Ron Morehead, a 44-year Bigfoot researcher since 1971, and Scott Nelson, a retired U.S. Navy cryptolinguist, analyze Sierra Sounds recordings—validated by Al Berry’s University of Wyoming studies—revealing conversational turns, emotional tones, and even arguments between creatures. Horses stay calm near these sounds, unlike bears, hinting at intelligence beyond mere animal behavior. Morehead speculates on interdimensional or hybrid origins, citing Peru’s UFO-linked anomalies and creatures vanishing after gunfire, while Nelson sticks to linguistic evidence. Their findings challenge conventional views of Bigfoot, suggesting a far more complex, possibly telepathic species. [Automatically generated summary]
Then I notice every night I step on them and they're getting dirtier and harder to read every day.
All right, first, a little bit of news.
Tonight we have a show on Bigfoot, and oh, what a show we've got.
You will actually hear from Bigfoot, and you will hear perhaps what that language means.
It's going to be quite a show.
Anyway, first, a little bit of news.
Usually not good.
Tonight is no exception.
Russia continues to absolutely help us to death in Syria.
They are now firing cruise missiles.
You know, it looks like the typical, in fact, they showed it on CNN, looked just like a U.S. ship firing cruise missiles.
Might have been, actually.
I don't know.
Anyway, they are flying them 1,500 kilometers.
It's quite remarkable over Iran and Iraq, and then boom.
Problem is that the boom, for the most part, is on the CIA-supported rebels that are trying to overturn the government in Syria.
So the Russians continue to help us to death, and there is a problem with the fact that their jets are over Syria because so are ours.
So ours have ROEs, rules of engagement, that dictate when we get within 20 nautical miles of a Russian jet, we have to turn around and skiddot.
So I don't know what kind of rule that is.
Crazy.
I guess to prevent World War III.
Now, if we shoot down a Russian jet and then they shoot down one of ours and there ends up being a dogfight over Syria, well, that could lead to something very unpleasant, I'm sure.
Jerry Brown in California is getting very serious now about climate change in California.
And he is going to increase the California goals for climate change, committing the state to use just renewable energy for half its electrical goals.
Wow.
California uses a lot of electricity.
So to cover half of it with renewable is going to be quite a job, and he wants to do it by 2030.
That's remarkable.
Well, no, he wants 15 years.
He says they will do it, and they will switch half the electrical needs in California to renewable.
Over the pulsating beat at an exclusive nightclub, the armed smuggler made his pitch to a client.
Two and one-half million euros for enough radioactive cesium to contaminate several city blocks.
It was earlier this year, and we're just being told about it now, of course, and the men were plotting their deal at an unlikely spot, the terrace of Cocos Drive, a dance club and sushi bar in Chisinal, the capital of Moldova.
The words where you can make a dirty bomb, which would be perfect for this Islamic state, said the smuggler.
If you have a connection with ISIS, the business will go smoothly.
But the smuggler wasn't sure the client was for real, and he was right to be concerned because turned out to be an FBI guy.
And, you know, so that's that.
Anyway, that's also the news.
And not, well, wait, there's a little more.
It's been 50 years since we humans first realized that whales use sound to communicate, right?
They also use sonar to hunt, navigate, to see effectively.
That's how they see in the world.
So what if we call whale songs are actually sonic holograms?
Wonders Chris Savia, who advises those attempting whale interspecies communication to think like a whale.
Now, how do you think like a whale?
Or, how do you think like a Bigfoot?
All right, in just a moment, we are going to bring forth a couple of experts on Bigfoot.
How would that be?
One of them, I guess, is a Bigfoot researcher.
Would that be a good way to put it?
I think it would.
And the other is an interpreter of Bigfoot sounds.
Or, put another way, Bigfoot language.
And before the night is over, I suspect you're going to actually hear Bigfoot.
So if that tantalizes you, then I suggest you stay right where you are.
All right.
So here we go.
It is a Bigfoot kind of night.
First comes behind door number one, Ron Moorhead.
Now, Ron is an author, adventurer, and renowned researcher.
He has traveled the world doing research of the unexplained, undiscovered, underexplored for 40 years.
His research includes the scientific study of Bigfoot evidence, the possibility of connections between Bigfoot and the skeletons found in Peru and Bolivia, the Lovelock Cave, and the Minaret Skull as well.
He is recognized around the globe for the best Sasquatch audio recordings known as the Sierra Sounds.
Behind door number two, well, let's make sure we have Ron.
Behind door number two, we have retired from the U.S. Navy as a crypto linguist with over 35 years experience in foreign languages and linguistics, including the collection transcription analysis and reporting of voice communications.
