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Alright, we've only got him for about 15 minutes.
alex jones
Very busy.
And so we're going to come in hot here directly to our first guest of the day.
I'll tell you about the other guest, the news we'll be covering after he leaves us in about 16 minutes.
He is Congressman Ron Paul, here to talk about the economic implosion, the depression that's developing on Main Street as the banks worldwide are setting up a world monetary system.
Congressman, thank you for joining us on this 17th day of October.
ron paul
Nice to be with you again.
alex jones
You've got the floor, sir.
You're the expert on this.
What are we facing right now?
ron paul
Well, it looks like it's all downhill from now on because what Washington's doing is exactly wrong.
They're supposed to allow adjustments to come once they realize they've messed up the economy, but instead they're just doing more of the same.
I saw an article this morning that tells you how desperate they are.
It was on Reuters, and a lot of this stuff is getting in the main street now and talking about how bad these things are.
Well, I've always said that the amount that we'll inject here will have promises over $5 trillion.
And I was on CNN this morning and I told them, I said, you know, if that could solve the problem, I said, we would never have to work again.
Just print money.
But obviously it doesn't solve the problem.
And, you know, even if it temporarily helps the market or calms the markets or increases the value of the dollar, it's all temporary because everything we've done for decades has been inflationary.
This is just excessive inflation of the money supply, and this is going to be harmful to us.
We need to go back to work again, and that's the part that people don't like.
They think that the government can take care of us from cradle to grave, and that we never have to worry.
They always say, the government's going to take care of us, but they never ask, who's the government?
There's a contest going on between us who believe in freedom and hard work and savings and all.
There is a free lunch, but I think we're in transition now because our numbers are growing because the people who have for so long believed the government could take care of them are starting to realize they can't trust the government.
So, to me, it's a bit of an opportunity for us to present our case, but it's going to be a tough struggle.
alex jones
Well, you've always talked about when the crisis of the Central Banking Fractional Reserve System came to a head, and you predicted in Bastrop, Texas, four years ago that it would happen by 2007-2008.
You were right.
Uh, that there would be a contest between those that want an all-powerful, uh, omnipresent Soviet-style state, uh, you know, claiming that's the solution, more of what they brought us, versus true free market.
And I see the media, uh, a lot of the media trying to claim capitalism, or free market did this, when that's not what it is, is it, Congressman?
ron paul
Yeah, and that's probably the most detrimental, uh, thought that's floating around out there.
But that's what happened in the Depression.
That was the first initial, uh, surge toward, uh, socialism, was they blamed the, Yeah.
I don't know And
yet we too often as a people accept this idea that there is a free lunch, but things are changing and yet the opposition are laying their plans as well.
That's why I fear the fact that they might come up with this idea of a one single world central bank.
alex jones
Well that's exactly what they're now proposing.
For decades we've warned people that when this monetary crisis came from their fraudulent crony system that this would happen.
And that is now being proposed.
I have scores of mainstream articles in the last week where they're calling for globalization, standardization of currencies.
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alex jones
All right, Ron Paul is our guest for about seven, eight more minutes here today.
I appreciate him joining us.
Congressman, in the last segment you were talking about calls for a new global financial order.
You said they would do that about a month ago.
They have called for that.
In the scores of publications, here's a headline, calls for new global financial order increase.
We all still have our currency by name, but a private group of bankers Uh, we'll actually set that, uh, monetary, uh, value.
They're talking about a global carbon tax being a new fractional, uh, bubble where we will buy our carbon taxes from the private banks.
I mean, this is world government of and by the central banks.
ron paul
Yeah, there's no doubt about it, and they're doing it through the financial system.
We call it socialism, and it is a form of socialism, but it's closer to fascism, you know, because big business and big government are our partners in this deal.
So it's a little bit different than the communism and Sweden Socialism.
But I think this has been going on, as you I'm sure agree, it's been going on for a long time.
But I think what's really happening today is that we're at the end stages of the monetary system that evolved out of the breakdown of Bretton Woods in 1971.
And it's lasted an amazingly long period of time, 37 years.
That's pretty good for a total fiat currency.
But it has to be revamped.
They're talking about liquidity crises and tight credit here in this country and around the world.
But what they're not saying is that the dollar reserve standard is done for, and they're just lining up now to see who the most powerful special interests are.
Even though we talk about the special interests and the powerful influential people, but I'm sure there's a contest going on there.
Some win and some lose, and there are contests between these groups.
But they're lining them up, and the central banks have talked for a long time to each other.
This is why I'm going to work harder next year, although I've had this before, is even though we can't get rid of the Fed in a day, we need to have more transparency.
We need an audit of the Fed.
And the one top-secret thing that they have at the Fed are the conversations they have with other central bankers of the world.
If we knew everything the Fed was doing and saying, everything that President Trump was Well, that was my next question.
alex jones
This week, even MSNBC's reported secret meetings with Paulson and the top ten banking heads where they're handing them hundreds of billions of dollars apiece, including money the brokerage firm Goldman Sachs With an inner group of Goldman Sachs, Kashkari, and, of course, Paulson running it.
I mean, that's beyond conflict of interest and insider trading.
I mean, should Congress call for a public investigation of that?
ron paul
Well, absolutely.
And, you know, you would think that the opposition party, if that's what you call it, the Democrats, when the Republicans have the presidency, that they would do that.
But, you know, when it comes to a bailout, where is Pelosi?
When it comes to funding the war, where is Pelosi and her people?
Very supportive of it.
So whether it's working your way into the system and being Secretary-Treasurer for a Republican or Democrat, it's the same.
If you're the Speaker of the House, whether you're a Republican or Democrat, you still have to be on the inside.
So there's really not much of a chance for oversight.
All we can do is demand it, alert the people, and try to let the people know exactly what's going on.
alex jones
congressman isn't the good news though they were getting thousand one phone calls according to many congressmen and the press and then senators uh...
against the banker takeover empowerment immunity bill as it should properly be called and and so we can be saying there are people don't know what's going on but really they are waking up to the line showing how you have both parties working for the international You know, it's very encouraging.
ron paul
We won that first vote.
The people spoke out.
They knew what was going on.
Then the next step was the special interest came in.
They had the money.
They twisted the arm and they badgered, and we had 57 individuals switch their votes.
But the next step should be, if the people really wake up, is throw their rascals out, especially.
Actually, if you take 57 of those guys and switch votes, if there was ever a group that should be targeted, they should all lose their elections just for switching their votes and not even defending what they're doing.
It's a tough job to win these elections, but hopefully we see a lot of incumbents lose, both Republicans and Democrats.
alex jones
Congressman Ron Paul, briefly, studying history, being a monetary researcher yourself, what An award-winning researcher in this.
What will this hyperinflation, most experts saying 25-30% compounded by next year, we're about 14% now, people on fixed incomes, a real depression in the economy with hyperinflation on top of it, really never before seen since Weimar.
What is that going to look like on the street?
ron paul
Well, it's going to be pretty rough and that's why people say that the inner cities could be really in turmoil by that time.
But it's also the reason our government has put I think so.
There's many people prepared.
The more people who can take care of themselves and be self-sustainable, the better.
But ultimately, we have to win the intellectual fight and convince people that freedom is better than socialism.
alex jones
Alright, Congressman, two final questions.
Congressman Brad Sherman came on this show last week and said that they were threatened with physical, now Glenn Beck's covered it, martial law.
I didn't hear about them, so I can't verify them.
ron paul
I'm not totally surprised.
I'm a little bit surprised that they were that much in the open, but I don't think many of us would be surprised if they're not preparing for that.
I mean, we see it at times of, you know, like hurricanes, like we saw in New Orleans, and we see a little bit of that even in my district now coming out of the stormwater.
Ike. There's some authoritarian approaches in some of our areas.
So no, the atmosphere is set for that and it's a consequence of so much that we've done incorrectly since 9-11.
We've given up so much of our freedom.
The military state is available there for Yeah, and that will destroy confidence right there of their food riots.
alex jones
and then the socialism isn't going to be able to pay for it with worthless dollars.
Final question.
He's on record.
Barack Obama has now come out, and I believe they're both horrible, just like you've stated.
You're saying vote for the Constitution Party.
Uh, because both are, you know, basically, uh, uh, collectivists.
But, but Barack Obama is saying he will declare CO2 a toxic waste.
And you were joking during the break with me.
You said, well, what are the plants going to breathe?
But there, obviously, that's a tax on breathing.
According to the New York Times, this is the, this is the collectivist, uh, elitist, uh, dream, is it not?
ron paul
Yeah, it sure is.
It's just an excuse.
They've used the environment to socialize this country and scare and terrify people.
But, you know, every time we exhale, we exhale CO2.
So, uh, How are you going to tell where the CO2 is coming from?
But, you know, it is not to ignore the fact that pollution is bad.
We shouldn't do it.
But we don't need the federal government.
We don't need these regulations.
If somebody is, you know, contaminating your breathing space and your air, there's a perfectly good way of dealing with that through property rights.
You should never be able to buy the right to pollute.
So true pollution shouldn't be up for sale.
And yet, at the same time, we get hysterical and worry about this overdose.
alex jones
Absolutely, Congressman.
You've got so many websites affiliated.
What's the best one for people to visit?
Absolutely. Congressman, thank you so much for spending time with us.
How's the family doing?
Alright, tell them I said hi and take care, sir.
Alright, there goes Congressman Ron Paul with us for about 18 minutes of the radio transmission today.
For those that don't know, carbon dioxide is one of the four basic ingredients of life.
Sunlight, water, carbon dioxide, and oxygen.
If you don't have those, you have nothing.
And this is a total tax on life and on every facet of our civilization and society.
And I see the religionists, that's what they are.
We're talking about building this global utopian society around a carbon tax and the new bureaucrats that are going to micromanage our lives.
That certainly isn't the withering away of the state, is it?
It is the ballooning of the state and all the nightmares, the CPS kidnapping children, the society breaking down, the forced inoculations.
It's all a byproduct of the social engineers.
It's all a byproduct of the eugenicist, of the theosophic society.
This is what they push.
They're gonna wither away that state after they first grow the state.
And, uh, it's all funded by the big elite banks because they are, uh, they cynically know the public wants to hear about a free lunch.
Well, there is no such thing as a free lunch.
There's a lot of well-meaning, bleeding hearts out there who I know are good people.
Just like I know family I've got that literally worship George W. Bush.
Not my close family, but some cousins and people.
And I just feel sorry for them because they will get hateful.
They will argue with me.
They will tell me I'm wrong.
They'll tell me I'm a communist.
Just like liberals will call me a closed-minded, you know, idiot, right-winger.
I'm not.
I'm somebody who studied human dynamics, society, how things operate, how humans behave.
And I know what the elite are pushing.
I know there are scams.
I know there are different programs of control.
And all we try to do is tell the truth here and give people the best information that we can.
Are we perfect?
Certainly not.
But there's no doubt that this is collectivism, this is the New World Order, this is social engineering, this is serfdom, this is slavery.
Christopher Ketchum's joining us, expert on the surveillance grid, the core system, the Israeli spy rings, all of it, coming up in T-minus 40 minutes.
Pat Carmack, the producer of The Money Masters, will be joining us for a couple hours to talk about the financial crisis taking place.
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Say that joke.
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Here's an example.
I was talking to a neighbor today, out in our front yards this morning, and she said, Alex, you know, I've seen you a few times on TV, heard your show a few times, You know, I agree with a lot of what you have to say, but I can't believe that something I heard you mention one of the few times I tuned in just happened to me.
You know, my son's a sixth grader.
He's never even been to the principal's office.
He's always had, you know, straight A's, and then he's been talking a few times in class, and The teacher, according to him, and she said, I believe him.
By the way, I've talked to the child.
He's pretty nice.
A few times, you know, running around the neighborhood.
A whole bunch of the children in their class are given tickets by the police officer.
The police officers that are all over the little prison.
And then she said, you know, what do I do?
I guess they're just telling me just pay the ticket.
And she said, but I, you know, she went further and said, but isn't there a judge?
You know, this is a middle class person.
I said, well, of course you have due process.
And then you could demand a jury from that judge.
But she said, yeah, but I got the ticket.
So see, that violates due process.
I mean, the law on so many fronts to give a parent a ticket for something their child did and being disruptive in class.
Talking in class.
Now, notice the state says, don't spank your children or we'll seize them from you.
