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What's going on, Jesse? | |
| Hey, man. | ||
| How's it going? | ||
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unidentified
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Pretty good. | |
| Uh, kind of ironic you're talking about black helicopters today. | ||
| Uh, me and my son were out and, uh, out and about in town today, and, uh, my wife was here at home with the other... Well, I gotta go, buddy, but call me back later. | ||
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unidentified
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All right, brother. | |
| Sure will. | ||
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unidentified
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Please do it. | |
| What's going on, Mr. Cooper? | ||
| Hello. | ||
| Yeah, that's one of my friends just called in. | ||
| He's got an Apache over his house with camera pods and infrared taking film. | ||
| We're going to play that on our TV show. | ||
| It's just wonderful. | ||
| We get followed around by unmarked police cars openly taking 35mm photographs of us. | ||
| That's just wonderful, isn't it? | ||
| Well, it's just one other manifestation of the Nazi Gestapo police state which has taken over this country. | ||
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Again, I get on this program six days a week, and I know how you feel when I talk to you this week. | |
| And I'm 24 years old! | ||
| I'm ready to just say, screw it! | ||
| Because you've got these people cramming cheeseburgers in their mouths, and they love it! | ||
| I mean, does it ever anger you? | ||
| Well, of course it does. | ||
| What angers me most is the stupidity of the vast herd of American sheeple out there. | ||
| I think they know something, and they don't even know what planet they're on to tell you the truth. | ||
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No, they don't. | |
| Simple things like private banks print the money and enslave everyone. | ||
| Simple things like Clinton's a transnational agent. | ||
| Well, your book, Behold a Pale Horse, is well known to almost everybody that has any know-how on any of these subjects. | ||
| You wrote that in 1988, didn't you, sir? | ||
| Well, actually, I wrote it over a period of years back Beginning in the early 80's and continuing up into about 88. | ||
| I finished it I believe in 89 and I may have added a couple of things in 90 and then it was published in December of 1990. | ||
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December of 1990? | |
| Uh huh. | ||
| How many copies are out? | ||
| Quite a few? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| It's been the number one underground best seller of all time with no advertising whatsoever. | ||
| People sell it on the street corners in New York City. | ||
| Barnes and Noble had to take it off the shelf in their New York City bookstore because by | ||
| their own admission it's the most stolen book in their inventory. | ||
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The most stolen book in their inventory? | |
| Yes. | ||
| Well I know people have tons of them around here. | ||
| Why don't you tell people sir just basically an overview of what Behold a Pale Horse tells | ||
| And now it's even more incredible that so much of what you've written has come true in the last eight years. | ||
| Yeah, every prediction that I ever made has come true, except for one. | ||
| That was only because I had not realized that they had gone as far as they have. | ||
| and that prediction that i was wrong about with that the manuel noriega | ||
| could not be tried in american court american prison | ||
| as he was the head of the sovereign nation and both the diplomatic immunity | ||
| just like anyone he would into our country to represent his country | ||
| and uh... | ||
| uh... of course that certainly prove that no one in the world is | ||
| faith now from the encroaching new world order and uh... they can go after anybody they want to including | ||
| the president of the united states if they want to and uh... americans don't | ||
| understand it they think uh... | ||
| we can go after somebody uh... that the head of a foreign country but we're | ||
| We're not safe. | ||
| Nobody's safe anymore. | ||
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That's because the global mafia runs things, and our president's just a little drill bit that they... a little front man, a little pitch man. | |
| Hello, sir? | ||
| I'm sorry, go ahead, my wife. | ||
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I understand. | |
| Well, I know you're... we'll get into what's been going on there in Arizona a little bit later. | ||
| I really appreciate you taking out the time to do this program with your busy schedule. | ||
| Where do you think things are going to be in the next two years? | ||
| Well, either Americans are going to wake up and they're going to stand up in unison and take up arms and challenge the federal government to step back within the boundaries of the Constitution, or there's going to be a civil war in this country. | ||
| The only alternative to that is total enslavement of the entire human race on a global scale, because that's where this is going. | ||
| This is all about a one-world totalitarian Socialist government. | ||
| It's about destroying all existing nation states, destroying all existing religions, save the religion of those who are bringing this about, which is the secular humanist socialist religion. | ||
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That way you can devalue human life and kill people. | |
| But they're already doing that. | ||
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Yes, they are. | |
| And they've already convinced the American people that it's okay. | ||
| The people whose ancestors came to the New World to escape religious persecution in the Old World stood and watched the Branch Davidians burn, including all of their children, all of their women, and they cheered and said that it was because they were a bunch of religious fanatics. | ||
| I heard Christians say that. | ||
| I heard Orthodox Jews say that. | ||
| I heard Baptists say it. | ||
| I heard Catholics say it. | ||
| And to their shame, I have to tell them that they are not religious, moral people. | ||
