Webster Tarpley and Alex Jones dissect alleged "postmodern fascism," claiming Barack Obama is a Trilateral Commission puppet executing left-wing imperialism via austerity and environmentalism. They predict a future conflict targeting Pakistan to encircle China, warn of quadrillion-dollar derivative crashes triggering fascist regimes, and allege Henry Kissinger plans mass arrests. While Mark Koernke argues armed resistance could overwhelm law enforcement, the hosts dismiss Ron Paul's economic policies as "Herbert Hoover economics" and assert that defeating Obama is essential to stopping Wall Street's global control. [Automatically generated summary]
For the next hour and 15 minutes, roughly, we'll be joined by Webster Griffin Tarbley.
He wrote the first major definitive work, unauthorized biography, back in the early 90s on George Herbert Walker Bush.
I have researched everything in that book and followed up and did even expanded research with more modern information.
In my film in 2004, Martial Law, 9-1-1, Rise of the Police State, When BBC and then others after that did report indeed that Prescott Bush was the head Nazi in the United States.
And I really respect Webster Tarpoli's fine work.
Of course, his book covers more than just that.
It's now, of course, still in print.
He also has a free version up on the web at his website.
The new book, Obama, the Postmodern Coup, is a very interesting book and I certainly Respect Webster Griffin Tarpley's perspective and view on that, and I think it's important to read this book.
That's why we're offering it almost out of print.
The second edition is about to come out, but we have just a few hundred of these.
I believe it's publishers now sold out.
We have some of the only copies of this at InfoWars.com.
Obama and the Postmodern Coup, Webster Griffin Tarpley.
That said, I want to not just discuss Barack Obama's background and the time we have.
We're going to do that But I suggest you get the book.
But also, at a certain point it becomes academic.
I mean, Hillary represents the exact same people.
John McCain now has Zbigniew Brzezinski's son advising it on foreign policy.
That was in the Associated Press.
We got a lot of calls about that.
Thank listeners for pointing it out.
Now, at least on the surface, they have kicked Zbigniew Brzezinski off of his foreign policy advisory panel, Barack Obama's, but it doesn't matter.
The whole same crew, as Dartley points out, that wants to attack Russia, that wants to attack other countries in Central Asia, That wants to move nuclear weapons back into Europe and point them at the Russians.
I mean, everything he's saying is true.
My only difference is perspective on this.
It almost lends credibility to the whole election process when you're talking about Barack Obama versus Hillary and now it's Barack Obama versus John McCain.
I mean, it's a foregone conclusion.
It's like a Don King fight where he owns both the fighters and you know it's going to be rigged.
Either way, and then you've got all these neocons on Fox saying, oh, Israel is going to attack before the election to get John McCain elected.
I don't know if that's the case.
I want to get Tarpley.
Take on that.
Tarpley is quite a geopolitical expert.
His research is very good.
I constantly study and read and research and find that Tarpley's information is again very accurate.
I only differ with you, Webster, on the inferences you draw on the I mean, here's an example.
Two years ago, I was saying we weren't going to attack Iran then.
You were saying guaranteed with dates.
And so I think we can argue about how we analyze that data and what we come up with.
And so, I think you get the point I'm making here, Webster?
I would say, first of all, we have to look at ourselves like a naval battle.
We're confronting a hostile fleet, and you've got to concentrate your fire on the flagship of the hostile fleet rather than just scattering fire.
In every direction, and I think if you turn on the television for ten minutes, there is no doubt that Obama is the candidate favored by the controlled corporate media.
You're exactly right, but the choice that's being made is of course being made by Wall Street, and it's being made by our old friends, the Trilateral, Rockefeller, Bilderberger, Council on Foreign Relations, Rand Corporation, Chicago Schools, Skull and Bones, Ford Foundation, you name it.
They have all lined up behind Obama in a way that is unprecedented.
You've got a unified oligarchical front now around Obama.
He's somebody who's been raised literally up out of nothing by these trilateral people.
My personal hypothesis is that Obama was recruited by Zbigniew Brzezinski at Columbia University between 1981 And 1983, they had just finished up with Carter.
You'll remember that Zbigniew Brzezinski and Volker ran the catastrophic Carter administration.
uh... to to deploy into a uh... political upsurge in this country uh... approximately now two thousand and eight two thousand and ten two thousand and twenty and obama was one of the political properties that they picked up so they have been grooming him and indoctrinating him by the way i'm backing you up dr dennis cuddy has done a whole book on all these famous people when they're in college they'll be in the lunch line and david rockefeller will be there are some big numbers and she'll be there henry kissinger they go pick who they want
And that, I think, that is my thesis, is that that's what happened with Obama, and therefore all the wonderful coincidences and magic events of his life are guided by that fine trilateral hand behind the scenes.
But now, ultimately, why do they need him today?
Basically two things.
The entire phase of Islamofascism, war on terror, post 9-11, I believe is exhausted.
They think that it's By the way, the Romans would do this in their different protectorates and new places they'd taken over.
They would put a thug in for 5-10 years to murder, kill, stab, then they would publicly flog him, execute him, apologize, and then rise up somebody from that local area in Germania or Gaul or there in Excellent!
And in the case of Brzezinski, you can say this is the Hegelian dialectic.
areas and then they would raise up a local who on the surface would act like he was friendly to people but it would actually intensify taxation and control.
The attack that you have to worry about that's going on right now There's another country, three times bigger than Iran, with nuclear weapons that is being attacked.
The, the difference is that now the target list is, how do you weaken Russia, how do you weaken China, how do you strip away Chinese allies and Chinese strategic partners?
That means Pakistan is at the top of the list.
Not for this idiotic al-Qaeda bin Laden fairytale that we've already refuted and you've refuted so many times.
We're going to cover a host of issues with our guest.
Stay with us.
He's the author of The Obama Postmodern Coup.
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And if things don't change soon He will For a man has invented his doom First step was touching the moon Now there's a woman on my block She'll just sit there as the night grows still She'll say, who's gonna take away his license
Look, the reason I saw the elite, the Fox News type people having fundraisers for her quietly, Rush Limbaugh trying to make sure that she won, really pushing for that, as the major power structure of the neocons being behind Hillary.
And I said that she was going to be the person that won.
I said five years ago you'd hear Limbaugh endorse her.
I was right about them endorsing her.
I was wrong about her winning.
Just like Tarpley was wrong about them attacking Iran a year and a half ago, two years ago.
But none of us are perfect.
The point here is I don't claim to have all the answers.
I just know this.
To hold Hillary out and to say, well, we're attacking the main capital ship here in the Infowar, I just say it's all a latrine.
There are all different things floating around in there and I'm not going to say go for either one of them because it's that lesser of evils thing.
It just doesn't matter.
Discredit the whole process.
That's what brings them down.
Discredit them all is what we've got to do.
But now we've got Obama, we've got McCain, so we're analyzing that.
We are looking at that.
I mean, you're not denying, Webster, that Hillary would have been a willing servant of the very elite running Obama today, are you?
And global taxation paid directly to the private banks, making them truly governmental for the first time, with their own armies, intelligence agencies, and mercenaries.
They say, oh, Bush is against the global warming tax, so the left all gets behind it.
And now, oh, Bush is against attacking North Africa, which he's been gearing up and wanting to do, but because he publicly says he's against it, now the left supports it.
I mean, this is, please don't throw me in the briar patch, base psychology.
Yeah, the problem here is you can get the left liberals for all of these policies.
So, the one side of it is Obama is the face of imperialism.
Obama represents a facelift for U.S.-British imperialism in places like Africa.
The second thing is, in terms of potential for strike-breaking, austerity, cutting the living standard, And this kind of thing on the internal front, he has left cover.