He is a two-time graduate of the U.S. Navy Cryptologic Voice Transcription School.
Wow.
Both Russian and Spanish.
And has logged thousands of hours of voice transcription in his target languages as well as in Persian.
He is currently teaching Russian, Spanish, Persian, philosophy, and comparative religions at Wentworth College in Missouri.
And now, before we get started, behind door number three, calling from an isolated phone booth somewhere in Northern California, we have Mr. Foote.
Now, he prefers to be called a fur-bearing American, American native, actually.
He attended Forest University, has learned to avoid large gatherings, actually any gatherings at all, and he spends most of his time seeking edible vegetation.
His hobbies include leaving puzzling scat dumps and occasional footprints in the dirt.
He is here tonight to deny his very existence and therefore will actually have absolutely nothing to say.
He will, however, be monitoring every word for authenticity.
I, with some other hunters, encountered these creatures in a remote area of the Sierras, and they started interacting with us, and we were fortunate enough to record their vocalizations.
And thus, the Sierra sounds, which a lot of people have heard, they've been studied.
And anyway, it got me involved in it.
And ever since then, I've been looking, trying to figure out what it was all about and what giants are all about, because these things are huge.
And I was trained in it well in the analysis and reporting and voice transcription in two languages and had to learn my third language on the job, Persian.
Wow.
That's what we do for a living, is listen to the human voice on tape.
Okay, so I'm not sure how the two of you actually came together, but I will ask this.
When you first heard these sounds that Ron had come up with, did you immediately hear coherence in them?
Or did you go, come on, or let me listen more closely?
Or what was your reaction?
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Well, when I first stumbled upon them with my son, and we were just kind of Googling information for a report he had to do, and I stumbled upon these sounds on a website, and upon the first run through, I heard something that I had to hear again, so I went back over it, and I went back over it, and I went back over it, and my son finally said, Dad, snap out of it.
You know, what are you doing?
I said, Stephen, this is not a human being on these tapes, yet they are speaking a language.
And my son said, what are you talking about, Dad?
It sounds like coyotes or apes fighting.
I said, I know it does, son, but there's language here.
What you have to do in order to hear it is slow it down like dad used to do in the Navy.
I said, we've got to get a hold of these tapes.
So through a little bit of detective work, I got a hold of Ron, and within several days, Ron had all three of the tapes to me.
And you listened to them for how long before you began to realize that you were actually hearing a language?
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Oh, I could tell right away.
Really?
I could tell right away.
Oh, yeah.
Absolutely.
And I think it was probably because of how many hundreds into the thousands of hours I spent listening to the human voice on tape, speeding the tapes up, slowing them down.
Sure.
You know, that that's why I immediately recognized, even with the rapid delivery that these vocalizations are given us, I could tell that if you slowed them down, you would hear articulated phonemes exactly like humans do.
I know I'm getting way ahead of myself, but the next question for you is, if you recognize it as a language, can you then give meaning to what we're going to hear?
Okay, Given's got more examples or even many, many, many examples of sounds.
Would that give you the key you need or the mass you need to decipher?
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Yes, we would hope that eventually we would be able to decipher, but our greatest hope would be to actually eventually sit down and have a conversation.
Because that's really the only way to truly verify the meaning of what we would call words, sentences, etc.
is to sit down with the speaker to verify the meanings of each and every morpheme.
You would need to, for example, observe a Bigfoot, even if you didn't have a conversation with him, you would observe him doing something, and there would be a sound attached to that something, and you would slowly begin to put meanings together or what?
We were trying to get more cooperative sounds for him.
But they're very elusive and they're very, I guess, sensitive to the human exploitation of them.
And it just hasn't worked out yet that we're able to record them again.
Sometimes you'll hear them, but you're not walking around with your recorder on all the time.
And it's just a battle, or I shouldn't say a battle.
It's just an ongoing quest, I guess, To get that.
But that hasn't been what I've been trying to do so much.
That's what Scott, I think, has been wanting to do.
We've spent quite a bit of time up there, 2009 on to 2011, I guess it was.
But it's never able to capture the sounds like we did in the 70s.
I've heard them, as he may have also, but again, you're not running around with your tape recorder on all the time.
And just, I don't know, these things are, there's an enigma associated with these, which we can get into, but I think they're a lot more intelligent than what we gave them credit for in the 70s.
We underestimated what we were dealing with at the time.
And it's just been an ongoing adventure for me is trying to find out just what they're all about, trying to connect the dots, so to speak, and what they might be.
First of all, I don't try to prove that to anybody because the facts are going to prove themselves.
