Alex Jones and Jonathan Mosley clash over 9/11 narratives, with Mosley defending the official story against Jones's claims of a globalist plot involving Operation Northwoods and the W199I memorandum. The debate escalates as Jim Fetzer accuses Mosley of scientific incompetence regarding Building 7's collapse, while Jones promotes "Terror Storm" alleging Western governments orchestrated terror to enslave populations. Later, Clifford Carnicom joins to discuss chemtrails, citing Project SHAD and HAARP to argue for a government agenda of atmospheric modification, weather control, and population suppression through invisible aerosol delivery systems. Ultimately, the episode reinforces a worldview where official institutions are puppets executing a deliberate conspiracy to manipulate climate and public health. [Automatically generated summary]
Because we have a foreign enemy who has attacked us and has been attacking us since 1979 and hit the World Trade Center in 1993 and tells us they want to kill us again and again.
And instead of looking at the people who really killed them, they want to use it for a political point to bash George Bush and blame our country.
You know, it's awfully easy to talk about technicalities.
Mr. Mosley, you can go out and find crazy people that think no planes hit the towers and then try to strawman claim them that we, quote, keep changing our story.
I haven't changed my story from before 9-11.
And I asked you yesterday, I said, have you heard of Operation Northwoods?
And you said that you had heard me talk about it, but that you didn't know about it.
I mean, shouldn't you go find out of my claim about an official U.S.
government document to carry out 9-11 style attacks?
Shouldn't you go find out if that exists, or you just decide that doesn't exist?
It is ABC News, Baltimore Sun, declassified, in April of 2000.
Stay there, sir.
Let's go through it piece by piece.
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It's so crushing.
It's going to hurt the New World Order bad.
It's going to defend this Republic.
You want to stop the American Union?
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You do that by blowing the fake conservatives politically out of the water, showing how they control the liberals, how Hillary's on the payroll, Clinton's on the payroll.
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We can actually get the country back instead of being pacified by these government operatives out there that pose as conservatives.
And then you've got the well-meaning folks out there.
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Mr. Mosley, you've got the floor.
You've written this big article, 9-1-1 Bush Bashers.
Tell us how we're all wrong.
Tell us why we're smirching, profaning, to use your language, the memory of the 3,000 dead on 9-11.
Well, one of the biggest things that upsets me about this is that the effect of this is to not guard us against a real enemy.
Now, if there are other enemies and other people we need to bring to justice, that's fine.
But we know we have an enemy out there that wants to kill us.
And the effect of this is saying, drop your guard.
It's like a boxer letting his guard down so he can get walloped again.
Now, I know that from your perspective, you don't want to be blamed for what other conspiracy theorists are saying about this.
And one of the points I make is that there's a mishmash of different theories out there.
And as a consequence of that, people say, oh, there's overwhelming evidence.
But the overwhelming evidence is all contradicting each other.
From your perspective, you want to be held accountable for your beliefs, but from the perspective of the country and people listening, they're hearing it all.
I don't know how to respond to that, but we keep hearing all this craziness go back and forth, and it does keep changing when they encounter facts, they just switch to another argument.
There is only one official story, but there's hundreds of alternatives, which of course can't all be wrong.
But the thing is, is that There are several formats here of what happens.
What got me into this, you know, considering what their memory of Barbara Olsen, who I knew, is to hear these facts being asserted, and then you go back and you check on them, and the initial fact turns out to be false.
Now, I don't know, that might not be true of your arguments, but it's true of an awful lot of the stuff out there, beginning with the idea that, you know, there's a 16-foot hole in the Pentagon, when the engineers measured it at 90 feet, and there's hundreds of eyewitnesses.
This kind of thing.
So there's a structure of an assertion of fact, and then a whole bunch of argument flowing from it.
Go back and check the fact.
Turns out not to hold up.
The other thing is that what bothers me most is that people say, well, this is not plausible.
They then suggest something that's infinitely less plausible.
That there are thousands of people with no motivation to keep quiet who've all kept silent, including civilian radar operators and airline personnel.
The airlines lost billions of dollars.
It's just completely implausible.
If you're going to argue from the idea that something is not plausible, I think the alternative needs to stand up to your own yardstick.
Okay, stop right there, because you said three minutes, and I want to run over what you just said briefly, and then I'll let you continue to spout that stuff.
Number one, you say people wouldn't keep quiet.
FBI agent Robert Wright got up on C-SPAN at the National Press Club and held up a letter where he'll be threatened under national security for treason.
If he tells the public what he knows, he begins crying and breaks down and says, all I can tell you is, the Bush's vacation with the Bin Ladens.
That's a quote.
And then, we get the memorandum from the President, W199I, ordering The FBI and CIA and Defense Intelligence, Able Danger, which we now have even more on, to back off the Bin Laden operations in Hamas and Hezbollah, as well as HU Khan Laboratories in Pakistan developing hydrogen weapons and delivery systems, and it's now all on record.
And I'm sure with that you'll say it doesn't exist.
I'm sorry, everything I just said does exist in triplicate mainstream news.
Also, There were countless other FBI and other government people who were threatened with arrest if they wouldn't shut up.
When a colonel blew the whistle, they tried to charge him for $67 of unauthorized cell phone calls to his wife.
This is the type of stuff that's going on.
They threatened Sybil Edmonds with arrest.
All of this, so just don't try it.
Also, don't try to say they couldn't keep something this big secret.
They used drills to smokescreen it, compartmentalize inside these different government agencies, and they kept the Manhattan Project secret with over 100,000 employees for four years, and other facets of it secret.
for over a decade.
Then you say Pentagon, which I've always said is a honeypot by design, and I haven't messed with it, but I've stated on record that clearly what they show on the news is a 16-foot hole, then it collapses, and it is 75 to 95 feet, depending on which thing you talk about.
Then you talk about how we have all these different stories, but the government has one unified story.
They've given five different reasons for Building 7 falling.
Now they say they don't know why.
They said there were no steel columns in the middle of Tower 1 and 2, and they have the biggest columns you can put in a building that size.
47 4-foot-a-round giant steel reinforced columns.
You've got the entire Commission being called independent, being appointed by George Bush.
You've got a bunch of the Commission on the Carlisle Group payroll, Zelikow and the rest of them.
I'm going to stop right there and I'm just going to add that a lot of these people putting out the no planes at the Pentagon thing, I predicted stuff like this would happen.
This is a classic setup where they put out ridiculous disinfo on purpose, building straw men, a lot of these are operatives, so then you guys can come discredit false stories.
Right, but they didn't, okay look, to demolish the building the way I understand it is argued, you have to have 43,000 demolition devices, 236 steel columns around the outside.
Um, you know, some number inside.
Some people say 47.
Um, then you times 80 or 90 floors, because you wouldn't know which floor it is on.
