Alex Jones hosts a February 1, 2008, broadcast dissecting the JFK assassination, alleging funeral director Paul Groody coerced Oswald's body swap and forged palm prints on the Mannlicher Carcano rifle. Joined by musician Paris and Ron Paul campaigner Kent Snyder, Jones promotes his "Endgame" documentary claiming a Bilderberg Group agenda to exterminate 80% of humanity while discussing election fraud against Ron Paul and the Federal Reserve's creation of money since 1913. Ultimately, the episode frames these events as orchestrated by elites to erode sovereignty, urging listeners to resist globalism through independent media and constitutional realignment. [Automatically generated summary]
We're going to be live here for the next three hours.
In the third hour, in studio, Paul Grudy, he was the funeral director who took the body of Lee Harvey Oswald.
And then the federal government came in, Secret Service, FBI, and made him put the palm print of Lee Harvey Oswald on the Mannlicher Carcano rifle that supposedly shot three shots in right at six seconds.
Just another absolute nail in the coffin.
He lives here in Austin, Texas, and I'm making a film about the JFK assassination.
The final word is really what it's going to be.
And, uh, Jim Mars was saying, you know, he used to live in Dallas, but he lives in Austin now, out by Lake Travis.
You ought to interview him.
So I've gotten his phone number, but haven't called him yet.
And I was at TalkFest last, uh, Saturday here in Austin for KLBJ 590.
And guess who came to TalkFest?
Guess who likes George Norrie and likes my show?
Yes, it was Mr. Grootie.
So he and his son were there, really nice people.
So he'll be coming on the show in the third hour today.
We're also scheduled coming up in the next hour to have the very successful, well-known hip-hop slash rap artist, Paris.
Coming on the show.
It's very frustrating to me that he's been trying to contact me for several years and I get so many thousands of emails to the main email account that we missed it repeatedly.
So I put the call out, I guess Tuesday, I said, you know, I'm sick of not being able to talk to Paris.
And he said he liked Road to Tyranny on his website back in 2002 and that 9-11 was an inside job.
And I got an email from him then, but I can't ever get a hold of him and boom, He somehow got Aaron's number and called yesterday, so he's scheduled to be joining us coming up later in the broadcast as well.
And you know how much I love his artistry, his work.
Okay, really big news in the meantime.
Let me just give you the headlines I have here in front of me.
Coulter, I will vote for Hillary over McCain, Fox News.
We'll break that down.
Mexican farmers protest NAFTA.
They hate it too.
It's bad for the people, good for the elites.
Also, illegal immigrants.
It's in the law, unless they amend it now.
The stimulus package.
They're going to be getting tax rebates in Mexico.
Also, Bloomberg Financial reported this yesterday.
It was in the stack.
I didn't get to it.
It's huge news.
Bigs, tips for rich.
Expect war.
And he came out and he said you need to buy guns, canned food, water, fertilizer, wine, medicine, clothes, etc.
and get a farm in the country.
Total collapse.
How many experts are saying this?
I mean, this is a top expert from one of the biggest outfits out there, Morgan Stanley.
He's one of their top people.
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm very, very concerned, and you better be very, very concerned.
We don't get up here and talk about total collapse for nothing.
Have you noticed that what we talk about comes true?
Now, I'm not saying this is going to happen, but there is a very good chance it's going to happen.
Kind of like playing in interstate traffic.
Running back and forth between 18 wheelers, there's a good chance you're going to get run over.
Don't do it.
Well, we don't have a choice here.
We're going into these waters.
It's been orchestrated.
We're going to cover that as well.
Also, Bill Clinton saying, we just have to slow down our economy to fight global warming.
Curt Nemo, great article out on that.
Bill Clinton, pauperize the populace to cure global warming.
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Madison Avenue is there to make you feel inadequate.
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That's how their whole science started in the last 150 years, to then sell you the newest style each year as you throw out your whole wardrobe, to sell you all the skincare products, to sell you all the crud, or quote, You're not worth anything.
Well, I'm here to tell you, you are worth something.
And what does matter is family, and sovereignty, and freedom, and friends, and liberty.
That's what matters.
Not these phony plastic people that rule and dominate our society.
They are a sickness.
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So for anybody out there who feels inadequate or feels ugly, Or for anybody who's a few pounds overweight and the system tells you you're worthless, you do have value.
What matters is your soul.
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What matters is what you build and the people you love and the people you take care of and the people that take care of you.
That's what matters in life.
Okay.
I'll probably in the next few days do a more eloquent rant on that subject because it's really been touching my heart.
Let me get into the news right now, encapsulate as much as I can before our first guest joins us.
Let me just get into the Coulter situation first.
Ann Coulter is a singularly disgusting person.
I've met her in person, seen her at the RNC convention in 2004, and I literally was stunned.
I felt a presence of evil.
I'm not kidding when I say this.
And I turned, as I was there at the entrance, I'd already gone through three checkpoints, to Madison Square Garden, entering into the media entrance, And I thought that I was seeing like a concentration camp victim slash ringwraith.
She could barely walk.
She was toddling on her legs with her arms out like a ghoul.
Folks, I'm not kidding.
And as she was walking towards me, she had rouge on her cheeks.
It was like a corpse and it had makeup put on it.
And she had a gaggle of men in suits around her and she was literally Have you ever seen a concentration camp victim or somebody starving to death in Africa or Asia?
You know, their joints start going out and they're having trouble walking.
She looked, she was as anorexic as it gets.
And then she just had these evil eyes stumbling forward, painted up like a corpse, like you'd paint up a corpse.
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And then she just gave me a leering smile and stumbled past me.
I haven't had many of those experiences with these people.
I've been around Bill Clinton.
I didn't get the feeling of radiated evil.
I've been around Bush and didn't feel that feeling of evil.
I did his wife.
I've met her.
I've been close, you know, face up to her.
Back in 97, no, 96, I got into the, well, the radio station said, hey, we were given these passes to cover this film festival, the Governor's Film Festival.
Do you want to go?
And I said, sure.
So I took a camera guy down there, Dennis Hopper, and all these people were there.
And there was Bush, and there was his wife.
And I got the same look from her.
And she came over and talked to me.
But I wasn't as well-known then.
They knew who I was.
She asked me about the show.
But she was, I guess, gauging to see if I was going to do anything.
But, I mean, just radiating pure evil.
You know what, I've already burned four minutes.
I better hurry up and just get to the news.
I digress.
But instead of just attacking Ann Coulter for how she looks, look at what she writes, the things she says.
Let's put people in camps.
Torture is good.
Let's get rid of the Bill of Rights.
I've debated her here, where she said the Patriot Act didn't say that they could go after citizens, and I'd read her the subsection, and she would just laugh at me.
But Ann Coulter is an operative.
There's no doubting that.
And I've read several of her books.
They're very sophomorically written.
She is there to bind conservatives to her.
She's there to sell them on the lie of neoconservatism and endless war and tyranny.
But the reason this report is important is that We told you that Roger Ailes, going back now eight years, I keep saying four or five, years and years have passed, and I just keep using the same number.
