Arizona State Senator Karen Jones joins Alex Jones to champion state sovereignty against federal overreach, introducing bills to ban school biometrics and restrict campus concealed weapons. The dialogue pivots heavily to 9/11 conspiracy theories, asserting the attacks were an inside job involving controlled demolitions of the Twin Towers and Building 7 due to lack of structural impact. Citing Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, they link these events to the New World Order, Bilderberg Group, and alleged RFID tracking, while promoting documentaries like Loose Change and Endgame to challenge official narratives. Ultimately, the segment frames government complicity as a pervasive threat requiring citizen vigilance against globalist agendas. [Automatically generated summary]
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Okay, I was so busy during the break doing so much, I forgot to ask if we have our next great guest lined up, John.
Fantastic! We are live, ladies and gentlemen, now well into this fourth hour.
And we just had a real character in studio with us, a really nice fellow, Randy Kelton.
Karen, Jesse Ventura's gone further on this show and other shows the last two days, saying that he thinks 9-11 was partially an insurance fraud blowing up the buildings, and that he believes our government may have done it, not just that he thinks we're being lied to.
And, you know, you can love him, you can hate him, the point is it takes courage to do this, and it's really starting to break into the mainstream media.
What do you think about this?
unidentified
Well, I absolutely think that Jesse Ventura has courage.
That is for sure.
I often wonder what Mr. Larry Silverstein is doing these days.
I wanted to get you on for most of an hour to take phone calls for folks that wanted to talk about 9-11.
There's a perfect way to do it with all the things that are breaking at 1-800-259-9231.
But I wanted to, with you, talk about, I mean, you said day one you questioned the official story, but I also wanted to walk through, you know, some of the main points you think people should look at, Senator.
unidentified
First of all, if I can, Alex, I want to tell you about something that we are proposing to do out here in the Phoenix area.
I'm very, very excited about it.
We had what we call a 9-11 meet-up group last night, and there is a gentleman by the name of Blaine who is going to do what we're calling hunger for truth, and he is going to do a fast that he is beginning out in front of Senator John McCain's office.
Okay. Barack
Obama's office in Chicago, Hillary Clinton's office in New York, even Nancy Pelosi's office in San Francisco.
So these areas are also going to be targeted with 9-11 people for truth that are trying to get these legislators to open up their eyes.
Why they can't see that there were more than two buildings that fell and one wasn't even hit by a plane is beyond me.
Well, you know, if you trust your eyes, you just look at the pictures, you can see that building 7 is falling down, not because it was hit by a plane, but because of explosions, because of demolitions.
It seems to me, I don't know much about this, but when jets go right into a building, couldn't there be so much trauma to the area that things can fall?
No, because if you study how they built the buildings, those buildings were made to withstand a 707, which is that old plane with the four engines on the wing.
I actually have played clips of Nomuro Yamasaki, the designer, the architect, and the structural engineer.
I forget his exact title.
He was the head engineer over its actual construction, the construction engineer.
And he went public.
We have the clip we can play it again, I guess, where he says it was designed to take two strikes per tower of a plane as big or bigger.
I mean, it's just ridiculous.
Would you like to comment on that?
unidentified
Well, Alex, I definitely agree.
You know, when you look at Building 7, I think it was 47 stories.
The Twin Towers were approximately 110.
And from what we were able to observe over and over and over, those planes hit close to the top of those towers.
And, you know, I can see the top part of it perhaps toppling over.
There is no way.
Fires burn up.
They don't burn down.
And for that, at least, I mean, I'm no expert on this, but to have it go all the way down, a fire from jet fuel, which doesn't even burn hot enough to melt steel, to burn all the way down and, you know, Well, then we have the NASA and FBI photos from aircraft and space showing 2,600-plus degrees, close to 1,000 degrees hotter than jet fuel does at its hottest.
And the firefighters reported molten steel flowing like lava down in there.
And then you have BBC reporting that Building 7 fell 25 minutes before it fell, and giving the exact official story of how it then...
I mean, that's like with the JFK murder.
How New Zealand and Australia and Thailand and others reported before they even announced in the U.S. or caught him that it was Lee Harvey Oswald and he'd done it because they got their time zones off.
unidentified
You are right on, Alex.
