Alex Jones and guests Burt Moore and Catherine Albrecht dissect alleged RFID chips in new $20 bills that allegedly explode in microwaves, citing tests by Henry McHale and claims from AIM Global. While Moore suggests magnetic ink causes the fires, Jones insists this technology enables total surveillance, cashless tracking, and a national sales tax, linking it to his documentaries "Police State 3" and "9-1-1." The discussion expands to fears of merged police-military forces, implantable microchips, and government conspiracies regarding the New World Order, asserting that mainstream media suppresses these control mechanisms. [Automatically generated summary]
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More has come out on the Bohemian Grove.
Of course, years ago I was sent the 1986 to 1996 Annals of the Grove, published by the Bohemian Grove, the Skull and Bones occult offshoot in Northern California, where many presidents and prime ministers and CEOs attend.
I snuck in and got video of the ritual.
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It's aired on national television.
Well, now people have been going around online to rare bookstores and to eBay and other places and found more Bohemian Grove books for sale.
One of them with a swastika on the cover.
We know about the Nazi motif at Skull and Bones.
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So, more on that coming up.
Also, about three weeks ago, at PrisonPlanet.com, Henry McHale, who does a lot of great work on his website, sent us a story and some of the photos of a husband and wife who have sent us good RFID information in the past about how they were in a store and their wad of money made the store security go off.
Now, we'd heard this before because there is the old-fashioned RFID magnetic strip at all money since 1998 above a $1 bill.
There's nothing in the dollar bill that we know of, but fives and up, all the way up to a thousand, have the old strip, which they admit that they could scan and the police had systems that identify large amounts of cash with it.
We have the articles about that mainstream.
People still couldn't believe it, even as I pulled the strips out on television.
all of the white to the strip running through it a perpendicular and a pull it out of the light
well this family put a lot of twenties in the microwave and they
explore kind of started popping and catching on fire in the center of the
bill and so
of all those of what's his brother didn't have any dollars but he had euros
He put those in the microwave, and right in the middle of the Euro, it popped and caught on fire, and we put those photos up on the site.
They wanted to obviously keep their money, so they didn't let it burn completely up, but it popped and exploded right in the middle.
Now Paul's trying to find a video camera so they can videotape this happening.
Then, I took 20s, put them in my home microwave, they just browned in the middle, right in Jackson's face.
Then I put them in a more high-powered microwave, and they did indeed pop and start smoldering, and obviously I turned it off, but I didn't want to do anything dangerous.
So I got on there and said, hey folks, this is really going on.
About half the calls, half the emails we've gotten, and there's been hundreds, have shown that they do pop and catch on fire.
About half of the others say it doesn't happen, or they just brown.
It seems to be old microwaves that cause the reaction.
Well, Jacqueline McCullough, who writes for CNET News and a bunch of other big publications and has his own great website, he's been a guest on this show probably over ten times, has the headline here in this story, RFID Industry Tries to Debunk Exploding $20 Bill.
And it says, The Myth of the Amazing Exploding $20 Bill.
And I guess he's forwarding something put out by AIM North, An RFID manufacturer, so we'll read what they had to say.
I don't know about AIM North, maybe great guys, but I do know that the other areas of the RFID industry have put out this info, have claimed Walmart wasn't tracking you, wasn't going to put it in the products, and they caught them doing it.
I mean, hundreds of articles last year, this year, smart shelves with cameras that watch you and take photos of you and integrate it with the RFID.
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We're making huge sections.
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We're about to post something on InfoWars.com.
I'm going to add more and just put it all together in one giant area.
I mean, here's the new scientist.
RFID chips watch grandma brush her teeth.
I mean, what?
That's the new scientist here.
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But first, in this first hour, I want to get into this new controversy.
We post, literally, probably, I don't know, 500 news stories a week on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
My wife's the webmaster for InfoWars.com.
Paul Joseph Watson does the work on PrisonPlanet.com.
His brother also does some posting.
And I'd say we've got about a 99% accuracy level.
You know, the mainstream media tries to lie on purpose, we try to tell the truth.
And when we're wrong about something, we're the first to admit it.
But I don't believe we're wrong about this exploding, or popping, we should say, $20 bill story.
And we're posting.
We already have it all on the site.
We're posting it all in one place.
The articles about the U.S.
government plan to put RFID in the money that they claimed two years ago.
The articles about the EU saying they're going to put RFID in the money.
We're posting all of that because... Henry McHale, three weeks ago, sent us an email and some photos.
Because he knows we're into RFID.
He's got a big website.
He's a PhD.
In psychology up in Canada.
And he says, yeah, I got sent these photos and this article about these exploding $20 bills.
Well, my webmasters are over in England for Present Planet.
And then they stuck their pounds in the microwave, didn't pop, didn't catch on fire.
So they go, well, we don't have any dollars, any new 20s.
They had some dollars, they said, but no new 20s.
You know, the new pink ones, the new pink and blue ones.
Let's go ahead and stick in there some of these new Euros we just got when we visited France.
Now within three seconds they popped, fizzled, sparked, smoked and burned little holes right in the middle, same
spot the 20s do that.
And so they posted that too.
So, I then said, after we get emails, calls, we did that.
Day one we posted it.
Millions of people were going to it.
Thousands of prominent websites linking to it.
It was the biggest story on the net after it had been up for about a week.
For one day, after it had been up for a week, it suddenly became the biggest story on the net.
That is, that one particular story got the most hits.
They have websites where I can track that.
Just some little obscure article, we posted.
And some other sites, of course, posted it as well, but ours got all the attention.
Yeah, I put mine in.
They sparked and popped.
I put mine in.
Nothing happened.
I put mine in.
It turned brown on his face.
And I turned it off, you know, for fear of fire.
And we're like, yeah, be careful folks when you're doing this.
We don't recommend you do this.
So it was about 50-50.
But I would ask people.
On air and in emails.
Well, do you have a new low-power microwave?
Yeah.
Those that said they did catch on fire, do you have a high-powered old microwave?
You know the types that are at convenience stores that, you know, heat up your item in like 60 seconds, but the one at your house takes 5 minutes to do the same thing?
Well, the high-powered ones, this happens.
Because I've tested it.
And my little microwave at my house just turned brown in about 30 seconds.
In a industrial microwave, that sucker started popping and smoking within 10 seconds.
And the one that Watson's brother has started in 3 seconds, and they didn't want to lose their Euro notes, so they turned it off.
And I'm still on air.
We don't know what's going on.
And we're trying to find the news articles.
I remember, I think it was Wired, or was it Scientific American?
I can't remember, but there was an article about a year and a half ago about the new colored money coming out, which people didn't even believe by the way then.
Even though I had the Federal Reserve documents on it, and it showed, I think it was over 10 different security features.
If somebody finds that, send it to tips and info wars dot com.
We've been doing searches, but ran out of time before show time, because I just learned of this Declan McCullough piece, or him forwarding what an RFID company said about us 30 minutes before I drove to the studio.
So, again, This is important, because they say they're putting the RFID in, they say it's going on, they pointed out, quote, hidden security features, and in the same article said, last year, about a year and a half ago, that there are other features that they won't tell us about.
Then we read articles about how they want to put RFID in it.
So we don't know!
I just know I put them in one microwave, they turn brown, right in the center, put another one, they catch on fire.
Now that's what happened, and I said I was going to videotape it, but I've been so busy I haven't.
Now, obviously, I'm going to.
But if somebody in Europe wants to videotape it and send us the video clip, we'll post it on our servers, on our dime, because Watson's brother has a video camera, but not one with a firewire in it, so we can get it into the computer.
