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unidentified		Big Brother.
		Mainstream media.
		Government cover-ups.
		You want answers?
		Well, so does he.
		He's Alex Jones, on the GCN Radio Network.
		And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, welcome.
		It is Thursday.
		It's also Thursday 11 a.m. and 32nd Central Standard Time.
		We're going to be live here for the next four hours on this November 20th, 2008 edition.
		We will have open phones in this first hour, second hour, third hour, fourth hour today.
		We have Jim Mars and Robert Grodin on together in the next hour.
		Both of them leading JFK assassination experts.
		Probably, you know, the two twin peaks there.
		Can't think of two people who are more informed, more involved, and more prominent.
		We'll discuss the 45th anniversary of the murder of JFK coming up this weekend.
		Also, the In the Fed protests coming up.
		I've got the Dallas leader of that joining us tomorrow because I'll be up in Dallas for that event as well.
		It's only about a mile and a half away from the Grassy Knoll Daily Plaza.
		Did coast-to-coast AM last night for an hour, that was interesting as usual.
		Good to see George Norrie actually growing that show.
		I was reading in the newspaper, it is the only premier radio network show, national show, that is now making money.
		Did you know that?
		All the others are imploding, basically.
		But radio across the board is in deep trouble, because every other industry is.
		Not just media.
		It's the recession leading into depression, but again, because George has myself and others on, and took that show in a new direction five years ago, to about 30% New World Order news and information, when you didn't basically get any of that before, it has actually grown.
		But a side issue, just wanted to plug that, and also say we want George Norrie To have his new national TV show picked up permanently that's been airing all this week.
		The last one airs tonight at different times across the country and the world on the Sci-Fi Channel.
		Find out more at coasttocoastam.com.
		Why do we want that?
		Well, you know, they're doing some of the fun topics right now.
		Vampires. Aliens.
		Atlantis. There's nothing wrong with entertainment.
		And George will tell you that himself.
		On air.
		But that show gets picked up, folks.
		You're going to see some more serious topics and serious guests on it.
		So we definitely want that to happen.
		Plus, George is a great guy.
		So be sure and tune into that this evening on the SyFy channel.
		And let them know you appreciate it, because we need a friend in high places.
		That's why I hope Ventura and his Time Warner show.
		True TV.
		But he will not compromise on the show, exposing 9-11 and JFK and other things.
		So he's, you know, said to me here on air, on other places, that he doesn't even know if it will be picked up, but that pilot has been shot and should be airing the next three or four months or so.
		So that's exciting on that front as well.
		But I already digress.
		Into tertiary issues here.
		Kind of inside baseball stuff, but...
		You know, I said I'd get into Mark Cuban yesterday, and, uh...
		the Securities and Exchange Commission charging him civilly, but then, sending out with Martha Stewart, it then led to criminal.
		And, uh, my involvement in the story, loose change final cuts involvement in the story, And so I'm going to write a note here today and try to get into that.
		I mean, I got into some of it yesterday, but not as much as I had wanted to.
		It is an important story of persecution and attacks on free speech.
		But when we get back, I haven't even gotten into the news and I'm going to cover it.
		It is staggering.
		You know, the Chinese government is looking at buying up the big three U.S. automakers.
		Oh, yes.
		We'll be right back.
		And the Communist Chinese government's running many of the ports in the United States.
		We'll be right back.
		Stay with us.
		Hello, friends.
		This is Alex Jones.
		I've told you for a long time it's important to be self-sufficient, and today that's more important than ever.
		We need to be independent, and food and water is the key.
		You'll never have to stand in a bread line if you have your own bread.
		You'll never have to go to the Superdome and beg for FEMA to take care of your family in any emergency if you simply prepare.
		Our elected representatives wanted a good old boy bailout for special interest, so they ignored your screams not to do it.
	They turned off the telephones and email.
	They voted to print $850 billion at least out of thin air.
	This money now owns the American and European banks.
	The exploding inflation that is now guaranteed will slash your life savings to nothing and blast the cost of necessities, particularly food beyond many Americans'reach.
	In pre-Nazi Germany's superinflation, the cost of a loaf of bread doubled every two days until it reached over 4 billion marks.
	The private banks merging with our government are refusing to loan grocery stores enough money to restock their shelves.
	The stores have less food but jack up prices to stay in business.
	Whatever happens in America, we need to be prepared and be ready.
	Everything is zeroing in on food.
	One third of Americans have to choose between buying food and paying for other necessities.
	My friends, whatever it takes, get prepared, get self-sufficient, get food.
	For everybody out there listening, it's very important for you to understand that by having a supply of storable food, the government, the new old order has a lot less control over you.
	And so it's a mindset, a mindset of self-sufficiency and preparedness.
	No one is going to take care of your family in the final equation but you.
	You know eFoodsDirect.com is still able to ship storable food that's safe from E. coli, salmonella, genetic alteration, or Chinese imports.
	And they do it at almost half the cost of last year's grocery prices.
	Call 1-800-409-5633.
	Or on the web, go to eFoodsDirect.com.
	Visit eFoodsDirect.com and look over the fine list of high-quality, freeze-dried, and dehydrated foods they have to offer.
	Watch the free videos.
	Look at their online catalog.
	Or give them a call at 1-800-409-5633.
	Again, 800-409-5633 or on the web at efoodsdirect.com.
	Take action today.
	The first step is getting scorable food.
unidentified		He's the T-Rex of political talk.
		Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
		Music playing.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We're live on this Thursday edition.
unidentified		Thank you for joining us.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let's run through the headlines.
		Consumer price drops record 1% in October to the lowest since the last year of World War II.
		SAIC Dong Feng said to buy GM Chrysler assets.
		That's the Chinese government-controlled big two Chinese automakers.
		Chinese car makers are also seeking government aid, L.A. Times, but again to buy U.S. automakers' factories.
		Port of Los Angeles security under control of Chinese President's son, Canadian Free Press.
		With Hillary coming back into the White House in multiple fronts, Secretary of State, or she's going to be the czar over socialized health care.
		Get ready for the parade of CHICOM generals.
		Financials need another one trillion.
		Reuters, the bankers say, we need more, we need trillions more.
		Paulson was behind bailout, martial law threat, PrisonPlanet.com headline.
		Senator Inhofe has been interviewed.
		Uh, by the media.
		We have a clip coming up later.
		And he said, yeah, it was Paulson calling up threatening martial law.
		As if we needed Inhofe from Oklahoma to tell us that.
		Again, when this came out five weeks ago, and the congressman, one of the congressmen we interviewed about it, wouldn't talk about it under House rules.
		I said, well, we know you're in the meeting with Bernanke and Paulson.
		And Kashkari, so which one was it?
		Well, I can't tell you.
		I won't.
		Well, we know now.
		More High Treason by Paulson.
		Government can't handle gold run on gold coins.
		This is out of the New York Post.
		All over the world, they just can't handle it.
		It's all being sold out as the price stays at $750.
		It's magical.
		You can't buy it, you can't find it most places, but the price goes down.
		Only in La La Land, but we're in La La Land.
		Alarm bells ring as Hillary offered leading role in American healthcare overhaul.
		Paulson supports FDIC foreclosure prevention plan, but then you read deeply into the facts, it's another bait and switch where they just keep the money, and then maybe if the Treasury feels like it later, if a bank renegotiates a mortgage, then maybe they might give them a little bit of money.
		Blackwater gunboats will protect ships on the west coast and east coast of Africa.
		There's now pirating going on every day off of Nigeria, but mainly off of Somalia.
		They're on the horn, and they grabbed a Saudi oil tanker, as you know, yesterday.
		Three times the size of the biggest U.S. aircraft carriers.
		Big as they get.
		Mega ship.
		I mean, it is just society imploding in on itself as Somalis starve to death.
		I'm not defending what they're doing, but take a look at those folks.
		They don't get much food.
		And that's what they're saying.
		And they also don't like the fact that this has been caught on video.
		The big ships pull up and dump their toxic waste right off the Somali coast.
		So the fish of all basically died.
		It's all part of, uh, just the raping and robbing going on by the elite as things break down.
		Uh, gun, um, gunboats will protect ships Blackwater.
		Ha! Who'll, who'll protect us from Blackwater?
		When they're not in New Orleans confiscating guns.
		NATO chief calls for more non-US troops in Afghanistan.
		MTA's planned cuts include everything from station agents to entire train lines.
		They're gonna shut down in New York, Boston, DC, you name it, shut down whole lines of public transit.
		Doesn't matter if it's four to eight bucks to basically go anywhere.
		And they're just going to make you crowd on like sardines even more.
		But don't worry, there will be more police searching you.
		There's lots of money for that.
		While the border stays wide open and millions of illegal aliens are released from prison, hundreds of thousands just in Texas a year, Houston Chronicle, who are aggravated felons.
		I'm not attacking the illegal aliens.
		I'm saying, jeepers creepers, they should be held to the same laws.