It would take a few hundred devices in Tower 1, which is larger explosives, and it would take several hundred devices in Building 7 with the classic bottom-down, uh, crimp blow.
Major companies could have wired each one of those towers in two weeks apiece.
They had major drills, they had evacuations, they had major floors closed down, they had all sorts of weird people.
I've talked to the janitorial staff that were in there, just like Oklahoma City that Clinton pulled off when they caught the different guys in there with the, quote, grey sticks of butter drilling the columns.
And you'd need miles of wire, and demolition experts have looked at that and said you always have to... No, you don't need miles of wire, you can go off a synchronized radio beacon.
Okay, but you couldn't synchronize different floors that way, have you ever tried to take a radio inside of a... No, you have different layers on different radio frequencies.
Have you ever tried to take a radio inside of a big steel building?
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I would just add on the imploding and falling buildings.
No modern steel building had ever collapsed from fire.
He claims one that did, but that was a separate, smaller, older construction.
And, I mean, you know, top scientists, the University of Edinburgh is on record, BBC, saying one's never fallen.
They just tried to burn a building down over a month period with different experiments.
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That was on BBC last week.
And we had the Madrid fire with 100-foot white-hot flames.
It cannot be, it cannot be, they're against... Alex, I hate to say there's been a gross misrepresentation by Mr. Mosley, but I've been in contact with Steve Jones... No, we have Professor Jones, we have Professor Jones comments that he emailed us now up on JonesReport.com.
This is ridiculous, it's outrageous, and even libelous that he makes these kinds of things up, Steve.
uh... that we've had on the internet and discussion group i cannot wait a minute let me read back in here a professor doesn't have a part of got the three-page article for him in the report here where he does say that if you've got a few of the quote he thought i could have been a jew because he was packing up a little bit that that's correct i think i would like to have a chief and we're going to have a look at the bottom of this because uh... i mean obviously the
The indication there is, ooh, he wanted to know if I was a Jew.
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Professor Vetser and I have been criticized for not saying it's Israel that carried out the attacks.
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I sent him an email and asked him about his background because he was acting in such an obsessive, compulsive fashion.
And I truly believe this had to be a child.
In fact, I would insist that this man, he may be older, but he acts like a child.
And I suggest that this person, if I had to guess, was about 15 years old, very bright, probably Jewish, possibly a resident of Brooklyn, attending a scientific technological high school.
Who believes he's superior to everyone else and has an obsession to try to prove it, but I was commenting on his behavior, not the subject of his quote.
Second of all, here's a couple of examples of the shoddy equality of his argument.
He says the Twin Towers can't have come down as the result of controlled demolition because they blow out the first and second floors so the building falls down into its own footprint.
But I pointed out to him online, before he published this article, that was an equivocation He's just talking about the standard kind of controlled demolition, as in the case of Building 7.
I pointed out then and emphasized, we're talking about a special kind of controlled demolition.
It's still a controlled demolition, just because it's from the top down.
Sir, we say that because the firefighters reported bombs and explosions, and they reported squibs, and on all the videos, 7, 1, and 2, you see the blast points, sir.
I mean, you don't have to... That's like saying if you have a theory of the speed of light, and just because ten people are wrong about their theory, including the government's story, one of them is right.
So, yeah, to say, because there's an argument, every form of science and research and, you know, detectives at a cop shop, they're going to be disagreeing, but somebody's going to be right.
Well, sir, can you specifically, going back to Jones, can you specifically tell us where, well, number one, you are saying here that he agreed with the overthrow of the government, and I've watched those tapes over and over again.
He was asked, is there a way to achieve our goals without a violent overthrow?
He then echoed the Declaration of Independence preamble, which is a call for revolution, by deliberately echoing the language and format which is an argument for revolution, and then ended up saying, there is no peaceful way to achieve our means.
The firefighters reported that in both towers the fires were almost out and to call up more ladders to save the people and there were people standing in the holes right for minutes waiting for help without burning or without being singed Begging for helicopter rescue that never came, inches away from pillars, that seconds later, as they talked on cell phones, blew up.
Now go ahead, we gotta give him some time, go ahead and finish up what you were saying, Jonathan.
The same underwriters lab, in their study of World Trade Center, cited McCormick Place and other, a dozen other steel structures that have partially or completely failed.
Or the proposition in Underwriters Lab's view that structural steel does melt.
This was a welded Steel structure with an intricate lattice, redundant support system.
It was very sophisticated.
It cannot have suffered from a pancake kind of collapse.
I got a structural engineer on this website to correct him on McCormick Place and on the capacity of the Twin Towers to subject to pancake collapse.
He simply ignores it.
When this guy is corrected, he just goes ahead and repeats his own phony arguments, whether they commit equivocation or logical blunders or no matter what.
He has the mind of a 15-year-old and he's obsessed to prove himself correct, no matter how wrong he may be.
Hotel Windsor... Sir, listen, the University of Edinburgh, with their top engineers, for a month, every day, tried to burn down a 24-story steel building, similar construction.
They couldn't get anything to even weaken.
All they could get was sheetrock to cave in.
They burned it day after day.
BBC just aired it.
They said they couldn't believe the Tower 1, 2, and 7 fell.
That's why they did the major study.
Now, I'm going to stop you.
And there are a lot of other engineers saying this.
Kevin Ryan is saying this.
Countless others are saying this.
And I don't understand how.
Listen, it's been well known that buildings are safe.
Listen, listen, listen, Edinburgh's doing these tests because they say this changes insurance everything.
If buildings will suddenly collapse from kerosene, coal-burning fuel, black, burning, you know, smoke, low-oxygen flames, and you can run through this stuff, if this is the case, then the laws of physics have been suspended.
I've pointed out repeatedly that Frank D. Martini, who was the construction manager on the World Trade Center, had observed that they were designed to withstand the impact of the largest then commercial airliner, Boeing 707.
Two of them!
Yeah, whose impact, he said, would be analogous to sticking a pencil through mosquito netting.
Now, this guy either doesn't know any better, in which case he's incompetent, or he knows better, in which case he's corrupt.
Most of that fuel burned off in the giant fireball.
They've done analysis, sir, of the pounds per square inch pressure generated by that fuel detonating, and it is thousands of times too weak to even blow out the smallest columns.
That's ridiculous.
We know exactly how much C4 it takes, properly jacketed, to cut columns.
Barry Chomish is a writer written for major papers in Israel.
I believe he's here in the U.S.
I'm just going to give him a minute or so.
I don't even know what subject he's calling in on.
Then I'll let both of you gentlemen continue to the end of the hour.
Please stay with us, Fetzer and Mosley.
Barry Chomish, thank you for coming on with us.
What's on your mind?
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Yeah, I was helped on, actually.
