Art Bell pivots from guest Charles Osman to open lines after the December 2, 2015, San Bernardino shooting—14 dead by suspects linked to ISIS propaganda, including Syed Farouk, a devout Muslim health technician. Police killed two attackers in Redlands; a third may have fled. Bell dismisses gun debates as distractions, warning ISIS’s caliphate in Syria risks WWIII amid NATO-Russia tensions and Britain’s vote to bomb the region. Callers clash: retired NYPD officer John In New York pushes armed security, while experts like Dr. John Liebert debate mental illness vs. ideological motives, noting cultural factors like homogeneity in Japan or lack of social support in the U.S. may influence violence. Bell insists decisive action is needed before ISIS’s global conflict escalates further. [Automatically generated summary]
We don't know how, you know, we don't know how some may die.
Some may recover, hopefully.
It looked as though these guys were on a mission.
Well, retraction.
One guy, one girl, and maybe a third.
Hours later, I mean, they just went in with AR-type rifles.
First, they said, oh, earlier in the day was AK-47, right?
Then later in the day, it changed to weapon.
Hours later, people, police rather, hunting for the killers riddled a black SUV.
You may have seen that happen just, but not live, actually.
Cameras came on it to see the bullet holes in the body lying on the ground.
With gunfire and a shootout, two miles from the late morning carnage, a man and woman with assault rifles, handguns, and assault-style clothing were killed.
They were in the vehicle.
It may well be that a third ran.
They're still trying to figure that out.
They don't even know if a third person had anything to do with the crime.
There may only be two.
Either way, CNN is not been naming anybody.
I'm not going to be that careful because the Associated Press is.
And so I'm not afraid to quote them.
The latest on the mass shooting at a social services facility in San Bernardino, California, all time local 740 is when this ran on the Associated Press.
A law enforcement official has identified Syed Farouk as one of the suspects in a mass shooting in Southern California.
The official who was briefed on the case was not authorized to speak to the media about the ongoing investigation, but spoke to the AP, I guess, on condition, of course, of anonymity.
Police say two suspects, a man and a woman, were killed in a gun battle.
Well, I've already said this.
Now, I've got some additional information that my producer quickly dug up.
And this is so that I'm crediting properly here, New York Daily News exclusive, they say.
Apparently, this Syed Farouk has a dad, said Syed is 30.
He now knows, of course, he was linked to the slaughter that left 14 dead at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino.
His father was shocked to learn of his son's possible involvement in the attack.
He said, I haven't heard anything.
The elder Farouk told the Daily News he was very religious.
He would go to work, come home, pray, come back.
He's Muslim.
The shell-shocked dad said his son worked as a health technician inspecting restaurants and hotels, graduated from La Sierra High School in 2003.
After police announced the two suspects, male and female, were dead following the car chase with shootout, into shootout, rather, with the police.
The FBI began a search of the nearby Redlands apartment linked to the younger Baruch's family.
So this is a fluid, ongoing story.
Very, very fluid.
Changing by the minute.
But clearly, this is a Muslim who was involved.
And so I think now you can, you know, nobody likes to racially profile.
But, you know, it looks pretty clear to me.
Now, CNN was doing a good job of coverage.
I've got to give them credit today.
And I, you know, sort of trash them a lot on the air, but I watch them a lot.
I think they're the most in-middle to watch.
And so I did watch Their coverage, and it was credible.
As far as I know, they probably still have not named one of the dead suspects.
But knowing that name and knowing then his history, or a little bit of history, that we could sort of scratch up on him, I think, you know, you hate to jump to conclusions, but this would appear to be a Paris-type attack, except in California, right?
This would be the most dead since they killed the kids, right?
Sandy Hook.
And it would be the worst terrorist attack since 9-11, right?
So at this hour, there's no way of knowing, you know, if what is suggested here by the man's name and the style of the attack, you know, the military garb, the high-powered ARs, the pipe bombs.
They went through it pretty carefully on CNN and one person after another, except for one young lady who said she didn't care if she was wrong, said it's terrorism.
International terrorism.
And now it kind of looks that way.
You know, you can't know until you know absolutely, but boy, it sure looks that way to me.
So I guess I want to talk to you a little bit about this and see what you think.
Now it's come to America.
What is terrorism?
Well, in this case, it was shooting a bunch of people who were just needing to do a little bit of good, right?
You know, it was a center for the disabled, right?
So it's not exactly, it's just simply a soft target.
That's how they come for us.
Soft targets.
And boy, baby, we're soft.
I'm sorry, but it's true.
I credit the police, the FBI, everybody who's down there doing their job.
They are doing a great job.
And two of the suspects, if it's only two, are dead.
That's good.
But this is terrorism now in America.
This means you could walk into a supermarket.
You could go to a crowded get-together football game, whatever.
