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Jan. 1, 1999 - Alex Jones Show
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Alex Jones Exposes Salamander Harassment
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unidentified
Due to the salamander's listing as an endangered species, they cannot allow the public to be walking around where they may be apparently harassing or squishing them.
alex jones
So that's the salamander's favorite area, the scientists believe is right there below the diving board?
unidentified
Just upstream from the diving board, right across from the diving board is an area.
There's some changes that are happening to Barton Springs.
alex jones
We just got done talking to the head of public relations, Jim Hallbrook, down at...
Austin Parks and Recreation and he told us how they have to save the salamanders so people can't swim down here where they've been swimming for over a hundred years before that where the Indians were swimming.
So let's go on down there and talk to the park police, who I've heard are very friendly people.
Generally if they catch you swimming in an area you're not supposed to be, or if your dog's swimming where it's not supposed to be, and let's find out how the feds are saving us from ourselves. and let's find out how the feds are saving us Enforcing the law.
unidentified
Look at them.
alex jones
How y'all doing?
Y'all protecting the salamander?
Down here enforcing the federal edict, I see.
unidentified
Keep an eye on the project that they're building.
alex jones
What's the project?
Building a fence, huh?
To protect the salamanders.
Jim Holbrook.
We were just over at his office.
unidentified
Yeah, we're...
alex jones
You say we probably got more information?
unidentified
Than we do.
alex jones
Oh, yeah.
We know about the feds and their land grabs.
Getting us used to them telling us how to live.
For our best interest.
But, uh...
No, you guys are just doing your jobs.
So people aren't allowed to swim down here anymore.
Is what y'all been told.
unidentified
As far as I know.
alex jones
People just aren't even allowed to go down.
unidentified
Can I ask who you're with?
alex jones
Yeah, I'm with KJFK Radio and I have an Access TV show.
How you doing?
unidentified
Doing fine.
alex jones
Y'all are out here making sure.
unidentified
42, bro.
alex jones
Yes, sir?
unidentified
We're instructed not to speak with the media.
We have to.
And it's just not because of this.
It's any issue.
That's why he's heading to the house.
He's going home now.
But that's why we're not giving much information.
We're under our general order to say we're not supposed to talk to the media.
alex jones
I understand.
unidentified
That's what's going on.
We're not trying to evade your questions, you know.
But that's what's going on.
I think APD would be the same way.
They have a public information officer, and that's probably why I saw a lot of chitchat going on.
alex jones
Oh, I understand.
I understand.
It's just funny.
In America now, we see police everywhere protecting areas that the feds say we can't use.
Meanwhile, they're selling crack on East 11th.
And I realize y'all are park police, but how many people are in the park police?
How many officers?
unidentified
About 32, I believe.
alex jones
32 commissioned officers.
Commissioned on the street, and then how many in the bureaucracy?
unidentified
I don't know what you mean by bureaucracy, sir.
alex jones
People with desk jobs.
unidentified
I think just the chiefs.
alex jones
Just the chiefs.
unidentified
Just one.
alex jones
So 32 people to protect the parks.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
alex jones
Well, that seems reasonable.
I've actually heard there's some other areas off around in Austin where people aren't allowed to swim.
unidentified
What kind of areas do you mean?
alex jones
I've just been told about friends of mine being in other areas with their dogs and things and being told they can't have dogs swimming.
unidentified
I haven't heard about those.
alex jones
What about right down here below?
Are they planning to restrict down below the spillway?
unidentified
I haven't heard about that.
alex jones
You haven't heard about that?
unidentified
Yes, sir.
alex jones
What's your name, sir?
unidentified
Meg Larino.
Officer Meg Larino.
alex jones
Officer Meg Larino?
unidentified
Yes, sir.
alex jones
Nice to meet you, Alex Jones.
unidentified
Nice to meet you.
alex jones
Thanks a lot.
The lines and things, is it alright if we go down and just film it?
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Okay, thanks.
Are you ready?
Well, here we go.
