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In the Encyclopedia Britannica 1999 edition, if you turn to yellow journalism, it details William Randolph Hearst helping organize and stage propaganda for the Spanish-American War, the enactment of the Federal Reserve, and many other globalist imperial programs.
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George Orwell, of course, fashioning the character Winston off of himself in the Ministry of Truth in a fictional nightmare future dystopia, fashioned the Ministry of Truth off of the BBC, where black is white, Up is down, left is right, and we are joined by Guy Smith, producer, director who made the Primetime Sunday program, 9-11 Conspiracies for the BBC.
He'll be with us for the entire hour.
Dylan Avery will be popping in, as well as Paul Joseph Watson from Sheffield, England.
Yeah, Alex, I really appreciate coming on your show, and I admire much of the work you do in talking about subjects that perhaps the mainstream media doesn't want to talk about.
But we didn't set out to do a hit piece, as you call it.
What we did is that we set out to investigate the evidence and to see where it led us.
And if it turned out that some of the conspiracy theories were true, I would have gladly said that in the film.
You know, we're not acting on behalf of any government agency, or, you know, we're not part of some conspiracy.
And just two years ago they made the director of the BBC resign and apologizing for putting out pieces claiming that Blair knew about WMDs and other things.
Yeah, but Alex, you know that you carry a lot more weight than any debunkers, and when you come on air, you have a lot more impact than anybody who's an expert or anything like that.
We're going to be right back on the other side of this break to walk through this.
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I mean, you interviewed me for like three hours at the grass, you know, and you followed us around and we're taping off and on during a five-hour event at night, and the next day you interviewed me, you videotaped the two-hour radio show, then you interviewed me about two hours after.
I talked to you constantly on the phone for weeks before that.
But let's not digress.
There's a lot of points to make here.
My point is, are you denying that you had eleven debunkers and three 9-11 truthers in the film, and are you denying that they had a lot more time than we did?
We interviewed three main conspiracy theorists, you, Dylan Avery and Jim Fetzer.
Your views represent many other people in America, I accept that, and likewise those of Dylan Avery and Jim Fetzer, and they had a good say in the program.
We gave them a lot of attention and a lot of opportunity to voice their views in the program.
And the program then went to investigate the claims that you and the other two guys are making.
And that's what we did in the program.
If it turned out that the trail that we followed led us to a different conclusion, we would have said that.
All I can report is what we found out.
In the end, people must make up their own views as to whether they want to believe us or they don't.
And if they don't, I accept that too.
I'm not trying to force this down anybody's throat.
I'm not trying to force anybody to accept what we're saying.
Why didn't you have, say, Kevin Ryan of Underwriting Laboratories, their own internal report said that 1,800 degree jet fuel couldn't melt steel that doesn't melt, and it was molten.
That's on record.
We have the aerial photographs and the firefighters.
It was molten four weeks later.
How does 1,800 degrees melt steel that non-structural raw steel doesn't start melting till 2,554 degrees structural hardened steel until 3,300?
And those are numbers people can just pull up instantly on any engineering website.
Well, the reality is that we had 59 minutes and frankly we could have spent all day talking about just the Twin Towers.
We covered a lot of ground in the program.
Everything from the hijackers arriving in America before the attacks through to how the government tried to, the CIA and the FBI, tried to cover up their mistakes after the attacks.
So, you know, we only have 59 minutes, just as now we only have this one hour for this program.
There's not everything we can talk about.
So we decided to concentrate on some things more than others.
Now, clearly, one can make a whole hour just discussing the melting point of steel and exactly what happened to the Twin Towers.
But I guess the bottom line with the Twin Towers is, are you saying that they were demolished?
Now, if you were, then one has to look at why that happened and how that happened.
And we looked into that and we came to the conclusion that the evidence just doesn't support that conspiracy theory.
Firstly, I would like to say that I actually counted 13 debunkers compared to so-called conspiracy theorists, so it was an even greater number.
And I would ask Mr. Smith, why, when we've had government officials, scientists, first responders, MI5 agents on this show talking about our side of the evidence.
Did he decide to give ten minutes to a producer of a sci-fi show that went off the air five years ago?
Basically, that it's a modern religion of delusionals.
Now, in the Nova piece, It shows... Paul, you've measured it and timed it.
Give him the exact seconds, and it comes out to about 55 seconds for the towers to fall, but in reality they fell in a little over 10 seconds, so even the NOVA piece is false, Paul.
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Well, that's right.
If you take the conservative estimate and say the towers fell in 14 to 16 seconds, what we've got is Mr. Smith in the documentary near the beginning when he talks about controlled demolition.
He uses a graphic animation from Nova, which is a PBS scientific documentary, which depicts the collapse of the Twin Towers at a rate of 6 floors per second, meaning that the total collapse of each tower would have taken around 66 seconds.
So it's a patently false and misleading graphic to use and my question is, you know, will there be a retraction of this graphic which is blatantly false and misleading and only lends to the bias that was already decided on in dismissing questions about controlled demolition?
I don't know, you're talking about it coming from NOVA.
It was actually made by the BBC, that graphic.
Well, the point is it was used on the NOVA program as well, I don't know.
But the point is, if you're suggesting that the World Trade Center was demolished by explosives, then I would say, where is the cast iron evidence to back that up?
Craig Bartmer, who was in the news, on record, giving citations, on the pile for 5 days, there when 7 collapsed, has reported, and I've got now over 15 firefighters and police coming on in the next week.
We're lining them all up for one show.
Hope you tune in.
It'll be 3 hours of witnesses.
That said, we were told, get back from 7.
They were going to bring it down so it wouldn't damage other buildings.
They were going to blow it up.
We have CNN with two cops going, get back, get back.
7's going to come down.
Get back.
They're bringing it down.
Okay?
We clearly have this over and over again.
In fact, right now, go ahead.
Let's first play the molten steel clip from New York TV.
Here are firefighters talking about molten steel like a foundry like lava.
Okay, so we not only have that, and again, there's over 15 coming on the show, we've already had a bunch of them on.
I've interviewed Bartmer for a video for an upcoming film in New York, he can barely breathe.
Now, he tried to be interviewed by you, and you didn't want to talk to him, and he said that he was there, and they said, get back, they're going to bring the building down.
Now, you just heard clips, I'm asking you, why didn't you want to talk to a police officer?
Well, look, we could spend all day talking about whether there was molten steel or whether it was something else in the basement of the World Trade Center.
But what you have to do is to look at the bottom line theory.
Now, if you're saying those Twin Towers were demolished, I have yet to understand why they were demolished.
And how they were demolished.
All I can say is that the evidence that we have looked at just doesn't stack up.
I mean, is it really plausible that people would have flown two planes into these tin towers and laced them with demolition charges?
The CIA, the FBI, Defense Intelligence, it was a giant intelligence building and it had the command center FEMA claimed they were there the night before, then they tried to retract, and Giuliani, in congressional testimony, admitted they were running Tripod 2, a drill of an attack on the complex, so they'd already moved out the night before to the end of the pier.
But is it really plausible, do you think, that World Trade Center 7 would have been demolished, and five years later, nobody who was involved in planting those demolition charges wouldn't have spoken to their wife or girlfriend or come forward and admitted that they were part nobody who was involved in planting those demolition charges wouldn't have spoken Hold on, let me finish.
Well, I mean, yeah, you talk about the Manhattan Project, and that's a very interesting example, but it's something that's quite different, because here, remember, 3,000 American citizens died, or American and citizens from other countries as well, including Britain.
So, you know, it's like, you seem to think that we're trying to cover something up.