And if this has now come here, and it probably has, I'm not saying definitely, but it's sure looking that way to me, I think there are a lot of things we could talk about tonight, like what you think we ought to do, for example.
So far, our role in what's going on in Syria, you know, in the middle of the caliphate, so-called, so-claimed caliphate, it's not much.
I mean, we're bombing.
And oh, by the way, the British just announced that as of at least tomorrow, a vote, I think it was in Parliament over there, 397 to 223, they will begin bombing in Syria as well.
So now we'll have British jets over Syria, along with the French jets, the Russian jets, and the American jets.
So that whole thing is going to get even more dangerous.
But now we've got another problem.
Now, if this is what it looks like it might be, I think it's time that we decide what we're going to do.
This is now, it's about the homeland, right?
It's about our homeland.
So I don't think that what we're doing, we have a few special forces troops on the ground, and they spot targets and stuff like that.
And maybe now a few more will be more in a fighting mode.
But our president is very, very, very, very, very hesitant to send people on the ground in Syria.
And I do get it, you know.
Dangerous as hell, right?
However, this is the homeland.
I've sort of lived in a little personal terror for, I don't know, a while now.
People doing stuff, firing rifle rounds off, threatening phone calls, you know, just someone out there outside, immediately outside my window.
That's terror.
So I know how it feels.
And if this kind of thing continues, everybody's going to feel it.
This would be a different situation.
This is, well, since 9-11, which was a horrible, surreal event.
But I don't know, somehow this is more personal.
If that's what this is, is terrorism.
It's way more personal.
I mean, it doesn't matter.
Think about it.
What do you do?
You go to football games occasionally?
You get into crowds every now and then?
Do you go to the grocery store?
This is in San Bernardino, it just happened, right?
So, again, I'm not saying absolutely what it is or isn't.
I read you the name of the suspect.
And every guy they had on CNN who was from the FBI, you know, usually they're retired FBI guys, right?
Because the ones currently working for the FBI can't really comment.
They're not allowed to.
But the retired guys said, oh, boy, does this look like terrorism.
When you have these kind of FBI assets deployed, this sort of number, yeah, this is probably terrorism.
And now that we know the suspect's name, Syed Farouk, we know from his father that he was very, very religious, hadn't seen him much lately.
I guess he's a recent divorced guy.
But that's just a description of who probably did this, the suspect who killed these people.
The reason he killed them is because of the propaganda coming out of, I should say possibly, and I mean that, coming out of Syria, the propaganda to just begin to go out and kill, go to places and take a high-powered rifle and kill.
So I thought earlier tonight, after all of this and after learning what I have now learned, that it would be kind of, I really wanted to talk to Charles Ossman, but it just seemed not the right thing to do.
And every now and then I do this, when something comes along like this, and I'm telling you, if it's what it is, this is really, really, really big.
Because all of you out there are going to have to embrace the possibility that the war has come to our shore now in this manifestation of just walking in and killing at random, getting as many dead as you can.
I wonder what they were doing, remaining in the car, remaining close by.
That's a mystery.
What they may have been going to do is to hit another place, you know, before they encountered the police.
Well, it didn't work out, thankfully, that way for them.
But that's a working theory.
Nobody knows about this for sure.
But I've told you to this hour what I can tell you.
And now I will ask you what you think we should do.
Are you satisfied with the few airstrikes we've been conducting?
How many of these will have to happen before you decide that there is going to have to be massive action?
They've been predicting this now for, boy, a long time.
On the networks, all the talking heads have been predicting.
We're really surprised it has not yet come to the U.S. Well, now it has.
Here it is on our soil again, but this time, again, I say it's different.
Horrible as the 9-11 disaster was, this is a different kind of terrorism.
This random killing.
And I guess in a sense, that too was random, right?
But expect it now.
Grocery stores, you know, places where people meet?
Happened in Paris.
It sure happened here.
So anyway, here come the numbers.
I'm going to give you all the numbers.
Anybody is welcome to call in any way they can get in.
The national number is area code 952-225-5278.
Once again, that's area code 952-225-5278.
Are you writing that down?
The first time caller line is area code 775-285-5800.
775-285-5800.
You may also use the Roswell entrance point.
That would be area code 575-208-7787.
I've got to have Ross do more work.
Again, the special event line that I'll open for all of you, 575-208-7787.
Skype, of course.
Here's the way it works.
If you've got a smart device of some sort, doesn't matter, Apple, Android, whatever, download Skype.
When you get Skype, Skype is free, right?
Go to your store and get it.
It's free.
And then when you do, you'll learn how to add people.
A little plus sign when you go into Skype once you become familiar with it a little bit.
And what's cool is this.
After you've downloaded Skype, you can add us.
If you're in North America, we are MITD51.
It doesn't matter.
Uppercase, lowercase.
M-I-T-D-5-1.
Outside the U.S. You know, it would be very, very interesting to hear from outside the United States tonight.
