Professor David Jacobs, a Temple University researcher since 1966, details alien "hybrid breeding" programs using abductees—1,150 cases with 150 individuals—extracting sperm/eggs via eye contact to create 5'9" gray-like hybrids trained in human behaviors. These hybrids, born after 9–11 weeks in liquid-filled incubatoriums, lack reproductive organs but may telepathically control humans, though Jacobs dismisses mass shootings as unlikely. Early 20th-century abduction reports and Bud Hopkins’ 1980s findings suggest a decades-long, systematic invasion, with hybrids bred for tasks like calming humanity during an impending "change," leaving Earth’s species as second-class pawns in an extraterrestrial experiment. [Automatically generated summary]
When people start trying to reach you, unless it's some kind of dire emergency, you don't stop doing a talk show open and then, you know, like pick the phone, say hi.
So none of that got to me, so I did my open, you know, happily trudging away, came to a break, finally called Keith.
And, well, turns out, let me give you the rules for this show.
We have two rules only for this show.
No bad language, unless it is to tonight describe the people that cut off the internet down there.
And one called Burchell.
But even in the case of describing the people that cut off the internet, you can't use the bad language.
I was just kidding about that.
Just, you know, like wishful thinking.
So, you know, we were not on last night, and the internet actually went off at 8.58.
Now, I'm not saying that is a suspicious time, but, hey, that is a suspicious time.
You know why?
Because in my experience, internet companies, especially the big ones, you know, Phoenix, right, they don't do when he called, when Keith called, they said scheduled maintenance.
You know, that's what, like, the guy who answered the phone said.
But he probably also said it's sunspots.
And then when it wasn't fixed by 7 o'clock this morning, like they said, then they said, well, no, now it's a problem.
Yeah, it's a problem.
So it didn't come back until 5 o'clock this afternoon.
That's the bottom line.
And Phoenix, of course, is a point of failure.
You could think of it as that.
But it's really a point of work.
It's where Keith works.
And he puts in spots.
And he does all kinds of yeoman's work down there.
He's really busy, actually.
So anyway, it's a big deal.
And that's why we weren't here last night.
Really, really, really frustrating when you actually are starting a show, and then you're told, well, you're not on.
So I trudged home with my coffee canister and coffee cup.
Sort of with my head down.
Listen, there is something going back to what I was starting to say last night that is so funny on the website right now that you've got to go see it.
It's absolutely hilarious.
I forget the guy's name.
Mike Gingrich did it, and it is, remember when I described my intuition experience?
I've done it a million times, right?
Well, somehow he caught the last one.
And he put it to a video piece of animation that is telling you it's hilarious.
So when you go to artbell.com tonight, you'll see the guest information.
Then below that, you're going to see the breaking news I'm going to tell you about here in a minute.
And below that is the animation.
It's let me put it this way.
Keith is not the first person I would list when I would talk about sense of humors.
He does a lot of things very well, computers and many things well, but sense of humor, not so much.
He's pretty much a business guy, but he said when he watched this, he laughed so hard he couldn't stop.
And it went on for a long time.
May or may not hit you that way.
It did kind of hit me that way, too.
The usual thank yous to Telos.
Joe Talbot, thank you for the great sound.
Keith, of course, the webmaster we just talked about.
Heather Wade, my producer.
Don't forget if you've got a guest suggestion, send it off to producer at artbell.com.
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Tune-In Radio, News, Our Own Amy Martin, as you know.
Okay, so I've kind of got some more for you here in terms of station keeping, if you will.
I would like to welcome a new affiliate tonight, and that would be KQQQ in Pullman, Washington, 11.50 a.m. and 104.7 FM.
Welcome to the show, you guys.
Really happy to have you.
There is astounding affiliate information that I can't talk about.
This kind of stuff, it kills me.
It absolutely kills me.
I mean, I know about these amazing things that are going on.
I can't talk about it.
You know, I'm co-owner of the company, but I know, I mean, it's just I can't talk about it.
Mama said something about eggs and hatching and counting and something.
All right, so this is breaking news, what I'm Going to read you.
There's so much news to talk about, it's hard to know where to start.
Scientists, this is from theanomalous.com, and I trust them.
And we've got our own story up at artbell.com about it.
But here's the way theanomalous.com wrote it, and I love it.
Scientists at large hadron collider hope to make contact with parallel universe in days.
This news has sort of quietly slipped under the radar, buried under the latest Kardashian updates and other useless news, but this is absolutely another top contender for Headline of the Year, which we've been talking about, that other story.
Even though these scientists believe this is possible and that our gravity, our gravity, could actually leak into the other universe, which, by the way, is how we think we might detect another universe, gravity, they reassure us that everything will be fine, stating that, well, the worst that could happen is that it could trigger the implosion and destruction of the entire universe.
No biggie.
Hopefully, if this controversial experiment is a success, it'll only trigger a few more glitches in the matrix.
I love that.
And spare us the universe-wide destruction.
I love the way they put it.
Could trigger the implosion and destruction of the entire universe.
That's it, guys.
Pour the power on.
And in fact, the Hadron Collider is going to be at the highest power ever used at the Hadron Collider.
Just so you know.
So I'll be waiting for that.
If it happens, I assume we just sort of blink out, which is not a bad way to go, all things considered.
Maybe we pop into another universe where we just sort of continue as we were.
Briefly, looking around the world or around the country at least, let me see.
The U.S. and Russia put into practice Tuesday new rules.
These are war rules, right?
Designed to minimize the risk of air collisions between Russian and U.S. coalition aircraft over Syria.
We say that it's not that big a deal, as it's an outline.
