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unidentified		Big Brother.
		Mainstream media.
		Government cover-ups.
		You want answers?
		Well, so does he.
		He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
		And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
		No, they're live with you again.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		It's not Alex Jones.
		Alex is off today.
		My name is Bob Dacey.
unidentified		I'm an associate of Mr. Jones.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		I write for Infowars.com every once in a while.
		I'm a native Austinite.
		I met Alex about, oh gosh, maybe 10 years ago, 11 years ago now.
		And it's kind of funny, the thing that woke me up about the New World Order and all that was one of the hot topic issues right now.
		Years ago I was just sitting at home watching television and I was bored and I started to do the old channel surfing thing and up pops this young punk named Alex Jones and he's talking about the United Nations and the National Park System and I thought he was a raving lunatic.
		However, he shifted gears and started talking about the true meaning of the Second Amendment.
		And so I was laughing at him and then I said, okay, I got to hear what he says about this.
		This is going to be funny.
		I know I have a, I'm in my business, which is a local hardware store here in town.
		I actually have a federal firearms license.
		I sell a few guns.
		And so he was going to talk about the meaning of the second amendment.
		So I was just laughing at the guy saying, okay, let's see what this nut ball says about second amendment.
		So then he proceeded, I think it was 22, 23 years old.
unidentified		He proceeded to, uh, Take it off perfectly.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		Everything about the Second Amendment.
		The facts, the history, the meaning, the context, original intent.
		Perfectly. Everything.
		So this got me in a quandary about why I could be such an idiot on the UN and completely write about the Second Amendment.
		So I checked into what he had to say and sure enough he was right about the other thing too.
		So that's what kind of got me started in this field.
		I have a Years ago, I stumbled into hosting a TV show called A Simple Truth and that show is in Austin on Channel 10. It's at 6 o'clock on Monday nights if you're in the Austin area on Time Warner Cable.
		If you're not in the Austin area, you can pick up the recordings of the show on a website that another volunteer put up.
		It's www.simpletruthonline.net.
		You've got to remember it's.net.
		Because everybody tries dot com.
		So it's www.simpletruthonline.net.
		You can see our shows that we do every week down at the local cable access studio in Austin, Texas.
		But anyway, we're talking about, you know, what's going on since, you know, I mean, what's been going on forever.
		This gun issue.
		And I know Alex has been talking about it quite a bit.
		And I want to talk about it a little bit, give you my take on it.
		I know that it's been a hot topic right now.
		I mean, you have a bill introduced recently to make FEMA camps all over the United States.
		That's great.
		And the thing I like about that bill is, you know, the one-liner.
		They always put a...
		It's always for the children, you know.
		It's always the so-and-so and such-and-such bill in order to save the children and make everyone's life happy and help the environment, comma, And for other purposes.
		That's the thing you've got to worry about, is the and for other purposes.
		And so, I want to give you kind of a history of some of the things these nutballs have proposed in the past.
		You know, I mean, one thing you can, I guess, positively say about Republicans is that most of them are not openly anti-gun.
		You know, most of your bubbas that are Republicans Or pro-Second Amendment, pro-individual right to keep and bear arms.
		And your classic Democrat isn't, but he wishes he was.
		But back when, before the Republicans held sway in the House and Senate, I mean, you should see some of the stuff that these nutcases have introduced into legislation.
		They're trying to get bills passed in the United States Congress And when we get back from the break, I'm going to take you to a trip down memory lane here from one of the most egregious things they ever tried to pull.
		This was a Senator Jack Reed, a Democrat from Rhode Island.
		So we'll be right back after the break.
		This is Bob Daisy for Alex Jones.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
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		From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
		It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		Okay, once again, this is Bob Dacey substituting for Alex Jones today, and just so you'll know what we're planning on doing today before I get back into my gun thing.
		We're planning on having Max Keiser on in the next hour.
		He's that economist forecaster dude.
		And then after that, Bob Chapman, who is the international forecaster, another economics guy.
		And from two to three, we are supposed to have Kurt Nemo live in studio riding shotgun with yours truly.
		And then actually, I think we're going to be playing a video in the last part of the show by, uh, My hip-hop artist by the name of KRS-One, something that they put together.
		So you want to stay tuned for that, and that way maybe I'll be able to survive this four hours, you know?
		Okay, now let's get back to this gun thing.
		There's nothing new about the craziness of the legislation that these globalists and control freaks want to get done.
		I have an article written, this was back in 2000, March 16, 2000, a fellow by the name of Stephan Archer writes this story.
		A senator proposes that the IRS register and tax your guns.
		If Senator Jack Reed, Democrat of Rhode Island, gets his way, the Internal Revenue Service will not only be the nation's tax collector, but its gun registrar.
		Reed's new bill, entitled the Handgun Safety and Registration Act of 2000, would quote, amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to require the registration of handguns, end quote.
		Handgun owners would also be forced to pay a $50 tax on all handguns they own.
		A $50 tax on the transfer of ownership of a handgun would also be implemented.
		Desmond Riley, spokesperson for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, you know, one of these gun-grabbing control freaks, says this.
		This is a regulation, and I think Americans tend to embrace regulation.
		It means people's lives will be saved, end quote, Riley said.
		You know, I mean, this is not, I don't think this is the current thing, but this shows you the mindset of these nutballs.
		I mean, I mean, you're sitting there figuring this out.
		You know, you're out there and you're thinking, well, let's see.
		What entity of the federal government scares the bejesus out of everybody more than any other entity?
		I think the answer to that question is the Internal Revenue Service.
		That makes people quake.
		Well, wouldn't it be a good idea to have a law passed to require The American people to register their evil guns with the Internal Revenue Service.
		Maybe that would scare them into doing it, right?
		I mean, if your argument by this guy back then, Desmond Riley, is that, oh, it's just a regulation and Americans love to follow regulations, you know, if that's true, then I think they should probably pass regulations against the possession of knives and buckets and swimming pools and high school football.
		You know?
		Why not?
		Why not?
		You know, if you're going to do that.
		Anyway, that bill, the reason I bring it up is because it illustrates the mindset of a bunch of nutballs.
		And that's what anti-gun people are, is nutballs.
		I have the bill itself here in front of me, and just looking at some of this transfer tax imposed on handguns, tax on making firearms, Imposed on handguns.
		You know, make them so expensive no one can afford them.
		Transition rule for non-registered handguns.
		You have to, you know, treatment of registration as a transfer.
		You see, can't you just see yourself, you know, sometime in the future, if the nutballs ever get something like this passed, you'd have your new 1040 form.
		And it says, oh, 1040, section D-7.
		New law requires you to pay a tax on all the guns you own.
		Here, write the make, model, serial number of every single gun you own on this form.
		Add up the number of guns you own.
		Multiply by 50 and send in the money, bub.
		Um, yeah.
		Uh-huh.
		I got a life-size picture of that.
		The Secretary of the Treasury shall make available such a registration and fingerprint forms as may be required by the public for compliance for such requirements oh my goodness you know again these people are a bunch of nuts and that's all that's all there is to it okay now let's see what else we got here the other day Alan Corwin who is the author of the gun laws books you know I know I sold one of them in my store the hardware
		store here in Austin Texas it's the Texas gun owners guide well he publishes gun owners guides for All the various states.
		And he's put out this letter to send to everybody you know.
		And let me just read from this.
		I have an outline of the Brady's current plans and targets of opportunity.
		It's horrific.
		They're going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers, and statutes in an all-out effort to restrict we the people.
		They've made little mention of criminals.
		Now, more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical.
		Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states' rights, free speech, right to assemble, and more.
		In addition to the Second Amendment, the Democrats' current gun ban list proposal, the final list will be worse, is as follows.