| They are stupid, ignorant people who are on the verge of enslavement, and they're going to deserve exactly what they get. | ||
| I have no sympathy for them whatsoever anymore. | ||
| I used to. | ||
| I used to cry big alligator tears for them in their ignorance, and I used to do everything I could to wake them up. | ||
| I've drawn my line in the sand, and I'm going to do what's right by God, and I don't give a damn who cares or who likes it or who doesn't. | ||
| Even if it means I have to die on my doorstep. | ||
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Well now we're getting to what's been happening. | |
| The feds are saying that you didn't show up for a court date but they never gave you a subpoena did they? | ||
| We have never received any subpoena, no notification, no nothing. | ||
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No nothing, and now the newspapers are reporting that Militiaman, they don't say best selling author, military veteran, no criminal record, William Cooper, they just say Arizona Militiaman tax fraud and bank fraud is refusing to come into the loving arms of Janet Reno. | |
| Not only will I not come in, but if the Civil War has to start right here, it will. | ||
| I am not a tax fraud or a tax cheat. | ||
| I pay all legal, lawful, and constitutional taxes which I am required to pay. | ||
| I've never defrauded any bank or any person in my entire life. | ||
| And I will protect my rights with the tools given to me by the founders in case it should ever come to this. | ||
| And if the rest of the sheeple uh... want to proceed into the pens and get shared and then | ||
| uh... for continue up the ramp for the slaughter | ||
| uh... that their business no matter what happened here | ||
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i would some people are sitting back and saying listen to mister | |
| cooper talking about people being killed | ||
| That never happens. | ||
| Governments never do that. | ||
| Every government in the world this century has engaged in slaughter. | ||
| Almost every government. | ||
| Look at the giant death toll that so-called communists. | ||
| It's in the hundreds of millions this century. | ||
| Why do we have to look at the communists? | ||
| It's happening right here in the United States. | ||
| Has been for quite some time. | ||
| The only ones that have reached the public eye are the Weaver family and the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas, but it's happened on a large scale all across this country in every state. | ||
| It usually is contained at the local level, and one of the indications that you will know that I'm right is that you haven't seen what's happening here on any of the major news networks, and you're not going to. | ||
| Because I've taken a stance documented in the law. | ||
| I've posted it on my webpage. | ||
| I have stated that I am a portion of the unorganized militia of the state of Arizona and the United States of America for many years. | ||
| And that my stance is well grounded. | ||
| I'm right. | ||
| I have a right to do what I'm doing. | ||
| And anybody that comes up here and tries to encroach upon my rights or take away the protection of the Constitution from me and my family is going to get a bullet. | ||
| And that's just the way it is. | ||
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Just to go back to what you just hinted at is the compartmentalization of news. | |
| We stopped, myself and a few others in this town, stopped the Delta Force from coming and doing secret military training and paying off our police chief. | ||
| Now the San Antonio police chief, a man that you ought to be aware of, is Al A. Philippus, and I went down and got an interview face-to-face on videotape And I've actually played the audio here on the show several times, where he said they tried to bribe him. | ||
| They were very unprofessional. | ||
| They know as never know. | ||
| They were out of their jurisdiction. | ||
| And they wanted to use live ammunition. | ||
| They're practicing taking over police stations. | ||
| Shouldn't our police realize that they're going to be some of the first people that will be going? | ||
| Well, they might if they weren't stupid sheeple like the rest of the herd. | ||
| But the truth is, the policemen came right out of the community where the sheeple live. | ||
| Why would anybody think that they're going to be any smarter than the rest of the animals out there? | ||
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So you think that most of them will go along. | |
| When I told Philippus to his face on tape, I said, well, what you've done here, sir, you're probably going to pay for in the future. | ||
| Well, it's absolutely true. | ||
| He is a big exception. | ||
| There are only about three sheriffs in the entire country who know what their authority is. | ||
| And have the guts to take a stand. | ||
| This is the only police chief that I've ever heard of who's taken the proper stand. | ||
| So if you want to know if they're going to go along with it, yeah, they'll go along with it to get their little paycheck. | ||
| See, they've sold their country out for what? | ||
| $20,000 a year? | ||
| $30,000 a year? | ||
| That's pretty cheap, isn't it? | ||
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It's pretty sick. | |
| It is. | ||
| And for maybe they'll get a retirement check in 20 or 30 years. | ||
| I understand what you're talking about and I find out more every day. | ||
| They sold their children's future, they sold their grandchildren's future and their great | ||
| grandchildren whom they haven't even seen yet. | ||
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Now Mr. Cooper, I understand what you're talking about and I find out more every day. | |
| Just a year ago I still couldn't accept some of this and even you yourself and I talked | ||
| to you last week said it took you years of studying a long time ago to finally understand | ||
| it all. | ||
| People's mindset, they think of the government as made up of the same go along, get along. | ||
| They don't understand the avarice and just how vicious and demented and inbred these people are. | ||
| Well, in the first place, you're wrong in your premise. | ||
| They don't think at all. | ||
| That's why commercials are 30 seconds long. | ||
| That is the attention span of the average American sheeple. | ||
