Patriot HQ Podcast Episode 10- More Martin and My Days As a Redpilled Conspiracy Nut
This podcast cost me about 80 dollars in dumb overdraft fees (Thanks horrible bank!) so I got my money's worth. I go over Martin Geddes' new long form report on the nature of reality and then I delve into my past as a JFK conspiracy theorist and 9/11 truther and how I got blue pilled and became the doubtful normie I am today. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Hello everyone, Poe Grandpolitics here with another episode of Patriot HQ podcast or radio, as it were.
And today I wanted to talk about Martin Geddes doing another long form.
This one's called the Perception Problem.
How do you define reality with reality having little quotes around it?
And he begins as he always does by explaining that there's two and only two paradigms through which one can observe
reality.
One is that Donald Trump is the greatest human being ever and that everyone who opposes him is a monster.
Or that Donald Trump is a monster and everyone who opposes him is righteous and true.
There's no other competing narratives.
There's no other possible ways to exist.
He loves framing the world in this incredibly fat black-and-white way.
Now he declares that we have quote-unquote common ground on the Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself meme.
We don't because The reality of that meme is that if Epstein was murdered, it happened under the watch of Attorney General Barr, and thus it happened under the watch of Donald Trump.
Donald Trump either killed this man or allowed this man to be killed.
You can't have QAnon believing that Donald Trump is this nigh all-powerful messianic figure, and then Jeffrey Epstein is found dead in a prison that Donald Trump indirectly kind of runs and controls, and then say, oh, Epstein was killed.
That's a really bad thing.
I wonder who did it.
Oh, no.
Because if it was the Deep State who killed Epstein to silence him so he would not talk of their myriad of crimes, then that means that Trump and Q-Team have failed.
They didn't get the evidence.
And this is why, when Epstein was originally reported dead, that many in QAnon thought he was still alive.
That it was faked, that he was living in Mexico, or that he was at Guantanamo, and under lock and key, to be revealed later as a shocking twist.
And then when it came out that it was pretty obvious he was totally dead, they had to start spinning and twisting and changing the narrative.
And I'd heard things like the Patriots had him executed, that the Patriots let the Deep State kill him so they could then arrest the Deep State for killing him.
Because again, Q has everything on these people.
Has said for years that he has everything on these people.
Needed to toss in Epstein's murder as another conviction.
Another count of the convictions.
Convicting them of a hundred crimes was not enough.
Convicting them of murdering Epstein and getting it up to 101, that's the ticket.
That's what mattered.
So anyways, so he does this whole thing and then we get into the perception problem transcends traditional politics.
My purpose in writing this missive is to share my observations at the philosophical and media studies level.
He's going to impart his wisdom, his knowledge of the media, his understanding of the world around us.
And so he starts getting into this whole thing about what do we believe is true?
What are the things that are going on?
Do we agree on things like CO2 causes climate change?
Or are vaccines safe and effective?
Nice to see you dipping your toe into anti-vax, Martin.
Gotta build them numbers.
I swear, after I'm done with this podcast, I'm going to do a search of Martin's Twitter timeline and I'm going to see how many times he's used the word vaccine.
Before this week and after.
Because if he actually listened to me and decided to freak out and go anti-vaxx, that would be the funniest thing in the world.
I really don't recall him being anti-vaxx before this.
I'm sure he's done this kind of crank magnetism thing in the past.
But it would be just, oh man, it'd be side-splittingly funny if he actually listened to me and actually went anti-vax.
Because he's like, my metrics aren't good.
I'm not getting enough people.
This is not an impersonation of Martin Guinness.
This is just changing my voice so that I can tell you that I'm doing a different voice.
I have no idea what he sounds like.
I didn't watch the interview he did of that guy when he pontificated for an hour about the world.
So this is not mockery or derision of Martin's voice about threatening Martin.
Anyhow, so climate change denialism, anti-vax, and again, he does it in passing.
He's not even going to actually argue those things.
He's just going to put it out there.
He's like, is climate change real or a lie?
Are vaccines safer?
Do they cause autism?
Who knows?
On to QAnon.
That's what really matters.
But he's just throwing those little darts out there.
Those little darts to just give you a little pinprick into the deep state world and media at large and just make you think to yourself, hey, maybe there is something to vaccines.
Maybe there is something to climate change.
