Alex Jones and Matthew Rothschild dissect the Bush administration's alleged conspiracies, focusing on John Negroponte's role in Latin American death squads and his appointment as National Intelligence Director. They expose claims of a "backdoor draft" exploiting soldiers like Casey Sheehan while discussing the Patriot Act's expansion into domestic terrorism and martial law fears. The broadcast alleges globalist plots involving Bill Gates and Siemens to control populations through RFID tracking and forced vaccinations, ultimately framing both major parties as termites destroying the nation toward World War III. [Automatically generated summary]
It's already Thursday, the 17th day of February 2005.
And I want to take a lot of your calls in this first hour, because we've got two guests coming up later in the second and third hour.
We'll also have open phones then, but we'll go to your calls coming up in the next segment, kind of like C-SPAN's Washington Journal.
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This broadcast is all about liberty and freedom.
It's about exposing the New World Order.
It's about defending the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
And the Democrat and Republican parties are Like termites destroying the guts of this nation and we've got to expose it.
But one termite's got a elephant on its back.
The other termite's got a donkey on its back.
And because the termites have little symbols on them, you go, I like these termites.
These are friendly termites.
They have an elephant on them.
Little elephant spot on them.
And ooh, I like these termites.
They have a donkey on them.
They all are termites, ladies and gentlemen.
We're in deep trouble.
U.S.
Aides cite worry on Al-Qaeda infiltration from Mexico.
They're doing it again.
They build up this anger, this concern about the open borders that is totally legitimate.
Take border patrol agents off the northern and southern border.
That's the actual numbers.
And then just bring raft after raft after platter after salvo of legislation with the word immigration tagged onto it.
Has nothing to do with illegal immigration.
Everything to do with controlling the American people.
And they're doing it again.
I mean, now it's on a weekly basis.
U.S.
aides cite worry on Al-Siada infiltration from Mexico.
This side of the New York Times, new intelligence information strongly suggests that Al-Siada, again they say Al-Qaeda, I say their true name, Al-Siada, or the foundation of CIA controlled Islamic terror.
New information strongly suggests that Al-Siada, we must unlearn what we've learned, we must change the words that they've created back into their true meanings.
That's how we defeat them.
That's one big part of it.
New intelligence information strongly suggests that Al-CiAda has considered infiltrating the United States through the Mexican border, top government officials told Congress on Wednesday.
And so, we'd all better carry our good little national ID cards, or the LCIA-das will get us, but the illegal aliens don't have to have them, but they don't mention that in the article, so the average person hears this and goes, man, Bush is really doing something about it.
So, more details of that are coming up.
Also, Bush to tap Necroponte as Intel Director.
And I have dubbed him Lord of the Death Squads.
He is a singularly wicked creature, and he fits in nicely with the gaggle of vampires surrounding Lord Bush the Twitly.
And so we will be going over that for you.
Also, Australian government keeping secret database of people who criticize its policies.
Schwarzenegger plan has Republicans wary.
This is out of the Associated Press.
They just come right out and go, oh yeah, the Republican plan to put him in the White House.
But it doesn't matter.
They're a little wary of some of the things he wants to do.
But that's okay.
He's going to be our new Lord and Master.
I mean, if they can make the American people take a foreigner, an outlander, then we'll put up with anything, won't we?
And jailed immigrants may go to Mexico prison.
Our government may build prisons in Mexico.
Globalism, yes!
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, as we defend liberty and resist tyranny, Monday through Friday from 11 to 2 Central Standard Time, back from 9 to midnight.
I'm Alex Jones, your host, and your calls are coming up here in just a few minutes.
We're going to have wide open phones throughout the broadcast today, and we've got two big guests coming on.
One in the third hour, who's exposing Mr. Negroponte to be the new National Security Advisor, National Intel Director.
He's the current ambassador to Iraq and he was the chief organizer and commander, I would call him a lord, or a commissar, or you could choose the term if you liked, Commodore of the death squads in Latin America.
And you can go, well they were fighting commies.
Yeah, while our government was giving all the weapons systems to Russia and China and making deals with China to de-industrialize this country and giving them all the different awards to the United Nations, death squads were marching all over Latin America pulling out whole families and machine-gunning them and throwing them in pits and raping and killing people's wives and children in front of them.
It's all admitted.
And just absolute terror.
Men in black uniforms, black ski masks.
You can look at photos from the 70s and 80s of death squads, and it's a modern SWAT team outfit.
Of course, you can also look at photos from the 60s and 70s in Russia, and they wore the same outfit.
Black ski masks and black uniforms are real big in the Balkans, too.
And, uh, if you look at the Bush administration, they're all lovers of torture, lovers of death, lovers of evil, lovers of abortion, lovers of open borders, uh, lovers of gun control, lovers of just... it's pure evil!
Just absolute pure evil.
But meanwhile, Gonzales seeks to reinstate obscenity case.
Why?
They had a press conference about it.
They're gonna stop people Who are making porno movies in California!
The point is, is that here's Gonzalez, who pushes in Texas for 12-year-olds not having to tell their parents when they go have abortions.
But your 12-year-old, again, has to get a permission slip to go to the zoo for a field trip or the planetarium or the, you know, movie theater.
Or to the city library.
But they can go have an abortion.
So let's kill babies, but he has to act like he's conservative.
So he'll now do this and be hailed as, man, he's a real conservative boy.
Thank goodness he's there.
It'll do absolutely nothing to pornography that is developing into more and more just out of control decadence.
Another sign of the society in serious decline.
But the point is, is that it's not meant to stop anything.
It's not going to stop anything.
It's a photo-op.
I will prosecute somebody that made porno movies.
And now we're really conservative.
And it's just, it's theater.
It's like one of the insiders of 9-11, Porter Goss, who was there with the head of Al-Qaeda on the morning of 9-11.
Having a delicious meal.
Eggs Benedict, it was reported.
With the man who wired $100,000 to the lead hijacker, Muhammad Ata.
General Mahmood Ahmad of Pakistani Intel.
And involved in the cover-up of 9-11 and been a long-time CIA officer.
They just told us about it a year ago.
Oh, he's been a lifetime CIA agent.
He's the new director.
We like to have CIA officers in Congress.
And, well, now we've just got to give all our rights up or Al Qaeda's going to attack us from the southern border.
Again, they put the label that, oh, southern border, open border is dangerous.
It has nothing to do with that.
They're not going to control that.
Then they propose more legislation to take our freedoms.
It's like the last two national ID card bills, one that completely passed Congress in December, the one that passed the House last week.
We talked about that again yesterday.
Well, now, they just keep beefing it up, expanding it, but putting loopholes for the illegal aliens in it.
So very, very serious.
That's all going to be coming up as well with more details of that.
Some good news and then I'm going to your calls.
Remember a couple days ago we had the father on who first said no at Sutter California Elementary School, Brittany Elementary School, where they wear these huge RFID tracker chips around their necks that track everything they do in the school.
And he said no, and a bunch of other parents started questioning it.
A few others said no.
And the company that was doing it, pushing it, has now pulled out because lawsuits were being prepared.
And the father we had on the broadcast wasn't aware this was going on all over the country.
