Alex Jones and guests Bob Chapman and Charlotte Thompson-Isserby dissect alleged elite conspiracies, citing Arthur Calhoun's 1919 claim that the family is a "disease" and B.F. Skinner's behavioral psychology used since 1953 to retrain teachers as state agents. They argue the Federal Reserve rigs markets to trigger hyperinflation while elites plan to blame Al Qaeda for nuclear shutdowns, referencing Lord Milner's 1920s strategy to engineer Germany's implosion. Ultimately, the discussion posits that education systems function as a "Marxist factory" designed to strip children of sovereignty and create compliant global citizens under a New World Order. [Automatically generated summary]
We got Bob Chapman popping in for a 15 minute interview in about 30 minutes.
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And then Charlotte Thompson-Isserby, been interviewing her for more than 10 years.
We haven't had her on in about two.
So I thought, why not get her back up and continue the series we're doing here, yesterday with John Taylor Gatto on education, from their own source documents, how they're dumbing down the population.
How they took us from the most intelligent people in the world with the highest test scores, dwarfing any other nation, to being the dumbest in the industrialized and behind 20-plus third-world nations in the rankings as well.
That's right.
People growing up in dirt-floored huts in tiny villages are getting better educations than the American people.
And the reason I decided to get Charlotte on today was that I tend to go to YouTube every night, and I type my name, Alex Jones, in, and I hit date added to see what the latest videos and clips are.
And I went in there, and I saw this little individual who implies that he's going to school to be a social worker.
He's 30-something years old, I guess, and still in school doing that from what he implied.
And he just said that, I believe space aliens run everything.
I believe George Bush is with space aliens.
I've never said that.
We don't talk about space aliens here.
And he went on to say that we're just making it up that social workers have called the family a disease and said that it has to be eradicated and that everyone's mentally ill who is part of a family and that the state has to re-educate us.
But he did issue a challenge that last night and this morning I have yet to be unable to meet.
And that is about five years ago Bob Dacey came to me.
His son was going to college.
He's now a police officer.
And he was going to school here locally in Austin.
And I went way back in memory, to be accurate, it was ACC at the time.
Then he went to Sam Houston and got his official degree in law enforcement.
Really good guy.
And knew him when he was a little kid.
Grown-up man and a cop down in Houston, but long story short, Bob came in, and now Bob's only here eight, nine years, one of my great proteges, very proud of Bob Dacy, and he came in with a textbook down to the TV station.
He gave me photocopies of it, and it was Calhoun Readers Social Working something, and it was the textbook used at ACC and UT.
He had documents on that.
And it said that something like, the family is a throwback to ancient times.
We must cure this disease.
The family is a disease.
Then I saw Bob a few months ago and I said, Bob, can you find that?
And he said, yeah, I'll try.
But, you know, in five years we go through quite a few documents.
And Bob, since then, I haven't really stayed on him, hasn't found it.
And then I did some Google searching and I couldn't find it last night for about an hour and got madder and madder.
Then I spent about another hour and a half of time I didn't have this morning doing it.
But that means if I forget to not talk about this in the third hour and you posted it in the PrisonPlanet.com message board, you need to call in and tell me where it is so I can go find it.
Here's an example.
Four or five months ago I went on air and talked about how Cities all over the country won't hire you if you have over 100 IQ as a cop.
People said I was a liar.
And the listeners literally found like 30 mainstream articles and we blew them away.
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And when you get home, babe, I'll be gone.
Your name will represent you, I don't believe a word you say.
What would you say?
And if you wonder what I'm doing, I'll tell you I found a better way.
Well, those were times in the past we shared, but now, baby, I don't really care.
Oh, I'm over and ready.
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Okay, let me just stop and go back to what I was saying before the break.
I remember about four or five months ago, I got on air and I mentioned stories that I've covered many times over the years.
And I've talked about how the states, under federal guidelines and federal grants, from Detroit to Dallas, Texas, from New York City to Los Angeles, California, I mean, every major city I've seen, there have been lawsuits and cases, I see them pop up every few months, where if a police officer now has over 100 IQ, they don't hire you, and that's done, we have the documents, because they found people over 100 IQ, over average intelligence,
100 IQ isn't stupid.
Most of us have 100 IQ.
I'm not saying cops are dumb, I'm just saying they don't want above average that are going to see the big picture and ask questions.
And sure enough, YouTube videos, emails, phone calls, I'm a liar, I'm making that up.
People didn't believe it.
And they said, Alex didn't give proof for that.
Alex just made that up.
Well what happens is, If I've already covered something 30, 40, 50, 60 times with the actual news articles, I will then get into shorthand on the air, and I will say, yeah, they won't hire cops if they've got over 100 IQ.
That's been that policy for at least a decade, that we know of.
There have been national TV programs about it, trying to spin it.
And sure enough, our great listeners, when I mentioned it, went into the PrisonPlanet.com forums and literally found dozens and dozens of stories and articles and mainstream reports.
It's the same thing.
When I get up here and I say the Mexican Attorney General made his employees take implantable microchips, that was in MSNBC, Associated Press, Reuters.
It was big news four years ago.
And the last time I mentioned that I got emails and calls and YouTube videos were made saying I was a liar.
I'm not a liar.
And frankly, before you just say I'm making something up, you should go Google it and search it out for yourself.
But maybe since I mentioned that, we should just post it right there in the forum.
But the people that are saying these things, I don't even think that they're out there themselves lying, calling me a liar.
I think they really think I'm making this up.
They can't believe that the Mexican Attorney General took a microchip and made his employees take one.
I don't think they believe that the California Bureau of Prisons in 2003 tried to make its prisoners take it, Reuters reported.
There was a backlash and lawsuits and then they backed off.
I don't think when I talk about civilian inmate labor camp programs and the admissions of secret concentration camps from 86 until 96, declassified in 96, I think people hear that and they just think it's a lie.
Why don't you type civilian inmate labor camp program into Google?
And you will find it.
You will find out I'm telling the truth.
Now, occasionally, I go back from something 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12 years ago, 13 years ago, 15 years ago, because I was politically active and, you know, fighting the New World Order two years before I got on air, and it's so many years ago, I can't even find it.
I know I reported it.
I know I held it in my hand.
I know it's true, but you know what?
Now, it's kind of like a pet peeve or an obsessive compulsive in a way.
There's a few things I obsess on.
And it might be not being able to find some 15 year old t-shirt with holes in it that I love.
That happened this morning.
Or it might be not being able to find my car keys.
I just go crazy.
Or it might be, I mean, we've all got them.
Well, one of them is not being able to find something I've had.
Now, it's Calhoun Reader, Social Work 101, something like that.
Five years ago, maybe six years ago, I had it on TV, the textbook.
Bob took it back and gave it back to his son who was going to college here locally.
I asked Bob for it.
He can't find it.
He gave it back to his son because he sold the textbook back.
They're so expensive.
He had photocopies of it.
I'm lighting a fire.
I want that text.
Where it said the family is a disease, and primitive, and needs to be eradicated.
I want it, and I want it now.
Now John Taylor Gatto read the Hillary Clinton quote, footnoted from his free book, at JohnTaylorGatto.com yesterday, where he came on and talked about Hillary saying the family was a primitive, you know, bad institution.
I know that we've got official Department of Education documents where they said they wanted to remove the family from being in control.
So I just went ahead and set Charlotte Iserby up today for the third hour to address this.
In fact, let's just go ahead and play the first minute of this guy.
And again, he's just indicative of the average person.
I believe he really believes I'm lying.
I believe that he really thinks I'm making this up.
And I guess in his social working classes or whatever he took at college, he implies it was social working.
He says he never read this in his social working books, but he didn't come across this.
I don't know how you didn't.
It's said in different ways throughout the literature.
I mean, I've got in Endgame the quotes of him talking about taking over the family and mass drugging the population.
I mean, there's hundreds and hundreds of these quotes and statements, but let's just hear the very first of this, where he, out of the gates, though, Says that I say that space aliens run things, and that George Bush is working with space aliens.
I have never said this.
So at first he makes totally illegitimate attacks, and then he expands out, though, into things that are legitimate.
