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Adventures in HellwQrld Presents: Titanic Truth!

This week we dig into conspiracy theories about the Titanic and also spend a long time talking about the movie. Stick around for all of and how it will seamlessly mesh with next week's episode about The Fed. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hello everybody, I am Mike Raines, a.k.a.
Poker and Politics, and welcome to another episode of Adventures in Hellworld.
This week I am joined as always by Haley, a.k.a.
Chaley, a.k.a.
Arizona Rightwatch.
Hello listeners, happy last week of as normal as we'll probably ever get again.
So, hi.
Just so melancholy.
So absolutely miserable.
Just like, hello everybody.
This is the last week before it all turns to shit.
Gonna have some fun.
Gonna talk about the tight stick.
Yeah.
That's all I got.
And I'm also joined by Eric, the Deep State Operative, who's also the Deep Sea Operative today.
That's right.
And I regret to inform you all that despite all my efforts, my heart will not go on.
No, it will not.
Oh!
Jack!
We had a long conversation about it, my heart and me, and it's just, it's giving up the ghost.
It's tapping out.
It's calling it a day.
That's right.
It was like, Haley's ready.
We're all done for.
This sucks.
I'm getting the check.
And it's like, man.
Man, this is suboptimal.
Actually, I understand that James Cameron did not want to have that song in the movie, but I guess that was the one thing that even editor-proof James Cameron couldn't get past.
They're like, you're putting Celine in the movie.
You have no say in it.
This is going to happen.
That song was like...
Took over.
It was like a phenomenon in itself when it came out.
I'm honestly kind of excited that we're doing this episode because, one, it is the last week of the...
It's nothing but normal here, folks.
So it's kind of nice to do this random Titanic episode.
And I was really excited for this because I was five years old when the James Cameron Titanic came out and it was like...
Boom.
Phenomenon.
I was obsessed as a kid.
I don't really understand why, because I did do a re-watch for this, because I did become re-obsessed with the Titanic.
Just, I don't understand what I liked about the movie as a kid.
Well, one thing I noticed from re-watching stuff from when I was five is that your standards definitely changed.
Like, I remember when I was five, Masters of the Universe was the greatest show ever written by man.
And then I watched it again later on and I'm like, oh my god, this is so hokey.
How did I ever...
I mean, not that it was bad, it's just I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh my god, how did I think that this was great?
It's just yet another kid cartoon designed to sell toys.
And I'm saying this as a humongous Transformers fan who is well aware that the entire franchise exists solely to sell toys.
I think that's one of the funniest things about the Transformers movie was that the people who made it had no idea that killing so many characters would be devastating and be such an iconic and lasting thing.
We were just re-racking the new series of toys.
We didn't really think that blowing away Optimus Prime and all those other guys really mattered because we were like, yo kids, your toys are out of date.
Buy the new toys.
That's all we were going for.
I literally cried when they killed Optimus Prime.
And it's like 10 minutes into the movie, too.
It's not like it was even the climax.
They're just like, hey, Optimus, how's it going?
I'm like, Optimus, no!
And he's just dead.
They made him a Star Trek red shirt.
I couldn't believe it.
Oh, and on that note, I am wearing an original Star Trek t-shirt today.
Oh, hell yeah.
You know, I think that's kind of part of...
Why I was caught in the Titanic phenomenon as a kid.
Number one, I think I realized, again, I was five.
I think I realized I was bisexual because I was in love with both Jack and Rose because I thought they were both hot.
Problematic alert, though.
In the movie, there's a core factor of the movie that they find a nude portrait of Rose and then old Rose sees it on the news and gets a hold of the explorers and tells the story.
She's 17 in the movie.
She's 17. They went a little anime with it, and she's 17 years old, and there's a full nude scene in it that's like, she's nude.
You see titties.
She's 17. This was the Gilded Age, you know?
You didn't have to do that, James Cameron.
But I think that's kind of why I was caught in the phenomenon as a child's second reason, besides...
Realizing I was a bisexual is that there was a lot of product related to the Titanic when it came out.
You could get the big fat-ass necklace replica in a store.
I remember there was a pop-up at the mall that I lived nearby that had the dresses from the movie, a bunch of shit from the fucking movie, and then there was the...
Kind of the exhibits that toured that was like Experience the Titanic which I went to as a kid and like they had a big piece of ice that you could like put your body on and feel like what it was like to be cold.
I don't know.
Experience cold, children!
You're like, I'm from Arizona!
Cold is an impossibility!
And they're like, no!
It could happen!
You too could experience cold!
Were you amazed to discover that ice is a real thing and not just something they made up for TV? I was like, whoa, look at the big thing of ice!
I guess there was an accident.
Titanic is hilarious because the story is just a series of accidents through history since its inception.
And one of the accidents was at an exhibit that had the big cold block of ice that fell through the building it was in and people were injured.
Anything to do with the Titanic results in disaster is the moral that we're going for here.
Like the Titan submarine.
Yes, yes.
Take that, idiot.
Ah, hubris.
Truly the greatest of all mistakes.
I keep forgetting about that, and then someone brings it up again.
Yeah, it was an exploration to the Titanic.
I told Mike and Eric that I was going to be super annoying this episode because it unlocked my Titanic fanaticism again.
Fun fact, Stockton Rush, who died in the Titan submarine explosion, he was married to a descendant of people who died on the Titanic.
Fun fact!
Fun fact, and he was exploring, obviously, it was an exploration of the Titanic.
So there's your first fun fact of the episode, folks.
Write them all down.
There's going to be a quiz at the end of the episode.
We expect the best out of all of you.
Yes, and it will be short answer and essay questions.
No multiple choice.
Oh, we're going tough.
We're going real tough on them.
Oh, man.
I think part of that is the fun, too, is that a lot of rich people have died.
Because the richest person in the world died, not to be too morbid, but it does stir something a little bit in the people.
It's like a dozen Luigi Mangiones, the Titanic.
The richest man in the world died on the Titanic.
Guggenheim.
These are all people that we'll bring up because they're part of the conspiracies.