| They can't think beyond 30 seconds. | ||
| That's why no American company, our business, our group, plans ahead more than about 2 or 3 months. | ||
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That's true. | |
| We have no long-term strategic goal for this country. | ||
| That's right, and that's why we're getting beat by the Marxist-Socialist-Communists, because they have 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 15-year plans. | ||
| Twenty-five year plans and fifty year plans, and they stick to them. | ||
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Man, absolutely. | |
| Well, it's scary then. | ||
| What's going to happen? | ||
| It's just going to be... I think that... Either the American people are going to become slaves within just a few years, and it's going to be an enslavement like nobody can even dream of, and it's going to extend worldwide, and we're the only people that can stop it, because we're the only people in the world, still, who have the capabilities... Have the arms. | ||
| and the arms to be able to stop it. | ||
| Or there's going to be a civil war which will last between 5 and 15 years to restore constitutional republican government and freedom and liberty worldwide. | ||
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Well that's the point. | |
| Even though most people are sheep, there is that between 5 and 10 million people that once it starts I think more people will come out. | ||
| And I don't want this to happen. | ||
| This is just going to wreck the nation. | ||
| I don't want it to happen either. | ||
| Ever since I saw the plan back in 1971 and 1972 when I was on the intelligence briefing team for CINCPAC Fleet to bring about one world totalitarian socialist government, and when I saw that the United States was behind the whole thing, this is not coming from without. | ||
| The United States created the United Nations. | ||
| created the european union that has just been formed. Well you're saying the united states | ||
| is acting as the world police force right now. Well you're saying the united states, | ||
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wouldn't you say a foreign aristocracy out of new york and boston that controls our nation? | |
| United states. Okay who? United states. | ||
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It's with its headquarters in Washington DC. District of Columbia. | |
| is stated and avowed policy. | ||
| Would you elaborate on that just a little bit? | ||
| That's what Behold a Pale Horse is all about! | ||
| I understand. | ||
| of all sovereign nations and existing religions around this world. | ||
| I'm telling you that I saw that plan while I was in the office of Naval Intelligence | ||
| on the intelligence briefing team, the commander in chief of the Pacific Fleet. | ||
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Would you elaborate on that just a little bit? | |
| That's what Behold a Pale Horse is all about. | ||
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unidentified
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I understand. | |
| That's what's in that book. | ||
| Well, I know the story, but a lot of people that are listening, and I'm sure that we'll | ||
| We'll go out and get Behold the Pale Horse. | ||
| We'll talk about those military briefings. | ||
| And I guess these people were proud that they were part of this power? | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| This has been a goal for this. | ||
| It's the reason this country was founded, and Americans don't understand that. | ||
| The Founding Fathers, many of them were deists. | ||
| They were members of the Secret Society. | ||
| Some of them were members of the Illuminati. | ||
| They created this country and gave the common man freedom for the first time in the history of the world, making him a king in his own right. | ||
| They told him what he had to do to keep his freedom and what he would lose if he didn't do it. | ||
| And when they did this, giving the common man freedom, it toppled all the kings and queens off their thrones all around the world and that was the major goal of establishing this country. | ||
| If the common man could have been vigilant and maintained his freedom and not given in to the I want, and I want, and I deserve, and you've got to feed me, and you've got to do this, and you've got to take care of me, and change my diaper, and wipe my butt, and get me a job, and entertain me, and all that kind of stuff, which always leads back into what they call democracy, which always leads into socialism, which end goal stated by Marx and Lenin is communism. | ||
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What did you first think? | |
| Democracy is absolutely indispensable to socialism. | ||
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What did you first think when you saw this openly being discussed in the top levels of the military? | |
| Well, it shocked the hell out of me, but they thought I was one of them. | ||
| It was an accident, but I got in there. | ||
| I'd been a member of the Demilay Society when I was 13 years old, only attended three meetings, and then my father was transferred to Japan. | ||
| I never saw another lodge and never went to another meeting. | ||
| That was the end of that. | ||
| When I filled out all my documentation for my top secret QSI security clearance, which was required to be able to work in the command center and on the briefing team at CPAC Fleet, I didn't see DMLA on there. | ||
| So I checked Freemason. | ||
| And when I checked Freemason, that's what opened all the doors and got me the security clearance and put me in those positions to be able to see what I saw. | ||
| And I think the hand of God was working when that happened. | ||
| so that I would be able to warn his people of what was coming. | ||
| I've been doing that ever since. | ||
| I didn't see absolutely everything, but I saw enough to give me an edge and a vast head | ||
| start on anybody that's ever lived before in the public sector that's not normally privy | ||
| to this information. | ||
| I spent the last, well, ever since researching to find out what it all meant and where we're | ||
| going. | ||
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Just to go back to what's happening here locally in Central Texas. | |