We need to, I guess somebody there in their area of England needs to get with them so we can videotape that there.
They've got some more Euros they'll put back in because within seconds those babies go off.
And the EU again said, what, two years ago that by, well, this year or next year they'd be putting them in and lo and behold, what is in there?
Very interesting.
Now coming up in about 15 minutes, We've got Catherine Albrecht coming on, who's got the No Cards website and the No RFID Card site.
She's been attacked by the big RFID makers.
She's gotten emails, it's been in the newspaper, it's come out, where the RFID industry's been wanting to go after her and smear her.
And everything she said two, three years ago has now been in the mainstream news, that they plan to put RFIDs in all the products, tracking traces at the Pentagon and Homeland Security are involved, that all of this is going on.
And I point you to the new scientist from yesterday, because she said this three years ago, I said this three years ago.
Tex Mars wrote a book about this in 1996.
It was published in 96, written in 95.
Project Lucid, we carry it on the website.
That baby's eight years old now, and he laid out the official federal plans in that.
RFID chips Watch grandma brush teeth, and I just want to ask AMI North, the RFID maker and others, is this not true either?
You want to go after the new scientist?
It says tiny computer chips that emit unique radio frequency IDs could be slapped on toothbrushes, chairs, and even toilet seats to monitor elderly people in their own homes.
I read articles a month ago about putting them in the pills.
Data harvested from the RFID chips would reassure family and caregivers that an elderly person was taking care of themselves.
For example, taking their medication.
Usual data patterns would provide an early warning that something was wrong.
They say the kids have to thumb scan in thousands of school districts now for five years.
And now to get on school buses is starting in Florida and New York.
To quote, track their activities and are they not getting on the bus?
Are they not eating proper food?
Should CPS be called?
It's all part of it.
Two states, New York and New Mexico, about to pass laws.
You've got to have a breathalyzer automatically in your car.
All of us guilty until proven innocent.
I mean, we've proven what we're talking about.
I don't know about RFIDs.
I know these bills catch on fire.
Okay?
And I know they said they're going to put them in them.
And I know RFIDs explode in a microwave.
So again, A group of Intel researchers demonstrated the technology to U.S.
government officials in Washington, D.C.
on Tuesday.
The event aimed to show how embedded wireless chips could help tackle the care problems created by the rapidly rising number of senior citizens.
Such networks have already been deployed to monitor the environment and scan for empty parking lots.
You hear that?
This technology could enable people to age in their homes with greater dignity, safety, and independence.
Yeah, right.
Now we can have the new elderly CPS come grab them and euthanize them.
And it goes on.
As we live for longer, the proportion of the population that is elderly is growing quickly.
As a result, the health system is facing a collapse.
And it says, probabilistic reasoning, whatever that means.
Intel Solution, big computer company, chip country company, requires an elderly person to wear a glove embedded with an RFID reader the size of two AA batteries.
The reader clocks any triggered object that the person touches and wirelessly transmits their unique ID to a central PC which records it in real time.
So, there is that article and it goes on and on and on and on about how wonderful it is.
So, again, Walmart, before there was heat on this three years ago in USA Today, said everything you buy will be tracked and traced.
It will be in all products.
RFID Industries have put out pictorial representations and PowerPoint presentations showing the RFID at the factory, to the warehouse, to the store, to your home, to, of course, you guessed it, the landfill.
By the way, Paul, post that, too, in the expose you're building on PrisonPlanet.com, and I know my wife's putting one together right now for InfoWars.com, as well.
You need to integrate those two stories.
And send your mainstream stories that you want to be added, folks, to tips at InfoWars.com or you can go to PrisonPlanet.com and go to the contact info and email Paul.
Because I'm angry about this because, well, I need to read the press release of AIM North President Dan Mullen.
We're going to try to get him on the show.
And again, Declan McCullough, who I think is a good guy, he sent out their press releases in email.
He writes for some of the biggest industry technology publications.
Headline, RFID Industry Tries a Debunked Exploding $20 Bill.
That's Declan's headline.
We're trying to get Declan on too right now.
And we got Albert coming on here in about 10 minutes.
And it says, The Myth of the Amazing Exploding $20 Bill.
Now, that's the press release by Dan Mullen, President AIM.
And it says, do $20 bills explode when placed in a microwave oven?
Do they contain hidden radio frequency identification tags?
Can the government track you through your cash?
Well, they admit the old scanner strip in the money since 98 does that.
We need to get that article and we need to take their press release and make everything they say a hyperlink.
That's how to deal with this.
Every word.
One website recently published an expose, and that's in quotes, about the supposed presence of RFID chip placed beneath Andrew Jackson's right eye on the new 20s bill.
This site claims that microwaving bills will cause the RFID tag to explode and burn the bill, thus exposing the hidden tag.
Microwaving an RFID tag will cause it to create some spectacular sparks and will cause it to pop.
They go on to say that when they put one in a microwave, that indeed did happen.
But without the $20 bill, just the chip.
We'll be back.
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Alright, we got Catherine Albrecht who's been falsely targeted by other sectors of
the RFID industry before.
We posted some of those news articles.
Everything she's laid out has turned out to be very accurate.
In fact, she's underestimated, in my opinion, the real scub of the RFID many, many times.
So she's going to be joining us coming up in the next segment.
And again, if you just joined us, Three weeks ago, almost four weeks ago, we posted some photos of a man and woman who'd put their twenties in a microwave and watched them catch on fire and then pop and explode.
And the question is, do those bills have RFID in them?
The government has talked about doing this.
We know they, quote, have some hidden security devices in it.
The European Union has said they're doing it.
We tested Euros ourselves.
They did indeed pop in the very same spot instantly, within three seconds, and start burning.
And so we're posting all of that.
Well, it's already been posted, but we're posting it all in one spot.
Some people put their 20s, their new 20s, in microwaves.
It doesn't happen.
It happened for me in one microwave, and not in the other one.
So it seems to be the frequency of the microwave.
But AIM, or AIM North, this big RFID company, Came out and said, one website recently published an expose about the supposed presence of an RFID chip placed behind Andrew Jackson's right eye.
We said that, you know, is that where it's at?
That's where the fire starts.
On the new $20 bill, the site claims the microwaving bills will cause the RFID tag to explode and burn the bill.
And by the way, the people discovered this because they had, they'd just gone to an ATM, had a bunch of 20s, went through the security door and it went off.
And they figured out that when they took the money out and left it outside and came back in, that didn't happen.
And again, the government admits the old scripts in the money can be scanned and read by different devices they have.
I mean, there is an old-fashioned RFID in money since 98.
That's admitted.
They continue, microwaving an RFID type will cause it to create some spectacular sparks and will cause it to pop.
They're quoting the website, the story the family wrote for us.
As a result, some people have begun wrapping their cash in aluminum foil to foil reading of the RFID tag.
In fact, placing a $20 bill in a microwave oven does not cause it to explode, burn, or affect it in any way.
Is that an old $20 or a new $20, buddy?
In order to determine whether or not there was a security feature in the $20 bill that would cause this phenomenon, you don't make it clear.
Did you put the new one in?
AIM North America tested a new $20 bill in a microwave oven.
After one minute on high, the bill was barely warm.
Next, an RFID tag of the type used by commercial laundries was placed adjacent to Andrew Jackson's portrait on a new $20 bill and again placed in a microwave oven.
After only two seconds, the end.
That's what we said.
Three seconds, folks.
After only two seconds.
Funny you got the same result.
After only two seconds, the antenna and the chip on the RFID tag began to, quote, fry.
