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Well, my friends, it is Friday, November 11, 2011.
We're going to be live here for the next three hours, and I'll tell you, so many times, Mondays and Fridays shape up to be our most powerful broadcast, and today is certainly going in that direction.
It just came out yesterday.
Well, it was actually published this morning, and we picked it up Just a few hours later, Professor Thinks Bombs, Not Planes, toppled WTC.
Stuart Johnson, Desert Morning News, took the particular photo of Professor Jones, and it's him standing there with a screen behind him showing the buildings blowing up.
And this was written by Elaine Jarvik out of the Desert Morning News.
The physics of 9-11, including how fast and symmetrically one of the World Trade Center buildings fell, prove official explanations of the collapse are wrong, says a Brigham Young University physics professor.
In fact, it's likely that there were pre-positioned explosives in all three buildings at Ground Zero, says Stephen E. Jones.
No relation to this, Jones.
In a paper posted online Tuesday and accepted for peer review publication next year, Jones adds his voice to those of previous skeptics, including the authors of the website WTC7.net, an incredibly well done site, whose research Jones quotes.
Jones' article can be found at physics.byu.edu forward slash research forward slash energy html seven dot html.
And we've got it all posted on InfoWars.com right now, and the professor is writing something special for us as well to post on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
He'll be joining us in, well, exactly 13 minutes from now.
Then coming up in the second hour, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, the John M. Olin Fellow at the Institute for Public Political Economy, And Research Fellow at the Independent Institute.
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So, that's coming up to cover a host of issues, like this article he wrote, the Syria scam, and several other reports here that he's put out.
The police state is closer than you think.
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Paul Craig Roberts joins us, and then Bob Dacey, local talk show host, contributor to Infowars.com.
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And we do have a professor joining us in about five minutes, a physics professor, tenured, a senior, there at Brigham Young University, Stephen E. Jones, to talk about the deep analysis he's done of the findings that we have already, of course, published.
But he's added to it of the impossibility of the towers being destroyed by those aircraft.
Especially Building 7 not hit by an aircraft.
A few small fires magically implodes with the exact control demolitions signature.
I mean it's the equivalent of saying that a penguin sprouted rockets and flew to the moon by itself.
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Again, we'll be in studio with us.
Before our guest joins us here in about five minutes before the professor comes on with us, I just want to comment on something.
President Bush and Alberto Gonzales, the Attorney General, should be arrested and arrested now.
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They claim that you cannot indict a sitting president, but you can impeach him and then indict him.
But you can certainly indict the Attorney General.
You can certainly indict some of the other individuals in the White House.
The Attorney General's Openly, when he was Chief White House Counsel, said that they can torture people to death, in the famous Gonzales memos, there were four of them, and that if they die under torture, if we didn't kill them on purpose, then it's not torture.
And that we simply change the name to pressure.
So, so, because they semantically changed the name, it's no longer torture.
And I remember right after 9-11, going into 2002, they had the CIA section chief of the Washington Post saying, torture is good, and we're torturing people in third-party countries, Egypt, Jordan, and even some Eastern Bloc nations.
And then some of the lighter photos got released from Abu Ghraib of the dogs biting people, and sewing people up without anesthesia, and beating people, and people who've been beaten to death.
I see light photos.
The Congress admits there's photos of children being raped and women being raped.
We're talking about small children here.
I know the neocons probably say, good, we gotta get Tub on Terror.
But I thought Joseph Mingala tortured children.
So is Joseph Mingala good?
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Were the North Vietnamese torturing our troops good?
Or are they bad?
Well, I'll say they're bad.
I still have my moral compass.
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I couldn't believe in horror three years ago, I was debating people on air about this.
I had guests on who were, yeah Alex, you've sold out to Al-Qaeda, we need to torture.
But now they're shamed, many of them.
But some are still on the radio.
I heard some guy on WOAI last night going, I like it, it's good, we need more of it.
So what?
We ought to get rough.
That's because it's now come out that they have these torture camps All over the Eastern Bloc.
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So they've got them all over.
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In these former torture chambers that the Soviets had.
And they're doing unspeakable things there.
Then the Senate comes out and says, we're passing a law saying that you've got to follow the Army manual, you can't brutalize people, you can only torture them a little bit.
And Bush says, oh no, I'm going to veto that, while simultaneously saying he's against torture.
Then, simultaneously, we have Dick Cheney coming out and saying, no, no, no, the CIA needs to continue to be able to torture people.
So, they're sending Grainer to jail.
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And he's disappeared into one of the very camps he was helping run.
So for those out there doing the torture, you better understand, your Fuhrer won't protect you.
This is unprecedented.
It is not... I shouldn't even have to be on the air saying we shouldn't torture.
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That's in the Gonzales Memos.
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So, clearly, if you're going to put Greiner in prison, and England in prison, and a few other demons in prison, then we've got to move for impeachment and indictments.
And why others haven't called for it, I don't know.
And you know, folks, I've been a Republican, I am a conservative.
Just like Dr. Roberts coming on in the next hour.
He says the exact same things I'm saying.
We are living in a nightmare.
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They're not stopping.
I've got family, folks, who is in Special Forces.
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Alright, I am honored to have our guest with us for the Balance of the Hour the next 45 minutes.
And here's the headline of the Desert Morning News.
It's up on InfoWars.com.
We've also put up there his The physics paper that he wrote up on this, his hypothesis, he's going according to scientific fact.
