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Sept. 19, 1999 - Alex Jones Show
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Alex Jones Rebuilding the Waco Church
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Their mission is to build a church on the grounds of Mark Carmel.
Lisa Hanna has the story.
After just a week of planning, dozens of volunteers from across the state gathered at Mount Carmel to build a church.
It's a project that was started by Austin Radio talk show host Alex Jones.
alex jones
We're going to build this church back.
I've talked to these Valley Branch Davidians and they concur with my idea to have it a church and at the same time a memorial and a museum for what happened right here on this very ground in 1993. It's called the Phoenix Project, a church that will rise from the ashes of the Branch Davidian compound.
unidentified
I think it's important that we have a place to worship again after our church was destroyed.
Volunteers are doing all the work.
Volunteers such as Austin contractor Mike Hansen.
We just think it's the right thing to do.
Jones says the 50 by 50 foot church is more than just a building.
He says it's a symbol of what happened here more than six years ago.
Jones calls it an attack on religious freedom.
Today's effort was organized by syndicated radio talk show host Alex Jones.
He says rebuilding the church will be a statewide effort.
alex jones
And so now a large group of people here in Austin, we're going to be met by others in Waco and Temple and surrounding areas in Central Texas, are all going to travel to Mount Carmel, the site of the fiery conflagration in 1993, to rebuild the church sanctuary area of the Mount Carmel complex.
unidentified
And the church is expected to be completed in about three months.
We're just thankful to God that...
There are certain people in this country that still got a spirit of assistance and wanting to do, you know, something to show their sympathy and their concern for what happened here, and we appreciate it.
Plans call for the new site to hold a new 30-by-40-foot white-frame church.
It's expected to be completed in two, two, three months.
Topic tonight's news, a scene of mass destruction becomes a foundation for a new beginning.
Good evening, I'm Kim Barnes.
And I'm Phil Scott.
Austin volunteers are rebuilding a chapel on the site of the Branch Davidian compound near Waco.
The compound burned down in 1993 after a 51-day standoff between Davidians and federal agents.
Davidian leader David Koresh and about 80 followers died.
KB24's Joel Thomas reports on the news.
I've known the Branch Davidians a long time, and I think they're good, God-fearing people.
I think they were demonized.
Most are galvanized by the thought the federal government murdered the Davidians.
They videotaped deputies who've come to hurry them along.
They don't trust law enforcement anymore, or the media.
With donated materials and labor...
Take exit number 339....they receive directions.
Head to ground zero.
alex jones
We're gonna rebuild it!
unidentified
Waco.
At the Davidian compound, the work begins even as the convoy pulls in.
alex jones
We still have the stadium seating in here.
unidentified
Plans are for a modest chapel.
They're in the process of digging these holes right now.
We anticipate at least three months for the construction process.
They build on the very site where America saw a shootout.
I think it's sad that a lot of people don't really care, you know, what happened here.
Seeing the battered rubble here staggers even those who've studied the standoff.
As I reflect on what happens, there's a sense even students of Waco don't know the entire message.
It's not the same.
I want to live here, but I need a trailer to do it, and I don't have the money.
You would come back out here and live like that?
You bet I would in a...
Watson walks in a memorial grove, each withered tree planted for someone who died here.
There is still a lonely vigil for David Koresh's return, a lonely feeling no one from outside of the compound can ever understand.
I'll tell you, when helicopters come after you, and you see them, and you hear them, and you know what they're doing, that's an entirely different story.
Even so, one of the workers who drove here from Austin says he feels like he's building a future tourist stop, a sort of Alamo for the Branch Davidians.
But one of the Branch Davidians who is here tells me that's okay.
After all, he says the only chapel they really need is in heaven.
In Waco, Joel Thomas, KVU 24 News.
All right.
Good morning, Mike.
I got you already.
We told everybody to meet us over there, and the KI van is running around at Capital Class.
We all want to go over there and sit in that parking lot.
alex jones
I said McDonald's hundreds of times.
Let me drive over there.
