Alex Jones and Peter Joseph clash over human nature, debating whether competitiveness is an innate genetic drive or merely environmental conditioning. While Jones defends private property and free markets against corrupt elites, Joseph advocates replacing the flawed fractional reserve system with a resource-based economy to end scarcity-driven aberration. Their heated exchange critiques religion as a divisive orthodoxy and challenges the "New World Order" narrative, ultimately highlighting divergent paths: Jones favors imprisoning bad actors within existing structures, whereas Joseph insists true liberation requires dismantling monetary systems entirely to align society with nature's carrying capacity. [Automatically generated summary]
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Without further ado, I'm really excited to get to introduce to you Peter Joseph.
Peter Joseph, of course, made Zeitgeist, which I would say is the second most viewed video, just from my analysis.
In Internet history, I would still say that Loose Change is number one, but that's because it's been out longer.
In the future, it remains to be seen, but the two films definitely are the most viewed in viral history on the Internet.
And the maker, Peter Joseph has now made a Zeitgeist Addendum, another two-hour film, very well done.
He works in professional TV.
And he did this on his own, though.
It's excellent.
And he went out and actually did a lot of interviews and things for it as well, not just internet clips that he combined for the first Zeitgeist.
And I agree with about 90% of what is in the film.
I think that the interpretation, the subtle way it's put out, people are going to misinterpret a lot of it.
That was my point criticizing some of it earlier in the week.
I also think that it's another form of orthodoxy to make fun on a high horse of religious groups and people who are religious because the human mind, human sight and smell only picks up a very narrow spectrum of reality that's been scientifically proven.
There's a lot of quackery and superstition and kooky stuff going on out there.
Certainly.
And that's why I get away from organized religion myself.
But I think that in a way it actually divides people, that both films have decided attacks on religion, especially Christianity.
And I'm allowed to have that view and say that I don't particularly agree with that.
I don't hate Peter Joseph because of his views.
I don't look down on him.
I don't even judge him.
I just am allowed to have my view that I think that that is
is uh... itself a little bit close-minded uh... that doesn't mean that i buy in every superstition out there and conversely people like to start fights between any you know big alternative media movement icons or or or films you know a lot of zeitgeist people that attack me and say horrible things about me and they're not zeitgeist people but people that are followers of the film or use the name as a maxim or a a a a a logo kinda like the shingle or the flag they fly
And then a lot of folks who call themselves Alex Jones listeners who viciously attack Zeitgeist because of its anti-christian bent, and then that's probably why the Zeitgeist folks are attacking me, and then my people are attacking them more, and then that kind of creates with myself a subconscious disliking for it, because then I get attacked by a lot of extreme close-minded Christians and Muslims and religionists out there who get mad that my footage is in Zeitgeist.
Well, I mean, he put it in there first, and later he said, hey, can I use it?
And I said, fine.
And he has the rights to use the footage that he has in the first Zeitgeist now, because I'm actually for open discussion and things being out there, and a lot of people found my work because of Zeitgeist.
So, you know, I believe that we can take good out of even things that I see as not...
Thank you Alex, I appreciate you having me on.
And I'm glad you pointed out what you did.
So with that said as my opening statement, I want to bring Peter Joseph up on the air and let him have an opening statement about himself, Zeitgeist, and where all of this is going.
I think a lot of people listening to this cast are going to sit there waiting for some type of duke-out between you and I.
And debate is really an infantile disposition, I think, Discussion and open discussion is what we need to engage in.
We learn from each other, and that's what a society should really be thinking when we engage ideas that are conflicting from one belief system to another.
You know, competition and things like this that we think are naturally bred into us.
Dispositions of winning.
These are things I would like to address today.
I know you have different dispositions, as you stated, for example, in your October 8th broadcast.
And before I begin any of that, however, since you did bring up Christianity, first thing, I'm not attacking Christians whatsoever.
I think anybody who pays attention to what I've stated, as far as the first film, I go into the historical basicities of Christianity, and I linger into the philosophical dispositions and how it's very restrictive of the human mind.
In the second film, I detail how Essentially, the belief system itself is based on a rejection of new information, and this is very important and very difficult to deny when you get into faith-based ideologies.
And the whole encompassment, if that's a word, of the second film is to really try to pull people into a train of thought that's aligned with nature.
And that's why I present The Venus Project, and that's why I present these seemingly spooky things that people have been conditioned to fear, such as centralization of power, But it's not centralization of power in the orthodox manner that many people think to be true, or fearful of, or what history has presented.
Because the flaw of our society at its very core is that it has not addressed the root problems of what we're doing.
And those root problems are sourced in human behavior, not secret societies, or elites, or even human instinct.
We have to look at the environment and what the environment is producing.
And from there, we'll know the resolution.
And that's what I'd like to talk about today with you.
Well, Peter, out of the gates, global warming has become a religion.
The environment is important, the load of the earth is important, but technologies, as you and the experts you interview have rightly assessed, we can transcend all those problems.
And that is being suppressed by the elites who want to continue a cartel or an oligopoly.
But, you know, you talk about the load of the earth and, you know, running things according to the load of the earth.
Well, the controllers, they're already using that.
And saying we are going to, as a technocracy, as a scientific system, we are going to scientifically design society, and we're saying carbon dioxide's bad, when that's what plants breathe, and one of the four major elements, light, water, carbon dioxide, and oxygen, that make life possible here.
So see, out of the gates there's that oversimplification.
I think it's important to have the discussion.
It's just the way it can be interpreted is, I mean, that's a religion too.
I mean, there is a religious belief that carbon dioxide is bad and evil and a toxic waste.
Yeah, there's also a religious belief that the free market system is the end-all to our progress as a civilization.
They're all religious beliefs in their own accord.
If they're not addressed in a highly intellectual and scrutinizing manner, The best form of reference for that type of disposition or analysis, if you will, is what you refer to as the scientific method.
Everything that we have, well, first of all, let me counter one thing.
Essentially, what you're seeing with this ruling elite that you refer to, that, of course, they will use technology against humanity, the microchip, surveillance, we're seeing this rampantly.
Why?
Because their social system is failing.
They have to preserve the structure.
At least, that's my opinion, and we can go into more detail for that.
However, they are totally out of line with nature.
So what they're implying will never really work, because it will just produce more instability, the people will eventually rise up above it, because the system is emergent, and we are always learning new things, and things that do not work as the emergence proceeds will be phased out.
And this is where social stratification and all of these different elements come into play.
You see, I'm not talking about, for example, in your October 8th interview, excuse me, your review of the piece, You implied to your audience that there would be this eradication of the social structure.
Remember when you said that someone's going to come around with a gun and shoot people that are involved in the wrong type of social stratification?
That is not at all what this idea is about whatsoever.
The eradication notion comes from the disposition that human awareness, human value systems will be altered as the society is culminated in more alignment with nature itself.
Now, that's a very difficult thing to... How do you gauge the alignment with nature and what scientist or group is going to be able to develop the gauge by which you set up that system?
Well, you can look at it from... Here's a very oversimplified example, but I get the point across very easily.