He just wants to try to pull on as many strings as he can and see if there's a string that he can pull that makes you buy into what he's saying.
Because if he can get you to buy into one thing, then the door is open for him to get you to buy into it all.
That's how this works.
That's literally how this kind of manipulation works.
So he brings up that and then it's just sort of blah blah blah.
And then he moves into the scaling assumption of belief.
Taking the above a little further, there are macro assumptions.
For instance, a common perspective is that the conspiracies don't scale.
That one whistleblower effect.
Hence the media articulates Large-scale conspiracies are mathematically impossible to
keep quiet.
There's a link if you click on the link you go to a actual Ars Technica article that explains how a large conspiracy
is actually impossible to keep quiet.
And he's right. This is true. You can't keep a large conspiracy quiet.
And then Martin starts lying. I know that's shocking but trust me.
And then he gets into a little thing about how whistleblowers get ignored,
the institutions of journalism justice can be compromised.
Here's the important thing that he's lying about that blows my mind because it is so
bold and audacious a lie. It doesn't even just just just thumbs you in the eye with it.
It's really amazing.
compartmentalization of knowledge means that most people involved operationally have no idea of
intent. Crime families and secret societies offer mechanisms to replicate and scale efforts.
Blackmail and extortion can keep secrets very effectively.
The problem with this idea is that when you talk about the deep state, when you talk about the
global satanic pedivore ring, It is a monolith.
There is no compartmentalization.
All of these people are eating babies.
All of these people are drinking adrenochrome.
All of these people worship Moloch.
All of these people are just horrible monsters and terrible human beings who all are in on it.
There's no compartmentalization.
Martin, I'm sure you're listening, so here's a question.
What is the compartmentalization between the Queen of England and Hillary Clinton?
What operational facts does the Queen of England not know that Hillary Clinton does know, and vice versa?
When, I mean, Seth Rich's murder.
Maybe the Queen wasn't in on that.
But you know the Queen and Hillary are grilling babies on a summer weekend.
I mean, you know that they're sharing tips on what kind of adrenochrome strains they like the best.
I mean, there's no compartmentalization of this crime because it is a global everything. These people, according to the Illuminati New
World Order conspiracy theory that this is all based off of, these people were
running both sides of World War II. What is the compartmentalization of that? I
mean, one side gins up the Nazis to start a fight, then the other
side gins up the rest of the world to fight the Nazis and the Japanese? Did one side
not know how...
Oh, one side doesn't know how to piss off Hitler to get him to attack everybody, and the other side knows how to start Pearl Harbor?
They're all working together.
They're all working together, and it's a giant plot.
And if you grabbed one person, you would be able to bring the whole thing down.
He said, uh, compartmentalization of knowledge means most people involved operationally have no idea of intent.
If you're kidnapping children for a party in Washington, D.C., and Hillary Clinton and the Democratic elites are having a party in Washington, D.C., not too hard to put two and two together.
And by the way, if you're committing kidnapping, you are committing a crime that is punishable by lifetime imprisonment.
You are already, like, really committing a serious felony that will put you in jail for life.
So if you're on that level of the crime, it doesn't really matter what you know.
You're probably going to be able to figure it out because you're in a lot of trouble if you go down.
And you probably understand that you're being paid handsomely by rich, powerful people to get these kids, and they want them scared for some reason, because the Atreidochrome is so sweet.
It's so silly.
So, no, there's no compartmentalization of this dumb conspiracy, because it's omnipresent, and it's monolithic, and it's everywhere.
Everyone that has ever run for president, except for St.
John Kennedy, St.
Ronnie of Reagan, and St.
Donald Trump, We're all in on it.
Everyone's in on it.
John McCain was in on it.
Everyone's there.
There's no way this thing can exist.
So there's no compartmentalization of your dumb conspiracy theory.
There is compartmentalization of other things.
You can do that.
You can have different sectors of a group or a company working on different projects and not knowing what the other one's doing.
But the deep state, they all know what they're doing.
They're all in on it together.
And then he basically just gets into this whole thing where he's very angry at people not accepting that these things are possible.
We'll get into that in a minute.
I found a different paragraph ahead of it.
So out of nowhere he decides that spiritual warfare is a thing.
Is it really?
Our desire to seek information is modified by what we perceive as being good.
To know, share our beliefs about what is good, quote brackets, hence, and hence bad, can be influenced then our concept of what real can be modified, of what is real can be modified.