But if you just type in RFID tracking children in schools, You'll get just literally dozens of reports around the country of it happening.
And so you should look for that, and it may already be going on in your school district, and fight it.
But this is out of the Associated Press.
Company pulls out of deal to track students.
The grade school that required students wear radio frequency identification badges.
The contractor every move has ended the program because the company that developed the technology pulled out.
I'm disappointed That's about all I can say at this point, said Ernie Graham, the superintendent and principal of Brittany Elementary School in Sutter, California, said Tuesday night.
I think I let my staff down.
Nobody on this campus knows every student.
The badges developed by Sutter-based technology group IncomCorp were introduced January 18th.
The school board was set to talk about the controversial policy Tuesday night, but tabled the discussion after ICOM announced it was terminating the agreement.
I'm not convinced it's over.
Parent Don Cantrell, who filed a complaint with the American Civil Liberties Union, told the Marysville Appeal Democrat, I'm happy for now that kids are not being tagged, but I'm still fighting to keep it out of our school system.
It has to stop here.
The system was imposed without parental input, but the school, as a way of simplifying attendance taking, and potentially reduced vandalism, and improved safety of the students.
Yeah, sure it was.
Technology scares some people.
It's a fear of the unknown.
Parent Mary Browner.
Uh, told the newspaper before the meeting, any kind of new technology has the potential for misuse, but I feel confident the school is not going to misuse it.
Yeah, I love this attitude of, I don't test my neighbor.
Yeah, why don't you just go over to your neighbor and say, here, I'm hooking up phone line supplies to my house.
Anytime you want to listen to me, you just listen.
And here, I'm going to put cameras in my house.
Anytime you want to watch me, just watch me.
Or anytime you want, you know, I'm going to give the whole neighborhood keys to my house.
You wouldn't do that.
You don't trust your neighbors.
And you shouldn't entirely trust them.
But you should trust them more than you trust this government.
Where people who abuse power, who are ruthless, who lie, who are cunning, rise to the top.
That's just history and facts and common sense.
What the Founding Fathers warned you about.
But now they say, oh no, I just trust them.
I just think they're so nice.
When their own documents say they're going to tax and trace and control us with this RFID.
When they admit they're going to enslave you with it, you sit there like a drooling idiot!
You are just morons!
People like you!
You think you're part of the system?
I'm not afraid of it!
I'm not a troglodyte!
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I'm not an anti-technology zealot on some type of botlerian jihad!
But see, decadence is taking something that's good and going too far with it.
It's like gluttony.
I mean, I think the watching of it, you know, 20 hours a week, the worship of it, the tribal nature of the big events, being a spectator, I think at this level is sick.
But I think it's really good for young people to get them into a lot of different swimming and track and football and baseball and softball and wrestling.
I mean, I think it's wonderful.
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Well, the reason I disagree is based on my high school sports experience.
It conditions people to accept... No, it's very hierarchical.
It's all about a hierarchy type system and worship the football players.
I know that, but what I'm... Go ahead and make your point.
I'm sorry.
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Well, it programs people to be blind, unquestioning, obedient lackeys.
And it conditions people to accept groupthink.
As you pointed out many times, if the citizens in this country use just 1% of the time, money, and energy that they spend on the national sports obsession, studying the Constitution or history, how much better off we'd be.
Did you ever see Hearts and Minds, about 1970, that film making the connection between the simulated warfare of football and the unconstitutional, immoral war in Vietnam?
No, but I mean the government is now trying to compare the war to football.
They do that in ads and in propaganda.
And they even sell like W bumper stickers that show like W on the football helmet, like it's rah rah our team.
And it's just like Rome with the gladiatorial diversions Uh, there.
So, this... I mean, yes, there's a lot of... They know it's innate enough to have simulated warfare.
And so, they know how to manipulate that.
But I don't think... I mean, we still have that in us, and I think that if you're participating in it, uh, I'd... I mean, I'd much rather have young people out involved in sports than snorting cocaine.
And I literally was trying to mouth it while he was talking, and I can't say it!
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We're your call straight ahead.
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Well, we may end up getting interned down at Gitmo for saying this, you know?
You know, I think Mr. Gonzalez needs to stop worrying about California porno films and pay attention a little closer to home.
What apparently started as an inconvenient and embarrassing misadventure is morphing into a potential powder keg for this administration.
This Jeff Gannon, supposedly a reporter, along with several other Hannity Limbaugh clones, was apparently hired to ask softball questions at George Bush's press conference.
It's admitted he's paid through an organization controlled by the Bush administration and they gave him a fake name so he wouldn't be recognized and targeted.
But the media focuses on, is he going to get in trouble for giving a fake name?
No, it was part of the scam!
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Well, there are several laminations here and it seems like the bloggers, and I don't know how true this is, but apparently It's the old Franklin cover-up rearing its ugly head again, because from what I'm understanding, there's a possibility of underage gay prostitutes in the White House again.
Okay, and it was a whole write-up and I think there were several, maybe two or three other articles in papers regarding this, but apparently this whole hiring scandal goes much deeper and I think it also ties into gay porno and prostitutes, underage gay prostitutes
In the White House involving the highest... Well, I haven't read that about this case, but I've certainly seen that over the years in a bunch of other mainstream publications.
Thanks for the call.
I mean, I've got the, again, New York Post headline, Top Gay Porn Star Services VIPs at Bohemian Grove.
And, I mean, I've got spy magazine articles, AP articles from the 80s.
Where they just bus in the male prostitutes.
And yes, the White House, during conservative administrations, it has come up with the underage, we're talking 16 year old and younger, male prostitutes.
I mean, it blows the mind that this kind of stuff is going on.
But hey, they say they're Christian and conservative.
I mean, why?
Gonzales is going after porn right now.
Yeah, but he's not going after Dyncor, caught kidnapping 200,000 women and children.
They were convicted in civil court.
It all came out in Yugoslavia.
No, no, they just get more contracts.
It's all window dressing.
And it's so evil, just the average person can't even begin to face it.
Who's up next here?
Myron in South Dakota, then Carlos and Mike and others.
Go ahead, Myron.
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They'll have a limited political spectrum, and then they'll have false debates within the spectrum, and then that fools us to think that there's an alternative there, and we contain ourselves within the limited choices.
But I haven't read the book, so I'm not... I'm not... I have no right to comment on it.
I mean, tell me about the book.
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I read a review of it in the New American Magazine for this month, or this week.
Uh, that is February 21st issue.
And he addressed the issue of slavery.
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In fact, last night, you had to see this on Nightline.
If anybody has a copy of this, I'm sure you're going to want this, Alex.
They ran the entire Nightline show, a war game, with smallpox hitting the world.
Madeleine Albright acted as the American president.
She was making the argument for the Americans.
That the vaccine and withholding vaccines from Muslims might be a good way to cull some of the Muslims politically, and they had to look at it as a political advantage, while the European Union actors were saying we need to vaccinate the world.
It was really scary.
If you didn't know that it was a war game and that it was all fake, you would have tuned into Nightline on ABC last night and thought that the proverbial, you know what, it hit the fan.
