Alex Jones and guests Bill Christensen, Jonathan Mosley, James Fetzer, and Peter Dale Scott debate the 9-11 attacks as an orchestrated inside job involving a shadow government, COG, and CIA manipulation of Muslim fundamentalists. They cite evidence like Building 7's collapse, NORAD failures, and whistleblower testimonies to refute official narratives, while accusing the Bush administration of covering up steel tests and global domination plots. The discussion extends to academic freedom battles over Professor Stephen Jones and alleges that the events were a premeditated strike to suspend the Constitution and control oil resources. [Automatically generated summary]
I'm grieving for our country, the police state it's turning into, how the war on terror is being used to dismantle our Constitution, the drumbeat for war with Iran.
I want to get your take on all of that and why you've been questioning the official story of 9-11, but first, tell us about Bill Christensen.
Okay, I did work for the CIA for, oh my goodness, 28 and a half years or so, but I've been long retired.
Retired in 1979.
And I have to confess to something.
I'm a neophyte in this entire business of studying and comprehending, trying to comprehend better, what happened on September 11, 2001.
And I have to confess to you, and I know you are one of those who has worked his heart out on this issue a lot longer than I have, and you probably know a lot
A lot more about it than I do, but up to half a year ago, I just wasn't buying any of the concepts that you and a number of others have been urging and advocating, because I just couldn't conceive that this country had any elements in its government
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And ultimately, just about half a year ago, I decided, well, too many people are talking about this for me to sort of sit here in my little ivory tower and say, I don't believe it.
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You know, I'm not pleased or proud with my own activity over the last half dozen years, over five years since September 11th, that it took me this long to wise up.
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Bill Christensen is our guest.
And for stations that just joined us, I want to recap some of the things that we just talked about today.
Bill Christensen is a former senior official of the CIA, Central Intelligence Agency.
He was a National Intelligence Officer and the Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis before his retirement in 1979.
And he has been writing and lecturing for many years and doing a lot of radio interviews on the subject of our foreign policy.
But in the last six months, he has begun to research 9-11.
He couldn't bring himself to believe that the official story could be a fraud.
He just talked about that in the last segment.
And this is the first time he's gone public on radio with the serious concerns that he has concerning an inside job.
And we're extremely honored that he's chosen to do that here with us today.
And we appreciate his patriotism in defense of this republic.
Sir, this is a longer segment, so we've got more time.
Can you go back through and then expand on your awakening process, where you began to research?
where you began to look at the official story and discover that it was a fable.
And then I want to tie it into the Iraq War.
And we talked during the break, and we discussed how 9-11 has really been a foundational event for the entire geopolitical strategy that's being carried out by the neocons and their corporate owners and handlers.
Anyway, though, I spent the first four and a half years after September 11 just not willing to believe in the possibility that the story, the official stories we were being given about what happened on 9-11 the official stories we were being given about what happened on 9-11 could in any way be I just wasn't going to believe that about our own Government.
And ultimately, just about half a year ago, it dawned on me that not only was I trying to avoid an issue that might be extraordinarily important, more important than any other issue affecting U.S.
policies, but that I hadn't even been studying the issue because I just decided it couldn't be true, so therefore, don't waste your time on it, Bill.
So I started to spend my time on it about half a year ago, and a few people whom I knew encouraged me to do that.
A lot of people told me they thought I was ridiculous to be wasting my time on that, but I have since decided that the, and this is after a good deal of heartache on my part, and a good deal of
Wondering how this country could have gone so badly wrong when I then came to see that at least some elements in this U.S.
government of ours had contributed in some way or other to causing 9-11 to happen, or at least allowing it to happen, making it easier for it to happen,
Making sure it happened in a way that would be very, very impressive to the world at large and would, in fact, be seen as another Pearl Harbor type of event that changed everything about the United States 65 years ago.
Yeah, well, I guess when you use the word epiphany you mean it's something that sort of happens instantly or overnight or something like that.
So I'm not using that word epiphany, but just simply the more that I read about and tried to understand everything that had happened on 9-11 and saw
All the objections to the official story that people such as you and a number of others who had really been working sort of in the wilderness on this for the whole time since September 11, or shortly thereafter, the more I began to read and study, the more I discovered that I just had to conclude, yes indeed, there were
Parts, at least parts, of the official story issued by the U.S.
government and issued by the long, over 500 page report of the 9-11 Commission, there were parts of those official stories.
If you study the official story, they constantly change their story, they lie, and there's hundreds of points.
The FBI grabbing the flight recorders and telling the firemen that found it to shut up, ordering the FAA to shred tapes, public officials warn not to fly, NORAD, Clearly standing down.
Cheney in control.
Two months before taking the shoot-down powers away from NORAD for the first time since NORAD was set up.
CIA-connected insider trading.
All the Bin Laden connections.
The bizarre collapses of Tower 1, 2, and 7.
I mean, there's this whole field of questions.
Then we have the PMAC documents where Cheney and others are writing that we need a helpful Pearl Harbor event, a catalyzing event.
Brzezinski's saying it.
We've now discovered An Air Force document from 97, Gulliver's prevails where they're saying we need a massive terror attack in 2002 to unify the US for global empire.
I mean, what was it out of that field?
And of course there's hundreds of other points.
I guess my question is first, You've been denying it, avoiding it, not looking at it.
What did you first see, or when did you finally say, okay, I'll look at it, and then what was that process like, and what were the points that were really most important to you?
You know, I guess the very first thing that made me really wonder was, and this is, I suppose, kind of elementary to you, but the size of the hole that was made in the Pentagon.
And there was a picture in the New York Times the very next day, September 12th of 2001.
And so I guess that was point number one with me.
Now this is just sort of coincidence, I suppose.
Which issue do you look at first?
And then when you begin to read all of the details, and by the way, I have to tell you that David Gray Griffin's books have been an immense help to me because he has done a very careful job of writing this up and his views have gradually grown stronger from his first book to the current one, which I had just completed.
Well, yeah, I know, I know he is, and he's gotten, his views have become stronger, and you just have to look at that guy, and you know he is not a fly-by-night analyst by any stretch of the imagination.
He probably has the kind of personality which does everything with great care and caution.
That's kind of my reading of him.
And so, in any case, His stuff has had some influence on me.
But, you know, after what happened at the Pentagon, you begin to read up on the evidence behind the belief that the reason the two towers in New York actually collapsed and fell all the way to the ground was controlled explosions.
Rather than just being hit by two airplanes and that there's a third building that the 9-11 Commission apparently never even mentioned that also collapsed all the way to ground.
And all of the characteristics of these explosions show that they almost had to be controlled
rather than something that happened because they're hit by an airplane and here you have one of the three buildings that collapsed not hit by any airplane so that was number two and then you start looking at all the NORAD stuff and the way the 9-11 commission handled the hour and 45 minutes or so when not a single one of these planes according to the official story Was it ever intercepted?
