Alex Jones and guests dissect H.R. 418, a national ID bill alleged to create a Pan-American database with biometric tracking, while Steve Pelletier argues the Iraq War serves oil interests and warns of manufactured attacks to justify conscription. The broadcast critiques Ward Churchill as a globalist provocateur, debates CIA ties to Bin Laden, and features Jeff Dice labeling the ID legislation a "Trojan horse" for authoritarian surveillance, ultimately framing these events as steps toward a New World Order despotism. [Automatically generated summary]
It's already Wednesday, the ninth day of February, 2005.
We'll be live for the next three hours.
We're scheduled to either have Ron Paul or his main press officer, Jeff Dice, on in the third hour to talk about a second National ID Card piece of legislation, H.R.
418.
They passed the National ID Card two months ago in December of 2004, but this new law beefs it up and makes it a Pan-American National ID Card.
That's what they do.
They pass it and then immediately, just like Patriot One, now there's Patriot Two.
They're trying to pass Victory Acts.
It's always about building and expanding.
Never enough tyranny.
So, we're going to talk about that coming up in the next segment in the third hour.
We're going to be talking to the Congressman's office about it.
They're scheduled to try to pass it today out of the House.
Coming up, UK lines up Guantonimo style torture reality TV show.
Where they're going to torture people.
It's so much fun.
All part of the ongoing conditioning process.
Russia and China announce partnership to quote counter U.S.
Rove, that's Karl Rove, the great architect as they call him.
Luciferians and Skull and Bones call somebody else the great architect as well.
Roe finally gets his title in U.S.
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Also, Palestinian groups disavow truce, which just signed yesterday.
And there's been a car bomb explode in Madrid as well.
They're saying the World Cup in 2006 being accused for mega surveillance project using RFID.
A report here out of USA Today with America at War, Hollywood follows, talking about the propaganda films.
And the Drudge Report's talking about Bush.
During one of these little stage town hall meetings, something went wrong.
And while promoting Social Security reform with quote, regular citizens in Omaha, Nebraska, President Bush walked into an awkward, unscripted moment in which he stated that Carrying three jobs at a time is uniquely American, and you're absolutely right.
If people want to keep their standard of living up, because things have dropped, you've got to work three jobs.
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The President Comforted her on the security of Social Security, stating that the promises made will be kept by the government.
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Here's the transcript.
Ms.
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The President, you work three jobs.
Ms.
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The President.
Uniquely American, isn't it?
I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that.
Applause.
Get any sleep?
Laughter.
Yeah, that's the new freedom, folks.
Working.
I know a lot of people working 70 hours a week.
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It's another thing when almost everybody I know is working two jobs.
And I mean people with multiple college degrees.
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I'm Alex Jones, your host.
Coming up in about 10 minutes, we're going to be talking to local activists who are on the verge of recalling the mayor and defeating the centerpiece, the crown jewel of a federal program of national toll roads, where you'll all have transponders in your cars and pay the first year, when it starts, $1,800 per vehicle.
It is unbelievable.
It is a giant plan.
Time Magazine a few months ago did a big report on it.
It's part of the NAFTA highways.
Every state highway.
Almost all your city roads.
Existing roads.
Total nightmare.
That's coming up.
Then, in the second hour, we're going to be talking to Steve Peltier.
Retired after a long and rich career with the CIA and then the Army War College.
And he's a political scientist, and after a stint in journalism covering the Middle East, he became the CIA Senior Analyst at Laney during the Iran-Iraq War.
At the Army War College, he and others studied Iraq's victory over Iran in minute detail, and he has written a number of books on how that feat was managed.
And to give us the inside scoop on the coming World War III, And it's probably going to happen.
Most analysts we've talked to, and we're talking former top Reagan administration, former Bush administration top people, former Clinton top folks, even people who've been involved in the Bush administration are saying this.
That's why we've been focusing on it the last few weeks.
That's coming up in the second hour.
Third hour, we're going to either have Ron Paul or Jeff Deist from Congressman Ron Paul's office on to talk about HR-418.
And details of this are on InfoWars.com right now.
With an emergency alert put out by Congressman Ron Paul's office.
We were contacted by them.
Great folks saying, hey, I want you to help us try to defeat this.
They passed a national ID card December 7, 2004, a day that will live in infamy, and it passed the Senate December Eighteen.
Another day that will live in infamy.
You're thinking, well, why is there another National ID card?
Well, you see, this one just set up federal standardization of the state driver's license through the NCIC database for the new National Sales Tax that's coming.
You'll have to have it to have a job, and it sets up internal checkpoints, and it's bad enough.
I mean, it's a nightmare.
But the monsters just get bigger, you know, each generation.
And so now, two months later, just a few days shy of two months later, out of the furnace, into the pit of the Night Circle of Hell, comes HR-418, scheduled to pass today.
A bill, we are told, will stem the flow of illegal aliens through our porous borders.
Which is not true.
The last bill actually gave waivers for the illegal aliens.
For starters, it does nothing to stem the flow of illegal aliens.
That's Ron Paul's comment.
Instead, H.R.
418 will.
And he gives you three things, five things, six things that it will do.
Are you ready?
Establish a national ID card.
Number two, establish a federally coordinated database of personal information on American citizens with Canada and Mexico or Pan-American ID card.
Use the national ID to track American citizens when traveling outside the U.S.
and within the United States.
Four, redefine terrorism.
Now listen carefully.
Hold on to your hats.
Strap yourselves in.
Number four, redefine terrorism.
In broad new terms, that could include members of firearms, rights, and anti-abortion groups, or other such groups as determined by whoever is in power at the time.
Authorize the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security to unilaterally expand the information included in driver's license, including such biometric information as retina scans and DNA information.
That's right, it's in there.
You want to get a driver's license, you've got to give a tissue swab from your cheek.
We're going to have your biometric, uh, biological ID.
That's what we talked about yesterday.
And even radio frequency identification, RFIDs, tracking technology.
That's where I'm from.
Carry a driver's license with RFID and governmental officials will know you're whereabouts 24-7.
Incredibly, H.R.
418 does nothing to solve the growing threat to national security posed by people who are already in the U.S.
illegally.
Instead, H.R.
418 states what we already know.
That certain people here, illegally, are deportable, but it does nothing to mandate deportation.
H.R.
418 fails miserably on the most critical issue.
It's like the huge Homeland Security funding of last December.
Put money in for 2,000 more Border Patrol to sweeten the deal so people would go for it.
And then day one, I mean the day after they passed it, Ridge said, we're not going to fund that.
We're going to use that money on something else.
So they'll have these mega massive $100 million funding packages and then put a few hundred million into more Border Patrol and then just take it away.
Just take it away the next day.
And the national ID card they passed last year for federal standardization, now this bill gives you the details and the teeth of it.
Kind of like a shark, you know.
I mean, the teeth in the first one were really bad, but there's even bigger ones rolling forward.
About ten times larger.
Ten times worse.
So, you know, as the monster grows, it's got to have teeth to fit its mouth.
But it actually gave a waiver to all illegal aliens in the United States that states and private corporations are to accept consular matriculus, which are now issued, I keep saying 30, that was two years old, it's now 48, I saw the numbers this weekend, 48 countries are issuing them that our government is accepting.
Now, 800 plus cities and most of the states were already accepting it, but now the feds are saying, yes, this is acceptable.