You know, we're not covering anything up.
All we're doing is looking at the evidence in an objective, dispassionate way and trying to test whether it stands up to discrimination.
Guy Smith, no modern steel building, and you can show some two-story thing in England or some two-story thing that's tar-roofed in Chicago, no modern steel building has ever fallen.
Look at the Madrid, 100-foot white-hot flames, almost two days burning, no major steel members collapsed.
It's scientific facts.
This building 7 wasn't hit by a plane, had small fires and symmetrically collapsed.
You should give us evidence.
I just gave you the name of a police officer.
I just played CNN where they're saying, get back, they're going to bring the building down, it's going to blow up.
Now, what more?
I mean, I could go on for hours with these clips and you will not address it.
I'd like to hear how you don't believe it and walk through things with Dylan Avery and Paul Joseph Watson on the other side.
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Guy, I want to let Paul ask you questions.
Dylan Avery asks a question first.
We do appreciate your time.
And in the next segment, it's a long 15-minute segment.
This is just a quick five-minute one.
We'll let you run for a few minutes, and I'll shut up and hear what you have to say.
But I'd like you to answer this question, because we've answered yours.
I kept begging you, please let me cover Operation Northwoods, the official U.S. Constitutional government plan to carry out 9-11 style attacks to blame it on a foreign enemy.
I said Gulf of Tonkin was staged, now declassified, Operation Ajax in Iran.
That's so important that there is a past M.O.
You know, the people who try to debunk us always say, why would they do it?
What would they gain?
Trillions in oil, billions in opium, control, military contracts, domestic police state, just like Hitler burned his own Reichstag.
You told me no, Northwoods isn't going in here, it doesn't fit into it, it doesn't matter.
Now tell me why, if you made a film about the 9-11 Truth Movement, why you wouldn't cover the central issues of the history of government-sponsored terror and the history of plans to carry out terror against the American people.
Operation Northwood is fascinating, and from a historical point of view, it's a very interesting story.
But I have yet to see any evidence that links Operation Northwood to what happened on 9-11.
There's no doubt that the American government and other governments, no doubt the British government as well, has been involved in all sorts of operations in the past.
False flag operations, as you call it.
But I have no doubt.
I mean, as you mentioned, the Gulf of Tonkin is a very interesting example.
But I have no evidence, and I have yet to see any convincing theories that show that what happened with the proposal of Operation Northwoods was put into practice on 9-11.
Let's say a 6'2 grey haired man with a red birthmark on his left cheek is videotaped Robbing a bank and pistol whipping the clerk.
And then the police run through a database of mug books and they notice that a bank robber who fits that description got out of prison six months ago and lives in the area.
And they go by his house and they pull him over when he leaves and he's got the cash in the trunk.
If you've got people that have done this before and plan to do this, my goodness, I think that's pretty darn important.
Yeah, well, I don't know about JFK, to be honest, but what I do know is that I haven't seen any evidence that links Operation Northwoods to what happened at 9/11.
There's no doubt, as I said before, that there are lots of operations that have happened in the past that have been carried out by the American government and other governments that are very unsavory.
But that doesn't mean to say that 9/11 was one of those operations because I haven't seen the evidence.
If you show me the evidence, you know, then I'll believe it.
And then in 64 it was done with Tonkin and in 67 it was done with the Liberty and similar things, Operation Gladio in Europe, but let's just go back...
doesn't prove that the present occupants of the White House and I'm not defending them anyway I'm just saying I haven't seen the evidence why would British SAS members last year caught dressed up like Arabs driving around shooting people with plastic explosives but well let's just keep on Operation Northwoods remote all I'm saying is that just because there was this plan 40 years ago it doesn't prove that the current occupants of the White House dusted it off and put it into practice in
I guess people who disagree with what you're saying would say If it really was then a plot, why would the PNAC report writers publish their report in advance and put it all over the internet?
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Then we opened up our swirl guns and really gave them well.
We appreciate him coming on and letting us go over the piece that he put out.
And now I'd like to give Dylan Avery a chance to ask a few questions and then of course Guy can ask questions of him or make statements if he'd like and then Paul Watson to come back in.
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Dylan, do you have any questions or comments for him?
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Yeah, my first one is, how can I drop out of something I never attended?
Well, your narrator referred to me as a self-professed dropout, indicating that I actually went to college and stopped attending.
When in reality, I applied for Purchase College twice, and because the film program there is entirely selective, I was not selected.
So in all of your research, I found it interesting that you couldn't even get the facts about me right.
Well, listen, I am a college dropout, even though I had a 3.8 grade average because I didn't need it.
Now, Steve Watson that works in our research department has a master's degree in political science and foreign affairs, so he thinks it's an inside job, too, but he has a master's degree.
you know there's nothing more to it than that well you know what maybe Paul in Sheffield it means different so maybe somebody from London born and bred London call in 1-800-259-9231 let us know does drop out me never went to college because in my book that's not what it means and Paul says you're incorrect Come on Guy, we know it's a snipe at Dylan Avery.
You know, like he's some gutter snipe miscreant out there rubbing his oily hands together and attacking the beautiful crown's operation.
We interviewed Dylan for the film and we showed how his film has had enormous impact and it's been viewed tens of millions of times all around the world.
And we were trying to make a serious point.
We were showing how now conspiracy theories can proliferate through the internet in a way that they couldn't have done in the past.
My first one is, you know, Guy, your narrator makes a lot of jabs about how we're disrespecting the family members and how we're going to continue to ask questions no matter how much it displeases the victims.
The head of the biggest victim's family group who lost his son in the attacks said that he believes it's an inside job.
We have the transcript and the audio on PrisonPlanet.com and he said this last year and he said that more than half of his members believe it's an inside job.
Hey, I tried to get you to talk about how the Dean of the Defense Language School said three of the hijackers trained in a secret program in 2000 in Monterey, California.
I tried to get you to cover Newsweek, where hijackers were reportedly trained at the Pensacola Naval Air Station.
I tried to get you to interview Mr. Springman, the former head of the U.S.
Embassy, who was told, let them into the U.S., they're really anti-terror fighters, and that their terror designation's a cover.
Well, I'm saying that just like people in Russia or Germany or China couldn't believe the government had gone bad and then later they had to admit it,
I think that you have a preconceived notion, a preconceived view, and I'm saying you disregarded most of the key evidence, like 44,000 US troops and 18,000 British troops massed in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan in the four months before 9-11, and Newsweek and Associated Press reporting that Bush, the day before the attacks, had the launch orders to attack Afghanistan on his desk.
Well, I mean, it's very difficult to answer some of these points, because what you're doing is you're quoting things that you claim that you've heard, and there's some things that are on the internet and... No, they're mainstream!
Well, I don't know the details of that particular story, but I do know that there are a lot of stories that are circulating on the internet that are not based on fact.
Do you know where the story of the Israelis not being in the building came from?
It came from Harots and the Jerusalem Post, because Odigo instant messaging head said, yes, we got a call that something was going to happen, get our people out of the building, and most 9-11 researchers say that Israel clearly wasn't running the attacks.
May have been in some small support role because MI6, Mossad, Chinmet, CIA are all joined at the hip.
That's a real report that indeed there were warnings.
The Arabs weren't in the buildings either because they had warnings and there were locals doing insider trading.
I think what you've done here, Alex, is you've raised a very interesting and important point, and that is that much of what is on the internet about 9-11 is based on news reports.
Now, those news reports are not necessarily always accurate.
What happens, as we've seen with the conspiracy theory alleging that 4,000 Jews didn't turn up for work that day, is that the story gets into the media and then it gets twisted and distorted, like what we call in England, Chinese whispers.
