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I'm very glad, very thankful that you have decided to spend time with us and to join us on this 18th day of December 2006.
Genesis Radio talk show host was waylaid by the police and arrested over the weekend.
We'll get into that story at the bottom of this hour.
We then have a documentary filmmaker who was at a U.S.
military base one year after McVeigh had supposedly left the military.
It was a U.S.
military base specializing in demolition and he videotaped and we now have the video and stills going up on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com today.
We now have these and are getting them up on the site right now.
Proof of McVeigh still in the military at a demolitions training school.
On a U.S.
military base.
You've got to give credit where credit is due.
Guess who broke this story?
It's just now coming out.
And we were contacted by the editor at Hustler Magazine.
The only folks out there in mainstream media land that had the courage to put this report out.
So I really don't want to hear criticisms.
Oh, you're interviewing someone whose report got in Hustler.
By hook or by crook, we are getting this information out to the American people, and we're doing a report on it today.
The editor over at the magazine was very gracious to contact us and put us in contact with the man who was at the base and shot the video of this.
The video came in over the weekend.
And I guess my folks were waiting for me to tell them what to do with it, but we're in there right now.
We've got the stills in the video.
Strangely enough, the video is acting weird in several of our DVD players because it's on a different format, but we are struggling to get it captured.
And I did just see McVeigh's little face there in a Humvee right before I ran into the studio to do the live radio transmission.
And so we have The filmmaker who was there at the base, joining us in the second hour.
This is huge!
We know McVeigh was a U.S.
government agent, just like the supposed hijackers were.
We know that he'd been sheep-dipped or brought into covert operations that staged his discharge.
We know that the Iraqis involved in the operation were brought into the U.S.
at the end of the Gulf War and are U.S.
government agents and were protected.
And we know there are 5,000 Iraqis in this country right now And if the New World Order gives a simple order, they will blow up chemical plants, police facilities, federal buildings, coast to coast.
The New World Order can bring the country to its knees within a matter of hours, and this is what they've always had planned.
They have many other contingency operations to destroy our infrastructure instantly.
And so the police and military need to know who's going to do it, when they do it.
But I know you'll just be patriotic and wave a plastic desecrated American flag made by a Chinese slave and won't listen to me.
You'll probably put me in a FEMA camp for trying to warn you and trying to save this country.
I understand what it's like to be an evil American Al-Qaeda now, as Laura Ingraham and others have said, because I know Al-Qaeda is Al-Cieda.
I'm a bad person, ladies and gentlemen.
I have committed many, many crimes here.
of trying to save the republic.
So that's coming up in the second hour.
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He's written the book, Destroying World Order, U.S.
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government biological weapons legislator says 2001 Anthrax attacks, part of government bio-warfare program.
Now we already knew this, but he's a real expert.
Expert says FBI covered up the plot to attack Congress, which may have been perpetrated by the same people who carried out September 11th.
This is a big report from Infowars.net that came out last week.
The real culprits behind the 2001 attacks against Congress were most likely U.S.
government scientists at the Army's Fort Detrick, Maryland, bioterrorism lab, according to a former government biological weapons legislator and University of Illinois professor.
Francis A. Boyle says the FBI covered up these facts and has also been quite clearly stated that he doubts the official government story that 19 Arab hijackers with box cutters perpetrated the attacks of 9-11.
Boyle is a leading American professor, practitioner, and advocate of international law.
He was responsible for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, the American implementing legislation for the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention, He served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International and represented Bosnia and Herzegovina at the World Court.
Professor Boyle teaches International Law at the University of Illinois.
champagne he holds a doctorate of law magna cum laude as well as a PhD in political science both from Harvard University and he basically says it's a US government anthrax attack on the American people and on Democratic members of Congress and will also pick his brain on a stratagem to impeach the arch criminal puppet George W. Bush so that's coming up in the third hour This came in Friday.
I knew that last week we've been contacted by the editor.
The editor of Hustler Magazine contacted us and said, we know that you're one of the few outlets that's probably got the courage to run with this.
And I was aware that there have been reports that McVeigh had stayed in the U.S.
military, in the Army, that he had been, quote, sheet-dipped.
That's when they, you know, stage your death in some radical cases.
In most cases, they discharge you, and then you really carry out covert operations.
You really get brought into the operations of the National Security Council, the President.
Sometimes you work for the CIA.
Sometimes you work for private corporations.
And we knew that McVeigh was part of a larger program.
We have the famous photos taken at Fort Grouper there in Oklahoma just a few weeks before 9-11 by some pilots that shows the Ryder truck, what looks like the exact Ryder truck being loaded out of a huge fuel oil tank.
I mean, we have that.
In fact, we've got to go to America Destroyed by Design, Kevin, after you leave during this segment.
Tell Aaron later after he's posted the photos, posted the video of McVeigh.
This is bombshell stuff, folks.
Huge exclusive here.
I just thought of that Camp Grouper video we have of the Ryder truck at the base.
I had forgotten about that.
So we need to integrate that.
But this is a documentary filmmaker who was at another base.
This should be on every national television program, it should be in every newspaper, every magazine, and we're here trying to force this over the edge.
This will not be the first time that Hustler Magazine has broken national stories.
They've exposed a lot of pervert Republicans, they've exposed countless stories that go national, and I hope and pray that this story does go national.
Larry Flint, love him or hate him, say what you want about him, I'm Larry Flint, I interviewed him about 8 or 9 years ago.
Say what you want about Larry Flint, the guy certainly is not controlled and does whatever he wants.
And he's got a huge article basically coming out saying that all the evidence points towards the government being involved in the attacks.
And that's the evidence that we have, and I can only commend their editor, who I've had a chance to talk to.
He's a listener to the show.
In fact, he says he listens daily there at the office, the head honcho over there.
And here it is, hard-hitting reporting.
And yes, coming up in the new year, there's going to be a cover story about 9-11 being an inside job in Hustlers.
So, I guess Larry Flynt knows what sells, and that's the truth.
All is being born here.
It's being laid bare.
Let me tell you, I don't normally have a hustler on my desk.
I do here in front of me.
But this type of reporting could bring down the New World Order.
Kevin Smith, tell us about the gentleman that's joining us coming up in 45 minutes and 40 seconds.
Well, you're going to hear from William Bean, and he was in South Dakota scouting this location for a movie, and he just was going about his business filming scenes, and he had some interaction with troops, and this base specializes in engineering and demolitions, and this fellow turns around, it looks like a Humvee or some sort of half-track vehicle, And it looks like McVeigh.
It really looks like McVeigh.
And the problem is, this is in the late summer of 93, a full year after he was supposedly out of the military.
He came back.
He got a bronze star in the first Gulf War.
He came back.
He tried out for special forces.
Apparently didn't make it into special forces.
He says he was assigned to a special project group.
He joined a reserve unit, I believe in Pennsylvania, for about six months and then in May, June of 92, he was discharged from that.
So this is a full year after he was out of regular military and reserves that he shows back up.
And we'll have these images posted on the site.
There are the voice analysis.
prints that experts have done.