After 20 seconds, the destruction of the RFID tag did set the bill on fire.
The area around Andrew Jackson's right eye, where the covert tag is supposed to be hidden, was entirely unaffected.
The attacks, the scans, are the $20 bill that was tested.
The burn area, the right of the portrait, remains on the laundry tag.
Due to the power of the Internet, the source of the rumor, And PrisonPlanet.com has been quoted internationally.
At least one article based on this published in Flemish and on a Belgian website.
Even a casual examination of the $20 bill revealed that there is no hidden tag.
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Yeah, the big industry mouthpiece.
One month, we plan to trap you with this.
It'll be on all products.
Next month, we never said that!
You know, it's like, uh, it's like Rumsfeld on the war or something.
They're weapons of mass destruction.
Well, I never said that, you know.
Uh, so, my goodness.
I mean, amazing.
So, I don't know if all the 20s have it.
I don't know if they're popping and exploding because of an RFID.
People sent us a story, we posted it, it became the biggest story on the internet.
Uh, for, you know, it built up for a week, one of the biggest, became the biggest for a day, and then went down from there.
But the point is, we posted it to have a debate about it.
And the fact is, governments are saying they are putting it in and are planning to put it in.
In a whole bunch of countries.
I mean, new scientists are planning to put it in grandma's toothbrush tracker.
They plan to make school children aware of these for, quote, security.
To be tracked by a GPS locator in the school.
That pings off the RFID and watches where they're at.
I mean, we have these articles coming out of our ears that the RFID industry The RFID industry will say one thing one day and something else later.
I don't know about AIM.
I don't even know who this group is.
We'll find out from Catherine Albrecht coming up in the next segment.
So please, help us counter this.
Go to our websites, get both the press releases we put out on this with the links, and email it to everyone posted on every website, every message board.
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She's of course completing her doctorate there at Harvard.
She started out many years ago exposing the fact that when you get discount cards, Uh, at the grocery store, quote, discount cards.
I mean, it's training you to get on the cards.
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You know, it's training you, and it's come out that a lot of the big grocery stores are selling the data, using it, using it to tell what people are buying to actually boost prices overall.
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This stuff's incredible what's going on.
Then she got into RFID.
I gotta tell you, Professor Tex Mars of Space and Aeronautics from UT, you know him as Pastor Tex Mars, went into the ministry 20 years ago.
He wrote a book, eight years ago, called Project Lucid, where he got the federal documents about how they plan to put RFID in all the products and track us and track children and old people and criminals, you know, the weakest members of society.
Here it is today, eight years later, a new scientist, RFID chips, watch granny brush teeth, for safety of course.
And so Catherine Albert got into RFID.
I mean, I remember three years ago, USA Today, saying everything we do will be tracked and traced, and cameras scanning our faces with the RFID, and the government reviewing it, and the stores reviewing it.
Frankly, Catherine is so meticulous that You know, I think she underestimates it many times, but she's been attacked by the RFID industry, different sectors of it.
Coming up in 30 minutes, and I want to keep her on with him, we have a consultant for AimNorth, a big RFID company, Burt Moore coming on the show, and Catherine, you're welcome to stay with us for that, because I want you guys to be able to have a discussion, but they put out this press release.
Now again, just so you know, Catherine, because we haven't talked in a while, You research this.
We got sent a story from Henry Mckell, PhD in Canada.
People here in the US, the money made the alarms go off.
We know the old strip is a primitive type scan readable piece of filament oxide tape.
That's in the new money too.
The Europeans have talked about putting it in the money.
The Japanese, others are doing it.
This is all happening.
They put it in, it caught on fire, popped, exploded.
My webmaster in England put it in the microwave, it popped in three seconds just as AIM says RFIDs do.
We posted that.
I put it in one microwave, a little white one we've got that'll hardly heat anything, just turned it brown, put it in an industrial one, exploded in three seconds, I turned it off, didn't want to start a fire.
So I have found this to be true.
I don't know what's in there, because it's so small we can't really even get at it.
But we know they're putting it in shoes and clothes, and people have been caught, you know, Gillette razors.
So, Catherine Albrecht, tell us about your background, who you are, and what you think is really going on here.
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uh... california there We're getting her up on the air.
Give us a little bit of background yourself, how you got into this and what's going on with the RFI industry and your whole take on this exploding 20-story.
I'm Catherine Albrecht, the founder and director of Caspian.
We're the folks who have been taking on the RFID industry for the last year and uncovered scandals around the world, everywhere from Wal-Mart and Gillette and Tesco in England, and most recently we're behind the big protest over in Germany about this stuff.
Well, probably one of the most interesting ones was when Walmart installed what they call a smart shelf, which we actually call a spy shelf, in a store in Brockton, Massachusetts, a suburb of Boston.
What we found there was that I actually went out to the store.
I had read about this and heard about it at industry conferences.
I went out to the store and sure enough there was all the wiring and stuff hooked up to the shelf, so I took some pictures of it.
And according to the documentation on the shelf, what it did is a customer would pick up a package of Mach 3 razor blades.
A hidden camera on the shelf would take that customer's picture, actually an up-close mug shot of their face, on the assumption that everybody picking up razor blades must be a shoplifter.
And then a second camera would actually take another hidden picture of the individual when they paid for the razor blades at the check stamp.
Now, we had found out that this was going on over in a chain in England, their biggest grocery chain over there called Tesco.
There were protests and they had to shut it down.
And then when I found it here in Massachusetts, right here on our own soil, both Walmart and Gillette tried to deny the whole story.
And what I did was I figured, how could they possibly deny this?
I mean, it's here plain as day.
But just to be on the safe side, I bought a disposable camera at the Walmart and I took a few pictures of it.
And later I was just astonished that Walmart had the nerve to say, you know, we don't have any kind of a shelf like that.
Gillette backed up their story and said, you know, we don't know what you're talking about.
This is after Gillette initially admitted it and later came back and denied it.
It was just the whole thing was crazy.
So I was able to take those photographs that I had taken and share them with actually a reporter from the Boston Globe.
And he blew the story open.
So they at that point had egg on their face.
And you know what?
The absolutely crowning piece of this whole little story was that their response, once they were confronted with this evidence, was to say, Oh, that shelf!
They have made some statements about our organization that were inaccurate, and we corrected those on our website at spychips.com.
I would definitely say that AIM Global is an organization that is very much pro-RFID.
Their role, I guess, is to be a PR mouthpiece for the industry and to say positive things about RFID and to try to defuse any kind of scandal or negative taint that comes over the industry.
Yeah, I think Michelin is probably, at this point, the most egregious offense happening right here in the United States because all of the other trials have been stopped.
We've pretty much routed them out of the retail stores.
And let's make it clear, they said they're going to put it, Walmart told the industries, they're the one in, what, 86 who finally got the barcode standardized.
They're telling all of their suppliers, we want it.
The Pentagon came out last year and said, if you're going to sell to us, you've got to have it.
Then they try to deny it.
I mean, there's an industry PowerPoint presentation that shows an image of it from at the factory to the warehouse to the store to
your home to the landfill and they still try to deny what they're
Ma'am, you found the public document that they actually leaked out and became public, where they said that 78% of people don't like this, but they're passive and we've just got to do it and they'll just submit.
Absolutely, it's really disgusting what they were writing back in those days.
What has happened since, Alex, I think, is Well, once they tried to go public with this, they met with so much public resistance because of that 78% majority, and that's a vast majority of people, who have time after time made it very clear to the industry that they do not want to be tracked through the products and services that they buy.