That particular quotation, the stuff about you can't have SUVs, you can't eat as much as you want, you can't have the temperature set where you want, that comes directly out of Brzezinski's book, Second Chance.
That's a translation into slogans of about two pages.
In there where Brzezinski argues against the U.S.
way of life, it's not attractive to other countries.
But now, here's the biggest consideration of all.
Fascism.
Postmodern fascism.
What is it?
Is it simply a top-down phenomenon where you have a Bush-Cheney police state where it gets more and more oppressive and more and more wiretaps and more and more snooping and opening the mail?
Or, is it fascism something else?
Isn't fascism a grassroots mass movement with left cover, radical cover, a movement of fanatics devoted to a personality cult?
If you look at it from that point of view, Obama has it, nobody else has it.
In other words, when you look at things like Al Gore's Green Army Obama's Green Corps, Obama's Homeland Security Corps, Obama's volunteer programs, All of this gives you the idea of a private army.
In other words, an extra-legal force of goons, thugs, criminals, but also fervently idealistic.
And Mussolini, of course... And so they come in with Obama, and then capture the popular rage in a false revolution against tyranny, truly bringing in official tyranny.
Yes, basically, you go to fascism as a ruling elite, you go to fascism when police repression doesn't work anymore, when the army is unreliable, you've got to organize the population to crush itself.
And for that you need a plausible demagogue, you need somebody with this messianic, utopian rhetoric.
applied by the island and it's mostly look at muslim he was a radical socialist he was a revolutionary so uh... formidable that lemon praised him and when you look at the foundation of italian fascism you've got people like uh...
trade union militants disgruntled war veterans artists and intellectuals and these socialists and left this to have been outraged by bush are now driven into the arms uh... this corporate crafted uh... monster Right.
The essence of a top-down dictatorship is what you've seen, right?
The FBI comes and harasses you.
They tap your phone.
Fascism is different.
Fascism is a gang of goons who are probably environmentalists at this point, decide that you're a polluter, and they come and burn you out and beat you up or kill you.
And this is the difference.
See, there's a lot of stuff on the Internet.
There's this book by Jonah Goldberg.
There are these things by Naomi Wolf, I think her name is.
There's a guy called Britt who does The ten ways you can tell if you're in fascism.
What they all leave out is the mass movement.
The grassroots, bottom-up, left-cover, radical-cover, anti-establishment, anti-authoritarian movement, which is the essence of fascism.
Otherwise, you don't need a new term for fascism.
Why do you have to coin this in the 1920s?
Dictatorships, of course, have been around for a long time.
The young Mussolini between 1919 and 1922 put together a movement of radical revolutionary socialists who were interventionists in World War I. They wanted war.
That's one possible difference, although it's not as big a difference as you might think.
Artists, intellectuals, people who were disgruntled war veterans, people who were coming out of the labor movement, extremely militant trade union activists.
And you put that all together under breakdown crisis conditions of depression, and of course that's what we've got now, this then becomes a messianic, fascist-style movement.
Because you need a demagogue.
Now, the way in which they've done it today is according to a cookbook.
The cookbook is the Brzezinski-Soros National Endowment for Democracy.
It's what they did in Georgia in the Roses Revolution in Tbilisi, or in Kiev in the Ukraine with the Orange Revolution.
At the end of 2004, you get a telegenic demagogue, you get lots of money, lots of narcotics, you get renter mobs and duper mobs of fervently idealistic, swarming adolescent students and other people who just don't know what they're doing, you get a media swoon, you get media whores all over the place, bought and paid for, you get fake polling, and then you get slogans, colors, a process of branding.
This stuff typically comes out of the National Endowment for Democracy, the Albert Einstein Institute, and a guy called Gene Sharp in Cambridge, Massachusetts, along with an army colonel who works with him.
So they've perfected this for use in the former Soviet space.
Now, what happened at the beginning of this year was the model of the People Power Coup, or CIA Color Revolution, Was brought home into the United States, and that is what allowed Obama to get this insurmountable lead by gaming the crazy rules of the Democratic Party.
But again, focus on the mass movement.
Fascism is worse than a reactionary government.
People who lived through 1922 in Italy, the seizure of power by Mussolini, or the 1933 seizure of power by Hitler, There is just no comparison between some bourgeois government, no matter how corrupt, how repressive, how bellicose.
Yes, and of course, ultimately, after the fascists seize power, they then proceed to destroy all the resistance institutions in the society.
They go around, and again, smash you if they decide you're a polluter, or if you're a, you know, you're not appreciating Barkey Obama enough, they come after you, they beat you up, they harass you.
It's going on on the internet right now.
I mean, you have these Obama trolls.
Some of them are apparently in Gaza, some of them are in Bangalore, India, or other places.
He's got a Storm Troopers on the internet who go around trying to wipe out resistance.
On the internet.
Now, there'll come a time when that goes into the streets.
And these... Well, they've also announced in Canada, England, Australia, France, that they're now going directly to shutting off the old web and just not... These are the ISPs, major ones, not letting you get on the web anymore and only letting you go to sites they want.
A few thousand.
I mean, it's all happening now.
Everything is coming down.
And I agree with you.
Barack Obama's bought and paid for by the same people and he does have that mass appeal, which is very dangerous.
But again, I just want to be clear, you have the Zbigniew Brzezinski people also running the McCain camp.
I'm just saying, I'm not voting for either one, we need to expose both of them, because if you go to the left and say Barack Obama's bad, and lay all this stuff out that you're saying that's true tarpley, I'm talking about psychology here, then they're going to go, oh my God, you're for John McCain.
You're going to first go to them and say, John McCain's the new world order, John McCain represents the neocons, and Israel...
And hold on, and hold on, and then you've got the Rockefeller power axis through Brzezinski with this demagogue.
Barack Obama, and then as long as you explain that both of them are bad, then they go, oh I see, but if you aggress and attack their demagogue just on the face and say McCain's better, you have just actually energized, through the left-right paradigm mechanism, what's been ingrained in people, Barack Obama.
Well, you know, it would be nice to be able to stop Obama in some ideal way.
But in the real world that we have now, You've got to say, the only way to do it is 175 delegates shift out of the Obama column and into the Hillary Clinton column.
And then you've got a lame duck Hillary and a lame duck, I mean obviously, 9% approval rating for the Congress, the elite knows the system's discredited, both parties are discredited, they've got to give you a new brown face to confuse everybody, oh look it's changed, he's a black guy, and I certainly see what they're doing, and they've even said, pundits have said, this will bring people back into government, back to the table, back believing in the system, Then there'll be another revolution in the next four years against his socialism as it'll be built.
Then you'll get a new right-wing government, which I think is the real final plan.
I think ultimately, and this is that you're right, because that's what Samuel Huntington has been writing over the years, eventually what you'll get after that is a right-wing fascism that will look much more like what people think of as the Hitler regime.
But in the meantime, look, the thing with Mrs. Clinton is simply this.
She has now been royally betrayed.
She has been stabbed in the back by the entire Wall Street group.
The media have turned against her.
She's nursing tremendous grudges.
She would actually be more independent than any of the three.
McCain is somebody who can be controlled through rage states.
This is how they controlled Harry Truman.
Obama, we've seen it, he's a complete puppet.
Mrs. Clinton was already less of a puppet to begin with because of a sense of personal identity drawn from the years in the White House and the things that she's done.
She is part of the establishment, of course, which that means she's established.
She's not some nobody from nowhere, some barky who or Jimmy who that the Trilateral Commission has brought forward.
You could argue that when Clinton got to Washington in 1992, he was a puppet of Pamela Churchill Harriman.
And her group, the Democrats for the 1980s.
But she's long dead.
So these people have taken on something of a life of their own by winning elections and so forth.
So, those control mechanisms... No, I'm just saying, where they came from is directly out of the military industrial complex, dropping as a false left, little black hole to suck everybody into.