You know, a lot of rich people died, and then a couple of rich people died on the Titan submarine.
It's just...
I don't know.
I don't know.
Yeah, and for similar reasons, too, because both the Titanic and the Titan were both designed to appeal to the rich.
Yes.
Yeah.
I... I was very much not in the Titanic fandom.
The movie really didn't do anything for me.
And I knew the historical tale of the Titanic.
And, oh no, it sunk.
Oh no, not enough life preservers and lifeboats.
Oh no!
And all that kind of stuff.
But then...
Once I got into this whole world of conspiracy theories and nonsense, it became part of their conspiracy worlds, their legends, their mythos, is that the Titanic didn't hit an iceberg and sink, that there was something more nefarious, that there was more evil.
Originally, when I was listening to people talking about the Titanic and its sinking, the original conspiracy theory that I heard was that it was just a scam.
That the Titanic was sunk for insurance fraud purposes.
And the general story was that the people who made the Titanic, they had another ship called the Olympic.
And that the Olympic was the ship that actually sunk, but the Illuminati said it was the Titanic so they could get more money off the insurance claim.
And this...
Go ahead, Eric.
Because I did a little looking into this story, too.
Also, the Olympic is saying some...
Heavy damage the year before when it collided with a, I believe it was a Royal Navy ship, and the insurance company decided that the crash was White Star Line, the guys who owned the ships.
It was their fault.
So they refused to pay any of the 20, I think it was $20 million that was needed to do the repairs.
So they were like deep in the hole at the time.
So they're thinking that the insurance thing was to help recoup the losses of a...
And then to get rid of the damaged Olympic, replace it with the brand spanking new Titanic.
Also, they went out the ass after the sinking.
A bunch of the rich families and families in general sued.
It's like, even outside it just being not financially feasible, like, there was...
It cost them a lot more money than even just the damage of the ship.
Yeah, and plus, the Titanic...
Excuse me, the Titanic...
It cost like $7.5 million to build, and the insurance policy was only for $5 million.
So it wouldn't have even recouped the losses of the ship, let alone all the money that they had to pay for the damages to the Olympic.
Don't ever let the facts get in the way of the narrative.
You don't ever want to actually tell people what really happened.
Because if you do that, you ruin the fun.
And this is, as Eric just stated, this is like a really obviously easy to debunk thing because it wasn't the Olympic that sunk.
And we have a lot of reasons for why we know that.
And even if this did happen, they didn't put enough insurance on the Titanic to make it worth their while.
But this is one of those things.
That people enjoy it.
It's like catnip for conspiracy theorists because it's an easy way to get mad at someone.
It's an easy way to get upset at the bad people.
And a bunch of evil, rich assholes sinking their boat, killing tons of people, and then doing it so they can make a quick buck off of a tragedy.
That's more appealing to people than just...
Oh, these idiots hit an iceberg and it was an accident and it sucked.
Because the official narrative is boring.
It's not catchy or engaging.
It doesn't involve any actual conspiracy or a plot.
It was just a mistake.
It was just an accident.
And that's...
Like, that's the thing about people, is that we hate the boring story that's accurate, because boo, boringness.
We want excitement.
That's why we can't stand the idea that Lee Harvey Oswald killed John F. Kennedy.
No, it was the Illuminati.
It was the Israelis.
It was the Federal Reserve who we will get into later on.
And later on in this pod and next week, the power of the Fed.
So there's no way people were just going to accept that it was an iceberg.
I mean, icebergs can't melt steel hulls.
I mean, this is really obvious.
Also, as far as the Olympic theory, This is also why the Titanic is stuck in memory.
There's actual photos of everything.
It's kind of like when movies started to talk.
So there was movies immediately of the Titanic.
But the Olympic and the Titanic have different structural designs.
So we know what they both look like.
And the Titanic was documented after it was built, like, when they brought it to the harbor, because there was almost a pretty major crash just when they did that.
They needed, like, a tugboat to basically bring it from crashing into another ship that was in the area.
So just doomed from the beginning, basically.
But what you were saying about the design differences was that was actually...
A little thing with that was what helped start the whole Olympic versus Titanic thing was that the, I don't remember the exact number, I think it was, I think it was the Titanic had 12 portholes on the side, and when people saw the wreckage of it, there was 14 portholes, and they were like, oh, that was obviously the Olympic, because the Olympic had that many, but the thing was, the blueprints for the Titanic had 12 portholes on it, but during construction, they added two more.
I believe so that there'd be more light in the galley or something like that.
So it was just a little basically a clerical error helps jumpstart that whole thing.
And basically every piece of the ship is stamped with a number that matches the ship that it's on.
So in the wreckage of the Titanic you can see The Titanic number on basically every piece, even in its decaying state.
And just in general, it's just the same number will be on it.
So it was not the number of the Olympic that appears at the bottom of the ocean.
So there's your nerd facts of that one.
Yeah.
And what was...
I just lost it.
Oh, I saw some people who were saying that...
To anyone who's experienced with being on ships, there was no way you could fool someone into confusing a brand new ship with a ship that had already been sailing for a year.
Because this one, I was reading the Titanic was so new, the paint was still drying on the walls when they set sail.
Like they actually brought in flowers to hide the smell of the paint.
Oh, that's awesome.
Okay, I think the movie is not good.
I'm just going to say it early.
I don't think the James Cameron movie is good in my rewatch, but it's ultimately a romance between two people that are not real.
They're fictional characters, Jack and Rose.
But the setting around them is like, James Cameron does do a good job of making the ship look like the ship in its historical accuracy.
The set is good.
The costumes are good.
The characters that were real, like Guggenheim and Astor and the Isadora Strauss and all these people exist, but they're in the background and they get like a couple lines that kind of give you like, hey, there's that guy in history.
But for the most part, it's just this fucking terrible romance with like, Caitlin's not a very good actress at this point.
And honestly, there is Leonardo DiCaprio.
To be honest.
And they're kind of annoying, in my opinion, and I don't really get why he even fell in love with her, because she's kind of insufferable.