The Patterson film of 1967 is pretty much accepted now.
A lot of people have tried to debunk it and all, but I know Bob Gimlin quite well, who was there, and I just believe he's a trustworthy person in my eyes.
And our sounds, because the Patterson film shows the animal walking across a place in Bluff Creek, but our sounds kind of give you more of an insight into the nature of these creatures.
And as you can see, or as you will see, when we play the sounds, they go from a very antagonistic sound, which I think they were trying to skew us out, into a more of a communicative type attitude.
Actually, that was the next thing I was going to ask Scott, and that is, if you cannot translate for us what we're going to hear, and obviously you cannot, can you, I mean, no matter what language you're speaking, there are certain things that come through, certain emotions that come through.
You can hear all of the, virtually all of the emotions with both the Berry tape and the Moorhead tape together.
I mean, you can hear the whole spectrum of emotions from one point where it even sounds like one of them is making a joke and laughing at his own joke.
Well, pretty much we're looking for them pretty hard, even with infrared, down-looking, infrared, whatever, heat signature stuff, and we don't find the Bigfoots.
So maybe they are smarter than us because they successfully stay away from us, right?
Authorities in Moldova have arrested smugglers attempting to sell cesium-135 to terrorists in the Middle East.
According to the Associated Press, the next exchange had been meant to supply Islamic State extremists with enough radioactive materials to construct a dirty bomb.
AP has uncovered numerous instances in recent years in the former Soviet state where members of criminal networks in Moldova were caught attempting to exchange the radioactive materials.
In an undercover tape, Moldovan authorities reveal a smuggler who states, they could make one of those dirty ones, you know, make a dirty bomb if you've heard of such things.
The level of radiation is high, and these explosions spread material over a territory.
It's bad for the health, that's the method.
Moldovan authorities still note that the threat of a device is still very real, stating, until we know where the substances seized in Europe came from and where they were going to, only then will we be able to say for sure that the danger is no longer present.
A recently discovered human ancestor may have used primitive tools and walked much like a human.
Homo nilate, discovered in a South African cave, also participated in complex burial practices.
According to anthropologist Jeremy DeSilva, our science has known for decades that upright walking, bipedalism, preceded Brain enlargement over the course of human evolution, but never before has it been so obvious.
Homo nilate possessed a strikingly modern human-like foot, even though its brain was only about one-third of the size of our brains today.
The estimated age of these fossils has not yet been determined.
Wildlife may have made a big comeback at the Chernobyl exclusion site in the Ukraine.
Elk, deer, and wild boar within the Belarusian part of the exclusion zone have been found to be biologically similar to wildlife in four other uncontaminated nature reserves and nearby regions.
Wolf numbers are now seven times higher in the zone than in other comparable areas.
The wildlife are thought to be thriving from the absence of agriculture, forestry, and hunting.
The area is still deemed unsafe for human habitation.
A report by the National Science Foundation has found that scientists in Antarctica really liked to party.
The audit warned of unpredictable behavior from scientists consuming massive amounts of alcohol.
According to the report, intoxication led to fights, indecent exposure, and employees arriving to work under the influence.
75% of disciplinary incidents reported were related to misuse of substances.
While McMurdo Base has three bars and alcohol may be purchased at the Amundsen Scott South Pole station, it is illegal to partake in spirits during working hours.
The new report may lead to mandatory breathalyzer tests for employees in the near future.
This has been Amy Martin with Dark Matter Network News.
But when you slow it down, especially, I mean, if you listen to it long enough, even the layman can hear that you have a female and a male having discourse, conversational turns, where they take turns in speaking to each other.
Yeah, so you listen to it enough, you can hear it even at real time.
You don't have to slow it down.
But slowing it down makes it very evident to anybody that's ever sat to our presentation and listened to it, walks away knowing that they're listening to a language.
And anyway, if we took canned stew up there on our mules or something, we would use that.
Whatever we had out is what they would generally take.
Until one time we left some rotten meat out, basically.
At that time, we thought they'd eat about anything like a bear would, but we had just dug a hole earlier that summer and had some fresh amount Of dirt and left that bad meat out, and they took it and buried it under that dirt.
I have a picture that's a big handprint over that mound, and underneath that handprint was the meat that we left out.
Scott, if you had the opportunity to go along with Ron up into the deep woods where you're liable to encounter these creatures, would you go or would you wait for the tape?
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I've gone, actually, me and my son Stephen have gone up several times with Ron.
Really?
And several times Ron and I have gone up by ourselves.
We've had quite a few interesting adventures, you could say.
Any of them involving Bigfoot?