This can be a source of deep division among about the nature of our shared experience.
If religion is upstream of culture, culture is upstream of politics.
Keep spinning them yarns.
Are views of the political political arena may be unconscious reflections of our deep
spiritual assumptions. These in turn may be quote-unquote inverted
what is loosely referred to as a satanic outlook or a Luciferian doctrine.
I am NOT an expert in these terms. Do your own research! Oh wow so I you click
on Luciferian Dr. Nealy takes you to an eight and a half minute video.
Luciferian Doctrine explained by Hans Wilhelm.
www.lifeexplained.com There are a lot of people mesmerized by conspiracy theories.
Their obsession and fascination is a reflection of some deep-seated negativity within.
But before we write off any of these theories as pure nonsense, I thought it might be a good idea to explore their origin, why they persist, and if there's any truth to them.
That's interesting.
It sounds a lot more open-minded than what I thought he would say.
I might look at that later.
That could be a later podcast.
But for now we're going to go back to Martin and the meat of his reporting, as it were.
And so he continues on talking and then he quotes the Sun Tzu.
Drink!
And after he gets into Sun Tzu, he talks about how that you or I can definitively discern the true meaning of any act from its surface appearance requires a lot of chutzpah.
It takes time to understand what is or was really going on, given how the historical context is always edited to favor the victors and true history can be hoarded.
We may never be afforded an actual personal perspective of events during our lifetime.
Fair enough.
Way to go.
Okay, cool.
Intrigue is complex and confusing by design.
Adding an extra dimension to the above, the present day feels like inhabiting a rather extreme thriller novel with a bizarrely twisted plot.
No, that's QAnon.
The reality that you're living in is the boring, mundane, workaday life we all live.
QAnon is the crazy fan fiction you've created to make all of that much more exciting and dynamic.
The roles of characters as villains, heroes, or victims seems to shift as the story unfolds.
Whether someone is a white hat, black hat, grey hat, or red hat may be unclear.
No, these people don't really exist.
There's just people.
Everyone's kind of gray.
I mean, I think there are people who are actual criminals doing actually criminal things and those people are like bad guys, but most political actors on some level or another believe in what they're doing and they think it's forward and that's really all there is to it. I don't think
people like Paul Ryan or even Mitch McConnell, I mean I think these people are
just furthering their own agendas, they're helping themselves out as best they
can, they're making a buck but they're also doing what they think is a right
thing to do and so it's wrong and bad in my view but that's about it. I mean I
think Trump's a criminal, I think Trump, and I think also more importantly
that Trump thinks everybody's a criminal. I think that the adage that
everyone judges their heart by their own is true and I think that Trump believes that
everyone is as guilty as he is and that's why he's so appalled by what's
happening right now because he looks at all of his enemies and he thinks they're
all crooks and he's just like you're all crooks, I'm a crook, I don't get
why I'm getting this like this unfair treatment because everyone does what
I do, everyone's as bad as I am and I don't get it.
So I mean that's reality.
The reality is that we're just like people doing our people things, living our people lives.
The fact that Martin and QAnon have to put everyone in these labels.
Oh, a white hat's a good guy.
A black hat's a bad guy.
A grey hat is something that we really don't talk about because grey isn't a thing that exists in QAnon.
And red hats are a weird new term we came up with that means that there's someone who's being blackmailed by one side or the other.
That's cool.
Great.
So, um...
After that kind of thing, we get into more Satanism.
Occultism and esoteric knowledge exists.
We are taught in school about the exoteric, shared knowledge aspect of our society.
This data can be seen in our legal system, scientific understanding, or historical narratives.
There is also an esoteric knowledge that is not public realm.
An example might be the statecraft of creating an assassin.
For both better or worse, occult beliefs and institutions also objectively exist.
The balance of exoteric to esoteric knowledge may be available by its nature difficult to know.
The assumption that reality can be understood through exoteric knowledge alone is just that, an assumption.
Those who have endeavored to uncover esoteric understanding may be worthy of some extra attention and respect.
Again, I really don't understand what he's poking at here, because what does the occult and Satan have to do with making someone into an assassin?
You can believe in non-mainstream religions and be very peaceful and be very mundane.
You're not someone who's just training assassins up to go after your enemies.