He's just saying, okay, well the evidence, the science, the math shows this, that it had to be explosives, but I'm open for debate.
He's not even saying that's what happened.
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And I can only commend him for doing this.
He joins German Defense Ministers and Technology Ministers.
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He joins Paul Craig Roberts.
He joins Mr. Reynolds from other major federal departments, Chief Economist.
He joins quadrants of people And other professors who have come out and just said this is impossible.
Of course we have Larry Silverstein saying he blew it up, so I don't know what more of that you need.
I mean, there's an admission.
But we are honored to be joined by Stephen E. Jones.
I guess no relation to the Oklahoma City bombing lawyer and no relation to Alex Jones.
But Stephen E. Jones, keeping up with the Joneses.
Professor Jones, Dr. Jones, good to have you on with us.
I was pleased that the Deseret Morning News here, which is one of our major papers in Utah, was able to put this and willing to put it on the front page of their paper yesterday.
There's a snowball effect of prominent people, very respected and in impeccable records, that are now just saying, look, the Emperor is not wearing any clothes.
Yeah, and as you mentioned, and I appreciate your fairness in that, my paper, which is available, as you mentioned, I hope people will actually read it.
That's their homework for today, as I like to tell my students.
But in my paper, I present evidence for explosive demolition, particularly of Building 7, World Trade Center 7, but also the towers.
I mean, Building 7 was not even hit by a jet.
So this common knee-jerk reaction, we hear, oh, it was the jet fuel and jets and so on.
But there was no jet that hit Building 7, yet it came down symmetrically.
So the evidence is strong, but at the same time I'm presenting it as a hypothesis that needs to be investigated further.
The easiest thing to do, folks, is go to InfoWars.com.
We have links to the website itself and we're mirroring his paper.
We've posted it.
We've grabbed it.
We have a link to WTC7.net as well.
Just premier research.
They focus specifically in on that.
And also we have a link to the Desert Morning News.
Professor thinks bombs, not planes.
Topple WTC7.
We'll be right back after this quick break.
Stay with us.
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This just doesn't make sense.
None of this does.
And there's literally hundreds of points that one of them destroys the entire story.
And I know what the professor, the doctor, is doing.
You know, he's not saying I have to prove what I'm saying.
He's saying, hey, prove what you're saying, because it's impossible.
Doctor, I'll continue.
Tell us, just in a nutshell, when you started to wake up, what the main questions were, when the light bulb really went off, how much research you did, and then let's go through your research paper.
It was actually last May, so I'm kind of a Johnny-come-lately to this research, but I've really studied it vigorously since then.
In May, I went to a talk by a woman who had had near-death experience.
My wife is very interested in this, and I had some interest in it, but it wasn't that.
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So apparently quite a few people around here had studied this and she hit a point that That raised a great deal of interest and certainly in me I decided I better study this and find out what was going on.
I mean, yeah, okay, right, but I mean to me it was just the initiation of the research.
Then I fortunately I found Jim Hoffman's WTC7.net very quickly.
Jim has done a great deal of solid research.
Now, in my paper, I point out that there is some research that is not as solid, and that tends to distract from the more firm scientific effort, unfortunately.
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The building 7, the squibs coming off, I looked at the timing and the sequence of these squibs and of course I'm in communication then with Jim Hoffman.
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We're not taking calls right now on other subjects.
We're talking about control demolitions, what really brought the towers down.
But before I go any further, it's important for you to understand that I had come into possession of official U.S.
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So I said on TV and radio that they would probably attack it in the next month or two, and indeed that did happen.
And you know, I don't make many predictions.
That's my sources.
And on day one I came out and exposed the fact 7 had clearly been blown up and that was a smoking gun and that there were clearly explosives in the other towers as well.
But 7 is a smoking gun.
And I went to New York last year and I went right up to the buildings and I showed how buildings snug up against the towers and had towers fall on them, burned for over a day, didn't collapse, nothing collapsed.
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Going back to our guest, again who I'm so honored to have on the line with us from Brigham Young University.
And that is, of course, Stephen E. Jones.
Dr. Jones is a professor of physics.
This is what he studies.
For every action, there's an equal or greater reaction.
And we're now seeing the chickens come home to roost on this fairy tale.
Because now the people that don't want to... People who said I was a kook two years ago.
I mean, big reporters at ABC News and other people who've attacked me.
Washington Post, others.
Before, I was crazy to say there were bombs in the buildings.
But now, oh yeah, there probably were bombs.
Al-Qaeda had planted them.
Folks, it takes months of teams drilling and planting to do this, okay?
Do you understand?
But again, I'm going to shut up.
Let's go back to the professor.
Professor, you were talking about problems with the official story as you were awakening in the last year, as you were researching this, as you were studying this.
Before I go on to problems in the official story, what you said triggered some thought in my mind about why I decided to come public.
I mean, I mentioned why I decided to research it initially just last May.
So, compared to you, I'm really a Johnny-come-lately here.
But I have pursued it vigorously for months now.
Very interesting.
It's fascinating to find something new.
I look at conservation of momentum.
I look at the symmetry of the fall, the time of the fall, I compare that with conservation of momentum, and conservation of anchoring momentum comes to play in building, that is, the South Tower.
But where I decided finally to come public with this, a lot of that had to do with a man by the name of Kevin Ryan.
And I'm sure you know Kevin, or have heard of him.
And he wrote a letter to Frank Gale at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, NIST.