		But see, it's not about law.
		It's about lawlessness.
		It's all about protecting the lawless.
		Protecting the criminals.
		Raping the population financially.
	Los Angeles Times, anti-war groups fear Barack Obama may create hawkish cabinet.
	And it goes into how they are stacking it with Republican and Democrat hawks from both the Bush administration The first Bush administration, the second Bush administration, and the Clinton administration.
	Absolutely. What do you think is going to happen, ladies and gentlemen?
	You are going to witness big problems.
	You are going to witness very serious Increase in saber-rattling, going into Pakistan, expanding the force in Afghanistan, staying in Iraq, encircling Russia.
	It's all been announced.
	He's keeping gates on.
	He's hired as his chief advisor the richest slumlord in the U.S. who owns the giant facilities all over Chicago.
	I mean, it's just this guy is a poverty pimp.
	You want change?
	Oh, you're gonna get it.
	And they're not gonna be saying, Yes, we can.
	They're going to be saying, oh my God, what have we done?
	Help us.
	Weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth.
	Donald Driver's dad, beaten by Houston police after a dispute, Sports Illustrated, and they admit here, they pulled the guy over, he argued, so they beat him into a coma, and witnesses said, they said, you're now going to see Jesus, and then cram some type of drugs in his mouth, Uh, and then, uh, took him to jail, and then they took him out in a coma out of a jail cell.
	This isn't Sports Illustrated.
	I don't think these cops will get away with this, though, because there's money for lawyers.
	And again, I know all police aren't like this, but 20% probably are.
	And, uh, every couple days I read about them beating somebody to death in Houston or New York or L.A., you know, on video camera.
	And, uh, they don't get in trouble.
	And the public sees this, and so it makes the public hate all police.
	And, uh, when you've got troops serving three, four, five tours, they completely lose their minds.
	And, uh, they're coming back and becoming cops, and they're killing their families and other cops, and going postal every day.
	And statistically, it's the cops' families and other cops that have got to worry, so, hey, just enjoy yourselves, okay?
	Enjoy yourselves, I understand.
	You think you're going to get away with it?
	Well, You are going to get away with it.
	You are going to get away with everything you do.
	You've got the power, and I mean that, until everything collapses.
	You see, because there's bigger thugs above you, who are conscious thugs and criminals, and they are getting away with stealing the five trillion in the last five weeks.
	And they're going to take a lot more, and you're going to pay the taxes for that, and your family is, and you're going to pay in your dollar being devalued, and you're going to pay when this whole economy completely collapses.
	So just keep smiling, keep smiling, keep smiling.
	Keep laughing and joking and giggling and making excuses, all of you.
	The yuppies, the government bureaucrats, the CPS workers.
	Just keep laughing.
	Just keep pushing and pushing and pushing.
unidentified		All right.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So that is some of the news.
		I have some audio clips I want to play today as well.
		Endgame 1.5 is, I don't know, an hour and 45 minutes long or something.
		You know, that's the extra that was too big to put on the DVD.
		There's 40-something minutes of extras on Endgame itself, so it's over three hours.
		The film's two and a half hours, and you've got 40-something minutes of extras on the Endgame Blueprint for Global Enslavement DVD.
		I mean, this is the master plan for you and your family.
		For the world, you just might want to get the DVD to have that in your collection.
		But if you can't afford it, it's free on Google Video, free on YouTube.
		You might take the time out to go watch it and share it with others before it's too late.
		But I would have the DVD to show it in high quality.
		I would give it as a Christmas present this year.
		It's got a nice fancy cover, nice text on the back, reads like a sci-fi thriller, but it's real.
		And say, hey, check this out.
		It's wild.
		It's cutting edge.
		It's trendy.
		Jessica Simpson's in it.
		I'm being sarcastic.
		But I digress.
		Endgame 1.5 that we post for PrisonPlanet.tv members needs to be downloaded in high quality and burned to disk.
		You can do that as part of your membership.
		We hope you do.
		By the way, it's five months free right now at PrisonPlanet.tv until December 25th.
		So you can, my gift to you is, We've turned up the IP address system where it'll take, what is it, six now?
		Before it was three IP addresses because we didn't want to bog down the servers.
		Our mission is to get the word out and get it out in high quality so your membership provides the CDN, Content Distribution Network, powerful servers.
		But in the past we had, you know, systems where if everybody shared their IP address it would bog down when it was just on basic servers.
		We had like two servers.
		Now we have you know hundreds of times that amount of bandwidth and so now we've turned up the IP address to six So I want you to to share your passcode, I mean just create a nice Username and passcode and give it You know in a card or in an email the cards always nice to say hey there's hundreds of alternative movies and in documents at info and
		Information about the stock market, information about, you know, how to invest.
		There's a lot of people who are in business, well, they'll value that.
		You want to plant a hook so they don't not watch it, and then say, you know, here's a card, nice Christmas card, or holiday card, and inside of it is PrisonPlanet.tv address and their username and passcode, and say, check it out, use it.
		And that's a very good way.
		So really, you're giving yourself a PrisonPlanet.tv membership.
		That's my present to you.
		It's a present to me, too, because I want to get the word out and stop these murdering criminals.
		And then, you know, give that same passcode to three or four members of your family.
		And for $5.95, you've given them a month membership, or get a year and get five months free.
		You give them a more substantive gift.
		Uh, but, uh, PrisonPlanet.tv.
		Alright, I'm gonna get back in the news, and the Chinese, uh, set to take over our auto industry.
unidentified		The headlines are clear.
		The worldwide economic collapse is here.
		The military is being positioned for martial law.
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tom brokaw ▲ ● ▼		Today, unlike any other in the long course of American history, a terrorist act of war against this country.
unidentified		The enemy struck America on September 11th.
		Who is the enemy?
		Bin Laden.
		This is his MO.
		We have to look to the Middle East.
		We have to look to Osama Bin Laden.
		Fabled Enemies is the first 9-11 film to take a close look at the terrorist ties to intelligence networks inside the United States.
brit hume ▲ ● ▼		Some U.S. investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S. I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
unidentified		Bin Laden's connections to the CIA, the hijackers'ties to the FBI, the Saudi Arabian connection, the Israeli intelligence network, warnings and war games, the shadow government, and much, much more.
		Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.
		Lead from solder and copper pipes.
		Mercury from fish.
		Dental fillings.
		Vaccines. Arsenic in the water.
		These heavy metal toxins are difficult or even impossible to avoid.
		Even trace amounts of these heavy metals over time can impact your health.
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		I can't seem to remember anything anymore.
		What? Seriously, my memory and attention span is terrible.
		I read something and forget.
		I forget people's names.
		I hear all this great information on the radio and I want to tell people, but I forget.
		I... Okay, slow down.
		Poor attention and memory loss is not your fault.
		Factors like fluoride in the water, aluminum in deodorants, genetically modified foods, the way the education system taught you.
		It's all meant to dumb you down.
		You know, I can remember everything now.
		Even entire books.
		What? How?
		including entire books after they complete just 60 lessons.
		And they offer a no questions asked, no time limit, money back guarantee.
		Wow. What's the website?
		Now, don't forget, it's pmemory.net.
		The letter P, memory.net.
		This world is ruled by violence, but I guess that's better than I say.
		From the Broadway to the Milky Way, that's a lot of territory indeed.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And a man's gonna do what a man's gotta do.
unidentified		And a man's gonna do what he has to do.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Alright, ladies and gentlemen, Jim Mars and Robert Grodin coming up in the next hour.
		We'll have open phones after that, and Gerald Rund is popping back in again in the last 30 minutes of the show today.
		We'll talk about solutions and getting active on the streets.
		We've got the In The Fed folks on tomorrow.
		It is the 45th anniversary of the shadow government really taking over fully and saying, hey, President, you don't run, jank, squat, bang, you're dead.
		Alright, I went over a lot of the news.
		That is grazed over it.
		But I'm going to get into more detail now.
		It's a big deal to have the worst consumer confidence and the worst price drop on record.
		I mean, every record's being broken.
		You see, in the last year of World War II, millions of men were out of the country.
		Millions and millions more men and women were in the factories.
		There was rationing.
		People could barely afford milk and sugar and butter.
		It was all rationed.
		No new cars were being made except for the military.
		The economy was on hold other than the war effort.
		And that's the last time a Christmas was this dead.
		The sales, they're dead.
		I mean, I can tell you this.
		In the last year, we've seen video and book sales go down massively to what they were, you know, five years ago.
		You know, it's gone all the way back to when this was a much smaller operation, and I thought that was bad at InfoWars.com and, you know, the online video and book store.
		But then, in the last month or two, it's even dropped below that.
		And I'd say it's about half of what we were selling just three months ago.
		Normally in the late summer, early fall, that's a dead time.
		That was bumper crop for us, and you know, we need the money to operate.
		We actually have 15 people working for me now.
		15 people.