And it just continues and proliferates and becomes more and more complicated.
And what we tried to do in our research was to go back to primary sources, to eyewitnesses, and we presented that information.
Now, I fully accept that many people who are listening to your program won't accept that.
All I'm asking people to do, I guess, is to watch our program with an open mind, Well, Mr. Smith says let people come to their own conclusions.
How is that possible when the program is laden with so much bias?
Well, Mr. Smith says, let people come to their own conclusions.
How is that possible when the program is laden with so much bias?
We keep hearing this word objective.
My question is, how can Mr. Smith justify using the strong implication on numerous occasions throughout the documentary that questioning the official story of 9-11 is insulting and hurtful to the victims?
How can he justify such a blatant and cynical attempt to emotionally sway the viewer when we've had Bill Doyle on the program, who is the largest representative, the largest group of 9-11 families, and it was a government cover-up in itself in the very hours after 9-11, The result of which, now we have a situation where 20% of the first responders are dying from that government cover-up.
And by the way, major medical institutions admit their lungs are full of asbestos and concrete, and we have the internal EPA documents where they were ordered to shut it down and cover it up.
That's been in all the major US newspapers, and we were called conspiracy theorists on that.
The truth is, every time the government does something wrong, they just say we're conspiracy theorists.
You had some psychological test on there where basically you're a bunch of shut-in nuts and it's a religion.
And you had some fiction writer get up there from the Lone Gunman and the X-Files for the show, the producer, and basically say that it's a religion that we have.
No, sir.
Steel doesn't melt until over 2700 degrees.
And there were people in the wounds of those buildings, waving, begging for help, and then giant columns severed right next to them, and then there was molten steel.
Well, I mean, again, I come back to the fundamental point.
You're saying that it was an inside job carried out by the American government to start a war for oil in the Middle East and in Asia.
I hear that view and I accept that there are many people who believe that view.
All I can say is that having looked at the story, having researched the story, having talked to many eyewitnesses, we don't come to the same conclusion in our program.
Hey, I've played eyewitnesses saying, get back, they're going to blow up the building, and I've got a bunch of other clips I can play.
I give the actual witnesses, I give names, we sent you police officers, we sent you people, and you didn't interview them, and you make these large, broad-brush statements about how you've disproven what we've said, and it isn't true.
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He doesn't agree about Dr. Kelly.
You're held to a higher standard as a BBC journalist to produce the Balance Programme and you've already come to a bias before you've even finished the filming.
And let's face it, if supposing during our research we had found that some of these conspiracy theories were true, We would have certainly put that into the film, because actually, it would have made a much more dramatic and sensational film.
We'd be all over the front page of the newspapers this morning.
I can absolutely give you an assurance that nobody is trying to censor what we were saying in this program.
And if we had found through our objective research some evidence to back up the theory that World Trade Center 7 was demolished or United 93 didn't crash at Shanksville, then we would have put that into the program.
I mean, will you help to smith?
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Your conclusion is not based on the evidence.
They were based on portraying Dylan Avery and Alex Jones as a kind of religious cult.
You called Alex an evangelical preacher, basically.
He was talking about why people believe in conspiracy theories nowadays, and I think he made a very valid point about how in the past we found it difficult to understand what was going on in our world, so we created myths, and now what we're doing is doing much the same sort of thing.
Now, I hear what you're saying, and there are many people who will agree with you, but some of the people who oppose what you're saying and who disagree with what you're saying may ask this question, and that is, why is it that nobody in the five years since 9-11 who is involved in that conspiracy why is it that nobody in the five years since 9-11 who is involved in that conspiracy has come Because it would only take a few hundred people to run the op.
I am absolutely convinced that if there was a Black Ops, as you say, on 9-11, it first of all would have involved not just hundreds but thousands of people.
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Well, in a sense, Mr. Smith tags us with the label of conspiracy theorists when he supports the official conspiracy theory.
And in doing so, he uses a sole clip of a firefighter on 9-11 discussing damage to Building 7's sprinkler system, while omitting literally dozens and dozens of reports both footage and from the official firefighter tapes who reported bombs at all levels of the Twin Towers and Building 7.
And that is not part of his documentary which suggests clear bias because he's using individual clips to-- - Yeah, he keeps saying show evidence, we show it and then he ignores it. - The evidence that we presented in the program is the evidence that we believe to be credible There are many stories that World Trade Center 7 was demolished by explosives.
I have yet to see any credible evidence that stands that theory up.
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Just as I have yet to see any... So the fact that it's bought in bombs is not credible?
You didn't even mention it.
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Well, it's interesting because as well as hearing from the likes of you, I've also had many emails and calls from people who are saying that we're giving too much air time to the conspiracy theories.
So I guess It's like one can't please everyone all the time.
No, no, we understand, and I appreciate you at least coming on this show.
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Yeah, you know, throughout the documentary and throughout this interview, Guy talks a lot about following the evidence and how he feels that he covers the 9/11 truth movement, when in reality, as you mentioned, Alex, there was a glaring omission from this BBC documentary that any objective documentary would have covered.
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We first interviewed him almost three years ago, and he's been on the case for a lot longer than that.
Yesterday, at the end of the broadcast, my radio producer walked in with the Salt Lake City Tribune headline, Nichols McVeigh had high-level FBI help.
Here is the Desert News headline, Nichols says bomb was FBI op.
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So joining us is Jesse Trinidou.
Thank you so much for joining us, sir.
unidentified
Thank you for having me.
You, if I'm not mistaken, were the first one to broadcast this story back in 2004.
Well, now it's really broken wide open thanks to your work.
We've got three minutes before break and we'll come back in detail at all, but just out of the gate, tell us in a nutshell about yourself, about your brother, how you got involved in this case, and now the prison interview you did with Larry Nichols.
It's unbelievable.
unidentified
Well, basically my brother was killed a few months after the bombing.
He had Been convicted of a federal crime back in the late 70s, had done his time.
He was paroled in 1988.
He had a dispute with his probation officer about drinking beer.
We challenged that and lost.
A couple months after the bombing, my brother is driving across the border.
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At the time, we didn't understand that it didn't make sense.
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So he was sent to Oklahoma City for some reason and was dead two days later.
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He was clearly tortured to death.
unidentified
And he was, his throat was flashed.
In the, all while in federal custody.
And the government said it was, they tried to have his body cremated before we saw him, and then finally, We get him home, but we never had a motive, and that was difficult to say to people why the FBI especially would have killed him and tortured him.
Now, we're going to get to that later, but in the process of your investigation, you've now got the documents, the affidavit has been sealed, so you can't talk about certain names, but before it got sealed by the feds in a desperate attempt to block this evidence from coming out, We do have the names, we do have the information, because you were able to tell different news reporters about this, in particular the Desert News, Desert Rain News, before that happened.
So we're going to go over this after the break, but I want to get into how you got in contact with Larry Nichols, why he's now gone public, and by the way, his story fits exactly with what the FBI, police, investigators, and many others have brought forward in the What 11 plus years since the OKC bombing in 1995.
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It is the 22nd day of February, Thursday, 2007.
One of the most important broadcasts I've ever done.
One of the most important broadcasts I've ever done.
It was almost three years ago that I interviewed Jesse Trinidad, whose brother Kenneth Trinidad was murdered.
That's how this lawyer got on the case.
And my God, does it fit him with all the other evidence we have.
Unfortunately, it shows that the Oklahoma City bombing of the Alfred P. Murrow building was an inside job.
Here's the headline out of the Desert News.