		Now, I'm not going to go through every one of these things, these guns that they want to ban.
		Now that they got the House, the Senate, and this globalist puppet, lackey Obama, as the President.
		Let's listen to some of these guns.
		The Ruger Mini-14.
		Oh, come on now.
		They want to ban the Ruger Mini-14?
		That's terrible.
	That's been around forever.
	You know, it's just like a combination between a You know, an M1 Garand and an M1A.
	I mean, you know, it's old, you know.
	What the heck?
	What do they want to ban that for?
unidentified		Because it's semi-automatic.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		When you pull the trigger, a bullet comes out.
		And then if you pull the trigger again, another bullet comes out.
unidentified		That is just unacceptable.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		And they want to, of course, ban the AR-15, which is a civilian version of the M16.
		We want to ban the Bushmaster XM-15, which is the same thing as an AR-15.
		We want to ban anything that says AK on it.
		Avtovat Kalashnikova.
		Any of those ugly guns.
		Which are actually, most of these ugly guns are, like the AK for example, the round that they shoot is less powerful than most hunting rifles.
		But the hunting rifles look more civilian looking.
		And the AKs look very, very vicious because commies like to carry them.
		So you can't have any AK-type guns in the United States.
		AK-47, AK-74, you name it.
		Let's see what else they got here.
		Oh, they have a catch-all category.
		The catch-all category.
		Uh, any semi-automatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.
		Ooh, now wait a minute.
		Let me think of one of those.
		A semi-automatic rifle with a fixed magazine.
		Well, I don't know.
		I don't think the Ruger 1022 has a fixed magazine, but I think they're after that one, too, because it's semi-automatic.
		And also, all you people with your Remington 1100s, you know, that ancient, old, semi-automatic shotgun.
unidentified		Mm-mm-mm.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		That's not a good thing.
		That's not a good thing.
		Now, here's some more.
		Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban all guns at will.
		Let me repeat that.
		Attorney General, this guy that Obama's appointing, hates guns.
		You know, communists don't like guns in the hands of other people.
		They don't like it.
		So let me read this.
		Again, this is Alan Corwin's letter.
		Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add, quote, Any semi-automatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General, end quote.
		Note that Obama's pick for this office, Eric Holder, confirmation hearing set for January the 15th, whatever, wrote a brief in the Heller case, supporting position that you have no right to have a working firearm In your home.
		Okay. So, get it straight.
		America. America.
		People who like the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, you know, freedom, liberty, all that stuff.
		The Attorney General wants to be able to ban whatever the heck he wants.
		At his whim.
		And he hates guns.
		So, do the math.
		Do the math.
		Um, and this part's funny.
		In making this determination, the bill says, quote, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use in the United States by the military or any federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.
		What? I think that was double-speak and double-talk.
		So in other words, if a rifle is used in a sporting event or a firearm, but the Attorney General determines that it's really not suitable for use in that sport, then he can ban it too.
		I'll give you an example about that.
		Years ago, I used to shoot a self-defense combat pistol sport called International Defensive Pistol Association, IDPA.
		And they used real-world handguns.
		For example, what the police use.
		The most common guns in these events were 1911s, the old 45s, various versions of them, and Glocks.
		And of course, most police in the United States carry Glocks.
		So according to this, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by Law enforcement is not particularly suitable for sporting.
		So what they'd be telling me is that gun that you shoot, your Glock that you shoot in your pistol competition, which is a sport, is not suitable for the sport that you shoot it in.
		Got it?
		I mean, we're talking crazy people here.
		And the bad news is, That the crazy people are the ones that are in control of the government.
		Now, that hasn't changed any.
		The flavor of it has changed.
		They used to go after the Second Amendment under the table, and now they're heading at it full bore.
		So when we get back, we'll continue with this.
		This is Bob Dacey for Alex Jones on the Alex Jones Show GCN Radio Network.
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bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		And I'm rolling on the gun control issue because it's a hot one right now.
		So let's continue on with our thoughts on that.
		A few quotes from some very famous people that were in the founding era.
		This is William Pitt.
		Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
		It is the argument of tyrants.
		It is the creed of slaves." Yeah, you know, we just got to get rid of the guns because we have to, because they're there and you can't have them and they're dangerous and you need to trust the government.
		You know, I mean, so, you know, but no, that's not the real case.
		They always are saying that.
		Every time, they always got some great excuse for their stupid laws.
		And of course, in the case of guns, it's because it's always to save the children.
		Which is a crock.
		I wonder how many Jewish children died in World War II because their parents didn't have any guns.
		Oh well, forget about that.
		That's ancient history.
		Here's another one.
		Patrick Henry.
		Ever heard of him?
		Guard with jealous attention the public liberty.
		Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel.
		Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it But downright force.
		Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.
		End quote.
		That's Patrick Henry.
		He's the founding father.
		He's a hero of the American experience.
		You ought to listen to him because if they take your guns away from you, well guess what?
		You will be a slave.
		And anybody that's out there listening that's in the military or law enforcement, you know that'll realize that's true.
		You know, you're supposed to protect and defend the Constitution, not whatever puppets up there in the White House right now who's violating the Constitution.
		Your job, your sacred duty, your sacred honor is to defend the Constitution of the United States of America, not the bozo giving you orders to do the exact opposite.
		I mean, that is serious.
		Your kids are going to have to live in this country, too.
		And your grandkids and everybody else.
		All you police and military out there, you need to wake up Read the Constitution.
		You know what's funny?
		The current Sheriff of Travis County, Greg Hamilton, when he was running for Sheriff, I got a chance to ask him a question live on TV when he was a candidate.
		And just the basic deal was I asked him if he was going to swear an oath to protect and defend the Constitution if he became Travis County Sheriff.
		And he said, Oh, absolutely!
		And I said, well, do you realize that the Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution?
		He said, oh, yeah, absolutely!
		And I said, well, do you agree that the Fourth Amendment, the one about the unreasonable search and seizure and having to get a warrant and going before a judge and doing your homework, you know, you gotta say what's gonna be seized and what's gonna be searched and all that, do you agree with that?
		Oh, yeah, Fourth Amendment, that's great!
		And then I ask him, well, if the feds come into town and they want your help to search my house, Without a warrant, are you going to help them?
unidentified		He said, sure, yeah, yeah.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		So here's the problem.
		Every, all you cops out there listening, all you police out there, whatever.
		The problem is, these, they're sitting there swearing an oath to defend, protect and defend a document that they've never read and they don't understand.
		Now there's the core problem.
		So the core solution there would be for all the police and the military to read the darn Constitution.
		Read it!
		You know, it was written in English for people who can understand English.
		You know, they tell you that it's so mysterious and so obscure that only nine old geezers up on the Supreme Court can fully understand it.
		And that's a total crock, too.
		Maybe I'll get into that later.
		But anyway, let's go back to a couple of quotes here.
		Here's a good one right here.
		This is one of my favorite ones because it's Thomas Jefferson.
		You know, this tells you how you should try to interpret the Constitution.
		Right here.
		Quote, On every question of construction of the Constitution, let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text or invented against it, conform to the probable one Yeah, just read it.
		It says what it says.
		It means what it means.
		If you go back and look at the history of the whole nine yards, Well run.
		You know, organized.
		And, uh, militia.
		Well, guess what that meant.
		That meant you.
		It means anybody capable of bearing arms.
		Continue with this after the break.
		Bob Daisy for Alex.
unidentified		We'll see you next time.
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bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'll tell you who's mistaken.
		It's these anti-gun nuts.
		That's who's mistaken.
		I want to talk about...
		I want to read another quote, and then we're going to get into some more of this gun stuff.