		That doesn't sound like a lot for some, but that is a lot for me.
		That's a big nut to crack.
		And you know, it's all about the mission.
		But, I mean, we're doing fine because we have Prison Planet.tv, we have advertisers, we have a lot of things we're doing.
		The point is that this is really going to start compounding.
		And imagine what it's like in other areas of the economy, other businesses, other systems.
		Media is hard hit.
		Radio, TV, newspapers.
		Shutdowns, just things closing their doors.
		Newspapers are trying to sell out right now.
		The Austin American Statesman, been up for sale for a year, can't find a buyer.
		And it's not just the internet overtaking it, it's all being compounded by the economy.
		So a lot is happening, and into this gap comes the Chinese government that backed and funded and controls SAIC and DongFeng, the two big companies said to buy GM Chrysler assets.
		This is all over the largest Chinese newspapers, government newspapers.
		Under the sway of the global financial crisis, Shouldn't use their term, the globalist criminal consolidation by design, the economic warfare of the elite.
		So under the sway of the global financial crisis, the globalist economic warfare, the U.S. auto giants, General Motors, Chrysler, LLC, are tottering on the brink of collapse.
		Japan's Toyota Motor was previously rumored to buy them out, but now Chinese car makers SIC and Dongfeng are also said to have plans to acquire the two U.S. auto companies.
		Reports of 21st century Business Herald today!
		On November 15th, a senior official in China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology and state regulator of China's auto industry told reporters that the auto manufacturer giants in China, such as Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation, or SAIC, and Dongfeng Motor Corporation have the capability and innovation to buy the assets of the two crisis-plagued American automakers.
		Let's break down what's really happening here and what this is a larger Part of him will get back.
		Then, Henry Paulson.
		He was the one threatening martial law, according to Senator Inhofe of Oklahoma.
unidentified		We're on the march.
		The Empire's on the run.
		Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
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		A new world order.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		In the near future, Earth is dominated by a powerful new government.
unidentified		It's known as the Bilderberg Group.
unidentified		Vote their objective to be world domination.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		For thousands of years, their dark order grew.
		Now, as they hail the birth of the new world order, their great dream of exterminating 80% of humanity is at hand.
		For the first time in history, the elite's plan for world government is blown wide open.
		You will learn the secret that drives the entire New World Order agenda.
unidentified		Build-a-Burg is making great progress toward a world government.
unidentified		Most people have no idea.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They're not after money.
unidentified		They have all the money they need.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		They're after power.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		That's their aphrodisiac.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Order Endgame on DVD at PrisonPlanet.com or InfoWars.com or watch it online right now at PrisonPlanet.tv.
		Endgame. Blueprint for global enslavement.
		You have been warned.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So what does this mean that the Chinese automakers, and I don't think any of this is by accident, this is all happening right now, see the big foreign banks that leveraged the dollar, that devalued the dollar while they bought real assets that created 1.5 or 1,000 500 trillion or 1.5 quadrillion dollars in fiat.
		They went over and dumped hundreds of billions into Chinese automakers.
		Hundreds of billions into third world countries all over the world to leverage out the United States.
		It's a long-term strategic plan.
		They handed over old military bases to the Chinese.
		They handed over old US bases and British bases and French bases in Africa to the Chinese.
		In Latin America, the Panama Canal in 2000.
		The Long Beach Port.
		The LA port, the Boston ports, just all of it, just everything.
		Then 20-something ports they were going to hand over to the UAE.
		People got upset about it so they had a holding company do it and UAE now runs it all.
		The 83 interstate highways being handed over to foreign consortiums in Germany, in Spain, in Australia.
		That's globalism, making sure you're totally controlled by outside Systems, outside corporations.
		And they have to get you in debt and destroy the economy so they can buy it up at fire sale prices.
		And if you don't like it, militarized police have been trained to eat their own guts and ask for seconds.
		Who are destroying their own futures while they go along with the system.
		Squeezing and taxing and the bureaucrats and all the new assessments and taxes and property taxes.
		All of that money.
		Let's put into the cappers the comprehensive annual financial report 60 plus percent of the money put in there all of that money is taken offshore and Then it comes right back, but that's not enough Americans then have to buy the cheap Chinese Stuff or the Japanese?
		Because it's better in that case You know, they have to.
		Early on, they could have demanded quality, but they didn't.
		And American companies, again, strategically, by design, were already moving overseas.
		So why make something good?
		And so now, all those VCRs, all those DVD players, all those video games, all those baubles and ice chests and clothes that you bought from China, or Indonesia, Or Mexico, it's all coming back here to buy factories and roads and infrastructure and mines and timber.
		And you read in the LA Times that not only are the big two Chinese automakers basically government-controlled, they're going to the government saying, hey, cut the gas tax so we can sell more cars.
		And, uh, give us big tax breaks and tax incentives and government money to build more factories here in China and over in the United States to buy them out.
		You know what the government's saying?
		Absolutely. You want five hundred and something, Bill?
		Go buy them up.
		We want factories.
		We want infrastructure.
		We want Ford and GM.
		We want Chrysler.
		Chinese car makers also seek government aid.
		Reporting from Shanghai, America's big three aren't the only car makers turning to government with a hat in hand.
		Hit by a dramatic slowdown in sales, Chinese auto executives are cutting production, shelving plans to export to the U.S., and all of Detroit looking for Beijing for a little help.
		Unlike the heads of General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Corp., and Chrysler, who were in Washington this week, Pleading for $25 billion in aid, it's loans.
		Chinese automakers generally aren't in dire financial straits.
		Rather, they're begging for cash on loans, Chinese managers say.
		They're pushing for policy changes such as lower consumption taxes, pump prices, that might help jumpstart sales.
		And then it goes on for more money for factories and things like that.
		So, see...
		Now, now, now, let me explain something.
		Do I like Ford and GM, you know, my whole life?
		Well, I didn't buy that many over my life, I guess, but like three cars.
		I'd even, you know, try to buy used cars that were American.
		But they constantly break.
		I mean, you buy a new car, it's broke down in a year.
		Then I watch my parents driving.
		I mean, you know, my dad had learned this by the 80s.
		He always bought Fords and Chevys.
		They always broke down.
		So he started buying Japanese in the same car.
		You can almost forget to put oil in it.
		It just keeps running forever.
		So I buy Japanese now.
		Because Ford and Chevy and Chrysler, they're already globalists.
		They're already offshore.
		They already have The majority of their parts are made overseas.
		But, so to be clear here, it's not like I'm saying don't bail out or do bail out the automakers.
		It's not like I'm saying it's a great thing to bail them out.
		What I'm saying is $25 billion in loans to Chrysler and Chevy, who are about to go bankrupt.
		$25 billion?
		That's two or three B Two bombers?
	That's not even one nuclear submarine?
	That's not even half of an aircraft carrier?
	What are those things like?
	Sixty billion bucks?
	Seventy billion bucks?
	They got a new superclass coming out?
	I mean, the defense contractors just got a one trillion plus dollar, on budget, one trillion.
	It's gonna be more, always, with supplementals.
	Trillion plus dollar defense budget.
	The previous biggest one was $600 billion.
	I mean, they're raping us like never before for all that junk and $500 hammers and $800 toilet seats.
	And that, of course, in the military controls the $500 billion a year in narcotics coming in.
	They laundered that.
	It's the Army, mainly.
	The Navy and the CIA that launder all that, so that's not enough for them.
	But, I mean, you guys are all going to have big houses in Maui and, you know, even your mercenaries and million dollars in the bank, you know, even your minions, but everything's going to collapse around you and you're going to destroy your whole society.
	But you don't care.
	You get up and thump your chest like a gorilla and say, I don't care.
	We're going to dominate you.
	Watch this.
	We're going to ship in the Yeho and the Schmack and your kids are going to use them.
	We're going to throw them in our prisons.
	I mean, it is so sick.
	Meanwhile, we're getting our lunch eaten, and you have destroyed America, and it is being consumed, absorbed by the New World Order, then strip-mined, just being looted, gang-raped, just like a hundred and fifty years ago, the ten European powers with the U.S. went in and divided and raped China.
	Go read about it.
	What comes around, goes around.
	There's all these well-meaning fools that salute the flag and wear their uniform and cry about the government and put their hand in their chest.
	That doesn't exist anymore, Baba.
	So you say, I don't want to hear that Alex Jones.
	He puts down America.
	No, I tried to save America.
	But as long as they stick an American flag on tyranny, you will salute it and do whatever it says.
	See, they just can't believe it's all true.
	They're the schmucks.
	The suckers.
	The chumps.
	They love being conned.
	They love the sappy propaganda.
	They love the delusion.
	Okay, well, you and your family are going to get hurt real bad.
	And it isn't by me that you've been taught to hate so much and been taught to fear the patriot movement.
	It's by your masters.
	You're sitting in their lap, but it ain't your mommy or your daddy.
	It's a big, mean creature.
