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| Thanks for watching. | |
| Hello everybody, I am MyGreens, aka Pell. | |
| PokerinPolitics, and today I'm going to be talking to Karma! | |
| Karma is here! | |
| Hello, Karma! | |
| Hi! | |
| How are we? | |
| Yes, so Karma is not an expert on Jewish base lasers, and I'm not influential enough to get Mike Rothschild. | |
| So instead, we're going to be talking about the negative 48 cult in Dallas and all the madness that's been going on with air. | |
| So Karma, give us what's going on right now. | |
| How did we and how did we get to where we are right now? | |
| So obviously, just over a month ago, negative 48 died in a car accident. | |
| Motorbike accident. | |
| And now we have obviously different factions of the cult. | |
| Everything's changing obviously. | |
| So it's been something to watch. | |
| And recently we've had a young girl re-emerge back into the cult. | |
| So she was around when Michael was there. | |
| He had her a few times on his chats and then she kind of disappeared for a while after a article came out Um, about her. | |
| And, um, so she was invited to come down to a Trump rally a couple of weeks back and she met all the negative 48 crew down there. | |
| And a day or two later, she opened her own channel on Telegram. | |
| And this child is how old? | |
| 13. | |
| 13. | |
| So, and. | |
| What was the article that kind of pushed her away? | |
| What was the reason for why this article made her no longer a feature in the Negative 48 community? | |
| Well, they had kept, you know, and they have still even now, they've kept a tight lid on who she was. | |
| No one knew who she was. | |
| No one knew who her parents were back when she was doing chats with Michael. | |
| Um, and that article came out when she was doing those chats on my call. | |
| Um, because he had her on twice and then he also had another young child on who was about 10, I think. | |
| Um, not long after. | |
| And so the article came out about, you know, how they're kind of indoctrinating the kids. | |
| Um, and that made her just kind of disappear for a while. | |
| And then all of a sudden she's back. | |
| Yeah. | |
| So how did, so did she start, I mean, Telegram has to be age sensitive on some level. | |
| So how did she start a Telegram channel and is that even legal? | |
| Well, it's not. | |
| And, um, cause Negative had made her admin of his channel as well. | |
| So she is adminning his channel as well. | |
| Um, but her mother has put on her channel, this channel is moderated by an adult. | |
| I see. | |
| So that's the excuse, is that mom's running the channel for the daughter. | |
| Yep. | |
| Yep. | |
| So, um, but yeah, she recently had a chat. | |
| Well, she went to the rally and, you know, for the first time we got to see, obviously, images of her. | |
| So who she, what she looks like and stuff. | |
| As I said, she had been kept very hush-hush before that. | |
| Yep. | |
| And yeah, so now she's got her own channel. | |
| She's, you know, doing decodes, Gemmasher decodes and posting them on the channel. | |
| And then all of a sudden she posted she was going to have a chat And her channel hasn't grown that much I think at the moment we're looking. | |
| It has since the article came out though. | |
| She had about 700 now she's got I think close to 850 I think on there. | |
| But it's kind of disturbing watching the adults like really encourage her. | |
| Yeah that's I think that's in like I kind of just look at it and just go what? | |
| Like They're all encouraging her, you know, and propping her up. | |
| Now, who is propping her? | |
| Is it the inner circle of negative 48, or is it more like the rank and file, like the lower level members? | |
| It's all. | |
| It's everyone? | |
| Everyone's promoting her. | |
| And this is Tiny Teflon is the name? | |
| Yes. | |
| Go ahead. | |
| So yeah, Tiny Teflon is her name and her mum goes by Teflon Don. | |
| Teflon Don? | |
| Yep. | |
| Oh, that's a reference to both John Gotti and Donald Trump. | |
| Gotti was an American mob boss who the government took. | |
| It was very hard for them to convict him of a crime, so that was why he was the Teflon Don, because the charges would never stick. | |
| And Trump's name is Donald, which is Don, and same thing for him. | |
| We can never get him on the stuff. | |
| So that's very funny that the mother's name is literally Mob Boss, which I would, I would try to avoid if I was like running something like this, but hey, you do you, mother of person that is being exploited. | |
| Yes. | |
| Well, she's, I mean, she ran the chat, the chat, um, went for, I think it went just over an hour and a half, her first chat. | |
| Um, She mainly, like, she screen-shared and mainly showed people how to actually do gematria. | |
| She talked about med beds. | |
| Oh, of course! | |
| So, how Q-peeled is Tiny Teflon? | |
| Oh, she's very Q-peeled. | |
| Very Q-peeled. | |
| She once, so she was home schooled. | |
| She even She did go to summer school at one point, because she came onto one of his chats and talked about her red-pilling her teacher. | |
| Oh, good. | |
| Oh my god. | |
| I really hope the teacher didn't actually get pilled, but that would be... Well, according to her, he seemed to get it and understand and agree. | |
| Oh yeah, of course, of course. | |
| Jesus, Jesus. | |
| So, um, but she was, uh, the gematria that she was doing in her first chat was all about the rally. | |
| Um, and she was talking about that at the rally, Trump played a clip that was kind of showed what, you know, Antifa like could do and stuff. | |
| And she says, you know, I, if I don't stand up and do something now, that's the world I'll be living in. | |
| Oh God. | |
| So she's trying to save the world by exposing what's happened in this rally. | |
| So they're still staying on the same, like Trump is the hero. | |
| Trump's going to save us all. | |
| Trump's the ultimate good guy. | |
| That's still definitely like the big focus of the movement. | |
| That's still the line of argument they're pushing with this stuff. | |
