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April 13, 2020 - Adventures in HellwQrld
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AntiVaxx

Let's talk about QAnon and the Anti-Vaxx movement within it and how it's awful and bad. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hello, everyone.
Pilgrim Politics here.
Time to talk about anti-vax and the QAnon movement.
Now, as QAnon has become more and more extreme over the past year, and really, in a way, kind of the past couple months, with adrenochrome and cannibalism, a lot more QAnon supporters are getting really, really angry about vaccines and are coming out as being aggressively anti-vaccination.
And this is because of COVID-19 and coronavirus making everyone really acknowledging That we're going to have a coronavirus vaccine within a couple years.
It's kind of inevitable that that's going to happen.
That there's going to be a way to prevent this thing from infecting people and we're going to have to be ready for everyone to get that shot to make sure that coronavirus doesn't continue to spread like wildfire through the world and kill people.
So because we're staring down the barrel of this shot that everyone's going to have to get at some point, A lot of QAnon supporters are making it abundantly clear.
No, I will not get this shot.
No, you will not inject me with anti-coronavirus.
I refuse.
I will not do this.
And this is a bad look for QAnon politically because when these people are just like screaming about the deep state and corruption and they're off on their psychotic tangents about cannibalism and adrenochrome, They're just a kooky old uncle that posts weird stuff on your Facebook that you kind of ignore because they're just a strange person.
Anti-vaxxers actually have a movement and There's a following to them and they show up to protest bills when there's vaccination laws being debated in states.
And it's a thing that people know about.
It has spokespeople like Robert Kennedy Jr.
and others who get out on TV and scream and yell about how vaccines are death and they cause autism and all those kinds of stuff.
So this isn't a thing that Republicans can just sort of laugh at and say, oh, those wacky anti-vaxxers, ain't they a tramp?
We're on your side, vote for us.
They can't do the dog whistle for these people.
They can't do things to let the anti-vaxxers know they're on their side because you can't side with an anti-vaxxer in polite society without being condemned.
Trump kept just telling the anti-vaxxers during the primaries and then he had to say, oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean it, I'm totally in favor of vaccines.
They're cool.
Trump is that way about everything.
He'll just go, he'll say whatever he needs to say in order to make someone happy that day because that's all he knows.
He's a creature that lives exclusively in the moment at all times and has no plan for anything in the future other than surviving this one day, this one second, and then we'll repeat it all again on the morrow.
But anyhow, so this really adamant The fanaticism of QAnon to be anti-vaccine is really strange, especially because Q has only ever mentioned vaccines once in a QDROP.
In QDROP 1010, Q listed a bunch of things in all capital letters.
Money.
Power.
Control.
People are simply in the way.
Slaves.
Sheep.
Pawns.
Mass extinction events designed to decrease threat level of population.
Gun control.
Wars.
Uh, Killbox Fake?
Killbox Top Happy?
Killbox Back End Deal?
No idea.
Election rigging.
Control.
Your voice does not matter.
Pharma.
Class D. I guess declassification something.
Water.
Air.
This is one of the most famous weird things Q has ever said coming up, which is chemicals pushed for home cleaning.
Kill box cancer.
Kill box baby on floor.
Hands in mouth.
A little space line, I don't know, hyphen, hyphen, the start, which is gibberish.
Baby on floor, hands in mouth.
Babies put their hands in their mouths all the time.
There's no earthly clue as to what he was trying to say there.
He was just smashing keys and he's like, this sounds good.
It's like working on lyrics for A band that really doesn't care about conveying a message.
This is like a Beck song.
It's just gibberish.
I demand some weird band use the lyric, baby on floor, hands in mouth.
In a song at some point, as the ultimate deep cut for a reference that would make no sense to anybody.
And it would probably give them a lot of weird fans that they would probably not want to actually have.
But hey, it might sell you some records, so go for it!
Anyways, the next line is vaccines.
So he literally now condemns vaccines.
But then, in a killbox, because again, the guy who writes Q has no idea what the actual context of any of these things are.