They get into the measuring the teeth, the eyes, you know how they do, the cheekbones, all that sort of stuff.
I mean, reading over this article, I mean, there it is.
That is Timothy McVeigh, 110% looking right out of the armored vehicle.
I mean, that's him right there.
But folks, we've got the photos digitally for them for you going up.
We've got the video going up.
Paul Watson, later in the afternoon, will have a report done on this.
And this is just huge.
Bill Bean has a lot of courage, and what he's doing is going to make him a lot safer.
By the way, when I was out of town, I did get a call, and now I have his name of the source.
uh... with the muckraker report uh... heard the israelis uh... speaking in hebrew there at that uh... new jersey cemetery months before nine eleven saying when the towers come down on the what terrorism is like i have now i've got a message from him i got his full name and we're now in negotiations to get him on the radio show on that front.
So this is just getting bigger and bigger by the minute, all the different reports that we have here.
But the video has not been seen before.
And you've talked to Mr. Bean.
We've been authorized to post this.
And if we have to, we'll go out and find a, you know, we've got three DVD players in the show.
It's having trouble on all three.
We were able to play it.
We were able to see it.
We're having trouble capturing it, but we're going to get it captured from hell or high water, or the hair lips of the Admiral, as they say.
We'll get him to send us another one, but this is just unbelievable.
Did you scan this to make me copies of this article?
Yeah, why don't you, so Paul has this, can you scan this and shoot these over to Watson?
Or shoot him the text somehow, so that he can work off of their report too, so we can get a report out on this as quickly as possible.
I mean, this is live here at this office, just a few people, and we're doing the amount of reporting of 20 or 30 people here at the office.
Alright, now get this devilish magazine out of here!
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Alright, we'll be right back, get into the national news, the local news.
We got Jack Blood, he was beat up by the cops.
Coming on the transmission as well, stay with us.
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But nobody ever hears him Or the sound he appears to make Jack Blood Got roughed up by the Lordships Saturday night.
Here in Austin, Texas And it's just a classic story Of where Jack saw a guy getting beat up So he went to the person's aide The attackers, I guess the muggers Or whatever they are Ran off And then he simply helped the man Who had his nose broken Had to go to the hospital And when the cops showed up They just went ahead and maced him And then took him to jail And then forced him to give a urine sample So he was going to go to the hospital So they could then try to use that against him, hoping something was in his urine.
This is America.
This is the world, though.
This is the predatory system.
And this weekend, I was in Los Angeles.
Well, you know, I wasn't here Thursday or Friday.
I left Thursday.
It was on business.
But I did have some time to watch television.
I tend to watch television because in between meetings, I just sit there in the hotel room for a couple hours at a stretch.
And I was watching news.
And I saw a cop show where a fella pulled over on the side of a country road, but a surveillance camera was picking it up, to use the bathroom.
And the police pulled over and they ticketed him and it went on to say that he would be charged with a sexual offense.
Then I was watching another cop show the next day, a totally separate one, and it showed them giving someone a ticket in England again.
So this must be what the surveillance cameras are for.
And I thought back to the big road trips we would take when I was a child.
About twice a year for about two weeks.
A vacation was important to my parents to travel and make sure I was well traveled.
We'd drive from Texas to D.C.
or we'd drive from Texas to Canada or we'd drive from Texas to the Keys of Florida and back or we'd drive through the Southwest and into the mountains and up into Wyoming and Idaho.
And back then, and most of you remember this, you saw cars everywhere.
Back then there weren't as many gas stations, but still there are a lot of areas where you won't see a gas station for 200 miles, 100 miles.
People pull over and you, you know, they go behind a bush or you do whatever you can, but you use the bathroom.
And you notice you don't see that anymore because Americans know you will be charged as a sex offender.
And tens of thousands of people in the sexual predator registry Sex Offender Registry is for being caught urinating on the sides of roads.
That's just an illustration of taking normal behavior, normal behavior, and criminalizing it.
Criminalizing it.
Saying you can't do that.
You can't do that.
In fact, I have a, well he's dead now actually, as a friend of one of my friend's dad's who worked at a chemical plant in Houston and he had, I don't know why I'm adding that part, he had diabetes.
And one time around the campfire he was telling the story when we were deer hunting about how he had to pull over, this was just I don't know like 7 or 8 years ago, I think it was about 9 or 10 years ago actually, how he had to pull over to use the bathroom, and he said because of the type of diabetes he had, sometimes he had to go like every hour.
And they ticketed him, and he had to beg not to be arrested.
Beg the cop.
Beg, please, sir, I have to go.
Well, you should just go in your pants.
And then, of course, there's those police state reports all over the country where you refuse to give a urine or blood sample at the hospital when they take you.
So they taser you.
Remember that big Miami case?
And then it turned out it was happening.
And they call it pain compliance.
And it's no longer torture, it's pain compliance.
And they keep tasering and tasering until you quote, submit.
So just an illustration of the police state we live in, in Europe, in the US, in England, where things that just 25, 30 years ago, We're normal.
And you all remember as a child pulling over, and your parents, you had to go.
You know, adults could hold it.
You could, okay, pull over, run over behind that bush.
The whole family gets charged as sex predators.
Gets you into that system.
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I've got a good friend I've known for about six years named Robert.
And, you know, he's helped us out on some stories.
He's also given us some big stories with Austin Police forcing strippers to service them when they pull them over for DUIs.
Also, he got us a report where they came into a house and shot the lab a couple times in the head.
Well, he got so sick of this that he mounted his wrecker truck As well as his personal car.
Something we recommended years ago that a lot of people have done with hidden cameras and a VCR built into the dash.
And you just punch a button to make it start recording when you get pulled over.
They pull him over.
They want to search the vehicle.
He says no.
He gets out.
They start searching and then the cop talks about how he would like to kill him.
And they find a picture of one of his friends who had been in Iraq.
And it's clearly a person in the army, in their army uniform, with their M16.
And the cops are going, oh, oh, oh, look what I found!
You know, we've got to call in the special units, the anti-terror units.
He gives the code for the anti-terror intelligence squad.
Because in the glove compartment, after a long search, we've got like 30 minutes.
We just put a few minutes up to spare you.
It's up on JonesReport.com right now.
This is the mentality.
This is the mindset.
And the female cop is joking.
They're like looking in his Gatorade bottle and looks like tea, smells like tea.
She sounds like a gang member.
She goes, shake it up!
In fact, I know I sent you that clip, John.
I forgot to tell you.
It's the last few minutes of the clip, maybe for the end of this hour.
Did you see that clip I sent you?
Yeah, just, I know they're cussing on it.
Did we cut out the cussing or do you need to cut that out?
Yeah, cut the cops cussing out.
Let's do that for them.
I'll tell you, John does the work of ten people too, just like we do here at this office.
And the reason I'm introing it with you get a sexual predator charge if you're caught urinating on the side of the road, you know, even in the bushes, with nothing around, you know, but cows for miles and grasshoppers.
I've got reports here where people are being arrested for playing tag now.
Dog balls have been banned coast to coast.
Look at this story right here.
Model pupil ends up with criminal record for a push in the playground.