| We know that there are dozens of different alphabet soup agencies that have the helicopters with the forward infrared looking radar and all the rest of this. | ||
| Why are they gearing up like this? | ||
| Why is our county building a three acre under the roof helicopter base? | ||
| Just the warehouse is three acres under the roof. | ||
| Why are our police going and training at Fort Hood with the military? | ||
| What does this mean to the public? | ||
| Well, because they know what's coming. | ||
| They know that there's a hard core group of American men and women who are devout, religious, moral people, love freedom. | ||
| and are dedicated to the concept of liberty and freedom and will fight to protect and defend constitutional republican government against anything that comes along. | ||
| And when that begins, it's going to be a terrible, terrible thing. | ||
| I've spent most of my adult life trying to warn people and wake up enough people so that this did not have to happen because I know it's going to be terrible. | ||
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Now, President Clinton has now openly come out, and I'd actually read that they were pushing three years ago and I was talking about it. | |
| about the national ID card and biometrics, thumb scanning, retina scanning. | ||
| And since 94 in Texas, they've been thumb scanning us to get driver's license and people just stampede in there like, shoot, we had a big protest down there where I was arrested. | ||
| I guess it's six or eight months ago now. | ||
| What does it mean to the public when we have one card that our insurance and our credit cards and our bank accounts and our receipts and everything is on that one card? | ||
| Means the public is stupid and they're already a hair's breadth away from total enslavement. | ||
| If they had any brains at all, they would have said, no, I'm not taking that. | ||
| And if you don't like it, that's tough. | ||
| And all those businesses and all those driver's license bureaus and all those, the revenue that it brings in for all those cities and counties would have just evaporated in smoke and they would have backed down and said, okay, okay, you don't have to do it, we'll do it another way. | ||
| But there's too stupid to do that. | ||
| They don't understand that the power in this country is the power of the people, and that they don't have to do anything that's outside the bounds of the Constitution. | ||
| And the government can be held within the bounds, the restraints that the Constitution put upon it, that our Founding Fathers created so that the American people could never be enslaved. | ||
| What is the main goal of biometrics, retina scanning, thumb scanning? | ||
| In my opinion, it is total loss of control of your destiny. | ||
| the American people. The only way it could be done is from within if the American people | ||
| allowed it to be done. | ||
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What is the main goal of biometrics, retina scanning, thumb scanning? In my opinion it | |
| is total loss of control of your destiny. If the IRS doesn't like you now, they'll just | ||
| come take your house. If the IRS doesn't like you now, they'll just come and garnish your | ||
| But in the future, if they don't like you, they'll shut your card off. | ||
| Well, let me give you a vision of the future. | ||
| There will be no money. | ||
| There won't be any driver's licenses. | ||
| There won't be any insurance cards or anything like that. | ||
| Everybody will have an account on a computer. | ||
| Everybody will have a computer chip implant somewhere on their body that will access the computer. | ||
| Everybody, when they go to work, will get so many credits for that work, and they can go out and wave their little computer chip in their hand, or whatever it is, under a scanner at the supermarket, and buy whatever they've got credits to buy. | ||
| And if they don't have credits, they've got to stay home until they get some credits. | ||
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Let me stop you for a second. | |
| I read this almost every week, at least once, and it's from the April 27, 1997, Time Magazine, The Future of Money. | ||
| the April 27, 1997 Time Magazine, The Future of Money. | ||
| I'm sure you've read it. | ||
| And it openly on page 51, and anybody out there that thinks Mr. Cooper or I are BSing | ||
| you, go read it. | ||
| And it says the best part, now this is their words, the best part about it is your daughter in the near future can have a chip under her skin and you won't have to buy the drinks for at the bar. | ||
| I mean, everything's insane about that paragraph. | ||
| And the whole 10 page article is about how great the smart card is and then the chip. | ||
| And as we know, Time Magazine is a filthy, elitist propaganda rag. | ||
| So I can't see how anybody would deny this. | ||
| But I guess most people only see it as a convenience. | ||
| What's insane about it is that the American people think that that would be convenient or that that would be good for them. | ||
| It is the ultimate end-run goal to enslave the populace and to steal what's left that's not already stolen. | ||
| By the elite who are engineering and machinizing all of this stuff to make it come about. | ||
| Now, the goal of a debt based economy is not to get caught stealing. | ||
| And that's what they're doing, stealing the wealth and the substance and the nation right out from under us. | ||
| That's the only end result that can come out of a debt based economy. | ||
| And the only way that they can't get caught is if the people allow them Go to a cashless system. | ||
| Then they can never get caught. | ||
| But if they don't go to a cashless system, eventually the economy will collapse and they're going to get caught. | ||
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That's exactly it. | |
| That's why they want to go to a cashless system and that's why they ultimately have to. | ||
| Anybody understands how this economy works and what the end result of a debt-based economy, where the interest is never created or printed, It's a fiat Ponzi scheme. | ||
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It's a fiat ponzi scheme. | |
| It's got to collapse or they have to go to a totally cashless system in order that they don't get caught and are able to | ||