	And it likes blood of societies.
	Chinese car makers also seek government aid, so they're coming in and buying things up.
	i'm gonna go to your calls I'm going to go to your calls, and then I'm going to get into Paulson coming out and saying, hey, we're going to have martial law if you don't do this.
	That's now confirmed by Senator Inhofe.
	Paulson was behind a bailout martial law threat.
	But just in closing on the cars, it is a national security issue.
	But you see, national security is only used to destroy America, destroy the family, tax the middle class, chumps out of existence.
	It's only used to put sodium fluoride in the water and force vaccines on kids to give them autism.
	It's only used to ram through GMO crops that kill most of the rats and guinea pigs it's fed to and are killing us right now.
	It's only used to carry out the narcotics trafficking, the government-controlled narcotics trafficking.
	It's only there to protect their criminal activity.
	Imagine, since 47, tens of trillions of dollars in secret operations Powerful men doing whatever they want with total anonymity and total power.
	Gee, are you surprised we're going into total corruption?
	Total looting.
	Because they can.
	This is the final fruit of that.
	But if we had real national security, we'd say, you know what, we're not going to buy five B-2 bombers for a hundred billion bucks plus.
	We're going to give $100 billion to the automakers.
	Or, we're going to give $100 billion to two new start-up companies for whoever will sign the contracts and do the deals to build it.
	Now, obviously, that's not a free market.
	Okay, but we don't have a free market.
	I mean, if they're going to give $5 trillion in five weeks to the bankers to go invest it in China, and by the way, Curt Nemo just sent me an article he just posted, Bank of America by stake in China construction.
	You see, that's in the news.
	I see it every day, just buried.
	Do you understand?
	They're taking the five trill, and they're not just leveraging and buying other healthy banks and insurance companies in the U.S. They're buying not just the roads and the ports.
	They are taking your money and sending it to China to come back and buy Ford And Chevy and Chrysler.
	Bank of America buy steak and China construction.
	Right there.
	It's happening everywhere.
	They are taking the 5 trillion and cornering the world market.
	They depress the economy.
	They blow out the economy.
	They bad mouth it.
	They say we're gonna have a depression.
	The government destroys confidence.
	They knew when they said all that would destroy confidence.
	The economy dies.
	Everybody gets scared and stops buying.
	The economy is basically a zombie right now.
	The blood ain't flowing.
	And then they come in and buy it all up.
	I mean, it's so simple.
	So it's a national security issue.
	And because it is a real national security issue, they're not going to save them!
	The government isn't the government.
	It's a giant garbage disposal chopping the country up.
	You understand?
	So go ahead and watch your SWAT team cop shows cops and feel powerful, and go ahead and FBI feel powerful and train to confiscate our guns, and go ahead and just do everything you're doing, because it's all going to collapse.
	You're not going to have jobs.
	When they're done with this, we're going to be a giant third world cesspool.
	And the cops are going to be in giant gunfights with criminal gangs.
	Because once societies go banana republic, like Argentina's already done, or Brazil, or Mexico, once it happens, the gangs don't respect you anymore.
	They're going to move in and take over.
	And the cops are going to hide out in their police stations.
	I mean, there have been days in Brazil where a hundred and something cops get killed.
	There's days in Mexico where twenty or thirty get killed.
	You have destroyed yourselves.
	You have destroyed your country.
	So go ahead, pull over somebody with a smart mouth of you, beat them up, knock their teeth out.
	And you won't get in trouble because tyranny rules.
	But remember, the bankers aren't going to get in trouble taking everything you've got.
	You just remember that too.
	That's how evil works.
	It races through a country like Okay, let's go to some calls.
	All right, the caller from Pennsylvania, Martiros, hung up.
	So we'll go to David in Texas.
	You're on the air.
	Go ahead, David.
	Come ahead, David.
	I don't understand why the callers never come to the line.
	It's weird.
	Alright, David.
	Thanks for the call.
	Garrett, Mississippi.
	You're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Alex.
		How you doing?
		Good. Well, you're right about that.
		The blood's fixing to flow.
		I wrote up something this morning for my friends about Christmas shopping.
		They should think outside the box for purchasing Christmas gifts this year.
		I, for one, am going to go through your store and get a Water filter for my in-laws.
		Just things like that, you know.
		A multi-tool.
		Some rugged outdoor clothing like some car hearts or something like that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Besides, you're going to use that?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You never use all the other junk people give you?
unidentified		Yeah. I've asked just for, you know, things of this sort that I need to fill my gaps.
		But I also wanted to give you a gun show report.
		I was in Jackson, Mississippi this past weekend at the show, and it was a madhouse.
		It took 30 minutes just to get in.
		The firearms that are slated to be banned very soon were running $200 to $300 above what they cost five weeks ago, when the last show came through.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		AR-15s, M1s, Grans, everything semi-auto.
unidentified		Everything was $200 to $300 or more than what it should have been.
		So I'll caution people.
		This is some tips I give for Christmas shopping.
		Go to the internet and save some gas.
		A lot of the stuff is free shipping.
		Don't buy gift cards, because I've got a story circulating today.
		I don't know if it's absolutely true or not, but it makes sense.
		If these companies go bankrupt or shut their stores down, how are you going to use a gift card?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, that's already happening everywhere, like linens and things.
		I saw a report about, you know, they're closing all their stores.
		I mean, it's hundreds of chains are going under, or vastly reducing stock.
		And again, this was all publicly done when the President and Obama, during the campaign, and the Treasury Secretary and the Fed Chairman, all said we're going to have a depression.
		That was it!
		They killed us right there!
unidentified		Yeah, and another thing, too, what I'm doing is there are some things that, I mean, when you're into the Patriot movement or preparedness, it never ends.
		And that's what scares a lot of people away.
		It's a lot of investment, but it's buying insurance for your future security.
		There's calculators out on the web where you can calculate your tax refund.
		That's a little bit the government dribbles back to you.
		And if you have a credit card, if you still have credit, use it to get what you need now.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was about to say, I hate to tell people to go out and max out credit cards.
unidentified		I've hated to do that too, but guess what?
unidentified		There's not going to be any bill collectors when this comes around.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a good chance that could be the case, but the bottom line is they're going to come after the little guys for debts, but the big guys can do whatever they want.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you're going to steal, folks, the moral is shoot for the moon.
unidentified		I just encourage everybody, Alex, to get prepared.
unidentified		This is in-game time, you know, referencing your movie that you put out.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		What are locals in your area, Garrett, of Mississippi saying?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Are they starting to wake up?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		When I started working at this major company three years ago, tomorrow, People thought I was nuts when I started telling them about 9-11, Road to Tyranny, and different things like that.
		This guy's a head case.
		Now, I've kind of moved up in the office society, and I have an office.
		And people come in and shut the door and ask what they need to do.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because you told them beforehand.
		Great to hear from you.
		We're out of time.
		More calls straight ahead.
		David, Bob, Robert, Bruce, stay with us.
		Bruce disagrees with me.
		We'll go to him first.
		Stay with me.
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tom brokaw ▲ ● ▼		Today, unlike any other in the long course of American history, a terrorist act of war against this country.
unidentified		The enemy struck America on September 11th.
		But who is the enemy?
		Bin Laden.
		This is his ammo.
		We have to look to the Middle East.
		We have to look to Osama Bin Laden.
		Fabled Enemies is the first 9-11 film to take a close look at the terrorist ties to intelligence networks inside the United States.
brit hume ▲ ● ▼		Some U.S. investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S. I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
unidentified		Bin Laden's connections to the CIA, the hijackers'ties to the FBI, the Saudi Arabian connection, the Israeli Intelligence Network, Warnings and War Games, the shadow government, and much, much more.
		Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists.
		Imagine feeling totally helpless.
		Imagine thinking and hearing clearly, but unable to move as the ground rises to meet you.
		Imagine the pain of a thousand needles as your body is invaded, locked, and hammered by 50,000 volts of the latest in taser technology.
		If this sounds scary, imagine how it would feel for anyone attempting to victimize a friend, loved one, or even yourself.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I've gotten a few phone calls and seen a few emails of people saying, why is your radio show running taser commercials?
		Tasers are evil.
		Well, number one, FortressTactical.com is not my sponsor.
		I wish they were.
		It's a Genesis sponsor.
		You've got the wrong show.
		You're confused.
		I don't blame a taser.
		I don't blame a.357 Magnum.
		I don't blame a samurai sword for murder or mayhem or crime.
		I'm not against the police having tasers, but they should only use them when they truly are under threat.
		And it should be, you know, when somebody takes a swing at you, you know, where you don't in that threat continuum want to shoot them.
		Or when somebody's attacking somebody who won't get off of them.
		And then you taser them one time.
		But instead, the cops are mentally ill, at least the ones we see on video, where they taser some guy on the ground for an hour.
		I mean, I've seen videos where they just taser the guy for no reason.
