Clive Joseph Doyle exposes alleged government orchestration of the Waco siege, claiming authorities rehearsed at Fort Hood to execute a rapid raid that failed in practice. He details how helicopters fired on water supplies and tanks while ground agents approached, contradicting official claims of Davidian aggression with evidence of bullet holes in federal trucks. Doyle criticizes Judge Walter Smith's bias, a flawed jury selection, and a coerced plea deal for voluntary manslaughter, asserting the Branch Davidians were anti-drug victims of a media-driven agenda designed to suppress freedoms through staged violence and manipulation. [Automatically generated summary]
I wonder if somebody would have filled up the internet.
Chinese are now saying, "Well, you know, we think that the test is coming out, maybe you show fully automatic weapons." Well, I think I'm going to get to the point where you're going to get that.
Oh, we are fine.
This is how we do this stuff.
What do you think?
What do you think about today?
What do you think about today?
Yep.
I think that was a drought.
I'm going to put it out on the ground.
Do you know what are using Delta Force?
I don't know.
I'm going to admit it.
We're using Delta Force to ground up wrong.
Yeah, I remember that in Seattle.
Yeah, Delta Force is a wrecked.
I've got raw footage.
I'm going to put it in.
I'm going to put it in the ground.
They got more of that.
I got two of the bugs.
I'm going to put it in the ground.
It's resistant.
It's resistant.
It's coming now.
It's so scary because it's very real.
Very real.
I don't know the other I've wanted to make.
Check it out.
It's a plant right there on the satellite.
I know it's a little bit.
It's a little bit more than a little bit.
Uh, yeah.
You can see the no burn.
No burn.
Is that the end of the screen?
Yeah.
You can't...
You can put a towel in it and throw it in the fire for like minutes on end and it just charges.
It's burning.
It doesn't work that way.
It doesn't work that way.
And we also got our gallons in there, right?
We'll be in.
Yeah, that's burning here.
Thank you.
That's really good.
Don't try to avoid giving you a complete answer.
This is out.
Let's watch!
I brought the original copies!
This is the first weekend for it.
Confidence Overcomes Setbacks00:02:28
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Yeah.
Hold on a second.
It's not up on InfoWars yet.
Mike!
It's not on InfoWars yet.
If you find somewhere like Rebuildthechurch.com Go to the branch of the Midian Trust Discussion Board Comprehensive thinking is a great part But the discussion board Has moved So it'll tell you where to go Mine's definitely true A little sarcastic You get the sharp T's But not too many It's not huge Very noticeable But it is noticeable And you know what the sarcastic means Defiance
A large lowercase letter Especially K Anywhere in the writing This high buckle K If a person resists Others authority Sinners from his head And they told what to do What the guys were going to be No Alex, you never resist authority.
Very, very talkative.
That's connected more than just to move their mouths.
Sometimes they don't talk just to hear their own voice.
Very strong T-bars, which is great.
High self-esteem.
Reveals confidence, ambition, the ability to plan ahead.
High goals, high personal expectations, and an overall good self-image.
This is the key to personal success and happiness.
Persistence.
Stokes that double back over, you had one T that did it.
An N toward the right, usually located in the T.
And the opposite person has a quality of not giving up when he's been confronted with temporary setbacks.
He will persist until he completes the task.
Self-conscious.
When the second hunt is hired and the first person has a fear of being ridiculed, he tends to worry what others might think when around strangers.
But I guess you're so confident that it doesn't matter.
Clinton had the head of China's nuclear weapons programs, top general, in the White House recording and laughing.
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That's when you were in Iraq.
He was his dad on TV. And he'd just been in office a few months.
And you'd already had the World Trade Center.
Bombing Mission Failures00:14:15
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That was in the October 28, 1993. New York Times and Salaam in the World Trade Center bombing.
Salam was an Egyptian, a former security force agent, over at work for the FBI.
As the informant said, "You gave me real explosives, you took that bomb, we're going in two days, get them now." We trapped him, they pulled him out, sent in that bomb.