Maybe Flight 93 was intercepted in Western Pennsylvania, but this kind of evidence just builds and builds and builds.
Yeah, you're absolutely right, and there are, as I started this off by saying, I was a neophyte compared to you and a number of other people, and that's absolutely true.
I know out there, because I've heard of it, that there are a lot of things I haven't even studied yet.
Well let me be clear on this Bill, you're here because you're a great former CIA analyst, and it's a story of your courage now going public, and another example, another prominent person who has a prestigious past looking at the evidence and questioning it very strongly.
So listen, you are not a neophyte.
We appreciate you coming to the table and looking at the evidence.
We're going to come right back.
I want to talk about how 9-11 was used for foreign policy.
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He was National Intelligence Officer and the Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis before his retirement.
And he wouldn't look at 9-11 for four years.
And then six, seven months ago, he began to research it and didn't like what he found.
Believe me, I don't like it either.
I try to war game against myself in our research.
I try to disprove it.
Believe me, I don't want to think this is true.
I love our country.
I don't want to think a bunch of psychopathic killers are in control.
But when you look at Operation Northwoods and PNAC documents, and then you look at all the evidence, physical on 9-11, there's no other.
I mean, if you really rationally study it, which I've done for thousands of hours over the years, it is horrifying.
I've made three films on the subject, and I've written a book on the subject, and it's just terrible.
Mr. Christensen, also, I want to get your take on, we've been lied to about WMDs, the documents have come out, White House memo that they premeditatedly lied, not just Downing Street memo.
We know that over three trillion dollars is missing from the Pentagon in the last seven years, and I've seen congressional testimony where Rumsfeld says, we're not going to tell you where it is.
There is mass no-bid contract looting going on.
There are all sorts of scandals going on, but I mean, really, I see a dictatorship forming here, but we've been lied to so many times in the past by these people, and they've done so many horrible things, and they've lied us into war that's killed 3,000 U.S.
troops now, more than died on 9-11.
I mean, it's not much of a stretch from the get-go to believe that criminal elements of our government wouldn't be involved in 9-11.
No, and you simply have to ask yourself, where did all this come from?
You almost have to answer your own question now.
Well, it came from the events of 9-11.
And even if there is only a 10% chance that elements of the U.S.
government were involved in contributing to 9-11, making sure that those events worked more effectively than they might have otherwise
It is just appalling the conclusion you come to that elements within our own government are responsible not only for the deaths that occurred on September 11, but responsible for terribly bad policies throughout the entire
Middle East and those policies are still being pursued and all of this is going to hurt the United States of America.
Very badly, and not just a few years to come, but in decades to come.
Yeah, it's destroying our good name, our economy, but it's good for the oil companies and the arms manufacturers, and they're international.
They don't care about this country.
They're the ones signing on to the North American Union right now, trying to get rid of the country itself.
Mr. Christensen, before we go to break, I want to get your personal view, though.
Clearly, you've done the research you've said on air.
The official story is a fraud.
We know who had the motive for 9-11.
But as David Ray Griffin has said, when you then look at all the facts and lay them side by side, a very clear picture emerges of not just letting it happen or aiding it.
The evidence emerges that this was coordinated and clearly run out of the bowels of a quasi-private slash governmental black operations, black world system.
Give us your view with a You know, I think the odds are that Griffin is right and that it is a total inside job.
say the four or five scenarios that Griffin uses, he says he believes it's the latter, pure inside job.
What do you think with all the evidence laid in the end? - You know, I think the odds are that Griffin is right and that it is a total inside job.
I can conceive of a situation, and this is where we need, we just need more evidence, but it's gonna come out.
I can conceive of a situation where we, the U.S.
government, learned in advance that September 11 was going to take place.
And instead of instigating the whole thing, the U.S.
government, or elements in the U.S.
government, who are nameless at this point, took the information That this was going to happen and made sure by their own actions that it happened in the most effective way possible.
And ordering the Air Force somehow to not go after these planes and Uh, the whole business of the three billion dollars, I'm sorry, the three trillion dollars... Stay there, stay there.
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The reason it's so important To spread the word about 9-11 is because when you consciously realize that cold-blooded killers are in control and have seized control, have hijacked our government, elements of our government, and are using it to domestically set up a police state, to internationally turn us into an empire and invade foreign countries, and then hand over the seized assets to multinational corporations.
When you realize that, you understand that we're trying to save lives here, the lives of our troops, The bodies of our troops, you know, countless others being wounded and maimed and triple and double and quad amputees.
At the same time, justice for those that have been killed.
The media loves to... I had the BBC here last week and they're like, what about the victims' families?
They don't like what you're saying!
And I say to them, I've interviewed many of the victims' family members here.
I've interviewed the heads of the biggest groups, like Bill Doyle of the biggest group, 7,000 plus family members.
And he believes it's an inside job.
He said the majority of his group does.
So again, when the media tries that, come back at them with the truth.
Those dead deserve for the true individuals that helped orchestrate this to be brought to justice.
And we're not safe, folks.
The same people that will carry out a terror attack will take your pension funds.
The same people that will carry out a terror attack will stage other terror attacks to expand their control.
I mean, Bush is openly talking about dictatorship.
He's openly talking about FEMA camps and the Houston Chronicle.
They're openly talking about total control.
We are literally Going down the road towards Hitler's Germany, or the East Germans, or Stalin.
And that is the norm in human history.
Freedom and liberty is a precious, precious rare commodity.
Now I'm up here preaching.
I want to go back to our guest, Bill Christensen.
But Bill, and of course you're a former big-time analyst for the CIA, heading up one of their entire research divisions.
But putting your analytical skills and your analysis skills to work here, Not just internationally, but the domestic police state we see unfolding and the announcements by the mouthpieces on Fox News that people who criticize the government are really traitors and should be arrested.
I'm a traitor.
I should be arrested and shot.
I'm probably Al Qaeda.
Stuff like this.
I mean, can you comment just on the overall atmosphere and what our country's turned into?
Yeah, you know, you just have to sometimes stick your neck out.
And that's what you have done.
Others have done a lot longer than I have, and I admire you for doing it, and I'm sorry I've been so slow in doing it.
The fact is, as we were talking a little bit earlier, David Griffin believes this ball is totally an inside job.
I've got to say, I think that is the most likely possibility, too.
I would say some of the people involved, obviously, May have had some subsidiary motives like the man in New York who owned a Building 7 and had a lease on the other two and had a great big new insurance policy that he had bought just a little bit before what happened on September 7th.
Yeah, and then there at the Pentagon, $2.3 trillion somehow Lost and very conveniently all of the evidence of that seems to have been Have been damaged or totally ruined?
It was starting to break and I think somebody simply decided to capitalize knowing that 9-11 was going to happen and maybe was already being instigated by the U.S.
or maybe the U.S.
just taking advantage of it.