Come to think of it.
I guess they might want to comment on this kind of terrorism now apparently or seemingly arriving here in the U.S. right here in my backyard, I might say.
I mean, for me, it's just over the hill.
San Bernardino is just over the hill.
So it's close.
Anyway, if you're elsewhere in the world and would like to comment on what has happened thus far, we are at MITD 55.
That's midnight in the desert 5-5.
So that's what we're going to do tonight.
We're going to comment on the world situation.
Both what's going on in San Bernardino, unfortunately, and what's going on in Syria.
We'll talk about all of it.
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We'll talk about all of it.
bungalow.
Midnight in the Desert doesn't screen calls.
We trust you, but remember, the NSA well, you know.
All right, and since this is a special night, one more time, I'm going to remind you we have every line is full here, so still, we don't ever give these numbers.
So our first time caller line, even though I just gave it, I want to give it again, it'd be a way to get through area code 77285-5800 or the Roswell entry point.
Area code 575-208-7787.
And of course, by Skype.
And again, I would like to hear what people outside the country have to say.
It looks as though, in my opinion, it looks as though we have just experienced our first terror attack of this kind.
You know, the go in and kill as many people as you can type deal, and then get ready to give up your own life.
A few things about this incident that are strange.
Hey, I just wanted to mention, you know, a couple of the analysts on CNN said that this Farid's Saeed Farouk was at the banquet, and something happened at the banquet, and he was disgruntled and left and came back.
And I just, so a bunch of them, or several of the analysts, thought that it may have been a combination of both, that something upset him, he was disgruntled, and then he was so close to jihad anyway that it just pushed him over the edge.
I had NBC going too, and NBC was way out front on a couple of things.
But yeah, I thought they were pretty good.
I did want to make one other comment, and that's the tendency to do this real motto, we should send a bunch of troops.
I think there's a reason why they attacked Russia, France, and the United States.
They're trying to get their recruiting up.
And the more it's the world against them, their recruiting goes way up.
And so I just think with the presidential hopefuls who are out there talking about this stuff, it's really easy to slip into that macho, you know, we should send down the thunder.
But you know, some I wonder if there, you know, there was some way that it could be more of a, you could communicate the message that it's not religious, it's not in their faith to do that sort of thing.
It is, and my other lines, happy to give them to you.
We are in open lines right now.
So if you're a first-time caller to the program, area code 775-285-5800.
If you want to come through Roswell, it's area code 575-208-7787.
Skype?
Yes, indeed.
MITD 51 and or MITD55 if you're outside of North America.
And I really do want to hear from the rest of the world and what they think of the fact that apparently or seemingly or possibly, highly possibly, the same kind of terrorism that the world has been enduring, most recently in Paris, now is here.
So we can talk about that.
We can talk, if you wish, about Syria because that's where all of this is coming from, right?
It's being encouraged from Syria.
The radical Muslims out there are getting the message out, and it's being received.
Obviously, it got received in Paris.
And apparently, or may have been received here.
So we have this as a beginning.
And what's going on in Syria, I want to talk to you about that too, because, and again, the British are about to start bombing, because I'm telling you, World War III can start there.
And oh, by the way, the very center of ISIS's ideology is to bring about the end of the world.
That's what they want, the end of the world.
They want it to end.
They want to be the agents that brings the end of the world.
If you're on a no-fly list, then hell no, you shouldn't be able to buy a gun.
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Well, I was talking with some friends today earlier when we just heard about this thing starting up in San Bernardino, and we got to talking about guns.
And, you know, you go to some of the political meetings here in this town, which I'm sure you've attended and stuff.
Well, there aren't many people who carry guns in San Bernardino.
I'll tell you that.
Here in Peru, Nevada, you know, there's a joke going around.
Somebody will walk into Walmart and some recent person who moved here from, I don't know, California, for example, will go into Walmart and they'll see some guy wearing a gun and they call the sheriff.
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Oh my God, look at this guy wearing a gun.
Well, is he shooting people?
No.
Well, I know I moved here from Iowa and it kind of upset me the first time I started looking around seeing guns in restaurants and stores.
So it's kind of interesting that I should follow that gentleman who you just spoke to.
I think in light of recent events, well, I would strongly advocate for firearms training for American citizens who are able and basically able to defend themselves.
There's going to be two gigantic groups of people calling tonight if it's going to get to be about guns, and that's going to be the people who believe absolutely in the right and the people who think all guns should be taken away.
And I'm not sure I want to exactly have that fight tonight.
I'm pro-gun.
I own guns.
I wouldn't be without guns.
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I don't want to get into that fight as well.
In fact, I don't want to go there at all.
It's just it seems to me that with the recent events that have occurred in the world, these incidents have occurred in areas where they are gun-free zones.
And I'm sorry to say that.
I know that might offend a lot of people.
But it's just the facts are as they are.
