Alex Jones and Jordan Maxwell dissect a New World Order conspiracy claiming the Vatican and European royalty have ruled for 2,300 years via secret societies like the Knights Templars. They allege the U.S. Constitution was abolished in 1868, turning citizens into chattel, while Henry Kissinger views soldiers as "dumb animals." State Rep. Charles Key joins to discuss Oklahoma House Joint Resolution 1089, asserting state sovereignty against federal overreach and questioning the Federal Reserve's authority. The episode culminates in theories regarding an inside job for the Oklahoma City bombing and a broader cover-up of globalist control, suggesting a systematic erosion of liberty through financial devaluation and suppressed information. [Automatically generated summary]
Jordan, we're going to be back on the main radio show in about three minutes, but I didn't want to waste any of the time that we have with you.
So we're on air right now on the web.
I want to walk through for people, because I know you've been immersed in this so long it becomes old hat, but I want to look, going back briefly, at the roots of all of this, and then what's at the top of the pyramid.
Has it been one congruent group?
How many thousands of years has it been congruent?
Because this is a world that's awakening.
Yeah, it's just such a convoluted subject when you want to talk about who's actually in charge.
you were or others were, are just now beginning to wake up to this.
So I want to cover as many points as we can.
Then we can point folks at jordanmaxwell.com to find out more, okay?
Yeah, it's such a convoluted subject when you want to talk about who's actually in charge.
I would say that Europe, as I said, for 2,300 years has been at the bottom of all politics And, of course, Europe has been the home of the Roman Empire.
And, of course, the Vatican dominates Europe today.
As a matter of fact, we are used to, in this country, hearing about royalty and the princes and Prince Charles and Prince Andrew and the Queen Mum.
But all of that royalty, the entire concept of royalty of Europe, is based on God's, on something called the divine right of kings.
Okay, okay, well let's, I want to give people just a basic overview who don't understand of why these secret societies are important, where it's going, who they are, and then currently today, top of the pyramid, you're saying I think that Europe is at the top of the pyramid, and Europe is the problem with America today.
European secret societies are... And at the top of that pyramid, you really think it's the Roman Catholic Church?
Well, I'm going to try to keep Jordan five minutes to the next hour, but then we have State Rep Charles Key exposing Oklahoma City as an inside job bombing, and then they've passed resolution to fight the New World Order at the state level to basically pull out of the union.
And the new order continues to expand.
That is coming up in about an hour.
Man, time has really flown by with Jordan Maxwell.
Jordan again is a permanent researcher into the core documents of the elite and what makes them tick.
Jordan, give us a tour of the basic history of where all this really starts as best you can tell.
Have they been passing on knowledge?
Do they Claim they have the secrets of the pyramids in Atlantis and all this, or is that a fable?
How much power do they really have?
You talk about how their main goal, and now they admit this, is to create two species of humanoid, dumb us down, exterminate most of us.
I'm just throwing out the basics here, because broad strokes here in the time we have, and For the behind-the-scenes viewers of PrisonPlanet.tv, I want to continue that discussion afterwards.
After you finish that with, you believe the Roman Catholic Church is at the very top.
I didn't mean the Roman Catholic adherence to the people, but that system dominating Europe and that it's at war With the Knights Templars who went to Germany, who went from there into Scotland and then into the United States.
Are those two, the Anglo-American establishment, really waging war with Europe?
Or why on the surface does it look like they're all working together?
Or is that what the New World Order is?
Was the Knights Templars claiming they were going to build a new order, but now it's really just a new order that's run by the Vatican?
Again, this is where all the evidence points.
That's why we're here discussing it.
It doesn't matter if it's TBN with all their weird statues, or Protestants, Catholics, it's all run by the New World Order.
But Jordan was saying there could be some splits there.
So I want to walk through that with his expertise.
But Jordan, that's a long-winded question there.
Try to tackle that, you know, scanning the pyramid.
I mean, let's say you had ten minutes to talk to the world about the structure of it, who they are, why it's important to know.
It's all one operation that goes back thousands of years into the ancient past, a religio-political establishment on the earth.
In the ancient prehistoric world, The kings were always not only head of government and law, but they also represented the connection between mankind, their followers, and God.
So consequently, they held absolute sovereign power.
And I have always understood that kingships and princes is nothing more than the crypts and the bloods.
People who have taken for themselves Uh, the idea that they are royalty.
You've got to be out of your mind.
Not to question who said that you are royal.
I mean, in America, nobody likes to be around somebody who is pompous and arrogant and better than anybody else.
Nobody likes to be around those people because everybody realizes those people live in a dream world who treat you and mistreat you and look down on you and snob you.
People know that that's just a fake and that they're no better than anybody else.
So we naturally feel that about people who are snobs.
However, if it's the Holy Father or the Queen Mum, now that's different.
We will get on our knees and shake and slobber on ourselves because we will be able to see the Holy Father, or we will be able to see Queen Mum or Prince Charles.
We'll struggle and pay whatever we have to to get in line to see Prince Charles drive by when in point of fact the British royalty Vatican royalty, royalty all over Europe, is nothing but the crypts and the bloods, gangs, gangs who have murdered and killed and destroyed the freedom of peoples all over the earth, and today they are in power.
They're ruthless, they're murderous, They are nothing more than gang wars, secret societies, criminal cults, criminal operations.
Royalty and holy people at the top, the priests and the holy ones of And all the different religions from the Billy Grahams to the papacy to all the silly nonsense that's on Christian television with all the preachers who are making 10-15 million dollars with their huge enormous churches.
It's nothing more than a con job.
It's a con job.