That's what they do.
That's all they do.
And the New York Times are so arrogant, they just report it.
I can just babble, Mike.
You can tell them a story.
I was a little sick of telling them.
I was working at the same time in Garland.
I was working at the same time in the United States of Texas.
I don't get into all the speculation.
I mean, I was just curious.
I happen to hear of this guy, you know, that had supposedly seen David Koresh sitting in the apartment in the parking lot smoking pot.
He sounds curious.
Well, I figured it all set up.
I don't know if they'd be.
It wasn't the current president when you were in school, was it, Ed?
No, President's Day is a combination of Washington's Day and Lincoln's Day, and It has nothing whatsoever to do.
with that traitorous Bill Clinton who now occupies the White House.
You're doing a good job.
I am too.
You're an uncle too, right?
Yes, I am.
There's no church out here.
They've kept the money.
Is that right?
Yeah.
That's right.
Pretty funny.
Yeah.
This is not a church.
This is the money we have kept.
This is actually a drug lab.
I was wanting to see that, what she put up, but everybody don't want to download it.
They're afraid you've got a virus on it.
Wiley told me to delete it right away when you see that name.
And the question is, how could they know that it was going to be around two months, then they send the helicopters to shoot up the water supply, the water tanks, the blue water tanks, to shoot up David's room.
Do you think they meant the raid to be a so-called boxed raid, having helicopters attack, having them hit the front door?
I think it was planned all the way from the beginning.
They told us in court that they rehearsed this thing in Fort Hood back in December.
They rehearsed it, and they were supposed to have it down flat to where they could have 130 people on the floor in handcuffs to do, I think it was like two minutes flat.
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But they didn't put you in handcuffs in two minutes flat.
Have any way of resisting, I guess, and surviving any length of time?
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Well, that's right, any length of time.
That's the point.
If they told the neighbor to prepare to be gone for two months, and they come in, and the first thing they do is shoot up the water supply, that's not because they're going to have a raid that day and take everybody to jail.
You know, they've stuck to their story that we fired this.50 caliber at them on the first day, then why would somebody be shooting at the tanks with P-Rifles if you got a.50 caliber?
And if we fired the.50 caliber at them on April 19th, produce the tanks with the big dings in the side of it or holes or whatever.
I mean, if we were a suicide cult and just wanted to go down in a blaze of glory and take as many people as we could with us, none of them would have walked off on February 28th.
We could have massacred them all and then just wait for the big showdown that came after us.
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But there weren't even any bullet holes in their pickups or in their cattle trailers.
According to the evidence they showed in court, the cattle truck that pulled up at the front door, you know, that was the second one, It had a bullet hole through the radiator, which when you put a dowel into it, it pointed directly up the road at the other cattle truck.
It didn't come from an angle.
Also, the driver jumped out and left the door open, and there's a bullet hole through the top of the open door and into the roof of the cab on the offside from the building, which means somebody over there was shooting from the houses or somebody.
Well, that's been brought forward in several different films and a lot of the evidence.
Even the heavily edited VATF footage shows one of their own officers throwing in some type of grenade, whether it's flashbang or phosphorus or explosive.
It probably wouldn't be phosphorus.
Yeah.
It probably wouldn't have been phosphorus or you would have a fire, but let's say either a flash or a shrapnel grenade.
A concussion grenade.
They're throwing these in here, and he's shooting into the room.
The only time I saw the helicopter in the initial raid was as I was going down the hall, which was out toward the driveway there, and I could see right through into the cafeteria and there was a door out.
You know, facing the swimming pool.
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As I went by, I could see this helicopter turning away.
I was going to say, I don't know on each individual point that came out that the jury was qualified to know whether they were being lied to or not initially.
After they find out all the skullduggery that went on in the court, all the information that's come out since, Sarah Bain has spoken out plenty of times.
Very upset.
I think it was the second memorial she came up and she brought several of the other jury people with it.