And this is from April of 2018, and he's killboxing just random words.
Not all.
So Q, in the one time he's ever referenced vaccines, says literally, not all vaccines are bad.
And because he's Q, he gives us an incredible amount of clarity on this issue by stating just not all.
So which ones are bad, Q?
You figure it out.
You're the world's best research team.
You're the peaceful research movement.
You figure out which vaccines are good.
And then Tobacco, opioids, ultimate win, death plus money.
I don't know how... I think the death is probably pretty bad, but whatever.
The Fed, Rothschilds, conspiracy, conspiracy, conspiracy, three times.
UK, Germany, five days.
So apparently on April 9th, 2018, something big between the United Kingdom and Germany was supposed to happen.
I'm sure something big happened there.
Choice is yours, not in all capital letters.
Revelations, back to all caps.
Enough is enough!
Q finishes with an angry grunt.
And then a Q. And that's the message.
So, vaccines, not all, is literally just kind of a thing that Q is mad at.
And that was the only time Q has ever addressed this issue.
But because QAnon is conspiratorial, and because vaccines are part of the mainstream, QAnon hates them.
Now, where did this all come from?
I mean, if you know the story of anti-vax, you know what I'm going to say, so you can, I don't know, skip to the questions section.
I don't even know what that'll be, but you can go, you can just keep hitting, like, you can speed me up to double speed and make me talk really fast, faster than I already talk.
But basically what happened was there was a doctor named Andrew Wakefield who published a study in The Lancet that said that vaccines cause autism.
There was a correlation between vaccination and autism.
And once that happened, the horse was out of the barn.
It was absolute madness.
It was bedlam.
His research was immediately discredited.
It was all retracted.
It was just all total bullshit.
But the damage had been done.
And so we now had basically the modern anti-max movement after that.
And Wade Field's out there preaching anti-vax now.
He's a crank doing his crank thing.
And we have all kinds of other people doing these kinds of stuff.
And so one of these people is Dustin Nemos, who was one of the first people that I really engaged with when I started my Twitter God, I couldn't find that word.
That is why you don't do podcasts at three in the morning.
Your word finding is not great.
But I started my Twitter account and one of the first guys I ran into was Dustin Mimos and he hit me with a couple memes.
And the first of which was a thing that was an insert of a So basically, when you get the vaccine, you open the little box, take the vaccine out, and there's an insert.
And that insert has all kinds of stuff in it.
And the insert was just kind of like, look, we take no responsibility for anything this vaccine does.
Just go to hell if you think we're going to pay you off if something goes terribly wrong here.
And if you actually read it, you realize it was just very much legalese.
It was a very lawyerly written thing.
And it was just a company trying to disavow themselves of danger, whereas the government had said it was safe and so on and so forth.
And as it turned out, the Insert was out of date, the one that Nemos used, and the current insert had said that they were pretty happy with the vaccine and everything was going great.
So he had to use an out-of-date insert in order to even make his argument.
And these inserts are put there as a cover-your-ass move by the vaccine company anyways.
So it's really dishonest to take the most defensive language humanly possible That they're for legal reasons and not for medical reasons, and try to twist it into being a thing where it's like, oh, look, the company admits the vaccines are totally dangerous.
And it's like, no, the company just really is trying to avoid getting sued.
Because that's what companies do when they're companying.
So that was his first meme.
The second meme was a meme about vaccines being unavoidably unsafe.
And that sounds terrible, but it's a category for things that are produced.
It's just that simple.
And what it means is you can't make a vaccine that will be 100% safe for 100% of all people all the time.
You can never plan for that.
It's impossible.
One out of a billion people is going to have a bad reaction to something.
Unavoidably unsafe products include pretty much every prescription medicine ever made.
Dyes for your hair.
Bleach.
An unavoidably unsafe product is guns.
And guess who loves guns?
The right wing and QAnon love guns.
But they're never going to tell you that a gun is unavoidably unsafe, because no matter what you do for safety protocols for a gun, it can very still accidentally go off and kill somebody.