I work with two Marines who actually strongly advocate that young men, unfortunately, do not join the service at this very moment due to the fact that their services may be needed here in the United States to defend the homeland other than go overseas and fight.
And I think that's a terrible way of looking at the world, but unfortunately, I am personally sick and tired of these cowardly acts and what is going on in the world.
And I, for one, would strongly advocate that citizens who want to be in a world where they don't have to worry about walking in the street would take care of themselves in a responsible fashion.
I do want to say that Admiral Yamamoto discouraged the Japanese in World War II from invading the West Coast by simply stating, as he was educated here, it is a fight we can never win.
They will fight from every hill, from every tree, from every street, from every window, because he well knew that we were an armed society.
And I also, because of your time in Asia, would, and it's redundant to even say this to you, it's embarrassing, but I'm saying it to everyone out there.
The most polite society known to history was the Samura-driven society, because sword fights don't involve prolonged television-type exchanges, nor do knife fights.
Do you have any thoughts on other than, you know, you mentioned military or streets?
A lot of people would object to that.
In fact, once you start talking about that, there are going to be a lot of people that say, well, look at that, a false flag type deal done so that we can put military on the streets and control every movement of the American people.
I guarantee you there are people dialing to say that right now.
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I understand that.
I mean, I follow some of the conspiracy theories out there and false flag ideas.
I did a little studying on 9-11 because I was so close to it.
I want to ask you a question because I can see where you're headed, okay?
If you were in charge, and you're going to have to make this fast because you don't have a good connection, but if you were in charge, sir, and you could be a dictator and say, here's what's going to happen.
Yeah, we're facing these people now who are going to come in and kill us in crowds and that sort of thing.
What do we do?
You're in charge.
What would you do, sir?
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Well, I guarantee you, if all these hundreds of millions of guns that were in the country were banned, that this would have never happened.
But you know, Syria has a really big problem with refugees, and I really feel for them too, as well as terrorists that are killing the people here in America.
But I'm thinking, you know, let's just get the president out of there.
He's not wanted by anyone, really.
He's not doing the Syrians any good.
He ought to step down.
He ought to get and relieve all those Syrians, get the ones that want out of there out, and let's just surround the country and just do like you do with a game of risk, you know?
Well, let's just assume that most people, rational people, and I shouldn't assume this, but most of them are going to think that people having guns who know how to use them might save some lives.
But the bigger question is how we're going to address this, what we're going to do in Syria.
And that's where it's got to be addressed.
It will continue here, but the genesis of this is without question in Syria.
So sending troops in under lies, disingenuousness, and false narratives, we're never going to get the people behind the real problems in the Middle East as long as it's knee-jerk reaction to the battlefield in San Bernardino or the battlefield and wherever it is that continues to happen in the United States.
So the knee-jerk stuff is going to get us in trouble.
So, you know, how do we avoid Chamberlain's mistake and appeasement?
You know, how do we do that, right?
So what we do is we leverage our technology.
We leverage our technology in the Middle East when with the Russians, and we create no-fly zones.
And when we draw a red line, we stick to that red line.
So maybe right now, Assad is the lesser of two evils.
And so how do you prop up that government, make it safer, do no fly zones, and make this a real military issue, whether it's on the borders of Turkey, Syria, or Iraq?
Well, if there are American lives in danger, all right, if there's a real situation where American lives are in danger, you react one way.
But if you take a look at the missile Cuban crisis, our planes took damage, our planes took bullets from the Cubans, but the pilots were ordered to not get shot.
And by being ordered not to get shot, in essence they didn't report being shot, then they prevented a huge crisis in Cuba back in the 60s.
Well, the first time American interests are attacked, whether it's Russian or Chinese or Iraq or Iran, then we have to react.
But if there's no danger, then if it's an error or even if it's just a snub nose, sometimes you have to turn the other cheek and let it be able to work behind the scenes.
So I used to drive down in the patrol car, and we'd hit the 70s.
This is like the day after 9-11, September 12th or so.
We'd drive down through 72nd Street.
Everything above 72nd Street was one big party.
You had people in all the bars and the clubs.
It was their way of venting.
They were smoking, drinking, acting like nothing happened.
You got past 72nd Street, and the city was a ghost town.
It was like a morgue all the way down to Ground Zero.
I spent four months down there working with this mess.
And you could see that the tension level was so high.
I mean, I saw a side of New York I never expected to see.
You had people that were extra nice.
They would cry, come up to you, and just hug you and thank you for helping.
They'd fight over who's going to buy you a cup of coffee in the morning.
The problem you had is that shortly after 9-11, the tension level was so high, they had no way to relieve it.
Even the psychologists within the city were comforting each other because they didn't know how to handle it, went back to their old ways of doing things.
They started to act like nothing happened.
See, what you need to do in a country like this, you have to look at, and I use an example of Israel because they're a pretty good example of continuous terrorism.