And before the filing was sealed, the reporters were able to see it.
Now, our guest is unable to specifically talk about the filing.
And the most shocking allegation, the 19-page signed declaration by Nichols, assertion that the whole bombing plot was an FBI operation that McVeigh let slip during a bout of anger that he was taking instructions from Former FBI official Larry Potts, who helped run the Ruby Ridge debacle, very senior, personal friends, very high level with the then FBI director.
McVeigh also said he was part of a secret military assassins team who had been recruited out of the military.
That's exactly the M.O.
we have from state police, local police, detectives and FBI.
This is absolutely off the charts, incredible.
And guess who got in and got this affidavit?
It is the man we're speaking to right now, Jesse Trinidad, who got in to see Larry Nichols, and that is a saga in and of itself.
Let's walk through it, please, sir.
unidentified
Basically, I didn't start out to solve the Oklahoma City bombing.
I started out to find out who killed my brother and why.
It all started in the Probably December of 95 or January of 96 and I got an anonymous call.
The caller said that my brother had been killed by the FBI, that it was a case of mistaken identity, that it was an interrogation and got out of hand, that my brother fit the profile, the caller said.
Of a group who were robbing banks and to fund the tax, get the money to fund the tax on the federal government.
And then about six months later I read a story in the Los Angeles Times about a man named Richard Lee Guthrie who was found hanging in his cell while in federal custody.
He was supposed to give a tell-all interview the next day before he died.
About the Oklahoma City bombing.
He was a member of a group called the Midwest Bank Robbery Gang.
And the story said he had robbed banks to get money to attack the federal government.
And they didn't have a photograph of Guthrie, though, just the story.
And then shortly before he was executed, I received a message from Timothy McVeigh, who told me that when he saw my brother's photograph and heard what happened to him, he knew that the FBI killed my brother because they mistook him for Richard Lee Guthrie.
And Guthrie, I believe, was John Doe, too.
In the description for my Pejando 2 when my brother was picked up was white male, 5 foot 9, powerful upper body build, dark complected, believed to be in Canada or Mexico, driving mid-1980s Chevrolet pickup, dragon tattoo left forearm.
My brother comes across the border in San Diego in his friend's 1986 Chevrolet pickup, Five foot nine, powerful upper body build, dark complected, dragon tattooed left forearm.
The only other person I know of with that description was Richard Lee Guthrie.
Let's walk through how you were able to get in touch with Nichols, how he tried to contact John Ashcroft, how the media was then blocked from ever being able to reach him, how you were able to get in, and what Larry Nichols told you.
unidentified
Well, Terry Nichols reached out to me apparently before he contacted me several years ago.
He had written to Attorney General Ashcroft, volunteering to tell everything he knew about the bombing and the others involved.
Not only did no one from Attorney General Ashcroft's office followed up with Nichols.
They actually issued, apparently, an order barring him from all contact with the media.
It was thereafter that he reached out to me and I was able to get in to see him and spend a day and a half with him.
But you're a lawyer, you're a counselor, that probably helped you out.
unidentified
I'm sure it did, but the real story is that this man apparently wants to tell his story.
Now, I can't assure your audiences that what he says is true.
You, sir, have more knowledge about the... I mean, you're relating things about the history of the bombing case that I wasn't aware of, so you apparently have studied this a long time and know a lot about it, a lot more than I do.
Well, I made my first film about it in 1997, but I've just interviewed literally hundreds of experts on the subject.
Now, I know they've sealed this, but we can talk about what the press has reported and any other facets you feel comfortable in getting into.
What did Larry Nichols tell you?
What's in the affidavit?
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That I don't feel comfortable talking about, but this I can tell you what is already out there in the public record as a result of this lawsuit, the lead meat.
Uh, when you sue under the Freedom of Information Act, there, for documents, government documents, there are two exemptions that are bulletproof that you cannot get around, that you will not get the documents.
National Security and... Well, that's, that's actually three.
unidentified
That's, the other one, the other two are, uh, if there's an ongoing criminal investigation Or if the government has promised anonymity or confidentiality to informants.
I was fearful that the government would come back, the FBI would come back and say they had reopened the investigation.
In which case I would have gotten nothing.
Instead they came back and told the federal judge that they had promised confidentiality to four informants.
And please not to turn over any documents.
Well the judge said he would allow them to black the names out.
But to turn the documents over.
And the documents show that the FBI's informants were robbing banks and armored cars with Tim McVeigh to get the money to construct the bomb.
And that one of the four informants was actually the explosives instructor who taught them how to make the bomb.
Now to be specific here, this could be creating the history, the ledger, and this is what McVeigh said, they were staging fake robberies to create the illusion that it was an organic domestic group that was going to carry out the attacks.
Classic black ops, where they go out and engage in criminal activities as a smoke screen.
unidentified
That's basically what some of the things that Nichols said.
The, as I said, the documents are, it's not me making this up, the documents show that at least as recently as two days before the bombing that they actually called Elohim City asking for help, and this was reported by one of the informants, that four months before the bombing another informant had not only reported the plan, but had said that they had actually scouted the target.
And, uh, so many of these things had, uh, I would not have gotten where I am today on this, but for people have, and I don't know who has done it, had leaked me copies of records.
There's a lot of feds that don't like killing kids in a daycare.
They're not going to put up with it.
unidentified
And that made my case in front of the federal judges.
I had, unknown to the FBI, I had two copies, two documents already about this operation.
And so when I asked for the records, they came back, the FBI did, and reported to the judge that there were no such documents.
And then I filed those two copies, and then the FBI came back and said that they were fake, and I had an affidavit from an FBI agent who said they were real.
And with that, the judge lost all patience with the FBI.
And then later, didn't it turn out that similar documents and some of the same documents had been released before, but without some of the names blacked out, and then that proved they were real?
unidentified
Yes.
Yes, they'd found their way out through another source, apparently.
Which confirms it.
They never denied the documents.
They now conceded.
And when they were ordered to produce them, to do a manual search, they came back and produced about 100 pages of them.
Final segment with you, sir, after this quick break.
Other key facets we'll walk through and delineate here with our guest, attorney-at-law Jesse Trinidou, whose brother was brutally tortured to death, Kenneth Trinidou.
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He's very exhausted.
A lot of filings.
He's got his own practice, of course.
We really appreciate him spending time with us to come on today, and we're going to get him on for longer next week.
In the five minutes we've got left, Jesse Trinidou...
Where is your case going now?
What's going to happen with this 19-page affidavit that has been filed?
And what are some of the materials you sent us today that we posted on InfoWars.com?
unidentified
Well, first of all, again, Mr. Jones, I want to thank you for, may have been the first, I think you were the first person to report this story back in 2004 and didn't say it was crazy.
What I filed that affidavit for was to get an order from the judge to allow me to take the deposition of Terry Nichols and to videotape that deposition.
That's the only way his story will ever get out there.
Well, bottom line, Nichols and yourself are in grave danger while this is sealed, and I know you can't violate this federal proceeding in a seal order, but I mean, these documents, you just said it, the defense detailing inside job, did the federal documents detail that?
Bottom line, your educated inside view of this, off the cuff, why do you think the government was involved orchestrating this?
unidentified
Well, I don't know if they intended it.
I think, my feeling is that the FBI had Fumbled the ball so badly at Waco and Ruby Ridge that I do remember this, that they were under constant pressure and criticism from Congress and from the media and from the public.
I think they put together this harebrained idea at Elohim City to lure in all these militia groups under the pretense of teaching them how to rob banks and armored cars and attack the federal government.
