The Alex Jones Show interviews Larry Pratt, Executive Director of Gun Owners of America, regarding
the Patriot Act 2 and gun control legislation proposed by President Bush. The legislation would
allow for secret arrests without a crime committed and potentially secret executions. Pratt
criticizes Republican politicians who claim to support gun rights but then support measures like the
Patriot Act 2 and gun control bills that undermine those rights. The host and Pratt argue that these
policies are reminiscent of police state tactics used in other oppressive regimes, such as Saddam
Hussein's Iraq and Hitler's Germany. They criticize the lack of transparency and accountability in
these measures and warn against the erosion of individual liberties in the name of national
security.
Well, the most recent development, you've already mentioned, I think, is the Bush gun ban.
He wants to team up with Dianne Feinstein.
And when we learned about that, our mouths dropped open.
What in the world would be the political advantage?
Forget the Constitution, because we know what regard that's got here in town, but to I would suggest that the thing that put him in the White House is now an issue that he wants to flip over on the other side on.
It was the perception, correct, that Al Gore wanted to grab your guns that made the yellow dog state of West Virginia go Republican.
And it sounds like the thing that did his daddy's political career in, saying, vote for me, I'll cut your taxes, and then raising them, it's that same lying instinct.
Well, it's very perplexing because both of them, I guess, got a little heady when they had a successful war going on.
Ratings are high, and Bush 1 told Republicans, when he wanted them to vote for the tax increase, just blame it on me.
Well, they did, and he took it right in the head, politically.
And if Bush thinks that his popularity will endure an assault on guns the same as a, you know, if he wants to team up with Charlie Schumer and Dianne Feinstein, not to mention Hillary Clinton, I don't think he's going to like the outcome.
Well, the advantage we had is that the particular individual that ended up doing this had worked in the Senate for perhaps a quarter of a century, and he now does consulting, and we're fortunate to have him.
He was able to look at the different areas of the code and there's, I don't know, three
or four different sections of the federal code that are amended by this act or added
onto and so you had to go back and look at the original language to understand what was
being said.
If all you had was the bill itself in front of you, you really didn't have enough.
My analysis is six pages long, and I give the subsection where they say, you don't have to commit a crime, we'll secretly arrest you, you'll never be seen again, secret executions, basically gun owners are going to be terrorized.
You guys have written an analysis that says the same thing, in fact even worse, can be secretly arrested, never seen again.
On page six it says, here's the bottom line at its lowest common denominator, a native-born American could be stripped of his citizenship and permanently and clandestinely detained in a secret location without charges and without an attorney, if he, and then it also says later you can be secretly executed.
That's what it says in the bill.
and uh... it can hear it says uh... basically is uh... engaging terrorist activity
uh... in the use of a firearm with the intent to endanger directly or indirectly
the safety or one or more individuals or cause substantial damage to property
so and that's just one section you found there are dozens where it says
any action that endangers human life uh... the gets your life in prison
uh... any action that aids terrorist unknowingly gets you secretly in prison
or executed i mean this thing is worse than what Stalin put on paper
building Oh, and then they say, oh, well, we're not really trying to pass this.
USA Today, last Wednesday, Bush wants DNA database for all, not just criminals or those that have misdemeanors, but anyone who's ever arrested, including a traffic stop.
They want to slurp your blood.
And now I have the articles from Oklahoma, from Arizona, from Colorado, where they say they're going to have roadside checkpoints taking our blood.
This guy not only is good at analyzing bills, he's good at writing them, and he's He knows the rules of the Senate, I think, better than any senator.
Several years ago, there was a filibuster going on that the Republicans were leading when there was still some willingness to try to throw roadblocks up.
Bobby Byrd was the majority leader at that time, and when he came into the chamber and saw the snarl that everything was in. He said, "I'll bet it's that
blankety blank" and then he named the guy that did that. He's the only blankety blank
that can get us out of this mess too. So we had a very keen eye looking at this and we're
very certain that what he has produced is right on. He doesn't miss much. One of the
things that he's good about is he doesn't give them the benefit of the doubt.
If there's any ambiguity in the language...
He has learned over the years that that ambiguity will always be exploited by the guys that have the most guns.
You know, I read the first Patriot Act, and frankly, I was one of the first people, like two days after it finally was made public, as Ron Paul said, they weren't allowed to read it.