And if you listen to them when they had the latest group of attacks happening at the bus stops, they were encouraging their citizens to carry their weapons.
Well, the first thing I would do is I would have to get the people of this country used to very heavy increases in security, which, again, the tolerance level in this country in general, I mean, it's a free country.
Nobody likes military-style tactics.
Nobody likes having to go through metal detectors all the time.
But if you start looking at the type of attacks that are going to be happening, I've been saying it since 9-11, and the FBI task force I worked with at the time said, it's going to happen again, it's going to happen here, it's just a matter of time and when it's going to happen.
And this was back then.
And again, New York City, NYPD is very good at breaking stuff up before it happens.
But it's still eventually going to happen.
So me, I would start implementing where you're going to have to have security, armed security at loads of places.
You're going to have to have armed security at schools.
Any place where there's large gatherings of people, you're going to need metal detectors.
The other thing is, I mean, what do you do with the subway system?
Well, you could have metal detectors at the subway entrances because all you need to do is hit a couple of subways, couple of bridges, and a couple of locations at the same time, like they did in Paris and California type of thing.
It'll bring the city to a standstill.
As it is with the traffic jams in these big cities, they have enough trouble getting around.
Picture an attack like that and eliminating a tunnel or a bridge or something.
That's all you need.
So they'd have to increase heavy security in that sense, metal detectors.
To stop in the frisk laws that the mayor of this city just stopped, which I don't agree with that, you have to start increasing it because since he stopped it, the crime rate in the city has gone through the roof.
And if you have a suspicion that somebody may be carrying something, there are many mornings, because I get up at 5 a.m., so I'm out early with the crowds.
There are many mornings where I'll go to work and I'll see something because I take buses and trains to get to work in Toloa, Manhattan, if I'm not doing field work.
So I'll see something on the subway.
I mean, one day I saw boxes of metal stuff underneath the benches they have in the subway system.
Other people just walk by it like nothing's going on.
I'll stop.
I'll call it in.
I'll let the motorman know.
I'll say, look, get PD down here.
I'll call 911 myself, have them come down and shut the station down and let the bomb squad come in.
This is stuff where people are not used to doing.
I mean, they're not aware of their surroundings.
They don't pay close enough attention to it.
That's part of the problem you have.
And people don't like to live like that.
And I understand it.
It's a factor of life that, I mean, it's changed a lot since when I was a kid growing up in the 60s and 70s, you know, 70s pretty much.
You know, I was a kid growing up.
Things were different back then.
You know, you had your little things going on, but not to this extent.
And until you get yourself prepared for that mental state, like I said, I saw it with 9-11 big time.
And I saw how they returned to, like, they had security in the tunnels, the Holland Tunnel, Lincoln Tunnel.
You had security where if you were PD or anybody with federal, you'd identify yourself and they'd let you go through the tunnels because the tunnels were off limits to anybody but emergency personnel.
Well, it's coming from Syria, but understand that prior to Syria, you had other countries that can't stand America and our beliefs and everything else.
So you already have tons of terrorists that are pocketed in this country that people don't know about.
They're homegrown.
They're in the country.
They have American passports.
Now, you could go in and eliminate Syria.
You could go in and take Bashad out and do what you have to do with this.
But the problem you're going to have is Russia.
Russia, you don't want to start World War III.
That's another disaster you want to try to avoid.
So it's a real, it's a chess game out there.
It's a chess game in Syria because of the position that Russia's taking on things.
China's taking on things.
What do you actually do?
Do you send the troops in?
That might be an alternative to eliminate the Syrian problem.
But you're still going to have all these people in this country that are already here.
Yeah, they want the end of the world because they're going to get their seven virgins and be in paradise and everything else.
And they have a view of life that is totally different from the majority.
Now, what's the right view?
You know, everybody could say, oh, it's my view is right.
Their view is right.
It's not even that.
It's a matter of who's going to act on their view and take action to stop what's going on.
But if this country would wake up more and get the security going, and if they could handle it, they really need to be able to handle an increased security level.
Because I know New Yorkers in general were very resilient people in this city, but they walked around.
When I was working with the FBI group, the terrorist task force, they said to me, John, you know, I got to tell you, they said in the last week, the security level in the tunnels have dropped.
That was the point I was trying to bring out, that there was a while where all you had to do was hold up a badge.
They weren't stopping you, weren't checking your ID cards.
This was in the week after the attacks.
They were letting anybody that held something up go through without checking them.
And they said, this is not the way to be.
And I agreed with them 100%.
He said, you know, this is why you can't, people in general, not just New Yorkers in general, do you think people in where you're located in Nevada, do you think they could handle increased security?
And like I say, I use New York as the example because that 72nd Street was the benchmark for me.
When I saw them relieving stress by drinking and smoking and increasing their partying and then going to a ghost town down below, you could see the tension levels were through the roof.