I'm not sure on this.
I think Probably the total inside job is the most likely possibility, but I'm just holding my judgment on that.
There's obviously a whale of a lot of that going on, and that never happened in my time when I was officially working.
I'm really pretty much of an old geezer these days, but this privatization of so much of the intelligence establishment, so much of the military establishment, just opens up greater possibilities for fraud.
I don't see how we're saving any money by going that route, frankly.
Except that they're gambling that they're going to win.
And the next step is very likely to be an attack on Iraq, either nuclear or non-nuclear.
And we, you and I, can't sit here and say for sure.
We know they've overextended themselves.
They can't win this.
We don't, you and I, at least I, don't really have a good feel If we have a group of people willing to actually use nuclear weapons on Iran, introducing an entire new element into the situation, crossing this massive threshold of using nuclear weapons... Super Rubicon!
And neither you nor I can sit here and say, We know for sure that the arrogant guys who are doing this are sure to lose.
You and I, at least I, can't say that.
I hope they're going to lose, and I think they're going to lose, and they're going to create a world of such chaos that in the end, yes, they will lose.
But the thing is, if they lose only over a long period of time, And kill thousands upon thousands of people in the process because they think shock and awe is the way to go.
We have a whole bunch of top generals, even former Republicans, going public saying this is sheer madness.
We have large sections of the elite, even at globalist meetings like the Bilderberg Group, yelling at each other across the tables.
For the first time in history, there's a major split, even in the Anglo-American power axis.
And take Cy Hirsch and even the Times of London.
We have so many whistleblowers that within days, Of Cheney having a meeting with the top Israeli brass saying Bush wants us to be a curtain raiser for war with Iran within days.
So that shows that people at the highest levels are leaking right now at a great danger to themselves with the NSA's snooping arms aimed at them.
Can you speak to that?
I think that is another Achilles heel that there are so many people Unnamed, who aren't going public like yourself, who are in the mechanisms, in the machinery of power that are going to blow the whistle.
They've got their back against the wall and they're already starting to blow it up larger.
And we ought to, right now, today and every single day, be out there in the streets and just raising holy hell
about this because you know you can say okay Hitler actually had to lose once he started the invasion of Soviet Union but the fact is millions and millions of people died in the process of that and one of the things we ought to be doing is out there trying to stop the same thing from happening we are going to have another world war
Very likely, if the United States and or Israel, or the two of them combined, start a bigger war, even if it's not nuclear, it's going to be a bigger war.
Iran, as I'm sure you know, has a population of 70 million people.
And they've been building up their weapons for the last...
15, 16 years since the Iran-Iraq war ended.
They weren't bombed into stone age as Iraq was in 1991.
I hope people realize we literally stand at the crossroads, at the threshold of history right now, the next two months to the next year, but sooner rather than later, many analysts believe.
With so many analysts, the majority of analysts, globally, not just in the US, and people inside the administration saying, back off, don't do it.
I mean, even if they just do a conventional bombardment of the 214 sites in Iran, all of the mainstream oil analysts are saying that we're going to see $6 a gallon gas for at least four or five months.
If that happens, it is the mainstream analysis that we're going to go into a violent recession that could spiral into stagflation and possible depression.
Yeah, and you know, as well as I do, The oil companies of this country and the world really don't want that.
That is, all of these people who go around saying, we're doing this for oil, well, in a very indirect sense, we're doing it to get more control of the world's energy supplies.
I understand that, everybody understands that, but the oil companies don't want war with Iran any more than You and I want it.
have even gone over, and I believe this information has come out and told them, back off, but the neocons aren't.
I mean, they are, well I've talked to a lot of people who've worked with them, Ray McGovern and many others, I don't know how much you've worked with them, but I mean, these people really are nutcases.
They're not backing off at all, and we cannot sit here, you and I, and say, we know that They're going to lose this if they do start this war because we don't know what effect a major nuclear attack would have.
Well, look, I'm dead sure that there are people both in our own military-industrial complex and people in the smaller but still very powerful and large Israeli military-industrial complex who work closely together, day after day, month after month.
This, right now, is joint U.S.-Israeli policy.
And they're doing it for profit.
They're doing it because they think this is the way to maximize their own profits.
If they start World War III, the Allied Defense contractors, hardware manufacturers are going to be able to steer even more of the economy through their coppers and then use the domestic police state in the name of security to then also service all those contracts.
So they enslave us, they enslave the world, and then they make the profits off of the domestic police state as well.
And eventually they lose because no empire is going to last long in this day and age in the world today When the world is so much smaller than it used to be in terms of communications, the way you can spend money... Why do you think the government... Well, I agree.
And we, I can't say this, and I know I'm repeating myself, I can't say it more than that we've got to get out there and somehow turn aside this apathy that most people in this country seem to have on this.
Well, we've had it too good, too long, and decadent, fat countries always get taken over by dictators, and people always pay for their apathy.
We'll come back and take some calls for our guest, an incredible interview.
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I would just like to know if he talked about this with others and what were their response to him and also what would he say to the CIA or NSA that are listening right now to this radio show and also if he could talk about what would happen to the CIA that might have been involved and if they talk about classified missions and I'll let you guys answer.
And the first thing you've got to understand is I've been retired for a lot of years.
I've been out of Washington since 1979 and don't really want to go back there either.
But all I can really say is that there is so much money now sloshing around Throughout not only the CIA, but the intelligence components of the Defense Department, which are actually bigger than the CIA.
Well, in comparison with the amount of money spent, yes, it is really amazingly small, but the fact is there's so much money around that these guys can do Almost anything they want these days.
Now, this is, again, I haven't been there for a lot of years.
Probably the reason I'm willing right now to stick my neck out is one, I've been retired for a long time, I got no more kids to go through college, I got no more big expenses in my life, I have no desire to go any higher in my status in life or be any richer than I am right now.
It's easy, it's easy for me at my age To stick my neck out?
Because we have a foreign enemy who has attacked us, and has been attacking us since 1979, and hit the World Trade Center in 1993, and tells us they want to kill us again and again.
And instead of Um, looking at the people who really killed them, uh, we, they want to use it for a political point to, uh, to bash George Bush and, and blame our country.
You know, it's awfully easy to talk about technicalities.
Mr. Mosley, you can go out and find crazy people that think no planes hit the towers and then try to strawman claim them that we, quote, keep changing our story.
I haven't changed my story from before 9-11.
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Mr. Mosley, you've got the floor, you've written this big article, 9-1-1 Bush-bashers.
Tell us how we're all wrong, tell us why we're smirching, profaning, to use your language, the memory of the 3,000 dead on 9-11.
Well, one of the biggest things that upsets me about this is that the effect of this is to not guard us against a real enemy.
Now, if there are other enemies and other people we need to bring to justice, that's fine.
But we know we have an enemy out there that wants to kill us.
And the effect of this is saying, drop your guard.