But, so, there's not too much...
I'm gonna go with boobs.
Boobs.
Boobs, you're right.
Yep.
You're right.
You're right, Mike.
moving on and uh Leonardo DiCaprio in the 90s did have a history of taking on roles of young men who fell head over heels in love with women the moment they matter laughter Romeo and Juliet reference.
Oh, but yeah, as far as like historical stuff, there is like, you know, there's like photos that were taken on the Titanic that exist in Historical reference, like a kid playing with a top.
And you'll see like a scene of Jack and Rose walking by and it's like, oh, there's the kid in the background playing with the top.
I see what you did there, James Cameron.
But for the most part, it's kind of, I think, a shitty romance movie.
But that's just my opinion.
Yeah, well, obviously you...
You only came to that conclusion roughly, I don't know, $40 billion later after James Cameron conquered a generation with that goddamn movie.
I mean, there's a reason people like it, I'd imagine.
Boobs.
You said boobs, which is good.
James Cameron knows what people want to see in a movie.
Look at Avatar.
The plot for Avatar could be written on a cocktail napkin.
Because, I mean, really, you take away the awesome visuals and you got basically dances with wolves with aliens.
I think that's what Titanic is, is awesome fucking visuals.
Once it gets to the second half and everybody, the ship is sinking, chaos is happening, there's a good 20-minute scene where they basically cut from the Rose and Jack plotline and just kind of show the absolute fucking chaos happening.
And it's good.
It's action-packed.
You're like, damn, that looks rough.
That would be shitty to die that way.
And then it gets back to the Rose and Jack plot and he dies in the end.
It sucks.
In my opinion.
But it won a lot of Oscars.
It's technically a good movie, I think.
It's just I don't think the Jack and Rose plot is good.
It is total Oscar bait, too, that movie.
Yeah.
Because Cameron knew exactly what to put in there to please the Academy.
Mike, you weren't at all?
No.
The only thing I really know about Titanic is people having the arguments about...
If they both could have been on the piece of debris at the end and Rose just being a total jerk and hogging it and people saying, no, we don't understand.
It was about displacement.
If Jack gets on top of it, then it sinks and they both die.
So Jack's going to be a bro and just stay in the cold water and eventually hypothermia himself to oblivion.
And I've seen memes of people showing how Jack totally could have got on that piece of wreckage and it would have totally worked out and all this stuff.
I will debunk this, too, because there's actually a deleted scene in the Titanic James Cameron movie where another person tries to get on the debris and it starts to sink and, like, I think Jack beats the shit out of him or something.
Jack beats the shit out of people in the water, which is like, I don't think so.
I don't think that would happen.
Jack's skilled aquatic fighter, just like...
Most people train MMA in a gym.
He trained MMA in an aquarium.
He's like, come at me, bro.
In water that killed people within 15 minutes.
Yeah.
Well, now we know who Aquaman's grandfather was.
Yes.
Yeah.
But did you see any of the other Titanic movies?
Have you seen any of them?
Oh, no.
God, no.
I've heard there were some real, I heard there were ones that make James Cameron sound like a whirlwind of script writing, but no, I haven't seen any of them.
I think this is also kind of why it sticks in the culture, is because it's like part of Hollywood history.
Because there was like three Titanic movies made the year that it sank, including one that was made like a month.
After it sank, starring a survivor of the Titanic, who later went insane.
So we were always ghouls, like cultural ghouls.
Just like, put it on the screen, I want to see it.
But a lot of the movies kind of parrot one another, and James Cameron's movie references a lot of the old Hollywood movies.
There was a Titanic made in the 1980s before they actually found the wreckage called Raise the Titanic, where it's like a thriller where they're trying to find this rare mineral that'll help in the Cold War.
And they actually...
They're looking for unobtainium on the Titanic?
Why not?
They actually get...
They raise the Titanic in full.
Like, it's in one piece.
And there's a scene where they bring it to New York, and it passes by the World Trade Center.
So you see this scene towards the Titanic in the World Trade Center, and it's like...
Wow.
Wow.
I need a screenshot of that.
Oh my god.
I love how this was supposed to be a podcast about titanic conspiracy theories and we're just like weird titanic niche trivia.
We're just totally in the weeds here.
I'm sorry.
No, no, it's fine.
I mean, comedic informative podcast.
We're going to get to more conspiracies in a minute or two.
We promise.
But until then, enjoy the fun and frivolity.
Actually, there is a Like, a series that kind of falls into our realm.
There was, so, like, there was, like, an oil tycoon who had previously funded expeditions to try to find Bigfoot and Noah's Ark and, like, the Abdominal Snowman and shit.
And he funded an expedition to try to find the Titanic.
Like, not long before it was actually found.
And his radar actually did go over it.
It's just like he was a fucking dipshit and didn't know what the fuck he was doing.
And, uh, yeah, so, and they, like, live, they, like, made a movie about it, about how he ultimately didn't find it.
Um...
What I'm laughing about is that you said the abdominal snowman instead of abominable.
So I'm picturing a Yeti with a rippling six-pack.
Oh, Eric, come on.
This is hell world.
We've got to talk about the Chinese soldiers that are 10-pack abs.
That's our default setting for what we talk about when we talk about shredded human beings in our world.
And how so many right-wingers...
Just are obsessed with the idea that Chinese soldiers are so much stronger and buffer than our miserable woke military.
That's because it's all men.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
But another reason why the Titanic sunk was because there was a mummy on board and it cursed the Titanic.
And they should have never done that.
A mummy?
A mummy.
Not a mommy, a mummy.
Was it a cursed tomb?
I assume so.
I did smoke it into this.
It turns out it was actually what's called a mummy board, which was basically like a plank of wood with a likeness of the person while they were alive painted on it that goes over the mummy inside the sarcophagus.
But it is sexier to say there was a mummy on the Titanic.
You mean the internet lied to me?
That's terrible.
That was just terrible.
It's funny, I actually wasn't all that interested into the mummy thing until I started looking into it and then I started reading and there's all these really interesting details and I found myself really getting into the weeds with this one.