Look, the business of Jews and 9-11 and all that... Look, the architect of the World Trade Center is on my email list.
He's been writing me for the last four years.
Now, he always had difficulties with it, but now he's coming out and going public.
His name is Aaron Swirsky.
Uh, he lives in Netanya, and now he, um, he's suggesting that we design the building to take any sort of a plane, and he doesn't believe the planes brought it down.
Well, I know Horat reported that Odogo did indeed warn his employees.
That's not an urban legend.
That's from Israel.
But I personally don't believe Israel could carry it out.
I certainly believe they knew what was going on.
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Professor Fetzer, just in closing here, anything else you'd like to say about 9/11? - Well, I think that Mosley's last point well illustrates his incapacity to come to grips with the facts in this matter.
He said that the plane that actually hit the building was very different than the 707s that they were designed to accommodate And in fact, precisely the opposite is the case.
I routinely lecture on this.
The physical properties, the mass, and even the fuel capacity of these planes are very comparable.
And I found at least three other engineers who agreed with Frank DiMartini that the buildings were constructed to withstand the impact of those airliners.
His point here is either deliberately deceiving us or he's utterly incompetent because he has no familiarity with the facts of the case.
But you keep implying by saying he's a philosophy professor that we don't have a bunch of scientists trained in engineering and physics that have come to the same conclusion.
This is what Kevin Ryan said, and we'll get to the bottom of it.
He's emailed WorldNetDaily, and instead of the numerous false statements made in the article by John Mosley that you recently published, at least one should result in legal action.
Anyone who actually listened to the C-SPAN broadcast and 9-11 Scholars Group can clearly hear that Mosley's quote of Stephen Jones is inaccurate to say the least.
Dr. Jones did not say that there is no peaceful way to achieve the group's goals, and Dr. Jones has not promoted violence in any of his presentations.
A correction of this libelous error might be wise choice.
Thanks, Kevin Ryan, UL Laboratories former underwriter engineer.
Millions of people thought I think this guy ought to be reported to the Board of Ethics that in his domain, this is completely unethical and corrupt behavior.
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What I wanted to call you about, I received a call from a survey, a presidential survey.
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Properly research it, and that's basically where I'll leave it.
There's a lot of stuff on the web that, you know, you can't confirm one way or the other, so I just move away from it.
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Before we get into this next subject of the government and private agencies, groups, organizations, black ops, black world, corporations, syndicates, carrying out aerial spraying against the American syndicates, carrying out aerial spraying against the American people, I want to just set the table here.
And And I hope to keep Clifford Carnicom at least halfway into the next hour if we have plenty of time to take your calls.
I remember long before we had even heard of chemtrails instead of contrails, compensation trails, reading in declassified government documents in 77 that there had been over 3,000 declassified instances of aerial spraying of chemical, biological, and radiological materials, and then a whole other section of particulates that didn't fit into those four, Being sprayed on the American people.
And I like to go back to really famous cases of the few that have been actually heard of.
Aircraft and Navy ships sprayed biological agents that did cause deaths.
That's mainstream news.
Details remain classified.
That's what was declassified in 77.
In the ship channel, you know, the Golden Gate Bridge area of San Francisco in 1949.
In 1968, time-release bio-agents were released on the New York subway at 9 a.m.
in the morning, in 1968.
Death resulted.
Army doctors were at nearby hospitals, quote, in residency in the months before so that they could chronicle for themselves what the effects were.
They have never told us what the biological agent was, only that it was a bacterium.
There's two famous examples.
I've interviewed a bunch of sailors and Air Force officers and I've interviewed British soldiers and whistleblowers and it's been in the BBC and AP and it's been everywhere that from the 1940s until 1985 Project Shad from Hawaii to Germany would have troops stand out in a field say in Wales and jets would fly over at 500 feet and spray a chemical weapon on them and troops would die on the spot and troops would die a week later and troops would die five years later and some are still alive.
Or they'd tell a young officer, you get an extra three-day leave if you sign in for a flu test.
We're going to spray you with flu and see, you know, it's for the country.
Then the guy signs in and they walk him in the chamber, hit him with VX nerve gas.
He dies.
They dissect the body.
Folks, there are thousands of these, literally.
Listen, I've read hundreds and hundreds and hundreds myself, okay?
And then I've looked at lists of thousands.
I cannot cover it all.
I would be here talking for eternity.
Two years ago, let's use a newer example.
It's in the Daily Oklahoma.
It's in the Oklahoma Papers that 5,000 pounds of Subtilis Globoge, a bacteria that can cause spontaneous abortions in all mammal mammalian species, and is listed by the federal government and the Army as dangerous, Was sprayed on every town and city over a one year period.
Five thousand pounds!
You'd read in the Daily Oklahoman, 5,000 pounds of Subtilis Globoge will be sprayed in hundreds of different operations by small fixed-wing aircraft over the next year by the Department of Homeland Security in a test of the wind patterns of a biological release.
It is completely safe.
Then you go read what Subtilis Globoge is.
It causes upper respiratory problems, abortions, blood infections, everything.
Just go look it up.
That's one more case of thousands.
White Rock, New Mexico sprang on and on and on and on.
Black men.
It first came out over 45 years that they just let them die of syphilis and spread it.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Now it's come out they gave it to them.
They've caught the U.N.
in over 100 countries with over 10 different manufacturers putting a pathogen hormone attached to the tetanus pathogen to sterilize women.
On and on and on.
Bayer, for over 10 years, knowingly knew their factor rate, every dose had AIDS in it and Hepatitis C, and that everyone was going to get it who took it.
And their own documents are now public, MSNBC.
It's all public, that they knowingly said, so what, let them die.
So I don't want to hear that the government wouldn't spray us with something, because I cannot even chronicle how many instances there are.
Now, let me add this, and we're going to flip our cardicom.
Who I am just so proud of.
He made a documentary.
He put it out for free.
They sell it for, he didn't even sell it for $2 a piece for shipping.
They stream it for free.
We got a link to it on Infowars.com.
That's when you care, folks.
I think you ought to charge a little more so you can have more funds to fund his operation.
But he's done some of the best research out there.
But C'est La Vie, he just gives it out for free.
Free stream of it.
And then you can also get it for the cost of shipping.
But before I go any further, there are nuts everywhere who point at every condensation trail and discredit all of us.
And say, that's a chemical trail, that's a chemical... No, no.
If they're spraying at 30,000 feet, all the evidence shows they're either hitting somebody 5-10,000 miles away where the jet stream comes down to ground...
Or, they are engaging in atmospheric manipulations, which we have documents on.
Weather control.
There's a bunch of different stuff going on.
People all try to say it's this or it's that.
No.
As usual, it's a cocktail of different operations.
But, we had reports before people ever heard of contrails in 1998-97, and I have people, I know people We have all seen this type of stuff go on.