The last few days, as they construct a fence around the area, a place where people have been swimming for over a hundred years, and before that, the Indians, as we said earlier.
So let's go down and take a look at the area that the EPA's here to keep us safe from ourselves, because we're so evil.
Let's go.
unidentified
Let's go.
Oh yeah, I'm in on it.
Yep.
From this angle or is he gonna come down here?
alex jones
No, no.
We'll just zoom up to him.
You know, as we walk down here to film this historic area where Austinites have been enjoying nature for a long time, this gentleman out of the clear blue said something that made absolute sense.
What'd you say, sir?
unidentified
First they lock you out, then they lock you up.
alex jones
First they lock you out, then they lock you up.
That's how systems have always worked.
unidentified
That's how it always works.
alex jones
Thanks a lot.
Okay Mike, start with me and then zoom in.
Here you have it.
As we speak, they're putting in these poles to create a fence around the sunken gardens which were constructed for people's enjoyment.
It's a real shame that we're losing our sovereignty here locally as the country is losing its sovereignty internationally.
And with executive orders and other unconstitutional acts, the executive branch is robbing Americans of their birthright.
You see, if they can restrict you from using your own park lands, what's next?
What else will you accept?
This is insanity.
And make no mistake, it's aimed directly at private property, watering down property rights, right here in the good old U.S. of A. You know, I have trouble even seeing any salamanders in this pool.
Salamanders are very common amphibian.
I would venture to guess, if I could capture one of these salamanders and go compare it with other stream and river salamanders, that you would find that it's a very common salamander.
But that would be a federal crime.
I would be put in federal prison, as others have been, for what they call endangering endangered species.
A Trojan horse to get your private property.
unidentified
Ready?
Yeah.
alex jones
You're talking about right here?
Now we're discussing an area what's...
We were just talking to a lady and we'll talk to her more in the future and she says that earlier this year she was here swimming with her son and they helped save some fish that are getting caught in a crack over here, kind of like what happens to salmon when they go into dams.
And of course you don't hear...
The EPA trying to fix these fish traps that have been created by the wall falling down here.
No, they're just concerned about getting you used to doing what they say.
So let's go down here and check this out.
Ma'am, is this what you're talking about right here? is this what you're talking about right here?
unidentified
Right here?
alex jones
Right here?
unidentified
Come on up.
Yeah, look straight down.
Back this way there, we're going to try to walk.
Probably not a bit late for a little bit.
Good job.
alex jones
I've got somebody's watch if they want it.
unidentified
Okay, uh...
alex jones
We're told that there are cracks in the rock here that creates a powerful suction that small fish get stuck in and I'm sure a precious salamander could also get stuck in there.
And we hope that the EPA, they really care about wildlife, will try to check into this, some of the real threats to wildlife.
And not people.
But as you can see, this entire area is being fenced off because they say we are causing a problem.
unidentified
You ready?
alex jones
This is the last time that any human Unless you're an environmentalist priest of the modern age, that Austinites or anyone else will be allowed in this area.
And it's, again, been used for a long time.
people actually built this structure and no longer will it be allowed for public use.
Well, let's go down here and get this and get out of here because I've got to go. - Woo!
This entire area is being restricted to human use.
What's next?
We hear that there may even be plans to restrict the spillway area where you're allowed to bring your dogs.
Take a look at the lush Eden that the federal government and pencil-necked bureaucrats, the type of people that tattled on you in high school and would try to steal your lunch money, Are engaged in.
unidentified
Hoorah!
alex jones
Yeah, I'm with the radio station.
I was going to act.
unidentified
Come on, let's go.
alex jones
Hey, radio station.
KJFK. What do you think of this area being fenced off and people not being able to use it?
unidentified
I think it sucks.
I'm from Canada, where people have freedom, freedom of speech, freedom to do what they want.
And over here, you guys are putting up fences in Austin, left and right, man, around the park downtown.
Now you're fixing on doing it down here.
You're going to restrict this whole waterway?
I don't think so, man.
I think the people ought to get up, stand for their rights.