And they're five times more likely to actually physically abuse them in their system.
But there's no law actually against corporal punishment discipline, but they'll still seize your children when there is no law.
Kind of like they'll seize your children when there is no law to take vaccines.
It's all colored of law.
See how lawless that is?
And then by the time they get to the police station, they'll always find something else to charge you with.
So I had to sit there in the front yard and explain to her for about five minutes that here's the Constitution, here's the Bill of Rights.
You ever watch Perry Mason?
You get to challenge your accusers.
It gets to be brought out.
Is that applicable in the code for talking to charge someone for being disruptive?
i.e.
disorderly conduct?
No, it's a fraud!
But the state, at every level, is attempting to force things on the people that are completely and totally tyrannical.
They prey on the public.
The system feeds on the public.
Fences around the schools, I.D. cards, drug dogs being frisked, drug tested now.
When the government ships the illegal drugs in, Controls them, and then pushes legal, dangerous pharmaceuticals, whose molecular makeup is in most cases more dangerous than the most deadly narcotics?
It's a joke!
I mean, they're bankrupt!
Intellectually! Morally!
Financially! I mean, the government is a pack of corrupt criminals!
That's the bottom line!
Are there some good people in there?
Yes! But the system itself is bad!
It's predatory!
It preys on us!
So I sat there and explained to her the most rudimentary basics, and that's how they're able to prey on people, because I know in Houston, and I've seen stories all over the country, but right here in Texas, I remember seeing a story six, seven, eight years ago.
This is about eight years ago, where if you don't do your homework, they quote, find the parents.
Well, there's no law there.
The truancy law, you know, says so many days missed, but they misappropriate the law, misapply it, and say, oh, well, we're going to say that's truancy, and the parents don't know, and they get a $500 ticket.
She got a $500 ticket for her son talking in class.
Instead of being taken to the office and getting some pops, or the choice.
You can take three licks, or you can go run around the football stadium until you throw up, or up and down the bleachers.
Something good?
Teach you some discipline?
No, we're going to get you into the criminal system.
We're going to fine your mother.
And we're going to break the law of misapplying that.
That's racketeering in these schools.
That's what it is when an organized group of people engage in fraud and lies and deceit to coerce things out of people.
It's racketeering.
Period! Lying and saying it's the law, you've got to take vaccines is racketeering.
There is no law.
We're trying to pass one in New Jersey, trying to pass one, some in England, trying to pass some in Europe, Australia, trying to pass some in D.C., but that's, you know, they haven't, even when you read those laws, it reads like it's the law, but you'll notice it isn't.
So, you have to fight this stuff.
They don't just get to hand you fines, and then say there's nothing you can do.
They're lying.
They know they're lying.
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He's going to be on next time, Monday or Tuesday.
Surveillance grid, the core system, as it's called.
The fact that most of it is run by a foreign government.
We cover a lot of that in Fabled Enemies, i.e.
Israel. But his flight is delayed and he doesn't think he'll be able to make it until later in the show and then we already have guests set up then.
So we'll move Journalist Christopher Ketchum, award-winning journalist about Israeli backdoor technology penetrating the U.S. government's telecom system and the main court system.
That is too bad.
I was really looking forward to that, but hey, we'll do it next week.
Or we can hope his flights aren't delayed too much and cancel Pat Carmack, but I just don't want to do that.
I don't want to get into the financial stuff, but we will cover that next week.
Don't want to penalize the other guest.
I've been working to get Christopher Ketchum on for months.
Guy's hard to get on.
By the way, there's some really big guests next week.
And no, it's not Willie Nelson.
Willie Nelson is on the show next week.
Talked to him yesterday.
He's got to check some more of his schedule.
But he's going to be on the show next week.
Talk about a host of issues.
And yeah, I'm going to be speaking at a very special event.
It's the last time they'll be at the Backyard.
It's been there for almost 30 years down in the Texas Hill Country outside Austin.
Jesse Ventura is coming in Saturday.
We'll be interviewing him, hanging out with him, going out to Willie's World Headquarters and doing an interview with the two of them together.
That should be extremely interesting.
On 9-11 Truth and a lot more, and then we're going to have some speeches and stream it live and free over the Internet on my servers at Infowars.com or PrisonPlanet.com next week.
It'll be technical about 9 days from now.
There's confusion about this.
I've even told my family repeatedly and they don't seem to understand.
So before I get into the other news and take your calls, let me be clear.
We're going to now have calls all throughout the next hour.
Plenty of time now to get to Matt who disagrees, you go to the headline, Alex Jeff, another Matt, James, and others.
Willie Nelson was on this show a few months ago and a caller called in and said you want to have a big 9-11 truth concert and a benefit for first responders but then the issue came up of trying to rent a fairgrounds or a big place and then if it's free how do you give money to first responders and then we looked at Willie's works hard I mean he's making two movies right now he's touring about 20 days a month And he's also got some young,
young children.
Well, he's a busy fella.
What a renaissance man.
And, uh, so I set up some, uh, I set up a date.
It was going to be out of Travis County Fairgrounds.
Overlooking, you look down and see the skyline.
50,000 people could have got in.
And just, there weren't the dates this year to get it done.
He was going to have to come into town.
He's playing for a cancer benefit.
Uh, he's playing for a couple other benefits.
And there just wasn't really the time to do it, uh, unless he, you know, flew in on one day to do it sometime in October.
So he said, look, let's just do this.
And he said, in the future, we'll do a bigger event.
Lord knows it'll need to be done.
Anti-war 9-11 truth.
He said, just, um, you and Ventura come and speak at my event, The Last Backyard, before they move it to a bigger venue.
It holds about, I don't know, seven, eight thousand.
You can cram more than that in, but the point is, by the time I even knew about this a month and a half ago, you know, when we switched it, his events pretty much all sell out.
It was already like 98% sold out, you know, because it's not a benefit.
It's one of his concerts.
And so we're streaming it out live over the web for free for everybody.
That's the event.
Now you can get tickets from scalpers out there.
But, um, I mean, that's basically it if you physically want to get there.
I kind of waited too late to get tickets for family because, I mean, they're giving me like 10 tickets or passes.
Because Willie's got like 150 guests.
I mean, backstage is going to be insane.
And, uh, so, I mean, I've even bought a few tickets for, well, for Ted Anderson and his wife.
I mean, it's that packed, ladies and gentlemen, and I had to buy tickets because I've got Quite a crew.
I don't even think I have 10. It's something like I can have 10 people total and maybe even less now because it's so packed and you know the fire marshal And yeah, there's supposedly gonna be some other big celebrity guests there Probably speaking out against the whole new world order system.
I'm gonna leave that alone though.
I'm not gonna say their names But that is coming up Not this Sunday, but next Sunday, and we're gonna be out there Streaming live over the web for everybody at InfoWars.com.
It's going to be free.
It's going to be there.
And it's going to cost us a lot of money to send it out.
Willie was offering to pay for it.
I said, no, I'll pay for it.
And you know, it's just an interesting event.
So, so that's, that's basically it.
I always tell things in too much detail.
What does it matter?
I could have simplified that, but I have simplified it a few times and talked about it and people didn't understand.
So it's simple.
We announced this big giant event.
And there just wasn't time to do that, because things are scheduled out six months a year in advance.
Farm Aid's scheduled out, you know, a year in advance, what they're going to have and what they're going to do.
And so we're having this event.
So there you go, ladies and gentlemen.
I'm just thinking how strange it is, growing up, never imagining I'd be, uh, not just hanging out with Willie Nelson, but Jesse Ventura at the same time, and talking about government-sponsored terrorism and the New World Order.
It is, truth is truly stranger than fiction.
I told you some of the other people that are coming at it now.
It's pretty interesting, but that doesn't matter really compared to all, as interesting as that is, we have this global financial meltdown happening, we have this new world order taking over, we have the social engineering going into the next phase, I mean we face a lot of really serious obstacles, but the good news is As more prominent people that have a lot to lose speak up and say really bold things.
Like 9-11's an inside job that blew the buildings up.
Whether it's an Italian president or a German defense minister or a best actress this year or Rick Linklater.
Across the political spectrum, that really shows other people courage and allows us to have a mass awakening to government-sponsored terror and then to other staged events like the controlled financial implosion.
That we are witnessing.
And so it's a gauge.
You know, it's a gauge by how many prominent people on all spectrum, all areas of the political spectrum, are now awake to world government.
And what's happening.
And then the left-right paradigm is shattering.
That's why the establishment loves Barack Obama so much.
And understand, I'm not making a judgment.
I don't hate Barack Obama or John McCain.
They're pathetic puppets.
I just know that there are articles and headlines where there are mainstream media saying, Barack Obama is their Jesus, and, you know, change we can believe in, everything's gonna be like heaven now, Valhalla.
And I'm sorry, he's bought and paid for by the New World Order.
He's gonna bring in world taxation, world regulation, and hand everything over to the private central banks.
That's what the carbon tax is.
They've proposed it, they've said it.
We told you they'd implode the economy.
Call for world standardization of currency and a global carbon tax, and regulators in your house every week.
Controlling every facet of what you do.
And they're doing it!
And I'm sorry, a lot of you want to get suckered and believe Barack Obama's going to save you.
He's not going to save you, John McCain's not going to save you, because they don't run anything.
The only reason Barack Obama matters is that he is able to sucker people when John McCain isn't.
He's better at suckering people, because people look on the surface, oh, his daddy's a black man.
And then now there's all these headlines where people are being told, and it really is happening, well, if you're not for Barack Obama, you're a racist, or if you wear a John McCain shirt, you're a racist.
And so I guess in the future, we can only have black presidents, because, you know, if you don't vote for the black man, you're a racist.
I mean, it's just, it's so mindless, but that is a dying dinosaur.
You know, in the polls, you've only got about 60% of the country That really even supports one of the two candidates.
So that gives them each about, you know, I guess, 25 and 35 percent, respectively, of the public.
So, you know, they're not suckering everybody.
And a lot of the left, you know, they're going, wow, he was for wiretapping on warrantless, and, you know, he voted for, you know, all these bad things, and, you know, he said he was against NAFTA and GAAP, but now he says he's for it.
And, I mean, if you really look at Barack Obama, he's a corporate whore.
He's not a Muslim terrorist.
He's not a commie.
You know, that's all in the left-right paradigm.
That's his foundation cover in the big Chicago corrupt machine politics.
That's where he made his bones in politics.
That's where he came from, was the controlled left foundation system.
That's a fact.
The Annenberg Foundation, Rockefeller Foundation.
I mean, he's a front, ladies and gentlemen.
He's a total And complete front of the New World Order.
And you're going to find that out.
Understand something.
I never go for what's popular.
I say what I really believe.
Because who am I if I don't say what I believe and know?
That's who I am.
That's what's valuable to me is ideas and information and research.
And that's why I went on air years before 9-11 and talked about government-sponsored terrorism and talked about Oklahoma City being an inside job in 95, 96, 97, 98, 99. Made a film in 97. That's why in the really the year before 9-11 I said they're gonna stage a big terror attack,
but I was sure of it by late July of 2001 I'd seen the PNAC documents seen them introducing bin Laden on the news a lot of people notice that And you know to go on air and in my show had more AM and FM affiliates in Late Mid and late 2001, than it has now.
It had actually gotten up to over 80 affiliates, because I was bashing Bill Clinton.
I was bashing his New World Order agenda.
I was talking about, you know, the Second Amendment and property rights, as I always do.
And so, a lot of mom-and-pop stations, and even, you know, smaller chains, you know, smaller groups of stations, corporate-owned, were putting me on the air, and they were getting good ratings out of it.
And I went on air, and I'm talking about the journey of standing up for what you believe in and not compromising.
I'm not tooting my horn, but I mean, I'm explaining who I am and why I do what I do.
And do I do a perfect job?
Do I put things to the best?
Do I make mistakes?
Absolutely. But, I went on air on 9-11.
And we were getting calls.
Stations were already dropping us, going, you know, this guy's crazy.
He's saying, call the White House every day.
They're going to probably attack the World Trade Center.
They're going to set up a police state.
You know, George Bush is, you know, we know he's not perfect, but, you know, our sponsors don't like it.
And, you know, we were losing 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 affiliates leading up in those few months.
And then 9-11 happened, and I went on Derry Brownfield's show that day.
He said it was an inside job, and he lost a bunch of affiliates.
