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Hard to believe that it's already Friday.
Well, we've learned that the government used the Patriot Act against the ACLU to block them for months.
It's not a month like the news is saying.
For months and months in a lawsuit they had filed concerning the Patriot Act.
So you see now, suing the government, they come in and use the Patriot Act on you.
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Well now, They've gone after Bev Harris, and Bev Harris, of course, corporate crime investigator, journalist, broken literally, it's got to be over 50 major news stories concerning massive scientifically crafted election fraud, coast to coast, how the CIA covertly runs most of these companies, well I shouldn't say covertly, vote here, is run by Robert Gates, former head of the CIA, and a bunch of admirals, but
She's been under investigation.
They've been using the Patriot Act to keep her quiet about it.
Now she's refusing to do it.
Under investigation for exposing that coast-to-coast Diebold and others have been stealing elections.
Just caught manipulating votes with wireless transmitters in the machines.
No ballot, no record.
League of Women Voters on the dole, on the take, saying we don't want any records of how you vote.
Lobbying against Congressman Rush Holt's bill.
This is the type of stuff we're dealing with.
She's written a 27-page article detailing this nightmare.
It is on infowars.com.
And they're being uploaded right now to PrisonPlanet.com.
Bev Harris is joining us in 30 minutes.
Exactly 30 minutes from now.
Then in the third hour, Dr. Dennis Cuddy, worked inside the New World Order system, and is an expert on 9-11, the globalist terror paradigm, you name it.
And of course, we'll also have wide open phones to get into all the latest news and developments The Secret Service, what's your name, will subpoena this website.
And it says the Secret Service has been harassing her, telling her not to tell the public that they're investigating her using provisions out of the Patriot Act.
And then I have the article from Monday where the ACLU sues the government over the fact that they go into cases in businesses and computers and libraries and bookstores you name it and says give us everybody's names but don't tell anybody we were here ever or you'll be arrested under terrorism in fact there's an execution clause in there in Patriot Act 2 strengthening that
And now they're using Patriot Act 1 on these people saying, yeah, you can't tell anybody about the suit until it finally got leaked out.
So, that's the new America, my friends.
Has nothing to do with terrorists at all.
Well, I guess it does.
The globalists are the terrorists taking our right to vote away.
And the average yuppie just can't face the horror that in every civilization that's had voting, there's been vote fraud, and that it's happening here again.
Happened with Kennedy, LBJ, you name it, but couldn't be happening in an orchestrated, systematic event.
When we've caught them hundreds of times doing it, we'll be right back.
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As we chronicle the New World Order's sinister, and I mean sinister, activities.
Yesterday, I didn't even get in to the unmitigated, unadulterated, massive, brutal, sadistic torture taking place against Iraqis in Iraq.
And then last night I had a chance, stuck in traffic for about an hour, to listen to Neocon Radio.
I probably tuned into 25 different shows across the AM band.
And they were CELEBRATING the torture.
They were CELEBRATING forcing the homosexual activity on these poor people.
They were CELEBRATING having them hold electrical wires standing on a bread box over water.
They were CELEBRATING it.
It's good!
But at the same time, it's bad when Saddam does stuff like that, but good when we do it.
See, I'm like Winston Smith in 1984.
I've got to learn my double thing to stay sane in an insane world.
I've got to learn to love Big Brother.
Every day, there's two more articles a day where it says, Big Brother's actually good.
Big Brother's actually helping.
Big Brother wasn't so bad after all.
Every day.
I know you see the articles.
I know you see it on the news.
Big Brother's helping.
Big Brother's here.
It's so wonderful!
He's our friend!
If you go to InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com, we actually had the photos up there three days ago!
And for some reason, I never talked about it.
Well, I'll tell you why for some reason.
It's like when USA Today came out and said, oh, there were plans to fly, you know, drills to fly remote-controlled hijacked jet aircraft in the World Trade Center and Pentagon, done by the Pentagon.
What do you know?
You know, I almost didn't even cover that at first because, oh, that's such old news for us here on this broadcast.
And again, I'm not tuning my horn.
Oh, we're so advanced.
Oh, we have all the answers.
What I'm saying is that a lot of times when something's new to the country, new to the world, it's not new to this brain or to you, and torture, yeah.
Look, why are you hearing about this torture now?
Why did it come out on CBS News a few days ago?
Why is it a big story?
Because the hired thugs that they hired to do this, with violent histories as jail guards, you name it, because these idiots thought that it was so normal and so kosher and so acceptable what they were doing, because it was all being, you know, supported and mandated, they didn't think they were doing anything wrong.
They were proud of it!
You know, they didn't think it was a crime.
And so they were emailing it around and giving it to people, you know, video, video stills.
And I've talked to my sources in the media, supposedly this video is a lot worse.
As usual, CBS is not showing you what really went on.
It came out in the London Guardian and the Associated Press, what, six months ago, that at Camp X-Ray, And remember, the head general over Camp X-Ray, Brigadier General Rick Baucus, with a sterling record, resigned, and they said, no, you're fired, almost two years ago, and he said, I refuse to torture anyone, much less innocent people, at Camp X-Ray.
Well, then it came out later that last year, they finally had to release several hundred people who had no connection to any terrorist, and it came out that they would bring in prostitutes, Menstruating, and I hate to get into detail here, but this is what they did.
And to a Muslim that is just very unclean, I think to anybody that is.
Much less just a prostitute, period.
And made these men have sex, chained down with prostitutes that were, well, I already said it.
Now, that was in the Associated Press, but never in your big national news.
It was on the news wires.
I didn't see it in a single paper.
Like, Rick Baucus was in the AP.
He gave a Rhode Island interview where he lives, talked about it, was in the AP.
We called him.
He said, look, I've been told to shut up.
You know, I'm not going to come on.
Kind of like the firefighters we call about the bombs going off.
They talk at first and later shut up, but just amazing.
And so, the only reason you're hearing about this now is because the goons they hired to do the torture.
And for 50 years, our government's trained the world how to torture.
They trained Saddam how to torture.
He went to CIA school for two years!
In Egypt and in the United States.
He was trained to the most vicious ways to torture.
The most vicious ways to kill.
The most vicious ways to assassinate.
With knives and rifles and bombs.
An absolute killing machine killed hundreds of communists for the CIA.
And then was put into power and lavishly tortured and lavishly did everything he did.
So these idiots, these psychopaths, these sickos that did all this to these Iraqis, basically all of them are innocent, I mean they just grabbed people randomly off the street if they don't have a license to sell tangerines, that's been in the Associated Press.
Again, never in your newspaper.
Take them to the Halliburton-run FEMA camp.
It's a private FEMA camp.
They're at the airport.
There's dozens of them around the country, but that's the big one.
The only reason you're hearing about it, to make a long story short, is because these guys put the information out, and so they have to now say, oh, we're going to discipline or fire, not court-martial, but fire this female general.
Oh, it's all her fault.
And we're going to court-martial six of the goons.