Yes, a few.
We've had things thrown at us.
We've had strange sounds around the camp.
Ron heard a morpheme scream in the middle of the night, which we were unable to record.
If you can't see the source occasionally or see some evidence of the source, you don't really know.
It sounds like maybe one is, I believe some of those screams back and forth are maybe a mother looking for its young or a male looking for a mate or that may have been just trying to induce the dogs that I heard barking too.
I've heard them up at our area screaming out at a distance and you'd hear a bunch of coyotes off in the distance.
Ron Moorhead, who is an author, adventurer, and renowned researcher, Bigfoot researcher, is with us, as well as Scott Nelson, who is, believe it or not, a crypto-linguist.
This guy has a lot of experience with the U.S. Navy.
Went to the U.S. Navy's cryptologic voice transcription school, Russian and Spanish, and on and on and on.
Knows about language and says that's what we're hearing here is language, right?
That sound that we heard that was like or clicking, or I can't duplicate the sound, but was that a sound produced by the creature or was he banging on something?
Based on all the evidence I've found over 40 some odd years of researching this and what I've found in our camp too, there's been some very strange things happen in our camp besides just these vocalizations.
We've had lights following us around.
I've seen a control light come down, which I don't know if it was unidentified to me, but it was control, big blue light, come down close to our camp and just get lost behind the trees.
There's been sounds that we don't quite know how to interpret.
There was a time when we were in our shelter, we heard what we thought our camp was being torn apart.
Metallic sounds like the cans and everything we packed in on our mules were just being tossed around everywhere.
We had barrels up there that's been banged on.
We look out there thinking we're going to see a mess and nothing's been disturbed.
I mean, nothing has changed.
And how does that compute?
It's either mass hypnosis or you're hearing it into another dimension that you don't see.
Something, I guess you can call it paranormal because it certainly wasn't normal.
And there's been in the daytime, you hear a big tuning fork sound, like there's a huge spaceship right over your head, but you're not seeing anything, but you hear it.
And it's just things like that happen.
We've heard clicking noises.
We don't know what to make of.
Follow us around.
And yeah, I think there's something different going on with these things.
And I've got my ideas.
I've been all over the world studying these things, down in Peru mostly, and that's where it really put me over the edge because I found some things that are not human down there.
And UFOs are commonplace in Central and South America.
For Scott, Scott, what is this that in your mind, after all your study, absolutely makes this a language?
But what parts of it say this is a language?
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Well, first off, the Berry Mohood tapes display virtually every characteristic of human language that there is.
The most important being, again, the conversational turns between two creatures, taking turns, speaking to each other back and forth, the repeating of morphemes, or what we might call syllables or minimal words between the two of them, you know, exactly the way humans do.
That was one of the three conclusions I came to immediately upon hearing it.
That's what blew me away so quickly is that I spent a whole career listening to the human voice on tape, and I had been trained in every method of deception possible.
I was a Russian analyst, so, you know, and the Russians were the best.
During the Cold War, the Russians were the best.
And I was trained in every deceptive method that the Russians used.
And when I first heard these, my first impression was that even the Russians could not have faked these.
Especially not in 1974.
And at the time, I didn't know that they had already been analyzed by a sound expert, Dr. Curlin from the University of Wyoming, and he had already proven that, that the tapes could not have been faked.
would think that they they would make it their business to figure out what we mean by specific morpheme streams do you think uh going back to ron for a second uh ron that these are uh creatures that were here long before man or do you think these are creatures that uh have i don't know i've How long have they been around?
They don't need protection like a lot of people think we've got to kill one so you can protect them.
That's ridiculous.
If anything, we need protection.
But they are multiplying.
There are small ones being seen.
What they are and why they're here, because they still stay hidden from man.
They don't come out and expose themselves to humans unless it's by accident.
They're bigger, stronger, very stealthy.
They're cognizant beings.
At least the ones I dealt with, they're cognizant.
And that tells me something.
They have language.
Why are they here?
And what are they doing?
Why are they holding back?
If they could trust anybody, they should be able to trust me.
I've never threatened them.
I've been up there.
I've been up there and had them around me, and yet they won't come out and shake my hand or tell me more about them so I can discuss this with the world like I'm doing now.
We've discussed this on the show recently about whether, for example, a human being, do you have the ability to know when somebody is staring at you?
You probably think you do, but I had someone tell me, a doctor, the other night, that you don't.
I disagree with that.
I think that you do know when somebody's staring at you.
And moreover, I also think you know when a threat is close to you, unless you're really dense and you've been playing too many computer games and you're so out of touch with the world that you don't feel it.
