Alex Jones hosts a live broadcast addressing the Terri Schiavo case as a "public execution" and "travesty of justice," accusing Governor Jeb Bush of inaction while linking the situation to CIA conspiracies and eugenics programs. He interviews Council on Foreign Relations member Mark Danner regarding his book Torture and Truth, debating whether high-level officials like George W. Bush and Donald Rumsfeld deliberately redefined torture under the Geneva Convention to justify Abu Ghraib abuses. The discussion expands to cover the Patriot Act's expansion, UN scandals involving Kofi Annan, and Jones's documentaries alleging a New World Order agenda, concluding with callers debating globalist plots and advocating for protest against government overreach. [Automatically generated summary]
And we've got Wolfie Wits, clearly going to be our new World Bank head.
They're putting in the The little neocons left and right.
And by neocons, Bill Clinton was for the war in Serbia, the neocon idea.
Bill Clinton is all for the Iraq war.
And George Bush has been protecting him all along, blocking release of documents, ordering Congress, which I didn't think the executive could do, to not investigate Clinton.
So we'll get into the geopolitical landscape and what it's shaping up.
Ebola-like virus deaths in Angola, A rising travel warning issued.
That will be very serious if any of that stuff ever spreads over here.
And we'll get into not just the earthquake yesterday, but how earthquakes are at record levels in recorded history right now.
We've had two of the biggest earthquakes in recorded history just in the last four months.
And at the same time, there's a whole bunch of new developments concerning Terri Schiavo.
Terri's demonstrating her will to live, follow the Constitution, Governor Bush, grant clemency to Terri Schiavo Schindler.
At the same time, different law enforcement groups are calling for a criminal investigation and a freeze on the dehydration and murder of Terri Schiavo Schindler.
But as we learned over the weekend, they were already sending state police to rescue her, but the little Pinellas Park police said they were going to have a standoff with them, and even joked how many of us can hold off the National Guard, and Jeb Bush did absolutely nothing.
He can harden drug dealers.
His brother can pardon drug dealers and murderers.
Bill Clinton can do it, but we can't do it for this woman.
And it's been said a thousand times, I'll say it again, you can't execute an ex-murderer the way they're executing Terry.
And I've heard so much incredible spin.
The Associated Press is reporting that, oh, she's being cared for and treated at the hospital, and she's only had her food taken away.
Well, no.
She's had her food and water taken away.
And she's not being cared for.
She's being murdered!
So stop redefining reality.
Stop editing reality.
Stop engaging in these semantical frauds.
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From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
They say, second segment, we just tuned in to you.
We were just listening to the news.
I think it's fine if our affiliates carry the news.
But to be quite frank with you folks, we cover the real news in the first five minutes of each hour.
We cover a lot more news than you hear on most of these news feeds on the different networks out there.
Some of the broadcasts on our network choose to have news play before their shows.
And that's their prerogative.
But I choose to not have it because more of our stations do want that first little five minute segment and they opt out of the supposed news and just get it here.
So we are into our second segment now and I do have a Council on Foreign Relations member His book is published by the Council on Foreign Relations, that organization openly calling for world government with most prominent members of academia, finance, government, media, the arts being members of it.
And this member of the CFR has written a book that I agree with against torture.
And so we're going to be having him on to talk about torture and who knows, maybe a little bit about the CFR.
Because the CFR, of course, does have its token good members in it.
I guess kind of for PR purposes, but this is an interview you do not want to miss coming up in the middle of the next hour.
Well, at the start of the next hour, in the middle of the broadcast.
The middle third of this transmission against tyranny.
Boy, I tell you, I'm awake now.
I had just gotten some coffee kind of late in the morning.
I had it sitting up here on my broadcast desk and for some reason was grabbing at some papers under the stack and knocked the whole giant brimming container that I just got at the Rockefeller Exxon into my lap.
Yes, I was up late working last night.
I did the Jeff Wrench radio program and then did about three hours of research after that.
So I went to sleep about 3 a.m.
Still got up pretty early this morning, but never got around to making any coffee.
So when I left the house and went to the office, I pulled in and got some coffee and just a few minutes after I had gotten into the studio in the middle of that last break, spilt it into my lap.
So I am, I think, more awake now than if I would have drunk that coffee.
Alright, enough with the mindless issues.
I don't think you tune in to hear me talk about coffee, do you?
Bill in Ireland, and Kenneth in Louisiana, James in North Carolina, Johnny in Canada, John in Texas.
We're going to go to your calls here in just a few minutes.
I want to do things a little bit different today.
I normally go to calls about 30 minutes into the broadcast.
We're just going to go to your calls basically immediately.
And then I'll get into Depressed Annan.
That's Coffee Annan.
For those educated in the government training camps.
Close to quitting over U.N.
scandals.
And a lot of our conservative listeners are probably saying, hooray!
Hip hip hooray!
I mean, Kofi Annan's involved in white slavery rings.
Kofi Annan's involved in bid rigging and scamming and U.N.
food for oil frauds.
He's horrible!
Sex orgies at the U.N.
He's horrible!
They're all horrible!
He's a lot better, though, than Kirk Valtime, the SS officer who hunted down American soldiers and killed them.
He's like a demon compared to Satan.
Yes, he's of hell, but is he the worst?
Of course, there really is no lesser of two evils, so it's all part and parcel of the same flock of blackbirds.
At the same time, we have Kofi Annan talking about leaving, and Bill Clinton's lined up.
He's got six of the G8, excuse me, seven of the G8 lined up.
It's been in major publications for four years that Lord Clinton wants to be Secretary General, and it's the U.S.' 's turn.
The U.S.
has never had a Secretary General.
Never had a Secretary General, and so We're going to get into why this is shaping up to happen.
Of course, Ebola-like virus deaths rise in Angola.
Travel warning issued.
Hundreds died in the Indonesian quake that was an 8.7 right in the same area as the quake that killed hundreds of thousands via tsunamis back on the 26th of December.
And hundreds are confirmed dead.
They're saying thousands may have died, but not from rising water this time, but from collapsing buildings.
In some areas, some of the islands that were hit by quakes, the quake went on for six minutes.
The question is, is this a precursor to something larger?
Volcanic and tectonic activity is at world record levels.
Lot of new Terri Schiavo developments as well.
Fathers of Schiavo weak but responding.