They were told at midnight past this, the Democrats, Republicans in the House had taken bad stuff out.
The Democrats teamed up with Bush.
Schumer had the really bad stuff put back in.
Again, these two were probably vacationing together, literally.
And it passed and then I went in and looked at the section and on the sunset section it said there is no sunset and it listed the key police state provisions like 213 and others and and and you know I've made that point and now I look at the first Patriot Act section 802 says if you try to influence politicians that's terrorism well that's that's Gunners of America.
That's Alex Jones.
You know that's the ACLU that's anybody.
Then it says Or any action that endangers human life is a violation of any federal or state law.
Well, the new Patriot Act says in a subsection, we have this in my analysis, says it doesn't matter, Section 802 isn't strong enough.
We want everything to be terrorism.
We want to be able to grab you for no reason.
And if a cop tells the news where we took you, he gets life in a FEMA camp.
So, this is insane, Larry.
As you know, this is the very definition of tyranny.
We might point out that there's not a whole lot of difference between the provisions of this act and the way Saddam Hussein was running his little tyranny, or for that matter, the tyrannies of the last century.
This is the provision for a secret police.
When the police do things in secret, that is, by definition, secret police.
And I think we help ourselves to a certain extent by calling things what they are.
And by the way, there may well be some kind of a sunset in that first Patriot Act still because Orrin Hatch wants to take it out.
he's got a bill in his committee that would do that so and and that's a conservative republican
trying to do that uh... these guys are giving us a lot of challenging i'm
just delighted that members of gun owners of america are not
bedazzled by and
the popularity of the president at the moment. I think most of our members
tend to support the president on the war, but it didn't stop him from
immediately responding with real vigor to tell him that... Well, I mean, Larry, let's be honest.
And I say, let the Democrats in, because that will energize the conservative base in reality, and oppose the UN takeover, oppose this whole New World Order.
I think if we put George Bush back in office, he's going to do what his daddy did.
He's going to gun grab, he's going to raise taxes, he's going to do all this.
I'm tired of it.
I'm tired of neocons.
You know, Larry, on these big national talk shows, the big establishment ones, they won't, they will tell you you're a liar if you say Bush is supporting Clinton's gun ban.
I mean, it's almost like reality isn't allowed or something.
And I, for one, am sick and tired of it.
I mean, they want to secretly arrest me and they say for crime, not even terrorism now, and I disappear forever.
It's so much of a police state provision that's unbelievable.
And to his credit, by the way, Bob Barr, who did vote for it, now is repenting and says that it's a terrible piece of legislation.
This is Patriot One.
He's obviously had a chance to read it.
But you know, part of the problem, and where I might disagree with you, is that when you talk about the conservatives being energized, I didn't really see enough of that under Clinton.
to make me confident that that would happen if there were a Democrat.
And the Republicans were so supine during that time that they were letting judges go through,
Well, at least politically, I don't think they're going to be able to budge Tom Tancredo, nor get him out of office.
The problem that Bob Smith had was that he had left the Republican Party and said some strong truths about them, and then had come back in.
Now, others have done that successfully, but the first test is your first re-election.
Ron Paul actually had run for president as a libertarian and then had come back in and gotten elected and the party threw everything at him but the kitchen sink.
But he has his own funding sources.
He didn't have to depend on the Republican Party largesse, and so he was able to withstand it.
In Tancredo's case, he's been re-elected since taking his position.
Yeah, so I think, you know, if they want to fire at him, fine, they're just going to waste their ammo, and it'd probably be a good idea if they... Oh, and you've got Bush taking millions from known terror sponsors.
And we're able to communicate directly with the American people, and you're certainly an excellent... So you mean real conservative, real constitutional internet sites and alternative conservative radio shows that aren't the ultra-liberal neocons?
Well, I really do appreciate Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners America, joining us at the website
gunowners.org.
I appreciate gun owners because they'll put out an alert and tell you what the gun bills are.
The NRA won't really do that on most gun bills, just let them pass.
And I guess supports S-22 that will register all gun owners.
And Larry told us a few weeks ago he was on that it actually has a total information awareness network clause to spy on gun owners.
So it's worse than I had first thought.
And I guess I just want to punish the neo-con-Republicans.