		And here's another quote.
		I like Patrick Henry a lot.
		You know, he was a...
		A fiery firebrand orator and I think that you know I don't want to you know I don't want to stroke Alex Jones's ego too much because he probably doesn't need that but Alex Jones is a modern-day Patrick Henry and so Patrick Henry was you know he was he was the guy that whipped them all up and that's what Alex does now.
		Here's another quote from Patrick Henry in regard to the Second Amendment or the right to keep and bear arms.
		Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense?" Well, apparently not, Mr. Henry.
		Apparently, you know, we need to be giving them all up to our glorious, imperious, new imperious leader, Barack Obama, the second coming of Christ.
		And, you know, he'll be able to beat our swords into plowshares and then we can plow for him.
		You know?
		Yeah, yeah, I have a I have a I want to read a quote from a letter that a particular gun Distributor sent to me.
		I'm gonna say who they are because it didn't really matter.
		This is a quote from Barack Hussein the usurper Obama Back when he was running for president.
		This was at a violence Policy Center fundraiser in 2000 this is Your current so-called titular puppet President of the United States.
		Quote, My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons ban as soon as I take office.
		Within 90 days, we will go back after kitchen table dealers and work to end the gun show and internet sales loopholes.
		In the first year, I intend to work with Congress on a national no-carry law One gun a month purchase limits and bans on all semi-automatic guns.
		End quote.
		And so then the author of this letter says, Mr. Obama, will you really spend trillions on bailouts to create and protect jobs while destroying millions of American jobs in the firearms, hunting, gunsmithing, sporting, reloading, services, supplies, distribution, retail, and manufacturing business?
		apparently yes wow so you're talking about here here you go he wants to he wants to uh...
		get rid of this gun show loophole you know i remember years ago in two thousand one i'll tell you a little personal story here in two thousand one in march here in texas they had this deal where they were gonna pass a bill to in the gun show loophole now what the gun show loophole is is where you can buy Or sell a gun at a gun show if you're not a dealer to another individual without them having to go through a background check.
		The bill basically proposed that what you could legally do in the parking lot outside the building, you couldn't legally do inside the building.
		It's preposterous.
		But anyway, there was a big hearing down at the State Capitol here in Austin.
		I went down there, covered it for my TV show, The Simple Truth.
		I was sitting in there watching this farce of a meeting.
		The main thing I remember is, I was the very first person there to show up.
		Literally, the very first person.
		And you could sign up to speak.
		And so I signed up to speak, but there was a problem.
		You had to indicate whether you were for or against the bill.
		So I said, do I have to put that down?
		Yeah, you gotta put that down.
		So I said I was against the gun show loophole bill.
		So what they did was, even though our side outnumbered the gun grabbers by about 20 to 1, I'd say, they put the gun grabbers on top of the stack and the pro-Second Amendment people on the bottom of the stack to make it look like everybody was for the bill.
		It was a farce.
		And the other thing I remember is you had two of these so-called gang members from Houston came up to quote-unquote testify.
		I'm sitting there a few feet away from it, and they're sitting there just spewing lies to this committee, this house committee at the state capitol.
		One of the guys says, yeah man, we go into gun shows, man, we bring cash, we go in there, we bring out sacks of guns at wholesale prices, no questions asked.
		You know, I'm listening to these lies, and I just can't believe it.
		And then, Shortly thereafter, Alex comes running into the room, taps me on the shoulder, and says, Bob, get your camera out here right now, there's something going on in the hall.
		And so, I got up, went out there, and the head of this anti-gun group in Houston, this old man by the name of Dave Smith, was paying off these guys that were lying to the committee with cash money right outside the committee room.
		Literally. And somebody else caught some of it on videotape.
		And Alex went over there and talked to the guys, you know, and one of them said, oh, this cash, oh, this is just a stipend for volunteering.
		I mean, what a, I mean, these people, look, the anti-gunners are, they operate a lot like the communists do.
		Anything goes to get what you want.
		They lie, they chill, they work.
		They steal, they cheat, anything, anything to get their way.
		They don't care.
		The main thing you have to learn when you're dealing with anti-gunners is you can't compromise with them.
		You cannot compromise with them because they're just a bunch of liars.
		That same year, a really neat thing happened.
		You talk about the ability of just one or two people to make a big difference in an issue.
		Uh, the Million Mom March people were really crazy back then.
		They were having their little rallies all over the place and they were, It's time to save the children.
unidentified		Oh, please save the children.
unidentified		If it just saves one child, please, please.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		You know, these people, these shrill fools.
		Well, anyway, um, a, someone, I don't remember who it was, a man, I think it was a man and a woman, decided to find the Million Mom March headquarters back then.
		And so they noticed it was, um, They saw the address on the website was at some place in San Francisco.
		So they went to the address and they couldn't find it.
		Turns out the address was a hospital, a city-owned hospital.
		They were trying to find this place and they noticed that the elevator wouldn't stop on one of the floors.
		So what did they do?
		They hitched a ride with the delivery man who knew how to stop the elevator at this particular floor.
		And lo and behold, there's the Million Mom March National Headquarters.
		Occupying, you know, maybe five, six thousand square feet on a city-owned, government-owned building, a political advocacy group, rent-free.
		Well, guess what happened?
		When these people found the Million Mommy March headquarters, they had to evict them because they were violating the law by being there.
		You know, that's what I'm talking about.
		You know, these people, the anti-gunners, cannot be trusted.
		They cannot be compromised with.
		And, you know, they're all a bunch of totalitarian control freaks.
		You know, which brings me a little bit to this current thing, HR 45, to provide for the implementation of a system of licensing for purchasers of certain firearms and for a records of sale system for those firearms and for other purposes.
		Oh, you gotta watch out when they say it's for other purposes, too.
		Look out.
		This is a summary I'm looking from the Thomas Government Document Locator.
		Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record Act of 2009 amends the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to prohibit a person from possessing a firearm unless that person has been issued a firearm license under this act or a state system certified under this act and such license has not been invalidated or revoked.
		I'm talking about a federal record of sale system.
		This thing is horrible.
		Absolutely horrible.
		And it all, it's kind of funny, you think that after the so-called Heller decision, which took place last year, where the Supreme Court finally came out and theoretically told you that there is an individual right to keep and bear arms, you would think that they'd get the message, but they don't.
		And, you know, when the Heller decision came about, I was kind of...
		I read the whole thing, and there's a lot of good stuff in there, and there's a lot of bad stuff in there.
		And, of course, the bad stuff always overrides the good.
		Back then, William Norman Grigg, who was formerly a senior editor of the New American Magazine, penned an article called the Heller Misdirection.
		In other words, the decision sounded good for the Second Amendment.
		It was advertised as good for the Second Amendment.
		The mainstream press begrudgingly said it was good for the Second Amendment.
		But if you looked at the fine print, well, wait just a minute.
		So I'm going to read some of this article by William Norman Grigg.
		Like the inhabitants of other formerly free societies, Americans are content to define freedom in terms of those liberties we are permitted to exercise.
		Yesterday's Supreme Court ruling in District of Columbia v.
		Heller is perfectly in harmony with this self-defeating concept of freedom.
		Scalia, who was the guy who wrote the main opinion, Scalia allows that the Second Amendment acknowledges and protects an individual right to armed self-defense.
		He then explicitly limits the extent to which that right can be exercised, thereby redefining it as a state-conferred privilege.
		We can't really expect a statist creature like Antonin Scalia to embrace the view that the right to keep and bear arms includes the right of citizens, acting either individually or collectively, to kill agents of the state when such action is necessarily and morally justified.
		Any other view of the Second Amendment is worse than useless.