They let me know.
They said, well, you can call in every once in a while, but you are banned from the show as a guest.
And Michael Trudeau, who had been working for Genesis for four years then, or three and a half years, never told me what to say or what to do.
He called me.
He was the program director.
I'm going to go to your calls in a minute.
And he said, look, I'm not telling you what to say, but you're not going to basically have a radio show soon.
You'll just be on the internet and shortwave and satellite.
Uh, you're not going to basically have any affiliates if you keep this shop.
You know, this is like two days into 9-11, September 13th.
I remember the call getting a few days later.
He said, they're calling, they're dumping you, they're dropping, they're saying they don't want to drop you.
A lot of stations are saying, in fact, in an email, Brownfields people even said, hey look, we know, Jeff said, yeah, we know, you're right, and it's going to come out later, because they're smart.
But people aren't ready for this.
And so, you're banned.
Then I mentioned that a few years later, and they didn't like that either, but you know what?
Derry's a great guy.
He's on the network, and we gave him a home.
You know, we should just carry a show, but after the other network kicked him out, we're talking about Monsanto, the poisonous crops, the deadly crops, you know, he got...
See how that works, Derry?
You told the truth there, too, so that's why I respect you, and you lost that network you've been a founder of.
You know, got pushed out of it.
But now he's here on Genesis.
My point is, I'm not criticizing him.
He's a great guy.
An icon of agriculture, reporting, and fighting the new world order, period.
But Trudeau said, look, do what you want, but your show is over 80 stations, and now it's 50 stations, and it's about to be even less.
And we got driven down to about 20 stations.
Now, we built back up to about 65. We gained like four more affiliates in the last month.
I need to cut liners for them.
I know they've been asking for it.
You know, I wasn't sad, I wasn't upset about that.
I should look, Mike, I just got fired a few years ago from the number, you know, big talk station that you were carrying, syndicating on just a shortwave and satellite and a few stations at the time.
And I said, I'm, you know, I'll go back to just being on shortwave of the internet.
I mean, that's, I'm not gonna, we're not gonna have any future if we don't expose the fact this was an inside job.
And, You know, he, on his own show, broke from that and said it wasn't an inside job, and got upset when the listeners didn't like it, and he ended up leaving.
But the point is, Ted Anderson stood behind me the entire time, and so did Michael, to a certain extent.
And, um, both, you know, good guys.
But Ted totally stood behind me and said, hey, do whatever you want.
You know, free speech.
But, um, it's one thing to talk about how You know, you're not going to compromise, but you try actually being on 80-something stations and losing 40-plus of them, 50-something of them.
I mean, you try doing that.
You try watching them turn you off.
Okay? And so, that's why when people threaten me, you know, they call up or email and say, have on this guest saying that the Vatican runs everything, Or we're going to expose you as working for them.
And I'm like, well, if you'd asked nice, I might have had the person on, but now I've looked into them and they're very uncredible.
I'm not saying that the Vatican isn't corrupt and doesn't run a bunch of stuff.
I'm saying you are a terrorist and you're not going to terrorize me into doing what you want.
Or expose the Scientologists or you're one of them.
And I'm like, well, I'm not a Scientologist and I don't particularly like what they do or some of the things they engage in, but Uh, I'm certainly not going to have the guests you're demanding I have on.
Uh, no.
No, I'm pig-headed.
That's why I've probably gotten 500 emails saying, well, I'm not going to listen anymore because you were mean to the Zeitgeist guy, and, uh, and basically you're a dumb Christian, and so we're not going to listen to your show anymore.
You know, it's not that I don't care.
I do care, but I am who I am, and I can't stop Telling the truth as I know it.
And, uh, it's, it's, um, it's unfair when I'm saying, no, a bird builds a nest because of instincts, ingrained programming, and somebody says, no, they build it because they're taught how.
And I'm saying, well, that's just not, they can take eggs away and incubate them and then have the birds hatch out without their parents and they build the same nest.
It's not true!
And they're just, shut up, you're a dumb Christian!
I'm like, it's...
I'm not talking about that!
I didn't bring up the whole Christian thing!
Well, you're just a religious, uh, kook!
And I'm like, no, no, spiders innately know how to build a web.
You know, they can take them away from their parents.
They're, you know, they're hatching eggs, and they'll build the same web.
No, you just can't grasp it.
You're not intellectual.
And I'm like, you know, that's...
I get stuck on one point, And I'm told I'm wrong about something I know I'm right about.
And then I go do more research on it, and I find out that it's a New Age theosophy, which is the New World Order inter-sanctum religion.
And then no one responds to that challenge.
And it says, well, how is my religion bad, but this one's OK.
And then they say it's not a religion.
We're going to come back, take our phone calls, get into forced inoculations.
Really key developments there.
Stay with us.
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unidentified
The enemy struck America on September 11th.
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unidentified
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Fabled Enemies is the first 9-11 film to take a close look at the terrorist ties to intelligence networks inside the United States.
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Some U.S. investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S. I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
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Came and took it all away.
unidentified
They came and took it all away.
alex jones
You know, the Daily Texan here in Austin, the student paper is really on fire against the New World Order.
Because we've woken up so many of those great young people.
Young adults.
New Jersey parents protest mandatory flu shots.
Even linked to a YouTube video exposing the New World Order.
That dovetails with the USA Today story, most health workers skip flu shots.
They'll try to intimidate you and make you take it and even use police dogs to scare children doing it.
I'm not kidding, it's on video.
But then they won't take it.
That system's not going to stand.
It's not going to work, you social engineers.
Okay, Matt, Alex, Jeff, Matt, James, I'm going to take calls and cover some news throughout the next hour, but I'm going to go to your calls right now.
Matt in Michigan, you disagree, so you are first out of the box.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Hey, how you doing, Alex?
Good! I want to first thank you for waking me up.
I stumbled upon you probably last year after I was beaten, tasered by the cops here in Michigan.
But the thing I disagree about is kind of the way you conducted your interview with Paul Joseph the other day.
I really don't think you gave him fair opportunity to kind of state his points.
alex jones
Well, he was reading off a piece of paper.
You got it!
and they will build the exact same nest.
And, I mean, I'm just not going to look.
Look, I mean, right there, and he got this high and mighty attitude, and then I'm not going to put on airs and put a lisp on and, you know, sit there and go back and forth.
I mean, I know the science.
I know the facts.
And then the basic counter is, well, that's just your Christian dogma.
Actually, most Christians would probably say that the mommy bird does teach the baby bird.
I mean, it wasn't even about that.
It's just anything I brought up about collectivism or anything, you know, you're just small-minded.
unidentified
It's a good thing.
Humans differ a lot.
You know, from birds or other things in nature.
You know, I think...
alex jones
You're not listening to me.
He said birds are taught how to build nests.
unidentified
No, no, no.
I understand that.
I understand.
alex jones
I don't agree with everything...
Look, it's not true!
unidentified
I don't agree with his...
alex jones
Hey, listen.
His yogi, this Krishna guy...
You ought to go watch videos of his yogi.
He's a babbling idiot.
unidentified
I know all about...
I don't agree with him.
I don't think his system will ever work.
I know it's impossible for it to work.
But you know, he did bring up a lot of good points.
As long as we do have a monetary system, there's always going to be corruption.
And if you want to get away from elitism and money and that aspect, you'd have to get rid of the money to get rid of that.
But it's never going to happen.
I understand that.
But with humans, I think it's a lot more a nurture of the nature anyway.
I know we do have maybe a genetic memory, you can call it.
It's all about how you're brought up.
It's all about, you know, what's your talk, you know?
And if you can imagine a world where, you know, everybody was, you know, brought up not to be violent, you know, that's what I think, you know.
He was bringing up saying, well, we wouldn't need guns.
Well, you know, if there was no violence, well, maybe we wouldn't need it, you know.
But, you know, it's unfeasible.
I think that, uh, you know...
alex jones
Look, here's an example, sir.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
I said, what happens if people don't want to live in this future?
System. He said, well, you'll be conditioned, you'll be reconditioned, re-educated.
So I mentioned that he's talking about re-education, when the Zeitgeist acolytes say, they don't talk about re-education in the film!
I know!
I'm talking about what he said on the show!
It's totally intellectually dishonest!
They will change the debate subjects anytime, and then jump around, and then finally just say, look!
We got giant space alien eggheads!
We're geniuses, you're not!
And I just blow up when people say, look, we're just too intellectual for you.
You just can't understand it.
You understand?
unidentified
I'm bringing somebody back into a new world.
You know, if you were frozen for a thousand years and come back, you wouldn't know what to do.
That's the kind of re-education he's talking about.
Showing somebody how the world is now.
How it's different from, you know...
alex jones
I'll tell you what, I'm going to give you your say, Matt.
Stay there.
We'll be back in one minute.
And with everybody else.
Look, the whole economy's melting down.
We got New World Order stuff going on.
I don't want to spend all day on it.
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I've come with a message of information.
9-11 was an inside joke.
luke rudkowski
Do you like being a puppet, sir?
unidentified
Do you like being a puppet for the New World Order?
luke rudkowski
How do the American people know that 9-11 was a stage?
Was it engineered by you, David Rockefeller, the Trilateral Commission, the CFR?
unidentified
The day that we stop asking questions is the day that we have allowed the seeds of despotism to grow at our own door.
Seven years after the attacks of September 11th, a global awakening has taken place.
An inside job?
How dare you?
If you know that there's treason going on, you can be held accountable for treason yourself.
All hell is breaking loose on 6th Avenue.
And if the government has not told the truth, in five years we will be here on the 10th anniversary of...
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unidentified
Waging war on corruption.
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Big Brother.
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You want answers?
Well, so does he.
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And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
alex jones
Okay, key news headline, New Jersey parents protest mandatory flu shots, but the health workers themselves won't even take it.
That's some of what's coming up.
unidentified
Let's go back to Matt in Michigan.
alex jones
Well, what a can of worms I opened.
You can't put that horse back in the barn.
I kind of just stumbled into the whole nest of this.
But we're talking about zeitgeist continually.
Go ahead, sir.
unidentified
Yeah, talking about zeitgeist.
alex jones
For me, it was With more generalities, I would sit back for like 10 minutes and then he would start asking me questions.
I would say, go ahead, run!
And then he would just continue To make statements that I know are unequivocally, on their face, wrong.
unidentified
No, to a certain extent, a lot of the stuff that he did say was wrong.
Like I said, I disagree with a lot of what he said.
alex jones
Well, here's the deal.
I don't claim it isn't all about me.
I am an aggressive, loud mouth.
But I'm also not stupid.
You know, I mean, I'm not bashing folks who live up in New York.
They're great people.
And we've got three affiliates up there.
Every time I go up there, they think we ride to work in horses.
They think we have outhouses here.
Texas has the 4th largest city, the 5th largest city, and the 10th largest city.
NASA is based here.
And so I think there's some really bad stereotypes.
Like, I don't think if somebody's black that they're inherently stupid.
And I don't think because somebody's from Alabama or because somebody's from Nigeria or because somebody's from Iran, they're stupid.
And I'm not trying to put stereotypes on people in the East.
But look, if you want me to do the show in a voice like this, I could do an NPR voice.
In fact, I'm going to do an NPR voice for the next 20 minutes.
unidentified
That sounds great.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Let me talk to you like this.
Birds are taut.
How to make nests?
No. No, we don't.
No, no, we will be inherently good.
There will be no money, no class, no state.
You will be re-educated.
Oh, the Theophacy Society.
Oh. Oh.
I'm afraid, Dave.
I'm afraid.
You want me to do Delphi Technique with you?
Do you want me to talk like that?
Matt, are you there?
Matt? Matt?
Matt, why are you attacking me, Matt?
Matt, all I'm trying to do is give solutions.
Alex Jones never gives solutions.
He just gave about five with Ron Paul earlier.
He just doesn't give simple solutions that you can put on the back of a cereal box.
He tells you to individually awaken and study human activity From a sociological perspective.
But, again, he was born in Texas.
So was Howard Hughes, and he was stupid and bad, too.
No one from Texas can think they drag their knuckles.
They ride horses.
They're stupid and cowardly and bad.
But we, who speak like...
alex jones
I mean, I was watching They're gurus, the opposite side of guru.