Freedom of speech, freedom to go where they want.
This is the land of opportunity, this is the land of freedom.
You're putting up fences everywhere.
What's free?
alex jones
Well, sir, it's for your best interest, please.
unidentified
My best interest?
alex jones
Yes, the government wants to help you.
Now give up your private properties next.
We're going to help you out of your money.
unidentified
You want to help me?
Yes.
Let me enjoy myself.
Leave me alone.
alex jones
Sir, you're causing...
unidentified
Keep the places that people enjoy.
alex jones
What about the university professors that want to control your life?
unidentified
University professor?
Yeah.
What, you talking about those that are concerned with the salamander?
Yeah.
I think they ought to put them in the backyard and they have a stinking pool.
They want to observe them.
Alright?
alex jones
Salamanders are very rare.
They're only on every continent on the planet except for Antarctica.
unidentified
I'm pretty close to Antarctica, and I'll vouch for that.
There are no lizards there.
But we don't need any if they're going to restrict the way we live.
alex jones
Well, sir, they're very rare.
There's only thousands of species of them.
They're only all over the place.
We must take your property, please.
unidentified
No, no, thank you.
How about just dump a gallon of chlorine in that bass, and we'll exterminate them once and for all.
Overall, we can keep on enjoying ourselves.
alex jones
Well, we don't subscribe to that type of behavior.
But, you know, that's how they do it in Russia.
They take everybody's rights away, and then nobody cares anymore, and the whole country goes to crap, and everything falls apart.
And then you can sit up on top of it, bureaucrats, and control the whole mess.
Yes, we know how you operate, slime, and we're going to stop you.
Everybody's saying it.
The rumor's in the air.
And bureaucrats won't give us a straight answer.
What's next?
Shut down the lower part of Barton Springs where it feeds into Lake Austin?
unidentified
This belongs to the people of Austin.
alex jones
And it's very frightening to me that control freaks that lie to you have control of your minds out there.
They should not be shutting down sunken gardens and they should not be restricting Barton Springs and the area that feeds out of it.
This has been the Freedom Report.
Stay tuned.
...protecting the king's land.
You know, there's nothing new in history with elitist wanting to control property.
It's as old as feudalism itself.
It's as old as slavery.
It's an institution.
Teach populations that they don't have access to lands that they pay to maintain, and you've created a public that can be subverted and controlled.
And manipulated.
Let's go, Mike.
Earlier as we first got here, this gentleman called from a distance away.
And what he said rings absolutely true.
Tell us what you said, sir.
unidentified
First they lock you out, then they lock you up.
alex jones
First they lock you out, then they lock you up.
Feudalism, my friends.
Showing us who's boss, who controls the situation.
The bureaucrats downtown, the bureaucrats in Washington, not the people of this country.
And the way most Americans behave, we deserve what's happening.
And someday you'll be paying 30 bucks a pop to go in Barton Springs, and there'll be some elitist, cult-like environmental priestess, or priest, who has nothing to do with environment and everything to do with your bank account, making you say some strange incantation.
Governments need religions, and modern environmentalism is that religion.
Of course, it's controlled by a bunch of transnational banks that want to steal your property, but that's a little bit too intellectual for most Americans, so we'll continue to go on and be slaves.
Meanwhile, they'll continue to pillage the third world in the name of environmentalism.
Just give up your private property and all your problems will be solved.
Maybe they're right.
Thanks a lot, man.
unidentified
Take care.
You see this picture?
People pass by my door.
To tell me paradise on earth, it looks with water.
You know, is there always water?
And I don't drink, I don't do drugs, I don't smoke.
And I come here and bring my nine and a half year old, because it's within two miles of our home.
And you see how special this ring is?
It's man-made since the 1930s.
And if you go to the middle of that water, when you sing, you get echoes all around.
There are people playing drums and guitar here every day.
And I'll be a 51-year-old next month.
alex jones
But the bureaucrats don't like that.