That's two kind of words.
Six of the cowards.
Don't call our troops cowards!
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Making men have homosexual sex together is a good thing!
In Road to Tyranny, in Masters of Terror, in Police State 3 Total Enslavement, in 9-11 Dissent into Tyranny, in Order Out of Chaos, in the two books and two videos we've put out on 9-11, in these incredible docu-bombs, these info-weapons, we have the New York Times, the AP, all of it going, with these people going, it's time to use rubber hoses and pliers, it's time to torture people!
And the law enforcement magazines, yeah, let's torture people!
And then, not just in reality, but then in fiction, you know, chaining people down in 24 and Threat Matrix, blood spraying, torture their bodies, smoking, and the good guys have to do it, and torture's good.
School of America's for over 50 years, changed the name a year and a half ago.
Train people worldwide, death squads, you name it, in the most, how to hook electrodes to People's sexual organs, how to do things I won't even mention on air, how to put a funnel in somebody's mouth and pour gallons of hot water down it, how to shoot Tabasco sauce up people's noses, how to pull fingernails out, and the psychology of how you're doing good by this.
And the naive American people don't even care, aren't even aware of it.
Aren't even aware of it.
And so, some of their sickos think it's totally legal, think it's okay.
You know, they get Fox Television in the barracks where torture's good and how wonderful it is, and they're told to torture these people, so, hey, let's email the video!
Let's pass photos out!
Every few days I see a photo of...
Troops making a child stand up saying, the Marines killed my father, raped my mother!
I love them!
And the child smiling, and the troops laughing behind them.
Troops with skulls on their tanks.
Troops with 666 on their helicopters.
Reuters Television had all that.
Just swarms of helicopters with 666 coming in.
And the Arabs call us the Great Satan.
I wonder why.
But I really got sick last night.
Stuck in traffic, listening, just flipping through channels, going, no, no, no, it can't be, and this is what I would hear, George Bush is a master, he's so incredible, he should have testified publicly, oh, this commission's so liberal, two of them walking out, you know, more theater, oh, oh, you know, the troops torturing these people, well, they're terrorists, they're killing our people, we gotta get tough, level fallujah, kill them all!
I mean, I'm living in Nazi Germany!
I'm living in Nazi Germany.
I'm living in... it's just sick!
And so, I didn't last few days even cover the torture in the photos of people with hoods over their heads, in literal, you know, sheets with holes all in it, dirty, standing on top of bread boxes with water flowing beneath them with electricity hooked up to them.
You know, men all piled up having to engage in sexual activities.
You know, I don't even want to cover the Associated Press and the London Guardian where it's admitted that they bring in prostitutes with these poor men chained down who have their devout religious beliefs and do this to them.
But that's not the beginning of the torture.
I mean, they say it's not torture when they fly them over naked Chained down on C-130s, all those photos of them naked on 23-hour flights, chained down naked with aircrafts that aren't heated, literally going into hypothermia, a lot of them dying, putting them into
Containers, and leaving them in the sun for three days.
Three thousand of them, or much of the three thousand died.
Those that didn't, they lined them all up and machine gunned them.
When four reporters got the news report and satellite phoned it in, they then got into the Northern Alliance territory and got whacked by some of the mercs so they couldn't tell the full story.
That's your loving government, who admits, by the way, they target and kill Western journalists.
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And they put goggles on them, headsets on them, nose plugs in them, a mask over their face so they can barely breathe, chain their hands behind their back or in front of them, and make them sit on their knees.
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Again, making somebody sit there with electrical wires in their hands on a bread box over water for hour after hour after hour, making people contort into weird positions, making people do unspeakable... Dozens and dozens and dozens have died at Camp X-Ray, have died at the camps in Iraq, and it's always suicide or an accident.
But then our TV shows tell us that torture is good, and the news says torture is good, and they hire all these jail guards and send them to Iraq, and they're going to come back and do it to you!
That's what it's all about, having our new ruling elite.
Meanwhile, Bush and Cheney, together, to keep their story straight, I had a little meeting together yesterday with the 9-11 Whitewash Commission.
Remember, they tried to have Henry Kissinger be the first so-called independent head of it.
It's like having Jiang Zemin investigate Mao Zedong.
And they go in there for this closed-door meeting, and the major report is that Senator Kerry and one of the other buffoons left for other meetings.
Oh, how disrespectful of the leader!
That isn't even the issue!
It doesn't even matter!
They're all New World Order!
Mr. Kerry was a hit-team commander running giant torture squads, admittedly, that killed tens of thousands of people in South Vietnam!
The corrupt South wanted your business for your wife.
You're supposedly a Viet Cong.
We're going to torture you and Mr. Kerry helped run that.
So, I mean, it's just a sick joke, my friends.
And Bush came out.
I heard this on NPR.
I was out working on a new video last night.
I didn't get to watch it.
I didn't hear the audio.
And I did record it because I had the VCR set for midnight when it re-aired on C-SPAN.
Bush goes, if I had anything to hide, I wouldn't be talking to the commission.
If I had anything to hide?
How guilty is that?
If I had anything to hide?
I'm not a crook!
Behavior.
And all these softball questions by the reporters.
I just heard some snippets of it.
I haven't watched the video yet.
I just heard Bush say that.
I mean, what a joke!
What a sick, sick, sick joke!
And they didn't put Bill Clinton under oath.
They didn't put George Bush under oath.
They didn't put Dick Cheney under oath.
As if they follow an oath despite that.
I mean, we've caught them lying to us hundreds of times.
You know, the Spain bombings were very suspicious.
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The police have been out in their big squads right before the attack.
They weren't letting people on certain trains.
This is out of the major Spanish papers.
It was on 3-11, 911 days after 9-11.
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and it uh... then a few weeks ago when they were gonna buy some of
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uh... we just saw them doing it and then they just said it's for by everyone's
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The terrorists blew themselves up, but now we can't talk to them, because they're all dead.
Well, BBC reports, and it's the same thing every time, Spain suspects were informants!
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Let me just read a few paragraphs from a 27-page article, and then we'll get to Bev Harris, who's being persecuted, and who is a modern American hero, one of the best and brightest people I know of, and if we had more like her, we would save this country.
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The Secret Service wants your name.
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And by the way, they read every word.
Hi, Agent Mike.
This investigation no longer passes the stink test, Bev says to him through the communication.
He says not to tell folks about the investigating they are doing.
I have cooperated ad nauseum to this absurd investigation of the Vote Here hack, which looks to me like it's something entirely different.
I'll tell you what it looks like to me.
A fishing expedition.
It appears that they may be using the Patriot Act, which we found out they are, just like they told the ACLU they couldn't talk about a lawsuit against the Patriot Act under the Patriot Act, to circumvent some of the civil rights protections laid down in the 60s.
You see, it is illegal for a government agency to go in and demand the list of all members of a group.
And you can investigate leaks to journalists by going in and grabbing the reporter's computer.