The police were accused of invading the classroom last night after a 14-year-old schoolboy ended up with a criminal record for pushing over a boy he suspected of bullying his younger brother.
Now in the past they would just give you a paddling or you'd get in trouble or they'd say good job you're standing up to a bully.
Not anymore.
The boy is a perfect student who is described as a model pupil by his school was given a formal reprimand by officers after investigation.
His name and offense have now been placed in a national police computer database.
He is reprimanded for violent crime.
So, this is America where you draw a picture of your father who's a Marine Corps captain.
This is a real story.
Happened two years ago.
We interviewed the family model student again on the honor roll.
football team, teacher's pet, doing a great job and in the art class they said draw a picture of somebody in your family, draw a picture of his father with an M16.
Police were called, he was taken into quote protective custody to make sure SWAT team was on standby and they suspended him, I forget, I think it was like three days.
You've all heard about the cases where It's always a valedictorian or a salutatorian, we've interviewed them as well, where in one case it was an after school party last day of school for her favorite teacher who was attending one of the student clubs and she brought a cake and you have little Dixie cup plastic boxes that have say 10 spoons, 10 forks, 10 knives, Security guards said, oh, what is that in your bag?
He did the cursory search, that's freedom in America, found those and said under zero tolerance, this serrated edge butter knife, and she was arrested.
She was stripped of her last semester, had to go to summer school just to graduate, and lost her... in that case she was a salutatorian.
In another case, a girl was moving out that weekend because she was a valedictorian and she wanted to start college that summer.
That's how those types are.
Didn't want to wait, wanted to start college immediately, had the pickup truck loaded with all her stuff, And her mother had given her a new set of utensils, you know, the stainless steel type, and it had serrated butter knives in it.
Cops saw it, called the police, or the security guards saw it, called them, and she was arrested and lost.
Go pull those reports up.
You think I'm joking?
This is America.
This is land of the slaves, home of the cowards, And we do not deserve to be called land of the free and home of the brave.
We are pathetic.
And we're going to get this country back.
We have to set about relearning what it is to be an American and having some shame for what we've turned into.
Jack Blood's program comes on right after mine each day from 2 to 4 p.m.
Central Time here on the Genesis Communications.
Radio Network.
I'm looking for my report here.
I had it in the stack.
The report that he posted on PrisonPlanet.com.
Here it is.
Internationally known radio talk show host roughed up by Austin, Texas cops.
And on Sunday, late Saturday night, syndicated radio host Jack Blood was pepper sprayed and arrested by Austin PD.
And we'll tell, you know, the Arab League is the comedy group.
They're white guys.
And, you know, they go out and jump around like Arabs, dressed up in the headdresses, talking about how the government carried out 9-11.
Why don't we have time for a little bit of that?
And, well, here's the man it happens to, Jack Blood.
You know, you're lucky you're only being charged with some low-level stuff.
If you would have been caught, you know, shoving a bully or urinating on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere, you'd be charged with felonies.
Well, I actually expected to get a lot more charges than I did, but I think that they started to feel a little humiliated about what they had done to me, at least on an administrative level, and tried to reduce it to just enough of a charge to justify arresting me and putting me through the hell that they did.
In fact, the The guy that was getting attacked works at the Jackalope.
What had happened, Alex, and I got some of this after the fact, was one of the employees at the Jackalope on 6th Street saw a number of kids pissing in the alley.
So here we go again.
And he asked them politely to please not piss in the alley where he'd have to walk through it.
There's a lot of... there's a mob kind of gathering around.
And the next thing I know, without even any identification, Alex, here's the thing.
It's not, get down on the ground, I'm the police, you know, no warning whatsoever.
I'm grabbed.
I probably, I think what I heard from witnesses is I turned around to face who was grabbing me.
I was then maced directly into the eyes and blinded and violently handcuffed so much so that I have a very deep two-inch gash on my hand just from that.
And, of course, just like when I had my incident with TSA many years ago, they laughed in my face.
Oh, you're not with the media.
They didn't believe me.
Because I'm trying to let them know that, you know, hey look, you better treat me the best way you know how to treat someone, because if you don't, here I am today, I guess is living proof is what will happen.
So I get in, they bring me into the facilities, the holding facilities, along with a number of other key Al-Qaeda offenders.
And I wasn't quiet, so at this point, this is the point where they took me into a back cell, where I was in a cell with four or five police who were berating me.
Here's the thing, Alex.
On the one hand, they're trying to take my blood pressure and trying to give me some kind of a medical assistance, because I guess being maced... No, no.
I had another incident with a police officer in the cell.
This is when I asked if I could go to the bathroom the first time, and this is when the first officer told me that I could just go into my pants.
But I told them, Alex, I said, look, I'm not going to go in my pants, and this will get extremely ugly if you don't let me go to the bathroom.
At that point they let me urinate into a drain in this cell.
It was at that point I was strapped to a gurney and sent to Breckenridge Hospital, which I've overheard a number of nurses call Krakenridge, I guess because of all the crack casualties that end up there.
And I was violently, again, handcuffed to a gurney.
The handcuffs were so tight, Alex, I couldn't feel the blood moving in my left hand and my arm was swelling up the size of the handcuffs themselves.
I was tied to this gurney by these handcuffs for probably four hours, again, asking multiple times, can I go to the restroom?
So, and this is when, when I made a point that I did not want them keeping my urine, this is when Officer Harvey got extremely violent with me again, right in the middle of the hospital, and nearly broke my arm to get me back into custody at the holding facilities.
Well I mean I was laying down the gurney and he went to get me up and I said look I'm not going anywhere until because the doctor who as you read in the story.
Well, they've standardized torture in the jails, and that's why four of the prisons around Austin in the last five years have been shut down for literally making rape videos, raping men.
The jailers throughout history always turn into creatures far worse than their wards.
Well, again, getting out of the hospital, having to leave my urine sample, my blood sample at the hospital, and I was again dragged off back to the holding facilities where I was left in deplorable conditions.
The only water in these holding facilities, Alex, was a men's room bathroom sink which was full of vomit.
I had a run-in, I guess, with this female sheriff in the holding facility, who was very upset with me, Alex, for wanting to go to sleep after being awake for 24 hours.
Threw me in a 3x3 holding, or 5x5 holding cell, as you say, covered with mucus, where I stayed for 4 hours.
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I mean, it's just so sick!
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Jack, why do you think then, if they were going to try to charge you with a bunch of other stuff, I mean, you're lucky.
I've seen video, and we've put it in documentaries, where people don't even touch the cops, like Osa Motley.
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I gotta tell ya, the reason why I don't think they charged me with more was because of the great doctor at Breckenridge Hospital who was a fan of mine and yours, Alex, and told me and the police officer several times What a big fan he was and I think at that point they started to understand that I really was with the media and I think they kind of wanted this just to go away.
I am of course going to be contesting these charges and let me just say again that the hospital staff at Breckenridge was extremely helpful and professional to me as were the ambulance drivers who were just par excellence as far as dealing with me and extremely kind, generous And very, very professional.