I still, you know, I've got a picture of that gal reporter from the BBC and she reported I think about 5 p.m. that Building 7 had already collapsed and it didn't collapse until 520 and it's in, you can see it behind her still standing.
Well, I think we've done the best presentation of that in the new edition of Terror Storm.
That's why I hope people get the DVD at Infowars.com.
uh Karen, I mean, I don't want to focus on how you've been attacked, because, you know, for all the attacks, you've been loved a million times more.
I mean, even the polls show the majority of people know it's an inside job now, not just, you know, that they're being lied to.
But what's, I mean, the ridiculous attacks you've been under, and the things that some local papers have said, I mean, it's really sophomoric, and that's why they're losing all their subscribers.
That's why the mainstream corporate media is falling apart.
So, in a way, they're just destroying themselves.
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unidentified
And Alex, you're right about that, and to me, that is what is so encouraging today.
I cannot tell you the amount of email that I have gotten from people that are going, hey, we think you're right, we want to help, we want to look into this.
My wonderful, able assistant, you know, is beginning to put together You know, a whole directory of these folks so that we can keep in touch with them.
Now, I'm not saying that we don't get some pretty nasty ones.
I got one recently from some Republican, you know, that's trying to get me thrown out of the party and I'm thinking, you don't have to worry about that.
The Republicans that guy likes are for open borders, total gun control, amnesty, giant taxes, tripled BATF, our name destroyed, our dollar destroyed, John McCain, a total con Oh, my gosh.
unidentified
We do have a pretty good wing here in Arizona that, you know, we're staunchly behind Ron Paul, and we still are.
I mean, of course, the party would win and take over if you were constitutionalist, but they act like wonderful people like you are bad instead of the leadership.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. We're nothing.
We're non-entities.
And it's pretty sad.
But the people themselves are out there, Alex.
They listen to folks like you.
They get on the internet.
They search themselves because they're truth seekers.
When we come back, I want to hear from Karen Johnson about whatever is on her mind, where she thinks this country's going, if you're positive about the future or negative, and then we're going to take calls at 1-800-259-9231.
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Not just that it looks like an inside job.
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That it's insurance fraud is part of it.
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Talking to State Senator Karen Johnson, what do you think is most important today in our world?
What do you see happening in our future?
Are you optimistic or what?
unidentified
Oh, Alex, I wish I could be more optimistic.
The more that I learn and the more that I read, I have to admit that it's pretty frustrating, but I just Thank God that we have people like yourself out there and many other great organizations that are trying to alert the people to the peril that we are in because we are losing our country.
Well, perhaps it's pretty far gone, but there are things that we can do and the more people that we wake up and that we help become alert to what's happening around them, you know, the better chance we'll have of saving our country.
Well, what else does the federal government not cheat in?
I mean, these voting machine companies have all been caught red-handed.
unidentified
Yeah, it's pretty sad.
Last year, oh my gosh, I ran a bill here in the Arizona State Legislature.
It actually died at least nine times.
I don't know how we ever got it through, and it was an absolute miracle that our Democrat governor signed it.
And it was such a really small thing.
We simply require a 2% hand count, you know, at the end of the day on random sample precincts so that nobody knows ahead of time which ones are going to be counted.
You know, and then we get into the computer disk that's in the Dybul's and the Sequoia's.
And anyway, it was such a little thing, but wow, did we have a lot of opposition to that.
They always take over societies of their left of their own devices.
They're always destructive and abusive.
There are powerful, intelligent interests that want to use the mechanism of government to enslave and control.
It's not an if, it's a guarantee that that's going to happen, and it's now happened again.
unidentified
Senator? Yes, no, I couldn't agree more.
One of the things that was so disturbing here in Arizona is that our governor, Democrat Janet Napolitano, signed on this last fall with, of all people, Republican Homeland Security Director Chertoff to put Arizona into this pilot program for the national ID.
Not only will that cost the state some money if, in fact, it were implemented, and we're over a $2 billion deficit.
But we did run a bill this year to opt us out of the Real ID, to say that Arizona's not going to have anything to do with it.
And I was so proud of the governor from Montana, you know, who just told Mr. Chertoff where to go, where the sun doesn't shine.
And hopefully, he will contact our governor and say, sign this bill, because it has passed both the House and the Senate.
And we're waiting to see whether or not she's going to sign it.