And he said, look, we've built these models that trade I mean, you know, and then he goes through some arguments regarding the temperature required to cause the warping and creep to get actual collapse.
And he said, we're just not getting, you see, with fires, whether it's jet fuel, which burns off fairly quickly.
And then office materials, paper, furniture, and so on burning.
Well, we're just not getting the temperatures to cause the models to collapse.
And so he said it's very unlikely that the buildings, the World Trade Center buildings, collapse due to fire and damage.
Right, it is close to kerosene, that's right Alec.
And so, and of course paper fires, you can imagine most, a lot of us have been camping, we burn fires.
You could use paper, it burns a little bit hotter than wood, but you don't see your steel pan melting or warping too badly, usually.
But the point of this is they built actual models, as requested by NIST, at Underwriters Laboratory, and they didn't collapse.
Kevin then became a whistleblower as he wrote this letter.
He said, it just doesn't add up.
Let me quote from the final NIST report on this subject.
Anyway, it's the courage of people like Kevin Ryan that I decided, you know, I've got to look at this too.
It's a very serious scientific objection to the fire-based theory.
But let me quote from the NIST report if I can, and this is in my paper.
And it's on page 141 of the final NIST report on the collapse of the towers.
And they say, NIST contracted with Underwriters Laboratories Incorporated to conduct tests to obtain information on the fire endurance of trusses like those in the WTC towers.
All four test specimens sustained the maximum design load for approximately two hours without collapsing.
And so they go on, these results establish that this type of assembly, they're talking about the assembly in the towers, was capable of sustaining a large gravity load without collapsing for a substantial period of time relative to the duration of fires in any given location on September 11th.
So in other words, they're admitting that the models, just like Kevin Ryan said, the models do not collapse.
This is being scientifically tested by the major dominant international company that underwrites these hundred million dollar structures.
But let's expand on that.
We have, again, hundreds of major fires in the last seventy-five years of modern steel buildings.
The latest was the Madrid building, burned for almost forty-eight hours with hundred-foot white-hot flames, and that's, you know, white-hot as hot as it gets, shooting out And some tiny little inch of round metal up in the ceilings collapsed but none of the big supports even got damaged.
I mean there were still desks and furniture that hadn't melted that had been in the center of the inferno.
Yes, well, yeah, as you read in the NIST and FEMA reports, which I've read through, it makes interesting reading actually, because, well, like the part I just quoted.
Yeah, the models don't fail, but we'll try computer hypotheticals, is what they resorted to in the NIST report.
Now, FEMA had the decency to say, look, This hypothesis, they call it the best hypothesis, is the only one they looked at, really, which is fire caused collapse of Building 7, has only a low probability of occurrence.
I quote that in my paper also, this FEMA.
So to their credit, they admit, we don't understand, and they say, they say that, we don't understand.
But what they should do, as good scientists, is say, now, what other hypothesis might apply?
We see squids.
We see a fast symmetrical collapse of this building.
That's exactly what I was about to bring up, Doctor, is that what is it in science when all the evidence over and over again in scientific testing shows, and in real life over and over again replicated with the exact same response, but then they ignore all of that historical evidence.
Ooh, that's a perfect controlled demolition.
I mean, there were controlled demolition experts and engineers.
You see, this is what we call in science, and I've studied a number of examples, what we call pathological science.
"Man, I've blown buildings like that." Well, that's a crimp.
I mean, then all the real experts, until they got told to shut up, were like, "That's ridiculous." But why do they ignore that then, Doctor? - You see, this is what we call in science, and I've studied a number of examples.
And that's pathological science to ignore all these other data.
And of course, to beat me up below that foregone conclusion... Well, it shows an agenda.
It does.
It does.
And the foregone conclusion as I mentioned in my paper is that they seem to be pushing for the Muslims did it and we don't want to consider any possibility of any other explanation.
Well, it's unscientific, that's what I'm trying to say.
We need to broaden the scientific investigation to include the obvious hypothesis of explosive demolition.
I mean, more and more prominent individuals, I mean, I remember within a week, they had one of the chief scientists at the big mining college in New Mexico, with several degrees, a doctorate, and he went public and said, only explosives could do this.
I've done the mass explosives ratio.
He's an explosives doctor, you know, expert on that, explosives engineer, excuse me.
And they just said, look, we're going to take your funding if you don't shut up.
You know, Jack Wayland, a professor up in Idaho, and Jeff Strahl, who's out at University of California, Berkeley.
Jim Hoffman, of course.
David Griffin has done some excellent work, as you know, and books on these subjects.
But I haven't talked to Romero.
I was disappointed in his retraction without an explanation.
Usually when a scientist retracts a statement, which is, as you say, a very strong statement, it looks just like demolition, the characteristics match demolition, and so on.
This is on 9-11.
But then for him to retract a few days later without an explanation, That makes me think, well, that's not very scientific.
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Before we talk to Lew in California and a few others that want to talk to you, Doctor, here briefly, anything else you'd like to add?
There is an issue that I've looked at that's puzzling, and you've been to Ground Zero, and that is this molten metal that's reported in publications as molten metal was found in the basement of both towers after they collapsed and Building 7.
A prime piece of scientific information.
It is not mentioned in any of the government-funded reports.
Or at least they tended to use that as an explanation.
I think, though, that this molten metal, now I'm not convinced it was molten steel until it's analyzed, you see.
And so in my paper I call for As a scientific courtesy, when a government agency, which is taxpayer money, does a report, they should make them the data available to another scientist.