This has been reported on.
There's a bunch of declassified instances of it.
So if they're going to spray your town, it's going to be from 2,000 feet or lower.
Wayne saw it while they were building a house out in Belton.
Flies over to school, sprays it, everybody gets sick, vomiting, diarrhea.
It was on national TV.
Remember that?
We have all seen this type of stuff go on.
This has been reported on.
There's a bunch of declassified instances of it.
So if they're going to spray your town, it's going to be from 2,000 feet or lower, normally 1,500 feet, helicopter and fixed wing.
And there is chemtrail spring.
I remember in 97, 98 it started.
Before anybody even had talked about it, I said, why do trails, and I never knew the answer, that used to disappear in a few seconds to a minute, why are they there four hours later?
Why do they all form a haze?
Now NASA admits the Earth is 20% darker than it was 30 years ago.
Now it's in mainstream government textbooks that they are spraying.
Joining us is Clifford Carnicom.
Sir, thank you for holding during that introduction.
We are so honored to have you.
Let me just give folks your bio.
Clifford Carnicom, who has been actively involved in bringing attention to the chemtrail phenomenon, has been a self-employed professional computer consultant for the past three years and now resides in Santa Fe, New Mexico with his wife Carol.
He is previously a research scientist and federal employee for 15 years with three different agencies, including the United States Department of Defense, the Bureau of Land Management, and the U.S.
Forest Service.
His technical background is extensive in the fields of Alex, thanks very much for the opportunity to be here.
I truly appreciate it.
of computer science and the physical sciences, and that's the bio from Coast to Coast AM.
Alex, thanks very much for the opportunity to be here.
I truly appreciate it.
And I also thank you for establishing that precedent, as you did in that opening segment, which is very, very true.
And, you know, you referred to 1977, and I have a document that was given to me shortly after I started this research that is very clear documentation of the long history and litany of open air testing.
This particular document concerns congressional hearings that were held in 1977 that basically raise a question.
It's an acknowledgment that the U.S.
population has been openly tested and or experimented Or operated upon.
Code Chapter 50... I've got to say this code real fast to be able to get it out right.
That's how my memory works.
U.S.
Code Title 50, Chapter 32, Subsection 1520A, Paragraph B says they're allowed to use lethal chemical, biological, or radiological agents on the American people for research.
And, you know, this is 30 years later, but the opening line of these hearings is just amazing to me, because it's basically unfortunate, but it appears that after 30 years there's been really no progress made.
I'd like to read just one sentence, if I can, in the opening line to these hearings.
It says, Recent revelations of similar open air testing in civilian areas have alarmed many people.
Their concern extends beyond the safety or hazards presented by the test organisms.
However, it goes to the heart of what a free society is all about.
Should a democratic people cede to its government the full responsibility of determining when secret tests on unwitting subjects are necessary to protect the nation's security?
That was Kennedy, back when Kennedy actually did some work in 1977.
And I really give him credit because he raised the fundamental issue, which is really the very same issue now.
And that is, what limit is there?
What threshold is there to the claim or guise of national security as a domain that is untouchable, no matter what the circumstances are?
And this is the world that we're in now.
National security is used as a defense, a hidden defense, As to any and all of these operations that the public has an obvious right to know, but are put under the cloak of supposedly protecting us.
And Kennedy nailed it 30 years ago in that statement.
It is, and I thank you for establishing precedent, because that's a good ground plane to start on, is for people to realize, you know, this is not something that needs to be imagined or constructed.
This is very real, has a long history.
What is different about this operation that I became involved in researching at the beginning of 1999... Is that it's so huge?
...is the scale and magnitude of the operation, and also the arrogance, the scale and the arrogance of the operation.
And that is, we are now in a state of affairs where we have Open air testing on a global scale.
Direct lying about it from top officials.
United States Air Force lied early in the game.
Direct lie to the American public.
Uh, calling this a hoax without any real documentation of any kind to support their claim.
And the scale and arrogance and magnitude of the effect is what's different.
And that is important.
It's not the same as conducting some localized test for some defensive project.
I don't even know where to start, Clifford Carnicom.
Let's go through how you woke up and the different projects that are rolled in.
You mentioned the main focus of it, and I've done some of the similar research and looked at your research.
It does appear to be mainly an atmosphere alteration, but then there's some other operations going on too.
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There's only one part of the chemical biological testing going on against us.
I would say that it's kind of a dual axis.
We've got Everything happening in the air, in the water.
They poison the water, they poison the air.
They've been caught red-handed doing it.
They institutionalize what they're doing right in front of our faces many times.
It's the arrogance, the sodium fluoride, the stannous fluoride, and the rest of it, documented to be deadly poison.
But then you have the vaccines.
They're also poisoning you through those.
See, if they're admitted to have done all this horrible stuff in the past, how do you then now trust them to take your vaccines?
If one of the biggest pharmacological companies in the world, Bayer, would knowingly put AIDS virus in your drugs, knowingly, knowingly, and hepatitis C, knowingly, knowing it was in there, And still selling it, then what would the government and these other groups do?
So I don't want to hear it's too dastardly, too big.
Clifford Carnicom, how did you wake up to this, and then get into the atmosphere manipulation, and then shift into the biological effects of that, and then the biological effects of the other spring we know is going on?
You can't say individual aircraft, but over 100 passes within a two-hour period.
They just blanket the sky and completely alter it.
And so I started taking photographs and showed that progression for the very first time.
That you had an unnatural situation that was taking place.
And I simply opened the door by posting the photographs on the website and really just raised the issue.
I mean, that's sort of my style.
I wasn't trying to... I knew it was wrong.
At a gut level, I knew it was wrong.
At the very least, you would call this a question of pollution.
And the website started, and at that point, it was fairly clear, very soon, that there was an interest in my work by military, industrial, chemical, pharmaceutical, medical, chemical complex.
Very shortly after, you would find out.
I was just an individual, really, a pretty low-key person.
Well, I did want to mention, as you said, there's a lot of things to this, and it's very true.
And people do have a tendency to, I would say, either simplify it or avoid it, because it's too complex.
Either or.
And it is a complex issue, and over a period of six, seven years, I have evolved to where there's about seven areas that I think are involved in this subject.
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My entire life, and then suddenly the late 90's, they began to just hang there, expand, grow, So, is the government blocking out the evil radiation from the sun?
Or are they engaging in mass inoculations?
You know, all these things have been said.
Are they poisoning us?
Well, we know in the past they have killed American citizens on purpose with admitted biological testing.
And then we have all the admissions of low-altitude spraying.
Clifford Carnicom, walk through the seven different areas of your research and what you know, what you've tested.
This list was five up to about a year ago, and there's been two added that I haven't really written up, but I've added them to the list.