I want... Because they're worse than Democrats.
They get more through than Democrats.
And conservatives go to sleep and allow it.
But Larry, you're saying that you've seen the real conservatives, the constitutionalists, get really angry about Bush's latest gun grab, trying to reinstate the Clinton gun bill.
We had more response to this alert by far than anything else we've ever done before, ever.
People were just, I think they were insulted.
Not to mention anything else that might have been going through their heads.
What in the world?
And we didn't put it quite so tough, but some of the folks have gotten back to us and showed they not only sent our letter, but they sent one of their own.
And it starts off saying, so why don't you want to get re-elected, Mr. President?
It completely neutralizes, to the extent that he succeeds with this, One of the more effective issues the party had to differentiate itself from the Democrats.
Clinton was willing to admit 20, but of course we never really trust him for anything anyway.
And we know it turned the presidential election.
Now that's a whole lot of power.
He wouldn't even be in office if it weren't for this issue.
And to go and embrace the opposition to it, it absolutely tells you where he's headed.
And I tell you, the thing that struck me was, he's really thinking like the folks inside the Beltway do, this whole Homeland Security idea, the idea that we want to ban Homeland Security rifles, which is what we're really talking about.
This is a response of a bureaucrat of a control freak.
Well, I'd like to continue along with this Homeland Security idea and show the mindset, what it's really... It's anti-individual citizen, anti-individual responsibility.
We've got some news on the economy coming up in about 30 minutes.
Also, what's happening in Iraq, the attack on Syria, and Rumsfeld's documents, where he says they want to attack North Korea next October.
We'll be discussing that later in the hour, and coming up in the next segment, we'll be taking your calls.
What did you think when you heard that Bush wants to reinstate the assault weapons ban, and all the stuff that that entails, and that he supports all these other bills that are going after our guns?
I'm asking the listeners that.
What did you think when I told you six months ago, I told you a year ago he was going to do this in 94, when the reauthorization comes up.
How did that affect you out there, and did that make you angry?
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Larry, how are things going with, I know the House passed a bill to block lawsuits against gun makers.
The antis will try to mount a filibuster, but I think that can be overcome because I think there are enough senators who, even if they're not pro-gun, they're anti-lawyer.
And this bill has a lot of a tort reform flavor to it because after they do this I
think they ought to come back for more put a cap on what some of these sharks can gargle. Well we've
already discussed that it's collusion and tracketeering.
And when you've got Cuomo, you've got all these other leaders saying, we're going to get the gun manufacturers, we're going to ban your guns by shutting down the manufacturers, death by a thousand cuts, eat the elephant one bite at a time.
That is the definition of racketeering.
They're saying they're going to shut a business or group of businesses down by discriminating and attacking them with frivolous lawsuits.
I mean, it's obvious.
They better give them liability protection, or they're now going to sue the hamburger makers.
They're going to sue Ford when a drunk runs over somebody in the street.
Or the Greens may well decide that they want to target a particular industry, and they're mean enough to do the same kind of thing that the anti-self-defense folks have been doing.
And my capitulate, when Smith & Wesson was owned by the Redcoats, they tried to make people sign an agreement to waive their rights just to carry their guns.
They were going to be a shill for the gun grabbers, but luckily we found out and defused that and look where Smith & Wesson is.
Now, they're slightly on the mend, but frankly, I'm not that happy with them because they now are owned by a company that makes trigger locks, and I really don't think I know when I would ever want to use a trigger lock.
If I don't want to use the gun for self-defense, I'm going to put it in a safe.
Well, I think that's definitely where they would like to go with it, and one of the things that Uh, so upset us about, uh, a gun with a chip in it, say, that it was an electronic device, is that that can be scrambled.
And then your gun is simply a three-pound paperweight.
Well, New Jersey passed that smart gun technology.
It was on the governor's desk in New Mexico.
California's probably going to pass it.
And then that'll set the precedent where manufacturers will have to make these, and then it's easy for them to pass it across the board.
We're very close to losing our guns.
We'll talk about the globalist strategy to disarm us, our strategy to defeat them, and we're talking to the head of the real, no-compromise gun group, not the Trojan horse gun grabber group.
We're talking to Gun Owners of America, GunOwners.org.