Yeah, I saw that there's a mummy at the British Museum that they like in its description says is confused with like a mummy that was on the Titanic but wasn't on the Titanic.
Yeah, that's the Yeah, that's the mummy.
It's called the Unlucky Mummy.
Because, and I mentioned this earlier, while we were setting up for this episode, it was actually the conspiracy theory favorite, Madame Blavatsky, who first said that the mummy board was cursed because several people had died after this guy had...
Basically, these two guys from England were down in Egypt, and they came upon these guys who were selling this mummy board.
Back then, thieves would just set up shop and be like, hey, I want to buy this stuff I just stole from somebody's grave.
And so they bought it, and then out of the four people who were first involved, two of them died.
So, of course...
People are like, wait, this has to be the mummy board.
Two people just don't die.
And then other people died along the way.
And then the funny thing is, as far as anyone can tell, the mummy board was never actually on the Titanic because it's only left the museum once, and that was like in the 90s.
But a reporter who had written about the mummy board...
Was on the Titanic, and he was telling everybody all about it, about the curse and all this stuff, so they think that he, by telling the tale, brought the curse to the Titanic.
Oh, of course.
Always.
You know, you gotta find a way to sell the story.
Again, if the facts get in the way of your narrative, start making shit up.
Start lying.
And I do love, I mean, I think that would actually make a pretty cool movie if there was like...
A literal mummy rampaging through the Titanic, killing everybody, and ripping a hole into the hall and stuff.
No, they should do that.
They should make a horror Titanic movie with the mummy.
I think that would be fun.
That'd be a fun interpretation.
Yeah, just give it a better name than The Unlucky Mummy.
That is such a funny name!
I know, that sounds like an episode of, like, Bluey or something.
I had a question about the mummy, but I... I forgot.
Oh, did the journalist survive?
No, he died.
Rip.
Yeah.
I just love Haley's incredibly respectful mournful rip.
Sorry, dead guy.
Hey, them's the breaks.
Nope, he's stiff.
Oh, well.
They're all dead now, technically, so...
Yeah.
Hey.
That's what I keep saying about all those anti-vaxxer people who are, you know, who keep saying that, you know, the COVID vaccine is going to kill us all in six months.
I mean, a year.
I mean, two years.
I'm like, you know, like, after a while, it's going to be like, okay, 250 years later, everybody who got their first round of COVID vaccinations is dead.
So they're right.
Yeah, it's what it's all about.
It's what it's all about.
It's how this works.
But when I was a kid and went to that exhibit, it was like a walkthrough because they did have artifacts and actual historical information.
At the beginning, they would give you this card with the person's name and information who was actually on the ship, and you wouldn't find out until the end of the exhibit if you lived or died.
I lived.
My mom died.
Hey kids, want to find out if you lived or died?
Keep on walking through this exhibit.
Keep on walking through this exhibit.
Keep on walking through this exhibit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what do you think, Mike?
Do you think a mummy did it?
I don't think a mummy did it.
Again, I'm the boring guy, so I think it's all about the iceberg.
I think I'm just going to go with the lone iceberg theory.
Well, the iceberg and the mummy were in cahoots.
They could have been.
I mean, the iceberg could have been like the second shooter here.
That's right.
The second shooter on the grassy wave front.
Yes, yes.
The waving oil.
The waving oil.
I really should think about sentences before I start saying them.
No, don't!
That's what our soon-to-be president does.
She just starts a sentence and wherever it ends, it ends.
I'll start calling it the weave when I ramble.
Yes, exactly!
Oh, man.
That's my favorite thing about this whole ordeal is that mental acuity was so important when Biden was in the race.
And then once he left...
We didn't care about mental acuity anymore.
I mean, literally, Joe Rogan, during his interview with Trump, was like, yo, bro, tighten this up.
And Trump was just like, I don't know what you're talking about, man.
I'm just weaving.
I wonder if he's going to have any press conferences at all the first year of his administration, or if it's only going to be tightly controlled, scripted speeches, you know, filmed on camera and then heavily edited before the press gets to see it.
Oh, we're going to get all of it.
I mean, I've very cynically said this many times, but, like, that's the dream of the Vance crew is to get him through two years of office so Vance can get the 10 ball because you are allowed to run for two terms if you served less than two years of the guy you succeeded in the office.
So, like, LBJ technically could have run again in 68. It was a possibility he was going to, but then Vietnam sunk him, so he called it a day.
But yeah, that all fun stuff is going on.
And that brings us to the more sinister conspiracy theories, because insurance fraud is great and all, but why just settle for insurance fraud when you can have outright murder?
We had previously mentioned some rich people that were on the Titanic, and that brings us to a rich guy not on the Titanic, J.P. Morgan, who apparently decided to kill his enemies by paying off the captain of the Titanic to kill himself, which makes a lot of sense.
For those who don't really know J.P. Morgan, I just want to point out, this man was so rich that he bailed out the U.S. government at one point.
Just a little fun fact for you.
The era of the Titanic is interesting because it kind of feels like the current era where there's just these hyper-rich capitalists that are richer than God who kind of have their arms and everything, their hand in the pie.
And it was why it was a big deal that some of them died.
It significantly altered.
History by losing some of these guys.
Which I'll get into later, because it honestly, some of it kind of funded some anti-fascist history, which I was like, radical.
But, yeah, like, John Jacob Astor was like, basically, he was the richest guy on the ship.
He was considered the richest guy in the world.
He was the first, like...
Multi-millionaire in the United States.
Astor, as in, like, Waldorf Astoria.
He's the Astoria.
They don't really show much of him in the movie.
He's a very background character.
But they do make sure to point out that he has a teenager wife who's pregnant, even though he's, like, in his 40s.
Didn't he, like, just get married, too, or something like that?
Yeah, yeah.
I think it was, like, some scandalous affair with his first wife.
Divorce.
Knocked up this 18-year-old.
They're married.
She's pregnant on the ship.
His smug ass is like, oh, I'm probably going to be safer on the ship, even though they were saying he could get on a lifeboat.