And besides, Russia is helping us to death over there, and they're not bombing the right people.
But still, and all, we don't want to bump into them.
Millions of fans cried out in joy as they saw the latest trailer for Star Wars.
Maybe they did it intentionally just to freak everybody out.
Oh, no, Luke's gone.
61 wingsuit skydivers have flown into the record books, creating a diamond-shaped formation while soaring right over California before breaking apart, floating to the ground.
The group set the record for the largest such formation Saturday at Skydive Paris, 80 miles southeast of Los Angeles.
All right, and I also don't want to not talk about the megastructure story.
It is as big as ever.
1,500 light years away, yes.
But scientists believe they have found megastructures.
The word they used after they exhausted every other possibility.
It was found by Kepler.
It is star KICK, KIC 8462852.
And the flickering has been interpreted after rejecting everything else as a swarm of megastructures.
I know, but this is from legitimate scientists, many of them in different locations.
So this story will stay with us while we consider extinction via collider.
Oh, God, what a lot of news.
And that includes what's coming up.
David Michael Jacobs is a retired professor of history at Temple University in Philadelphia.
He's been a UFO researcher since 1966.
In 1973, completed his doctoral dissertation in the field of intellectual history at the University of Wisconsin-Madison on the controversy over unidentified flying objects in America.
He was the second Ph.D. degree ever granted with a dissertation involving a UFO-related theme.
He has written and delivered many articles, papers, and addresses on the subject of UFOs and abductions.
He has been a consultant to major UFO organizations from 77 through 2011.
That's 1977 through 2011.
He taught the country's only regular curriculum university course on UFOs and abductions, UFOs and American Society, it was called.
Since the early 80s, he specialized in the UFO abduction phenomenon.
He has investigated over 1,150 abductions with 150 different individuals.
And during our last program, as I bring Dr. Jacobs on, we began talking about human-alien hybrids.
Now, at some point in the interview, I said, I think, Doctor, you're talking about an invasion underway of Earth right now.
All right, so when you're talking about an invasion of Earth, as I said earlier, it is not something that you say, oh, yeah, get as much as you can in a couple of hours and then go next and talk about whatever.
It's just like, hey, let's go back to this invasion of Earth thing.
This is serious.
Very serious.
And you should begin by telling everybody it is.
In other words, what you're presenting here is indeed an invasion of Earth.
Well, what I did was I expanded the idea, the version of abductions.
I expanded the definition of abductions to include that a person is abducted when he's under control by an alien of any sort in real time in any location.
So they don't have to be abducted on board a UFO.
It could be in a supermarket.
It could be anywhere, and they're suddenly under control, and they do what the biddings of this alien, usually a hybrid, tells them to do or ask them to do or whatever.
Generally speaking, what would happen would be the abductee would take a hybrid.
Now, there's obviously a long lead-up to this rather than just at random, but would take a hybrid, a known hybrid that he or she has worked with, and take them into a supermarket to show them, for example, what a supermarket is,
how it works, what the food is like, how you would cook certain foods, how you handle other foods, like let's just say a carton of eggs, how you check out, how you get change, how you put stuff back in the basket or the cart, and then go out into the parking lot and put it in the cart, stuff like that.
Actually, Bud Hopkins first discovered this back in the early 1990s or 1980s, now that I think about it.
And he called these beings hybrids.
The first time we'd ever seen it was a woman claimed that she was given a baby to hold who looked sort of half alien and half human.
By alien, she meant gray alien.
And it was an astonishing case that I had never heard before, and never had he heard of anything like that before.
And he said that he called it a hybrid baby.
And from that time on, there were lots of cases like that.
And we saw them as toddlers, as kids, as older kids, as adolescents, and as young adults, and adults.
And they became sort of a staple of the abduction phenomenon, although a lot of people would just go up, would be abducted, and just have table procedures and then just sort of come back down.
Honey, can I interrupt and ask, does this mean, Doctor, that aliens are abducting women, doing some sort of modification to a fetus or something that's early on and implanting it, and then this woman has her child and that becomes the hybrid or what?
But then again, when the hybrids come out looking what I call early stage, they really look like gray aliens with some human features.
So my guess is that there's actually something from the gray aliens that is putting into the elbow and the sperm that have been fertilized.
But you have to understand that one of the things that astounded us when we first began to look at this subject was we understood that these beings were automatically and absolutely and positively and without question going to have extremely advanced technology, which is what everybody describes, because our technology is brand new and theirs might be just a touch bit older, which might be a million years.
But what we didn't expect, just through us for Aloof, was their knowledge of human physiology, biology, neurology, everything human.
It's much easier to say they gave me a message and sent me back and told me to spread the word about X, Y, or Z or whatever, the environment or atomic bombs or whatever it is.
That's a lot easier to say than they took sperm from me or they took eggs from me or whatever.
There's no reason in this world to ever say anything like that if you're making it up.
It just adds an aura of embarrassment.
You know what I mean?
but in fact, all abductees describe this, and I can say all abductees with a relative degree of certainty because it starts in childhood and goes into old age.
But the question is, when this program, you know, goes to when this program began.
In other words, if they continue to grow and get older, you would think that whenever this program began, you could sort of estimate the age of the hybrid if they're growing in linear human years, which I think they are.
They appear to grow in linear human years, and therefore they have a lifespan, but we don't know how long that lifespan is and if they're used for other purposes.
In other words, the phenomenon of abductions goes back, you know, as I said, perhaps the last quarter of the 19th century, but certainly back to the teens and 20s and 30s and so forth.
And so they've been doing this for a long time.