About four years ago, before 9-11, they had a five-night series.
That started on a Friday and then ran to the next Thursday on Nightline, where at the first they would say, this is a simulation.
Then they would show footage of, you know, riots after hurricanes or whatever, but wouldn't tell you it was because of a hurricane, it was real footage.
They would tell you smallpox has been released.
25 million are dead.
Martial law has been declared.
You're telling me they did it again?
And Albright was talking about withholding vaccines from Muslims?
You're telling me, you're telling me, I mean she's famous for saying 700,000 dead Iraqi children is a good price to pay for security in the Gulf.
You're telling me that she said last night, in the drill, by the way she's foreign born folks, she's Czechoslovakian, her dad was a commissar, conservatively killed, this is mainstream folks, a million people.
And then ran to Serbia, they protected her, then of course decades later she bombed them with pleasure, and they had her on TV in a picture of her going, we helped you, why are you doing this to us?
And of course stole their artwork, their gold, their treasure.
That's been in the news, stolen artwork in her house.
I mean, she's a monster.
So they had a foreigner simulating as our president, and then she says, now be specific, she said in the piece that we may want to withhold vaccines from the Muslims.
This was a long argument as more death tolls were coming in across the country, interwoven with a fake newscast going out through the country reporting more deaths by the CDC.
Her argument, which she kept coming back to again and again, Alex, was this should be used as a political tool.
I'll tell you, you can look at my website, jackblood.com, for just the last month and look at all of the news.
It's staggering.
But just yesterday, if you take that one little window apart, just the news from yesterday alone, and what the media was doing in the way of con... It is fantastic!
The Microsoft founder, of course, Bill Gates, working with Norway, giving a billion dollars with the plan to immunize the entire world's children by 2015.
I mean, all of this really goes together, as you know.
Yeah, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation They love the children of the world so much, they fund special vaccine goodies.
And of course, Prince Philip does that as well, and Ted Turner does, and they all give to these big vaccine funds that go around, admittedly, and forcibly inoculate whole villages and towns.
They say, if you want any IMF or World Bank money, you've got to accept these UN troops coming in and vaccinating you.
And the parents, this has been in the BBC, will flee the villages, running with their children from the vaccines, because they know They say, after we take the vaccines, our children get sick, many of them die.
But you've got to wonder, why is Prince Philip or Ted Turner, both of them who openly talk about getting rid of 80-95% of us in public speeches and books they've written, who talk about overpopulation and all this Malthusian garbage, why are they so obsessed with giving you vaccines so you don't die?
We have to save the children!
Oh, we need to get rid of 80-95% of people, but here, take a shot!
I also want you all to live.
We don't want you to get sick.
And then we have the documents.
AIDS, HIV, was engineered by the Defense Department.
And we have a government trying to set the precedent to forcibly inoculate the American people.
Now, I didn't see Nightline last night, but if you saw her, you're welcome to call in.
Carlos in California, thanks for holding her on the air.
I think the whole world's out of control, but go ahead.
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Alex, we're talking about the death squads in Agua Fonte.
You know, some of these death squads were trained at Fort Benning, Georgia, here in the military base, Army base, Fort Benning, Georgia.
And there were some luminaries, they trained a lot of Latin America guerrilla leaders, Including Manuel Noriega, who was trained there, the president of Panama.
Also, Roberto Duavizon, who became president of El Salvador.
And of course, all these people went on to lead the death squad in El Salvador, Honduras.
They created all the terror.
that forced a lot of people to flee out of there and then come into the United States as the illegal aliens, you know what I'm saying?
Well, Necroponte, I mean I dub him Lord of the Death Squads, he was there managing and running all of it and tens of thousands of troops were trained in how to hook electrodes to people, how to torture them, just sheer terror, going into villages, killing whole families, And it had nothing to do with fighting communism.
It was about controlling the drug production zones.
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Well, exactly.
Right now, from what I understand, it was the School of the Americas that is training these people to forfeit in Georgia.
Of course, it changed its name now to something else.
By the way, they're hiring the old death squad colonels and commanders, and paying them $400,000, $300,000 a year, and they're sending them to Iraq, because they can't get our own people en masse to torture, so they're actually sending, the last numbers I saw were hundreds of these guys, to be torture masters.
They're actually hiring these Latin Americans who did it before, to send them over there.
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Exactly, so you know our CIA is training all these guerrilla leaders out there and they spread them across the world to spread terror across their countries and of course then people start flying out of there because of the terror and the corporations start moving into all these areas that they leave desolate and they start taking over.
Another thing here real quick, I was looking at the history of the neoconservatives Alex, there's a guy named Leo Strauss Well, apparently he is the guru of the Neoconservatives.
Well look, we've interviewed people who were in the same classes with Strauss, who were in class with all of these neocons, you know, top neocons today.
And I mean, this is admitted, this is like mainstream folks.
The entire Republican hierarchy were the communist fourth international.
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And that's who they are.
And Strauss was an admirer of Hitler.
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And so it's a fusion of radical communism and Hitlerism.
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Well of course, and the Rockefellers had a lot to do with it.
They were the owners of... Just like they funded Hitler.
Yeah, Standard Oil, which merged with IG Farben over in Germany, which was creating the petrochemicals that were being used to gas all the Jews at all these concentration camps.
What I worry about is them leaving a very pro-Iranian government there and then creating the pretext to go back in and utterly destroy the whole region.
Well, I think a lot of the experts we've talked to are saying that they're just going to start a war with Iran and then That it's going to blow up from there.
He was kind of a futurist there in the Royal Institute of International Affairs court, the heart of what we call the CFR today in America, but the British counterpart of the Royal Institute that, by the way, a couple months ago changed its name.
They keep doing that.
A lot of that's happening now to confuse people, throw folks off.
But, you know, he wrote the book New World Order in the late 30s.
Yeah, he wrote a number of books that were... I guess we view them as prophetic, but like you say, he was a strongly committed Fabian Socialist, and he knew what their plans were.
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Tell us about your son, his life, just in a nutshell, what happened when he was sent out of country, and then now your fight to try to save other lives.
Okay, well, Casey was 24 when he was killed and he was just, you know, just one of the most amazing people.
He was very low-key and He was very calm and gentle and sweet.
And he joined the Army in May of 2000.
He wanted to, you know, give something back to the country.
He was always about service.
He was an Eagle Scout.
He was an altar boy for 10 years.
You know, when he was 18, he stopped being an altar boy and went to serve the church in other capacities.
And he did that even throughout his army service.
He went to mass and helped the chapel where he was stationed.
On April 4th, 2004, he had only been in Iraq for two weeks, and there was a battle going on.
If you'll remember, April 1st was when the contractors in Fallujah were mutilated and hung from the bridge.
And that's right after Paul Bremer took away their newspaper, the Shiites newspaper and TV and said some highly inflammatory things and inflamed the Shiites to rebellion against our armed forces.
And on April 4th in Frater City, which is a Shiite ghetto in Baghdad, some of the Shiites
overtook some police stations and a group was sent out to take the police stations back from the Shiite rebels and they were ambushed and they were in a fierce battle and my son and some people on his post were listening to the battle over the radio and they were told to put together a quick response team to go out and to save the
You know, to help the soldiers that were trapped in the battle that they were in.