And last year I had the leader of the Republican Senate in Colorado on, who's been valiantly fighting this, and his staff, in one day, got him four fake consular matriculas under four different names.
Got them for himself, just to demonstrate this, and they cost them $24 apiece.
So, We have less border patrol than we had before 9-11.
On the southern border alone, in Texas alone, the Texas border sector, than in the Houston Chronicle, Austin American Statesman.
We reported here, of course, before that, but then finally it was in the paper a couple years ago, that we lost over 2,000 border patrol in Texas alone.
Why?
Because they said, well, if you don't become an air marshal, you'll get $24,000 a year extra starting pay.
On top of what a Border Patrol agent would get.
And it's an easy job, just riding around on airplanes.
That's it.
Looking for suspicious activity, you know, busting people with drugs.
Would you rather do that or sit out there on the border all by yourself with Mexican troops shooting at you in order to walk around in the rattlesnake infested bush picking up trash?
That's your main job now.
So, old part of the new freedom.
And so the $2,000 they were going to put in for the northern and southern border wouldn't even replace what we lost in Texas on our, what, 200-mile stretch of border here.
Wouldn't even replace that.
But the neocons are all over talk radio.
I've heard them going, we've got to pass this bill.
HR 418.
It's immigration reform.
Don't call Bush a liberal.
Why?
He might be for amnesty, but at least he's for controlling it.
No, he's not.
It's all window dressing.
You know, I remember hearing the chief neocon on talk radio as I drove down the road the day after they passed the national ID card in December.
And he actually said, we have won a great victory, we've defeated the stupid liberals, they were against it, but Bush got it.
That's just not true!
More Democrats voted for it than Republicans!
Out of the 60-something people in the House and, what was it, the 13 people in the Senate, almost all of them were Republicans.
People like Congressman Coon and Paul.
But it doesn't.
Look, these neocons know you don't look at voting records.
They know.
It's just they lie to you.
And the only reason they have credibility is because they point out the lies of the Democrats.
Well, that's easy to do.
It's like pointing out the lies of one tread of the tank, but not pointing out the lies of the other tread.
It's all part of the same system.
You know, two wings on a blackbird.
Now the bird points out one wing and says it's bad, and then you go along with the other wing.
How about we focus on the brain of this creature?
We're losing this country, folks.
We're losing this country because of the betrayal of the so-called conservatives.
And, uh, it's all for you.
It's all for Christians.
Christians are being arrested all over the country for praying on street corners.
The Democrats are out voting the Republicans for all that!
You're just as delusional, just as stupid!
Why don't you wake up?
We can still save this country!
But they're putting their control grid in and they're not going to move till the next big terror attack and it's going to be bad and the globalists are going to carry it out.
You're going to cling to the globalists who are your attackers, who are your abusers.
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all in blood in war and liberty for their descendants thank god for the renegades alright my friends the next 35 minutes we're joined by Linda Curtis and Jimmy Gardner now we've had Mr. Costello on who founded the Austin Toll Party and now these have spread across the country and
And no matter where you live, whether it's New York, or Illinois, or Florida, or California, or Nevada, New Mexico, wherever you live, massive toll roads are going in.
And in a nutshell, tolls were always put on a new road you'd build.
They'd be there for five, ten years.
When it was paid for, they were taken off.
That's totally reasonable.
A great way to not raise taxes, and hey, you want to use the road, do it!
That's free market!
That's founding father type stuff!
But under federal plans, all over the country, we're going to have 6,000 miles of toll roads here in Texas, with Rick Perry, the so-called conservative.
The whole nation has 7,000.
Under this federally manipulated plan, they will give almost all the existing state and local roads to private companies, this is corporate looting, and you will have a transponder in your car, Just like in Europe now, they're putting in the satellite boxes.
Arnold's calling for it in California.
They've just passed a law in Oregon.
New York's on the verge of passing a law.
And for the average family, it'll be $1,800 a year.
And the city doesn't even challenge that amount.
The numbers are probably higher.
And so, all of these major existing roads in Austin, paid for, you know, 50-year-old roads, in some cases older, are going to have huge toll roads on them.
And when the transponder also tracks and traces where you go and what you do.
And a few months ago in Illinois, I told you about this, folks, and now it's in the news.
They said, alright, toll roads all over the state, and if you don't take a transponder, we're going to have one lane that's still cash toll.
It will be double.
Double.
That's Chicago Tribune.
Chicago Sun-Times.
Double.
And people went and got their transponders by the millions.
Now that's coming to Austin, Texas.
And now city council people have gone public and admitted that, okay, it's all a fraud.
I mean, I've got it right here in the paper.
They're writing editorials going, okay, you know, here's the documents.
We have plenty of money.
The state had plenty of money.
It's marked confidential.
We're not supposed to tell you.
They're starting to panic because of big recalls going.
Booster McCracken has scurried back to our camp.
The arrogant Mayor Will Wynne hasn't.
And then it's in the Statesman, DA Investigates, CT, RMA, allegations of bribery and fraud.
It's in the Oak Hill Gazette.
I mean, there's a bunch of people saying this.
And then there's obvious stuff like board members of different state boards.
The day, understand this, the day after they, you know, just classic stuff, pass the toll roads with this unelected board, then their family members get huge lucrative jobs for the private toll company.
Still, the day after.
It's amazing.
But just good old classic stuff's going on.
Jimmy Gardner, who I've known for about five years, was out there.
There's a picture of him in the paper.
It's on InfoWars.com in his little toll booth.
His little booth fighting the toll booths.
And he's there getting signatures to recall the mayor.
It's neck and neck.
And what he later learned was that one of the mayor's chief assistants waddles over and basically tells him, according to Jimmy, who I've known for years, never made any allegations like this before, and it's part of the course, and seen this before, other city people, and just says, I'll give you $200 to pack up and leave and to give me those signatures.
And we're about to break.
We'll come back with our guest.
But right now, let's bring up Jimmy Gardner.
Jimmy, in a nutshell, what happened?
unidentified
Well, I was out there collecting signatures from my petitions, and a gentleman came up to me, and he took exception to the information I was putting out, namely what was part of the toll road plan, what was not.
And we, you know, I'm trying not to argue with the guy because I'm a man on a mission there trying to get signatures for my petition.
You're out front the Whole Foods and book people down on 6th Street.
unidentified
Exactly.
A lot of people walking by, great place to get signatures.
And so this guy took exception and he said, look, I'll bet you that Mopac, which is our main commuter highway on the west side of the city, he said, I bet Mopac is not part of the plan.
I'll call one of the Campo board members on my cell phone right now and let you talk to her.
So I said, look, I'm not really interested in betting But Jimmy, we don't have a lot of time, so to make a long story short, that's how they ease you into it.
Then later, what did he finally say to you?
unidentified
Well, finally, when he realizes, you know, I don't want to bet him, don't really want to have much to do with him, he says, how many signatures do you have on your petitions there?
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And I said, oh, I probably got 10 on the table here.
And he said, tell you what I'll do.
You've seen the $200, because he'd already flashed the cash to me.
And he said, I'll give you $200 if you give me those petitions right there.
And if you pack up your table and go home right now.
We'll hear what happens when we get back and talk to Linda Curtis.
Stay with us, Jimmy.
We'll be right back.
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These compact cities were big, sprawling metropolitan areas, you know, in between huge masses of rural areas.
This is big.
I mean, our Chicago listeners know well about this.
Don't take the transponder, double the toll.
Toll roads going in everywhere.