And of course, the steel beams, most of them, except for 236, I think, These hundreds of thousands of tons of steel are carted off to Asia for recycling.
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We're talking about thermite.
And of course, thermite is used in these, I guess, kind of these white phosphorus bombs in warfare.
Thermite will burn right through anything, and you're talking about this molten metal down in the basement, which NASA did photograph with its sensors.
So, the reaction in thermite, the chemical reaction, involves iron oxide, basically rust, with which we're mostly, all of us, familiar.
And aluminum powder.
And when these are caused to ignite, which requires a fairly high temperature to touch it off, like burning magnesium.
But once it ignites, it burns extremely hot, as you say.
Hot enough to melt steel, yes, but cut right through steel.
And it can even evaporate steel, if that hot.
What the end product of thermites, you have iron oxide plus aluminum, it produces aluminum oxide, which that's where the great heat release comes there, plus molten iron.
Essentially pure iron then with this aluminum oxide as a residue would be found with this thermite reaction.
So this, these large pools of molten iron under both towers and Building 7, is a smoking gun for something, some very high temperature reaction and it indicates thermite.
Until we do the actual analysis, we can't state that for sure, but I certainly hope that scientists somewhere saved a small sample.
It's not likely, Alex, that it would be that type of, well it's fairly sophisticated, To cut steel beams using thermite, but the point I'm trying to get at is we need to analyze that and surely some investigators say, wait a minute, molten metal, what in the world is that metal?
Well, I'm just hoping that they'll say, well, let's see, we have to at least do the science.
I'm hoping that we can get some sample there.
The other thing is, it's possible and likely, actually, that the metallurgist involved in the FEMA study, what was his name, Jonathan, I can't remember his last name now, but anyway, that they actually did an analysis.
It just takes less than an hour, literally, x-ray fluorescence analysis, for instance, on the metal.
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I mean, does it look like it's not molten steel?
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We were unable to, but I will get to the folks that are holding later in this hour with our next guest, who we're extremely honored to have on with us, and he's Paul Craig Roberts.
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And he brought up something that's in my list.
You know, when I call Dr. Roberts or Ron Paul or any of these great men, I don't, you know, pre-screen what we're going to talk about.
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And it was right what I opened the show with today.
This open acceptance of torture and the schizophrenia of what they're doing, putting people in prison.
But then the White House says that we're going to veto laws barring torture.
And Gonzales writes memos saying we can torture people to death if we don't call it torture.
But none of them get impeached or go to prison.
And then we found out about all these secret gulags that we reported on three years ago.
I mean, this is nothing new, nothing secret about them.
We know right where they're at.
Admittedly, it was in the Washington Post in early 2002.
They had the CIA section chief bragging that, oh yeah, we pressure them and torture them in different countries, Jordan and in Egypt, and it said we even do stuff for their kids in front of them.
Never forget that in the Washington Post.
I put that in my film, The Road to Tyranny, three years ago.
Here it is.
They say they do stuff for their children in front of them.
And boy, we learned they do do that at Abu Ghraib.
We had General Janice Karpinski on a few weeks ago.
They tried to blame them with stuff, but she wasn't even allowed into these CIA-controlled wings.
And now that's what Cheney says.
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Okay, I'll compromise.
Just the CIA?
Well, that's who does it!
So you understand, when you're for this torture, folks, you're for these big, fat, disgusting demons cornering little children.
And I just can't believe... I mean, even the Nazis didn't brag about their torture on the radio or in the newspapers.
I mean, we're the first ever, I guess since ancient times, to openly say that we do all of this.
And, I mean, God help us.
I mean, this is just unbelievable.
But I've said enough.
He's here to talk about that, talk about the police state, all the set-ups for Marshall Law we see taking place.
He's got real conservative credentials, and he's Dr. Paul Craig Roberts.
What do you think of the statements I just made about how we're against torture, but we're going to ban the Senate, we're going to veto the Senate saying you can't torture, and Gonzales says we can kill people, but that isn't torture, because we just changed the name, and yeah, we've got secret camps, so what?
Well actually, what the Army admitted, and the head CIA officer in Afghanistan for two years said, is that they would get between $5,000 and $25,000 per man, woman, or child, and they would just go into little mountain villages of people that never had left their village, who didn't even know where America was on a map.
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Yeah, and Arab businessmen who happened to... Anybody who's not protected were picked up by the warlords and the gangs and sold to the dumb shit Americans.
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I bet you they haven't got five terrorists in the whole bunch.
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But you see they can't admit that they've made any kind of mistake or done anything that's stupid.
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Well, I had Wayne Madison, who was, as you know, a NSA analyst, and he said, working for Reagan back in the eighties, as you did, he said if they saw this type of stuff, if they saw an administration doing this in the eighties, they would have thought it's a fifth column, it's communist, they're doing this to make America look bad, they're doing this to bring America down, they're doing this to destroy all of our international connections.
And I said, well, Wayne, isn't that what's happening?
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If we know they're terrorists, why do we have to hold them four years?
Well, how come we don't listen when the lawyers representing their families say, you've got my husband and my father and he's a Saudi businessman and he was captured in Pakistan and sold to you guys?
Well, that may well be what they have in mind, but they certainly aren't achieving any goal in Iraq except More casualties for Americans by making them hate us ever more.
Sir, give us some more of your views on this when we get back.
Any other subjects you'd like to discuss?