After the Diebold memos were leaked, put on their main website, folks, and my website was shut down, around the time of the California recall election, which Diebold basically ran, I started getting solicited to accept VoteHear software.
I didn't bite because it was obvious that it was an entrapment attempt.
Okay, a word about Vote Here.
This is the company that has no visible means of support.
It doesn't seem to sell anything.
Its board is heavily infested, as all voting companies are, with defense industry types.
A former CIA director, Robert Gates, now heads George Bush's school of government.
He's on the board.
And Admiral Bill Owens, also vice chairman of SAIC and a member of the Defense Policy Board, with Mr. Perl and Wolfowitz, a very close friend of Cheney, Washington's Secretary of State, Ralph Munro, and others.
And it says, under the Patriot Act, hacking crimes were turned over to a new division called the Cyber Crimes Division and placed under the auspices of the Secret Service.
And let me tell you what they want from me now.
They want the logs of my website, of all the forum messages, and the IP addresses, that's right, all of them, a giant phishing expedition for every communication of everyone interested in the voting issue.
This has nothing to do with vote here, hack investigation, and I have refused to turn it over.
Now understand, this is a chilling effect.
They went after universities that posted the Diebold documents, and finally they backed them off and defeated them.
Criminal documents showing the manipulation of our elections, showing the cover-up, showing up the holes in the software, that somebody linked on their page, that they found on the server, no hacking, just clicking, Then they went after Bev, she defeated them, and now they're after her again, telling her not to speak out, not to defend herself.
She's doing the right thing fighting back.
Whenever they grab you for something, state, federal, or local, they'll tell you, shut up and we'll go easy on you.
That is a complete fraud.
If we stood up to this persecution, they couldn't get away with it.
Bev, thanks for holding for seven minutes while I ranted and raved.
I talked to you during the break and I mentioned what had happened with, and I know you're busy with the voting issue, and you weren't aware of it, ACLU sued questions FBI methods of obtaining records, what's happening to you right now, the American Civil Liberties Union disclosed Wednesday that it filed a lawsuit Weeks and weeks ago, challenging the FBI's methods of obtaining many business records, but the group was barred from revealing even the existence of the case until now under the Patriot Act, but finally it was leaked.
They threatened to arrest ACLU lawyers, saying, talking about your suit against us is an act of terrorism.
You're hitting them hard because the three major voting companies all have CIA people on the board, obvious Defense Department funding, taking over our voting, we've caught them coast to coast.
Give people an overview of what's happening and the attack you're under.
The attack I'm under, the attack the industry's under, because I think that's what's really spurring it.
What happened in California last week has got them absolutely running for cover, because you have now the California Voting Board recommended to the Secretary of State that he decertify Diebold in four counties and turn them over for criminal prosecution.
So you see, We're drawing blood at this point, and rightly so, because the documents that were leaked last week were Diebold's own lawyers' memos, in which Diebold's own lawyers are telling Diebold it's been committing crimes, and its lawyers are sitting there discussing how to lie to the Secretary of State.
It doesn't get much worse than this.
So yes, funny thing, Just as this happened, I guess I make a call.
You see this is where we've come to and the fact that this company can even be, it's still counting votes although By the way, California decertified it.
Most of the country.
It's going to be the largest company counting votes in 2006.
Bob Yerosevich, who I just mentioned, the fellow who said we got caught, is the president of Diebel Election Systems and the other biggest company, Election Systems and Software, is one of the executives there is his brother Todd Yerosevich.
Together, they founded Election Systems and Software, and now two different brothers are in management at two different companies that control 80% of the vote.
Again, for people that just joined us, Diebold engineers have gone public, said it's a complete fraud, makes it in a few regional papers, never in the national news.
You've talked to all the big reporters, they all want to do it, they've been told no.
Diebold has convicted felons running elections in the last California election.
They've been caught with wireless transmitters.
The other companies, right here in Austin, Michael McCall, down in the polls, but he's married to the Clear Channel owner's daughter.
Clear Channel was his biggest contributor.
He was Janet Reno's personal lawyer, a good Bush Republican, covering up Chinagate and Waco.
Despite the fact that he's down in the polls, I said, no, he's going to win, because guess what?
Guess who owns Hart InterCivics that 80% of his ballots were counted on?
Clear Channel is his biggest contributor.
He's married to the family, and they own the voting machines, Bev!
And I encourage everybody else who believes in fair voting and an honest election And a paper ballot to join the League of Women Voters and let's all show up at their national meeting and voice our opinion.
I mean, we'd have our Second Amendment back if it wasn't for the Trojan Horse NRA, but people can't get their minds past the label that the NRA is worse for guns than Chuckie Schumer.
Now, I say claimed because this is a company that's run by CIA cryptographers who specialize in security.
So, I have to say, it's a little odd, the timing, and it seems a little unusual that someone would be able to hack into such a place, but they claimed they were hacked.
And at the same time, I had received these solicitations for the VoteHere software, which I didn't take.
I felt it was entrapment.
I didn't bother.
What I got was an email that said, click this link for VoteHere software.
Now, this was ridiculous, because VoteHere had announced it was going to be putting its software on the web as open source momentarily.
So the idea that you would go and get it in some clandestine way when it was going to be out there anyway.
And I don't know anyone who's interested in their software.
They don't sell anything.
They're not anywhere.
We have better things to look at.
Be that as it may, because I had gotten this solicitation, I did not feel it was inappropriate to talk to the people who were investigating this so-called hack.
And the first thing I did was tell them, make sure there was even a crime.
Because it sounds to me like this may have been not really a crime.
This may have been an effort to get more information.
Then, as they began supposedly investigating this vote here hack, they spent almost all their time asking questions about the Diebold memos, which have nothing to do.
And they admit that Diebold, Diebold, somebody put it on their open server, obviously leaking it, and no one had to hack to get this, and they admit that.
When they investigate this, they say that we're not interested in that and we don't care how the de-vote thing happened, but then all of their questions have to do with that.
So it's like, well, what are you investigating here?
Are you investigating vote here?
Are you investigating this other thing?
And then, most recently, the agent made sort of a pointed Reference.
And he said, by the way, I was on the plane with you recently.
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It's been either two or three and then at least three more by telephone interview.
He brought an FBI agent with him one time.
He now tells me that he wants me to talk to the United States Attorney.
I actually did put his full name on the web and then I'm not going to do that.
I'm calling him Agent Mike.
Mike is his first name.
I'm going to give them an opportunity to behave correctly.
One more.
Now, the minute I get a subpoena or I end up with these federal marshals at my house, which I've been told may happen, you know, grabbing things, at that point everything is going to have to go public.
But I'm going to assume maybe they just overreached and they'll rethink things.
I just tend to do things in a sequential fashion and I think we've outed the situation here and I have lawyered up so that they have to go through that.
Between you and me, there's nuts out there who do stupid things, too.
I don't really want to have his family targeted or anything like that.