You know, another couple of years it'll be coming up to, you know, maybe even 100 years or something.
That means that I don't know whether they've been producing hybrids this whole time.
They might just have been producing abductees this whole time.
So I would think, you know, as you look around the universe, which they're certainly doing with what we're doing with Kepler, they were finding a lot of Earth-like planets, but we seem to be quite special.
There might only be, let's just say, a trillion of us out there.
We don't know how many Earth-like planets are out there.
They're finding more and more that are in the Goldilocks zone just by looking through glass telescopes.
In 1,000 years from now, if we're still around, they will be finding many, many, many, many, many, many, many more.
Here's the argument.
This is what I call it, the argument for two.
You can make the case that we are alone in the universe, the UFO phenomenon and the abduction phenomenon.
It's just a fig Newton of our imaginations.
You can make that case.
It's a stupid case, but it's been made by scientists, and there is a book called Rare Earth, which talked about how the moon hit the Earth and the Mars hit the Earth and whatever, and the Earth's tilt, and the destruction of dinosaurs and the coming of the primates.
You know, it was such a whole series of unlikely events that their argument was we're the only advanced technological life in the universe.
If you think that UFOs are extraterrestrial and not just mistakes, and if you think that abductions are real and not just mental constructs, then there's at least one other group out there who is abducting us.
Therefore, there are two advanced species out there, us and them.
But you can't make an argument for two.
That becomes ridiculous.
That becomes nonsensical.
That's a laugher.
If you're making an argument for two, you're making an argument for two billion.
There can't be just two.
You see what I mean?
There's Millions.
And I'm probably playing it down by saying that.
So you have to assume, you just have to assume that the universe is teeming with advanced terrestrial technological life because we've already seen one of them.
And that is good enough.
There's two of them, there's us and them.
And then that means automatically they're all over the place.
It seems if there's more than one working on us, as it were, they must be a coalition of the willing, so to speak.
Because they seem to have the same agenda.
I'm not making light of this.
I'm just trying to think of, you know, it does seem as though what you're saying with Walking Among Us is that we are being changed in a methodical way.
And that would, if there was more than one race, that would require cooperation, right?
But I think that we, that these aliens who are just abducting aliens are the ones who have this planet.
In some way, this planet is essentially theirs.
Now, it is possible that there are non-abducting aliens who literally, truly are visiting us.
This is a word used by people who believe in the abduction phenomenon but think it's all wonderful.
They're visiting like visitors.
And visitors are welcome into our house, you know.
But there might be, you know, just curious other ones who are flying about, and those might be the ones we see for all we know.
But in terms of abducting, all around, this is a global phenomenon, and everybody around the world describes basically the same aliens, the same procedures, the same insights as the UFOs, the same everything.
It seems to be one major unified group that is doing this, that is doing what I call planetary acquisition.
They are taking over this planet for reasons that we do not know and will eventually, I think, supplant humans just through the process of not hybridization, but the process of not only hybridization, but making abductees.
Because abductees are intergenerational, which means that if one person is an abductee and gets married to a person who is not an abductee and they have four kids, or two kids rather, those two kids will be abductees.
And then whoever they get married to, almost certainly non-abductees, all their children will be abductees.
And eventually, everybody in the world will be an abductee.
I would say, and I'm guessing here, maybe 90%, 95%, and if I'm really, really, really, really conservative, I'll say 85% of all abductees do not know that they're abductees at all.
They have a neurological ability that we can only guess at.
There's no way we can possibly imagine how they do this, but they do it.
And all abductees, all of them from the very first event we ever found, the Antonio Villas Voice abduction in Brazil in 1957, they all had that quality.
And it's a clandestine phenomenon, so they can make humans forget what happened to them, whether they were in a supermarket or on board a UFO, immediately afterwards, within seconds.
And there's a little piece in the book, and I wrote this chapter very carefully, about abductees being trained to do things that gray aliens and hybrids do.
And one of the things that this one woman was supposed to do was there was another abductee in a room.
She sat behind a glass window with a hybrid who was helping her.
And she was supposed to, he thought the hybrid in the room, who was just standing in the room, got an image in his mind that he was standing on a bridge.
And her task was to make him jump off the bridge.
And she could do that.
They didn't advance it that far, but it was doable for her with the help of this other hybrid.
She was being trained.
That was the thing.
She was being trained at the time.
So, yes, they could.
Now, there's no indication that the hybrids have that kind of violence built into them.
Everybody, you know, there's a gun for every man, woman, and child in the United States, so everybody get their guns out and blow their brains out now.
I just don't see that as a scenario.
Maybe I just like to look on the happy side of things.
These creatures, if you will, that look like us, cannot be identified as not being us and have the ability to control minds.
What an interesting way to take control of a planet.
Now, I said as we were leaving, or as we were leaving and headed to this last break, that by now they would be, I think, deeply infiltrated into our business and political community, in fact, in virtually everything, but no doubt in the important areas, right, Professor?
In other words, now this is just a group of people I've been working with, and they have a certain age, and so I don't know people who are 100 years old now and have not had any experiences for the past 25 years or whatever.
I don't know what happened with them and whether they went through this procedure or whether or not hybridization is relatively new.
It started, let's just say, in the year 2000 or something like that.
I don't really know that.
However, they don't seem to, one of the things that I noticed earlier on, even before I started doing abduction hypnosis, just looking through Bud's files and looking at and talking with Bud and talking with Bud's abductees and sitting in sessions and all the rest of that stuff,
these beings, whether they were insect-like ones or reptilian-like ones or gray-like ones or hybrids of any stripe, they never asked questions about Earth's organizational structures or business structures or governmental structures, never asked any questions about those things.