Since the election, since 2001, so that's like seven and a half years, it came out, I got sources in New York, then I saw a few blurbs confirming it, then I reported it, that Roger Ailes consults with Hillary, that they fundraise for, that they covertly supported her first campaign for Senate in 2000,
Then, by about 2003, we were getting reports that every week he was having two, three, four-hour dinners with her at his penthouse, or at her penthouse.
That's Rupert Murdoch.
Then it came out the last two years, the White House has been helping write her speeches, has been advising her.
Fox News started saying things like, well, Hillary's pretty good on the war.
Well, she's not too bad.
Well, let's get past politics.
And then, of course, Scarborough on MSNBC is saying, hey, conservatives, stop attacking me.
I like Hillary.
She's tough.
She's smart.
I've heard Limbaugh saying little nice things about her.
As bad as she is, she's better than Ron Paul.
So I've seen the talking point accelerating.
And now it's come out in the Dallas Observer and other New York papers that the White House wants her, is behind her.
Well, we already know that.
The Clintons and the Bushes go way back to when Bush Sr.
recruited Clinton into CIA.
One of the guys that E. Howard Hunt was handling at the time in 1968 was his handler.
Those documents have come out.
I'll have Jim Mars on about that.
He's the expert.
He actually has the documents.
He was showing them to me in Dallas, but I was so busy getting JFK stuff, I forgot to videotape them.
I'd always heard that, read that, seen that in books.
Known that from Clinton, Bush, and the CIA by Terry Reid, CIA officer.
By the way, works at WorldNet Daily.
You never see stories about it.
About how Clinton and Oliver North and all these people and Bush would come into Arkansas, how they were all in business together in narcotics and the CIA.
I mean, these guys, this is a government operation.
You understand that?
And there's just thousands of other pieces of evidence.
But I have said in the last two years, over and over again, I have said, you will see Fox News endorse Hillary Clinton.
You will hear Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity endorse Hillary Clinton.
And you will have so-called conservatives, the guys that festoon their cars with Russia's rights stickers, because they're so invested in neoconism that they think it's conservatism, that they will rebuke us as liberals for being against Hillary.
Now, I have said that hundreds of times, like a parrot.
Ladies and gentlemen, ABC News.
Reporting on Fox News, Coulter.
I will vote for Hillary over McCain.
In case you missed it on Hannity & Combs last night, controversial pundit Ann Coulter.
By the way, she's a Fox News contributor.
Who supports Mitt Romney for President, says she would back Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Democrat in New York, over Senator John McCain, Republican in Arizona.
She's more conservative than he is, she said.
She will be stronger on the war on terrorism.
I will campaign for her if it's McCain.
Now McCain's saying, 100 year war, attack everybody, get ready for more wars.
McCain's wife wears Hillary Clinton pins in this election and the last two elections, the last two that the Clintons were involved in.
But maybe this will wake them up, now that we have Ann Coulter coming out and saying, I support Hillary Clinton.
She's conservative.
She's good.
You see how that works?
And why are they being so open now about this?
They're circling the wagons against the people.
It's the elite against the people.
It's not Republican or Democrat.
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Coulter, I will vote for Hillary over McCain.
We'll get more into this later and actually read our disgusting quotes about how good Hillary is.
Let's see, because it's from Coulter.
Oh, I guess Hillary's good now, because Coulter's such a good conservative.
Her books are so sophomoric about torture and secret arrest, and Malkin writes books, The Case for Internment Camps, and Woolsey's behind McCain.
We've been down to a Woolsey event here at UT called The New World Order was the lecture where he spoke for an hour about putting people in camps in America.
Yeah, they're just openly selling us on absolute total martial law.
They're not doing it because they're not planning to try it.
I think we're going to let Bush fade out, fade into a deep recession, and then Hillary will come in with an inaugural terror attack, and we'll all go, and some people question, could a woman do it?
But then the terrorist hit us, and hit us hard.
And after that, the country learned to love her.
She became like a mother to the nation.
She held strongly with enemies, and didn't allow dissent, because the country had been so badly damaged.
And in just two short years, brought us out of depression, into an incredible boom time.
By dollarizing North America, she brought the dollar back up, made alliances with Europe, and invaded the Middle East.
Hillary Clinton, who would have ever thought, once hated by conservatives, is now loved by her.
Photos of her hang in most conservatives' houses.
We love you, Hillary.
Sure, she's arrested hundreds of thousands of Americans, and put them in labor camps, but they should have to work.
You know, we shouldn't have to pay for them in those camps, as Michael Savage has laid the groundwork for.
Michael Wiener, the top beatnik in the 60s, who wrote about love affairs with friends, love novels.
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You're gonna live in squalor.
You're gonna have the enemy carry out the same bio-weapons attacks they've carried out on Africa on you.
You smirked and laughed, now you get to have a taste of it.
That's the one bit of solace I have, that you will reap what you sow.
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Paris, it is a real honor after all these years marveling at your wonderful artistry to have you on the broadcast with us.
And I don't think of any song out there that's three and a half minutes long that tells as much of the story Uh, as that particular song, but I love all of your music.
Okay, the website is called GorillaFunk.com, and the company itself is called Gorilla Funk, and it was formed as a response to the self-imposed censorship that the entertainment industry had in place.
I graduated, like I said, from college in 1990 completely oblivious to what was really going on.
I mean, you know, I had been prepared for a job to work for somebody else.
I had no real conscious awareness, and it was only really as a result of hearing it in other people's music and having that be the catalyst to maybe want to learn more, you know?
I come up in an era when I first started in hip-hop, there was much more diversity in the message.
And honestly, negativity was an exception to the rule when I came out, and now it's exactly the opposite.
And, you know, just after doing a lot of independent research and reading on my own, that was really it, you know.
And then, of course, traveling around the world on these tours, seeing the impact that we have had on other societies.
And seeing how other people live and what other people believe, you know, I honestly believe that a lot of ignorance can be erased by people just being exposed to more, by people going out, by people seeing and interacting with other people, you know.
Here's your tax dollars at work, you know.
See this devastation.
And, you know, I can now completely subscribe to the notion that nothing significant happens on the world stage that isn't completely predetermined.
Not elections, not wars, nothing.
You know, the concept of manufactured enemy creation is one, I mean, I know that you've echoed this sentiment too, is one that's tried and true at this point, and it's been proven to be successful over time.
Yeah, well even earlier than that sometimes because I have overseas distributors that I have to deal with.
So if I have to talk to Japan or France or something, I'm up pretty much all the time.
So I was getting ready to start trading, and that's how the planes hit.
And, you know, I got the phone calls, and I was trying to reach people that I knew that actually worked, you know, at the broker that I used to be affiliated with and couldn't reach anybody and come to find out that they had moved to ING Barron.
Well, the first plane hit, I thought it was an accident.
You know, I think a lot of people thought it was an accident.
It was a tragedy.
And then the second plane hit, and then all of a sudden the game changed.
And it took me a minute to process it because I don't really, I'm not really a rush to judgment kind of guy.
But, you know, knowing what I know of our treacherous history, it wasn't a stretch for me to be able to put that together.
And then I began to see all the postings online and I began to, you know, digest the information that I learned about and Halliburton and Chaney's Ties, Ben Lydon and the Carlisle Group, and all of that, all of it just began to gel, you know, and it wasn't a secret anymore to me.