| Well it's kind of hard because theirs is slightly different because obviously yes Trump is there and they go to all their rallies but at the same time they don't actually believe it's Trump. | |
| They actually believe it's JFK in a fat suit so therefore it's hard to sort of say are they putting Trump on a pedestal or are they putting JFK who they believe is in a fat suit as it's Trump on a pedestal. | |
| I love that all of the rest of QAnon is like, Donald Trump, the Adonis! | |
| They've got the Photoshop of him as Rocky or the Punisher, and he's got his swollen pecs and his 24-inch python arms. | |
| Yet the negative 48 cult is just like, oh, look at Trump, he's a giant fat man because Kennedy has to wear a fat suit in order to trick people. | |
| It's so funny. | |
| Well, I'm kind of, because I, like, you know, a negative always had this thing about Trump's height, you know, he was like, I can't remember now whether he'd say 6'2", or not 6'2", 5'2", or I can't even remember now, but I've got it recorded. | |
| Like he would have a thing about the height and say that he was the same height as JFK. | |
| And so, you know, I'm sort of waiting now when Trump, when all this goes down with Trump, because aren't they meant to be going to do his mugshot and everything this time? | |
| Yes. | |
| In Georgia, he will be fingerprinted and mugshotted. | |
| And so that will be quite the moment for everybody. | |
| I actually saw somebody on Somebody posted on social media that anyone that like | |
| The Trump mugshot won't be posted to the website of the Georgia police, because that's not how they do it. | |
| But if you fill out a form, you can request any person's mugshot be sent to you. | |
| So basically this guy already had the form for that to be taken care of. | |
| So Trump can be, you can get the Trump mugshot as soon as possible from the Georgia police. | |
| And JFK, JFK was six foot or six foot one, according to the various things that I've read about him. | |
| So. | |
| Yeah. | |
| So he, I'm sure negative used to say like either six, two or six, three. | |
| And you know, and he'd say, that's why, you know, he's JFK and, and, and stuff like that. | |
| I mean, I've got the recordings anyway, but yeah, it is one thing that I'm kind of looking forward to when that all comes out. | |
| Cause you know, it's something you can go, well, hang on a second. | |
| That's not right. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Oh, I mean, it's going to be so funny, because what's really funny is that QAnon is already getting ahead of this thing and making fake mugshots where Trump is 6'4". | |
| That's the tallest presidents we've ever had. | |
| Lincoln was 6'4", LBJ was 6'4". | |
| 6'4 is kind of the tall president standard for America. | |
| So they want to make sure that Trump hits that mark on the chart for them. | |
| Even though I think Obama is like six foot, around there. | |
| There've been all kinds of photos of Obama and Trump together. | |
| Cause it's like when the transition was happening, Obama wasn't a piece of shit to him. | |
| Obama was like, fuck, this guy's going to be president. | |
| I better like hold his hand and help a little. | |
| So there's plenty of photos where Trump and Obama are roughly the same height. | |
| So the idea that Trump's got four inches on Obama is like ridiculous. | |
| Yeah. | |
| I always found that really ridiculous when. | |
| Um, Michael would talk about his height and you just go, there's no way. | |
| There's no way. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Oh, I, I, this is so funny. | |
| I love the internet cause it's like so full of shit. | |
| Um, but I, I'm seeing on somewhere on the, I just like did Google searches and they think they claimed that Obama was 6'2 and they're claiming, Oh, Trump is 6'3", which I don't believe any of that is true from what I've seen. | |
| Yeah, just hilarious. | |
| And I'm actually reading something where Trump said that he was 6'2 when he was talking to the police during one of his previous arrests. | |
| So we'll see. | |
| The mugshot will tell the truth. | |
| We're going to find out. | |
| I pray they make him take off his shoes before the mugshot. | |
| Yeah, let's, well, I'm not, I don't know, after I just saw Shelly's mugshot, I noticed on hers they got her age wrong. | |
| Oh, so tell us who Shelly is and what happened with her arrest. | |
| Um, so Shelly is, used to be like negatives number one, basically, um, back in the early days. | |
| Um, and then she was kicked out. | |
| Um, and created her own splinter group that then also got broken up along the way. | |
| Um, I would still class her group as a cult. | |
| That's for sure. | |
| Like I call it the mini cult. | |
| Um, but she has a tendency to harass people. | |
| Um and she goes and when I say harass I mean she'll text them, she'll dox them, she'll you know like it's non-stop and she picked the wrong person to do it to this time and she was charged and arrested. | |
| She was put in jail for three days. So she's currently out and waiting for a new court case. | |
| So what was the actual charge? | |
| Like stalking or criminal trespass? | |
| Do you know what the actual charge against Shelley was? | |
| Oh, Jesus, that's not great. | |
| That sounds like she's committing big boy crimes. | |
| Yeah, look, I mean, I've seen the text messages because she posted them. | |
| She posted them on all her social media sites that she was sending. | |
| And, you know, she was really, like, non-stop. | |
| And that's only what she's posted, like, God knows what else. | |
| She did that we don't know about. | |
| But there's four charges. | |
| Four charges. | |
| Literally just posting her crimes on the internet. | |
| That's a great tactic. | |
| I can't imagine how that could possibly backfire. | |
| You know what? | |
| Then she came back though. | |
| Once she got out of jail, she then told the stories of like, it was pretty hilarious. | |
| I'm not going to lie. | |
| Like the stories of her bunkies in jail. | |
| Oh, god. | |
| Oh, oh. | |