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And thanks to one of the nurses, the policeman, his name is Officer Harvey, aka Roy Boy, had to loosen my handcuffs because it was again cutting off circulation, my wrist is still... Now, now, Jack, we don't know that about him.
We do know though that we're going to have to investigate this story and that it's too bad this happened to you.
Frankly, that's why I don't really get anywhere near 6th Street anymore because there's got some good restaurants down there because I've had guys that I knew at the gym back in college.
who no doubt have a hormone imbalance, and they are literally just out there starting fights.
I know big bouncers who are now cops, and they just want to beat people up. - Well, let me say this.
One of my listeners wrote me and made a good point.
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But I mean, here you have this magnet.
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And then again, if you don't, if you find yourself, like I did, trying to defend somebody who was helpless on the ground, and you're in the wrong place at the wrong time, I mean, you just suffer along with everybody else.
I think the best way to do this is tell us about yourself, tell us who you are, tell us where you were, and then how you woke up to the footage you had and the incredible harassment and intimidation you've gone through since you got this footage.
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Right, that was the North Dakota Film Office, and they were a great help to me, and directed me over to Camp Grafton.
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I then took a tour of the base and basically videotaped everywhere I went and the upshot of that was about an hour or so into the tour I, uh, saw two guys parking a tank.
So, um, I forget whether I just walked away from the tour or whether I asked if I could go inside the tank, but anyway, once the tank was parked, uh, I went over with my video camera running and, uh, it had a kind of a porthole entrance in the rear of the tank.
That's how you entered and exited.
I, uh, crouched in the entrance with my video camera running And the driver of the vehicle was closing a front hatch.
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I attempted to ask him a few questions, as I had everybody else.
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Uh, I asked this guy what he was doing, and he says, uh, I'm just a parts clerk.
I'm just parking this thing.
And he attempted to push past me, and, uh, he finally then did leave.
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Right now we are joined by Bill Bean, filmmaker out there in the Dakotas, scouting film locations with the Film Office of the state.
He was directed out to a military base.
He got authorization from the Colonel Dahl to tape.
Everybody was very friendly, but then he goes up to the back of a portal to a large armored vehicle and starts videotaping the person as upset, trying to be furtive, trying to basically cover their face.
And you look at stills of McVeigh.
With stills of him in prison, it is McVeigh.
And now there's been voice print, face print, face studies have been done.
And this is key.
This is a year after he was out of the military.
Okay?
A year after he was even out of the reserves.
We're going to go over all that.
But let's, for stations that just joined us, Bill, Let's recap and start with a story that everything you went through.
I mean, even before you knew what footage you had, all these weird things were happening.
Now you know.
And then I want to go into who McVeigh really was, all of our research, what really happened in OKC.
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Bill, recap, OK?
For those that just joined us, recap and then continue.
So, I had written a screenplay and contacted the North Dakota Film Office.
They directed me over to the military training base where they teach explosives and demolition.
The base commander superintendent, Colonel Dahl, met me.
I videotaped him.
He was very nice.
He turned me over to the billeting director, who actually took me on the tour.
The tour lasted two and a half, three hours.
And everywhere I went on the base, I videotaped what I was looking at.
Even if I didn't have a scene written, I thought, well, I can look at this and maybe write a scene later.
Uh, everybody I spoke to was very polite to me.
They answered all my questions.
I had a very nice time.
Then I saw two soldiers, uh, parking, uh, an armored personnel carrier.
I walked away from the, uh, billeting director, and I entered the rear of the armored personnel carrier.
I crouched in the doorway, and when the, uh, soldier who was parking it turned around and looked at me, he basically froze.
And attempted basically right away just to push past me through the portal.
But I was right there, I was blocking the area so he couldn't do that.
And I attempted to ask him, I said, oh, you know, what's your job?
And he said, what's that?
I said, what's your job?
He says, I'm just a parts clerk.
Well, I thought that was kind of a flippant answer at the time and I didn't appreciate that.
But I said to him, oh, you're just kind of parking this one?
And he says, yeah.
And I was actually going to ask him a few more questions, but I thought, well, what do I know?
You know, maybe he's got some sergeant yelling at him or something.
So basically I moved and I let him go by.
So that's how I got the footage originally.
And that was on August 3rd, 1993 at Camp Grafton, North Dakota.
And I finished the tour, went to various other locations on the base.
I was treated very well by everybody there and then I left and I never was at Camp Grafton again.
So you can't say that it was some other day he was there or some other time.
That was the only day in my life that I'd ever been to Camp Grafton.
Now that was August 93.
About a year later I started to get Hang-up phone calls and at first it didn't really mean much to me other than it was annoying.
I thought well maybe somebody just got a number that's similar to mine or something like that.
But then the hang-up phone calls started to have a pattern to them wherein I'd get up in the morning and there'd be a hang-up phone call but nobody'd be there.
I'd walk into the bathroom there'd be a hang-up phone call nobody'd be there.
I'd say, who the heck is giving us these hang-up phone calls?
There'd be a hang-up phone call, nobody'd be there.
This went on, eventually it went on for ten years, and I'm not exaggerating this at all.
It progressed from mere hang-up phone calls to people, I would have somebody in my house and I'd be speaking to them directly, you know, maybe we'd have just a normal conversation, who's better, the Cubs or the White Sox?
And then the phone would ring and somebody would say, well the White Sox are better.
And then they'd laugh and hang up.
So I was allowed to know that I was under surveillance.
And then it progressed from that to I could be at somebody else's house, or somebody else's apartment, and if I brought up the subject of hang-up phone calls, they would then get a hang-up phone call on their phone.
Uh, well, you know, I don't know who did it, and I don't know exactly how they did it, but I was allowed to know that not only was my phone tapped, But my emails were intercepted, my credit card purchases were monitored.
And of course, this happens so often, you probably never would have put two and two together with the footage you had from ten years before if they hadn't have done this harassment.
But they were trying to flesh you out, see what you were doing.
So that's a place where, like the NSA, where they listen to phone calls and they monitor But I will tell you harassment would probably be done from a sub office under the name of a private corporation with a U.S.
government agent over it with private contractors just from past things we witnessed.
For instance, I'd get a hang-up phone call, and then I'd
put the record on and I'd dial star 69 and then an operator would come on and say the number of your last incoming call was blah blah blah blah blah and then they'd say punch one now to call that number back so then I would punch the number back and then another operator would come on and say the number you just dialed blah blah blah blah does not exist well it's the same number that the other operator just gave me or I would get a hang up phone call and Uh, same thing.
I'd record it then.
I'd punch star 69 and then I'd get a number and then they'd say punch one now to dial that number.
I'd dial that number and it'd be a security room somewhere.
And then somebody would say to me, how did you get this number?
And I'd say, look, I just dialed star 69.
And they'd say, well, there's nobody here but me.
And I didn't call you.
And I said, well, I didn't call you.
Anyway, I, I, yeah, I have a bunch of this stuff on tape.
It's, uh, you can consider it humorous or frightening or, you know, various different ways to look at it.
Now, you've given us still photos, the video, uh, it's, again, a national news story right now on Hustler.
And before you laugh, folks, they do serious reports.