You know, and you have this current race right now with this election and this whole thing is amazing to me.
How short people's memories are.
It's amazing.
You know, you look at what we've gained, you know, from this past administration and what we've lost.
You know, the erosion of our global clout and this climate of fear, this ruling by fear.
Everything that's happened.
Compromised media reporting.
Immigration scapegoating, racial intolerance, religious intolerance, you know, housing meltdown, recession, higher gas prices, greater reduction in funding for social programs.
I mean, nothing is good right now.
You know, and then you have these diversionary kind of arguments about, you know, abortion rights, gay marriage, stuff like that, which really does not affect most people.
You know, but then you look at the war profiteering, and you look at, you know, imminent domain seizures, domestic spying, and all this, you know, all these things are in effect, and the effect of them have been ramped up as a result of post We're talking to Paris, more than 4 million records sold, and that's his label.
Again, sir, I don't want to sit here and grovel to you.
I'm not.
I just want to tell you that I feel, and there's very few people I feel this with, a kindred spirit.
Because people get mad at me sometimes because I get so angry and I grind my teeth.
But you talk about Spitting cyanide each and every verse.
These people are killers, we're talking about.
They're murdering us.
The least we can do is just get enraged at them.
People say, oh no, be easy about it.
No, we need to get mad first, like Howard Beals says in Network, and then that's when things start changing.
We need to realize this is everything.
This is our life.
We're under attack, and as much attack as I've been under, as much attack as I've seen White people being under, it's nothing, and I'm not saying this because you're black, it's what I talk about on the show, as you know, it's the truth.
Black people are under the greatest attack of any group.
They've had everything tested on them, like Tony Brown says first, and I understand what's done to, somebody else is going to end up happening to me at an instinctive level.
I am outraged by what I've seen done to Black people, Africans, whatever you want to, you know, human beings, I mean, can you speak to being a black American, what it's like growing up in this system and your anger there?
Yeah, except for the, with the exception probably of Kosovo.
And, and you see every time there's violence visited on people, it's the country of color.
You see it here, you see it domestically, you see with Katrina, you see it with, you know, economics and education.
And, you know, I don't, there's a huge amount of blame that can be placed on society the way it currently exists and on policies and the way they affect people.
But I'm also of the mind of kind of a self-healing within my own community and to make people realize that we really can't rely on anybody else.
You know, you've got to step up to the plate and you've got to do it for yourself also.
So, you know, it's a two-pronged approach as far as I'm concerned.
Well, I agree with that, but when I read Margaret Sanger, the eugenicist, You know, saying we can't let the black weeds know that we want to exterminate them and how they went and hired black leaders to be their fronts.
Again, they always take a disadvantaged community and test on them.
I want to come back and talk more about your label, more about your political awakening, and your ideas of getting real leaders to the fore and getting individuals to be individual leaders in their areas.
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Paris is our guest.
We're going to play some clips of some of his other great songs as well after this quick break.
He'll be with us into the next hour.
And we've got the Ron Paul campaign head, Kent Snyder, joining us.
And then Paul Grudy as well.
He was there running the funeral home with JFK.
We'll be right back.
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Capitalizing on Misery00:09:18
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From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
Paris is going to be with us for about 20 after next hour.
We're going to play Sheep to the Slaughter that Names Names and AWOL.
So much stuff is happening during the breaks here, ladies and gentlemen.
So much is moving.
It's that flashpoint.
Times in history when more happens in a month than happens in 10 years.
And Paris, I mean, I've got to give credit where credit is due.
You came out with, what would you do, 2001, 2002, I forget the date, and it was so hardcore, really before any other artist in any genre had the nerve to come out and do it.
I mean, did you have to take a deep breath before you did that?
Or, I get the idea, you're the type of guy that once you made the decision, you weren't even worried about it.
Yeah, the decision was pretty much made and stuck with.
I mean, I got a lot of heat behind that song, and I got a lot even more heat with the album cover, which is an airliner heading for the White House.
And there was a lot of backlash at retail, and I ended up having to get distribution for Gorilla Funk from overseas and make all these products available as imports here.
That's how bad it was.
And then, of course, once we started posting a profit and people started taking a listen, then here comes Universal and here comes EMI, which has always been the case.
Sounds like people really only stand by their convictions.
I mean, I can go make records for you know, serapy pop records or something, if that's the case.
I mean, I have a passion about this, and I have information that I enjoy sharing with people, and I know that there are a lot of people who are receptive to what's being said.
And, you know, I keep doing it.
I got another album coming out later this year, for the first time since Sonic GI.
What kills me the most is, and I know this has probably happened to you, is people say that you're capitalizing off of people's misery by doing what you do.
And really we're commentating on what's happening and there are no bigger beneficiaries of misery than the government.
Yeah, I mean, you know, and the funny thing is I'm pretty left-leaning, you know, but I can find common ground with just about anybody as long as logic is employed, you know, and it just seems like that's something that I don't encounter that much.
I think people are so emotional and so reactionary nowadays that they can't, you know, we live in an era where People believe what they want to believe.
You know, the truth can be as plain as the nose on your face.
Even on TV, you know, in those rare moments where TV is actually truthful.
And they still gravitate toward what they want to believe.
Well, that's what Karl Rove at that cocktail party told the Washington Post and the New York Times reporters.
He said, hey, we're history's actors.
You're just spectators.
We run the whole show.
We decide everything.
But I'm here to tell Karl Rove and Bill Clinton and the rest of them, we're taking the system back.
And I see that happening at an explosive level.
His name's Paris.
He's sold more than four million albums.
We're going to be right back after this 72nd break with this icon.
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What's wrong, Mommy?
People are upset about some things, darling.
Why are they yelling?
They want attention.
They're trying to get attention so that people will listen to them.
It's our way of trying to get some media attention because they are ignoring us, they're ignoring the anti-war movement, they're ignoring the anti-government movement.
We love our country, but we cannot trust our government anymore.
Our government is totally out of control.
George Bush is full of shit.
And who do you believe?
Do you believe George Bush or do you believe me?
That's what it's coming down to.
Do you believe your neighbors?
Do you believe the people that live in your hometown?
Or do you believe these mad dog killers in Washington D.C.?
Are we setting up a situation where young people who are just starting to come of age are going to have no choice but to either join the military where there seems to be a lot of money or to go to jail where there seems to be a lot of money?
Is that what this is lining up to be?
When we stand here today, it is not enough to simply be for peace.
We have to be for social justice.
The fact is that right now, even as we are talking, people are being murdered by UN imperialism throughout the Middle East and throughout the world.
Our sons and our daughters are out there being used as cannon fodder.
It's an outrage, and we should stand up and seize the hour and fight back.
If there is going to be any peace on earth, it is going to come as a consequence of our people uniting to defeat U.S. imperialism one and for all.
Easily I approach, the mic will phone.
The microphone in this land of jokes.
In this land of jokes, can't leave it alone.
Can't leave it alone.
Cause you know, I can see right through corrupt plans in these bullshit scams and uncrues.
Cause you know, I can see right through.