Well, my son volunteered to go on that mission, and he was a Humvee mechanic.
He was also trained to be a combat lifesaver, which is like a step below a medic.
So they get to the soldiers and try to stabilize them as best they can.
And I saw one poor fella on CNN whose brother was killed.
He's sitting there with his eight-month-old baby on his lap, and he goes, well, You know, they killed my brother, so I'm going back.
But that vengeance isn't going to bring his brother back, and what it's going to do is perhaps end up having his baby lose a father and his parents who were begging him to stay.
Yeah, Casey, one of Casey's buddies, in fact it was his best friend, He was with Casey when he died.
He was Casey's chief in the motor pool.
And he was on leave in September and he came back.
And he came to visit us because he lives in California too.
And he said, Cindy, they lied to us so bad.
They told us we were going to go over there and we were going to build schools and get their water system going and build up relationships with the Iraqi people.
He goes, every day this is what we do.
They try to kill us and we try to kill them.
And he says, it's all about just keeping each other alive.
And I said, Mike, you know, you don't have to go back.
This is against the law, what I'm about to tell you.
But I said, you know, we have money from Casey.
If you want to take your family to Canada, or if you need a lawyer, we will help to fight to keep you from going back to this immoral war.
And he said, Cindy, I have to go back.
My men are there.
He goes, I don't want to go back.
He was crying.
He goes, I don't want to go back, but my men are there.
They don't want to betray their friends, which is admirable, but then you have to look at the larger scale.
It's just going to continue this black hole, while a bunch of... I mean, I watch Bush and the rest of them.
They're walking around in $5,000 gowns, and his daughters are putting their lipstick on and laughing, and they're just up there smirking, and the Democrats are all voting for this war, and they're just a bunch of decadent lying trash.
Well, it's sacrificing them to the New World Order.
Right.
Look, they already have a draft.
Somebody served.
We've got guard who's been in country for two years, getting a month off here or there, and they're telling them, sorry, four years now, you're going to... Even in Vietnam and World War II, they didn't keep you in combat for more than a year.
And folks, people sit there, these armchair quarterbacks, And go, you know, attack Iran, attack Syria like it's something entertaining to watch on TV.
Folks, they're going to send your children, and when they get their arms and legs blown off, or even worse, die, you know, you're going to be on this show, and I've had these people call me, you know, after they lose children, oh, the war was wrong, you were right, I was wrong, you know, they better, we don't have to do this so these globalists can have the oil!
Coming up in the next segment, we're going to take some of your calls.
And if you disagree with us, if you think this war is a great thing, and you're like half-Americans in major polls who believe Saddam Hussein attacked us on 9-11, even though the government admits he didn't, Or if you believe the propaganda that weapons of mass destruction were found, call us and explain to us.
Or if you think the draft's a great thing, or if you think that this war's good, or if you disagree with it, we'd love to hear from you.
Talking to Cindy Sheehan, and she was the mother of Army Specialist Casey Austin Sheehan, killed in action last year.
She's the co-founder of Gold Star Families for Peace.
We'll tell you about that website and organization here in a moment.
I saw, I talked about this on Monday, I saw two double amputees this weekend.
One at a computer store, another at a grocery store.
I saw one double amputee and one person who lost an arm.
Handsome black guy with a high and tight, you know, haircut in a wheelchair helping me get up.
A real nice fellow helping me pick out a hard drive, a bigger hard drive.
And I just said, did you get back from Iraq?
And he said, yeah.
And he still had bandages on his legs.
And then I saw another fellow, a white guy, you know, nice looking guy with his, you know, short haircut sitting there in the grocery store having trouble pushing the cart, you know, and guiding it.
And he had a It was arm blown off up at the shoulder.
I said, did you just get back from Iraq?
He said, yeah.
And I said, well, God bless you.
But I mean, I'm seeing the wreckage just around me.
And it's been in major newspapers that they will discharge somebody in Germany at Rammstein or other bases, the big medical bases, just so they don't have to pay for their flight back and make families pay to fly them back.
Um, well, you know, I always get accused of not supporting the troops by my work and, you know, I know my only way of supporting the troops now is since this is a proven, um, based on lies, this war has been unequivocally proven that it's based on lies, is to bring them home.
Not one drop of Iraqi or American blood should be shed.
They should just get out of there as fast as possible.
And what I find even more despicable is the injuries in this war are way more serious than other wars.
They're more often than not getting more than one limb blown off because of their Kevlar body armor.
They get their limbs blown off and they have to go into the hospital for long periods of time and rehabilitation.
And if they are in a VA hospital for over three months, they have to start paying for their own meals.
There are people, and understand what she's saying, normally in Vietnam or World War II or Korea, you would die from your injuries because they were so bad, but the body armor is so good that it just blows everything off that was around it.
And so normally they would die, now they're not dying, and then they get here, and yes, people in the hospitals, I mean I'm talking triple amputees, are being forced to pay for their own meals.
Cutting them loose, not caring about them, just waving a plastic flag.
Supporting the troops means not caring about them, letting them breathe the depleted uranium, letting them take the experimental vaccines that are illegal to give them.
Supporting the troops means not caring about them.
Well, you know what too, Alex, is that we found out, you know, Casey was only over there for two weeks, so he just started a letter and he didn't have a chance to finish it.
And we got it back with his things, but We found out that for the last two weeks of his life he was sleeping in his Humvee because there wasn't enough cots on post.
He was stationed at FOB War Eagle in Souder City.
And since he didn't, he gave up the bed, he was allowed to have one other meal a day because they were down to one meal a day.
So if you give up your bed, you can have two meals a day.
Halliburton does the meals and they get billions, and they've been caught feeding old rotten meals to them, contaminated water.
It's all about profit, but for all the private contractors and CIA folks, they've got topless dancers, the finest whiskeys, drugs in the green zone, and they're just partying while outside the armored compound our troops are being slaughtered.
You know, and I just want to tell people, your listeners, supporting the troops would be getting them out of there because, you know, we're going into Iran or Syria next and our kids will never come home.
It's going to be perpetual war and that's what these people want because they're getting richer.
We're going to come back and talk about your organization and how folks get involved and try to end this criminal war.
And then we'll also take folks' calls.
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He had joined the military in 2000, but he still went.
And he died.
And these reports, I've talked to the troops in person, but it's also been in mainstream news that they'll turn their tanks on when it's cold, because the winter just passed.
And they'll be told, uh, turn them off, don't use fuel.
Then the officers all go off and stay in the lavish palaces while they literally sleep in their tanks and their humpies, and they're not given cold weather gear, they're given nothing, they're given, as she said, one meal a day.
One meal a day.
And it's all about profit.
They got money to be feeding these guys T-bone steaks three times a day.
It's just... Pay for your food when your legs are blown off.
Pay for your flight back home.
It's just pure evil.
And the Democrats and Republicans won't talk about it because they're all for this.
They're all living high on the hog off this slavery.
Cindy, tell us about your organization and any other points you want to make before we go to these calls.