My guess was, though, and I still think that this is true, is that we will be living under the structures of the leaders of the group, of the what I call the insect ones, the insect-like ones who apparently appear to be the ones in control, the ones in charge, that they will have the structures.
And when you take a look at what's going on on board the UFO, everybody is bred for a task.
Everybody knows exactly what they're doing.
Everything runs smoothly from what we can tell.
Every once in a while, there's a problem.
An abductee will get loose and run down a hallway.
They know how to, there's a standard operating practice for them to deal with that.
They've probably seen this a million times.
And everything runs extremely smoothly.
I don't know how this thing is going to be played out.
I don't know if they're going to take over the White House or anything like that.
I don't know if they'll just control the president or anything like that.
And the interesting thing about that, once again, in all these I don't know situations, it all leads to the authenticity of the accounts that we hear from abductees because if they were making it up, if it was fake, if it was just psychological, they would make up what was going to happen in the future as well.
They just make it up.
The aliens told me that they were going to sit in the Oval Office.
They don't know what an Oval Office is.
My guess is they don't know what a president is.
They don't know what the name of the country is, the United States of America.
They know they live in the United States, but they may not vote unless just say too much trouble.
They go about driving here or there, whatever.
And that's sort of what we're seeing in this phenomenon.
But I don't know how this is going to be played out.
And so the best thing I can do is say that it's happening.
And the problem here is that the ones who are moving into apartments who I call hubrids, they don't know either.
All they know is that they were bred for a task, and their task is to live here and not stand out, not attract attention to themselves, and to be here.
And they know that sometime in the future, something is going to happen where abductees will be used here on Earth to control humans.
And I started hearing these accounts a long time ago about people who knew that, who were told that when the change, as they called it many years ago, that when the change comes, this is not abductees' words, this is the words from the gray aliens.
When the change comes, These humans, these particular humans' jobs would be to stand on the street.
There would be panicked humans running down the street, and they're to stand there coolly and calmly and say, It's okay, it's all right, everything is fine, just keep moving this way, keep moving this way, everything is fine.
And that will be their job.
I have a drawing that I show once in a while in my presentations of a woman of what looks like a middle-stage hybrid, who really looks quite alien but also human, pointing with a pointer of some sort to what is actually a street map on a screen.
And it points to where she's going to be standing, and here's where the humans are going to be running towards, and at the end of where this area is, they're running towards a giant UFO that's waiting for them.
And as I said before, if this was being made up, we'd have tons.
We just don't know.
The objectees don't know.
The hybrids don't, the hubris who are moving in, who I call huberts, to differentiate them from all the rest of the hybrids, they don't know either.
All they know is that their job is to be here and to work here, to become human, and to not let on that they're anything different.
But the real rules, the plan is all done through these, I think, these insectolines, the ones who really look alien, who people say look like praying mantises.
And I think those are the ones behind the whole program.
Now, they might have others somewhere else in the universe that they are kowtowing to, for all I know.
And there's a whole backstory that goes on here that we don't know about.
In other words, the hybrids, when people see hybrids in different stages, look somewhat human, somewhat not human, somewhat alien, and all that sort of stuff, they wear certain clothes on board.
The women wear a beige-colored one-piece dress thing with a three-quarter-length sleeves, no ornamentation of any sort.
And the men will wear the same kind of thing, only it's a shirt and pants.
And somebody has to make those.
Somebody's got to sew them together in some way or do whatever they do.
I've heard hundreds of these accounts of what the hybrids are wearing.
They all wear basically the same thing.
But somebody's got to make them.
There's got to be material that's delivered to them.
There's got to be beings back there who are swinging them together or doing whatever they've got to do to get these uniforms.
Not only that, but if you've got human-like hybrids, you've got to have bathroom facilities.
They're going to be urinating and all that.
And it has to be.
And we don't see anything like that.
Although one time we did see it, I didn't talk about a shower once, but that was a little bit of a different story.
And the hybrids have to eat.
Whereas the gray aliens absorb nutrients through their skin, and most hybrids absorb nutrients through their skin, the ones who get more and more human have to eat through their mouths.
So there's got to be food-like substance made for them.
And when they come down here, they have to have already purloined, gotten clothes to make them look normal and average here, usually taken from people's rooms, I must say.
In one session I did, this guy recognized a shirt that had been missing from his closet, and there was this hybrid walking around with his shirt.
Now that's only the only time that ever happened.
Another one, a woman, when she was a kid, she noticed that half of her comic books were gone, and she blamed her brother for this and never forgave her brother, even as an adult, for stealing her comic books, and she never found them again.
And then she was up on board, and she could see that somebody was looking at her comic books.
All right, so this is the reason abductees need to help them.
They need to teach them about how to live every day, how to go to the supermarket, how to do a million different things that you have to do in modern life, right?
They've already been teaching them about what it's like to live on earth when they were young on board, when they were five and six and ten years old on board.
And they are sometimes brought to an abductee's house with a caretaker, an older hybrid, and taught what a kitchen is like or what a computer is, what a television is, and things like that.
But it doesn't matter.
By the time they get here at age 17, 18, 19, they know nothing.
There is so much to learn that children learn just through simple observation, seeing a million things a day that is absorbed into their minds that is not in abductees' minds, that they have to learn a tremendous amount, especially interpersonal relations, but a tremendous amount about how to live on Earth.
They don't know anything about humor.
Humor is not part of their lives.
Because everything is telepathic on board, although they can speak orally when they're here, sarcasm, irony, things, inflections, that's all lost on them because somebody can say something and the way that they say it, you know they're meaning exactly the opposite.