You're fighting against that as well.
This is happening all over.
And so, we have this pattern, though, of just alleged bribery here, alleged bribery there, payoffs here, payoffs there.
And then somebody I know, talk about small world, He's just out there in front of uh... I know Jimmy for months has been out doing this.
Jimmy's out there on his own time getting signatures as he believes in freedom and here comes this person walking over to him in front of all these witnesses doing this.
Uh... let's go now and we'll bring Jimmy back up uh... but first and we'll finish up the story of the uh... what he's saying he's alleging and I believe him uh... this attempted bribery.
He's been to the DA's office and the rest of it and again it's in the paper it's on InfoWars.com.
Let's go to Linda Curtis Who's the coordinator for the petition drive for the Austin Poll Party.
Why don't you fire out the website and how folks in Central Texas can get involved, even if you're not an Austin voter, and the hurdle you're up against.
I mean, this is sudden death overtime, neck and neck, to get enough of these signatures.
unidentified
Yes, and it doesn't help to get interference from the powers that be.
So here's what people can do around the country and world that are listening to the show.
You can go to our website austintollparty.com and make a financial contribution of whatever you can.
You can also, no matter where you live, including of course Central Texas, you can go to the website, send all your friends to the website, and download the petition and get your friends that are registered voters in Austin to sign it.
And then bring it, if you're here in Central Texas, bring it to the CAMPO meeting this Monday night.
We're calling this the Valentine's Day Massacre of the Texas Toll Plan.
The showdown is coming this Monday night starting at 6 p.m.
The CAMPO is meeting and they're going to have to answer questions put to them by some of the people that we've actually been trying to recall.
Brewster McCracken has been now asking the right questions he should have asked at the get-go.
You were telling me last night it's around 35,000.
unidentified
Yeah, we're overloaded with processing here at the office.
So those people who live in the area, if you want to help out any time during the day or evening, we're open here.
Come on in and we can use your help.
We're down at UT right now petitioning as well, so those students that are listening or folks that are in the UT area, we need lots of help down at UT.
And folks around the country, in California or Illinois or Florida, wherever this is happening, duplicate what the Austin Poll Party is doing.
I mean, this is a national fight.
This is serious.
Okay, they're now announcing you're going to have to have a transponder in your car that automatically detects your account as you drive through different taxing authorities.
This is the plan.
You want to fight this, or do you want to suck your thumb and let this happen?
Now, I want to get back into what's happened.
Try to condense it for us, Lyndon.
I want to go back to my good buddy, Jimmy, and let him finish the story of where he's talking about this attempted bribery that he's alleging.
And there were witnesses there that saw this guy talking to him.
That's now admitted that he was talking to him.
Just basically what the toll roads are and what they've been trying to do.
unidentified
There's seven toll roads that we found out initially about.
We meaning a guy named Sal Costello.
Sal's just a regular guy here in Austin.
He finds out about this bridge that's being proposed in his neighborhood.
Well, McCracken wrote an editorial on January 31st.
It's smart to question the toll road numbers, and he admits this, quote, TxDOT confidential marked documents, marked secret, that say we got plenty of money.
unidentified
Right.
Now, if the hearing on Monday TxDOT has now been ordered to come with clear answers to the questions that both McCracken and Thomas now, Danny Thomas, one of the council members we've been recalling, Danny's now starting to realize that he was told maybe not the truth.
Of course, McCracken voted to give up city authority for this non-elected state board, and now he's flip-flopped and is out fighting it, but not arrogant will win the twit mayor.
unidentified
Right.
Will Wynn is now, I think, his office is covering for this gentleman that works in the office who's been going around harassing people and trying to stop our petition drivers.
Well, we're talking about, what, 1.3 billion just in the first few years.
1.3 billion, here in the paper it says, just in profits for these people.
I mean, that's just Austin, folks.
The whole state's having this put in.
And, Linda, before we go back to Jimmy, they've said in Washington, they've said all over, Austin is the test.
If they can do this here, toll roads all over the major roads to get anywhere in the town, that if Austin falls, You know, if Midas Tirith falls, the forces of Mordor are going to be able to win all over the place.
And I talked about that on TV last night with you, and you seconded that that's the info you've got.
Jimmy, you're there, this guy comes up, starts flashing $200 bills, going, hey, I bet you you're wrong, I bet you.
Puts you on the phone with a Campo board member, they go, well, actually, probably is going to be a toll road on Mopac.
Well, and then finally he just comes to the point, repeat what he said to you with these $200 bills in his hand.
unidentified
Well, he said, You know, he asked me how many signatures I had.
I said, I got about 10.
He said, why don't you give me those petitions right there, pack your table up, go home, and I'll give you $200.
And I was momentarily shocked at something like that.
And so I hesitated.
I said, look, I don't want your money.
All you're trying to do is disrupt things out here.
I said, the problem, at that point, I knew he'd crossed the line.
So I got a little cocky with him and I said, Hey, the problem with you political types is that you're used to walking around with a stack of bills and paying people off to have people do your bidding.
I'm not for sale, buddy.
And I figured that would shut him down, but he continued for like another 10 or 15 minutes after that.
Now the mayor's office now admits that he quote did talk to you and that you know he was talking to you because there were witnesses and reporters and people around but what's their spin on this?
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Well they had to admit that he was out there because there's hundreds of people that walk by in the three or four hours that I was out there so they knew that they couldn't lie about that and so they said yeah he was indeed out there on his own lunch hour which was you know 2.30 in the afternoon and But, it was, they called it a publicity stunt on the part of our organization, which of course is not true.
Although, we have gotten quite a bit of publicity out of this.
And we put it on TV, put it on the web, and I was there, and we catch the guy paying the money out right outside the chambers of two people that had just testified, and the House Ethics Board said it was illegal.
But then the paper actually said, it's just for publicity, Mr. Jones.
Why did you videotape this?
I said, because it's bribery.
They said, but the men were black being paid off.
Would you have done this if they would have been black?
I was like, what a red herring!
You know, this is what they do.
You know, it's classic.
On the Fox News piece locally, you said, well, there was a reporter there that saw this.
So they go to another reporter and go, was it you?
And she goes, no, it was another station reporter.
And then, as if that muddies the water, just this confusion.
It's like Popular Mechanics with this 9-11 hit piece that's coming out.
You know, they go, they call me up and they go, Mr. Jones, uh, well, I'll talk about it later, but the point is, they go, Mr. Jones, we called these people that you say you interviewed, uh, about seismographs showing explosions in the towers, and they said, you never interviewed them.
And I went and looked on the web and I said, we posted an American Free Press article.
It says the author in the newspaper.
I post hundreds of things every week on my site.
You know.
I go, did you call and say, were you interviewed by this newspaper?
Uh, no, we didn't do that.
So that's the weird type of things they do to try to fog things up.
And they know the general public is so dumbed down they don't even get it.
But you could have even caught this on video and they would have been.
Okay, somebody is muffling a phone to talk to somebody.
I know Linda is there at the Austin Toll Party command base going over all this.
Now, Linda, how do you think this is going to affect things in the next two weeks before you know you have enough signatures?
You've got to have at least 10,000 more than the actual number because they're going to try to throw out a lot.
What's the process?
How do you think this will affect it?
Because again, I've got other newspaper articles about other people saying that folks have tried to bribe them.
Not this individual, but other people.
And the DA, quote, is investigating.