It's always very interesting to have Dr. Paul Craig Roberts on with us.
I think I might have an answer.
We'll see what the doctor thinks about my answer to another reason they might do it.
See, Rumsfeld told us why.
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This stuff's really happening!
They really are doing this!
But right before the Gulf War, in late 2002, they got a $6 billion federal program, secret program funded, it was in UPI and the AP and a few other places, called P2OG.
And I don't know if Dr. Roberts is aware of this, But MP2OG, they said, we're going to kill people's family members, we're going to attack Arabs, we're going to stimulate an attack in the Middle East, widen it, and then we can go into Iran and Syria and other areas.
So, the plan is, you know, when they tell our troops to go in and you get shot at in a village, arrest every man down to age 11, bulldoze all their date palms, all their tangerine orchards, that is meant to generate Because do the corporations make more money if we're in Iraq a year and fix the problems and leave?
Or were there 10 years, 20 years?
Dr. Roberts, does that now make sense to you or do you disagree?
And why the, you know, there's something wrong with the public and that it sits there like Idiots and lets a bunch of Nazis run wild.
But let me go back to, let's talk about, let's contrast the Senate's vote to restrict detainees access to the courts with what happened just the other day in the British Parliament.
Now, in the great United States, we hold ourselves up as this great democracy and liberty and freedom and liberty and freedom.
Bush goes on about it.
The Senate yesterday endorsed a plan, I'm reading from the Washington Post today, that would overturn the landmark Supreme Court ruling last year that permitted many of the detainees held at Guantanamo Bay To challenge their detention.
So, the Senate says, gosh, here's the Supreme Court is going to enforce the Constitution and let people have rights.
Exactly, but that's what I'm saying is that none of us are safe, and the heart of America is that Bill of Rights, that Constitution, habeas corpus, that's why we're America, and they're taking all that away!
Hey, after four years of torture, they'll do whatever you say.
Then we can parade them out and scare the public into submission.
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All right, coming up in about 10 minutes or so, we'll take a few calls in there specifically for Dr. Paul Craig Roberts and any of the police state issues we're discussing.
There's no conservatives on the Wall Street Journal editorial page.
Everybody that I work with there has been run off.
The same at National Review.
The people at National Review are nothing like the people that used to be at National Review.
They've all been run off.
There aren't any conservatives in those places.
They're what I call Jacobins.
Neo-Jacobins or Neo-Nazis.
But look, let me, I want to make one point here and then let's move on to the economy.
Because that affects people too.
I don't know if you, you may have already covered this Alex, but yesterday in the publication Capital Hill Blue, it reports a confidential memo circulating among senior Republican leaders, suggests that a new attack by terrorists on US soil could reverse the sagging fortunes of President George Bush As well as the sagging fortunes of the GOP.
You know, we got wiped out in the election the other day.
And restore Bush's image as a leader of the American people.
This is a closely guarded memo, and it lays out a list of scenarios, another terrorist attack on the U.S.
in order to bring the Republican Party back from the political brink.
So, that shows you the way these so-called Republicans think.
I'd like to say, too, these are nothing like the Republicans I work with.
They're nothing like the Republicans in the Bush Administration.
I don't know who these people are or where they came from.
No, it is very alien to our form of government and our way of life.
But we have other memos from the U.S.
government going back where they talk about terror attacks being helpful.
We have Gary Hart of the big CFR Commission, days after 9-11, saying we need to use this disaster to get a new world order, to get people's freedoms and liberty.
Look, Alex, when I was doing Russian studies, I learned that the czarist secret police used to conduct bombings so they could blame somebody they wanted to get and arrest them.
Well, it certainly has given Asians tremendous power over us, because they hold enough of We've got treasury bonds now that just the threat to dump them would send our interest rates skyrocketing.
Can I bring up another economic indice, and that's energy.
We have the oil companies own memos, starting back nine years ago, where they said we're going to buy up all the small, and I mean all, refineries, shut them down, restrict and cut back ours.
Then I watch, and then rip people off, create an artificial bottleneck, griping about Saddam over pumping, griping about Venezuela, because there's too much oil, they want to restrict it.
I don't think the oil companies, the American oil companies, don't own much oil anymore.
"No, we've built more refineries," which is a total lie, and then they questioned him more.
The U.S. trade, trade deficit with China alone, with just China, the American trade deficit with China, is 28% greater than our entire oil import bill.
Well, Dr. Roberts, the globalist in many different official UN reports and others have said this internationalism is about global corporations being more powerful than any country, and they want us all interdependent.
A lot of those things date from the Cold War, where one of our strategies to contain communism was to develop The vulnerable countries, the ones that were poor and poverty-stricken and seem to be... Yeah, prop them up.
So these things last long beyond... It's the Cold War is over, but the programs are still there.
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Conduct that business here on air, that way we can jam in.
Ron, Jeff, Mark, Charles, and Lou.
Lou's been holding the longest, but I don't think he's for the guest.
We'll get to you with Bob Daisy.
Lou, if you want to hold even more, God bless you.
Dr. Roberts, we've just got about three minutes now and about five minutes to the next hour, but just in a nutshell before I go to these calls, and I'm going to go right to them.
We've got the new Fed Chairman coming in.
We've got him saying, I'll print even more money.
I love printing money.
Where do you see it going?
I mean, are they going to lead us into total ruin?
Okay, to address a few things relative, of course, to what the doctor has been driving at.