If you have a plot of land, and you want to do something with that land, say grow something on it, build something on it, you're going to analyze the topsoil of it.
The parameters of that land become self-evident as to what you can do on it.
Now, when you apply this to the planet, you begin to see that the resources that the society needs, which can be assessed through surveying what is necessary for the society, Stay there, stay there.
We're going to skip this break right now.
occur naturally without opinion whatsoever because you're basing it on tangible resource management of the planet.
That's why in the film I keep going back to the same point.
It's the intelligent management of the Earth's resources that's needed.
Now, people don't understand what that means.
They don't know what that means because they've been so conditioned into this completely artificial structure of money and labor for money, competition for labor, and money for resources.
This is a complete, this is a completely fictional disposition.
It's a false system because there's nothing but resources.
And the ideology that will construct our new world, so to speak, is an ideology based on resource management as denoted through the scientific method.
So that plot of land has the resources available.
The only way you can have unification, intellectual unification, excuse me, let me back up, The only way you can have an abundance and an optimization of our world is if you understand what the planet has and you gauge all of its resources.
This is why in intellectual unification that Jacque Fresco talks about, world unification, it's not world government at all.
It's an entirely different ideological disposition based on what's available on the planet, what society needs, And this is an extremely long-winded conversation.
But there are going to be people that, quote, want to be in accord, and there's huge debates within the scientific method, and so how are you going to bring something completely into accord or eradicate that?
Well, this is why human behavior has to be understood, which is another very important point that we need to... Well, I mean, and I disagree with you that humans are fundamentally, you know, don't have competition in them.
Okay, well... I mean, that is all over the animal kingdom.
I would have to respectfully disagree with that because there's no basis for that.
Everything that we have, that we think is derived naturally as far as human instinct, every form of human instinct that you see popularized by the modern-day alchemist, the geneticist that say, you know, they can find the genetic gene for smoking or the genetic gene to be a Republican.
This is completely ignoring basically everything that the environment has been teaching us.
For example, if I took, if you were taken as a little baby, infant, brought over to the Middle East, dropped off into a family that was Muslim, you would be on the air right now speaking Arabic, praising Allah, and you'd have a show called Info Jihad.
It's completely arbitrary to the extent...
I mean, I'm not saying that there are kernels of elements in our lives that dictate...
Everything that we understand has been taught to us in some capacity, especially our operations.
Every word I'm saying has been taught to me.
Every concept has been relayed in some capacity to me, and through my mental operations, which is a form of conditioning, I have arrived at novel conclusions.
My originality is simply because of the environmental influences that are completely and utterly conditioned to me, as opposed to everyone else.
Everyone is different because they come from different conditioning, in other words.
This is extremely powerful, and it's not 50-50.
It's probably 90-10.
Our conditioning is everything, and when we realize that the monetary system... Hold on, we're going back to the full audience.
Talking to the creator of Zeitgeist I and now Zeitgeist II Addendum, Peter Joseph.
Peter, I fundamentally, and we were just discussing this for the internet audience, only when we skipped that break we're back to the full audience now, I disagree with you fundamentally that humans are trained and conditioned to be competitive.
All higher species, mammals particularly, are competitive.
It is at its base a genetic competitiveness to pass on the traits that made the species excel in its environment.
Uh, in our, uh, development.
And then all the elite does is knows how to manipulate and punch those buttons and condition those and hone those and bring up certain instincts that have manifested through societal developments and to, and, and, and to over-express others and to suppress, uh, uh, others that they don't like.
Uh, and I mean, that's just, I fundamentally disagree with you, uh, on that point.
Well, I want to make a comment, then, that it's for the audience to decide, of course, and I think what people fail to realize, the geneticists fail to realize, what your worldview isn't taking into account are the millions, if not billions, of years of evolution based on scarcity.
All the animal kingdom has lived within scarcity.
You have to have social hierarchy of a pack of lions.
you have to have fighting because there's not enough to go around.
But is it aberrant to have a leech Through their breeding, through their culture, who are hyper-aggressive and hyper-dominant and sadistic, I call Satanists kidnapping a child and raping them for a month and cutting their heart out evil, because that is evil according to the human code, and evil according to us having safe, happy tribes who can go on being scientists and creating, which is the main drive and goal of this species.
I've read the social engineers and the transhumanists and the post-humanists, and they all say very close to what you're saying about this utopia of the machines getting rid of our competitiveness, but then they bring in a hyper-competitiveness to dominate us.
When the social workers kidnap people's kids for no reason for the state to re-educate them, It makes nightmares.
I mean, I've heard all this and people showing me fancy roads and models of spaceships and saying we're going to create a utopia and we're not going to have money anymore.
And then what is money versus this monetary system you talk about with banker fractional reserve manipulation?
Well, first of all, first of all, there's no utopia.
I want to get this out of the way.
That's a loaded term just like evil.
It has no basis.
Secondly, the difference between the system that I'm advocating and the system that I'm advocating versus the Fractional Reserve Monetary System is multifaceted.
First of all, the Monetary System, I wouldn't be specific to talk about the Fractional Reserve System enslaved humanity distinctly, with absolute acuteness, because there's not enough money in the money supply to go around.
You're saying, and your experts are saying, society's going to fail so we'll have a new, better system, or a shot at it.
But to them, the drug war, any of it, it's not failing, it is succeeding, and they want to create a collapse to bring in more social engineering and their utopia.
Okay, well you changed the topic a little bit from what I was talking about, so let me address that.
Basically, the collapse is not entirely 100% rigged.
What it is, is a pyramid scheme that is tipping that they've been expecting for a long time, and of course, they're going to capitalize on it.
The fractional reserve system has to fail, and that's what we're talking about.
The monetary system has to fail because it's based on competition and self-interest, and power monopolies, just like in the second part of Zeitgeist Addendum where I talk about world monopolies.
You make these leaps that I can't see how you can honestly stand behind them with a hundred percent confidence.
The fractional reserve system which has been put in place, they knew what would happen to it, but it created such a great level of differential advantage for their control of the corporate structure and everything else.
I don't think they wanted it to fail.
This is why the boom and bust cycle is what it is.
It's completely contrived.
I will admit that to you.
But they have a very delicate balance right now because the people, especially in the West, if the system fails the way it should, the way it mathematically should, just like every bust, should be about ten times worse than it really is.
But it's not because that's why the Federal Reserve was created, the lender of last resort.
It's not as rigged as you think it is, because the money has to go somewhere, but they do protect it.
And right now we're seeing the top of this pyramid scheme collapse, and I think the elite, even though they have their power consolidation, they know that they have to walk a very delicate line, because the public is going to lose it.
The public, they're going to lose control of the public if they allow another depression.
The central banks are cutting off liquidity to the real market and the population of the world.
They are then, while telling the public the money is going to them, conduiting all of the fiat currency to themselves while it still has some value, while they consolidate real assets, and Business Week and the Financial Times of London properly say that this is actually good for that small inner group of banks to consolidate.
Look, I overall think your film is healthy and good and thought-provoking and great.
It's just that I've always told my listeners, don't make what I'm saying a religion where I'm infallible and, you know, question me, and I'm saying, you know, And obviously no work can be complete, none of it can be perfect.