Because he's seen shows where I just mention that, oh yeah, I saw this textbook where it said this.
And, you know, five years later, I don't have it in front of me.
But it is real.
Here it is.
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Hello there, YouTube.
This is the Scientist, and I'm doing a video response to the Alex Jones Family and Socialism thing.
First off, I want to say that Alex Jones nuts.
This is the same guy who does Prison Planet, and we all know it for gems like Aliens are Invading, you know, Bush is an Alien, just weird, off-the-wall crap like that.
And this video is a perfect example of what this guy is all about.
Absolutely perfect, and I just spelled it out for you.
First of all, why are police and social workers in a children's classroom bad?
And I don't think they mean, like, right in the classroom, but working with teachers, I don't know why that would be a bad thing.
I mean, you know, schools are, in and of themselves, designed in part to catch things like abuse, or Childhood did all the problems.
The Fed's own numbers cover Newsweek, the shame of foster care, 2000.
That little black kid on the cover.
Go pull it up.
Don't just sit there and say I'm lying.
Go prove I'm wrong.
Said that you're five times more likely to be abused in foster care or in the CPS, Child Protective Services system.
It's the most dangerous place for children.
And, you know, he probably thinks I'm lying when I say AP reported in Michigan they threw fake blood on kids and set off fake bombs with smoke and told them that the homeschool defense league quote against public education, that was in the news, was going to kill them.
Or that they come in unannounced and make the children urinate on themselves in SWAT team drills Or that it was in the Pensacola News Journal that Marines came in, aimed guns at them, and said, Bill Clinton wants you to know what martial law is like.
1998 Pensacola News Journal.
I mean, there's hundreds of these stories.
It was in the major Minneapolis St.
Paul newspaper in 2001.
I had the teacher and her lawyer on, where they came into the portable buildings, aimed guns at them, told them they were going to kill them, marched them out of the woods.
She had a nervous breakdown.
Kids were defecating all over themselves.
This was in the newspaper, not telling them it was a drill.
And I see one of these every month.
This is the type of brainwashing and trauma that's going on in these schools.
Or Swansboro, North Carolina, the police dogs grabbing the bags, ripping them open, all on school surveillance cameras, looking for drugs, no drugs found.
They're indoctrination centers for putting kids into the prison system.
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a proud and proud By the 1850s they'd set up the first social worker battalions in England.
They picked up the very same ideas by the 1880s in the U.S.
through eugenics and they forcibly took tens of thousands of Native American youth from all the major tribes and they put them on trains from out west From the East, they'd take them up to huge training centers.
You didn't know this.
And they'd cut their hair short.
They'd make them wear suits and ties.
And they'd destroy their culture.
That was the males.
They'd take their women by the turn of the century right through to today and sterilize them.
And I saw the Austin Chronicle.
Somebody sent me an article they'd written a few months ago.
I just read it the other night.
And it made a joke about me.
It said I was basically crazy and Made stuff up about the government sterilizing Native Americans and how I was a nut.
That's public!
That's on PBS, you pieces of filth!
And I'm sick of you making jokes about everything that's happening and everything that's going on around us, just because you're little kids, mentally, and you don't know about the real world, and you're not aware of the horrors that are taking place.
And they practice it all on the blacks, they practice it on the natives, and by the way, they're doing it to everybody now.
There's a lot of yuppies and a lot of know-it-alls.
I was talking to a friend just last week and she was talking about her sister who's a prosecutor in Fort Worth.
And she was talking about a documentary out about toxic waste in China and the industry and how the deformities are up and the children are dying.
And she just said, and how does that affect me, what's happening in China?
She's on a power trip.
You know, that woman, I'm sure, engages in tyranny every day up in Fort Worth and just enjoys herself on a big fat power trip, but she takes the shots and she drinks the fluoride and she feels like she's part of the system.
You're nothing.
This same system's chewing your very soul out, lady.
So you go ahead and make jokes and say they didn't take the Native Americans and destroy their culture.
You know, the government, 250 years ago,
The British government, the French government, openly in textbooks, in field manuals, talked about how they could go into a smallpox area, go into people's homes that had smallpox, and how they could get the blankets, because again, Europeans have been dealing with it for tens of thousands of years, so they weren't as susceptible, they just got sick generally, and how they could take it and give it to the natives, and how it was a good way to wipe them out.
Did you know?
That didn't start in the 1860s out west.
That was being done in Canada, what's Canada today, in French Canada, in British Canada, and in British Colonial, what is the United States, original 13, and into the wilderness areas.
Going into Ohio and Iowa and going even further out into Illinois, going into Michigan, Going into Tennessee.
By the way, they even got it on Discovery Channel now.
I won't watch a lot of TV, but I happened to flip it on a few months ago.
I even saw them admitting, what I already read in history books, that the Huns knew how to take somebody who had the plague, or they knew how to take somebody who had smallpox, and they would catapult their rotten bodies over the wall when they were running sieges against the Chinese.
The Chin.
And others.
Where Chinese comes from, the Qin Dynasty.
That's what they would do.
Oh, but the government doesn't launch biotechs today.
People were just doing it a thousand, two thousand, three thousand years ago.
Oh, no.
They don't do anything.
There's no social engineering going on.
None of it's happening.
We can just trust the government and do whatever they say.
Doesn't matter if New Scientist admits fluoride eats holes in your brains and massively lowers IQ and lists a whole bunch of government and university studies.
I mean, I only mention that because people won't believe me, they'll believe New Scientist.
Doesn't matter if the American Medical Association and the American Dental Association since 2005 have said children shouldn't drink fluoride and shouldn't brush their teeth with it.
They're not going to stop.
Doesn't matter.
A lot of you out there are... would have just been averaged 100 IQs, but you've got a 90 and 85 and 80 because of the fluoride alone.
So you can't even understand me right now.
You're a grueling mess.
But for those of you that have still got some brain left, listen to me.
Stop drinking it.
Stop letting them attack.
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I wanted to talk about what a crash will look like, and if we are going to have a crash, when he thinks that will unfold, or if it will just be this long, slow slide into night.
Then Ron Paul's called for investigation of the Fed, so is Cramer now.
Jim Cramer, of all people, on MSNBC, CNBC's on both.
Who is to blame?
Why they're orchestrating this?
How they're doing it?
I was in a store line yesterday, bringing some food home to the family, and I heard people talking about how the Federal Reserve was behind this, and they didn't even know who I was.
It wasn't like they were listeners to this show.
The word's finally getting out.
But I want Bob Chapman, international forecaster of TheInternationalForecaster.com, to be able to comment on this.
So let's play a few minutes of Jim Cramer attacking the Fed.
You thought you'd never hear it.
Well, now you are hearing it.
Things are changing.
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Here it is. - You know I am no fan of the Federal Reserve these days.
You know that I think the Fed has hurt this stock market and this U.S.
Frankly, I think the Federal Reserve has run amok.
It's become totally unaccountable.
Tonight, I think I found a fellow traveler, Congressman Ron Paul, who's running for president as a Republican and has been highly critical of the Federal Reserve.
I'm inviting all the candidates to swing through Mad Money and talk about your money.
Congressman Paul's position is so important on the Fed, and his method of spreading his message for his campaign is so different from everyone else's, that we're thrilled to have him on the show tonight.
Look, one of the things that's changed, and you're changing it, caucuses and kissing babies, they don't cut it anymore on the campaign trail.
This is 2007.
YouTube is king in so many ways.
I never thought we would have so much in common, Congressman Paul, but you and I have struck a chord and become YouTube sensations.
And it's about an unlikely topic.
It's about the Federal Reserve.
And we know even the younger people, younger people are into it.
Why is it that your message, my message, somewhat critical, absolutely critical to the Fed, is just reaching home to so many young people and actually everyone throughout the country.
Well, to me it's utterly amazing.
When I go to the college campuses, I get the loudest applause when I criticize the Fed and indicate that I don't even like the Fed and think we should talk about getting rid of it.
So it is an important issue and I think this is the first time in over a hundred years that it's become an issue in a presidential campaign.