| Shelley's now a hardened ex-con. | |
| Oh, man. | |
| Like, she even set up a thing to talk to them, you know, now that she's out. | |
| And, like, she was trying to red pill them. | |
| She was telling them that Albus is alive, and Prince is alive, and... Oh, yeah. | |
| It is so wild how, just absolutely, they never back away from that being their most important thing. | |
| No matter what happens to these people, be it arrests, be it Jail, whatever, whatever bad things are happening to these people, they still just keep on fighting to make sure that they're killing people, that they're working to make sure that people are being brought into this cult. | |
| And it's wild to me that they're so They're so single-minded in this purpose. | |
| They're so driven by this mission to pull people into this alternate reality. | |
| I mean, it is, it's just, it shows how all-consuming this cult is. | |
| And I think in a lot of ways QAnon, QAnon hates negative 48 and for a lot of stuff like the JFK and the JFK Jr. | |
| shit. | |
| I think that also I can see why people wouldn't like him because this is really in a lot of ways showing people what the endgame of this stuff is. | |
| And that if you do get into this movement and you do start believing in what they're believing in, that you could get lured down this path where you're dealing with this kind of just madness, just absolute madness where You're in jail for terroristic threats. | |
| You might think that the best thing you can do is study up on the law, talk to your lawyers, prepare a defense, try to explain things. | |
| And no, you're just talking to your fellow inmates about how Bruno Mars is Prince, or this person is Michael Jackson, and it's just... | |
| You're just living that life. | |
| You just can't escape this alternate reality that you've created. | |
| Even when you're in such a dangerous situation as being in prison. | |
| Yeah, I mean, she's like... Shelly has lost everything. | |
| She's lost her family. | |
| She's like... Her grandson, who was born when she was in Dallas, she is not allowed to see him. | |
| He's nearly two now, I think, or just two. | |
| She has not been allowed to see him. | |
| Her husband divorced her. | |
| She's lost everything and now she's gone to jail and she's still just... I don't understand it. | |
| She gets so close sometimes to realizing that she's being completely played and then all of a sudden she just goes backwards and just doubles down all over again. | |
| She just can't do it. | |
| All the damage that being a part of this movement has done to her still doesn't sink in that maybe this is the wrong thing to do. | |
| Maybe I shouldn't be doing this. | |
| Maybe I should be changing my ways and trying to go down a path where I'm not dealing with this stuff. | |
| I'm not trying to poison the brains of everyone within 20 feet of me. | |
| Throwing my life away to the point where I'm now so angry and vengeful of the world that I'm making terroristic threats to people. | |
| What was the reason why Shelly went after this person? | |
| Why was Shelly making terroristic threats against this person? | |
| Okay, so this is somebody that she knows. | |
| He lives in her county and he coached her son in baseball. | |
| Fair. | |
| And apparently, you know, he was mean to her son and didn't let him play in all the baseball games. | |
| So she's now accusing him of sex trafficking. | |
| Fair. That seems like a very measured, rational response to have an issue with the little league coach in your area. | |
| And your response to that issue is to call them a pederast. | |
| That seems solid. | |
| Yeah, so and you know she went from what I believe, I mean I'm pretty sure in one of the chats I heard her say something about his head should be on a platter and so you know she's She kind of went too far, like way too far. | |
| And the thing is, she had no proof. | |
| There was nothing. | |
| There was no proof at all that he was doing anything like that. | |
| And it's obviously everybody now, because she was posting it to her Facebook and all her other social media, like everybody where she lives knows. | |
| Everybody. | |
| Oh, my God, it's so she's out. | |
| I mean, so now she's basically a public cult member in her community on top of having done all this other stuff in Dallas, and having been around negative 48 this whole time. | |
| Yep. | |
| Like, when she was telling her story about the police coming to her door and knocking on her door to arrest her, like, you know, she was saying one of the police officers that put the handcuffs on went to her church. | |
| Like, this is how, you know, close-knit community they are. | |
| Oh my god. | |
| That's... | |
| And it really goes to show you how these kinds of movements can get to anybody. | |
| Because you have this woman who's literally going to church with the cop who arrests her. | |
| She had infrastructure around her. | |
| She had a support group around her. | |
| And she threw it all away for Michael Protzman. | |
| And the JFK Jr. | |
| and JFK Sr. | |
| are a live crew. | |
| And yep. | |
| And he treated her like, like in the end, negative treated her so badly. | |
| Like, I mean, she was like, she wouldn't let go. | |
| When she got kicked out, she just couldn't, she started following him around from rally to rally to rally. | |
| You know, she was, um, like listening in on his chats, even though she got blocked from his actual channel. | |
| Um, and she was live, you know, streaming his chats for all her followers to hear. | |
| And he would know that she was listening. | |
| And the things he was saying, he called her every name you could think of. | |
| And she still worships him. | |
| She, she believes he's not dead. | |
| He's alive. | |
| He, he faked his death to get away from the negative 48 group because they were all, you know, um, pretty much fucked and he didn't like them anymore. | |
| So he faked his death to get away from them. | |
| But he's, and he's also junior. | |
| It is just, man, it is really wild that you can get into such a level of delusion that you're, Just doing this all to yourself, man. | |