I'm hoping here, and I'm sure you've got things you can teach me, to open up avenues of discussion and refinement, not in your overall idea, but in how people are interpreting it.
Because certainly you know about the socialists and the Fabian socialists and the engineers, and HG Wells and Bertrand Russell and all them, saying about 90% of what you're saying at the end of Zeitgeist Addendum, but overlaying it with government central control to be able to construct it.
Well, I couldn't disagree more based on the fact that what has been presented might sound like socialism.
It might sound like Marxism because of those kernels of element of having a system that's designed for society as opposed to everyone fighting each other in order to survive in this monetary system-based competition illusion that's been created.
The difference is the entire foundation of this is that it's related to science purely.
And the thing about all the early Fabian socialists and all these guys, whatever their intent was, negative or positive, they had no concept of what technology is.
Hey, let's keep this rolling underneath our guests.
I'm going to try to control myself.
I'm going to sit here and write notes.
I'm going to shut up for 10 minutes.
Peter Joseph, creator of Zeitgeist.
And you just run with what you're really saying overall, trying to encapsulate it all, and then I'll come in with some of my primitive musings here.
My feeble mind will try to grasp it.
But again, I want to say overall, I think your film's healthy and thought-provoking.
I think these discussions are important, and people shouldn't allow institutionalized religion or anything to shudder their intellect from trying to grasp the whole width, breadth, and depth of this multifaceted, multivariate universe that we swim in.
Well, the first thing we need to discuss is the monetary system itself and the system that is underlying, or the belief system that is perpetuated by this structure.
The greatest failure of our society for thousands and thousands of years is to not address the root causes of human behavior, And the monetary system has created one of the worst Behavioral complexes that society has ever seen.
It is compounding age-old instincts which have very little relevance to progress at all, including things like competition.
If I was ever to call it an instinct, I'd say it's a natural culmination due to environment.
If you're put into an environment of scarcity where there's no work, no jobs, you're going to be forced to steal.
Your aberrant behavior is a creation.
It's not inbred whatsoever, and I can defend that on multiple levels, but I'm going to move on to talk about the system itself, the monetary system, It doesn't matter if it's free enterprise.
It doesn't matter if it's communistic or capitalistic or socialist.
These are loaded terms based on basically outmoded ideologies that are no longer relevant.
What we have is a system of competition that's inherently based on the assumption that human beings must fight with each other in order to survive.
That's one.
The second point is that human beings have to have incentive in order to be motivated to do something.
And these are two extremely dangerous and ill-gotten perceptions of human behavior.
The first mode to the effect that, to the effect that human beings need to have incentive, I'll go to that one first, is human beings' motivation can come from many different places.
When you're a child, you have all sorts of interests that you pursue.
You have all sorts of creativities that you find fascinating.
You don't know what money is.
You don't need incentive to do something.
Einstein and Galileo, all of these great men that contributed, they didn't need money as incentive to do something.
This is something they did on their own accord.
Unfortunately, the brainwashing of society has forced people into a disposition where they want to be rewarded for what they do, and that means they want monetary compensation.
No one will do anything in society without reward, and that includes solving social problems.
If you can't make money off of solving a social problem in the system, it won't be done.
And that is a very, very sad state of affairs.
The first part, the first mention that I made, was humans have to fight To compete for labor and income, the scarcity that exists in the system.
This is created by the monetary system, not only through the fractional reserve system, but in the very structure itself.
You can't have a society and expect progress in civil arrangements, ethics, decency, whatever you want to call it, morality, in a system where everyone is gaining off of everyone else through differential advantage.
This can't work, it doesn't work, and it's never going to work.
This is why the world is what it is today.
Almost exclusively based on this competitive notion that is compounded and perpetuated by the monetary system.
And this is the greatest failure that people don't understand.
This is why I argue against it.
I'm not saying that the Venus Project, and they're the first to admit this as well, is the end-all.
There's no utopia.
But they recognize this core element that is corrupting human behavior, so we have to move out of this system.
One of the things that people don't realize about the monetary system, which is very important, and I think you should think about this too, at least this fabled free enterprise system specifically, is that it always leads to corruption.
We say that the free enterprise system is, you know, it could be great, it could be pure.
You could have a perfect free enterprise system, and it would work.
Well, there's no such thing as that, because it automatically leads to corruption.
It automatically leads to oligopoly and monopoly.
It automatically leads to aberrant behavior and power consolidation, because that's the basis of it.
That is the guiding principle of differential advantage.
In order for society to progress, you have to eliminate this differential advantage and all the social stratification that occurs because of it, all the materialism, We have an advertising system that sits there and tells us that our value is based on what we own, and artistic representation is, our creativity is what we own, who we are, our identities are what we own, and this is a colossal and tremendous distortion that needs to be overcome.
So, the basis of this argument is that we have to have a new system that gets rid of these tendencies This thing called the New World Order that people talk about all the time, and I actually would like you to come back on the air and answer a question for me.
And that is, what is the New World Order as you define it, Alex?
It is a hereditary clan that rules through the fraudulent fractional reserve monetary banking scam that operates through intelligence systems and shadow governments.
Their goal is hyper-dominance and to control the past, the present, and the future, to set up a worldwide police state by manipulating people's primitive fears with manufactured terror threats, biological threats, chemical threats.
Their endgame is to exterminate Well, most of them now say 99% of the population.
The public documents say 80%.
And to create then a machine utopia where the elite and their progeny go to the stars.
It is a worldwide eugenics cult that is in control of most of the resources on the planet and is eradicating the family and the free market.
And then of course demonizing the free market by claiming this corrupt system they have is a free market.
They are now in the final phases of their worldwide consolidation, their victory, which people are calling a collapse or failure.
We have to take control of our local political units first.
We have to stop the electronic voting machine fraud system.
To do that we have to discredit the system, discredit the corrupt.
What about the people, though?
What about these people that are the ones that are perpetuating this?
What is your solution for these people?
corruption you know on the graph on the deepest points i am in the trough uh...
what about the people that are the ones that are perpetuating this what is your solution for these people what do we do with these people so to speak i mean what is well i don't like bloody french type revolution which then turn into something almost even worse I think they need to be identified, exposed, and then they need to be tried by juries of their peers.
They need to be given fair trials and sent to prison.
And then their assets need to be nationalized to pay off all the fiat debts they have created.
We need to have a population where we don't restrict Madison Avenue telling us we're inadequate so they can sell us products we need to become conscious of these motivations and decide with the discernment what is a good advertisement what is a bad advertisement you know in your film you talk about or some of your experts talk about how we can't you know basically in a free market or in a system of selling a vase or selling a car selling a house or you know getting our kidney taken out
we can't trust anyone Well, no, we need to learn to investigate and go to references and, you know, that's why in the past we had brand names, you know, a sewing machine that was known to last longer and be better.
That way, if this is not free market, slave goods coming in from China that fall apart in five minutes.
And so I disagree with that fundamentally and there's just so much I disagree.
I disagree so much fundamentally with saying we just can't trust the free market in products and goods because people have a reason to lie to you, to sell you crap, because somebody might have something better, and then that stops people from progressing.