Corrupt plans in these bullshit scams and uncoupes.
We living in a maze, different days and times.
We living in a maze, different days and times.
The world is a stage, most truth is a lie.
The world is a stage, most truth is a lie.
In this propaganda matrix, the sheep just died.
In this propaganda matrix, the sheep just died.
For these murderous conservatives with corporate ties.
So these murderous conservatives were corporatized and not knowledge of the truth.
And I acknowledge the truth, ignoring the poor.
They're just human ammunition for these capital wars.
Just human ammunition and collateral peace.
That's why millions of us are rising up in the streets.
And when you see me understand I'm representing a voice.
The majority would feel us ever giving a choice.
I don't need the seedy media, they only annoy.
Cause the only ones that want a scrap ain't ever deployed.
Who do the fighting for these rich white folks and they war.
No it ain't Drew, Kerry, Dennis Miller or Starr.
Fox News, Mike Savage, Bruce Willis or Rush.
Won't be MSNBC, CNN or a Bush.
Never Toby G, Hannity, O'Reilly or Clint.
Ain't Clear Channel, no they ain't supporting dissent.
Never Blair, Kid Rocker, Tom Cruise or Bowser, James Woods, Rob Lowe, Tom Selleck or Powell.
Not Arnold Schwarzenegger.
He ain't gon' shoot a Ted Nugent, cause in war, targets got weapons too.
Ain't Cheney, Rumsfeld, Halliburton or Ridge, or Ann Coulter or Joseph Lieberman or the Rich, or any bish up in Congress.
They just make laws.
When it come to fightin', we the ones that end up in gauze.
So when you say support that murderer, I have no applause.
And tell us, Paris, because we're about to go to break, come back with a long segment, final segment with you, and I want to have you back again, if you'll grace us, with some of the new CDs, some of the MP3s that are out.
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And he's got some of the most powerful hip-hop slash spoken word, whatever you want to call it, pieces I've ever seen.
And this is our final segment with him.
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We're going to have some other big guests coming up too in the next week, God willing.
Parris, I want to play AWOL, we've played sheep to the slaughter.
But before we do that, we were just now talking about the fact that you've broken through and are now getting distributed by Universal.
And I didn't ask you this question.
Let me ask you on the air.
Is it because the internet and alternative distribution systems like the ones you've created that have been so successful, now forcing the big universals to cave in to alternative information?
Because now my videos are in Blockbuster and Hollywood Video, nothing compared to what you're doing, but I've even seen my stuff break through now, and I've talked to some of the big corporate guys, and they're all, yeah, we know it's true, we know the New World Order's running everything, yeah, yeah, we're trying to sneak your stuff in.
So, it seems like that the facade is starting to collapse.
But I think that, you know, just from a financial standpoint, I think they're really attracted to business models that make sense right now.
So if you have an operation with really low overhead and you can sell a lot of volume and you can deliver fairly consistently, I think that that's something that they're attracted to.
I mean, the antiquated business model of having a record label or a film company with 200 to 300 employees, like a lot of these current subsidiaries have, I mean, we're seeing that.
It's come to an end.
And again, it's a proven sales history.
That'll do it.
And I mean, with the kind of numbers you move and the following you have, that'd be no problem at all for you to do the same thing.
I mean, if you're already in Blockbuster, you know, that's getting over the hump.
You know, being in Blockbuster for your movies is the equivalent of being on Clear Channel for music.
Well, you know, the military-industrial complex and the prison-industrial complex, I mean, they're working in tandem.
You're absolutely right about people waking up and becoming more aware, and that is directly attributable to counter-establishment, popular media, like what we create, and to the Internet.
I mean, the Internet really is a great equalizer of information.
You can find out pretty much whatever you want to know about anything on the Internet.
I don't know what they can do.
That is something, and the Internet is in real time, you know, also.
So it's not something that you have to wait on to find out stuff about.
which is my last record, which is a first person narrative of a high school student who encounters military recruiting on campus and all of the lies that they tell him and everything that he goes through and he ends up going for it.
And, uh, you know, to a sad end.
So, it's pretty self-explanatory once you hear it.
Well, that's one thing that I wanted to acknowledge, is the supporters.
I never say fans, but I definitely appreciate the support.
You know, encourage people to support counter-establishment media and to support independent media and independent art, like what Alex is doing, like, you know, like what you're doing and like what I'm doing.
And I want to say thanks to all the many people that are on MySpace.
You know, MySpace has been a huge thing for me as well as GorillaFunk.com and to Jonathan Black for hosting this interview and, you know, to you and Trey and Aaron and everything.
You know what it is, especially in hip-hop, man, it seems like nobody knows anything.
I don't encourage anybody to speak out on things that they don't know.
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So I encourage everybody to do more independent reading, more independent research, you know, to become more exposed and to travel if you can, if you're of means to be able to travel and go places and experience things that other people are going through.
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What If I Say You're Not Like Others00:05:11
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Don't let it show.
Pretend.
When I'm dark in the dark window And again Turning your carousel Bringing that front from marching in Again Beneath you very deep
The secrets that you keep are ever ready Are you ready?
I'm finished, I can't stand Done pleading, there's no branch that holds Just dance I'm finished, I can't stand with me Don't you listen with me?
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What if I say you're not like the others?
What if I say you're not just another one?
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Demo memory, demo memory, demo memory What if I say I'm not like the others?
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You're the pretender, what if I say I don't have a good matter?
What if I say I'm not like the others?
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What if I say I'm not just another one in your place?
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What if I say I'm not like the others?
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And we are joined by Kent Schneider of the RonPaul2008.com campaign to give us an overview of where we're going and what's happening coming up in the Super Tuesday.
Mr. Schneider, thanks for spending time with us.
There's so much to talk about.
What is most important to impart to the listeners right now, sir?
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Well, you mentioned Super Tuesday, and that's really the showdown of Super Tuesday.
I know the Super Bowl is on Sunday, but the real important game is on the following Tuesday, and we'd certainly encourage people today and all through the weekend to sign up for Precinct Cleaners, get their friends to get out and vote, and there's, what, 20-22 states, so the big showdown is on Tuesday to donate if you can.
So we can get more television and radio out there, but a whole year's worth of effort is really coming down to Tuesday, and here's our opportunity to take a stand.
Now, I know you guys want to look forward instead of backwards, and I want to do that today and talk about your strategy, because the listeners obviously want to know, Mr. Schneider.
But going back, I mean, New Hampshire, now Bev Harris, who helped produce the HBO documentary, she says there is clear fraud and, quote, criminal operation dealing with a recount.
You guys did say that there were serious problems in Louisiana, where it looked like you won first place, they're saying second.
Then in Nevada, Ron Paul got second, but Fox and others didn't even show his face and said McCain got it.
I mean, what the Ron Paul supporters I know are wanting, they're now getting, with the campaign saying they're upset about this.
But, of course, we have to look forward, but I think we look forward to more of this.
I mean, what's your statement on all this chicanery?
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Well, we have, we reserved our right, as far as Louisiana, reserved our right to file a lawsuit down there.
We're actually going to be making a decision about that in the next day or two.
You know, Dr. Paul did have a statement in terms of New Hampshire.