With them, everything is taken literally until they learn what humor is or they have to pick up the subtleties of the language that they can't do on board a UFO.
Not only that, but they don't know how old they are.
They don't know how to treat people who give them presents, birthdays.
They don't know anything about families.
They don't know if their mother or father or sister or brother or whatever.
They don't know how family interaction is.
They don't know what a cousin is.
I mean, it's just astounding what they don't know, even though they've been taught constantly and they are unconscious.
I have a theory of coming back from the future, and it's probably wrong since what I know about science is less than what my cat knows about science.
She's a whiz at it, and I'm not very good.
So here's what I know about coming back from the future.
If they're coming back from the future, that means automatically, and I guess maybe quantum physics or quantum mechanics might account for something like this, it means automatically that the future has already happened because they're coming back from the future.
Can you come back and, well, if you can, then everything changes.
You know, there's a butterfly effect.
But can you come back and affect the society just by people seeing you and all that?
And the answer is yes.
It does affect the society.
It has affected our society.
It's affected every society in the world, practically.
But it affects it in a specific way.
And it has to, and it is required to.
It affects it in such a way that it automatically leads to the ultimate building of a flying saucer as the years or centuries go on that has the ability to come back in time and visit us.
And when it comes back in time and visit us, it affects us in such a way, absolutely and positively, that it leads to the building of a flying saucer in the future, maybe 100 years, I don't know what, that ultimately flies back to us here in the present and changes the way in which we think about the world and this and that and ultimately leads to the building of a flying saucer which eventually has the ability to come this is a loop.
All right, Professor, if we're in the middle of the invasion you say we are, then an obvious question is, and one many are asking: what can we do about it?
If we decided that we don't like what's going on and we wanted to fight this, how in the Lord's name do we do it?
Yeah, and once again, there's a hell of a lot I don't know that just swamps what I do know, obviously.
But here's something.
Here's at least something.
There's a guy named Michael Mincin, and look him up on the internet if you want.
And he makes hats that look like baseball caps or World War II aviator hats.
And you can wear these at night if you want.
And adaptees swear that, in fact, it stops abduction.
It's got a special Velostat lining in it that prevents them from abducting people because they don't have the ability in some way to control people as much.
What we need is large groups of scientists and academics who can put their collective brains together and figure out a way to slow the phenomenon down or to stop it altogether.
Do they particularly care one way or another about us?
Well, they seem to be relatively either nice or neutral.
Unless you do something bad, then they can become very unnice and unneutral, like talking to me, for example, and they can't get people to stop talking to me, and they will use violence if all else fails to get out of it.
Well, look, with what you've been saying, if I had anything to do with this invasion and I had been hearing you speak on this program and or others, and I'm sure there have been many others, I'd have you ziolence pretty quick, Professor.
He looks just like an average joke, but his only thought is the security of the program.
And if an abductee is a security risk, that is to say, talking about this and telling people about it, like me, for instance, she has to be stopped or he has to be stopped.
I was doing a session once with a guy, and on our 10th session, this is a guy with a Ph.D., he sat bolt upright from the couch, and he looked at me and he said, I shouldn't be telling you this.
And I said, oh, okay, you know, and he got up and he walked out, and that was, he came to one get-together I had later on, and that was the last I ever saw of him.
He never had another session with me.
They gotten to him.
And I've had other people who've told me they shouldn't be telling me this.
And I say, oh, it's okay.
Don't worry about it.
And blah, blah, blah.
And they keep telling it.
And she, this one woman who's in the book, who is sort of the star of this book, Walking Among Us, they could not get her to stop talking to me.
And she was coming down here, and then she couldn't come down here anymore.
There was a reason for it, and we should go into the, I'll go into later.
But then we started doing sessions on the phone.
This was, I think, just pre-Skype, or neither of us had Skype yet.
And then they found out about that.
And that was bad, that was bad, that was bad.
Then she was writing emails to me, and I would ask her some questions in email, and she would remember things.
Then they learned about that.
And the security hybrid then wrote me a letter pretending to be her.
Well, he wrote me an email in the guise of her saying that, you know, whatever I have, he started out by calling me David, and whatever I've told you is wrong, you're not to believe anything I say, something like that.
And I said, well, of course, I don't ever believe.
I mean, she never called me David in her life.
She's always called me Dave, first of all.
But the thing was, is that this was not her writing.
And I literally, my hair stood on end.
And I asked him, I knew it was this guy writing.
And there's a lead up to that, how he did this.
There's stories relating to this.
He just didn't know how to do it.
I won't go into it, but she had to teach him how to do this.
And I said, but why are you saying that?
And then I tried to engage this person in conversation.
I engage him a little bit.
And finally, he said something to the point of, if you don't stop talking with her, he intimated that bad things were going to happen to her, that violence would happen to her.
And I just said, well, I don't want to see her hurt.
In other words, he dropped his pretense of being her and started to talk about her.
And so we did it in a way that was, we went to instant messaging.
One person's Hubert, who he was with, they slept in a tent.
And the guy would go into this sort of very light sleep for a few hours or something, and then he explained that he really didn't need sleep like we do.
And to spend all night talking to me means without ever saying, you know, I'm getting a little tired now.
I think I better get up.
Nothing like that ever escaped from this guy's lips.
And you're talking about gray aliens now, and then the question is, how are gray aliens manufactured?
See, I think that gray aliens are, in fact, hybrids themselves.
I think that they were made out of alien, the true alien DNA, probably from the insectolins, insect aliens, to, and they were bred to be a workforce, as is everybody on board the UFO.
