In this episode of "The Alex Jones Show," host Alex Jones interviews Chris Klineck from Homeschool
Legal Defense Association (HLDA) about the unconstitutional tactics used by a regional
superintendent in Illinois to target homeschoolers. Klineck discusses how HLDA is working to reform
child welfare systems and prevent intimidation of homeschooling families. The show also touches upon
the concept of "color of law" and encourages listeners to stay informed about current events and
contact their legislators when necessary.
All right, coming up, I'm gonna get into Homeland Security, NATO expansion worldwide.
By the way, NATO is a private corporation.
We'll also get into tainted blood, how the Red Cross and other agencies are knowingly putting tainted blood with HIV and hepatitis in the supply.
Top scientists want GM crop ban.
I'm going to get into the federal ruling that the World War II and Korean War veterans will no longer get health care.
A lot of incredibly serious issues as corporate welfare expands and then the services promised to our veterans are now being called welfare and being revoked.
Again, Bush is just something else.
Al Clinton and Clinton.
We'll also get back into GOP targets, pro-borders, tan, credo.
Boy, Bush is just amazing, isn't he?
This guy is incredible.
Now, yesterday I read a news story on air, part of it.
It was seven pages from WorldNetDaily.
It's up on InfoWars.com.
We've had them on before.
Homeschool Legal Defense Association.
Chris Klinick is the head of this organization.
I've had him on in the past.
They're doing a wonderful job.
We first had him on a few months ago talking about California just said, well, homeschooling is illegal unless you got a teaching certificate.
Well, that's not true, but it's just color of law.
They say, show up to a pretrial hearing.
There's no subpoena, no indictment, no charges.
And then it's a contract law.
It's the only real form of law.
Commerce law, and they're operating out of this.
It's maritime jurisdiction.
They're not admitting it.
And they just call you in and try to get you to forfeit your children, sign over to agreements.
They want CPS to visit the homes.
They're doing this now in Illinois, Texas, many other areas.
This case, though, is of a substitute teacher who raises her daughter.
And she has a certificate in Illinois, which you don't even need.
CPS came, demanded into her house.
Then later, squad cars came.
And they're talking about charges and saying, show up to our pre-trial hearing without charges.
It's all color of law, but people don't know the law, even the basics, so government is now practicing and expanding and creating Nazi-like precedents.
Again, joining us is Chris Klinecker, and it's great to have you on the show, Chris, to break down this incredible development.
unidentified
Yeah, it's amazing what has happened.
Well, you have a superintendent in charge of three counties who's taken it upon himself to exceed his authority, send out squad cars to homeschoolers.
There's 22 of them that have been contacted already in this three-county area.
One, to an officer, we got one account from one of our members, homeschool families, to an officer who said, I can take your kids away if I want to.
There was a report in the Austin paper two weeks ago, finally they're admitting the truth, that they're grabbing hundreds of children every month for at-risk.
You go in to have some work done for your diabetes and they show up and grab your child.
Your baby has diaper rash, it's seen at daycare, they get paid off to call CPS, they grab your child.
And it's the same system.
They call them into these courts.
They go, come to this pre-trial hearing and maybe we'll give your child back.
This is like the Soviet Union.
unidentified
Oh, it's unbelievable.
And we've been representing our families in Illinois, as we do in all 50 states.
But in this situation, we've written letters to the superintendent.
We've told them we're not going to pre-trial hearings.
We're not going to allow home visits.
They're unconstitutional.
They violate the Fourth Amendment rights of these families.
We've told the superintendent that we are prepared to sue him.
He continues these tactics.
I've talked to him personally and it seems that he is considering hard changing his policy.
I'm so thankful for the press coverage because it's put a lot of pressure on him to back down.
I have the Calhoun Reader used at the University of Texas as the standard social worker reference book.
It's the keystone of their four-year training for a bachelor's.
Now, it says in the book, I've read this quote many times, that families belong to the age of barbarism, that the schools will become the hub, will have cradle-to-grave schooling.
Now they're talking about making toddlers go to public school.
Now, of course, Head Start families get two CPS visits a year.
They're taking children out of the custody here in Texas of about one-third of the homes.
This is like a science fiction horror movie, but they're doing it all color of law.
You're a lawyer, aren't you?
unidentified
That's correct.
I've been a senior counsel for 18 years at Holmes School of Legal Defense.
Can't you speak to what this color of law, colorable law... These are fraudulent documents on their face to say, you'd better come to our pretrial hearing.
On their face it looks like that's false arrest, really what it is.
unidentified
It is.
It's a violation of families' basic due process rights.
They're liable for this kind of tactic because they don't have to go to such hearing.