And his rich ass died.
I mean, it was obviously a more urgent time crisis, but...
This was like Steve Jobs being like, yeah, I can cure my cancer with an acidic diet or whatever I'm going to do instead of, you know, like actually trying to treat this.
I think I remember hearing that Aster, like the reason he got on the Titanic was he wanted to run back to New York so that he could get his unborn son in his will.
Yeah, it was like, it was to have him born in the U.S. Yeah.
And then he became like a freak figure in the media himself because he was the kid who survived the Titanic technically like the baby even though he wasn't born yet.
But other millionaire on the multi-millionaire on the ship was Benjamin Guggenheim as in like the Guggenheim art.
You know, museum in New York that would come later.
But, like, his death basically helped fund that.
And, fun fact, because his daughters became big in, like, the art world after and, like, used a lot of the money they got from his death to fund, like, Jackson Pollock and, like, you know, they were...
One of the daughters' exhibit is, like, a pretty prestigious museum in itself.
And one of the Guggenheim daughters funded Emma Goldman as she lived in France and wrote her autobiography as an anarchist Emma Goldman, like the godmother of anarchism.
So I thought that was an interesting little spiral of, you know, boom, Titanic took out some rich people and then later helped fund the autobiography of Emma Goldman.
So fun fact there.
I heard you fun fact.
I just love the defensive finish and all these.
There's a fun fact.
Just a little fun fact.
I'm just putting it in there.
Antifa Titanic.
That's my conspiracy theory.
Yeah.
One of the most important things about all of this is that J.P. Morgan and these other rich people were not...
They weren't competing with each other.
These were not businessmen who were battling each other for market share.
Nobody was taking a shot at J.P. Morgan trying to get his money and run him out of business.
So the idea that Morgan would have been of a mind to say, you know what I need to do?
I need to kill some other rich assholes who happen to be on the Titanic.
It's really weird.
It's a really weird thing to accuse him of because these weren't people who were horning in on his market.
These weren't people who were like, hey, that JP Morgan's running a sloppy shop and I'm going to come in there and take his market share.
I'm coming for you, Morgan.
And as soon as I get off this Titanic, you're done for!
And then he's like, oh no!
Curse you, Morgan!
I knew you were behind this!
As he slowly sinks into his watery grave.
I think what started all this stuff was, besides the fact that J.P. Morgan owned the company that created the Titanic, was he was supposed to be on the maiden voyage, but backed out because he was sick.
And people were like, how convenient!
But it's...
Morgan was 75 years old at the time.
Which is 200 for modern era.
I think he had romantic fever years before, so he wasn't exactly a spry young man who was ready to go take a jaunt across the pond.
He was an old man who was like, you know what, maybe I shouldn't go right now.
Exactly.
I saw some deeper lore conspiracies that J.P. Morgan was working on behalf of the Jesuits or the Rothschilds.
The Jews and the Catholics in one package.
How wonderful.
If there was ever two groups that would work hand-in-hand to defeat a common enemy, it's the Jews and the Catholics.
Did we get some Muslims in on this also to join both sides?
Yeah.
And then the next level of it is that the Captain Smith, the main captain of the ship, was himself a Jesuit who was hired and did it on purpose for J.P. Morgan.
But then it's like, how do you guarantee that Astor Strauss, Isidore Strauss, Who's the guy that co-owned Macy's.
He co-founded Macy's.
Who died.
He died on the ship.
They gave the iceberg pictures of the three men and said, make sure they go down.
Yeah.
They, uh, you, you, you get there.
It's the, it's like one of the scenes in like breaking bad or whatever.
There's a multi-level parking lot.
Somewhere.
And this guy in, like, a fedora and a suit jacket, like, walks over to an iceberg and then, like, slides the evidence over and the iceberg nods.
And then the guy hands him the manila envelope that's just, like, swollen with money.
And then the iceberg, like, puts it in its pocket and, like, slides off screen because that's how icebergs, that's their mobility.
They just, like, sort of, like, float on their own meltage.
So, yeah.
That's exactly how this works.
And what Eric's saying here is lots of rich people got on lifeboats.
Lots of people survived the Titanic.
This wasn't an event where, oh, the Titanic went down and everybody aboard perished.
This wasn't like a plane.
This was, yeah, a lot of people died.
A lot of people didn't.
Go ahead, Haley.
Oh, I was just going to...
Some of the survival stuff is also, I think, people falsely think that basically everybody from third class died and everybody from first class lived, which is a historical inaccuracy.
The survival rate, there's a scene in Titanic 2 where it kind of shows that they purposefully locked third class people underneath to perish.
Which, like, that's one of the few things in the movie that, like, as far as set is inaccurate.
Like, there was no full, like, cage gate locking third class behind a certain section.
The, like, dividers that kept first class from second and first class was, like, just at waist height.
It was just like a little divider between the sections.
But, like, you could, like, freely move through the ship.
So, like, people think, because of, like, some memory of the movie, I think, that, like, third class was, like, sinisterly locked and low.
But...
And this was the Gilded Age when, you know, this would have been perfectly in character for a millionaire to step on a poor man's face in order to climb onto a lifeboat.
Yeah, that's what kind of one of the designers of the ships did.
Because the order that people exit the ships on the lifeboats and the numbers is all well documented because it was all recorded.
So you can find websites that show you how many people were on each lifeboat, who was on it, who from what class was on it, statistics of everything.
There's crazy...
People have been obsessed with the Titanic forever.
So there's websites showing you all these interesting breakdowns of who survived and who didn't.
Survive.
And one of the guys that, like, helped design the ship, like, Ismay is his name.
Like, last name.
He's portrayed in the movie.
He's one of the few people that's in, like, first class that's on one of the last lifeboats that goes.
You can see it's mainly, like, third class.
Because towards the end, like, everybody's just kind of, like, chaotically going on.
The lifeboats.
It's all hands on deck.
If you can get on a lifeboat, you fucking get on a lifeboat.
Yeah, there's no more like women and children first kind of shit.