They're all part of a workforce.
And the gray aliens, the one thing that bothered me about gray aliens, and I'll get to the sexual stuff in a second, the one thing that bothered me about gray aliens was their mouths.
I couldn't understand why they had a mouth.
It's actually a slit for a mouth.
They don't breathe.
They don't eat through their mouths.
They don't talk.
It's all telepathic.
They don't have any teeth.
They don't have any tongue.
They don't have an Adam's apple.
What the devil do they need a mouse for?
And I can see ears.
I can see holes for ears because if something falls over in a UFO, their attention has to be directed towards it.
They hear a thump or something like that.
You know what I mean?
It seems to me that that would make sense.
But the ears and even the nose a little bit, it bothered me.
And then I realized that they're probably hybrids.
They were bred not to reproduce themselves, but to be either continually hybridized as they become useless as time goes on or else just cloned.
And since I've written the book, I'm leaning more and more towards the cloned concept because they all look alike.
They then take the gamete or the zygote, and they instill it into the woman's uterus.
She gestates it for about 9 to 11 weeks.
It's then removed and then placed in gestation tanks with liquid nutrients in rooms that I call incubatoriums.
And I was all proud of myself when I wrote that in, I think, in Secret Life, and that I invented this word incubatorium.
And then I read some sort of, maybe it was the OED dictionary, and sure enough, there was a word called incubatorium.
So I got their lastus with Elestas.
But people are shown these things and said that some of these are babies floating in there, that some of them were theirs and all that.
And we don't know why they were shown that.
Maybe to make them start feeling attached to them for some reason or another.
And then eventually they're removed when it's time.
And that's it.
Now there's something else.
And the problem is getting the eggs.
They will, what I discovered once was that these beings would stare deeply into a female abductee's eyes.
The female may be laying on a table, let's just say, and this gray alien, usually a tall one as opposed to a small one, would come and stare directly into her eyes at a distance of, well, touching foreheads or a couple of inches.
And I would say to them, well, can you move your eyes back and forth, you know, avert their gaze?
Okay, well, again, identifying this as an attempt at weak humor, that is what we human males do with female humans when we want to try to have a closer relationship with them.
We stare at them and promise the moon and the stars and stuff like that, right?
This is touching into the optic nerve, which is the only nerve that can be seen from the outside of the body, And using it as a conduit to travel to any other neurological sites in the brain.
Because the key question to ask them at that point is: what's going on in your mind while they're doing this?
And they'll say, well, he's looking at the last two weeks or what I was doing the last couple of weeks.
He's looking at this, he's looking at that.
And people sometimes would feel different things happening in their body, something going up and down their shoulders, or their arm would go up and down or whatever.
And you see that he's hitting different neurological sites.
But the other thing that shocked me, I must say, was one time I said to this woman who was describing an event happened when she was 16 years old.
I said, well, what's going on in your mind?
What's happening?
And she said to me, well, you know, I really like him.
I really, really like him.
I really like him.
I hope he likes me.
And this is a 16-year-old sort of fawning over this bug-eyed monster alien staring into her eyes.
And I realized at that point, as other women were beginning to say the same thing, only in different ways, that they were stimulating sexual response.
And at the height of that stimulation of sexual response, they go down and take an egg.
I originally thought, and I wrote in life, that they were interested in human sexual response.
That's what they were testing us, they were experimenting, they were interested in human sexual response.
And the answer to that is they have no interest in human sexual response whatsoever, other than in some way it facilitates their taking of eggs.
And I don't know how that is done.
I don't know how that facilitates it, but that's what they do.
So, but that's why all I can do is say it facilitates them.
Now, I was once told or write an article about cows and in sexual intercourse, I even say that with a couple of cows, it does in fact stimulate an egg release with cows.
But we're not cows.
But I have so many cases of that, literally hundreds, that you know that they're doing it for a reason.
I had a question about, well, there's some researchers like John Keel and Jack Vallet who don't think that the UFO phenomenon is necessarily extraterrestrial.
And their research has kind of led them to think that it's been around all throughout history, but it appears in different guises.
And it's deceptive and reflective.
And so it changes to reflect back the material to support the beliefs of investigators.
And so my question for the doctor is, have you ever entertained the idea that maybe you're being used as a kind of tool by the phenomenon to push the extraterrestrial hybrid idea to cover up what it's actually doing?
Well, if that's the case, I wouldn't know it, I guess.
But the problem here is that what you have is a phenomenon where everybody around the world says the same thing, and they say it to different researchers as well.
It's not obviously to me, but if this were idiosyncratic, if this was just coming out of their minds, Everything would be different.
But because it's all the same, you know that they're all having the same experiences, and some of them just are remembered outright and are not working with anybody at all.
And it's still the same.
So the way I look at the world, I'm not like other people in that I just look at it sort of as a world where 2 plus 2 equals 4 and nobody is living in another world except, of course, our friends, the aliens.
I was thinking that it's a really unclandestine move to abduct somebody on their way to meet with you of all people.
But also, like, with the pregnancy thing, with what we can do with cloning now, it seems like they would have figured out a more efficient way to get DNA from people than eating the egg thing and then to have them incubate it and then have to abduct them again.
It's almost like they're doing it to draw attention to it because they should, with such advanced technologies, think that they would be able to hide it better or to cover up people's memories better because our government showed decades ago that they could cover up memories and make them not able to show up in hypnosis.
And so if they figured that out, I'm sure that this globalization would have figured it out too.