| perpetuate the theft. | ||
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So what you're saying is that we have a fiat ponzi scheme, con game government monetary system based on fractional | |
| reserve banking and that the money machines are printing out of control. | ||
| I talked to Congressman Ron Paul just a few weeks ago, and he said, yes, the Federal Reserve is printing 10% more money into the supply every six to eight months. | ||
| So this is creating this false prosperity, and the public just loves it. | ||
| But meanwhile, they're just coaxing us in to this cashless society so the fairy tale can continue. | ||
| That's exactly right. | ||
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Let's go back, and I will continue. | |
| And the only way to keep it going until they do that Oh, but that's been reformed. | ||
| It got reformed last week. | ||
| more inflation which devalues the value of what everybody is earning and making and that's | ||
| why everybody feels more and more strained every year and keeps sucking more and more | ||
| out of the system through the bogus Internal Revenue Service income tax system so that | ||
| they can keep from getting caught as long as possible. | ||
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Oh, but that's been reformed. | |
| It got reformed last week. | ||
| Didn't you hear? | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| boy probably that is is not playing with the book In fact, they're not even playing with a deck of cards. | ||
| They're playing with matchsticks. | ||
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Well, I'll never forget. | |
| President Clinton got up there on TV six, eight months ago, or I guess a year ago now, and drew that big zero on a white piece of paper. | ||
| And then I had people coming up to me on the street saying, Mr. Jones, have you heard the budget's balanced, the deficit's fixed? | ||
| That simple thing. | ||
| It's like they're three-year-olds. | ||
| Well, they are three-year-olds. | ||
| That's their mentality. | ||
| The average American has never had an original thought in his entire life, or her entire life. | ||
| And if they're not told what to think, they cannot think. | ||
| And that's the truth. | ||
| Clinton didn't do anything except eliminate the deficit. | ||
| You know how you eliminate the deficit? | ||
| You either don't spend as much so that you stay within the bounds allotted by Congress, or you have Congress pass more allotments So that you can spend more than what you need to spend. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I make... It did not pay off the national debt. | ||
| Did not balance the budget. | ||
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Well, yes. | |
| If I could give myself endless pay raises, I could go out and buy skyscrapers and a thousand Cadillacs and a hundred Mercedes. | ||
| As long as I just... And still not have a deficit. | ||
| A deficit is when you spend more than what you've been given. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| That's a deficit. | ||
| So when he says we got a zero deficit, that means absolutely nothing except Congress is allotting more money for the government to spend, because the government is not spending less, they're spending more than they ever have had. | ||
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They are spending more, and they're using this to beef up the police state. | |
| It's obvious to anybody that honestly looks at it. | ||
| Back to what's happening with you. | ||
| Now, I have run documentaries that you've been involved with many times here on television in Austin. | ||
| and like rye stock ninety five and others and those are uh... | ||
| people who've been that those the most educational meant and they do enjoy | ||
| them talk a little bit about how you were at the top of bill clinton's | ||
| fbi list well | ||
| ever since nineteen eighty eight when i began telling the uh... the | ||
| world not just the american people but the world | ||
| about majesty twelve which is the plan to enslave the human race in the world | ||
| totalitarian socialist government uh... the murder of the uh... the military of the united | ||
| states and what used to be known as the old soviet union under nato which | ||
| is occurring now to create the world police force | ||
| It was a great pleasure. | ||
| Most people don't understand that NATO is an arm of the United Nations. | ||
| It was formed under the auspices of the United Nations Charter and takes its orders from the Security Council. | ||
| What is your opinion of the UN passing its new world court? | ||
| of the United Nations Charter and was an arm of the United Nations and took its orders | ||
| also from the Security Council. | ||
| The Cold War was a total farce and that's why we never had any military conflicts with | ||
| the Soviet Union. | ||
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What is your opinion of the UN passing its new world court? | |
| Well if they passed a world court, how can they have a world court if there is sovereign | ||
| nations because sovereign nations are not subject to any courts but their own. | ||
| So how can they have a world court unless there's a world government to which sovereign nations have given up their sovereignty? | ||
| Does the Constitution for the United States of America say that we are subject to the dictates or the jurisdiction or the rulings of a world court? | ||
| Does it say that anywhere in the Constitution? | ||
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No, it doesn't. | |
| And when I watch the local news, all I hear is how wonderful the United Nations is. | ||
| Our public are being indoctrinated about this. | ||
| Sir, I know that you didn't ask me about this, but do you have a 1-800 number or a number where people can order Behold a Pale Horse? | ||
| No, I don't have a 1-800 number, and even if I did, they couldn't order because I will not contribute to the To the debt-based destruction of our economy and property of the American people. | ||
| So they can't order anything from us by phone. | ||
| If they want to order something from us, they have to send blank postal money orders or cash. | ||
| If you hold a pale horse, it's $30 delivered to your door, and you can order by sending blank money orders or cash to Harvest Trust, in care of, and make sure you put in care of on the address. | ||
