Alex Jones and guests Celerino Castillo III, Chico Brown, and Paul Joseph Watson assert that journalist Gary Webb was murdered by government agents rather than committing suicide on December 14, 2004. They cite alleged special forces maneuvers, undigested sleeping pills in Dr. David Kelly's case, and surveillance anomalies surrounding Princess Diana's death as proof of a systemic cover-up. The discussion claims high-level officials from the Bush and Clinton administrations orchestrated these silences to protect CIA drug trafficking operations, suggesting mainstream media complicity and a broader conspiracy involving a police state funded by the drug war. Ultimately, the segment argues that official narratives are designed to placate the public while shielding perpetrators from accountability. [Automatically generated summary]
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Oh, but conveniently the police say it was a suicide!
Well, since we learned of this yesterday morning, and the world learned of it yesterday morning, that he had been killed in his home the night before, the morning before, since we learned of this, I've talked to Selly Castillo, I have talked to Chico Brown, who was Free Ray Ricky Ross's
Well, one of his top business partners, Freeway Ricky Ross, the biggest drug dealer on the West Coast for the CIA.
And you see, I'm one of the few people that's interviewed Freeway Ricky Ross, not on this radio show, but for an upcoming film that I'm involved in, called American Drug War.
Well, last night the producer of the film called Freeway Ricky Ross, In the federal prison he's in, in the panhandle of Texas, up near good old Tulia, where he's not allowed to have interviews.
Even Texas Monthly has trouble getting in to see him.
And I've interviewed him over the phone before, from there, for the film.
And he learned from Kevin Booth, the producer of American Drug War.
That Gary had recently been telling him that he was on to new information concerning the CIA and drug trafficking.
And that men, he pulled up to his house and two men were up on his balcony, two special forces types, they jumped off the balcony and ran away.
He was being followed, he was being threatened.
But the police of course will say it is all suicide.
Just like Princess Diana says, they're going to kill me in the next few months, they've told me, in a fake automobile accident.
That's how they're going to kill me.
They killed my lover.
They murdered him.
Now they've said they're going to kill me.
Or, Dr. David Kelly, whistleblower, says if I don't shut up, they're going to kill me and I'll be found dead in the woods.
Told two different colleagues that that have gone public.
Mainstream news, but again, back of the paper.
We're not going to let the memory of Gary Webb go down in some type of shame like he committed suicide.
This is unbelievable.
But it's part of the course with what we've seen.
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So, the award-winning Pulitzer Prize winner, author of the best-selling book, Dark Alliance CIA Drugs series, dead of reported suicide, shot in the face with a shotgun.
Now, it was a little more obvious when people would commit suicide with two gunshots to the back of the head, which, it's kinda hard to get the rifle to the back of your head, and it's impossible, basically, to shoot yourself twice in the back of the head.
But, uh, we have now learned some new developments.
I have interviewed Ricky Ross, Freeway Ricky Ross, who was selling twenty-five million dollars worth of cocaine a day.
25 million dollars of cocaine a day in California distributing across the West.
Openly taking delivery from the Central Intelligence Agency.
And Gary Webb won the Pulitzer Prize Then the media, the establishment, tried to discredit him.
He was successful in disproving their claims.
He had just recently been able to disprove everything they were saying and had been vindicated.
And he had recently told Freeway Ricky Ross via telephone in his federal jail cell in North Texas That there were men up on his balcony when he pulled up at home, jumping off and running off.
That he was being followed.
That he was being threatened.
And then he supposedly shoots himself in the face with a shotgun.
He was moving.
He had movers coming to his house.
Was moving.
Had just had a divorce.
That's when the CIA likes to strike so they have the convenient narrative of the story.
And then he just shot himself in the face with a shotgun.
And again, I'll repeat it.
Just yesterday, big British newspapers, several of them, had the headlines with the British paramedics that came to the scene of Dr. David Kelly.
The former head of the biological weapons program at Porton Down, then the head British UN envoy to the inspectors saying that it wasn't true, Saddam couldn't hit England in 45 minutes notice with chemical or biological weapons, that there weren't any weapons of mass destruction.
He then told an American and a British colleague, they're going to kill me, I'm going to be found dead in the woods if I don't shut up.
And then he's found dead in the woods, With three undigested sleeping pills.
They wouldn't have killed him, by the way.
Would have taken dozens.
They're undigested.
Somebody put them down his throat.
Undigested.
Sitting in his belly.
Sitting in his stomach.
With almost no blood at the scene.
He supposedly died by slitting his own wrist.
And there's almost no blood at the scene.
And one of the local constables, when they were out looking for him, because he'd come up missing the night before, That morning, when they came upon the body from about a hundred yards, they described seeing men in black uniforms who look like military men.
You know, the short haircuts, muscular.
And then they walked off from the dead body, and the constable went up there and didn't chase them.
Obviously intimidated by them.
And then they called in the police, and oh, it's a suicide!
Men with shaved, short haircuts, standing around the body, No blood to speak of, the paramedics said.
Tells people they're going to kill me and put me in the woods.
I mean, what more do you need?
A videotape of them killing him?
Princess Diana, months before her death, says they're going to kill me.
They've told me.
Charles is going to kill me in a fake auto accident.
And then a few months later, when she's pregnant with the shopping mall tycoon's child, and the British royals weren't about to let her be pregnant by anybody who wasn't royal, much less an Arab.
Very upset about that.
Think of the scandal.
She thought she could just rebel and do whatever she wanted to get back at him.
Didn't work that way.
Her car, her Mercedes, gets stolen the week before.
And when it gets returned, all detailed and nice, no questions asked, her security detail just says, oh, it got returned, we'll just take it!
And then the cameras all turn off two minutes before the wreck, and then it plows into the pillar, the underground tunnel, and then they sit there for an hour!
The paramedics just sit there, and you see the Surveillance cameras and they turn back on, her legs moving and twitching and it looks like people are inside holding her down.
And she has a little problem.
And she gets loaded in the ambulance and they drive 25 miles an hour for another 45 minutes.
And she dies at the hospital.
Right as she gets there.
Oh no, she wasn't killed.
I mean, people can say, they're going to kill me.
They can specifically say how they're going to die.
And then when they're murdered, the authorities say, oh no, it was an accident, or it was a suicide.
This is unbelievable.
And the cowards in the media, and the cowardly police, and the cowardly medical examiners, they just go and rubber stamp it.
They've got a problem though, because the paramedics in the Kelly case are saying, no, this guy had been brought there.
We've seen what happens when people slip their wrist.
There's blood!