When it is the limited free market, though invaded and corrupted monopolies through government help that have been set up, that we do have societal development, technological development, because people do want gain by their inventions, and they do want the prestige.
And it has been our competitive renaissance free market, the yeoman farmer becoming a tinkerer, becoming an engineer, turning loose the native intelligence of the commoners that has created all the amazing things we see around us, but that's at the byproduct of making us decadent and selfish in Madison Avenue through brainwashing but that's at the byproduct of making us decadent and selfish in Madison Avenue through brainwashing to secure the elite as they try to come in with a counter-revolution to take over
And so they have damaged and programmed the majority of the public, and so we need to, at a cellular level, those of us that are aware, try to wake up our friends, family, neighbors, communities, and at a cellular level, one cell at a time, heal the system with an exponential growth curve towards doing that.
I just wanted to go back and address it, because you've gone on a nice tangent, which I appreciate, but you've moved away from what my original response was going to be.
Basically, your assumption then on the New World Order is that you have to have the public to wake up to this elite group that are trying to dominate things, and then you have to prosecute them and put them in jail and take them out.
And that will be the resolution as you basically do that.
That will not be the total resolution, but yes, we have a, just like the Nazis, they had to be taken out.
Or, you know, finally the Communist Chinese said Mao and his wife are nuts, killing everybody, because they made a deal with these eugenicists in Europe, we've got to arrest them, you know, we've got to arrest his wife.
If you took out every single person at the top of the so-called... The system is still there, and more people would step into those places like shark teeth.
That's not what I said.
I said take the consolidated... Because that's how they've been conditioned.
But I'm saying we as a people are competitive and you have malfunctioning hyper... I mean here's an example.
I try not to be that competitive and lift people up and bring them in and then I find out as soon as they think they're a big shot they turn around and attack.
Primitively thinking in competition if they knock me the king monkey off in this movement that somehow that will make them the king monkey but that isn't the case because in reality I'm not even you know the king monkey in all of this.
So I'm saying competitiveness is a Good thing overall, it just has to be, we have to be conscious of it, and we have to have rules and parameters in it, and then have a, you know, playbook basically that societally we agree on, and that we're constantly changing.
So, I mean, this whole thing of trying to say that we innately aren't aggressive, and that, you know, we are, I mean, no matter what culture it is, little girls innately, start going and building a camp and start breaking up wood and practicing making dinner.
You can take a girl.
I've tried with my girls, have them play with toy guns and army men and soccer and football.
I want tomboys.
And you know what?
They don't like that.
They go directly for the pink Barbie.
And it isn't culture because they're not allowed to watch TV.
I mean, what are you... Let me tell you, bro, you've got some major issues that are wrong, and I'm telling you, you're influential, yeah, you're influential, and that's a good thing, because the alternative needs to become, you know, the majority, and I'm all for this, but I'm telling you, and I'm not even looking to argue with you here today, I'm just telling you, I'm telling you, man, does the mommy spider teach the spider how to do that?
Are elephants, do elephant bulls fight with each other for dominance, for the best Look, humans are very different from other organisms on this planet.
Look, humans are very different from other organisms on this planet.
We have the ability to think and create.
Our instincts can be changed, whatever that means.
There are no actual human instincts, and I have tons of science to back this up, especially the human being who is so malleable, so easy for influence.
If you don't believe that, take a look at the news.
The social engineers want to put people in prisons because they own them, and they want to have slavery, so this is the way to legalize slavery and say, if we catch you with this compound that's addictive that we ship in, then we're going to put you in our slave pit.
You're acting, you and your, because I've been watching your film and watching other people that support what you're saying, and it's the view that the elite are dumb and stupid and they don't know what they're doing and they're idiots and more cops and more prisons aren't going to work.
Of course it's working!
More people in prison, more slavery, more control, it's working beautifully!
Sure, that's one angle to look at it, but nevertheless, the public is conditioned to think these institutions are actually true and real institutions.
And not all of, not every stratified element of the prison system are a bunch of elites sitting there talking about... No, no, the low-level morons that have lost all their other factory jobs and...
They've been forced through engineering into that evil economy, that corrupt, that bad, that anti-human, that suppressing.
Grabbing some black kid because he was caught with cocaine the government shipped him when he was 14 years old because the MTV tells him it's cool with the bling culture and throwing him in a tiny cell to now be trained how to be a hardcore criminal.
That is evil against the human code of nurturing and growing and training and building and reaching for the stars.
There is evil, and I will declare abortion evil, I will declare us special, I will declare us a divine species in the image of God, and I will not let the technocrats or anybody else tell me that, because I know we're going to the stars, and I know our destiny is great, and I know a little black kid having pesticide tested on until they die is evil!
It is my instinct with the intellectual overlaid into the animal propulsion system to drive the species and to rally my fellow humans to come out of their cocoons and resist the tyranny!
Our prime drive is to build, and that comes out of scarcity in our development needing to have a drive, needing to be restless, needing to build a better mousetrap, a better throwing spear, so that the tribe could survive.
I don't think that's fundamentally evil.
Yeah, there are subgroups of humans who are predatating, engaging in predator activity against their fellow humans like we are a subspecies that deserves to be fed on.
I'm saying that's sin.
I'm saying that's crime.
I'm saying we need communities of purpose and I agree with a lot of what you're talking about.
Yes, but you fail continuously to see the fundamental point.
And what is the fundamental point?
It's human conditioning and not genetics that has the relevant issue here.
If you want to maintain this society, say for example, you want to continue this thing you call the free market, which is probably the most, I mean, monetary system of all accord.
This is the type of thing that people need to understand about the environment.
As long as we have a monetary system that is based on people getting advantage of each other.
You know those $29.95 DVD conspiracy combo packs you sell?
You know what you have?
You have a little $29.95.
It's to manipulate your audience into buying it because they don't think it's $30.
This is the type of nonsense manipulation that goes on every day that we think is commonplace and it's a distortion It's anti-human.
You engage in it.
I am forced to engage in it.
I'm forced.
If you want to get a job, if you're to get a job anywhere, you are participating in a corrupt behavior because you have to take that work away from somebody else.
But he, A, just engaged in just amazing hypocrisy.
And I'm going to finish this and let you counter.
People listening on the internet.
You know, saying the incredible, those little DVD compacts, you know, you sell.
It's, you know, $29.95 is manipulative and, you know, it's bad.
And then you go on to say that what I am forced to sell, you know, exactly you sell your films.
You have the money for the computers.
Let me finish.
The money for the cameras, the money to fly places, to interview people, to make an even better film, to pay for your apartment in New York or wherever it is you're at.
To do all of this, and I'm not saying that the monetary system isn't a total throb of fractional reserve banking and fiat currency running a scam or an image, but if farmers want to create their local county or city money that they agree upon on exchanging, that greases the skids of commerce, makes it easier for them to exchange goods, that's something that's needed.
And I've done whole shows on marketing and saying, why don't I sell a video for $20.
Why do I say $19.95?
Because psychologically, the $19.95 sounds like it's somehow less, and plus it's what we're used to in the parameters of bigger advertisement, so it triggers those neural pathways that make people buy.