So what they've done is, rather than retreat altogether, they've said, well, what we'll do in the next couple of years is we will make our focus on supply side inventory control, moving things from warehouses and factories and back rooms.
The consumer will never even need to see these products, at least at the present moment.
Now, if you dig a little deeper into their documentation, they absolutely have long-term plans to put these on every physical item.
And so by Walmart and the Pentagon making their suppliers do this, it is building the infrastructure.
Then you have the meeting last year with Ridge and the CEOs where they, where the CEOs say we want this for Homeland Security, so we have the link established.
The Director of Homeland Security, Tom Ridge, did meet With the directors of the Auto ID Center.
We're not quite sure what they discussed in that meeting, but I think we can pretty much surmise that there are definitely Homeland Security interests involved.
Yeah, you know Alex, to be honest with you, it's been about a year since that one, and that's not one that I have pursued, but there definitely was talk about the Holy Grail and And they had deputized evangelists at one of these events that would go out and talk about the benefits of RFID to business executives.
So there definitely has been quite a bit of, I think, kind of strange religious terminology with regard to this.
One thing I think is fairly certain, though, is that billions of dollars stand to be made from this technology.
And to the extent that they can get consumers to accept it, or perhaps Have it slipped into their environment and not be aware of it.
I think that obviously there's money to be made by doing that.
What we're pushing for is saying that right now we run a very serious risk.
And Alex, I'm sure you get a lot of these packages in the mail from people who say, I shopped at my local Target and I think there's an RFID tag on my DVD that I bought, or this tag was in the pocket of the new pants that I bought.
And so people mail us these things.
And the problem is that there's really no way for the average consumer to know, is that an RFID tag?
Well, I want to get back just briefly to RFIDs and the money.
Now, when they came out with the new 20s last year, there were news articles showing all the new security measures, anti-counterfeiting measures, and they had different areas, and then they also mentioned there are several classified security measures that we won't tell you about in the money.
And all I know is we got this story sent to us by listeners, We stuck Euros, because again my webmaster in England over there, stuck Euros in, right in the middle, it popped in three seconds, started burning, and we have those photos up.
I stuck money in, and one microwave it browned, and another it popped and caught on fire.
And again, I don't have a scientific lab, I don't know, but my old twenties don't do this, Catherine, so I don't know what's going on.
Well, and I'm afraid to say, join the club, because I think most people looking into this $20 bill story have said, well, there's no, as far as I'm concerned, I haven't seen any real definitive evidence that there is RFID.
in the current twenty dollar bill.
So I, you know, I'm a person I really do need to see that absolutely irrefutable evidence.
Well the EU said they're doing it, the EU said they're doing it, going to do it a year ago,
and now the EU dollar pops.
And then I noticed when AIM put out this press release, the RFID maker, they said, oh, we put an RFID in, and in two and a half seconds, you know, it did pop.
Well, and obviously you'll have to talk to AIM about exactly how they conducted their experiments.
What I can say, and I think the bigger issue here, is that the government of Japan has stated that it will, not might, but will be putting RFID tracking devices into high-currency yen notes.
Perhaps on an experimental level, I think they were... I saw that months ago, yeah.
...within the next year to have that completed.
That's a very serious issue because If you do put an RFID device into currency, even if the read range is short, even if the read range is a couple of centimeters, which is what you're likely to see with that technology, what it brings up is the possibility that that cash will no longer be anonymous.
So now imagine you go into your bank or your ATM and you pull out a bunch of, I'll say this in American currency, you pull out a bunch of $20 bills.
If they were tagged with RFID, It would be possible to capture those tag numbers and link them to your identity.
The Federal Reserve Policy Board of Virginia said That they could already use the magnetic strip that was already being put in the money starting in 98, that long strip you can pull out, to scan at the bank and at stores the history of the transactions, and that if you didn't keep the money in the bank, they could then devalue it over a year.
Now, that's the Federal Reserve.
Number one, were you aware of that?
And number two, I mean, that is a form of tracking right there.
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Well, our government hasn't come out specifically to say that.
I would absolutely agree with you, Alex, because there has been quite a bit of discussion about putting these RFID devices into everything.
And so I think the bigger question is, you know, what responsibility does the U.S.
government and the Federal Reserve Bank and the folks involved in our currency have to let us know what they're doing?
And why is it that we as citizens don't feel comfortable to simply go directly to the horse's mouth and say, hey, are you doing it or not?
And, you know, what does that say about, you know, about their trust of the public that they probably wouldn't tell us if and when they got to the point of action?
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This morning I got up getting ready for the show, and there's this email that Declan McCullough forwarded to me.
We've had him on the show many times.
Great technology writer.
RFID industry tries to debunk exploding $20 bill and he puts out their press release.
Which I think, you know, the press release has some good questions and it makes some good points about how they put a tag in there and it did pop and explode in three seconds, two seconds or three seconds, which is what we found.
And governments have talked about putting these in the money.
This is going on.
Are they in there yet?
All I know is we got this email, this story.
I went and tested it in one microwave, didn't have it.
Put it in another one, more high power.
It did pop.
I turned it off.
I didn't want to have a fire on my hands.
And we put Euros in a microwave.
They popped in the exact same spot.
And the EU said they're going to do it.
Are they already doing it?
Do some of the new 20s have it?
Do all new 20s have it?
Or is it in none of them?
Maybe suddenly cotton in the center of a bill pops like a firecracker when you put it in the microwave.
But joining us is Burt Moore, and he's a consultant, I guess a spokesperson, obviously, for AIM Global.
Well, actually, we do have a lot of engineers in the member companies.
The idea was to replicate what anyone could do at home.
And so, since most of the people out there are not engineers, what better than to just take a $20 bill, throw it in the microwave, and see if it explodes?
Well, we're about to break here in a second, so we'll have plenty of time.
We appreciate you, Mr. Moore, coming on in such short notice.
So you conducted the test yourself?
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I was just going to go to your website.
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Going back to Burt Moore, And again, this is the whole exploding $20 bill story we put out three weeks ago that became the biggest story on the internet for one day, which we've never done before.
I thought it was just a minor story.
Hey, look at this.
And it just exploded after being on the net about four or five days.
Less than a week.
I was talking to Burt Moore during the break.
They tested a new $20.
They're at their offices, and they're an RFID company again, and it got hot but didn't turn brown, didn't pop, didn't explode.
They did put an RFID in then, and it did indeed do what we saw happen with Euros with 20s.
Some microwaves doesn't happen for some reason, some new 20s doesn't happen, some of them it does.
And I said, you know, is there some metal in there?
Is it some other security feature?
We don't know.
And so perhaps we should expand on that.
And he said, well, maybe it's magnetic ink.
And that rung a bell during the break.
I remember hearing them say, we've got to find the, it was a Wired News story a year ago, that the new 20s had magnetic security ink in them.
I remember that.
Could that be it?
I just want the truth here.
Let's go back to Burt Moore, then we'll bring Catherine Albrecht up to have a discussion with him from Spychips.com.
Burt Moore, what do you think is going on here?
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Well, to tell you the truth, I don't know, but I'd like to quickly clarify.
AIM Global is a trade association, and our member companies are the ones that are manufacturers and integrators.
And I did suggest that perhaps there is an unfortunate concentration of magnetic ink in there as an anti-counterfeiting measure.
The magnetic ink is would be anti-counterfeiting because it's very difficult to get the right stuff to make it just as it is the right paper, but counterfeiters seem to be getting more and more i created this now sir in your press release did you write
uh... i mean i feel it gets the flavor of all this is wild this is
unsubstantiated this is whatever
and i mean certainly you've heard about japan the e-news saying they're going to
do this i've got the article we can post when we have all right i have uh... i
have that uh... i have an article on it myself ok so i mean
somebody puts a twenty and explodes or you can't just on fire and pops
We do it, it happens in some microwaves, and we're saying, you know, exploding RFID.