And people are extraordinarily interested in being lied to, deceived, You know, even in the Bible, there's a story about Pontius Pilate bringing Jesus to the crowd with Barabbas.
And on the one hand, he's got Barabbas, which everybody knows is a con artist and a murderer and a thief.
And then on the other side is Jesus, who represents the truth and the light.
And it's a metaphoric story where government says to the people, Pontius Pilate, head of government, says to the people, Here is Barabbas, a murdering, thieving scumbag.
And here is Jesus, representing the truth and the light.
And the scripture says, with one voice, the people cried out, Give us Barabbas!
Which is translated symbolically to mean, when the people of this world are given an opportunity to know the truth, or to crawl on their knees before their masters, Who are nothing more than liars, murderers, bloodshedding thieves.
Well, I mean, you know, in a country that is Staggering in their economic woes and economic disabilities in this country.
People are crawling on their knees, sleeping in their cars, and yet the alcohol industry, smoking industry, television, Uh, entertainment movies are making a bumper crop.
Well I read government documents, I mean the new thing said you'll be arrested if you're seen hugging your child or kissing them.
That's right.
I mean so and the government says we'll be in gray uniforms with shaved heads basically lobotomized and that's who's even allowed to live and I see them phasing that in rather quickly the way it's going.
That's exactly what I'm saying and so I'm frightened because I know what is coming on the earth.
I know the kind of world which is coming and the people have no idea generally speaking the public doesn't know they don't care because they've been acclimated to it they have already learned how to crawl on their knees when they see uh... some holy most some holy man with uh... with a robo at that the black role they shaken fear uh... efforts of the black role for the priest a shaken fear so they've been acclimated and taught
To be impressed with movie stars and wealthy people with big money.
And the reason why is because they realize the entire human race is worthless.
The entire human race is going to buy anything you put out there And now it's like the criminal element doesn't even know what to do with itself anymore.
It's so easy.
It's so easy to just fool the people because they love it.
That's like the White House publicly says they're running Al-Qaeda and has them attacking Iran, and the media says Iran is Al-Qaeda when they're Shiites, the opposite group.
And then, it's just all over the news, Republicans saying, we love terror attacks, they sure help us.
I mean, how much more obvious, and then Gary Hart writes a letter, has it published in the newspaper, saying, our government stages attacks, Iran better do what they're told.
I mean, they're basically, they may come out and say they did it soon.
Couldn't care less, because it doesn't mean much to anybody anyway.
Even on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno, when he does the jaywalks, when he walks down the street and talks to people and asks the average American, you know, who won the Second World War?
They don't even know what you're talking about.
They didn't know there was a Second World War.
And of course, that thing we talked about before, about that young lady Miss Teen America.
I see it very, and it frightens me because I see the children on the streets, little ones in schools, thinking, my God, what kind of a world are we leaving our children?
You know, and people say, well, I see a light at the end of the tunnel, and people are waking up, and I said, look, the only light at the end of the tunnel is a train coming.
Because eventually, you're going to wake up and find out that the situation was far more serious than you even suspected.
Well, that's the thing, is that people think I fearmonger exaggerate, and literally 99 times out of 100, it's many times worse than what I even thought.
And that's what scares me, is that it's so much worse than what you're saying.
And now the mentality frightens me.
Yesterday I went to Disney Studios, for example.
To deliver a letter.
I got a letter from Disney for some piece of business and they said, please get this in the mail immediately or bring it over to us because we need this paperwork immediately.
So I put it in an envelope and drove over to Disney and drove up to the security gate and said, would you please drop this in the mail for a certain party?
And they said, oh no, no, no, no.
We have to open it up and read it.
We have to sit down And so the security guy has to open the letter and sit down and read my personal letter and read what's in it first before he can decide if he will let that piece of mail go through.
Because he doesn't know because he's got a badge and he's in charge.
I mean, anybody that's got more than 500 brain cells going all in the same direction knows it.
It's outrageous, but I was just saying that I went to Disney Studios yesterday, because I got a letter from Disney saying that there was a piece of work that I'm doing with Disney, I was just saying that I went to Disney Studios yesterday because I got a letter from Disney saying that there was a piece of work that I'm doing with Disney, and they needed a contract signed.
And so they said, get this back to us immediately because you only have a couple of days to get this contract in.
So get it immediately or bring it over.
So I took the contract over in the envelope, sealed it up, and drove over there.
Yeah, just throw it in the mailbox and drop it in the mail.
So I said, this is just a piece of mail, but I wanted to drop it in instead of mailing it because it's time sensitive.
And he said, oh, no, no, we can't do that.
So we have to open it.
We have to open it up, and I have to read it to see what's in it first before I can deliver the mail.
I have to at Disney.
I have to open the mail, and I have to read the contract, and I've got to see exactly who wrote this contract and who signed it and what it's all about.
And I said, "Why don't you just drop it in the mail?" Because if there's anything wrong, the people who it's going to will tell me, "That's not your business to know.
You're just a security." No, no, I've got the badge.
I'm in charge.
It's my, I'm the boss 'cause I have the badge.
So I have to open the mail and I have to sit down and take a few minutes and read this contract and see who it's going to and who signed it and before I can drop it in the mail, And I said, why don't you just drop it in the mail?
No, no.
I have the badge and it's my job and I'm in charge.
Well, it's the same kind of thing at the airport.
That's why I don't fly anymore.
That's why I do not fly anymore.
Cause I don't want to have to take my pants off, my shoes off.
If the United States is run by the Knights Templars, or I guess you said it's inseparable, and then the Vatican wants to get rid of the borders, why does every city, and I have articles that came out in the news today and yesterday, mainline news, the police do not arrest illegals for drinking and driving, they do not arrest them for anything but felonies.
and they are also hiring aggravated felons that are mainly foreigners who join the military, and the illegals are literally above the law, and then even when the police say Mexican troops are kidnapping and killing Americans, the news tells them that can't be true.