And I think they planned to catch them in the act.
I don't, for a moment, think they intended The bombing to take place?
Well, that's what the VATF tried to leak and claim.
The same thing every time they get caught in England with British Intel carrying out tax, they always claim they just missed it.
And let me tell you, sir, I've studied this.
They may tell some of their VATF that showed up in bomb gear a minute after the bomb went off, but for the insiders, they meant to bomb it the whole time.
You know, that building was blown from the inside out.
unidentified
Well, I'm not an explosive instructor, but my personal view is that it got away from him.
In fact, I've never really seen a big case where it isn't the Feds running it.
unidentified
Well, my experience, at least in this case, has been whenever you have three people who get together to criticize the federal government, two of them will be informants.
I mean, the accusations I've made against the FBI are that they set up this operation, that they had informants who robbed banks with McVeigh to fund the attack, that they had an informant who was the explosive instructor and taught them how to make the bomb, and they got away from them.
They have not once denied those accusations.
They have just begged this federal judge not to order the release of the documents.
Now, clearly, if I made those accusations against you, wouldn't you have denied them?
Then we have Danny Colson who claimed he got up there in just an hour or so from Dallas by car with the hotel receipt that he was there the night before.
unidentified
One other thing I might add is it's my understanding that the BBC is going to run an hour special on the bombing and perhaps the government's involvement.
Thank you so much for your courage, Jesse Trinidad.
Let me talk to you for one minute off air.
Thank you for joining us.
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Again, I just think about my job, what I do.
This morning, as I was scrambling, setting up this guest, and reading news articles, and going back and doing research, refreshing my memory, I just literally almost hit my knees and thank God that I'm in this position.
I never thought that I would be a radio broadcaster internationally.
I never thought I'd be a newshound.
I never thought I'd be doing what those old gumshoes did long ago, what the straw hat reporters did.
And here we are, 21st century front line muck records engaging the New World Order at point-blank range.
It's scary too to do what we do because we're going toe-to-toe with these guys.
We're going against them 110% to bring them down.
I would have been all over this story and been on the phone with Trinidou yesterday and I would have had Trinidou on Coast-to-Coast AM with me last night.
I didn't even think to call Coast-to-Coast AM to get on the show.
I didn't think to even call Trinidad, even though he was in the article, and I broke the story, as you heard him say, because I was too busy down at the law office filing lawsuits on someone, which makes me even madder at them for the lies they put out, that I have to spend all this money to get my good name back!
The Wisconsin professor who's been all over national and international television exposing 9-11.
And then I don't even know now if I want to have that Cliff Kincaid, neocons, conservatives clothing on in the third hour, but I've got him coming on just so you can hear the type of stuff these people put out.
So that's coming up.
And there is just so much going on.
I don't even know what to say.
Let me just read over these articles now to give you some more background on Oklahoma City, because this is a direct line into 9-11.
Nichols McVeigh had high-level FBI help.
Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols says a high-ranking FBI official apparently was directing Timothy McVeigh and the plot to blow up a government building and might have changed the original target of the attack according to a new affidavit filed in the U.S.
District Court in Utah.
The official and other conspirators are being protected by the federal government in a cover-up to escape its responsibility for the loss of life in Oklahoma.
Nichols claims in the February 9th lawsuit.
Affidavit for the lawsuit.
And let me just add, I was talking to Jesse Trinidad during that three minute break, and he added some more points.
He said that he was out of time, he had to go to court, but that he never has been called a kook, never been called a liar, never been demonized by the FBI.
They're just desperately trying to ignore him.
Well, the ignoring him is over.
The ignoring him is over.
The official and other conspiracists are being protected by the federal government.
Documents that supposedly help back up his allegations have been sealed to protect information in them, to protect the informants, such as social security numbers and dates of birth.
The U.S.
Attorney's Office in Utah had no comment on the allegations.
The FBI and Justice Department in Washington, D.C.
also declined comment.
Nichols does not say what motive the government would have to be involved in the bombing.
The affidavit was filed in a lawsuit brought by Salt Lake City Attorney Jesse Trinidou, who believes his brother's death in a federal prison was linked to the Oklahoma City bombing.
The lawsuit, which seeks documents from the FBI under the Federal Freedom of Information Act, alleges that authorities mistook Kenneth Trinidou for a bombing conspiracy And that guards killed him in an interrogation that got out of hand.
No, that's not what he says.
FBI went in and killed him and tortured him to death.
Trinidou's death a few months after the April 19, 1995 bombing was ruled a suicide after several investigations.
The government has adamantly denied any wrongdoing in the death.
Why didn't they publish the photos?
I know for a fact Trinidou gave them the photos.
They're up on InfoWars.com.
He's got the double point shock Wounds all over his body, under his arms, of course we don't post these, but genitals, feet, huge, what looked like electrical burns where the prods weren't working, so they just hooked something up to a wall outlet, uh, slit his throat, beat his whole head in, just, I mean, this guy's purple from end to end.
In the app today, but Nichols says he wants to bring closure to the survivors and families of the attack on the Alfred B. Murrah building.
Which took 168 lives.
He alleges that he wrote then Attorney General John Ashcroft in 2004, offering to help him identify all parties who played a role in the bombing, but never got a reply.
Nichols, serving a life sentence at the U.S.
Penitentiary Administrative Maximum Facility in Florence, Colorado.
McVeigh, who carried out the bombing, was executed in 2001.
McVeigh and Nichols were the only defendants indicted in the bombing.
However, Nichols alleges others were involved.
McVeigh told him he was recruited for undercover missions while serving in the military, according to Nichols.
He says he learned sometime in 95 that there had been a change in the bomb target.
It was going to be Nebraska, Omaha, Dallas.
They were looking at different places.
But there had been a change in the bombing target and McVeigh was very upset by that.
There, in what I believe was an actual slip of the tongue, McVeigh revealed the identity of a high-ranking FBI official who was apparently directing McVeigh and the bomb plot, Nichols says in the affidavit.
So again, two newspapers have seen this, now they shield it.
Nichols also says that McVeigh threatened him and his family to force him to rob Roger Moore, an Arkansas gun dealer of weapons and explosives.
He later learned that the robbery was staged so Moore, who was in on the phony heist, could deny any knowledge of the bombing plot if stolen items were traced back to him, Nichols claims.
He adds that Moore allegedly told his attorney that he would not be prosecuted in connection with the bombing because he was a protected witness and there's federal documents.
Moore could not be reached for comment Tuesday.
Again, they did the research Tuesday.
It just came out yesterday morning, Wednesday.
It's now Thursday.
In addition, Nichols says McVeigh must have had help building the bomb.
The evidence that he and McVeigh built the day before the bombing did not resemble the one that ultimately was used, Nichols says, and displayed a level of expertise and sophistication that neither man had.
There's a lot more than what this article put.
You just heard the lawyer who's got the affidavit filed did the day and a half of interviews with him.
Now let's read the DesertNews.com story.
All these are up on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com with a whole bunch of pages of documents, federal documents, for the first time being posted at InfoWars.com right now.
Boy, that's an interesting headline out of a mainstream newspaper.
Detailed confession filed in Salt Lake about Oklahoma City plot.
The only surviving convicted criminal in the April 19, 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrow Federal Building in Oklahoma City is saying his co-conspirator Timothy McVeigh told him he was taking orders from a top FBI official and orchestrating the bombing.
Let me say that again.
...him that he was taking orders from a top FBI official in orchestrating the bombing.
A declaration from Terry Lynn Nichols filed in U.S.
District Court in Salt Lake City has proven he wanted the most detailed confessions by Nichols to date about his involvement in the bombing as well as the involvement of others.