But, you know, there is this thing with the hunter and sort of just before the trigger gets squeezed or the bow and the arrow lets go, the buck suddenly raises up and knows something's about to happen.
Well, he wrote a book, a Bantam book in 1978, I think it was, 76 it was, about our, up there.
And he ended up believing it inside, but still the science in him wanted to not believe it because of the strangeness that was going on.
How could these things not leave more evidence besides their tracks?
We had a man go up there, a wildlife biologist, to do a Floraflanta study just at the suggestion of a scientist to see if there was any evidence of any nails in a tree or speaker wires in the ground or anything like that.
And we stayed up there three days, he and I did, and he did a thorough research.
I wrote about this in my book, Voices in the Wilderness, and then give his report in there, at least in part, because I don't want to give away the location.
But he couldn't find any evidence of something like that.
Of course, we knew it wasn't happening.
But again, we're eight miles back in the wilderness.
Well, Scott, going again back to that first recording, which was really awesome and seemed like a talk between or an argument even between a man and a wife.
Have you identified in any of the recordings fear, outright fear?
The device, which can dynamically identify UAVs and lock onto targets detected in a specified no-fly zone, features a directional antenna which effectively shoots down the drones through signal jamming radio interference.
The device is scheduled for distribution through Colorado-based company LightEye and hopes to be sold to governments and airports.
A V-shaped UFO has been reported recently as captured on film in Plush, Oregon.
According to the eyewitness who was camping at the time, an extremely bright white light appeared in the western sky as if an aircraft with landing lights was flying directly toward the campsite.
The witness reports, suddenly, one at a time, bright orange lights dropped out of the area where the first bright light had been.
The orange lights faded away almost immediately, much faster than a typical flare drop from a military aircraft and much brighter.
The object suddenly appeared northwest of the initial sighting, preceded by a bright white light and more orange lights falling from it again.
This was witnessed a third time at the location of the original craft, with this series of lights alternating again back to the site in the northwest.
Photos can be found in MUFON report 70932 on the Mutual UFO Network website MUFON.com.
Owners of the house which inspired the blockbuster film The Conjuring are reportedly suing Warner Brothers following threats of violence and hordes of investigators looking to capture poltergeist in a Rhode Island farmhouse.
The couple, who weren't the owners of the property at the time of the original paranormal incident, claim the property was inundated by curiosity seekers and trespassers who, at all hours of day and night, come to and on the property, approach and seek to enter the house, take photographs and videos, ignore the no trespassing signs, fences, and barriers installed.
The movie itself chronicles the real-life memoirs of Ed and Lorraine Warren.
The paranormal investigators, made famous by the Amityville horror incident, also founded the oldest ghost hunting group in New England in 1952.
The sequel to The Conjuring, scheduled to debut in 2016, will feature the Infield Poldergeist incident, also made famous by the Warrens, though many still consider the original incident to be a hoax.
Butt dialing is currently putting a strain On emergency management systems all over the world.
According to a study in San Francisco, over 30% of calls placed to the 911 center are indeed accidental.
For every accidental call, a dispatcher spends an average of one minute and 14 seconds to leave each number a voicemail message.
This has been Amy Martin with Dark Matter Network News.
When bear come around our camp, which we've got a lot of bear up there, they would fuss a lot, but they didn't fuss when these things were around.
In fact, when we'd go out, sometimes we'd go out walking in the daytime, just hiking or something, and a horse would leave our horses there, and we'd come back and find some bigfoot prints around our horses where they came in and examined our horses.
Now the next thing, you know, we could go on and on about this, but even with the three-hour show, we're pressed a little because I want to allow callers and stuff like that.
So the next one says, vocal exchange two.
So is this kind of like the first one we heard, only different?
Again, I write about that in my book, but they knew who we were.
They evidently saw us come in at the bottom when we packed our animals to head up there.
And they knew where we were going.
We found a huge track on the trail after our animals had got spooked.
We weren't sure what it was.
Could have been a bear, could have been a deer, could have been anything, but we saw this big track sometime later perpendicular to the trail.
So we thought, well, okay, they're still around.
It's fresh.
No one else had been on the trail at all.
And after so far, you don't leave a trail, you go different ways, so we didn't leave a trail.
But when we got to camp, it soon started getting dark when we started hearing the rocks going together and the whooping and then the interaction just heard and some more besides that.
But we found a huge track in front of our shelter the next morning, actually.
We knew it was made before we got there because Bill's dust cover off his rifle had fell into the track and it hadn't been crushed down.
It was just tilted up on the track.
So that track was made before we got there.
But that's not the end of the story.