And now the blood is reportedly coming out of her mouth, her eyes, other areas.
Her skin is flaking off in big cracks.
You talk about brutal torture, this is it.
But she's still responding.
Still fighting.
And I am just totally disgusted.
Some people have been saying, why am I so concerned about this?
150,000 Iraqis have died just since the liberation.
Over a million in the 13 years of sanctions.
We have 50 million abortions in this country.
They're killing people by having their feeding tubes taken, who are openly begging for food and water.
It's in regional papers every week.
Why are we focusing so much on Terry?
Because the globalists decided, the social architects decided, to make her a poster child for death.
Because she's a dear, sweet creature, who was, now I've got other affidavits and medical reports by doctors, do you know ten years ago they were able to get her up and help her that she could walk?
A bunch of other affidavits about her eating, other affidavits about her talking, but anybody who doesn't get rehabilitation isn't going to get better.
We already know the details of this.
It's just so brutal to watch this happening and so painful.
Terry went six and a half, seven days without water back in 2003.
Perhaps he could come back now, but he'll never allow her to have rehabilitation.
I would say, from the medical experts we've talked to, that it's irreparable what they've done to this young lady.
They have tortured her just brutally.
We'll get into it later.
Right now, let's go to Bill in Ireland, in the Emerald Isle, I believe they call it.
Welcome, Bill.
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Yes, thanks.
I'd just like to say on the Terry Schieffer thing that I have two numbers for people to give out.
I mean, she is still conscious.
Yesterday, from news reports I heard, she raised her arm to greet an old friend that came into the room to see her.
I've gotten a lot of emails and personal friends have called me, and there have been historical cases of this.
We should all pray for her and pray for a miracle.
You know, but even if she stood up and started walking right now, even though she hasn't been allowed outside for five years, and haven't let them brush her teeth for ten years, and won't let them treat her bed sores for a decade, even if she stood up and started walking, they'd say, oh, well, this is just her nerves doing this.
I mean, they'd spin it.
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Yes, but I think pressure still helps.
I remember when I was driving around Los Angeles some years ago in 1993, Listen to Rush Limbaugh, he gave out the White House number and it was about the homosexuals in the army or whatever it was, the issue at that time.
And people that Clinton wanted to bring up, or bring in.
So everybody called the White House, millions of people.
Yeah, I just want to say, people should keep calling.
This is the number for Jeb Bush, the governor of the Pontius Pilate of Florida.
It's 850-488-2272.
And let me give that to you again.
850-488-2272.
Everybody should ring, and it's going to be a busy line, but keep ringing.
to give that to you again 850-488-2272 everybody should ring and it's going to be a busy line but keep ringing keep those lines that line tied up and you know bring it to a standstill The other number, when you're finished calling him, call the President, Bush, in the White House.
Did you know two days ago, a little baby had his food and support taken away and died in Texas because Bush, before he left, One of his last actions was to pass this cost-saving measure, where when you're a ward of the state, or when you're having your medical care paid for by the state, they will take your feeding tube, take your support away.
And why I think we should call for Terry Schindler, known as Shivo, we should also expose the fact that This is very hypocritical what Bush and others have done, and that all of these lives are just as valuable.
When we come back, we'll talk to John and Johnny and James and Kenneth and many others.
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The social architects thought that they would use the Terry Schindler case to train us to accept the torture and execution of people that are paralyzed.
But it's going to blow up in their face.
If Terry dies from the abuse they've been inflicting on her, if it continues much longer, she will be a martyr for the right to life and pro-life movement.
You know, when the Romans used to nail a guy to the cross to crucify him, it wasn't a nail that killed him, it was the lack of food, water, and his organs were shut down.
And it was a cruel death, and they knew it, that's why they did it.
So it sort of looks like we're living in a new Rome, don't it?
Well actually, what killed you was suffocation, generally.
Because you couldn't support uh... your diaphragm because you were hanging by your arms and that's why people were still alive usually uh... after five or six hours the romans would break your legs because sometimes people could still partially support themselves and give their diaphragm purchase you know hold themselves up but uh... you're right it was a very cruel form of torture and it's ranked right up there with that as far as I'm concerned when they slowly start somebody up like that and uh...
I know another trick that the Romans had was they used to take Christian babies and hang them from a long pole in the arena and let starving hyenas tear them apart.
But if you read what's been going on in these abortion clinics, with these partial birth abortions, especially where two-legged Irene is ripping them apart, I don't see any difference.
I took a little vacation this weekend to visit some family for Easter, and I took a drive up the highway.
up here in BC and what I saw was I don't know it was weird it was about 50 or 60 military probably Canadian trucks that were coming down the highway different times they had weird what they look like I don't know if they were Russian or Dutch flags flying from parts of the of the truck just like tied to them Kind of like a little flag.
Well, there's always a lot of foreign troops doing maneuvers here in the United States, especially in the South and Southwest, but I don't know about what's going on up in Canada.
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Well, I don't know.
I found it kind of weird until I saw a little something on resistancemanifesto.com, which talks about concentration camps, right?
And on one of their little slideshow things, I see this enemy prisoner of war compound Sign which is I guess a concentration camp and on one of these pictures is this flag Blue white and red.
I don't know what that means That's all check that out.
Doing a radio broadcast and talking to you, so I'm doing pretty good.
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Okie doke.
I thought I'd heard over the weekend on one of the news broadcasts that Governor Bush, with his office, was taking any suggestions from anybody that had any ideas on what they could do.
I'm glad you raised that, because Bill Clinton says he wants to be Secretary General, and a lot of major publications say he's probably going to be the next person.
We'll be right back.
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Yeah, but it makes it hard to do all right with hearing all this news.
Um, my father had, uh, they didn't know if he had Parkinson's disease or Alzheimer's, but he had to go to a rest home and they put him on feeding tubes and then with water and food, and then he naturally died of a heart attack.
And I say, "Why take these people off these things?
This is terrible." You know what this is leading up to.
In fact, my grandfather on my mother's side and my grandmother on my father's side both had strokes.
And they were both associated with having surgery, because that's how it always happens, blood clots.
And they both had their throats paralyzed where they couldn't eat.
And my grandmother went on trips all over the country, cooked food, I guess for about six, seven, eight years, longer than that, before she finally died.
But according to these bioethicists, they'd have just go ahead and kill her, because her life isn't valuable.