		He's on the ground.
		They keep tasering him.
		That's in Road to Tyranny.
		Then they let the dog bite him.
		All those cops should have gone to prison.
		The guy never did anything.
		They got out.
		They tasered him.
		Because they got butt fever.
		They want to shoot something.
		So it allows cops that are trigger happy who want to kill people.
		To go ahead and do something less lethal.
		But it'll kill you.
		It's killed over 400 people now.
		So I'm against the misuse of it.
		I am absolutely for citizens having tasers.
		In fact, I've thought about...
		I don't want my wife carrying a gun around her purse because I've got little kids and they've been taught not to be around guns and they're locked up.
		But kids come over to the house and I just...
		you know...
		I want to keep them out of reach.
		But what about a taser?
		I know she's got some pepper spray in her car.
		And we don't live in a fear, so we don't, you know, really keep that stuff honest.
		We should.
		Yeah, we should be living, you know, living in some fear.
		Fear's meant to make you take action.
		You know, like you're leaning over a cliff.
		Hey, get back!
		Uh, but, uh, just to be clear, I think everybody needs a taser.
		We need more weapons.
		The citizens do.
		So, uh, yeah, this isn't a gun control show, folks.
		We believe in self-defense.
		And, uh, you know, if somebody takes a swing at a cop, it's better than them gunning them down.
		Better for them to take a billy club to them or taser them.
		Not just be such cowards where they pull the gun and shoot them, you know, because the person pulls away from...
		I've seen videos of a person pulls their arm out of a cop's grasp and so the cop shoots them.
		That's horrible!
		Uh, you know, taser them.
		That's what that is for.
		But it's being misused.
		Okay, um...
		Bruce in Connecticut disagrees on auto industry.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		Hi, how you doing, Alex?
		Good. Yeah, this is with respect to the auto industry comment.
		I agree that cars are designed to have engineered obsolescence, I mean, but I think that's across the board, you know, because I've seen a lot of problems with foreign or domestic, you know, it's just...
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Japanese are not as good as they were 10 years ago in my experience in mechanics I talked to, and as soon as Ford and GM and Chevy go out, Yeah, but I've had Fords now since the later 90s and I've never really had a problem with them.
unidentified		You know, they run good.
unidentified		I get over 100,000 miles, and I'm getting a lot of mileage for the dollar.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, my friend, I'm glad that that's been your experience.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's not been my experience.
unidentified		Sorry to hear that.
		And I agree with you on the other comment about self-defense.
		I agree 100%.
		It's just too bad the police don't use the discretion like they used to, you know?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, cops were more macho, and they were never perfect.
		I mean, you know, the industry itself has always had problems for thousands of years.
		By its very nature, because power corrupts absolutely, power corrupts absolutely.
		But, yeah, I mean, cops were too macho to, you know, wet themselves and shoot somebody because they, you know, made a fist at them.
		Uh, now, I mean, I see cops pullin' old ladies over and it's like they're shakin', walkin' to the car.
		It's just...
		The wicked fleeth when none pursueth.
		Cops ought to be scared of those cars flyin' past them.
		Statistically, that's what they really should be afraid of, but see, nobody tells them to be afraid of that, so they're not.
		Alright, we'll come back, take more calls, and get our guest on.
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		May I have everybody's attention, please?
		I've come with a message of information.
		9-11 was an inside job.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Do you like being a puppet, sir?
unidentified		Do you like being a puppet for the New World Order?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		How do the American people know that 9-11 was a stage?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Was it engineered by you, David Rockefeller, the Trilateral Commission, the C.A.R.?
unidentified		The day that we stop asking questions is the day that we have allowed the seeds of despotism to grow at our own door.
		Seven years after the attacks of September 11th, a global awakening has taken place.
		An inside job?
		How dare you?
		If you know that there's treason going on, you can be held accountable for treason yourself.
		All hell is breaking loose on 6th Avenue.
		And if the government has not told the truth, in five years we will be here on the 10th.
		Truth Rising.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Download the film at PrisonPlanet.tv right now.
		Or get the DVD at Infowars.com.
		It's now time to take the revolution to the next level.
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		Well, so does he.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We've got two of the leading JFK researchers with the 45th anniversary coming up this weekend.
		Joining us in the next hour, then continual open phones and all this other important world news like Senator Inhofe identifying who threatened the Congress with martial law five weeks ago to pass the bailout.
		Now almost six weeks ago.
		Right now, let's go to Sun in Chicago, a first-time caller.
		Go ahead, Sun.
unidentified		Hi Alex.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Hi. How are you?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Pretty good, other than watching my country be consolidated by a bunch of crooks.
unidentified		Alex, I apologize.
unidentified		This doesn't necessarily have to do with anything in particular.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		There's no topic.
unidentified		Okay. I am a new listener.
		I've just started listening to you in the last two, three weeks.
		And, well, I'm sort of coming out of the grieving process, if you will, in terms of, I guess, realizing a lot of the things that, as Everybody else has been told and I'm finding out that much of it is false.
		And it sort of gives you a sense of, you know, not being attached to something.
		But having said that, there's an awful lot of information that you guys have been sharing with us.
		And having said that, I started talking with other people.
		But naturally there seems to be some, you know, obvious resistance.
		And I guess what I'm trying to find out is, is there a site or a resource where a person or group, you know, regional places where, you know, people can meet?
		Or communities where they can talk and interact and, you know, share ideas and so on?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You've always got to, you know, Beware, and by that just be dubious.
		You know, don't be trusting.
		It's the nature of the web, but you can find great people.
		There are the Ron Paul meetups around the country.
		There are a lot of other organizations.
		They're going to have the In the Fed group going out and protesting the Fed coming up.
		That's going to be in Chicago as well, where you live, and 38 other locations, or 37 other locations around the country.
		There are 9-11 truth groups in every major city.
		There are, you know, all sorts of organizations and groups where you can meet like-minded people and then go to a group setting and find out, you know, who you'd like to work with or who you'd like to be involved with.
		It's kind of like looking for a church.
		I mean, you've got to go and check them out.
unidentified		Okay. All right.
		Fair enough.
		Thank you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Hey, thank you.
		Good to hear from you, son.
		Appreciate it.
		Dave in Wisconsin.
		You're on the air, David.
unidentified		Alex. Hi.
unidentified		Is it true when I looked on the internet that oil is $50 a barrel now?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think it's below $50.
unidentified		Yeah, it dipped below.
unidentified		Lindsey Williams is reliable, obviously.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, he really did work for Atlantic Richfield.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		You know, I'm old enough where I read that book in the 70s, and it's so weird how it What goes around comes around again.
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		And they'll be credible because it's all coming true and their credibility is going to go sky high right now.
		Now is the time to go public.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
unidentified		And then there's one more thing, just for you personally, it's to stay pure, you know, and And be in the power of God like you are.
		You know, there's other Christians that talk a bunch of nonsense, you know, but like we're not supposed to stand up for human rights and the things that you do, but stay pure and the power will flow.
		The evil guys, the Luciferians and all that, their guess is we're going to reap something that they sowed, but we're going to stand.
		And isn't it better to die than to stand up or live in that controlled world?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely. Absolutely.
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		And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We've had both Jim Mars and Robert Brodin on separately, but never had them on together.
		So for this hour and a little bit of the next, I thought we'd have them on together.
		It's kind of like we had Professor Everett Griffin and Professor Stephen Jones on together yesterday.
		And we will continue with your phone calls on a host of issues because both of these men can speak to them.
		But it is the 45th anniversary of the shadow government.
		The COG killing Robert F. Kennedy in Daly Plaza.
		That's coming up in just a few days.
		And Robert Grodin and Jim Mars will both be there.
		Jim has a cold, but he's still doing the show today.
		He's having a bad connection on his phone line, so we're bringing him up here in just a few minutes.
		But so much is happening for the 45th anniversary.
		There's all these different hit pieces on Discovery Channel, History Channel, coming out that are really becoming comical.
		Robert Grodin and Jim Mars, I can't think of two people.
		More prominent than these two men when it comes to the JFK investigation movement.
		People that have brought forth more information, done more research, investigated as long, been intimately involved with the case itself than Robert Grodin and Jim Mars.
		I mean, Robert Grodin brought out the Subruder film and a bunch of other key information.
		The list goes on and on.
		So bringing up Robert Grodin, I look forward to seeing him up there this weekend at the Grassy Knoll.
		And we're going to stay over Monday and interview him there.
		So it'll be a rebroadcast on Monday for the JFK film we're making.
		Mr. Grodin, good to have you on with us.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Great to be on, Alex.
		Thank you.
		Absolutely. You have a good listenership and they're open-minded and they understand.
		It's excellent.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I meant to ask you this when we first got you online, but I didn't have a chance to talk to you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Did you see the Inside the Shooter Car program put out by this Erickson fellow?
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		What a total phony that whole show was.
		I was actually there in the plaza when they were filming it, and they were making so many mistakes.