Tarbly, here's the deal.
Look, everything you're saying I believe.
I've already checked myself.
I respect you.
You know, I brought you on my radio show.
Tried to build you up.
Took you and put you on C-SPAN.
All of that.
And so, I'm not attacking you here, but I have to bring this up to you.
And I can play the clips.
I don't really want to dig them up and play them.
It's too painful for me to watch.
But I haven't really talked to you in about a year.
After those speeches you gave in Canada, what was one in Calgary, and some other ones saying Ron Paul is a fascist, run by fascists, they're planning on... No, no, no, I got the clips!
Wait a minute, you said it was anti-Mexican, racist, and that that's what was supporting him, and a bunch of other... He went very far into mexophobia, certainly, and I think that's...
What are you talking about?
Brzezinski and all them want 30 million illegals here blowing out the social welfare net.
We're not against the Mexicans.
Hold on, Tarpley.
There's 100 million of them coming into the country.
They've been nationalized.
They're very nationalistic.
We're like a country that doesn't have any of its white blood cells, like we have AIDS or something.
And then they come in with incredibly strong nationalistic immune systems politically.
And it's overtaking our country and bankrupting it.
And I'm sick of seeing 12 towns in Texas fly Mexican flags at their courthouses and saying whites aren't allowed here.
And I'm tired of the special treatment the government gives the illegals.
And see, to you, I guess that's because I don't like Mexicans.
And that's not what it is.
It's very painful to have to expose.
You speak Spanish, pal.
So does my wife.
She lived in Spain for six years.
And let me tell you, she hears what's on the Mexican radio.
Everybody thought Jeremiah Wright, Obama's preacher.
Now, the theology of Jeremiah Wright and his entire mindset Yeah, they wanted to radicalize blacks to make them violent so that they couldn't do what Gandhi did.
I'd have to look at... Tarpley, you said it on your radio show on this network with everyone tearing their hair out and letting you, leaving you alone to do it over and over again.
You know full well, just don't insult my intelligence.
I like you, Tarpley, but don't insult my intelligence.
I want you to answer for what you said about Dr. Paul because I know he's a good man!
Well, as an individual, I suppose he's a good man.
But, obviously, there was a great disappointment with 9-11 Truth, for example.
He said that he was in favor of 9-11 Truth, and he went on television, and he repudiated 9-11 Truth, and he said it was preposterous, and he told us to stop doing it because it was an embarrassment to him.
Again, fascists, I don't know why this comes in, but the point is, the Ford Foundation, in addition to creating organizations in the black community, like Jeremiah Wright, in addition to creating similar organizations in every ethnic group, The Ford Foundation has created these crazy Mexican groups like Aztlan, the group that puts out the map that all the Southwest is going to be annexed to Mexico.
And instead of responding to that at that level, it would be important, first of all, to continuously denounce the fact that this is the Ford Foundation and its associated foundations.
And secondly, try to organize those Mexicans yourself.
In other words, try to offer them some kind of a united front where they'd be fighting for something worthwhile.
Because what they don't get out of this Aztlan nonsense is they don't get a minimum wage, they don't get a decent...
Anyway, the point was, That that kind of Herbert Hoover economics is exactly what you don't need.
In other words, if you say today, under this condition, we have a dollar crisis, we have the death agony of a dollar, we have a banking panic going on, we have dollar hyperinflation, we have a systemic breakdown crisis of the entire system.
If you say under these conditions, I want the market, this means death on a huge scale.
The only possible policy under these conditions is To try to get control of the federal government and use it against Wall Street.
Because if you don't do that, Wall Street will take control of the federal government.
The point is, what you need now is basically a version of New Deal economics.
And this, I think, is something that would revolve, for example, around foreclosures.
Ron Paul went on Larry Kudlow on CNBC.
And he said he didn't believe in bailing out people who had bought too much house.
Well, what you've got to do under these circumstances is a uniform federal law that says simply, no foreclosures.
Stop all foreclosures.
And, uh, take it from there.
So, Ron Paul, I don't think would support that, because that would be big government, from his point of view.
You should outlaw foreclosures for five years of the duration of the crisis, of homes, farms, businesses, and everything else that's useful economically.
You should outlaw adjustable-rate mortgages.
You should outlaw derivatives.
The current crisis that's going on is a crisis of one quadrillion dollars of derivatives And there is no way out of that unless you simply wipe them out.
You've got to shred them.
You've got to delete them.
You've got to get them out of the world because you cannot bail out a capital structure that is that huge.
So I never heard Ron Paul talking about any of this stuff.
Another thing you'd need to do is to begin to shift the tax burden.
It is unrealistic in the extreme to talk about abolishing the federal income tax.
And if it's a quadrillion dollars of derivatives, and maybe two-thirds of that in the U.S., say $650 trillion, If you take one percent of that, you get 6.5 trillion of tax revenue.
That would go a long way towards guaranteeing the permanent future of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the entire social safety net, which I think are absolutely indispensable.
Ron Paul thinks that these are things to get rid of.
The point about the election is this is not yet determined.
This is open-ended, and we better seize the time.
The big thing is the scandal dossiers.
Obama does not run on issues.
Obama runs on the fact that he's a messiah.
Therefore, if you try to fight him on issues, it's impotent.
It doesn't work.
You've got to tear down the messiah.
That means ad hominem attacks, scandals.
And all the rest.
Here are the scandals that I see.
One is the Chicago corruption, Resco, Ouchi, Al-Samari, the three Levantines, the three Syrian or Iraqi Arabs that are behind him.
And these are all three convicted felons, all three embezzlers on a grand scale, millions and millions, hundreds of millions of dollars in some cases.
That's part of his financial machine.
Secondly, the Weathermen terrorists, the bombers, Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dorn, and a whole creek of other unreconstructed, unrepentant weathermen who are part of his machine.
They're his personal advisors.
is probably the guy who gave Obama the biggest break he ever got in his career.
That's the second level.
Third level is this, what I call the Ford Foundation Church of the Final Counterinsurgency.
In other words, Trinity United Church of Christ, Jeremiah Wright, Dwight Hopkins, a Ford Foundation fellow, Otis Moss III, another Ford Foundation grant recipient, James Cone.
That is this black liberation theology, which is essentially a doctrine of of hatred and to perpetuate racial conflict rather than to get rid of it another level larry sinclair And Donald Young.
Donald Young, the choir master of that church, found dead right before Christmas of last year.
He was the gay choir master in Wright's Church.
Larry Sinclair is a gay man who said that he had a homosexual encounter twice with Obama in 1999, with Obama using crack cocaine.
I would urge people to look into Larry Sinclair, his allegations.
It's been up on the internet since the middle of January.
Millions and millions of hits on that.
He gave a press conference here at the National Press Club and was then arrested.
Arrested on a warrant signed by Beau Biden, the Attorney General of Delaware, son of Joe Biden, the Senator who's trying to become either Vice President... And it turned out it was fake, yeah.
It's trumped up charges, but they're continuing to persecute him.
Larry Sinclair is in danger and he deserves the support of people who don't want to have a presidential campaign under Gestapo conditions.
Another layer, Ilya Sakhmatov is a Chechen ambassador of the Chechen terrorist group.
They've killed more than a thousand people.
Ilya Sakhmatov is living here in Washington at U.S.
government expense, taxpayer expense, He gets an apartment, a secretary, an office, a travel budget, a PR budget, and a nice stipend that most people could not afford.
And the reason he's here is because Big New Brzezinski lobbied, because Big New Brzezinski is so consumed by hatred of Russia that he wants Akhmadov here.
And others.
And then we have this Get Whitey tape, the famous Hate Whitey tape by Michelle Obama, which is clearly in the air and is likely to be brought out after the Democratic Convention is over.