| I just, it's really, it's really interesting to me that I thought this chat would be about Tiny Teflon and the weirdness of having a community like this doing the whole child leader nonsense. | |
| And now we're just going down this road with Shelly and all of the stuff that's happened with her. | |
| Do you know when her, Is her trial set for any time in the near future? | |
| What's the current status of her legal proceedings? | |
| At the moment, there's nothing that's being set. | |
| We're kind of watching and waiting to see where that goes. | |
| But yeah, because obviously that's in Georgia as well. | |
| So I'm guessing there's a lot of stuff going on in Georgia at the moment. | |
| So I don't know when that will be. | |
| Yeah. | |
| We're kind of just watching that. | |
| But you know, It's been, it's definitely been Shelly, Shelly's has been like a, it's kind of like a spin-off thing that's just, you know, carried on the whole time the Negative 48 stuff's been going on. | |
| Hers has been taking another road, you know, and it's, I mean, she attacks the members of Negative 48, like, you know, she's, she got served by one of them and managed to get out of that one. | |
| But, you know, it's just been a long winding one with Shelly, unfortunately. | |
| I mean, I've never seen somebody destroy their life so badly. | |
| And at times I think she realizes that she has, but whether it's just too painful to realize that, oh my God, look what I've done and this is all a big lie and I can't, I can't bring myself to actually admit it and I can't, you know, It's just weird to watch. | |
| Well, I see that. | |
| I've seen every now and then. | |
| Like one time, a long time ago, maybe over a year ago, I remember seeing Praying Medic say something to the effect of either QAnon is the most effective intelligence operation of all time, or it's the biggest LARP of all time. | |
| And you can just tell that when he says that he's Putting himself in this spot where it can't be a LARP, it can't be the bad thing, because if it's the bad thing, then holy smokes, have they put themselves in the worst possible place. | |
| But at the same time, when they're willing to even put those words out there, when they're even willing to say that this could possibly be a LARP, you just know that they're kind of in terror of the fact that, oh man, I might be wrong. | |
| All these people in my life, all around me, in society, they might be right and I just can't, I just can't abide by that. | |
| I just can't accept that they might be right and that I am doing all of this stuff in the name of a joke, in the name of something that is not real, that is not serious, and I just think that's Terrifying to most rank-and-file members of QAnon that they're gonna have to one day say, oh, you know, I shouldn't have bought into this. | |
| This was a mistake. | |
| And With someone like Shelley, I think you're seeing the ultimate, the worst possible outcome of that, where you double and triple and quadruple down. | |
| You just can't back down, so you just keep pushing forward, even to the point where you're now putting yourself in legal jeopardy. | |
| You've been held, you've been detained. | |
| You've had to enter a plea. | |
| You are facing legal consequences in the near future for what you've done. | |
| And none of it, none of it is dissuading you from what you're doing. | |
| You're still on that path and you're not leaving that path for God knows what reason. | |
| Yeah. | |
| I mean, she even lost her job. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Oh yeah, absolutely. | |
| When she was arrested, she lost her job. | |
| Yeah. | |
| I mean, it's crazy that this is what happens, that you can get into this kind of situation. | |
| Also, bringing us back to other depressing topics, because there's no levity, there's no joy in dealing with negative 48 and his movement. | |
| Um, so there's, uh, another child challenger to the leadership of this movement. | |
| You said there was something about a nine-year-old that is also on the tiny Teflon path of, uh, Dramatria leadership and, and, uh, running this movement. | |
| Well, he, he's a part of Shelly's group. | |
| So obviously Shelly's group and the negative 48 group don't interact at all. | |
| Shelly's been completely cut off from them. | |
| But yeah, he came on to the chat. | |
| He has been on Shelly's chat once before, but what was alarming was that, look Shelly obviously since she's thrown everything down the toilet and lost her job, they are literally sitting in chats until like, you know, three, four o'clock in the morning. | |
| And this child woke up and came on Through his father's microphone and started talking at about 2.30am their time. | |
| And some of the things that were coming out of that young child's mouth. | |
| He's, I believe he's nine or ten. | |
| And was just, yeah, it was, you know, he kept saying, you know, this will, he was telling the adults, you know, it's okay. | |
| This is going to be all over soon. | |
| You know and that sort of thing and he was talking about Trump and you know at one point his dad said something about earthquakes and he was telling his son that it's not really earthquakes it's the military cleaning out the dumbs and saving the children and and you just sit there like with your mouth wide open going what what is going on? | |
| Man, so what is the inner circle of Negative 48's group like, and how long do you think they will tolerate Tiny Teflon quote-unquote leading the group or trying to boss people around? | |
| Because you had mentioned previously that this is a movement that is very jealous, that these people are not very comforting and accommodating to each other. | |
| And that while we had talked about on the podcast previously about how hard it would | |
| be for someone to keep the movement together and to actually be the leader. | |
| While that might be true, it's also true that no one else wants somebody else to be the leader | |
| because how dare you? That was my spot, gosh darn it. | |