That is what guns are designed to do.
They're designed to kill people.
That's how it works.
So you have that.
as an unavoidably unsafe product. They'll never admit to that. And again, unavoidably unsafe was
a legal term that was in enshrined in the law by Congress and the meme almost always brings up the
Supreme Court called vaccines unavoidably unsafe. And you're going to inject yourself with something
that's unavoidably unsafe? And guess what?
The nine people in the Supreme Court aren't doctors.
They're lawyers and judges.
They are arguing the law.
They're not arguing medicine.
So, no, I don't really care what they have to say about vaccines on the medical grounds of what they're doing.
So, yeah, drop dead, guys.
I don't really care.
And then Nemos, after posting those memes, told me that he was going to keep dunking on me with memes until I gave up in frustration and blocked him.
And I found that out when I went on my Berner account and he had already blocked me.
So he had made this statement of victory right before he hit the block button on me.
So congrats Nemos for being a coward.
But that's kind of par for the course for QAnon.
This is how they argue.
This is how they operate.
They always argue in bad faith.
It's just the nature of QAnon.
It's the nature of the anti-vax movement.
It is dishonest.
It is fundamentally dishonest.
And that's the problem with engaging with them is that they'll never give you a straight engagement.
They're always going to look for an angle to work on you.
And so I'm going to dip into my questions because I have a bunch of questions today.
Judy Opens That Fresh Mouth of Hers asks, thoughts on the cult and QAnon influencers, the COVID-19 vaccination, if Trump wins re-election and if he loses?
If Trump wins re-election, holy shit, it's gonna be so bad for them.
Because, again, Trump lives only to try to minimize his problems.
And right now he is just the angriest man on earth at the coronavirus.
He hates it.
It's hamstrung him.
It's ruined his fun.
He has to go out there and do these press conferences, which he loves doing the press conference.
He loves the attention of being the bell on the wall for the press conference, but he doesn't like Having to be held to account for the coronavirus.
He doesn't want to be asked about his decision making and the thought process he had for all the various things that he's done as president, trying to coordinate the relief efforts for the coronavirus.
So the moment the FDA approves a vaccine for coronavirus, if Trump's still in office, he will, he will jump out of bed and run Screaming to a camera and tell everybody that we've got the vaccine.
It's 100% safe.
You need to take it.
You need to take it yesterday.
Let's finally put coronavirus behind us for good once and for all.
Do it, do it, do it.
Get the shot.
For the love of God, get the shot.
Fucking goddamn you, get the shot, you son of a bitch.
Take it!
Take that fucking shot!
There will be no bigger advocate for the coronavirus vaccine shot than President Trump.
He will be out of his mind to get people inoculated.
It will be his only goal.
And it will be the only positive achievement he will ever have as president in this country if he wins re-election and stays in office long enough to see the vaccine made under his administration.
And QAnon will absolutely stroke out.
They will not be able to tolerate it.
It'll be so devastating because you will have factional war.
You'll have the praying medics and the now You gotta go on Gab to hear him, Joe Ebbs of the world.
That'll do the whole, trust Trump, trust the plan.
Trump's Q+.
He's the boss.
He calls the shots.
He's totally in control.
You'll have him, you'll have those guys doing it, but Sather and Nemos can't.
They fucking can't do it.
Educating liberals already did a thing where he's like, I ain't getting a coronavirus shot.
And he did a poll and a bunch of people were like, it was overwhelming that coronavirus, the Bill Gates miracle shot.
I ain't taking it.
You can't make me take it.
So I mean, these people, much like Trump, they can't see more than two hours in front of them.
They have no concept of the future.
And you It's the guy-pressing-the-button-sweating meme, where you have one button that says Trump wins re-election, and then the other button says President Trump pushes hard for everyone to take a coronavirus vaccine.
Because that's what's going to happen.
I mean, that's what's going to happen.
If Trump wins, you have to deal with the fact that he is going to just destroy the anti-vaxxers in that movement.