I would just say to the people on the Republican side, don't be like that Japanese admiral at the Battle of Midway trying to get everything perfect before you launch the attack, because you may get hit first, as the Eliot Spitzer case shows.
In Amsterdam, I was just in Amsterdam, Holland, last Tuesday, to give a talk in the series.
They had their docs at the docks.
They have it every couple of months.
They'd had Cynthia McKinney, they'd had a few others, and eventually they got to me.
The main anti-Bilderberg publisher in the Netherlands is a guy called René van Praag.
P-R-A-A-G.
And he gave me an idea that I wanted to share with you that you should write a book in addition to everything else you've done.
You should somehow boil down your approach to things into a book and he would be Interested in looking into it with you.
He's put out a tremendous thing.
It's a comic book called Agent Orange.
It's an attack on Prince Bernard, the founder of the Bilderberger Group, showing Bernard as an SA, stormtrooper, and otherwise, you know, Nazi, back in the 1920s and 30s.
So, the guy's got some pretty good things going in his publishing house.
So, maybe you need to get into the book dimension in addition to everything else.
I did put Dissent and Deterrenting out, and we are working on a book right now, 1984-1776 is the name of it, and it's basically an overview of everything we do and what our philosophy is, so that's a good idea.
Let's cover any other issues you think are important, Webster, before we take calls.
Just one more, just so people can keep on top of it.
The face of false flag terrorism in the future, right?
Again, I don't think it's going to be Islamic fundamentalist anymore.
The only place they use Islamic fundamentalism now is to invade Northwest Pakistan.
But let me just tick off a bunch of faces, and then you can put together the composite of the next false flag.
One of the reasons the ruling elite wants Obama is they think with Obama, you could do false flag again, because Obama could say it, and then they would believe it.
Whereas if McCain or Hillary said it, they wouldn't believe it.
And that was in the Atlantic Monthly from Andrew Sullivan.
The new face, the Unabomber, right?
Ecological terrorism, Earth First, this kind of stuff.
Secondly, the guy that I just mentioned, Ilyas Akhmedov, as a figure for Chechen terrorism, and of course it's not just Chechen terrorism against the Russians, but it's every little group, the Basques, the Kurds, it's every group that wants This is Brzezinski's slogan, is that everybody deserves a mini-state or a micro-state, according to their own personal characteristics.
And that, of course, means the balkanization of the world, so that JPMorgan Chase and ExxonMobil can run wild.
And again, the Bernard Lewis plan, of course, just balkanization, right?
Divide and conquer.
Kazmierczak.
Remember him?
The Northern Illinois shooter.
The guy who was a student who had left-wing social concerns.
He was concerned about social justice.
And, of course, Cho.
The shooter at Virginia Tech.
A psychotic student, but of course, look at him.
He looks like he's Chinese.
He's Korean, but close enough.
He's not a Manchurian shooter.
He's a Korean shooter right next door.
A Chinese who's crazy and who's shooting.
Another one, Litvinenko, Litvinenko of the KGB, remember him, the radiological terrorism case in London, so a Russian with nuclear terrorism.
And then finally this FARC, right, the Betancourt, they did a whole media circus around This guerrilla movement supported to some degree by Venezuela, or at least verbally, that operates inside Colombia.
The goal there is typical Brzezinski.
When a neocon looks at Venezuela, the neocon says, bomb them right away, invade them.
Brzezinski says, you can't do that, you're too weak, you're too bankrupt, you're too isolated, don't do it.
Final segment with Webster Griffin Tarpley. - Hmm?
I did find his Canada speech.
Very interesting, to say the least.
You just type into Google v911truth.org and watch it.
It's very interesting.
I'm watching some clips during the breaks, but I did identify and find that.
But I can understand his fears and looking for the establishment, trying to find some popular movement to hijack, but that certainly wasn't Ron Paul.
That certainly wasn't what we saw there, and that was clear to me, and I think he's been very, very healthy for the planet and for people out there to think and understand the Federal Reserve is not their friend, the inflation tax, everything that's happening.
I want to go to Peggy Lynn, Don, Nina, and others here in a moment.
Webster, in the 15 minutes or so we have left, or 14 minutes we have left with you, but In closing, what do you think is going to happen with the economy?
Well, the Obama program, as he suggested in that no SUVs, no eating as much as you want, no setting the temperature where you want, is going to be extreme austerity, but with left cover.
For the polar bears to save the planet, global warming, this entire demagogic package of Al Gore and And Prince Charles.
So he'll be demanding global austerity for global warming.
Well, I've had a lot of different guests on saying the total amount of debt packages, credit cards, mortgages, all the different types of derivatives and leveraging out there, they say it's around $6,000 trillion.
Well, this obviously is a black hole that can consume the Earth, because the total value of the planet Earth and everything in it, at current rates, is about 100 trillion at the very most.
So 6,000 trillion, you can see you're just out of the ballpark.
There is no way to use austerity to prop up these bankrupt structures.
So you'll have basically the decline of civilization unless somebody stops it.
Now, in the middle of all that, though, I would say, remember, defeat the number one option of Wall Street.
It's clearly Obama.
Obama is the facelift for imperialism.
He's the credibility for false flag.
He's the ability to carry out austerity and strike-breaking on the home front.
If you defeat Obama, you will have defeated the entire banking establishment and the controlled corporate media.
That would then lead to an open field Period.
Again, if it were McCain, it would be a period of intense fighting and gridlock between the Congress and the President, which would be ideal for radicalizing things, in my view, in a New Deal direction, so that you'd get powerful measures for economic recovery that cannot be this free market stuff, but have to be powerful state interventions to get things going again.
In other words, what worked In the 1930s and what would work again is distinct from, well, Bush.
Yeah, my whole issue is that this is a show, a platform for you, the listeners, and our guests, and I take a call and it's You know, we know who she is.
I don't know who you are, ma'am.
And that you're saying that we won't say who really runs things, but then you won't.
You could have said whatever you wanted here, but you chose to do that, and that's part of the meltdown of our society.
At no point have you screened my numbers, you know, and that woman, she seems to me, she could not be specific about anything, you know, and I find the people I'm fighting with up here, same thing, they hit you with a bunch of things, and I think just trying to make... What's happening is, some of the zombies are being woken up, and I'm not trying to be mean to this lady, but I mean others, and they know the government's bad now, but then they can't tell what else is going on.
Yeah, I was just going to say, you know, you're always talking about the police and, you know, the fact they're not educated properly and dangerous here and dangerous there.
No one ever talks about a group of people, like up here in Canada, we've got them.
It's a private corporation and they now have police powers and they're very, very anti-public, like very, very anti-the people.
Well, they'll use something that sounds reasonable like animals to get you in the process of tattling and spying, then they move it over into regular spying.
All right, we're going to call you today and set you back up.
Thank you, Webster.
All right, we'll be back.
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You'll probably hear Willie Nelson back on Friday or maybe even on the Sunday show to announce it in his own words.
You know, he was here in studio with us last Wednesday.
We had him on air last Wednesday.
And I had been wanting to have him on about the impeachment hearings about, you know, pushing to not attack Iran.
I called him up that Wednesday and said, well, I'll just come on today.
So we had him on, and a caller called in.
I thought about this privately, but subconsciously didn't want all the work and the craziness of a big event.
Plus, I don't like asking celebrities for things very often.
And the caller says, why don't you have some type of anti-war slash 9-11 truth event?
And Willie Nelson said, I do that in a minute.
So I said, well, let's do it.
And on air he said, OK, let's look at seeing if we can do it.
And Willie isn't somebody who, I mean, everything you've heard about him is really the way he is.
I mean, somebody can drive by and flip him off and throw something in his car and he'll say, well, that fellow's having a bad day.
I mean, he's really just smooth, great guy.