Thanks for the call.
But she toughed it out for a long time.
My grandfather, I guess he lived about five years after that happened, and he went from weighing about 250 pounds down to probably about 170.
He never got really, really skinny.
It wasn't fun, but he had a pretty good quality of life.
The point is, you don't want to get the government involved in, oh, you have quality, you don't have quality.
They're using the Terry Shadow Schindler case.
We say Schindler, folks, because her husband has left her for ten years, has another wife, has children.
Under any gauge of civil law, he has divorced her.
He has left her.
He has abandoned her.
And, of course, I don't know if you know the story.
Some people still that I talk to on the street, or who email me, don't know the story.
He said he wanted to rehabilitate her until he got the settlement.
$300,000 for himself and $700,000 for her.
As soon as he got the settlement, he totally changed and said, no more treatment, no more nothing.
When is that bitch going to die?
That's from the affidavit.
And she was responding very nicely to the treatment.
To the rehabilitation.
So, they're now redefining terms.
And it's very, very scary.
Let's go ahead now and talk to Dave in Wisconsin.
Dave, welcome.
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Good day, anyway, Alex.
I just wanted to bring up a couple things.
I was down there at Pinellas Park for the last week, and I don't know if you knew that they had snipers on the roof.
Well listen, I mean we've gone out and had land rights rallies, second amendment rallies and they've had SWAT teams, I mean I've been walking and seen the rifle aimed at my head and I start waving at them and you know the guys laugh at me and I'm just walking around you know wearing a t-shirt and blue jeans no weapons with a bullhorn
But finally people did quote rush instead of one at a time being arrested with glasses of water yesterday and NPR did call it they said the violence escalated with the protesters implying that there had already been violence and then they went on to say when they rushed the police with glasses of water
Well, that's not violent, but there they are again, semantically manipulating the words.
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Also, we were out there with a picture of Auschwitz, and we also brought up on the sign that it was P4, where they started with that secret program the Nazis did of starving children to death, disabled children.
And the press We went out with a Nazi flag and the press pretty much ignored us, though, for the most part.
You'll have hundreds of people with anti-death signs, but the media, and I've seen it on the news and in AP and other snapshots, they will show the one or two signs that are for killing Terry.
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Yeah, I heard one person say that there was about an equal amount of protesters on both sides, which was totally untrue.
The most I saw were six for killing Terry, and there was probably 200 to 300 on the other side at the time that she was saying this.
Well, when you notice, the news doesn't like to show wide shots of the crowd.
That's a trick they play.
Since you raised Hitler, since you brought up Adolf Hitler, Shortly after being elected, the Nazi doctrine was kill the old, the infirm, the psychologically unclean.
They called it racial sanitation.
And the first person that they publicly killed, now the Nazis for two years after getting into office were killing most of the people in the hospitals, taking their food and water away, giving injections to people that were paralyzed even from the chest down if they weren't politically connected.
This is part of the mainstream history books, but... Yeah, that was part of T4.
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It was secret to keep it from the German people for a long time.
They picked a poster child, because they know that human beings interface on an individual basis.
So, through the image of one person, it's easier for us to get a concept.
Stalin said it.
One person dies, it's a tragedy.
Ten thousand die, it's a statistic.
So, this family, who were high-level Nazis, wrote a letter to the Fuhrer that was published in newspapers and put in newsreels, and Hitler talked about it in the national speech.
In 1935, when he then introduced this to the German people and went public, kind of the maiden voyage where they publicly launched it.
And Hitler read the letter on the air, and I've read a copy of the letter, and it was, Our son is totally unhappy.
He is an idiot.
That was the term for being retarded.
He was really autistic.
And all he does is walk around, you know, in the woods and murmur and say the same thing over and over again.
Oh please, Fuhrer, give us permission to kill him and rid the Reich of this, you know, of this... They use the same term that eugenics individuals used in this country.
So, Hitler said, all right, you can kill him.
And it was a loving, good thing that Fuhrer did.
And it was all over Nazi news.
And in America, Hitler was hailed by the eugenics crowd that runs Planned Parenthood today.
Margaret Sanger got awards from Hitler, gave awards to Hitler.
All of this.
And so you're absolutely right.
And then a few years later, they were basically killing everybody.
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Yep.
And that's where we're headed.
If people don't get out there and try to stop them.
But notice they use these special cases to introduce it to the public.
Any other observations you made, Dave, while you were in Pinellas Park, Florida?
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Yeah, I would say that the crowd was very peaceful, and I actually, for when they're in their murdering of a person, I thought they should have been a little more vocal and raucous, even though the family would have been a little Because they claimed we were disturbing the other patients at that hospice.
But, you know, people, if they love their family members, should get them out of that hospice.
It's being introduced to us, and now the next time we hear about it, we won't be as upset, and it'll also give us this feeling of defeatism, this feeling of it can't be stopped.
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That's right, and that's exactly what they're doing.
They're going to shove it down our throats whether we like it or not.
And if you watch the National News and the spin they're putting on it, like you say, they're euphoric when they're going without food and water.
I mean, these idiots, I wish they'd go without food and water for a couple of days.
I have a question about Colonel Bogright filing affidavits of citizen's arrest against Michael Schiavo and Judge Greer but of course it did not succeed and Gritz was arrested for trying to bring water to Terry which serves no useful purpose.
Now to make a citizen's arrest a person must make physical contact with the arrestee and take them into custody.
But to file a legitimate criminal complaint and get the police to make an arrest It can only be filed with a judge in criminal court who holds an instant hearing on probable cause to determine if he should issue an arrest warrant.
But Gritz filed his affidavit with the prosecutor and Governor Bush, so it had no effect.
And my question is, as a military officer, Gritz is still in the Army Reserves, so is he an infiltrator that could subvert the arrest of... Well, his name is... he is Bo Gritz.
I think he was down there because he's legitimately concerned and I appreciate your call.
Listen, I have nothing against Bo Grites.
I got in a big fight with him on air one time when he was a guest because he's arrogant and he won't admit that he was wrong about what he said about patriots on CNN.
But for those that don't know, remember the Teenager, or he was like a college student, 19 years old, who was bombing all over the Midwest.
Little mailbox bombs that, thank God, didn't hurt anybody.
And I looked at the bombs on TV, the map, and I said, that's almost a smiley face.