Some of these can be shown to exist, at least with the best evidence we can.
Some of them exist strictly through analysis.
Basically, in my case, I have to look at the data and ask, what would you do if this set of data exists?
What does that data portend, basically?
And so, I wouldn't call it conjecture by any means, but it's definitely a process of analysis.
The seven areas would be as follows.
The first would be, and I would say that all of these, I would call them areas of operation that are consistent with all of the data that has been collected over seven years.
They do not exist individually, they exist simultaneously.
They are.
First one would be environmental modification and control, actually modifying our world in terms of its environment and weather.
This would be the simplest and the easiest probably to understand and demonstrate.
The second would be the conduct of biological operations, using particulates as a transport medium for biological materials.
The third would be the application and use of electromagnetic operations, the transmission and propagation and manipulation of energy, electromagnetic energy, within a modified atmospheric environment.
Let's see, the easiest analogy there would be the ionosphere.
Think of the conditions of the ionosphere at altitude, which... Some type of conductivity for HAARP or something?
Yeah, that's right.
That medium, think of that medium of the ionosphere being brought to a lower level around the Earth, basically.
We can talk about each of these in more detail.
The fourth would be military operations.
Defense, military, offensive, defensive military operations.
HAARP is certainly a main player.
If you look at the At the thesis and patent of the HAARP facility, it fits like a glove with the actual data that exists for us now.
The fifth is a little bit more esoteric, but still quite feasible to me.
This would be one based on analysis.
And that is a geophysical modification.
Actually, the consideration of whether the planet itself, I'm not talking about just the atmosphere, But the geophysics of the earth, you would be talking about rotation, rotation of the earth, geophysical processes, tectonic, these types of things.
And that may sound a little bit stretched for some folks, but the data actually suggests that such things could indeed be feasible to do.
The last two are additions over the last year, which have not been written up.
Number six would be surveillance.
A surveillance operation.
The idea there being, you know, most of us are familiar with radar, and radar is when you send a radio wave out and it bounces off of something, comes back, and tells you something's there.
Well, what's interesting is radar works because the objects that you're detecting are of a certain size.
It has to do with the wavelength of what you're sending out.
It has to match what it is you're looking for.
So, radio works with radar for airplanes and big objects.
But there is an alternative method of detection that involves light waves.
And the wavelength of light waves is extremely small, very small.
And in fact, it's at the same size as the particles that we're speaking of that compose these operations that are being introduced.
So it's quite feasible that you actually could develop a surveillance system That would, instead of being able to track large objects, such as planes and boats and this type of thing, could track literally down to the microscopic level.
The HAARP patent is just, it's just for, I've spent some time with that patent.
And I didn't really know a lot about it when I started, but I sort of dug into that on a technical side, and I'll tell you, the overlap is just tremendous.
The actual materials that are being identified over and over and over are what you would call ionizing salts.
It's a very specific category of physics, and yet extremely important.
The best explanation for what can physically transform the atmosphere in the way that they have is through the introduction of ionizable metallic salts.
Now, what does that mean?
And also of an extremely small size, down to submicron level.
Well, I would suspect, you know, if we looked into the cloud seeding, and I could be mistaken, but I suspect the particles that we're dealing with would be a magnitude.
Those are crystals we're talking about, you know, in a conventional sense.
The size of these is so incredibly small.
A sub-micron of human hair is 60 to 100 microns.
Bacteria are on the order of 10 microns.
What I'm speaking of is on the order of a submicron most likely.
So the size of what you're talking about is truly a unique, let's say represents a truly unique opportunity for physical change in terms of how clouds form and this type of thing.
But this business of ionization appears to be extremely important.
The materials that are being found, specific ones would be calcium, magnesium, and barium.
My tests have repeatedly shown these.
Barium is of tremendous concern here because it is a highly toxic element in soluble form.
It's quite on par with arsenic in terms of its toxicity in soluble form.
And what I'm speaking of would be in soluble form because you're talking about clouds and moisture.
These particular elements, calcium, barium, and magnesium, with special emphasis upon calcium and barium.
These materials have a really unique property in that if you subject them to the energy that is available in sunlight, both visible light and ultraviolet light, particularly the ultraviolet light portion of the spectrum, basically the energy within sunlight is sufficient to cause these materials to become electrically charged.
That's what ionized means.
An ion is an electrically charged material.
If you can ionize a material and throw electrons into a gas, namely the air.
Now we're talking about a very open door in terms of the physics of what you have created.
There is a word called plasma, and many of us are familiar with a neon light tube, this type of thing.
A neon light tube is filled with gas, and yet what happens?
You send energy from point A to point B, you create light.
That same idea is what I'm talking about here.
It is quite conceivable and appears to be the end goal, certainly what Harp explicitly describes, is that if you can increase the electron density in the atmosphere, you can create what is called a plasma.
And a plasma is an electrically conductive gas.
If you create an electrically conductive gas, In my mind, it's literally an open door towards the transmission and control and manipulation of energy in that environment.
We're talking about electromagnetic energy, ELF energy.
The wavelength that our bodies work upon is 0 to 100 Hertz, ELF energy.
Over and over and over, I have detected the presence of It appears clearly artificial.
There's no explanation I can come for it in a natural sense at all.
This is stepped intervals of 4 Hertz.
Artificial energy at the ELF level.
These are the waves that our bodies work at, our brains work at, our minds work at.
So everything to me says that a grand design behind this project is to, and has been, to create a altered atmosphere that is now usable for the transmission, let's say enhanced transmission and propagation of electromagnetic energy,
a component of which includes ELF energy. a component of which includes ELF energy.
ELF energy can be used to store, if you pump it like a Tesla would deal with its resonance If you pulse ELF energy, you can store tremendous amounts of energy at the level of a geophysical weapon.
There's something called a heave weapon.
If you read that Hart Report, there's something called a heave weapon.
A heave weapon is where you actually lift up the magnetic field of the Earth, and it is equivalent in energy as well as apparently effect.
To the types of things you would see with an atomic bomb, with the advantage that you don't actually detonate anything.
You know, I once did a talk up there in Taos, New Mexico, and I started right at the beginning.
I said, folks, sorry.
But the main questions you want, the five W's, who, what, when, where, why, whatever, you're not going to get a simple direct answer.
We don't have it, unfortunately.
You're dealing with observations that have to be taken by citizens on the ground, because there is no forthcoming information on this whatsoever.
Now, that being said, I will say this.
There are many individuals that have stated that these planes are a certain type of plane, say a military tank or this type of thing.
There are people that have said commercial aircraft, it's a joke to think that they are even remotely involved in this.
What I do is I just collect the data and if you look at my early work, the early work for the first year or two was nothing more than collecting photographs, almost entirely.
I focused on getting images.
And I would post these images, the best that I could get with telescopic images, telephoto images, and post them, and ask the question, what type of plane is this?