He is just going to be so hell-bent on getting everyone the shot because, again, all he wants to do is get rid of this problem.
He doesn't care how he does it.
When everyone tells him, we've got the vaccine, this is it.
You're free.
You're clear.
You'll never have to worry about coronavirus again.
He'll just say, do it.
Do it yesterday.
Get it done.
I'm fucking sick of this shit.
Bang it out.
So, you know, for QAnon, really, they need Biden to win.
It's in order to maintain solidarity.
They will lose clout.
They will lose enthusiasm.
They will lose membership.
When Biden becomes president because Trump losing destroys their mythos, but Trump pushing hard for vaccinations will destroy their mythos just as much, I think.
And it will destroy it in a different way because They will still have solidarity if Biden wins.
They will still be unified as a group.
And, I mean, there'll be some who will throw in the towel and be like, oh, it was all a lie.
Oh, despair, despair.
But the thing about QAnon is that the only falsifiable part of QAnon is the whole Trump will save the world thing.
And that's going to crash and burn at some ill-defined point.
And when it crashes and burns, All these hucksters and conmen are going to have to do something to try to keep the grift moving.
And the only way they can do that is by claiming that like oh, but the Illuminati still live and the New World Order is still powerful and We're gonna have to rise up and fight them in other ways We've lost our man on the inside with Trump, but we can still do this boy guys.
We can still win So like those hucksters and those grifters who are gonna be pushing that they gotta do something They gotta try to do something to solve the people so we'll see but they They'll be unified.
They'll have an enemy.
And that's all that's all QAnon's about is having an enemy to hate.
And they'll just hate the president instead of hating Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff.
They'll just move their hate target to Joe Biden exclusively, pretty much.
And it will unify those who remain.
Whereas the vaccine in Trump's hands shatters the movement because now Many people will hate Trump.
And this is for the Republicans.
I mean, if you think QAnon's a big enough voting bloc, and I don't think anyone really does, but let's just say that QAnon is actually a million person group and that those million people are going to vote for Donald Trump come hell or high water, no matter what.
Donald Trump literally has a million votes in America.
Lord knows where they're scattered.
Everywhere.
But he has got a million QAnon votes.
And if Biden wins, probably the Republicans now have 600,000 votes.
They're losing 40% of the votes.
But they lose those 400,000 votes to despair.
They lose them to sadness.
They lose them to defeat.
People that do the whole goodbye cruel world thing.
Whereas if you had a million voters That backed Trump through QAnon and Trump wins re-election and then he endorses vaccines.
Now you have, who knows, 700,000 Trump supporters that are going to vote for him through QAnon?
But you're going to have 30% or more, and it could be even more, I could be way off on this, but you're going to have the rest of them who are going to be not Trump supporters.
But they're going to be non-Trump supporters out of anger, out of betrayal, out of rage.
These people might vote Democrat or do something spiteful or be malicious to Republican supporters.
They're not going to just vanish off Twitter and Facebook and social media and just call them a day because they didn't get what they wanted.
They're going to be militant.
They're going to be angry.
So, like, you're going to create this psychotic right-wing branch of nutjobs that are going to be really, really, really mad about what happened.
So, I don't know which you'd prefer.
I think you're going to lose more people net if Biden just wins.
But the minority faction that you create from Trump being the president when the vaccine comes out will be very toxic and dangerous to QAnon.
It's going to be fun either way.
Narc asks, any comments from QAnon about Tom Hanks hosting SNL last night?
Just wondering.
I actually haven't been, I didn't scour that much today.
I didn't see anything, so you might have won, you might have won a huge bet there, because I didn't think, I thought that cat name would be irresistible, but I didn't see anything.
I mean, again, I skim the surface of these people in a lot of ways.
I'm mostly just major dad, Julian's rum.
I don't think I even looked at Sather today.
I looked at Medic.
But, uh, it was Easter.
I was lazy.
But I didn't see much.
So, yeah, hey.
And they were lazy, too, because it was Easter.
So, probably tomorrow you'll see more freaking out about the Hanks SNL thing.