There's no more anything.
It's just like everybody who's near the lifeboat, get on now.
He's one of the few people that is in a boat of almost all third class people because he was kind of supposed to go down with the ship because he designed the ship and he was kind of smeared as a coward for surviving and yeah, basically going On a third-class boat when children died.
Almost all the children in first class lived.
Second class, all of them lived.
Almost all first-class women lived.
Almost all second-class women lived.
But a lot of third-class children died, and it was just kind of like, because there was a lot more of them.
But there was technically...
Enough room on the lifeboats for all women and children to survive if they had more time to orderly get people off.
I think I heard the first lifeboat left with only half filled.
Oh, it had like 16 people in it when it could have had like 70. Yeah.
Get away, peasants!
I need some legroom!
So yeah, the...
The breakdown of survivors is very interesting.
More men technically survived than women, despite the women and children first thing, and it was because there was just way more men aboard.
Survival rate was dependent on where you were on the ship, what your decisions were.
A lot of people thought they would be safe remaining on the ship.
A lot of the immigrants just didn't get orders in their language.
There was like 33 nationalities aboard the Titanic.
I also heard that they forgot to post directions on where to find the life preservers.
Yeah, and it was only in English.
What?
And it was only in English.
Like, a little bit directions that people got was like only in English.
So, there was like...
Almost a hundred people from Syria on the ship, which never gets depicted in the movies.
You never see all the...
Wait, wait.
Non-whites on my romantic comedy drama movie?
How dare you?
How dare you?
Oh, my lord.
I think I'm going to have to leave in a little bit, so I just wanted to go over one thing that I had come upon that I thought was real interesting.
It's not quite a conspiracy theory, although some people did try to make something of it.
There was a book that was published in 1898, 14 years before the Wreck of the Titanic, and it was originally titled Futility.
It was written by a man named Morgan Robertson, and it had a lot of really weird similarities to the Titanic.
For instance, the name of the ship in the story was the SS Titan.
In fact, when they reissued the book after the Wreck of the Titanic, they renamed it the Wreck of the Titan.
Or futility.
So SS Titan versus HMS Titanic.
The ship was described as being the largest ship in the world at the time.
It was 800 feet in length versus the Titanic, which was 883 feet in length.
They declared that the ship was unsinkable, just like the Titanic.
It set sail in April.
It hit an iceberg with a glancing blow, I believe, even on the same side.
And there was a problem where the ship did not have enough lifeboats on it, just like the Titanic didn't have enough lifeboats for all the passengers on board.
And so, of course, with all these coincidences, all these people were like, well, this man is clairvoyant and he predicted it was going to happen.
Or I even saw some people say, J.P. Morgan read this book and said, aha, this is how I will murder all my enemies.
Oh, God.
Got to throw the mustache.
Got to let them all know.
Got to let them all know.
But Morgan Robertson denied all of that.
He said that he wrote the book based on his experiences.
He worked for over a decade working on ships, and he knew a lot about shipbuilding.
He knew a lot about conditions in the North Atlantic and all that.
All right, sorry.
No problem.
So he said he used all of his experience to say, I know there's icebergs in the Northern Atlantic in April.
I know what kind of conditions would cause a ship like this to sink.
I know how you would make a ship like this.
So he said it's, I mean, really, and even really naming the ship Titan versus Titanic isn't even that big of a shock because, I mean, the word Titanic means gigantic, and it was the biggest ship ever built at the time.
Right.
It's kind of an obvious name to give it.
Yes.
It wasn't a tricky thing where it's like, oh my god, that's so creative to call it that.
Yeah.
No one would have thought of that on their own.
Right.
It's also kind of a reference to Greek mythology.
Yeah, the Greek Titans.
Yeah.
And then, you know, its sistership was the Olympic, which obviously also is a reference to Greek mythology.
Well, I mean, by that logic, the Olympics should have been the ship to sink the Titanic.
It should have destroyed it, because the Olympians destroyed the Titans.
I, too, have played Hades in Hades 2. I know my mythology!
That's funny.
I had a feeling that's where you were going with that, but I've actually been into Greek myths since I was a kid, so I was kind of coming the other way, looking at all the little subtle nods to Greek mythology in Hades and being like, oh, that's clever.
If you're someone like me who knows the myths...
Did you ever play the Monopoly board game by Jove that was the Greek mythology board game?
No.
It's not a very good game.
The name would tell me it's more based on Roman mythology because...
Because a Jupiter or Jove was the name in Roman mythology.
But it's basically like a board game where you run around and Achilles...
I know Achilles and Hector are in the game and all that kind of stuff.
And yeah, it's...
Yeah, that game, I remember it well.
And I don't know if I ever finished a game of it, but I did play it a lot.
But...
Our final conspiracy theory...
Wait, wait, wait.
Speaking of games, did either of you guys ever play any of the Titanic video games?
Nope.
I didn't even know there were any.
Oh, never mind.
Actually, I take that back.
There was one I know of.
It was a video game written by Douglas Adams called Starship Titanic.
But, I mean, obviously it's not actually based on the Titanic, but he did pick the name on purpose.
Yeah.
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Our final conspiracy theory, and the juiciest one for our lunatic conspiracy theory-believing people out there, is that the Titanic was sunk and the rich famous people were killed because they were going to fight tooth and nail to block the creation of the Federal Reserve.
That's right.
The Illuminati wanted the Fed, and John Jacob Astor and his buddies were going to stop them, so they killed them.
The Illuminati killed them in order to make sure the Federal Reserve would actually happen.
Why would people be opposed to the Federal Reserve who are hyper-rich?
Explain.
There's no reason to believe that they were.
And the thing that's always very funny about this is that...
When they bring up Guggenheim and Strauss, those guys, they couldn't rub two nickels together compared to Astor.
Astor was so much richer than the other two guys, it's ridiculous.
It would be like saying that...
Like, Bill Gates was on a plane that crashed, and it was Bill Gates, a hundred, somehow Bill Gates was flying commercial, the plane crashed, and it was Bill Gates, two mid-level players in the NBA, and then a bunch of regular people.