By the same token, if you are a Christian, you absolutely can gin people up to the point where they will bomb abortion clinics and shoot abortion doctors.
Timothy McVeigh was a Christian who blew up the Oklahoma City building.
So, I mean, it's not like the idea of A cult or an offshoot non-mainstream religion is a bad thing, and mainstream religions are good things.
So, again, he's just trying to slander Satanism and Luciferianism because that's what his audience hates, and he's letting them know that the bad guys they hate worship the bad religion they hate.
It's just confirmation bias.
It's just all of these desperate attempts to make sure that the other is hated properly.
Operation is not intention.
In my telecoms work, a major fallacy surfaced with net neutrality where activists have falsely assumed that operational network performance is intentional and thus deviations for specific users and applications can be defined as throttling.
This is untrue.
It is impossible in principle and practice to reverse out the intention of the operation in a system with emergent characteristics.
Okay, you're losing me, Martin.
Bring me back in.
This insight also applies more wildly to hiring or firing of a particular player in the political realm as an operational fact, but the true intention behind it cannot be known with certainty.
Only the passage of time can help us to eliminate intentional hypotheses that do not align with the unfolding operational narrative reality.
Absolute statements of good or bad intent quote-unquote withdraw troops from Syria because cause could be a reason
example there are other naive and premature unless one of the she's
wider strategic context and methods our Operational reality and intentional reality are distinct
things Exclamation point what constitutes a fact is not based on
the same evidence and logic for these I think he's trying to say that firing Jeff Sessions doesn't
mean that Donald Trump hates Jeff Sessions and that
Donald Trump's moves on the chessboard are inscrutably geniuses moves that are carefully calculated to
meet his enemies and to bring victory for the Patriots and doom and death to the deep state
All that happy horse shit, as it were.
So, yeah.
Trust Sessions.
Keep trusting him.
Legibility of symbols and semantics.
I have no idea what that word is.
Martin's best at my vocabulary.
Semiotics.
Our world is filled with icons, brands, and symbols.
They can have multiple and complex meanings, and some of those meanings may not be widely understood in the media world.
What is the meaning of someone covering one eye?
New World Order.
In the architectural world, what is the meaning of an obelisk?
New World Order.
In the commercial world, what is the meaning of a logo based on a swoosh?
The New World Order.
It's not hard.
Everything leads to Satan.
Everything leads to the New World Order.
Everything is evil and bad.
Anything you see in this world is evil and bad.
Be scared.
Be afraid.
Trust that Donald Trump will save you.
Trust Trump.
Trust the plan.
Trust yourself.
But don't question any of those things.
Q.
Our sense of what is real depends on us having a shared understanding of these symbols and for them to be legible.
The assumption that we are taught all we need to know to read the world is a very limiting one.
Oh, you can read the real world all you want!
Go to a vigilant citizen dot org or dot com, whatever they go by now.
Read that website and you'll find out that everything's evil!
This is the New World Order.
This has been going on for over two decades now.
This is stuff that I was reading about in high school.
This is hilarious.
It's so crazy that a guy on the internet, some anonymous troll, Spun the New World Order again and just said, oh yeah, by the way, Donald Trump's the hero.
And everyone was like, we're in.
We're totally in.
All we ever wanted was for a really senile old man to be the hero in the New World Order story.
And oh God, it's so beautiful.
Let me soak in it.
I want to just stand under a waterfall of it.
Just have it wash over me.
Oh, it's so refreshing and beautiful.
I love it.
This is the last section that I read.
It says, "'Sophilism' is not a logical argument.
A phrase I often hear is, I cannot imagine that.
This is a statement about the limits of the speaker's imagination, not of the reality of the world.
To confuse these is a Sophilism, i.e., to suggest that all that exists is what I can imagine, and nothing more, nothing less."
Martin loves using big, pretty, expensive words.
And again, he's just reiterating the fact that the Deep State is so unbelievably evil that people can't imagine the level of evil they're capable of committing.
Blah, blah, blah.
They're really bad.
You should hate them.
Hate the Deep State.
The Deep State is bad.
Boo the Deep State.
Boo, boo, boo, boo.
Okay, we have booed the Deep State.
The two minutes of hate.
Okay, so now we're into the new stuff that I have not read yet.
And I gotta say, I'm pretty scared about where my mouse scroll bar is right now.
There is a lot more meat to this, it looks like.