And then listeners emailed and said, have you seen Fight Club with Tyler Durgan?
Where they bomb the shape of smiley faces in buildings.
And I said, yep, this is some young drug head who thinks he's part of Fight Club.
And that is exactly what it was.
And we're on record predicting that.
Now we're on air saying what it is with basic criminology.
Thanks to you, the listeners, for putting our heads together.
That's what police do.
They get a bunch of detectives in a room and brainstorm for, you know, ten hours around coffee.
Well, that's what we did.
We had the answer.
When the government was sucking their thumbs and had no idea what was going on.
Well, Bo gets up on CNN.
This was like two or three years ago, so I forget all the details.
But he gets up basically out of the video clip somewhere and says, well this is this right-wing, militia-type, black helicopter crowd.
That's probably who's behind it.
Now, that's pretty suspect, and I don't know why he said that.
And then I got him up on the air and said he was wrong, and he said, no, I'm not wrong.
So that's why I don't interview Bo, I don't, uh, you know, I don't, I don't, uh, I mean, it was bad.
I mean, I've said stuff that's wrong before, nothing of that magnitude, but I'll say I'm wrong.
But I don't want to sit here and say, Bo's some government agent, and he's bad, and... And this brings me into a whole other subject, and we'll go to Jim and others.
I've heard people on the radio saying it's all a giant theatrical production.
That this is all a staged event and the Schindlers are in on it.
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But until we do, and nobody griped, I didn't hear one talk show anywhere talk about being converted to a resource.
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Um, you know it takes a big man to back his words up, but it takes a bigger man to admit he was wrong and carry on.
Um, yeah McKinnon, I, or McKinney, I think if more people like, um, if we had more people like her with a backbone, places of power, then we wouldn't be in the position we're in today.
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Doug, you were bringing up that Cynthia McKinney clip we played first last week.
Now, others have aired it.
It's posted on InfoWars.com, still on the main page today.
And if you go to Infowars.com, you can watch it right there, where she brought up all these incredible issues to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and he was at a loss for words and looked quite shaken, did he not?
The one thing, or the major thing I called in about, your call earlier talked about the guy in British Columbia seeing all the military transport trucks.
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And Mark, like many of our guests, has a gigantic bio.
You can just link through at InfoWars.com to his website MarkDanner.com.
Danner is D-A-N-N-E-R.
And Mark Danner is a writer, journalist, and professor who has written for more than two decades on foreign affairs and international conflict.
He has covered Central America, Haiti, the Balkans, and Iraq, among other stories, and has written extensively about the development of American foreign policy during the late Cold War and afterward, and about violations of human rights during that time.
His book, Torture and Truth, is what we're about to be talking about.
And he is also a member of the New York-based Council on Foreign Relations with its 25, roughly 100 members, most of the most prestigious members of academia, banking and finance, government, entertainment, philosophy, you name it.
And I do take Foreign Affairs, the bi-monthly publication, That I consider to basically be the CFR's propaganda, but they do have a diverse group of members.
I've had probably 20 CFR members on, actually more than that, over the years.
Well, we have the Army's own documents, that's admitted.
But still, the general public isn't aware of that.
And then the other question is, are you popular at the CFR having these views?
Because it seems the CFR right now is dominated by the neocons.
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Well, the first question, how I got involved in writing about it, I had been writing about Iraq and the Iraq War, and this was part of that.
In fact, the images that were broadcast about a year ago now were enormously important in the war itself.
They gave a very strong boost to the insurgency.
Extremely useful to them in propaganda and so on and in recruiting members of the insurgency.
So though we look at this as a domestic kind of scandal, it had a lot to do with the Iraq War and giving help to the insurgency in fighting the Americans.
So that's the original, originally how I began writing about it.
It soon became evident though that a lot of the documents that were being either released by the government Or leaked by the government, were extremely important, it seemed to me, for a public understanding of what exactly happened.
This is one of those cases where if you actually look at the documents, if you look at the reports, you look at the depositions of those who were abused and tortured, you look at what the government itself has found to have happened at Abu Ghraib and also at other prisons, it isn't terribly controversial what went on there.
What is controversy is the difference between what the government says happened and what was actually found out in these reports.
So I felt very strongly that one had to try to bridge that gap.
And so the book, Torture and Truth, includes not only my writing about what happened and the Iraq War itself, but the documents from the government that tell what happened.
But you'll never know what really happened if you watch the nightly news, because... That's right.
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That's right.
Because the government responded to what happened by simply saying, you know, this was a few bad apples, which is the traditional response of governments who are accused of torture.
The United Kingdom said that in the early seventies when there was a famous case in Northern Ireland and it's happened a number of times and the few bad apples defense is actually the way lawyers describe it.
It's a subject that people don't like to think about.
It's shameful.
It's unpleasant.
And I think the administration believes that, you know, most people in the country would just as soon believe what the president says rather than look at things that might contradict what he says.
Well, I want to get into your book that's got a lot of reviews for being very scholarly on the subject.
I, myself, even made a film about it, so I'm up to speed and have basically all the declassified documents and official Army reports on it, as well as a cross-report.
But I want to shift gears back to the CFR, which I would say is dominated by the neocons at this point.
Are you popular there in the halls of the CFR?
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Well, so far as I know, I'm popular there.
You know, as you and I discussed before, it's a very large organization.
It's ideologically pretty diverse, so it's hard to say what particular strain it's dominated by.
It's a membership organization.
You essentially go to see people speak and see panel discussions and all the rest of it.
And I find it very useful.
I've been a member there for, I don't know, nearly 20 years now, I think.
But isn't it really just a giant change agent group where they get the best minds involved and then kind of start co-opting people and seeing who will play ball?
And by the dominant group being neocons, I mean that particular strain and strata of the CFR is in government right now.
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Well, you know, I think it's kind of a complicated issue.
You know, the council has traditionally been this kind of holding place where people who aren't in government at a given time are in the council, and when the government changes hands, you get a lot of people who are at the council moving into the government.
This has traditionally happened for many, many years.
It's also true, though, depending on the ideology of the people who are in power, the council likes to be close to powers.
So if you have a government that's predominantly, as you say, neocon, the council will want to have high officials who share that ideology and who have access to power.
And that has always happened.
I don't think that's a particular ideological strain.
Yeah, it was founded essentially right in the aftermath, the immediate aftermath of World War I. It originally was this kind of think tank that was put together to help President Woodrow Wilson.