Well, because it's a base, first of all, it's a very important base for revolution in the North Americas.
It's a very important operating base, like the Contras have bases in Central America, like the, uh, Medellin Cartel have their protected bases of operation for drug trafficking.
Well, for tyranny and, uh, and drug trafficking, Underworld activities.
Mexico is a hotbed.
My God, anybody who's more than 10 years old has been to Mexico knows that.
Mexico is a hotbed for secret societies, crime, criminal syndicates, drug trafficking.
So you want to make sure that the borders are left open because the bottom line is that Europe has had enough of America freedom.
I mean, that's so obvious to me, because I've been looking at it for so many years.
Well, but our enemies, the enemy of the American people, hate us because of our freedom.
And I'm going to tell you something that is the bottom line at the end of the day, that is the only truth there is, is that the enemies of this great republic Hate this republic because they cannot have a new world order in which the entire human race crawls on its knees like animals to their masters of superior masters
With a country that talks about individual freedom, liberty, and justice for all, you've got to destroy this nation, and who are the enemies?
It's the Roman system of Europe that has been dominating the Earth for 2,300 years.
But, uh, very, very interesting, ladies and gentlemen.
We'll be right back.
Jordan, let's keep talking behind the scenes here, but we do have folks watching on PrisonPlanet.tv and listening on the web right now, and immortalized on the web.
Jordan, and what a perfect plan to use the U.S.
as the instrument to attack all these innocent countries, to carry out torture, to let the torture news come out, and then we get the blame, the United States gets the blame, and then we're totally replaced with the whole European Union system.
If you go on my website, which we've been talking about, to questions, and we were talking about that on page one of questions, I show how the Vatican, from the air, and looking down on the Vatican, you can see the Union Jack flag right in the courtyard of the Vatican, and how the... Then if you scroll down, we're talking about dog tags.
And why did the military have dog tags?
Well, Henry Kissinger, in his book, Kiss the Boy's Goodbye, by Henry Kissinger, he said, quote, military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.
Henry Kissinger says of the U.S.
military, they're just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns.
So that's what the elite think of the American military personnel, men and women in uniform.
They're just a bunch of morons to send them out, and who the hell cares that they get killed?
They were just a bunch of animals anyway.
As a matter of fact, according to English law and the English language, a man and a woman, by the correct use of English language, man or woman, It's masculine or feminine.
That's the correct way to talk about a man or woman.
It's masculine or feminine.
According to British English law, animal is referred to as male or female.
And so consequently, on all of our ID, it says, are you male or female?
You are not considered by law a man or woman, because man or woman, according to British Maritime Law, have certain rights and privileges that an animal don't have.
And since we don't have that, we are male and female, not masculine, feminine.
In the last month there have been more car bombings, more rocket attacks, more killings.
Mexican troops in uniform came into Phoenix and killed people.
How many miles over the border is that?
And LAPD won't ask about immigrant status.
Associated Press, I was mentioning that.
I've got several articles like this in front of me today.
That's out of the Associated Press.
And my whole point is, is that the Spanish stations are all got names like the rebel, the race, it's all we're going to take over, we're going to get you, we're going to overthrow the U.S.
And the government's saying, oh my gosh, give all your rights up, there's Al-Qaeda everywhere, and there's no real Al-Qaeda, it's Al-Cieda.
But meanwhile, there is a real group with TV companies buying 700 billboards saying, L.A.
belongs to Mexico.
You've got people that are tourists to Mexico get shook down and robbed, the media covers that up.
You've got the illegal aliens, and I've been told this.
Cops called in yesterday and agreed, but I've had it happen right here in Austin.
You can drunk drive, no insurance, no license, above the law.
Citizens, the books are thrown at, and the police are told, do not arrest illegals.
And it says right here, they can be under felony charges.
And they do not bring up if they're illegal or legal or not.
That is not an issue.
So, for all intents and purposes, the borders are wide open.
That fence they're putting up is to keep Americans in.
You know, my whole point is, during the break you were talking about Henry Kissinger's own book, Kiss the Boys Goodbye, and it's a quote he admits, where he said the military are dumb animals to be used by us.
The police are hated by the New World Order and used, the military are hated and used, they call them dumb animals, our future is being destroyed, and I guess, Jordan Maxwell, we the people and the establishment, the minions, I guess we're just going to assist in our own destruction, Jordan.
We have lost our souls, we have lost our minds, and we've lost our republic, and now we're just going to lose, period.
And the reason why is because most people, I understand, it bothers me, but I understand why Most people do not relate to the stuff that I've been talking about for 45 years, and I understand why, because most of what I talk about has nothing to do with football, sports, basketball, none of that.
And it has to do with researching and studying the movements of the bankers, the history of the world, ancient history, and how it impacted football.
It's, you know, you're a bunch of scum troops, you're going to serve us and love us, I don't want to hear about your dead bodies, shut up maggot scum and help me bring down this country!
No, I know, but I mean, that's the incredible part.
You go, your master says you're nothing, and that they're using you, and they'll just smile at you, and say, but I've got some pieces of brass on my chest.
And then of course, you know, the Leopold Stone, that's also on page one of my box on, let's see, what is it, on questions.
On page one, research, on the bottom, the most holy of all relics in all of England, the most holiest relic in all of England is something called the Leopold Stone.
It's treasured by the royalty as a very important symbol for royalty power in England.
The Leopold Stone.
Go on my website to questions and scroll down on the first page to the bottom and you will see the Leopold Stone.