I'm Alex Jones, InfoWars.com is my website.
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He's the T-Rex of political talk, Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
We've got a bunch of callers that want to talk to him, but Larry wanted to get into Homeland Security and this police state mentality and some of the other key areas where they're attacking our Second Amendment.
Give us that key analysis from your expert position there in the District of Criminals in D.C.
The response to an attack on the United States During World War II.
And it wasn't just Pearl Harbor.
There were Japanese and German submarines that were harassing both coasts.
The Japanese were trying to start forest fires with unmanned dirigibles loaded with fuel.
And the governors responded.
Not by calling Washington and asking for help there.
They figured Washington was out doing what it had to do abroad.
They called on the militia, and they had the militia patrol the shorelines, and actually, the Civil Air Patrol was part of that militia movement, looking at the coast, flying out a little bit into the ocean.
Only the experts need to be involved in self defense 60 years later.
This is a government problem.
And of course, even if you just accept what they're talking about, how is it that if a large bureaucracy, the FBI and the other Police agencies like that here in Washington were incapable of handling September 11 and completely missed them.
They were out looking for guys like you and me in the vast right-wing conspiracy because Reno had so directed the FBI and really made them politically correct.
And so the plane loads of victims flew right by their nose.
They never had a clue.
And when Patrick Leahy, Senator from Vermont, Ask Ashcroft, prior to the enactment of Patriot One, what are the powers in here that would have been used to stop September 11?
You know, it would be so simple to even make do, perhaps, with the existing Border Patrol forces that they have, if they would use the same technology they're using to try to seal borders in Afghanistan and work with our troops in Iraq.
But how are you going to say that Ron Paul is anti-gun when he's the guy that has the legislation introduced that would do away with federal gun control?
That's a hard sell, and that's not going to go down in his district.
I know that district, and I've talked to the office since that.
He's right down the line.
and since the vote took place and there were people that wrote in and questioned why he
had voted the way he did and when he explained it, they can live with it because they know
You can't say that I can't have a gun in Virginia because of a lawsuit you had in Brooklyn, New York, which is the ultimate impact of what... And this becomes a larger, I guess, kind of preemption debate.
The first one would be, I tuned in a little late and I was wondering how far this S-22 has gone in their greasy little legislation, if it is law or whatever it is.
And the other question is, Mr. Pratt, you've lived in Washington for a time.
And it's been my experience that I've lived from one coast to the other coast in this country.
And I've seen that even, I can think way back when they were just getting rid of the cattle guards.
In the West, people didn't realize that they were pieces of steel grating to keep cattle in a particular area.
There were people in areas that actually believed that it was a human being that was being laid off.
Well, actually, I talked to a congressman that had beaten George Bush.
I'm struggling to remember his name.
He was a very conservative Democrat.
And he told a joke without ever saying the word Bush, but he talked about this Connecticut Yankee that had been driving on his limo along the Texas road and he got lost and he asked for directions.
the directions finally led him up to the entrance to the ranch and the guy said
and you'll you'll uh... as soon as you go across the uh... the cattle
guards you'll be you know on the ranch and
the window rolled up at the limousine and they drove on and all of a sudden it
backed up and they said oh by the way those cattle guards how will
For those that don't know, in case, a cattle guard has bars in the ground so a cow won't step on it, because they look for holes in the ground, it won't walk across and leave your land, so the gate can be open so you can drive onto your property.
Exactly.
For those that didn't know, the Second Amendment is an individual right, too.
Yeah, I know.
A lot of it is just these people are just delusional silver spoon morons.
And that's a big part of our problem.
We'll be right back with Larry Pratt's final segment, War Calls.
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Well, Larry Pratt's going to be on MSNBC this afternoon with Pat Buchanan.
Well, that's, you know, that's the way the media controls things, is they'll tell you, because I've been on Good Morning America and all these shows, not as much as you have, obviously, and they'll tell you that you're talking about this issue, this alone.
Well, how can you talk about an issue without connecting it to everything else?
Well, did you hear what Paul said, that the Founding Fathers revolted over much lighter forms of oppression, but right now we've got to educate people.
You know how Southerners are and there are politeness sometimes.
It took me a while after I found this out to sneak in, but you read the original intent in the preamble to the Bill of Rights and they're kind of misnamed.