The listeners are very interested in the CFR because they have people in there who kind of dissent from the predominant paradigm, but generally it's world government's good, world government's the answer, we've got to sacrifice our national sovereignty, Whether it's Republicans or Democrats, Strobe Talbot or George Bush Sr., we hear the same diatribe.
Are you a supporter of world government?
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Well, you know, I can't help pointing out that the point you just made contradicts pretty dramatically the earlier point about neocons.
It seems to me either it's neocon-sympathetic, as you argued a few minutes ago... What is against the Warren government?
Well, as far as I can tell, the people in power, from Rumsfeld to Paul Wolfowitz and others... Bob Mueller?
Certainly do not believe in world government.
They don't believe in bolstering multilateral institutions.
They've taken points of view, notably with the Iraq War, that have been flown in the face of UN decisions and UN feelings.
But Mr. Diller, Professor, you know full well that that's all good cop, bad cop.
I mean, you know Bush has actually been expanding the U.N.
funding and signing on to treaties and going ahead with the free trade area of the Americas.
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Well, it's true that they certainly have different positions on trade, no question about it, but I think that their attitude toward the United Nations, with all due respect, is not good cop, bad cop.
I mean, the decision that was made on Iraq was the strongest and most dramatic break with the United Nations and UN opinions that I can remember.
And I don't think there was anything fake about it.
I think the attitudes and the hurt feelings and the problems in relations, particularly with the European allies, are very real.
And this was a real thing.
And the fact that they have different views when it comes to trade policy doesn't contradict that central point.
I mean, these issues are Obviously complicated, you know, there are a lot of different areas.
Let me ask this, don't most members of the CFR believe in global government, global governance?
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No.
No, I don't think they do.
I would say, it depends what you mean by that, but I think, you know, you have a lot of people who are fairly mistrustful of the United Nations, and some who believe it should be strengthened.
Opinion in the council is pretty divided.
You know, you're talking about a lot of people with fairly diverse political views.
When we get back, I want to get back into torture and I want to specifically talk about the government documents and who gave the orders for this and just how much of this torture is really going on in light of the Red Sox jet being used to fly people around, you know, the private torture jets in England, the third-party countries, The Army's own report that 90% of those at the camps are totally innocent.
I want to discuss this with you and also how television is promoting torture as the new virtue and people on the left like Alan Dershowitz.
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Continuing, Professor Danner, you talk about documents, and we've got the General's Report, we've got the other reports, 32 camps in Iraq, Camps where they take people in Egypt and in Jordan and in some of the Central Asian countries.
Camp X-Ray, a CIA camp within a camp.
Admittedly doing things to people we can't even mention on air.
They're so horrible.
I would imagine your book gets into that.
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Yes, it certainly does.
It begins with the actual depositions from prisoners that were taken by the Army CID, Criminal Investigation Division, in Iraq.
And I have the text of those depositions included in the book.
It also includes the investigations that you spoke about.
And all of these things together have a great number of accounts taken from, usually in judicial type settings, so under oath.
taken from prisoners who were treated this way by American troops.
But the important thing to say here, I think, is that these photographs came out and suggested that this stuff was Animal House on the Night Shift, which the former Secretary of Defense Schlesinger called it.
That is, that it was sort of the late night doings.
of a handful of status if you look at the reports themselves you see that a lot of this stuff happened as a result and during interrogation and the depositions confirm that that is interrogators were present it was part of an effort to try to get information from these people well what limbaugh said that it was like a fraternity prank just blowing off steam
Sodomizing people with objects, putting acid on them, raping women, beating people to death.
I mean, that's called murder and torture.
And your book, according to the synopsis, according to the stuff I've researched, This leads right back to the White House.
I remember Rumsfeld bragging on TV about how they were, quote, pressuring people severely.
I remember Dershowitz calling for torture right after 9-11.
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Right.
You know, you can see, and certainly the book shows this, that after 9-11 there was a pretty dramatic change right at the top of the government about the attitude toward interrogation.
Decisions were made by the President and by other high officials.
First of all, to withhold the protections of the Geneva Convention, and that debate was very vivid in the administration, but they finally decided For the first time in American history, not to grant Geneva Convention protection, and then to essentially redefine what torture is.
The US, as you know, is committed not to torture.
It's prohibited by our domestic laws, prohibited by international treaties to which we're signatory.
There was a debate in the administration that finally resulted in a document that the Department of Justice wrote, which essentially said, you know, we may be prohibited from torturing, but what exactly is torture?
And it defined torture... Well, yeah, Alberto Gonzales says if we torture somebody up until their organs fail and didn't mean to kill them, then it's not torture.
And by the way, the President is the law.
He's above the law.
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That's exactly right.
He basically said Look, you know, for somebody to be tortured, they have to cause pain equivalent to major organ failure or death, which means that you can do an awful lot to people, like waterboarding, for example, which is submerging them underwater until they drown and then reviving them, which has been used by the CIA and apparently was explicitly approved by the Department of Justice for the CIA to use.
And also, Mr. Dershowitz's example, which is inserting sterile needles under their fingernails, all of these things under the definition that the administration put together would not constitute torture.
So, you know, you have a situation in which the President can say, well, no, no, we do not condone torture.
But, when he uses that word, the administration has defined it in a way that most people would not accept.
And, you know, most people, if you describe waterboarding, which is, you know, you strip somebody down, you beat them up, you strap them to a board, and then you lower their head, usually upside down, into a tub of usually fetid, you know, dirty water, sometimes urine, something like that.
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Now, to most people, they would look at that and say, that's torture.
Certainly, people in Argentina and Uruguay, where that was used extensively during the Dirty War, they called it the submarine, they would consider it torture.
But under this definition, supposedly, you know, the administration can say, well, we don't torture.
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Just to analyze what these creatures are doing, how they're trying to warp our psyche, Through fiction and through the mainstream media to accept torture, we're going to play this Limbaugh clip.
And I found another clip that's even worse, saying, so what about torture?
I still need to get that uploaded to the network computer, but we're going to play this Limbaugh clip.
It's about 40 seconds long.
Here in a second, go back to our guest, the author of Torture and Truth, America Abu Ghraib and the War on Terror.
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Well, the book can be gotten through my website, markdanner.com.