I mean, there's no doubt that elections, there's problems in terms of what degree, of course, you'd have to go through each individual situation.
As far as the media bias, you know, you and I have talked about this before, and of course that was never more evident.
In the latest debate, the CNN broadcast at the Reagan Library in terms of the time that Dr. Paul got and even Huckabee got, or didn't get is probably a better way of putting it, but there's no doubt that the establishment is pulling out the stops to make sure that the Ron Paul campaign and all the people who support him are silenced or ignored or aware of that.
You know, unfortunately for us, we have a campaign to run.
And it's very difficult when you get into this legal mud, as I call it, of various jurisdictions around the country.
It's very, very difficult for us to run a full-fledged campaign at the same time.
I totally understand, and I think the listeners do, because you spend all your money, all your time, all your energy fighting those instead of looking forward and dealing with the next battle to come.
But I want listeners and Ron Paul supporters to take heart, which they are.
Because this massive blackout we're seeing and this attempt, I wouldn't even call it bias.
I mean, when they give him a third the time the other candidates get, less than a third, the questions, when they...
That's not bias, that's cheating.
It's like having a horse race that's ten laps, and you give the other guy six laps, you know, head start, or in an Indy 500, Ron's got to wait two hours after the race starts to even be able to get his car out there, and that shows the establishment is scared, but the good news is alternative media has gotten the word out that he got second place in two major states.
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No, you're right.
Thankfully for shows like yours and of course the internet and all the websites and the blogs and all the email traffic, people around the country, in fact different parts of the world, they keep the truth going.
Dr. Paul has said many, many times that it wasn't for the internet and the so-called alternative radio.
Talk shows, broadcasts, as well as via the internet, this whole effort wouldn't be what it is today.
Well, now is the time to redouble and retriple our efforts, regardless of what happens in this election.
As the Congressman has said, we're educating people who would have ever thought we'd see MSNBC talking about the private criminal Federal Reserve and how there's a need for investigations.
Who would have ever thought we'd see Ron Paul on Jay Leno twice?
Who would have ever thought that Liberty's message, I see Ron Paul sticker signs, phone calls, it's just the buzz is everywhere that's clearly they're cheating.
I mean there's no doubt on its face I know that's happening.
People say then why keep running?
Why keep canvassing?
Because they don't cheat everywhere, they don't have control everywhere, and we're going to prove the system has problems.
You have to engage the corrupt system to later be able to prove that all of that is happening.
That's now developing.
Everybody needs to continue to give money to RonPaul2008.com.
Let's talk about what we can do in the four days, five days leading up to Super Tuesday, then into California.
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Well, my biggest suggestion for people is, again, to become a precinct leader.
Do that on RonPaul2008.com.
Make a donation so we can keep the ads going.
But the third thing is, and this is overlooked time and time again, is people should, you know, invite, encourage, urge, push, whatever words you want, five, ten people of friends and family to do the same thing.
I mean, just imagine, do the math.
I mean, let's say we have a million people out there actively doing, you know, becoming a pre-seq leader and we've got people donating money.
If every one of those people would just get three people just to do the very same thing that they did, Match their donation, if it's $20 or $25 or $100, whatever it is, and then do some canvassing in their neighborhood, become a precinct leader, this whole campaign would dramatically change for the better overnight.
And so it's just doing the fundamental things, doing them well, spreading the word, asking people to help.
Kent, the congressman said six months ago that he probably wouldn't run on a third party because the machinery isn't there.
I agree with that at that time.
And obviously, we can't even start talking about third party runs until we see what happens in Super Tuesday and after that.
But now, in some of the debates and some of the interviews, he said, well, I never really thought about it, but now there's such interest.
He said things similar to that, you know, that well now, you know, maybe, but right now, you know, I'm running as a Republican.
I'm not trying to put words in his mouth.
I don't have the exact quotes there, but you've heard him, Ken Schneider, head of the campaign.
I don't want to put the cart before the horse here, but as a way to buoy people to let them know so they don't get crestfallen, we need to have the maximum effort now.
We need to have a maximum effort in donations on the street, and disagree if you disagree.
I'm telling you my idea.
Sure.
We need to have the maximum money given, maximum phone calls to talk shows, maximum canvassing, people going to the site, signing up to be precinct leaders now, in a week they can do so much.
I mean, obviously, he's starting to hint.
There's so much momentum, so much money can be raised, and if... I mean, right now, Bloomberg sees how weak the two parties are.
So if they shut Ron Paul out, cheat him out, I mean, you look at the numbers, he's popular with independents, he's popular with Democrats, Republicans.
I've done a poll that shows, with Zogby, it was a fair poll.
We even published the actual questions, which they never do.
Ron Paul would win in a three-party race if he could get on the ballot everywhere, And even if he didn't win, he would be in those national debates to continue to expose the fact that both parties are pro-war and pro-New World Order.
So there's my take, Kent Snyder.
You've got the floor.
Give us your take.
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Well, Dr. Paul has said many times, as you know, that this is not the end, it's the beginning.
And he's also said none of us can really predict the future.
And when you consider those two statements that he's made consistently from the start of this campaign a year ago, you know, I do believe that Dr. Paul and you and millions of other people around the United States, that this really is the beginning.
In what form it takes, we don't know.
Dr. Paul doesn't know.
Nobody really knows.
But the good news is, and this is where people should take satisfaction, they should take heart, and they should take this as a source of encouragement, that this is the beginning, it's not the end.
Exactly what form it goes past Super Tuesday, or past the convention, or past the election, no one really knows.
But the exciting part for Dr. Paul, and I've heard him say this publicly as well as privately, and for people who've been in the freedom movement for a long time, This is the beginning.
That's the exciting part.
What form it takes, we don't know.
So I just encourage people, especially that are new to the Freedom Movement, new to the campaign, if you really consider it, the glass is half full, it's not half empty.
And whatever happens, that to me is the exciting part, because I don't know exactly what form it's going to take.
I mean, if you go back six months ago, they were still cheating him on time, but he was getting a little more coverage because they thought he was an anomaly they could minimize.
Now they're actually scared.
That's when we saw the hit pieces get launched.
I mean, they are desperate right now, and that shows how viable Ron Paul is.
One thing is, so many new people have come to the political process who were turned off by it, or people who were turned off who'd been involved earlier, and they're expecting, you know, this is all going to be a bed of roses.
This is a long, hard fight, Kent.
unidentified
Oh yeah, that's a good point, and I'm glad you reminded people of that, because things didn't get bad overnight, and it's going to take a long-term effort to correct them.
We know that, a lot of people know that, but people who are fairly new to the political process and who are frustrated with how things are, you know, six months is no time at all.
I mean, I understand their frustration, but, you know, people like Dr. Paul and yourself who've been involved in this for many, many years, you know, we just need to keep going and people need to understand who are fairly new to this freedom movement that there's a lot more that we need to do.
But, like you said, a lot has been accomplished this last year, and for us, That really is the exciting part for us to keep going even harder and faster for the next 5, 10, 20, 30 years.
Clearly first place in Louisiana, but they cheated him.
Winning first, second place.
This huge buzz for liberty.
As Ron Paul says, he will not be our leader.