Very quickly, John, thank you to my producer, John Liebert.
MDPC is a forensic psychiatrist and the author of Suicidal Mass Murders, a criminological study of why they kill Arts of Darkness, why kids are becoming mass murderers, and is a specialist dealing with the homizotically insane terrorist attacks that are going on.
And so here he is, if I press the right button, I hope.
It's very different than the hundreds of cases that I've been studying and following since 2008 when I first began researching and writing about the subject of suicidal rampage murders.
I don't know that this is an accurate figure, but I heard on CNN earlier today that out of the last 200 and some odd incidents of the type you just described, almost all of them were committed by single mentally disturbed people.
And so that makes this, of course, very, very rare.
Doctor, you're an expert at this sort of thing, and the United States has a very large number of, you know, what I call headshakers, mass murders, where generally the person committing is going to, they know they're going to end up dead, and usually by their own hand.
It's almost unique to America.
It's mostly involving males, not so many females involved.
So it is unusual from that point of view.
Here is my question for you.
I also, as an adult, have lived many years in the Philippines, where conditions are much worse economically than here.
And when I say much worse, I mean people survive like on $2 a day.
But they don't have mass murders other than military action once in a while.
They don't have mass murderers.
And there's some cultural difference between here and there that I would love to see examined that.
Well, you know, if you're looking at it from the perspective of transcultural psychiatry, comparing one society and culture to another, you know, you can dial back to the Society Islands back in the, there's a literature out of there back in the 70s during the Vietnam War when we were, again, during that period of time, we were interested in violence.
The Society Islands, when they were studied back in the days of Vietnam, another time, a period of history when we had riots on campus, Vietnam, etc., violence was a big issue in psychiatry, so we were studying it at that time, and now we're studying it again.
But at that time, we were looking at the Society Islands.
I believe it's French Polynesia now, and that was really basically before the tourist industry had moved in.
It was a little bit more pure culture.
And in comparing the United States society to the Society Islands of that time, there was close to zero in the way of assault, close to zero in the way of mental illness.
They just simply did not have the problems we're talking about.
Other than that, they're all Japanese and tourists.
And so you've got, you know, like the Society Islands, you've got symmetry and, you know, a synergistic population.
Our population, for better or for worse, is, you know, I mean, it's almost like a national mission today to be diverse.
I mean, look what's going on in our university campuses.
You can't go on to the University of California campus or Harvard campus and give a lecture on turning back the clock and reducing the diversity on campus.
I mean, you'd get run off the campus.
And so, for better or for worse, our population is not synergistic.
Well, I think there are many, many factors involved.
But you were comparing the Philippines to the United States from a sociological or the cultural point of view.
I'm just addressing that.
There are other factors in the United States, but if you're looking at it from the point of view of other nations, I mean, we're moving towards diversity on our campuses.
I do think that the analogy to the Society Islands is a factor.
The asymmetry, the asynergy, the competitiveness, and the intensity of interpersonal relations that you have in the tropical areas that aren't too affected by modernism and tourism,
they have a lower incidence of this type of behavior.
We got rid of the state institutions and we replaced it with a federal mental health system that really did get up and running because the President of the United States was fully behind it for personal reasons.
And the only problem is that this mental health center, mental health system was not designed properly.
It didn't do what it was supposed to do.
It didn't take care of the seriously mentally ill.
It became sort of, you know, a place where, you know, anybody could go and become a famous psychoanalyst and have their own little practice and that kind of thing.
And it didn't do what it was supposed to do.
It didn't take care of the patients who were dumped out of the state institutions.
Reagan enclosed the institution so much as he did support the elimination of involuntary commitment.
I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea of putting things into three different columns.
9-11, the Boston Marathon bombing, the Times Square SUV, the Ford Hood.
That was Islamist Jihad.
Then we get down to Columbine, Virginia Tech, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Oregon Community College, University of Seattle, and on and on and on.
All right.
Now, these were, I presumably, these were white young men.
And let's take the presumption that they were a Christian family of some sort or Christian beliefs.
Third column, you have Charleston, South Carolina, you have Ferguson, you have Chicago, you have Cleveland.
This is a racial issue.
It's still, all of this, in a sense, is a community form of terrorism.
Where San Bernardino falls into, I have no idea, because this could be merely a very emotional, upset Middle Eastern man who's very down on his luck and goes, okay, I'm going out.
I want to be famous.
I've been nothing all my life.
I knew a lot of Saudis and some guys from Abu Dhabi when I went to college.
Great guys, but tremendously emotional.
Generous to a fault, but also extremely volatile.
And sometimes took things the wrong way.
And we're immediately ready to either draw blood or give you a bottle of scotch.
It was one way or the other.
Then there's something else that was, you were talking to this doctor.
Do you remember way back when we had an issue in Northern Ireland with chin pain?