Even that jury was a bit of a farce.
There were several people that shouldn't have been on that jury.
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Well, first of all, they whittled down, what was it, 3,000?
So then they bring them out one by one in question.
The judge would ask each one, I don't want you to tell me what religion you are, he says, but would you consider yourself mainstream?
In other words, we don't want any Jehovah's Witnesses, Hare Krishna's, you know what I'm saying?
They weren't going to let anybody that might be sympathetic to a small group.
So he said, do you consider yourself mainstream religion?
And so then they had this one young girl that came up, and she asked to be dismissed.
This is what she reads, and she said, well, I just had a baby.
I'm breastfeeding and all nice.
Well, we're only going to be, you know, you're only going to be on the jury from 9 until about 4. He says, you can squeeze the milk out, put it in a bottle and have a babysitter feed the baby during the day.
A note was apparently handed to the judge, came from the jury.
People on the jury were letting the judge know that the guy that was on the jury had already made his mind up before he heard anything, that we were guilty.
And so they brought this to the judge.
Instead of dismissing him and saying, you can't be on the jury with that kind of attitude, they just kind of gave him a slap on the wrist and said, well, do you promise not?
I'm just saying that somebody on the jury sent a note to the judge, apparently.
That one of the jury people had already made statements right at the beginning that he felt they were guilty and it hadn't even started.
You know what I'm saying?
He'd let them know his feelings prior to hearing all the evidence.
So they informed the judge of this.
But instead of kicking the guy off the jury and kicking someone else, you know, putting one of the ultimates in his place or something, they kept him on.
Just with a kind of a warning, you know.
You can't be saying that.
You know, don't let...
You're not supposed to have opinions without listening and you're supposed to be unbiased.
But anyway, the thing is, when it came down to separating the jury, from what I understand, the judge gave the jury instructions on how to vote, you know.
And on the third count, which is apparently where they...
The third count was having a weapon during the commission of violent crime.
You know, going into the trial, we were told that was a five to ten year sentence if you were found guilty.
Somewhere along the way, when they made this deal, they put all this extra wording into the third charge.
See?
And so...
When the jury is separated to go make the decision, the judge gives them instructions on how to vote.
And I think they said there was like 90 pages of instructions on how to vote on the third count.
In their initial reports on February 28th or afterwards when they're talking to the Texas Rangers, one guy says, well, we got out of the first truck, we ran around the north end of the building, and we just got around the corner.
Here's three guys standing in the backyard, two white guys and a black guy.
And the black guy was huge.
And one guy says, when I first saw him, I thought they were our guys because they had black on and masks.
Oh, that's Delta Force.
Goggles, you know.
He says, I thought they were agar.
The next thing, they open fire, that's point blank.
So one guy gets kind of wet.
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He's got a vest on, so, you know, he just gets bruised from the ones that hit the vest.
So anyway, what I've said all along, I said, okay, what they do is nobody can identify who these people are until somewhere during the siege, May, not May, March the 15th or something, you know, Livingston, David sends Livingston out with a message to the FBI. The next thing we know, it's in the press, Livingston's the guy that shot this ATF agent.
Livingston's a little bitty guy.
Either shorter than me or no higher.
So I said, okay, they've got a guinea pig now.
The only black guy that comes out of here alive is Livingston.
So he's got to be the black guy that does the shooting, you know, even though he's small.
Doesn't fit the description.
So then you got...
I said...
Well, how come they never tried to pin the two white guys?
They never identified anybody as being the white guys.
But they pick on Livingston to be the black guy, you know?
And so there was Brad Branch and myself sitting there in the courtroom.
We said to our boys, we want you to put us on a witness stand so we can testify that Brad Branch wasn't out.
So anyway, so then our lawyers filed a motion to separate Livingston from the rest of the trial, you know, have a separate trial, and then we could testify.
And that was denied, as were most of the things we had.
They found everybody not guilty on conspiracy, and they found everybody not guilty of murder.