They broke a lot of JFK stuff.
They've done other government-sponsored terror stuff in the past.
And so they do do these reports and of course I'm sure well I want to get into how you finally got in contact with the media and how this has now come out but but please continue with what then happened next.
Yeah then it progressed to I would have a private conversation in in my house or somebody else's house or whatever and then maybe the next day I'd be sitting down at a restaurant and Five, eight minutes after I'm sitting there, two guys would come in and they'd sit on either side of me, and then they'd basically have the same conversation with each other that I had with somebody in private the night before.
And, like, for the first five times that this happened, I thought, well, that's a coincidence.
That's just what I was talking about last night.
And you have to remember, before you think I'm really stupid, I didn't know that this was Tim McVeigh on the tape.
But let me tell you why they probably did this, and the reason I know this is I've studied past harassment cases, past declassified operations.
At first, it was to watch you and monitor you, to find out if you knew what you had.
Then they decided, in case you ever found out about it, to do all this so it would sound so ridiculous, so you would add all this now to the story you're telling with the video, to cloud any discussion of the video and make it sound like you're nuts, instead of looking at the video.
A lot of COINTELPRO operations are meant to, in black ops, to have everything so weird and so convoluted, it's called a smoke screen, that people can't get through to the original information.
In fact, when I met that retired military intelligence officer, out of the blue he would ask me questions like, Do you know the difference between a military investigation and a civilian one?
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Joy, you know your own experience, right?
You started out probably green as a gourd, and you found, you got on the trail of something that was wrong.
And then you found out that you, when you went to the, quote, the authorities with it, that not only did they not care it was wrong, that they were in on it.
And so it's very easy after you see this going on, and after you have the government actually try to kill you and your family, not because you've done anything wrong, but because you simply know the truth, I mean, the truth that exists in the law, you know, in the written law.
When you figure that out, you figure out finally through your thick skull that these people can't be trusted, that they're the enemies of everything decent, and in fact, the enemies of human life.
And so, I don't know, it just becomes, that's something that just Becomes the fact that you live with and you have to do something about it.
I mean, you have to, either that or you have to die.
What I'm trying to make your listeners understand is that there was a shift from the household economy to the industrial economy.
And that what was planned in that shift, it's not that I'm being conspiratorial, because there was a way in which there was a social trend there that was happening that was being pushed by technology, by the new technology, which made centralized labor a little more, considerably more profitable and more sensible.
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But I'm talking about from soup to nuts, from, you know, from milk to cheese, everything they made themselves.
And everybody in the household contributed to that economy.
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And they did that in their own home.
And then the steam mills came in and replaced that.
So that process was going on in the 19th century.
But after the war between the states, remember I said it wasn't the North that won, it wasn't the South that won, it was the corporations that won.
Those people behind those corporations, people like Carnegie, set out to remold society so that they would create, through government schooling, docile workers, and voracious consumers to keep their system going.
Now, anybody can go on the Internet and order John Gatto's book.
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He was Teacher of the Year in the public schools in New York, New York City, and New York State.
And after he won that award, he made an announcement in the Wall Street Journal that he was quitting education because he was tired of hurting children and he wasn't going to contribute to it anymore.
Wow.
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Gatto's a very good, very serious researcher, and what he does is he shows these connections.
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Our guest has been trying to finally figure this out, been trying to get this story out for a while without success.
I wish we would have run into him.
But the editor over there at Hustler, the investigative journalist that did a lot of the reporting on this, Brian Sachs, just amazing.
We're going to go back to our guest here in just a moment.
And again, he graciously sent us the video, stills of it.
The reporters over there at the magazine contacted us to give us this information because they're listeners and because they're doing a
feature story on 9-11 truth in a couple months and they just want to get this information out and it's it's remember it was it was hustler that broke the stuff with Jimmy Swaggart and the prostitute my point is is that they do they do real old-fashioned investigative reporting over there and I've had a chance to read some of the advances on the 9-11 cover story and it's it's unbelievable
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But again, you don't see CNN or Fox reporting on it.
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But if we don't expose government-sponsored terror, we're not going to have a country.
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Okay, let's go back to my guest who I think I'm going to try to hold about 5-10 minutes into the next hour.
We need to go through this whole story.
We're talking to Bill Bean, the filmmaker who was out there in 1993, videotapes, it was clearly McVeigh, we'll go through the evidence of that in a few minutes.
At this base, a year and a half, I'm in a mistake, I said a year, a year and a half after he was out of the military entirely, washed up basically, but the intel we have from state police, FBI and others was he was really sheep dipped, a U.S.
government agent, Sheep-dipping is when they take you into covert operations by claiming that you were discharged.
Or there's extreme sheep-dipping where they claim, you know, you died.
Uh, when I looked at the internet and saw more of a detailed rundown of his life and of his military involvement and saw that no matter which side I went to, his military involvement ended and basically, uh,
uh... ninety-two and that's when it ended cut-and-dried and then i began to realize researchers like myself and others had had had detailed that he was still in a covert operation and the government denied it and called it a conspiracy theory here's evidence that we've been correct well i'll be interested in seeing what'll take place now let me tell you that i just got back from washington dc and i dropped off all this information over at congressman rohrbacher's office
Well, he was a nice guy, and I knew him from, let's say, January of 1996 until June of 1996.
He was a nice person.
I have to tell you what his wife said to me one time.
I went to his house to visit him.
I was sitting with his wife in the kitchen, and she said to me, Uh, she mentioned his name, the husband, and she said, yeah, he was talking about, uh, about you, uh, with a general in Washington last night.
And I said to her, he was talking about me to a general in Washington.
What is that supposed to mean?
She began to say something and then he walked into the room and she changed the subject and would never bring it up again.
So basically, uh, in about June or so of 96, after I'd known these people for about six months, Everybody in my life just seemed to know too much about me and I just felt pressure from all sides and so I just basically ended my relationship with them.
I had the video, and then I made copies of it, and then I wanted to get a voice analysis done, so I went to a place in Wisconsin here, not far from Chicago, and again, I told no one I was doing this, but again, to show you that they were watching me,
I went to the place that did the forensics voice work, didn't make a reservation, just walked up to the door and knocked and entered, and the person who owned the place and did the actual work wasn't there, but their secretaries and aides were there.
They said, how can we help you?
And I said, well, I've got Tim McVeigh on tape, and what I want to do is do a voice match to see, okay, does the voice match?
This is Tim McVeigh as far as the forensics work goes.
And for those that don't know, the best way to do it, the way they did it with the fake Bin Laden tape, the fat Bin Laden, very shoddy job, is you take a real Bin Laden tape and create a voice key.
That's what you use with voice ID on your phone system or your security system at your office or house, folks.
This has been well developed for over a decade.
And then, They take the new tape and see if it will fool the key.
Now, if the audio isn't high enough or is distorted, if it isn't clear, still it won't activate the voice key, but if it's close enough, they can then tell by the pattern and tell with almost 100% certainty that it is McVeigh.
Yeah, you can read the report and certainly, for instance, the guy in the soldier in the tank, his voice comes out to like 153 cycles a second and the known McVeigh voice from 60 Minutes interview was 151 cycles a second.