Yeah, the dog tag, that's what military people and people in law enforcement have an identification thing on a chain around their neck and it's called a dog tag.
And the reason why is because that's exactly what the military is conceived to be.
A bunch of dogs.
I mean, that's what Henry Kissinger said.
I don't know, it's just outrageous to me.
All you gotta do is just read a book.
Just go to the library and get a book on any of these subjects.
And like I said, just go on my website.
I've already done all the research for you.
Just go on my website and go to Research Boxes.
And there's all kinds of boxes there on all kinds of subjects.
And go through my website because there's a lot of material on the links.
And I do it even, there's just so much on my website.
There's a world of difference between the United States of America up until 1868, and after 1868, we have a new operation called United States.
It's not a republic anymore, it's called a public policy.
You know, even the Supreme Court, the head of the Supreme Court, I've got a quote on my website, or I'm going to put it on if I don't have it, where the head of the Supreme Court said that the Constitution of the United States was officially done away with in 1868, officially, by law, in 1868.
Period.
It has not been enforced, it has not been of any value in this country or in this operation of this republic at all, period.
Yeah, cognitive dissidence is what the whole country, this whole entire republic is filled with cognitive dissidence.
Meaning, if you hear something that you've never heard before, or is in opposition to something you've always believed, Your mind cannot be wrapped around that information.
You just don't want to hear it.
You don't want to hear it because it doesn't have anything to do with what you believe, and you have your own truth, and so you don't want to look at the facts.
Like the fact that we told everybody there was mercury in there, and the government said there's no mercury in the shots, and now that they've had to admit, okay, it brand-damaged tens of millions, and it is in there.
Like I said... But the slaves were told that it was not in there, so they will default to the old line and say, I don't care if the government admits it now, I love it.
Well, I mean, that one general said it on my website.
I've got that quote in the box of quotes.
There's a picture of the general and testify where he said, one of the top generals in the Middle East said, for American generals, said, yeah, it's sometimes fun to kill people.
Yeah, there were so many, but basically the Pope today Ratzinger was the head, before he became Pope, was the head of that organization in the Vatican that was, we call, the Inquisition.
Yes, and what it was during the Middle Ages, we call it the Dark Ages, because the human race was going through things which were very dark, and that's why we call it That time as the Dark Ages because we were in the really going through some dark stuff.
Now why were they trying to suppress all scientific knowledge?
We knew they'd hoarded it all and knew the truth.
Why did they want it?
And now they want to, the Club of Rome, the Bilderberg, they say again, they want 10% of us to be living, basically living on farms, everybody else exterminated, and then they'll be in high-tech citadels, bases separately from us.
But the Inquisition It was an extraordinarily important time in human history in Europe when anyone who would even act like you're going to, that you are for liberty and justice and freedom, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom to think, you were hunted down by the Vatican, brought in, and we know the stuff that went on.
The Vatican priests would pour hot lead into children's faces In front of the parents, they would open your mouth, the children's mouth, and pour hot lead.
Now, psychologically, they know when they do the White House memos, ordering the Joint Chiefs of Staff to tell them to torture children with pliers, rip their genitals off, and then the public hears that and accepts it, and says, oh yeah, that's Jack Bauer.
That's a great journey of evil, isn't it?
If they can get us to accept the most evil thing, torturing children sexually, then they've got us, don't they, Jordan?
Yeah, and when you read Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's book, Mein Kampf, we've known for, I mean, I grew up as a kid knowing, I had the New York Times, my dad showed it to me many years ago, and the New York Times had a huge article about Mein Kampf was written by a Jesuit priest.
It was written by a Father Stemple, S-T-A-E-M-P-F-L-E.
Go on my website and look up Father Stemple, and it will tell you all of the information there about who actually wrote Mein Kampf.
It was a Jesuit priest at the Vatican who wrote Mein Kampf for Adolf Hitler.
And so, you know, I just am amazed at how much people don't read.
That's what my website is all about.
Just go on my website and wander through all of the boxes, all of the links.
They already have departments in government that will start the trouble, the wars or whatever, then control it, and then bring in, like we know, the opposing party.
They financed both sides.
It's just, you know, there were television shows made years ago.
What was it?
Get Smart?
Remember on Get Smart?
They got a new movie out, Get Smart, but in the television series Get Smart, there were two sides.
One side was called Chaos, and the other side was Control.
And what do you think they're telling you in the comic series Chaos and Control?
And consequently it was always both sides of being financed by the same people.
The same people caused the chaos are also the ones who are bringing the new control.
Well, look at what the way the SS Gestapo worked in Nazi Germany.
Watch the, you know, look at the way they, their pompous, arrogant attitude that all humans were nothing more to be used as animals.
That is precisely the attitude today in America today.
That the working class people are nothing more than just their kids can be raped, you can run them into the ground, jack up their gas prices, do anything you want to these people, because they're nothing but masses of ignorant human flesh.
So just do anything you want.
Take the good-luckin' ones and rape them, and take the children, sell them, do anything you please, because it really doesn't matter.
But now the elite don't even need us to tell their fields to run their machinery with robotics.
As Bill Joy of Sun Microsystems wrote, he went to a meeting with 200 plus elitists and he was shocked to hear them talking about how we're all going to have to be killed.
And the police officers out there, most of them will aid the system incrementally as the rest of us are euthanized, sterilized, given cancer, die.
They will watch as their sons, daughters, mothers, brothers die.
They themselves will die thanking their lord, thanking their government, thanking their master.
That is the new order slave grid.
At the highest levels of the New World Order, Jordan, I've heard it described as the Great White Brotherhood, the Council of Thirteen.