Earlier that year, we had re-roofed the shelter with some fresh plastic, cut some with a machete, cut some vines off over at the spring, some alders, put it up on top of the shelter.
They were pretty dried up by the time this came around.
And next morning we found two fresh alders been twisted off of the spring and laid up there.
And these we found where they were actually twisted off.
They were inch and a half around.
No human could do that, but it took an opposable thumb to make that happen.
What strength they got to have.
But that's kind of like they knew we were coming, where we were going.
I don't know what, but we were just, again, when they started off that evening, we just ignored them.
That's how you get them to come in.
And we were just, we had a stove fire going.
We packed a stove up there years before and assembled it after we got up there on mules.
But we were just there, had built a fire, basically had our horses out, and when these things started doing all this stuff, we got our little recorders out of our saddlebags and set them up and started recording the things.
It was an exciting evening, and again, that's the evening that we both got to get glimpses of them.
My daughter, all the guys have just got all of them, stuff Alberti got to get glimpses of these things.
My daughter has seen some really clearly.
And she described it as a seven-foot-tall, slender male, and just broad shoulders.
But when it turned, it doesn't turn its whole body.
They don't seem like they have a neck.
They've got to have a neck, but they don't turn their neck.
We have two experts with us: one an investigator, the other a linguist, a crypto-linguist at that, and a lot of experience with Bigfoot between them.
So if you have questions about what you've heard, oh, by all means, I'm going to open up the lines.
We're headed shortly into a break, but I'm going to open up the lines.
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So with all of that information down, knowing we're ready to take calls, I invite you to pick up the phone and ask whatever you would like.
But these are the clearest, wildest Bigfoot sounds I've ever heard in my life.
We're going to replay that number one.
That was awesome.
I'm Art Bell, and this is Midnight.
We have two guests with us tonight: Ron Moorhead, a researcher for a very long time now, 40 plus years, and Scott Nelson, who is a cryptolinguist with 35 years experience.
And we're talking Bigfoot.
Boy, have we been talking Bigfoot.
So, gentlemen, welcome back.
I want to play that number one again because it's so impressive.
I would take it that because you played it first, you probably brought it to me because it's one of your better or even best samples.
I worked with the BFRO up here in Washington State.
We know a lot of the same people, Tom Yams and Paul up here in Washington and whatnot.
I had a question for you.
One thing I've never heard, and maybe you mentioned it tonight.
I missed the first hour and a half or so.
What do you suppose happened to that family group that was in there?
Are you still getting reoccurring things happen?
I know there's been, if I understand correctly, the area is still undeveloped and pretty remote, but I never heard what the follow-up over the years has been with that group that was in there.
I've been unable to get in there since then just because of a fire, the road being closed off or something.
But the actual area is still there and still intact.
That was my last encounter I had.
I don't know if it's the same family group.
I tend to think it is because there were young ones involved in the 70s.
And I don't know how old these things live to be, but they seem to recognize me or want to, for some reason or another, not show themselves physically, but they'll let me know they're there.
And they certainly let me know they were there in 2011.
Scott Nelson and I had been up there three times that summer for a weekend's time trying to capture more vocalizations.
And a few little things happened.
But after he left to go back to work, I went up there by myself, which is really not a smart thing to do.
You get hurt in a lot of ways.
But one of them came around and made a big wood knock right outside this little tent I'd set up.
And I heard some chatter going on, and then it started walking around.
And basically, it was daylight when they first made themselves known.
But I didn't see anything.
I just heard it right there, like a 44 magnum going off right outside my tent.
And anyway, that was 2011.
I think it's the same family group, but again, who knows?
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Yeah, I've experienced those wood knocks real close in the dark.
It's startling, to say the least.
I had one more question if I have time, Art.
You do?
Oh, no, I forgot what it was.
I saw on Facebook here that you might be doing a couple shows, some Bigfoot conventions and whatnot in the next year.
I was wondering if there's anything you wanted to talk about there.
And then I had an Opportunity to sit down with Bob Gimlin a few years ago.
And when you talk to Bob, of course, he was the other half of the Patterson footage.
Bob was there with Roger when they got that footage there.
When you talk to Bob, you know, he's kind of iffy as to whether or not that encounter was something he wished had happened in his life.
He's had a lot of negativity come of the publicity and whatnot.
Of course, he's made up for it in recent years.
But overall, he kind of has said that he wished if he had it all over to do again that it didn't happen to him just because of that.
How do you feel?
If you had it to do all over again, would if you have done the recordings and brought them forward and all of that?
Or would you wish you'd kind of kept it to yourself?