Both of these, they're so nearly exact and they're above the norm, which is The norm is like 125 to 145 cycles a second.
Anything above 145 cycles makes you then seem to have a high voice.
I do know that he also used 10 other people to repeat the same phrases that the soldier in the tank used, and then they compared all those different people to known to a voice of McVeigh, and then had independent people listen and say, which individual is and then had independent people listen and say, which individual is this
Yeah, he says mouth-to-microphone distance was inconsistent.
As I said, it was moving around the recording, so the sound of the tank, of the metal in the shoes, that's what doesn't allow, I guess, a perfect voice print.
But the professor basically says that he believes it's the same person?
Well stay there, let's talk about the face analysis, the analysis, I mean I can just look at it, it's McVeigh, but an analysis was done of that as well, and we'll talk about why this is so important.
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Our guest is out there scouting for a film he wants to make.
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He's shooting video of it, as you do on locations.
Everybody's nice to him until he films McVeigh, who looks like McVeigh.
And the guy freaks out.
The point is that we know from our own separate research, state police, police officers, FBI, investigators, press reporters.
I mean, they killed cops over this, like Terrence Yeagey.
There were bombs in the buildings, the fuel oil bomb was a diversion.
We got photos by pilots.
A few weeks before the Oklahoma City bombing of a Ryder truck being loaded with what looks like a fuel oil tank.
All of this together.
We know that Al Husseini Hussein, this has even come out in court, was an Iraqi Republican guard trained by our government in the 80s when Saddam was our ally.
Brought back in with 5,000 other Iraqis by Bush Sr., 3,000, Bill Clinton, 2,000 more.
We know they're all over the country using all different sorts of nefarious activities.
We know they were there.
Al Husseini, Hussein, seen getting out.
We've talked to FBI agents who saw the videotapes which were seized under national security showing these Arabs with McVeigh, people at It's the same old story.
Topless bars, restaurants, just like with 9-11.
All these Arabs with McVeigh.
That way, if they got caught in the diversionary blast, the government could say, oh, look, it's Arabs.
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Clinton ordered them released.
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This is unbelievable.
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I mean, that's how surveilled they were.
We've had the police there on air, folks.
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These are U.S.
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Period.
Period.
And so is McVeigh.
Now, did they really kill him?
Did they stage his death?
Big press reports reported his chest was still moving when he was pushed out.
That was in mainstream news.
I don't know.
You see, that's cloak and dagger.
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And now it's broken nationally in a national magazine.
We have the exclusive video going up.
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I want this to be a good one.
They're all good, but this is really important.
We ought to get video of McVeigh, too.
We're also getting the audio clip before we actually play it on air here.
Let me go back to our guest.
We have another unbelievable guest coming on, or I would keep our guest for the next hour.
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He's going public with the government involvement in the anthrax attacks.
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Stay there.
Bill, because I want to come back to you after this 60 second break and hit some of the other key points here.
And it's clear we've got to do another interview on this subject.
Folks, do you realize the magnitude of this?
We have Timothy McVeigh on video, in the military, at a base, a year and a half after... That's incredible.
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A professor who's an expert in this did a voice print analysis, that is a cadence test, and said that it is conclusive that he would testify in court that it is the same person as Timothy McVeigh.
Then there was also analysis done of the face, wasn't there?
I know they do a thing where they look at the position of the pupils with the tip of the nose or something, but anything as far as the features on the face went, and specifically on the teeth.
This story is going to have a huge effect, because it just adds.
You know, now since you learned the truth about Oklahoma City, and all the evidence of the other U.S.
government agents involved, and McVeigh clearly being the patsy, and then McVeigh is grueling on the side of the highway saying, I've got a chip in my butt.
I tried, let me tell you, I went to 60 Minutes, and 20-20, and Nightline, and Frontline, and Chicago Tribune, and on and on and on.
And for the people that would, look at what I had.
I'd give them the video.
I'd give them the blow-up, the captures from the video.
I'd give them the forensics report.
I would give them everything I had, just like I gave you.
Maybe a week or so later I would get everything back and I would get a statement from them saying, we choose not to follow this, or we choose not to get involved with this subject.
Or, I'm not going to name any names, but I went to somebody at a large newspaper here in Chicago.
He looked at everything and the first thing he told me, and the next week was, he says, oh no, I checked with the military and McVeigh wasn't in the military.
And I said, you're looking at the pictures yourself.
I saw him the next week after that.
He handed everything back to me and he says, look, I'm sorry.
It is McVeigh.
I know what you're saying is true, but I can't help you.
Yeah, and, uh, again, I went to lawyer after lawyer after lawyer just before I knew it was McVeigh, just trying to seek some, uh, how do I handle this?
What am I supposed to do?
And at first they'd just think I'm a kook, and then when I bring in all the information and the, I videotaped the cars following me and I got the license plate numbers and I have all this.
And then once they were convinced themselves that it was true, they would just hold up their hand and say, nobody here can help you.
Well, the publication you got this in is known for breaking huge national stories.
This is gonna go big.
We're here trying to ensure that happens, and with the video you gave us, which is a total exclusive, folks, it's going up on the web real quick.
And, uh, it looks like we might have some internet attacks going on right now, so that's another indicator.
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Bill Bean had the voice analysis done by one of the top experts in our country on it, by a professor out in Utah, and he said he'll testify in court, this is the voice of Tim McVeigh.
Now understand, they're inside an armored vehicle with the engine running, But still they were able to analyze his 60 Minutes interview before his quote execution integrated with this and it is conclusive this is Tim McVeigh.
And you look at the video of it, I mean it's him.
He's got the bunny rabbit teeth with the teeth beside those going inwards.
He's got the same eye, same eyebrows, same face.
He's just a couple years younger than the guy that we saw arrested in 1995.
We're going to put the video up on the web, the stills, the photos, all of it.
But this meshes with the state police, the FBI agents, everybody we've talked to.
He was in a covert government operation.
Supposedly, he thought when he got hired out of the military to infiltrate white supremacist groups and others.
Then he's on the side of the road, you know, drooling when the state police pick him up minutes after the OKC bomb went off.
And we have video, and we've talked to the FBI agents who saw the video of these Arabs with McVeigh.
Then we know who those Arabs are because they got picked up by police and the police were already surveilling them, the state police were, and we have that footage of al-Husseini, Hussein, and others who were clearly trained by the U.S.
government in the 80s, brought back in by Bush Sr.
in the early 1990s as part of some larger black-op operation.
I've got my next guest lined up and I really appreciate you coming on, Mr. Bean.
Any other key points you want to close out with?
It's clear we'll have to do a part two and have you back on so we can take questions from the audience maybe later this week or next week if you've got the time, sir.
And you said that major national publications said, we know it's McVeigh, it's too scary, we're not going to talk to you, but Hustler, the last place you went, did.
Yeah, I went out to L.A. and I called Hustler on the phone.
I said, I've got the videotaped Tim McVeigh, blah, blah, blah, and all this.
And I said, do you want to see it?
And they said, can you be here in 45 minutes?