I don't really have any faith in that, but how do you see this playing out?
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Who knows?
Here's the thing, and this goes back to everything that, every kind of decision in this country depends on one thing that I think a lot of people are blocking on.
Whatever gets decided is by virtue of what the people demand or don't demand.
And the reason why we're in this position in the first place is we've got 8% of the people here voting in city elections.
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And a real lack of participation.
And that's not to blame people.
I understand they're cynical and they have good reason to be cynical.
But you know what?
We've got to open up, clean up this process and make it work for us or they're going to decide for us.
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Well, you've probably seen the shows on Bonanza, the old westerns, where, quote, it's a bad town.
They make you pay a toll to get through the pass, and the bad sheriff and the local fat cat feed on the public and steal people's property.
Those are all based on true stories.
I'm kind of a history buff, especially on Western history in the last 150, 160, 170 years.
And those were all real cases that then got written about and turned into fictional accounts for television.
And basically, that's what happens.
That's what tyranny is.
Government goes bad, corrupt people that want to feed off the public, get into control, and they get arrogant, and they get out of control, and things get bad.
And the toll roads are a nightmare, and it's just all part of the system.
And, you know, Jimmy and Folks like him are just standing up to the corrupt sheriff, standing up to the corrupt local viceroys, and saying no.
So, Jimmy Gardner, and of course Linda Curtis, I want to commend both of you.
And last time on the TV show, Jimmy, you challenged the mayor's aide.
You said, hey buddy, let's both take a lie detector test.
You want to challenge him again?
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Yeah, I'll put it out to you.
Matt Curtis, or Mack Curtis, as you introduced yourself to me.
If you want to take a lie detector and make it public, I'll be glad to do the same thing.
Well, I think this is going to hurt them bad, but the whole process from the state to the federal and local level is just riddled with stuff that mirrors this.
And, Jimmy, I want to thank you for coming on, and we'll have you guys back on for a plug on Monday if we're able to.
Linda, final comments?
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Just that this is part of a long-term effort.
We all need to understand this is just one battle in the long-term war against The corruption of our very system itself and the people need to get involved and take back the system, make it work for us.
You know, Jimmy's doing a lot sticking his neck out here, going public up against these people.
All of us need to stand with him and not let him get away with this.
We're very close.
So go get some of the petitions off the website.
Go get them signed and show up Monday and get them notarized there at the LBJ Presidential Library and Museum.
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The end of the second hour, talking about the national toll roads going in.
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Tracker chipped and taxed and watched to the tune of thousands of dollars a year.
And all of the allegations from just many different quarters of bribery and fraud going on by the state and locals involved.
Amazing interviews in the last hour.
We've got a guest coming up to talk about, well, impending World War III.
How the good old globalists want to go into Iran and what that could trigger.
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And then in the third hour, oppose H.R.
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Establish a federally coordinated database of personal information on American citizens within Canada and Mexico.
Use the national ID card to track American citizens when traveling outside the U.S.
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Five, authorize the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security to unilaterally expand the information included in the driver's license, including such biometric information as retina scans and DNA information, forced DNA testing, when you get your driver's license.
And even radio frequency identification tracker chips in your driver's license.
Ron Paul went on to state that this does nothing to stop illegal aliens, but it's being sold to the public as that when it's a fraud.
And he went on to say carrying a driver's license with RFID and government officials will know your whereabouts 24-7.
And he goes on, incredibly, H.R.
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It's like they pass money for more Border Patrol, and Ridge says, we're not going to fund that, we're taking that money for something else.
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You know, why does the empire that wants to project itself outwards want so much control here domestically?
Well, that's so we can't struggle as we're used as the cannon fodder both to be taxed to fund these wars and to, of course, the draft that's coming up, that'll be the good little slaves for these wars.
And we've been having a lot of insiders, a lot of admirals, judge-advocate generals, you know, the father of Reaganomics.
We've been having congressmen, senators, mainly conservatives, on this broadcast to expose the neocons and expose the agenda that could lead us into World War 3.
Woolsey calls it World War 4.
He thinks Cold War was World War 3.
It's a powder keg with Iran and we're just inches away from Israel attacking them and then things just going downhill from there.
To talk about the geopolitical stratagem behind this and to predict where things are going He's the author of American Oil Wars, Steve Pelletier, and he's retired after a long and rich career with the CIA and then the Army War College, and he's a PhD in political science and after a stint in journalism covering the Middle East, he became the CIA's senior analyst at
Langley, during the Iran-Iraq war, at the Army War College, he and others studied Iraq's victory over Iran in minute detail, and he has written a number of books on how that feat was managed.
He also has some inside info that we've gotten from Ray McGovern and others here on the broadcast about what really happened with the nerve gas that Saddam supposedly used.
We know our government gave them.
And, sir, it's great to have you on with us, Steve.
Try to give us a sketch, you know, for the novice out there of why you think these preemptive wars are being engaged in and what's the prime mover behind that and what's the prime mover behind that?
Well, first off, tell us a little bit about yourself.
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Well, you gave a rundown already.
I started my... I was originally a journalist and then I got a Ph.D.
in Political Science at Berkeley and then taught at one of the colleges for a while and then the CIA recruited me to be their Kurdish expert and then I just segued from that into being a Senior Political Analyst on Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War and then I left at the end of the war and went to the U.S.
Army War College Well, frankly, I was doing the same thing.
I was the Pentagon's Iraq expert.
And I kept up that for 12 years.
I've written four books, published four books on Iraq.
Now, before we get into what's really going on in Iraq, what you think about the situation with Iran, which you, again, were one of the chief analysts on for the CIA, before we get into that, are you familiar with the Naval War College, Golden Boy, Thomas Barnett?
Well, he's prancing around talking about basically invading the whole planet and saying we work for global corporations and the military is their tool.
I'm sure you're familiar with that whole school of thought right now that's coming out of the Pentagon.
war, war, war.
Uh huh.
Clearly our government helped put Saddam in, trained him in the 50s, even before he got into power in '79.
But let's just start with the Iran-Iraq war and the nerve gas.
Sorry for using the word nerve gas, but that's what I understand it to be.
I mean, certainly sarin would be more of a classical nerve gas, but I think it's... I mean, just please give us your view on that.
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Well, as you know, the claim of the Bush administration is that Saddam Hussein gassed his own people.
There's complications with that, because the only authenticated instance where Iraqis died, having been gassed, is this incident in Aleppo.
And immediately after that occurred, and this was in 1988, the U.S.
government investigated and the U.S.
government determined that Given the condition of the bodies of the dead Iraqis, it's likely that they were killed with a cyanide gas, and Iraq didn't use that gas, and as far as anyone knew, didn't have that gas.
No, no, after the study was conducted, the Army asked me to head up a study that would investigate how the Iraqis would fight a war against the United States.
I want to shift gears when we get back and talk about what you think the real strategic plans are and what you see happening, how you think Iran's going to play into all this when we get back.
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All right, we're talking to Steve Pelletier, and CIA's senior analyst at Lanely during the Iran-Iraq War.
Sir, what do you see happening in the future with Iran and others?
Because we've been having a lot of your contemporaries on the broadcast and they're saying that if Israel goes in and bombs their
nuclear reactor sites uh... that uh... that could trigger iran probably will trigger iran going into iraq and then uh... it's gonna be like custards last stand uh... do you think uh... there's any uh... merit to that no i don't i think that uh... the uh... israelis could bomb uh... the site uh... but i don't think the uh... iranians would do any more than the iraqis did when the israelis
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Bomb the site.