I know the bottom of it is this Patreon begging, of which I'm a total beggar myself, so total!
Poker and politics is a massive hypocrite, oh yeah!
I need money.
Anyways, conceptual universe size matters.
One of the ideas that I have inherited from my computer science work is the universe of discourse.
For instance, we might have an unconscious assumption that reality is a thing, bound to that which largely happens on the surface of this planet and involves homo sapien humans.
But if we add deep underground military bases, a secret military program, and human cloning, then different perspectives open up as to what is real.
Well, guess what isn't real?
The deep underground military bases, the secret space program, and the human cloning.
Those things are not real.
Don't really have to worry about those things.
So yeah, take them off the chart.
Don't have to worry about them.
They're not there.
So yeah, we don't really have to expand real into not real, as it were.
We don't have to expand real into fantasy.
This isn't like one of those things where literally ends up being defined as figuratively in the dictionary and we've destroyed the meaning of the word outright.
Anyhow, throw in the radical idea that we live in a busy galactic neighborhood together with interstellar travel, and the potential size of reality grows almost incomprehensibly.
These things may or may not exist in actuality, but the consideration I'm a storyteller.
If you want to imagine crazy things, that doesn't make other crazy things real.
It just means that you're imagining crazy things.
That's cool.
Having an imagination is fun.
There's a million characters to live in my head.
I'm a storyteller. I love stories.
Let's tell a story, Martin.
Martin.
DM me.
We'll bang out a script by Friday.
It'll be awesome.
I'll be the hard-nosed skeptic.
You'll be the just impassioned believer.
It'll be like the X-Files, only it'll be that I'm right and you're wrong this time.
Unlike Muller and Scully where he was right because he was crazy and she was grounded and just wrong.
Assumption of competence is a social requirement at dinner parties, especially in more educated circles, to have an opinion on pretty much everything.
and informed makes us competent to form opinions on very complex matters.
In reality, we borrow most of our opinions from official narratives,
since we are too lazy or under-resourced to go back to the source data
and think through everything ourselves.
What is real is that which avoids ridicule and ostracism because authority has told us it is real.
This is Martin saying that because I believe in QAnon and I know QAnon is real,
I have been ostracized by polite society, and this makes me very mad,
because you people are wrong and I am right and Q is real, and one day I will be vindicated. I will be gloriously vindicated.
Oh, how you will all bend the knee to me when the day of judgment rains down.
You will know my glory.
I, Martin Geddes, will stand astride the world as a god.
That's what this is.
This is just Martin being very angry at where he is in the world and where he was in the world.
And he's happy with his new audience, but he wants respect.
He wants credibility.
He wants to be seen and acknowledged as a great man.
And if he's right, you'll get it.
But you'll only get it from the other people that have destroyed America with him because the criminality side of QAnon is not possible.
The military junta side of QAnon is terrifying.
Frequentists and Foundationalists Assumptions.
I have no idea if frequentist is a real word or not, but good on you, Martin.
Just break the English language to your will.
Our beliefs about reality are rooted in deep and often unconscious biases.
Really?
We're biased about things?
No!
Around how we relate to new information that clashes with what we know is real.
We assume that the future is like the past, or not, and there are only few or many possible interpretations of what is going on.
The end of history illusion can trap us all into thinking the present moment is unduly special.
Conversely, we may miss out on changing of the ages as cycles of cycles come to an end.
It takes a great deal of inner work and learning conversations to surface these biases and to make them conscious.
If you want to have a learning conversation, you can unblock me.
We can talk.
I feel like, again, he's building up to the big thing that, like, oh yeah, by the way, everyone's going to go to jail very soon and Donald Trump will be vindicated and it's going to be great.
Anyhow.
Oh, here we go!
Oh, the patronizing!
The glorious patronizing that's coming.
Just looking at the headline of this series of paragraphs here, this sub-headline, I should say, of the article.
Have respect for others and adopt a learning outlook.
I really, I can't wait for Martin to tell us that, like, when the storm hits, that it's time to be comforting, consolidating, to the, consoling to those who were led astray by the monstrous, evil, global pandemic.
This list is just a small selection of the possible ways we could misread reality.
Many books have been written on this topic.
psychological. Because of this, there has to be a real scope for accepting the legitimacy
of opposing beliefs about what is real. It respects our individual competence and contribution in
making sense of the world. To insist on unilateral consensus risks dehumanizing and pathologizing
the dissenting other. This is from a group of people who want to murder all of their enemies.