| Yeah, I think, and this is what I'm kind of watching unfold at the moment. | |
| Obviously you're seeing various people that were in the inner circle start to step up and not so much, obviously, I still don't believe anyone can be replaced negative because at the end of the day, you know, Trump spoke to him in code. | |
| JFK spoke to him in code. | |
| Junior spoke to him in code. | |
| Nobody can then step in and replace that part of it. | |
| Um, but I am seeing different people start to step up and control things like, Hey, you know, we're going to go to this Trump rally. | |
| And if we all sign up and volunteer over here, we're going to get in. | |
| We're going to be able to volunteer. | |
| We could, you know, get to meet Trump, you know, and that sort of thing. | |
| And is going on, like people are actually stepping up and taking different roles on and organizing things within the group. | |
| Um, I think, I'm not sure if you saw that they met RFK Jr. | |
| Um, and you know, I made the comment on my Twitter account, you know, did you actually tell him your beliefs? | |
| And they did respond back on their channels saying that they didn't have time to tell him. | |
| He was in a hurry. | |
| They only managed to get a photo with him. | |
| Oh, that would have been great. | |
| It would be, in a lot of ways, I would think that that would be kind of interesting if RFK Jr. | |
| were to actually interact with people that are the end game of the bullshit that he promotes, where he actually runs into people who are like, Hey, RFK Jr., we know that your, uh, Your uncle is still alive. | |
| I mean, they probably think that RFK Jr.' 's dad is also alive. | |
| And you know, JFK Jr.' 's alive also. | |
| You know, your nephew or half-brother, however that works. | |
| I'm entirely lacking in family name knowledge. | |
| Oh, man. | |
| I mean, not that anything would actually dissuade RFK Jr. | |
| because RFK Jr. | |
| is a grifter and he has built this grift around his last name and the bullshit he pedals. | |
| But I mean, it would be just kind of interesting if he actually had to confront that. | |
| I mean, because My current pin tweet right now is that lady who is having a breakdown over the vaccines killing everybody and the two-tiered justice system and all the other bad stuff that's going on and the direct energy weapons burning down Hawaii and how no one's doing anything to stop it. | |
| I just wonder what a QAnon promoter gets when they see a video like that, when you actually see what you've done to people in such a raw and just direct fashion. | |
| Like, here's a video of someone who's been brain poisoned by you. | |
| This is what you've done to her. | |
| Congratulations. | |
| This is your achievement. | |
| One of the QAnon promoters says, this is your legacy, Poker. | |
| And I'm like, well, my legacy is not this lady crying in her car about the fact that everyone's going to be dying from the COVID jab in a few years. | |
| That's your legacy. | |
| How happy are you about that? | |
| So, I mean, I would have been really funny if RFK Jr. | |
| had actually had an in-depth conversation with those nuts about the stuff they believe and how that ties into him and his family. | |
| Well, cause I don't know if you remember, um, it's been promoted like a fair bit. | |
| I think it was about a couple of years ago. | |
| He was on a live stream and someone told him to touch his nose if JFK Jr. | |
| was alive and he did. | |
| So, they brought that up, obviously, when I put it out there, did you tell him? | |
| And they're like, well, you know, don't you remember? | |
| He touched his nose. | |
| Oh, they love that stuff. | |
| They love the secret message shit, because that was, that happened to Justin Bieber also, because one of Justin Bieber's music videos, people Did the decoding and they were like, oh, this video is about child trafficking and all this kind of stuff. | |
| And there's like videos online where you can see in the chat box, someone says to Bieber, say, Hey, Justin, if this is about child trafficking, touch your nose or touch or whatever. | |
| And then he touches the, he touches his nose and they're like, ah, we got him. | |
| You can never know how edited those videos are, and Lord knows if the person who's in the chat is actually reading the chat and reacting to it. | |
| A lot of times when you have a famous person doing one of those online Q&As, a moderator is filtering the chat and then shooting questions over to the celebrity. | |
| The celebrity isn't scrolling the chat themselves, so it's not like they're seeing it and being like, Oh, that guy wants me to send him the code about the child trafficking. | |
| Boop! | |
| Just touched my snoot. | |
| There we go. | |
| Now they all know that I know about the dumbs and the Jewish face lasers and it's all... I'm Justin Bieber. | |
| Toad's part of the Illuminati. | |
| Trying to get out of it. | |
| All that stuff. | |
| So I just, I, that is one of the things they really love. | |
| Cause it's one of those ways to try to sneak their bullshit into the conversation. | |
| Cause they know if like they said, Hey, RFK Jr. | |
| is your, is your uncle alive? | |
| Or is JFK Jr. | |
| alive? | |
| He's going to ignore that question. | |
| You're obviously a crank. | |
| He isn't going to talk to you. | |
| And the same thing with Justin Bieber or any other celebrity. | |
| If you send them a message, Hey, is it true? | |
| Hollywood's full of human trafficking and you drink the blood of children. | |
| They're not going to answer you, but if you can ask them to make a gesture, if you could ask them to do something to indicate agreement with you, you have a chance they're going to make that gesture. | |
| Their nose might itch. | |
| They might wave at something. | |
| They might wave at the camera because they're saying hi to their audience. | |
| They're like, hey, Justin, wave if there's child trafficking in Hollywood. | |
| Then he waves. | |
| Boom, got him! | |
| It's just a way to generate a false positive. | |