| P.O. | ||
| Box 2470, that's P.O. | ||
| Box 2470, Eager, spelled E-A-G-A-R, that's Eager, spelled E-A-G-A-R, Arizona 85925. | ||
| Once again, the zip is 85925. | ||
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Say it all one more time. | |
| Harvest Trust, in care of P.O. | ||
| Box 2470, Eager, Excuse me, that's the wrong town, I'm sorry. | ||
| Make it in care of P.O. | ||
| Box 1970 and the rest is okay. | ||
| Harvest Trust in care of P.O. | ||
| Box 1970 Eager, spelled E-A-G-A-R, Arizona 85925. | ||
| Well I know you have a lot on your mind. | ||
| Yeah, sorry about the mix-up on the P.O. | ||
| Box. | ||
| It's 1-9-7-0 and not what I gave you. | ||
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And for $30, this is a very large book. | |
| And the illustration on it is very interesting. | ||
| It says a mouthful right there on the cover. | ||
| Just to get back real fast to exactly what's happening with you and your family. | ||
| You have no criminal record. | ||
| You were honorably discharged from the military. | ||
| You're an author, shortwave radio host, and you have a monthly newspaper. | ||
| No, that's wrong. | ||
| they come out against you the feds and say that you cheat on your taxes from | ||
| from ninety two to ninety four but you told me on the telephone that you | ||
| haven't been paying taxes for twelve years no that's wrong okay you're paying | ||
| legal taxes. I have not filed or paid the so-called income tax to private banks. | ||
| an excise tax to private banks for almost it's either 11 or 12 years I | ||
| forget which I've never made a secret of that I am not liable for the so-called | ||
| income tax administered by the so-called Internal Revenue Service and I am not | ||
| but I do pay all lawful and constitutional taxes which I am required to pay and always will. Give us an example of a | ||
| lawful tax. | ||
| Well, a lawful tax would be a state sales tax down at your local grocery store. | ||
| A lawful tax would be a property tax for which you paid for it with the Fiat Federal Reserve notes instead of gold or silver coin. | ||
| You can't pay off a debt with a debt, so you never really purchase anything in this country in this debt-based economy with the Fiat Federal Reserve notes. | ||
| All you do is take possession under a lease. | ||
| And the ownership stays with the government. | ||
| That's why you get a warrant deed when you pay off your house instead of the patent title to the property. | ||
| And that's why you get a certificate of title when you think you paid for your automobile instead of the actual patent title to that property. | ||
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This is all being done with contract fraud and people can't even... Yes, it is fraud. | |
| It's all fraud. | ||
| That's why I catch myself, as I get deeper and deeper into this, becoming more angry, Flat out, I guess I'm at the point where you said that you were several years ago, where you're just sad about it, because you see the people thinking they have a grasp of what's happening in the civilization. | ||
| But I've read enough history, I know enough about the country and what's been happening, to realize that pretty much everything that you're told in the media has lies weaved right into it. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| The American people are standing inside the gates of Disneyland, holding their e-ticket, which is expired, None of the rides are working and they're just having a great time. | ||
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I didn't say in the next two years. | |
| I said in the next very few years. | ||
| I don't have a crystal ball. | ||
| God does not whisper in my ear. | ||
| I'm not a prophet and I'm not a psychic. | ||
| But I can tell you from what I saw in that plan when I was with ONI. | ||
| And what I have researched since then tells me that within a very few years the American people are either going to be totally enslaved in the worst enslavement that you can even dream of or there's going to be a civil war actively being fought under the most terrible conditions in this country. | ||
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Well I don't have a crystal ball but it's pretty simple to predict what these guys are going to do now that they're out in the open. | |
| I mean ten years ago it wasn't so out in the open. | ||
| Now you Turn on the TV. | ||
| You in world court. | ||
| Clinton pushes national ID card. | ||
| You turn on rare news hour. | ||
| Secret military teams are trading with your local police. | ||
| It's pretty much in your face now and I don't know if Clinton wants to leave office or maybe he wants to go be Head of the UN or something. | ||
| Who do you think as leaders from your intelligence networks, do you think are on the horizon? | ||
| Who do you think the next president will be? | ||
| Why do I care? | ||
| They're not my leaders, and it's not my government anymore. | ||
| They have subverted my government, destroyed it from within, and my only hope is that I can find enough good American patriots who are moral, who are good men, who understand what liberty and freedom is all about. | ||
| To go in there and restore constitutional Republican government by any method that it requires, including the force of arms. | ||
| Otherwise, my children and my grandchildren and my great-grandchildren are going to be slaves. | ||
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So you've totally turned your back completely on the festering system. | |
| It's not my system. | ||
| It is not operating within the boundaries of the Constitution. | ||
| They have thrown the Constitution out. | ||
| It is treason in operation. | ||
| There is a subversion of government going on as we speak in the halls of government throughout this country, not just in Washington, D.C. | ||
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So you're saying it is criminal enterprise, incredibly sophisticated, controlling Hollywood, the universities, and the major mass media through foundation money and through control of finance, and all their whores and all their pumps and all their little agents don't mean a damn to you. | |
| You're going to take care of your family, try to educate the public, and just continue to prepare. | ||