What the jury did, because of the various testimony that was given, like I said, whether it was true or false, the fact that we didn't put a defense on left that testimony standing.
And so they said, well, we've got people saying, well, so-and-so had a gun, or this guy saying, I had a gun.
And so they came up with guilty on the gun charge.
They went through the other charges, either guilty or not guilty, depending on what they were.
Right after the jury uttered their verdict, the judge dismisses it.
They're allowed to go.
Both sides, all the lawyers from both sides, run up to the bench and say, Judge, how can you have people guilty of having a weapon during the commission of a crime if they're found not guilty of a crime?
He says, yeah, you're right, the jury messed up, you know, and I've already dismissed them, and, you know, if I had to find them all again and bring them back, I'd have to instruct them they made a mistake, and all they could do if they were going to change it at all would be to say not guilty, so I'll just scrap the third count.
The feds had already filed a reinstatement of a third count, and the judge turned around and changed his mind, and on the strength of that, I think in June or July, when he came down to the sentencing, he gives them 10 years plus 30. So they were guilty of conspiracy, guilty of murder, guilty of having automatic weapons, which was never proved.
What is it like, Clive, what is it like to have Judge Walter Smith engage in the criminal actions that I think are cleared in?
At least clear to me, Alex Jones, and I'll put that on the record.
To see the Judge Walter Smith engage in this criminal activity and this obstruction of justice in this huge railroad.
Now, Clive...
To have him refusing to recuse himself in the civil case where you're trying to take action, get back your good name, you lost your daughter, you lost your friends.
After all of this, he will not recuse himself.
I remember seven months ago when he was all acting like he was going to be Mr. Goody Two-Shoes.
You said on my radio program, and I agreed that...
You think it's the same old fraud all over again, just more acting?
But what I think, what I can't understand is how the media or the courts or whoever has any authority in this country can look at the evidence of this man's performance, both in the trial and since, and say that this guy is unbiased.
I don't see how anybody, including the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, can say, well, this guy is not a biased judge.
How can they call former Senator John Danforth an independent counselor, an independent investigator, when he's appointed by Janet Reno, the attorney general, to investigate Janet Reno, the attorney general?
Well, I'm saying, you know, there's a lot of catchphrases, a lot of double talk, there's a lot of deception and covering up, and I don't know what the real meaning of the word independent is in their mind, but I know what it means to me, and I don't know whether he fits the bill.
People that had done drugs or having a problem, whether it was drinking, smoking, or whatever, that wanted to come here and make a new start, were invited to come.
But if the temptation got so great that they couldn't resist, they were asked to leave.
What had gone on prior to our, you might say, being in charge here was way back in the 80s, mid-80s.
There was a lab, George Roden had invited some former prisoners to come out here and gave them pretty well free reign to do what they liked.
Pornography ring and a drug lab and stuff, from what I understand.
When David came here, when we came back and got our property back in 1988, some of this stuff was found, which we handed over to the Sheriff's Department.
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So it was pretty clear, at least with the locals, that you guys were anti-drug.
I don't know about the sheriff's department doing that, but we didn't have a shooting range.
We had a heap of dirt out there, which people would stick a tin can on us and blocks of wood, you know, and maybe try out shooting a little bit, but we didn't have a shooting range.
We didn't have military training camp and all that kind of stuff that you hear.
This government wants to take over and take away the freedoms of everybody.
It had an agenda.
And this was part of their plan.
But, you know, you hear a lot of stories about what was going on in the ATF. Sexual discrimination within the department, the stories of them being dissolved or reabsorbed into another agency.
From our point of view, I believe that, like the Bible says, there's a devil out there and the devil wants to do away with anybody that's trying to improve their lifestyle to do better.
You start studying the Bible, you're already under suspicion and suspect, and the devil wants to get rid of those kind of people.
And unfortunately, there are people that lend themselves to bringing that about.