Well, I mean, look, the government's already shut your website down once and then tried to shut universities down that were exposing public information about it, trying to stop the truth.
And, you know, this character may be just a useful idiot, but, you know, for the record, it's good to know who's doing this.
Well, he feels that, you know, if I talk about it, it'll alert the other witnesses.
Oh, let me tell you this.
I have not told this in public yet.
You get a scoop.
Not a small one.
One of the reasons I decided to go public, you see, is he was investigating a couple of other people who had some documents that might be of interest, or he said he was.
And actually, their documents are a lot more responsive to the Vote Here hack than mine are.
And so, I asked him, when he started demanding that I come in and do all these things, I said, well, have you talked to these other two people or asked them for their documents, which are actually responsible?
Well, he had not.
Now, originally, he said, you know, don't tell anybody about this, because I don't want the other people to know that, you know.
And if he's really investigating a crime of a hack into Vote Here, Um, that's plausible.
But then if you don't even go talk to those people and you don't ask for their documents, which are very responsive, and then you keep coming back to me, then we're up to something else altogether.
And at that point I just said, okay, you know, enough's enough.
If you were serious about Vote Here, you'd be asking for, you know, the stuff that I told you to ask for and who to ask.
And, no, they seem to be wanting my stuff.
And the stuff he's asking for makes no sense.
For example, he says he wants the web logs from my site during the time of the Vote Here hack.
Well, my site was shut down during that time.
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We discussed that it was shut down due to the debolt cease and desist.
Alright, my friends, we've got Dr. Dennis Cuddy, expert on the New World Order, joining us in the third hour.
For another 30 minutes, we're going to have Bev Harris from BlackBoxVoting.org.
Targeted by Diebold and other sinister groups trying to shut down our site, trying to shut down universities, exposing public documents about all the scams that were going on.
Now the state of California is talking about indicting Diebold officials and others.
They've been caught red-handed engaging in, their engineers have gone public, but this is just one company.
There's other companies, Vote Here and others, with former CIA directors and admirals on their boards.
Always, it's like a CIA reunion, basically, front companies, in weird fishing expeditions, nothing to do with Bev Harris, who's a corporate crime investigator and an award-winning journalist.
Just incredible what's happening to her, and they're telling her not to talk about how they're investigating, how they're, you know, they want information from her about a non-existent hack of vote here, the CIA front, And then they're always bringing up her other investigations, and basically trying to intimidate her, and telling her to be quiet, and now she's speaking up.
And we have her 27-page analysis of this at InfoWars.com.
Bev Harris, I'm going to ask one of my webmasters to mirror a lot of your site, if that's okay, because they brought your site down once, and now you could be raided any day, as your lawyers are telling you.
You know, that's why I've tried to make all the information available from the get-go to as many people, because this is a situation where we've got a clear and present danger to our democracy.
And we need to have everybody putting their shoulder to the wall.
Well, what we have is machines that were Constructed and enabled for fraud.
We have election officials who sometimes are paying no attention whatsoever to doing their due diligence.
They're simply listening to whatever the manufacturers say.
They're parroting talking points written by public relations firms, which were hired by the manufacturers.
And then they're running out and spending millions of dollars of your money, taxpayers' money, on these machines, which basically take away the auditability or the ability to prove that the vote was counted correctly.
This is the situation, and we've got conflict of interest at the highest levels of the companies that are producing these machines.
So, essentially, American democracy now is based on the vote, and you end up with a handful of cronies in a private company with secret software counting your vote, and you can't watch.
And you don't even know, by the way, if it's your vote, because you can't even see how the vote was recorded.
Hundreds of articles admitted were accidentally miscounting, or criminals running it, or engineers going public, or a wireless internet connecting during the election, changing votes.
I mean, they've been caught, these companies, all across the country doing this, and nothing ever happens to them.
We seem to be going through this phase where corporations are running the government and can do anything they want and don't have to follow the law.
You know, well, I won't say, I'll say big corporations.
Now, those of us who own small corporations, who are just honest local businessmen, we get nailed for all, you know, we have to do every single thing just exactly the right way, but these big ones just do whatever they want.
We've got them right, but there's discussions of criminal charges now.
Yeah.
And Bev, you've got a huge archive.
I mean, every week there's probably 15 new articles of election fraud where they catch them doing stuff.
But just take, you know, say five or six, ten of the big election fraud where they've been caught red-handed, these big companies, from Texas to Kentucky to California to New York, some of the criminals, public criminals they have working for them, and then the criminal charges that may be coming.
Then we'll take some calls.
Stay with us.
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So, Bev Harris, most of the people out there aren't ever going to go read all the hundreds of mainstream articles that are regionalized, where our boys are publicly being caught by people like you, our own employees are blowing the whistle.
I mean, we're talking about... We don't even have any idea, because you see what we did with We don't even have the procedures in place to even know what's going on.
But I went around and started visiting poll workers and election judges and I said, did you see anything?
Listen, I talked to an election judge down in San Diego.
She said her machines didn't even agree with their own self.
The screen would say one result, and the thing with the little ticker tape they print out at the end of the day to see how many voters showed up would say a completely different number than the screen.
Now, think about this.
Suppose you have a computer, and you have a document on the screen, and you hit the print button.
Isn't that kind of unusual that the thing that will come out of the printer is something completely different?
Well, also, I mean, I'm talking about all the articles we post, you post, where there's 10,000 registered voters and 14,000 vote for the establishment candidate when there's not even that many voters.
That was Sequoia Voting Systems, a little-known One that will start getting onto the radar now.
Sequoia Voting Systems, which is in Houston, by the way, I believe, is, yeah, there was a guy who was a technician for the company, and by California law, it's illegal for a technician to go dinking around with the machine during the middle of its accounting.
But he's outside the building.
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He says, let's see if this will work.
He goes into the central tabulator, which is counting 600,000 votes for the entire county of Riverside, puts the card into the central tabulator machine, uploads something, and the witnesses said you could see it was uploading because the little status bar was going, you know, across the screen.
Then after it was uploaded, he put the card back in his pocket, left the office.
These guys are chasing him, saying, what's on that card?
What's on that card?
He says, it's my personal card.
Then he gets on a plane and goes to Denver.
He leaves the state with this evidence in his pocket.
I think one of the California voting panel hit the nail on the head when he said, I feel like I'm in that movie, Groundhog Day, with Bill Murray, where I keep hearing the same lies from Diebold over and over and over.
They were caught back in October and November.
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Never to put uncertified software in the machines that they made up at the last minute.
They did it again in March, right before Super Tuesday.
And they also stepped up to the voting panel and lied about it because they didn't know we had a witness who worked for them who actually was told to install the uncertified stuff.
He came up next and I will tell you the cross-examination of Diebold that followed that was not pretty to watch.
Yeah, they pulled back certification and there's going to be a big decision today.
We're going to see what happens because the panel can recommend what to do and they recommended unanimously the decertification and that they turn Diebold over to the Attorney General for criminal prosecution.