I founded an organization called Gold Star Families for Peace.
A gold star family is a family that has lost a loved one in the war and we were all Going out separately around the country, speaking out for peace and against the war, and to support our troops by bringing them home.
And our mission is to bring the troops home before any other families have to go through what we're going through.
And we realize we can't bring our loved ones back, but hopefully with our efforts and what we say and what we do, we can bring the rest of America's children home before it's too late.
And if you want to go on our website, it's www.gsssp.org.
I've been told also that as long as they get their foot on a helicopter And they're not, they don't count as being killed in Iraq, so they're not counted as an official, you know, death in the war.
And I was talking to a Marine that had been out of the Marines, and he was, worked in the morgue, and he told me, and this was months ago, he told me that the casualty figures are way low.
He said that at least a thousand Marines have been killed in this war.
Now for those who don't believe this, for the first four years of the undeclared war in Vietnam, over six thousand of our troops died and they kept it secret until the mid-seventies.
So, they've done this before and this is something America never did until Vietnam.
Now the Soviets and others, they always did stuff like this.
They would tell families, don't tell anybody that your husband or your son died in Afghanistan.
Keep your mouth shut.
And so on top of it, I'm sure you heard about a month ago that in Louisiana they were bringing in a bunch of the dead, and the families said, we want them to be seen, and the officers rebelled and said, okay, we're going to show people the coffins.
So we're also seeing now, people in the military aren't putting up with this.
I mean, the propaganda we hear that the troops love and worship Bush, and they just love the war, from what I've been hearing from the troops, that's not the case.
Well, from the troops I hear from, that's not the case either.
I'm sure if you go, if you went over there and searched and searched, you can find people that just support the war and support the president.
And those are the only people that we see on the mainstream news.
And the picture that Tammy Solisio took back in April of the flag-draped coffins coming home that she got fired from her job for, my son was in one of those coffins.
Before that, the Army does not tell you anything.
The only reason I know about details of my son's death is that his buddy told me.
And his buddies told me.
They've filled in the missing pieces of that day.
And before I saw that picture on the news, we didn't know that if maybe they just put Casey in a body bag and stacked him in the corner like cordwood.
You know, and to us, to see what care they were, and honor that they were treated with from the time You know, they left Iraq to come back to America.
You know, that was something that was a comfort to us.
You know, these boys are sent over to be killed and then they're brought back in the dark of night like they're, like, like, you know, they should be ashamed of themselves.
And he's a staff sergeant, so they've made him a platoon leader, which means he drives in one of them armored Humvees, kind of like, you know, lead man.
You know, there's no more dangerous job than being a point man.
And the mechanics and others there, the MPs and stuff for the Air Force, have even volunteered to go do the parameter patrols, but they said it'd take about three weeks to train them for that.
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So, what we have is, what we have is, well, we have people living in these ivory towers with marble all around them, out on their million dollar jet boats, flying in their helicopters, laughing, giggling, slurping beer.
Meanwhile, Iraq is already fallen.
It is totally imploded.
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That's right, all our Christian conservative leaders are going to have sex with their male prostitutes.
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Yeah, yeah, you know, and I'm still doing my thing with your videos and getting the word out as much as I can, and I'm finding a lot more people are waking up And, uh, I'm, uh, the tapes that Dave and Joyce made, uh, the Gulf War vets and all of the stuff about that, I'm getting those out, too, in regards to your DU and everything.
And, you know, if you go to the website, right on the base's own website, Balad, Iraq is where it is, B-A-L-A-D, right on the base's own website, it says that they inspected for HMX, because that's one of the places that the HMX was stored.
The point is, you had an enemy in front of you, classical warfare, symmetrical, that you could go defeat, and then you'd get R&R and play volleyball, and go swimming.
Now it's just continual.
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Yeah, well, like I said before, we had sweat glands rile up on our body, and we had these large cysts, big as your thumbnail, Come up all over her back, over the back of her neck, behind her ear.
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And I used to go into the battle with airplanes and clean the flying machine guns.
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When it comes right down to it, the one-worlders are to take our borders away and destroy our sovereignty and the Iraqis are actually fighting our war against the one worlders and we're killing the Iraqis.
Yes, well you know what, I guess war has always been really bad but Like you said, if we were attacked, if the United States was in danger, we would all defend our country.
I'd go out with my rolling pin to try and get, you know, the attackers out of the country.
And I don't blame the Iraqi people for my son's death at all.
You know, we do the same thing.
In fact, we did the same thing in the Revolutionary War, you know, so we could be free from Great Britain.
And, you know, it's just amazing to me that More than half of America think that this is a moral and just war that we're fighting.
We'll be back and I'm told that Louie disagrees and we'll go to Steve as well.
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Louie in Texas, I hear you disagree with something.
The troops really do have to pay for their own food.
They really do.
They tell them you've got to have clean uniforms, but then they charge them $100 for 10 pounds of laundry.
I mean, this has never been done.
Our government's so corrupt, the private corporations there literally ensure that they suck every amount of money out of their paychecks, and then nothing goes home to the families.
You know, we've got fascism now in control of the government.
You know, that's business controlling the government, which is fascism.
Right, exactly.
The troops are nothing more than property or assets to be used.
Now, the war, in my opinion, was about Saddam not accepting dollars for payment for oil, and there was a lot of talk in the Middle East about that occurring.
Now, the Fed needed to put a stop to any of the talk about dumping the dollar, and it came out yesterday evening, Alex, that the Federal Reserve Chairman, Alan Greenspan, Daddy Bush, Newt Gingrich, and many big players in Washington, D.C., were also involved in the food for oil scandal.
Hey, the Federal Reserve, this came out a year and a half ago, the Federal Reserve takes the money from Iraq, from the oil, and puts it in its own bank account.
Yeah, I mean, folks, they admit, I've talked to recruiters, they are told to lie to you.
And they will tell you that, oh, you're going to be a mechanic or you're going to be a jet pilot, and you will be on the front lines paying for your food.
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I went to the recruiter to go in as an officer, and they told me that they're meeting their quotas.
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Because when I called the personnel center, they said, "We're hurting the people." So to double speak out there is just incredible.
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We are joined by the editor of the Progressive Magazine.
He's Matthew Rothschild.
He's talking about Bush's pick of John Negroponte for National Intelligence Director, basically to control all the intelligence agencies and to make sure that, well, stuff doesn't leak out and they have little 9-11 type operations for us to give us the new draft and the next level of the police state.
And I've read Mr. Rothschild's writings many times over the years.
Tell us about yourself and your magazine, and then let's get into Negroponte.
I mean, it looks like to be in the administration, you've got to have credentials in death squads and torture.
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Yeah, that seems to be a prerequisite, and this guy really has got dirty hands.
I mean, Negroponte was involved as U.S.
Ambassador in Honduras in the early 1980s, With approving or condoning the torture that the Honduran government was doing there.
There was a battalion called Battalion 316 that the Honduran government had operating there.
It was trained by the CIA and it killed at least 189 people, including throwing people out of planes.
And Negro Posse covered up for them and wrote Congress that the Honduran government was having a fine human rights record when actually it was deep into this kind of I've been at the Progressive here for 23 years.