The declaration was filed as part of a Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trinidou's pending wrongful death suit against the government for the death of his brother in a federal corrections facility in Oklahoma City.
Trinidou claims his brother was killed during an interrogation by FBI agents when agents mistook his brother for a suspect in the Oklahoma City bombing investigation.
The most shocking allegation in the 19-page signed declaration is Nichols' assertion that the whole bombing plot was an FBI operation and that McVeigh let slip during a bout of anger that he was taking instruction from former FBI official Larry Potts of Ruby Ridge fame.
Potts was no stranger to anti-government confrontations, having been the lead FBI agent in Ruby Ridge in 92, which led to the shooting death of Vicki Weaver, the wife of separatist Randy Weaver.
Potts also reportedly involved in the 51-day siege of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas in 93, which resulted in the fire that killed 81 Branch Davidian followers.
He's now a former FBI agent, by the way.
He was an FBI agent.
Former retired.
Potts retired from the FBI under intense pressure and criticism for the cover-up of an order to allow agents to shoot anyone seen leaving the Weaver Cabin at Ruby Ridge.
When contacted, the FBI's main office in D.C.
said it would not provide immediate comment on Nichols' claims Tuesday.
Nichols claims that in December 1992, McVeigh told him that while he was serving in the U.S.
Army, he'd been recruited to carry out undercover missions for the Secret Assassination Squad.
What did I tell you, folks?
Men formerly associated with Special Forces.
In the next few years, I've had these guys following me, and they even threatened me.
Hey, man, I'm an American defending the Republic.
You do whatever you need to, criminals.
And you'll see what they'll do to you later.
In the next few years, the two men hatched a bombing plot in October 1994.
You think it's manly to kill people, don't you?
Kill good people.
You kill me, you got God to deal with, punks.
In the next few years, the two men hatched a bombing plot in October 1994.
McVeigh and I stole explosives From a quarry in Marion, Kansas, consisting of 8.5 cases of boxes containing 229 2.5-inch sticks of gel-type explosive known as Tovex.
Again, they told everybody it was fuel oil.
Ha ha ha!
Nichols wrote, adding that only a small amount was used in the actual bombing.
It was while traveling the gun show circuit that Nichols claims the two obtained bomb-making knowledge and materials used in the bombing.
And of course, that was an FBI informant teaching them for the diversionary bomb.
There were bombs inside.
One example is that McVeigh allegedly attended a gun show in Knob Creek, Kentucky in 93.
At this gun show, McVeigh had the opportunity to make contact with about 20 people who were bomb experts.
McVeigh told me that he himself had no knowledge about how to construct a bomb, but that he always wanted to gain more knowledge about how to conduct bombs.
"Struck bombs," Nichols stated.
Nichols says he knew McVeigh was building the bomb in November '94.
He left for the Philippines to get away from the area to avoid being implicated.
"I did not want to be present when McVeigh did explode a bomb.
Consequently, I left for the Philippines to be out of the country," he wrote.
This is basically the newspaper whitewash of all this, folks.
Now, the statement contradicts findings by Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, who studied the bombing, has made public last year, It indicated nickels had traveled to the Philippines to receive bomb training from impossible foreign terrorists.
Yeah, that's the Republican fallback.
They had Iraqi Republican Guard clearly involved.
This is how black ops work, folks.
You've got white supremacists, you've got militias, you've got sheet-dipped Special Forces McVeigh, you've got bank robbers running around.
But you've got Arabs at the scene and those videotapes have been sealed, but I've interviewed the police and others and FBI's on record saying they saw the sealed surveillance tapes showing the Arabs.
So then it gets so confusing, you're like, did the mob kill JFK?
Did the military?
Did the Cubans?
No, they're all involved.
That's how black ops work.
You have different levels of deniability.
Then you got bombs inside that Jane Graham, who was the head of HUD, was going through one of the maintenance sides to get up quicker.
She was late to work, and she saw guys drilling the columns, planting large sticks of gray butter the day before.
After hearing about the bombing of the Federal Building, which killed 168 adults and children, Nichols said he panicked when his name came up on the radio and he wanted to turn himself in, but not before hiding evidence, including explosives, using the bombing.
The claims made in the declaration have added yet more twist to the mystery surrounding the bombing.
Some familiar with the bombing's history, St.
Nichols' claims seem to indicate the FBI put McVeigh up in the plot as a draw for radicals, but that the situation got out of control and McVeigh became a runaway informant.
That is not what happened.
That's their fallback story.
It always is.
I mean, how many of those British bombings, oh, we didn't stop it in time.
Then you turn out the guy cooking the bombs, British intel, the guy driving it's British intel.
We've had those men on the show, by the way.
After reviewing the declaration, Rohrabacher told the Desert Warning News that Nichols' claims should be investigated, but a tree with extreme skepticism.
I need to caution people to remember that Terry Nichols is a mass murderer.
Of course, Rohrabacher a month ago was on CNN going, there's a conspiracy, a cover-up of Oklahoma!
Clinton, Clinton!
Clearly, Clinton was involved.
But this goes deeper to the black-op government.
Ruby Ridge was planned under George Bush Sr.
George Bush Sr.
brought in the nearly 3,000 Iraqis.
Clinton brought in almost 2,000 more.
They were trained here by the CIA in the 80s, brought back in at the end of Desert Storm.
Source, Washington Post, LA Times, Society Press.
Then there's stuff like this, WorldNet Daily.
Was FBI early arrival in Oklahoma City?
Hotel receipts show top terror man showed up nine hours before blast.
Danny Colson was in the DFW of Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex area and he said that oh he couldn't get on a Southwest Airlines in time to fly up there so he drove and got there in a record two hours but then people reported he was there in less than an hour after the bombing.
Then it turns out he checked into a hotel Nine hours before the blast, the FBI's top counter-terrorism agent checked into an Oklahoma City hotel nearly nine hours before a truck bomb nearly leveled the Alpha P Murrah building, according to a receipt obtained by WorldNet Daily, despite claims that he was in Texas the morning of the attack.
The Embassy Suites Hotel, Danny Coulson, then director of the FBI's Terrorism Task Force, founding commander of the Bureau's Hostage Rescue Team, was dated April 19, 1995, with a check-in time of 0.20, or 1220 AM.
His last name is spelled "Colson" on the receipt, but it indicates he is with the FBI located at 50 Penn Place.
Yeah, they misspelled on purpose.
The truck bomb exploded at 9.03 a.m., devastating half the building and killing 168 men, women, and children.
According to the receipt, Colson checked out of his hotel room at 4.06 April 27th at 11.16 a.m.
Now get ready for this.
They now have spun it and admit it.
The existence of the receipt and subsequent questions it raises surrounding the F.B.I.' 's official denial of prior knowledge of the O.K.C.
bombing was first reported by J.D.
Cash of the McMurton Oklahoma Daily Gazette, a small town paper that has been out front in the stories and O.K.C.
related reports.
Since the bombing, listen to this, officials of the Department of Justice have repeatedly assured victims that the F.B.I.
had no prior knowledge of any plot to bomb the Murrah Building.
My paper said Wednesday, however, evidence of Coulson's clandestine trip fits squarely with substantial bodies of details found in hundreds of pages of other official documents obtained via Freedom of Information Act requests.
The paper is evidence revealing weeks of planning by an elite corps of drug and counter-terrorism experts who were closely monitoring members of various far-right groups that considered religious extremists and threats to the safety and security of our nation.
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Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. ladies and gentlemen.