And he's been anti-establishment for a long time, but I've now learned for ten years he's been listening to the show, watching the TV show in Austin, he lives here most of the year in Hawaii, the rest of it, and really woke up to the New World Order.
And then I was having an event a few I guess about eight months ago, when Endgame came out, and all of a sudden people said, Willie Nelson's here!
And I was like, yeah, right.
And all of a sudden Willie Nelson walked around the back counter where I was signing DVDs and shook my hand and said, I really appreciate the great job you're doing.
And I gave him my info, he gave me his, and he said, I'll be talking to you.
A few months later he called me and then was a guest on the show and the rest is history.
But to make a long story short, I started talking to him Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
We are doing an event.
It's locked in.
and uh... it is going to be a free event it is going to be free a free Willie Nelson event And he is basically, I said, hey, you're the boss, you tell me what to do or you have somebody else do it and I'll try to, you know, raise the money for the free event or whatever.
He said, no.
He said, you know, you just basically run it.
Invite a bunch of big bands.
I'll invite some friends of mine.
Once they hear I'm involved, a lot of big groups are going to want to come.
He's got Firemaid coming up with Neil Young and a bunch of other people, September 20th.
This is going to be in October.
I will tell you that it is going to be in October.
That is when you're going to have this event.
I was going to announce it tomorrow, but things got nailed down today.
But still, for reasons of espionage and other things, I'm not going to get into specifics probably until Friday or maybe even next week.
But this kind of emails I get from Willie, I've talked to him of course personally over the phone, but emails as well back and forth.
Why don't you put out the word that we are looking for other acts and let's see who wants to play.
I think there'll be a lot, thanks Willie.
And that's in response to my email.
I'm glad that we've nailed down the date.
I'm going to call Ventura tomorrow to give him the date.
I gotta do that when I get off air today.
The bleep of 11 is only two and a half months away, so I don't want to wait too long getting the details on how you want this to go down.
And that was the response to this that he sent me here.
And also, he said he wants it to be a free event.
Another email yesterday.
I'm supposed to call in the last two days.
I'm so busy I can't even call Willie Nelson up.
I'm going to be doing that after the show today.
And I've got to call Ventura.
He already said he would come in September or October.
He leaves back to Mexico in November.
Ventura going public for 9-11 Truth here.
You may see some other big people go public for 9-11 Truth at this.
It's going to be about 80% don't attack Iran, don't take us into World War III, but it's also going to be 9-11 Truth when you've got a Ventura and some other surprise guests that are going to be coming.
And this stuff falls right in my lap.
I mean, it is providence, ladies and gentlemen.
It is providence and We could have a paid event for $10 or whatever, guaranteed $30,000 or $40,000 will show up.
The place we've got can take $60,000, but there's not parking for $60,000.
There's parking for about $35,000.
So folks, you better understand that you're going to have to get bussed in or something to this, because this sucker's capacity is exactly $60,000.
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Willie Nelson was saying in an email last night to go ahead and announce it.
Then I got another one from him about 10 minutes ago that I just read during the break about another location.
So, you know what?
It might be a place with 20,000, a place with 60,000.
We're trying to nail this down.
So whoever puts a YouTube together, my earlier announcement, make sure that it's on there.
That's why this stuff just makes me pull my hair out, because that's why I don't even subconsciously want to do things like this, because then I have to worry about making sure it comes off right.
We were just playing Walter Cronkite, calling for world government and saying he sits at the right hand of Satan.
These people are in your face, another Bohemian Grove member.
What a wild day!
I found out last night Because one of my engineers went down to the event.
He called me and said, Oh, I was just down at Brave New Books.
Mark Kornke was in town.
I said, Oh, is it still going?
He said, No, it's about to end.
I don't have time to go down there, but I want to meet him in person.
I feel like I know him.
I've interviewed him so many times over the years, going back into the mid-90s.
And then when he got back out of prison being set up now, I said, Try to set him up for tomorrow.
Well, they were able to get him before he left town.
He's with us for the rest of this hour.
And we're going to go into overdrive today.
We're on AM and FM right now, but in about 25 minutes, the main transmission will end.
But we'll do about 20 minutes of overdrive.
I'd do 5 hours of overdrive if Corky could do it.
Also, I have to deal with this concert and about 10 other insane things that are going on right now.
So as we try to Finally nailed down this concert that's going on, and I want it to be free, they want it to be free too, but who knows what's going to happen here when you're dealing with superstars like this.
But getting into the whole geopolitical realm, Mark Kornke, in studio with us.
You know what, it's always fun to be down here, because down here in Texas we know it's the big state, and it's got big hearts, and we've got big hospitality.
That's exactly what we've seen all the while we've been here.
What has it been like in your life when she woke up to the New World Order in the late 80s and now, you know, being one of the leaders of the re-founding of the Patriot community exploding in the 90s, being sent to prison on trumped-up charges with the police on their own squad car running off the road.
I mean, it's been quite a saga for you and I think it's just beginning.
Well, we've actually been very, very busy, as you know, and as you get into this, you find out there's so much more to do, and that's exciting in and of itself, because you get a chance to meet all the people that are out there, and there's a lot of people, like you said, that have been in this before us, that passed the torch on, and we're now doing the job that they did at one time.
In fact, they didn't have the tools we have.
Look at the great trinkets we have to work with, that way they get the word out.
In the past, remember, it used to be, would you like to see a mimeograph?
And our enemy was in the old mindset where they could go to a world governance conference and where all these world leaders and Walter Cronkite could call for world government.
Now we can go get those old tapes and string 20 of them together with Prime Ministers and leaders calling for it and saying, oh, that doesn't exist.
Or we can, through Judicial Watch, go sue and get North American Union documents.
In the past we did that, but you said to hand them out.
And the other fascinating thing is, don't forget that while Walter was telling you all about certain things from one direction, he's also the right hand of Satan!
So, do you think, when people use certain words, especially when you see a statement made like that, even if he was trying to work off the cuff, that inventory, that process that he used that became a public statement, was sitting somewhere in his subconscious in some way.
He didn't just pull that out of his back pocket.
Usually that represents or demonstrates a mindset, a track, an ideology, a school of thought.
And when you capture it like that, they figure it's a nano-moment that will never be captured and brought back again.
And that's one of the things for a lot of your listeners right now.
There's a lot of new people that are out there listening maybe for the first time.
But let's say that they've gotten to the internet because they're retired.
Now, you're listening out there right now and you have a collection of beta tapes, or VHS tapes, or you were in an industry where you even saved part of what you did reel-to-reel.
There are old files sitting there where people are listening, and when you hear what you hear on the programming like this during the breaks or when we come back... It hits a tumbler.
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And now it won't be just that nanobyte back in 1964.
Now it's the truth brought forward to the year 2008.
So it's changing the dynamics of the battlefield, which is what we've been doing.
The other side, well, let's put it this way.
I walk all over the place.
I go all over the place.
And I also make a point of doing something everybody listening should do.
Do not hesitate to speak.
Silence and inaction is consent.
That's right.
It is action.
That's the best way to describe it.
Remember, the lack of motion is not an inaction.
The lack of motion is one of many choices.
If you fail to move, your enemy can either... There are two situations.
You can fail.
You can stop the motion so that you allow your enemy to move into a position where you can attack them better.
If you fail to move, and they're on the offensive, you simply become enveloped and overrun.
Well, in this case, the whole idea, there's a lot of people out there with all this cool technology that they may have used in the past, and they're thinking, well, it's obsolete!
I've got MP3, I've got... No!
You have sound bites and you have bits of information and evidence that incriminate and demonstrate over and over again the true culpability of an enemy that we've been facing off and successfully working against.
Think about what we've done in the last 20 years.
Think about what we've done in the last 10 years.