I'll just drive over there.
unidentified
Hi, Alex.
alex jones
I'll bring him over here.
unidentified
All right.
Did you see my brownie pants?
He's with Channel 8!
And he's with...
Channel 42!
alex jones
If they were in the Capitol Plaza, that's Capitol Plaza.
Well, as you can see, it's about 10 after 7. By 7.30, we'll probably have about twice this number of people.
Good patriots standing up against this massive witch hunt was conducted unsuccessfully, I might add, in 1993.
What we're witnessing is a large group of Americans, Texans, here attempting to go to the way.
unidentified
I was told that I don't think I'm right here.
Hey, I'm being told not to film and I wouldn't do it.
What are you saying?
Yeah.
She came over here and said I couldn't feel it.
I mean, I couldn't feel it.
She just wanted us to feel the love.
alex jones
I'm sorry, bud.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
It's just we're used to this.
alex jones
What you're seeing is a group of Texans and Americans standing up against the police state, standing up against what happened to the Branch Davidians who were demonized back in 1993, the basic cover-up of the federal government.
And we're now witnessing the media and many others finally realizing that we've all been lied to, we've all been conned.
The Branch Davidians have never changed their story.
They've always told the truth.
And that's been worn out in the past six years.
And so now a large group of people here in Austin, we're going to be met by others in Waco and Temple and surrounding areas of Central Texas, are all going to travel to Mount Carmel, the site of the fiery conflagration in 1993, to rebuild the church sanctuary area of the Mount Carmel complex.
unidentified
What exactly happened there in 1993?
alex jones
If you could just give it to me.
unidentified
I think you could analyze this morning.
alex jones
What happened in 1993 was basically the BATF wanted to get their funding increased.
They were out there with four cameras.
They had a 100-man assault team that went in and basically opened fire first.
They were going there wanting blood.
They only had an arrest warrant for David Koresh, and they could have picked him up any time in town.
But they didn't choose to do that.
They sent in a 100-man assault force.
A 100-man assault force.
And opened fire.
Helicopter gunships came in.
And this is something that really hasn't been told, but we have the video evidence of it actually happening.
And then 51 days later after psychological warfare and basic torture...
And when people would try to leave, they would have flashbang grenades thrown at them.
Now the Texas Ranger report shows this.
They were basically contained.
The Army Special Operations Delta Force was sent in with the FBI's hostage rescue teams, and from the internal Delta Force memos that have now been confirmed to be real via the Freedom of Information Act, it showed that they discussed in the memos violence of action.
Basic arrest situation, not a hostage situation.
They went in there to basically, according to the Dallas Morning News, take them out.
And in Special Forces terms, and most people know what take them out means, because in Special Forces terms, it means kill them.
unidentified
What exactly are you going to do today?
What exactly, how much are you going to get done today?
alex jones
We're going, well, yesterday we were out there and we surveyed the area.
We put stakes in the ground.
We're basically going to dig the foundation.
We're going to pour the foundation, and that's the most important stage of any building project.
Then, in the next few weeks, we're going to move forward, start building the superstructure, and I would say within two and a half to three months, you'll have a fully functional sanctuary there for the Surviving Branch Davidians and for a monument to what happened in 1993. With the police and the military all working in concert, attacking any group of people.
It's horrible.
And then to see them demonized, where they were demonized, and all of that has been now disproven, is really a frightening trend in this country.
In fact, it's reminiscent of Nazi Germany.
And so we need to focus on that and have a historical perspective about how dangerous it is when you have these type of relationships forming.
unidentified
The news media fell forward big time, didn't it?
alex jones
A lot of Americans fell for it.
The news media was held back two and a half miles.
The only footage we got was a German news cam on a 24-foot platform on some ranch land from a far distance with a super-zoom lens, and all we got was the very front.
And incidentally, that probably saved Clive Doyle and David Thibodeau's lives because that...
The only people that survived were those that got out the front and side where the news cameras could actually get some footage.
Everyone that was herded towards the back by the tanks that actually went inside died.