So I'm really excited about it because the monetary issue is something that has driven me to get involved in politics for a long time.
Now you have been, I think, spot on in saying that the Federal Reserve created the stock bubble with low margin rates and it created the housing bubble with low mortgage rates.
Yet I never hear about anyone talking about investigating the Fed in Congress.
It's a creature of Congress.
Why don't we do it?
You're absolutely right.
That's why I introduce a bill constantly to audit the Federal Reserve.
We've created the Federal Reserve, and it has no oversight.
We don't even know if they have the gold there anymore.
When we come in at the 8 after the next hour, I want to play the rest of it.
I want to get to Bob Chapman now, who will be with us until then, maybe even a little bit longer.
He got second place yesterday in Louisiana in the caucus.
He got second place in the Nevada primary.
This is huge news, but Giuliani still gets three, four times the coverage Ron Paul does.
They are really getting desperate right now, but thank God Kramer did have him on.
Bob Chapman, I mean, two, three years ago, I would have never imagined we'd hear open discussions of the private Federal Reserve stealing gold, being more secret than the CIA, running the country.
Now, the top five, six videos on Google 100.
Are the Money Masters and other videos exposing the Federal Reserve, the Von Mise Institute, my video, America Freedom to Fascism, I mean all the top videos now.
Incidentally, Aaron Russo is one of our subscribers.
And I infrequently talk with him.
It's very nice to see intellectual honesty coming out of Wall Street.
I hope Mr. Kramer knows the wrath that that's going to bring down upon him.
I'm glad he said what he said.
The tape that we've heard is totally truthful, but they don't want to hear about that on Wall Street.
They want to do what they want to do, and they've had free reign for a long, long time, and they essentially have a license to steal.
You know, I spent 28 years in the brokerage business, and I own my own firm for a number of years, and so I know what they do.
I'm one of the ones who left retired, and unfortunately I have to work because I'm an A-type.
But anyway, in the market, we saw a two-hour turn that took the market from a minus $300 on the Dow to a plus $300.
Now, let me tell you something.
That doesn't happen by smoke and mirrors.
That happens because the working group and financial markets Which is a creature of an executive order by Ronald Reagan in August of 1988.
They go into the market, and they rig the markets.
Now, it was intended for emergencies.
The emergency being September, October the 18th, approximately 1987.
the 18th, approximately 1987.
I was in London when the market collapsed.
And what has happened is that they put this in place for emergencies.
So what does the Fed and the U.S.
Treasury do?
They use it 24-7 now.
They're in, bobbing in and out of markets of pure fascism.
But anyway, that's what they did.
And of course, they suppressed gold because they knew that they were going to drop rates, and they knew how much they were going to drop them, and they knew that would make gold go up, so they hit gold.
And they do that by either Arranging for selling from, perhaps, and I say perhaps because we don't know whether America's got any gold or not, it hasn't been audited since 1954.
Or they've got another central bank to sell gold into the market, or bought puts, or shorted, or whatever they did.
Anyway, they drove gold down.
And then they did their 600 point turnaround after they made their announcement and a three-quarter of a point cut.
And what happened?
Gold goes up $25 this morning.
They're not going to keep it down.
The world is catching on, finally, to what they're doing.
Well, Bob, also on the face of it here, I mean, when you've got the private Federal Reserve with all these governors and presidents and chairmen who openly are in revolving doors with the biggest private banks, you know, the IMF and World Bank, this is the ultimate insider trading for select interests.
Well they gave him the quote IMF 100 point plan and they openly stated we're here to destroy third world countries we don't want to do it to the first world and we want to totally implode them so we can buy everything up with the credit and liquidity we issue and he just said you know what I'm a globalist but I'm not going to be part of this.
You're absolutely right and the outcome is that he's letting information out that people need to know And I think he's doing a fine job and I'm glad his honest conscience took command over the kind of greed that we fell with Alan Greenspan.
Well last January 24th on this show, in fact I looked it up, this is the day, he was here last year with us when he was in Texas.
And he said that within two years, they hadn't reversed their policies, which he said they were doing on purpose, that it was a majority chance that we would go into a global depression, and now we're a year into that, and it looks like they're only going to accelerate the policies that are going to bring us to that.
And the only question, like you raised earlier, will it be quick or will it be delayed?
And I am in the delayed school, so to speak.
They're going to fight ferociously to keep the system going, to keep their money and power rolling as long as they can.
They don't want to give up.
And plus, they don't want it discovered, what they've been doing, because people are just going to go off the deep end when they find out That they've been in rigging the markets?
They're also busy for three years positioning their wealth into transportation, into military, into communication, into staples, into commodities that they know aren't going to go down when all the paper corporate paper goes down the toilet.
In fact, I saw the accumulation in commodities begin In the early 1990s, and around 1995, six and seven, Jimmy Rogers started to talk about it.
And Jimmy has a lot more visibility than I do.
He used to be George Soros' partner, for those of you who don't know.
And Jimmy recommended commodities in 1999, and he's done handsomely with it.
But the ones who are accumulating the commodities in '92, '3, '4, '5 and onward were the royal families of Europe, particularly the British royal family.
Well Bob, I want to hear what you think they're going to do, but on Monday, when our markets were closed for Martin Luther King Day, as you know, a $60 billion dollar, a $64 billion dollar, or 40-something billion pound loss in England, and I'm looking at different numbers, $250 bill, $300 bill lost in these markets to this junk just in the last four days.
So, I mean, why then is our Fed and the other central banks dumping over 70, I mean 700 billion over the markets and you're saying, I mean, what's that going to do?
Well, first of all, the figure is probably close to about 1.2 trillion that the European Central Bank, the Bank of England and the Fed Reserve have poured in to the banking communities And they're rolling that money.
Yes, the interest is being paid, but they're rolling it.
And that's what's keeping these institutions in business.
And you know, they're having auctions every other week for $30 billion.
And they create it out of thin air.
So that's $60 billion a month, you know.
Ten months, you get another $600 billion.
And they won't tell you who they're giving the money to.
It's a big secret.
And their excuse is someone's going to make a run on some bank if they find out that they're borrowing it.
We know who's borrowing the money.
You know, it's just like Kramer said, it's more secret than the CIA.
Well, I used to work in counterintelligence, and he's probably right.
But the final numbers, we're looking at probably within the ownership structure in America of homes, I think we're going to come in around $1 to $1.2 trillion in losses.
Well, Bob, that's my next question, because, you know, this paper sold, these bundled mortgages, the bundled credit cards, all of that is then leveraged and loaned out in the fractional reserve system over and over again.
Big banks set up subsidiaries to get around the ten times rule.
We get into the hundreds of trillions and so these waves just go into other sectors.
I mean, what's the time frame until this completely unravels?
Hard to say, but it's at least two to three years.
And the reason why is ABS really hasn't been attacked yet.
It's asset-backed securities.
Those are the loans that were securitized that are loans for vehicles, motorcycles.
Incidentally, we shorted Harley Davidson way up there, and people are making a pile of money on it.
And pools, and mobile homes, and all those kinds of loans There normally are relatively good loans, but we're not in a relatively good economic time and it's going to get worse.
I want to hear about Pick and Pay on the other side.
See, if we had a booming economy, we probably couldn't grow our way out of this.
But instead, we've got a contracting one.
We'll get Bob's take on the other side.
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Bob's going to be with us for a little bit of the next hour, then I'm going to get into your calls, a ton of other global and financial news, as well as political news.
Bob, in layman's terms, who stands to gain from this?
Why are the elites doing this?
And how do you see this unfolding, either on the good side or the bad side?
Well, a capitalization is everything was put into motion with the situation in the Middle East geopolitically for oil to continue to keep the dollar being traded as the denomination for oil and one of the excuses that the US used to go into Iraq was that
Iraq was trading oil and Euros and other currencies.
But there's that aspect of it, and that went completely awry.
It's a disaster for the planners, the Illuminati.
At the same time, in early 2002, they passed the point of no return.
They had set a time plan whereby they would be able to start moving In 2009, 10, and 11 into a recession depression in the United States.