We know there's less than a hundred really true initiates that have the full picture of their master plan.
But as best you can tell, A, who are a few of the top initiates to the most secret elite group?
The only way I can answer that is that, first of all, I'm not privy to be on the inside to know the top people are, but I've had enough experience when I got married.
You know, the person my wife was working for, I learned a lot, because I found out that so many of the people who are the real movers and shakers who are making things happen, you will never know their names because I found out that so many of the people who You will never hear their names ever.
And that all the people that you are hearing, like the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds and all those people, are not the real players.
The real players are so much more powerful and so much more hidden, you will never know who they really are.
They cannot afford to.
To have their name or their face ever put out in public.
Well, during the time of the Roman Empire, behind the Caesars, The raw child of the Rockefeller types behind the Caesar of Rome was called the Pissos family.
Behind world governments are setting, reading their... Here's an example on, you know, so above, so below.
Yep, exactly.
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I need to say this again, if anybody's really interested in the subject of occult and secret societies, there's a reference book on my home page that's filled with that.
I don't know, 560 pages is a very thick book on all of the secret societies, occult orders of Europe, around the world, religious orders, the different cults of theology, secret societies, criminal societies.
It's just generally an incredibly well-written book called Occultiocracy, The World of the Occult Secret Societies.
And the most impressive book I ever have read on theology and religion was called Symbols, Sex, and the Stars.
And it is a very well-written book just explaining theology.
Well, Jordan, I just want to say in closing, thank you so much for spending time with us again.
And coming up not this Sunday, but the Sunday after next, we've got you on the Sunday show.
And I'm glad you've been spending so much time with us.
And we'll go through some more of these terms and hopefully get people just to think about looking behind the curtain and realize there is a curtain.
We can argue about what's behind it all day, but the important thing is to get people thinking and to move forward, and I really appreciate you spending time with us, Jordan Maxwell.
Yeah, listeners a few months ago were like, is Jordan Maxwell on?
Well, he agreed to come on.
He said he wasn't doing interviews anymore and we twisted his arm into it.
Two in one week.
So there is Jordan Maxwell for you and back in about a week and a half.
Again, for everybody.
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Okay, we have State Representative Charles Key on with us.
For the next 55 minutes, he valiantly has exposed the fact that there's a cover-up of what really happened to the Oklahoma City bombing.
Since he first really pushed with grand jurors and others to expose that, it's come out that the Southern Poverty Law Center was involved in running the white supremacist compound.
At Elohim City.
They gotta get our guns one way or the other, don't they?
These America haters.
And it's also come out in sworn affidavits in major newspapers that McVeigh was a government operative.
We already knew that.
And the fact that the building was blown out, not in.
It's just amazing.
We cover that in my film, Road to Tyranny.
And I want to spend some time at the end of the interview dealing with the new developments there with Representative Key.
But about a week ago, we learned the good news.
And that dovetails with other states like Arizona, one of the Dakotas, New Hampshire saying that if a new world order continues or gun confiscation begins or any of this happens, we're going to pull out, we're going to secede.
Well, this story was from World Net Daily.
It was also in some of the Oklahoma papers.
Oklahoma defends, don't tread on me.
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This is what we need, a declaration that the Feds are out of control.
I mean, they're federalizing everything with our tax money.
They take our money and send a few cents of it back with controls.
Steamed over a perceived increase in federal usurping of states' rights, Oklahoma House of Representatives told Washington, D.C.
to back off.
Joint Resolution 1089 passed by an overwhelming 92 to 3 margin.
Reasserts Oklahoma's sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the U.S.
Constitution, and according to the resolution's own language, is serving notice to the federal government to cease and desist certain mandates.
The Tenth Amendment states, the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited to by the states, are reserved to the states, respectively, or to the people.
Charles Key, the Republican State Representative who authored the Resolution to the World and Daily.
They introduced it because he believes the federal government's overstepping its bounds has put our Constitution in the form of government in danger.
And so he's the guy that got it passed 92 to 3.
I'd like to know who those 3 are.
And, you know, stuff happened with members of the legislature and with the local mayor, where they would say, oh, I don't know anything about a North American union, and then they'd catch them as signatories to it five years ago.
So, a lot of that has got Oklahomans up in arms.
I wish we had people in our legislature like Charles Key here in Texas, where they're really raping the daylights out of us, the feds are.
But Charles Key, thank you so much for coming on with us.
You know, you've got the floor here for the next 50 minutes.
Tell me about the Oklahoma City bombing website, this website, your site, what you're doing, but after you do that, let's get into this resolution and why it's a ray of hope.
Well, you know this, and just for some of your listeners to know, I'm in my second tenure in the legislature.
I had a previous life in the 80s and 90s in the legislature.
And I was out for about eight years, and I didn't really plan on running again, but I did in 2006, and here I am.
And the reason he had me on the show today, H.G.R.
1089, which is the Tenth Amendment resolution, did pass the House this year.
But it's not brand new.
It's new to a lot of people, but it actually started back in the very early 90s.
There was a state senator from Colorado named Charles Duke.
And he started it, he gets credited with starting the Tenth Amendment Resolution, but he and myself back then and a number of other legislators and other state legislatures introduced it in their state legislatures and passed it back then.
I have their approval to talk about it on a public broadcast, so just out of deference to them, I think it would probably be better if I didn't mention their names, but I guarantee you there's some real interest in the Texas Legislature.
Gotcha, we want to sneak up on them, that makes sense.
Tell folks, I've got it here in front of me, but tell them where they can find the resolution to try to give it to their legislatures, and tell us what's in the resolution, why it's so important.