Today it was actually reported in New York Newsday that the police commissioner of New York City has gone into a memorandum of understanding with the Central Intelligence Agency.
We have a local It has to be emphasized, local law enforcement agency.
Yep, and in fact he has retained, and it seems to be a very favorite place for people who retire from the CIA to come and get a job in retirement, the NYPD.
So we definitely got strange going on here.
A few other things that have struck me very odd over the last several weeks, and they follow this way.
I begin to strongly suspect events in the world, case in point, The explosions in Jordan.
Now, if anybody knows Muslim culture or Arabic culture, they would know that attacking a wedding is an extremely taboo thing to do in that culture, if you're not aware of that.
He has a very good point, and I saw the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, initially said that all the Israelis in those hotels had been given prior warning and were pulled out.
I'm so honored to have Dr. Paul Craig Roberts on with us.
Bob Dacey, who was at one of these local FTAA takeover meetings.
He's coming up in the next second.
But I want to get to three of your calls really fast.
So be quick callers.
Be fair to the other people.
Jeff and Mass, thanks for holding her on the air with Dr. Roberts.
Go ahead.
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Ah, yes.
Very simple question.
Do you think that the torture in Iraq will come here to America, i.e., if we should ever have martial law and they should start arresting patriots, Conservative, constitutionalist, and anybody who's a thorn in the flesh of government.
Yeah, I think torture, I think it's actually already here.
You may remember the police used to beat people up all the time to get confessions, and then what was known as the Warren Court, the big liberal court, made a lot of rulings which stopped
uh... domestic uh... torture by the police of suspects i'm told that uh... that in a number of prisons with bad wardens that torture already goes on in the united states but i'm absolutely sure that if uh... an institution that was once known for its honor and integrity the united states military if it is uh... undertaking torture in iraq
If they can corrupt the military like that, it would be very easy to corrupt the police.
Let's talk to Mark in Louisiana, or excuse me, Las Vegas, then Charles in Louisiana.
Go ahead, Mark.
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Yeah, I was in the Marine Corps, and I tell you, we were not, and we were trained to, you know, not torture.
Yeah, the doctor, he's sharp here.
I was going to bring up that GOP memo.
I guess I can just add, one of the things, one of the other scenarios, the bottom of it said, capturing Osama Bin Laden, in parenthesis it puts, or proof that he is dead.
So that'll be an interesting one.
I wonder when that's going to come up.
But the question I had, and I'd like to get the doctor's opinion on this.
I noticed a long time ago, one of the people that got caught up in the CIA's brag net when they were sending their Learjets around the world to kidnap You know, some guys to bring to their torture camps happen to be a son of a prominent and wealthy opponent of none other than Qaddafi.
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We've had an absolutely powerhouse, grand slam, out-of-the-park broadcast in the last 2 hours and 8 minutes, 21 seconds.
In the first hour, we had a physicist, a doctor, a professor, Stephen E. Jones from Brigham Young University, a senior physicist there, just the impossibility of the official story, there had to be bombs in there, and he believes thermite bombs as well.
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And then there's my good buddy Bob Dacey, who's written for InfoWars.com.
He also has started writing for the New American Magazine.
And he went up to an FTA meeting with some of the top people from the UN and others there, pushing this agenda for the free trade area of the Americas that was dealt a very serious blow, a crippling blow, but not a death-dealing blow, unfortunately, by Hugo Chavez and others.
But it's in deep trouble.
Because people know it's bad and people are revolting worldwide.
This is to create the American Union to merge in with the EU.
That's why they have to get rid of the middle class.
That's the official global New Old Order plan that Dr. Roberts didn't fully understand but is beginning to understand.
Thank you very much for having us.
America but that's been the plan all along it just to put all the wealth of the hands of international corporations so Bob Dacey went up to a major university and basically confronted these people one of the reporters there and Bob good to have you in studio with us thanks for coming in yeah you know what I'm going to start over because I didn't have your microphone up.
This is the Free Trade in the Americas Conference, which was held at Baylor last month.
And the key players, the two key players, the first one, the keynote speaker there was Dr. Supachai Panichpakdi.
Who is from Thailand and he is the recent head of the World Trade Organization and he is the current head of the United Nations Trade and Development Council, UNCTAD.
So this guy is a big heavy hitter in the New World Order and what you're about to play is a second question I threw at him at a press conference they had.
See they were kind of embarrassed.
Nobody showed up for the press conference except me and a reporter from the Houston Chronicle.
and the first question I asked him he kind of hemmed and hawed about it and then I came at him again and he he answered the question but then he took off now specifically for those who don't know why were they here I I mean, you discussed the meeting, I've watched some of the speeches they gave.
The good news is, they admit to what we're seeing here from the outside, that globally, these programs are stalling, people are resisting, nation-states are resisting, even big businessmen, they're having trouble getting them to go along.
There's a true rebellion taking place, and here at this meeting, Basically, right at the same time that their whole program is getting into deep trouble down in Latin America.
Yeah, but one of the other heavy hitters at the conference was Richard Fisher, and this guy has got globalist credentials up one side and down the other.
Worked with Henry Kissinger, used to help run OPIC, that organization you were talking about in the previous segment that sends the jobs out and fires Americans and guarantees loans for getting jobs to the other side of the world you know by the Americans and then use their tax money to back up the loans right and dr. Fisher or mr. Richard Fisher who's now the current president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas This guy's a big, big heavy hitter.
He was saying, listen man, we're going to get this FDAA jump started.