And then people being like, three rich guys died on that plane crash.
And it's like, no.
Bill Gates is an order of magnitude richer than millionaires.
It's not even close.
Whereas, like, Aster was so much richer than the other two guys, they couldn't hold a candle to him.
But people know that if you say that the Fed sunk the Titanic just to kill John Jacob Aster...
You might dig into him and you might start looking into it and then you'd probably figure out, oh wait, this guy didn't care about the Federal Reserve.
What the hell are you talking about?
When you make it vaguer and you don't give names and you just say like three of the world's richest men who were opposed to the Federal Reserve mysteriously died on the Titanic, then...
Now, in order to research it, you have to look up who were those three rich guys?
What were their names?
What were their opinions on the Fed?
I even saw one thing.
One of the guys, Strauss, there was an article in the New York Times in October of 1911 where he said he supported the Fed.
So, I mean, it's possible he changed his mind in between October of 1911 and April of 1912, but it's not exactly helping out the conspiracy theory at all.
He actually wrote two pieces for the New York Times supporting the creation of the Federal Reserve.
I think he was pretty unknown.
I think he was fine.
So he was the Thomas Paine of the Fed.
Also, Isidore Strauss had the option to leave.
There's a scene in the movie, the James Cameron movie, that shows the couple in their bed dying together, and that's technically a reference to Isidore Strauss and his wife, who she had the option to go in a boat, and he didn't want to go because there was still women and children on board, so she stayed behind and they died together.
And there's reports, there's testimonials.
There was literally a Senate hearing.
Within, like, days of this happening.
It's so funny how quickly people were like, we gotta change some shit.
A bunch of rich people died.
But, yeah, so he had the option, technically, to get on a boat at one point.
So there wasn't even a guarantee that, like, all these people were gonna die.
That's why the iceberg had the photos and was keeping the light out.
Yeah.
And the iceberg actually also was like a hive mind.
Various people getting on the escape boats, the iceberg was looking through their eyes and we could see...
It's targets.
And when they would try to get onto the boats, the iceberg would take control of the regular citizens.
They were in the Matrix, and they would shove those people.
Target acquired.
It's Aster.
Just raining down blows on him.
He's like, what the hell's going on?
You served me brunch this afternoon.
Why are you turning feral on me, good sir?
Aster is the enemy.
The iceberg has decreed it.
And hauling off and blasting them.
On top of the lifeboats and the life preservers problem, there was also other issues.
For instance, the compartments that were underneath the water were supposed to have watertight seals on them in case of a breach.
As it turned out, those seals were not watertight.
So we put all that together.
People were saying, well, maybe J.P. Morgan purposely sabotaged the ship.
And I'm like, yeah, because, you know, when you're building a ship, you always got to expect your multimillionaire financier to come walking in and say, excuse me, sir, I have some suggestions.
Yeah.
All these, quote-unquote, honest, sincere, regular engineers and technicians are working on various parts of the Titanic.
And then Rocco and Guido just show up.
And they're just like, Mr. Morgan has some suggestions for the seals in the underground area.
And they're like, right this way, Mr. Thug.
It's like, oh my god.
I like the idea of J.P. Morgan walking in with a literal briefcase full of money and saying, look, I need you to do this to the ship and nobody saw me here.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, that is a lot of the 9-11 theories where people talk about bomb-sniffing dogs being pulled away from the building.
And it's just, it's so silly.
It's just, yeah, like, all of the stuff, like, all of the stuff that would be incredibly incriminating and really obviously bad, yeah, people just did it and got away with it.
No one brought up the fact that, like...
Some random member of the NYPD is heading towards the World Trade Center with a bomb-sniffing dog a day before.
He's walking in on 910 and suddenly some Illuminati dupe who's a secretary at one of the offices.
It's like, oh, shit!
Oh, shit!
We gotta get that dog out of here!
Like, just, like, running up to the office.
Excuse me, Mr. Police Officer, what are you doing here today?
Oh, everything's great!
Please don't have your bomb-stiffing dog getting any closer to the building!
You'll notice all the bombs.
And, you know, and nobody questioned J.P. Morgan asking for a withdrawal of $100,000 in small unmarked bills.
Right, exactly!
I also just want to mention that the Titanic sinking and everybody who did die, all the people who did die, more being just by chance, is that it would have crashed sooner if they hit the iceberg a certain way.
It would have crashed slower if they hit the iceberg a different way.
And a lot more people would have been saved if a nearby boat, the SS Californian, I saw a conspiracy theory about that, too, because they said that J.P. Morgan only supplied white flares for emergencies and not red flares.
But that falls apart when you realize that the law requiring red flares for emergencies was passed after the sinking of the Titanic, and I believe was actually in part because of the sinking of the Titanic.
You are exactly correct.
So the SS Californian was within distance to literally see the rockets, which are in the movie, the James Cameron movie.
You keep seeing them lighting off rockets like fireworks.
The reason that they're doing this is because they're trying to signal the ships in the area that they're in distress.
And the SS Californian can see the rockets going off.
The captain of the SS Californian would later be brought before the U.S. Senate and chided and kind of smeared also in the media because he just didn't fucking act.
There was no code at the time for what the flares meant.
And then after the passing, you know, after the Titanic and the passing of, like, the Siemens Act, hello, and a bunch of other different provisions, and they changed a bunch of different maritime law shit.
Is that when they put the gold fringes on the flags?
That is exactly, and that's when the United States of America became a corporation.
Oh, good, good, good.
That's what I was hoping for.
So if the SS Californian had just been like, hey, let's go check out what the flares are, then a ton of these people wouldn't have died.
And the Federal Reserve would have been stopped.
America would have been saved from its terrible banking situation.
I do think it's funny.
Well, not funny, but just kind of ironic.
It's just like the curse of the Titanic.
So all these changes happen after the sinking of the Titanic.
There wasn't 24-hour radio shifts.
The ship that did hear the distress signal, that was actually like, the guys stayed past their shift, so it was totally by happenstance that they even got saved in the manner that they did.