I was there in 45 minutes and they had a room full of people sitting there and they had me replay it over and over and over and over again.
And they asked me, what's the significance of this?
And I gave them the explanation like I have to you.
Then, now they didn't just take my word for it, because they spent months on their own investigating this to make sure everything I was saying was true.
They just interviewed me and Dr. Stephen Jones on 9-11, and they spent months vetting it, and months calling us, and months wanting this, and months wanting that, and I've never seen media Do this with me before and I've interviewed by hundreds of newspapers hundreds of magazines 50-plus times national TV.
I've never experienced this type of vetting.
So I mean you've got a Despite you got a credit that they're due there for what they're what they are doing.
Didn't know why he was being harassed, didn't know all the stuff was happening, and then one day they're there watching old video they'd shot, and there's McVeigh.
And he still didn't know exactly, he just knew that's important.
And then he found out he'd been out of the military for a year and a half.
This is at a demolitions, specializing in demolitions base, and there's old McVeigh right there.
Then the BATF, even the History Channel has reported, was practicing blowing up rider trucks in the desert.
Was it Arizona?
In the six months before.
And then the BATF, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, runs up to the local doctor, who later died mysteriously, and the police officer, Terence Yakey, Cop of the Year, he was killed, he was murdered, tortured to death, because he was reporting the BATF ran up in full bomb gear and then demanded that doctors patch them up and claim they'd been on the ninth floor.
And being a good cop, Terence Yeagy said, something's going on here.
And boy, they stabbed him and tortured him for hours.
And it had the nerve to call it.
All those stab wounds all over his body, bound hands, handcuff marks.
He called his partner minutes before he disappeared, instead of being followed by a car full of feds.
And we've had some of his colleagues here on the show.
Police officers in Oklahoma saying the feds killed him.
Alright, I'm going to shut up about that.
I apologize to our illustrious guest, an amazing individual with so many letters I can't even begin to tell you, Francis A. Boyle, a scholar in the area of international law and human rights.
Professor Boyle received a JD degree, magna cum laude, and PhD degrees in political science from Harvard University prior to joining the faculty of the College of Law.
He was a teaching fellow at Harvard and an associate at its Center for International Affairs.
He also practiced tax international Tax with Bingham, Diane, and Ground in Boston, and it goes on forever.
He, of course, instrumentally was involved drafting the Biological Anti-Terrorism Act of 89, also American implementing legislation for the 72 Biological Weapons Convention, He was on the Board of Directors for Amnesty International.
Really, I can't say enough about him.
And a month ago, I got this book.
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And just today, we noticed, hey, we've already got his book, or one of his many books, Destroying World Order.
I should get him on just about this.
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Francis A. Boyle.
And he's also written another book on bio-warfare and terrorism on the subject of the anthrax attacks and he's going public saying that it's got InsightJob written all over it right out of Fort Detrick, Maryland and thank you so much for coming on, Doctor.
Well, thank you for having me on, Alex, and my best to your listening audience and keep up the good work.
I don't listen to you during the day or anything, I'm kind of busy, but I do periodically get Reports on the internet of important interviews you've done, and I try to look at them when I get home at night.
Well, after the attacks on September 11th, the Bush administration tried to ram through the USA Patriot Act right through Congress that basically would have, if not already has set up a police state.
And we know for a fact that the Patriot Act had already been drafted and was sitting on Ashcroft's desk as of September 10th.
Now, Senators Daschle and Laney were holding it up because they realized what this would lead to.
Indeed, the first draft of the Patriot Act, they would have suspended the writ of habeas corpus.
And all of a sudden then, out of nowhere, come these anthrax attacks.
And at the time, I didn't know myself precisely what was going on, either with respect to September 11th or the anthrax attacks.
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This is super weapons-grade anthrax that even the United States government, in its openly proclaimed programs, when we had one before Nixon, had never developed before.
So, it was obvious to me, based on the work I had done drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, and that act actually was passed unanimously by both Houses of Congress and signed into law by President Bush, Sr.
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So, immediately after reading that New York Times article, I did call a very high-level official in the FBI who deals with terrorism and counterterrorism, Spike Bowman, whom I had met at a terrorism conference at the University of Michigan Law School, where we both spoke.
And there was a panel there on biological weapons.
I was not on that particular panel.
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But he was aware of the work I had done in this field, and I immediately called him, and I went through the history here, and I said, look, the only people that would have the capability to do this were someone, people, working for U.S.
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And I explained to him the reasons for my opinion.
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And of course, people had been killed and Congress was shut down.
Which, in my opinion, is a political crime.
After I hung up, I then realized that I had a list of all of the biological warfare contracts, all the contractors, and all the labs, and all the names.
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And so, you know, he's literally written our biological weapons treaty, written other, you know, serious laws that were then, I guess, coupled with treaties, would be more exact.
And, clearly, I mean, we were saying super weaponized, because I just went up and looked when the attacks were happening at the basic public stuff available, and that, you know, only super weaponized anthrax would be having these type of, you know, effects when it gets on your skin, you get it.
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And then the White House on Cipro, and it just goes on and on.
And they make money off the drug that supposedly treats it.
So I was having the conversation with Marianne Spike Bowman, the very high-level official in the FBI dealing with terrorism and counterterrorism.
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So I called him back, and I said, look, I have the names and the labs right here of everyone involved in anthrax work for the government.
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And I said, now, obviously, it's been updated because the Clinton administration began to get heavily back into biowarfare, but I'm sure you could get the most recent contracts from the Pentagon And then we also know, this is what I told Bowman, that the CIA is back in biowarfare research, and specifically on anthrax, because that book by Miller and Broad from the New York Times had just come out that previous summer.
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And later on in my reading the Griffiths book on 9-11, it turns out that Griffiths pointed out that Bowman was the same FBI agent who sabotaged the FISA warrant for the Moussaoui computer.
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Let me just throw something out here concerning the anthrax.
We reported here from sources in Washington that the White House, much of the cabinet, and Bush's employees, staff, were on Cipro, the anthrax-fighting antibiotic.
Ari Fleischer, In a press conference, months after, did admit that indeed the President and much of his cabinet were on Cipro on September 11th.
That is three plus weeks before Anthrax popped up in Boca Raton, Florida at American Media, the place where they'd written the story and gotten the photos of the drunk Bush daughters and reportedly had more, but the archives got seized because they'd been salted with Anthrax.
The feds said Daschle and other enemies get it, other enemies in the media get it, It creates a total hysteria.
Much of the Capitol office buildings are shut down.
We're going to walk through that with a real expert who's written a book on the subject and who helped write our biological weapons laws, Dr. Francis A. Boyle, who we're really honored to have on with us.
Yeah, I mean, we look at motive, then we look at how they tried to cover it up, and then we look at How they now claim that, oh, you can read this in your basement and anybody can do this.
I mean, let's walk through it.
Let's go back to where you were at, Doctor, talking about you discovered that this FBI agent you're talking to is the one involved in other cover-ups.