Now, I really resent the fact that I pioneered, I pioneered 12 years ago, putting my videos on the web for free.
And then even paying with my own bandwidth, not just for free, paying to give it to people!
Paying to be a slave!
And then I pioneered viral videos on the web, I pioneered going up and bullhorning politicians, I pioneered going and taking over press conferences, and literally...
I had no idea I was doing it at the time, it just seemed most effective.
I've done all this, I've given, I've given, I've given, I've given, I've given, I've given, and then you could say that I'm evilly manipulating people, selling things, and how I'm selling it, but then in the next breath admit you are selling stuff.
That is, and I always love it, you know, the futurist and the engineer you interview in your film, Jacques, His house is up for sale right now, this 20-acre compound I saw online.
The financial system, not in the way it's constructed, but the actual underpinning mechanism that guides human behavior in the economic structure that relates to business and everything else, will lead only to corruption, monopoly, self-preservation.
Well, it's not because they're greedy and evil, and Madison Avenue told them.
They like the shiny thing.
So to say that humans wanting things, or wanting a house on a hill because they can see a beautiful vista, to claim that people wanting things is inherently bad, it's just that it's lower on the hierarchy of needs.
And if you will do immoral things for things, that's bad.
Hey Peter, it sounds to me you're another one of these intellectuals who will say vicious, aggressive things and then piss their pants if anybody else... hold on a minute... piss their pants if anybody else says anything half as mean back to them.
Okay?
And now I'm really going to do a critique of you and now I'm getting out the fine-tooth comb.
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Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
This all started a couple weeks ago when I watched Zeitgeist Addendum.
And I came on air and I said, look, all I know is I'm hearing the same buzzwords.
Government withering away, eradication of the classes, and we're going to play those clips.
And I said, I think these people all mean well, and I think it's all interesting.
It's just human nature.
And look, human nature, you've got two men on the air, and look, he's getting fiery, he's getting upset.
That's the passion!
That's not evil or even something competitive.
That is the tectonic, volcanic fury spewing out of Vulcan's Blacksmith shop.
That's humanity.
So listen, I tried to give you ten minutes earlier just to run.
You say I keep interrupting, but you keep making statements at me, so I'm going to make counters.
Well, actually, my whole point was to actually discuss things with you, Alex, and I'm going to say a bunch of things, and you're going to come back on, and you're going to project a bunch of other things.
So, what I will say is essentially what I said before, because your audience is the most important thing here, and that's who I really would like to speak with.
Ladies and gentlemen, People, we have to start thinking about root causes of behavior.
We can't have these superstitious notions of reality.
Religion wants us to believe that there's a good and an evil.
This is easy to understand.
It's easy to think that some people are just naturally good and naturally bad.
This is a sad, sad worldview of humanity.
It's perpetuated and consolidated in our mind because the system that's been created continues this bad human tendency.
It continues this need for self-perpetuation, self-preservation.
Skinner and people talked about beyond good and evil.
So by any time we try to make a moral judgment, people say that's just religious.
Or, well hold on, I know Brahma cattle.
Brahma cattle are very aggressive genetically.
They're some of the most dangerous type of cows to have.
And that is genetic.
That's not trained into the Brahma cows.
Well, I mean, they've done all sorts of genetic studies, and I mean, a lot of aggression is genetic, and then it can be taken down or it can be jacked up.
But I think you'll tend to find, though, there's a lot of discontinuous information, a lot of bad research that's gone into the geneticists.
Ideologies.
For example, the reason that these cattle might be violent has nothing to do with their genetics.
It's the fact that they're born into this violent herd, and they condition those responses.
This is the nature with all dogs.
It's the nature... You know, there's a cliche of Rottweilers being mean.
This isn't true.
It just happens to be that the people that get these Rottweilers do so with a specific intent, and the statistics support that they're conditioned aberrantly.
Well, I think that's a big part of it, but a lot of people have nice, sweet pit bulls and rottweilers, and one day it bites their child's face off, so I don't understand that.
We're going to skip this break, too.
Look, in the limited time we have here, I really don't want to make this a fight, and I don't want to get... Well, you're not acting like it, man.
No, I was yelling excitedly here on air, and I want to try to go through some other areas of the film.
I want to try to go through some other facets, because I agree with you about how the monetary system's working, but are you saying that's basically any system that uses symbols to try to grease the skids of commerce?
But don't I need to know that if an ideology is going to work good and I'm going to sign on to it, I need to war game it out historically and try to look at it?
Or I just accept the ideology first and then hope it works?
No, you don't accept the ideology first and hope it works.
That's a faith-based ideology.
What you have is an intellectual analysis of the environmental conditions of the planet itself, and you begin to restructure society based on what we understand today.
That isn't going to have a central... First of all, well, the first thing that I think the natural progression would be to build the first city.
As I said earlier, this is a technological development.
We have to recognize that everything we have is of the technology.
It's owed to human creativity.
It's owed that we can create things that relieve us of human labor.
I point out this tendency, this clash we have with the labor system and human employment, excuse me, labor system and automation, and this is extremely prevalent.
We used to have all factory jobs.
Now we have a service industry.
And service industry is slowly being phased out as well.
This isn't some plot of the New World Order.
This is a natural element of technology replacing human labor.
So rather than be fearful of this, we have to harness it.
We have to utilize technology for what its real gift is, and that's extensions of us to relieve us of different things that we do not want to do, or don't need to do, or are dangerous to do.
And that is a central philosophical point in this arrangement.
To build the first city would rely entirely on pure renewable energy.
We're talking with Peter Joseph, the creator of Zeitgeist.
And he's now made a dendum.
I would hope that some of the Zeitgeist viewers would check out my documentary films.
Because I know the society is engineered, it's stated, it is called the Scientific Dictatorship.
My film, Endgame, Blueprint for Global Enslavement, details just a small part with specifics of what they're doing, how they understand human progression, how they want to face humans out of involvement with the machines, with the systems.
Whereas this could be an empowering thing, as Zeitgeist is talking about, and I actually agree with that in a lot of the film, They are using it as a way to say they don't need humans, and that we're overpopulated, and we're a scourge, and we've got to just be gotten rid of, and that's been widely discussed and is being pushed by the leading transhumanists, not the whole movement, and the eugenicists, the crypto-eugenicists, and others.
And I was asking the fellow we're talking to with his ideas, the Venus Project ideas, how we would start, and I actually agree, it would be a model system You know, a town, a city, an area, to be a demonstration of the future and what we can move into.
But then I would ask him the question, how do you stop the establishment from trying to move in and block its development, because they're trying to block anything that decentralizes power?
Essentially, the establishment would do everything it could to stop any type of system that was self-preserving in its own way, self-sustaining, excuse me, because you can't get profit off of efficiency, sustainability, or abundance.
That's why our system right now, the free market as we call it, or monetary system, monetaryism as I coined, will never ever work because you can never have a world without war or poverty on a system that's based on differential advantage and scarcity.
The profit is made off of scarcity.
The limited number of things available makes it more profitable.
The old companies have been raping people all the past few years, or continuously since the 1970s, with this general tactic, and it's pervasive throughout the entire system.