These pre-trial hearings aren't truly pre-trial hearings.
They're simply a facade because there is no court action.
It's a place to pressure groups of families into signing other contracts waiving rights.
unidentified
That's exactly right.
We deal with social workers every single day in every state.
These are homeschool families who the social worker gets an anonymous tip.
Somebody's prejudiced against them.
They come to the door.
They insist on entry even though it's a violation of the family's Fourth Amendment rights.
They insist on getting in, interviewing the children separately.
And of course, we stop that.
The families call us, they hand the phone out the door, I tell the social worker, the cop, whoever it is, that they don't have authority to come in and we work it out, keep them away from the kids and out of the home.
But most families are intimidated and give in to these kind of tactics.
She is a certified government training camp teacher.
She's raising her daughter because she doesn't want her to become, you know, a Crack addict or something.
I mean, that's just reasonable.
I wouldn't put my children in one of these camps for anything.
That's what they are.
So where does this go?
Because it's obviously a concerted effort.
We know Bill Clinton attacked homeschooling.
Even some conservative talk show hosts have done it.
How do we unify the two-plus million homeschooling families to stand up against this and to back them off?
Because, you know, we had you on about the California situation.
Tie all this together for us.
unidentified
Well, we've got some good news on the horizon.
Now, there's two levels of attack.
We've got one level, it's coming from states through legislatures or state superintendents that are trying to tighten up restrictions on homeschool freedoms.
The other avenue is coming through the child welfare agencies, the ones you've been talking about in Texas and these kind of things where they're intimidating people, they're acting like they know what's best for the children, the children, the families don't.
and and they're they're trying to take kids without property profit
good news is on the uh...
uh... for instance in texas we've got a group of legislators were working with right
now school infants working with them
and we're uh...
preparing a package is committed to legislature this year to reform the child welfare system to build in
to do process protection so they can get away with the kind of all that they
Now, last time you were on, you talked about, and I agree with you, this is a chilling effect, isn't it?
Isn't this to intimidate parents so they won't do it?
unidentified
That's exactly right.
It is causing a chilling effect, and a lot of families, unless they don't know their rights, are Intimidated, and they let them in, and they waived their constitutional rights as a result, just because of the intimidation.
I was going to tell you there's one other bit of good news.
On Capitol Hill, I testified at the end of last year, during the anthrax scare, on a bill called the Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act, and this is a big government funding program that gives the 50 states money for child welfare agencies.
I offered five amendments, and two of them got accepted, and they're expected to pass in this lame duck session, or the first thing next session.
But it will restore certain due process rights in all 50 states.
We've got the head of the Homeschool Legal Defense Association.
For 18 years, he's been fighting them.
Talked to a lot of families they've helped.
In a big way, we'll tell you about their website as well.
I want to talk about racketeering civil rights suits.
Because if this isn't racketeering, nothing is.
What they're doing to our children.
We're talking to Christopher Clickhub, Senior Counsel and Staff Attorney, Director of State and International Relations for a great organization, Homeschool Legal Defense Association.
We've only got time for one call here during this last segment with him, but I want to get back to this racketeering.
You know, I'm not a lawyer, but I've studied the law, and the whole federal government is engaging in color of law organized crime operations.
They're attacking good citizens.
Homeschoolers have the highest test scores, the best rates of not being involved in drugs and sex and crime.
We all know this.
It's embarrassing the public schools, and they're engaging.
I mean, I know good, upstanding people that make, you know, $500,000 a year that have had CPS visits.
I mean, this country is falling apart, Chris.
What do we do?
unidentified
Well, I think eternal vigilance is what's necessary, and that means people need to be involved.
They need to listen to your program so they can get the up-to-minute news, as you tell them, times when they need to call their congressmen, their legislators.
We can stop this.
I've seen homeschoolers, when they band together, they can stop these things.
We've defeated just tons of legislation over the years.
We had a government nanny bill in Florida last year that passed the legislature by, it was a last minute trick at the end of the year, and we convinced Jeb Bush to veto it and kill this government nanny bill that would have controlled kids from cradle to grave kind of thing.
Doesn't this show, Chris, that they think they own our children?
They said it in speeches and educational conferences.
They think that they own our children.
Isn't this more of a reason for more parents to leave the public schools?
unidentified
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly.
The public schools is not a safe place for our kids' hearts or souls anymore.
You can't pray, you can't have the Ten Commandments on there, you can't even have a minute of silence.
Not to mention all the, really the socialism that's being taught, the secular humanism.
That's why I'm so excited and I work so hard on homeschooling because it's a way for parents to instill the values of our forefathers and the children.
And you can teach them the Bible, you know, the bedrock of our society.