		This is certainly true of the view that emerges in Scalia's Heller opinion.
		He asserts, quote, like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited.
		It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever for whatever purpose.
		Miller's holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those in common use at the time and supports the historical tradition of prohibiting and carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.
		Well, back to me now, Bob Dacey.
		We're talking about, okay, so the government's going to say, well, that weapon of yours is too dangerous, or that weapon of yours is very unusual, and you can't carry that one.
		And back to you, Mr. Grigg.
		When a government grants a liberty and then restricts the manner in which it can be used, the result is not a right, but a limited conditional license.
		Scalia's passage cited above will inevitably be seen as a license from the court for legislative bodies to enact or fortify laws against dangerous and unusual weapons, such as the scary-looking guns ritually denounced as assault weapons, for example, and other even more troubling portions of his opinion will abet further restrictions on the purposes for which firearms can be used.
		Wow, you'd think Mr. William Norman Gregg must know something about it.
		He'd have a crystal ball or something here because that's exactly what they're doing now.
		Here you have the Democrats in control of the House, the Democrats in control of the Senate, New World Order flunky in control of the White House.
		Wasn't it ever thus?
		And, you know, they're openly now attacking the Second Amendment.
		Very shortly after the Hellerger decision, supposedly said they need to leave it alone.
		William Norman Gregg, right again.
		Wow. How about that?
		Okay. Now, I want to go back in history.
		Another history lesson.
		It's very important.
		You know, you got to understand the history of what's been going on in order to understand what's going on now.
		I have an article in front of me by Aaron Zellman of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, the GCA 68, that stands for Gun Control Act of 68, what your politician never told you.
		Why would a U.S. Senator in 1968 be vitally interested in the structure and contents of a Nazi law of 1938?
	We cannot ask the late Senator Thomas J. Dodd personally, but we can look at the facts.
	Thomas Dodd served as a senior member of the team of U.S. prosecutors at the Nuremberg trials of the Nazi war criminals in 1945 to 46. In that position, Dodd had access and doubtless reviewed Nazi laws.
	Something about the Nazi laws must have intrigued Dodd.
	As a senator from Connecticut, Dodd chaired the committee hearings on bills, quote, to require the registration of firearms, end quote, and to build a national firearms owner database.
	Many of the Nazi Germany's social and engineering schemes, including its civilian disarming and murdering programs, rested on a national citizen registration and tracking.
	Is this what Senator Dodd had learned from the Nazis?
	As it happened, Senator Dodd owned personally a copy of the Nazi weapons law of 1938.
	Before the Gun Control Act of 1968 was enacted, Senator Dodd asked the Library of Congress To translate Dodd's own copy of that law.
	Do you understand this?
	Look, Senator Dodd sent the Nazi Gun Control Act of 1938 to the Library of Congress and asked them to translate it into English.
	This is the basis of our law.
	It's not radical to think that they would have done that.
	Actually, it only makes sense if you think about it.
	You're sitting there trying to enact a gun control law, and you think, well, gee, who really knew how to do it?
	Oh, Adolph!
	Uncle Adolph knew how to do it.
	So let's see.
	Translate this thing into English, and we'll use that as the basis for the Gun Control Act of 68. And that's exactly what they did.
	So, you know, all you people out there that have some bizarre notion that if you just take the guns away from all of the innocent people and all the peaceful citizens, that all of a sudden everything's going to be rosy and the government's going to have the guns and everything's going to be wonderful.
	You people need to, like, you know, get a life or something or maybe check a book out on reality because that's not the reality.
	The reality is that, you know, it's the golden rule, you know.
	He who has the guns makes the rules.
	And when the people of the United States have the guns, we're in charge.
	When the government, in whatever flavor or entity you want to say, when they've got the guns and we don't, we are slobbering slaves.
	I don't understand how some people can't see this.
	I know they get in their little box and they see some accident with a gun and they say, If it just saves one child, if it just saves one child, we need to get rid of all of them.
	And again, I'm sorry, that's not the big picture.
	The big picture is when they get rid of your guns, they get rid of you!
	Alright. We'll be back in a few minutes.
	We're going to catch up on more of this stuff.
	This is Bob Dacey for Alex Jones on GCN Radio Network.
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bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		They don't want your CSU Okay, this is Bob Dacey back for Alex Jones on the Alex Jones Show GCN Radio Network.
		Substituting today for about the 13th or 14th time.
		I really enjoy doing this.
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bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		Okay, before I get back with the gun thing, I want to plug something.
		You know, one of the products that Alex advertises on this show is the Ecolo Blue Model 28, which is a water-making device.
		It takes water out of the air, filters it, and then, hey, guess what?
		You drink it.
		I just want you to let you know, I have one of those things, and I think the thing is really neat.
		I, you know, I'm not going to plug it the way he plugs it.
		I'll plug it the way I plug it.
		The thing, what it is, is a little water treatment plant that you have in your own house.
		And, you know, it's very smart.
		It sits there and it makes water.
		It transfers it from one thing to another.
		It stirs the water sometimes.
		It recycles it.
		It heats it if you want it.
		It cools it down if you want it.
		It tells you what it's doing.
		It shuts off when it doesn't need to make any more.
		And the higher the humidity is in the area, the more water it makes.
		And so, you know, go to ecoloblue.com and check out their website.
		Well, I think that thing is the neatest thing since sliced toast.
		And I'm the first on my block to have one.
		So there, how about that?
		Also, while we're talking about, you know, oh by the way, the reason I like the thing is because I know the water that comes out of it doesn't have any chlorine in it, it doesn't have any crud in it, and it doesn't have any fluoride in it.
		There you go, that's why.
		That's why I've got one.
		You know, so, you control your own water supply.
		You maintain that thing, it'll maintain you.
		That's it.
		Okay, also, The other thing you need other than water is food.
		And I want to talk about eFoodsDirect.com.
		They're one of the advertisers on this show, one of the supporters of this show.
		By supporting them, you support the Alex Jones Show.
		And, you know, it's not a bad idea to have some food.
		You know, look what happened to Katrina and all that.
		You know, you don't want to be standing around waiting for FEMA to give you something.
		You don't want that, I'll guarantee you.
		You know, if things get bad or whatever.
		I view the whole thing as an insurance policy.
		You know, if you don't, you can buy it, you can store it, you can eat it, fine, whatever.
		If you don't want to, you don't have to, but if you need it, you know, why not?
		Why not?
		So go to eFoodsDirect.com and check out what they have to offer.
		It makes a lot of sense to me.
		Okay. I'm not used to doing commercial plugs because my TV show The Simple Truth here in Austin is all non-commercial and you can't do that on cable access TV.
		But hey, this is the big time, so there you go.
		Okay, now I was talking about the fact that the Gun Control Act of 1968 was derived from the Nazi gun laws of 1938.
		I'm going to read to you the letter The cover letter from the Library of Congress that was sent to Thomas Dodd when they returned his Nazi gun control act to him translated into English.
		Library of Congress, Washington, D.C., July 12, 1968.
		Honorable Thomas J. Dodd, Chairman, Special Subcommittee to Investigate Juvenile Delinquency, U.S.
		Senate, Washington, D.C.
		Dear Senator Dodd, your request of July 2nd.
		prepared by Dr. William Soyum Fikete of that division, as well as a Xerox copy of the original German text which you supplied.
		There you have it, ladies and gentlemen.
		figure it out.
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		You want answers?
		Well, so does he.
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		And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		No, live from Austin, Texas, this is Bob Basie substituting for Alex Jones here on the 30th day of January 2009.
		Uh, for the last hour, I have been harping on the Second Amendment and the assault that's been going on on the Second Amendment.
		And I guess, uh, it's just gonna continue to go on.