We have to do it because it's a moral imperative.
I mean, he was saying it was a national security imperative that we get the FDAA jump started and we need the political will to do it had to come from the United States.
Alright, you're talking to the head of the WTO, ladies and gentlemen, and also another, he also is a big chieftain at the United Nations, and here is Bob Dacey.
ago that was the early in early in october it was so we're talking to a three four weeks now time is really flying by but I guess the the the new american article just came out yeah the new american is in the november the fourteenth issue the new american And you can actually access that article by going online, thenewamerican.com, scroll down and click on the article, Texas, the Keystone State of the FTAA.
The concern of a lot of Americans is the national sovereignty of the United States, vis-a-vis organizations like the FDAA.
And according to Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, only the United States Congress has the power to regulate foreign trade.
Do you consider the United States Constitution to be an impediment to your FDAA?
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Well, I don't see that, and up till now, there has been, whoever is in the administration in the United States, we always recognize that the U.S.
has always taken up the leadership role in conducting negotiations that always produce a momentum for the trade bicycle to always move ahead, up till now.
But what I just said is that there is a rising concern around the world that, as one of our colleagues just said, That the sense of leadership that was needed for this trade round to move ahead wasn't always there.
It wasn't always there.
I wouldn't say that it wasn't there at all, but not always there.
Because sometimes it's been diverted into some of the different regional and bilateral negotiations.
Yeah, he says the Constitution is not in the way basically because we've already ceded that authority to the WTO because any dispute resolutions are supposed to go to them and this FTAA and therefore we've already blown off our responsibility to have the Congress regulate foreign trade.
Yes, we have a link right now on InfoWars.com to their speeches and the entire press conference with the Houston Chronicle and Bob Dacey there asking them questions.
But let's specifically get into your article and the key points, the key things people should know about the FTAA.
I mean, the headline is, Texas Keystone State to the FTAA.
Folks, I've told you, that's why for seven years I've had, deep behind enemy lines, the Central Texas Command Center.
I guess on KGFK I had a similar line or so for ten years or longer.
I mean, we really are the model.
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I mean, Texas is like Massachusetts or California.
We are on the very front line of this, under heavy bombardment.
And it's happening here.
And they admitted at this conference, did they not, Bob, that Texas is the jewel in their crown, just geographically, because of this 15-lane, giant, super-corridor, which will open the borders completely.
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Well, if you look at what Homeland Security says, they go, oh, we're going to end illegal aliens because the problem, because we're just going to give everybody a transponder on their car.
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Now, but, you wanna... Folks, I don't get off on, you know, having a Ferrari.
And I don't have a Ferrari, so you know what I'm saying?
He said he had a Ferrari.
He said he works for a circus.
No, I don't.
I mean, I can joke around about something and it goes out there.
I don't care about possessions, things.
I could care less.
What I love is that so many dynamic, thoughtful, intelligent people have gotten involved because I've challenged them to and because they love freedom.
And just like people who woke me up.
Gary Allen back in the 70s writing None Dare Call a Conspiracy.
My dad.
That's our job.
You don't know who it is you're going to talk to who's going to end up really doing big things in this fight.
And Bob, you've woken up tens of thousands of people now.
Well, and then you write articles for InfoWars.com, and you type Michael McCall's name, the Congressman, into Google, and, you know, number one pops up your article about him.
I mean, you know, that just shows, bottom line folks, we're having an effect, we're involved, and I want you to be leaders out there that are listening.
And by the way, this whole global government funded by these big corporations, they're transferring our government powers into international bodies and then giving themselves governmental power.
And one of their blueprints is the Agenda 21 that Gorbachev and all of them push.
And they go in under other names and get your local cities to pass laws, to get into regional boards, regional governance.
Well, you know, the bottom line is they have to lie about everything to get it passed.
I mean, let's face it, we're talking about the Texas Department of Transportation back in 2003 put this on their website to train their employees how to convince Texans that we need tolls.
And they had something called Toll Road Finance 101 and they're saying, listen, we need to limit the alternatives to toll roads because free alternatives mean lower revenues, And if you avoid frontage roads in this procedure and you use discontinuous frontage roads, of course, you're going to force people onto the toll roads.
I mean, they had this on their website in 2003 as to how to promote causing you to pay money for roads you already paid for.
It's completely insane, but you gotta, again, I know you understand that they have to lie to get all this done.
At this conference I went to, they had a Canadian economist named Michael Hart, and he admitted that in order to get NAFTA passed, they had to lie to the Congress.
They had to say it was going to increase our exports when they knew all along that it was going to do the opposite.
I mean, they just flat admitted at the conference that they lied to get it done.
I mean, I think that the question I asked about actually questioning the wisdom of the FDAA Like, because there was no discussion at the whole conference about, is this a good idea or not?
Nothing at all.
And when you mention sovereignty, they just, what?
Openly, back ten years ago when they planned it, we're going to have this giant 15 lanes on both sides going all the way up into Canada from Guatemala.
Openly bringing in all the illegal aliens.
They'll be totally legalized.
This is the official plan.
It's going to be a total nightmare.
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They're going to wall off the roads where you can't get to the small towns.
That's the official plan.
We've seen where they've built these already.
And there's cops out there listening right now who I guess are going to enjoy doing this to their children.
There's bureaucrats listening who are still going to serve this system.
This is war, folks.
This is an actual enemy world government beachhead.
Roads, all roads lead to Rome, folks.