He is trying to be a focal point for turning the people's power and liberty in the free market loose.
Again listeners, and most people understand this, but some still don't.
This is so exciting what's happening and we've got to stay fully 110% in the game right now through Super Tuesday through the next couple primary days and then don't worry you're going to see what you mean hint hint we can't give the enemy too much ammo right now you're going to see something big happen Let's talk about, hypothetically, a three-way run.
The problem is Bloomberg's going to come in now, knowing both parties are weak.
I see that as hurting Dr. Paul, but still, he'll be one of the strongest candidates in that fight.
Give us your take on that.
I mean, hypothetically.
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Well, yeah, I mean, I think you're right.
Bloomberg is really the wild card, and he's the wild card because he has so much money, and he's publicly said, at least in the reports I read, that he would spend a half a billion or even a billion dollars to run.
And, of course, that is an ungodly amount of money for someone to run for president.
I also understand he's been doing quite a bit of polling and has been for the last several months to determine whether or not his campaign would be viable.
But I do think the other wild card is that the political taste and mood of the country, I think, is something that is really hard to gauge.
I think my personal guess is that for us, the public by and large, they're not satisfied with Obama or Clinton or McCain or Romney.
That's why they're kind of looking towards Bloomberg.
But for us and our movement, I think the time is ripe.
For us to keep going.
So that's the one thing that is really the wild card is really what is the public sentiment.
And if there is some sort of financial calamity or something else along the line, exactly how will people respond?
I don't think that people really know.
So the good news for us anyway is this presents an opportunity for serious movement.
Politically, third-party candidates or alternative candidates always are stronger during major political realignments.
We're in the middle of a political realignment.
Ron Paul came at the perfect time.
Every major political strategist, he was being honest, regardless of their stripe, have admitted this.
They call it liquid.
In the political realm, ladies and gentlemen, in the sociology and psychology and PR realm, things are liquid now.
They've been frozen in the left-right false control paradigm for the last, really, 100 years.
We're seeing the first major realignment.
There's no debating.
New York Times, Washington Post have all reported.
Congress has an 11% approval rating.
Both parties are hated.
And there's only one candidate now in the race.
Who is popular on every issue because it happens to be constitutional and the Constitution is popular.
He's to control the borders, national sovereignty.
He's against the unpopular war.
He is against the inflation tax.
He is dead on on every issue.
So if we get the message out, if he can get on the ballot as a third party candidate, if that happens to happen, he is absolutely The candidate.
He is the perfect candidate.
I mean, this is like a fairy tale or something.
It's so perfect.
And then his message has, for 30 years, has been about what is now precipitating, what is now unfolding, Ken Snyder.
unidentified
Oh, you're absolutely right.
I mean, Dr. Paul, as you know, and your listeners, I'm sure, know that Dr. Paul has been making these statements for the last 30 years.
He's been making these predictions time and time again.
He's found to be correct in all of those, especially the predictions in terms of what's happening.
And as everyone knows who's followed Dr. Paul et al., they realize that he has such a consistent record, a long-time, long-term record in terms of what he's talked about, his votes, his legislation.
So when people look to Dr. Paul for the first time, I'm struck time and time again, they usually You know, he has a record that's so consistent, that's long and consistent, that it gives me a feeling of trust in terms of who this person is.
And that's something that you just don't do overnight.
So fortunately for him and for the campaign and the supporters, we're now able to showcase that trust and that people are finding that, especially in today's climate, they're finding that very attractive.
We've only got about a minute and a half left with you, Ken Schneider.
Hypothetically, when a congressman is picking up delegates every time they have a primary, and the other candidates are dropping out so he's getting more and more attention even though they try to freeze him out, how many delegates do you think you need to get to stay in the Republican process, and when might we see, and again this is all hypothetical, the announcement for third party?
Delegates And Bargaining Chips00:15:40
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Well, as far as the delegates, I mean, that really is a function of how Romney and McCain go.
I mean, if Romney and McCain come down with 45% of the delegates into the convention in September in St.
Paul, Minneapolis, St.
Paul, and then Dr. Paul has 10% of the delegates, that would be certainly enough for Dr. Paul to have, if you will, a bargaining chip, a very big one.
So it's really going to come down to how Romney and McCain So you think a brokered convention is in the cards?
There goes Ken Schneider, head of the Ron Paul 2008.com campaign.
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They're saying that gold has been a poor hedge against inflation due to the fact that the central banks have been manipulating it for so long, and now it's breaking loose, and that's exactly what got... You know, the reason why I picked up the Wall Street Journal is because I wanted to see that GATA ad.
And they're looking for $3,000 to $5,000 an ounce gold.
And they want to do this audit on the Fort Knox.
And it's really something.
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all the woes going on, the lending institutions that are going bankrupt, the subprime loan stuff, you know, affecting not only our nation, now bleeding into the Japanese markets.
And, you know, it's like affecting the entire world.
And there is very little positive news at all in that Wall Street Journal.
Everything is negative.
And that's, you know, the people that are selling stocks now are saying this, that you've got to get out of paper and you've got to get into gold.
I think it's just ironic and somewhat comical to see those guys finally turning around and going, you know, we really do have problems.
We better start looking at gold.
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Well, it's about time they wake up.
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Now we're experiencing the problems and they're finally saying, yeah, go ahead guys, let's diversify and get into gold.
I do have some of those gold commemoratives left at $3.40, and the silver dollars obviously are a great buy at this time as well.
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I mean, right now the Wall Street Journal is calling for $1,000 gold here, and now before things correct and adjust for inflation, $2,300 an ounce for gold.
I mean, that's the Wall Street Journal and that's coming from the Give them the number on those offers.
Coming up in the next segment, we're going to have Paul Grudy on.
He was the head of the funeral home that took in the body of who they claim was Lee Harvey Oswald.
They then, uh, government came in and made him put his handprints, fingerprints, on the Magna Carta Cano rifle that they claim shot, uh, Kennedy, uh, in three shots in six seconds.
So we're going to have Mr. Grudy in studio coming up in about six minutes.
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Tell us about growing up, World War II, a little bit about yourself and how you got into the mortuary business leading up to the tragic assassination in 1963.
happened to be a part of the family that had a mortuary in Ohio.
And because of that background, I was inclined, and my brother was also inclined, to become a mortician.
Being around the business, we might say, for 75 years, that's a long time to be in anything.
And it's only those who are honestly dedicated that can be in this business because we're at a service all the time.
We are the ones that had to do what most folks didn't really ever want to do, and that was to go to a home or to go where somebody had died or been killed.
We're the ones that had to clean up that sort of mess that always exists around that kind of death.
Matter of fact, in the Williams Institute of Mortuary Sciences, it was required that we deal with at least eight I happen to be so easily accessible and so interested in it, I had 88 instead of just 8.
Because of my background there, I ended up in the medical field with the Army, and because of that, every pathologist that ever came around and was in a base hospital, wherever we were stationed in the States or overseas, They would hunt me up because I could assist that pathologist with an autopsy, whereas to find somebody who had that kind of background, it was a little unusual.