That, hey, don't be mean to people with opposing viewpoints.
Be cool.
We don't want to insult the other.
That would be mean.
Yeah, you got it, buddy.
No problem.
Okay.
Since it wrongly believes that we have nothing to learn from others, mistakes then lead to a shirk of the conscience from overestimating our ability to discern moral affairs.
Conversely, Boy, I can't wait for Martin to learn that lesson!
for its own sake is unhealthy. There is value in the synthesis of a consensus reality, since
it enables shared understanding and collaborative activity.
The first step towards synthesis is to abandon the desire to overpower the other with one's
views and voice." Boy, I can't wait for Martin to learn that lesson. Oh my God.
Listen carefully to their perspective of reality, since there may be something to learn, however
crazy they are. Again, this is Martin just pleading, hear me out.
Please hear me out!
I'm right about this!
You know, if you want us to hear you out, Martin, why don't you post those 500 cube proofs on one of your articles and let us go through them and see how ironclad they are, how Absolutely sparkling there.
And this actually ends the article, shockingly.
There's way more scrolliness than I thought was going to be here.
The bottom of this thing says, I am taking a break from offering telecoms consulting services to focus on other projects, but you can still read more about me at Martin Geddes.
With a dot between the GEDD and the ES, I am open to interesting offers of collaboration.
I should send him a message.
I want to collaborate with him.
I want to write a novel.
Let's, me and Martin, bang out a novel.
That'd be great.
That'd be so interesting.
I'd love to hear how his mind works.
Because he's just such an odd duck.
He's such an interesting dude.
I really, I really do feel that way about this guy.
I mean, to just be this deep I'm totally all in convinced about QAnon when there's just nothing there.
There's no meat on that bone.
And I was there.
I lived this life in the 1990s and 9-11.
I was there.
When I was in high school, I was the world's biggest JFK assassination conspiracy theorist.
I was just totally obsessed with that stuff.
I read all the books.
I read Crossfire.
I watched the Men Who Killed Kennedy specials.
Every special that was on television, I watched it.
There was a trial between two big lawyers.
I think Vincent Bugliosi was the prosecutor and this folksy older guy who's written a lot of books.
He was the defense attorney.
They had a trial for Lee Harvey Oswald.
Oswald was found guilty of killing Kennedy.
I was very unimpressed with the defense witnesses they called.
It was, but I mean, I lived that stuff.
I breathed that stuff in.
It just sunk into the very fiber of my being.
And when 9-11 happened...
Totally all in.
Hook, line, and sinker.
They put in the explosives.
They blew the buildings up.
Bush was in on it.
I never actually listened to Alex Jones, but I was totally bro-fisting Alex Jones when I saw him on TV screaming and yelling.
I was like, you get him, Alex!
You're totally right about this!
And then Alex found out that being a right-wing grifter made a lot more money than being just a total kook.
And he settled into his grifting niche.
And it was at this moment that one of my friends on the internet, a nice enough guy, who hilariously is probably one of the people I've had the least amount of humorous conversations with in my entire life, and now he's an aspiring stand-up comedian, which is hilarious.
And I was talking to him and I just made some offhanded remark about how 9-11 was obviously a conspiracy.
He was like, no it isn't, you idiot.
Don't say things like that.
You're stupid.
You're making yourself look bad.
And I got angry.
I was like, and my hackles were up.
And I was just like, you don't know what you're talking about, man.
But I kind of dropped it because I just thought to myself, wow, that's really weird.
This guy just accepts the mainstream media story.
He just, He's a blue-billed normie.
If I had known those pejoratives to throw at him back then, I would have called him a blue-billed normie.
I would have been like, you're this dumb idiot who hasn't seen loose change.
And you don't know the truth.
You just don't know the real knowledge.
You don't know the hidden information.
And after that happened, it was really shocking to me that, like, you could
just not believe in the conspiracy theory.
I didn't really even think that was, like, the default setting that a person could have.
And it was very eye-opening to me that, like, that was a thing that could be real.
And then I started looking into 9-11 more and more, and the more I looked into it, it was, like, pretty obvious that it was planes being thrown in the buildings, and that's just what happened.
And the conspiracy theories got wilder and wilder.