And again, look at the personalities that are coming forward, just like you've described in the program here, that are actually able to lever many, many other people.
Now I'm going to say this.
Alex, you've got a lot of people.
If you have one personality that comes forward, consider this.
It's kind of like when government says, well, I've got four letters in the mail, and people say, well, that's not significant.
Wrong.
The old formula was, if they got four letters on a subject, they knew that so many hundred thousand people were actually thinking the same thoughts.
In every situation, just like with these personalities, if you're affecting one or two people that will more than willingly come forward and express their position, That means that there are hundreds if not thousands of others that, given that final push, become part of the wave that supports your effort.
And that's what's happening right now.
That's what you're on the edge of.
Most everybody can see this.
They sense it.
They feel it.
They smell it.
They touch it.
They taste it.
And that's where we are with why everybody must speak out.
Don't worry about the character that was ridiculing you a year and a half ago.
You know what he does now?
He does this, Alex.
He looks down at the ground.
He'll look over anyone, but he will not look at you when you're speaking.
Well, actually, again, we have the sliding timeline.
Number one is we have Jorge Bush, the second, the best president Mexico has probably ever had, and will.
We have perhaps a person who's looking to create a duchy out of Texas and the southwestern United States if he would just let the timeline go the way it is.
However, as again we're seeing, there are obviously enough people involved in government that are concerned with the idea that somebody wants to be expeditionary before he leaves office.
Not of his own accord.
George Bush, if he starts a war with Iran, isn't doing it on his own accord.
He's being told by somebody else to do this.
As is traditionally the case, if he gets us into a conflict overseas, what's the argument?
Well, we're already in it!
What did we hear with Iraq?
Well, now that we're in it, we can't back out!
Now, getting us into Iran, especially being a... Isn't he a lame duck?
That would be one option, but here's the problem.
What if... Instead of being a lame duck, he becomes a lion?
And decides to grab hold of the meat and stick.
And that's the most realistic scenario.
Between a combination of an attack inside the United States, a 9-11 type scenario, which everybody's been talking about, and an attack on Iran, which of course would be an aggressive, a war of aggression, just like the first war of aggression we've been in with Iraq.
You're going to see a situation where there will be greater and greater response from outside the United States and the international community.
Now, there's two attitudes, and we've already heard this, and you're seeing this.
We need to take Americans to the international court.
And then all of a sudden we go to a higher tier, alien to the United States, outside American jurisprudence.
And so it's, for them, their perception is one way or another they can make this a win-win.
In other words, how do you take and turn a, you know, a mud pie into a, you know, something edible?
You have to, you know, one way or another, even though it looks bad for us, for them, they're directing the actions in such a way that if we decided that we're going to, well we can't really deal with this in the American system, we'll take him to the world court.
Taking them to the world court means that we then have no... I mean, what's the appeals process for this?
Where do you go?
And how do you control or regulate a process that is so far away from the people that there is no control or regulation?
That once, as we've already seen with centralized American government, If you let all the power gravitate to a position so far away you can't see what's going on, the scallywags gravitate there, how can anybody with any intelligence argue that the United Nations, the World Court, and all of these other structures, who would answer now to no one, wouldn't gravitate to the exact same policy that we are already complaining about with Washington?
Clinton's so evil, Bush is going to come in and save us.
Clinton's been so bad, now Bush is the savior.
And then, okay, we get George Bush, and now he's been really bad, so Barack Obama is going to save us.
And it's the same left-right paradigm, or Tory versus Labor, where they control both sides.
And I know this is simple to the listeners, but the general public doesn't understand this.
It's literally just a new sheet of paper for the birdcage liner, and then after four to eight years, they remove that piece Or be it six years in England or whatever, and they just remove it.
Same thing in Israel, same thing in Germany.
We have to get back to basic issues to try to explain this to the public.
Issues of liberty.
But, you know, a lot of people thought Bill Clinton was going to go for martial law because we saw the plans, the executive orders, the gear up.
He was there.
But that started before even Reagan.
It's just gotten bigger and bigger and bigger now where they could try it, but it may be a Barack Obama that does it.
It may be a John McCain.
But you're saying you think there's a lot of evidence that it may happen now.
Well, that's the first window, is there's a sliding scale.
If Bush decides to make the effort to do this, the problem that we have is how many people, for instance, in the military would actually go along with it.
The way that this would have to be done is, from the military perspective, and other people who are in agencies, even, who do not go along with or agree with what's happening, There would have to be a very quick containment bubble to restrict it from expanding into the crisis mode, which is what they want.
And that's where, again, now when people ask, well, why would they have said that to Nixon?
Inside the system, they already understood, because of the documents that now have been declassified, they knew within the system that that was a possibility.
The system understands that this scenario, if it's played out, if you're an analyst of any kind, if you're a person working within the system in any way with authority or with responsibility, That you can walk through step-by-step to see the end result.
And it's so obvious now, it goes back to H.G.
Wells, what he stated in The Open Conspiracy.
He said, at a given point, it would become so obvious that it would be impossible to hide the agenda.
And that at that point, it would be the most dangerous for the Ringknockers, for the, you know, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderbergers, whoever, the Bilderbergs, in that what would happen is all of their actions could be seen by even the most naive of individuals, or at least they would ask questions.
The problem is that they're not all-powerful.
This is what people make a mistake on.
They want everybody to believe that, but that goes back to the basic rules of warfare, be it European philosophy or Asian, that the basic rule is to convince your enemy that the war is lost before the first arrow has left the bow, as you said, Sun Tzu.
But we're going to go to break and come back with a final main transmission, and then do 20 minutes if you can do it.
Overdrive, just for internet audience alone.
PrisonPlanet.tv and InfoWars stream listeners.
But you're absolutely right about that, Mark.
So we'll come back and get more into those issues with Mark Kornke.
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All these years talking to him over the telephone or on the radio.
We're going to have him on with us for 20 minutes.
That's the 3.20 Central Standard Time.
In fact, I'm going to give you my local studio number for anybody that wants to call in and talk to Mark in that commercial-free segment.
Then on the web, the rebroadcast will begin from the first three and a half hours of the show with Lindsey Williams.
We have back on today Dr. Stan Monteith, Webster Griffin Tarpley, and of course Steve Watson as well.
Well, it's interesting, that's exactly where I'd go is, isn't it fascinating?
Most people say, well this is a unique idea by this dynamic individual who just pulled this out of his hind end.
It was a plastic bag, okay?
It was very messy, very stinky, but he took the plastic bag off and look what he discovered!
When in reality what we see is, and they don't expect this to happen, is for everybody to be able to demonstrate a coordinated effort by a series of individuals who supposedly are disassociated.
Remember, they'll say, I don't know who that guy is.
Well, wait a minute, okay, the exact same thing that you just proposed here in the United States, this shyster over in England just dropped in everybody's lap.
Except, you know, and there again, what's fascinating about that is, and again, purely control.
It's just the idea of control.
When you look at the changing technologies, When you have all the conservation and recycling systems in place, why would you have to take a four-minute shower?
It's purely designed to get you into the nutcase scenario of being a plebe, you know, being a slave, being a peon.
Otherwise, think about it, with closed system technologies, I got into this years ago, back in the seventies... Well, I told you this was going to be a rationing car.
Except that an interesting thing, years ago, my father had to take some additional college classes.
He worked as an apparatus supervisor in designing equipment for the fire department that he worked for.
And one of the things back in the 70s that came up with these honest college professors who were talking about engineering and also economics, they said, chances are, and this was said, I had a class in Eastern Michigan.
He took a class in Eastern Michigan with a totally different professor.
And both of them said the same thing.
They said, chances are, within a very short period of time here, we're going to have a war waged against us, and we're going to have to fight, and we're going to have to kill the ecologists, the eco-freaks.