But let's go back, let's talk about you, sir, tell folks who you are, and then let's talk about the magazine. - Sure, I've been at the Progressive here for 23 years.
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The Progressive magazine was founded in 1909 by Fighting Bob La Follette, one of the original progressives.
And we've been, ever since, trying to put forward these ideas of civil rights and civil liberties and nonviolence and in opposition to US administration adventurism overseas and a control on corporate power.
Those are the pillars of progressivism as we see it.
And so, we're a monthly magazine.
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Well, before we get into Negroponte, and I love Torture Gonzales, and Bush is above the law Gonzales, and this whole gaggle of creatures, I've always been curious about that.
So you're related to the famous European Rothschild family, or are you not?
I'm not.
unidentified
You know, if I had a dollar every time I was asked that, maybe I would be one of those European bankers by now, but no, there's no relation.
I was just curious, it's interesting, just historically.
Napoleon, all of it, Battle of Waterloo, it's just very interesting.
So, Negroponte, what you just said about him, I think is the Kind of the lightest stuff.
I mean, this guy has just been involved in so much dirt.
And Bush is really openly saying he's above the law and building a scary mechanism.
They're sending Homeland Security out to toy stores to harass people over copyright infringement.
Our trademark infringement.
They're arresting veterans that complain too much.
I mean, it's like they're building some type of cross between Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany.
I'm not just worried about foreign countries being under all this.
I'm worried about America.
unidentified
Well, you've got to be worried about our civil rights and civil liberties, Alex, with what's going on with the U.S.A.
Patriot Act and with even addendums to the U.S.A.
Patriot Act that have been passed that allow the government essentially to forget about the judiciary and not go and get a A warrant to go search your place.
They can write up their own warrants and go snoop on you anytime they want.
So that's a real serious issue domestically.
Negro Ponce has got just one of the longest bloody trails of anyone in power right now.
He was a guy who in Vietnam, as Henry Kissinger's deputy, was suggesting to Kissinger that the United States shouldn't make a deal, they shouldn't end the Vietnam War, that they should keep fighting the Vietnam War.
I don't know how long he wanted to keep fighting the Vietnam War, but he was to the right of Henry Kissinger during those days, which gives you an idea about where he's coming from.
Well, I had Sally Castillo on, who was the head DEA agent for seven years for Latin America, and he said Necroponte was involved in everything, not just death squads.
He said this guy was like a super gopher who was controlling everything.
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Well, he was controlling the illegal Contra war for Ronald Reagan in the early 1980s as ambassador to Honduras.
So he must have known about the Iran-Contra, the drugs-for-weapons deal, all the stuff that Oliver North was doing and a lot of other illegal activity there.
But the thing that disturbs me most really is his Just covering up for torture.
I mean, there were people who had fled El Salvador after Archbishop Romero was killed by death squads that the U.S.
was funding in El Salvador.
And Archbishop Romero's secretary, a woman, was one of 30 women who this battalion in Honduras took up into airplanes and threw out of planes.
And then when some American citizens, including some nuns, went down there to ask Negro Ponzi what happened, he pretended he knew nothing about it.
He lied to them, he lied to Congress.
This guy is an operator, a very bloody operator for the U.S.
Empire.
And so it's a scary thing for me to believe that he's going to be head of intelligence here.
I mean, it seems to me that the Bush administration is sending an unmistakable message to people around the world with the appointment of Gonzales and now of Negro Ponzi that You know, torture is in.
Well, you were talking about how he's this bloody operator, but then you mentioned U.S.
Empire.
I mean, to say U.S.
Empire, it's a global corporate empire that seized America and is using us as an engine of domination for the planet, a huge battering ram.
But, I mean, I find the left, I don't believe in the left and right, it's all a false paradigm.
I mean, the Democrats are basically voting as much as the Republicans are for all this police, state, and war, and Clinton did all the same stuff, and Clinton supports this war, Hillary, all of them, and so I think to say U.S.
Empire kind of psychologically draws these lines and people go, yeah, I'm for America!
You know, shut up, Rothschild!
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Well, I do hear that all the time, and I get that on the web, too.
But I do think the United States is an empire.
I do think it is useful to continue to talk in terms of right and left sometimes.
I think more Democrats and certainly more progressives are opposed to this war in Iraq, though there is some support for getting out of the war on the right as well.
And I think we need to recognize that we're no longer really a functioning democracy here because the interests of the U.S.
corporate elite and also the interests of the people like Negro Ponte and Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld who run U.S.
foreign policy is antithetical to the interests of most of the people in this country.
I mean, our founders would be aghast at war and empire.
Yeah, people like Michael Weiner-Savage called for putting people who disagree with the government in forced labor camps.
Michelle Malkin writes the book, The Case for Internment Camps.
Everywhere.
I mean, really, this is like a Twilight Zone episode, Matthew.
And you've been the editor of this major magazine for several decades.
You've been watching this.
I want to look into your crystal ball.
From your experience, I want your predictions.
This is what I ask everybody who comes on this broadcast about these subjects.
What do you see happening in the next four years?
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Well, you know what scares me the most, Alex, is the possibility that the United States is attacked again by terrorists, this time with a chemical or biological weapon.
And if the United States is attacked again, I think it's Katy, bar the door.
I think the Bush administration will go attack just about every country that Bush doesn't like.
I mean, if North Korea said, we did it, I think Bush would attack Iceland.
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I don't know.
I still think he wants to attack North Korea even though the Pentagon has done a war game on that and a million people would die in the first five days according to its own estimates.
But I think Bush thinks he's, you know, he's got the message from God that he's got to go attack this country, that country, and the next to deliver the gift of freedom.
And that's a very scary thing for me.
So Bush's messianic militarism scares me.
And the possibility, after the United States is attacked again, of the United States imposing martial law.
But not only that, there's another senior administration official at Palm Levy office who used the exact phrase.
And that was Wayne Downing, one of Condoleezza Rice's deputies, who said, if we're attacked again this time with weapons of mass destruction, we're going to have to declare martial law.
attorney, the head of counterterrorism in Wisconsin, when I was talking.
some University of Wisconsin Green Bay about this.
And I mentioned this fear, and I thought he was going to say, oh, that's that crazy Rothschild from that crazy left-wing magazine, the progressive, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Declaring martial law would be the last thing we'd ever do.
Well, there was a Gannett News Service article in 2003 where they said, we're going to lock down the schools, take your children, take them to FEMA camps.
Under code red, you have no rights.
It will be martial law.
will be formed into work brigades.
I mean, this is their cover for total dictatorship!
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Well, I don't think it would come to that, but I do think they've got plans underway, on the shelves, that they could, you know, bring out, just as they brought out plans after September 11th to ram the Patriot Act down our throats, to really curtail our freedoms.
Wayne Downing, Condoleezza Rice's deputy at National Security Council, was saying, we're going to have to have The Army be able to arrest people.
They're just slobbering, foaming at the mouth for this.
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Coming up in the next segment, we're going to be taking your calls, toll-free number to join us, 1-800-255-99231.