And, okay, this went on for 87 years with the, and that was vicious, that was as vicious warfare or as bad a terrorism as you can imagine any other place on earth.
Now, I think that is probably what makes Trump so popular, taking that point of view.
And as these things keep happening, I think that this is like cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching, voters going to Trump, I would think.
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Probably.
And then I would purge the suspicious people who've entered from Syria and that area of the world, known trouble spots for the last two years.
And again, be very conservative about that.
And then I don't think the police are going to be able to protect us unless we activate the National Guard and we become like any other European state with people with machine guns all over the place.
And then on top of all this, and more important even than this, awful as it is, you know, we're kind of on the edge of the possibility of a world war here.
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Yeah.
And I don't, you know, my thought on that is like, Turkey, you shot down a Russian plane.
Yeah, I know it was over your airspace.
I know this.
I know that.
But you don't shoot down Russian planes.
So, you know, staying out of World War III, that has to be the bottom line.
Of my callers tonight, I would say, and I think I'm being conservative, that about 80% of them are calling for as much gun ownership as possible.
I'm not necessarily against that idea.
I just don't think that it's going to solve a lot.
It makes you feel better.
But if we have to fear going to the supermarket or going to a baseball game or a football game or just, you know, going on downtown into an area where there's a crowd, something that would attract people who want to kill for no reason, well, no reason that we in the West understand very well.
You've resided this long, hundreds of thousands of people you've talked to and helped, and I think you're timeless.
Now, real quick before I forget, the first thing I want to do is let them know my heart goes out to those people that were innocent and got hurt, okay?
The next thing I want to say to you, Art is that, you know, I love talk radio for a multitude of reasons.
My friends have turned home to hear your show, and they said, geez, Paul, why don't you hear me to get to Art Bell?
It's just a talk show.
And I told them, you know, in your world it is, but in my world, when you talk to Art Bell, there's about 100 other alien races out there, and some of them are just coming out of light wart speed, and they're all reaching over to switch on the switch for the Art Bell talk show.
So if they are out there, I want them to hone in on my frequency, and I want to make contact, goddammit.
So, you know, on the more lights, I just want to get that out there, okay?
What they want to do is spread Islam across the entire planet.
And while us in the West, you know, we can see that as definitely it's the end of our world, they're not trying to bring about some sort of end of the book of Revelations.
And I'm going to quote directly from their Hadith.
I think, sir, that they have concluded that we're not going to convert.
And that leaves us with the die part.
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Indeed.
And secondly, I wanted to point out that there's definitely going to be no Russia versus the United States or Warsaw Pact versus NATO because Putin, as despotic as he seems and as much of an iron grip as he seems to have on Russia, if you look at his popularity with the Russians, he's constantly polling at 80, 90% because they like the smart moves that he's playing.
But they understand that if you go to war with NATO, if you go to war with the United States, Putin will be flat on his butt outside of the Kremlin in less than 12 hours.
There's no way the Russian people would go along with that.
Okay, this is a rather interesting situation because I think that all the Muslims that were grown in North Africa and the Middle East, that Obama has set these things up, plus Soros, they spent billions there with non-governmental organizations and movements, and then they set the fire.
And they're pushing them up into Europe as well as Obama supporting ISIS by leaving the weapons there for DOM and things.
A lot of things have resulted in Obama spreading Islam more than any other caliph in centuries.
Well, I'm not sure it's fair to say that Obama left the weapons there knowing that they would be taken by these guys in black.
How could he possibly have known that?
I'm not a gigantic Obama fan, but after all, sir, this war and those weapons and that money that they got their hands on, all of that stuff, you know, that was kind of there already.
And the Iraqis turned tail and ran, and that's how they got it.
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Which was to be expected.
And I think some of our military expected that, but there was nothing they could do.
But this whole thing has resulted in tremendous stress throughout Europe and the United States.
We've brought in, since 9-11, 3 million Muslims, plus she wants another million or more.
And Hama Abaddon says she wants as many Syrian refugees as possible.
That's Hillary's main advisor.
It's all part of Hijrah, which is Muslim conquest by immigration, which is how they started Islam when they took over what's called Medina now.
They made a peace treaty, and then halfway through they slaughtered two of the three tribes.
I don't want to have it thought that I'm saying that what happened tonight was a result of mental illness.
I have the feeling, sir, that what happened tonight is a result of somebody who believes in a new ideology spreading across the world very quickly now that's coming out of its home in Syria.
That's what I believe.
That's what I think.
I don't think it's mental illness to be committed to an idea, horrible as that idea may be.
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Understood, Art.
I meant that I was responding to the man that you had on, the doctor.
Yeah, and he was kind of talking about that, and I kind of wanted to agree with him that it's a very strong, it's a very strong thing when people are desperate, especially single, you were talking about single men and that he's kind of down on his luck and his marriage and all that kind of stuff.