They would effectively absorb it.
The problem is not with raids from the air.
The problem is going in and occupying territory on the ground, and the United States can't do that anymore.
We can't attack into Iran and occupy territory because we haven't got the manpower.
The Israelis can bomb all they want, but I'm sure the Iranians will absorb it.
Really, a lot of other analysts have been saying that the Iranians have been saying they're going to go absolutely ape.
But you think they'll respond just like the Iraqis did in 1981?
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I think that essentially the Iranians have time on their hands.
I mean, they have got They hold, in my view, they hold a very strong card, and that is that no one can invade that country.
Before we invaded Iraq, the United States was able to pose as invincible, because everyone feared what would happen if the United States were to invade.
Well, we invaded Iraq, and now we're losing the war.
So how can we then I don't think the Iranians will spill into Iraq, because I think as a result of this last election, the Iranians have Iraq sewed up.
Um, day-to-day to the end of the year, I see just a progressive loss of control.
The only way we can get control in Iraq is by sending over many more troops, and we can't do that without reinstituting... Do you agree with Secretary White two and a half years ago when he said 400,000 troops minimum?
I think it's, uh, I would, you know, I think Shinseki said 300,000, so yeah, that's about right.
But now stuff's deteriorated so bad, it's like Vietnam.
I think you could keep... a lot of analysts say you keep injecting more troops, it's not going to help.
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Well, I think that if we were willing to inject enough troops, it would help.
Because I think the Iraqis are so desperate for some stability now, that once they perceive That, in fact, the United States was re-stabilizing the country.
I think they would swing over because... Well, that's what all the Pentagon analysts said.
You know, they talk about freedom, bringing freedom to Iraq, but...
The reports are most of the baths have been put back into control, they've had a lot of draconian things, arresting thousands of people at checkpoints because their papers aren't in order.
It seems to me that this policy has made enemies faster than they can be killed.
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Well, there's no question that we're making enemies, but I think one of the main reasons we're making enemies is because we don't have enough troops.
And as a consequence, we're relying on air power to try to control the country.
We bombed the living daylights out of Fallujah, we killed a lot of civilians, and that sort of thing doesn't make friends.
So, what do you think the Bush administration is going to do?
They've been sending out mixed signals.
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Really, the Bush administration, in my view, is so deceitful that it's impossible to To figure out what they're going to do because you can't trust anything they tell us.
That you, yeah, can't trust anything they tell us.
When we get back then I want to try to see where you think all this is going or if you have an idea for an exit strategy or what you think is going to happen.
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And we're talking to Professor, as you can call him, Dr. Pelletier.
And Steve, again, you were the chief analyst during the Iran-Iraq war for the CIA.
Knowing what you know about Iraq, and what we were just talking about with the deception of the Bush Administration, I mean, they said before they got into office, oh, we're not going to invade Iraq, we're not for foreign adventures, and he chastised Al Gore during debates about it, and it turns out we got their own documents.
They were planning before they even got into office to invade Iraq, and 9-11 was the pretext for that.
So, trying to gauge, I know they say something different every day, but trying to gauge their actions, what do you guess, you know, educated guess, is going to happen in Iraq in, let's say, the next 18 months?
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I would say that it's definite that the Bush Administration will not send the number of troops over there that we need to have over there to pacify the country.
I would say that if any of your listeners have loved ones in the National Guard or the Reserve that they should feel very sorry for them because these poor devils are not going to get out of there.
They've already had their Tourists extended and it would not surprise me if the Pentagon extended them again.
Uh, and now, if Rumsfeld were to, uh, agree to increase the army by 30,000 troops, it would be a mission that hasn't worked, and he's not going to do that.
By the way, I mean all the military studies I've read, because I've looked at it quite a bit, I mean they knew this in World War II.
22 missions, catch 22, and still about a third of the time you died.
Vietnam, no more than 11 months, that's all you can force somebody to be in combat, and even then you can fight them maybe one week out of the month, or they break down.
We're talking about sending troops, National Guard who weren't even trained, on search and destroy missions through heavily built up urban mount territory, five days out of the week, raiding dozens of homes a day.
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It's worse than that, because who are they fighting?
The Iraqis went to war with the Iranians in 1980, and they've been fighting ever since.
So we're sending, as you say, high school students over there to fight hardened killers, people who have never known anything but war.
And worse, it's not a... You know, the strength of the U.S.
Army and the military is the ability to stand off and kill from a distance.
What's our situation now?
These high school kids have got to go into these cities, down these twisty streets, not knowing what's around the next corner.
But sir, sir, I mean, they know, I mean, I, the published, you know, the military has studied how much you can use a soldier, and this is off the charts.
They know that this is going to ruin these people, and they know within just another six months, they're going to, almost all of them are going to fall apart.
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Well, I would suspect that that's true, but go talk to the Bush administration.
Yeah, well, it's, I mean, I've heard Michael Savage say put people in camps, put, I mean, it's just, it's just... No, I think your point is excellent about the high school kid.
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I was standing online at the post office the other day, and a mother was sending a package to her son who was in Iraq.
And he was asking her for pop-tarts.
He wanted pop-tarts.
That's what he wanted, and that's what he was sending.
And I thought, this is awfully pointed.
Here's a guy who may not come home.
Indeed, the odds against him coming home are desperately high.
And the poor son of a gun, all he wants is pop-tarts.
This type, high school kids fighting against Iraqis who have I haven't heard the first.
They're practically born with guns in their hands.
So how long is this going, so how long do you see until, because again, I mean, I've had so many other analysts on, They're saying the next two years is going to end up being like Vietnam with people hanging off helicopters.
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Well, I don't know if it will get there that fast, but I go back to what I said before.
And I guess you were big honcho there at the CIA on Iraq and Iran back in the 80s.
Sir, you told us our government really wasn't involved with Saddam, which I totally disagree with, because I've had a lot of people that were your colleagues on disagreeing with that.
But let me ask you a question on this.
Bin Laden, what's his connection to the CIA?
unidentified
Well, it's very out in the open.
In the 1970s, he worked with the CIA against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.
I want to talk to Dan in Texas and a couple of other callers that are holding for you, but really, give me the time frame from your expertise on Iran and Iraq and the current situation and all of it.
How long until we have the implosion in Iraq?
And what do you think the exit strategy is going to be?
Or will it just be keeping troops in forts so Bush can still declare victory?
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Well, the implosion has already taken place.
And now, effectively, as I say, we're hunkered down inside the green zone and we're trying to... I don't really know what we're trying to do.
We're trying to weather the storm.
But what we're banking on is beyond me.
But as far as giving it a date for when the house is going to cave in, I don't know.
I've interviewed reporters that are Arabs, but are Americans, but are with major magazines in this country, and they say, outside the green zone, they do not dare go five feet from their apartment, you know, to get a pizza without armed guards.
And so, is that why we're now hearing they may be backing off going into Iran?
unidentified
You know, these guys are crazy enough so that they might try to go into Iran, but If they were to go into Iran, then our difficulties would be compounded 100 times over.
Yeah, but somebody who follows the Trotskyite view, the New York Times, Lord Rove, Lord Rove told the New York Times that we control reality.
We're an empire now, and we'll change reality with an edict tomorrow, and then change it the next day.