Well, the incredible thing is, They give all the illegals passes, they accept bank cards that the banks give them with no ID, and then they tell the public, oh, it's to stop the illegals when the government gives them a free pass.
Under the NAU, the fence is basically going to be used to keep us in, and then the illegals will just be legal to go and come as they will.
So it's, you know, they're selling it to some conservatives as something to, quote, stop illegal immigration.
They could do that overnight by prosecuting employers.
unidentified
They absolutely have really deluded some of the conservatives with that particular issue, and it's been a real hard sell sometimes to turn them around.
I've been appreciative of all entities.
The ACLU has been extremely helpful in pushing this particular issue, as well as helping me with one other issue, and that was that we're not going to fingerprint our kids in school.
And your phone call, State Senator Karen Johnson, an amazing lady, speaking up for 9-11 Truth.
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When did you find out about that?
How did you block that in Arizona?
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Before I address that, I just, I want to thank you for all of that great information.
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Well, I mean, my point is, is that that's what they do.
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Yeah, yeah.
And people are going to be in such dire straits because they haven't planned, and they haven't prepared, and they're so ignorant that it's going to be pretty, pretty devastating.
So, I don't even know about that, so they don't tell us about victories.
You guys ban at the state level the thumb scanners to get their lunches?
unidentified
Yes. The bill, the actual bill that I ran says that it prohibits public schools From collecting biometric information from pupils unless the schools receive written parental permission.
Yeah, you send your children to a place where it's been advertised in the national media that psychos are supposed to go, who are always on Prozac-type drugs, Prozac class.
It's advertised.
What do I do when I'm depressed and psycho and get out of some government mind-control facility?
I go up and shoot schools up, and then we send our children to a place where no one's allowed to protect them.
unidentified
Exactly. You know, I've got this poster in my office that a lot of people got a kick out of, because it has a picture of a gun, you know, a handgun, with the line through it.
And it says, attention criminals, gun-free zone.
All law-abiding faculty, staff, and students of this institution have been disarmed for your convenience.
We should all put out posters like that and hang them everywhere.
Now look, I said people can disagree.
This guy calls about once a week.
And I'm not going to spend a long time with him.
He always says the same stuff.
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But we'll go to Justin first, then we'll go to everybody else.
Justin in Texas, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi, yes, I was just calling to disagree, of course.
And I just wanted to tell Senator Karen Johnson that maybe the reason that she's not convinced with the original story of 9-11 is because she's influenced by intellectually bankrupt movies like Loose Change.
Yeah, she introduced a bill in, what, 99 when Clinton was getting ready for martial law for the state to secede if they confiscated guns or declared a new world order.
Why don't you tell them about that?
unidentified
I'm talking about the English Language Learning Act.
Federal Judge Collins, I called him up and asked him why he issued an illegal order, and he said because the state of Arizona in the year 2000 submitted to federal jurisdiction and surrendered the state sovereignty, and it was Governor Janet Napolitano Let me just say this.
They're federalizing firemen, giving them guns, having them spy on you, ruining our wonderful firemen.
I mean, it's just a disease of federal scum.
unidentified
Senator? Well, I can tell you that it's been extremely frustrating and disturbing to me that our legislators here in Arizona, many of them, including our leadership, have acquiesced to And
And that's because they want to move up the crime syndicate ladder to the international and federal level.
I think you're right.
And, well, please elaborate then if you'd like to elaborate on that, if you agree, Senator.
But the bigger problem here...
Is it the Feds take a dollar of our money on average and give us 33 cents back on average?
These idiots think that it's free money, Senator.
unidentified
We've been trying to get our state to hold on to all of our transportation taxes here because we're one of those donor states and we've said, hey, look, let's hold all of our transportation taxes.
Let's spend the money on what we need to spend on if there's anything left.
Then maybe we'll send it on to the federal government.
If not, we need to do what we need to do here with it.
Yes, why give them money to hire more shaved head guys with devil tats all over them to be BATF officers while they drive around in bright yellow Corvettes and live in million-dollar houses dealing narcotics?
Okay, thank you so much, Mari.
Arthur and Mash, you're on the air with Senator Karen Johnson.
And I have all your videos, and I wanted to let you and the Senator know, she mentioned meetups.