It's like a boxer letting his guard down so he can get walloped again.
Now, I know that from your perspective, you don't want to be blamed for what other conspiracy theorists are saying about this.
And one of the points I make is that there's a mishmash of different theories out there.
And as a consequence of that, people say, oh, there's overwhelming evidence.
But the overwhelming evidence is all contradicting each other.
From your perspective, you want to be held accountable for your beliefs, but from the perspective of the country and people listening, they're hearing it all.
I don't know how to respond to that, but we keep hearing all this craziness go back and forth, and it does keep changing when they encounter facts, they just switch to another argument.
There is only one official story, but there's hundreds of alternatives, which of course can't all be wrong.
But the thing is, is that There are several formats here of what happened.
What got me into this, you know, considering what their memory of Barbara Olsen, who I knew, is to hear these facts being asserted.
And then you go back and you check on them, and the initial fact turns out to be false.
Now, I don't know, that might not be true of your arguments, but it's true of an awful lot of the stuff out there.
Beginning with the idea that, you know, there's a 16-foot hole in the Pentagon, when the engineers measured it at 90 feet, and there's hundreds of eyewitnesses.
And this kind of thing.
So there's this structure of an assertion of fact and then a whole bunch of arguments flowing from it.
Go back and check the fact.
Turns out not to hold up.
The other thing is that what bothers me most is that people say, well, this is not plausible.
They then suggest something that's infinitely less plausible.
That there are thousands of people with no motivation to keep quiet who've all kept silent, including civilian radar operators and airline personnel.
The airlines lost billions of dollars.
It's just completely implausible.
If you're going to argue from the idea that something is not plausible, I think the alternative needs to stand up to your own yardstick.
Okay, stop right there, because you said three minutes, and I want to run over what you just said briefly, and then I'll let you continue to spout that stuff.
Number one, you say people wouldn't keep quiet.
FBI agent Robert Wright got up on C-SPAN at the National Press Club and held up a letter where he'll be threatened under national security for treason.
If he tells the public what he knows, he begins crying and breaks down and says, all I can tell you is, the Bush's vacation with the Bin Ladens.
That's a quote.
And then we get the memorandum from the President, W199I, ordering The FBI and CIA and Defense Intelligence, Able Danger, which we now have even more on, to back off the Bin Laden operations in Hamas and Hezbollah, as well as HU Khan Laboratories in Pakistan developing hydrogen weapons and delivery systems, and it's now all on record.
And I'm sure with that you'll say it doesn't exist.
I'm sorry, everything I just said does exist in triplicate mainstream news.
Also, There were countless other FBI and other government people who were threatened with arrest if they wouldn't shut up.
When a colonel blew the whistle, they tried to charge him for $67 of unauthorized cell phone calls to his wife.
This is the type of stuff that's going on.
They threaten civil Edmonds with arrest.
All of this, so just don't try it.
Also, don't try to say they couldn't keep something this big secret.
They used drills to smokescreen it, compartmentalize inside these different government agencies, and they kept the Manhattan Project secret with over 100,000 employees for four years, and other facets of it secret.
For over a decade.
Then you say Pentagon, which I've always said is a honeypot by design, and I haven't messed with it, but I've stated on record that clearly what they show on the news is a 16-foot hole.
Then it collapses, and it is 75 to 95 feet, depending on which thing you talk about.
Then you talk about how we have all these different stories, but the government has one unified story.
They've given five different reasons for Building 7 falling.
Now they say they don't know why.
They said there were no steel columns in the middle of Tower 1 and 2, and they have the biggest columns you can put in a building that size.
47 4-foot-round giant steel reinforced columns.
You've got the entire commission being called independent, being appointed by George Bush.
You've got a bunch of the commission on the Carlisle Group payroll, Zellacal and the rest of them.
I'm going to stop right there and I'm just going to add that a lot of these people putting out the no planes at the Pentagon thing, I predicted stuff like this would happen.
This is a classic setup where they put out ridiculous disinfo on purpose, building straw men, a lot of these are operatives, so then you guys can come discredit false stories.
It would take a few hundred devices in Tower 1, which is larger explosives, and it would take several hundred devices in Building 7 with the classic bottom-down, uh, crimp blow.
Major companies could have wired each one of those towers in two weeks apiece.
They had major drills, they had evacuations, they had major floors closed down, they had all sorts of weird people.
I've talked to the janitorial staff that were in there, just like Oklahoma City that Clinton pulled off when they caught the different guys in there with the, quote, grey sticks of butter drilling the columns.
Okay, but you couldn't synchronize different floors that way with... Have you ever tried to take a radio inside of a... No, you have different layers on different radio frequencies.
Have you ever tried to take a radio inside of a big steel building?
Wait a minute, Building 7 was the classic where you blow out the central column, then you blow out the outside columns, and it falls in on itself perfectly.
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I would just add on the imploding and falling buildings.
No modern steel building had ever collapsed from fire.
He claims one that did, but that was a separate, smaller, older construction.
And, I mean, you know, top scientists, the University of Edinburgh is on record in BBC saying one's never fallen.
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And we had the Madrid fire with 100-foot white-hot flames.
When you talk about three in one day, that's language of randomness, which indicates that there must be a causal element.
There is.
There's a terrorist attack that hit it that affected all three so that's not surprising but the thing is is The McCormick, look, people say no building ever fell from fire alone.
I got on the internet five minutes later, it came up with a dozen that have partially or totally collapsed.
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I sent him an email and asked him about his background because he was acting in such an obsessive, compulsive fashion.
And I truly believe this had to be a child.
In fact, I would insist that this man, he may be older, but he acts like a child.
And I suggest that this person, if I had to guess, was about 15 years old, very bright, probably Jewish, possibly a resident of Brooklyn, attending a scientific technological high school.
Who believes he's superior to everyone else and has an obsession to try to prove it, but I was commenting on his behavior, not the subject of his speech.
Second of all, here's a couple of examples of the shoddy quality of his argument.
He says the Twin Towers can't have come down as a result of controlled demolition because they blow out the first and second floors so the building falls down into its own footprint.
But I pointed out to him online, before he published this article, that was an equivocation He's just talking about the standard kind of controlled demolition, as in the case of Building 7.
I pointed out then and emphasized, we're talking about a special kind of controlled demolition.
It's still a controlled demolition, just because it's from the top down.
Well, but that's stupid because... Mr. Moley, let me say something.
Sir, we say that because the firefighters reported bombs and explosions, and they reported squibs, and on all the videos, 7, 1, and 2, you see the blast points, sir.
I mean, if you don't have to... That's like saying, if you have a theory of the speed of light, and just because ten people are wrong about their theory, including the government's story, one of them is right.
So, yeah, to say, because there's an argument, every form of science and research and, you know, detectives at a cop shop, they're going to be disagreeing, but somebody's going to be right.