I didn't see any commentary about Hanks being on SNL at all, really.
So, it seems like it kind of went under the radar of everybody.
Warzone makes the comment, Jenny McCarthy must be a folk hero to them.
I don't think they know Jenny McCarthy's really that big of an anti-vaxxer.
It seems like they know, but kind of oblivious.
Jenna Jameson is their new hero at the moment, because she's a full-blown red pill.
Professional Shitposter says, who said natural selection isn't over?
In a way, this is really brutal Darwinism, that these people are going to make this decision to not get vaccinated.
Again, the problem is that you not getting vaccinated means that you are going to hurt others on top of yourself.
If you do something stupid and it hurts you and you alone, well, that's on you.
But if you do something stupid and it hurts other people on top of yourself, well, then you're just a prick.
And that's the real danger and problem of coronavirus is that if you don't get the vaccine,
if you don't social distance, if you don't play by the rules
of coronavirus, others can get hurt, and others can get killed as a result of your actions.
Then we have this pretty, we have a long thread here.
uh, Thank you.
Rand Kruger said, oh, he goes through a bunch of, we had a bunch of talk, and I have to try to find the actual area where he had a question with me.
And his main concern was mercury being in the vaccines, which is, he says, I think mercury is the main one.
I've been following it for a long time, but I'm not super well-versed.
And the mercury in vaccines is thimerosal.
Again, I'm terrible at names like that.
But it is the mercury that's in vaccines, and there's two kinds of mercury.
Methylmercury is the type of mercury that's commonly found in kinds of fish.
At high levels of exposure, it can be toxic to people.
In the U.S.
federal guidelines, keep as much methylmercury as possible out of the environment and food, but over a lifetime, everyone is exposed to some of it.
Whereas, thermosol contains ethylmercury, not methylmercury.
Which is cleared from the human body much more quickly than methylmercury and is therefore less likely to cause harm.
And they go through a series of bullet points about the human body eliminates thermosol easily.
Thermosol has been shown to be safe when using vaccines.
There are obviously some side effects of thermosol in vaccines.
And finally, scientific research does not show a connection between thermosol and autism.
God damn you people!
And finally, thermosol was taken out of childhood vaccines in 2001.
So there is not mercury in the main vaccine shot that you get as a child, which is the measles, mumps, and rubella.
or MMR vaccine.
Nor is there any thermosol in the chickenpox vaccine or polio.
So all of these things don't have the thermosol in them.
So the whole mercury in vaccines thing has been out of date for almost 20 years now.
And this is the thing, is that vaccine anti-vaxxers, they use something like that.
They use the idea of, ooh, there's mercury in the vaccines, isn't that scary?
And they freak you out.
There's another meme, and it's a doll with all these pins in it.
The caption is, this is the amount of shots a three-year-old's had in its short life.
Do you think this is cool?
And my answer to that is, which one of those shots do you want to take away?
Which one of those needles are you going to pull out?
Which immunities do you not want that baby to get?
And why?
The whole point of vaccines is that they keep us safe and they help us out.
And every honest look at the issue goes to show that.
And between the Mercury and the other creepy stuff, the other big thing these people use, and Rand Krogh brought this up also, is just people distrusting the profit motive of Big Pharma.
They're out to make a buck.
And because they're out to make a buck, you can't truly ever trust them.
And that might be true, but vaccines really don't make them a lot of money.
And vaccines, in a lot of ways, would cost them money because treating somebody for whooping cough or measles or anything like that would make a hospital a lot more money than just giving them a shot and sending them on their way.
What this really is, is it's kind of a battle between the medical establishment trying to make a buck and the Health insurance establishment trying to not pay out insurance claims.
And in this case, everyone's in agreement that the health insurance side wins because getting people inoculated and having them treated for these things means we don't have to pay out huge medical bills and people live and are productive citizens and everyone's happy.
So the whole big pharma side of it is really just kind of inaccurate because If they were just ghouls, they wouldn't give us this cure.