I've seen that film as much, not as much as anybody, but I've seen it a lot, and I've never looked for that specifically because Bob said he didn't see anything and anything else.
But we heard the clanking, and it sounded like what guttural-type voices, but they were much in the distance.
But you could definitely hear the clanking of rocks and what sounded like guttural-type communication.
And they were in two different directions, like you guys said, almost a communication.
I'm not going to give the location.
It's just somewhere off of 395 there.
But yeah, that sent chills down my spine when I heard that one.
And what kind of made me laugh and really call in is one day I took off the trail because we had a base camp set and way off the trail and I found a pyramid of spam cans.
Just, I mean, I don't know why they were in that shape and it was all stacked up, but it was a pyramid of spam cans that had been tore open.
It looked like, you know, bitten into, tore open.
And I just thought it was funny.
It was like a monument almost.
And I just kind of cracked up there.
A monument to spam.
Well, I heard him say he left spam cans, and they were old cans.
And this was in the early 80s when I used to go.
So I just kind of thought that was funny, and I cracked up.
Cassettes is all we had during the 70s when these things were real close to us.
I use a H2 zoom in now, which is very small, very lightweight.
It'll record it omnidirectional four or four different channels, and you can put lithium batteries in that with a large chip, and it'll last a long time.
That very night I told you when they came around my camp in 2011 when I was there by myself, I had my little digital recorder with brand new lithium batteries in it.
And when I heard them chattering, I heard it going on.
Albert Osman was taken away, supposedly, in his report of 1934, interviewed by John Green in the 50s, and he supposedly was kidnapped, carried away, and held by a captive, by a family, two adolescents and a male and a female in an area in Canada.
This is up the Toba Inlet.
I researched that when I flew over it with my plane for seven hours one day, trying to find where he was, but could not find the spot.
There have been many people who have asked if there is any reason to think that somebody who is a pilot like you with some sort of downward-looking heat signature, something or another, might be able to look for these creatures.
If you're going to see one, it's going to be by accident.
I know the technology is there, but my gosh, how much you'd have to fly to pick one up.
You'd have to know the weight of it or have some heat-seeking technology that would actually, you could limit the size of the creature to 1,000 pounds, 800 pounds.
Otherwise, you'd be picking up every rabbit and varm it around.
I would think, though, that in the winter, for example, or the colder weather, it would be very easy to spot with heat signature, you know, as opposed to the background ground.
There's a lot of enigmas associated with these creatures, and I do believe that when they're in our dimension, our three-dimensional world that we live in, for if you want to count time, that they have to respond and live by art rules.
But I think they may have some alien something in the DNA that maybe got altered from a caveman or a great ape or something.
Yeah, I would leave it to the family as, as you know, the person bugs has passed away.
And I really, really, really feel that it's up to the family To decide whether to release the map or whatever.
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Have you heard the same thing out there that many of us have heard about the NSA showing up at his door with your map and making them take him to the graves of the Bigfoots that he has?
Earlier on in the interview, guys, you mentioned that at some point in the discussion that some of the audio might have people take a second sobering thought about reaching out to these creatures.
And I'm just curious if that's exactly what you were referring to there.
And if DNA can be manipulated or presented in, which I think it can, these things, in my opinion, are hybrids, and they possibly have alien something in them, which gives them attributes which we aren't quite understanding totally yet.
I wanted to ask Scott and Ron, if that meat was rank, which it was, and they buried it, and they like to seem to eat cooked meat, have you ever found any indication that there is any fires that they've had, you know, with the leftover kindling or anything that they've used or ashes or anything?
Hey, recently I watched a show on Discovery or Nat Geo, one of those channels, where they were talking about trying to figure out if dolphins were actually speaking a language.
And they actually put it on a curve and each little squeak and everything.
It was just like English, you open a book and count how many ands and thes and ors, and you put it in a graph, and it comes out to a perfect curve, which would tell them that it's an actual language.
They did that with the dolphins, and they could tell that they were actually speaking a language.
I was wondering if these tapes have been subject to that type of scrutiny to find out if it is an actual language.
Scott would answer yes to that regarding these sounds, but I think a better question is what he set up.
Scott, are you aware of that they're looking for language abilities in dolphins?
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Well, I don't know of that particular study, but it's been postulated for many years that whales, for instance, and dolphins and other animals have communicative exchanges, if you will.
But the difference in these tapes is that this is language by the human definition of it.
We can call those other things whale utterances if you want.
We can call that language if you want, but it's not language by the human definition of it.
Whereas these utterances are articulated exactly in the same way that humans do.