What are we dealing with?
And all I will say, if you look at the photographs that I have taken, some of them which are truly remarkable, in that they clearly show emissions from the entire wingspan.
I have five of these, very good examples.
They show emissions across the entire wingspan, a continuous stream.
It doesn't come from the engines in that case.
I'm not saying in all cases at all.
But I do believe there have been different methods that have been used and experimented upon or tried.
But in that case, it doesn't even come from the engines.
If you look at those aircraft and you identify them, all I can say is they are commercial type aircraft.
In those that I have programmed, I'm not saying they're commercial aircraft because I can't see.
I can't see the people.
I can't see the markings with my equipment.
They are commercial type equipment.
And I will clearly say that the evidence actually strongly, more than strongly, implicates the involvement and collusion and incorporation of the commercial airline industry within this operation.
I have seen one jet flying at the same altitude, just a few miles away, here in Austin, not leaving trails that stay there for an hour or two, or leaving no trail at all, and right next to it a jet leaving a trail that's there three hours later.
Yeah, you know, the classic arguments against these, and I'm familiar with most of them, but, you know, people will say, oh, you know, the planes are operating two different altitudes and the atmospheric conditions are different.
Sorry, folks, it just doesn't hold.
Anybody that digs into this seriously will see that, you know, the conditions that you're describing there are not at variance enough to describe the tremendous difference in what Alex is speaking of right now.
Now I want to know, I mean, could this be some type of resonant energy in the atmosphere that just makes normal condensation trails behave differently?
Now what happens, to the best of my knowledge, Alex, is this.
in terms of the physics of what's going on.
When you ask, you ask the question, how could you have a, I can't call them clouds, because they're not really clouds anymore, but let's use that term for right now.
Let's say you have a bank, a bank or layer at 35,000 to 40,000 feet.
The region that was traditionally home to thin, high cirrus clouds, wispy clouds, and they would subsequently develop into fuller cloud forms that would descend to lower altitudes.
But the high altitudes, 35,000 feet, were reserved primarily for thin, wispy clouds and not a whole lot more.
You have to ask the question, how at 35,000 to 40,000 feet could you have a continuous thick layer start to develop?
And it is with the introduction of the salt, a certain type of salt, not just any salt.
But if you introduced a salt that can absorb moisture when the humidity is roughly 30-35%, which there are certain salts that do that, the type that I'm speaking of, now you change things because now you're able to collect and absorb moisture on extremely small particles.
And let's talk about clouds for a second, because let's talk about a difference between two things.
Contrails, if you look at what a contrail is, contrails form, it's, you know, what happens when you breathe on a cold winter day, right?
Stay there, we'll have to talk about it when we get back.
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Not only is there the harp effects of weapons or manipulation or conductivity of so many different things, anti-personnel on multiple levels, but it seems to be associated with weather modification.
When big storms are coming in for sure, you see these jets coming in even lower.
I mean, I've seen trails getting laid down at 10, 15, 5000 feet.
Which I never saw before in the past, in front of the storms, knocking them out, stopping them.
A lot of researchers have pointed that out.
So can you comment on some of the other aspects of this?
First would be to corroborate and confirm what it is you're saying there.
There clearly is a very definite association with weather fronts in terms of these operations.
Moisture is absolutely being altered.
Moisture patterns.
You know, the claim that these are benevolent operations has just never worked from the data side.
If I could see that in the data, I would raise that scenario, but it doesn't fit.
Everything here shows a covert operation, which has a malevolent effect on both the planet as well as those who live upon it.
Moisture is being altered.
Storm systems are being affected and manipulated.
And, you know, it's a real curious thing, but if you actually look into the explanations, they don't make any sense at all in terms of what's offered here.
They'll say that these things are being conducted during times of high humidity.
I've looked at the humidity here, and I've looked at it up high, with all the balloons.
I've looked at it all the way up to 50,000, even 100,000, whatever those balloons go, 65,000 feet.
We do not have high humidity up there, and the lies that are being put forth about supposedly this is happening in a high humidity environment, it doesn't hold water at all.
And as a matter of fact, talking about association with storms, I did quite a bit of work to actually try and determine what is the pattern?
When are these planes coming in?
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Clifford Carnicom, Ben Livingston flew into hurricanes, he flew into the even bigger storms they have in the Pacific, the typhoons.
He, uh, Stanford Research Facility certified his work for the Navy.
He was the head of their big weapons research facility that they were able to kill and knock down hurricanes in the late 60s.
But then our government says, oh, they know nothing about it and there's nothing they can do about hurricanes.
So we know they're being secretive.
If they can knock down hurricanes, We also know that they can empower and increase the power of hurricanes.
Livingston over Vietnam, with just a few planes, would take tiny clouds and cause ten feet of rain to fall, flooding people on the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
So we know they can manipulate the weather, even with seeding technologies.
You add into this other technologies, it's powerful.
What do they appear to be doing with these chemical sprays with the weather?
Well, I think this would come to a surprise to many people, but if you actually look at the data, if you find a paper I wrote called Ions and Humidity, The big surprise to me here is that the timing of these operations actually occurs, appears to occur most likely, when the humidity is at, and I have to use the word, a local minimum.
What this means is low relative to before and after.
It doesn't mean in absolute sense low.
It means relative to what's happening before and to what's to transpire afterwards.
If you find these points, what you call a local minimum of humidity, this appears to be the most likely time that these operations are coming in.
That actually makes sense if you look at what's going on with what you're talking about.
That is the most advantageous time to come in.
It's right before the storm, not during the storm, but right before it comes in.
And I'm talking, my work will show a period of several hours, basically a window of two to three hours.
You can see that it is timed to get in there right at this absolute maximum advantage point of getting these particles in before the moisture comes in.
And I believe that would be so you would have maximum absorption basically.
The BBC, and I know you saw it, had a big photograph from space of England completely covered with what it called condensation trails, and then in the article it went on to say that NASA says the Earth is 20% darker, and then just put that there, didn't make any connection to condensation trails, just had that in the space photograph.
and it's a spider web and they didn't do that until six, seven years ago.
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The mass media keeps telling us that we are the richest, most powerful economy in the world.
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So you've got these Malthusian, Dr. Pionkian, remember the UT scientist who gets the 95% standing ovation saying he wants to kill everybody, Dr. Peter Singer, Prince Philip, Ted Turner, Prince Charles, the Club of Rome, these are Henry Kissinger documents, CIA, all public.
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But this is the reality.
And so they are drying out the planet.
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And then you've got all the low altitude spraying.
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So let's go to your calls.
Please have your questions and comments to be brief so the next person gets time.
Dave in California.
Thanks for holding your on the air with Clifford Carnicom.
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Thanks, Alex.