Obviously, lifeboats became a big deal, because even if the Titanic had enough time to get everybody into lifeboats, there wasn't enough for everybody.
So, laws pass, and ships have to be refitted to have enough lifeboats to basically carry everybody that's on the ship.
And it causes another disaster, like, the next fucking year.
The SS Eastland.
It capsized because it was too heavy from all the lifeboat refitting.
So just like curse of the Titanic hits once again.
Goddamn Titanic, you're so cursed.
You're so malevolent.
So yeah, that about covers all our conspiracies about the Titanic.
Do you have any further fun facts, tidbits, little information nuggets for our audience?
Well, there was the conspiracy that there was no iceberg, which I kind of mentioned earlier in our group chat.
It's just basically people think that the iceberg, they didn't hit an iceberg.
Instead, there was a fire on the ship because there was a lot of coal needed to be used.
That was common, I guess, on ships back then.
And the place of the fire was nowhere near where the damage of the ship was.
And interestingly enough, there was reports of...
It's called Iceberg Fucking Alley, where they were passing through.
I hope it was actually Iceberg Fucking Alley.
There was warnings of heavy iceberg activity from other ships, both before and after the Titanic.
And people took photos on the boats as they passed of some of these icebergs.
And one photo even has what was documented as a red paint smear on it and is largely considered to be the iceberg that the Titanic hit.
Which I think is pretty fucking interesting.
Is that there's actually like...
Seemingly documentation of the incident in such an...
I think that's another reason why it's stuck in memory is because there's just so much stuff that kind of testimony, survivor testimony, the immediate movie factor.
I don't know.
It just kind of sticks in our history.
Right.
The no iceberg theory is...
One of those theories that can only come around like many, many years after the fact where you can ignore actual witness testimony, actual survivor testimony.
It's like the idiots who...
We'll constantly post on social media about, I think the limo driver or the guys in the backup car accidentally shot JFK. That seems most reasonable to me.
And I just reply to those people, I'm like, you do realize no witnesses saw that happen.
So it literally could.
They're like, oh, no, it makes sense.
And I'm like, yeah, you just have to take out all the evidence and then it works.
Oh, there was no iceberg!
You're ignoring all the people who said there was one?
Yeah, fuck them.
I like the no iceberg theory better.
It's funnier.
There's a scene in the James Cameron movie where there's people randomly playing soccer with ice debris that hit part of the deck.
And according to some people's...
Testimony, that's what people were doing with some of the ice that was on the deck.
So, like, there was ice on the deck.
I don't know what you...
That didn't just get there.
Yeah, JP Morgan had a helicopter throw some ice onto the deck in order to fucking trick people into thinking that actually was a thing that happened.
Oh, man.
So, that is going to wrap up this week.
Wait, wait, wait.
No, it's not going to wrap it up.
Haley's got more to say.
Fuck me!
I need to tell people this.
I need people to know what I saw.
Because in my Titanic researching, obviously it's a lot of movies.
Did you know that the Nazis made a Titanic?
I'm sure they did.
Goebbels personally requested...
This is Antifa Titanic.
This is more Antifa Titanic, folks.
Goebbels personally ordered for a...
Titanic propaganda film to be made in 1943. That's when it was officially released.
But it took forever to make and cost the Nazis a ton of fucking money because the director wanted the movie to be hyper-realistic so they took a warship out of commission and they took it out of the war and used it for the set.
They took a bunch of Nazi soldiers out of the war and used them as extras.
And it took forever to make the movie because there was all these issues with the movie.
And then the director and the screenwriter started bickering.
And the screenwriter basically sold out the...
The director for smearing some of the Nazi soldiers to Goebbels, and he was executed.
And then after the war, the screenwriter, the Nazi screenwriter, was put in jail for having the Nazi director executed.
So it helped kind of put a little halt in the war, kind of fucked with the Nazis a little bit, definitely hurt them financially, and a couple Nazis died as a result.
So that's your fun.
Antifa, Titanic fact that we will end it on.
Wonderful.
Absolutely wonderful.
Anyhow, the final bit there that we had about the Federal Reserve being behind the murder of all those Fridge guys on the Titanic and why they sunk them, the Federal Reserve is one of conspiracy theorists' favorite boogeymen.
It's one of the great big bads of their movement.
So next week, we're going to talk about the Fed and why these people hate it.
It's evil powers.
And, of course, How the Fed Murdered John F. Kennedy, because that's a real thing that people actually say.
Richard Belzer, a famous actor from Law and Order and all that good stuff, wrote a book.
Wrote a book about the Fed murdering JFK. Because that's what you do when your brain isn't made out of brain worms.
So get ready for all that fun and frivolity next week.
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Is he doing the BTK? I assume he is.
I haven't listened to that yet.
The Who Killed JFK podcast did a trailer for BTK. It's called Monster BTK or something, and I'm assuming the shocking twist is that checking the typewriter was also BTK. So, I'm very hopeful.
That is the deepest of deep cuts for those of you who are listening this long to the pod, and I apologize for that.
We may have to listen and see how accurate versus inaccurate it possibly is.
Yeah.
I am more than happy to mine Rob Reiner content for content.
That is totally okay with me.
But I don't know if Rob's going to actually do this or not.
It's why you just be like them doing a little heads up, and they got, like, Probably a guy and a gal for the mixed vocal pattern setup.
Like two different people doing the BTK thing.
And BTK ain't Kennedy.
It's not something that's pilled Rob Reiner for 50 years.
So he's probably not in Crank Alley talking about checking the typewriter, shooting from the sniper's nest and all that stuff.
True.
And honestly, if it goes off the deep rails, the true crime community will be all over it because those people are wild.
I'm here to join them, so that'd be fun.
So yeah, maybe we'll dip a toe into the Reiner cast of BTK. But until then, yes, thanks all for listening.
Thanks to Chaley.
Thanks for Eric, who dipped out on us.
Thanks to Steph.
She'll be back next week, probably.
And thanks to all of you for listening.
Good speed, patriots!
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