There's blood!
They got a problem with saying all the voice recorders and data recorders were destroyed at the World Trade Center site because firefighters are going public and saying it's all a fraud.
By the way, the FBI's threatened us.
They got a problem.
Some people got courage.
Some people speak up.
Some people get involved.
Some people have spinal cords and aren't jellyfish.
And I'm not going to stand here and let them besmirch the memory of people they killed, like Dr. Kelly and Gary Webb.
I'm not going to sit here and watch these heroes fall and then not give them their due.
Gary Webb deserves to be buried in Arlington Cemetery with a monument there for standing up and never backing down.
And I know they've got patriotic cemeteries in England.
Dr. David Kelly deserves to be buried there.
We're doing what's right.
I'm not going to sit here and let them claim they commit suicide when it's not true.
And again, I will never commit suicide.
I've never thought of committing suicide.
I would never want to commit suicide.
Nothing would happen in my life that would make me commit suicide.
So don't you, if they kill me, ever let the media say I committed suicide.
Federal transportation offices come out and say, oh yeah, we can remote control cars perfectly.
And why in the future we may even make it to where your cars are controlled as you drive down the road.
Or where there's little sensors on your car and if there's an emergency we can remote control and take control of your car.
That will keep you from running into other cars or any type of obstructions.
Covered that about a year ago when it came out, off the government's own website.
It's old technology, so the car, Diana's car, gets stolen a week before, gets brought back detailed, and her own security doesn't even Her own Royal Security just, oh, it was stolen!
It was returned!
Let's just put you in it!
And so, the driver gets in there and everybody describes it as the car just suddenly veers right into the 13th pillar.
In fact, it did it over 100 yards early.
It isn't like it just suddenly veered.
The car's driving and it just veers perfectly and stays in a perfect line and hits straight on dead center into that pylon.
Clearly it was remote controlled.
Then it turns out the driver was not on drugs, was not drunk, was not on pills.
Those toxicology reports are out public.
But boy, when did you ever hear of somebody in a car, wasn't stuck in the car, just the front of the car was smashed, When you ever heard of somebody, them just leaving somebody for an hour in the car?
There's the video of her legs flopping as they're leaning in over.
They're gonna kill me in a fake auto accident!
Charles is going to kill me soon!
He told me!
Oh, hmm, the police?
Oh no, he's not a suspect.
No, because you can't be a suspect.
He's your royal, isn't he?
No, royals never kill their families, never kill their wives.
They never smother the twins in the tower.
King Henry VIII didn't kill five of his wives and have their heads chopped off.
No, they never do that!
It never happens!
I don't know when it doesn't happen.
That's court intrigue.
No, it's impossible, it's ridiculous.
Royals do not have other royals killed when they're pregnant with Arabs' children.
I'm sure Prince Charles was happy, and he was just going to let a foreigner impregnate his wife.
And again, I'm not saying anything wrong with that.
I'm saying they weren't going to put up with that.
I talked to Kevin Booth last night, right before he was making the American Drug War film that I'm narrating and hosting.
Big production.
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Gonna be in production for another year.
And he was going to call, or get the call, his weekly call from Premier Ricky Ross in prison, where Gary Webb got a lot of his information.
And when he called him, he didn't know that Gary died, and that was all caught on tape.
We'll air that tomorrow, perhaps even in the third hour today, if Kevin's able to get back to his office and do it.
But he will be joining us in the next segment from the road.
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And we're going to be posting this on PrisonPlanet.com later this afternoon.
We definitely need our great listeners to make a transcript of this interview from this point on.
Kevin Booth is a documentary filmmaker.
He's been working for the last year on a film titled American Drug War.
And the website's americandrugwar.com.
The film will be coming out in about a year.
He's interviewed basically everybody under the sun concerning the history of the drug war, who really controls the drug trade.
And I am the narrator of the film and the host of it.
And I have been involved in some interviews with Ricky Ross, known as Freeway Ricky Ross, the biggest public drug dealer.
That is the biggest known drug dealer in West Coast history.
Upwards of, in some days, 25 million dollars worth of dealing going on.
Linked directly back to the CIA.
He was one of the main sources for Gary Webb, the Pulitzer Prize winning author of the book Dark Alliance CIA Drug Series in the San Jose Mercury News.
And then of course he then wrote the best-selling book Dark Alliance.
He was shotgunned in the face, something that the major newspapers aren't reporting, but I have this from direct sources in Sacramento, and some of Gary's best friends and associates.
It's just unbelievable.
He was shotgunned in the face, and then movers who were coming to the house found a note on the door saying, don't come in, call 911, call an ambulance.
Yesterday, Kevin called me, and again, we've interviewed Ricky in the past.
He said, Ricky's scheduled to call me tonight at 1030, because you can't call him at the federal prison he's in.
They've moved him there from Victorville, Florida.
Excuse me.
Scratch that.
From Victorville, Northern California.
From that prison in Northern California.
In Southern California.
And again, we'll scratch that out of the transcript.
We're trying to get all these facts together.
Victorville in Southern California.
To the panhandle of Texas, North Texas, where they do not let media in to interview Mr. Rauch.
So we've been doing it over the telephone.
Kevin Booth was able to get the call last night and had the unfortunate job of breaking the news to Freeway Ricky Ross that Gary Webb had died from gunshot wound to the head to the face in very questionable circumstances and now Kevin can reveal to us what Gary Webb via telephone had recently told Freeway Ricky Ross.
Well, people... I mean, in the Dark Alliance series and talking to Ricky, they had a go-between, but it was Contras directly selling him, and then the Contras flying back were all part of the CIA operation.
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Right, it was all these big cartels.
Like you said, he was in the Victorville prison right above Los Angeles there.
The last time he spoke to Gary, Which wasn't that long ago.
You know, he told me that Gary was still working on the story.
That this was the kind of thing that Gary was never going to give up on because Gary felt like he could just keep going with this forever and uncover more and more people and exposing more names.
But he did tell me that Gary knew he was being followed every time he drove somewhere.
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He said he knew it was government people.
Several times he came home to his apartment, a two-story apartment, late at night And a guy would come shimmying down like a drainage pipe, you know, off of his balcony.
And, you know, I could tell it wasn't a burglar.
I mean, it was obviously somebody probably in his apartment rummaging around looking at documents or looking at his computer.
It was described as kind of a special forces type, you know, really fast going down the pipe.
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yeah definitely and i mean it and it and it you know it's so i don't like their that the whole suicide angle of the story i mean it it's kind of like they they they did stuff to kind of freak him out to intimidate them to push him to actually being depressed but i mean everybody i've spoken to Ricky included said there's no way, you know, that this guy would have taken his life.