Hi, Mr. Carnicom, and thank you for everything you do.
I have two data points for you.
I live in the Pacific Northwest, and especially this last year, I've been watching very closely.
What we're seeing here is off the coast, at low level, we're seeing multiple laydowns just in front of the marine layer when it comes on shore in the afternoon and evening.
Always in front of wet weather storms, and just this last year was happening in front of every storm that we had, and we had 150% of rainfall this year.
That's number one.
And number two, and this is really disturbing to me, I've noticed that we don't see any insects around here anymore at all.
There was white light on all night, last night, outside, and I went and looked this morning.
There were two little moths and a couple of bugs circling the light.
We know that we're not really having global warming.
We're having global, very dangerous, fast-moving change.
Is what's happening.
Could the globalists be trying to create all sorts of climate shifts and huge disasters as a way to scare us into accepting this new global tax they're proposing through the global warming hysteria they're pushing?
It's hard for me to determine intent, but what I can say is what's happening.
And it is happening.
You know, for a long time, you still find people, they're out there saying, this stuff is protecting the earth, and this is cooling the earth, and this is counteracting global warming.
My work shows exactly the opposite.
If you look at the effects of these materials, the physics of these materials, it is expected It is expected that they heat up the earth.
And it wasn't there seven, eight years ago, was it, George?
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Oh no, I'm 57, and I do know, I don't know if it's just in my imagination, but it seems like the sun is a whole lot brighter than it was when I was a kid.
Well, that could be a lensing effect because of the atmospheric differential.
That's why the sun looks bigger on the horizon, because you're looking through the atmosphere at its thickest point over hundreds of miles, not just through the 20 miles straight up.
But what you just said is true.
NASA just announced that they thought the last 11 and a half year cycle was the biggest ever.
Now they're reporting the sun is on line to be 50% brighter in the next cycle.
It's so interesting, you can actually look at a lot of the popular claims that are out there and you can actually gauge that indeed it may be an intentional disinformation mode to do so because You know, they'll claim that this material is somehow there.
It's always somehow.
You know, the mechanics and physics are never really explained.
Clifford, before I forget, did you see the big write-up on the federally written textbook where they tell the kids that the government's putting a sunscreen up there to keep us safe?
You know, I was at the bookstore just a couple weeks ago, and I go through meteorology books occasionally and such.
You have a meteorology book out there now, which has a whole new generation.
I'm not going to call them clouds.
I use three words.
I use contrails, clouds, and aerosols.
I actually don't use the word chemtrails.
In this meteorology book, you will find out an entire new generation of constructed forms.
And I won't even call them clouds, because they don't qualify.
They don't qualify.
They did not exist.
Go pick up the aviation charts, pre-90, and look at the cloud forms that are there in the textbooks.
Aviation books, meteorology books.
Go look at what's being described now to the kids in popular literature in terms of cloud types and infinite variations.
of things that have no physical basis unless you introduce a water-loving salt material that completely changes the dynamics and changes the atmosphere.
Yes, this is Tom in Texas, and I'd like to say I've been watching these since 1999.
I've made some personal observations over long periods of time.
I can tell you some of the places these planes fly in and out of.
As a matter of fact, I can tell you the fuel companies who contract to fuel them.
In Wichita, Kansas, I watched 40 modified KC-135s that have the, used to be a four-engine aircraft modified, but the two engines on the wing, the more powerful engine, come in and refueled by Grondike aircraft.
I've seen them at the Jinker Air Force Base, come in there as many as a dozen of them in three groups.
They seem to run in groups of 40.
Also in Lincoln, Nebraska, I've collected also the spiderweb residual after these things two years ago.
I was out at the Austin-Birchstrom Airport about five years ago, and I wasn't poo-pooing chemtrails, but I was poo-pooing the spiderwebs.
And I'm there, and under the streetlights, these giant, 20-foot wide, I was with Mike Hanson, spiderwebs are hitting us in the face, and it was coming off from the planes.
Well, I know that coming out three years ago, DARPA has told the Baltimore Sun that they may put up towers with electromagnetic fields to make us behave better.
We'll come back in the final segment with Lever Carnarvon and talk to Eleanor and others that are patiently holding.
I mean, this is bizarre stuff going on, but everything's bizarre.
I mean, everything's crazy.
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Yes, as a matter of fact, if you look at a paper I did related to humidity, If the humidity is high enough, indeed, it's possible to linger essentially indefinitely.
Unfortunately, those conditions don't actually exist or occur too often.
Well, I just want to say, I had never seen it until the late 90s, and I know that if it's really, you know, a lot of humidity, it's cold, you can just get ice crystal trails up there as you know well, but you're a pilot.
And again, I'm not saying everything is a trail, every plane's doing it.
I'm saying there is some type of weird program going on from all the evidence we have.
I mean, you're a pilot, Danny, do you ever walk outside I agree.
Do you see days where it's nothing but trails and they're below 10,000 feet?
Because believe me, brother, I've taken photos of it.
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I've seen where the spraying and the trails spread and cover the whole sky.
But I've also seen days that are not very frequent where you'll have a small trail created and it'll just not dissipate, but it remains small.
In terms of the second question, in terms of the chemical, you'll notice I never use the word chemtrail because there's no real basis for that at this point.
What can be accurately assessed is that they are aerosols.
Certain elements have been repeatedly identified at ground level.
But it's really not quite fair to extrapolate that to the direct source until that's done properly.
But nevertheless, in terms of what compounds are there, it appears as though it would be feasible if the materials are small enough.
Again, we need the information here, but from my side, it appears as though it would be feasible if materials are small enough, and we are speaking at the submicron level, that a fuel system could be developed.
There is certainly strong evidence of delivery systems.
Uh, that, uh, have existed.
Uh, but in terms of the grand scale operation, we don't have a bird's eye view of the source, but it is feasible to me that at the sub-micron level you could be dealing with a... What about those photos?
Anybody, anybody that claims any photographs, uh, showing nozzles and such, uh, to me at this point They are totally inadequate until they are documented properly, and to me, I can't say I've seen that yet.
I'm not saying they're not, I'm just saying to me there is no sufficient evidence of direct eye-to-eye photography of source material.
Hey Alex, thanks for having Clifford on the program with you today.
This really shows how brave you are, how brave Clifford is.
I wanted to ask a question about provocateurs because Clifford, I've used your information and a lot of my listeners have posted that on message boards.
We have been attacked by organized groups on the internet.
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It's all over the place.
We've got a link to it up on InfoWars.com right now.
Great guy.
Clifford Carnicom, what about the different weathermen?
There have been several meteorologists that have gone public, who work for TV stations, saying that they can clearly see the jets flying and blocking weather, and that they're seeing weather patterns that they've never seen in their careers, and in some cases, spanning decades, and then, you know, back to college, that there are new types of clouds, that new things are happening.