And I watch these gurus, now some of them are actually really smart, but most of them, they'll just sit there on a podium, and then they all pose with each other when they're having discussions, just look at each other and go, oh.
unidentified
There will be a future.
alex jones
Man will change.
unidentified
Everyone goes, Oh!
Oh my gosh!
Well see, I can talk too.
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brit hume
But who is the enemy?
unidentified
Bin Laden.
This is his MO.
We have to look to the Middle East.
We have to look to Osama Bin Laden.
Fabled Enemies is the first 9-11 film to take a close look at the terrorist ties to intelligence networks inside the United States.
brit hume
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unidentified
Bin Laden's connections to the CIA, the hijackers'ties to the FBI, the Saudi Arabian connection, the Israeli Intelligence Network, Warnings and War Games, the shadow government, and much, much more.
Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists.
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alex jones
We are back live, continuing with your phone calls.
unidentified
Hi Alex.
alex jones
Hey, welcome.
unidentified
Hey, I was just laughing so hard when you did that voice.
I mean, Peter Joseph, he sounds like the computer Hal from the movie 2001, A Space Odyssey.
alex jones
I'm afraid, Dave.
Exactly. I'm afraid.
unidentified
Don't kill me.
And he's knowingly pushing Illuminati communism.
I mean, I've studied the communists.
My great-grandfather, he was put in a gulag camp.
And apparently he didn't like the reconditioning.
And I've also studied these Illuminati mystery theosophical groups.
A few kilometers from where I live is Ingolstadt.
alex jones
No one said there wouldn't be pain.
unidentified
We have to do this for the greater good.
Exactly. And you saw how these different New World Order member groups played their good cop, bad cop routine.
Like, the Vatican, for example, they said, science is evil.
And then came these Adam Weishaupt guys, and they went to these young, talented, educated people, and said, look, we're the alternative.
You know, we're going to work in secret and eradicate Christianity, eradicate classism, and create world peace.
I mean, this is the same garbage.
I mean, Peter Joseph...
alex jones
No, I know!
That's what I'm saying!
I watched it!
And all these 9-11 truthers and people that are against the Federal Reserve, they're calling me going, what, you don't think 9-11 is an inside job?
You don't think the Federal Reserve is bad?
I'm like, that's not what I'm saying.
And then they want to argue about Christianity, and I'm saying, forget all that!
What I'm saying is, this is the inner New World Order doctrine, repackaged, and then it turns out it's, now I've looked at it, both films are actually Theosophic Society packages.
And again, I don't want to spend all day on it, Because, you know, it's only one small part of a larger system.
It's just, it's just, I hate seeing people get fooled.
You know, I hate seeing mothers that think it's the law, they gotta shoot their kids up with vaccines full of mercury, and they're just not gonna believe me.
So, you know, people didn't believe 9-11 was an inside job.
It's gonna take time.
unidentified
Exactly. A second thing I wanted to bring up is, we did an interview with a German law professor, and he's the guy who almost We're good to
go. For us now having the chance, the possibility to opt out of the European Union.
I mean, he put that in there when he sued against the Maastricht Treaty, and the other treaties that came afterwards.
alex jones
Well, the argument of the establishment is, well, world government isn't perfect and it's bad, but it's the structure we need to build the utopia.
And so it needs to be done.
And if you argue with me, I'll just say that you're an intellectual midget and you have no facts, and then just show you a drawing of a spaceship.
unidentified
And he explained to us...
alex jones
Look, a spaceship!
I mean, that's what the communists would do.
They would show all the farm workers.
We're gonna take you off the farms and take your land and send you into these communes.
Look! A spaceship picture!
unidentified
Oh, a spaceship!
alex jones
Oh my gosh, a spa...
It's all glistening cities!
I'm... I'm for it!
unidentified
I was reminded of the animated TV adaption of Orwell's Animal Farm, you know, where the pigs tell the other animals that There's going to be this technology and everything's going to be fine.
And so this law professor, Schachtschneider, he explained that they cannot admit that the European Union is a super state because if they would admit that, the German Supreme Court, the Bundesverfassungsgericht, then would have to say, no, it's illegal, we cannot allow that.
So that's why they don't admit that it's a super state.
alex jones
You just don't understand what global governments need.
unidentified
I don't understand what you're talking about.
alex jones
You just can't grasp it.
unidentified
No, I perfectly understand what this is about.
And this is, I mean, I put up an article without all the quotes.
I translated the quotes.
The whole article is up on the Prison Planet forums.
And so everybody can check that out and see what's going on.
alex jones
Does he speak Englander?
unidentified
Excuse me?
alex jones
Does he speak English?
unidentified
No, I translated everything.
I wrote an article in English and put it up on the prison plant forums.
I translated the quotes, the most important quotes from that radio interview.
It's all there, so everybody can have a look at it.
alex jones
All right, good to hear from you, Alex, in Germany.
Let's go ahead and talk to Jeff in Texas.
You're on the air, Jeff.
unidentified
Hey, Alex, it's Colin.
Look, you know, I wasted an hour and a half watching that addendum yesterday.
I'm surprised you can even talk, being from Texas.
Well, that's the interesting thing.
Oh, you poor thing.
I'm actually a recovered New Age cult member.
Oh, there's no such thing as religion.
More fake Christian dogma.
Meanwhile, we push the Theosophic Society, which worships Lucifer, but that's the only thing that exists.
Everything else is false.
You're coming at me with your pre-programmed knuckle-dragging Christianism!
No, no, you're not even allowed to comment.
That's nice, Guru, but I've actually been there, done that, and so, you know, what I'm calling to tell people is, you know, I was in the cults, I did the little seances, I took the mind-altering substances that move it from the realm of belief to experience, so, you know,
that's how they're brainwashing these people, is they get them to experience these I don't want to alter states of reality with the meditation, but the point that I'd like to make is, I went to a family gathering called Drums Across the World in 1994.
It was the classic family gathering, and when you left, of course, the Nazi cops were at the gate.
You know, I just, I looked around and I realized that this whole concept of this, you know, Marxist idealism, which is basically what's going around in all of these new age circles, mixed with the old age theosophy, it was impractical, it was impossible, and none of these kids are learning how to take care of themselves.
alex jones
And they claim, they claim they're anti-establishment, but the very core of the elite, this is their religion!
unidentified
It is their religion.
alex jones
Oh, that's all I'm saying.
I'm like, you notice he never wanted to get into the New World Order.
Oh, they're nothing.
They're idiots.
They don't know what they're doing.
We're going to build something better.
I'm like, no, they're building the scientific dictatorship.
unidentified
Here's the damage he's doing.
His solutions at the end were completely, completely bunk.
The solutions that people need are learn to grow your own food, learn to be self-sufficient, learn to...
alex jones
Decentralization, but it's not simple.
It isn't just a one-line throwaway line.
It means a journey of you getting informed and involved, and not just constantly bumping around inside your head, you know, plumbing your inner depths and speaking to spiritual guides.
It's about actually getting out there and doing something.
unidentified
And the way that I made it out of all this New Age cult stuff was, you know, I was always grounded in the biblical Jesus, and they were kind of pushing the world Christ at me to kind of bait me.
And, you know, that was all fine, and I went into it, but when they started pushing that, you know, homosexuality and gender neutrality, which is part of the New Age agenda, I think there's a lot of guys just like me that are going to draw the line right there.
When they try to tell you that Jesus was a homosexual, it just does not jive with anything that we know historically.
alex jones
Well, that's the thing, is they change it for whatever they want, and I'm not here bashing, you know, graphs and people.
That's right.
But listen, I appreciate your call.
The point, I want to move on to, I believe John in San Francisco, they just told me disagrees, and I'm sorry I didn't put him to the head of the line.
But yeah, great points, Jeff.
The whole point about that is, I don't want heterosexuals or homosexuals teaching Five, six, seven-year-old children about sex in the name of sex education.
It's not.
It's indoctrination.
I want them innocent as long as possible.
Because that's how they're meant to be in that state.
They're not meant to get into sex until they hit puberty.
And then it's a very special thing to have children and bring the next generation in the world.
So, you know, people need to realize that's a big step and a big decision.
Does that mean I wasn't wild?
Does that mean I'm up here judging people?
No, I'm just saying, all this promiscuity is very, very destructive.
Okay? You know, I'm against wild, uncontrolled genetic engineering in laboratories.
And I'm saying people need to, you know, think about reproduction and think about what sex really is.
I don't know, man, once you have children you're taking care of, and once you have people that depend on you, it just becomes, it just, your whole mindset shifts.
When you become a parent.
All that biology kicks in.
And I think you get a lot greater understanding, at least if you're centered.
Okay, John in San Francisco, you're on the air.
unidentified
Alex, honored to be on the show.
Pleasure to talk to you.
alex jones
Good to have you here.
What's on your mind?
unidentified
Hey, what do you want to talk about first?
Zeitgeist or Money Masters?
I disagree with things in both.
alex jones
Whatever you want.
I thought you said you disagreed with me, so we're putting that ahead of the line.
unidentified
Okay, thanks.
Alright, so on the Zeitgeist thing, you know, the only issue I had with you yesterday, Alex, was that You didn't address the thing that he kept arguing about directly, which was the scarcity principle.
And it's somehow, they've got some new system that's going to avoid scarcity.
alex jones
Well, I agree.
Technology is going to avoid a lot of scarcity if it was allowed to be developed and distributed, and I'm all for that.
The problem is the elite is moving with their own scientific dictatorship to create a world police state and then reduce the world population before that step towards The singularity.
Singularity in energy, singularity in computing.
So that's my whole point, is that we're in the middle of a raging battle right now, and then we've got this theosophic original view from which much of the current architecture comes from, and they're claiming the same theosophic system that they sell the low-level dreamers and well-meaning people on.
I'm saying, hey, I've seen this before, and it's like, no, you haven't.
unidentified
Well, you know, we're not in the transhumanist period yet.
We're still human beings.
Scarcity is always going to be here.
There's no way around it.
That's the nature of reality.
And all he was doing was giving us some rehashed Marxist utopian nonsense.
If any of these guys spent two seconds reading some of the people that you like so much, like the Lou Rockwells and those guys and the Mises.
They'll know that pricing calculations have doomed the Soviet, Russian, Marxist empire.
And it's an invaluable part of economics.
You can't get around it.
alex jones
Well, it's also how humans are designed.
We are competitive.
And that can lead to very dangerous things.
It can also lead to great things.
Let's keep talking about it on the other side, John.
We'll be right back.
I want to get into the economy and forced inoculations.
unidentified
You know, the little battles, the little pathetic battles I'm fighting.
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I was a highwayman.
Along the coach roads I did ride.
With sword and pistol by my side.
Many a young maid lost her marbles to my trade.
Many a soldier shed his white blood on my blade.
The bastards hung me in the spring of twenty-five.
I am still alive.
I was a sailor.
I was born upon the tide.
With the sea I did abide.
I sailed a school around the Horn of Mexico.
I went aloft and furrowed the mainsail and up below.
And when the yards broke off they said that I got killed.
But I'm living still.
I was a damn builder.
Across the river deep and wide.
Where steel and water did collide.
A place called Boulder on the wild Colorado.
I slipped and fell into the wet concrete below.
They buried me in that great tomb that knows what.
I'll always be around, around, around, around, around, around.
alex jones
Ah, don't stop torturing people.
unidentified
I just love the Highwoman Ballad.
alex jones
And Willie told me that's his favorite song.
This one right here.
unidentified
I'll fly a starship across the university of high.
And when I reach the other side, I'll find a place to rest my spirit if I can.
Perhaps I may become a highwayman again.
Or I may simply be a single drop of rain.
But I will remain.
I'll be back again and again and again and again.
All right, John.
alex jones
Look, I know we got John, Scott, Helen, Nick, James, Roger.
I want to get to all of you.
I'm out of control.
I'd rather be sitting around listening to music.
Finishing up with John in San Francisco, you wanted to make a point about the Money Masters.
unidentified
Yeah, well, are you going to sing with Willie when he comes to Texas?
alex jones
I don't think I sing very good.
unidentified
Go ahead.
So, one quick thing too, he's an atheist.
I have some issues with the first side guys too.
I think he, just a quick point, he mixes his Christmas and Easter metaphors, you know?
He jams them all together with the winter solstice.
It just seems like a mess to me.
I think he's got some real thought problems.