| It's just a way to generate something that then you can clip and post to all of your friends with the title, Bieber Exposes Illuminati! | |
| Truth Revealed At Last! | |
| And then you get to run with that shit and it's just... | |
| It's so obviously in bad faith and it's so silly that it just, it's ridiculous. | |
| But hey, obviously the Negative 48 crew is going to do stuff like that. | |
| Obviously. | |
| Well, it's always been one of those things like, so Negative used to tell them, so obviously they've met, you know, a fair amount of people going to the rallies, like, you know, Mike Lindell and, you know, other people as well they've met. | |
| And Negative used to tell them, you know, Never bring up who you think they are in a mask because you'll hurt the plan. | |
| Now, I find that hilarious because obviously he's just covering his ass to make sure they never say anything to him. | |
| And you know, like you've seen, like I always wonder because Mickey Larson, she met Trump in person. | |
| She never said anything to him about her beliefs. | |
| They've had people at the rallies who got to actually stand up and ask Trump a question. | |
| and never ask the question. | |
| So, you know, like, why don't you people, if you really believe in this stuff, | |
| and you know, you sit there and you say, I stand by my truth, ask them the question. | |
| Well, they'll never do that because the whole point of the LARP | |
| is to maintain the ability to have disbelief. | |
| It's, you know. | |
| It's the same nonsense as to why I don't check my Powerball tickets until the next morning, because I want to have another 12 hours of thinking I'm a billionaire. | |
| Then I wake up and I find out that it wasn't hit in Massachusetts. | |
| And I'm like, gosh, darn it, screw you, Florida, for ruining my fun. | |
| Because the last thing you want to do is ruin the fun. | |
| The last thing you're going to do... QAnon had the whole thing about the question. | |
| That was basically someone was supposed to ask Trump if Q was real, and Trump was supposed to respond in the affirmative. | |
| He was supposed to say, yes, Q is real, and I am Q plus. | |
| And a lot of QAnon people would even go so far as to say that after he did that, he would start arresting people in the White House press corps for their crimes of being part of the deep state. | |
| And yet, When Trump would be on Fox News or being interviewed by Hannity or any of these very pro-Trump, very friendly people and organizations, no one would ever ask him the question. | |
| And QAnon would never be peppering Hannity or like Steve Bannon or any of these people. | |
| They'd never be like, Hey, hey, ask him the question. | |
| Like, let's go with it. | |
| I mean, because. | |
| They knew that when Trump was asked the question, he wasn't going to give that answer. | |
| He wasn't going to legitimize Q. It was ridiculous. | |
| So they spun it. | |
| And then when Trump did get asked the question by the media, and he didn't give the right answer, they had to create a whole narrative around that. | |
| They had to create a whole new mythos about why Trump didn't say what he was supposed to say. | |
| And they were like, oh, they didn't ask him the right question. | |
| The question was supposed to be this, and they said this instead. | |
| And it's just like, it's just, They know exactly what's going on. | |
| On some level, what you said about they know their truth. | |
| It's like, no, they actually know what their truth is. | |
| And their truth is a lie. | |
| They don't want to break it. | |
| They don't want to break the illusion of it all by actually asking him a question. | |
| And also they know that if they're at a rally and they're doing the pass the microphone thing around, Can you imagine how that crowd would turn on you and how much hatred you would feel from an audience if you were like, Mr. Trump, it's true that you're actually JFK in a fat suit, right? | |
| Can you just take the mask off and show everybody that you're John F. Kennedy? | |
| That would be really great. | |
| By the time you finish that question, the whole crowd would be booing you and Trump would be looking at you really confused and have no idea what you were doing. | |
| And then Trump would probably make a joke about you being some sort of crazy deep state antifa plant that's trying to make his people look bad. | |
| And then everybody would laugh at you. | |
| Oh my, oh my God. | |
| I cannot imagine that. | |
| That would be like the ultimate. | |
| Humiliation that you could experience as a person. | |
| You would get so crushed in that moment. | |
| Oh my God. | |
| Oh boy. | |
| I mean, I can't, that would be so, so bad. | |
| I can't imagine a more humiliating situation than that. | |
| That would just be devastating. | |
| Well, there's been like, I know when they, one of them spoke to RFK, he said to him, You know, I was down in Dallas with Negative 48 and apparently he replied, who's Negative 48? | |
| But to them, they said that, you know, he had a little smirk on his face. | |
| So obviously, you know, he knew who he was. | |
| He just, you know, didn't want to actually say. | |
| And I know Trump's been asked the question as well. | |
| He was told that they were backstage, one of Negative 48's crew, Backstage, um, got to meet him and said the same thing. | |
| I'm in Dallas with negative 48 and Trump said the same thing. | |
| Who's that? | |
| Oh, they, yeah, that kind of thing with the smirk or the gesture or the, uh, Trump can't actually say that, but he can, he knows he, he gave us the wink and the nod. | |
| This is again, this is again, how they handled Trump not confirming the legitimacy of Q. | |
| Was that Trump just sort of sidestepped the QAnon question and then did the whole thing where he's like, well, if QAnon's anti-pedophiles and they're fighting the deep state and they think I'm a good guy, why is that a bad thing? | |
| Like Trump didn't condemn them, but he also didn't approve of them. | |
| And that was enough. | |
| That was a win for them. | |
| They're like, yeah, we did not get condemned. | |
| We are good. | |