		I, um, the thing to do, this is it right here.
		This is what you need to do.
		Number one, any law that is repugnant to the Constitution is null and void.
		Therefore, any of these gun control things that tell you to turn in your guns or whatever they're going to concoct, well, just ignore them because, you know, when you turn in your guns, you've had it.
		That's it.
		It's over.
		So don't turn in your guns.
		You know, even if half the American people are Gonna be classified as criminals.
		Well, the government that attacks the Second Amendment, by definition, is criminal.
		So, if you're a criminal to a criminal, that's two bad things.
		That means it's a good thing.
		Two negatives makes a positive.
		Therefore, you're not a criminal.
		Also, too, the other thing that's extremely important, and I mean this is so important, military and police out there, Jack McClam always says that when tyranny comes, it comes wearing a uniform.
unidentified		It's up to you guys To do nothing.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		You know, read the Constitution, read the oath that you swore to protect and defend it, read the Second Amendment, and just refuse.
		Just sit on your hands.
		Do nothing.
		You know, if some bozo up in some ivory tower tells you to go out and collect firearms in the neighborhood like a trick-or-treater, just don't do it.
		Or fake like you're doing it and come back empty.
		I don't care.
		What? Just don't do it.
		You know, you'll be helping to save your country.
		And, you know, isn't that the point?
		Isn't that the point?
		So, anyway, that's what you need to do.
		Massive, massive, Gandhi-esque, civil disobedience.
		That's the key.
		And again, both Officials, police, military, and regular Joe's, regular Bubba's, regular whatever.
		Just don't cooperate.
		Just don't cooperate with them.
		You know?
		I mean, I cannot imagine an American who would get an IRS form and start filling out the serial number of his guns.
		And they're here, I got this many guns, I got me a...
		I got me a Ruger Mini-14.
		Oh, well, that's illegal.
		I'm gonna put that one down there.
		Oh, I got an AK.
		No, can't put it down there.
		Well, I got a Ruger 10-20.
		No, I can't put that down there.
		Well, it's...
		I got a revolver!
		Wait, I got a flintlock.
		I'll put that one down there.
		Flintlock. Yeah, if Barack Hussein Obama, the usurper, has his way, they're going to rewrite the Second Amendment.
		They're gonna say, the right of the people to keep and bear flintlocks shall not be infringed.
		That's what they're going to do.
		That's going to be the operative thing.
		They're going to strictly interpret, and they're going to say, look, the only thing they had back then was flintlocks.
		And therefore, the Founding Fathers meant that if there was any technological advantage, that was included.
		You know, like if guns get better, well, your guns can't get better.
		You know?
		The problem is the Supreme Court decision, U.S. v.
		Miller, kind of makes that kind of hard to do because the Miller decision said that the constitutionally protected guns are the ones that are of the type that the military uses and of the type in common use at the time.
		And there's another little inconvenient fact that comes up, and that is that back during the time of the Revolutionary War, The civilians actually had better guns than the military.
		The military had those Brown Best muskets, smoothbore, and the civilians, a lot of them had rifles.
		So that screws up that argument, too.
		When we get back, we have Max Kaiser coming up, and we're going to talk financial stuff with him.
		I'm going to try to do my best.
		I'm a small business man.
		I hope I can talk with this guy.
		Back after the break, Bob Daisy for Alex Jones.
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bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		Music Recovery plan now at $825 billion.
		And then later on they had another article in the local paper that said, oh, they passed an $819 billion bailout, and looks like this particular bailout is more flavored to giving stuff away to not the bankers.
		You know, some of it.
		It's like they're going to give away school district stuff, modernization, infrastructure, bribes to the individual people, tuition tax credits and stuff.
		This is getting a little over my head.
		So what we're going to do, we're going to bring on Max Kaiser, who is one of these financial guru guys.
		And Max, are you there?
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		Hey Bob, how's it going?
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, man.
		I'm kind of vaguely familiar with some of this stuff.
		I'm a small businessman, and in small business, you don't get squat from nobody.
		So I want to ask you a bunch of questions, I guess.
		First off, tell the people who you are again and kind of familiarize them with what you do, please.
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, Bob, I feel, due to luck of the draw, I get to be on the show with you today.
		And that Alex Jones character, that guy's crazy.
		Why is he?
		Thank goodness.
		guy, Alex, is crazy.
		I'm on Bob Dacey.
		Thank God.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		Well, how do you know I'm not crazy?
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		I've been listening to the show.
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		I've listened to all 14 times you were on before, Bob.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
		Well, gosh, I have a fan.
		That makes two.
		That's good.
		No, I'm, you know, that's funny.
		We're Classified, you know, I'm classified kind of jokingly.
		I'm a crazy right-wing extremist, wacko, conspiracy theorist.
		And the problem is I'm not crazy right- and left-wingers, a bunch of nonsense.
		Extremist, well, you know, if you believe in the Constitution, you're an extremist.
		Wacko, I don't really think so.
		I think I'm pretty logical, pretty cool-headed.
		And conspiracy, yeah, there's definitely conspiracy out there.
		But theorist, no, it's not a theory, it's a fact.
		But I appreciate the compliment there, but once again, tell people about what you do, because that's what you're supposed to do when you introduce a guest.
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
		First of all, my main site is MaxKaiser.com, that's K-E-I-S-E-R, MaxKaiser.com.
		Myself and Stacy, we track the financial collapse and all the financial shenanigans on that site.
		Before that, we were making films for Al Jazeera English on markets and finance, covering all that's been going on in the last few years.
		We predicted, for example, we were in Iceland a year before the economy collapsed.
		We made a film about that collapse, spoke to the bankers up there, said, your economy is going to collapse.
		A year later, it collapsed.
		We talked about the real estate collapse, the U.S., the U.K. pound collapsing, banks in the U.K. collapsing.
		We talked about all that stuff.
		We talked about a new Great Depression coming based on the SEC's failure and the re-emergence of rigged markets that we saw back in the late 20s and 30s.
		Before that, I was in Los Angeles.
		I created something called the Hollywood Stock Exchange.
		I basically created the idea of trading box offers futures contracts.
		Which now there's a company called Cantor Exchange, which is part of Cantor Fitzgerald.
		They bought the Hollywood Stock Exchange.
		They're now launching box office features contracts.
		So I kind of invented that whole concept.
		Before that, I was a stockbroker on Wall Street.
		And I guess what I'm kind of specializing in these days is looking at the technology that runs markets, picking up on when markets are manipulated.
		When markets, you can make predictions on which way prices are going if you kind of understand how markets are being manipulated.
		And I just did an interview with Joseph Stiglitz on his way to Davos a couple of days ago.
		He was talking about the fact that all markets are, in fact, manipulated.
		And ever since markets got off, in the U.S., in 1971, the U.S. tied the last The last tie that they had with the gold standard, and we went on to a purely fiat currency system, meaning that none of the currencies had any intrinsic value.
		They weren't convertible into something like gold.
		The currency was then just a piece of paper that was backed by the full faith and credit of the government.
		global economy and the U.S.
		economy has been based on these fiat currencies, which are basically, to put it in economic terms, fungible.
		In other words, you can play a lot of games with fiat currencies, and we've seen since that time The savings and loan crisis, the 1987 stock market crash, long-term capital management explosion, the dot-com bust, and then more recently the real estate bust, and now the Wall Street banking bust.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's really good.
		That brings up a question.
		I'm trying to think of an intelligent question to ask you, because you're in a field that's like way beyond my meager small businessman abilities, but I'm listening to what you say, and I'm thinking, well, if the markets are rigged, if they're controlled, if they're manipulated all the time, how does the little guy make an honest buck trying to invest when he's playing against a stacked deck that he's got no control over?