Well, actually, the salient thing you're saying there, which has always puzzled us from the very beginning, was why do they have to come back to women and to men and keep getting, well, especially women to keep getting eggs all the time?
Because what you've got is a couple hundred thousand follicles of which only maybe 500 may actually become eggs.
But they could take those follicles and just incubate them in some way and make them into full-fledged eggs and only have to do that to a woman once.
Why wouldn't they?
And the answer is we don't know the answer to that.
But there must be some logical reason.
The situation is that they don't tell us anything ever about what they're doing in terms of technology or experimentation or testing or anything like that.
We have no knowledge of this.
After all these years, after year after year after year of doing these for decades and decades, we still do not know what goes on during all the table procedures.
Quite frankly, I don't care because I think they know enough.
But I think it's mainly a neurological examination.
And I do notice the neural engagement with the optic nerve.
And one time they ran a flat object under a person's foot, and the foot flexed, and I recognized that as a reflexive test.
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But most of the other things they do, we have no idea what they do.
There has to be an engineered change in every abductee for them to be able to receive, for able to talk telepathically.
Being a telepath, being able to speak or hear telepathically, is not part of the human condition.
No, it isn't.
And if it was, we'd live in a different world.
And if only, as I try to tell people, if only 1% of humans in America or in any country were telepathic, we're truly telepathic, we live in a different world.
You know, the thing is, is that if you keep creating hybrids and you're doubling your efforts every time somebody gets married, and there's, you know, eventually everybody's going to be a hybrid, it seems to me.
I don't mean hybrid, I mean abductees.
Eventually, everybody will be an abductee if you keep doubling abductees just through marrying non-abductees.
And it would probably take a couple of centuries.
I had a guy work it out once, a mathematician, and he said it would take seven generations, but let's just say it takes 20 generations or whatever.
That means if it started in the year 5,000 B.C., you know, by the year 4,000 B.C., everybody would have been an abductee.
And if it started, you know, in the 14th century, by the 17th century or 16th century, everybody in the world would be an abductee.
So it doesn't go back that far because we know that there's only a...
Well, Bud Hopkins did a session with an older guy who was a kid in the 1920s and did an abduction event in the 1920s plus a whole bunch of other ones when he was older.
When I was doing research for my dissertation in Jim and Coral Lorenzen's APRO headquarters in Tucson, I read a letter about a kid who was visiting his grandparents' house, his parents had brought him there, in 1917.
And he was fooling around in the back area, there was a wooded area, and he came across a large silver object that was round, that was on the ground.
And then he noticed that there were three little people who were looking at him.
And he turned around and he ran and he ran home, and they ran after him, he said, and they didn't catch him, and he ran home.
Well, that's abductee speak.
That's an abductee story.
They were there for a reason.
He was there for a reason.
Something happened.
And then he forgot what happened, and then he ran home.
Three generations of abductees were standing in front of me, as they were broiled down to, at a conference I was at.
And they talked about their great-grandfather who had this unusual experience with a family story.
He, in some way, found himself in a dark area, a cave, they thought, and so he ran out.
And then he, quote, fainted in a field.
And when he woke up, there was a giant rabbit staring into his eyes.
And this is a family story.
And then there was the 1896, 1897 mystery airship wave, which is so much correlated to that, too.
So that's why I say with not much certainty, but a little bit, we could say it might go back to the late 19th century, last quarter of the 19th century, and with more certainty to the teens and with a lot more certainty to the 20s and 30s and obviously to the 40s when everybody was starting to see UFOs all over the place.
And you have to remember, though, that the UFOs are basically workshops.
They're carrying aliens who are doing their work.
We used to think that they're visiting, that they're here's another question for you then.
I did read your book, and I recall back in 2000 The Threat.
But Professor Jacobs, do you recall in your book, The Threat, that you were talking, taking a patient back in an hypnotic regression, and they stated that they were on the table on a UFO with a few grey-like beings around her, but also a tall, mean-like human being that wore a skull cap and had beard, as in like Flash Gordon-looking sort of mean.
Now, I understand, though, that your regression, that this mean being made it known to you that he was aware that you were regressing the patient's memory and that you were, in fact, being monitored, and he was aware of you during her abduction.
Do you recall this, Instant?
Can you elaborate on the details of what this being told you?
However, if that happened, that person would have been a hybrid.
And he might have known that the person who he was dealing with was working with me.
And that would not be good.
That would be bad.
And probably telling her to tell me to stop it or something like that or trying to get her to stop it.
And that goes on quite a bit, actually.
They all know that they figure out that the abductees who are working with researchers are security risks.
They're the ones who are saying things that they shouldn't be saying.
They are breaking the bounds of secrecy.
And so they get them to stop.
Now, looking like Ming, you have to be very careful with adductee testimony on how aliens look.
They they confabulate their very easily.
I once had a case where Abraham Lincoln showed up at a person's bedside, and he was Abraham Lincoln, and he had a beard, and he had his stovepipe hat on, and he was wearing a frock coat and all the rest of that stuff.
And that's confabulation, because as we went through the events that happened to her, she realized herself that that was not Lincoln, that was just this gray alien.
So you have to be a little bit careful with that.
And I'll have to go back and look and see exactly what I said in the book.
But knowing about people who are spilling the beans, who are security breaches, is something that they are always aware of.
And because they look into this person's mind and they can see she's been talking to me or talking to another researcher.
So far, it has meant very little.
But when hubrids started coming down and moving in, security went sky high.
I never saw anything like it.
Nobody had ever said anything like what security was like once the hubris were introduced into apartments and abductees were taking up the stories and this and that.
And so it was a much lighter sequence of events years ago than it is now.