So, naturally, the establishment will reject this, and I'm very aware of that.
That is why, at the end of Zeitgeist Addendum, I have a series of boycotts.
When the public begins to wake up to the reality of what's possible as a human species, away from all these ridiculous institutions that have no relevance to anything, Then, that's when the true awakening will occur.
People will try to distort the system, they will try to bomb it, do whatever, anything could happen, but it doesn't matter.
Because the system will prevail because it's based on something true.
Not money, not competition, but resources and creativity.
That's the clip we were playing last week, John, which sounds very similar to the H.G.
Wells stuff, but not the H.G.
Wells clip.
It was the clip number 10 is what it's called.
Go ahead and play that.
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We're such an abominable, sick society that we won't make the history book.
They just say that large nations took land from smaller nations, used force and violence.
You'll get history talked about as corrupt behavior all the way along until the beginning of the civilized world.
That's when all the nations work together.
World unification, working toward common good for all human beings and without anyone being subservient to anyone else without social stratification whether it be technical elitism or any other kind of elitism eradicated from the face of the earth.
We have turbulent value systems, we have distortions like religion, we have distortions like fashion, we have distortions like greed and competition that are pervasive and completely perilous.
The point is, is that he's speaking idealistically.
World unification without a state.
What does that mean?
No one can even think about something like that.
It means that the state does not serve the function of any type of state we've ever known.
It's not a state of control.
Humans are based in a condition of Humans are deriving their products from a system that is self-generating and self-sustaining, and they contribute to society not because they want money in return, or power, or any of the nonsensical inventions that we've created.
They contribute to society because they understand that the more you give, the more you get.
Every time people try to have anarchy in groups of bigger than three or four people, always somebody becomes what we would call corrupt, or sick as you would call them, and starts dominating the others.
working with you are and you know the experts you talk to i know we about the murder guys meanwhile they're very intelligent i'm saying that there is an oversimplification are you feeding in all the factors that you talk about yes of course we are we're not no one's ignorant to the current state of things by the way you know you're sitting there telling me i'm a good guy right And off the air, you come on, you tell me that I'm one of these intellectual elites that pisses his pants.
You come on here and you say, Like with some vitriol that I'm back as a $29.95 and I'm selling things and then you admit I'm forced to, you know, yourself.
Buddy, you're playing sad and spooky music on your stuff.
That could be seen as a form of deception much greater than saying $29.95.
I mean, if you want to take the gloves off, I can take them way off here.
Okay, I am trying to be nice here, and I understand you're in this view that you're so intellectual and so sweet and loving that you're just this higher pothead alien, and I'm this lower Neanderthal down here.
I understand all that.
You know, us Texans, I'm crapping in an outhouse out here every five minutes.
My point is, with you, is that I haven't been here trying to shoot you down or attack you, and I said on air about the pissing in the pants.
well i mean you're mentioning all these you know i mean clearly in the context all these all these terrible outmoded things and i'll read all the social worker books how the families of disease and all this i'm asking was a few is a family a good thing or is it gonna go by my day course the family the good thing family the natural institution family is where people return to in this type of situation but they'll be a different association because the family will become the community in many ways
Well here's the deal, with six and a half million people, let's say you got your society, you're saying it's just going to be so good that nobody does these bad things or these sick things anymore.
The internet audience is on PrisonPlanet.tv right now.
It is huge, hundreds of thousands listening on the web, and then millions over time on the web.
So we're skipping AM and FM breaks, shortwave breaks, satellite breaks, and so the audience is probably ten percent of what it was, but it is on the air, it is in the view of everyone.
All of this is, unless we just completely... I still don't appreciate your insult.
Well, I wasn't implying or apologizing for what I said.
I mean, I'm not... I was explaining, we're on air all the time.
I was just separately... I was separately... I was separately... Are you even aware you use debate techniques and lawyer tactics which are extremely dishonest just like your music?
Just like your sad music at certain points?
Why are you doing that with this corporate Madison Avenue manipulative music like in a drug commercial for Halcyon?
No, actually, for the first six, seven years of my shopping cart, we would say $20.
And then I went ahead and just on air said, I'm now to show you what Madison Avenue is doing.
I actually have been into that.
You know, have made the point a lot.
And a lot of times, even when I plug, well, I don't even really plug the videos anymore.
I never even really spend much time plugging them.
But I'm not in some guilt.
Hold on.
I'm not in some guilt.
If I paint an oil painting, I'm wanting to sell it, not because I worship a fancy car, but because I want a car that drives well and has a good titanium cage, and if I am in a wreck, my children won't be killed.
I do like, well actually I don't really like nice clothes.
I literally have like 50 blue and black t-shirts and blue jeans with holes in them because I like them.
But the point is, I'm not into baubles, trinkets, things like that.
But I'm not hating materialism.
It's just lower on my hierarchy.
I don't also go to the extreme of just saying basically anything materialistic is inherently bad.
I mean, I need to be able to own my own house.
I don't want a bunch of people in sandals, they're already here stealing farms and ranches everywhere, the phony environmentalists, and then they build giant sky rises on it and are all filthy rich with armed guards.
I also see the whole left thing of, oh, it belongs to everyone.
Okay, I got some other clips of Zeitgeist and Denim I want to play.
A lot of you will be checking it out.
Most of you have probably seen it.
I would challenge folks from the Zeitgeist crowd, which I respect and enjoy and think are great, but I also like to argue with people and I am competitive.
I can't help it.
I was conditioned that way and I think a little bit of it is the genetics.
I mean in a short segment for you to say whatever basically other points you want to make, then I want to play some clips and go through those with you in the next segment, sir.
Okay, well I can only continue to reiterate my central point, which I don't think has been fully absorbed, and I think everyone listening should seriously consider the reality that human conditioning is the central point.
Now I will jump to the fact that this society that we're talking about Can work, if people begin to understand what the central elements of it are, and how universal these elements are.
It's based on the carrying capacity of the Earth.
This is not some fantastic notion.
It's not something, it's not some utopia that someone invented.
It's not subjective.
We want to remove subjectivity and opinion.
From society to the extent where everything that's created systematically, every system that works in society is derived from a concrete foundation based on the available knowledge, the highest form of available knowledge and technology that we have today.
This will never occur in a profit system ever.
Because it's based on scarcity, and reduction, and inefficiency, planned obsolescence.
We are totally paralyzed.
People have no idea how free we could actually be if we allow the fruits of technology to flourish, and then the human value system will undergo incredible change.
Will it eradicate all types of aberrant behavior?
No.
Probably not.
At least not in any kind of quick time frame whatsoever.
However, the pattern and the path is extremely clear.
Prisons, police, we buy... These are horrific.
We think these are true institutions.
Someone does something, they want to throw them in prison.
This is the wrong thing.
We want to figure out why they did what they did and address the social conditions that create that environment.
Our entire society is completely backwards.
We can't function this way, and that is the central core of my thesis and what I want people to think about.
Human behavior is influenced to a very, very large extent.
And this human behavior is the source of the problem.
The New World Order will not change until you address the people that are at the very bottom and why they believe what they believe.