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		You know, you have to know, you know, you sit down at a poker table, you have to know who you're playing with.
		You know, and the old saying is, if you don't know who the chump is, you're the chump.
		So there's, you know, there's ways to, there's ways to invest, there's ways to make money, but I think you need to go in there with your head held high and you have to go in there understanding that the markets are inherently flawed and that there are, they're grossly rigged.
		Uh, and they've gotten to a level just before, let's say 18 months ago, when this current crisis started, to extremes, historical streams of market rigging.
		And just to give you an idea, I mean, so yeah, the two questions you're asking, you're saying, well, how does a small businessman make money or survive in this type of market?
		I think that currently, you have to be defensive, you know, put the defense on the field, take the offense off, put the defense on.
		And the way you put the defense on the field is by getting liquid, paying down all your debts, no credit card debts, and starting to accumulate some precious metals.
		And there's different ways to accumulate precious metals.
		You can own the gold bullion outright.
		I know there's links to different things on MaxKaiser.com.
		We try to link to different ways you can own gold bullion, silver bullion, which is a purely defensive measure.
		It might not make you necessarily rich, but At least your purchasing power for your gold and silver during the period that we're in now is maintained.
		So that's, as I said, that's the idea.
		Play defense.
		Don't try to over-finesse it.
		Even the smartest guys on Wall Street, Bob, as we've seen, some of the smartest people so-called on Wall Street have gotten absolutely hammered in the last couple of years because the game has gotten so rigged and so outrageous That even experienced people in the markets are getting completely blown up.
		So that's my first comment.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		In terms of gold investing, the markets are so screwed up and they're so controlled and there's so many financial shenanigans going on.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		Do you trust paper gold?
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a good question.
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		It's a really good question.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you call up your broker and say, "Oh, I'm going to buy gold." Well, buy me some of this, and you've got an entry on a piece of paper that says you bought it.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		I mean, do you trust that?
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		That's a really good question, Bob.
		And when I was on Alex's show back in November, okay, just to full disclosure here, I mentioned that the paper market in December on the COMEX, that there was looking like there could be a run on the COMEX, and we would see a market failure.
		Based on what I, at that time, thought was going to be physical demand from the big, big players, particularly in Canada, and didn't materialize.
		The price of gold has gone up, mind you.
		So nobody, if they had followed that idea and bought gold, they would be making a very handsome rate of return.
		So I don't feel as though that was the wrong thing to say in terms of maintaining a good portfolio.
		But in fact, it wasn't.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		Was your timing just off?
unidentified		In other words, could it still happen?
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		The COMEX is a market that, like also the NYMEX, which is the sister market, the paper market in New York, where they trade oil, oil futures.
		These markets, like all markets, are really captured by, they're captured markets by the biggest banks and the regulators who are in bed with these guys, because it's a way for policy, economic policy is being conducted by establishing prices that will, in effect, make the policies happen.
		So it's a complete reversal of what you'd expect, where somebody would make a policy and then you'd see how the prices react.
		Instead, what we're seeing is that the people who make policies first pick a price that they want to see, they manipulate the markets to that price, and then they know that the policies will, and the effects will happen.
		is called goldmoney.com, who I know, James Turk, very well.
		Again, full disclosure, I know James Turk, and I on occasion do business with them.
		But I can vouch for their service.
		And the physical gold, they hold the gold for you.
		You're getting the gold at the paper price, which is at a discount to the physical price.
		So you're actually kind of playing with the big boys, so to speak.
		And again, maxkaiser.com.
		You would find links to this type of stuff.
		But anyway, so yes, the paper gold market is obviously to be avoided.
		But go ahead.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. Another thing, I was kind of doing a little bit of research on you last night because I didn't want to be a complete idiot while I'm talking to you.
		You know, had to do a little bit of homework.
		I noticed that back, I guess it was in the middle of last year, you had been talking about the direction of the price of oil.
		And when we get back from the break, I want to ask my question having to do with the manipulation of the oil market.
		So once again, when we get back from the break, this is Bob Dacey substituting for Alex Jones on the Alex Jones Show, GCN Radio Network, back in a few.
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bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		And before the break, I was getting ready to ask him a question about the price of oil.
		And here's the question.
		Back then, most people, back in say July or whatever of last year, were saying, OK, oil's about $140 a barrel, and it's probably going to go to $175 or even $200.
		And then something happened.
		Interesting to note that Lindsey Williams made an announcement that he'd been talking to his elitist buddies in the oil business and they said they were fixing to manipulate the price of oil down to around $50 within the year and it just didn't make any sense that that would happen and yet that's exactly what happened.
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		Do you, Mr. Kaiser, do you agree that just a complete Well, I'm familiar with Lindsey Williams' call and he made a good call, but I kind of disagree with some of his work because Mr. Williams is not a believer at all in this theory of peak oil or this idea of peak oil.
		I've done a lot of work on peak oil, and I'm in the camp that supports the idea of peak oil.
		But certainly, over the past six months, Lindsey Williams' call has been prescient and looks good.
		Now, let's talk about oil price manipulation for a second, because here we do have common ground.
		As I said before, you've got the My next which is the sister futures trading floor to the Comex in New York.
		It's probably the biggest Exchange where oil is traded.
		There's a huge incentive and you've got a kind of look at you know That old song the hip bones connected to the to the leg bone the leg bones connected to the foot bone.
		Remember that old song Bob?
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I remember them Okay.
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		Well the oil market is connected to the dollar market and the dollar markets connected to the gold market and if you understand that The one thing that the banking elite does not want, it's a higher gold price, then they fight like the dickens to keep the gold price as cheap as it possibly can.
		And they do that by employing such things as naked short selling on these various exchanges, which means selling stuff that doesn't even exist.
		So it's even beyond the normal short selling, which is just selling stuff that you hope to buy back later.
		They're selling stuff that doesn't even exist.
		That's called naked short selling.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		Are you saying they dropped the gold price in order to, I mean, dropped the oil price in order to suppress the gold price and it didn't work?
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying you dropped the gold price, basically, to give support to the dollar.
		And as you get support to the dollar, there was this huge outflow out of the trade, the anti-dollar trade.
		There was this huge anti-dollar trade at that time, which included going long commodities like oil and gold.
		The dollar was trading at historic lows.
		Gold was flirting at around $1,000.
		Oil, as you pointed out, was in the $140, $147.
		And so this was giving a tremendous fright to especially the banking community because people are starting to talk about maybe getting rid of the dollar as the world reserve currency.
		And having the dollar as the world reserve currency gives the U.S. banks the privilege of printing dollars for the world And for every dollar they print, they get a commission, effectively.
		It's called seniorage.
		So they get a commission.
		You know, the world runs on dollars at the moment.
		And the U.S. prints dollars, they get like a commission.
		They get a commission to print all these dollars.
		If gold and commodities are running higher, then countries start to think, well, maybe we should do something other than the dollar.
		Right before shock and awe, right before the U.S.
		invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussein was saying, you know, we're going to start trading our oil in euros.
		Within six months, he had shock and awe.
		In Iran, you've got the leaders in Iran saying, maybe we should trade our oil in euros.
		You've got huge tension in the previous administration with Iran.
		So the dollar franchise, which has been in place since the end of World War II, is an incredibly lucrative franchise for U.S.
		banks. So when gold and oil and these commodities started to challenge that, they come in in a very coordinated way.
		The banks are working very closely with people in the Treasury and the Federal Reserve to do what they have to do to drive the price of these commodities down, including oil and gold.
		And this gives support to the dollar.
		We've had this dollar rally since that time, which has been not as robust recently as it was maybe a few months ago.