And he, as I was reading through his books, He identified Bowman, the same guy I was dealing with, this very high-level official at the FBI on terrorism and counterterrorism, as the exact same FBI agent in Washington who had sabotaged the FISA warrant request from the office up there in Minneapolis to get access to Moussaoui's computer.
And if they had access to Moussaoui's computer, Uh, they very well might have been able to head off, uh, September 11th.
Sure, and we have the other agents saying they were told, do not investigate this in Phoenix, in Chicago, in Dallas, and I've even interviewed some of those agents, and then after the fact, they were told they'd be arrested if they told the press what they knew, and FBI agent Robert Wright on national television on C-SPAN said, all I can tell you is, the Bush's vacation with the Bin Ladens.
Right, so Bowman was the same guy, and as Griffith pointed out, later on he was promoted and given a decoration.
And as I suggest in my book, I guess he's promoted and given a decoration because he did such a fine job on Moussaoui's computer, and also on the Anthrax.
Now, this pattern of behavior repeats itself.
As you know, about a year ago, in February, the Bush administration puts up a renewal of the USA Patriot Act, which was expiring in accordance with its terms after five years, and again it was being stalled and delayed by Senator Russ Feingold and others in the Senate.
All of a sudden, out of nowhere, censors in the U.S.
Senate House Office, Hart Office Building, begin to go off and detect a nerve agent.
Right, and that is then how they ran through the USA Patriot Act itself, because the opposition by Senator Leahy and Daschle, whom they tried to kill, disappeared.
And so they rammed it through, and indeed, even the House itself officially shut down.
I believe probably the first time in the history of this republic.
The Senate refused to shut down.
Basically, I say that this is the greatest political crime ever in the history of this Well, I agree.
Now Bush, this is key though, now Bush has been using his executive force over the Federal Marshals and Capitol Police and now we've seen on TV, remember when the backfire happened with a car and so they thought it was a shooting and guys running up with guns on national TV telling Senators and House members, no, you're not doing an interview on TV outside the Capitol.
Move and move now.
Now these little nobody goons are above our representatives.
Well that's my point, is we see executive sharks circling the legislative now, claiming this authority, while meanwhile in the Military Authorization Act of 2007, in the Military Commissions Act, we also see them claiming a dictatorial power.
So we see them exercising it with signing statements, executive orders, exercising it physically with federal forces, Exercising it in everything they do, they're trying to build a dictatorship and set the precedent.
Well that's right, and I point that out in Biowarfare and Terrorism, and also in my previous book last year, Destroying World Order.
And remember, in that first USA Patriot Act, already sitting on Ashcroft's desk before September 11th, and you know before September 11th, Ashcroft was flying around in a private jet, because he was told there was going to be a terrorist attack with airplanes.
So all this had been planned.
And they were going to move to suspend the writ of habeas corpus, which is all that really separates us from a police state.
And that is what they have done now with respect to enemy combatants.
Now let's be clear on the trick they play, and you're a leading lawyer and legal expert on many facets, but a lot of law professors and others, but I read it day one when it passed, even before the LA Times made its pronouncement, And I looked at it, and in clear, the trick they play is, when they arrest you, they say you're an enemy combatant, you're instantly stripped of U.S.
citizenship just by the President, the Defense Secretary, or his designate, so then they can say, oh no, we don't do this to U.S.
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Well, yeah, because when they grab you, you're no longer a U.S.
These Federalist Society lawyers, of which Din is a member, are arguing that the fourteenth amendment does not really mean what it says it says and uh... therefore they can strip us of our U.S.
citizenship and professors you at Berkeley who is a war criminal on the faculty there has argued the exact same point.
So you do have these, Alex you're correct, these memoranda are there and indeed we also have members of the Bush administration who have publicly stated That Korematsu is still good law by the Supreme Court, which is technically correct.
It's never been overturned.
So, in other words, they're taking the position that at some point in time, if they want to, they can unilaterally round up United States native-born citizens, as they did for Japanese-Americans in World War II, and stick us into concentration camps.
So it's clear the Bush people, I guess they're waiting for some other terrorist attack, another anthrax attack, who knows what, and then they will proceed to invoke these emergency orders, right.
This guy, because you've worked around these people, you've worked at the highest levels.
I'm trying to understand the mindset of Hitler would torture people and have mass murder engaged in, and prosecute genocide, but he wasn't public about it.
We look at John Yoo, I guess adding an addendum to the Gonzales torture memo saying we can squeeze children's Parts, sexual organs with pliers.
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And John Yoo goes, yeah, the president has that power.
And they come over here, and in order to get ahead, they adopt totalitarian practices, and they really don't know the first thing about what American democracy is supposed to be all about.
But those are two of the key people here, be it on the Patriot Act 1 and 2, which would have stripped us of our U.S.
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And then you, who is a war criminal and should be prosecuted, as well as Professor Goldsmith at Harvard Law School, where I went to show you how sick the whole system is.
I was told that Harvard Law School was considering hiring Professor Goldsmith, who's a colleague of you and Dink, and was up to his nose in torture, war crimes, disappearances, etc.
And I made sure the entire faculty knew that this guy was up to his keister in torture, war crimes, disappearances, whatever, and they hired him anyway.
And the dean of the law school then said how proud she was to have hired this guy, and when the Washington Post published one of his smoking guns, she repeated that, that she was really proud.
So what we see also Is infiltration, not just of the legal profession, but of legal education.
And the Nazis did the exact same thing, too.
They had their lawyers infiltrating law schools.
One of the worst of the Nazi jurisprudence, Carl Schmitt, and he was the mentor to Leo Strauss, the founder of the neoconservatives.
So, the same phenomena that started out in Nazi Germany is happening here.
And I exaggerate not, I have here in front of me the classic work by Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, where she did the definitive study of Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia.
And on page 145 she says, quote, the first essential step on the road to total domination is to kill theoretical person in man, unquote.
That's exactly what this category of enemy combatants developed by you and Goldsmith did and these other federal... You're talking about dehumanization.
It's unbelievable that in the United States they could do something like this.
The good news is there is a huge backlash against them.
80 plus percent of Americans in almost every poll you look at, it could be 80, 84, 86, depending on the scientific poll, hate these people, but they don't seem to care.
And now the Democrats have come to power, and it looks like they're just going to gladly take the new powers, the unlawful powers that have been, quote, given to the presidency, and just continue running with it, Professor.
I think that's correct, and I'm a political independent myself, I always have been, but it looks like the Democrats are just going to roll over and play dead.
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Doctor, going back to the Anthrax case, you're going public, you've written a book about this, clearly it's an inside job, clearly a cover-up.
I think we have to keep the pressure on Senator Leahy.
He will, apparently becoming the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, he will have subpoena power and investigative power, and they did try to kill him.
So, if anyone would have motivation to try to get to the bottom of this, it would be Senator Leahy.
But to give your listeners an idea of the police state tactics going on here, In the summer of 2004, an FBI agent and an agent with the CIA-FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force in Springfield showed up at my office and proceeded to interrogate me for one hour and tried to get me to become an informant on my Arab and Muslim clients.
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That's right, and Americans... Even Cuba wasn't this bad when I went down to Cuba 20 years ago.
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