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And the New Development's Kevin Booth, again, who's been interviewing, talked to him last night.
I've interviewed him for the film as well.
Talking to Freeway Ricky Ross, who was the person who was supplied with CIA cocaine and the biggest known drug dealer in West Coast history.
Tens of millions of dollars a day going on for years and was absolutely untouchable, one of the major sources for the Dark Alliance piece.
Kevin broke the news to Freeway Ricky, Ricky Ross, last night.
Describe for us, Kevin, before we get back into the people that were rummaging through and up on his balcony and following Gary Webb around, according to Ricky Ross, how did Ricky take it when you described it to him?
I know we're going to be able to play that on the air, but you weren't at your office when I called you for this broadcast this morning, and so we're not going to be able to have that until tomorrow.
But, Kevin, describe that discussion for us.
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Oh, he took it really bad, you know, I mean, he thought of Ricky as a, I mean, he thought of him as like a godsend, and that, you know, this guy, Gary put his life on the line to expose this story, and that, you know, he just thought it was really depressing, it just really made him sad, and he said a lot of the guys there in jail We're familiar with the story, and a lot of people are going to be sad.
When he came out with that story, a lot of people in South Central just kind of had a wake-up call, and it just all rang so true to them.
One of the crazy parts of the story, too, is that, like I said, Ricky wasn't even aware of all this until he got put in prison and Gary Webb came out to try to to help him with his case.
And that's when all this evidence started becoming uncovered.
And it was just like with me working on this film about the drug war, it's just like one thing leads to another.
It just never ends.
So you talk to one person, they lead you to another.
And he just kept following this chain.
And the chain, just because he finished that one book, it just never stopped.
So my question to Ricky was like, well, the book is already out, everybody knows all this stuff, so why kill him now?
Was this just a revenge thing?
He said, absolutely not, because Gary was still hot on the trail and he was never going to give up on this thing.
He had just recently been vindicated that the establishment media had been trying to attack him with ham-fisted
Attacks, but it wasn't working and he had just as of late brought out a lot of new evidence He had been vindicated that was starting to come out in the news He was still on the trail that had been reported on now Sully Castillo is Joining us right now Kevin and he may not be aware of this new development when you talked to Ricky Ross last night for Sully
Please repeat what Ricky told you Gary told him about people at his apartment and about being followed.
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Yeah, he knew that he was being followed all the time and there are several instances where he would come home after working all day late at night and he would see a guy shimmy down like he had a drain pipe that went up to the balcony on the second floor apartment And these guys that were definitely not burglars would come shimmying down the pole really fast and just disappear.
And he was pretty confident that they were up there rummaging through documents looking at his computer.
I mean, I've been doing interviews before with you with Ricky and he only gets about 15 minutes and then the president cuts him off.
This is the only way we're allowed to interview him.
They don't really let the media in to interview him, and you've actually had to contact lawyers and have started proceedings concerning that because they're not supposed to be able to do that.
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Oh yeah, another part to the story I didn't know about was that, you know, after Chico and Ricky had gotten arrested that time, I guess there was some production company in New York that wanted to, uh, that was trying to buy the rights to do like a film about this.
And the DEA raided their office and confiscated everything.
Some big like film company in New York and definitely put an end to any thoughts that these guys were going to make a movie about this.
I don't know how to play it over the phone though.
You can figure it out.
We can get it over here and get it uploaded to the computer tonight.
Or put it on the web in high bandwidth and we can download it and stream it that way.
This needs to get out immediately for Gary.
Kevin, I want to bring up Selly Castile.
Now, Selly, again, was the top DEA agent.
He's been all over the big national TV shows, foreign television.
We've interviewed him many times.
He's come to Austin.
And show the pictures of the CIA drug dealers.
He shows us the connection to Latin America, how that coupled through to people like Freeway Ricky Ross, and the direct connection of the CIA and these conduits to people like Freeway Ricky Ross.
and the LAPD protecting Ricky Ross and other top drug dealers.
Shelly, was this a new development for you to learn that Kevin talked to Freeway Ricky and found out that he had told Freeway Ricky that he had men in his house and things?
I've heard something to that effect, but I wasn't very sure on it what actually did happen.
But my whole point to this issue is the fact that you've got to remember one thing.
Nobody's ever done a movie or a documentary on the Iran-Contra investigation, which involved the CIA involving drug trafficking.
Now, Gary Webb at one point pointed to the assets that were heavily involved, and I myself pointed to actually the CIA officials who were actually participating in loading and unloading and refueling the planes.
You gotta remember one thing, you know, I am not an individual who comes off from the left or from the right, but I was reared as a, um, as a very patriotic family.
You know, coming from a very patriotic family and, uh, you know, we all served our country and so forth.
And when I joined the DEA, I thought that by putting my life on the line that I would make a difference.
But it was there in Central America in my six years that I realized that we were the enemy.
We were sleeping with the, with the enemy.
We were, uh, involving drug trafficking and, When I tried to expose the whole issue, I remember Randy Capster, a CIA official, saying to me, you know, nobody's going to listen to you.
We've been doing this for years and nobody's going to ever, ever stop us.
He was absolutely right.
Nobody has stopped them from doing their drug trafficking worldwide.
I had a CIO, a patient by the name of Randy Capster, who was down there for close to seven, eight years, involving those covert operations.
And, you know, he was involved in training the dead squads and, you know, basically just about everything you can do covertly in Central America, he was involved in.
And I have about an hour long video that's just full of clips of you on national television going over much of this in years past and they're unable to even challenge you.
You've got to be worried a little bit about your safety, sir.
Well, you know, recently, I'll be honest with you, I've had some vehicles follow me around.
uh... trying to you know i could tell their government you know uh... because of my experiences and how they uh... when you approach them they turn their face and you know they're on the cell phone and but i've been under surveillance for quite a while now and uh... but you're not afraid you were a highly decorated sniper in vietnam exactly but my point is this you know i've i've i've since vietnam let's put it this way i've been on borrowed time so i make my uh...
Well, I got a call from Michael Rupert who eventually got his information right away after the incident.
He knew that there was a note that had been left and so forth.
and that he was planning to move that morning at the moors coming in.
And they found that note on the door, you know, allegedly that saying do not come in, you know, call 911 and call an ambulance.
I mean, why on earth, if you're going to commit suicide, would you like to, you know, bring an ambulance if you shoot yourself with a 12-gauge shotgun?