| And you're saying that you have not committed any crimes, You're not bothering anybody, and if the feds try to come and take your home and take your family, that you're going to oppose them with force of arms? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| They have declared war upon me and all patriots and everybody in this country who is a loyal constitutionalist, who has taken an oath to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, and if the Civil War has to start on my doorstep, that's as good a place as any. | ||
| That's fine with me. | ||
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So the Civil War has to start. | |
| Might as well start right here. | ||
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Now, the Federal Attorney General out there, is it Rivera? | |
| Jesus Rivera? | ||
| He's saying that they're going to proceed against you with prejudice and caution. | ||
| I think... Well, you're reading... No, no, no. | ||
| You're reading an article that you read in the Arizona Reporter. | ||
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Yes, I am. | |
| The communist newspaper. | ||
| It never tells the truth. | ||
| I can guarantee you that that's not what he said. | ||
| I can guarantee you that what he quotes that Sheriff Arthur Lee said is not the truth. | ||
| We spoke to Sheriff Arthur Lee last night. | ||
| Arthur Lee says that I'm right, that he has jurisdiction over the feds in this county, and he has told them not to come in this county and harass this family. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| Well, we've learned that with the press, that they will flat out not twist the truth, but when they need to, they will flat out lie. | ||
| Flat out lie. | ||
| Flat out lie. | ||
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Well that's great then. | |
| You're not in too much trouble if you've got the sheriff on your side. | ||
| People don't realize the power of the sheriff. | ||
| Not just the sheriff. | ||
| This is a good American community here. | ||
| There is a very strong militia. | ||
| Not just here, but good, solid Americans all across this country are sick and fed up. | ||
| We know that if they attempt anything here, There's going to be a war of the likes of you. | ||
| You can't conceive of what's going to happen. | ||
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What can people here in Central Texas do to try to fix what's happening to the federal government? | |
| You cannot fix it. | ||
| It cannot be fixed. | ||
| All we can do... They're not gonna let anybody fix it. | ||
| Your vote doesn't mean a damn thing, and if you haven't figured that out yet, then you're too far gone to even be listening to me. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| That's what Congressman Ron Paul, and I was shocked when even he said that. | ||
| He said to me in the past and to my associates that all he can do is try to get the word out up in Washington that he really doesn't have any power. | ||
| All he can do is try to raise alarm bells about fascistic, communistic legislation that comes rolling past him every day. | ||
| And he said that he thinks things are far gone. | ||
| I said, so sir, the sun is setting on the republic. | ||
| And he goes, well, it's pretty much already set. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| And we're going into this thing full bore. | ||
| That's why the socialists talk about the New Dawn. | ||
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What is the New Dawn? | |
| The New Dawn is the fruition, bringing to fruition of the New World Order. | ||
| Their totalitarian, socialist, utopian... Technocracy. | ||
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Technocracy too, sir. | |
| Doesn't technology tie into their little fun games? | ||
| That's their biggest weakness. | ||
| I just hope they cling to their technology with all they've got. | ||
| I hope they train every soldier to use computers and not be able to function without a satellite uplink and all of that stuff so we can just kick their butts all the way back to Washington D.C. | ||
| and try them for the crimes that they're guilty of. | ||
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Sir, I don't want to get into the things that you've already sacrificed and done for your country, but you've actually You've been threatened quite a bit and people have actually attempted to try to kill you, haven't they? | |
| Oh, yes. | ||
| Almost succeeded a couple of times. | ||
| In fact, you lost... My head caved in. | ||
| I've lost my left leg in this fight. | ||
| We've been shot at. | ||
| We've been threatened. | ||
| They made it so that we couldn't work for anybody. | ||
| But, you know, that's exactly what happened to the Founding Fathers. | ||
| They lost everything. | ||
| They lost their families. | ||
| They lost their children. | ||
| They lost their wives. | ||
| They lost their property, they lost limbs, they lost everything. | ||
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And it was only really 2% at the start of the revolution that got it going, wasn't it? | |
| Well, I believe it was about 3.8% of all the people in the colonies helped found this nation and fought the Revolutionary War to create it and give what they called their posterity liberty and freedom. | ||
| And the United States government was created to protect the rights of individuals, whether or not they voted. | ||
| No matter what happened, they were supposed to stay within the bounds of the Constitution and protect the rights of individuals and guaranteed us in that document constitutional Republican government. | ||
| Not just in Washington, D.C., but in every state, every county, every city of this country. | ||
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So Mr. Cooper, you think that It doesn't matter what they do, they lose and they know it. | |
| They've stepped on their dicks this time. | ||
| No matter what they do, they lose and they know it. | ||
| and uh... launching a hellfire attack with a doesn't matter what they do they | ||
| lose and they know it they've stepped on their dicks this time no matter what | ||
| they do they lose | ||
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and they know it because they make a martyr out of william cooper | |
| not only that i'm right within the law i am right under the constitution and i am right within the | ||