It can be ordered from Amazon and Barnes & Noble and other online suppliers, but of course what I would prefer is that people go to their local bookstore where the book should be in stock, and if it's not in stock, to ask for it.
It's from New York Review Books, and it should be widely available.
But if there's any problem in doing that, my website will get you right there very easily.
Now, I want to go to calls here, but first I want to talk about the hardening of the psyche and how they're selling us on this evil.
Every cop show, every major drama, and then in the real world, all the big editorials, it's the same MO, the same talking points.
We now have mainstream news reports that Homeland Security's even paying off an advising threat matrix 24.
These shows where they now torture people's children almost every episode to make them talk.
Now torturing children is good, so I guess Joseph Mingala wasn't bad, but here's Rush Limbaugh as the change agent Telling his audience that it's just blowing off steam, the torture is no big deal.
Here is that clip.
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What's psychologically wrong with that?
It's not the act so much, it was like a college fraternity prank to stack up naked men and women.
Exactly!
Exactly my point!
This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation, and we're going to ruin people's lives with it, and we're going to hamper our military effort, and then we're going to really hammer them because they had a good time.
These people are being fired at every day.
I'm talking about the people having a good time.
These people... You ever heard of emotional release?
So, there's the clip, and others have called for outright torturing them.
I've heard it on talk radio saying it's good, but Alan Dershowitz is off calling it a great American value.
Truly, we see the attempt to mass-warp the psyche And then people accept that torture isn't torture, and then we hear reports of a guy's chained down in a hospital bed, he won't give a urine sample on demand, so they taser him, and the police just go, this is our new policy, it isn't torture, it's just pressure.
Professor?
unidentified
Well, I'm very glad you played the quote from Russ Limbaugh.
I think basically what it shows is ignorance, first of all.
I mean, what he describes as fraternity hazing, that's just not the case.
This stuff went on for days and days.
It was highly organized.
It began with beatings, extensive beatings.
People were beaten into unconsciousness in a fairly systematic way.
People were injured in such a way they had to go to the hospital.
Uh, they were bitten very severely on their legs by dogs.
People were beaten to death, then they'd pack ice on them, put a fake IV on them, and take them out the front door.
unidentified
That's right.
At this point, the army has officially admitted, the American military, I should say, has officially admitted that 27 detainees have died under interrogation, and these are the detainees that those are considered homicides.
The total number of deaths in detainment situations now is over 70.
There's 32 camps in Iraq, a dozen in Afghanistan, two camps at Guantanamo Bay, and camps in at least five other third-party countries.
Did you see the Washington Post article in late 2001 where they have the CIA section chief over the Middle East as quoted as saying, we take them to Egypt and Jordan where we can torture them and pressure their families in front of them?
Well, yeah, I've heard him say that Bush is not for amnesty when Bush has openly said he's for open borders and amnesty.
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Yeah, well, he does and there is a certain technique here which is simply to tell people A story that seems to fit together itself and to count on the fact that they're not going to check it and you essentially tell them what they want to hear.
Well, I'm blown away by these people because, Professor, all I do is read government documents and what is admitted and I'm telling you, the liberals, the conservatives, they're all up there together basically for all this stuff and they're all a bunch of liars.
unidentified
Well, I think it's true that, you know, there is a lot of lying going on on these things, there's no question.
I think it's also true that a lot of this stuff is coming out, that the documentary evidence is coming out, and that increasingly, you know, the truth is getting into the public sphere.
So I wouldn't lose hope on this.
It's just that, you know, it's taking a long time to get out.
Homeland Security head Reg and now Chertoff have met with the media They're consulting, and we've got all these paid-for press releases.
We know that they are literally writing some of the scripts, we've read these articles on air, for these TV shows.
Every time I turn it on, they're now not just torturing the, quote, terrorists on these fiction shows, they're torturing seven, eight-year-old children.
And this is a concerted effort to warp our minds.
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Yes, well, I think that's true.
I don't know, but I'll take your word for it, the degree of administration involvement and consulting on these scripts.
It's also true, you know, that when people feel anxiety about their safety, when people are bewildered about why the country's been attacked and so on, you get the mass media, and in particular the commercial media, television, responding by trying to satisfy those kinds of anxieties.
And I think you see that when you see some of these commercial programs that show torture.
That is, you know, in the way of Dirty Harry, the Clint Eastwood movie, trying to take a public that's worried about crime, that's worried about being attacked, and showing them justice being delivered.
But what people don't understand is, is that cops now, since they've been doing this the last three years, suddenly instances of torture by the police, uh, against innocent people is way up.
There aren't real Al-Ci-8-us folks running around that are going to get us.
Terrorism is actually at lows, child kidnappings at lows, crime is at lows right now, all-time lows.
It is this perception, and torture isn't going to keep you safe.
Listen, I want to go to calls, but I've just got one other comment, and then I want you to comment on it, Professor.
We're talking to Mark Danner, author of this new book, Torture and Truth.
The types of sexual perversion at Abu Ghraib and Camp X-Ray, admittedly associated with this, the types of things they're doing, I've only seen this with serial killers.
So even if sickos out there go, we gotta torture them to get answers, why is it all sexually perverted?
unidentified
Well, I think that there's a perception that one of the areas of sensitivity when it comes to Middle Eastern, particularly Arab culture, is shame about sexual matters, and in particular, shame about nudity.
And you can see, pervasively, if you look at what's happened to individual people, not only in Abu Ghraib, but there are instances where journalists, Arab journalists... Yeah, but these guards are raping women in front of the men because they like it.
Well, Dave, I don't dispute that some of them may like it.
I'm trying to answer your question, which is that it seems to me that a lot of this stuff is systemic, and it's trying to point to particular sensitivities, cultural sensitivities, on the part of Arab men.
The fact that it's very unusual and indeed forbidden for men to see one another naked in Arab culture, things having to do with, you know, bathroom stuff and so on is done very secretively.
It's very private, and you can tell in the way these torture procedures operate that there's been a clear study of the sensitivities of Arab culture.
Listen, I wanted to touch upon the Schiavo case again.
You know, I haven't been able to listen the last week or so, so I don't know if you've explored this already, but this behavior of Michael Schiavo is just so bizarre, and all these powerful people covering up for him.
The only explanation I can come up for it is that since Florida's crawling with CIA agents, that maybe he's an agent.
And Terry was his slave.