To be honest with you, I really think when we speak about government people, I speak about Felix Rodriguez and his goon squads that have been involved in all kinds of assassination attempts, whether it's foreign or domestic.
You know, Felix and his group are very well documented as train assassins.
Well, from the very get-go, you know, I was, you know, when I got into Guatemala City and my contractor, Robert Steele, said to me, you know, there's some funny things going on in Salvador and just don't step on anybody's toes.
You know don't don't report anything and you know everything comes to me and so forth and sure enough my source of information was a guy who did all the flight plans for the for the counterpilots that were heavily involved in drug trafficking and it was very well documented of money being seized in the US and drugs being seized in the US that came out of Belopongo.
There's no doubt about that and we ourselves refuel some of those planes and With the anticipation of being seized in the U.S.
The thing about it that vindicates Gary Webb was the fact that the Contra story, the final report, Higgs, a CIA official, admits that they were sleeping with the enemy, and that there was an agreement between the CIA and the State Department not reporting this incident.
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What's always interesting to me is for you to explain how like the whole supply chain of like how it got from Ilopongo all the way into the hands of Ricky Ross and how did Ricky Ross do this for years without even knowing who was really behind it just to show like the level of compartmentalization.
The colonel who was the head in Latin America back in 1998 for all counter-drug operations was caught shipping in masses of cocaine and heroin into New York.
And when I asked Barry McCaffrey about it, you know, he just literally turned red and couldn't talk, and the whole audience started clapping and laughing at him.
And, I mean, that's another example.
I mean, we've caught these people red-handed, Sully.
Well, you know, we have a CIO facial in Venezuela who shipped a thousand keys of cocaine without the approval of the DEA, and then he was arrested, and so forth.
So there are instances that are very well documented that our government was heavily involved in drug trafficking.
And there's no doubt about that.
I mean, the final report acknowledged the fact that it did happen, and they turned a blind eye to it.
Kevin Booth, anything else you want to add from the interview you taped last night?
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No, just, you know, I mean, how, you know, that I think Ricky was really sincere when he felt like a real loss with Gary's death, regardless.
Of how he died or whatever that is.
It was a loss to him that he felt Gary was like a godsend in his life and that he probably wouldn't even be alive right now if it wasn't for Gary exposing this story.
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Sully, we're about to break, but in the next hour with Chico, what are some of the things you want to get into?
And you know, I, for example, will do the old-fashioned, the old-school type of stuff.
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And they've been broken, which means they were inside the house.
And, you know, you go and you look at your computer and you look at your stuff, and there's some pictures that I've had thrown away, copies of them, that were taken, pictures of CIA officials that I had copied off.
Shelly Castillo, the senior DEA agent for Latin America, helped contribute to a lot of Gary Webb's Pulitzer Prize winning work exposing CIA drug trafficking, is here with us. helped contribute to a lot of Gary Webb's Pulitzer Prize Shelly Chico Brown, associate of the biggest drug dealer in West Coast history.
Who is in prison, who we interviewed last night via telephone.
We just gave you those revelations from the federal prison he's in in North Texas.
Again, Chico Brown, the associate of Freeway Ricky Ross.
Very Webb, shot in the face with a shotgun.
And he told Freeway Ricky Ross in a phone conversation that he would come home and men, obviously very highly trained, government types was his term, would shimmy down the drain pipe and run off.
And we were just talking to Selly.
He gets followed.
He's got people going into his house, taking photos.
He's got, of CIA officials he knows, was involved in drug trade.
Selly's come to town and gone over these documents publicly at public events and been on some of the local TV shows and been on this radio show.
It's an honor to have him.
Of course, he was a sniper in Vietnam, highly decorated.
And he said it, hey, he's on borrowed time, it's up to God.
And same here, we can't be cowards, we have to be men.
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We're going to go to break and go to Chico here in a few minutes, but can you talk about the mentality of your courage?
I mean, I wouldn't call it macho, Sally.
It's just you're an honorable veteran and, you know, veteran of the drug war, veteran of Vietnam.
You saw this happening.
Tell us why you do what you do and then describe for us the type of individuals, the sociopaths, that are becoming wealthy off this.
Basically, you know, I, I, I, the way I was raised was, you know, you would thought what was right, what was wrong.
And basically I've, I've always stood by that and, uh, was always doing the right thing, whether, whether, you know, I felt about, you know, good about it or not that, you know, I had to do the right thing.
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And we talked to Freeway Ricky Ross from prison last night.
They don't allow face-to-face interviews.
He learned from us that he's one of the main sources for Gary Webb, that Gary had died and said that Gary, the last time he talked to him, said he was being followed.
All over the place by government people that he'd come home to his house at least twice and government men, you know, with precision would shimmy down a small drain pipe down the back of his house from the two-story window and run off into the night.
He was working on news stories and Gary focused in his first series on the drug dealing in South Central, the connection to the conference and the CIA And then, of course, Sully Castillo was the head of the DEA operations in Latin America, folks.
And for years, he became aware of this, documented it, took the photos, the documents, was basically threatened over it.
He's come to Austin and done two-hour presentations showing the photos, the documents, who the drug dealers are.
He was there, in Latin America, watching the DEA fuel the drug planes.
It's unbelievable, ladies and gentlemen, and of course he was a friend of Gary Webb's and learned of it within two hours after they found his body, his face, shotgunned away.
And again, folks, for those that don't use firearms a lot, haven't done a lot of hunting, haven't done a lot of target practice and shooting, you shoot somebody with a 12-gauge up close, it just blows a big hole in their head.
You've got to shoot them from at least five feet away to blow their face off.
I don't want to go into too many details of it, but the pattern spreads out from there.
That's what a shotgun does.
So that, we have confirmed, his face is basically blown off.
We're not going to let him kill somebody, a hero, like Gary Webb, and that's obviously, this should be treated as a murder, as a homicide.
And then ignore that.
And I just want to say this before we go to Chico Brown, and back to Sally.
Yesterday, the paramedics went public, in England, with Dr. David Kelly, The top UN weapons inspector from England who said that there were no weapons of mass destruction.
And then he told an American colleague and a British colleague that, quote, if I don't shut up, they're gonna kill me and put me in the woods.
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If you bleed to death, there's blood!
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Then they clearly kill her in the fake auto accident.
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And then, uh, 75% of the British people believe they killed her, but the media still says, oh, no, no, no, no.
My point is bringing those up.
is that they do this over and over again.
We saw Fannie Malick, the Arkansas Medical Examiner, with people with two shotgun blasts to the head, people with arms and legs cut off in trash dumps, and they would rule this as suicides.