The Secretary of State today has the authority to make some directed uh... uh... decisions and uh... so we're going to need some more news i think coming out of california today don't know how far he's going to go but this should be interesting and then we also have people like uh... senator heigl who wants the national draft he owns the voting machines that people vote for him on well yeah he and his campaign finance director and you also have the state of ohio who this is just bizarre now california has found that the tfx machine that was used by Diebold
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Yes, you know, I report sometimes what we're An official from Debalt was engaged in a Republican election strategy session with officials from the Republican Party.
He was in the session with them, and what he said is that he was going to try to bring the vote, the Ohio vote, to them.
Yes, and you know, I want to say something for Carlos, because I want Carlos to spread the word on this.
It's not well known.
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Harris, you can tell you're making a difference because they're after you.
But you know, what gets me is I work in automation, so I understand computers and programming and how that stuff works.
And I tried to follow a machine one time and I said, And I asked the voting official, how do you tell if that's accurate or not, or that it's not been tampered with?
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Oh, no, it's private software, so no one can look at it.
I mean, third world countries let outsiders come in and watch the counting, but not in America.
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So you've really opened several issues.
And I mean, and I'm not, and I know I'm going to get some heat for this, but some of the people that call Alex's show are probably some of the dumbest people I've ever heard.
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Why aren't they going to jail for committing fraud with these machines?
As we've noticed, it's hard to put a corporation in jail.
You can only go after the individuals, and the individuals keep skipping out.
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Torture in Iraq.
The police stayed here domestically.
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Before we do that, you know, Kirk in Colorado, I'm sure you're a nice guy, but just because somebody doesn't know what different radiation levels are or the different scales of that doesn't mean they're an idiot.
At least our listeners are trying to learn, trying to get informed.
I mean, the average high school senior doesn't know who the vice president is, doesn't know how many continents there are.
That's all by design, but they know all about Britney Spears, they know all about football, they know all about baseball.
We've been focused into issues of little or no significance.
And so this broadcast is about trying to get people to become focused about, well, the CIA openly running three of the major election companies.
No records.
Their own engineers going public saying it's all a fraud.
Their own documents saying this, you know.
Meetings where the reporters actually get tape recordings of them talking about racketeering and how they have to cover all this up.
There's a lot to know.
I don't know how a computer monitor works.
I don't particularly know how to change my oil, but that's about it.
I'm smart in certain areas, I'm stupid in others, or uninformed.
Just like I bet you don't know how to build a Saturn rocket to boost to the moon.
You know, we all have to seek after knowledge.
That's so important.
And a lot of Americans don't even think about, you know, where the food in the grocery store comes from.
We're kind of all in this big maze, not questioning the man behind the curtain, but beginning that journey of questioning is how we're going to turn this around.
Along those lines, blackboxvoting.org, if you scroll down, you can sign up for the cleanup crew.
The cleanup crew, we are putting people in, kind of like secret shoppers, we're putting people in as poll workers, election judges, and also a lawyer's hotline, a computer hotline, And we are going to be not monitoring this election in the old-fashioned sense.
No, this one, we are going to have some specific ways to call in immediately and get this stuff on record when we spot problems because they're all over the place.
And they didn't have a place or a way to report it quickly.
No, this next time we're going to be together.
I set out a call for 2,004 volunteers.
Well, it looks like we're going to have 20,004 volunteers, and I want people to sign up for this cleanup crew, because we're going to take back our own election.
We've got to do what we can do, and I will give everybody a job to get out there and report this stuff immediately.
Get it to the litigator's hotline immediately, on that day, so that we have We have something that we can do.
We can all get out there and do it, and I don't want people to go, oh, I won't bother to vote because this is messed up.
Now, our ancestors died for our right to vote.
We need to go vote, but we also need to go monitor the heck out of it.
Isn't it also, Bev, about getting past, you know, the average person isn't a criminal, so they can't imagine that the government, with CIA front companies, would be systematically rigging elections and setting up a fraud with no record.
Yes, they're organized crime syndicates, like pirates, using government mechanisms to totally loot the country.
1.2 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office, missing from the Pentagon.
Let me say it again.
1.2 trillion, no investigation.
And this is systematic, looting at the corporate level everywhere, and then they'll burn some nobody like Martha Stewart, because everybody knows her name.
I mean, that is a total... She is the equivalent of a jaywalker.
They arrest her while Charlie Manson is gutting people right next to her.
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Now, here Alex, I want to ask you guys a question.
I mean, Alex, don't you think it's going to take, for us to rebel and get informed on all this, and actually do something about it. It's like you said, the
new world order is going to collapse in on itself because they're pushed to the... people are becoming
informed every day and it's actually becoming to the point right now
where if they create a crisis such as another major terrorist attack on the United States, which we know is
imminent and is coming, that's going to make people panic. And I believe right now,
you know, people have kind of recovered from the 9-11, they've kind of got back into that comfort zone and they're
just kind of sitting around.
But if they cause another terrorist attack and people are panicking in the streets and it's worse than 9-11,
don't you think people are going to wake up and then they're really going to start going,
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That's why General Eberhardt's talking about how good martial law is in the LA Times.
That's why Tommy Franks and Chigar Aficionado is saying we'll set aside the Constitution for a military form of government.
That's why they're getting everybody ready because if Franks and Eberhardt say it publicly, then the troops will think, well, they were public, it must not be illegal, it must be good.
Well, I've always thought it'd be really interesting to do a massive LexisNexis search and get every one of the local obituaries, which is where you're going to find the obituaries of the people who've really been killed over there, and add them up.
I did that very early on in the war and found there was something like three times as many obituaries as there were reported casualties.
Yeah, and I think it's findable, because you see, they do put the local obituaries into the little local paper, and I think if somebody went around and found all those things, they would be able to prove it.
But, you know, and that's one of the things that spurred real protest in the Vietnam War, was that they had lied about the number of casualties, and then it was brought out what the lie was.
And really, really started to change the way the media covered it.
And that's why they're trying to cover up the coffins now.
You bet.
Rodney in Texas.
Go ahead, Rodney.
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Just last month in the Orange County Register, I had read that some of the officials challenged the dive boat representatives on whether or not the machines would work properly under real-time conditions.
And when he attempted to demonstrate this machine, It didn't work, but the officials had already paid something like $25 or $30 million for the machines.
Now you're telling us this morning, Ms.
Harris, that in the state of Ohio, they forked out, what, $139 million?
Nobody even knows whether or not these machines work properly, and I'm curious Well, let me stop you, let me stop you.
Okay, but what I'm saying is, these machines, I'm talking about calculating the votes, you know, with validity, but in any case, my concern is this.
Officials out of California absolutely couldn't get those machines to work, period.
Right.
But they had forked out this money.
Now, has anybody looked at the possibility That there are some officials paying out this money and purchasing or whatever and getting kickbacks or some kind of bribe?