We ended up going into Le Havre, going through France and up into Germany, fought the Germans, and at that time we knew it was winding down because the Germans were running out of food and out of ammunition, and my jeep would go to get supplies, and they would come back, and there'd be a dozen Germans hanging on his jeep, because they knew it was over.
But one interesting little story I think is quite important.
Because of the fact that they were winding down, it didn't make a lot of difference, but a German Red Cross agent, one who was an honest-to-goodness medic, like I was, came across the line and said, Sergeant, can I end up working with you guys, because we know can I end up working with you guys, because we know we're ending the He was using perfect English, and I said, how come you can talk so good?
Oh, he said, I've been to the States.
I've been around.
My family's been around.
And he said, if I could work with you guys, I would sure like that.
And I said, come on, we always could use extra help because we were still in the war.
We were still fighting.
They were still shooting at us.
Do you know that the Red Cross man who is the representative of the American Red Cross was a part of our outfit?
He lost his Jeep and this young German found out about it and he told the man, he said, you lost your Jeep?
He said, yeah, it blew up.
He said, I hit a mine and it tore it up.
He said, I don't have a vehicle.
He said, you just sit still a while.
He said, I'll be back.
He went across the line, went over to the motor pool on the German side and came driving back in a great big German Mercedes command car and said, here, you can have this now.
You don't need that Jeep now.
You sure got a good one.
And we wish we had that old car today because that would have been a classic out there.
I mean, so this gave you even more training in death, in firearms, in what the ballistics of a bullet going through flesh looked like.
I mean, I don't want to make you tell any war stories, but what was some of the most amazing or harrowing things that you saw while you were in Europe?
Well, of course, they were bringing me not only the Americans who had been injured and hit by...
ammunition or buy a bomb or whatever.
They were bringing that through my aid station, and we would take care of the vestibule.
Then we'd send them back to the base where they needed to go to get further help.
It was a matter of most fantastic that these boys were treated on the scene by my guys, who were my medics out in the field, and it was remarkable that they did save their lives.
Of course, we were taking care of the Germans as much as we were the Americans, because after all, and those German boys all said the same thing, said, we're sure glad you came along because you're going to get rid of Hitler.
They didn't like it either that they had this battle to fight.
Of course, we didn't know what happened to them after we sent them back, but they were taken care of, that's for sure.
And after all these years, I found out that a lot of us at that time were never treated for the fact that the bombs going off and the ammunition that was used and the type of death that we saw and the
Bad stuff stuck in our minds and they didn't recognize this, only now they do for the boys that are over in Iraq, that they really realize that they're committing suicide and they are not being, they had a problem, but we, back in those days, had no help whatsoever.
They didn't know that we were affected by the bombs and by the death that was around us.
Your grandpa was in the air.
I saw them up in the air and fly over us.
And some of those planes were in bad shape because they had been riddled and hit.
We ended up going all the way across Germany, clear across Czechoslovakia, up to Czechoslovakia.
Now that was 1300 miles away from La Havre.
They put us aboard little boxcars and took us back.
That was 1300 miles.
Something that affected me at the time that still carries over.
Do you know our car had a flat wheel?
It was thump, thump, thump, thump, thump all day long for that 1,300 miles.
And to realize today, when I go to a grocery store and get a cart and it's got a bumpy wheel, man, I get rid of that booger.
I can't stand that.
So this something carries over all these years later, realizing it was that many years later.
Now, when we're going to break, I want to come back and get directly into the JFK assassination and the part you play in that whole saga and story that is now coming to a head, finally, in closure today.
Paul Gritty, what were you doing on that horrible day in 1963 when the President was killed?
Secret Service called me and said, you are Paul Grudy.
We have checked into the records and found that you are a licensed mortician, that you did fight in the bones since you fought in the war.
Secret Service said, you come to Dallas and get the body of this man because we want your kind of guy to help us get the job done of knowing that this man was embalmed.
And buried properly, and that's how we did it.
Now, we did go to Dallas.
I did go to Dallas and pick up his body, brought him back to funeral home in Fort Worth, embalmed that body, made arrangements and buried him.
But a part of that that I think is so important, do you know the general public talks about Lee Harvey Oswald doing this?
I know his mother or knew his mother because she's gone.
She never was convinced that it was really Lee Harvey.
His brother, his wife, the two babies, and of course one thing about it, to think that this guy was pegged as the one who really did it, and it was proved that he did it.
And Mama never could quite believe that that was her son to do a thing like that.
But they are decent people.
She was a lovely old lady.
His brother is a nice guy, always had good work.
He's the one that paid the bill to bury his brother.
His wife took these two kids that they had and raised them, and they both graduated from the university, I understand, and they are such nice, wonderful girls and have their own families now, and it shows that this guy, I always said, you and it shows that this guy, I always said, you know, one nut showed up and shot the president, and the second nut showed up and shot him, and that was Ruby, Jack Ruby.
And now, I didn't know, but maybe there was a third nut out there was going to come and shoot the undertaker, huh?
Well, when we get back, I want to break down, I mean, as slowly as possible, as detailed as possible, Mr. Grudy.
I want to walk through what happened that day, then when Oswald got killed, how the Secret Service had you come get his body, how they had you put the fingerprints on it, and the rest of it, okay?
Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be right back after this quick break with Paul Grudy.
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They had to come out and pick up the body of Lee Harvey Oswald.
He wanted to prove that it indeed was Oswald later because there have been debates about three guys with the same name, different people running around, but the big issue here is the Secret Service came and had him put his palm print of the dead body of Lee Harvey Oswald on the Malinker Carcano rifle.
So if you can, Mr. Groody, walk us through when you went and picked up his body and then later when they came back and had you put the palm print on there in as much detail as you can.
Just the fact that we knew good and well if they put a palm print on his hand that they would put the black Uh... ink all over his hand and I was concerned the fact that when they did that I had to clean it up again because I was the one going to have to bury this guy and I didn't want that black all over everything.
So it was a matter of asking them to be careful when they did this.
But they came to my preparation room as we call it and did actually apply his hand onto that rifle to prove that that rifle had the the handprint on it that was really Oswald's handprint and not somebody else.
Now, my end of things was, my job was to bury this man and his mother said, "Yes, this is Lee Harvey Oswald." His brother said, "This is Lee Harvey." His wife said it was him.
Now, because of that, I had to type up a death certificate and file it, because that is my job.
And I had to prove that it was really Lee Harvey Oswald, and that's why I was convinced it was Lee Harvey.
Now, who did the shooting?
I absolutely do not know, but the Secret Service established the fact that they felt that that was who it was supposed to be.
You know, they come in, they take his hand, they put it where on the Mannlicher Carcano rifle, and B, was this the rifle, did they tell you this was the rifle that Oswald had supposedly had?
This is what they told me, that they wanted to do that because this was the rifle that they got from the school book depository, and that was the one that Oswald was supposed to have used.
Now, we don't know.
I have no knowledge.
The fact was, were they telling me the truth?
Well, that's where all the speculation can come from.
Could have been some drummed-up deal.
We don't know.
I have no idea.
But the one thing I had to establish was it wasn't really Lee Harvey.
So, therefore, I had the body of Lee Harvey Oswald.