We've seen cops killed in the Oklahoma City bombing case who were exposing government involvement, stabbed 13 times, throats slit, handcuff marks, people tortured with electricity marks all over them, beaten from head to toe, beatings on the bottoms of their feet, and these sicko coroners will say, suicide!
Well, I'll never commit suicide.
Sully has said he'll never commit suicide.
Now we're bringing up Chico Brown.
And he runs one of the biggest youth organizations in L.A.
And of course he's changed his ways and done a great job.
He was a co-defendant You're welcome.
Rikki Ross, the biggest drug dealer in West Coast history.
And Chico, we appreciate your courage and your honor in coming forward.
And of course you were friends with Gary Webb and got a lot of information for us.
What did you think when you heard, and pop it anytime, Shelley.
I know you know Shelley, a great patriot, a great American.
Yeah, you do.
Thank you.
Tell us a little bit, I mean, what did you think when you got the call?
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Well, I always knew because it always came up.
One of these days we'll get that call and say that happened to him or somebody that was involved in this case.
That wasn't it wasn't shocking to me that they would say that because I knew cuz he ride in the car with him You know many times and we just talked about that stuff and he was like, you know You should tell me you know when it first to case first book I'm saving you know scared for your life He would say something like you know what Chico you know I just got to do what I have to do but you know I've been getting death threats and stuff like that This is where we first The case first came open Now again, on record, he told you he'd been getting death threats when he was first working on the case.
I actually, you know, when we was going to court, you know, and all this stuff started coming out.
Because I had got out on bail, so he came to L.A.
and we rode around for weeks.
You know, he wanted to talk to me about the case and stuff, and so in that conversation he was always saying, you know, I get death threats all the time, Chico, and so to me when it happened, when I got the news, I actually read it in the paper, my father called me, and I was like, man, that time, because he always told me like, you know, something like that would happen, like, you know, they can get you anytime they want, stuff like that, and so I automatically said to myself, damn, my father said, he killed himself.
I said, yeah, right, my father said the same thing.
I just talked to you during the break and Shelly just learned of this.
We talked to Freeway Ricky from prison last night.
We recorded it.
We're going to be playing it in the third hour or tomorrow.
We're having to upload it right now.
But he said the last time he talked to Gary, Gary said, this was recently, he was being followed by cars.
He would come home and men, I would call it special forces type, but he described them as government, with great skill, would literally just leap down and slide down the drain pipe and run off into the darkness.
Cellies had people breaking into his house.
What was that revelation like for you?
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Yeah, I know, because I think I talked to him about six months ago, and when they said suicide to me, I know the guy, I know he'd never do nothing like that, but for him to just open and say something like that, I was like, man, and then when I talked to Rick Mother, the day I called her first words were like, Chico, they killed him, you know?
And that was her first word, I said, you know, Gary's dead.
Now, Sully, you're a unique expert on this subject.
I mean, you were, I don't want to call you an assassin, but a highly decorated Vietnam sniper, then the head of DEA operations in Latin America, witnessing all this death squads and stuff going on in drug dealing, and so when you say this is the M.O., I mean, how can police then just automatically, suicide, case closed, how do they control local Sacramento police to that level?
Well, because of uh... you know coming down from from washington you know it's uh... every operation is approved by the CIA every single one of them is approved so uh... they know better than to mess around with them because of uh... you know they use all kinds of techniques uh... you know one of the first tools that they use against individuals would be like the IRS you get audited and you know you end up paying thousands of dollars that's the first tool to let you know that uh... that uh...
You know, they're after you and they give it to you.
Chico Brown, what do you think about, it seems like the corruption gets worse and worse.
The good news is, everybody I've talked to now, it's an open secret that the government controls the drug trade.
But still, now everybody knows the truth, but still the SWAT teams will raid some teenager's house for a bag of marijuana and ruin their life.
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Well, man, that's so true because, you know, when that story first broke and everybody was excited for it, the L.A.
Times, Washington Post, I remember Gary was there.
You know, they want my story to go, they want my story, but he wasn't willing to give his story to the bigger newspaper, and then there was a conflict right there, and you know, This story was unique and it was true.
You know, it had facts and they were like, okay, if you don't want to do this, this is what we're going to do.
And then when they wrote the three-page series denying everything that he said and worked hard on, you know, that's when I knew, well, man, we got, we have problems.
You know, I'm an expert witness now for entrapment and informants for the defense.
Well, I get hired or retained by different attorneys and families from all over the country.
And every single, every single case that I've worked on for the defense, we realize and we find out the perjury, the corruption that the government is using to destroy families.
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I mean, I travel all over the states and speak about it.
It happened to me and Rick and how we were just puns and the whole drug war.
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And that's exactly, so now we have something that we can actually go out there and not, don't let Gary's dad be a denial to Everybody else that needs to be educated or into what's really going on with the government.
Chico, comments to keeping Gary's memory and work alive?
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Times obit is disgusting.
What's our attitude towards investigating journalism?
Well, of course we try to discourage it whenever we can, but sometimes it happens anyway.
Then we get especially nasty.
We have to, naturally, to protect our reputation.
Yeah, I loved USA Today when they said, Jones raises allegations that Schwarzenegger's father was a Nazi.
I raise allegations.
That's like, I mean, that's your journalism.
Yes, the allegation that the sun came up today.
The allegation that Arnold's from Austria.
The allegation that Hitler is from Austria.
The allegation that ducks quack.
That water is wet.
I mean, the media, and I read the articles they did trying to attack Webb.
They were never on any information.
I mean, I've interviewed the people on both ends of it.
They catch CIA bringing drugs in all the time.
Here in Texas, they find tractor trailers full of three tons of coke, and the police show up and say, let it go!
Sully Castillo, of course, a senior DEA officer for, what, seven years in Latin America, tried to blow the whistle on all this, but here in Texas, do you remember back in the late 90s, when they had that tractor trailer of CIA coke, and they made them just Absolutely, and it's still continuing.
It was even in the newspaper.
Oh, we just let it go.
We had it for a day, but in order to let it go, it was the government's.
Just recently, there's a senior DEA agent that's been involved in drug trafficking for many years for the cartels in Mexico, and he sells a lot of the information to the drug traffickers organizations.
And this guy's been around for close to almost 20 years now, and nothing's ever happened to him because he's part of the apparatus that's built right outside the intelligence agency.
Attorney's Office will perjure themselves before a grand jury.
And it's allowed.