We now have the actual flare footage of the Delta Force and the hostage rescue teams shooting the people as they tried to exit.
unidentified
Now, what do you folks need to complete this mission?
alex jones
We need people to donate time and materials, and yes, if they want money, but we will just go buy the materials we need and then deliver them to Central Point as we're doing this morning.
That's all we need is people's time and people's energy and people's heart, and we're going to be able to...
Say to certain elements of the government, it's not the whole government, but certain elements of the government that would try to engage in a cover-up and a smear campaign, a witch hunt against American citizens, we would say to them that this is about standing up and saying the people of Central Texas, the people of America, are firmly against this type of behavior.
unidentified
Well, it's about freedom of it's about freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof.
alex jones
It's-- The Davidians have never changed their story, and the government has.
And I've been studying it for, well, ever since it happened.
And as time goes on, I begin to realize this was basically a witch hunt.
It was about getting more funding for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.
And what happened here was wrong.
We've got an Air Force base over here.
We've got a great observation tower over there.
We've got nice little undercover houses.
They picked this place.
It was a perfect...
Perfect area to basically ambush a group of innocent people and start initiating America into the modern police state.
unidentified
Let's talk about today.
alex jones
Sure.
unidentified
How did you get everything organized here?
Who brought this all together?
What's the plan for that?
alex jones
Well, for years, coming to the remembrances, we've talked about trying to do something for the Davidians, but it was all talk.
Finally, myself and Mike Hanson said, look, let's just do it.
I think we can get people behind it.
I think there's enough people in Central Texas that care and realize what happened was wrong.
And so we put it together.
In fact, we started announcing it last Monday, and here we are on Sunday, as we said we would, and a lot of great people have shown up.
More are on their way from Dallas and Fort Worth and right here in Waco and Temple and Austin and all areas in between, and we're going to build this church back.
I've talked to Surviving Branch Davidians and they concur with my idea to have a church and at the same time a memorial and a museum for what happened right here on this very ground in 1993. So is it safe to say that most of the people out here today are just people out here?
I believe there's only four Davidians out here today, Surviving Branch Davidians.
Now these are just concerned citizens from here in Texas and from all across America.
I'm hearing about this and saying that they're going to come for at least part of the construction.
So this is mainly a volunteer effort, central text, and showing the world that, hey, we think what happened here was wrong.
These people's constitutional rights were violated.
They were stamped as criminals and paraded before the press and basically demonized.
And I don't even blame the press for that.
It was the government.
They held the media back two and a half miles and then engaged in their demonization program.
And we're here to say, hey.
Enough is enough.
We're not going to talk and argue about this anymore.
We're here to support these people and support America.
That's what America's about.
What's the time frame in terms of what you guys are doing today?
Well, we have built another home for a veteran in Austin, Texas, Joe Campana.
We did that in 14 days, a city record, and that's fully furnished because the bulldozers were coming.
They condemned his old home and said he wasn't going to help him.
That took 14 days, but that was inside Austin in the metropolitan area.
Since we are outside Waco and Bellmead, I can certainly say three months, but probably within a month and a half to two months you'll have a fully completed church.
We need to complete it that fast to keep our momentum up and get the job done properly.
unidentified
As far as the land dispute goes, they said it's okay to go ahead and build on this.
alex jones
Yes, absolutely.
Well, Clive Doyle's paid the back taxes.
Clive Doyle, as you see, lives here on the property in his mobile home.
Regardless of what ends up happening with the land, and I've talked to attorneys and others, and it's even been in the Waco Tribune, that basically once a church is built here, it'll just be up to the trustees of the church who basically owns the property.
So it's even more of an, let's say, affirming whose property this is, and this property belongs to the surviving branch Davidians, and Clive Doyle's paid the back taxes.
But regardless, we're building a memorial to what happened here, and I don't think anybody would ever want to tear it down.
Hey, thank you, sir.
unidentified
Appreciate it.
Could you address any legal ramifications or legal advantages that you would have building a church here?
alex jones
Well, I've talked to attorneys and I've actually read some of the reports, some of the published reports.
Clive Doyle's already positioned.
He has a renowned attorney, former Attorney General Ramsey Clark.