		But the answer to your question is, is the price of oil manipulated?
		No, I don't agree with that, but I do agree with Lindsey that, uh, Mr. Williams, that, uh, you do have, uh, manipulation in the future market.
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		We'll be back after the break.
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bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		You know, Alex has the coolest music.
		I don't know, it's amazing.
		He gets all the good music.
		You know, if I was to ever do a show, I'd probably have to find me some new music or something that's not his, because he gets all the good stuff, you know?
		Matter of fact, he reaches into era music from my era, you know?
		He plays Heart, you know, ZZ Top, You know, uh, what else?
		Uh, Led Zeppelin.
		I mean, he gets all the good stuff.
		You know, he ought to stay in his own genre of younger people, you know, but he's...
		Anyway, we're back on the Alex Jones Show.
		This is Bob Dacey.
		I'm talking with Max Keiser about things financial, and I'm probably in over my head on this.
		But, um, we were talking about manipulation of the oil market and the gold market and all that.
		I just wonder, you know, this driving down of the price, Mr. Keiser, Was so radical.
		I mean, in order to accomplish what they wanted, did they really have to plunge a stake in the heart of the price of oil?
		Why did it drop so far?
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, think about the benefit.
		It completely has nearly bankrupted Russia.
		And remember, Russia was very active in the region.
		America had a relationship with the Ukraine.
		And then Russia started to get very militaristic.
		I'm Yeah,
		you know, total control and their coffers are being filled as the price of oil is going higher as was Venezuela as was the Mideast.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		but the thing with the Georgia thing was the Georgian army was trained by the Americans and the Israelis and they provoked them.
		I think from the world view, the Russian response was predictable.
		Cross into some stuff and beat up on a bunch of Russians and kill a bunch of civilians.
		We're going to come across the border and kick your high knee in.
		I mean, that wasn't, that seemed like they were manipulated into being materialistic, don't you think?
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		Uh, well, I think the European view, you know, I'm calling you from Paris and, uh, the European view is, uh, slightly different that, uh, in fact, the, um, the antagonism went the other way initially, but the, The bottom line is that there's a huge incentive to drop the price of oil to defang those ambitions because now Russia's on its back foot trying to deal with a collapse in energy prices.
		obviously in venezuela venezuela is now uh...
		pulling back from its initiatives to flood uh...
		cheap oil into the u_s_ remember they're trying to get some goodwill doing uh...
		some oil exportation that way to into new york The Mideast, you know, they're now obviously having to suffer along with this collapse in the price of oil.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		Well, according to Lindsay Williams, that was one of the principal reasons to collapse the price of oil.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		The elites were going to do it to punish the Arab world because that's the only thing they got to sell.
unidentified		Well, I mean, that's a benefit for sure.
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		that that certainly i think that during during the bush administration You know, you have this incredible run-up in the price of oil, and the oil companies made huge profits, but at the same time, you can't do that without empowering Mideast, Venezuela, Russia, and it came to a point where they're like, look, we can't keep running the price of oil on the upside, because remember, it was manipulated on the upside as well.
		We can't keep doing that, and although Exxon and Chevron, these companies are making huge profits, at some point, you know, there's a Cost benefit analysis that needs to be done.
		We're giving too much money to these guys in these other regions, so we've got to throttle things back.
		So I'm sure a conversation was had with the major oil companies in the U.S. who said, okay, thank you very much for our multi-billion dollar quarters, highest recorded profits in the history of commerce in the history of the world.
unidentified		We'll take our money, and okay, new administration, we'll go from there.
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		Is it the prices should be floating based on supply and demand But they're not you know, they're not the prices don't bet are not based on supply and demand in the oil market Although that should change as you start to run into What's called supply collapse,
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		which I'm not in in agreement with with mr. Mr. Lindsay on and you don't see price discovery in a fair way either in the financial markets because Thank you.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		There's a question that brings up to me, and I'm going to sit here and openly disagree with you on this peak oil thing, because it'll be fun, you know?
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		Okay, okay.
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		Let's get into the peak oil thing.
unidentified		Okay, here we go, Bob.
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		Getting into the peak oil.
unidentified		All righty.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
		Here we go.
		Let me just throw out a few plebeian opinions on this issue.
		You know, I know Lindsey Williams, and I trust the guy.
		and to the various i read his book of the energy non-crosses which he wrote many years ago and you know by my ways what he's saying in the engine on crosses is that he was physically up there at gull island in alaska when the atlantic richfield proved this monstrous find up there it was they said that they you know do do do whatever techniques they use their proving their well capping pressure testing or whatever i'm not into that that they had this decided that what's underneath them is so huge that it
		It's probably as big as anything in Saudi Arabia.
		And they were all having a good old time celebrating up there.
		And then the federal government came in and told them a few days later, cap those wells, pull up the stuff, and get the heck out of here and shut your mouth.
		And basically, this book is about the fact that it kind of agrees with what you're saying.
		Everything's manipulated.
		And I wonder, in the peak oil thing, These people manipulate the price, they manipulate everything, and there's no free market out there anymore.
		It's all just playing games.
		Isn't it the same people that are providing you with the information that Peak Oil is real?
		Isn't it the same people that are feeding you what you believe?
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, I made a film on this.
		I traveled to the Mideast and talked to people, and the fact is that the biggest fields in the world Uh, whether it's Mexico or Saudi Arabia are in decline.
		They are putting out less oil, uh, less and less every year.
		The global output of oil year on year, uh, for the year we just reported is dropped something like seven to 9% supply destruction.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		Don't they manipulate that too?
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		You know, can't they make it?
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		In the case of financial markets, The case for manipulation is one that is easier to make because you've got this fiat currency world, you've got notational values being exchanged between banks where they just create a, they say here's a credit default swap and it's priced at X, Y, and Z and it's just pulled out of a hat really.
		In the case of oil, because it is a physical commodity, you can look at actual physical evidence and geological evidence and you can actually make a fairly strong Yeah.
		what's going on in these fields, the amount of oil coming out at the end of the day is dropping.
		The amount of water being pushed in there to push the oil out, there's been no major discovery.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		That's the rub right there.
		You're talking about plunging your soda straw into some soda, and all of a sudden you're hearing that noise instead of getting good Coca-Cola out of there.
		I'm talking about other Coca-Colas.
		I'm talking about if it is true that there are discoveries which they have suppressed and are refusing to allow us to gut after, then you're going to create an artificial peak oil shortage, aren't you?
		And that way you can keep the price up and you can tell the people that they need to drive electric cars and stop driving their muscle cars and all that other stuff.
		It seems like you can create the illusion of peak oil if you suppress oil fines.
		They won't let people develop them.
unidentified		You could.
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		And ultimately, we're going to find out, because at the rate of the depletion of oil is now hitting really a very steep downward curve.
		And the peak oil theory, in the peak oil camp, which I'm involved with, we'll know in the next 12 to 18 to 24 months definitively whether or not Uh, our camp is really in the right camp.
		But, I mean, what you're saying is true.
		There's an incentive to manipulate in the way that you're suggesting, for sure.
		There's an incentive to do that, as there's an incentive to manipulate any market at any time by profiteers looking to manipulate intelligence, looking to manipulate prices, looking to manipulate data, politics, propaganda.
		This is a scourge of modern society is propaganda and manipulation.
		And since in the modern era, it's become quite a problem because as the manipulators gain political influence, they've been able to buy their way into the major media outlets of the world and squeeze out or push out any alternative voices. Now, in the case of, let's say, Alex Jones and Bob Dacey on The Alex Jones Show,
		You know, that's my handle.
		People characterize me as being part of the extreme left, and yet that's absurd.