And what happened was after they set everything in motion everything went upside down for them and they tried to stop this economic and financial motion into recession and depression and were unable to do so.
And then came the exposure of the A misrated CDO problem and the absence of a market for them and so all of these things came to a confluence and the powers behind a government didn't want that to happen because they weren't ready for it.
Now they're scrambling to try to keep the system afloat and the system unfortunately in Europe is almost as bad as it is here.
And so, Europe has been very badly affected, which wasn't expected, but nobody expected the CDO securitization to fall to pieces, which is essentially what's happened.
Oh, that was the ABS, the anti-theft securities, which we talked about before.
And then we talked about the pick and pay, which is a different type of adjustable rate mortgage where you have choices as to what kind of payment you're going to make.
Well, starting now actually, but in a big way in about a year and a half to two years, those pick and pays are going to start coming due.
And the price of houses have gone down and all they've been doing is paying interest and probably nothing on the back of the loan and a home they bought for a million dollars might be worth $850,000 and they're going to have to write a new loan so that means they're going to have to come up with money to be able to make a new loan and they can't do that and there's a tremendous amount of those loans out.
In my next publication I have like Downey Savings and Loan and some of the others and And how they're going to get stuck with these things.
So, this thing is going to go on a long way in time.
And sure, something could happen in the meantime that could, like a Continental Bank disaster, and everything could go down the chute.
But in the absence of that, and we can't plan for that.
A little bit into the next segment, then we're going to open the prongs up.
Third hour, getting into another in-depth analysis of education, how it was designed the last hundred years to dumb our people down.
This is absolutely key.
It's not just education in public schools or college, it's the re-education in the corporate world, it's the whole structure of their propaganda.
Bob Chapman, I agree with your analysis, and again, even the Financial Times of London, which I found to be the real paper of record, admits a lot of this, just puts their spin on it, that the elite are about four or five years behind.
They wanted to have their police state firmly in place.
They wanted to have the Middle East tied down so they could force an evaluation of the dollar, but still force the world to accept it as the world reserve currency.
Now that's unraveling.
China and Russia are going sideways.
The American people have an 11% approval rating for Congress.
Both parties are now in the doghouse.
A major realignment is happening.
If I look at this, the only thing that looks like might save them, but then that will even backfire bigger, but their own Republican memos say it, Democratic strategists, barring finding bin Laden or another big terror attack, they're not going to be able to rally people around to accept politically what's going they're not going to be able to rally people around to accept I see a massive terror attack in the next few months, next year.
If they're unable to blame this on somebody or stave it off or slow it down to a crawl, what do you see happening?
Now, am I right in saying, in your educated opinion, Bob Chapman, that the longer this goes with them staying the course, the worse the collapse is going to be?
Absolutely, because what's going to happen, they're going to go to Weimarism.
And I write about it for the next issue I was writing about this morning.
And the Weimar Republic was the result of the defeat of Germany in the First World War.
And the reparations, which means the Germans had to pay the other countries in Europe because they caused damage to them, those reparations were so insane that Germany couldn't pay them, and they just kept on printing money.
And in that process, in this Weimar government, they had this tremendous inflation.
And we're going to have the same thing, and maybe even worse, if these people in the Fed are given another two or three years To continue pumping out money and credit to keep this system going.
Now, studying inflationary spikes and bubbles in history, can you in a nutshell explain that it gets worse and worse exponentially right at the end, and then on a scale of 1 to 100, the real balloon starting at about 70, where are we on that gauge?
And you know, this is what brought Mussolini and Hitler to power.
There was a very interesting book written on the subject called Hitler at Versailles by General Leon de Graal, who was there as a journalist and an attorney, and who laid it all out as to how it happened and why it happened.
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Then when his son was going to Sam Houston University for law enforcement, basically teaching him that they're part of a global system, And we got Charlotte Iserby joining us in the next hour to go over all of that because some guy on YouTube, and this is the type of attacks we get, just says we're making all this up.
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In fact, I've been in there during the breaks looking at it all, so continue please.
And Aaron's got a big stack of emails coming in with footnotes and documents and links.
So we're going to put a whole story together just for this guy in the next few days and then say, okay, you said we made it up.
Here it is, Bubba.
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You know, Bob Chapman, I don't want to be right.
I'm not happy about what's happening.
We study this stuff literally 18 hours a day.
We are type A personalities.
We've done the research.
We know what we're talking about on the economy, on the social workers, on how they took over education, on who the globalists are.
They have their own textbooks, their own documents.
What is it like for you when you talk to people who just won't even check into what we're saying and just call us conspiracy theorists?
So a long time ago, I said that to myself, that if I can rescue one out of a hundred, I'm doing a good job.
Because it's so alien, and people have been so brainwashed, and that is a true word for them, they've been propagandized, and they don't know, because they just don't understand, because they've had no exposure to the things that you and I, and others like us, have seeked out over the period of time.
And, you know, it's a long process, and what's going to jerk them into reality, A lot of people are starting to listen, though.
I mean, ten years ago, 80% of people disagreed with us.
Five years ago, half the public agreed.
say, look, this is exactly how it happened, and this is what the solution is.
It's painful, but we have to do that, but we're not going to make those same mistakes again.
I mean, 10 years ago, 80% of people disagreed with us.
Five years ago, half the public agreed.
Now it's a minority that totally disagrees with us, and the others are starting to at least ask questions.
I see a tough road ahead for the New World Order architects, for the engineers, and I think that's why they're racing to try to put this whole surveillance, suppression, oppression apparatus in place.
Well, I think you're certainly right about that, and that's why, and you've known this for a long time, I'm not in the United States.
But I think the institutions within the structure, which you brought up before, and I showed the dichotomous nature, Between the European Illuminati and the U.S.
This morning, Forbes came out with an article that says U.S.
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Now, would you have thought you'd see something like that just two or three years ago?
Yeah, I really think, as much as I want to like Cramer, he's an insider, and I've seen him do a lot of bad stuff in the past, I think he sees the writing on the wall as one of the first big rats to jump ship.
No, he's... I mean, you're a top market guy yourself, very successful, biggest newsletter ever, and, you know, one of the biggest stockbrokers out there, and one of the biggest gold brokers out there.
What do you... what's your assessment of Jim Cramer?
We were talking about Hitler coming to power out of what developed in Versailles at the close of World War II there at that little railway station.
And to talk about the wicked foresight of Lord Milner, I was just rereading last night over official congressional reports about the funding of the Bolsheviks out of New York and London, and how Lord Milner, for the Queen of England, gave even more than Warburg did in gold to send 250 people out of Brooklyn on that train full of gold and machine guns in to take over Petrograd first.
Well, they were, and of course then Max Warburg, his brother, was running the finances in Germany.
Again, we're supposedly fighting with Germany, but they're at the end of World War II, World War I, already backstabbing the Czars, the first cousins of the Saxe-Coburg Gothas.
They're in England, the royal family.
Again, these aren't any one country.
They engineer these mass Collapses to then pick up the pieces and I see them doing that now in a way almost blaming the Federal Reserve when they're just a appendage of the same creature.
And what you have to figure out is what direction they're going to go in.
And now that we're getting close to or we are figuring out what they're doing, which we weren't able to do before, let's say over 50 years ago, And we've got the internet, and now we're able to inform all of these people out there throughout the world, mind you, of what's going on because of the knowledge like you just talked about, the research that you do and I do and others like us.
It's opening people's eyes, and it's so, so important.
Well, the cold-blooded calculation, this is published, this is mainstream, of Lord Milner in the 20s, saying Germany's going to implode, then we're going to put a strong man in, who we will then set up, he won't even really work for us, we'll just finance him, but psychologically we'll assess a nutcase, to then destroy everything, then we'll come in and pick up the pieces, but first we've already brought down Russia.
I mean, these guys are geniuses.
The people running this really are just literally burning with wicked intellect.
I think you're right, and I think that hopefully we'll survive and be able to bring the message so they won't come out the other end whole, even if they survive.
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How many people, you were in counterintelligence, and a lot of other folks who fight the New World Order, who were patriots for this country, I mean, the thinkers left in government, a lot of them I've talked to, they know exactly what's going on, they're just as angry as we are, but they're within a system where they can't do much.