Maybe it is the magnetic ink, but, I mean, certainly we're normal to be concerned about this, aren't we?
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Well, the kind of RF that you could put in there, I mean, the simple way to test, hold it up to a really bright light, see if you can find a chip or an antenna or something that could Technically broadcast.
Well, yeah, I have to say, I think the bigger question here is really one of, is it appropriate to be putting RFID tags in currency?
And that's really the question I would ask AIM.
That's the question I would ask really any of these companies.
Hitachi, Texas Instruments, a lot of the companies that are talking about these types of applications for RFID.
I actually haven't ever seen a statement from AIM Global on the appropriateness or non-appropriateness of putting RFID tags into currency.
So I'd actually like to get Bert's thoughts on that.
Do you think it would be an appropriate thing to do?
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It depends on The purpose of it.
If the purpose is to be a near-contact read to spot counterfeits, and what the EU is talking about is tracking organized crime, because they're only going to tag very, very large denomination bills.
500 euros, I believe, is the one.
Now that's how it always starts.
But if it's a near-contact read, in other words, simply to spot counterfeits, I think there's technologies that are better than RFID.
Well, Total Information Awareness Network, last year, before we got fired over it, said they want to track every purchase, have omnipresent knowledge, know everything we're doing.
I mean, that was in the news.
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I personally can't agree with that, and I'm sure that... I cannot make a policy statement for all of our member companies.
I don't think that that's what they're looking at.
Well, if you're not an engineer, and I mean this in a friendly way, because I'm not either, and I came out with this and was asking the questions, how can you test it and then determine that there's not an RFID in it?
And one of them is, is it or is it not appropriate to tag cash with RFID?
And then the second question is, why is it that we, as citizens of a democratic nation, are reduced to having to put money into a microwave?
to determine whether or not it could potentially be used to track us.
That to me seems like the much bigger question and it addresses a much more fundamental issue
that is happening in our country right now.
It is also happening over the RFID industry and we are seeing the two converge here.
The RFID industry has a year-long history and actually I can pull up documents and demonstrate
a three-year-long history of essentially pulling the wool over people's eyes and engaging in
a lot of secretive and some would say deceptive practices involving consumers who did not know
that they were being used as guinea pigs for RFID technology.
The broader issue here is now if to the extent that RFID is being viewed by governments around the world and potentially here in the United States as a way to keep closer track of the citizenry The fact that we would automatically assume that we would not be told that, I think is worrisome.
And, you know, why do we not have a representative from the Federal Reserve who is addressing these fears and concerns right up front?
Why is the European Central Bank, in response to very legitimate questions from reporters, Answering that they will not discuss security features of currency with the public.
That, to me, seems to be the broader question.
We should not have to be burning up $20 bills left and right to get answers to these questions.
Well, my webmaster, his brother had him from visiting France, stuck him in the microwave, and in about three seconds, pop, boom, catch on fire.
I mean, and we've got the EU saying they're planning to do it, so I don't, I mean, could this be some type of beta testing, Burt Moore, by the Federal Reserve, by the EU, that they haven't announced in some of the bills, and that's why some of them do it and some don't?
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Well, let me go back and answer one of Catherine's points.
I think the point is not, I agree with the point, should we be concerned about the government tagging?
Let's leave the Technology aside, because as you point out, we could use magnetic strike.
We could use a variety of things.
So let's take RFID out of the equation and say, should we be tagging at all?
That is a very legitimate question, and I am going to leave that to the policymakers to explain.
Catherine brings up some good points.
Why are people not responding?
As far as I say, we're not going to comment on security features.
To an extent, that's true.
You know, if you're going to be a counterfeiter, wouldn't it be nice to be able to log on to the European Bank website and find out all the security features that you have to counterfeit?
But should we be concerned?
Should we be concerned that we have to be concerned about this?
Yeah, in part, I think the bigger question, though, is absolutely, and I would support a government saying, well, you know, we're not going to give you, we're not going to publish the specs of our hologram.
On our website, you can download it and replicate it at home.
I think it's a very different question, though, and one that goes far beyond authentication and counterfeiting.
If cash becomes trackable and loses its fundamental feature in today's financial world, and that is the fact that cash is the only remaining payment method left to us that is anonymous.
And I am sure that the powers that be, that the Admiral Poindexter and the other folks who would like to institute these total information awareness programs would love to eliminate the anonymity of cash.
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is scary with government involvement is big brother do i think that you know it wouldn't have some applications
i think you know that inherently it's evil
although i don't think guns are inherently evil but people can misuse
them our cars evil
No, but someone, a drunk driver, could use one.
And that's what we need to have as a debate and labeling, if RFID is on stuff, and it shouldn't be forced onto the industries in kind of a, I don't know what you'd call it, in a collusion by some elements of industry onto the manufacturers.
What do you say to that, Bert Moore?
Then we'll get a comment from Catherine Albrecht.
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Well, basically I agree.
The EPC Global, which is the organization that is commercializing EPC for the supply chain, is developing a logo to be placed on all items that have RFID tags on them.
AIM Global is also working on a generic label to indicate that there is the presence of an RFID tag.
Will it also state what that tag, capabilities are and how to remove it or deactivate it?
unidentified
I cannot speak for EPC Global.
The recommendations that have been already Proposed are that the tags should be visible, should be identified, and should be either removable or deactivated.
Because if I've got one article, I've got a thousand where they were saying five years ago, three years ago, that it was going to be woven into clothes.
unidentified
Yeah, it's, that's somewhere in the future you might be able to do that.
Catherine Holbrook comments to what he's saying, and then I've got a business owner.
I remember when this came out last year, and I'm trying to find it, but the business owner has it, where they told business owners about what's in the new 20.
Well, this idea of coming up with a logo is a fascinating one, and I think in part it's in response to some legislation that's recently been proposed in three states, California, Utah, and Missouri.
All three of which are looking to move forward with legislation that actually Kastian had authored called the RFID Right to Know Act of 2003.
Both the Utah and Missouri legislation were patterned after our sample legislation.
Yes there was and it's interesting because up in Utah they actually got an amendment to the bill passed through the House of Representatives in the state of Utah.
This was industry lobbyists.
I'm not sure if AIM Global sent someone there or not.
Maybe you can answer that.
Essentially, what the lobbyists wanted was, we don't want to have to post your language for what RFID is.
We want to have the option of putting a logo on there instead.
What's so fascinating about this was, back last summer when we uncovered all those confidential documents from the industry consortium, Yeah, we'll make them submit.
RFID. You know, the things we talked about, people being apathetic and bringing people
Do you want to go ahead in the minute we've got before we break and respond to what she just said?
unidentified
Actually, no.
AIM did not send a lobbyist.
AIM is drafting a policy statement that does say that personal information should never be associated with a tag.
On the tag, what happens in a database, we can't control.
But, basically, we're going to be drafting an official policy statement along the lines of the legislation that you proposed, because a lot of that stuff is perfectly good common sense.
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Danny in Tennessee says he's a restaurant owner and got information on what's, you know, the security features in the new 20s.
I remember this came out last year.
And I didn't have time to dig it up before I came to the studio.
But, Danny, you got info from the U.S.
government on the security features in the New 20.
What did that pamphlet that you still have say?
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I got it about a year ago.
And, of course, it was a little thing selling the New 20s.
And I believe it was from the Department of the Treasury.