And for the balance of the hour, I'm extremely honored to be joined by Steve Watson of Infowars.net and PrisonPlanet.com from London, England, and Daniel Obuchacki, also joining us from England.
Now, let me just set the table here.
On the morning of 7-7-2005, three bombs blew up, destroying three different train passenger carriages, killing quite a few people, tragically.
Over an hour later, a bus that had been specifically singled out and redirected, and these reports had already come out by other witnesses, exploded.
Causing quite a few deaths and injuries.
And then it came out that the former head of Scotland Yard's Public Relations, Peter Powers, had been hired to run a drill for the exact same trains, exact same times, being bombed, the exact same day.
And we've had the actuary mathematics done on that.
It's in the trick of gillions.
That's 43 zeros, my friends, behind it.
That's many, many more times, billions of times more than all the grains of sand in all the world.
On 9-11, they're doing a drill, a flying hijack jets in the World Trade Center and Pentagon at the exact same time yet again as well.
It's always the same MO.
They do this in case other compartments of the government discover it.
The other operatives can just say, hey, we're taking part in a drill.
It also bootlegs the funding It also creates chatter that confuses Echelon, Infopole 9, the NSA, MI6, the different listening stations.
So if they pick up on it, they can say, oh, that's just the drill, too.
And there are hundreds of points concerning the London bombing.
First they said that it was simultaneous and they said no it wasn't simultaneous.
It turned out they were correct.
It was simultaneous bombings on all three of the trains.
Something went wrong.
We had surmised from all the evidence something hadn't detonated on the bus.
People reported there was not an Asian man down there.
People reported that suddenly there was just an explosion.
Folks had reported that the bus had been singled out and diverted.
I talked to bus drivers who'd heard about it.
I talked to technicians who worked in that bus terminal about strange things and strange technicians working on that bus.
And so we, from the evidence we had, something hadn't gone off simultaneously in the bus, so they redirected it.
While they were redirecting it to make sure it went off from all the evidence we have, MI6, MI5, or some private agency that was carrying this out, clearly in collusion with the government, needed time to cover up what was happening with the bus because something had gone wrong.
So for an hour and several minutes, they were announcing a power surge had caused some type of explosions.
Now, you've got three blown up trains, dead people everywhere.
They're coming out, bleeding, dying, they're telling everyone bombs went off, and the police are saying, no, no, no, it's a power surge.
Meanwhile, black sedans, blue sedans, motorcycles are directing this particular bus, the Hackney bus, to Tavistock Park, Tavistock Square.
On board that bus is Daniel Obuchieke, and Daniel is there and he's now going to tell you what he witnessed.
And this is an eyewitness.
Now, other eyewitnesses interviewed by police, and again, most police aren't involved in this.
That's why we have Scotland Yard going.
We don't think these guys knew they had bombs.
We don't think that they were suicide bombers.
We think someone gave them these packages.
But then you've got the problem of one of the bombers' passports, ID cards being found at two different bombings, and somebody messed up in the planting.
You've got Benjamin Netanyahu being admitted to Associated Press at least 30 minutes before getting a call and being told, don't get on the trains, stay in your hotel room.
This is all on record.
You've got Giuliani there when this happens.
All very suspicious folks.
Same people, same players.
This is so disgusting.
And so we have Daniel there on the bus and he's going to tell you what he witnessed.
This is huge.
I cannot hype this enough.
I know Steve's working on a part two of this, so I want to bring up Daniel.
Tell us a little bit about yourself, and then give us a nutshell, give us a thumbnail sketch of what happened on that bus that morning, what you witnessed, and then any more details that you haven't already given us for the InfoWars.net story.
And I first want to say, thank you for your courage, sir.
Tell us first about yourself and how you got the courage to go public.
I was born, bred, work in London and that day I was on my way to work in Old Street and there was some kind of disruption going on.
We were told it was a power surge and we were evacuated and that's how I became to be on the bus.
And then after that the bus left Houston full of passengers who were Also evacuated and the bus seemed to be going nowhere so I looked out because I was standing on the lower deck because I wasn't sure whether I was on the correct bus and then I peered ahead and I saw these two cars which were a Mercedes and a BMW blue and black which seemed to be in front of the bus holding it up
And it was diverted about four or five minutes later down towards Tavistock Square.
And I think the results are quite evident for everyone else to see what took place in Tavistock Square.
Oh well, after the explosion you can understand I was on the floor so It took about five seconds till the noise had actually quietened down and then I just got up and then I ran and escaped and ran straight down the street.
After a few cases down the street I saw a man holding a camera.
It looked like a camcorder.
It was walking towards me, filming the bus itself.
I was confused by this and I stopped and skidded to a halt and looked Left, right, and what was going on.
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So he was making a lot of noise and trying to get people's attention, but I just saw his actual injuries as fake.
Well, he had a bandage around his head and his trouser leg had been He was lit neatly along the seam and he was rolling on the pavement.
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Talking during the break, it was just unbelievably powerful.
I remember making Terrorstorm and saying to Rob, my editor here in the office, I go, that photo looks fake.
Bandages all over his face, thinly placed, no blood except on his chest, and it looked like it was put on out of a ketchup dispenser, little squirters that you use just kind of dribble down the front.
And so many times my instincts are right.
Well, it turns out that's the individual that, within 60 seconds, was flopping around and prancing around in front of cameras and all the waiting police.
And notice that they didn't... all over every major newspaper in the world, all over every major television network in the world, every news program in the world, no one interviewed him, no one said, where is he now?
everywhere and please relay and repeat the words you told me during the break Daniel please in your own words I'll lay this out yeah this guy he he was the one that got my kind of curiosity going because I walked past there with this escorting this woman who was hurt and then I saw him he had this bandage around his head
his leg seemed to his child's leg was torn and this was within 45 less than 60 seconds after the explosion A time before any medical staff had come forward and the thing about him was he just seemed so fake so I thought this man must have had prior knowledge, prior intelligence and he was positioned here.
For what reason?
I don't know.
Then I I conducted a search of my own online because a few days after the 7th of July, his picture, his image was everywhere.
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I actually spent about two days searching, and then I got two images of him, and that's what you see on WorldWideWebTheForceBomb.com, which is my site, where the truth and the facts of what happened in Tavistock Square that day are.
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I know it was two years ago or a year and a half ago.
I I know that it's not big and spectacular like 9-11, but a lot of people died and it was used when the British nation was refusing to go along with the war in Iraq when Tony Blair had barely hung on to his position when he had lost almost the entire majority that the Labour Party had in Parliament.
And it came right when they were having their big G8 Summit in Glen Eagles.
And it was used as a grandstanding platform to say, see, the terrorists are hitting us.
We've got to get tough.
And every indices, every piece of evidence, even Scotland Yard and other police forces who had real detectives out were going, these guys weren't suicide bombers.
That's buried in the newspaper.
These guys, we think somebody planted this stuff on them or they didn't know.
They don't fit the MO.
There was a bomb under one of the trains, not in it.
Eyewitnesses said that.
You add all these, there's hundreds of points.
We put them in the film Terror Storm, that I hope you'll get from Infowars.com.
That's why it's so important we spend about 30 minutes of the two-hour film, or a little bit more than 30 minutes, in London, documenting this.
And we even show shots of newsstands.
We were there two weeks after the attacks.
And we show newsstands where there's literally like 15, 20 newspapers and magazines, and it's all Pictures of the bombing, and half of them are this guy with the thin, one layer of bandage.
Understand, folks, I've worked for a large animal vet.
My dad's a neurosurgeon.
I've been in hospitals.
I've worked around it.