Europe, according to Forbes and Money, owns the U.S., they use us as their henchmen, then blame it all on us while the Rothschilds sit around drinking their $500 bottle of Chateau.
And so that's what's going on.
The U.N.
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They shouldn't be talking.
There are a bunch of slaves over there, too.
You know, our government bashes them.
They bash us.
It's all WWF, World Wrestling Federation theater to make you think that there's a political difference.
Bev, haven't you found that both parties are just reveling in this election fraud?
Well, and the other thing is, a lot of the places like Washington State, where they supposedly put forth a new bill for a paper ballot, you read the fine print it isn't exactly what it says
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i mean the harris mainstream links coast-to-coast election fraud
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A bunch of thugs got together and overthrew the country, and now we gotta get it back.
Spain's suspects were informants.
And again, it turned out the police planned the bombs in the building that blew up and supposedly killed the other suspects.
That's admitted.
And now the Spanish Interior Ministry says that investigating reports that two suspects in this 11th of March Madrid train bombings were police informants, and they're the guys that supposedly supplied all the explosives and all this stuff.
Just like Oklahoma City, just like the first World Trade Center attack, just like the Omaha bombing in England, it's always MI5, MI6, Massad, FSB in Russia, CIA, it's the same thing.
Spokeswoman Charlie Cooper said later, that's all.
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We're at 722.
That's not true!
They said 800 a week ago!
Oh, man, this is incredible.
Since the start of military operations in Iraq last year, according to the Defense Department, Wolowitz, an architect of the military campaign in Iraq, was responding to questions from Representative Marcy Kaptur, D-Iowa, on the cost of the war.
I mean, come on, people.
It's just they're so used to lying.
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First of all, it's your son or daughter who's dead.
I mean, they've lost 85 in one week before.
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Again, the ACLU has been gagged via the Patriot Act from talking about their lawsuit.
I mean, that's who they go after.
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It says, activities once reviled as pornography keep creeping further into the mainstream.
Oh yeah!
And there's pornographic stuff when I go to Gold's Gym, which I might have to cancel my membership.
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Also, the government covering up the real numbers of our dead and dying troops.
We'll also be getting into that But first I want to talk a little bit about Oregon.
Out in Oregon, the police, especially in Portland, have gotten very, very aggressive.
And it's gotten so bad that yesterday we read several editorials with local news channels getting very upset about what's happening.
In fact, in one article, and we've got a guest coming up here in just a few minutes to discuss this, the lawyer of this poor lady, in one article, the headline of the Oregonian, even blind old ladies terrify the police.
She needed her 94-year-old mother to come to her rescue, and in the middle of the dogfight in which Eunice Crowder was pepper-sprayed, tasered and knocked to the ground by Portland's courageous men in blue, the poor woman's fake right eye popped out of its socket and was bouncing around on the dirt.
The cops aren't apologizing, the cops aren't embarrassed, the cops haven't been disciplined, and the cops still are insisting for the better end that they quote reasonably believe this blind old woman was a threat to their safety and macho culture.
And look, I'm a clean-cut looking guy, you know, short hair, white guy.
I won't even hardly go down to Sixth Street anymore because some steroid goon with more tattoos than Marilyn Manson With giant, you know, arms and a shaved head will come up and, you know, back when I wasn't married and have a girlfriend down there would start demanding to see their ID and saying, you look pretty good, honey.
I mean, I knew thugs who were bouncers.
You could see them the next year as the police.
Just bullies.
The same bully from the schoolyard with a badge and a gun.
And with unlimited authority comes unlimited tyranny.
Now, Ernest Warren is the lawyer, the attorney, for Eunice Crowder, and he's here to tell us this story.
We're about to break, but in a nutshell, what is going on in Portland, Oregon?
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There's been a public outcry of the excessive force that police use against pretty much everyday people like my client, Eudice Crowder, who was a white, 71-year-old, blind woman, hard of hearing, who hadn't committed any crime.
But by the end of the beating that they gave her, and as you had somewhat described, They charged her with criminal conduct and it was my job to both defend her against the criminal allegations and to get her compensated for the excessive force that was used against her.
We're talking to Ernest Warren, her lawyer, who just did get a $145,000 settlement, which I say isn't enough.
And just an amazing story.
Stay there my friend.
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all right uh... neil and john and shawn and many others
that are patiently holding we're gonna get your calls a little bit later in this hour early in this hour
Also, we'll be getting into this new Patriot Act legislation where they'll execute you if you violate their federal laws.
Also, the situation in Iraq as we track the police state here.
But listen, every day, I'm not just bashing the police, every day, I get an article where a family drives off, and the cops shoot the vehicle up and shoot the children, or blow a pregnant woman away, or kill some old lady at the wrong house, or splatter somebody for no reason, and plant a gun on them and get caught doing it.
And for every one cop that gets caught, I guarantee you there's 500 doing something wrong, because the culture's set up to cover it up.
But now, when they get out of control and beat you up, In almost every case I've seen, they go ahead and charge you with something to legitimize what they've done, and that's wrong.
I mean, if they're going to beat us, which I think is their right as our owners, that's okay.
But don't punish us after they enjoy themselves.
I mean, I agree that they've got some stress, and beating us up is their right.
We're their property.
Okay, I'm being sarcastic.
But I'm tired of being treated like a slave, and we're joined by Ernest Warren, the lawyer for Eunice Crowder.
71-year-old lady there with her 95-year-old mother.
Sir, you just won a settlement of $145,000.
The community's outraged, but for people that don't know about this story, and again, it's a long laundry list in Portland, Oregon, go over just what's been happening in Portland, Oregon, and then specifically what happened to your client.
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Well, what happened is, I think you should know that in traffic stops, two people have been killed in less than one year.
By the cops.
In one case that happened just a month ago, 25 seconds into a traffic stop for failing to signal for 100 feet before making a left turn, they killed Mr. Perez by firing three shots into his chest within 25 seconds.
And witnesses asked, why are you stopping me for?
And he wasn't aggressive and he didn't have any weapon.
And, uh, the police officer was just acquitted in a grand jury because he said he believed that Mr. Perez was going for a gun and there was no gun to be found.
And this is in broad daylight.
Uh, and there were several witnesses who not only, who actually, uh, uh, tape recorded the whole incident.
Um, and this and, and the May 5th of, of last year, uh, a young 120 pound 5'2 woman who was a passenger in a car.
We have a photo of her with her two small children.
She was pregnant.
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That's correct.
And she was killed by the police again for nothing more than a misdemeanor that one of the cops that had stopped her a couple of weeks before.
You know, you don't have to go to a grand jury to get a misdemeanor complaint.
The cop just goes down and Swears out an affidavit and then you got a crime against you, well that's what happened in the situation in arresting her from the rear of the car they killed her.
And the question is, she didn't have a weapon and she was unarmed and most men could grab a woman 120 pounds and get her out of the car without pulling out a gun, without pulling out a taser, or without pulling out a can of peppermint.