Well, sir, can you specifically, going back to Jones, can you specifically tell us where, well, number one, you are saying here that he agreed with the overthrow of the government, and I've watched those tapes over and over again.
Yes, he was asked, is there a way to achieve our goals without a violent overthrow?
He then echoed the Declaration of Independence preamble, which is a call for revolution, by deliberately echoing the language and format, which is an argument for revolution, and then ended up saying, there is no peaceful way to achieve our means.
The firefighters reported that in both towers the fires were almost out and to call up more ladders to save the people and there were people standing in the holes right for minutes waiting for help without burning or without being singed Begging for helicopter rescue that never came, inches away from pillars, that seconds later, as they talked on cell phones, blew up.
Now go ahead, we gotta give him some time, go ahead and finish up what you were saying, Jonathan.
The same underwriters lab, in their study of World Trade Center, cited McCormick Place and other, a dozen other steel structures that have partially or completely failed.
For the proposition, in Underwriters Lab's view, that structural steel does melt.
It's a steel structure with an intricate lattice, redundant support system.
It was very sophisticated.
It cannot have suffered from a pancake kind of collapse.
I got a structural engineer on this website to correct him on McCormick Place and on the capacity of the Twin Towers to subject to pancake collapse.
He simply ignores it.
When this guy is corrected, he just goes ahead and repeats his own phony arguments, whether they commit equivocation or logical blunders or no matter what.
He has the mind of a 15-year-old and he's obsessed to prove himself correct, no matter how wrong he may be.
Well, sir, listen, the University of Edinburgh, with their top engineers, for a month every day, tried to burn down a 24-story steel building, similar construction.
They couldn't get anything to even weaken.
All they could get was sheetrock to cave in.
They burned it day after day.
BBC just aired it.
They said they couldn't believe the Tower 1, 2, and 7 fell.
That's why they did the major study.
Now, I'm going to stop you.
And there are a lot of other engineers saying this.
Kevin Ryan is saying this.
Countless others are saying this.
And I don't understand how.
Listen, it's been well known that buildings are safe.
Listen, listen, listen, Edinburgh's doing these tests because they say this changes insurance everything.
If buildings will suddenly collapse from kerosene, coal-burning fuel, black, burning, you know, smoke, low-oxygen flames, and you can run through this stuff, if this is the case, then the laws of physics have been suspended.
I've pointed out repeatedly that Frank DiMartini, who was the construction manager on the World Trade Center, had observed that they were designed to withstand the impact of the largest then commercial airliner, Boeing 707.
Two of them.
Yeah, whose impact, he said, would be analogous to sticking a pencil through mosquito netting.
Now, this guy either doesn't know any better, in which case he's incompetent, or he knows better, in which case he's corrupt.
If you get a burst of that fuel burned off in the giant fireball... They've done analysis, sir, of the pounds per square inch pressure generated by that fuel detonating, and it is thousands of times too weak to even blow out the smallest columns.
That's ridiculous.
No.
We know exactly how much C4 it takes, properly jacketed, to cut columns.
Yeah, you would have had that damage, even if you believe your phony science, and then it would have broken off or slumped or bent.
It wouldn't go boom, boom, boom and blow off in clear little easy sections.
Is Barry Homish still there?
Hold on just a second, guys.
Is Barry Homish still there?
Barry Homish is a writer written for major papers in Israel.
I believe he's here in the U.S.
I'm just going to give him a minute or so.
I don't even know what subject he's calling in on.
Then I'll let both of you gentlemen continue to the end of the hour.
Please stay with us, Fetzer and Mosley.
Barry Chomish, thank you for coming on with us.
What's on your mind?
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Look, the business of Jews and 9-11 and all that... Look, the architect of the World Trade Center is on my email list.
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Now, he always had difficulties with it, but now he's coming out and going public.
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Uh, he lives in Netanya, and now he, um, he's just saying that we designed the building to take any sort of a plane, and he doesn't believe the planes brought it down.
Well, I know Horat reported that Odogo did indeed warn its employees.
That's not an urban legend.
That's from Israel.
But I personally don't believe Israel could carry it out.
I certainly believe they knew what was going on.
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Well, I think that Mosley's last point well illustrates his incapacity to come to grips with the facts in this matter.
The plane that actually hit the building was very different than the 707s that they were designed to accommodate.
And in fact, precisely the opposite is the case.
I routinely lecture on this.
The physical properties, the mass, and even the fuel capacity of these planes are very comparable.
And I found at least three other engineers who agreed with Frank D. Martini that the buildings were constructed to withstand the impact of those airliners.
His point here is either deliberately deceiving us or he's utterly incompetent because he has no familiarity with the facts of the case.
But you keep implying by saying he's a philosophy professor that we don't have a bunch of scientists trained in engineering and physics that have come to the same conclusion.
He's emailed WorldNet daily and has said of the numerous false statements made in the article by John Mosley that you recently published, at least one should remain and result in legal action.
Anyone who actually listened to the C-SPAN broadcast and 9-11 Scholars Group can clearly hear that Mosley's quote of Stephen Jones is inaccurate to say the least.
Dr. Jones did not say that there is no peaceful way to achieve the group's goals, and Dr. Jones has not promoted violence in any of his presentations.
A correction of this libelous error might be wise choice.
Thanks, Kevin Ryan, UL Laboratories' former underwriter-engineer.
Millions of people thought I think this guy ought to be reported to the Board of Ethics that in his domain this is completely unethical and corrupt behavior.
Right now, I got so upset in the last segment talking about CBS News and New York Post admitting that thousands are already dead, hundreds are dying every few months.
They're testing their lungs.
It's full of asbestos and mercury.
The Feds even blocked funding and disability payments to the police and firemen.
I know I'm bad because I want the police and firemen to be taken care of.
I understand.
And you guys would machine gun my head in a second if the murderers that attacked us on 9-11 told you to.
I just, I can't understand it.
It's like some black slave licking the boots of their master.
You know, there was reports of the house slaves would go out and beat the other blacks out in the field.
You cops are the same way.
You make me sick.
I mean, there's no other way to even try to I'm about to go completely ape.
I'm not going to blow up, folks.
I don't have the energy to do it these days.
Going back to John Roberts and Matt Dayton.
They're going to have a protest down on UT campus this weekend.
On Monday, excuse me.
Tell us those times again, gentlemen, and then tell us your number or contact info for folks that want to help you flyer this weekend.
I guess there's something to it.
There's a UT game.
Go tailgate and get drunk.
And just wait for the government to blow up a Chicago with a nuke and then you can have your kids drafted and they can come back in body bags.
Don't go help these young men.
Go suck your thumbs at a UT football game.
Okay?
Don't be in a real war.
Go to a simulated war.
Go to a gladiatorial mind control operation.
I know I'm bad because I don't... I'm telling you to go to a protest.
I'm telling you to flyer this weekend instead of sucking your thumbs as the ship goes down.