And see, and they do this, Alex, because they know that at the end of the year, the President will pardon a lot of these individuals that work for him.
George Sr.
pardoned a Pakistan drug trafficker, a heroin trafficker, right before he left office.
tells Dan Burton's committee, don't go after Clinton for pardoning giant Coke dealers, and then the media doesn't even pick up on it, showing these guys are all just puppets.
Well, Sully, I'll tell you what I don't like, and Chico, I'll tell you what I don't like.
We're about to bring Paul Watson in.
I don't use drugs other than an occasional cerveza with my Mexican food or a glass of red wine with my Italian food.
I drink one cup of coffee in the morning.
I mean, that's the extent of my drug use.
But I've many times had the police pull me over, ask to search my car, and I tell them no, and they act like I'm evil and go, what do you have to hide?
I go, it's called the Fourth Amendment, bro.
Don't you want your kids to grow up in a free country?
And I'll start giving them a speech.
Don't you know your bosses bring the drugs in?
They're just, and by making drugs illegal, it puts the profit in it, and brings the gangs in, and criminalizes our society, and drives the crime wave!
I mean, but it's like, we're allowed to be even meaner to the minorities, but I'm a white guy, man, with blonde hair and blue eyes, and they're pretty mean to me!
I mean, what is this?
Chico, any comments?
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For me, I got stopped every time I turned a corner.
So, you know.
So I just thought it was a thing that went on all around the country.
They're doing it here in Texas by the Department of Public Safety.
Uh, profiling everybody.
One of the first questions they'll ask you is, for example, they'll stop the driver and get him off, and then they'll go ask the passenger, what was the last time you filled up, left your car?
Now, where are you coming from?
Where are you going?
Where do you take it?
And I've taught my kids that once you get stopped and you say no to the search, and they say, well, you know, I'm going to do that, or I'm going to bring the dog to the probable cause.
Also, again, when they say, what do you have to hide?
You need to tell them, look, my Fourth Amendment, would you like being pulled over and searched like this?
And people that I know go, I'll let them search, they don't have any drugs.
Folks, folks, that's the point.
Because you haven't done anything wrong.
Make them get a dog.
But listen, here's the thing.
Here's the deal.
People are going to jail.
In Round Rock, Texas, for not returning, I mean a week late, a videotape to Blockbuster Hollywood Video.
I have Associated Press articles where somebody moves and forgets to return a library book and when they come back to town later and get arrested, they're charging him.
Folks, I know Korean War veterans.
I know an old man, 75 years old.
No criminal record, driving back from South Texas, fishing at the coast.
And they said, mind if I search your car?
And he said, sure.
They arrested him for a filleting knife.
And they'll arrest old men, folks, with vet stickers.
Okay.
They'll arrest old men with vet stickers for having a filleting knife in their car.
They'll arrest people who, I have friends, one guy's like 45 years old, owns his own company, you know, with the lawnmowers and trimming yards.
They arrested one of the members of his crew because there was a machete in the back.
Folks, you use a machete when you're clearing brush in somebody's backyard.
It was in there with the lawnmowers.
My point is, It's like New York arresting somebody because the tip wasn't 20%.
That was New York Daily News.
Arresting people because they finish a candy bar before they get on the subway.
They said they chewed aggressively.
Sully, I mean, are you seeing this system where everything's a crime?
Here in Texas, you can drive around in your truck with an AK-47 and it's not illegal.
Imagine that.
A dead knife or whatever they want to come out with.
uh... making charge with and it's it's all uh... it's all up to them and that's why you never get permission for them to search no matter what never get permission.
Exactly and see once you target those police officers for doing it they have a uh... a tail what we call a cola which means this guy has been involved in a lot of civil rights violations and I think people will start listening to him or you get a civil rights attorney.
You just file an amendment and uh...
That's exactly what happened just recently, a couple of days ago, when the police officers ran sting operations on 18-wheelers.
They violated the guy, they beat him up, and then they let him go.
So, you know, it is continuing to happen, and we need to put a stop to it.
Again, the reason I bring up the old people is because it's an old lady.
And they got $4,000 cash in their purse.
No drugs.
Cops go ahead and take it.
That's mainstream news.
Oh yeah.
We've got cases where the old man or old lady has their, you know, you take, they sell it at all the grocery stores, a little pill box where you take the pills you need and you put them for the day and they're when you go on a day trip.
They're arresting people for having their pills out of their pill bottles.
Yeah.
And again, I know we've kind of diverged, but this is what this whole drug war is about.
I mean, look, I want to bring Paul Watson up from England.
Paul, they've got the drug war over there.
I know you've covered what happened here in Texas.
Tulea, Texas, 50-something black people, no criminal record, no drugs found.
They just come arrest them and put them in the local prison owned by the local town fathers.
Yeah, well, you mentioned the drug situation in England.
Before the war in Afghanistan, Tony Blair publicly stated, we will bomb the poppy field and look at what's happened since.
In record level?
Yeah, and that represents one third of the entire world's drug trade, that Afghan Golden Crescent, you know, $200 billion or more.
And so now the reports are, you know, record levels of heroin and opium on the streets of London.
And Tony Blair promised us that he would bomb the poppy fields.
So they're bringing this system in, which ties in with exactly the same kind of police state measures that are being introduced in this country as they are in America.
Things like the ID cards and internal checkpoints.
So it's the same system being introduced at the same time.
Well, my thoughts on it, as you mentioned before, are the media complicity in the reporting of the death.
You know, aside from the fact that so-called suicides related to the Bush crime family, Or, you know, akin to winning the lottery jackpot twice with two tickets.
The media have been complicit in that they calmly reported the cause of death, and they've now since amended a lot of the articles to try and hide this, to be shotgun wounds, that's wounds plural, to the face.
Now, number one, if you shoot yourself in the face, you're not going to be in any kind of state to pull the trigger again.
There's also a very similar case that happened a few years ago in El Toro where that colonel up there was trying to, uh, was getting ready to blow the whistle on the government's drug trafficking.
I mean, how do cops come and stand over a dead colonel who stood up against drug dealing and see him shot in the back and go, well, we don't want this to happen to us because we're little cowards.
Well, yeah, that's another one of the aspects to this.
There's been this argument of, you know, why kill him now?
After all, his great reporting has already come out.
Obviously, as you've been talking about, he had new information that he was working on, which was on the way.
And, you know, it would have been easier to get rid of him now, you know, in a time when he was out of the spotlight, rather than later on when he's back in the spotlight.