But moving on to the Money Master guys, you know, one of the things that you seem to agree with him is that we should move back to Scrip, which was the currency that we used, I guess, after the Civil War.
alex jones
I'm saying we could have a debate about government-issued fiat that's controlled with the public educated and aware, or we could look at the Von Mies uh...
angle of gold and silver but any other can be manipulated because it's the nature of man that we're not inherently bad but we inherently do have a lot of bad people and and and we're bad and good yeah i mean the thing is any time you get the look the government is everything implicit in what the government does is the gun so you know whenever you have the government uh...
unidentified
telling you what to do forcing uh...
you know the money monopoly on you there's always It's always rife with abuse.
People should be able to use whatever they want.
alex jones
Oh, I agree with Zeitgeist that we can move away from what we know as current currency and then there can be all, you know, computer systems can decide, you decide what system to subscribe to, you know, to automatically offer, you know, say different stocks or different commodities.
And literally, people could pay out of a stock market, but then that could be manipulated too.
I mean, there's just so many different ways to do it, but saying we're going to just magically get rid of money and exchange chickens and pigs again, it's just not going to work.
unidentified
Absolutely, but I have to say, I don't want to be a Mises shill by any stretch of the imagination, but you know, I like Ron Paul's proposal.
His idea is, let's have an alternate currency.
Let people use whatever they want.
alex jones
I agree, but that's hard to implement at first.
Right now, should we be giving trillions of dollars to the private banks that engineered this?
No. We should seize them as criminals that took control of our government and engineered this, and nationalize that bank right now, and then monetize the debt and get rid of it, and then we could go to gold or silver or some other system and have a debate about that.
unidentified
Absolutely agree, and in fact, there's no reason under the sun.
Anybody who doesn't get the Federal Reserve argument just has to ask themselves the question, why do we give a monopoly to a semi-private company and then have them charge us interest for that monopoly?
alex jones
I agree.
Back to Zeitgeist real quick.
You know, as an atheist, do you get my point that I'm saying, wait, they're the ones that are bringing up their own New Age religious stuff.
So if they're going to claim they're atheists, then they can't have their cake and eat it, too.
Do you see what I'm saying?
unidentified
You are 100% right on that.
alex jones
I mean, it's just ridiculous.
unidentified
Oh, it's absurd.
alex jones
Yeah. Hey, listen, I appreciate your call.
We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen.
Stay with us.
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You want more singing, folks?
johnny cash
I hurt myself today to see if I still feel I focus on the pain The only thing that's real.
The needle tears a hole.
alex jones
The old familiar sting.
johnny cash
The old familiar sting.
alex jones
Try to kill it.
johnny cash
Try to kill it all away.
alex jones
But I remember.
johnny cash
But I remember everything What have I become My sweetest friend Everyone I love, everyone I know goes away in the end.
unidentified
And you could have it all.
My empire of dirt, I will let you in.
johnny cash
I will let you down.
unidentified
I will make you down.
alex jones
All right, let's go back to your phone calls quickly now.
Scott in Arizona, thanks for holding in.
Helen, Nick, and others.
unidentified
years.
Hey Alex, how are you doing, buddy?
The thing is, I'm kind of upset with this stock market thing going up and down and up and down.
I don't want a depression to come on it.
It's not like I want that, but I just kind of want to get it over with.
And it seems like you just keep prolonging this thing, and it could be inevitable, you know, the obvious.
And it just seems like...
alex jones
Well, tell me what you think is happening, what you think they're doing, or do you think they're out of control?
unidentified
Oh, I think they're out of control.
I think they're just injecting it, and I just don't know how long they're going to keep it up for.
I mean, when are they going to...
I mean, they can keep injecting this, and injecting this, and, you know, until they get...
alex jones
They are.
They're not going to stop, sir.
unidentified
Yeah, I know that.
alex jones
uh... long-term dollar has one one hundred for what it had they will keep printing and handing it into themselves and buying real goods with it and then uh...
for issuing the debt on our backs with their paramilitary forces you know i totally bankrupting eyes they to the fraudulent receivership system then claim ownership of us they run up debts in our name take over the world whether they claim were popper indentured servitude debtors prison I know, but I'm just saying it.
unidentified
The martial law and we know that's all coming.
alex jones
They're not going to stop ever.
They're just going to continue pumping all the liquidity right into their own systems until it fully collapses and they'll remonetize under a new global government model openly run by the private banks controlling the UN, the armies, the global carbon taxes, the local enviro-cops, total world government through financial bankruptcy designed by them.
That's it.
unidentified
I agree with you.
I'm just saying, when are they going to get to that point?
alex jones
They are not going to stop.
They are not going to stop.
The market is going to go up and down and up and down, but overall down over the next few years, until it finally craters, and then they'll take the liquidity they've amassed and buy up basically everything that's left, and then it will just be a global corporate state walled off from the slave populations who wonder why everybody's dying of cancer all around them.
unidentified
That's it.
alex jones
I mean, just stumbling around, cops dying, their families dying, still SWAT teaming us, citizens dying, diseases everywhere, radiation leaks, poison, death, eugenics with the officers at the UN dancing around in our graves, giggling and smirking, while they sit behind the controlled compounds eating organic food and not taking any of the injections.
unidentified
Slow death instead of like another terrorist attack?
alex jones
Well, there'll be lots of those, you know, when they need them to herd us back in, you know, teach the cops to break our skulls for our safety.
It'll be a cocktail of it all, just social engineering by control freak psychopaths.
unidentified
Well, I would hope that what I'm talking about, I wish they would just, you know, there's something here that can just get the people so much against them that we could overthrow them.
But, I mean, if they do a slow death like that, there's just, I don't see anybody, enough people waking up that way.
It's just, it's got to be something like that.
No, that's it.
alex jones
Slow death is on the menu.
Slow, like a slow poison, kills you very slowly.
Uh, and you know, they drug you out with drugs and culture and entertainment and just, you just lay right there and you just die.
With a nice propaganda overlay to condition us all that it's for our best interest.
unidentified
Yeah, and see, when they do a slow death like that, it's hard to wake people up because they just think, ah, you know, they can find things to, a positive anything, but when they see it, like the bank's failing, people start to wake up because they start to see it all over the TV.
That's right.
But when they don't have enough of that going on, and it starts to mellow out again, then I think they start getting hope again.
And that's what I'm saying.
If they do it slowed up like that, it's going to be hard to wake people up.
alex jones
Well, exactly.
When they release a controlled bioweapon that only kills a few hundred thousand people, then they'll teach us how to live in quarantine and lockdown, and all the movies are teaching us this, and how to be under control, and how to have hazmat teams, and they're the good guys keeping us safe from it.
It sets up those roles.
It's all role-playing in the human mind.
mammalian programming of the governments, the good guys, they keep us safe from the terrorists and the bioweapons or the accidental releases, whether they're real or manufactured, and then that he teaches us how to go under control for the even bigger terror attack biologically that comes
later. And then there's all these soft-kill weapons going, and then they practice with the autism they introduce, then how to cover it up, how to institutionalize it, how to fashion it, turn it into a fashion where they then again poses the saviors with money benefits and giving false solutions and false reasons and it becomes a campaign issue with McCain and Obama.
And then there's all these other plagues engineered by them.
It is eugenics.
It is slow death.
And how they've been programmed.
But then byproducts of their environment, the enemy knows how to take the base programming.
Humans are like buying a computer, and it has all the innate software and programs that come with it, but then it's what do you add to the computer?
What do you build into it?
How do you use those programs?
And then that's the nurture.
That's what they bring in.
That's how they punch the buttons.
unidentified
Yeah, because originally I thought that if they, you know, did another 9-1-1 event, that military would be breaking out all over the country and it would change the world as we, I mean...
They already are!
alex jones
You see, that's the sab, the mental sab of the government's the good guys, they're secret bad guys.
Remember I said seven years ago, soon they'll say there's white Al-Qaeda everywhere?
See, first, it's just those brown-skinned people over there, you know, using the inherent tribalism.
It's not even racism.
It's natural.
I'm not saying it's healthy in this system, but it's normal.
And it's just for that enemy that wears a turban and dresses different.
And then the whole time, the battle configuration, the attack pattern, the system was being geared up for taking your children, arresting you, seizing your house.
The whole attack pattern was on you.
See, if you ever even look at the propaganda, you can look at That's how real intelligence is gathered, is what's happening on the ground.
You can tell what the secret program is, that's how I can predict what their documents are going to say before they declassify, and then it comes out and I'm exactly right, because I can see the physical manifestation of what they're doing and the integrated fields of propaganda and social engineering.
And I can see other countries that are more ahead of us, I can watch other countries that are behind us in their latest download of the propaganda, and so by studying that as a kind of organic sociologist, Yeah, I agree with you there, Alex.
unidentified
And the thing is, you know, what I originally thought, if they had a big terrorist attack and they did martial law all across the country, if that ever happened, I thought that we'd have a chance to regroup at that point, because everybody would say, I can't stand the military on the streets, and they would realize...
alex jones
No, no, no, they're going to have rioting and people starving and more disasters to introduce us, just incrementally.
Okay. See, they're going to have North come out with the jaws of life, you know, that big machine that cuts crushed cars open.
I mean, they say that for PR.
Oh, we're here to help local police.
We're just here.
Oh, we're here to...
Well, like local police couldn't have the jaws of life, you know, but...
No, no, no, the military.
See, lots of PR pieces.
You already see it.
I mean, I remember nine years ago, oh, the military police from the Army and the Air Force in San Antonio are out in downtown this week for Fiesta helping with security, and it showed them arresting someone.
See, it's just introduced.
Oh, they're at the Kentucky Derby!
Oh, they're at the MTV Awards!
Oh, they're at the NFL!
Super Bowl!
Oh, they're at my school!
Oh, they did a terror drill at my school.
They didn't announce it.
And some kids crapped their pants.
But you know, the parents call the news.
They pick the one parent that likes it.
You know, it kind of scared them.
unidentified
But with Al-Qaeda, I kind of think it's needed.
alex jones
Meanwhile, your children have now been trained to basically submit into a catatonic state when men run in on them in a SWAT team formation.
It's all, the whole country, the whole world is a giant re-education camp.
unidentified
Yeah, that's exactly right, yeah.
alex jones
But we need a re-education, don't we?
unidentified
God, I hate the flow of death.
I mean, they...
I guess they're...
Creeping death.
alex jones
Creeping, soul-sucking death.
unidentified
Yeah, that's the worst kind, man.
alex jones
Take care, my friend.
All we can do is face the horror and make preparation for it.
I mean, people say, oh, it's negative, it's fear-mongering, it's scary.
I mean, what is it?
1 in 33 with cancer, now 1 in 2 with males, 1 in 3 with women.
What is it 1 in 25, 27 years ago with autism, now 1 in 86?
What is it?
What is sodium deadly fluoride and other toxins in the water by design with government documents to brain damage you and cause calcification of all your major glands and bone fractures?
I mean, you may not as adults care about yourself.
Adults innately have a self-sacrifice programming once you get into the hierarchy of needs, but the enemy reprograms that and uses it against you where you don't care about yourself.
Well, you better go ahead and care about your children.
Look at their little eyes.
Look at their little faces.
You know, I try to tell young people on air, and personally, when I hear that young men and women are getting in trouble in school, I tell them, look, have you noticed that MTV and TV and the culture and the movies show it as cool to rebel and cool to do bad things, and then they show you how you're supposed to rebel?
With your hair your clothes or with tattoos or how you talk?
And I'm not saying any of that's a bad thing.
I don't it doesn't matter to me I'm saying how the enemy operates and then what they Simultaneously tell you is cool to wear and how to talk they show police and say this is the enemy This is who you alert on So see you get into camouflage, which is a polo shirt slacks nice shoes You act friendly you smile You understand you're defeating enemy operations.
You go in that class, and you act friendly, and you smile, and...
And all the young boys have been taught to act like gangbangers, and, you know, behave like, uh, you know, basically, uh, rhesus monkeys, and so...
They act like that, and then wonder why they really don't get the women.
See, they know mammalian programming, and there's thousands of different points of it, but that's one of the key ones.
And they teach girls, act like a little whore, and then you'll get all the guys.
And really just destroys their life, and makes them unhappy, and they get used up.
Get into drugs and the rest of it, you know, I mean, you know, oh you're too old to you know, oh drugs That's too cool.
That's in the movies or you're too young or you know, that's bad.
Don't use that.