They don't want you to have a good time.
unidentified
And you know, the last time...
alex jones
They want you to go to the shopping mall with the cameras watching you.
unidentified
The last time, some early 20-year-old there, and he said, this is a professional killer because he gets hired to go to Hong Kong and foreign places.
Kill people for lots of money.
He said, you really need a massage, because they know I do alternative healing.
So I just massaged him right here on the wall, and I was talking to him.
I said, you know how long?
It takes maybe 3,000 diapers pampered to change for a mother to raise a child.
I said, how do you feel if someone's professional killers kill you, how your mother would feel?
I was talking to him the whole time.
Before I knew it, there was people massaging all along the walls.
You know?
They were engaged.
They were just normal kids.
And it was such a beautiful sight.
There was music.
There was drums.
There were kids.
There were dogs.
And they were massaging, touching.
And they really looked like a paradise on earth.
alex jones
But this is free.
We must shut it down.
unidentified
I know.
You be the cynical one.
I be...
alex jones
I'm being sarcastic.
I'm illustrating.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
Okay, here.
My statement is a waterhole.
It's where human race congregates and where all culture mingles and starts.
No, it's shopping malls.
Go ahead.
And I'm an environmentalist.
I have 100% no garbage in my household.
I can live without money, without electricity, without refrigerator.
I spent 25 years in the Eastern world.
25 years in the Western world.
And I have something to say.
This should stay open.
This park police over here Mike.
I passed out some numbers to people who would want to do something besides just...
Hi, how you doing?
alex jones
Yeah, my name is Alex Jones and my friends and others and people have been calling me about what area below Barton Springs that they're going to be closing.
unidentified
Sure.
Debbie Kelton's office, can you help me?
alex jones
What's his first name?
unidentified
Okay, can I have your name?
Howdy.
alex jones
Hey, what's your name, sir?
unidentified
Jim Halbrook.
alex jones
Jim Halbrook.
I'm Alex Jones from KJFK Radio.
I also have an AXS TV show.
When did I talk to you?
unidentified
What was the...
Because I was on KJFK one time doing...
Shannon Burke show?
Yeah, Blowing Smoke.
alex jones
Shannon Burke.
unidentified
And then I think I talked to you on another issue.
Oh, cool.
And I had to get it recorded because I couldn't go...
To his show, it was being broadcast from Central Market.
That's right.
alex jones
Can we just spend a few minutes with you and ask you about what area down below Barton Springs is getting closed?
unidentified
Yeah, sure.
You're going to just go to the office or go outside?
alex jones
Nice and cool in here.
I just came down here to find out exactly what the rumors are and what I've been hearing about an area below Barton Springs being closed to the public.
unidentified
There is an area that is salamander habitat at Sunken Gardens.
Which is the concentric stone rings that are downstream from Barton Springs that the Environmental and Conservation Services Department has decided they need to put a fence around to keep litter, debris, and people from intruding upon that salamander habitat.
alex jones
Well, I know that those springs are natural, but aren't the gardens themselves man-made?
unidentified
The gardens themselves are man-made.
It's the concentric walls.
And the area that I've learned that they're looking at putting them in would come in basically right at the second ring.
You know, you've got your top ring and you've got a second ring.
And then the third ring is the little spring area.
And putting the fence there after the second ring and before the third one.
And then fencing off.
The water area, which is the salamander habitat, and bringing that fence down from the spring to where the spring flows to the trail itself.
alex jones
I heard also that it was to keep some of the vagrants and people from congregating down there at night.
unidentified
That's not true, because obviously we're sitting here with endangered species, and if that was the case, if that was a problem, one, we wouldn't deal with a problem that way.
And you would be seeing fences in other places.
Now the fences there, the reason for the fence is for salamander habitat.
alex jones
Yeah.
Why then have they not shut down Barton Springs Pool proper if it's salamander habitat, but they're shutting down some smaller springs?
unidentified
They have roped off areas of Barton Springs Pool and restricted and limited, actually restricted, no access to some of the areas.
And those areas, the fissures right next to the diving board.