But also, you know, it's a fair assumption to make that this is also I absolutely agree with that.
of brute intimidation to anyone else out there with the same kind of sensitive information, whether that be related to the CIA drugs issue or any other issue.
Keep your mouth shut, there'll be consequences. - Yes, because now they're gonna be taking steps to do things that have been done before covertly, but now it's not gonna be covertly.
They're just going to go out there outright and just do whatever the heck they want to do.
And if anybody wants to complain about it or whatever, then that's a sign.
Here he is.
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If that's what you want to happen to you or to your family, you know, try to stop us.
And that's what's going to happen.
We're going to come after anybody who goes against them.
You know, I'm going to do something, and I know that I'm going to let, unless he wants to stay with us and he's welcome to, Chico go here in a few minutes.
We've taken so much of his time.
But I want to try to keep Selly a little bit into the next hour if he can do it.
I know he's busy as well.
But regardless, I want to keep the lines open here for only police officers or retired police officers or retired or current intelligence people who want to call in and try to refute this or add to it, call in.
And that's something that has to be done here with Gary Webb.
I mean, if they kill me, or they kill you, and we're on record, you know, saying we're not going to commit suicide, I expect people to keep the memory alive and to use it against the New World Order.
And we've got to go different, you know, we need to go to the universities and lecture to them about what happened to Gary Webb, because those are going to be the leaders of our country one day, or people that we really need to go out, you know, grassroots individuals They need to be educated in a, you know, I'm part of a group called People for Peace and Justice now, and they're a whole bunch of young kids.
And when you talk to them about the CIA and the involvement in atrocities, straight into that, and so forth, that's what's going on in Colombia right now, see?
And they're not aware of those situations, and we need to educate them, bring them up to par on the whole issues of what our government is doing.
You know, we're all in this position where at any time something can happen, but that's not changing my mind and my thoughts of what Gary believes and what I believe in.
You know, and that's the truth of what happened in today's society, especially drug trade and how the government was involved.
You know, like you said, we're on record.
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I tell them right off the bat that I've witnessed this before where I was responsible for typing up the blotter and I know good and well what happened out in the field because I was in radio contact and I followed the sequence of events that would happen in a certain arrest or this or that and then the officers got back to the station and I'm sort of under their, as part of the job, I'm under their authority Boy, that's just classic.
And also a lot of these TV shows, these dramas, the cops do bad things on those shows but they're still good, so cops watch that and that's kind of like a moral comforter.
Well yeah, I mean they call these CCTV cameras up to protect us, but whenever they catch something which the government doesn't want you to find out about, they mysteriously malfunction on every occasion.
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Of course, we're talking about Gary Webb, shotgun in the face.
The report first was multiple shotgunnings, but now they're not retracting it, they're They're just removing it.
And again, he was the big preeminent mainstream media reporter, journalist who had exposed government complicity in the drug trade with the CIA.
Ricky Ross was one of the main CIA dealers there in California.
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Last night, from Kevin Booth, uh... that uh... that Gary Webb had died and he said, oh man, he told me there were people at his house.
People, you know, with special forces style would shimmy down the drain pipe and run off.
We talked to Chico Brown.
Gary Webb had told him he'd been getting a lot of death threats just over the years.
He'd been being followed recently.
And he's dead.
Committed suicide, supposedly.
No investigation.
And you're a former law enforcement officer, Sully Castillo, the head of the DEA for Latin America.
I mean, I would investigate this as a murder investigation.
We'll tell you, you need to do what you gotta do and do it right.
But when you've got people pressuring you from the chief of police or to anybody else to do the right, to do what they're asking you to do.
And I remember a guy in Washington, D.C.
Came all the way from Washington to El Salvador to tell me to use the word alleged because there was no proof that the CIA was involved in drug trafficking.
I mean, he came all the way down here to try to tell me how to do my job and that was uncalled for and that's when I started to document everything that I could.
Especially his... I got him documented a time and date when he came up and told me to use the word alleged.
Paul Watson, I mean, there's no way to deny that you put men with covert powers in around hundreds of billions of dollars, and it isn't going to become corrupt overnight, but this system was corrupt to begin with, Paul.
The point you mentioned about, you know, why no investigation?
I mean, here in this country, it's legally imperative that there is a public inquest on anyone's death, where the cause of death isn't totally clear, you know, clear-cut with witnesses.
Um, so I don't, that should play out in America, but obviously with these high-profile cases, they don't do that.
Going back to the gunshot wounds, I've got two separate AP reports.
The first one, which was posted, you know, on a local news channel affiliate website, which, you know, they get them posted within minutes of their release.
Says gunshot wounds the second AP article which was reposted in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer say single gunshot wound and then the guy that pulled the obituary for one of the big newspapers I'm still trying to confirm which newspaper it was But he said that the coroner told him that Webb had multiple gunshot wounds.
So that's, you can't argue that that's just a, you know, a difference in grammar between wound and wounds.
It's clear that he had multiple wounds, is what the journalist who pulled the obituary for one of the newspapers said.
You know, I think the actor came up to him and, you know, they told him, you know, today's payback day, Gary, and this is gonna happen and you're gonna be here.
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The End We talked to his co-defendant, Chico Brown, in the last hour.
We're talking to Sully Castillo.
He, of course, the senior DEA agent for almost seven years in Latin America, publicly saw the government dealing the drugs, bringing them in, fueling the drug planes.
And Sully, before we went to that break, you were, start over again.
I mean, clearly, you've studied this, you were a sniper yourself in Vietnam, but clearly you know how these globalist criminals work.
When they went into his dark house, I asked, do you think they clearly killed him?
I mean, the evidence is there.
He said he had been death-threatened, had people shimmying down the pole, down the Water pipe coming down from upstairs, several times when he comes home, recently being followed by cars, and please continue, start over and tell us how you think it went.
Well, I think that, you know, my theory behind it, I think that that happens all the time, but I think that Gary was working on something huge, and I think what he might have been working on, it's just my guess now, I think he was working on Carlos Slater's case.
I mean, the police show up and guys in black uniforms run off, there's no blood at the scene, the paramedics say that, the pills aren't digested in his stomach, he told people they're gonna kill me and put me in the woods.
Yeah, and this again came out two days ago, and just with this web situation, there was a canned media response, which was, oh, the poor family, surely they just want to move on from all this.
And if the family knew 5% of the evidence, which they obviously do, against the suicide theory, then they'd want a full public inquest, and not the Hutton whitewash, which Blair said he knew the result of before it even started.
Michael Shrimpton, the government barrister who was on your broadcast, said the same thing, that he was murdered, that certain elements of MI5 were unhappy about it.