Yeah, and therefore, him walking up and shooting like he did, remarkable that it missed the rib.
It would have ricocheted and changed direction and all of that, but I saw where it went through the rib between the ribs and lodged over on the other side of his body.
I saw all that so I know that that's where Ruby had hit him.
And to know that my experience overseas and with the bodies and people I was around and with all the army camps where people had been accidentally killed and whatnot and all the autopsies, I've been around thousands of them.
I saw what I saw, and I know that this guy was killed by Ruby.
Now, I don't know who else.
They couldn't have substituted a body on me.
They would not have come up with a body that quick.
We're going to come back with Paul Grudy on the other side.
I want to go back again and have you go back to memory exactly what the Secret Service said, what they had to do with the hand, then the former head of British Intelligence calling you, the exhuming of the body.
We're going to talk about it all with Paul Grudy on the other side.
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Paul Grudy was born in Washington, Kansas, February 22, 1919.
After high school and college, Paul graduated from Williams Institute of Mortuary Science.
He enlisted in the United States Army and became a chaplain's assistant, was in the Battle of the Bulge, and then a surgical technician.
After being honorably discharged, he returned to civilian life.
To build cemeteries, homes, and mortuaries, Paul was the licensed undertaker at the funeral director in charge of the burial, subsequent exhumation, and reburial of Lee Harvey Oswald.
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Okay, Paul, this is such a big deal, I want to walk through this slower.
Describe that day, what you've been doing, if you remember, when the Secret Service came in, what they said to you, where the body was, what they had the rifle in, what they said the rifle was, in detail, as much detail as you can give us, walk through it slowly.
Alex, I knew that we were probably going to be harassed when I would walk out back of the funeral home.
We counted 1,300 cameras back there behind us in our parking lot.
We knew we would be harassed.
When the Secret Service said, we're coming and we're going to want to make a print off of the hand of the man that you have, and we're going to blacken his hand and all, and I said, well you guys be careful back there because I'm going to bury him and I don't want that black all over all his clothes and everything.
So they did.
They were careful.
Now, they took a handprint And took his hand and put it against the butt of the rifle that was supposed to be the rifle that this man used.
I don't know if it was the real one or what it was.
Took it out and blackened his hand and pressed his hand on the butt of that gun exactly as a man would hold it.
Now, a dead human remains that had been embalmed, which I did, and did a A little more than normal, as far as embalming was concerned, because I knew they might want to look at him again in the future, because of that.
It would be hard to really get a good print, so we don't know how good a print it is.
When it does, everything has become rigid and firm.
You can tell how long a body has been gone, the life is out of a body because if rigor had not been set in, it doesn't take long for it to finally begin to set in and then to move arms and legs and the body.
This is a part of what happens to people and that's what happened in combat.
Boys that had been hit and we didn't know how long they'd been hit, but we knew that Rygard had been hit sometime earlier.
So you never know what's going on.
But we definitely knew that they were going to do this and I was careful To make sure that they would do it in a manner that would be proper and they did.
Well, we have, and I think this is an interesting tale.
Alex, there was a man that passed away in a rest home by the name of Bobo.
Mr. Bobo and the lady who was in charge of the rest home said, Mr. Bobo died and Paul would you come and get his body and then bomb him and bury him.
And I said, I'll do it.
And she said, now he had four $100 bills in his boot because he was an old cowboy and the boot had a hole in it and it had four holes.
That's a bigger hole, smaller, smaller, smaller.
in the $100 bills.
He had four $100 bills and that was to bury him with.
Those are the bills I used to bury that old man.
Now, knowing good and well that I had Bobo on table one, I moved Bobo to table two and put Oswald on table one.
Everybody that looked and they would say, "Is that Oswald?" I would say, because I'd open the door to go in there, and they'd say, is that Oswald?
I'd say, no, that's Mr. Bobo.
And all this time, I used Bobo to hide the fact that I had Oswald, because we didn't know what was going to happen to us.
We knew good and well that if Secret Service came, they would come, and they went to Table 1, where Oswald was, put that hand mark on him, We don't know how it turned out.
Well, if they found that, that's what they were doing.
They were making sure that his fingerprints were on the gun to prove that he was the one that actually used the gun to definitely make him to be the one who did the killing of President Kennedy.
Well, I don't remember now, but of course we have cosmetics and I felt as though the cosmetics would probably cover it up and it did pretty well cover everything up.
We didn't have any real problem with it because his hand is down and covered up with his way to keep a hand.
Michael Eddowes is an English author that wrote a book about it and because of that they wanted to know if I could disinter his remains so they could look at him again.
So this is what the process was and Mr. Bobo I mean, Mr. Eddowes, Michael Eddowes, said that he was going to come over and that he'd pay the bill if they'd dig him up.
And I said, well, if you're going to pay the bill, I'll get a permit.
And I did.
I went to the wife, went to Marina and got her to do it.
Well, it was a typical dead human remains, I'll guarantee you.
It had been recently... I mean, it had originally been broken.
It seemed like shortly after I buried him.
Now, one tale that goes with this that I think is interesting, if nothing else, the man who ran the cemetery, he committed suicide some years later.
And I said, I knew that man.
I can't believe that he would commit suicide.
doctor was in charge the pathologist that had done the autopsy on that guy I said how did he die he said he committed suicide and he I said what did he use he said he used a knife I said a knife to commit suicide yes 17 stab wounds to Have you ever experienced that?
That's not possible.
He was evidently knew too much about who got into that grave after I buried him.
We don't know what happened or why they wanted in the grave.
Who's going to prove what?
Were they going to steal body parts or what are they going to do?
Well, the fact that when we put it into the grave it was solid, it was cured, it was solid concrete, it was not anything cheap.
It's a good heavy-weighted thing.
When we Dougie Bump, that lid had been broken, the vault itself had been broken, showing that somebody had done something, and we have no knowledge who it was.
to certify that people shoot themselves twice the back of the head and cut their arms and legs and head off some Clinton people had that happen to them is that the thing you find me with all the cut in 50 pieces and they'd say I did it and do you know who takes care of all of that the poor undertaker I have been there hundreds and hundreds of times because we are the ones that have to go clean up the mess with a suicide or with a murder and all of that So you have to respect the old guy who's been at it.
Well, just the fact that if I go out into the woods and get a body that's been out in the woods a long time, you know it's going to end up to be nothing but a skeleton, because that's all that is left.
And it's nearly always disturbed and distributed around in the area.
But if they've left intact, their jaw is down on their chest, typical.
of that kind of thing can happen.
And this was what it looked like when we got there after 17 years.
Well, that clothing isn't, after that many years, is gone.
It's nothing, shreds anyway.
And they, we took that body after the autopsy, I mean after we'd exhumed him.
We took him to Parkland, where a pathologist and the assistants and all took care of it and made a total record of what it appeared to be.
And the weird part of it was, this man had been autopsied, therefore his skull had been capped.
so that the brain was removed.
They have his brain someplace.
I put the cap back on and sealed up his head again.
Now, that head looked like it had never been autopsied, because when I seal him up, I seal him up.
In other words, I glue that back on pretty well, and therefore I didn't want it sliding around, because it will make it crease right across the forehead, if that's the case.
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