I've worked in the medical field when I was in college as a dental assistant.
And if you even put that on a scuff on your knee that really doesn't bleed but kind of just seeps, you know, when you're playing touch football and you fall down on your knee and it just kind of seeps.
I mean, even if it was just seeping, just a microscopic graze, it would stick to his face.
No, it appears to be a cap, woven heavily on the top, and then just thin, thin one straps around his face, like it was some type of already woven helmet he just put on his head.
45 to 60 seconds after the blast, he's flopping around, way towards the front, 50 yards north of it.
There's other people videotaping, spook types walking around, and then no interviews with him, we never learn his name, he's just, you remember the guy with the bandage.
And those eyes have it all, ferret-like, scanning, calculating, and I just remember going, man, that is, something's going on, that doesn't look right.
And then he has like a potato, a ketchup bottle, you know, that you spray onto your potatoes, you spray onto your french fries, it, like a dribble on his shirt.
And you take movies like The Quiet American by Graham Greene, which is based on real events, they just changed the names.
That's when the Times of London reporter, who's based there in southern Vietnam, he's been recruited by the CIA guy, he doesn't know he's CIA, and the CIA guy is actually running terror attacks to blame it on the North to escalate the war.
This is before the war really kicks off in the late 19th century.
50s and it's based on true stories that really happened and then all of a sudden he doesn't know he didn't know the guy's CIA and some of these bombings blow up in the square and kill all these women and children and then he's running around the CIA guy giving orders in Vietnamese and the Times of London writer just goes and just leans back and realizes well literally the man you're listening to right now saw something just like you see in that movie
just like what you see in that fictionalized account of real events in Vietnam.
Okay?
That's why this is so important.
Daniel, I want to go to Steve Watson and bring him up for any questions.
He's been holding for 20 minutes.
But I'd like you to then talk about what happened in a nutshell after all of this.
What started happening from that point on, please, sir?
Well, it took the Police Investigating Anti-Terrorist Branch of Scotland Yard seven months to question me.
I actually called them, contacted the Emergency Information Hotline the following day, but they didn't get back to me until the end of January 2006.
And I just felt it was as though they were trying to whitewash me, to make out that I was not even there, to actually completely dis... dis... make it look as though I was not...
That's what the Fourth Bomb, the book, is about, and what I went through.
I had some surveillance, some... I don't know whether they were MI5, Anti-Terrorist Branch, or what government organization, but I had a lot of probing.
I even had... I even gave an interview with a journalist called Duffy, he was working for the Sunday Mirror, and he showed me a picture, this was a week after the actual 7-7, he showed me a picture of Hasib Hussain, and then he asked me, "Have you seen this person?" And I said no, and about a day or two
after that, then, Hasib Hussain was named as the bus bomber in the British press.
You started by following me when I came out of my office on lunch breaks.
They were waiting on the corner.
There's a place called the Honorable Artillery, um, Barracks, and that's ten minutes from where I worked, and that is where they kept all the dead bodies from the 7-7 attacks.
So the police outside there, every time I used to walk past, they used to, uh, Have something to say, call my name or something like that.
And I think it was just a campaign trying to put psychological stress and pressure upon me because obviously if it came down to me testifying, they want me to be deemed unfit to testify or something like that.
And I think they just didn't want a public inquiry anyway.
So they got their own way and there was no public inquiry.
I had arranged to meet someone from the office, and then I got there, this guy came after me, so I actually ran into this building, and then he ran in there and followed me, and I actually hid in some offices.
You know, I just thought here, see, and I'm stupid, my instinct was I would have gotten a fight, but you're smart because by then you knew it was police, and actually they would have then got you claiming you just assaulted an officer, and you know, the 50 cameras on you in the surveilled city of four and a half million would have all malfunctioned, and they would have claimed you assaulted an officer.
I was just going to say, why do you think it is that the police didn't ask you to come in and give a statement straight away, but it was later revealed that They relied on the testimony of people who were at the scene, but you know, they were either injured or even unconscious in some cases.
And also, could you talk about some of the phone calls that you got from, you said you got some phone calls from different police departments across the country.
Yeah, they were from the West Yorkshire Police Constabulary.
They were the police constabulary investigating the four alleged bombers and one of them He decided to call me one evening and suggest something which I couldn't make out.
I said, hey, you've got the wrong number, guy.
But he continued and called the following day and I recorded it and posted it on the web.
It just says that I had a vehicle which was involved with transporting something or other to do with the investigation into the 7-7 bombings.
They just took my details, but what they did was, um, he rushed through it.
It took four hours, but he rushed through it.
He was, it wasn't really as if they were depending on my information and eyewitness accounts.
as a vital part of their inquiry because, of course, they had already completed their inquiries or whatever they wanted to say were their inquiries months ago.
So what they did was they waited until they had worked out their story and then kept me running and then brought me in and just said, hey, okay, what's your story, just so that they could do their paperwork.
The diagram, are you talking about which one Because there's been quite a few.
Oh yeah, the bus diagram, which they, um, asked me to, um, sign.
The bus diagram which they asked me to mark out, um, where the people were sitting on the bus and where the people were standing and what happened on the bus, it, the diagram was the complete Wrong layout for the bus.
And I said to the anti-terrorist branch detective who was taking my statement, this is completely incorrect.
So by me signing this, that's just going to render everything which I've told you inadmissible.
So I think it was just a ploy.
They didn't really want my information, as you would understand.
Yeah, I would also point out that, you know, Daniel had a shirt, which I believe he still has, with, you know, victim's blood on it, which should have been taken for forensic testing, but they weren't even interested in that either.
It's just they've worked out previously You know, a line to take on this, and they weren't deviating from the line, even though you've got, you know, a first-hand witness here saying this is incorrect.
You've got a layout of the bust which is incorrect.
I mean, if this doesn't tell us that we need an independent inquiry on this, then what else does?
Knowing what you know now, knowing all the evidence concerning government involvement or black ops involvement, intelligence involvement in past attacks and in the 7-7 attack, seeing your bus erected by these shadowy government characters, seeing people on the ground seconds after it happened, the fake bandages, what do you think was really going on there?
Yeah, I mean, if we do delve into a bit of the evidence, we've got, you know, numerous advance warnings from other intelligence agencies, from French, Spanish, the Saudis, who said, you know, gave an exact time frame for this, and Scotland Yard themselves, who, you know, told the Israeli Embassy on the very morning, minutes before that it was going to
It was going to go off, and Benjamin Netanyahu, who was in a hotel on Tavistock Square, which is a point that is often missed, he was told to stay in the hotel, which, you know, that kind of proves that they had precise location information as well, so we need to keep working towards outing the truth on this.
Well, we need to put this guy's face up everywhere, and we've got, look, we've got technologies to scan his face, do a composite by reducing to the lines beneath the bandages.
I actually know some police sketch artists who can, we can use computer mapping to get this guy's face.
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It is certainly like something out of V for Vendetta.
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We've got you for a few minutes here and then five minutes to the next.
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And even when I was trying to work and get jobs, they were getting in there and holding me, preventing me from gaining employment.
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So that's what the book, the forthcoming book, theforthbomb.com and the website, It's all about just to, it's actually something which is helping me as well, helping me get through it.
I saw a little note in your narrative that you exclusively gave us, sections of the book, but you mentioned that the publisher's like, well let's not get into the guy with the bandages, that's not too important.
He is referred to in the book but it doesn't actually enhance the story that much.
There is another guy who was in the square that day, an agent, who I'm going to put something on one of the Internet sites, like Google TV or something like that, which shows you he's actually directing the police and everything.