You mentioned another Bush administration official, Rice's deputy, who talked about martial law that I wasn't aware of.
I was aware of Eberhardt and Franks and a bunch of others, but tell us about this other individual.
You actually pulled that article out.
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Yeah, I grabbed it here in my little file.
This is an article from the Washington Post dated Tuesday, December 24th.
It started on the front with the title, In U.S.
Terrorism's Peril Undiminished, and it goes on then for about 50 paragraphs and about paragraph 37 which gives you an idea about the Washington Post really putting the important stuff at the top.
Here is Wayne Downing, Condoleezza Rice's deputy, now retired.
The United States may have to declare martial law someday, Downing said, in the case of a devastating attack with weapons of mass destruction causing tens of thousands of casualties.
This could mean that the military would be given the authority to impose curfews, protect businesses and communities, even make arrests, unquote.
And so during the fog of all this, they can run around and arrest the dissidents and do whatever they want, and meanwhile rob pension funds and run their scams while the smoke screen's going?
unidentified
Yeah, they can just get away with doing anything.
I mean, they can just suspend the Constitution.
That's what Tommy Franks was talking about, and he was regretting that.
He saw it coming and said, this is going to be bad.
Well, number one, martial law doesn't keep us safe.
Martial law is, again, we've got The CBS News reported that $2.4 trillion is missing from the Pentagon in the last decade.
And that number has doubled.
It was only $1.2 trillion under Clinton, which is bad enough.
Now it's another $1.2 trillion just while Bush has been in.
This is mad, insane stealing and looting.
unidentified
Yeah, you know, they're just getting away with everything hand over fist here.
You know, again, I just don't think the American people are going to go for this if they knew it was going to happen.
And at some point, I'm hoping that a majority of Americans are going to rise up and say, no, I'm delighted that in about 350 towns and cities and counties around the country, people have gotten together and passed ordinances and resolutions saying that they're not going to cooperate and their local police aren't going to cooperate with the federal government when it comes knocking with the USA Patriot Act.
And so I think there's a rebellion, both on the left and on the right, against this USA Patriot Act and this invasion of our rights and liberties.
Yeah, and the Patriot Act means the police can come in your house when you're not there, go through all your files, get on the computer, put a recording device on your computer, and then leave and never tell you about it.
I mean, do people really want the police to be able to do that?
It's like these big regional rubber stamp warrants.
Where they just sign one for a region, and then they... Of course, Patriot Act 2, it's got secret arrest of citizens.
Well, you know the definition in Section 802 of the first Patriot Act, is any action that endangers human life, it's a violation of any federal or state law.
unidentified
Well, this is what, you know, Martin Luther King under the Patriot Act would be considered a domestic terrorist, because he was violating a law, at the same time he was trying to change government policy.
And that, under the Patriot Act, can be construed as intimidation, and if it's intimidation, then you're a terrorist.
What about these reports now where Second Amendment demonstrators or anti-war protesters stand there with a sign on a street corner and they're getting two years in prison?
I mean, they've been ruling this, but there's no First Amendment!
unidentified
Well, the thing that I've been following, and I think anyone who is, you know, standing on, uh, blocking traffic and engaging in civil disobedience can be, uh, dragged through, uh, the USA Patriot Act machinery and go to jail for it, but I, you know, anyone who tries to protest the President is being either put into, you know, free speech zones a mile away, or some of them are getting arrested.
I know people who've been protesting the President when he's coming through towns and they have signs up and they're arrested and held overnight.
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Going back to Matthew, any other key points you want to throw out there before we go to these calls?
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Well, I think you're absolutely right to be bringing people's attention to the problems of our civil liberties after 1910.
I mean, the Bush administration has really been taking them away.
I mean, there's the Patriot Act.
There's these little acts that follow the Patriot Act.
There's the 2004 Intelligence Authorization Act that allows the FBI to go to the post office and read your mail.
They just passed the new freedom initiative for forced psychological testing.
They just passed the national ID card in December.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, they're trying to take our rights away, and people should certainly oppose the reauthorization of the Patriot Act if you do nothing else.
Tell your Congress people not to go for that, because that is just allowing the police into your office, into your bedroom.
Well, I wrote the first analysis of Patriot Act 1.
I'm not kidding.
Within days of it passing, I also wrote one of the first synopses of the Patriot 2, but in there, and I have this article still there from October 2001, folks, Where I show the subsection, it says the sunset is on little tertiary capillary sections of the act.
The real tyrannical elements are not sunsetted, so that's a red herring.
If you listen to what he says carefully, it's we need to reauthorize and expand.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, that's what he's after.
And the very definition of what a domestic terrorist is, that's not going to be sunsetted.
You're absolutely right.
I mean, that's part of the act that isn't up for renewal.
That's there until they repeal it, and I think people should demand that that be repealed.
Because anyone who wants to protest U.S.
policy by engaging in civil disobedience that goes all the way back to the Boston Tea Party, I mean, are we all going to be considered domestic terrorists now?
Well, there are literally hundreds of cases, I lost count, Of hot dealers, county commissioners, bid rigging, complaining, you know, copyright infringements.
They're using the Patriot Act against everybody already!
unidentified
Yeah, they're just throwing the book at people and they're using everything they can to detain people.
They're using the so-called material witness statute that used to be to hold people who were testifying in mob cases from fleeing.
Then they're using that for anyone that they want to hold for whatever purposes they feel like it essentially these days.
I just wanted to say keep yourself safe and keep yourself healthy because we're in for a long fight.
I just wanted to lay out an invitation to Mr. Rockchild because I'm a regular KPFA listener here in the Bay Area and I vividly remember before our stage selection, the local The local hostess, Andrea Lewis, asked him about Skull and Bones and he kind of concluded as a little social organization and I wanted to invite him to PrisonPlanet.tv and listen to the interview from the man who wrote the book on Skull and Bones.
Maybe he can be a little bit more informed next time the opportunity comes up.
Well, I talked to Mr. Rothschild during the break and I said, you know, it's a Nazi death cult.
He said, oh, no, no.
Yeah, I mean, you really should look into two Skull and Bones and these Thule and Thule Society organizations because they really have more power than I think you know.
unidentified
Well, I mean, I just don't agree with you, Alex or Kyle, on Skull and Bones.
I really don't think that Skull and Bones Society and the people who belong to it or have gone through it Have anything really to do about power in America, who's got it, who's using it, and why they're using it.
And I think we're missing the point when we're focusing on those kinds of things.
I mean, the point is, you've got right now, you've got Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, those guys are running the show.
And when Clinton was there, he was doing the bidding of U.S.
corporations, too.
We've got to see who's got the power and why they're using it.
It's not because they went through skull and bones.
It's because they're going to make money by Letting the U.S.
military open up more markets overseas and letting the I.M.F.
and the World Bank open up those markets for them.
I appreciate that perspective.
I really do.
It's just I'm here and I see so much crossover between good guests on supposed left programs here in the Bay Area and so much identity derived from people associating themselves with progressives or lefties.
But there are good people on both sides that get caught up in this schism.
I just think you have an opportunity to maybe bridge that gap a little bit.
Well, I appreciate that, Calum.