So, does that show a megalomaniacal insanity to start saying they control reality?
unidentified
Well, no, I think it's a fairly shrewd assessment of the Bush administration's control over the media here in the United States, but that doesn't say anything about Iraq.
If we can't walk outside the green zone, then obviously we don't control reality outside the green zone.
And as a consequence, sooner or later, what goes on in the streets of Baghdad is going to finish us.
Dan in Texas, thanks for holding your on the air with our guest.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Yes, Alex.
Mr. Peltier, I would be most interested in hearing your political, geopolitical, analytical view Of the recent actions by China with the huge purchase of oil and gas in Iran, the recent relationship it struck up with Venezuela, and its efforts... And also their defense strategy with Russia.
I can relate to this oil very well.
My book, America's Oil Wars, goes into this quite deeply.
My theory is One of the reasons we went to war with Iraq was because Saddam Hussein was threatening our control over the oil of the Persian Gulf.
As you're aware, I'm talking to the listener now, Dan, it's becoming increasingly more and more difficult for countries to sew up supplies of oil.
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Uh, not only China is roving all over the world looking for oil, but so is India.
Suddenly, countries like Venezuela, which used to be, you know, third, fourth rate countries, now are, I won't say, well, their position is very much enhanced, because they have oil, people are coming to them, like the Chinese, looking for oil, and they therefore can thumb their nose at the United States.
You know, we've already once tried to overthrow the regime of Hugo Chavez, and we did it, Because we recognize we're losing control of Benzoyl and oil.
And my theory is we overthrew the regime of Saddam Hussein because we feared Saddam Hussein was not only going to deny us Iraq's oil, but the oil of the Persian Gulf.
Well, specifically, going back to the weekend before our election in November, when China made the deal with Iran, They also released a statement to the Bush administration not to get to thinking that the 21st century would belong exclusively to America.
They've got 40,000 engineers there at any one time!
unidentified
I think that what we're going to... I think what we have to accept is that no matter what the Bush administration says, the United States does not rule the world.
It's a multi-power world.
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From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
We're talking to Professor Dr. Steve Pelletier, and I want to get to, I know we've got a bunch of phone calls, but he's got to leave us here in a few minutes, so I'll try to go to Jim and Radkin and others here in a second.
But during the break, we were talking, sir, And again, you were a former CIA senior analyst at Langley during the Iran-Iraq War.
I brought it up during the break.
I said, well you said Bush would have to manufacture a terror attack if there was going to be a new one.
And I said, are you saying Bush is capable of manufacturing an attack?
Will you tell people what you said to me during the break?
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Well, I do think he's capable of manufacturing an attack.
I think this is one of the darndest administrations... I'm 73 years old.
And, I mean, I talk to them off air every other day, and they're going, oh, government terror attack, government terror attack.
And, I mean, that's what anybody would have a brain is seeing.
And, folks, they're going to kill this country using terror.
It's real simple.
Let's, unless we expose it, let's talk to Jim in Pennsylvania.
You're on the air.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Yes, good afternoon, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Peltier.
Yeah.
Mr. Peltier, this seems to be going the way of the human animalistic instincts.
But I was just wondering, out of curiosity, are our guardsmen being over there and all, do God bless them and God help them, I guess, but where are we going to get enough guardsmen Repeal the positions of the ones that are coming back.
And every time someone pulls out, we've got to send troops in.
And Afghanistan is still a mess, and who knows where else in this world, but by the same token, it's insanity.
I'll agree with that to a point.
I'm not a very well-educated person on military affairs especially, but by the same token as Mr. Jones stated, just common sense, the poopy's gonna hit the fan sooner or later.
Well, last hour, we had the former director, in the 1980s, of the CIA's entire analyst group, Dan, one of the chief advisors and professors of the Army War College, saying that there's a terror attack.
He expects it'll be the government carrying it out.
Are you starting to get it, folks?
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And, uh, that's why they're so arrogant.
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And they don't care if our troops are pinned down and dying and being overused.
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It just doesn't work.
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Uh, two years isn't enough.
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Why are they so arrogant?
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And Christians are being arrested for their political speech all over the country.
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And I mean, that's not negative to say that.
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The world isn't dictated by what we think.
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Well, that defies the laws of gravity, of science, of every action as an equal or greater reaction.
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All we can do is assess the serious trouble we're in in this crash landing and try to salvage something out of it.
We've been put into a global crisis so they can bring in their new world order so Europe and the UN can look like the bad cop after America has done failing in Iraq and causing, starting a war with Iran and police state here at home.
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Now that's how the chips fall, that's what we're facing.
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And we're very close to getting that done, and now there's reports in the newspaper of attempted bribery by city officials.
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Well, I tell you, it's prompted me to decide to start a petition in my own state here to kind of nip it in the bud before it even starts over here up in Utah.
But for those that just joined us, this is the London Guardian.
UK lines up Guantanamo-style torture reality show where seven Muslim men are being paid to let them torture them in a Guantanamo-style prison camp And this is all conditioning, folks.
All of these shows, all of this programming.
In fact, a few months ago, I did a TV show, you know, 10 minutes of the hour long program.
It's on personappointed.tv.
And I know Joe Rogan.
He knows about the New World Order.
He's contacted me when he comes to Austin.
He calls me up.
But, I mean, I told Joe, you know, your show, Fear Factor, is conditioning people, desensitizing them to all this stuff.
But, I mean, now they've taken all pretenses away.
It's just, yeah, we're going to have a show where we do torture.
Oh yeah, I'm familiar with how they gave people power and did a test and what like 70 plus percent of people would actually torture people to death in order to do so.
Basically what they did was they took two volunteers, two groups, just like this story you're reading today.
Some were made guards, the other were made prisoners.
And the people that were made the guard just assumed such dictatorial power that, you know, these people were bailing out the ones that were the prisoners within 24 hours because the treatment to them was just so bad that the people just totally went torture crazy.
All over the country, England's doing big studies, quote, in torture.
How do people fight back against torture?
How did our troops in Vietnam not break under torture?
They're finding the secrets to breaking people in torture in all these big British and U.S.
studies that are going on right now.
Very unethical, being paid for by our governments.
Uh, so, uh, and then they, again, they got Threat Matrix 24, uh, CSI Miami, on all these shows.
People are getting chips under their skin, they're being tortured, they're being tortured to death, and then a show called Spooks in England, we, we, we put the transcript of the show up on one of their episodes, they torture the terrorist's eight-year-old daughter, and then they're gonna kill her to stop the terrorist.
And the moral of the story is, torturing children is good.
Thanks for the call.
It's just a mass warping of the mind.
And then, as well, it's to stop terrorists.
But you just heard, during the last hour, the Chief Analyst of the CIA, in the 1980s, tell you that he thinks that if there's another terror attack, it's going to be the U.S.
government doing it.
Chief Analyst, for eight years, for Reagan, at the CIA.
And we've had the Chief Liaison, his Chief Personal Advisor, Ray McGovern on talking about similar stuff.
These are people, I was talking to the professor during the break, he goes, well I consider myself to be a conservative.
And I talk to, I mean folks, I talk to admirals, I talk to generals, I mean you've heard them on air, but I talk to them off air.
And why they're calling me, I have no idea.
And I mean, these are people who just got out, or currently in, or... I mean, some of these are pretty young people, 55, 60 years old.
They're saying this.
I mean, folks, if you've got a brain in your head... It's like Hitler's General Staff, you know, who'd gone along with it for a while, but now they're just going, man, this guy's completely insane!