Well, first of all, they could email me at charles.key at okhouse.gov and request a copy.
I would be glad to send it to them.
Or they can go to the Oklahoma House of Representatives website that's real easy to find and it's a very user-friendly website and just look up HJR1089 and you can download your own copy of it.
Well, you know, you pretty much described it in the opening.
It just simply reiterates what the Tenth Amendment says and says federal government, get back into your proper role and stop getting into areas that you have no legal authority to be into.
And my gosh, the list, you know, we don't have enough time in an hour.
We'd have to spend all day long talking about what the federal government's done and venturing into areas they have no legal authority to be into.
Well, you've got the violations of privacy, the Fourth Amendment, because of bills like the Patriot Act and all the other ones that we've already forgot the names of them, in which they've tried and they have, I like to say, tried to restrict our rights.
Of course, they have.
But I happen to be one that I don't believe in saying, well, they got us again.
Yeah, just because they passed some bill doesn't mean all of a sudden they superseded it or something.
They got rid of it.
But, you know, you've got privacy, you've got surveillance, you've got ventures into the area of education.
You know, they're telling people what to do and how to educate their kids from Washington, D.C., tying funds to it to try to, you know... And all the problems started when the feds got involved.
Yeah, it just gets worse.
It doesn't get better.
You know, they had a bill this last year that gave a lot of money to hire more law enforcement officers.
They don't have any right to be doing that.
It's not their role, their right to be in that particular area.
There was an idea that came up back in those early and middle 90s when some of us back then were looking at what we could do to thwart the activity of the federal government in unconstitutional areas.
And this idea came up, if anybody's listening out there that might want to pass this on to a legislator or some of the legislators that are listening to this program or people running for office, you know, it is our money.
And they're taking it and directing it back to the states with kind of a carrot-stick approach.
You do this, we'll give you this money, then once you get hooked into the deal, then they'll take the money away unless you keep doing it and do more.
Yeah, what if the states said, okay, look, we're going to start requiring our people within the state to send certain federal taxes to us through the state treasury, and then we'll pass it on up to the federal government.
And this is a real good money-generating, revenue-generating idea, by the way.
The states would have some short-term interest they'd make on that money as it floated through.
And that might really help some states out.
But it would also allow the states to say to the federal government, when they start pushing more unfunded mandates and unconstitutional acts, to say, well, maybe we won't send that money back up to you, we'll just keep it.
Maybe the states need to start doing something like that.
Well, you know, the big issues out there, well, the big issues that have been talked about for several years, I think it's gotten prominent again this time around because of the Ron Paul campaign.
Is the money issue, the authority given to the Federal Reserve, private Federal Reserve Bank, to have control over just about every aspect of our lives having to do with finances and money.
That is proving, and finally proving, to be a really big problem.
What amazes me and really makes me mad is a lot of these talking head pundits and people in both parties that make buckoos of money and have been living off the system for a long time, they don't have a clue how tough it is for the average middle and lower income person out here trying to get by.
And they think everybody's still making a couple hundred thousand or more dollars a year and everything's real rosy.
But the country is hurting right now.
And it can get a lot worse than it might, but that needs to be fixed.
And the answer is not to print more dollars up and throw a few coins back towards the folks with some type of a tax rebate or something.
But that issue needs to be addressed.
We've also got the problem of just taxation itself.
The federal income tax is a bad tax.
It's not a legal tax.
The Supreme Court, once in our history at least, has ruled that it was not constitutional.
If a court had the courage or the will, the constitutional knowledge, or whatever is holding them back from ruling on this issue, maybe they just need an opportunity, they ought to rule again that the federal income tax is unconstitutional.
You know, it's just hard to believe that a state would have to pass a resolution saying the state of Oklahoma hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States.
And you serve notice and demand of the federal government as our agent to cease and desist effective immediately mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers.
Like federalizing local police I mean, folks, the government is out of control.
The federal government, it's like a neighbor who's in your house telling you what to do.
I mean, it is out of control.
We'll be right back with State Rep.
Charles Key, a great guy.
We'll cover some other subjects as well.
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In demand of the federal government, as our agent, the cease and desist effective immediately mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers, like federalizing local police.
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From day one when there was the questions coming out with the Oklahoma City bombing, which was an inside job from the beginning, He was there questioning, exposing, speaking out.
And now in hindsight, talking 12 years later or more, it's just all coming out.
It is all coming out in a big way.
So I want to shift gears into that for the rest of the interview with our guest today and any other subjects he wants to talk about.
But as a state rep, for all our listeners in Oklahoma, please support him.
I mean, I know he was happy to be out of politics.
There were some people that asked me to run when the guy that was in there just chose not to run, somewhat at the last minute.
That was just that simple.
There was another guy running that some of them didn't think he was a conservative, and they said, we want a conservative in there, and we've got to have a conservative, and we want you to run.
So I thought about it, prayed about it, and boom, did it.
And they did the same thing they did to me before.
They just blew me out of the water about the Oklahoma City bombing, but we prevailed and God gave us a victory, so that's just it.
Ten, eleven years ago, everything you said has turned out, your angle on it has turned out to be right.
In fact, break down the Jesse Trinidou case for those that may have forgotten, because that was probably six, eight months ago we were really talking about this.
I mean, break down all the new things that have been confirmed.
Well, it's been hard for me to keep on top of it like I did the bombing case when I was involved in that, but I can hit the highlights.
Jesse Trinidou is an attorney up in the Salt Lake City area.
He had a brother who died in Oklahoma City in August of 95.
The bombing happened in April.
And his brother died in a federal transfer center that happened to be in my district, by the way, right next to the airport.
And when the family realized that he didn't commit suicide like the Bureau of Prisons claimed, so they filed a lawsuit.