No you tell them No, that's just really dangerous stuff brought in by the government because they want to be able to catch you with it to put you in their prisons and By the way, the drug dealers cut it at the low level of all sorts of poison So don't ever take methamphetamine because it will kill all your telomerasites And we'll give you leukemia.
It'll kill you real fast.
Because again, the government made all the base ingredients illegal to make it.
So people, instead of having 3 or 4 ingredients to make clean methamphetamine, which is still bad, cause you not to sleep, destroys your nervous system over time, like Elvis, it'll kill you 100 times, literally faster, because they have to take each sub-grouping of the drug, each sub-ingredient,
and maybe take 5, 10, 15, 20 different things, To just get the base ingredients they need, and they don't properly, because they're not chemists, and not the chemists can even do it properly, it's very, take a huge factory to do it properly with all those chemicals, you know, to make the methamphetamine.
So they're separating out all these deadly poisons in there in a bathtub while, you know, while the baby's sitting there sucking on a baggie full of methamphetamine having a heart attack.
And globalists know that.
They introduce a drug culture.
They know it's a doorway.
It spreads it.
It's cold-blooded.
It's to create internal division, warfare, sectarian violence, black markets to corrupt police.
This is sociology.
This is hardcore.
These people are hardcore.
They literally have 170 IQs and they're evil.
They're wicked.
They're cold-blooded.
They're selfish.
And they're not going to give us any quarter.
Do not ever use methamphetamine.
You're out having fun, you're with some, you know, you're fourteen, some sixteen-year-olds have put you in their car, you're going out to the lake.
You want to have that rite of passage?
Don't take it.
And preach at them.
Don't say, oh, it's because I'm a square.
Say, man, that's got poison in it because it's not made properly.
No, don't go out and drink and drive because A, you could kill some people, but B, it's being used to totally shut down the system and destroy the Bill of Rights.
And then parents know teenagers, you know, in the 12th grade are gonna drink, so they try to leave and let them have a party at the house, and then they get arrested and CPS'd.
You know, there's no end to it.
The point is, is that...
Dress nice, Go in and say no to the forced inoculations.
You want to be popular and cool and really mean something at school?
You want to do something really different?
You want to be a real rebel?
Go hand out 500 copies at your high school of a fact sheet that there's no law to take vaccines and that they're dangerous.
And they're going to haul you into the principal's office, and they're going to tell you they're going to have you arrested, and you just sit there and you act friendly with a voice recorder in your pocket.
And then you go out and you put that on YouTube and it's going to be national news and people are going to go to jail.
They're going to get fired.
You want to really be a rebel?
Defend the Republic.
Defend humanity.
Be a true warrior.
You're already supposed to be a warrior at 12 or 13. Men, women, both of you.
You want to really change things?
Set these bastards up.
Bring them down.
Show their racketeering.
Show their criminality.
We will invade their system.
We will expose it at every level and we will never stop.
Don't ever use any of their drugs.
Don't use any of them.
Not their Prozac, not their Ritalin, not their Valium, not their Heroin, not their Cocaine.
I mean obviously substance use is part of human history and part of what we do.
You can watch Blue Jays sit out and eat ripe China berries that have alcohol in them and get drunk and fall on the ground.
It's funny.
You know, as you get older, if you know how to do something in moderation, I don't think marijuana and a little bit of alcohol overall is a bad thing.
The problem is it generally is very dangerous and leads into excess.
And so that's why I don't smoke marijuana, ever.
And I try to not drink because, for me, alcohol is not a good thing.
There are plenty of people who can drink, you know, one glass of wine every night with their meal.
That is really good for you.
Or one beer.
Every study shows it's good.
Me, I don't drink one beer.
I don't drink a lot.
I mean, last night I just couldn't help myself.
I bought a six-pack.
I drank two of the beers.
And then it made me hyper.
That's actually why I like to drink, because a few beers will have a stimulus effect.
And then I was up at 1 a.m. and I knew I had to get up at 6 a.m. and I'm like, I can't go to sleep because I drank those beers at 9 a.m.
I mean, 9 p.m.
unidentified
Oh, it doesn't matter.
alex jones
The point is, is that govern thyself.
You know, get control of your mind.
Think about how you're operating.
Think about what you're doing.
And for heaven's sakes, don't come to your children and tell them they can't watch violent TV because it's too adult for them.
They want to be elders.
Teach them that it's dangerous and programs their mind and damages their mind.
You know, don't tell them they can't go out and party with their friends because, you know, they're too young.
Explain to them that this is a predatory system with criminal forces wanting to put them in prison.
We'll be right back with more of your calls.
unidentified
We'll be right back.
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As much as I love the man Paris, we're going to cut this music off here in a second and go to Helen in the great country of Canada.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
alex jones
Hello, Helen.
unidentified
How are you?
Good. I just wanted to say that I really know that your life purpose is what you're doing now.
You just love it.
I love your spontaneity.
I love your passion.
And naturally, I love your truth and for us to discover if we want to question something.
To me, I listen to you because it gives me...
I might as well not have finished, you know, my university because I get more university from you and more thinking than any of my degrees or letters after my name.
alex jones
Well, I'm flattered by that and I get more from the listeners than I really get anywhere else.
Angles and issues you bring up and the guests we have.
unidentified
Thank you.
You're relatively, you know, I was asked to listen to your station relatively maybe three or four months ago.
And I, intuitively, I came home and listened to it immediately and I was hooked on.
And you're dead on in regard to the world order.
You're dead on in regard to Um, to finance.
In my opinion, we shouldn't give those robbers one red cent.
They've sucked us dry.
And, um, basically, they're so evil that they don't, I mean, don't have much hope.
We have to develop ourselves within to be so strong to fight them.
And to, and that we cannot be in fear.
And fortunately, I was given a real gift.
My passion was teaching as well.
But in my 15 years of teaching, only one principal recognized my talents.
Before I went to school, up until age 7, I had a model that modeled love, modeled caring, compassion, everything to develop consciousness and awareness.
And as I went to school, I could see that I was shamed, And I was put down and I was very confused and didn't know why I was a poor student.
alex jones
You know, it's a very, very sick system and most schools bring you into the sickness of the modern culture and it destroys the innocence.
People think of innocence as somebody who hasn't experienced things in a way.
I don't know how to describe it.
Innocence is more our natural self and children who are innocent are much more attuned.
They're so innately intelligent.
It's just magical.
unidentified
Oh, it's absolutely magical.
When I was five years old, I looked up into the heavens, and one day the heavens said to me, which I, God, higher power, whatever you want to call it, and my terms today are very neutral.
I mean, it doesn't matter.
I mean, we get caught up in terms, and that's why I'm always going to call you in regard to, like, uh, the device.
alex jones
We've got about a minute and a half left, so go ahead and make your point.
unidentified
Anyway, I looked up into the heavens, and it said, one day, you are going to understand everything.
And I put my hand up.
I said, oh no, don't give me that.
That's too much for a little girl my age, and I skipped off.
So that modeled my innocence.
But it modeled my consciousness and my knowing.
alex jones
I remember having, I think most children have those similar events, you know, staring into the great void of the universe, you know, realizing that there's so much more around us, that we're just a tiny island, you know, in the middle of it with the, you know, sea of experiences and events and other individuals and consciousness around us.
It's just so wonderful.
Life is truly wonderful and there's a lot of pain and a lot of bad things in the midst of it.
Uh, but a lot of people do get hurt by the system, and that's why a lot of people do turn to evil.
They learn to revel, uh, in it, and, um, you know, it's...
It's all a process, and that's why we need God.
Listen, I appreciate your call.
It's good hearing from you, and good to have you fitting into the show.
Helen from Canada.
I'm talking to Nick, James, Rodney, Russ, and others.
We're going to get our guest on coming up, talking about the monetary system we're seeing.
We'll continue with phone calls as well.
And I haven't even gotten into New Jersey parents' protest mandatory flu shots, but that headline's not really correct.
They're not mandatory.
They're adding that to the list that they, quote, say are compulsory to attend school, but there's no law to take it to attend school.
They just say it's a regulation.
So it's fraud.
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Today, unlike any other in the long course of American history, a terrorist act of war against this country.
unidentified
The enemy struck America on September 11th.
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But who is the enemy?
unidentified
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Some U.S. investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S. Yes.
unidentified
I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
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And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
alex jones
That's right, already into hour number three.
Let's go back to your phone calls.
Nick in Indiana, you're on the air, sir.
unidentified
Hey Alex, how you doing?
Good. Alright, I originally became aware of you back in the day when Waking Life came out back in, I don't know, 2001, 2002, and I've been, it's probably been later than that, but I have been a fan ever since.
Endgame, great.
Terrorstorm, great.
But what I wanted to call about, I guess, is not necessarily anything I disagree with Well, of course I'm a jackass.
alex jones
Of course I'm arrogant and have all...
I mean, of course I probably could have done a better job in that Zeitgeist interview, but just as soon as he told me that birds are taught how to build nests, and then just took on that hoity-toity attitude, No, I totally...
I mean, that makes me mad.
And then the whole thing is the Theosophic Society, and it's word for word out of it.
And I...
I just...
I'm sorry, you know?
unidentified
I told...
No, I agree with you.
I don't believe in the conditioning thing.
I... You know, what happened with the first human?
Did they have to be conditioned by something else?
And yada yada yada.
It just doesn't follow.
My thing is...
is... What I called about was sort of, I guess, what we term Well, Rob Jacobson puts it well.
alex jones
Any group that's secret, any group that tells you it's esoteric and can't let you know the higher secrets, throughout history, when you get down to the bottom line, it's Lucifer they're worshipping.
And, uh, I mean, that's what all these major groups, at the end of the day, they say, hey, Lucifer's our guy.
We just can't tell the low-level people, they're not ready for it.
unidentified
Definitely, and I totally understand that, but there are definitely many people out there, and these might be the low-level people you're talking about, you know, the upper echelons may definitely have their own agenda, but there are plenty of good intending people out there that are Look, most of these Christian denominations are the same thing.
alex jones
I'm not arguing with you.
I'm not arguing with you.
I mean, I'm not saying that...
I'm not here even judging people.
This isn't really a religious show.
That's what I kept saying in the argument with him.
He kept saying, that's your Christian perspective.
And I said, hey, get that out of the way, man.
I'm here talking about birds building nests from instinct.
I'm talking about science.
You're not.
And the whole thing's a Theosophic Society angle.
And then they're busy saying, we're dumb religionists.
Meanwhile, they're the ones being religious.
Don't you see what I'm saying?
unidentified
No, I totally agree with you.
And I appreciate that you are tolerant of other people's beliefs.
And even when it comes down to that, even when it comes down to those who worship Lucifer or whatever, there's many different ways you can take that.
having spiritual beliefs, and as long, and this is why I'm saying cautionary for your listeners, as long as someone is not hurting somebody else, you should be able to believe in whatever you want.
And I'm not saying you've ever said anything to the contrary.
I'm saying that just because you're an occult practitioner doesn't necessarily mean you're an inherently evil person.
And I don't want your listeners to think that if they hear that someone is involved in a particular organization, Well, here's the deal.
alex jones
I mean, according to a Muslim, everybody else is basically an occult practitioner, and according to a Christian, everybody else is an occult practitioner.
You know, everything separate from it is the bad group.
I understand that some people get sick of religion and all of this.
My whole point is, I see Zeitgeist Addendum, and it's all theosophic society, New World Order stuff.
I've heard a million times before, and they're claiming, no, it's not.
It's new, and you're just a Christian, so you're saying that.
I'm like, no!
I'm saying that from a cold-blooded stance, analyzing what they're saying.
They, you know, they can't say there's no religion, you're a bunch of idiots, as a way to then get all the atheists on an occultic bandwagon.
That is deceptive.
That is hidden.
And that's why they call it the occult.
Because it is hidden.
And with true Christianity, it's all open.
But listen, good hearing from you.
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alex jones
We are back live for the next hour and a half or so.
We're going to have Pat Carmack on with us, one of the creators of the film, The Money Masters, the producer.
And we're really honored to have him on.
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And that also supports the makers of the film, because this is everything.
You know, money should just be an agreed-upon symbol of exchange, but instead, money has become everything.
That's the product, and the private banks that control the issuance of it are buying up the world.