Once he, you know, really got the death farms cooking, you know, in the early 1940s.
He started slow.
A lot of people are going, man, what is going on?
This is crazy.
But again, the mindless, drooling yuppies just think it's funny.
They'll laugh at you.
Wait until your kids get drafted.
Just wait.
And when your son or daughter comes back with their arms or legs blown off and they're not getting treatment, you'll be calling going, Alex, you know, this couple of years from now, we're even on the air then, Alex, I used to laugh at you, but you're right, my little boy, they won't know, you know.
And it's just, you might as well wake up now and stand with America.
They're dismantling this country.
Every Bill Clinton program to attack free speech, Bush is expanding it.
Remember Butch Reno going after pro-life demonstrators?
Ooh, she's so bad that she was!
Now they arrest him and give him 47 years in prison!
I mean, everything Clinton did, it's worse!
But you listen to a neocon on the radio, you'll never know it!
You'll never know it!
And a lot of the deception's real simple.
It's basically, we need the National ID card, the liberals are against it!
Call Congress, say you're for it!
And then you look at the vote, the Democrats vote for it, and the only people who voted against it were Republicans.
And maybe one Democrat.
In the Senate, and maybe, I don't know, 10 or 15 in the House, but both of them were Republicans.
So see, it's very sophomoric, it's like raw, raw football team mentality.
They're getting, just, it's just getting ridiculous.
And, uh, I don't know.
Radkin in Vermont.
Radkin, go ahead.
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Oh, thank you very much, Alex.
You're so awesome.
I listen with bated breath as you question people and then the pregnant pauses when their answer is off the wall, like when he said, speaking of the CIA fellow Pelletier you just interviewed, and I wanted to ask him, But what I was saying is when he answered the question about, or pro-offered that Osama was behind 9-1-1, I mean, I could hear you fall off your chair almost.
Well, it took me years to wake up to the point I'm at.
I mean, you know, these guys are having moral struggles right now.
I want to talk to these people off air.
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I wanted to ask him how he felt safe to talk in the light of John O'Neill, who had leaked W1999I to Craig Pallas, and then Then was killed or maybe dead already.
And apparently he was one of twenty-five flag officers back in ninety-five that was going to charge Clinton with treason for having leaked... Yeah, and then witnesses would say men would walk in in military uniforms, gunshots, they'd walk in, oh, the people committed suicide, oh, they drowned in their canoes.
unidentified
Yeah, they said he fell out of a canoe in the Potomac.
Yeah, they've killed, now it's like 50-something microbiologists.
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I didn't know if, the reception up here on shortwave is a little rough sometimes, but I didn't know if the biochemist had come up in your conversation.
Hey, uh, I was in a major supermarket last Friday, and this mother had a boy there about a year and a half, and another one about three, and she said to these two children, which were in one of those carts that looks like an automobile, get the rifle, get the rifle!
And then she starts saying, shoot, shoot, shoot!
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Finishing up what you were saying, Emmett.
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Yes.
Well, that Stamps Quartet they sing, Once my day was gloomy as I traveled along, Then I joined their Christian band, Now my day grows brighter as I travel on.
And every day keeps getting brighter as I travel along.
Well, I mean, Israel, they're admittedly trying to build a pipeline into Israel to give them oil, and I wasn't familiar with them, and I know Israel gets a lot of money, so does Egypt, but I haven't heard the details, so I really can't comment.
He's an Indian or Native American rights activist.
He's pretty aggressive.
And I've seen him do interviews with my friends here locally on TV.
He kind of gets in their face, which is fine.
And I agree with some of what he has to say.
I mean, I think what happened to the Native Americans is wrong.
But when he came out and said, Al-Qaeda attacked us because we're bad to indigenous people, he just plays into their plan.
Al-Qaeda is CIA, you stupid punk!
And the people that died in those towers didn't deserve what happened to them!
You little weasel!
And try to get in my face, Ward Churchill!
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You'll have a big problem, you punk!
Alright, go ahead.
You're something else, man.
You know, I want you to think about something for a minute.
I don't know if this is a connection or not, and it may be just a coincidence, but think about one of the last times the United States was duped into a major war.
It was done In part, by a guy named Winston Churchill.
I mean, that was an English name, and somewhere down the line, you know, one of the Native Americans he's related to took the name of Churchill.
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I personally think what he's trying to do, and this is just my opinion, I believe Ward Churchill is trying to create a race war.
I just drove by CU, coming back home from my workout, and I gotta tell you, man, these All these socialists, well I don't know if you want to call them that, all these kids are just high-fiving everybody and all this stuff.
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We've had Congressman Ron Paul, our America's congressman on, I don't know, probably 50 times over the years, but I'm honored to have his press secretary, Jeff Dice, on with us, one of the busiest men in America, who really passionately has been fighting with the congressman, fighting against the expansion of the national ID card.
The first national ID card passed in December of last year was bad enough, and it was, quote, to stop illegal aliens, and of course it actually gave waivers to them, and started telling the states to accept their ID cards.
Made it easier, quote, for terrorists to attack us.
You can read Ron Paul's analysis of this at Infowars.com.
And he goes over the five things this does.
And it creates, really, a Pan-American ID card and more federal standardization.
Just talking to Jeff during the break, and he was giving me a rundown.
Jeff, good to have you on with us.
Tell us what we're facing.
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Well, what we're facing is, as usual, political doublespeak.
What we're facing is a Trojan horse that walks and talks and sounds like immigration control, but in reality just applies mostly to U.S.
citizens, and the bad guys won't pay any heed to it at all.
He talks about how, you know, it's got, you know, this comment about, you know, illegal aliens, but no enforcement.
And when they passed, say, more border patrol than the last bill, then the Secretary of Homeland Security takes that money out.
And you were telling me during the break that Christian groups are out pushing this, that a lot of conservative groups have really bought this bait hook, line, and sinker.
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Well, unfortunately, yes.
You know, on the Hill we see a lot of the different groups Yeah, the White House wants total amnesty and they've said it.
their letters, et cetera.
But, I mean, everyone should be aware this bill has nothing to do with the borders.
It has nothing to do with that.
It does not create any new border agents, et cetera.
I mean, that stuff has all been nixed by the administration, even when Congress passes it.
Well, I heard a top neocon on the radio this morning saying, the Democrats are going to be mad first Bush cuts the budget, actually expands it, but double think, and now he's going to stop the illegal aliens.
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Yeah, well, he's not going to do that and no one's even pretending.
This bill unfortunately has duped a lot of people on the right, a lot of Christian conservatives, Because of the rhetoric.
I mean, as you know, how many people really have the time or the inclination to know what's going on and read bills and know what's going on in the House floor from day to day amongst voters?
It's pretty tough to keep up with.
So they just tend to see what they do see is the rhetoric that comes out of the two parties.
Redefine terrorism in broad new terms that include members of firearms rights and anti-abortion groups or other such groups as determined by whoever is in power.
5.
Authorize the Secretary of Defense of Homeland Security to unilaterally expand the information included in the driver's license including such biometric information as retina scans and DNA information.
Right.
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Well, what it all boils down to is, no matter what anybody says, the effect of all of this is to make it a lot easier for the government to know where you are, where you're going, where you've been.
And you have to step back and ask yourself, apart from the rhetoric, and look at the reality, is this a good thing or a bad thing?
And I think anybody who cares about freedom agrees It's a very bad thing, and it's the hallmark.