And I posted up on my... I've got a bulletin board in the back that I post New World Order info for my employees to keep them aware of what's going on.
And, uh, when that very first came out, I said, well, you know, this is probably the RFID tags they're putting in here.
So I started popping them in my microwave oven.
And of course, several of them popped.
And, uh, it talks about... I can't remember exactly what it says.
I don't have it in front of me.
I'm not at work right now.
But it talks about the magnetic strips and all the new security features and everything in it.
I mean, what happened when you... In my microwave, I've done it in my commercial microwave at work, and I've done it at home.
The commercial microwave, it basically just pops instantly, and it'll catch on fire a little bit, and I've got to shut the microwave off real quick, wait for the bill off, get the fire to go out, and then in my microwave at home, it takes a few more seconds.
Well, I really got to say, I recommend you don't do that, and I recommend others don't do it, because it's, again, we didn't do this up front.
We got sent the information, Uh, from people, uh, who were in a store, had just gotten a bunch of twenties, and it was making the security system go off, they said.
So then they said, my goodness, what's in this, and tested it, and it did happen.
And again, we've tested it, so has the RFID consortium group we've got on.
It didn't happen for them, didn't happen for me in a small microwave, did happen in a big microwave.
Do you have any comments, Burt Moore, from AIM Global, the big, I guess, RFID promotional PR firm.
So what are you going to do when a bunch of, I mean, a bunch of video services with different people going, I'm Billy from Kansas.
I'm Jimmy from Texas.
I'm Jeanette from New York.
And here's the video.
I mean, what's going to happen if all this gets brought forward?
unidentified
Well, I think the government is going to have to explain what's going on.
This is not a conspiracy of the RFID community.
Basically, the technology I don't believe it's extremely well suited for paper, simply because there's a chip, it makes a bump, you have to have an antenna.
If you're going to track money, do it with a magnetic stripe.
Yeah, you know, there's actually, if you do search for RFID and paper authentication or paper counterfeiting, just in Google, you will come back with a whole bunch of companies that have come out with other alternatives, because as... Yeah, they call it smart paper.
Yeah, well, as Bert points out, a chip-based RFID tag, which has the traditional chip in the antenna, I guess we can call something that's new traditional, That probably would not be the best application.
So, I would ask Bert, and perhaps the folks at AIM Global, and maybe some engineers out there in the RFID community, What are some of the other paper tagging technologies that may be more efficient or more appropriate for tagging something like currency?
Because I'm with you.
I don't think, I think the cost and the payoff would probably be way out of whack in terms of doing this on paper currency today using that technology.
But what about, you know, there's a company out there called ENCODE, I-N-K-O-D-E, which I would encourage our listeners, you know, just take a look at what they're up to.
They've come up with ways of making paper remotely trackable with RFID, putting unique serial numbers on them without even using RFID chips.
Basically, you disperse little magnetic particles across any surface And it creates a unique magnetic surface or signature when you hit it with energy.
Well, maybe if you put that on your website it will, because I think we're asking reasonable questions here.
I mean, we could be wrong about it being RFID, but I think, you know, I don't want to have this all be some nasty argument.
I think we need to get to the bottom of it.
unidentified
I would agree with that, and I am, as we speak, I'm writing an article for the next e-newsletter on this, and I think that's a perfectly reasonable question.
Although, I think perhaps the question that has to also be asked is how effective Tracking of individual bills is going to be.
Let's say I get a new 20 from the bank.
I give it to Catherine.
Catherine gives it to you.
You spend it at a convenience store.
Assuming that the convenience store then reads that, or it's read at the bank, I don't see a trail there.
There's been some recent articles, I'm thinking one that came out on World Net Daily recently, But there's a push to move us away from income tax towards national sales tax.
And actually, trackable currency would be a perfect enforcement tool for a national sales tax, because what that would mean is, you know, Bert, I couldn't go over to your yard sale and buy the sailboat out of your backyard for $500 cash and skip paying the, you know, what will probably be 20, 30, 40% sales tax on that.
Because somehow that cash that now, at that point, you would then have my $500 and go and try to spend it at Walmart and it wouldn't match up with you.
So I think long term, and we're not talking next year.
We're definitely talking way in a technological future here.
But certainly, if we move from a federal income tax to a national or even potentially a global sales tax, at that
point, then having cash be traceable would be almost essential to verifying that the proper tax had been paid
on each transaction.
So yes, and clearly, I absolutely agree with you on the infrastructure.
To put that into place certainly doesn't exist now.
But I don't think it's that unreasonable.
Most of the point of sale cash registers today, people just think of the cash registers of their childhood.
These have become very sophisticated computer terminals that are hooked up to databases and hooked up to the
And essentially they have more computing power probably than the computer on your desk at home.
So it's not far-fetched or unreasonable to think that a system could be put into place to actually track the numbers on cash.
And the reason why, Bert, that probably the government would be interested in whether you gave me a 20 is why did you give me the 20?
Was it in exchange for marijuana?
That's the kind of question that the government actually wants to get to the bottom of, which is the whole justification for making cash trackable in the first place, is to eliminate things like a black market economy.
Well, I agree with you about the whole national sales tax thing.
That's the fake neocon move and we're going to keep the income tax as a quote social security payment system and then bring in the sales tax that also brings federal control into all businesses and they've said they need trackable cash for that.
Well, I was just going to say that if, again, if you want to be part of an underground economy, then you just, you know, as soon as it removes once from the source, then it's untrackable.
Yeah, they can come and say, where'd you get this?
I'd say, gee, it's a $20 bill.
I don't know where I got it.
They can't track it, like I give it to Catherine, she gives it to you, they come to you.
You have no idea where it came from.
It could have been involved in an illegal drug deal or handlings ago and you are absolutely not connected to it.
It would be very hard for the government to prove that.
Well, yeah, I think the broader question we need to be asking at every turn on this is what pieces are we putting into place and how could they be used in the future?
And that's really what I've been trying to do from the get-go, and encourage the RFID industry to do the same thing.
Because most of these folks, and let's be honest here, Most people who are members of Inglobal, most of the companies and most of the folks working for the company that is this industry consortium, they don't have evil designs.
They're not looking to spy on Americans.
They're not looking to put a chip in your shoe and spy on you as you walk around.
I think the thing that potentially, though, Bert, makes your member organization somewhat dangerous to the rest of us is that they Perhaps don't recognize these longer-term concerns.
Industry's being sold at big companies like Walmart and the Defense Department are saying, gotta have it if you're going to sell to us.
And then the Feds are dancing around saying they want to use it for control.
This is the issue.
Listen, Catherine Albrecht and of course, Burt Moore, I appreciate both of you coming on the show and check out Catherine's powerful website full of key information.
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Very informative and we'll get to the bottom of what's going on.
Let's talk to callers now.
I've been holding forever.
Let's talk to Barbara.
Barbara, welcome to the Airwaves.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
I just wanted to say, Catherine did a very good job informing the people, and we thank her so much.
I really feel if you don't protest it now, you won't get to later.
My question was, and it's kind of important about the Masonic Order, I don't know if you heard about this or not, but there was one man that was in the paper, I think he was about 76 years old.
Oh yeah, that's very popular in some of the higher level initiations.
For those who don't know, by the way, we found other articles where other Masonic organizations, the Klan and other Mason groups, have accidentally shot people in the head too, and it's always found to be an accident within an hour and a half by the police, of course, who tend to be Masons.