Yeah, the way I understood the study, though, was that they could take any book in any language and take all the words out of that book, throw them in, and then they start counting how many ands, buts, or this, that.
Yes, and then the least frequent word would make an arc.
X-Files creator Chris Carter says he will be basing the new series due in January on NSA links provided by Edward Snowden.
Carter states, every day I look at the newspaper and I see a possible X-Files episode.
Though he admitted to The Guardian that he still considers himself to be a skeptic, it's clear to see that Carter still wants to believe.
The six-part series airing on January 24th could be merely the beginning as Carter seems to be planning for future episodes.
A video emerged a while back on YouTube depicting a long procession of white trucks with blue and red strobe lights escorting what appears to be a large disc-shaped object being hauled on the back of a 16-wheeler.
Like something straight out of science fiction, the object which appears to be supported by at least three massive legs and wrapped in white plastic initially raised numerous questions to viewers.
What was this object and why was it being escorted seemingly by law enforcement?
Users have reported that this object has been identified as the $813 million X-47B project, an unmanned aerial combat vehicle engineered by aerospace company Northrop Grumman.
Originally intended just for demonstration, the Navy has decided to keep the vehicle in flying condition pending further development.
What's Florida Man up to this week?
Apparently, a Libertarian Senate candidate from Florida who goes by the name Augustus Saul Invictus claims to have spent a week in the Mojave Desert where he fasted and allegedly drank the blood of a goat in a ritual sacrifice.
The 32-year-old attorney who changed his name to the Latin phrase meaning majestic unconquered son admits, I did sacrifice a goat.
I know that's probably a quibble in the minds of most Americans.
I sacrificed an animal to the god of the wilderness.
Yes, I drank the goat's blood.
Wildlife may have made a big comeback at the Chernobyl exclusion site in the Ukraine.
Elk, deer, and wild boar within the Belarusian part of the exclusion zone have been found to be biologically similar to wildlife in four other uncontaminated nature reserves and nearby regions.
Wolf numbers are now seven times higher in the zone than in other comparable areas.
The wildlife are thought to be thriving from the absence of agriculture, forestry, and hunting.
The area is still deemed unsafe for human habitation.
The vaguely blue-black Halloween whopper by Burger King is reportedly turning excrement green.
While the fast food chain won't reveal potential ingredient culprits, the Washington Post speculates that it is most likely caused by a combination of dyes in the bun.
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This has been Amy Martin with Dark Matter Network News.
I mean, in terms of the Bigfoot world, it's great stuff.
Here's something I want to ask about its rights.
As American citizens, we have lots of rights under the Constitution.
As it sits right now, Bigfoot has no rights.
And I wonder if that's something that you've given much thought to, whether there has to be some sort of legislative or constitutional change or something that protects these creatures, because otherwise, if they can be shot, they will be eventually shot.
If you want to believe the Bible and believe some of the things it says, there's going to be alien intervention into our humanity, stronger than it was before in the days of Noah.
That was the reason for the flood.
I get into the spirituality of what these things could be, what we are as spiritual beings, or what we are as human beings.
And basically, I think they could be entangled quantumly by their creator, whoever it is.
And I think it could be aliens.
And that sounds a little out there, but I said that 10 years ago.
I'd been probably locked in Looney Tunes.
But I know aliens have been here.
I've seen evidence of it.
They could be here now.
I think we need to watch for inundation of it because they are going to offer humanity advanced technology.
And that's what you've got to watch for because that's what they gave us in the days of Noah.
The only thing we could capture was their sounds, the vocalizations.
Again, as I mentioned in your first hour, we underestimated what we were dealing with, their intelligence level, their awareness, their intuitiveness.
Underestimated it totally.
And we never could snap a picture.
We had three cameras thrown off a tree, broken, open with a thread to trigger them six foot high, and right where they'd been coming in after the food, and we couldn't capture it.
You'll find Ron, Scott, you'll find our audience a very receptive audience.
Like, we're open to thoughts, and everybody has a right to voice their opinions.
But we are generally a very, very receptive audience.
Now, you've answered all the questions that I had when I was putting on hold.
So I guess I just want to thank you then for coming onto the show.
And you have to come back with more recordings and explore this hybrid and paranormal, because I think they are popping in and out of our dimension, and that's why you don't see bodies.
I was wondering if any of you have heard of John Keel.
He writes a lot about cryptozoology and he kind of goes into the paranormal thing with Bigfoot a little bit and relates it to things like the Mothman and I don't know, kind of similar things.
But he talks a lot about some kind of maybe they can go onto a different frequency that shares the same space as us, but it's on just a different frequency like radio waves.