Because what's going to happen is, they're going to deem, and he said, watch how this works.
You're seeing this in publications just like this brief from England, that it's a totally different age.
In the past, they could have waited.
We wouldn't have known for two or three months, maybe a year.
Before we found out that, hey, somewhere in an English paper, the London Times or whatever, somebody finally looked on page C14 and lo and behold, here's the exact same thing that was being talked about on the exact same day somewhere in the United States.
The advantage that we have right now is that the information base and the data systems involved are just as much in our command as it is with the enemy.
In fact, more so because their assumption, and for whatever reason, remember, we got the thinkers, they got the stinkers, We're in a situation where we're able to cross-collate and reference.
The other side seems to assume, and because of the people they chose, they're in a very narrow band.
These people are not the swiftest, you know, they're not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
Well, again, that's a matter of what Google... I mean the low-level media.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
When you create a police state, Just like big government, specific criminal minds will gravitate to those positions or control freaks.
And what happens is they may give them another... there's two elements.
One are the zealots who don't care about who they hurt, what's going to happen, because they're into the groove with that.
On the other side you have Those who literally just would like to hurt people or are into the power factor and they're the ones from the other direction that know they can manipulate the first group and utilize them completely.
So they're the minority in both cases.
This is the comical part about this.
They are not the majority.
They could be neutralized very quickly.
If moose season were to open up tomorrow, there aren't enough moose to go around.
That's why Canada has a moose restricted system, by the way, for hunting.
Well, Mark, I want to say, I mean, you and I are both trying to have a peaceful solution to this and not have World War III.
The point is, is that the public has been trained And I've gotten a chance to meet people in business, high-level Hollywood people.
They're just regular folks, too.
A lot of them are awake, too.
People think that I walk on water, or you walk on water, or we're somehow magical, too.
Well, the same goes for people in government.
They think that these elitists are perfect or invincible or magic or different.
No, they're human beings, too.
They're just like everybody else.
I mean, I kind of somewhat thought this myself, that people who were in Hollywood floated on clouds, or that elites were smarter than I was.
Only now, as I, you know, got more prominent and got involved and learned more, I realized, no, that a lot of the people aren't even as smart as I am, and I don't think I'm that smart.
I've got a number ten and a half size military boot here.
I'm going to stick it between the slats of whoever it is that's stupid enough to try and push us around.
I'm going to run his hind end back on down the road, give him a backpack full of rocks, and let him swim halfway back to the spiders.
And that's not that I don't need a peaceful solution, but my problem is this.
Do you talk to a backed-up toilet?
Do you negotiate with a backed-up toilet?
Have you ever done that?
Is anybody out there listening ever done that?
Do you know how stupid that sounds?
At a given point, you're going to have to go in and get dirty.
In order to make that toilet work again, you're going to have to go in.
Somebody is going to have to go in and clean things up so that the toilet works again.
Now, you can either turn your nose to it and start using a five-gallon bucket out behind the house and figure, well, we'll just shut the door on that bathroom.
Or you can enjoy indoor plumbing and civilization by cleaning up the mess.
And that means you don't negotiate with a backed up toilet.
That means that basically you get the plunger and you stomp its hind end.
Well, in a way, to a degree, the problem with that is we have been successful and we must acknowledge our successes, but we probably would have been better off in a war in 1995.
Because with each step we're going to have a deeper conflict.
I've argued this for years.
If you wait, both sides, in fact our side, we're not going anywhere.
We're right here where we've been.
We live here.
But your enemy has brought more and more resource to bear, so it will cost you more to win.
Exactly, but that's where we get down to the whole argument for years of what's called a battlefield on gimbals.
In other words, both sides are moving towards each other.
The battlefield changes depending upon the amount of weight that moves the pivoting gimballed wall, but at a given point, somebody is going to make contact and come head-to-head.
And again, here, if you look at what we're seeing right now, let me point this out.
Well, of course, in England, my personal attitude with them is that unless they turn around and basically ban it, whoever's there right now pushing this program, how are you going to get rid of a bunch of sycophants that are raised as nutcases from youth?
In fact, what this is, is these are the interior police.
What I've argued for years, and I will do it again... In KVD.
Yes.
In Russia, you don't see Hollywood doing any movies about communist Russia.
You can talk about Germany until you're blue in the face, Before World War II, during World War II, and after World War II, Joseph Stalin killed approximately 100 million people between Georgia, the Ukraine, the Stans, and God knows how many other places.
We can go right on down the shopping list.
Hollywood won't make movies about that, because Hollywood liked that.
Ten years later, Joseph Stalin was still butchering people with reckless abandon, and Holly Weird... And now it's come out, what we always told people, the CIA section chief, I'll never forget about it, seven, eight years ago, on History Channel, and it's now been declassified, and David Rockefeller's written about it in the New York Times and in his books.
They put Mao in, and he killed, their government says 60 million in official Chinese records, And we know it's more like 85.
Yeah, now here's a way for people to understand that.
I want you to go to the west side of this city, and I want you to imagine walking from one side of this city to the next, and everywhere you go where a person was standing, they are now laying dead.
Every man, every woman, every child, the cats, the dogs, they'd kill everything and anything if they felt it would empower them in some way.
Now you're not talking one time Austin, you're talking in Michigan for instance, walking from the upper peninsula to the bottom of the state with nothing but death before you.
Now I better, you better all ask this real quick of every American out there, is what do you want of this country?
And here's the thing, do you think you're going to ride this storm out and duck this?
And in fact the very voice you hear here with Henry Kissinger, that is one of the demons who absolutely helped to engineer it because he empowered Zbigniew Brzezinski and many others.
He created the conduit of resources that allowed them to be able to do it.
Now, they're not working in a vacuum.
And here's the problem people.
We're not talking over there.
We're talking inside the United States on a scale that most people, that's what bends their mind, is the idea that they have to look at this realistically.
The numbers.
If we go by the litmus test of history, the scale of history, we have demonstrations over and over again of what socialism does.
And if you look at Chinese model versus Russian model versus Ukraine, other places, we're talking, they're probably planning on killing In the entire multi-phase program, what, 60, 70 million?
I'd be happy if just, here's the problem, and they don't want anybody to think about this.
Everybody listening has one firearm.
Everybody listening walks out and takes their moose and just walks away from the war.
There are not enough moose to go around.
The black uniformed or blue beret moose are simply not in sufficient numbers.
You don't have to even fight the whole war.
If you went out and just plugged one and let it sit there and twitch...
And strip it for whatever's there, what would they do?
See, what Alexander Solzhenitsyn said, Oh, how we burned in the camps, knowing full well that we had had nothing to lose.
And if we had waited when the mass arrests began, with cudgels and sharp objects, the wretched machine for lack of operatives would have ground to a halt.
So here again, people, what have you got to lose?
Nothing.
What have you got to gain?
Absolutely everything.
You know what?
The only thing I'll say is this.
There's this war, and it is going to be a war, and it would be nice to say that it would be peaceful, but it's not going to be because you're dealing with an animal that is a vicious leg-biter.
You ever tried to argue with a dog that's a biter?
There isn't a whole lot of arguing you can do.
You either, A, shoot it, or have a really good 2x4 and smack it side the head and keep her down.
Of course, you can cage it, which would be really good.
It's first containment is a nice idea.
Usually the owner does that, by the way, if he's smart.
But in this case, you're the owner of these dogs.
They plan on just simply letting them run the town.
It's a minority issue, first of all, but here's the problem.
There's going to be a given point when you're going to reach the limit, period.
There's just simply that's all there is to it.
And those men, I've had men walk right up to me and say, Hi Mark, you don't know who I am.
I'm deputy so and so.
I just want you to look at my face and remember who I am because if I'm in uniform when this starts, the first thing that's disappearing is the uniform and I'm going to be with my family and we're already armed and we're with you.