What's your take on their comments and what they bring to the plate?
My last question for you before we take three final calls is, getting outside the science, getting outside just your research, what do you, bottom line, think it's really all about?
I remember watching a Discovery Channel program, I think it was called Trinity, out there at the Trinity grounds where they tested the nukes, and they had a line in there where they were shooting in one night something like 20 huge hydrogen bombs into the upper atmosphere and detonating them, and they said that they thought it might ignite the world's atmosphere, but they were still going to do it.
I mean, what is the mindset of these That's right.
You know, there may come a time, the way we're headed, where you won't have the opportunity to even address the question or answer the problem if you're not willing to act now.
Again, I may not be able to ascribe intent, but what I can say is that it is expected that there will be increased mortality, as well as the potential of a huge host of unknown pathogens that we are subject to.
And this is not based on speculation.
And there's a whole arena of biological research that we haven't begun to touch on, which is very real.
All right, I know you've got to go in just a moment.
Let's just rampage through these calls.
Eleanor in Tennessee, thanks for holding her on the air.
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Well Alex, in the late 90s I lay on the ground outside and observed fixed-wing aircraft, two of them, one going back and forth one way in one area of the sky, another going back and forth in another area of the sky.
They were low enough that I could see they had a canister on either side of the aircraft behind the front wings.
From those canisters came these clouds of whatever.
You know, with whatever was being spewed out, the planes were going back and forth over an area, expressing the substance, till the sky is full of trails.
Within four or five hours, the trails spread out.
They come together to form what I call a blanket over the sky.
I had read where the Russians used such during World War II to keep the Germans from Thank you, Ali.
Well, and some of it's real, some of it, you know, is legitimate, though we've caught them doing biological, chemical, radiological tests where this is a cover.
But two months ago, I'm listening to the radio, Southwest Austin today, don't be alarmed if you see small aircraft spraying, they're trying to kill, I believe it was the Chinese something boar beetle or something.
And then, oh, there's a deadly mosquito in Corpus Christi when I was down there fishing.
And so you'll see planes spraying.
So there are other planes out spraying legitimately.
Sure, I have a classic photo of that, one of the early ones that was taken, which is used to make this point.
And that is, in some cases, it's clearly, let's say, artificially controlled and distributed.
And that particular photo I'm talking about, let me say there was a great deal of interest by certain parties to try and identify the location, source, and timing of that photograph.
And I know that there was a clear effort to want to identify that particular pilot of that particular plane at that time, because it's a rather incriminating photograph if you look at it, taken up in Colorado.
And the explanations of variation in meteorological conditions don't explain the appropriate way.
I have a news release I just sent over to Alex's website.
It's about oily gunk on homes.
Oily substances on Saturday were showered upon their homes and cars, and it's an oily residue that all the neighborhoods, the whole township, Got sprayed with some kind of mist.
Well, that happens all the time, and they try to claim that it's, you know, that it's sewage matter from malfunctioning planes, but what do you do when a whole town gets covered with green or black goo?
I can't speak for an oily residue, but what I can speak for is a failure.
No matter what the material is, if you have airborne materials that are unexplained that pose a potential health risk or a potential pollution risk, It seems quite reasonable.
Yeah, Fish and Wildlife should be responsible for analyzing them.
The EPA has failed us tremendously on this regard.
They don't satisfy any natural exploration whatsoever.
They are at the sub-micron level.
Asbestos fibers are 2 microns or less.
Most fibers are 10, 12 microns.
These things are sub-micron in size.
There are biological components that have been repeatedly identified within these fibers.
We don't know what they are properly, but I've done quite a bit of analysis, and my work is up there.
there there is probably 300 200 pages I would guess at least analysis of these fibers up there yeah okay so I may have been cut off there but there's been quite a body of research that's been done there to analyze it from the perspective that I can the
Do you think the two are connected because we have the reports of these tiny fibers and that's what's reported to be coming out of skin and then we have real serious doctors?
Talking to people and, you know, removing it where clearly there's been no incision, it's just somehow in them?
It is not delusional that they knowingly for ten years put AIDS virus and HIV in hundreds of thousands of hemophiliacs, blood supply here in the US, tens of thousands in Canada, and hundreds of thousands worldwide.
It is not a conspiracy theory that they gave black men syphilis.
It is not a conspiracy theory they nerve gassed US troops.
It is not a conspiracy theory, so all of this is open for discussion.
And anybody that tells you you shouldn't look into something has got a serious problem.
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Well, there's no real terrorist threat outside what criminal elements of the government are carrying out.
Here's a story out of News 7 out of Denver, Colorado.
Marshals, innocent people placed on a watch list to meet quota.
Marshals say they must file one surveillance detection report, or SDR, per month.
When you're put in a terrorist database, you could be on a senior government database on which lists for simply taking a picture on an airplane.
Some federal air marshals say they're reporting your actions to meet a quota, even though some top officials deny it.
The Air Marshals' identities are being concealed, told 7 News.
They go risk their careers and everything to tell this, and the Feds say, oh, it's not true, because they're so trustworthy.
The Air Marshals' identities are being concealed, told 7 News.
They were required to submit at least one report a month.
If they don't, there's no raise, no bonus, no awards, and no special assignments.
Innocent passengers are being entered into an international intelligence database of suspicious persons.
By the way, they've told me I'm on this.
Acting in a suspicious manner or on an aircraft and they did nothing wrong, said one Federal Air Marshal.
Well that's the whole plan in a secret police society!
It isn't about stopping terror, it's about getting us all in databases!
And by the way, we're going to be writing a big article on this.
I've sent it to Paul Watson.
Jerome Corsi broke it on my show yesterday.
We've since, on the federal government's own website, found their PDF file.
You will have an American Union ID card.
As Ridge said, I told you four years ago, I saw Homeland Security Ed Ridge, then Ed, say that there'll be four levels of how you're trusted.
Green, yellow, orange, red.
Bad credit, you get a yellow, and you have no rights.
Oh, you have rights if you're green, but no rights for things Yes, it's actually happening my friends.
It just boggles the mind.
All the illegal aliens will be instantly legalized.
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It just boggles the mind.
A program note, C-SPAN claims they'll be airing the big 9/11 scholars symposium, American scholars symposium, 9/11 Neocon agenda, round table discussion, panel discussion we had three plus weeks ago, They claim this Saturday, 8 p.m.
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But they still haven't posted it on the schedule.
And the reason I'm concerned is they said, oh, it might be the next week.
So they're trying to make us basically forget about all this, or the war in Iran is going to kick off and this isn't going to happen.
Who knows?
It's just normally they air something within two weeks.
So call in to C-SPAN, Washington Journal every morning and say, hey, when is that going on the schedule?
Hey, when is that?
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