I'm glad you've been listening to all sorts of sides, because I think that's what people should do.
I mean, people should get out of the custom of just listening to people that they always agree with, and you know, you're living in just a little igloo then.
You might as well, you know, sample everything that's out there and come to your own conclusions.
The Founding Fathers said gridlock was good and obstructionism was good.
Instead, it's like they've greased the skids and they're going wild.
Everything is passing.
It's being resisted.
It's like toll roads in Austin.
90 plus percent are against it.
We've caught all the fraud and bribery, but they just go, we're doing it.
Because private corporations want to tax the roads.
It's just a raping, looting, wild orgy of corruption.
Matthew, comments?
unidentified
Well, I think people need to pressure their legislators and tell them if they don't stand up and stand up for the people's good, that they're going to not get their vote.
And they do.
The one thing politicians look at is their possibility of getting re-elected.
That's the only pressure you have on them.
I mean, I do think some of these lopsided votes, you've just got to scratch your head.
I mean, the Patriot Act passed the U.S.
Senate 98-1.
Russ Feingold was the only senator, my senator from Wisconsin, who opposed it.
Well, I think you can talk to people where they are.
And I think no matter where you are in the perspective of politics, whether you're a libertarian, right-wing, Republican, left-wing Democrat, wherever you identify, not many people in this country want corporations to run their lives.
And not many people in this country want the police to be able to come into their home when they're not there.
I mean, that's a huge violation of the Fourth Amendment.
And I think once we can address people where they are and find some points of agreement and then open their eyes to what this government is doing, we can start Building a movement here that will oppose any more of this retrenchment against our rights and maybe get some of these rights back.
Ninety-five percent, excuse me, ninety-four percent of Californians were against these satellite tracker boxes Schwarzenegger wants to put in the car to tax and trace.
But then, you talk to liberal academics, they're all for it.
So, how do we, on a hundred different issues, have ninety-plus percent of people against it And it's common sense, but still the Republican and Democrat leadership is all for it.
unidentified
Well, I think one of the big things we need to do to change this country is get full campaign financing so that the corporations and the wealthiest people in this country aren't buying Congress.
And that's what's been happening.
The lobbyists, you know, go in and cash in the investments.
And so you get the laws the lobbyists want, the corporate interests want, and you don't get the laws that the people need.
Well, you're an editor of a major, you know, established, almost hundred-year magazine, and you've been there for decades, so I want to get your take on this.
We're now learning that there's all these paid-for, White House paid-for fake reporters.
You know, the Armstrong Williams is the tip of the iceberg, as he said.
I've been talking about this for years.
It's massive.
We've got propaganda placement, not product, but propaganda placement where the government is paying for fake newscasts, 76 million of it, last year alone for the Medicare package.
I mean, I don't think people realize just how staged it is.
Your comments on that?
unidentified
Well, that's a huge problem.
I mean, the mainstream media is just regurgitating some of this propaganda from the administration.
It is illegal propaganda.
The government is not supposed to have people on their staff paid to indoctrinate the American people and not telling them where this indoctrination is coming from or that it's associated with the administration.
This is happening in one department after the next department.
of defense department of health and human services i mean these guys are force feeding stuff down our throat and then they're sending out little press releases or video press releases to networks or and uh... local news stations around the country that are running them not identifying it as government propaganda and now we're gonna have this pentagon channel where they're gonna spend their saying hundreds of millions of dollars a year to produce high-quality news pieces that aren't even identified in their other but now they're gonna offer that free
has total disdain for the people this bush administration call roe dick cheney administration they don't like democracy at all they're taking away from us all our constitutional republic cannot survive this i would call it i think there's a book along these lines imperial humorous i mean this is this is humorous definitely is hubris and it's it may get the better of them at some point I mean, Bush is overreaching.
unidentified
He's overreaching with Social Security.
He's overreached in Iraq.
He may overreach in Iran or Syria and North Korea.
The Pentagon told him we would lose unless we had 400,000 troops.
They knew this, but they still just don't care, and the military is literally folding right now.
unidentified
Well, the brat Tommy Franks rolled over for Rumsfeld.
Rumsfeld just beat him up, and finally he said, okay, you know, we'll use 150,000 troops instead of 400,000 troops, and look at the mess they made in Iraq.
But, I mean, that's delusional, what they call, magical thinking.
I mean, it seems like they've really gone off the deep end when their own tacticians and war game strategists tell them it isn't going to work and they just go do it.
unidentified
Well, they were eating their own propaganda, Alex.
They started to believe their own stuff.
They believed the lies of the Iraqi National Congress that they were paying for.
They were paying this group, Ahmad Chalabi's group.
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I was stationed at Fort Drum, New York, and I got sent to Afghanistan, and I was there for a couple months, and I got a Red Cross message that my mom had cancer, and so I came back on leave.
And they gave me like 30 days of leave, and she was on hospice, like where they tell them to take care of you at home or whatever.
And my leave wasn't up, and she was still alive, and I was the only one to take care of her, so I called back to try to get an extension on my leave, and they told me no, that I needed to come back, and so I stayed with her until she died, and my stepdad got sick, and I stayed with him until he died too, which was like, it was a total of 5 months that I was gone, and I got sentenced to 5 months in military prison.
And I'd say like plastered me all over the newspapers around my town like made me look like a real real scum they said like I was a deserter and Which I never deserted, and I was in prison with guys that had been absent without leave like seven years and got lesser sentences.
It's been in the news where they have to pay for their own food when their arms and legs get blown off.
They discharge them in Rammstein, make them pay to fly home.
Have you heard about that?
unidentified
Yes, and it's ridiculous.
Ridiculous.
I mean, they try to paint this picture that when you join the military, they'll take care of you no matter what No matter what happens and it's definitely not true at all.
Mr. Rothschild was talking about, uh, and you about skull and bones.
And, uh, I feel it's very important, as I think you probably do, I've heard you talk before, and, uh, the reason for this is that, uh, these people, uh, People wonder how it is that they can control so much and so many people, and the reason being is that a lot of these people, to my knowledge, I haven't been reading this for 25 years, belong to secret societies, etc.
A lot of them do not know what's going on at the bottom.
They just do what they're told because that's the way it's set up.
And therefore, you can command a whole army of people.
A secret society was just an intelligence agency 200 years ago, and then we're supposed to deny they even exist.
Anything to say to that, Matthew?
unidentified
Well, you know, I don't think the skull and bones is anywhere near the power or the influence in this country.
It's important even to think about it as the Cosa Nostra, as the mob, or as an intelligence agency.
It's a little bit... I really think, you know, I wouldn't disagree on that, but I don't think it has anything to do with, really, what's happening in this country.
And if there weren't any skull and bones, we'd still have the exact same problems that we're having today.
Well, that may be so, but it happens to be at this time that that's the name they choose to call them.
You can call them whatever you want, but you must admit that you mentioned Cheney, Clinton, Bush, that these people all work in conjunction with each other, and they have a name.
That's all.
That's the only thing we're trying to say.
They have a name.
Not that at a given time in history they may be called something else.
They're not following the orders of the skull and bones, in fact.