Yeah, and we don't know what happened, of course, but I'm just kind of agreeing with him that, like, I can see that the person that would have a disposition to do some crazy stuff that normally wouldn't be done, our society is kind of pushing people to be desperate, and especially men with no sort of outlet for their feelings.
There are countries all over the world where young men are desperate, generally out of work, frequently divorced, a lot of women, problems, and they just don't do this.
So what I'm searching for here, I guess we're having two different discussions.
There is the mindless killer, generally white male, right, that we're talking about.
And it is very prevalent in America.
And yes, I am asking why is it so prevalent here in America as opposed to other countries?
I think, however, you know, it's my opinion that what happened today is motivated by something else entirely.
But I could be wrong about that.
You know, we still have yet to hear from the authorities on what motivated these people.
But I think I have a pretty good idea, and I think you probably think you do too.
You may or may not agree, but I'd just like to maybe say it.
I think that we need to get our heads out of our cell phones, pay attention to what's going on.
What's been going on the last two or three years?
These Muslim extremists have been killing Christians, beeheading them all over the world.
Beheading Christians and just killing Americans in different countries, tourists, that type thing.
I think we need to get with the people that are with America, the other countries, our allies, and maybe close all of our borders just temporarily and get together and go over here and put boots to asses like we would back in the 70s, 60s, and 70s and just try to eradicate it because it's a disease.
These Muslim extremists.
That's just my opinion, and everybody may not agree with that.
Well, everybody may not, but that's what we're here for, to let you voice it.
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Well, I sure appreciate it.
But I just feel like we need to take our country back.
It just don't seem like the last few presidents we've had, the last four presidents, has had our best interest at heart by sending a lot of our jobs, a whole lot of our jobs, to other countries.
It seems like we've been very passive whenever it comes to these extremists that are taking advantage of the Christian people all over the world.
If you want to talk about economics, yes, jobs have gone to other countries, but that's because it's cheaper for the companies to do that.
Simply that, I don't mix the two.
You can say, yeah, there's not as many jobs here as there might have been, but is that why people are shooting up and become the Wild West around this country?
I don't think that's it.
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No, no, sir.
And I'm just saying it just seems like the country has went in a whole different direction.
What I grew up in.
I was born in the mid-70s, and things were a whole lot different.
It was very easy to get a job.
You know, in those days, it seemed like in the 70s, 80s, and even 90s.
So would you say you're in favor of closing the borders, putting up walls, that kind of thing?
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Well, temporarily until, you know, some of this stuff, you know, until we eradicate, and we're never going to completely eradicate.
There's a psycho born every day.
But, I mean, you know, just try to knit this in the bud right now as it's getting started.
We should have done this when 9-11 happened.
And if we do that, these other countries, like one of your other callers was talking about, that hate America will set an example.
You know, hey, maybe we need to chill out and not be so hard on America and quit some of this rhetoric about killing Americans and death to America, that type thing.
Set an example.
But it just seems like this generation of young men and women are not interested in not paying attention to what's going on around the world.
So in other words, we'd kill each other, you believe.
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Oh, of course.
That's all we're going to end up doing is shooting each other, friendly fires, because you thought they were the terrorists because you heard gunfire and saw somebody with a gun.
They withheld, CNN, for example, withheld a lot of information for a long time.
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And part of that is trust of the citizens here in the United States.
I mean, there's been a lot of revolution in people's thoughts and actions.
And, you know, I guess our leaders have lost faith in us.
We can't fix that.
They're going to have to solve that one themselves because we can't all afford to do, you know, civic projects every day.
But people who do get involved in civic activities are less threatened by this because they know the people who are involved and they know that, you know, the right thing will be done.
But there's no fear in my heart because I'm not afraid of what happens next.
I came here on this earth to do something.
I don't know what it is, but I'm here and I'm alive now, just like you are.
I mean, in Germany, they do have a lot of social programs, after all.
Lots and lots of them.
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Yeah, and that's the thing.
You know, it's like the people that say that are generally not the ones that are paying for it.
The problem that I see with this entire philosophy and situation that's going on is the ideology clash.
People don't seem to realize on my side, the U.S. side, I'm not in any particular religion, and I hate them all equally, to be honest with you.
But the ideology that people are trying to change these individuals who have been forsped this violent, hateful rhetoric since birth is never going to happen.
It's hard enough to try to talk sense into a Catholic to try to see that at least there might be a possibility that there isn't a God.
Well, you know, this fanatical thing that's spreading is amazing.
To me, it's amazing how quickly it's spreading, how quickly it's taking hold.
How many people who were just sort of average Muslims, I guess, in life suddenly get grabbed by this extremist point of view and convert so instantly, you've got to admit it's fast.
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See, that's the biggest thing.
And what happened today is really the canary in the coal mine.
And to call anyone a moderate Muslim is to not understand takiyah.