Domestic travel restrictions are a hallmark of authoritarianism.
You find that historically in authoritarian countries, not quote-unquote free ones.
And it's, once again, it's Congress cowering to an administration and giving all sorts of power to the Homeland Security Secretary to do whatever he thinks is best at the time without the requirement that any new laws be passed.
So that's the kind of thing my boss is always afraid of, that Congress should never give this open-ended, unilateral power to administrative agencies.
Like Homeland Security to make decisions that Congress doesn't even vote on, doesn't even approve one way or the other.
I mean, you know, for all those Republican types out there, just remember, you know, that Republicans won't be in charge of the administration forever.
You know, Hillary might be President in 08, and she can name whoever she wants as Homeland Security.
Yeah, so even if folks are delusional and think Bush is this wonderful conservative, we're building mechanisms that are a dream for Socialist Democrats.
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Unquestionably, and if anyone accuses you or anyone else of crying wolf or being alarmist on this, You know what, it's a lot better to be Crying Wolf than to be proven 10 or 20 or 30 years later that you were right.
But I mean, forget 10 or 20 years with the TSA, which this system's going to go into buses and cars and all other types of licenses and jobs.
I've got Ridge on videotape saying it's going to be just like the airplanes, and if you've got some bad data out of these hundreds and now they're saying thousands of different databases, a lot of it corrupted, you're not going to be able to have a job!
I mean, this is total control!
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Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And it all takes place within the coming two years.
States have two years to quote unquote conform.
And while you'd think that in any sort of free country, states would be clamoring and very defiant about this federal mandate, this federal authority over them.
States ought to be saying, hey, we set the standards for diversification, that's none of your business.
Well, on top of it, Ron Paul here in his analysis says it doesn't do anything to stop the illegals, but it's being billed as that.
unidentified
Right, and that's unfortunately the way things work up here.
Things are often the opposite of what they appear, or what they seem, or how they're touted.
But, you know, it's incumbent on all of us.
I mean, sure, it's a tough road, but it's incumbent on all of us to call a spade a spade, and to the extent we can, shine a spotlight on these people who vote for it.
It's amazing, I mean, the new Freedom Initiative, I mean, we know they passed it last year, now the Congressman in your office is fighting the funding of that.
How's that going?
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We're getting some steam on that.
We're actually pretty happy because a lot of mainstream Republicans actually joined us, have joined us in our efforts.
Some of the states where these nascent state programs have been created, most notably Texas and Illinois, we've been able to get a lot of members of Congress from both those states, including people like DeLay and Hastert, who are obviously big names, to join us in coming out against the program, because if you talk to parents in states where these programs exist already, they hate it, and they make their congressmen aware of that.
That's a fight where we've really gotten out ahead of the curve and for once we're fighting the creation of something rather than trying to get rid of something that's already created.
I mean, imagine if Bill Clinton said, we're going to forcibly, psychologically test everybody from age 4 to 18, and then second phase, all pregnant women, with guidelines written by the drug companies.
Conservatives would pull their hair out.
Bush doesn't.
The neocons won't talk about it.
They say it's good, unless you're a G. Gordon Liddy, who, God bless him, came out against it, and then they told him, hey, your radio show's gone.
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Well, that's why partisanship is just an aftermath of freedom.
You know, there's no other way to say it.
If people don't have the simple integrity to see through what, you know, supposedly their guys are doing as opposed to the other side's guys, then that might go a long way to explaining the mess we're in.
Well, I mean, I think the governorship, I mean, the Senate would be a big deal, too, because you could really block things and bring things up in the Senate, but, I mean, just, and obviously a governor doesn't have a lot of power in Texas, the lieutenant governor really hasn't, but as a figurehead, he could, I mean, Ron Paul could do so much in the second most populous state economically, the second most powerful as well, I mean, he could do a lot here and then use that governorship as a platform for something larger!
Getting out ahead of something, and then I'm going to let you go here in a minute, because I know you're very busy, Jeff Dice.
Again, the press secretary for Congress, Ron Paul, America's congressman.
And that's my term for him.
He's got the best voting record out there, bar none.
How do we fight these national toll roads that the feds are manipulating the states to put in, And of course, you know, the nightmare in Houston and Austin and all the corruption there with the toll roads.
Any comments from Washington on that?
unidentified
Well, the number one battle is to You know, prevent this idea that all road funding has to be federal.
You know, states have long ago just sort of shrugged their shoulders and relinquished control to the feds when it comes to road money and they're all addicted to this transportation money.
We send a dollar to them and thirty cents comes back.
unidentified
Absolutely, and especially a state like Texas that's upside down on the equation, unlike, you know, a welfare client like D.C.
that gets a lot more than it pays.
So, you know, you've got to reject the governmental solutions and start promoting things like private roads and private property and don't let governments just feel like they can pave a big swath from Mexico to Canada across our country.
In the final equation, HR 418, still call your House members, but go ahead and start calling the Senate.
We don't have an opinion companion bill number yet, but it's going to the Senate.
We could defeat this beefing up of the national ID card there.
unidentified
And the final vote on the House side on this bill will likely not be until tomorrow, so there's still some time to make a phone call to your House people.
He is just working tirelessly with the Congressman to fight all of this.
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I mean, folks, we're facing serious tyranny already.
And it's just going to get worse until we expose who the terrorists are.
And it's already happening.
People all over are realizing what's happening.
You heard the former top CIA analyst saying the government's probably going to be behind a terror attack in America in the last hour.
I mean, people are finally starting to come out of the woodwork and come out of the shadows to expose this.
Alright, I'm sure you know that a car bomb exploded in Madrid.
A car bomb has exploded here in the Madrid Conference Center, injuring at least 31 people.
We covered this in the first hour, but it's important to recap it.
Before a royal visit, Spanish police say a caller claimed to be from the Basque militants.
ETA told a newspaper the group was planning to explode a device in the city.
The blast occurred at 8.30 GMT near the Juan Carlos Convention Center.
So about three in the morning here, on the proposed venues for Madrid's 2012 Olympic bid, Spanish King Juan Carlos and Queen Sophie have been due to visit the center.
This continual tribal warfare going on between the Basque and the Spanish, just like we got tribal warfare between the Palestinians and Israelis, it's never going to stop, no matter what we do.
I guess until one group just disappears.
World Cup 2006 abuse for mega surveillance project is out of the register.
Germany's football authorities have been accused of big brother tactics over their decision to incorporate RFID chips into tickets for World Cup 2006.
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You must also supply your ID or passport number and your birthday.
Wow!
Assuming you're successful, you receive a fully personalized ticket containing your RFID chip that enables authorities to check the ticket against your passport.
Very little identification resides on the chip.
The identity check is conducted against a database of the German Football Association.
And that's going to be life here in America.
You try to go to Disney World or Sea World, they hand scan you all over the country.
But the borders are wide open.
Interesting article here out of USA Today, how Hollywood is propagandizing for the military and the police state.
You might want to go read that.
And Bush said, it's uniquely American to hold three jobs and it's good that more Americans are having to work three jobs.
Yeah, it's good that people can't raise their children if the state and the television can't do that.
Very, very dangerous trend that we're facing.
A fifth state is on the verge of passing a law to limit Patriot Act.
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An unusual alliance of conservatives and liberal state lawmakers wants Congress to limit the federal government's eavesdropping.
And if they don't do it, the state may do it.
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