But yeah, it's just very loving organization guillotines, coffins, skulls a bunch of other scary stuff you know uh... hungry rats in cages kind of 1984 style torture stuff and that was by the way all over the major new york papers last week and uh... this is what uh... happens this is the christian love of the secret group that wants to take digital photos of all your children and put them in federal databases with their new chips program
And, you know, imagine if I started a group, or you started a group, where it was known we had guillotines and shotguns by people's heads to scare them and, quote, get them into a scared state.
And, you know, there'd be police raids on it as a cult.
But this is all kind of grandfathered in, and the establishment are members, and lower-level masons don't even know what's going on.
Same type of stuff goes on at Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove.
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We've got a huge area on the Masons and the Occult that we put together last week for the website for the Skull & Bones Bohemian Grove Expo is added on Coast to Coast AM.
Frank in West Virginia.
Frank, go ahead.
unidentified
Hi.
Two points I wanted to make.
First of all, one issue that has not been covered.
I did an experiment similar to the one you mentioned a long time ago reported on the Power Hour.
One was with a dry dollar bill which had the magnetic strip in it.
Of course, it did the same as what you encountered with the metallic ink in the center of the
face.
Next was with water and it heated up, did not do any scorching or anything else.
But what I was concerned about was the strip along the side, about a third, a quarter of
the way across the 1,500.
magnetic strip you know that can be correct. That's what I was trying to see if it would deactivate.
I saw no observable evidence that anything had occurred whether it be in water on high power for a long period of time or dry without it.
Now if that were to deactivate I would at least think that it would shrivel up or do some other type of Change.
I could not prove whether or not that was deactivated.
Now, one more thing is, um, and that's the only thing we know that is actually a type of RFID or at least a magnetic strip.
I think that's similar probably to a magnetic strip or, you know, regular tape, whether it be VHS.
Now, the other thing I wanted to point out is we're trying to I don't see ways of defeating this.
Let's keep in mind that the only ones that have to benefit from this are the government, which is inherently evil, wanting power and control over all of us.
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With old 20s it doesn't happen.
The big industry group coming out and saying, you know, PrisonPlanet.com is You know, putting out things that are wrong.
Then we talked to the guy who wrote the article, Bert Moore, and he says, well, we'll have to get to the bottom of it.
Maybe something is going on.
We'll have to find out.
But he doesn't think it's RFID.
He started sounding pretty convinced when callers were calling in.
I'm a restaurant owner.
Put it in and it does it, you know.
We want to find out what's going on.
You know, I was sent this article by Henry McHale, who wrote up the email, you know, of the first people that tried this, and it happened to them.
And it happened to them because they went in the store, got some 20s out of an ATM.
Suddenly, they tried to leave, and the alarm went off, because, you know, they have the magnetic ink on the bills.
They thought maybe there's chips in it, because it had been in the news they were planning to do this in Europe and Japan, and our government's talked about it.
They've got a primitive RFID strip, a magnetic strip, already in the money since 98, so they put it in the microwave and it did indeed pop and catch on fire.
Then my webmaster's brother in England tried it with the Euros, same thing happened, same spot in the bill, within three seconds.
So we're trying to get to the bottom of this, and we'll find out, and we've posted a lot of information, and help us get these emails and information that we put together out to everybody.
It's really up to you.
You've got the power.
The last caller, and then we'll go to more calls and more news, Tim in Ohio said, you know, is this part of the beast system?
Is this part of the government tracking system?
And I think, clearly, some of the industries are trying to make money, and stores are having it pushed on them, or that is, manufacturers are, distributors are, because Walmart and the Defense Department have gotten together, and this is mainstream news, and have ordered their manufacturers to do this if they're going to buy supplies from them.
So it's very scary and very serious, and we need to have a major debate about it, which is what we're trying to foster here on this show.
We don't want any kind of a sales tax on a federal level because... They want to use the RFID clearly, the government, for the cashless society to do that.
Yeah, now, I don't want to go into the many reasons for that on every count, but beside the point, you know, well, you know, it's not, they're not paying twice as much money if they're buying twice the goods.
Now, he thinks it ought to be progressive.
You know, what if you buy a luxury item like some big boat or yacht or whatever?
Let me stop you and then I'll let you finish, Roger.
This is what I've said.
Okay?
Eight years ago, they had neocon conservatives going around pushing a national sales tax.
Ooh, it'll get rid of the income tax.
Well, I looked at the bills and the plans.
And again, conservatives will buy it because Republicans are bringing it forward.
They're going to keep the income tax for, quote, Social Security and FICA.
That'll be 14% for employers and 6.97% for people, you know, workers.
Then they can increase that, so they keep the income tax structure in place.
Then they bring out a 15-20% sales tax overlapping it.
Now you're up, if you're an employer, over 30%.
Then they can ratchet both of them up, and that brings federal enforcers and tax police into every business, annihilates any underground economy, paying the, you know, 15-year-old teenager to mow your lawn and cash.
You know, I mean, this brings a whole new level of control.
That's exactly what the feds say.
They go, well, people say, well, poor people will be unduly penalized because they can barely buy their food and, you know, buying stuff with sales tax would hurt them.
And they go, don't worry, you'll just swipe your card and it'll tell us who you are and then you don't have to pay any sales tax if you make under $20,000 or $18,000 a year.
Oh, this is great!
dollars or eighteen thousand dollars a year all this is great no tax
for lower are you know income people uh... so and and maybe even discounts for you know for
outright poor people for the federal subsidy
But again, then people steal cards, people get poor people's cards to cheat.
Oh, we've got to have you thumb scan to confirm that that is indeed your card.
And guess what?
At Disney World and SeaWorld and Piggly Wiggly and H-E-B, this is going in.
Happening.
So that's the control grid.
As I said it, I'm not bragging, this is scary.
Roger, have I not been laying this out for years?
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Yeah, yeah, before I wrap up, you gotta do... Well, go ahead and take some time.
Well, you gotta do more shows with experts on neoconism and this free trade of the Americas that the one-worlder burglar Illuminazis are trying to jam through by January of next year.
But just to finish up is This caller, or I'm sure you remember this, it was something like in the 10 to 15 year ago time frame, that they did put this luxury tax on yachts.
I think it may have been as little as $75 on a, you know, you're talking what, $20,000, $30,000 boat?
And that was enough, just that relatively small amount was enough to kill luxury boating industry.
So they, even the liberals had to pull that embarrassing tax.
And, you know, if I start ranting over the national sales taxes, because it's so bad.
I mean, it's like Bush's Defense of Marriage Act.
Well, I believe in marriage.
I believe in the sanctity of it.
I believe that they should not legalize homosexual marriage.
But Bush says, oh, same, you know, partners, same sex, you know, whatever.
So he's really bringing you gay marriage and acting like it's something conservative.
Because, oh, well, we'll say marriage is a different definition, but the same thing.
And then he goes, we need a con-con for that, a constitutional convention, where they could rewrite the entire Bill of Rights when that happens.
They already tried the flag-burning bill.
Look, I love the flag.
You know, I like the red, white, and blue.
But that flag symbolizes some idiot's right to burn it!
And the flag amendment would mean you couldn't sell Dixie Cups with the American flag on it.
Like my mama buys on Fourth of July, when we're eating hamburgers and hot dogs.
Yeah, I mean, it was like the Nazi Blood and Soil Act, where you couldn't, you know, have the Nazi flag in any effigy but a properly issued flag.
You know, it's like worship of the flag, but it had nothing to do with the flag.
Okay?
It had to do with getting a con-con going.
A constitutional convention.
And I guarantee you, if they ever get a con-con going, as soon as that happens, the military-industrial complex is going to launch a terror attack and rewrite the whole Bill of Rights during the hysteria.