You know, when it says the devil goes to make a war against the saints, it could be supernatural, but I think it's done through human beings that allow themselves to be directed in that line.
I know what they claimed they had, whether that's truthful or not.
We know there were snipers across the road.
What they were shooting, we don't know.
But after the initial raid and the adrenaline kind of calmed down and everything, and we're beginning to hear on the radio.
The stories that they're putting out, you know, to the media, like, oh, they were shooting all kinds of stuff, 50 caliber.
I knew we had a 50 caliber.
David had showed it one night, you know, one of the meetings.
And so I went to a couple of guys.
I think I asked, let's see, a couple of guys that were upstairs where the 50 caliber was supposed to be.
I said, so what's all these stories about us firing the 50 caliber at them?
One guy says, 50 caliber was never used.
He said it was sitting over in the corner or something.
Never got used.
I asked somebody else about it and they said a.50 caliber couldn't have been used because it doesn't work.
That was two different people telling me that.
And so I accepted them.
I got more reason to believe our guys than I do in these lives, you know.
So, like I said, if we had it, and if it was automatic, and if we were shooting at them on the first day, then on the last day they got all these tanks busting through into the building.
They got all these voices from all over the building.
They've only got one bug tape, they said, that works, but they're supposedly picking voices up from upstairs, downstairs, in the foyer, all over the place.
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Yeah, but they already, I think it was about three or four weeks ago they already said it.
That was like all spliced together and tampered with and it's not even a real tape.
I mean, when you're in this kind of a situation, when you're getting all these threats, like we were being told even before April 9th, we don't want anybody in the tower.
If we see anybody in the tower, we'll consider that a threatening gesture.
We don't want anybody looking out the windows.
They start making demands more and more as they got to the end.
Like I say, that develops an attitude.
I can remember talking to people in the chat and saying, well, if they do come in with tanks, like, how do you stop a tank for crying out loud?
You know, because you're thinking all kinds of things.
What you can do, you know, stick a crowbar in the truck.
Clive, what about them also calling a few days before the final assault, final attack, where they told you it wasn't an assault, with classic doublespeak?
Clive, what about them calling and saying, you better have fire extinguishers, or do you have any fire extinguishers?
I don't think it was totally crippled, but it did take some shots, yeah.
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And the reason I ask that, if there is any evidence, like if they use 50-caliber, maybe on the other helicopters or something, shooting up the building, or if there's any 50-caliber fire at all, is because...
Well, it's not film, it's just tapes and it's digital to work.
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Yeah.
But, yeah, what...
Talk, Clive, we've got the light on you.
I just want to get this question.
You remember Mario Boinkin, the pizza shop guy from Austin?
Yeah.
A buddy of his is a maintenance chief, or was at that time a maintenance chief for those helicopters out at Fort Hood.
And I think it was the day after, one or two days after, when they assaulted a place here, Mario went up to Fort Hood, talked to this guy, and the guy pointed out a.50 caliber hole.
In that helicopter.
And Mario told me that he stuck his finger into that hole and he recognized it as being like a.50 caliber size.
So that's what I was curious if they even shot their own helicopter down.
Yeah, they didn't actually shoot the helicopter down, but they put holes in it.
And 50 caliber holes just so they could say that y'all had a 50 caliber machine gun.
Clive, you said earlier, if they want to burn this down together, they're you said earlier, if they want to burn this down together, they're going to have some trouble, Yeah, we'd even have trouble.
You know, the final bottom line is whether you believe, you know, in God or not.
There's a question in the Bible, or a statement, I should say, that says, you know, if the builders build without God on their side, then they build in vain.
So that's one reason we need to be considerate of how we act and what we talk about and everything else while we're in it.
This is a special place, you know, it's not just a...
Any old building sort of thing.
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So anyway, did we answer your question?
Yes, I believe so.
I think that's the answer, actually, is they put those holes there themselves.
They had a church up the front gate, you know, when I first came.
I was doing a job in there one day and the ladder slipped out from under me and the ladder fell down and I landed on my back on top of the ladder.