And now the government is caught in this public relations nightmare and they're scrambling to try to...
They were willing to kill her in public just to cover this up.
I just killed a little baby two days ago, by the way, but go ahead.
unidentified
Yes, yes, I saw that in the news.
And there's clearly a very high degree of contradiction here between what people say and the political positions they take, particularly in the Shivo case, and what they've actually done.
uh... in their political history and in their own lives for that matter when it comes to Tom DeLay for example uh... so uh... we see those contradictions very dramatically and it shows in this case a lot of politicians are looking at it simply as a lucrative political target you know this is going to help me firm up my uh... position uh... with the evangelical right uh... and the left likes it too.
Mike in Washington you're on the air go ahead yeah speaking of contradictions you know we got this uh...
I saw that clip of that slimeball Jack Wheeler from the Freedom Foundation saying how we should freeze everyone's lungs and then when they're about ready to die then we'll make them breathe again.
I've actually got that clip in Police States for Total Enslavement where they're on national TV saying how good torture is.
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Exactly, and it's just trying to... it's just justifying everything.
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I mean, I guess serial killers should try that when they get called a bunch of dead bodies.
Well, I didn't mean to kill them.
Oh, well, then go free then.
Well, these are terrorists.
They don't have the same rights.
Come on, folks.
They're not even terrorists.
This is all by design.
Professor, comments to what Eric in Oklahoma was just saying about just both political parties in this whole system?
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Well, first of all, I was grateful to Eric for his kind comments about my work.
I appreciate that.
You know, his comments were, I thought, very provocative, but also very broad.
I think he's right that You know, the things that we had taken for granted for many years about the left and the right have gotten twisted and very confusing.
On the one hand, the political spectrum has moved far to the right when you look at what's going on in Washington, and we're seeing things that would have been really unheard of years ago.
I mean, one of the reasons I wrote this book, Torture and Truth, was because I We're seeing Americans undertake acts of torture that I used to cover in Latin America twenty years ago, twenty-five years ago.
I mean, record budgets, 2.6 trillion, open borders.
unidentified
Very good point, which I was going to get to, which is that at the same time as you have a defiantly right-wing agenda, You also have, particularly on the financial fiscal side, the spending side, the fact that the government came into office, supposedly a very conservative administration, with a budget surplus of over $200 billion and has changed that into a budget deficit of nearly $500 billion.
It's been the largest shift in the fiscal status of the government in the history of the United States.
The globalists use America as the imperial model to grab and consolidate more countries under IMF-World Bank control than Europe comes in, like the good cop.
But the professor, I think, disagrees with that.
unidentified
Well, I believe that in the end, the patriots and the fascists and the captive nations around the world and the United States are going to win by eliminating all the one-worlders.
The Reagan administration did it as well, but I think that's a far cry from talking about, you know, a fourth world country.
There's a major shift of income, odd years, up the income scale, in which, you know, when you talk about this deficit, a lot of it has to do with the tax cuts.
I think you're right on the mark about I'm trying to change the mindset because I was watching TV last night and basically I saw a commercial show about cops and all they really talked about was torture but that's what I wanted to say about you.
Furthermore, I think this is all just part of their plan to reduce the world population, right?
Yes, sir.
Because they give us these fake flu shots.
I went to the World Health Organization website And they actually have their test on their website of their approved flu vaccinations and it's just like mercury.
And they put hundreds of times the safe level and Nobel Prize winners, top epidemiologists have said people who've had a bunch of these flu shots are a thousand times more likely to get neurological disorders and Alzheimer's.
unidentified
I think they're trying to just kill as much people as they can.
But what it is, fluoride, sodium fluoride, mercury, all of it, is an IQ reducer.
We have their own documents.
The first people to use fluoride, and this is mainstream, famous history books, that Nazis put high levels of fluoride in the water at the camps to sedate the prisoners.
It's a toxic, sedative, And, uh, this is what they're doing.
I mean, you think vaccines are bad, buddy.
The fluoride's even worse, and it's almost impossible.
unidentified
I live in Hawaii, where there's no fluoridation.
I'm, uh, I don't know.
There's no fluoridation in Hawaii.
I got out of high school at age 16, and I'm in college right now, in college calculus.
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unidentified
Okay, then you know what I mean by political strategy?
I'm sorry, propaganda strategy.
What I need to know is, is when they, what is a strategy called, when they present, say, a nugget of truth, wrapped around with a lie, and then when you counter the lie, they sidestep the answer, and they go back to, what, don't you believe in, and then they Put the negative truth out there again.
Yeah, there's different terms of that, and I was thinking about that today.
I mean, there'll be a real crisis, it's just their solution is opportunistic and has nothing to do with the actual crisis.
So really, I mean, there's not so much a term for it, it's just a tactic.
unidentified
Well, what I mean is, do you know what, okay, There's different names of strategies, like where they say, for example, that we need to keep our kids safe, and that's true.
And then they say, to do that, we've got to give them vaccine shots, which is not true.
Look, America was founded on mistrust of government.
The Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers, the two sides, agreed that don't trust government, keep control of it, keep it very small.
Folks in this nation were very distrustful of government.
I mean, you'd get tarred and feathered if you started trying to push government's good on people.
They had common sense.
They had history.
But then they gave us the fake left-right paradigm about a hundred years ago.
No longer was it freedom versus slavery.
Does this government give me more freedom and more liberty?
Does it leave me alone or does it try to control me?
That was the political debate, not Republican-Democrat.
Then it shifted to left-right, when the left and right are both for the very same things, just different implementation and different rhetoric.
That confused people.
Then we had World War II.
The government propaganda got sophisticated after the war.
People became very trustful.
So many goods and services were produced.
We had such incredible prosperity that we got lulled into a false sense of security.
And now, some people think you're a kook if you don't trust the government.
Or most people know the government's out of control, but still they say, oh, that's just the way it is.
There's kind of a fatalistic view of it.
So I think that's kind of what you're getting at, but people look at politics two-dimensional.
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Privatization, see, people hear the word privatization and think, well, I'm for privatization, but is it really privatization?
No, it's not privatization to take an existing public works and give it for pennies on the dollar to a private corporation that's paid off the government, who's then going to become government itself in its actions, but with a corporate membrane protecting it with basically no liability.
Here's the analogy of privatization.
You've paid for 50 years for a big city golf course.