My comment is, we can't forget that these chips can not only be used as tracking devices, but I believe they can also be used in conjunction with the multitude of computers that are putting on a lot of our products as triggering devices also.
Well, that's what they say in the New Scientist headline, RFID chips watch grandmas brush their teeth, they will report back to computers, wireless scanners, they will pick all, the government will pick all this up and then transfer that data.
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Oh sure, and we are paying for it, all of us are paying for it as prices increase at places like Walmart, where they're, you know, the government will get on board with them, tell them how great it is, and get everyone duped into believing that it's for the good
and then they basically we end up paying work and then things happen like uh...
There's thousands of it, there's already the black box in all the new cars for eight years, nine years, and they go in there and have all the data on you.
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Yeah, and did the manufacturer tell you, hey, by the way, that car you just bought from us has a computer in it that has nothing to do with your brakes, but It's actually a black box.
And so you're going 80 miles an hour down the country road, a deer jumps out, you spin, run into another car, somebody gets injured, and you get charged with attempted murder, which, by the way, they're doing.
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My point is, they're implementing all these things without even telling us.
They know who you are, and they're training you to enter personal data to buy and sell.
And by the way, at Walmarts and Home Depots and HEBs, after they get you used to the self-service for about a year, then the thumb scanner goes in.
It's already happening, bud.
It's incremental enslavement.
I want to hear what else happened.
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I know that.
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And they're trying to get rid of the minimum wage.
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Back to John in Tennessee, who I have to say has sent me a lot of good info in the past.
He's got this news story he's telling us about where this bizarre deputy is killed and then the son of the prosecutor commits suicide supposedly, but there's no note.
And the SWAT team shows up, and it sounds pretty spooky, but I don't know how you could say it's a masonic killing.
But though we know that goes on, tell us about it.
And now the DUI charges will have to be dropped, because there's no cop to testify.
Now, the Masonic Link, because that's the church the deputy was buried at, is weird.
And you tile this in with your interviews of Colonel Don DeGrand Prix and General Tommy Frank talking about martial law, and you get this There's a civil war going on between Homeland Security and the White House with Pentagon people.
Yeah, I don't know if we can say that, but it is weird and should be investigated.
Thanks, John.
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As you know, all the states and even national laws have a business and commerce code to regulate trade in the United States.
And offenders can be fined based on various laws, but the government doesn't really depend on the revenue from those fines as a primary source of income.
Now, when the ordinary citizen starts Breaking these laws that relate to the RFID technology and the national sales tax, just your ordinary guy walking down the street times $200 million, I mean this is going to be the government's new source of primary revenue and they're going to have to adopt a whole new body of laws or law enforcement agency.
Hold on to the point, you're going to have, look they say the new national sales tax will be shared by the city, county, state, and federal government. They're going to
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It'll be impossible to enforce. Wouldn't you agree?
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Go ahead, Gabby.
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Yes.
Hello?
Hello, yes.
Yes, I met you in Kansas City last May when you came.
Well, obviously if you've got an RFID chip, and I'm not saying do this, but an RFID chip out of clothes or whatever, you know, the big RFID group did their own test with an RFID chip, it does pop and explode in two to three seconds as we said they do.
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Uh, you know, the test that was done that we posted, uh... And you just take an X-Acto knife and cut the strip?
You know, back in 1997, I was concerned because in 93 in Texas, it was only like 25 states at the time, now it's 42, the other 8 are adopting it, the Feds, with a mandate for highway funds, had them put in thumb scanners and face scanners, digital photos, to get a driver's license.
I didn't even know about it until I went to renew my driver's license and saw it, so I didn't do it, so I went and got a protest going, came back, videotaped it, it's in my film, America Destroyed by Design.
And when I got arrested protesting, and I got hundreds of calls over the years, It was still a minority of people, but hundreds of calls on air and emails and stuff going, you idiot!
You didn't want to get thumb scanned, but you sure did when you got arrested.
You ended up getting fingerprinted.
Their mindset was me, me, me, or self.
As if I personally didn't want to do it, so I was there for myself.
I was doing it for humanity against tyranny.
It's like saying Rosa Parks failed on the bus because she got arrested anyways.
Well no, she drew attention to it.
So that was the whole point.
I'm not saying you're thinking about yourself, you know, because you're bringing up this question.
It's a good question.
What I'm saying is, is that those that made fun of me were.
But again, instead of just disabling the system or fooling with the money, what I'm saying is, go to the government, expose it, speak out against it.
Just like the RFID industry, they're now having to back off.
They're in a lot of trouble.
They're being exposed.
That's where the power's at.
Okay.
You know, so that's the point I was trying to make, is that we're exposing the system.
For those who said, ha ha, you got arrested, well that was the whole point.
I'm here with eight forms of identification, can't get a driver's license, because I got a thumb scan and it's part of a federal database for a cash flow society sales tax.
I said that in 97.
Now, what, six, seven years later, it's all coming true.
Unfortunately, because I read the federal plans, I read the federal law.
Now, what they also passed as law is urine and blood tests and you get a driver's license.
They haven't implemented that.
See, there's a lot of stuff they've passed that's not enforced.
And you tell a cop about it, they laugh at you until the day they put it in, and oh yeah, that's true.
Okay, and we're out of time for this segment.
We'll have to come back and take, well, no, no more calls.
We'll have to cover some more news here.
A few final news stories.
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And people are so tuned in to what's going on, and so receptive now to the truth.
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And there's thousands of other sites and hundreds that are bigger than mine.
You know, that are telling the truth and pointing out lies.
And we're affecting the government.
We're affecting and exposing these liars and affecting and exposing the mainstream neocon socialist media.
And so thank God, all the glory goes to God.
I mean, I pray for America, pray for the good people in America that are getting the word out.
You know, I thank you for all your prayers.
I know the reason that we've done as much as we've had is because of you taking action, speaking out, getting involved, praying for us, praying for our ministry, what we're doing.
Pray for our affiliates.
Pray for, you know, the folks that are out there fighting on the front lines.
Pray for those that have stood up to evil and have been jailed for no reason.
Pray for all the murdered unborn children and what they're doing to the old people, too, with the eugenics and the euthanasia.
Just get involved and be part of history on the side of goodness, and just get past your fear and say, look, it's better to stand up and fight these people than grovel and lick their boots.
But there's a lot of neutral people who aren't really neutral.
Through their subconscious cowardice or through their ignorance, they go along with the system.
They've never really focused in on all the evil that's going on.
And if we shake them out of their deep sleep, throw some, you know, fictional cold water on them, You know, to jolt them out of their mind control stupor, they're going to wake up too.
I mean, they're primed for it.
The ice has been broken.
You know, that comfort shield shell has been worn away and people are very hungry now for the truth.
And I'll say it again, one of the best ways to wake people up is my videos.
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We're fighting a bunch of degenerate, psychopathic, sadistic killers.
I mean, that's who the globalists are.
The world is in the grip of a satanic elite.
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I mean, it's time to get involved.
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Everybody feels it.
The awakening is taking place.
When the enemy comes in like a flood, the Lord will lift up a standard against it.
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Want to say hi to my cousin driving along on Manchac Boulevard right now.
Hi, Buckley.
Say hi to my wife and everybody else.
Again, I'll be back tonight, 9 to midnight central.
We will re-air the Colonel Don DeGramme pre-interview in the second two hours tomorrow.
In the first hour, we're going to have Erskine of Erskine Overnight with his great syndicated show.
He'll be filling in for me the first hour with the latest news and your calls.
So join us back tomorrow, 11 to 2 during the day.
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