| I mean, that's just... | |
| The sad level of what is an acceptable answer for QAnon to get from their hero. | |
| So it's just wild that that happened. | |
| And that's how they play the game. | |
| That's how they operate under the pretext of We can't actually push our question because if we actually push, then we're going to be, we're going to get, we're going to get exposed. | |
| Like we're not going to get what we want and we know we're not going to get what we want. | |
| So we have to keep it sly. | |
| We have to keep it slick in order to make it work out. | |
| So, um, as for Dallas and Daily Plaza and all that stuff, what is the actual physical Situation around the negative 48 call. | |
| Are they still in Dallas? | |
| Are they touring? | |
| What is going on? | |
| They're currently waiting for the next Trump rally. | |
| So they're not in Dallas. | |
| I have a feeling, though, that they may all go back at the end of October to somehow organise some sort of a remembrance for Negative. | |
| Because Negative always said it started in Dallas and it ends in Dallas. | |
| So now they're left wondering, like, well, how's it going to end in Dallas if he's not around, obviously. | |
| But I do, I feel like, because look, at the end of the day, the other part of this movement is about them all getting together as a group. | |
| They like to all congregate as a group somewhere and hang out. | |
| And so I'm pretty sure they will organise something and all head back to Dallas at some point. | |
| I know yesterday some of them spent the day with 107. | |
| Oh, how connected is 107 to this movement? | |
| Well, 107 hated negative. | |
| What caused that? | |
| Why were those two not friendly? | |
| I think because obviously they had done a few live streams together early on before Dallas. | |
| He, and I think because Negative likes to be the number one and try to take over. | |
| And obviously, you know, when you both want to be the number one, it doesn't work out too well. | |
| But after Negative died, Juan said that he didn't really like Negative's intel and a lot of it, you know, was off base and he shouldn't have been telling his followers that sort of stuff. | |
| So, you know, he said that his followers were nice people, but basically negative was a liar. | |
| Oh my God. | |
| Shocking. | |
| Negative is a liar. | |
| I don't believe it. | |
| But that coming from one. | |
| Yes. | |
| I mean, the thing that just blows my mind about this is that Juan O'Seavan was actually working with Republicans to get people elected to Secretary of State in swing states so he could try to tip the election to Trump in 2024. | |
| And so you've got this guy, and I know Juan's kind of a nut and he's not really like that Accepted in like QAnon high society. | |
| Cause I mean, I know Jordan Sather fucking hates him. | |
| And I, and I don't know like many of the people that are in like the Badlands media community and the We The Media community. | |
| I don't know a lot of them really interact with Juan, but the fact that Juan is big enough that he can hang out with Republicans and work behind the scenes with them. | |
| And then at the same time. | |
| He can go hang out with the remnants of the negative 48 cults. | |
| That's just, like, holy shit. | |
| That is, that is really, really jarring. | |
| That's really scary. | |
| He was at some event, yes. | |
| I know Lloyd Brunson was there. | |
| Who's that? | |
| Who's that? | |
| Who's Lloyd Brunson? | |
| He's the one, I don't know, he was doing something with negative anyway, not with negative, with one anyway. | |
| Where, so he's doing something about election, you know, integrity and fraud and all that sort of stuff. | |
| So he was with him. | |
| I saw a picture on the stage with him. | |
| I don't know who the other two guys that were on the stage and, you know, I always laugh with one because he's sitting there with his back turned while everyone else is facing the audience and it's like, how many times have we actually seen this guy's face? | |
| Why does he continue to hide it? | |
| Because that's kind of his weird gimmick. | |
| That's his mystique, is that mostly you just, like, see his feet and shit. | |
| Or you see, like, the expensive car he's driving. | |
| Juan is bizarre. | |
| He is a very odd duck. | |
| I just think that... He is. | |
| He is very bizarre. | |
| Like, I just don't get it. | |
| Like, you know, they took photos with him and stuff, and all the photos are of his hand with his ring. | |
| You know, his boots. | |
| It's just like, we've seen his face that many times. | |
| I don't understand why we're still doing this. | |
| Yeah. | |
| It's, it's, God. | |
| These people are such weird cranks. | |
| And the fact that we literally have a direct link between the negative 48 cult and the guy that was trying to actually end American democracy is wow. | |
| That is just, it just breaks my brain. | |
| I don't even know how to wrap my head around it. | |
| So any final thoughts about what's going on here about. | |
| Where we go from child leaders and 107 all trying to get control of this movement of people and all of it. | |
| I mean, just. | |
| At the moment, I think look, Tiny Teflon's definitely going to be one to watch because. | |
| At the end of her chat, you know, she had said that she wants to bring more kids into the movement and teach them Dhammatriya. | |
| So I think that's going to be definitely one to watch. | |
| Is this going to become a kid's cult somewhere along the line? | |
| Which won't. | |
| I mean, as I said, I nearly was sick just listening to it. | |
| And the rest of the group, look, I have noticed that, you know, some of the Well, put it this way. | |
| When, after Negative died, he lost over 2,000 followers from his channel. | |
| They actually were leaving. | |
| Yeah. | |
| So it's obviously the inner circle is trying to hold it together and trying to keep people around and, you know, keep them interested in what they've got left. | |