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I've been thinking a lot about the monetary system and it's come to my mind that it's pretty much an exploitable framework and that if we return to that framework Don't you think it will just lead us down the same path that we're on now?
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of industry or technology or thought, and we probably never will reach some ultimate singularity, only God, you know, a philosopher would say has that.
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To say that you're going to get the raw materials, to say that you're going to be able to have the space to build it without ownership, you talk about not having money, not having ownership, the space to even build it, the space to be able to trade, to get the pieces you need because you build it because you want to build it.
I mean, that's not... I mean, basic matter and the basic mathematical equations of matter and energy negates what you're saying.
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Look, look, look, sir, I, I, I, look, I see where you're going with this, and it's not in, it's not based in reality, and I'm not trying to be mean to you.
People all the time call me up, they email me, they write me, and they say, why doesn't Alex Jones give his videos for free?
And up until the YouTube age, with no production, uh, no nothing, just an internet connection for ten bucks a month or whatever you're paying, twenty bucks, fifty bucks, depending on the connection, right?
You can sit there and do videos for free with no real production quality.
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If you wanted to do it professionally, you'd probably need some money to live and buy food and heat your home, cool your home, pay for transportation, medical care.
But me, expensive $5,000, $10,000 cameras, $7,000 computers, power, paying a couple of employees, having enough money to once or twice a year go to the Texas beach and take off a few days and stay in a mid-grade hotel room.
But...
People actually say, just give us your videos.
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There would have had to be capital and assets at the beginning of that that came from somewhere to give it to you, and as soon as that capital was exhausted, I could no longer have the money to mail it to you, or to mass produce it, or to pay someone to stick it in the package, or to pay for the package itself.
Nevertheless, people email me, they write me, and they say, we want it all for free.
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The big tax-free foundations that got their wealth through theft, that have the government pay them corporate welfare, they do, quote, do things for free, but that is to institute a climate that on the downside, or upside, however you see it, then telegraphs and conduits wealth into their hands.
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So, that's why communism and socialism doesn't work.
We're not fire ants.
We're not honey bees.
We're not communal army ants.
We don't operate off of pheromones, you know, completely.
Genetically designed in a hive system.
I'm really getting off into sociology now, Aaron.
Getting into animal interaction, animal psychology.
It's hard to believe that he was even serious, but he sounded like a well-meaning person.
He sounded stoned out of his gourd.
I know, though.
I'm not trying to be mean to you, sir, but I bet money you've been smoking weed today.
There are different strata to this elite, but the dominant group precipitated the beginning of the down cycle or the implosion of the weakest link, the subprime housing market boom.
We've been saying that for three years.
They precipitated that To then consolidate smaller institutions of lending and to further flesh that out.
Yes, sir.
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So they're going for all the land?
Like whenever one mortgages, they foreclose on the houses and then they basically come up with all the land in the end?
But you have to understand, and I appreciate your call, the IMF and the World Bank and others, and UN official documents going back 12 years ago, stated they had to give us a false choice of a left-right global hegemon.
They need a bipolar dichotomy or a dialectic to give you false choices.
So they own stock in, have control in the eastern system, And Europe is kind of the tip of the pyramid, playing the two false bipolars of East and West off against each other, while the European oligarchy system has controlling positions in both of the two false bipolar systems.
Okay?
This is stated in their economic theorem.
It's like earlier I talked about how you had Max Warburg overrunning the German banking system, During World War I, into the 20s, and then you had his brother, the other Warburg, over here, running the Federal Reserve, and then financing the Bolsheviks, during and at the end of World War I, to go attack the Soviets, excuse me, the Czarists, to bring in the Communists, the Bolsheviks.
At the very same time, they were the U.S.
and Britain and France's allies against Germany.
You see how that works?
That's why they're in control.
They're masters of that, of three-dimensional, multi-level chess.
Alright, I'm going to get to everybody, Seth and Bill and folks in Oregon that are calling, but I want to set this up properly.
We've got Charlotte Isserby coming on, number two, Department of Education, Head of Policy, Department of Education under Reagan.
Her dad was Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove, Eastern Establishment.
She's quite accomplished herself.
Uh, in the Foreign Service and then coming back here in the U.S.
She went there and was at the highest levels and found out there was a plan to dumb everybody down, to break up the family.
She's got quotes coming up to go over this because, uh, a ne'er-do-well, uh, on, uh, YouTube, a little trendy know-it-all, the guy says he's 33 and he looks like a little girl.
I mean, just totally, and I'm not trying to say people that don't look old when they're 33 are weak, but I mean, he just looks like a child.
up there with his little beard trying to look like a big man, you know, with his costume, festooning his cheeks, saying, I believe in space aliens and Bush is space aliens, and totally made up.
And then he goes into saying, I never back up with any quotes or books or documents.
I just saw this last night.
And so we're going to put an article together on Jones Report the next few days with dozens of these quotes and documents.
And we're going to disprove this guy.
But I got Bob on the phone.
He dug out one of the books.
There's another textbook his son had.
His son is now a police officer and off.
This was five years ago.
I'm going from memory here, but Bob does have the actual quotes and footnotes.
Okay, this is in a book called None Dare Call It Education by John Stormer.
It's out there.
It's readily available.
And in the book he quotes a meeting, and this has to do with UNESCO, the United Nations Educational Scientific and Cultural Organization, which is trying to dumb down the students of the United States of America.
And it's talking about a meeting that was held in Denver in 1973 called the Childhood International Education Seminar.
And at that seminar in 1973, a Chester M. Pierce, M.D., who was a professor of education and psychiatry at Harvard University, told educators at the meeting, quote, now here it is, ladies and gentlemen, this is a quote, Chester M. Pierce, M.D.
Every child in America entering school at the age of five is mentally ill because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our founding fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity.
It's up to you as teachers to make all these sick children well by creating the international child of the future.
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All right, Dad.
Let me get this straight.
I'm sure all of this takes place in the future, right?
Like Star Wars?
Yeah, that's right.
Slightly in the future.
Wait a second.
I thought Star Wars took place a long, long time ago.
All right, Einstein.
But it is kind of like Star Wars anyway.
Just like Star Wars, there's an evil empire and some people have started an armed rebellion to fight the evil empire.
Okay, so don't tell me.
They're going to the bad guys again?
Yep, that's right.
Oh, so your character's like Luke Skywalker?
Not exactly.
I know, you're Chewbacca!
Not really, but my character does help the rebellion to stop the government's evil tracking system, which is happening now in the real world, just like in Uncivil Liberties.
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Yeah, this guy on YouTube that was attacking me, He shows us who he really is because first he says I believe that space aliens run things and George Bush is a space alien.
Never said that.
Never.
I don't talk about UFOs on this show.
I talk about documents, bills, legislation.
And then he goes on to say, well, of course we need police and social workers watching over the kids looking for pre-crime.
You know, again, guilty until proven innocent.
A surveillance grid.
He doesn't even see these spies everywhere.
And here in Austin, it's in Road to Tyrney, they hand out little credit cards of 200 bucks per family member they turn in.
It's on local news.
They run TV ads saying, kids, turn your parents in.
What's in their medicine cabinet?
He thinks all this, this is not normal, but that shows how they've grown up in it, and they're the good, you can tell on this little power trip, they're the social workers.
They're going to decide.
They're going to, you go get a degree, and you get to run everybody's life, and have your way with people.
I've been there when the social workers are taking newborn babies from poor families with no criminal record, just because they're too ignorant, and poor, and on welfare, because the baby's blonde-haired, blue-eyed, and they can get 300 grand for it.
I've been there, and I've cried my guts out.
I've opened the door and seen the cops choking a woman into signing the baby over.
I've seen hell.
And I've seen them get on TV and say it's the law, you gotta take shots through the health department.
When there's no law, you gotta take vaccines.
And these punks will get up there and say there is a law.
I think what the book my son had as part of his requirements of learning how to be a cop down at Sam Houston.
This book was teaching the cop, was dumbing down the cops, Alex.