He's paid the taxes.
And regardless of who gets this property, this place will always be basically a battlefield museum almost.
People are going to be coming out here probably forever wanting to understand what happened here.
So basically that's why we're here.
We want to put a mark on history saying the people of Central Texas and America said, no, this is wrong what happened here, and we're not going to believe the propaganda.
We're not going to believe the lies, and hopefully by leading by example, the media and others that are finally starting to wake up to what happened will also join us in trying to heal some of the wounds.
unidentified
Thank you.
Okay, here it is with a shovel.
Not yet.
Not yet, just stand still.
Everybody's talking about these tear gas rounds.
It's the 250, 40 millimeter high explosive rounds.
Ray, Ray!
You know what?
Shot that helicopter down here.
You know Mario.
alex jones
You remember Mario?
unidentified
Yeah.
Ray, I got one.
Well, we had a very little labor.
I love Miss Catherine.
I love Miss Catherine.
There she is!
We're gonna rebuild you a nice beautiful church out here!
There she is!
Miss.
Sheila, how you doing?
Hi, I'm proud of y'all.
Oh, it's good.
I'm glad.
We're going to go over there by the back wheel of that pickup truck.
Hey, you burn it, we rebuild it.
We're going to have a lot of grasshoppers to begin with.
Does anybody need any sunscreen?
I'll scan it in.
I'll go to a one-hour photo.
Although, there was a guy here earlier, he's got a digital camera, and he said he's going to email me some of his photos.
and I figure once people see the activity they'll be Steve Williams swinging it As he always does.
He's been involved in so many projects now.
No breeze at all folks.
There's Keith helping cut the seal.
Put the steel cutter.
Tying the steel.
Trying to.
Well, they're doing a great job.
Thank you.
You're welcome, man.
We ain't gonna take it anymore.
No, we're not gonna take it anymore.
We're riding upon the wall.
We got crime overtaking our cities.
We got gangs taking over our streets.
We keep handing out more and more welfare, though it never seems to meet their needs. - He's scattered from the back. - And down, Alex.
- Come on son, sit down right here.
- Get out of the house.
- Hey, shoot. - Everybody say Central Texas Resistance.
- Free to fight.
- Nothing you're saying about that. - I need Mike Hansen.
Why?
I'm all messed up.
alex jones
You mean they've got none of the materials we need?
What about a Home Depot?
unidentified
Oh, you mean...
I had an accident a year ago here.
Is that right?
Shredder.
Yeah?
Shredder, huh?
Shredded my whole heel off.
alex jones
Damn.
unidentified
And I had to have it amputated two days later.
All the way to the knee?
No, about eight inches below the eight.
Oh, okay.
But I was walking within eight weeks, six days.
Yes, sir.
Praise God.
Yes, sir.
Well, you're a local, aren't you?
Yeah, I live here.
I'm a camel.
Oh, you do?
Yeah.
I'm a pastor here.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
That dairy barn back there is our chapel.
Oh, okay.
alex jones
And hopefully it's going to cool off pretty soon.
We've got a lot of folks out here today.
A lot of folks are still working hard, a lot harder than I had.
You guys, make sure you don't have heat exhaustion.
Drink lots of fluids.
unidentified
It feels good.
alex jones
Challenging the false reality.
Not playing along with all their garbage.
unidentified
Put it in their face.
Getting up off our butts.
alex jones
This is good, ladies and gentlemen.
unidentified
This is important.
This is fantastic.
God bless you all.
alex jones
We're going to build this thing.
unidentified
This man does it all.
Even the Lord will be in that number.
When we have reached that heavenly.
What are we doing?
This is the four of the cars.
You say something.
No.
That's Jeff Davis digging.
Is that Jeff Davis digging?
Jeff Davis.
How long has he been out here digging?
An hour now.
Oh, he's got the pick.
Oh, get out of the way.
Jeff Davis got the pick.
He's blue-eyed, you know.
One eye blue left, the other one blue right.
It's been a while.
Get used to it.
Get out of the way, Keith.