Hi, I'm in Oakland, California, and I have a question for Dr. Jacobs.
Have you ever pondered the concept that maybe there is no grand design or grand scheme behind why the abductions themselves are happening?
That maybe what really is going on is we are a stop along the line in a school curriculum where they show up, they do this thing to people, and they're graded.
You know, it's just like people being, you know, going through a biology class and they have to dissect a frog or something like that.
Well, I mean, if you really stop and think about it, Professor, if you wanted to create an empire in system and planet after planet after planet, this is exactly how you would do it.
Other than giving me the name, tell me the rest of it.
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Okay, well, he was found with like 1,200-plus guns, over a ton of ammunition.
The person that reported the case left town and had her attorney contact the police.
And for about a week and a half, there were several stories, and all of a sudden, there was nothing in any of the media in Southern California about it.
Well, you know, this happens to people who are religious, people who are not religious, people who are ministers, people who aren't ministers, people around the world who have no idea what the mark of the beast is.
And not only that, but the aliens themselves do not know religion.
They don't understand it.
They don't get it.
Nor do they know music.
They don't get music either.
They don't understand it.
Or all sorts of things that you would think they would know automatically, but in fact, they have to sort of learn what it is.
And so I don't think it has any biblical implications.
And then the other thing, I don't think that the theory of these entities interfere at all with blowing up the religious idea for the Christian Bible because most of that stuff is mentioned that, you know, if you take the Creator aspect, that something created those entities as well.
And apparently they do have an evil abduction or sexual, some of the experimentations they do with children, including implants, would make their actions very, very evil and suspicious.
And I don't think it's in conflict with the Bible at all.
I want to remind you, the first-time caller line is Area Code 775-285-5800.
The public line is Area Code 952-225-5278.
And I want to remind the professor, not remind you, but inform you that a few days after I did the interview with you, maybe the next day, God was close, Doctor, I interviewed Nick Redfern.
And I'm telling you, he laid out point after point after point to the point I said, are you working with Dr. Jacobs?
Yes, well, I almost blamed some of it on the show, but go ahead.
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Okay, a couple of things.
First, I think we have a planetary defense lead here on the DNA because it will be different base human DNA, and we should be able, if we could keep a project secret, to find out how it's different and perhaps engineer a bug that would eat those.
Well, it would be good to give it to a DNA specialist and see if he can find anything that looks odd or different or anything at all.
There's got to be some sort of difference.
And once again, neurology, that's where the main thing would be.
I agree.
But the problem here is that there's not enough people who are working on this subject to be able to do this.
In other words, if we had 100 people who did abduction research, who were scientists and who knew what to do and who could go to a person's house after a session and find out if the hybrid ate anything and wiped his mouth on a napkin.
And I never even asked those things, of course, and it just you live and learn.
You go along and things occur to you later on.
And that's because there aren't a whole lot of people who do this kind of research.
And everybody who does this kind of research, absolutely everybody, is an amateur, including me.
And consequently, we need guidelines and we need people who can do DNA analysis and would not charge us a million dollars to do it, you know, do it gratis, hopefully.
Yeah, the other thing was, Professor, last show you were saying that a rare few people, when the mind control started, were able to snap out of it and not be controlled.
From your experience with hypnosis, would we be able to install a key that if someone detected the onset of that mind control, it would give them a rush of rage or something that would snap them out of it.
What I did was I had a person draw dots on his chest with different colored ink or pencils or something.
And I knew that they would notice that the gray aliens, in those days I thought everything was gray aliens, that the gray aliens would look at that and ask him, what's this?
You know, are you sick or something or whatever, you know, something they never saw.
And that then would open his mind to ask a question that we had agreed upon.
And it worked.
They said, what's this?
He remembered, oh, that's right.
I've got to ask that question.
And he didn't exactly snap out of it, but he suddenly was in a different mental state.
And then he became frightened that if he asked the question, they would know that he was knowing what was going on.
And he got scared at that, so he didn't say anything.
The question is, what if we've been planted here thousands of years ago to serve their procreation process later on when we reach, let's say, sufficient numbers?
The problem here is that you do have an archaeological record that is continually being filled in by the finding of bones.
Archaeology, or physical anthropology, rather, is bone-driven, you know, and the more you learn about more bones you find, the more you learn about early humans.
And there were different types of early humans, one of which arose above the others.
It's not just a tree.
It's not just a line of early humans and then more modern humans and more modern and then us.
It's more like a bush where you have early humans, they just sort of died out for various reasons, and other kinds of humans that died out, and then the Homo sapiens took precedence.
So there is that record, and it goes back millions of years.
And so in other words, there is the suddenness of the growth of the brain.
But that's always been explained through a mutation that took place in the brain, which helped the brain to grow and the cerebellum and all the rest of this stuff.
I've always sort of kept my distance from crop circles and from cattle mutilations because I don't think that there's enough evidence that they're aliens.
If, however, aliens are doing it, it's a peripheral event.
It might be ultimately, although they're not taking the whole cow or the whole horse or whatever, But it might be to produce food.
So let's just say tomorrow you get the DNA confirmation for yourself, and you find out what you're saying is 100% spot on.
Knowing that they've been doing it for so long, and chances are they'll have probably infiltrated government, media, probably lots of different places.
We're dealing with an advanced technological group, and we could try to bomb them with atomic bombs, but of course, we don't know where they are.
The whole thing is when you have technology that requires invisibility, it's really tough to set the Army or the Air Force on them.
Even if we find out, even if scientists figure out how to stop abductions, they might, because they're so technologically advanced, the aliens might find a workaround around whatever we do.