What they were doing is they were teaching future cops of America that our criminal justice system needs to be gotten rid of and we need to look at other countries like China and what not to figure out how to do things.
This book was to dumb down the cops and attack the American jury system.
Yeah, I basically, this is a compendium of writings of these pseudo-intellectuals in the field of criminal justice and under a topic called criticism of the Anglo-American trial jury.
They quote a fellow by the name of, an extreme critic of it, called Jerome Frank, who labeled the jury as the worst possible enemy of the ideal of supremacy of law.
And so there is ample evidence that respected legal analysts and researchers have grave doubts about the Anglo-American trial jury.
And one of the things that they really criticize them on is this.
Jurors deliberately do not apply the law as instructed and that they instead choose to ignore the existing law in order to reach a desired decision in the case.
In other words, they are attacking jury nullification, which of course is one of the foundations of our country.
So because of jury nullification and other things, they want to get rid of it.
And they say, you know, you can't You can't responsibly get rid of the jury unless, of course, you study other methods of trial which could achieve the same basic results.
And then this book goes into a whole bunch of, they study the jurisprudent systems of communist China and places like that as alternatives to what we have today.
And I remember you brought photos on the show of big cases when you go in the big law enforcement center, and it's all Chinese badges and how good it is.
What that was was in the lobby of the George Beto Criminal Justice Building at Sam Houston State University, which is, of course, a premier law enforcement university in the United States.
Yeah, he's not like up here in Austin where you can't even defend yourself or your police chief will get you fired.
You know, things like that.
But the medals he was talking about, and he took photographs of, that I had seen, were Communist Chinese police medals and Soviet Union police medals on display in the lobby of the... And it says, this is good.
Alright, if you go to the PrisonPlanet.com forum, and go halfway down, it says... Well, there's a link there.
Let me go back to the actual link.
At the top of it, it says if you find... When you find Social Work 101 Family as a Disease System posted here, this has only been going about an hour and a half, and I've read over a bunch of quotes and things that I hadn't seen that back up what we're saying, but I did find one that I do remember reading, Because listeners mail me these books, and there are a lot of professors and scholars and researchers that listen to the show, and it says, Sociology, A Brief Introduction.
And by the way, just during the break, I googled this and found the opening introduction online, because Amazon does that, and didn't need to find it, because I'm not just going to read this unless I can go prove it myself.
But this is, and I've seen this before, now this is on page 285, discusses the approach, the family of conflict theorists.
Conflict theorists also view the family as an economic unit that contributes to social injustice.
The family is the basis for transferring power, property, and privilege from one generation to the next.
Conflict theorists argue that the family helps to maintain inequity.
So see, there, the family is bad.
This is over and over again.
Now, we haven't found the one textbook, because it's five, six years ago.
And maybe it was the same night I covered things with Bob.
A lot of these are already on the web.
Maybe you can find it, listeners.
It's the same night I covered it with Bob.
Might have been right around the same time.
And maybe that's why my memory says it was from Bob.
It came from, really, it's all, you know, if somebody wants to really know what the hell it's all about, it's UNESCO, and they had a 1947 book called Towards World Understanding.
You know, and in that book, on page 58, they say, quote, as we have pointed out, it is frequently the family that infects the child with extreme nationalism.
The school should therefore use the means described earlier to combat family attitude.
That's all coming from, you know, UNESCO, UN stuff.
Okay, this is the quote from Chester M. Pierce, 1973.
A professor of education at Harvard in 1973 at a Denver education conference, quote, Every child in America entering school at the age of five is mentally ill because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our founding fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity.
It's up to you as teachers to make all these sick children well by creating the international child of the future.
Alright, the last hour we gave footnoted quotes about how the family is a sickness, the children are mentally ill, they have a disease, basically.
I have now tracked down who this particular Calhoun sociologist was, talking about the family being a disease.
We're vetting all that out.
The mountains of quotes and evidence.
But I thought I would... This is what my classic detractors are like.
This is off YouTube.
This is the standard thing.
He implies, I'm not going to play the whole piece, he implies that he is going to school, he hasn't read any of the books when he's in school, so he's obviously taking that career path.
He says that I never footnote or never give where something comes from, I do over and over again.
Again, I'll say, four years ago MSNBC, Mexican Attorney General takes microchip, makes employees take it.
And then years later I'll say the Mexican Attorney General made his employees take it.
You can just say, oh that's a lie, he didn't give us a place to find it.
Use Google, man!
Go read it!
If I talk about civilian inmate labor camp programs and secret camp program from 86 to 96, which they declassified in 96.
It's in army.mil.
Just type civilian inmate labor camp program in.
Find out about how they secretly have federal and state prisoners on these.
I mean, I got Senate hearings talking about the secret camp program.
It's now mainstream news.
Decade after I talked about it.
Look, we don't make anything up.
But it's the classic attack saying we don't tell the truth or we're full of it.
So I thought I'd play a few minutes of this and then refute it with Charlotte Isnerby, head of policy, Department of Education under Ronald Reagan.
Herself, quite esteemed degrees and background in civil service internationally.
And then, of course, her father, Skull and Bones Bohemian Grove as well.
So, you know, pretty high-powered family.
From inside the intelligentsia, blowing the whistle from the inside out, we'll be talking to this dear, wonderful lady who wrote the bombshell definitive work, Deliberate Dumbing Down, in just one moment.
But first, here is the creature on YouTube, standard attack pattern, just putting out pure bull.
unidentified
Hello there, YouTube.
This is Hisinus, and I'm doing a video response to the Alex Jones Family and Socialism thing.
First off, I want to say that Alex Jones is nuts.
This is the same guy who does Prison Planet, and we all know it for gems like Aliens are Invading, you know, Bush is an alien, just weird, off-the-wall crap like that.
This video is a perfect example of what this guy is all about.
Absolutely perfect, and I've spelled it out for you.
First of all, why are police and social workers in a children's classroom bad?
I don't think they mean, like, right in the classroom, but working with teachers, I don't know why that would be a bad thing.
I mean, you know, schools are in and of themselves Okay, hit pause.
So he impeaches me with saying I believe Bush is an alien and aliens are invading.
It's acknowledged that modern education, kindergarten, the structure of rote, the five to six class periods, the specialization, the regurgitation and repeating, that's the Prussian model.
The prison system is based predominantly on the Panopticon French model that rose in the last 250 years.
I mean, I actually read the textbooks on this.
You didn't, little boy, or you didn't remember it.
Back to it.
unidentified
And that was Germany.
He's trying to link the idea of social work to Prussia, which he then makes to Germany.
Prussia is not Germany.
Prussia became Germany, but Prussia and Germany are not two All right, stop right there.
My book's been out for Since 1999, and I believe I've had, to be perfectly honest, two calls in when I've done interviews, and I've been doing them since then, radio.
Two calls where I was absolutely attacked, and it was by a couple of educators, you know, principals and superintendents.
Yeah, but all the other calls, I want to make it very clear that you are correct on whatever you've been saying there.
I've had a lot of calls from educators, public school educators, superintendents, sometimes even commissioners of education, and they're all totally supportive.
Of getting the facts out.
Some of them didn't even know them themselves.
And there are these absolutely wild quotes.
I mean, I put together some for you today, but I guess you don't need them.
You can just... I mean, I always think of it, if I only have, you know, one second or thirty seconds, the most important quote, because it comes from It's Benjamin Bloom, Professor Bloom's behavioral psychologist, who really is behind the whole dog training method that is necessary for workforce training.
He died a few years ago, but he admits it.
He says, the purpose of education in the schools is to change the thoughts, feelings, and actions of students.
Folks, from what?
From what the parent is trying to instill?
From what the church is trying to instill?
That's the definition right there, the purpose.
Then he goes on to say, a large part of what we call good teaching is the teacher's ability to attain effective objectives through, that means attitudes, values, and beliefs change, through challenging the student's fixed beliefs And getting them to discuss issues.
Now, there it is!
And then you have the 1945 Treaty, UNESCO.
Kindergarten or infant school can correct many of the errors of home training and prepare for membership in the world society.
It is in the family that children are infected with nationalism.