And to put it simply, and we'll get his take on this, to put it simply, they have engineered the derivatives crisis, they have engineered the credit crisis, they've cut almost all credit off to Main Street and even corporations that are mid-level.
Well, an inner group of less than ten banks is given trillions and trillions of dollars while the dollar and the euro still has some value they're gonna pass us on then the hyperinflation it brings and will claim via the government that we back the currency through our labor credit and faith and that we then owe the taxes on these tens of trillions they are creating and giving to themselves so they take it while it still has value they buy real assets they're getting themselves cash flush right
now To be able to, as they bring in a world depression, consolidate their control.
And as we told you many years ago, they would then propose a world government for and by, run by the private bankers.
Where you still have your national currencies, but it's set every day by this global consortium of private banks internationally, and that you would then pay a global carbon tax.
How do we know all this?
They said they were going to do this.
Pay a global carbon tax to the private banks.
They are becoming the government.
unidentified
This isn't...
alex jones
The government nationalizing the banks.
This isn't the socialism as you're hearing, which is bad enough, because it devalues the currency and makes the people basically feed at the trough and be domesticated and bankrupt things.
It always has corruption associated that creates more power for the elites.
This is the corporatization, the private corporate takeover of the governmental systems of the treasuries fully.
They started here in 1913 and in England in 1815.
So I want to go ahead and bring up Pat Carmack.
He has quite a bio.
But Pat, you're uniquely qualified to be able to speak to all of this.
Tell folks a little bit about yourself.
patrick s j carmack
Well, good to be on the show, Alex.
Thank you very much for having me.
Well, my background's pretty varied.
I was in business.
I was a judge at the Oklahoma Corporation Commission Administrative Law.
And I ran an oil company, a private independent company.
energy company, a small one.
And I've been involved in various other businesses and so forth.
In the 1990s, I got rather involved in finance more.
And with Bill Still, we put together the movie The Money Masters, which you've mentioned.
And in that period, I became associated with a number of economists.
And in doing the film, probably the most influential one was Milton Friedman, whom I consulted with.
And since that time, I've my interest in the financial sector and so forth And you've got all these experts admitting from the historical documents with the congressional record the Great Depression was engineered.
alex jones
You heard my little summation of what we're seeing happen right now.
In your expert opinion, is that accurate?
patrick s j carmack
Yes. And it's not a...
that the Great Depression was engineered is not denied by anyone who's familiar with the field anymore.
I mean, it's been admitted even recently by Ben Bernanke at the University of Chicago, where he was at a birthday bash for Milton Friedman, who was still alive at that time.
And he admitted it, and Milton Friedman maintained that's what happened.
And basically, I mean, it's very simple.
The Fed contracted money at that time.
Right now they're rapidly expanding the money supply.
At least the Fed is.
alex jones
But only to themselves.
patrick s j carmack
Yeah, that's really right.
And that's, you know, it was real interesting.
There was an article where they were talking to a fellow at J.P.
Morgan, and they said, what are you guys going to do with the $25 billion that the Fed's going to give you?
And he said, we really don't quite know what we're going to do with it yet.
Well, it's kind of interesting because J.P.
Morgan, their profit for the last quarter was $527 million.
And while that's down, it's still in a vast amount of money.
If you look at, you mentioned there's just several banks that control everything now, and it's all being consolidated, if you know.
If you look at, you know, Bank of America in that same quarter had $1.18 billion profit.
Wells Fargo had $1.6 billion.
Citi hasn't released it yet.
alex jones
And by the way, we all know those are cooked books, and you've got all the people being paid who are actually making the profits.
So those, it's like Hollywood.
You know, a movie that makes $300 million that costs $100 million, they always say it lost money.
patrick s j carmack
That's right.
Well, in that 90-day period of three major banks, their profit that they've admitted was $3.3 billion, which is $36 million a day.
And we're bailing them out.
The taxpayers'taxes are being handed over to these banks basically to do with what they will when they have that kind of value.
mean just on the face bank robbery yeah it's obvious leaders tremendous conflict of interest there and this is a it's a huge it's it's Bailout's really the wrong word for it.
I mean, these banks didn't need to be bailed out.
As you know, they have taken over recently.
Merrill Lynch and Wachovia.
alex jones
That's right.
They've used government regulation to force deals with other institutions.
And as Businessweek said this week, this is actually a great consolidation.
This is a bumper crop for them.
patrick s j carmack
Yeah, if you're in one of these four or five major banks, Let's go through this.
alex jones
Well, Mr. Steele, in the Money Mastership, because I mean it's all there, so much evidence is three and a half hours, folks.
It's amazing.
I mean, I know that was a tiny fraction of how they engineered that, versus this that's even worse.
patrick s j carmack
Well, this is similar in a lot of ways.
You know, the banks are in control of credit, obviously, and so if they do something like, for instance, start calling in loans, I think so.
them in early.
This can also happen on the stock market with what are called margin calls, where the banks have loaned money to their investors who want to speculate on the stock market.
And the percentages vary, but let's use 25% for now.
If the investor only has to put up 25% of the money, and the brokerage house is providing 75%, and the brokerage house increases that arbitrarily on their end, which they're doing now and have done, uh...
But then the investor suddenly has to come up with the money.
Well, typically, how do they do that?
Because they're, you know, they've borrowed money to invest in the stock market.
They've got to sell stocks.
So you start a snowball.
So they have to sell stocks, which depresses the market.
They've got to sell more stocks.
Margin calls go up.
They don't have the money.
And you start a free fall.
And, of course, that's what's happened.
So the banks control this.
alex jones
That's right.
Meanwhile, this is key, folks, if you missed it.
They're claiming they're trying to keep the market up.
When in reality, they're actually driving it down, and then with the money they get from people dumping stock, they come back in with the bailout money and buy it back up for themselves.
patrick s j carmack
Yeah, because they're not really panicked.
These major banks have been through this repeatedly.
You know, there's a debate.
Do they initiate the critical catalyst that caused the downfall, or are they simply aware of it much faster than anyone else?
and then take the appropriate steps, which they're also much more familiar with than ordinary folks.
And it really doesn't matter.
The point is they hugely profit from it because either they engineer it or they're the first to know of it.
alex jones
But it's a revolving door.
I mean, the guys running the bailout now and getting the money are the ones that change the different acts in the 90s to be able to do this.
patrick s j carmack
Of course, that's exactly right.
I mean, right now, one of the big beneficiaries indirectly is Goldman Sachs.
And of course, Paulson was from there, Bernanke's from there.
It's a Wall Street crowd that's, you know, frankly it's very incestuous.
They're just, you know, as you mentioned, a revolving door relationship.
They go into government, back to the banks and the government, and make huge amounts.
You know, it's interesting, but the 50 highest private investment fund managers on Wall Street averaged $588 million in annual compensation in 2007.
Yeah. Ninety
-five percent.
alex jones
Well, let's break down, sir, where you see this going, from your unique perspective, being a judge on financial matters, and then also, of course, running a bank, running an oil company, and a filmmaker as well, the producer of The Money Masters.
We'll be right back with our guest, Pat Carmack.
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One of them was Carol Quigley, who was a professor at Georgetown.
He was a macro-historian, and he taught a lot of our Foreign Service folks.
He wrote a book called Tragedy and Hope, A History of the World in Our Time.
alex jones
This is the book given to the Foreign Service.
The internal type book was public, but an inside baseball on how things really run, and it's everything we say here.
patrick s j carmack
Yeah, and one of the key quotes in it is this one.
It's brief.
Professor Quigley wrote, The powers of financial capitalism had a far-reaching plan, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands, able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole.
I don't That
happens when you're in debt to someone else.
As Aristotle and Aquinas and others have pointed out, the ones of virtue is tested because it's very hard to stand up to people that you owe money to and who can fire you.
And so they take control of the country.
alex jones
And then you can't afford private education and so it's public education which is there to get your children into the prison system, dumb them down, put them on drugs, legal and illegal.
I mean, it's just a huge social engineering nightmare, and it's all stated publicly.
patrick s j carmack
Yeah, if you take a population and educate them well, they're not going to stand for this kind of thing.
So there's been a gradual, as you put it, dumbing down of the American population.
So in one of the areas, they've succeeded almost totally in economics.
Most Americans understand very, very little of it, so they don't understand the mechanism whereby they're being And for those of us that have saved, they're just going to hyperinflate everything.
alex jones
When they took the currency, they hyperinflated and, again, bought real things when it still had worth, and then they leave us with all the debt and then claim we have to pay it all back.
patrick s j carmack
Well, that's right, and that's happening worldwide, of course.
And so this process isn't restricted to the United States.
The fractional reserve banking system set up by the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 here, it was replicated in all around the world.
We weren't the first to have it, as you mentioned.
The first nation that was really yoked to a privately owned central bank was England, right after the Glorious Revolution in 1694.
But that spread all around.
alex jones
And then we saw what happened when a private banking cartel with its own intelligence agency got control of a powerful seafaring empire.
patrick s j carmack
That's right.
And what you have now is this is the vehicle Most of the wars and other major political events that happen have to do with extending or protecting this regime, this monetary regime.
alex jones
We're going to come back with a long segment, and then later we're going to take calls at 1-800-259-9231.
But there's so much to talk about in the width and breadth of this, but bottom line, this is the key information.
I mean, this is what makes the world go around.
This is who's dominating and controlling things.
And these guys are masters.
They're using their controlled corporate media they own to claim, oh, see, this is the free market.
See, only socialism will save you now, but socialism will further consolidate the middle class wealth, and then it's taken up to a higher level, and then it goes from being socialism into fascism, being handed directly to the bankers.
So, just any of your...
I mean, there's so much you probably want to get into, and angles you want to talk about.
So we'll go wherever you'd like.
We'll have a side with Pat Carmack.
I've got a lot of questions too, but I want to hear what he thinks is most important.
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producer of The Money Masters, available.
It's available at Infowars.com for $19.95.
Three and a half hours long, ladies and gentlemen.
And believe me, you can't put it down.
We aired this in 1997, probably a hundred times on AXS TV in Austin.
It woke up so many people.
They aired it so much because of requests that the big three-quarter inch tapes wore out, I think, three or four times.
And I would go up there with the VHS copy of it.
With my eyes watering at, you know, 3 a.m. with the edit studio and would dump it back on three-quarter inch and just turn it in to get people to see it.
I mean, that's how important this film is.
That's back in the trenches, ladies and gentlemen.
And it's so important that people see this and understand this because this is the single best film that gives you the real history In the last couple hundred years, what happened in the depression and what's happening now currently, this is the enemy.
Not Al-Qaeda, not the Easter Bunny, not the Shah of Iran, you know, not whatever new thing they make up.
This is the institution, the families that literally have money to burn.
They just make it out of nothing and then make us pay interest on it, and they buy armies, they buy CPS, they buy corrupt cops.
They literally run it all.
They control the narcotics, importation, all of it.
So please go to InfoWars.com and get the Money Masters on DVD today.
Even if you know all about this, your neighbors, your friends, your family, they don't know.
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You can also get a copy at TheMoneyMasters.com directly from the source.
But while you're at InfoWars, you can also get Endgame, Terror Storm, Fabled Enemy, some of our films.
And get those discounted when you get it with The Money Masters.
It's already discounted, by the way.
I just want you to see it.
Same reason I went down to AXS TV.
And I know it was aired all over AXS TV at the time.
Were you ever aware, because I was Pat, I just don't know if you were, of how big your film was on AXS TV still today?
patrick s j carmack
Well, no, in the past I just heard of it here and there, but I wasn't aware.
I've since found out that it was being shown all over the place.
We're getting several requests daily at our website.
A lot of people We're
You know, frankly, the bankers don't do that.
alex jones
Yeah, well, that's my biggest problem, is people take my films and they include it in their films.
Right. And then I get people saying, how dare you steal this idea from Billy Bob?
I mean, I can march up to a Bilderberg meeting and say the answer to 1984 or 1776, and...
Then young kids will say, you stole that from another kid, I just saw Bullhorning that.
No, they got that from me and I don't care, that's great!
Or people take my films and use clips in their films and then people don't agree with the message of the other film my stuff's in and then people hate me because of it.
patrick s j carmack
Exactly, so it is important to maintain ownership control and we have done that.
But nevertheless, it's being shown all over the country now on public access channels And that's wonderful because they realize they don't understand it.
alex jones
And you predicted everything that is now happening in the film.
And so it's like fine wine.