And, as you mentioned, the simple fact is it takes at least 12 to 24 hours, if not days, to die from slitting your wrist, even if you cut through a major artery.
And obviously, with the crime scene evidence, there were only spots of blood at the scene where there should have been five pints or more.
And then, as you said, the men in black jumpsuits and army fatigues around the body, the special police units before the paramedics got there.
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I know you were friends with Gary Webb, and I appreciate...
I appreciate your courage in Vietnam as a sniper, highly decorated.
I appreciate your courage down there in the drug war for almost seven years as the head of the DEA in Latin America.
I appreciate you having the courage to come on this broadcast and we've talked about how you come in your house and they've broken in there and you've gone through a lot and Gary told folks he was being followed and harassed and death-threaded and then to watch the media cover this up but we can get the truth out, we can educate the people and we can explain to the young people, don't use drugs, they're not cool, the government ships them in.
And that seems to be a good way to get kids to not ever use drugs and see it as a trap, not as something that's cool.
Well, Shelley, I think that Gary Webb at 49 survived by children and his wife, I think that he's had a good full life, and I think God was smiling down on him when these sickos obviously killed him, and I think that he's been brought into heaven and is going to be rewarded.
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And once you do that, then you might get a momentum going and hopefully things will change.
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Yeah, exactly, but that email proves that he was in no mindset to kill himself.
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And boy, Selly was almost breaking down during a break.
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You know, the least you can do is just get informed and inform others.
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Yeah, you've done a great job ruining this country.
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The junkies want the drugs because they're so expensive.
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I want to go to John and Rick and Jim and Bill and William and others, but right now, for folks that just joined us, any other important news you want to talk about, things that are happening globally?
Yeah, the global news is the geopolitical situation, and that is that China and Russia have just announced their first joint war games.
And the two countries are basically following the exact same course as the US is being led down, which is pre-emptive imperial action abroad and, you know, police state measures at home.
And in the past we've seen that these kind of war games conducted by both China and Russia have been designed around repelling an attack, repelling against an attack by the US.
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So, in the face of this, it's no surprise that Russia and China are bonding.
And the man with the soul of love, Mr. Pooty Poot, as Bush calls him, Vladimir Putin... By the way, that's true.
And so Perle and people within the White House are beginning to question whether Russia should be seen as an enemy again.
But the overriding factor is that, you know, the neocons can't really have any complaints because what's happening in the US internally is almost as bad as Russia and China.
Putin just abolished the elections of regional governors by popular vote.
You know, how different is that from the growth of federalization, the growth of government in the US?
She pulled her scissors out during the craft time when they had their little scissors and was cutting and they had to arrest her, this is dangerous for you!
So again, they're both following the same policies internally and geopolitically.
But it seems that they're following the same road, but going in different directions.
So it seems that some organized chaos later on down the road is in the pipeline to create this global horror that the globalists need to put an end to.
So the real, you know, the real education on Christianity, even if you're not a Christian, you know the basic tenets of the Bible and how to live your life, which is, you know, successful and moral.
That's all being suppressed and even turned into hate crimes in Canada and now the U.S.
Yeah, we may not know the identities of these slimeballs, CI connected slimeballs, who carried out this crime against truth and courage and humanity.
But I think, well, they're the underground.
John in Ohio, go ahead.
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We may not know the identities of these slimeballs, CI-connected slimeballs who carried out this crime against truth and courage and humanity, but I think they're the underground.
I think we know the overground perpetrators.
It's the media.
It's the New York Times.
It's the Washington Post.
It's the Los Angeles Times who did an assassination attempt on him, on Gary Webb, when more and more people became aware of the crime.
A credibility of character assassination, and they're doing it now posthumously, and I think we've got to realize that we can go after them
And I was recalling the FAIR.org organization, the Media Monitor, which has become kind of watered down in recent years, but originally their editor went to the New York Times, which is one of the biggest conduits for CI disinformation, and he asked them why they weren't publishing this evidence of CI involvement in drug trafficking that's available in the public record.
And their top investigator report told them we're never going to allow that information to get to the public.
That would destroy the system.
But because it was not in a public forum, they could admit this kind of stuff.
And I think people have got to realize that the CIA, even according to Carl Bernstein, couldn't get it written in his own Washington Post, had to get it written in an alternate magazine years ago.
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Miami Herald with the headline, you know, "Web's research based on discredited reports." When the congressional investigations, which proved it, I mean, you just had a former head of DEA who was witness to it.
So the character assassinations continued, the obituary in the LA Times was scathing as well, which is why we're going to put up this page later on today.
With all this evidence thrown in with these interviews today which will counter that and that will wreck up the internet.
Great, you're still on because all of a sudden it sounded like it disappeared.
I want to come from a different point of view.
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And then I want to mention two other things that haven't been mentioned so far.
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And where's all this money going?
It's going into weird projects that we don't need to discuss.
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And it's subverting the very basis of the Constitution, which is that The Congress determines where money is spent, and there's trillions of dollars that's coming in illegally to these weird projects that we can discuss at another date.
And then they're persecuting people who are dying.
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Looks like multiple life sentences are trying to treat pain patients.
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If you were to be given the choice between appearing with Bill Maher, who yucks it up with former CIA directors, you know, war criminals, or with Jon Stewart, who yucks it up with Henry Kissinger and other various war criminals, or with George Norrie, who is a friend of the people, whose show would you choose to appear on?
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I don't want to lobby them, but... No, I ask your audience, sir, and I will be part of that effort, to email George Norrie, that's george, at coast2coastam.com.
And to ask him to put you on for an emergency Gary Webb program.
And that's George at coast2coastam.com.
and there's the producer also is coast producer at aol.com that's yeah producer at aol.com yeah i don't want to tell people to lobby them because they are I want your audience to do so, sir.
Well, besides that, in, you know, after I get off the air in about two hours it'll be all over the internet anyway in this story we're gonna put together so, you know, we're gonna blitz it out there.
Uh, you had mentioned a number of times in your films how the government was so good about, uh, covering up all the evidence at Waco.
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Ruby Woods, uh, the shooter there was the same one that was at, uh, Waco.
And, uh, You were talking about the attitudes of these guys and the evidence to get anybody caught at anything.
Well, when the government does all that, one of the gentlemen there today mentioned about liars forgetting their lies.
And, uh, Dan Rather had a segment on 60 Minutes, and you'll remember the issue came up about who was shooting first at Waco, and the doors would tell the difference by which way the shards... Yes.
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That's what everybody was told when they cleaned everything up.