Let it swing.
Oh, I thought he had a hernia.
He better stop.
He ain't got no hernia.
What'd you find?
Okay, this is to a.44 Magnum.
Yep.
You can tell.
You know all about guns.
Heck yeah, you're a great American kid, ain't you?
And this is to a 9mm.
That's a 9mm shell?
Uh-huh.
You got some bullets there.
.308.
Same man who did Joe Campana's house.
What's going on, Jimmy?
Hi.
Hold on just a minute.
I already got you on there going like that, looking so pretty.
Hello, Alex.
alex jones
Hello, Jimmy.
Just got done eating some great food.
unidentified
My friends call me Pokey, like Slow Pokey.
alex jones
I know, Pokey.
How's it going?
It's going.
I appreciate your help out here on this project.
As you can see, we're ahead of schedule.
Pouring all the cement with 60-something holes we've dug, all the spec.
We've got the engineer.
unidentified
60 holes, all the spec.
Yep.
There's my dump truck over there.
alex jones
It is great.
Great job.
unidentified
That's my brother.
alex jones
Great job, Ritter, for bringing all the concrete.
unidentified
I'm saying hi to him.
You know I'm seeing, aren't you?
Okay.
Hi, team. - Oh, that's good.
Hey, there's one of Gene's ex-girlfriends over there already.
That's hi.
Hold on, Alex.
We're going to have lost this.
It's the ones of us that ain't the exes that count.
Eight black helicopters, buildings on fire.
San Antonio, where are you guys from?
Cleveland, Fort Worth, Harrison.
alex jones
Call down to...
Call down and just ask the police department about the Delta Force and the bribery and how the police chief and the mayor had to throw them out.
What's your loving Delta Force that was here?
Your loving Army Special Operations?
unidentified
But it's been five years, six years?
How many years has it been?
Six and a half years.
I mean, why did it take you all so long to come up here?
Because there's been a big issue going on in the land.
alex jones
Well, number one, for about, what, three years they had barbed wire around it and the feds wouldn't let you in on it.
unidentified
Well, that was a lot of offenses, but no, there's a land issue still pending, but...
It's almost there.
alex jones
Yeah, and Klaus paid the taxes on it.
unidentified
For the last five years.
alex jones
We just moved forward.
You know, it feels good to actually do something to my life.
Not just react to the media and all the rest of it.
unidentified
I don't think we're supposed to be here now, but we're here anyway.
alex jones
Yeah, governments can stomp and kill people in other countries.
They're not going to do it here.
The next time they try it, they're going to be in for an unhappy surprise.
Just that simple.
I've confronted FBI and BATF out here right on this very ground.
unidentified
That's right.
alex jones
Out here spouting their propaganda.
I'm just sick of it.
They can blow up their federal buildings in Oklahoma City like Hitler, Bernd, and Reichstag.
They can build their concentration camps.
They can gear up for the fun they've got prepared for all of us.
It's history of the world.
From Rome to Babylon to Nazi Germany to Russia to China to Indonesia.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
See, people always doubt it because we're not taught the face of evil.
We're never taught the face of evil.
They always show us something else than what the person was really like or the system was truly like.
You haven't noticed your military is merging with your police, basically?
I don't know.
We've had about four Marines out here that have gotten out.
They're still in.
They're out training with foreign troops, put people in camps.
Just find a young Marine who's in force recon with the elite forces.
Ask them about it.
The whole doctrine's changed.
And they got new uniforms, by the way.
They're gray and black.
unidentified
Our Marines have urban warfare, and they wear SWAT team knee pads and stuff.
alex jones
Ready to rock, man.
Ready to rock into the American future.
It's all about.
unidentified
And what was Delta Force doing out here serving a search warrant that they never brought with them?
I mean, since when has Delta Force served?
alex jones
Delta Force was here with them on the first day, and that's now been proven.
unidentified
But see, what you've got to do is you've got to go to the Texas Rangers website.
alex jones
That's Texas Rangers, far from Cooke's.
They'll tell you about mines and explosives placed on top, 40-millimeter exploding rounds, Delta Force running around and killing people with want and abandon.