As time went by and they were able to force Documents out of the government, through the Freedom of Information Act, they found out that it was related to the Oklahoma City bombing somehow.
What happened was some federal investigators, FBI and who knows who else, thought that he was a suspect in the Oklahoma City bombing case and they beat him to death, literally.
And so the family filed suit, they eventually won that suit, and the Trinidad and the family have not let go.
And they're impassioned about this, not just because they wanted to bring justice to what really happened in regards to their brother and son's murder, but also because they found out how terribly screwed up this Oklahoma City bombing case was, and how the truth was really being covered up.
So Jesse Trinidou, and you know, we should also give kudos to a federal judge up in the Salt Lake area, I think his last name is Kimball, has not let the Justice Department and the FBI off the hook easy.
It made them have to live under the laws that the rest of us have to live under.
Yeah, you know, even the Judge Mache that presided over McVeigh and Nichols' trials, Make a couple of comments like that back early on so there's no question about that it was a major cover-up and it was there were other people involved and they had a level at minimum a level of prior knowledge that something was going to happen and you know there were government informants inside the circle or these circles of individuals that were You know, going to carry this out, or they were participating in it.
I want to run through the basics of what you know about the Oklahoma City bombing and who you think is really behind it and involved.
We've got a clearer picture today than we've ever had before, and we'll take calls on the resolution, throwing the feds out, re-declaring state liberty.
I want to run through the basics of what you know about the Oklahoma City bombing and who you think is really behind it and involved.
We've got a clearer picture today than we've ever had before, and we'll take calls on the resolution, throwing the feds out, re-declaring state liberty.
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We're going to go to your calls here in a few minutes for State Rep Charles Key.
When he's done in the Statehouse, we need to send him to Washington.
We need some good people.
In Washington, there's only Ron Paul and a few others up there, and Republicans and conservatives' names have been destroyed, thanks to Bush, tripling the size of government.
Now we're looking at Barack Obama or McCain.
Charles, before we get back into Oklahoma City and take calls, sometimes you've got to wonder, I mean, the elites are just running this country into the ground, and I'm just wondering if there's any hope the way things are going.
I think there's always hope, but I feel the same way.
I get discouraged and down, but as long as we, you know, we have a certain amount of freedom, and we still do in this country, but back to the Tenth Amendment, you were talking about the Oklahoma City bombing and how they could attack somebody or criticize them for just asking questions and wanting some truth.
Well, look at McCain, Feingold, and a lot of the other things they've done over the past few years to just try and control your ability to speak freely, like on this radio program, because there are those that don't want us to even talk about this.
And that's what they do.
One of the things they do is they will attack you publicly and call you all kinds of names, you know, and spin off the truth and tell a lot of untruths.
And since the Oklahoma City bombing, just look at the legislation that's been passed to restrict what you can say and where you can say it.
You know, there's what they call them, speech-free zones.
If you get in some of those zones when there's a presidential motorcade or the president's there or some other, A political activity that they don't want any protesters to be around.
The first thing they did after, and I'll just say it, after the Clintons bombed OKC, after the Feds did, the first thing they did was say, we need to bring back the Fairness Doctrine and reduce free speech on talk radio.
And I think, you know, I hear more and more people, what's been interesting in my experience coming back into the legislative, political realm this last couple of years, is when I went out and knocked doors in 06, running for this seat again, it was very, very surprising to me and encouraging, very encouraging, how many people going door to door, and these are Republicans, are the only doors I knocked, that are very aware of what's going on in this country.
Whereas things are getting darkest before the dawn, I'm saying they're bad, I'm finding the same thing that people finally are knowing, they're finally listening.
Go ahead and finish your story.
Tell me what happened when you knocked on those doors.
People are aware they're getting their information from someplace other than the nightly news and the newspaper, and they're starting to find out that they're getting lied to, and there's something really rotten in Denmark, so to speak.
And they're waking up.
A lot of this is pretty obvious stuff.
The immigration problems like we have, and you've got a government that refuses to do something about it.
Well, you know, there's so many people, and this is a part of the answer to what happened in the Oklahoma City case.
They came after me and other cases that other people have been involved in.
There's always a section of people, and I talked about this on your program years ago, there's always a percentage of the people, when they hear things like a cover-up about Oklahoma City or anything else, they do not want to hear it.
It puts so much fear into them, and their reaction is they want to kill the messenger.
And they'll go along, they'll be cheerleaders and accomplices with those who attack the messenger.
And that's how they accomplish what they accomplish, but even those people will wake up as time goes on.
Because they'll come out of their denial because after a while they'll see, and this is what I think I'm seeing today, more people starting to wake up and realize, hey, there really is something to X, you know, or what he said.
Well, I agree with you because what I run into is there's a certain amount of people who want to live in denial and say everything's fine no matter what's going on.
They say, we're being negative.
No, no, no.
We're trying to protect what's good by admitting what's bad.
You know, it's like if I have a fly in my soup, I don't say, oh, I'm not going to be negative and eat it.
Globalists just five years ago, six years ago, still were arrogant.
I look at their body language now.
I go to events.
They look freaked out, but I don't think it's even freaked out about us as much as it is a lot of economists I talk to think they've lost control, that they have just totally screwed everything up.
Yeah, that's another thing that wakes people up, unfortunately, because we've heard that all of our lives, because it's true that there's a lot of people that never will wake up until their back pocket, their pocketbook gets hit hard enough and the people are getting hit hard.
So a lot of them are going to wake up for that reason.
It's unfortunate.
But if it works for us, that's fine.
We need everything to our advantage that we can get.