And you have Dr. Chester Pierce in the 70s, Harvard.
Every child in America who enters school at the age of five is mentally ill, because he comes to school with an allegiance toward our elected officials, toward our founding fathers, toward our institutions, toward the preservation of this form of government that we have.
Patriotism, nationalism and sovereignty, all that proves that children are sick, because a truly well individual is one who is rejected, All of those things and it's truly the international child of the future.
Then you have major change agent, I consider him number one in the world, John Goodlatte, schooling for a global age.
Parents and the general public must be reached also.
Otherwise children and youth enrolled in globally oriented programs may find themselves in conflict with values assumed in the home.
And then the education institution frequently, not often enough I might say, comes under scrutiny and must pull back.
And then he says, that was in 1981, actually I leaked that document that was in there.
That's why I got fired.
1968, he says, an article in Learning and Teaching in the NEA Journal, His top educator folks, behavioral psychologists, behaviorists, right?
He says, quote, the most controversial issues of the 21st century will pertain to the ends and means of modifying human behavior and who shall determine them.
The first educational question will not be what knowledge is of the most worth.
But what kind of human beings do we want to produce?
The possibilities virtually defy our imagination.
Then you have Ashley Montague, aging juvenile who regales teachers and other school people at conferences way back in the 70s.
Summed it up when he said, every child in America comes to school insane at the age of six because of the American family structure.
And then Dr. Reginald Lurie, President of the Joint Commission Comprehensive Child Development Act, 1971.
And after the break, I really would like to read what he said.
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All right, short segment now, long segment coming up.
Tell folks just a little bit about yourself who don't know who you are, what you discovered inside this, and then just continue with the quotes by the heads of academia, the heads of the, quote, education science in the last hundred years for social workers and people being trained to be social workers who, you know, go up on YouTube and say, I'm making all this up.
There's such an extensive paper trail, it's disgusting.
I mean, they seem to be pretty bright guys in some ways.
They're sick.
They're satanic, really.
They're evil people who would do this to our children.
But they have admitted, they truly have admitted what they're doing and so much of that is in my book and it's also, a great deal of it is on another website I have, too.
I'll give both websites.
DeliberateDumbingDown.com is the website for my book, The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, the 700-pager.
The book is also It's a free download if you want, but buying it is easier for people to read it.
The website is delivereddumbingdown.com.
That is a chronological paper trail over the past 200 years of what they've done.
These are documents.
Now, the secondary website is marvelous.
It's called americandeception.com, and those are original primary research scanned in documents and books, very, very rare books and documents.
The most important item on that, if you call it an item, but it is the Reese Committee hearings.
Norman Dodd was the research director for those committee hearings in 1953 on the tax-exempt foundations.
And I bought Uh, the 3,000 pages of the hearings.
It was the only copy left in the country.
The foundations had bought up all the copies after the hearings were abruptly terminated for obvious reasons.
I'm sure your listeners understand why.
Because it's the history of the treason.
It was against America by the Tax Exempt Foundations.
Testimony, total proof.
So that website's great.
There are 90,000 pages of marvelous research there, education documents, everything.
But the major reason for that website was when I purchased the congressional, the testimony, during the Reese Cox Committee hearings of the investigation of the Tax Exempt Foundations.
That's at AmericanDeception.com.
A lot of that website is free, most of it.
Some of the new items are donor only.
But the Reese Committee hearings are free.
And if you had any idea what I paid for them, I'm sure you would go rushing in there to grab it immediately for fear something would happen with the Internet.
But they're extraordinary, extraordinary documents in that... at americandeception.com.
Now, going back, I'm going to, in brief, just tell you that when I got out of the Foreign Service in 1960... in 19...
I was in the Foreign Service and with the American Red Cross for over a period of 15 years or something.
And then I got married in Belgium, came back to the United States, became a school board member, went up against the change agents.
I love it the way everybody's using the word change agent now.
I might point out that I went through change agent training because a master teacher called me and she said, Charlotte, you're right on in your battle on the school board against your change agent superintendent, and I want you to go for training, and she paid for me to go, and it was at that training where I really got on my white horse, folks, and I've been on that white horse ever since, and I will never get off the horse as dirty as can be, but I will never get off because of what I was taught to do.
Now, listen.
I was taught, and we were all taught, And this was Ronald Havelock's Change Agents Guide.
How to bring about change in your community and schools.
And we were taught how to identify the resistors in our community.
And also how to identify the important groups in the community, like the Chamber of Commerce, the Rotary Club, the Garden Club, etc.
Nice people who really think they're doing such good work, and they've been taken by the change agents to get them on board to support sex ed, drug ed,
Critical Thinking Ed, Deaf Ed, whatever, all the things that have Ed hanging off the end of it, which are geared not towards helping your child be a good citizen with good morals and values and be an individual in this world, but are geared towards brainwashing them to be exactly the opposite, to be little, little, utter chaotic freaks.
Let's come back and encapsulate that, and then get into more quotes, what their plan is, how they've done everybody down, where they're going.
We're going to footnote again those quotes, we'll go through some more of them, for the individuals out there who just want to say that we're talking about space aliens.
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I do have the book free on my website, and that's fine, but I've found that People, I thought when I did that, that I'd lose sales on the book, the real book, and in fact it increased sales, because people get tired of looking at the white screen, and so Alex, you shouldn't have any problem, you know, with the book.
Well, there's something tactile about it, and you know, my stuff hauls free as well, about being able to hold it, see it, share it, carry it with you, yes, yes.
So anyway, you know, we were talking about how The effort is not just to get the kids' minds, but it's the parents' as well.
This is an outcomes-based ed quote, because people might say, oh, she's talking about all those old quotes way back there, with U.N.
and Brock Chisholm talking about the, you know, the psychiatrist General Chisholm, good friend of Alger here, saying, we've got to get rid of the conscience.
We're going to retrain the teachers like little psychiatrists.
They can go into the classroom.
And people say, oh, I'm sick and tired of hearing all those 1945 quotes, right?
Well, they're important quotes, folks.
You see, the reason they shut up a bit lately is because they realized that we had their number.
We have all those old quotes.
But a recent quote is good, because this was in 1981, I believe.
It comes out of 1971.
No, 1981.
This is from one of the leaders in outcomes-based education, which we've been fighting across the country for ages, based on Skinner.
Absolutely Pavlov's slobbering dog stimulus response.
You know, I said Skinner, I could make a pigeon a high achiever.
By reinforcing our proper schedule, and that's what they have to have that in.
It's in now completely across the country because they need it for school to work.
But this is a quote from John Champlin, terribly high up with William Spady and the whole crowd, American Association of School Administrators.
This community, this is a program of theirs for outcomes-based education, direct instruction.
This community effort should be designed both to re-educate and to re-norm parents and the general public.
Think of re-norming the community the same way you conduct similar efforts in the school environment.
Don't challenge the community.
Co-op them.
Okay?
I love that.
That's a nice quote, because people get bored hearing the ones about the teachers.
And that's really a very good quote.
Now, I'm going to read another one, which actually is proof positive.
When you have people saying, oh, you're wrong, deaf ed, sex ed, critical thinking ed, you name it, whatever, those things, the education that has Has education hanging off the end of it?
Oh, they're for the good of the child, and the families should be really happy the schools are involved in that.
Well, I got ahold, this is in deliberate dumbing down of America, I happened to be lucky enough to get ahold of the journal called the School Counselor.
Special issue on death.
May 1977.
And it came that the American Personnel and Guidance Associates, you know those Nice guidance counselors that your children have access to.
Quote, listen to this, the last goal is to help students, this is on deaf education, is to help students clarify their values on social and ethical issues.
An underlying but seldom spoken assumption of much of the death education movement is that Americans handle death and dying poorly, and that we ought to be doing better at it.
Well, they're probably talking about the fact that we believe in God, right?
And that's where we deal with it very poorly.
As in the case of many other problems, many Americans believe that education can initiate change.
You're not kidding, can it?
Now, here we go.
This is a direct quote, and think in terms of what this says.
This actually says that they will be using death ed, the same way they use sex ed, to change our children's attitudes and values, so that children accept any sexual behavior, anything now.