Let's go into Eunice Crowder's case.
On June 9, 2003, 11 a.m.
right before noon, Eunice gets a knock at her door.
It's a bureaucrat from the city of Portland.
It's serving her with an administrative search warrant to clean up her yard.
Eunice tells him, Sonny, I'm blind.
I'm 71 years old.
I'm hard of hearing.
Could you read this warrant to me?
I don't understand why a warrant should be executed upon me.
So you've got a blind old lady taking care of her 95-year-old mother, taking care of each other, and she doesn't lick this guy's boots.
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Could have got the teenager next door to cut the grass for probably $25.
But anyway, so she's waiting, and she's just sitting there, John, I can't believe this.
How could this be?
You know, this can't be justice in America.
And she's just sitting there, John, you know, thinking out loud.
Cop comes up behind her and puts his foot on top of her foot.
She can't see who it is.
He never identifies himself.
So she says, what the Hades is going on?
Who are you and identify yourself?
And he says, I'll ask the questions and hits her in the back of the head.
Which dislodges to an uncomfortable position.
Her right prosthesis that doesn't come out is just dislodged to an uncomfortable position.
So she starts trying to get it back to a comfortable position and the man says, oh you're trying to bite me.
And this is a guy by the name of Officer Miller who's about 6'2", 255 pounds.
He's a real man.
And him and his partner, Officer Sajak, immediately take this woman to the ground, grab her by her hair, pull out their canister of pepper spray, mace her in both eyes, in which the prosthesis comes out.
And then they beat her down, and she's on the ground with both hands underneath her.
At this point, her 95-year-old mother comes out and says, what are you doing?
My daughter is blind.
She's got a bad back and she's hard of hearing.
You wouldn't do a dog the way you're doing my daughter.
And the mace is burning her, so Miss Crowder screams, I need water.
So the 95-year-old mother goes in to get some water to help wash out her baby's eyes.
By the way, the newspaper reports that there's witnesses by now watching all of this.
Yes.
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And then Officer Sajak gets up off of her and Officer Miller stays on her and goes in behind the 94-year-old mother, Tommy Scott, and she says, get out of here, I don't want you in here.
And he says, you better believe I'm going to stay in here, you're going for a gun.
She goes to her kitchen, gets a two-quart plastic Tupperware bowl, fills it with water, Turns back around, heads back out for her daughter.
This is an obvious Al-Qaeda move, getting water for her daughter.
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And then, as she approaches her daughter, Sajak doesn't say anything to Miller.
Miller gets up off of Eunice Crowder for a moment and slams the 94-year-old mother with the water up against the fence, knocking the water out of her hand, and in his report saying that she was trying to Assault me with the water.
Okay, but you, okay, so then Eunice is still down on the ground with her, with her arms underneath her body wondering what is, you know, what is going on.
So, I mean, it's not enough to just hit her once with something that'll knock down a horse.
We've got to taser her over and over again.
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Yeah, they taser her, in my mind, to their satisfaction until she's totally broke and almost dead.
Then they pull her limp arms around her body and handcuff her and then yell at her to get up And she says, I bet you wouldn't yell at your mom like that.
And Miller yells back, my mom is 74.
She says, well, I'm 71.
And then they put her in the police car, take her down and charge her with the crimes of harassment, which is which in Oregon is attempted assault of a police officer and disobeying a police order.
Well, what happened was we had to go to trial on these charges.
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and And I was just talking to Mr. Warren during the break, and he talked about how law enforcement is a growth industry, how they're very arrogant in Portland because they have a strong police union,
They're not held accountable.
And I'm seeing an acceleration of the arrogance, the hatred of the population.
They've militarized the police.
It's now an us-against-them mentality.
And this is a major sign of tyranny.
So now they beat this old woman up, this blind old woman up.
Tasered her five times.
Not four, I'm sorry.
The number was worse.
And then they go ahead and charge her with attempted assault and some other stuff.
So now it's going to trial.
How did you handle this, Mr. Warren?
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Well, of course we filed a civil complaint under 42 United States Code 1983 in Federal District Court in Oregon for excessive force as the criminal case was proceeding along.
And we just go to trial.
We make our opening statement, not A little bit.
We gave you a nutshell of that.
They were pretty overwhelmed by that.
We cross-examined them and got them to admit they never identified themselves.
They only had one thing in mind.
That was taking Eunice Crowder down as if she was a criminal.
And it was clear under the law that she had not attempted to assault them or harass them or annoy them and that she hadn't disobeyed any police order.
And Maester in both eyes and the prosthesis comes out.
Well, I mean, they totally had any disregard for her and they totally humiliated her and that's the place where they want to go in every encounter with a citizen.
I mean, you know, it wasn't like the old days when you had, I mean, you could really look to a cop and see that this was a man of genuine respect.
I mean, you look at him now and you want to keep your hands out in front of him so you don't get shot.
Here's a quote out of a news article by Steve Dunn of the Oregonian.
Eustace Crowder, you see, didn't follow orders.
Eunice was uncooperative, worried a city employee was hauling away a family heirloom, a 90-year-old red toy wagon.
She had the nerve to field her way towards the trailer in which her yard debris was being tossed.
You know, this is such an illustration.
It's not one horror story.
It's not isolated.
I mean, we have cases where they raid whole neighborhoods looking for drugs, find no drugs, shovel ladies down to fire ant beds, laugh at them, you know, go in people's houses, pull out their Playboys, laugh at them.
You know, it's just getting crazier.
These are sadistic gang members with guns and badges!
Well, what happened in the trial is, of course, in the criminal trial, The judge, after the close of the state's evidence, and after me showing him, demonstrating for him, that Eunice Crowder is totally blind, dismissed the case.
He just couldn't believe it, he thought it was an injustice, and dismissed the case.
And then that happened on a Monday, and then on the Friday, Eunice Crowder agreed to accept a settlement of $145,000.
But the police are saying we didn't do anything wrong.
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Yeah, sometimes they can't see the error of their ways.
I mean, that's the arrogance.
I mean, the city council said, well, I hope as we pay this settlement that they take this as a training Uh... event that you shouldn't go around beating up on elderly people.
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And in Mexico 50 years ago, They had special police units called Foxes.
And they wore black uniforms, black boots, a black ski mask.
The Nazis employed this during World War II in Poland and other countries when they would go around door-to-door grabbing people at night.
They would wear a black mask with their helmets over it.
So today when the SWAT teams wear the black mask, that's part of being the enforcers, the inquisitors, the secret police.
And we have that going on here in America.
You know, the executioners of old do this, and they cover their identities, they cover their badges, at least here in Austin and many other areas of the country, and they treat us like we're a foreign enemy or they're an occupying power.
And we're talking to Ernest Warren, the lawyer for this little old lady, Eunice Crowder, and her and her 95-year-old mama got beat up pretty bad and then charged.
The judge, thank God, threw the case out.
But the police are still strutting around talking about how poor they are, and how they're under attack, and boy, they sure get treated bad.