		I went up to them, and I told them, I pointed out, showed them the photographs that they had, the angles, the positions, all wrong.
		They wouldn't listen to me.
		They said, oh, it's not important.
		It doesn't matter.
		Of course it matters.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, with forensics.
		That's what jumped out at me is they said that if they would have fired from the Knoll, it would have gone through Kennedy's head on the side and hit Jackie.
		But the Knoll was firing Dias.
		Diagonally, more from the front.
		I mean, they were way off there.
		Also, they acted like all the Secret Service testimony about the car, which they grabbed, hid, you know, tore out, refurbished, acted completely guilty.
		So all that's based on fraud.
		So I, specifically, because you're one of the leading experts on this, we're going to talk to Mars in a moment.
		Since you've seen the program, I refuse to be interviewed by him, by the way, for a 9-11 truth film he's making, because what his specialty is, is doing quack Scientific reenactments to try to flim-flam the public, kind of along the CSI line.
		But there were hundreds of comments within minutes of the show ending on the Discovery Channel website and literally 97% of them, it was over 100 comments I saw, and three of them were agreeing with the show.
		People were like, this is so one-sided!
		You know, I never really thought that it was You know, more than a lone gunman, but now I do.
		You're covering up.
		I mean, it was so obvious.
		So, Robert Grodin breakdown inside the shooter car.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Well, the whole thing was some fraud to begin with, but you just mentioned about Jackie would have been hit, you know, based on what they showed.
		First of all, they had the bullet hit nearly four inches too far to the front from where it actually did hit, number one.
		They had the president's head angled about 30 degrees too far.
		If you were looking at it from the top, from up above.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was leaning over.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It was leaning way forward.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was way too far forward, but it was also...
		They also had Jackie sitting too far back, the actress playing Jackie.
		They had everything wrong.
		Nothing was right.
		But then again, considering they've done three other shows in the past that were even just as dishonest as this, perhaps even more so, It's not surprising.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, go over the car, because they ran off and refurbished that and hid that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		There were reports of bullet holes all over it, the windshield.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Right, absolutely.
		One thing that they said, one line that they used in the show is, A shot would have had to go through the windshield, and we know that didn't happen.
		Well, we don't know that it didn't happen.
		There's a half a dozen witnesses that said it did happen.
		One person actually stuck a pencil through the hole itself.
		So, there's just lots and lots of problems with it.
		Grossly dishonest, and this is basically an Empire Strikes Back type situation.
		It's the government, through these idiots, trying to convince us of another lie.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's go over the car.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what they did with the President's limousine.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, as soon as the car was at Parkland Hospital, the Secret Service gave orders to swab out the car.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		They got a bucket, they got sponges, and they were cleaning out the car, destroying the crime scene.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And they even admit that on the TV show!
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it didn't seem to bother them.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		They take the testimony of two witnesses, Well, the whole way they took the Chrysler back to the factory, the way they refurbished it in a week, the way they were so secretive about that, I mean, right there is the guilt.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Going to Jim Mars, Jim, when I called you Sunday night with my mouth hanging open halfway through the TV show, I said, are you watching this?
		You said, no, I'm taping and I'm watching the Cowboys get their butt kicked.
		Have you had a chance to see inside the shooter car produced by Laurel and Hardy?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have.
		And it's just as bad as I thought it was going to be.
		And that's why I didn't even bother to watch it, because I have, through my own personal experience, having co-produced a program for Discovery and having dealt with several producers, We're good.
		to sell programs to Discovery.
		I hate to say this, but there's so many people who think that if it's on the Discovery Channel, it must be right, and yet I'm here to tell you when it comes to Kennedy assassination, when it comes to UFOs, when it comes to other strange things, the Discovery Channel will not run the truth.
		Their attitude is, for example, on UFOs, we'll buy a program from you if you ridicule people who see UFOs.
		Uh, the Kennedy assassination.
		We'll buy a program from you if you'll support the Warren Commission.
		That's basically their attitude.
		And this show was just, well, it's, it's, it's so ludicrous.
		It's, uh, and, and as Robert has said, nothing they did was correct.
		Uh, but the main thing is, and, and without getting into technicalities, uh, they said every, they built this wooden frame and put some seats in it and said this represents the car.
		And they said, we've got these dummies and we've got this jello for brains and we're going to take a shot and we're going to see if this doesn't prove Oswald did it.
		And they said everything is exactly the way it was in November of 1963.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They say this is conclusion.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Except we're going to use a modern telescopic sight for accuracy.
		Well that blows the whole thing.
		Oswald didn't have a telescopic sight for accuracy.
		He had a cheap 12-point sight, and he was not shooting at a stationary target.
		He was shooting at a target moving laterally downhill away from him with a tree intervening in the line of sight, and yet we're told he hit twice out of three shots within six seconds.
		It's just ludicrous.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, Jim, and they also kept saying, we have conclusively proven it was Oswald from the school book Depository building.
		He did it.
		We have proven it.
		It's incredible.
		This is the greatest discovery ever.
		We're geniuses.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		They didn't prove anything.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, they keep talking about their sharpshooter.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely. Why couldn't he make the shot with the piece of junk, a little five and dime scope?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's the thing.
		Here's the thing.
		Their shooter was shooting from a crane, you know, that was pushed him up there approximately six floors.
		He had all the time in the world to take his shot.
		I'm sure they probably did it several times.
		His rifle is braced, and he's using a modern, accurate scope, and he's shooting at a stationary target.
		Hey, I could make that shot, okay?
		but just but the point is is that just because they can set up everything and take all day to do it and make a shot that hits the side of the dummies head uh...
		that that part of that group that just proves they could do that it doesn't mean on the wall made uh...
		to get out of three shots in six seconds what about what their uh...
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		watch uh...
		robert groden just brought up and i mean i'm no master poobah like you guys that know every inch of this thing study it continually I've been at the Knoll many times and I knew that the Grassi-Knoll shot was coming, you know, more from the front than it was from the side.
		But they say in the show the guy was basically straight on at the side and then would have blown Jackie's head off.
		I mean, that is just ridiculous.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		No, it is ridiculous and it does not even match the known medical evidence, which was apparently, and by all of the best evidence, Kennedy was struggling.
		in the right temple area in the hairline as he was leaning to the left with his chin down, which then took out the right rear portion of his head.
		Every doctor at Parkland said he had a huge gaping exit wound in the right rear portion of his head.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Robert wrote in his new book, and I think you should put it out even quicker.
		I've seen the photos, folks.
		You know, Grodin gets out with the subrooter.
		He gets out with these.
		He's got the sources.
		I mean, the whole backside of his head's blown off, and it's clearly he's been shot in the front of the head, Robert.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		Shot from the front, no question about it.
		One thing I've got to say, and everyone seems to be walking on eggshells with this one here, and I'll mention it, and I know that you would.
		I know you'd have no objection to this.
		The man who the producers picked as their so-called expert on the assassination was Gary Mack, the archivist of the sixth floor.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right, stay there.
		Stay there.
		We've got a break.
		Robert, we'll hear about this when we get back on the other side of this quick break.
		Stay with us.
		And then we'll also ask the question, they wouldn't even show the Subruder film.
		They showed computer simulations.
		Why did they do that?
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Robert Grodin, Jim Mars, the two twin peaks of the JFK investigation movement.
		Both of these men have tirelessly contributed to exposing the inside job of the assassination.
		Okay, Robert, you got interrupted by the break there.
		You were talking about who they use as their expert in this film.
		Please continue.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they used Gary Mack, who is the archivist for the Sixth Floor Museum.
		The Sixth Floor Museum is in all probability the strongest mouthpiece for the Warren Commission that exists in the world today.
		It's unbelievable.
		Here's a man who has done nothing in the history of the case to try to solve it.
		He used to be a great spokesman on our side.
		Until they offered him the job there, and then he sold out to the other side.
		It's very, very sad.
		I was there for crying out loud.
		I was showing them that they were wrong, and they absolutely ignored me.
		They knew who I was.
		There's no question about that.
		They admitted it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Now weren't you offered the job at the book building too?
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		I was actually offered a higher job than he has.
		He's the archivist.
		I was offered the job as director.
		But they made it very, very clear to me that I would have to sell out, and I could not talk about the conspiracy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And folks, that's when you know this is real.
		I have been approached many times.
		I mean, this is real, folks.
		Please continue.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's it.
		I just absolutely refused to do it.
		My integrity meant more to me than the money that they offered me, which at the time, I believe, if I remember correctly, was $180,000 a year.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Unbelievable. When did they offer you that?
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Oh gosh, that was about 20 years ago.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Jim, your take on all of this and on this individual?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well let me tell you this.
		I'm looking at a copy of a publication called Cover-Ups, October 1982, and the editor and publisher is Gary Mack, the same Gary Mack who was on the program Sunday night and who is now a curator at the Sixth Floor Museum.