You know that's true.
Now look, they said it.
Change is evidence.
Death education will play as important a part in changing attitudes towards death.
But anyway, it says, change is evident and death education will play as important a part in changing attitudes toward death as sex education played in changing attitudes toward sex information and wider acceptance of various sexual practices.
Now look, if that doesn't tell you that they have deliberately, that's why I love the word deliberate in the title of my book, They have deliberately gone after your children's morals and values and your family.
If you actually read the eugenicists who started the social working in England, then in Germany, then in the U.S.
as it migrated, they say that by having people be promiscuous, lots of partners, getting people used to abortions and birth control, it's meant to reduce the size of the family, thus to also attack it and break it down, just like the Soviets did.
Remember, I think the break came when I was doing Dr. Reginald Lurie.
This goes back 1971.
President of the Joint Commission, the Comprehensive Child Development Act.
That passed by both Congress and the Senate in 71.
We have that.
That's why we have all these people coming into our homes, early age, taking kids away from us, etc.
Now, he said, quote, he's President of the Joint Commission.
There is serious thinking among some of the future-oriented child development research people that maybe we can't trust the family alone to prepare young children for this new kind of world which is emerging.
The Soviets have long recognized the shortcomings of the family.
That is one of the reasons they felt they needed to have access to the babies.
During the first 18 months of life, the brain is growing faster than it ever will again.
It is then also more plastic and most available for appropriate experience and corrective.
And that's why they openly say in Europe and here that they want to get people on welfare so they get the children and now they're offering even middle-class people, oh let us take care of your baby, let us pay the kids to stay late till eight o'clock at night.
Department of Education, I was there for not terribly long, two years, not quite And that Department of Education is a Marxist factory.
And thank God for Ron Paul.
He's the only one that constantly is talking about bringing it down.
If that was all he recommended, folks, he should be president for that!
Because the future of our country depends on how our children have been educated as little individuals for upward mobility, having an understanding of the world, not trained like rats!
Now, Charlotte, I like to go back to the start because I've read all these quotes and you're the grand expert on this.
But I remember reading the National Association of Banks in right around 1900.
I'm going from memory.
I remember reading the National Association of Psychologists, Psychiatrists in the 40s, where they said Americans are the smartest, they read the best, all the inventions are from here.
We've got to, they've used words like dumb them down, lower their horizons, constrict them, teach them to be cogs in the planned society.
The middle class is going to compete with the social planners.
They're upstarts.
We've got to dumb them down, use chemicals, whatever we have to.
Uh, to control them.
They openly said they were going to do this, just by making education boring and not making sense they do it.
And they took us from the highest test scores way down.
Uh, and I'm going from memory, but on that National Banking Association document about how we gotta take over education and stop them from reading.
I mean, you know, now they can claim it's for all these reasons, and you're four or five generations into cult-like teachers and social workers.
A lot of them are good.
A lot of them don't see the big picture.
Even if they are good, they can't fight back much.
In the system, but we have their own words where they admit this was about taking control of society and dumbing down.
And you know, for those who really want a good document to show to people who say, oh, well, you know, things aren't so bad, the education schools aren't so bad, at American Deception, there's an entry, and it doesn't take much, it's about eight pages, and go in there, folks, and just type into the search engine up there, H-I-G-N-I-T-E.
And you are going to see there a test on the Constitution that is about 12 pages long.
This Kenny Hignite, someone at a conference in California gave this to me, gave me the actual test with Kenny Hignite's handwriting on it.
He got 99 on it.
This was in 1953 in Central California Public School.
Go there, read it.
It is the most difficult test.
He had to name all the cabinet officials.
He had to know all the Bill of Rights.
He had to understand the Constitution, the three branches of government.
He had to know, unbelievable, the protections, everything, and he got 99.
Go there and look at it, and you know what you can do with that?
You can cut and paste, and you can send that to anybody you want on a computer and prove to them This was America's public school system as late as 1953.
So it was a deliberate, you know, from 1945 on, he just escaped it, 1945 on, that was the UN, going to the UN, UNESCO, get rid of academics, you know, Brock Chisholm, the teacher becomes the psychiatrist, then we have the agreements with the Soviet Union, Reagan signed, merging the two systems, all of that came after 1945.
But this was 1953 before Hignite had been hit, when there were still very good teachers around.
There still are some who try to do this.
But look at that, because it shows how very deliberate this whole agenda has been to dumb down your children, to strip them of their values, to make them into the little new Soviet man.
Because everything in education has been Sovietized by now.
Exactly.
It goes right along with William Foster's book.
He was chairman of the Communist Party USA in the 30s.
Buried in the Kremlin, and he said, called for a U.S.
Department of Ed., called for getting rid of religion, called for putting in the scientific Pavlovian method, called for all of these things that are being taught in the schools now.
And it's been done.
It's a done deal.
So, all of those, you're wonderful listeners out there who are homeschooling, Or who are in private schools that don't accept a penny of any form of tax money, federal, state, or local.
Those are the people whose children are going to save this country.
And the public schools, I'm sorry to say it, because I'm a great supporter, always have been, of public education, because it was the best system in the world.
But all the money that's gone in, the multi-billions of dollars, trillions of dollars, from 1981 when I was there, the Department of Ed was $12 billion.
Now it's $67 billion.
And that's the centerpiece, the headquarters for distributing all the destructive, anti-Christian, anti-American, anti-common sense programs for retraining teachers, Deliberately ruining your children, making them into robots.
I was on the message board and professors and all these other people were finding all these other horrible quotes saying the family's bad, the family has to be gotten rid of, the family is a sickness, a disease.
And then now it moved off of the PrisonPlanet.com forum.
I can't find it in the sub pages and I can't find it in recent posts.
Can somebody, I know it grew full of quotes and I want to go back and vet those and follow those back for an article we're doing.
Can whoever has that page repost it in a recent post or post it at the top or something.
Charlotte, I know you had other quotes you wanted to read before we hit that break 30 minutes ago.
Do you want to read any more quotes you didn't have time to get to about the family being bad?
Arthur Calhoun's A Social History of the American Family in 1919.
There are three volumes, I believe, and in the third volume he says, quote, the new view is that the higher and more obligatory relation is to society rather than to the family.
The family goes back to the age of savagery.
Well, the state belongs to the age of civilization.
The modern individual is a world citizen, served by the world, and home interest can no longer be supreme.
As soon as the new family, consisting of only the parents and the children, stood forth, society saw how many were unfit for parenthood, and began to realize the need of community care.
And he goes on there, if you want the rest of the quote.
They took that quote, and then in the UT textbook I was looking at, when they were using there, University of Texas at Austin, it then went on to say, it's, the family's a disease.
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Every educator, every person that has children in a government education camp, indoctrination center, Now again, we're four or five generations into this.
The average social worker, the average teacher doesn't even see what's happening around them.
In the founding documents right through the seventies, they were quite honest.
They're still honest.
In higher level documents for master educators, special schools they're sent to, even above the masters and PhD level.
And correct me if I'm wrong on any of this, Charlotte.
So, some social worker listening may not even know this, but it's the attitude, it's the idea, it's the guilty until proven innocent.
It's the whole system of destroying families and making us all cogs in this larger system.
The sodium fluoride in the water to dumb us down, now public.
That's not even Scientific American admits that.
As you said, the people now know this is going on.
They don't know the full horror or the full details.
But even George Carlin gets up and says the corporations, you know, run the system to dumb everybody down, you know, when he talks about education.
They test to see how much they've dumbed you down, then they lower the test bar.
Charlotte, re-intro what year he wrote that, 1919, the name, because Aaron missed that.
That's page 85 in my book and it calls for, it says right here, 1971, it says, recent discoveries from the field of biochemistry suggest that all these drugs will improve learning such as persistence, the application of biochemical research findings, will be a source of controversy when children become the object of such experimentation.
Schools will be conceivably swept in a whole new area of collaboration and research with biochemists and psychologists to improve learning.
This was planned.
The Hawaii Master Plan, a lot of it is in my book, Delivered Dumbing Down.