I think one of the main reasons why people want to shoot the messenger so much is because they don't want to actually have to believe that their government is degraded into such a despicable situation.
And then also another reason is because they might actually have to do something with the knowledge that they found out.
I'm sorry, I was sitting here messing with my board.
Right.
Representative Key.
Going back to the BATF, what we do know is they showed up in their bomb gear seconds after the blast, and we're telling EMTs and people that showed up to dress wounds and say that they'd seen them up in the higher floors.
You know, you had an AP reporter that's been around for a long time, and he gave that testimony on videotape.
That he was immediately on the scene, and he said immediately these ATF officials showed up with the black gear, you know, all decked out in their black SWAT team type gear, like they were poised, ready for this to happen.
And that's where that information comes from.
Also, related to that is the Oklahoma City Fire Department getting some call the Friday before the Wednesday bombing about Uh, them being in a higher prepared state for something that may be developing over the next several days.
And this is in the months before, and of course you're not just saying the experts say multiple bombs, or how does a truck bomb not blow the pillars out right in front of the pillars the same size way back in the back of the building, and then why were chunks of it blown across the street, and why were there blast points on the rebar?
I mean, all of that.
You also have the governor coming on, who obviously wasn't involved because he was, you know, Or he wouldn't have been saying this.
Yeah, we found multiple bombs, very sophisticated bombs inside.
And then the BATF shows up and says, no, that's not what you saw.
I mean, they've got a bunch of them, but you have another terrorism and bomb expert that was on one of the local stations that came in studio just, you know, a few hours after the bombing and was reporting also that, yeah, we've just found out that they found other unexploded bombs that they've taken out of the building.
And this is really great because As they take these apart, it's going to help us find out who did it and be able to track them down, hold them accountable, blah, blah, blah.
So, you know, just all kinds of information like that.
I'll tell you, some of the stuff that Jesse Trinidad, the attorney we were talking about earlier, has been able to force out that further sheds light on this case is the information about Andreas, or otherwise known as Andy Strossmeier, the West German that came over to this country and certainly was here with the knowledge of our government, maybe even officially working for them on some level.
But he was certainly knowledgeable about this and was working with McVeigh and other people.
And some of the documents that they've been able to pull out over the last two or three or four years confirm that.
Oh, yeah, the Southern Poverty Law Center involved.
I mean, it's just despicable activities, but they've got to get our guns one way or the other.
uh Just amazing, and then the fact that McVeigh was a government operative coming out in affidavits, it's just incredible.
Greg in New Jersey, you're on the air, go ahead.
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It's kind of ironic, here in Oklahoma, they're stating their rights to be left alone from the federal government, and here in New Jersey, which is no doubt our Our representative government in the state is the criminal syndicate.
We actually have the U.S.
Attorney.
They're doing the work that New Jersey's attorneys should be doing.
We have a thousand attorneys working for the state government in New Jersey, yet they have to use a federal U.S.
attorney to prosecute the corrupt politicians that are here.
So far, they've nailed, like, the mayor of Newark.
Yeah, the problem, and another way of stating that, too, is the problem is it assumes that somehow the federal government is more moral or ethical or something.
And they're not.
Just like Alex is saying, you know, they're just people, and they're corrupt, too, and they're going to use their power for things other than, you know, what's best for all of us.
I just wanted to ask the Representative, How did, after Oklahoma City, how did the, in general, the majority of people in Oklahoma, did they go along with the status that was given to them, or was there a lot of trepidation in what happened?
Well, I think, and I've come to describe it this way, and I think I always probably will, the answer to that kind of question is that people were traumatized all over the country, but especially right here At ground, at the ground central or whatever I'm trying to say, right here where it happened, right here in Oklahoma City.
I mean, people were just traumatized by this.
They had, you know, it's hard to find somebody that didn't know someone or had a relative that was killed or badly hurt.
Charles in New Hampshire, final caller for Representative Charles Key, coming up after This quick break.
So we've got a final segment coming up straight ahead.
We've got a lot of other callers, but we'll see how many we can get in here.
Okay.
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Representative Key, it's just a wonderful surprise and pleasure to know that you're back on the Hill, 47 years of age, and been around, you know, paying attention to these things for quite some time, and I remember uh... you sticking out back in and the oklahoma bombing as being one of the the few if not the only one that was uh... courageous enough to uh... really look into this thing And I just can't say how happy I am that you're back, along with Representative Paul.
My inquiry here specifically, because logically and common sense-wise, I remember when they were able to find out about the Ryder truck with supposedly an unscathed VIN number that just happened to miraculously survive this.
Huge blast in the rider truck.
It reminds me of 19 box cutters at 9-11 that somehow got through the metal detectors and no one has been able to bring out a box cutter, at least the metal part where it cuts.
And what I understand, in some of the pictures that I've seen, I'm still waiting to see a hole in the ground.
And wasn't the Murray Building a nuclear fallout shelter?
It's just certain things, common sense, don't add up.
Well, you know, there's been a lot of time passed by, so I'm not sure I recall anything like that, but it did have some lower levels in it, and it had a lower Level parking garage that actually was, I think, two levels deep below the ground level.
I mean, there's a lot of odd things that happen in the Oklahoma City case, and that may be some real good, you know, evidence.
And not that that's not worthy of talking about it when I make my next comment, but the fact is, you know, there's a wealth of information that proves that there were other people involved that our Justice Department and FBI did not want to go after those people.
They intentionally did not.
And, you know, to close up with back to the Tenth Amendment and the Constitution, we must hold government accountable at every level.
If we don't, things get out of control.
And not only do they take more of your money, more of your privacy, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and the list goes on, but things like the Oklahoma City bombing can happen.