We'll no longer have any public access to them because the springs are coming up right there, and due to the salamanders listing as an endangered species, they cannot allow the public to be walking around where they may be apparently harassing or squishing them.
alex jones
So that's the salamanders' favorite area.
The scientists believe it's right there.
Below the diving board?
unidentified
Just upstream from the diving board, right across from the diving board is an area.
There's some changes that are happening to Barton Springs Pool in getting the 10A permit that had been proposed.
One of the changes is the beach area, deeping in it, so that there's less chance of salamanders being treaded on by swimmers.
alex jones
So there's actually going to be perhaps some construction or some altering of the pool?
unidentified
There seems to be, for environmental reasons.
A lot of proposed changes to the Barton Springs area, including Sunken Gardens.
alex jones
Wasn't the salamander originally...
I mean, this is a whole other debate in and of itself.
But we had Lake Line Mall being held up because of a cave beetle.
I'm sure you remember that, don't you?
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
And then it was found that the beetle was actually all over the place.
Do you remember that?
unidentified
I remember Lake Line Mall still got built.
I'm not familiar with all of the...
alex jones
Well, the only point I'm trying to make...
Sir, is that either...
I understand that people needed a reason to say Barton Springs.
I've been swimming there since I was a little kid.
But there are salamanders all over the country.
Tens of thousands of different subspecies and variations.
One salamander might have a tail that's a millimeter longer and might have two black spots on its back rather than one.
This is species variation.
You will have, say, some pools in the mountains of Arizona.
Which are spring-fed, where you'll have a type of fish that has a different color spot, and actually that stopped construction and development and actually made people that have lived in Arizona for hundreds of years have had to move out of their property.
Of course, they were paid for it for fish that really can't even mate with other fish, but since they're localized to a specific pool and have a few characteristics that are different, I just have a lot of problems with the so-called science.
Behind this, because I've seen so much corruption, I don't mean you personally, I know you're just a public information officer.
People that mean well go out and find something like the spotted owl, say, because most people don't want to just clear-cut that beautiful timber, destroy our old-growth forest.
So they go and say, well, this is hurting this owl.
And then later they find out that the owl could actually live in barns and many other places.
Species have a lot of...
It's like we have parakeets.
The monk parakeets live right down here, and monk parakeets have never lived in this part.
unidentified
Yeah, they're definitely an exotic.
alex jones
Of North America, they're in Guatemala and southern Mexico, but because of the climate changes, which are either cyclical or...
I mean, I don't mean to be diatribing, it's just that...
I've heard about the Environmental Protection Agency now trying to actually classify some forms of bacteria as endangered down in the Houston Ship Channel and other areas, and it seems like a Trojan horse.
So, I don't mean to be diatriping.
This probably won't even be on the air.
I'm just trying to get to the point of where you understand where I'm coming from, sir, is that I don't understand why we're allowing more and more of our properties, public lands, to be restricted in the name of things like a salamander.
Do you have any of the Environmental Protection Agency's information about the salamander?
unidentified
That information and the questions that you're really presenting, which are good questions, really need to go to Robert Hanson, who's the endangered species biologist on staff who's dealing with this issue.
alex jones
Is he here?
unidentified
No, he's in a different building, but I'd be glad to give you his phone number.
alex jones
I mean, it's just that I heard all about Barton Springs over and over again.
And I heard about how we should do this and we should do that.
And then they said, well, the people in the springs are hurting the salamander.
And if we're really going to be honest about it, we need to shut the springs down.
See, that's not going to happen because people want to use it.
unidentified
And they've been using it for 69 years.
But, again, with the questions about the species and the habitat, I really have to refer you to the Environmental Conservation Services Department because they're who we're getting basically...
Our instruction from to some degree on this as far as what needs to be done.
And we're just trying to keep the pools and places open and operational.
alex jones
So basically y'all are just doing what you're told.
unidentified
Yes.
alex jones
And then you're just, it's Mr. Holbrook, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
We're doing what we're being told to do to comply with environmental laws.
alex jones
So Mr. Holbrook, all you're really doing is, you're the public information officer here in Austin for Parks and Recreation.