		And on the front page of Cover-Ups, Edited and published by Gary Mack, we have a picture of what has become known as the Badge Man.
		And this is a figure firing a rifle or some weapon that is taken from the Mary Mormon photograph, which he published right here on the cover of Cover-Up.
		And the figure is to the north of the southwest corner of the picket fence on the grassy knoll.
		And this was his own publication.
		Now, on Sunday night's program, he takes us far to the west of the corner of the fence, the totally opposite direction of where this badge man photograph is, and makes a big deal out of saying, there's nothing here, folks.
		We've checked, and there was no shot from the grassy knoll.
		Has Jerry forgotten that it was his own work and his own story that points out the badge man who's in the opposite direction of what he pointed out Sunday night?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely. Just watching his body language.
		They all had guilty smiles on their faces.
		Cheshire Cat smiles.
		It just oozed.
		And that's why the people commenting on the Discovery Channel website were throwing up.
		A great point that Jim makes.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Robert? Well, hey, let me add something here, too, that you probably don't know, Alex.
		And I'm not even sure if Robert knows this.
		But the point is, is that any time you do a study of what happened in Daly Plaza, You've got to have absolutely 100% accurate data about the topography of Dealey Plaza.
		You've got to have the distances right.
		You've got to have the elevations right.
		If it's off even an inch somewhere, then a few feet out, you're going to be off by a mile.
		You know, it's got to be accurate.
		So how do we know what the topography and what the numbers are for Dealey Plaza?
		Well, in May of 1964, the Dallas County Surveyor Robert West and his associate Chester Brenneman were hired by the Warren Commission to do survey work in Dealey Plaza based on every frame from the Zapruder film.
		And they did their job, and they did all the distances, and they did all the elevations, and both of those men years ago told me, and I can verify this because I have a copy of their original plat map, that the Warren Commission altered They're numbers.
		They changed the frame numbers.
		They changed the numbers.
		So anybody doing a computer simulation or a reenactment in Dealey Plaza using the numbers from the Warren Commission, it's gonna be off.
		they are not going to be correct and you can't pay any attention.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Robert, comment on that.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Chester Brenneman, the man who was just mentioned by Jim a moment ago, testified that his numbers and his measurements were changed.
		And he was scared out of his wits because he was afraid that something was going to happen to him if he were to speak out about it.
		Eventually he did, and what Jim says is absolutely correct.
		One thing that is for sure, too, is that the way they positioned the model in the show the other night was way off, absolutely way off, both for angle and for position.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Robert, stay there.
		Long segment coming up.
		We'll come right back to you to continue along that line of discussion.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Jim Mars and Robert Rodin are our guests.
		If I could twist their arm to stay another 20-30 minutes into the next hour, we'll take your calls.
		But I forgot to ask them during the break, so we'll ask them next break if they want to do that.
		Robert, start over.
		You got cut off by the break again with the line that you were discussing about how they'd altered How the Warren Commission had gone in and changed and altered the surveys that they commissioned.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Well, Jim had brought up the subject and he's absolutely right.
		Chester Brenneman went on record, and actually there are sworn affidavits by him saying how they changed the numbers, they altered the directions, they altered the I think.
		the measurements, which throws everything off.
		You'd think that, say, a quarter of an inch difference in the back of the president's head might not be so much, but it really is because, as Jim pointed out again, when you go backwards, the farther away you get from the target, the greater the distance becomes. Now, when they fired the shots, they fired three shots at the dummy's head on the show.
		The first one was from the front, and it was a soft-nosed bullet, and it literally ripped the entire head off.
		That never happens in real life, no matter what.
		You know, you might have a great deal of damage, but it never blows the entire head completely off.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Because the skin is all bound and connected with tissue to the bone, so it may be like a big pop balloon, but still the head doesn't completely blow off.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Exactly. That was the first one.
		Second one fired from the front was a Carcano type bullet, and it entered the head approximately three and a half to four inches too far to the front of the head at a head that was angled far more to the counterclockwise than it should have been.
		That's why when it exited, it exited from the side instead of the back.
		The present was hit much farther to the rear of the head, although it came from the front, it hit on the side.
		And that's the semantics of the whole thing.
		He wasn't hit in the front.
		He was hit from the front.
		The third shot that they fired was from behind.
		They hit four inches too high, and the damage on the prosthetic dummy that they were using was totally dissimilar to the actual autopsy evidence.
		The autopsy photographs and the description of the Dallas doctors does not match at all.
		Well, what happened to the dummy in their show?
		And of course they never bothered to mention that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And then they, and I want both of you to comment on this, they wouldn't show the Subruder film, they would show a computer rendering of it, which in reality, because I went and pulled up the film, was different.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		You're absolutely right.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Can you speak to that?
unidentified		Absolutely right.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Well, you see, what they claim is, they claim that the Subruder film offend the uh...
		sensitivities uh...
		or sensibilities of the uh...
		of the audience that's absurd it's absolutely ridiculous we see more gruesome stuff than that on t.v.
		every day and in movies every day and here we're talking about the single most important piece of evidence that we've got and they pretend that it's not important enough to show that that's absolutely absurd they know darn well that when you compare the Zapruder film or the uh...
		or the uh...
		mormon photograph to the to their recreation that they don't match at all jaleck yeah uh...
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		number one we don't even have to trust the uh...
		statements of just a problem and and uh...
		and which by the way was confirmed to me also by the dallas cali surveyor or westy he also told me if they had altered their numbers but we don't have to trust their testimony chester bruneman allowed me to make a copy of their original plat map And all you have to do is compare their graph numbers with the Warren Commission Exhibit 884, and you can tell that they're not the same.
		They altered it, but here's something else.
		Also, on their map, they took note of the two yellow marks on the curb.
		Uh, that's a whole interesting thing, which happened to bracket right where the headshot was.
		And many people, particularly, uh, sniper experts, feel like that these two yellow paint marks, uh, were distance indicators for shooters to know exactly where the distance was where the headshot was to take place.
		They also marked the area of a bullet shot on the curb on the south side of Elm Street.
		They also made a notation That where the first shot struck in the limousine up on Elm Street, they said this area hid behind tree for any shot from the depository as of this date, May 1964.
		All of these notations were deleted by the Warren Commission when they published their map.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's evidence of guilt right there, is the continual ongoing cover-up at thousands of different points.
		I mean, it's just one huge saga, but going back to the psychology, and I want to ask both of you this, both Robert Grodin and Jim Mars, probably the two most nominal people on the JFK assassination and the ensuing cover-up, Going back to one of your former colleagues, how did they get him to join the dark side?
		I mean, Robert was talking about Empire Strikes Back.
		It's like this guy was Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Show him the money.
		Show him the money.
		I don't know what made him sell out, but he did.
		I mean, here's a guy who literally has done nothing on his own on this case.
		He carried a message from one researcher to the House Assassinations Committee.
		He took credit for the work of two other people.
		He claims to have discovered the badge man that Jim just mentioned before.
		In fact, it was President Carter's sister, Ruth Stapleton, who found the badge man initially.
		And that was in Denver.
		i was there when she did it well uh...
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		you know he's one of the top guys and now at the little brainwashing museum for that he's the official story there and school kids for every day and the college students in the police and the rest of them uh...
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		you know in the police academy work and then robert you're out there better your rain or shine and generally on the grass you know when you run into him what do you say to him over the years We rarely do run into each other.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		When we do, I guess we're as courteous as we can be.
		It's changing very rapidly because the sixth floor has done everything that they can through the years to try to get people on the other side of the issue out of Dealey Plaza.
		I mean, I've been arrested, I've been thrown in jail, I've been ticketed 80 times, harassed over 400 times, one time they even sent in Homeland Security with machine guns to try to get rid of me.
		And, you know, it hasn't worked.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		trying can you imagine what the founding fathers would say they could see all of this this country and look how guilty they acted uh...
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		and we're sure a major researcher you know you and jim i were the big advisors and the course yourself there on the ground for the j_f_k_ film you written all these books you're the guy that brought the subruder film and all of this but not the cops are sorry we're just gonna rush to it anybody else can stand out here saying what they want but you robert groden you can't Jim Mars, have you ever been harassed out there?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		No, I can't say that I have.
		Of course, I don't go and hang around Dee Dee Plaza much myself.
		I did that enough years and years ago.
		In fact, I have a photograph that I took from the 6th floor window before they built the 6th floor up there.
		If you go to the Sixth Floor Museum, you'll notice that they claim that we're not trying to make any statement here.
		We don't take a position on what happened to Kennedy, but they have plexiglassed off that whole corner there and put boxes up and left the window a little bit open, and they've set the whole sniper's nest stage there as is to say, well, here's where it happened, folks, and here's what it was.
		But of course, nobody from the public, in fact, In fact, they wouldn't even let Oliver Stone go up and film from the sixth floor window.
		Because when you stand in that window and you look down to the street, you realize that there's a tree blocking the line of sight.