Alright, John Roberts, Matt Dayton, fighting hard on the front lines.
How do folks get in contact with you now and help you flyer?
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The Salt Lake City newspaper, TV station, others are reporting that Professor Stephen Jones, last night, and I talked to him just about 30 minutes ago during a break, has been put on administrative paid leave.
He's still able to conduct research, but can't teach his classes.
This is a political pressure.
Later in the hour, I'm going to give out the number to the Dean and the number to the Chancellor at BYU.
This is outrageous of a highly respected, tenured professor who has had his findings of controlled demolition peer-reviewed.
Even NIST, the The federal body that studies this has given five different reasons the towers collapsed.
Now they're backing off saying they don't know why and bombs could have been in the buildings.
So they're running scared.
Kevin Ryan of Underwriting Laboratories, of course, did an internal test of the towers falling and said the official story was basically impossible.
He was told not to publish his findings even though he was doing that job for the company.
They canned him.
He was going to be popping in, Kevin Ryan at the end of this hour, to comment on what's happening.
And just so much more is going on.
So a man who knows a lot about academic freedom, he is Peter Dale Scott, but he's here to also talk about his new book on 9-11.
Mr. Scott, thank you for coming on with us.
This is really sad to see this happening.
These Nazis are really attempting to silence one of the key bastions of free speech that's left in this country.
I guess the colleges will be free speech zones now, huh?
Yes, and I think that, you know, some places it's more... I feel fairly secure in California, but, you know, we have this book that's just come out, edited by David Ray Griffin and myself, 9-11 and American Empire intellectuals speak out.
Well, one of the items in there is Morgan Reynolds talking about the pressure that is being put on.
He's a professor.
He's also interesting because he's a Republican who, you know, was a hero for the Reagan people at one time.
But he's been put under great pressure at Texas A&M, and he talks about that in his chapter.
And Kevin Ryan, who you just mentioned, his story, he has a chapter in our book as well.
Well, this is the man's career, you know, and I understand that they don't have tenure at BYU the way they do in most universities, so he has definitely risked his whole future, and this is a man who's doing serious research.
His other research is also controversial, but it's real.
Yes, well there is a lot of wild stuff, isn't there, going around.
He's a very decent man and he's been trying to be very flexible with the university.
We were concerned in the book because his chapter makes much better reading if you can actually see the videos and things that he refers to.
And if you go to his article on the web, then it's all hot-linked, so you can actually see World Trade Center going down and You just see how unlikely it was that it was destroyed either by fire or by debris hitting it on one side because you can see it going straight vertically down at almost three-fold time.
Well, I was for many years a professor at the University of California.
I had been a Canadian diplomat before that and I knew just enough about the situation in French Indochina to be very concerned that America should not make the mistake that France did.
I started as early as 1963 saying this would tear America apart if it got involved and eventually I started speaking I didn't want to be a speaker because I'm a Canadian and I felt Americans should speak out about the war, but you know back in 1963 a lot of Americans didn't know where Vietnam was.
It was a strange word to them.
So I started speaking and I started writing and my first book about Vietnam raised the question about the timing of the death of President Kennedy just at a time when he was beginning to talk about getting troops out of Indochina, out of Vietnam by the end of 65.
So that got me into writing about the Kennedy assassination and my main book on that, The Politics and the Death of JFK, is still in print after, what is it now, 13 years.
And so I have been very open, my eyes have been open to the possibility of Or the frequency with which the American government has lied to its own people.
Well, let me bring this up before we get into 9-11.
Within weeks, right at about three and a half weeks, Christina Todd Whitman and the EPA reported massive poisons, massive toxins, asbestos, mercury in the air.
Then Bush had that removed.
They said it was a mistake.
Now the massive deaths and injuries, debilitating illnesses that have been caused by this, now city memos have been released, CBS News today in New York is admitting there was a massive cover-up.
We already knew that.
Now here's another example of the cold-bloodedness.
They just didn't want to pay for the medical care of all these people, so they just said there's no problem.
Well, it's certainly not the first time this sort of thing has happened.
I mean, I think the use of depleted uranium, DU, In weaponry, in both the first Iraq war and the current Iraq war, it's a terrible scandal.
And you know, you had a huge number of returning veterans from the first Gulf War, and the Navy refused to deal with them.
I've talked to the brother of one of these people, and the Navy lost his medical records.
Finally, they put him on 100% disability, but it took about eight years for that to happen.
And the DU is still being used in Afghanistan and in Iraq today, and also on the web you can see that the babies being born with terrible deformities in the Iraq hospitals, this is not recognized in any degree at all.
If you look up depleted uranium on Google, you'll get an awful lot of hits, but you won't get any from the U.S.
I think there's a terrible separation in this country and it tends to happen as countries become powerful and turn from republics into empires that you get a greater and greater separation Between public opinion and the thinking that's going on in areas where there is no public review of the programs at all.
On issue after issue, you'll have 75, 85, 99 percent of people against North American Union, against the Kelo, New London, Connecticut ruling on property.
And now government suddenly, because I didn't see this in the past, He just says, we don't care, we're going to do it!
And it does show an imperial hubris that I think should terrify anyone who wants to live in a free country.
Well, I'm in a special situation here because I'm a Canadian and I came by choice to this country in 1961.
And I came because I respected America as an example for the rest of the world.
I mean, let's not forget some of the achievements of this country.
I think the Civil Rights Movement, You know, all over the world, racial relations can be difficult, but America has worked through its race relations to an extent in which in Europe, for example, they're just beginning to deal with the resentments of the Muslims living in France or England, for example.
I think they're behind America in that respect.
But what distresses me is the change that I've seen in America.
You know, I came to the University of California.
It was a free university.
Now you pay $20,000 a year or something to go.
It's become a class privilege, whereas it used to be for everybody.
The standard of living for a great many Americans is going down at the same time that the remuneration for the top 0.01% Are getting most of the increment in GNP in the form of income, so we're getting great disparity between the rich and the poor, and that's always a sign of a country on the way down.
It's a very, very... Yeah, it's a sign of a country going into centralization.
I want to get into your bottom line on 9-11.
And I want to, you've had a lot of good projections and predictions, what you see happening with Iran, what you see happening with this 5th anniversary of 9-11, where you see the Bush administration, what you think their next move is going to be, a great political mind, a great patriot for freedom, Peter Dale Scott is our guest.
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Mr. Scott, 9-11, I mean, we know why it was carried out.
A pretext for global domination.
The evidence is piling on top of evidence.
The official story is a fairy tale.
What do you see happening with Iran?
What do you see happening here domestically with the police state that they're for the first time announcing?
Well, how do you see this developing and then what are some solutions or ways we can keep bad possibilities from happening?
Well, I think Iran should be very much on our minds because I'm doing another book that will be out next year called The Road to 9-11 and I have a whole chapter dedicated to this group, The Project for a New American Century.