Knocked the wind out of me.
So I was laying there for quite a while before I could get up and I'm looking at the ceiling and all of a sudden my brain just kind of flipped over to where the ceiling looked like the floor.
Everything looked...
Like it was the right way up.
Only the lights were coming up out of the floor and the pews were all along the ceiling.
You know, just laying there kind of days.
And maybe that's the way they view things from a different perspective.
Right after the raid, when the ATF and everybody are giving this press conference and everything, they're talking about how we ambushed them and we were all at the windows shooting and all that.
And I'm going, wow.
You know, that's not the truth.
And so I go up to my room, or I've been in my room, and I go back to my room, and my room's intact.
Now, Clive, what did you think when you were told a few minutes before they got here that, hey, somebody's coming out to search the house or the BATF or the police or something?
What did you think was going to happen if they did come out here for your search?
Somebody was watching us, but we thought maybe it was immigration people because we had people from all over the world here and we figured they're suspicious, you know, they're watching to see who we got here.
So it was no big deal.
But on February 28th, from what I read, I didn't remember, but people tell me it was drizzling or it was raining that day.
All I can remember was being in my room.
We'd already had breakfast, and I was back in my room.
And all of a sudden, I hear a lot of people out here in the cafeteria, and I thought, what's going on?
Seems to be a lot of people out there, and we've already eaten, so what's the deal?
So I go in there to find out what's going on, and somebody says, hey, we just got word that somebody's coming.
It's going to be some kind of a raid or whatever.
And about that time, David walked in from this side.
He'd come down the hall, come into the cafeteria from this other side.
And basically confirmed it.
He says, we just heard that, you know, the whole bunch of some kind of agents coming.
And he says, I want everybody to stay cool, go back to your rooms, just be calm.
He said, I'll go down the front door and talk to them, see what they want, and, you know, try to talk to them.
So I went back to my room.
I heard him walk down the hall, heard him open the front door, and next thing, he's yelling, hey, wait a minute, there's women and children here, you know.
Let's talk about this.
And all hell breaks loose.
I mean, there's shots coming in the front door like crazy.
And my initial reaction was run down the hall because I figured there's going to be blood and guts everywhere.
Massacre.
And I get about level with where we are.
About halfway down the hall and Perry Jones is crawling up the hall screaming that he's being shot.
He'd gone to the front door with David.
And he's telling me David's been shot.
So I'm trying to comfort him.
He's laying on the floor and screaming.
And I said, hang in there, Perry, because I'm thinking there's all these other people dead inside the front door or whatever.
So I go running down there, and lo and behold, there's no one inside, no one in the foyer area at all.
So I run back to Perry, and I'm trying to help him.
So on the tape, as we see the BATF from the outside firing in incessantly, you guys are just going around trying to look for people that have been shot.
You guys aren't lining the windows shooting like the television shows us?
In fact, one day during the siege, I was going by the doorway there, and I looked in, and Greg's sitting, he'd gone upstairs and got all the boys' little plastic toy soldiers, you know, little plastic men and that, and he's sitting there with a little dinky miniature blowtorch thing, trying to melt the plastic men to plug up the holes in the water tank, because we were going to try to get the pump going again.
Maybe fill them up with water.
And I says, you're wasting your time, Greg.
And he says, what do you mean?
I says, well, you're filling all the holes on the window side, on the inside.
I said, but they're riddled on the other side, too.
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You know, unless you're going to go out and expose yourself and fill them up, it's still going to leak out the other side.
I had, like I said, this was a couple of days later when the arrangement was that we would all go out.
We'd all come out together.
And so I went down to the kitchen here and packed a lunch, paper bag lunch, you know, for my daughter and I. And I'm thinking, you know, we'll all just go out and we'll sit on the lawn and they'll come in here and search the building, get whatever they come to get.
If somebody come out on the roof, if they come out a window or doorway, for whatever reason, including Steve Schneider, who had already arranged over the phones to come out, they were going to bring some kind of stuff in.