I've been a member of a meetup that meets in Cambridge on Sundays, and it's kind of a strange name.
They call it the Conspiracy Cafe, but it basically deals with 9-11 truth, the truth about everything, you know, not just 9-11.
And You know, I'm very, very tired.
I woke up during the 60s when I was in Vietnam.
That's when I became aware of what the world's really about.
I looked behind the curtain.
And what's frustrating is 99 out of 100 people I talk to, you try to reason with them about 9-11, the New World Order, the Bilderbergers, the Rothschilds.
People look at me like I belong in a mental institution, and they'll say that's all urban folklore.
Well, look, they're living in denial, and they're going to...
I mean, look, I appreciate your call.
I've got people telling me the dollar hasn't been devalued, and I'm a liar, and then they go on the message boards and say I'm Al-Qaeda, trying to lie to them.
The government's all, I'm not kidding, they say that I'm working for Al-Qaeda.
The White House has said the 9-11 truth works for Ahmadinejad, Senator.
unidentified
Oh, Alex, you know what I do in answer to this gentleman?
When I start talking to people, if they I think I'm out, whacked out, and kooky.
I mean, the type of people that don't know we're in big trouble.
I mean, if anybody can't smell the stench of corruption, there's some...
Senator, go ahead and make your point.
I'm sorry.
unidentified
No, no, no.
You made the point.
And going back to the issue of states' rights here, we've got another issue.
Oh my gosh, Alex, this is one that has just been huge here in Arizona.
We have the federal government coming in to our federal parks here, if you would, and forests, like the Tonto National Forest, the Fitgraves National Forest that we have up north, and we have the Saguaro National Monument, other areas.
And they're closing down the roads.
They are preventing the public from coming in and using these areas.
I mean, they don't want a human footprint back in a lot of these areas.
And these lands belong to us.
They belong to the people here in the state of Arizona and the people of the United States.
And we have run a bill to say, stop.
You are not going to do that anymore in Arizona.
We're opening these roads up and they're going to stay so people can get back in there for camping, for hiking.
They can take their ATVs.
They can do what they want back in there, you know, without destroying the environment.
But we've got to do this.
And for the federal government to come in and just arbitrarily start closing down these roads and locking us out.
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Senator Johnson, what's your take on, you know, using the celebrity-obsessed culture, plus he's a former governor, now that he's really gone public on this show yesterday, on Stern today, to really get this out?
Do you think that's important?
unidentified
Oh, my gosh.
Absolutely, Alex.
You know, you kind of ask why, you know, why these things happened, and I guess that's one of the big questions and why we want to see an investigation, because, you know, we need to know who benefited.
That's what I'm looking at.
If you follow the money, we've spent over $3 trillion now on a war in Iraq that had nothing to do with 9-11.
Oh my gosh, a handful of corporations like Blackwater and Halliburton and Brown and Root and on and on.
And then you've got, we've got the Patriot Act, we've got Homeland Security, we've got now the Real ID, we lost our habeas corpus, you know, we've got illegal wiretapping.
These are all things that I don't think could have been pushed on the American people without 9-11.
I agree, and now the crooks know that we're on to them, so they already have their police state set up in case we try to remove them.
They've got their electronic voting machines going in.
A perfect storm of evil, but the people are waking up like never before, and the globalists themselves say they're scared.
So now is the time for courage to speak up, not to cower.
Some people are on the air saying, be quiet, don't tell anyone you're against the new world order, they'll get you.
No, if we cower, then they win.
Senator, comments on that?
unidentified
Well, you're absolutely right and I, oh, Alex, I appreciate you so much and what you are doing and have been doing for a long time now and for others that are willing to stand up and to speak out.
Well, you were awake a long time before I was, but you said that one of the reasons you passed that law against the whole New World Order deal in your state, or tried to, about getting the UN out, was because you saw some of my films, and you know, then you help wake up other people, I wake up people, you woke up folks that probably woke me up.
I mean, it's all symbiotic, and we're together on this, so I don't want any of the listeners to think that their talking to their neighbors and friends doesn't have an effect.
unidentified
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely. We are setting up little groups and it's just like here in Arizona, you know, we have these meet-up groups.
And, you know, and if people want to help with this 9-11 issue, they can donate money to this cause if they can't get out and participate more, you know, on a personal level.
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