I mean, look, people!
You're not, you know, better than a little old lady!
And before we go to these calls, I would ask the callers, I know some of you were holding before our guest was on, try to address this subject and you can bring up whatever you want.
Before we do that, you talked about the phenomenon in your city of them bringing in police from other communities.
Please expand on that.
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Well, I mean, I just never really understood why they would go all around the country to bring in people that basically are robots, rather than going to... Every time they put out for recruiters, a whole bunch of people from the community Go to apply.
I mean, people that grew up in this neighborhood, people that know the neighborhood and 99% of them never get chosen.
Most of those being hired just got back from Iraq.
And they've been shoving old ladies around.
They've been beating people up.
They've been, you know, pulling their guns at checkpoints and knowing people down.
In a lot of these cases, I'm not against the troops, folks, but you don't take them from gun confiscation and checkpoint detail, again, in Fallujah or Baghdad, and then put them on our streets.
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Well, I bet you that's probably what's going on, but it certainly doesn't make sense to me.
I mean, I'm certain that if a community cop had known Elderly 71-year-old Eunice Crowder, he would have said, Ma'am, now what's going on?
Instead of, I'll ask the questions and knocking her upside the head.
Whatever happened to being respectful to old ladies even if they are cranky as their possessions are being stolen?
unidentified
You know, I don't understand it because I grew up in Portland and I was a boy scout and we were taught to help old ladies across the street and you know and so forth and help elderly people and I did and I just don't get it.
Did the police, Mr. Warren, ever explain why they tasered her five times?
unidentified
No.
No, they didn't.
I mean, you know, they never explained that.
Before I could get to that point in the cross-examination in the criminal case, the judge cut me off and said, Mr. Warren, I'm not going to give you a free deposition.
By the way, tasers and other non-lethal weapons are not non-lethal in many cases, and they're called less lethal by the industry.
These are actually training aids to get them used to using unreasonable force immediately, and then they're being protected.
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Well, the peppermace is pretty bad for an elderly old woman, too, because when it got into her nasal passages and down into her lungs, it ultimately scarred her lungs.
Yeah, I just wanted to give you a heads up on the new police state legislation that was unveiled on us this morning.
They call it the National Security Policy.
They're saying that the legislation's anchored to the Charter of Rights, which gives us the right to life, liberty, and the security of the person.
But then they're spinning it around and they're saying that the terrorists are the threat to our security of the person, so now they have to take our liberty away to keep it secure, because that's our right.
Well, if the grand juries weren't rubber stamps for the prosecutors, we'd have that with jury nullification, wouldn't we?
unidentified
Well, probably so, but, you know, what happens is the prosecutor gets in front of his chosen grand jury.
The other side of the equation doesn't get to advocate for their position to the grand jury, so they only hear one side of it and that doesn't get recorded and it's a secret so we don't know what they're telling the grand jury.
I just wanted to say that because, you know, it's not uncommon For law-abiding citizens like myself to end up, you know, being abused by the police.
But my point would be that the police are out of control in this country because, well, the drug war is one of the things that have led to all of this.
And then the drug lab certifies it as cocaine and they go to a prison and they take their house?
unidentified
Oh Lord.
That's horrible, but yeah, that happens all over the country.
You know, and it's the case where a person like this gentleman from New York gets beat up by the police wrongfully, somehow he should seek out a lawyer and try to challenge them.
Because you're not going to get the politicians to make a change.
The only change is going to be made through their pocketbook.
Well, I tell you, in most cases I see now, we're just a normal, and again I say just a normal white person, because if you're a minority, you're in even more trouble, and you know, just short hair, you know, groveling to them, but if you do one thing, one thing that they think is disrespectful, a lot of them will just beat you down, and that shows just, that is just insane avarice.
You know, you said one thing that was very prolific, and this is how I found you a couple years ago.
You said that first they'll do it to the black community, then they'll do it to the white community.
And what you're seeing is it's finally coming full circle, and it's happening now.
Fifteen years after the start of the, quote unquote, almost twenty.
After the quote-unquote war on drugs, we're full circle where everybody right now is going to be at the mercy of police.
And here in Denver, we had like a police officer kill two retarded black kids back-to-back, and he got a 10-month suspension, and the police officers held a rally on the state capitol to protest that this guy got paid 10 months with that leave.
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Didn't lose his job, No criminal action, nothing taken against him, but he just got 10 months without paying.
Well, I tell you, that's what happens when a small group, minority group, gets extra rights, more rights, super rights, and are protected by the establishment, the SS, the KGB, whatever you want to call it.
This is the norm in history, like the Party in China.
And look, this is my last point and we'll let our guest go.
unidentified
Let me give one point in too.
Sure, go ahead.
The problem is, it could be stopped immediately today because these city councils have the authority to place different legislation into effect to make these police accountable, like police review boards, which will actually be held by the citizenry, but they won't do it.
city council members will not do now nowhere anywhere and in any city in america
really good points bob Just finishing this story, I told it before.
I went to the store to get some frozen yogurt, and I had it in the front seat.
I had my weightlifting belt in the front seat.
And the police officer pulls me over and he says, let me see your driver's license.
I give it to him.
All of a sudden he pulls a gun out, puts it to my head, starts screaming, cussing, yelling, get out, get out.
Then he sees that it's a white belt and he says, I'm sorry, don't speed again, you can go.
I almost died, but I'm not against that officer just because, at least he didn't beat me up and go ahead and take me to jail.
Now if they see a weight belt or something and get scared, they're going to go ahead and take you to jail for something because just their overreaction means you must have done something wrong.
Final comment on that, Mr. Warren?
unidentified
Well, I wish I could have represented you at that time, because I don't think that you should have been subjected to deadly force where you hadn't been a danger to the cop, nor had you committed any felony.
I think the case of Tennessee v. Garner is very clear on that point, that they can't use deadly force unless you're a fleeing felon that's dangerous, or you're posing a danger to the cop.
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It's a war.
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It's a war.
And they ship in the drugs to create the crisis.
And look, I've never been against the police, but I've weighed through their corruption, their drug dealing, their whore running, everything they do.
And I see less and less of helping change the flat tire, Uh, you know, help him get the cat out of the tree, more and more of the other.
Police, wouldn't you like to go back to the days of getting a slice of pie and the free coffee and people waving at you and children, you know, at Christmas being given, you know, you know, the police set to play the part of the policeman when they're not playing cowboys and Indians?
I mean, it's totally changed!
You were once incredibly honored and bad cops got in a lot of trouble.
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You know, who thinks we're the enemy and we're bad.
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I'd also like to hear from police officers out there.
We've had police chiefs and others call in before agreeing with us, fire chiefs, you name it, but I'd like to hear from police officers who either disagree with me about this, we'll treat you with respect, or who agree with what I'm saying or have an addendum you want to add, About the mindset.
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I mean, statistically, the most dangerous thing you face in your life, Lise, is other police.
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