There were no planes involved.
that like the shot, this is my favorite, this was the thing that really aggressively blue pilled me
was there was this big conspiracy about how all the media was controlled such that we was like only one camera,
like only one big broadcast of the second plane hitting the World Trade Center.
And this is how they managed to fake us out and not actually throw a plane into that building.
And I thought to myself, you know, there were like tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers watching the burning World Trade Center building Just freaking out that a plane had hit it and they were just like, wow, this is so messed up.
And they all in real time with their own eyes saw the second plane hit the second tower.
And I think they would have known something was up.
And that's the thing is that these conspiracy theories, they always go over the top.
You always have these people that just go too far and make themselves look like idiots.
I read a book about how the entire Zapruder film was faked.
Just absolutely whole cloth.
None of the Zapruder film was real.
And it was just like a figment of your imagination basically.
And there's so much Video evidence beyond the Zapruder film that validates the Zapruder film.
It made my head hurt.
There was another conspiracy theorist.
I think his name was Lifton.
I'm not sure if I've got that right or not.
There's a photo.
It's called the Badge Man photo.
And the reason why it's called the Badge Man photo is because there's these shadows that are spilling over the section of the grassy knoll.
And if you look at the shadows in the right way, which is to say that you're a human being who discerns patterns, you can kind of make out that the shadow has hair on the top, that there's a face and you can kind of make out that the arms are holding a gun up to the face and there's a big flash of light and that's the flash of the gun and uh there's a little flash of light in what would be the chest area of the man and uh that is what they call the uh then they call that the badge because they're saying that this guy
Who was the grassy knoll shooter?
Was a cop.
Was wearing a cop uniform.
And he shot Kennedy while wearing a cop uniform.
In this photo you can see the badge.
If you google search badge man JFK assassination, I'm sure it'll pop up.
And again, this is deep into the Leeds Kennedy assassination nonsense.
Which was my entire high school life, pretty much.
This Lifton guy went so far as after he found Badge Man, he was finding all these other people in the Grassy Knoll.
He found one guy with a Kaiser helmet from World War I that had a spike on the top of it.
And he had this outline of this guy with a spike on it.
And it's like, I think someone would have noticed Spiked Helmet JFK Assassination Dude hanging out on the Grassy Knoll probably would have caught that.
So yeah, no, hard pass on the World War I German helmet-wearing guy being in on the plot to kill the president.
And this is the thing is that you just you see how this kind of stuff happens and how people just go too far and it ruins the people who try to make real points about these things.
And I mean to this day I won't I'll argue both sides of the Kennedy assassination.
If you want to tell me Oswald did it, I'll shrug.
If you want to tell me it was a conspiracy, I'll shrug.
I have no problem with either belief system, because I believe there's an incredible amount of evidence on both sides.
And I also honestly believe, given the nature of the evidence, as it was presented at the time of, in 1963, during the assassination of Kennedy, if Leader Harvey Oswald had gone to trial After the assassination that it would have been one hell of a very interesting trial because the main thing and I'm sorry I'm so diverted from what I was talking about previously and if you click off now I have I completely accept it this is just me really spitballing and just going off on a stemwinder here but um one of the most interesting things in the Kennedy assassination vis-a-vis the team conspiracy side go team conspiracy you could do it um
Is that Kennedy was autopsied by people that were so grossly underqualified to handle the autopsy of the assassinated President of the United States that it's like really kind of appalling like if You are the most, like, diehard defender of Oswald acting alone.
No one did anything untoward.
It was just one kook with a gun who happened to catch the Secret Service off guard in a terrible moment and inflicted a tragedy upon America that the nation will never truly heal from.
Even if you believe all of that, which is again, a completely valid viewpoint to have,
you have to be incredibly pissed off at the autopsy that Kennedy got because they take
his body out of Parkland Hospital and like, again, I'm so going on this stem point here,
I apologize so much, but this is, again, this is, this is my jam.
You're seeing poker and politics go in conspiracy, go in red pill, go in deep into the weeds of this kind of stuff.
I can do a Kennedy podcast once a week for a year and not fail to entertain myself.
I might start repeating myself a lot, but it'll be really fun for me.
But anyways, The legitimate reason that Lyndon Johnson and everyone got
Kennedy's body out of Parkland Hospital and on to Air Force One and back to Washington, D.C.
was the fact that Jackie Kennedy would not leave without his body.