And the reason they say that is because their perception is that they would like everybody to understand they're not part of this, and they won't participate.
And I can say this, but I cannot mention names.
I have watched this happen in the last year.
They've already tried to orchestrate something else.
And the point is that they're pressing the envelope.
But here's the thing.
There are many people, and they will tell you the same thing, that they are expecting to fight because the rabid ones that are chosen for authority Are not the thinking ones.
You have to get outside this box that you're going to negotiate with a backed-up toilet.
The backed-up toilet, in fact, this one has wheels.
It plans on being rolled down through your neighborhood, okay?
And that's the problem.
Look at him as nothing more than a backed-up toilet.
How do you fix it?
Break out the plunger and get rid of the problem.
Now, we are going to, we do get to choose.
One of the mistakes made here is, I will ask again, I want somebody to go to the National Archives and I want them to show me the vote that took us into the American Revolution.
The American Revolution started on April 19, 1775.
I want you to show me the ballot box and I want you to show me the counting of the votes.
It started when one man said, you know what, I've been out here seven times, Paul made his right, he told everybody to get up, we all got up, the British came out, the cowards ran.
They came out, and eventually, remember when the American Revolution started, the British had to sneak out of Boston.
The Patriot movement was watching everything that they were doing.
The counties knew that when they moved, they had to mobilize the militias.
And it was made up of all of the people.
And each time they went out, and they stopped.
And they went back.
And each time they went out, they stopped.
And this is part of history that they have to try and eliminate, because, wait a minute, they're the most powerful army on the planet.
What were they afraid of?
They were afraid of the people because there weren't enough moose.
Finally, on April 19th, somebody got stupid.
They figured, well, we just got to press the envelope.
One man, probably on our side, probably a 20-year veteran of the French and Indian Wars, said, I'm 62 years old and I ain't getting any younger and I'm not going to do this anymore.
Boom!
And he voted with a one-ounce chunk of lead.
The lead was cast as a, well, residing vote or resounding vote.
It was placed in the red coat ballot box.
And then the red coats cast a whole bunch of ballots, the patriots cast a whole bunch of ballots, and the militia withdrew from the election, so to speak, for a little bit of time and ran across the fields out of Lexington proper.
The British collected themselves went to look for another voting process at Concord and they found out that they were on the losing side and the number of votes cast were in favor of the Patriot effort and the largest military force on the planet backed by a navy.
And that's the problem with this lawless government and all of its crimes is it is pushing everyone into a Law of the Jungle scenario where the cartridge box is now the ballot box.
I think that if there's a, and again this was planned on for, let's see, we knew as of November of 1994 that in March, from March 21st to March 23rd of 1995 they were planning mass arrests of patriots across the United States.
We told everybody about it and said, this is before Oklahoma City.
Remember, that would have been the premise for the government doing the bombing and saying the Patriots did it.
Now the problem is that Oklahoma City happened in a vacuum.
Because we flat out said, here's how it's going to work.
If anybody is picked up, if you try to grab a whole bunch of people, you will die.
I looked right at one person and said, what do you think is going to happen?
I said, the only thing you need to bring is a whole hell of a lot of body bags because ain't nobody going to put up with it and you're going to end up with a whole lot of dead people.
So you're the ones that are going to be at fault for starting this thing, not us, because nobody's going to put up with this anymore.
And that did not happen in a vacuum.
That started in 1988 with the ATF and a series of abuses that went on for five years before Ruby Ridge, where they killed women, they killed men, they attacked people.
No, they were looking to show you that they could kick rumpus and take names.
And the logic there was to also puff up the infantry that are doing the job because secret... Give them a few victories shooting up churches.
Secret police have to... I mean, they have no... They gotta have blood.
They have no spine.
They're cowards.
Okay?
Just like you see here.
Popping a guy on a bike with three guys with a car or two guys with a car is nothing to me.
That shows me that you're dealing with a pea brain and a thug.
Okay?
When you attack a church with grandmas, grandpas, women and children and all the working men away, that's what savages do.
They wait until the men were in the field and then they attack the fortress or they attack the town.
The Indians would always attack when the men were in the fields or working because they'd be away from the treasure.
That's exactly what the savages did at Waco the exact same way.
And everybody saw it on national television and it still failed because what it did is it demonstrated what we tried to explain to everybody behind the scenes long before I did American Peril.
Now the same thing is true now.
It's going to be the same scenario.
At some point they're going to be stupid.
Now if they're smart, they're going to back off and they're going to sit down and maybe do the right thing.
What's going to change that is all these people that are listening saying, I saw what you did and I know who you are.
Because there's not, first not a lot of this... Now all of this puffing and blustering and black uniforms and festoon with medals is an attempt to intimidate like a beaten wife back into submission.
And then again, the other subtle thing, because they're cowards, they are not brave people.
To beat up on Alex by himself on a road in a dark alley, or anybody that we know, that's not an act of a man, one-on-one, that's the act of cowards who, of course, work in packs, when they have to deal with free men and women who stand the line, and in the light of day.
Well, I don't want people to know they have strength and power and the enemy is weak.
And we need to pray for peace, prepare for war, and we need to prepare to protect our families because there's no doubt this government is completely illegitimate and completely criminal.
And Mark, I have to say that you have a lot of courage to say the things you say.
I truly have weighed things and I try, my job is to wake up as many as I can, to energize as many people as I can, just as you have done and been successful at.
And to just let people know the nature of their enemy so they can make the decisions about what they're going to do.
And then I can point people at you.
Give folks your website.
I only have time to take two or three phone calls.
Alright, listen, I gotta give him some calls here.
Eric in Philly, you are on the air, go ahead.
unidentified
Hey, wonderful.
Alex, Mark Corky.
You were incarcerated for seven years, Mark, and I believe the main reason you were able to get through that is because you had the unbelievable support of your wife?
By the way, you can go to Type Mark Horky on YouTube.
It's one of the hundreds of videos, if you can find it quick, where you can see the squad car video.
Back before YouTube, we aired it on AXS TV, when they were setting you up, and it was the cops were chasing you, and they run you off the road and charge you.
The whole thing in a nutshell is the incident itself was orchestrated from beginning to end.
One of the things that came out on the 911 tape is the call from the bank.
Uh, hello, 911.
Yes, we've just been robbed.
Uh, is he right there?
No, he isn't.
Well, where is he?
Well, he just walked out of the front door of the bank, across the street, and over to the Sheriff's Department.
And she goes, what?
Would you repeat that?
Well, we're right here, standing in the bank window, and he went right out the front door, and across the street, and over to the Sheriff's Department.
And it goes dead quiet on the other end.
Now, he then walked across the street, goes to the Dairy Queen, which is only from the distance of here to that store across the street from your office here, and meets with the duty sergeant for the Sheriff's Department.
Mark, I just want to let you know I've got all your old tapes that you put out, and I was saying that, you know, my father told me a long time ago, like back in the 70s, he asked me, you know, do you believe everything the government tells you?
And I just, you know, said, Oh, 75% bull.
And that's when he told me, he goes, you know, son, that you always going to have to fight for your freedom.
And then that's when he told me that one day you might have to.
So I think you're right that people should be getting ready because they've been at this a long time.
We try to bring you the best people as possible on the show.
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Good deal.
And to Mark, I'd like to say that a familiar name I hadn't heard in a while.
I worked for the city in which you did for 18 or 19 years and we followed the things that were happening to you and I consequently had become
A whistleblower for the place in which I worked and took on the government and accused them of fraud and corruption and other things publicly in front of council being on tape and I'm sorry to say they got me because I'm not as tough as you guys are but they rode me out and gave me a medical disability and are now voting to take it away and leave me high and dry so
I just want to applaud you guys who continue to fight despite the... Well, we need you!