I mean, Alex, your whole website is called InfoWars, and I have to say, you know, I understand where you're coming from, because there is a battle going on, and it's important that people stand up for themselves, but this is not an end disposition.
There's a reason why peace protesters are met with guys in riot gear and automatic weapons, because they're waiting for something.
They want to perpetuate the war system.
They want the us-against-them mentality to flourish.
I mean... Sure, but that's because people aren't prepared for it.
They're not ready for it.
And this is something that I want to reiterate again.
No one's ready for this.
If you took somebody right now and froze them alive, and you had them rethought out and rejuvenated a thousand years from now in, say, a resource-based economy, they would be completely obsolete.
They would not know what to do.
Their value systems would be, their conditioning would be absolutely obtuse.
They would, most likely, they wouldn't work.
In other words, they'd probably kill themselves or they'd do something extremely defensive, and then something would have to happen.
I want people to identify the system and learn the system and learn how they're being manipulated, and then they can In a true free society, make decisions through that and then better ideas, better systems will come to the fore and then become dominant if we didn't have this overarching crime syndicate and we were able to educate the public not to reform it.
Well, actually, we've called in Austin and San Antonio and Dallas to ban them, and now they're restricting them all over the country and restricting them.
The San Antonio police chief just said they're going to take a lot of them away and restrict their use, and so they're being curtailed.
Well, you're not going to have the material for any type of society you're talking about, and I agree with a lot of it, without having a generally enlightened public.
Well, I have some little two and three minute... Well, I agree.
The evil, the corrupt system continues to generate always more and more of the bad things we're talking about.
We're going back live right now.
We've only got about 27 minutes left.
And I've got some two and three minute clips I want to play and then have you comment on them.
I think there's four of them when we come back.
So let's try to play those and then tell folks about your website and how they can buy video here we go mississippi river she's a gold drive the interest is up and the stock market's down and you're only getting mugged if you go downtown this song is about being self-sufficient living on your own property I believe decentralization is the key
We need more Americans to move to the countryside, to become organic farmers, to create communities where they trade and barter together.
You know, not big, huge, expansive thoughts that I think are important, but also the little thoughts, the little things that lead in a journey to something better.
But now you can't because they're shutting down the farms and ranches under the phony environmental rules.
There aren't too many things these old boys can't do.
All right, we are back live with the creator of Zeitgeist, very talented TV editor and producer, Peter Joseph.
And working in the corrupt New World Order system, as we all work in it in some way or another, he decided to go out and put it out free on the internet, Zeitgeist, but I do think he should be supported, all alternative films should be.
I think you should, while we're still in this system, buy his DVD.
How, unless I'm committing a sin here, how do we buy your DVD, Zeitgeist and the Zeitgeist Addendum?
You can get it for five bucks from ZeitgeistMovie.com.
I'm going to have the full disc downloadable in a torrent in high resolution, full resolution within a day or two, so you can get the whole thing downloaded and burn it yourself.
In a world where 1% of the population owns 40% of the planet's wealth, In a world where 34,000 children die every single day from poverty and preventable diseases, and where 50% of the world's population lives on less than $2 a day, one thing is clear.
Something is very wrong.
And whether we are aware of it or not, the lifeblood of all of our established institutions, and thus society itself, is money.
Therefore, understanding this institution of monetary policy is critical to understanding why our lives are the way they are.
Unfortunately, economics is often viewed with confusion and boredom.
Endless streams of financial jargon coupled with intimidating mathematics quickly deters people from attempts at understanding it.
However, the fact is, the complexity associated with the financial system is a mere mask.
Okay, that's enough.
to conceal one of the most socially paralyzing structures humanity has ever endured.
A number of years ago, the Central Bank of the United States, the Federal Reserve, produced a document entitled Modern Money Mechanics.
This publication detailed the institutionalized practice of money creation.
I mean, that's invaluable information, and he goes through the facts.
But to say that these private cartels that sit above the entire world economy, that this fraud is free market...
Free market is, I raise a bunch of pigs and go and trade them for a bunch of corn to feed more of my pigs.
Or I'm a gunsmith and I fix somebody's rifle for them and they give me a little gold piece or a silver piece.
So I just think that compared to all the other systems man has tried to create, I don't think it's fair to call this a free market.
What we have is Private central banking families coming in, getting control of government, and then using that as an engine to expand their control through empire, and it's a totally unfair system.
So, I mean, they are the only ones that can create the symbols that are seen as wealth, and it's a complete fraud.
But, I mean, what's wrong with having a government-issued currency that is controlled, and that can be expanded or contracted, but having public education debate about it, so that we can grease the skids of interaction, commerce?
I would say that the corruption, of course, is extremely prevalent, but the difference between what I would argue and what you would argue is probably the fact that the corruption you're seeing now is, in fact, created by the system itself.
It's simply a matter of time, because the entire monetary system is based on differential advantage.
See, in the early, early, early days, where you actually bartered for something else, there's less likely to be corruption now.
Insider trading, you know, the general manipulation, planned obsolescence.
This is a different world with strategies for profit that do not give a damn about human Humans at all.
The human value is second to monetary gain rampantly.
But when we see it partially existing, or in its pure form, it does create the greatest amount of goods and services and homes and food and medicine for the citizenry.
forever and ever people think about it much anymore but it's just a matter of time before what i heard about the world government is world monopoly you're gonna have things in a walmart is a natural culmination so people are thinking walmart is some kind of you know infringing thing that goes into a small town and her fellow is the more extreme expression of the parasite well let's say it's not free market It's using slave goods in select government deals to come in and displace the free market.
They're not slavery if people get shares in it, if people get stock.
It's through the brand name.
It's known that it can be trusted.
Let's play clip 2.
This is clip 2.
Here it is from Zeitgeist.
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And so if a man makes money selling a certain product, naturally he's going to fight the existence of another product that may threaten his institution.
Therefore, people cannot be fair.
And people do not trust each other.
A guy will come over to you and say, I got just the house you're looking for.
He's a salesman.
When a doctor says, I think your kidney has to come out, I don't know if he's trying to pay off a yacht.
It's an inner thing, and that's why, because you can't trust that, and never will be able to, you need to not be so lazy, folks, and go off references or reviews from reviewers you trust for a movie, or for a car, or for a website, or for a film.
You know, it takes not being intellectually, individually lazy, and we've been seduced by Madison Avenue into this, but to then just say that, well, finish the clip and we'll go back and get our guest comment on it, the maker's comments.
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People, if you came into my store and I said, this lamp that I've got is pretty good, but the lamp of the next door is much better, I wouldn't be in business very long.
It wouldn't work.
If I were ethical, it wouldn't work.
So when you say industry cares for people, that's not true.
They can't afford to be ethical.
So, your system is not designed to serve the well-being of people.
If you still don't understand that, there would be no outsourcing of jobs.
government and the Chinese government 30 years ago make a deal to selectively allow them to have select cadres of corporations make goods, sell poisonous food, do all of it, and the public was brainwashed to basically accept it.
But take Ted Anderson who owns Minus Resources and sells gold and silver.