And they did not want to abandon her at Parkland Hospital and fly back to D.C. without her
because they thought that would look incredibly callous and incredibly soulless.
But this woman just had her husband brutally murdered in front of her.
She is literally covered in his blood.
And we're going to say, yeah, Jackie, that sucks, but we're going to get out of here
because we've got to run the country.
So you hang out at this hospital while your husband's getting autopsied and we'll check in with you in a few days.
We'll catch you later.
We'll catch you later, sister.
Be strong.
So Lyndon Johnson's like, we've I'm not going to be seen as the new president assuming office having abandoned the old president's widow who again is covered in his blood to her own devices.
So they break Texas state law and take the body out of Parkland and then they get it on the air they get it on the plane they fly it back to DC and while they're doing this They're like, well, we do need to autopsy him because his body is literally evidence in his murder.
So we've got to do something to try to, uh, expedite that process.
So they take him to, I believe it's Bethesda Naval Hospital.
Um, and they have people who are completely unskilled at handling, uh, uh, forensic autopsies, uh, and gunshot wounds in general, uh, handling the autopsy and, What happens, and this is one of the massive things that conspiracy theorists poke all kinds of holes in, there's this huge discrepancy about the nature of his brain.
The brain was never sectioned off.
They said the brain weighed about the same as a normal human brain, when obviously a vast quantity of the brain was damaged or destroyed, so that doesn't seem to be very accurate.
So on, so on, so forth.
But now, the big thing that these doctors were adamant about was that uh the entry wound in the Kennedy's head was right at the base of where the skull meets the neck as it were just like that little like basically the hairline or around there like that section of the of the skull was where the bullet hit Kennedy and then exited out the right side of his head to kill him
And they all said that this was the case.
And you'll find drawings of a very double, practically like his head's at a 90 degree angle
from his neck, very doubled over, bent over Kennedy, explaining how the head wound worked.
The problem was that when the Zapruder film became public knowledge,
it is very obvious that Kennedy is upright.
He's very much upright.
His hands are at his neck, having been shot through the neck,
and he's very straight, and then his head explodes.
So you cannot have Oswald 60 feet up in the air in the Texas School Book Depository
firing a bullet that hits Kennedy low skull near the neck, and then that bullet somehow exits upwards
through the side of his head and blows out those brains.
So, you have this really incongruous wound in his head, and the House Select Committee on Assassinations that was formed in the 1970s after the Shakur film got released and started the giant kerfuffle that made the American public demand that they run the House Select Committee on Assassinations to get to the bottom of this whole thing.
The House Select Committee on Assassinations, against the objections of all three The House Elect Committee on Assassinations moved that wound four inches up to basically midline, top of the head to give it the proper angle for Oswald to have hit Kennedy in the back of the head and blown out the right side of his skull.
and they consulted x-rays, they did all kinds of other things. They found a justification for why
they did what they did. And now again, four inches might not sound like a lot, but think of the size
of your head. Think about the fact that these doctors were looking at the body of John F. Kennedy
And he's not moving.
He's dead.
So they know what they saw.
And they say, yeah, the wound was there.
And this investigation committee was like, oh, no, no, no.
We're just going to move that wound up.
We're going to move that wound up four inches.
That'll fit our theory a little bit better.
So, I mean, if you stick to that original wound placement, convicting Lee Harvey Oswald becomes a real sticky wicket.
But hey, again, it's a mess.
It's a quagmire.
There's no solution.
there's no good answers. Then there's breaks. But that was poker and politics, conspiracy-minded,
teenager, angsty, angry, grumpy guy doing his thing. And then I just got blue-pilled.
I just got pulled in by reality.
I read Case Closed, which was a pretty strong book, but said Oswald acted alone.
And I read all the 9-11 stuff that I could and got blue-pilled.
I got out of the conspiracy world and into the reality world.
And that pretty much was what that moment when I switched from one side to the other is really what conspiracy theories the rest of my life was just like, I
got into that stuff once, why did I get into it, who are the people that get into it, and
why do they stay with it?
And so that's why I'm on Twitter, that's why I'm doing this, that's my reason, it's my
existence.
So, if you made it all the way through this, I commend you.
I appreciate you.
Thank you so much for this incredibly long-winded podcast of mine.
And the next one will probably be 15 minutes or less, or your money back.