		Just like I believe that Alex Jones is not part of any extreme right, Alex Jones is just a guy who's trying, Bob Dacey, who's interested in uncovering Thank you.
		be captured by the by the regulators by the corporations like all the corporate occupation And the information's not getting out there.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		What I'm saying, Max, is this.
		Look, if I could have my way, you know, if I was like President Bob Obama, you know, and I was really born in the United States and everything, and I could actually just wave my magic wand and there's no manipulation and there's no corruption going on, I'd be sending my guys up to Gull Island and finding out whether Lindsey Williams is right.
		You know, is there an oil field, is there an oil area up there on the northern Alaska border which is so vast and so huge as to make the peak oil thing a crock?
		You know, and is that a representative sample of other things going on, manipulated around the world, where they're hiding this stuff from us to keep the price up and to con us out of our standard of living because of this peak oil boogeyman that they keep throwing at us.
		See, I'd like to be able to prove that.
		You know, I'd like to be able to go up to Gull Island and say, okay, is that sucker really there?
		You know, and are there other suckers all over the place that are there that they just won't let us touch?
		I mean, Lindsey Williams said they went up there, the federal government went up there and said, get the heck out of here.
		And I know that even just as a layman, you go look at a geological map of Alaska and you find out that 80% of the whole thing up there is off limits.
		You know, if they're making things off limits, how can you have peak oil if you have a stacked deck like that?
		I don't agree with you.
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now you're talking about Lindsey Williams, and first of all, the fact that the price collapsed the way it did, you have to tip my hat to Lindsey Williams.
		Because when the price was at $147, as you point out, a lot of pundits were saying, hey, it's going to $175, $220.
		Lindsey Williams was like a lone voice out there saying, no, it's going to drop down to $50.
		And, you know, he's right.
		And that was a great call.
		But I disagree, kind of, in, you know, looking at what he looks at in his research.
		You talk about Lindsey Williams, you believe in his stuff.
		You know, I look at a guy like Matt Simmons, who is We've got 30 years, you know, poking straws in the ground, who's a scientist, a geologist, who's got no reason to, no agenda to go out there and smudge or fudge the figures, and that's the guy who I look at.
		Now ultimately, we live still in a somewhat capitalist environment.
		There's a question as to how much longer we will be in a capitalist environment, but we do live in an environment where the price will out.
		We'll see in the next couple of years whether or not this depletion or supply destruction is really going to cut into the global supply of oil out there, as I think will be the case.
		The demand keeps going up.
		The demand in the last year was higher than it was the year before by a million barrels a day.
		Even in this economic duress, we still had demand increasing from places like China, India, etc.
		Supply is decreasing.
		And when we put those two things together, it translates into a higher price.
		I agree with Lindsey that the price of the futures and the paper market is manipulated, as all markets are manipulated.
		And I think he looks great in the last six months.
		I think six months from now, it's going to be a different story, but I have to concede to you the point that in the last six months, you know, he's definitely got the winning hand in the last six months.
		You know, if you had bought oil at $140, you'd be, you know, crushed in your account today.
		And that's a tragedy for those people who bought oil at that price.
		And he's looking good.
		But I just, I have not seen, I've weighed all the inputs and the outputs.
		To me, I'm a believer in the peak oil, but I'm not a fanatic.
		I mean, I'm always looking for new information.
		I'll re-read Lindsey Williams' stuff again.
		I'll look at it again.
		Maybe I'm overlooking something.
		I'm perfectly willing to do that.
		Maybe I'm wrong.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		When I look at this, I see a blizzard of BS out there.
		And everyone seems to have a reason for putting out information or disinformation.
		And when you don't have a clean playing field and you don't have independent confirmation where people aren't playing with stuff, I don't see how you can come up with any conclusions.
		My conclusion is I'm with Alex and that the...
		And of course, you know, convincing us that we can't drive our truck anymore or if that's good for them, great.
		They're going to lie to us.
		That's all they ever do is lie to us.
		So, in this atmosphere, this forest of lies, which is, you know, A. the mainstream media, and B. the global elite, I don't see how anybody can come up with any real honest facts.
		That's all.
		It's just kind of a...
		It's confusing, I guess, and I think it's meant to be.
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think...
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you yourself, in one of your...
		I saw in an interview, I believe you said that they are urinating on us.
		Didn't you say that?
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		Who? Who did I say was urinating on who?
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		That sounds interesting.
unidentified		What did I say?
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		I think I saw that on one of the video clips that they were basically peeing on us.
		I think that was you.
		If I'm wrong, I'll take that back.
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		Okay. I think I'm familiar with the clip and it refers to, okay, my main We're good to
		go. Um, transgressions, if you will.
		Uh, to the point of, you could classify them, if you want to look historically, uh, over the course of American history.
		They would be classified as tyrants in a lot of ways.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, tell you what.
		Hold that thought, Max.
		We'll be back after the break and we'll pick up on who the crooks are.
		This is Bob Dacey for Alex Jones.
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		Okay, we've got one more segment Max.
		We're talking about somebody trying to Yeah,
		today you're talking about basically you want to talk about the new world order you're talking about goldman sachs is that is that accurate this financial coup d'etat that you mentioned that took place as a larger largely orchestrated by goldman sachs yeah
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		well first of all, again the headlines that we cover I don't But,
		okay, the question of Goldman Sachs.
		Goldman Sachs inherited, in a lot of ways, the dynasty from J.P. Morgan.
		Of course, J.P. Morgan is still alive and kicking.
		And these two banks are really at the heart of the U.S. banking establishment, banking cartel.
		And, as you know, a lot of people, there's a revolving door between Goldman Sachs and the federal government.
		So Hank Paulson came from Goldman Sachs.
		He went into the government, he was a treasury secretary.
		He'll probably end up going back and working in the finance sector.
		Tim Geithner.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		He's a cash carry.
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		Cash carry also, Goldman alumni.
		Robert Rubin, Goldman alumni.
		I believe Tim Geithner also, Goldman alumni.
		So the Goldman is really training, you know, for these guys.
		They're concentrated, they have a huge profit machine.
		are doing really questionable things.
		For example, last year, they were selling bonds on behalf of a customer.
		At the same time, they were selling them short in the open market and driving the price down.
		So there was a clear case of double dealing.
		You know, and this type of thing, if you or I did it, it's a clear case of double dealing.
		And yet, at that level, it seems to be completely overlooked.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's a financial police when you need them, huh?
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Financial Police is supposed to be the Securities and Exchange Commission, the SEC, but it's overworked, understaffed.
		It seems to be a captured regulator, just like these rating agencies like Moody's, S&P, Fitch.
		They seem to be in the pocket of the industry they're supposed to be supervising.
		And they're not actually independent agencies.
		They're doing independent research and independent regulation.
		And as a result, You've got the growth of a huge concentration of wealth and power.
		It makes its way into Washington, and then they pass laws that make it much easier for banks and brokers to continue these huge schemes.
		You know, that Bernie Madoff Ponzi scheme is really a model, if you will, for almost everything that's going on in the U.S. financial sector over the past 15, 20 years, really.
bob dacy ▲ ● ▼		In layman's terms, you're just saying that the fox is guarding the hen house, and that's the way it is.
max keiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that's true.
		That's the way it was back in Calvin Coolidge's day in the 1920s, which led to the crash and the depression, and things that were established as a result of the depression, like the Securities Act of 1933 and 1934, the FDIC insurance,
		the SEC, all these things that came as a result Hello, their job in de-fanging the regulatory bodies to the point where we're right back to the Calvin Coolidge's day.
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		I'm going to have to cut you off.
		We're just about out of time.
		Max Keiser, thank you for being on the show.
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