These are a group of neocons who wanted very much for America to play a much bigger role in Central Asia.
Well, they've got their wish in the form of Iraq, and I hope they're happy.
There are two big camps now, I think, in Washington.
There is the neocon camp, who have wanted an attack on Iran from the very beginning, and also Syria, for that matter.
This goes back, two of them were calling for this back in the Clinton era, back as early as 1996.
But I think they would like to destroy OPEC and see oil completely controlled by the United States and to be sold cheaply, break the OPEC cartel.
But there's also the oil companies in Washington, and whereas they agreed with the PNAC people, the neocons, on the importance of getting into Iraq, because they want America to have a secure base where it can control Where the oil goes to throughout the world, and Saudi Arabia is no longer that base.
Yes, but the oil companies are not interested in destroying OPEC, because OPEC keeps prices high, and that, of course, means record profits for the oil companies.
Some of the neocons have left the government.
Wolfowitz is now at the World Bank.
And a very important firing, I think, was this man Douglas, I don't know how to pronounce his name, Fate, or Fight, F-E-I-T.
And Cheney, I think, is the most important one of them all.
We've never had, in the history of the United States, a situation where the office of the Vice President seemed to be more powerful in determining policy than the National Security Council of the President.
Well, anyway, I said that this was just before the invasion of Iraq, and I said it would happen because America, it's not that we need the oil from Iraq for ourselves, most of it goes to Europe, but we need to control oil and we also were very concerned in those days to preserve the dollar by making sure that
OPEC countries didn't start taking Euros for oil instead of dollars.
That's what makes countries all over the world... The real world reserve currency is the oil, and the dollar is the currency for buying barrels of oil, but... And our listeners are versed on that.
He was starting to accept Euros, and in the beginning of this year, Iran said that they would create an oil boost, and that they too would, because they fell to Europe, so their position is Europe should pay... Why does Iran seem to be trying to goad the military-industrial complex into striking them?
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All right, I was out of the studio during the break and forgot to bring the phone numbers in here.
Will you guys please bring me the phone numbers so we can give those out in a few minutes to the BYU University President's phone number.
I'm also going to give you an email address.
We need to call them, be polite, but tell them this is outrageous.
We need more academic freedom in this country, not less.
The neocons have been calling for firing professors for the last year.
They haven't gotten their wish.
They haven't fired Jones yet.
They've got him on administrative paid leave.
So we're going to give you the phone number for Cecil O. Samuelson, the president of Brigham Young University.
We'll give you his information.
Kevin Ryan joins us here in about ten minutes.
One of the engineers at Underwriting Laboratories.
Who did the internal analysis and said the numbers didn't mesh with the official story of why the Towers and Seven collapsed.
He was told to shut up and when he spoke out he got fired.
Peter Dell Scott joins us and by the way in his new book that's coming out that he and Everett Griffin have edited, it has an analysis by Kevin Ryan in there so it would be great to have these two men together.
What is going on with Iran?
We know they made deals with Reagan for weapons to go ahead and hold the hostages and not release them.
We know they made all sorts of weird deals in Iran-Contra.
We know that they did help attack the Serbs, fund the Albanians to attack the Serbs as a pretext for the U.S.
and NATO and the U.N.
to go in there in the late 90s.
That's in Senate reports.
That's admitted.
So, yeah, what's, I mean, from your analysis, you're a former diplomat, you've studied these black ops systems, what's really going on in Iran?
Well, this is absolutely central to understanding 9-11, which is that the American government, the CIA, have been using Muslim fundamentalists for 30 years.
Going back in time, when they thought the big danger was that the Soviet Union would move into Asia, they backed the fundamentalists against them.
When Mosaddegh in Iran in 1953 was threatening to, well, threatening he did it, he would nationalize the Anglo-Iranian oil company, the CIA and British intelligence worked with, actually I think the people around Ayatollah Khomeini, they worked with them then to get rid of a democratic, progressive, socialist, it wasn't even socialist, it was nationalizing one foreign firm.
To get rid of Mosaddegh.
It's just one example of collaboration coming down into the 90s with Al-Qaeda elements in Azerbaijan where American oil companies were moving in.
The British were working with them in Libya because they wanted to get rid of Gaddafi.
All these secular leaders were being attacked from the right by Al-Qaeda elements, and that was with the approval of the CIA.
So, in the case of Iran, it's true.
You had the Republicans in 1980, they wanted to defeat Carter, so they We're meeting with Iranian fundamentalists in Paris and to delay the return of the hostages it meant that these American hostages in the Iranian embassies stayed on months longer because of the deal between fundamentalists and the Republicans to elect Ronald Reagan.
So, you have a situation where the Americans... I'm sure, for example, that the CIA had people inside Al-Qaeda.
They admit they had one al-Fatah.
He defected, and then there was this man, Ali Mohammed, that I write about in my chapter in 9-11 and the American Empire.
He was very high up in Al-Qaeda.
He actually did, but took the photographs of the American Embassy in Kenya and gave them personally to bin Laden.
But he was only able to do that because he had been picked up a few weeks earlier in Canada by the RCMP because they mistrusted him because of his connections to some terrorists in Canada.
And this man, Ali Mohammed, gave them a number to phone in Washington in the FBI headquarters to an FBI agent called and sent And the FBI told the Canadians to release him, which they did.
They'd have known Al Qaeda members going to summits, coming back into the U.S., trying to get visas overseas, and they'd say, you're a terrorist, and they'd get a call from the higher, opposite State Department saying, let them in.
This terror designation is a cover for anti-terror training.
Well, there was one embassy in particular, Saudi Arabia, with two consulates, and virtually all of these hijackers and their bosses, the higher level people, like the blind sheikh, Abdulrahman, they came into America on special visas that were issued by this office, whereas they should have been, and some of them actually were,
On the terror list of people not to be given visas.
And then back, of course, in 1993, the FBI took the bomb, trained the driver, gave them the detonators, let it all go forward, found a couple low-grade morons to do it.
They had been observing those people for three years before then, and when one of them killed Meir Kahan and was picked up, and this was the Muslim whose home was raided,
And it was filled with terror training manuals that Ali Mohammed himself, who was doubling as a trainer for the special forces at Fort Bragg, this man, his name was Nasser, his home was full of these manuals.
And the FBI came out and said there was nothing found in his home of any interest.
I want to give a number out in a moment to call BYU to support Professor Stephen Jones, who is being reviewed right now and has been basically suspended and put on leave.
This is a horrible attack on free speech and scientific research in this country.
But that's why George Bush Sr.
brought 3,000 Iraqis in.
Clinton brought in another 2,000.
2000.
These are Republican guard who were trained here in the '80s, deep cover U.S. assets brought back in, of course involved in the Oklahoma City bombing.
And that way if any police happen to catch them or bust them in the act, oh it's just an Arab, oh it's an Iraqi, perfect cover.