		You can't see what's going on.
		But let me tell you one story.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me just throw something in real fast.
		You know, back 20-something years ago, that's what woke up Colonel Craig Roberts.
		Well, I don't know of any firearms expert,
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		an expert in sniping, Who buys the idea that Oswald was able to squeeze off three shots in six seconds with this really bad Italian war rifle that had a misaligned scope.
		People don't pay any attention to that either.
		Ronald Simmons of the Army's Ballistic Test Center told the Warren Commission they had to put three metal shims under the scope of the Oswald rifle just to make it accurate enough to test.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Alright, let me stop you right there.
		That brings up You know, to both of you, but first, Robert, the Dallas Morning News a month ago came out and said, oh, evidence, you know, that this isn't the bullet that did it, or we've now had Los Alamos Laboratories come out and the Army did tests, and so we're seeing sectors of the government coming out and overturning what had done previously.
		A, what do these new developments mean, and then B, how is this coming from the government of all places?
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, People like Jim and myself have always realized that the issues of the ballistics evidence were invalid.
		The way they were testing, the type of testing they were doing, could prove a negative, but could never prove a positive.
		That's the whole point.
		Yet the Warren Commission claimed that it did in fact prove a positive, and it never did.
		What they dealt with was the makeup of bullet fragments.
		of the makeup they tested for something like twenty odd different uh...
		pieces of metal types of metal the only one of all of them became even close with antimony and it wasn't even right on they said that since one of all of these different elements match close close enough they said it came from the same bullet in fact nothing could be farther from the truth If they found nothing, they could prove that it did not.
		But the test itself never proves that it did.
		But now the government is finally admitting that.
		And people that have been convicted on that kind of evidence are now having their cases totally reviewed all over the place.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was bringing this up to the director of the film, as you said, who specializes in these fraudulent science hit pieces.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think, Alex, you're missing the point here.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		I think the point of a program like this on the Discovery Channel It's People like you and like Robert and people who know the case,
		they know that's not going to sway our opinions.
		What they're hoping to do, and it's the same thing they do with their control over the corporate mass media, which is to put out soundbites and headlines and these special channel programs, hoping to keep the controversy going.
		They're going to have a whole new generation of Americans who don't know squat about the assassination, and they watch the Discovery Program, and they go, oh, well, I guess it is possible that Oswald did it all by himself.
		And the case continues in controversy, which has been the method of cover-up from the get-go.
		There's never been a lack of evidence.
		There's simply been obfuscation.
		They throw so much crap at us.
		No, I understand.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They put it into a process of debate and discussion where you're always...
		Well, it's the same thing with the North American Union.
		It's an official government document.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, same thing with 9-11.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, but I mean, just briefly fleshing this out.
		It's in the official documents.
		They signed it.
		It's in the Canadian papers.
		They're merging our militaries.
		Bush gets up and has press conferences on C-SPAN saying we're already merging with Europe.
		The transatlantic treaty agreement.
		But then when they go on our news they say it doesn't exist and then we always have a debate about whether it exists or not instead of having a debate about do we want to be under this North American Union.
		Robert Grodin.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Well, absolutely.
		You know, it's propaganda and disinformation and what they do is they just confuse the average member of the public.
		But in spite of all that they do, in spite of the power that they have over the press, the control over the press, the disinformation they put out, still 90% of the American people or greater always believe that there was, in fact, a conspiracy.
		part of the debate, the biggest part that people are not really sure of for the people out there is whether Lee Oswald was part of this conspiracy or not.
		But they understand that there was a conspiracy.
		even the government admitted that nineteen uh...
		nineteen seventy nine I'm sorry, you know, when the House committee, when the House Assassination Committee wrote their report, the last official word on this, they said that there was a conspiracy.
		And in fact, that stands to this day.
		Yet the national news media just avoids it like crazy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what they do.
		They lie by omission and, you know, that's why I refused to do the interview.
		But of course, you offered to be interviewed by me.
		I mean, you tried to warn them, Robert, and obviously they didn't want to hear from you, as you said earlier.
		But I guess they thought that...
		How do you think they were going to come at me?
		I mean, I'm interested at that.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, their concept is to ridicule anyone who tries to tell the truth.
		No, I was a witness at the second O.J. Simpson trial.
		As to specific photographic evidence, not to whether O.J. was guilty or not.
		That had nothing to do with it.
		Yet, an element of the Sixth Floor Museum constantly brings up, well, Groton testified for O.J. Simpson.
		He's gotta be crazy.
		Well, you know, I wasn't paid for it.
		The Sixth Floor says, oh, Groton did it for money.
		He did it for money.
		I didn't.
		I never got paid for it.
		And that wasn't the issue.
		The issue was that here's a guy who was in the same position Uh, that Lee Harvey Oswald appeared to be in.
		And I thought, well, you know, I've got proof that one particular photograph is a fake.
		I don't know whether O.J. did it or not.
		I never testified to that.
		What I testified to is that they had a phony photograph, which was created by the National Enquirer, accorded it to his own lawyers.
		Uh, paid $18,000 for it, had it done in Europe, and made millions selling their rag.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And then, of course, the cops also got caught with the blood additive in the blood sample.
		Exactly. He had planted blood.
		So, I mean, we're not weighing in for O.J., folks.
		The guy's obviously out of his mind.
		The point is, they tried to frame him, and so that's why he ended up getting off.
		You know, even if you think somebody's guilty, you can't frame them, folks.
		And so all Grodin did was go and document that was a fake photo.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Right. Well, you're right about the EDTPA that was in the blood samples.
		There was also blood spatter evidence there, too, which proves Oh, by the way, as far as blood spatter evidence goes, on the show that they used, they were talking about blood spatter, which they never actually get a chance to really test.
		Let me give you a quote.
		This quote is from a book.
		It's THE textbook on blood spatter.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Stay there.
		Stay there.
		We'll get it after the break with Robert Grodin and Jim Mars.
		Give you both of them's websites, books, videos, all available there.
		Just the premier experts on this.
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		Both men, Robert and Jim, Jim, first, plug your website, your books, your videos, your materials.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can go to jimmars.com.
		That's J-I-M-M-A-R-R-S dot com.
		I've got a brand new book out right now, just hit, and it's already rising up the charts at Amazon.com called Above Top Secret.
		And in there, I tackle 25 of the biggest mysteries, conspiracies going on right now, and including a whole chapter on who killed JFK.
		Now, if you want to get behind and get to the highest levels of who's behind the Kennedy assassination, you need to read my also recent book, The Rise of the Fourth Reich, which I believe is available on Alex Jones'site.
		And then for those of you listening who have a copy of my book, Crossfire, I am going to the conference in Dallas this weekend, and I'm going to have a number of new subject and name index for Crossfire.
		And once you have this, you'll be able to move through there.
		You'll find out things that you either forgot or never knew.
		For example, there was an attorney who overheard Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald plotting to kill Governor Connolly and reported this to the Texas authorities weeks before the Kennedy assassination.
		Who knew that?
		It's all there.
		It's in Crossfire, and with the new index, you can find everything you want to find.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, and folks, do go to InfoWars.com and get his Rise of the Fourth Reich book, because if you want to understand, we're not saying they're German Nazis running America.
		We're saying those ideas came from England and the United States, that COG form of shadow government.
		That is who is in control today, and that's why they're setting up this fascist system.
		So please get Well, my website is JFKMurder.com.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Virtually everything that I've got is on there, that which is still available.
		The big thing isn't out yet.
		The new book is called JFK Absolute Proof.
		The book itself is finished, but it's not indexed and it's not proofread yet.
		So it'll be quite some time until it's ready, but when it is, it will be available.
		Now, my website is a free website.
		You can go there any time you want to, there's no charge.
		And as soon as it's available, it'll be announced on the site.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		By the way, I've seen some of the stuff that's in it that people have.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, man, I hope you got your door locked at night, bud, with the photos you've got.
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they're not here, believe me.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it is unbelievable.
		Oh, my goodness.
		Jim, I know you've probably seen those photos, too.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's just...
		Robert, I...
		Last time you wouldn't answer us, but where on...
		I mean, how do you get all this?
		How do you get the subrooter?
		How do you get...
		The other photos, I mean all the others, I guess you just have the sources?
robert j groden ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's absolutely no single point for all of these things.
		The different things came from different places.
		And through the years, when I became known as the photo guy in the Kennedy case because of my release of the Zapruder film on Goodnight America, People started coming to me.
		They wanted to see if I could find more stuff in their photographs and their films.
		And I always did the work for them for free.
		I never charged them a penny for it.
		But the deal was that I would have to be able to keep copies and release them when the time was right.
		And that's what I've done.
		I've released the films of the assassination and through these three books, Well, I wrote High Treason.
		High Treason had 186 photographs in it, but then I did The Killing of a President, which had 600 photographs.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Okay, back in one minute.
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