That's another thing about QAnon.
They're hiding the cures.
Well, they're not hiding vaccines from us, and you guys hate vaccines.
What are you going to do if they told you, we have a shot that cures cancer?
Are you going to take the cancer-curing shot?
What if they called it a cancer vaccine?
Would you take the cancer vaccine shot?
That'd be awesome.
That'd just be so awesome if that was what something that happened down the line where
these QAnon people had to put their money where their mouth was about the cures. Hi, my name is
says, I'm interested in all the ways the anti-vaxx movement was encouraged.
Who had money in making competing products?
And someone, wash your hands replies, Joseph Mercola to name one.
The thing is, is that Andrew Wakefield, he was actually pushed by a company that had a shot that only did one of the three measles, mumps, rubella vaccines.
There was a vaccine for one of those three problems and not all of them at once.
And so there was a bit of belief that Wakefield going hard at the MMR vaccine to discredit it and claim it caused autism was an effort to get its competitors vaccine to market so that they could offer the safe non-autism
vaccine, which seems like a plausible enough reason. I really haven't searched the
profit motives of the anti-vax movement that closely, so I'll just stick with Washer Hand's argument and
what I said.
Philip says, are your podcasts only available on SoundCloud?
At the moment, yes, because I'm a lazy slug.
I think I got them on Apple recently, though.
Someone told me, I think, that they were there.
I will have to check Apple.
You can check Apple also, I guess, if you want.
I'll try to get Spotify going soon also and the other places where you can download fine podcasts.
Is RFK Jr.
going to take down Fauci?
I can't see how he wouldn't.
He's obviously the man for the job, and Q-team will have him prepped up and ready to go.
Peace Weaver, who is a QAnon supporter, says, My biggest question is who made up the term anti-vax?
Not the vaccine skeptical.
It seems like pro-all-vax propaganda to polarize, attack, discredit anyone who dare question vaccines.
Why is it so wrong to ask about side effects?
In reality, everyone selectively vaccinates.
Well, that was a scathing mouthful.
Well, anti-vax was probably made up by people who were watching people who were anti-vaccination.
The problem is that the anti-vax movement, again as I said before, is not a movement that argues in good faith.
If you actually listen to this, I hope you do, bring forth your arguments for why vaccines are dangerous.
Let's have a discussion.
Let's have a meeting of the minds.
Let's see what's going on.
Put your cards on the table and I will be glad to tell you what I think.
Because, again, most of the arguments that I've seen from anti-vaxxers are very disingenuous and very much in bad faith.
If there is a good faith anti-vax argument to make, make it.
People will talk about the vaccine court, and that's a special kind of thing because the vaccine court's really there for the consumer more than it is for the company because it's really hard to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt.
And if you're not a very legally inclined person when it comes to dealing with a lawsuit based on an unavoidably unsafe product like vaccines, you're probably in for a quagmire.
So yeah, if you want to talk about the vaccine court, sure.
If you want to talk about anything else, sure.
Let's dance.
Let's have a party.
I'm always here for a discussion.
David says you are a fucking clown.
A national ID card to move around the country, in and out.
Fuck you!
Hashtag scumbag.
And a good day to you, sir.
And that concludes the questions section.
Thanks, David.
Hope you send me more questions to end things on a sparkling note, as it were.
It's 3.12 in the morning now, so I'm going to wrap this up.
I'll probably be back in a couple of days when I come up with a new topic.
Because I like talking to you folks.
I'm probably just going to give you guys a ridiculous vanity project where I just go on a tyrant about Money Heist and how fucking bad it is.
If you have had friends or loved ones make you watch Money Heist and you hated it, I'm here for you, and if you loved Money Heist, then get mad at me.
Let's have a fight.
Let's defend your terrible show.
That's basically it.
It's like the anti-vaxxers.
Defend the anti-vaxxers.
I want pro Money Heist people to defend this garbage show to me, because that'd be awesome.
I just want any justifications for the terrible nature of this terrible show.
Okay, I'll catch you all later.
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