I don't know whether it was the supplies for the typewriter or what.
They were bringing something in in a tank.
They pulled up out there on the driver.
He came out the front door, walked over to him.
They gave him the stuff.
He turned around and got just about to open the front door and they lobbed these two flashbangs out of him.
Scared the daylights out of him.
But David Jones got lobbed out.
We were out in the gym one day digging a hole for the potty hole, you know.
For dead?
No, no, no.
For waste.
Oh, okay.
We could hear them lobbing these things out, you know, just outside the wall.
It's kind of scary, you know, even though they're on the other side of the wall.
Yeah, I think there's a certain amount of rivalry.
I think there's, you know, they like to throw up at David.
When we didn't come out as agreed early in the piece, they made this accusation.
Well, you're a lie.
You know, you're a man of your word.
You can't be trusted.
And on one of the tapes, you know, David brings up and says, well, you know, you promised certain things the other day, and now it's different, or, you know, you didn't come through for us.
Well, you've got to understand, we're just peons.
You know, we're just here doing the negotiating, but we've got bosses over us making decisions.
And then, you know, they've got bosses in Washington that overrule them, and you've just got to understand, we really don't have a whole lot of power.
And David says, well, why is it that you can't understand that I've got a boss upstairs that sometimes overrules, you know, something we've agreed on yesterday?
He may say no.
Why can't you understand that I've got a higher-up person that I've got an answer to, and yet, you know, you want to call me a liar.
You want to say, well, I'm not a man of my word.
But you can cop out when your promises don't come by because, well, we've got people over us.
Even though things may or may not, I don't know people's hearts, but at one point the people from the Methodist home where they were taking all our kids, they sent a video in supposedly to show us how well they were treating our kids.
We've got the TV blaring and the kids have got an ice cream and a coke and watching videos and they're just bouncing off the furniture like they're having a sugar high.
And most of the mothers that saw it were pretty upset and gone, that is not the way we taught our children to behave.
It's not that we wouldn't give them that ice cream.
Or something, a drink, you know, from time to time, but it wasn't their steady diet.
But they thought they were being good to the kids by just loading them up with sugar and stuff.
And like I said, one of the comments I heard was, this is sad, you know.
You wouldn't think some of these kids just saw their mother shot or saw some of their friends wounded a few days before.
Here they are, clowning for the camera and all this kind of stuff.
And, you know, like I said, the people that made the video may have had good intentions, but it was used, it had a negative effect, we'll say, on us.
A lot of the parents that still had children, they were hesitant about wanting to send them out to this kind of a situation.
The same with when, you know, you made reference to the mooning and giving the finger and making threats and all.
It all develops an attitude in the people that you're dealing with.
Hey, he's a bunch of...
Monsters or these are people who wants to give their kids...
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Mike, you're yelling as loud as you possibly could.
Well, I mean, like I said, we were used to hardship.
The hardship was bothering us in a way, but it wasn't having the desired effect that they wanted it to have.
In other words, several people that survived and came out, I know, lost 25 to 30 pounds, including myself, in weight just from lack of water and food because we were on rations.
We weren't mad because we were hungry, sort of thing.
We were more upset with the attitudes that were coming across the phones or the loudspeakers.
Things like that.
The fact that they weren't operating in good faith.
Plus, you know, we're watching them every day get up and do these media briefings at 10 o'clock every morning at the convention center and they're just lying or they're painting a picture that's just making us look like You know, kooks.
Bob, did you ever stop and think that while this is going on, it's setting the stage for, hey, the government's good, we go raid bad people, we take them out, they're kooks, you're on our side, we're the winning team, kind of like a Super Bowl mentality nationwide for 51 days?
Well, the big thing is they want to get local support because Climb, the last seven years, we're coming up on seven years, coming up on April 19th here in 2000. I've talked to so many SWAT team, police, military, government agents, talked to them across the board on the radio and off the air.