| But at the end of the day, when they do their live chats, all you basically hear is You know, remember when Negative told us this, remember when Negative told us that, remember when Negative... You know, they've got nothing new, because he's not there to tell them. | |
| Right. | |
| The movement is moving from the living Christ to the crucified Christ, and now we're trying to create the Bible. | |
| We're trying to get the holy text written about our fallen leader. | |
| So how big was Negative Protzman's? | |
| How big was Negative 48's Telegram channel? | |
| Physically, how big is the cult? | |
| How many people were followers of his social media? | |
| And how many physical people are in the movement now? | |
| So Negative originally, when he went to Dallas, he had 108,000 followers. | |
| And then when he got to Dallas, he locked his channel, made it private. | |
| He didn't go on to his platform for probably six to eight weeks because obviously he was too busy running around Dallas with all his followers. | |
| And then when Shelly got kicked out, he started To remove his followers, anyone who was in touch with Shelly or um you know | |
| over had joined Tenor or Shelly or anyone like that got booted from his channel. | |
| So his channel dropped rapidly because he was constantly booting people from it just because he may have thought that you know they had some sort of involvement. | |
| He got very paranoid and he just started booting people. | |
| So his telegram channel dropped to about 60,000. | |
| And then over the course of the time it kind of just kept, because he would, He'd be in a live chat and he'd just be booting anyone that obviously didn't say what he wanted them to say or if he thought they were from Shelly's chat hiding in their live streaming for her so she could hear and he would just constantly be booting people out of the chat. | |
| So when he died it was at about 50,000 and then after he died it kind of dropped down to about 48,000 and kind of just sat there. | |
| Yeah. | |
| This is on Telegram, right? | |
| Yeah. | |
| So you get the little eye icon for how many people are actually looking at posts. | |
| What kind of engagement are the posts actually getting? | |
| How many of that 48,000 are actually actively following what's going on? | |
| Well, it's kind of hard to gauge that because what they did is, after he died, they turned all their channels off. | |
| So no one could chat, no one could say anything. | |
| And they've only recently started turning them all back on. | |
| So his channel wasn't active for close to a month. | |
| Um, and they've just, his second in charge is now posting on his channel. | |
| She's taken over his channel. | |
| So it's going to be interesting to see what happens there. | |
| And who was the second in charge? | |
| Callie. | |
| So she was his right hand. | |
| She basically went everywhere with him. | |
| They were never separated, ever. | |
| And you know, when he was doing codes, she would be writing them all down and keeping records of the codes. | |
| And she would be, if anyone wanted to contact him, they had to go through her. | |
| So yeah, she was admin on the channel and she now has control of it. | |
| And Aha! | |
| Okay, so Shelley was the first right hand and then got excommunicated for heresy and is now ruining her life and Kelly is our current resident incumbent leader of the movement, although we now have Tiny Teflon and The rest of the inner circle sort of around doing stuff and trying to keep things afloat. | |
| So that's very God. | |
| It's just a Why couldn't it have all fallen apart after Protzman died? | |
| Why are people still trying to hold this terrible thing together? | |
| Why does evil need to continue to be strengthened and fortified? | |
| Just let evil die. | |
| Why? | |
| God, you people. | |
| It's, you know, look, I hope that more people kind of fall off. | |
| Because without him, as I said, they don't have anything new. | |
| He would tell them after every Trump rally, You know, this is what Trump said to me in code, this is what he really meant, this and that. | |
| So they don't have that at the moment. | |
| So, you know, they're kind of left to kind of figure things out on their own and stuff. | |
| So I think eventually it will, you know, kind of fall away more. | |
| But yeah, for now they are really trying to hang on. | |
| Well, I bitterly resent their continuing to hang on, so nuts to all that. | |
| But I just hope everybody enjoyed just a kind of hour of sadness. | |
| I mean, this is just, it's, it's just, this movement is such a crystallization of how QAnon in its worst form is manifested in the world. | |
| This is what you get when you actually achieve the goals of these people, where you have a leader who just takes people down a path and that path is nonsense and everyone just abides by it because they're in the flow and they're following along and they're doing whatever the boss says. | |
| And it all just ends so poorly. | |
| There's no good that can come out of any of this. | |
| And now we have someone who wants to lure more children into the movement who's a child themselves. | |
| It's just... Man! | |
| God! | |
| I don't know how you can stop a thing like this without trampling upon the First Amendment in all sorts of ways, but man, just, boy, boy, it is just not great. | |
| Yeah, no. | |
| I don't know. | |
| I was hoping for a bit of a different outcome after he died, but watching it all unravel. | |
| And there has been a lot of infighting, I must say, within the groups. | |
| I am seeing different channels, like their followers all fighting with each other. | |
| And so, I had noticed that that was not happening before. | |
| Well, I hope it continues to happen. | |
| I hope we all destroy each other. | |
| So yes. | |
| So thank you, Karma, for being here. | |
| Thanks for explaining this all to us in all the typical deep dive horror that is a Karma does negative 48 conversations usually ends up being. | |
| And we hope to never have you on the podcast again, although I know that's impossible. | |
| So we will have to talk to you about this in the near future. | |
| Thanks. |