He told me the other day, he said, yeah, a guy called up, this is off-air stuff, I don't know much to be saying it, and wanted to buy maple leaves from me.
And Ted said, listen, I didn't get a very good deal on these.
You really ought to just buy some silver.
And I've got a guy that got some silver, and he just gave the guy the number to call it.
And the guy was so happy that he got such a good deal, he called back and bought a bunch more gold of a different type.
And then Ted, because he gives business to other brokers he knows just being nice, Ted then, when nobody else can get gold and silver, these big brokers are selling to him because they, and that's not a good old boy network.
There's not every single instance is going to be people looking for their self-preservation at that particular moment.
However, if Ted was pushed into a corner with elaborate competition for another company that was very, very competitive against his pricing structure, you would see him behave very, very differently.
If his livelihood is put in jeopardy, He is going to manipulate his environment to get what he needs.
I agree with you on that, but before we run out of time, here's an example.
You know we only see a limited part of the light spectrum.
The science has shown all these other dimensions.
Who knows what lives on other planets?
I mean, the point is we have very limited views.
What we know today would be total magic a hundred years ago or a thousand years ago.
I mean, how can you just say... I mean, certainly religions build a box around it and create priests and get power from it, but I mean, you know, other experiences, you know, the mind within, the soul.
I mean, how do you know? - Well, you can't, if someone, if you find a whole group of people dancing around a tree, they call it a boo-boo tree, and they sit there and say that this tree has all the power that controls everything, I can't disprove that.
I'm saying it's a human idea that is central to who we are, and that religion, alchemy, is what developed the sciences, and it's humans knowing there's more, humans pushing the envelope, reaching out into other dimensions.
And then it manifests through ridiculous boo-boo trees.
But I mean, just to disdainfully... I mean, there's all sorts of good things that come out of religion.
You know, slavery, you could argue, transatlantic, was started by people misinterpreting the Bible, but then it was people interpreting the Bible who then got slavery banned.
But let me say this, that's actually, in a way, it's a healthy firewall, because there's new ideas, which are normally old as well, nothing going to the sun, repackaged, which are damaging to the family.
I think the Arabs saying, we hate your television and your corruptness and your destruction, and obviously they suppress women in their own way, and men as well.
But, you know, we don't want to turn our girls into little whores.
We don't want to use your drugs.
We see your TV and we call that the great Satan.
I mean, in a way, that has allowed them to keep themselves from being dominated by the West.
These cultural things we have also have a defensive measure.
already gone through it a thousand times on the website you did change some stuff in your first edition your first one you did get a few of those dodging things wrong and you're not infallible either Of course not.
Christians see this New World Order system attacking their religion, and let me tell you, whether you believe it or not, the New World Order, by and large, are Satanists.
I mean, they worship death and destruction and me, me, me, me, me, which is the Madison Avenue God.
I'm well aware of it, but I don't recognize it with any type of interest because it's no different than anything else.
Of course you're going to have these divisionary aspects.
I know about the bohemian grove.
I'm very familiar with all of this.
I know about the occult orders that existed for a long time.
They're just a bunch of little clubs jockeying for their own ideological and personal power.
It's an age-old type of thing, but they are all a product of their conditioning.
I'm going to keep reiterating this, and I want everybody out there to go to TheVenusProject.com, to go to TheZeitgeistMovement.com, and to think about these ideas, and to realize that of all the things we've talked about, Alex and I, the most important is to realize why people behave the way they do.
And I argue that it is not genetics, it is behaviorism based on conditioning.
The parameters of the system are self-evident, and this is something that people have to learn about through Jacques' research to understand what he's talking about, because it's extremely foreign to what most people tend to understand and be conditioned to believe.
We have the ability to harness a structure that is universal and nearly universal based on our understanding, and everything else will culminate because of this.
We live in such a distorted society that these opinions and these biases and these religions and these ideologies are so pervasive that no one has any idea what to believe.
The fact is, you break it all down, we need food, we need air, we need water, we need the resources of the planet.
Simultaneously, we need to realize that technology is our savior and always has been.
We just don't give it that name, we don't recognize it as such.
As Carl Sagan used to say, we love the gifts of technology, but we reject its methods.
And it's time we utilize the methods and have a world based on what we understand, not superstitions and projections and age-old traditions that are no longer needed or outmoded and irrelevant.
The decision-making process, again, I can't go into the exact details because it's a bottom-up capacity type thing.
You relate to it, you build upon it, the conditions become self-evident, and that's what you need to understand.
If you've ever researched the scientific method, you'll see that when you build something, all the conditions become apparent as you work.
And this is the most important point.
It's an empirical understanding based on the natural carrying capacity of the Earth.
Saying that you're going to build this world when humans do the same thing over and over again instead of acknowledging that we do have faults and do have problems and trying to teach people to stand up for themselves and go after corrupt systems.
I'm just trying to have us survive and do that first and then I always hear the establishment talking about You know, pie in the sky.
I mean, so much of what you said we heard from the New World Order engineers, and they've built a top-down scientific society.
They've used the scientific method.
You and your guest in the film, your presenters, I mean, they keep saying over and over again, the elite know nothing.
They understand nothing.
They don't see it.
There's a bunch of clips where, are you saying in the film it's not said that these politicians can't have solutions because they don't understand the system?
The elite, look, they call it a scientific dictatorship.
They say we're cold-bloodedly, scientifically, setting up a hyper-dominant system over the population of the planet.
I mean, they are saying that they are, I know, I'm saying that your information is going to go out and it's going to be latched onto, this happens to me as well, I'm just saying, and then spun off into a horrid hybrid.
No, well, this is one of those things that you have to defend against to a certain extent when you're dealing with misinformation and ideologies that are misinterpreted.
You know, to talk about this is really futile.
It's good to recognize it, but this system has a universal implication.
You're saying it's a natural progression for this system to fall apart, to destroy, then to be rebuilt, and then you're saying the system you're talking about, are you saying that's a natural progression to move into this resource-based system?
Yes, absolutely, because we've finally realized with our technological understanding that resources can be utilized in a way that does not require scarcity.
We can have a world of abundance I mean, in abundance.
I don't have time to break it down right now, obviously, but you have to realize the multiplicity of the things... No, I understand it.
The New World Order knows we can have that, and they're setting up a world, they say it, they're setting up a world tyranny to block us from developing that.
I'm talking about true... Are you saying that they don't know because over and over again in the film it's said that they don't understand, they don't know.
No, they do know that this is possible and their New World Order will take on many of the things you're saying but only to get their dominance in to block things that empower the individual in the community.
That has no relevance to anything that I've said, and if you look at the research that we've done, that the Venus Project is about, there's no relevance to that whatsoever.
There's absolutely no opposition to anything.
There is a train of thought that is given in education to people, and they can take it or leave it.
And I'm of the mind, I think, once people recognize this direction, the New World Order, the elitists, the globalists, will not only not have a chance, They will falter and join, and they won't do so because of their own, you know, their own need to try to corrupt the system.
People are people.
People are parts of conditioning, and they want to see themselves live in a capacity which is beneficial to them at their very core.
If they've been conditioned to pure corruption, Well, I agree to that.