And you're just saying, hey, the Environmental Protection Agency is saying that the salamanders are endangered, so they're going to...
unidentified
Yeah, and they're telling us, stop doing this, start doing this.
You know, we held up some cleanings and then we got permits to...
The city got the permits to allow our department to go in and clean the pool again while they monitored our cleaning efforts.
And while they were monitoring, they were evaluating what works, what doesn't work, what harms the salamander, what doesn't harm the salamander.
alex jones
Do those permits cost money?
unidentified
Yeah, we can change.
You need to talk to Robert Hanson.
My guess is that the money that it costs is basically in staff time.
alex jones
Why can't Austin have a referendum on the salamander?
Why can't Austin do its own work, or why can't Texas?
Why do we need the Environmental Protection Agency and Carol Browner to do that for us?
unidentified
That's an environmental question that I can't answer.
I don't have any information on that one.
I don't know how the federal regulations work on that.
alex jones
So, Mr. Holbrook, basically what you're saying is they're going to shut down the sucking gardens areas, the pools that have water in them.
unidentified
Right.
Right.
Which would be the third ring.
It's the pool area.
And then the outflow to the trail itself.
alex jones
Because the salamanders live in there.
unidentified
Because the salamanders are living there.
alex jones
And people are stepping on them.
unidentified
Yeah, it's a matter of people being in the salamander habitat just like they roughed off the areas in Barton Springs as well as other things that come with people.
You know, the trash that gets in there and stuff like that.
alex jones
So it's just...
How old are the sunken gardens?
When were they first constructed?
unidentified
I believe that they were built by the CCC, one of the Depression Area Work Corps, as a lot of the things in Circle Park were.
alex jones
It has the look of a Roosevelt program.
unidentified
Yeah, it's a beautiful old structure.
alex jones
So basically, I guess that's all my questions then, Mr. Holbrook.
Look, it just comes down to the Environmental Protection Agency is allowing Barton Springs, in their graciousness, in their splendidness, to keep the parks open.
But there's going to be some restrictions.
Certain areas are going to be shut down.
unidentified
That's correct.
alex jones
Roped off, and they may actually alter the depth of the pool.
unidentified
That's correct.
alex jones
In some areas.
unidentified
And I have something to say.
This should stay open because our medical industry, our government industry, is not dealing with the homeless people on the route.
The ground root level to deal with their blood sugar, to settle their chemistry and blood sugar where the homeless people gather.
It should be people there to deal with their blood sugar and to help them.
And then all the other existing organizations is not helping them to do that.
And this is their last of the oasis here.
Because that's the only thing healing for them to jump in.
Get rid of their alcohol and jump out.
I stay away from them because they might trip on my feet and so forth.
And this place, since the 30s, man-made.
And the salamander was once disturbed already.
And in the winter, my son and I were jumping in this cold water, trying to get the crawfish's claws tight and pull them straight out so we don't yank them.
They were still alive.
I can't imagine how many salamanders got sucked in there.
alex jones
Oh, you said there's a crack in the wall?
unidentified
Many cracks on the wall.
It sucks my hair right through it.
I had to pull all the way back.
alex jones
So you're saying the government's not really concerned about the welfare of the salamanders?
unidentified
No, no.
See, the focus point should be fixing the wall so it's not detrimental to the marine biology in this pond.
You know?
And then the next flood comes, the wall's going to be so expensive to fix it.
Because right now, you still can fix it with little money, maybe for the same money that using the fence.
alex jones
Okay, ma'am, listen, we got to go, but thanks for the information.
unidentified
Yes, thank you for taking the interest.
alex jones
Hey, I'm glad.
unidentified
You know, and I want to give you this.
alex jones
Ma'am, what's your name again?
unidentified
My name is Wing Bo.
alex jones
Wing Bo.
unidentified
W-I-N-G, B-O-W, SUN. SUN stands for Servant of Mother Earth.
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