Those 5000, we have good intel, are all over the United States right now ready to level major buildings in every U.S. city.
I tell you, it is so sick and we are in so much danger.
Peter Delstadt, do you have any comments on the 5,000 Iraqis?
Well, I'm an agnostic on that, and I should say, in general, my position on 9-11, some people are very sure they know what happened.
My position is I'm very sure there's been a massive cover-up, and that the cover-up extends to things that happened in the White House on that day.
And that we need to know more clearly what happened, why it is that the phone records are suddenly, there's like an 18 minute gap, just like Watergate when it comes to the crucial phone calls that authorize the shoot down of planes.
And then more and more importantly, something that a lot of Americans are not aware of, this thing called COG.
Which is supposed to be continuity of government, but which is actually a kind of suspension of the Constitution.
Before we go any further, let me just give out the phone number to the president of Brigham Young University.
Call the secretary.
It's not her fault.
Be nice to her.
But ask that she write down your name or information or your comments.
Make sure that notes be given to him and that the people of the United States support Professor Stephen Jones, who's been put on leave, basically suspended for now, and they're looking at him.
And all this started with fake hit pieces.
Remind them of this in World Net Daily, claiming that he had said things he didn't say.
Here is the number, 801-422-2521.
Again, that's 801-422-2521.
422-2521 the president of Brigham Young University and you can also email your support to Stephen Jones at physics underscore Office at BYU.edu.
Again, that's physics underscore office at BYU.edu or the number 801-422-2521.
If people want to know what Stephen Jones did that's so terrible to have caused this hullabaloo and to get him suspended, it's the article which is in our book and which is, I think, the sanest, most reasonable chapter that's been written by anybody on why it is that most reasonable chapter that's been written by anybody on why it is that the towers fell and particularly World Trade Center No. 7, the building that was not hit by an airplane
He did a public service by assembling the scientific evidence for what really happened here, And because of doing this public service, he may be losing his job.
One of the other individuals who contributed material to the new book that you guys have put out is Kevin Ryan.
He's a former site manager for Environmental Health Laboratories, a division of Underwriter Laboratories, the major underwriting firm in the United States and North America.
And he put out just a letter to them.
Well, here he is, in a nutshell, to tell us what happened to him, and then to go through his take on what's happening to Professor Stephen Jones right now.
Kevin Ryan, it's great to have you on the air with us, and it's great to have Mr. Scott on at the same time.
Yeah, I was previously a top manager at one of UL's divisions and I was the manager of the water testing division.
And the reason I got involved in all of this is because I was given information both verbally and in writing from UL's top managers that UL had been involved in testing the steel used to build the World Trade Center buildings.
So having this information, I was interested in the progress of the NIST investigation, of which UL played a part.
But in 2003, it was clear that our government was lying to us about a number of things that could be seen as worse crimes than the crimes of 9-11 themselves.
And, you know, in seeing this and learning more about the events of 9-11, like the destruction of the steel evidence, I was interested in hearing more from our Chief Executive Officer who had made the first claim that we had tested the steel used to build the World Trade Center building.
So I started asking questions about it, you know, I sent him formal written questions about Our involvement, I really felt it was UL's responsibility as the public safety guardian.
There's 40 years ago where they tested the steel components used to build the buildings originally, and then there's August of 2004 where they did floor model testing.
They claimed, and I believe they never did test the floor assemblies 40 years ago, but they did test the steel components, the columns and so forth, that were used to build the buildings.
So, what they said is that they tested the steel, so then they continued in the investigation, and the investigation showed that the floors wouldn't collapse, and they showed that the temperatures in the buildings were nowhere near hot enough to soften or weaken any of the steel.
And so, you know, having all this information, and having asked numerous times of managers at UL, without getting any satisfactory answers, I went ahead and wrote the NIST scientists, and that's what got me fired.
I wrote a letter, I thought it was respectful and professional, and I just came right out and asked them, look, your test results show That the steel's not going to soften or even significantly weaken, you know?
That's just not going to happen at the temperatures you've provided.
You know, a lot of people think, well, the academy is safe from all that sort of thing, but it's not.
And we've just seen an example of it at BYU, and probably the people who are doing it may feel that they're not in a position of freedom because they have to protect the university and so on.
I just want to say one more thing.
Stephen Jones has been so reasonable.
He was saying he would take it off his His article off his site and put it up somewhere else.
It is going up somewhere else.
I'm sorry I don't have the URL.
But it's not like he was taunting them or being millicent or anything like that.
We've got Kevin Ryan on the line with us and Peter Dale Scott.
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Kevin Ryan, formerly of Underwriting Laboratories, and of course, Peter Dale Scott, former diplomat and professor and best-selling author.
They both join us right now today, and we were going to be talking about 9-11, and we are talking about 9-11, but there's this move nationwide, and congressmen, senators have openly called for cutting off funding.
to universities that allow their professors to have academic freedom.
This is a very dangerous chilling effect.
This is not what you're supposed to see in a free society, but it goes part and parcel with the free speech zones.
It's all part of this larger, larger picture.
Going back briefly to Kevin Ryan, and we're going to let him go.
I know he's a very busy man, and we'll give him up sometime in the future for a full hour.
Kevin Ryan, can you just, again, in kind of a synopsis, thumbnail sketch, For people that don't know, describe what happened.
You said, listen, you guys did your own internal studies and showed the towers shouldn't have fallen.
You did the test before and after.
Please go public.
Meanwhile, they were telling the public something completely different.
Who was putting, or did you ever find out who was putting the pressure on them not to release those reports?
You know, I, my letter included not only things that have been largely reported publicly, other than UL's involvement in testing the steel components, all of it had been reported publicly, but now all of it is, is, is quite well known.
So at the time, it was considered outrageous, right?
I think we can all agree that if Underwriters Laboratories is a tax-exempt organization working for all of us, supposedly for safety purposes, then they shouldn't be holding secrets back from us on what they've done, especially when it's so important.
First, Peter Del Scott, where is this going to go if we see an explosion of 9-11 truth, the people now realizing there's a cover-up, and basic laws of science have been suspended by the Bush administration and both 9-11 whitewash commissions.
Peter Del Scott, what do you see happening in the future?
I mean, I see hit pieces, probably 30 or 40 of them a day against 9-11 truth in the media, but that doesn't seem to be working.
Well, first of all, it attests to, as Kevin just said, the importance of this matter.
I mean, if it's important enough to suspend Kevin Jones, it's important enough to fire Kevin Ryan, it's because they're very scared, and it's ultimately the people that will determine who comes out on top in this.
If the American people get involved in this matter and do a little basic research for themselves, Anyone with a computer can go to Google and become more knowledgeable about 9-11 than the poor members of the 9-11 Commission were, who were not able to look at the truth.
It's a very important matter.
Particularly if we get a change in the House in November that it could lead to the impeachment of Vice President Cheney.