It's all there for everybody to read.
So it's interesting.
What, are you guys police or something?
unidentified
No.
No, I just...
alex jones
We always like to talk to people.
unidentified
I was interrogated like I was being interrogated by police.
alex jones
The other thing...
unidentified
You're a pastor.
You're a pastor.
What are you a pastor good for?
Who cares?
This was an education in itself.
alex jones
The point is, I've talked to hundreds of Americans that say, well, are people like that really healthy for America?
Who created your perceptions?
Who were the scientifically crafted...
Spend doctor campaign, and then are you strong enough to go back and look at the evidence or even spend the time?
You know, go to the library.
Go look at the information.
Look up at the data.
Watch the wake of the rules of engagement.
unidentified
The FBI's own flare footage that was snuck out by a good FBI agent.
alex jones
There's footage of them gunning people down.
unidentified
Let's go back to day one.
That's all about who shot first.
The missing doors.
Which way do the bullets go through the doors?
alex jones
What is that?
unidentified
37mm.
This is a police tear gas type weapon.
alex jones
We got some fragments from 40mm.
unidentified
But not tear gas, explosive.
alex jones
If you read the Dallas Morning News, you'll read about it.
unidentified
Also, uh... I'm working with all of the guys who are not shooting.
They're still pulling up in the catalog.
Six Delta Force men who died in the last week.
I hadn't heard about any of these people here.
A half hour?
alex jones
I got a syndicated radio.
unidentified
I'll see you.
alex jones
I'm going to go get some of the game.
unidentified
Thank you for...
I was just telling them how I first met Jeff Davis of the Jeff Davis Show.
And he thought I was nuts, and of course he's right.
But how Mike Hanson had overheard us talking, and Mike come to me and said he wanted to learn.
And Mike's taken off like a duck to water, and he and Alex are together, so...
All I know is we're getting this built.
We're going to build it.
Huh?
We're going to build this place.
By the hand of God, y'all will build it.
Months of Sundays, but it might take...
Months of Sundays.
That's right.
Might take two months of Sundays.
You can call it the hand of God.
You can call it wherever you want.
I don't know what we're going to do.
Alright, guys.
Where are you putting your name at?
What are we building?
A church.
For who?
What is this, Jesse?
Mount Carmel?
Yes.
Not so big.
That camera he's got, Dad?
He's got night vision.
You can't kill him at night and do it.
Hey, Josh.
What are you all using?
Nails.
Go ahead, Josh.
Put this in there, too.
There's some handprints.
And are we supposed to be using our whole name?
Just our first name?
Just our first name?
Steve, that's right, Steve Lane.
Hey, Steve Lane.
Don't mess with me.
Steve Lane used to be on the...
How's it going?
...on the something.
It used to be all one of the shows we produced.
Freedom Report with Alex Jones, then the Freedom Report by myself.
Then it became the Trailer Park Show.
Of course, well, now it's the Trailer Park Show, but then it was...
What did we start it out as, Jimmy?
I don't know.
You were in charge.
Not Conspiracy Debate.
And you didn't take charge very well.
I'm sorry, I'm really tired.
It was originally Conspiracy Debate.
I had to work.
But then we changed it to...
Freedom Forum.
Freedom Forum.
That was it.
That was your idea.
And believe it or not, I had somebody...
Well, I don't think Freedom Forum was my name.
I think Mike Hanson thought.
Well...
It came out for the better.
Yeah, now I just stick up with it.
Planet Park Show is a good show.
I think I've watched it before on spring.net.
Yeah, 10-4 on spring.net.
And there was a little...
Well, what did you think?
I liked it.
I can't remember which episode I saw now.
Can I have a nail?
Where's the nail?
You ain't seen them all?
No.
Alex Jones.
You burn it, we rebuild it.
There it is right there.
Look at there, folks.
You burn it, we rebuild it.
Right over the heart.
Yeah.
Right over...
- She's supposed to be dumping some dirt. - Okay guys, don't jump.
He's gonna bang the door.
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