Roads are everything in a civilization, in a society.
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This controls humans.
And it goes back to those UN maps that Dr. Cobb put together.
You lay those maps together, 90 plus percent of the country off human access?
The subset of Agenda 21 that you were talking about when I first ran into you was this business about the United Nations and the National Parks and their controlling them and making these concentric rings around them that you couldn't get into.
And I was thinking, you're like, you know, off your cookies, you were totally nuts.
And now I found out that you were telling the truth because I think it was the state of Kentucky.
Kentucky said that they documented the whole thing and I'm going, oh no, this nut Alex Jones is telling the truth.
And that was all a part of this Agenda 21 about driving the humans into the cities and keeping the disgusting humans off the land so that the moose in Canada can visit his cousin in Colorado without having to see one.
You know, that's what it's all about.
And you were right.
You were absolutely right.
And from then, I just started to be a vacuum cleaner of research, and I haven't stopped.
Well, no, you just pick some of your best things and put them out.
Okay, I want to take some calls.
Lou's been holding so long, I'm going to go to him, then we're going to go back in the news, then we'll go to Art and Barbara and Jeff, and that'll be it for calls today, because you've got a lot more you want to talk about with this FTAA.
But to be specific, I am last weekend out deer hunting at a family reunion.
Well, actually at the time, I was fishing in one of those little cattle ponds, stock ponds.
And it was my dad, my children, my wife, my uncle's wife were out there fishing.
To make a long story short, we got AP Network News on, and they announced FTA is dead for at least five years before.
Bush very angry.
This is an incredible setback to the regional government for the Pan-American Union.
I'm going, Mike, I'm like, yeah, all right!
And we're doing high-fives later.
It's, oh, no problem.
They'll fix it.
They'll turn it around.
It'll be back within a year.
So what is the truth?
I went and researched it.
These things are so complex, these payoffs, these corporations, and all these deals, and who gets what in these 15,000-page bills.
I'm not kidding.
That it screwed up for many years now, but from the meeting you were at, we're still in the fight, because they're still going ahead with the building blocks of it, of Agenda 21 and CAFTA.
But it's like the EU getting rejected.
Its final expansion to total dictatorship got rejected a few months ago.
There are good things happening.
Did they seem to be panicked, or were they still just arrogant and aplomb about it?
He was very confident that they needed to manufacture the political will within the United States.
Well, I mean, six months ago, seven months ago, they put out a report calling for this Pan-American Union and this merger with police and military with Canada and Mexico.
Congress, and you know how the CFR is, they have a tendency to pull it out at the last minute.
Well, I mean, six months ago, seven months ago, they put out a report calling for this Pan-American Union and this merger with police and military with Canada and Mexico.
The Canadian papers were saying, end of sovereignty, world government.
But within months, they'd adopted it and Congress had adopted it.
Yeah, it's, you know, you'll have 90% of Congressmen's constituents calling up saying, don't do this, and then all of a sudden they'll flip at the last minute.
You know, it's very serious.
We still have to work very hard to stop the FTAA.
And again, I mentioned www.stoptheftaa.org.
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I would love to get both of your thoughts on the merits of an idea I had as to what we can do to make a positive difference What would you think about, you know, city-by-city, county-by-county petitions and referendums whereby we would reassert our United States and our state constitution?
I think that is the next step above these Patriot Act resolutions, and that's the idea I originally came up with that was then watered down and duplicated by the Bill of Rights Defense Committee.
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Well, you know, it seems like if we were to do something like that, since all of our government officials are taking oaths to uphold and defend these constitutions, that it would certainly seem odd if they were to oppose such a thing.
It would help to identify Uh, you know, traitorous politicians, and hopefully awaken some of the loyal politicians and citizens, and just bring the, you know, light to the whole issue.
Well, they'll carry out a terror attack to convince us it was our fault, but now they're getting exposed that they're behind the terror.
Anything else there, sir?
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Well, you know, I would love to hear you guys both discuss You know, strategies or tools that we can use to defeat the Hegelian dialectic of political conflict resolution as it relates to, like for example, Alex, I've seen you a couple times on a network called Free Speech TV.
No, no, see, the left will sit there and sell the stuff that's true, but then give you bad solutions.
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Right, and that's what worries me so much, is that there's so few people that are awake, and of the ones that are awake, So many of them are going to get siphoned off into these, you know, phony things.
And like you said, they're giving us the choice between National Socialism with a Bush Administration or International Socialism if we would have had somebody like Kerry.
But as soon as you explain, I'm telling you liberals though, well meaning liberals I talked to five years ago, I'd explain that big government is for the elite and corporations lobby for it and that socialism is really a tool to consolidate the wealth.
I mean, socialism is like the mosquito lands on you.
You can get this broadside for two bucks, postpaid, from F.R.E.E., post office box 29 Yeah, really what it ought to do with that big chart of how they control things is it ought to just order a whole bunch of those and sell those or get those out to people.
The plug, where you just give the address out and they won't get a single letter.
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No, I mean, that was in the news, in industry publications four or five years ago.
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Oh, I know, I know, you were talking, I'm talking about a few weeks ago, you were totally, the next day in the Austin Statesman, it was on front page, so I was like, oh.
I was an undergraduate and I was so enraged at him and his position that I attended this graduate seminar and I was the only person who argued with him.
Okay, anyways, um, after I was on your show about an hour, I was surrounded by three Colorado State Police and two FBI agents who started threatening me.