It gets even better with age.
OK, sir, what is most important?
What do you want to get into?
Because I can ask questions all day and interrupt all day.
patrick s j carmack
Well, you know, of course, two things have happened lately.
One, besides the crisis itself, one is the bailout.
And I want to discuss that just a little bit.
We have a little bit.
You know, you summarize it.
Well, I think, and that is that, you know, it's just taxpayer money, in a sense.
In another sense, it's not.
They're creating it.
I mean, the Fed's creating a lot of this money now, which their taxpayers will ultimately have to pay the bill for.
And it's being given to not the poor.
They're not going out and handing $25 billion out in the slums of the United States or to people being foreclosed on or people who have lost their jobs.
Or anybody that really needs it, they're handing it to fabulously wealthy corporations.
Now that's obscene.
And that was engineered by people who came from the same banks who are working for our government.
Unfortunately, neither presidential candidate has addressed this, and they both supported the bailout, I think it's because they don't understand it.
alex jones
They're also bought and paid for.
patrick s j carmack
Well, they have bank handlers in their campaigns.
And, you know, obviously if they were to really promote some kind of reform, their money would begin to dry up.
Opposition would start getting more money.
So they both play the game.
How much they understand it, I don't know.
But from their public utterances, one would have to assume they're utterly ignorant of this whole problem and what the cures are.
Since they're both intelligent men, that's rather hard to believe.
Ron Paul understands it, but of course he didn't win the Republican nomination.
And so we don't have a prominent political leader at this time.
It's time that we can turn to, you know, the closest we have at the moment is some of the third party presidential candidates who, you know, unfortunately are in single digits in the polls.
So we really just don't have a prominent leader at the moment, you know, like they did in the Great Depression.
In the Great Depression, of course, people were suffering more than we are at this point.
Not everybody.
I mean, some people are suffering right now just as much as others did back then, obviously.
But overall, we're not to the same depth of a depression that they were, say, in 1930 to 1933.
But they had political leaders arise at that time.
So we will.
And it's important that the people know what solutions are the appropriate ones and not be misled.
Because in every depression or recession, the banks, through politicians they support with their PACs and donations and mass media, come up with false solutions like this bailout.
And there's another.
I did want to mention, too.
When Citicorp takes over Merrill Lynch, and JPMorgan takes over Wah Moon, Bear Stearns, and Wells Fargo takes over Wachovia.
Well, here's their assets now, approximately.
Citigroup now has assets of approximately $3.1 trillion.
J.P. Morgan is now in excess of $2 trillion.
Bank of America, $1.7 trillion.
Wells Fargo, $1.4 trillion.
Collectively, they control over $8 trillion in assets, which is basically, I'd say it's fair to say it's the completion of the consolidation of the process that was begun back in 1913 when there were, as I recall, approximately 20,000 banks back then, and no one bank had anything remotely like this kind of dominant power among all those banks.
That was the beginning of the consolidation.
We've now reached the point where these four banks now control over $8 trillion,
Trillion dollars if you realize that the total loans in the economy Commercial bank loans are only about ten trillion So you get you get one can and also the a lot of people don't know this but the Federal Reserve is in fact a stock Corporation the stock is owned in each of each of the twelve branch banks by the banks that are members of the Federal Reserve But
alex jones
that's closed stock for those who don't know.
I can't waddle down and buy stock specifically in that inner, you know, held corporate stock versus the stock of the bank itself.
That's the public stock.
patrick s j carmack
Right. And so the local banks control it and it's based on their net capital.
So these major banks now control the majority stock So you have four banks that control the Federal Reserve System.
Now, it's true that the Federal Reserve has quasi-governmental things, like the President nominates and the Senate has to approve the seven governors of the Federal Reserve Board.
But they serve 14-year terms.
Only one every two years is nominated by the President.
And in a four-year term, he could only change two of them if he wanted to and were successful in doing that, which would be very difficult for a President to do because they control the media and they'd go after him.
Able to be president get reelected having done so which would be unlikely in an eight-year term Since they have four year 14 year terms.
He could only replace four of them And of course that would be at the very end of his eight years Which it's unlikely he would succeed in doing that so basically it's an independent body Of bankers controlling our national economy for the benefit of bankers I don't say anyone can reasonably say that giving these people We're
alex jones
talking to Pat Carmack, the producer of the definitive film on the global banking cartel that is the New World Order, is the crime syndicate, are the people.
That hired the social workers and the sociologists and all the horrible things that are happening are stated in their own public documents that it's destroying the family, destroying society, making us pauper slaves, world population reduction, theosophy, I mean all of it.
They're here, they rule, and they're not backing off the huge consolidation we're witnessing right now.
And again, if they were going to take trillions of dollars and dump it on the public, For a short time, you would have wealth.
Let's say you have $100,000 to each person in America of the 300 million people.
For a while, you would have some wealth, but then that would hyperinflate the currency, and then you'd have big problems from that and have to go to a new currency.
But instead, and that's bad enough, but instead they are pumping it into these international institutions, predominantly international foreign, And they've stated they're using it to shore themselves up and to buy up more assets, while they continue to cut off currency, liquidity, credit to the public.
And so, I mean, they're giving us no quarter.
I mean, the economy already is grinding to a halt.
This is just going to be devastating.
patrick s j carmack
Well, they know.
They've been through this before.
You know, the major bankers, you know, obviously have been schooled Well, they're constantly doing it in third world nations with their subsidiaries, so...
Right. So, none of this is new to them.
They know, for instance, that at the end of the day, there will be plants and factories and farms in the United States.
They're not panicked, thinking, you know, they somehow got to get out of town.
You know, they're waiting for the prices to drop to the bottom to buy them up for pennies on a dollar.
They're foreclosing on homes.
Because I know it'll all go back up, as it always does, eventually.
But it'll have new owners.
It'll be the banks.
Now, again, even this isn't new.
The bulk of the concentration of wealth in this nation has happened previously.
In 1870, approximately, most people, like I mentioned, had their own farms, their own productive means of wealth.
They had no debt.
Now, it's totally reversed.
alex jones
And they've trained us that we have to have the bankers in debt to even get our paychecks or have a car.
We've totally been turned into sharecroppers.
patrick s j carmack
That's exactly correct.
And, you know, they got homeowners, with all the inflation that they caused by, you know, running the printing presses and the budget deficits, they got homeowners, you know, the equity in homes, at least on paper, looked like it went up.
So if you had a $200,000 home, say, in 1995, you know, by 2000, whatever, five, it's now worth $400,000.
I'm $200,000 richer, right?
Well, no, it's the same home.
But what they did then is they got the homeowners to get home equity loans and various other kinds of subprime mortgage.
And now they've convinced the public that it's all the public's fault taking bad loans when they're just suckers.
alex jones
That's a small part of the overall deal.
It's the bundling and the selling of the toxic debt.
patrick s j carmack
Also the misrepresentation and deceit in the subprime loans.
Those things are extremely complex.
And the banks misrepresented them too.
When people come in and say, let me, this language I don't understand.
What does this mean?
And they would lie to them.
And I'm saying that because they're being sued all over the place and they've already lost some cases.
alex jones
Let me ask you a question.
What is this where they're now telling people in the last three years, at a closing, oh sign this form that if there's any mistakes we can change the contract.
And then I've seen reports of them engaging in all sorts of chicanery.
patrick s j carmack
I'm not familiar with the report.
Is it a power of attorney or what is it?
alex jones
Yeah, it's just a sheet saying if we make any mistakes on this loan, or if there's any mistakes in this paperwork, we're allowed to go change it however we want.
patrick s j carmack
Well, I mean, if you read the fine print on some of the literature you get from banks, they're often adding things that are just incredible.
Most people don't read the little tiny fine print, and, you know, it allows them to change terms and conditions.
And if they do, you get another letter in the mail you throw away, but it has about a four-page document that informs you, supposedly, that, you know, the terms of your loan have been changed and people don't even know it.
And so, you know, that kind of thing obviously has to be addressed by lawsuits, and it is being addressed by lawsuits.
But, you know, they have so much money, and the average person that is struggling, you know, to fight with them has no money.
alex jones
And they always think the bank's making a mistake.
It's always, I don't understand.
It's a mistake and they don't care.
They're stupid.
No, they're not stupid.
They're in control because they're ruthless crooks.
patrick s j carmack
Well, the class action lawsuits that have already been successful in some instances are successful because it's established that it was a deliberate policy.
That the people that wrote the language knew it was ambiguous.
knew that people would misunderstand it a certain way and that they could tell the lower down, you know, bank employees who met with the people a false version of what it meant Well, that's right.
alex jones
I mean, you're a former judge, but for those that don't know, I know a lot of people that sign bad contracts, scam contracts, and they think, I can never get out of this.
I just have to let these people cheat me in business or whatever.
No! A good contract needs to be fair and have compensation for the people involved.
And so, but again, the general public doesn't understand that.
patrick s j carmack
Well, and they rely on the banks to tell them what the ambiguous language means.
And, you know, they don't have to do that.
They can go to law.
If they can afford it and have that addressed.
alex jones
Absolutely. I know somebody in a film production who the person had them sign a contract where they could basically do whatever they wanted, but that would be thrown out in court instantly.
It's written as a criminal instrument.
I mean, it's on its face.
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that the central bankers have created out of fiat with their magician trick.
They bought the armies, they bought the think tanks, they bought the media, they bought it all.
all the down on the side of the stacking on all these predatory laws to squeeze out what business industries left they don't control and they are putting out swarms of new offices and officers eat our substance You read the Declaration of Independence lately?
We're going to start the next hour of our guest with us for 30 minutes, Dr. Rodney, Russ, Mark, Isaac, Scott, and others, but looking at the central banks now wanting a world government, now saying, oh, well, you know, because of the problems that have been caused that we have nothing to do with, we're the architects of it, we need to be able to globally set what currencies are and commodities are and, you know, so they can now even more insider trade in other sectors of the financial system.
And they say for decades they were going to have a carbon tax to fund the new banks, and then it's in the Financial Times of London, BBC, Barack Obama saying we're going to pay our new carbon taxes to the banks themselves.
I mean, they are becoming the government.
And they're just out there openly stealing the money.
Ron Paul said they should be arrested.
He listed the current Fed Chief, the last Fed Chief.
He listed Paul Senn and listed the crimes.
But again, they control the Army, they control NORTHCOM.
The military doesn't understand this stuff.
How do you unroot something that's been so systematic and scientific?
patrick s j carmack
Well, obviously education is the principal means, and that's what you're doing right now.
And by the way, I applaud you for that.
The media that's not controlled is the only source for the people to understand what's happening to them, because they certainly will not get it on the major media.
On the global scale, the Bank for International Settlements, the World Bank, and the International Monetary Fund are replicating what the Fed did in the United States, and they're taking over government after government by making huge loans to those governments.
One of the ways is through a new form of money that was created some years ago called SDRs, or Special Drawing Rights, which they simply create, they loan it to the To the government, sometimes to dictators who use the money for terrible purposes or just corruption and put it in private Swiss bank accounts and so on and leave the poor nation like Mozambique or Colombia or whatever the third or fourth world nation is to pay the bill and
and they can't pay it, and of course it forces them to tax the people, use what little tax revenue there is, not for social services, but to pay the bankers from the United States or England or one of the other cooperating major banks that do that.
alex jones
And they all created it out of nothing, and it's come out in the World Bank documents.
They want the dictators and the corrupt leaders to default, and they all moved to Switzerland.
patrick s j carmack
Well, sure, because that's precisely how they take over the nation, then.
Whatever nation it is, this happened over and over again, and then they can move in with different programs like SAPS with the International Monetary Fund.
They can engineer things socially in that country as they wish.
They can make all kinds of requirements.
alex jones
And by the way, if a nation tries to be its own country, they're immediately called terrorist black ops squads go in and overthrow them.
You know, it isn't just these countries accept this fiat currency.
They're told, you do it or your brains are going to be on the contract.
patrick s j carmack
Yeah, if you go to the International Monetary Fund, they have a table in their annual report called it.
It's called the Table of Nations and Arrears.
So you're right.
It's more than a knock at the door like the usual debt collector.
It's pretty serious.
alex jones
And I want to explain.
They're not going to do that here.
Police officers, military, FBI, private mercenaries, they are coming They have been trained, you're the enemy.
They have been brainwashed.
They are coming.
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