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The fees are going to go down now at the city golf course.
But then you forget two years after that happens, and they double the prices, and then they take a city property you paid for, and they call that privatization.
And it's now come out in the BBC and London Independent, that those six guys were all agents of Lord Rothschild.
That's mainstream news.
Lord Rothschild, the same guy who's over Buffett and Schwarzenegger.
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But the point is, they were all front men.
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And so, quote, Russia collapses, and then six guys are given by Yeltsin all the industry, the gold mines, the uranium mines, the oil, the timber, the roads, Six guys, just here.
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Now, how is that privatization?
That is not.
That is replacing some communist thugs that basically control all those resources and put it in their own accounts and in their own villas and their own racehorses.
That basically just take it from them and give it to six new guys.
Who are fronts.
But the average person hears the word privatization.
Well, yes, I'm for privatization.
But is it privatization?
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And that's what global government's about.
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Let's go back to the calls.
Let's talk to Jordan in Illinois.
Go ahead, Jordan.
unidentified
Hey, Alex.
I just wanted to finish my point from yesterday.
I know you had so much stuff that you had to get through it all.
Um, but I was telling you there are two things about the Terry Schiavo case that were bothering me.
Uh, one of your callers earlier today was saying how there has to be something that's going on.
He was saying the guy might be CIA.
Well, I've I've been hearing a lot from people who actually live in Clearwater.
I mean, I've read that stuff, and it's like, yeah, Clearwater's nearby, and there's a Scientologist in the area, and L. Ron Hubbard said we've got a quarantine 2.0s and under, which I don't like the sound of.
That sounds pretty eugenics style.
So I'll say I don't agree with L. Ron Hubbard on that.
But does that mean they're involved?
I mean, there's not any real evidence.
And now all those people will attack me?
Fine.
I mean, people are saying that the Schindlers are involved in all this.
As evil and tragic as events are, I have a quick comment and a question for you.
As evil and tragic as the events are, I noticed something the other night that gave me just a glimmer of hope.
On George Scarborough with his itty-bitty eyes and he had Pat Buchanan on.
And I'm telling you Alex, you could have been on that show and all been in the same boat with two of these guys and I thought maybe, man, there's a glimmer of hope there if we can get those three guys in the same boat.
And I'm not trying to put any of their thinking onto you.
So do you think that when Terry dies, they'll have the agent provocateurs to come in and start riots so they can ratchet down some police state too and show that, see, we told you, we own you, we control you, we're the gods?
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That's true.
The next issue was over on Easter we watched The Passion of the Christ and there's amazing similarities between that movie and what's going on with Terri Schiavo.
And when you watch the movie and you see where he was carrying the cross and that woman came up to give him water And the authorities came and kicked the water glass out of her hand.
I mean, it's just so amazing how... I mean, I think there's an intent there, definitely.
Today I'm looking at a story out of the Baltimore Sun's news section, and this shows you the hypocrisy of our courts here.
It talks about the Supreme Court's waivers on whether or not to decide whether these Mexican nationals on death row in the states of Texas, California, and Illinois.
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Hi, thanks Alex.
When you were interviewing the professor, he mentioned that when the Council of Foreign Relations was set up, We came during the era of Woodrow Wilson.
Yeah, he wrote a book about how they're a global government and how they run everything and how they want a dictatorship.
And he's from right here in Austin, Texas.
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Absolutely.
That's the founder.
And what I find interesting is It's in his book, Torture and Truth.
I haven't read it.
But the point being, in that organization you have over 250 of its members that are journalists, correspondents, and communications executives.
And so this is why we keep hearing on TV that Terry is just being treated and, you know, they don't use the word executed, but that's why we hear this over and over and over again.
Khrushchev said that he was the butcher of the Ukraine, and he was responsible for killing 20 million Christians, and he starved them to death.
And I just, you know, I'm kind of confused, and I say, you know, that there are... No, we exposed Stalin.
Yes, you know, I'm not saying necessarily you, but just, you know, in the whole bigger scheme of things, it's always, you know, whenever there's a boogeyman, it's always Hitler, but nobody ever talks about Stalin and Mao, who made Hitler look like an altar boy.
I agree with you totally on this culture of death.
But we certainly do hear a lot about Stalin, and I would consider that the propaganda of the Cold War as bad as Stalin was, we have to realize there was a powerful vested interest in the Cold War and the military-industrial complex And exaggerating, even a beast like Stalin.
So I think this... Okay, but you said you had something else on your mind?
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Yeah, I was watching CNN last weekend and they wanted to give a prominent coverage to look like Larry Klayman and his statement of trying to bind, as you put it, the pro-life people, and I'm on the left and I agree with you on this, to support for the war, the slaughter in Iraq,
I'm saying that Jeb Bush should ignore the courts, just as the wonderful George Bush ignored the United Nations, which only gave 90% cover for his dirty war, and should have behaved like George Bush did.
Well, exactly, but what I'm saying is, it shows the agenda of the CNN, the media, And singling out this comment by Larry Klayman at the demonstrations down there in Pinellas, Florida.
What do you specifically think about Terry Schindler?
unidentified
Well, I think that, as you say, this is just an attempt to justify enhancing the profits of the HMOs, the insurance companies, the Wall Street banks that hold the debt that those who want to give this huge tax giveaway to the ultra-rich As a way of then taking that money and resources and redirecting all of the social funds from Medicare, from Medicaid, everything else that George Bush cut off when he was governor.
And again, folks, it just shows how it's all controlled by the same people.
Who's up next?
Wanda in Missouri, then Laura.
Wanda, go ahead.
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You know, Bush's administration is using this intentional atmosphere of creating hate, not only of the United States, but of the Christian groups and the liberal groups, because he's doing a lot of this in the name of God, and we all know it's not God.
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Coffee Annan, the United Nations Secretary General, is said to be struggling with depression and considering his future.
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Colleagues have reported concerns about Annan ahead of an official report this week that will examine his son Kojo's connection to the controversial issue of oil for food scheme.
And Bill Clinton's got seven of the G8, this has been in mainstream papers, lined up.
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Then we're going to have, obviously, Lord Bush.
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Hundreds have died in the Indonesian quake, BBC reports.
Hundreds of people are believed to have died in Indonesia after a massive earthquake that triggered tsunami alerts around the Indian Ocean.
But it wasn't water that killed them.
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