| law and it's all posted on my website | ||
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So, you're saying you've got it all in your eyes, you've crossed all your T's. | |
| Absolutely. | ||
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You've drawn your line in the sand. | |
| They lose. | ||
| They either back down and get within the bounds of the Constitution, they lose. | ||
| They come up here and they kill us all, they lose. | ||
| And we're still free. | ||
| A lot of people aren't going to understand that. | ||
| But I'll still be free. | ||
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No, you were mentally free. | |
| You didn't bow down. | ||
| You didn't play the game. | ||
| You didn't compromise. | ||
| You died with your morals and with what you believed, and you were not altered by their propaganda or their intimidation. | ||
| That's right, and none of us are afraid. | ||
| We are Christians. | ||
| We know that if we do the right thing, God is going to smile at us when we get to those pearly gates. | ||
| However people view those pearly gates, I don't care. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| Well, sir, again, I really appreciate you taking out this time to speak to people here in Central Texas. | ||
| I'd like to give out the website because that's where people can get the documentation and the law and see what's really happening and understand why we're right and not just blowing smoke and understand that this is the stance that they're also going to have to take if they want to be free. | ||
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Yes, sir. | |
| People who are not willing to die for freedom can never have it. | ||
| That's the law of the universe. | ||
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Will you stay with us for a break, because I'm actually behind two breaks, and if you'd stay with us... I just wanted to give out the website, though, because I've got to get going, too. | |
| Okay, go ahead and give out your website, sir. | ||
| There's no www. | ||
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It's just Harvest-Trust.org Harvest Trust. | |
| No, it's not Harvest Trust. | ||
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It's harvest-trust.org. | |
| All righty. | ||
| Well, sir, I really appreciate it. | ||
| When they go there, they're going to be absolutely amazed. | ||
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Well, I've been there several times, and it is a lot of good information people will see. | |
| And I do respect you, and I certainly hope that the feds do back down, | ||
| because I know that once a revolution does start in this country, and we've had a couple of them, | ||
| that it's not going to be a pretty one, and that's it. | ||
| The whole thing starts, and I know that I'm on the list. | ||
| And I've heard a lot of people say, you know, I want to be on all the lists, at the top of every list. | ||
| Well, I'll do what I have to do, but to tell you the truth, I don't want to be on all their filthy lists. | ||
| If you're not one of them, there's only one list and you're already on it, so stop worrying about it. | ||
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Do what you're supposed to do. | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| Well, Mr. Cooper, thanks a lot for being with us this evening, and I'll be following what's going on from here in Austin with the controlled media, and try to keep in touch with you and find out what's happening. | ||
| And I've been very attentive to try to Come out to Arizona, but I figured that you had everything under control. | ||
| I was just going to come out and probably do a news story, but I don't have the time either. | ||
| And if they kill you, well, who knows? | ||
| It may explode here, too. | ||
| And they've got their little unmarked driving around and all the rest of the behavior going on. | ||
| And I'm sure sad that there's elements of our federal government and a lot of dupes that work for them that really don't know who they're really working for. | ||
| What would you say to the law enforcement officers out driving around in their cars? | ||
| Because I get a lot of calls from them on this program. | ||
| Well, the only thing I can say to them is they're not going to like being slaves either. | ||
| That badge and that gun isn't going to give them any special privileges in the New World Order. | ||
| In fact, if they'll read State Department Publication 7277, they'll find out that most of their law enforcement agencies are going to disappear except for a small group that will be just used to maintain internal order once they have everybody in the bonds of enslavement. | ||
| And also, if they study the history of Socialism and Communism, everybody who helped Socialism and Communism come to power are the first people that they eliminate once they have welded the last chains in place. | ||
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Yes, I say this all the time, because they were the people that helped get the establishment into full command. | |
| They know how the system works at certain levels. | ||
| They're the biggest threat. | ||
| It's just like this, whenever some little slime ball comes up to the gate and opens up the castle gate and lowers the drawbridge for the enemy to come in, the first person the enemy kills is that traitor because the enemy knows that next week that little rat traitor is going to open the gate for somebody else. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| They'll go against the constitution now, they'll go against socialism later. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| It's as simple as the nose on your face. | ||
| So all you little traders marching around out there think you're going to be some big whiz in this new world order. | ||
| You're not. | ||
| You're going to be right up there on the scaffold hanging with the rest of them. | ||
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Well, sir, again, Mr. Cooper, have a good one. | |
| And thanks for being with us this evening. | ||
| Again, this is all, I guess it's not good news. | ||
| It's not bad news. | ||
| It is just the news. | ||
| And I'll be trying to keep in touch with you. | ||
| God bless. | ||
| You too. |
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