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Oct. 7, 2015 - Art Bell

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Art Bell MITD - Ron Morehead & Scott Nelson Sounds of Sasquatch

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	Again, they go on the floor, and I notice every night I step on them, and they're getting dirtier and harder to read every day.
	All right, first a little bit of news.
	Tonight we have a show on Bigfoot, and oh, what a show we've got.
	You will actually hear from Bigfoot, and you will hear Perhaps what that language means.
	It's going to be quite a show.
	Anyway.
	First, a little bit of news.
	Usually not good.
	Tonight is no exception.
	Russia continues to absolutely help us to death in Syria.
	They are now firing cruise missiles.
	You know, it looks like the typical, in fact they showed it on CNN, looked just like a U.S.
	ship firing cruise missiles.
	Might have been, actually.
	I don't know.
	Anyway, they are flying them 1,500 kilometers.
	It's quite remarkable over Iran and Iraq and then boom.
	Problem is that the boom, for the most part, is on the CIA-supported rebels that are trying to overturn The government in Syria.
	So, the Russians continue to help us to death, and there is a problem with the fact that their jets are over Syria, because so are ours.
	So, ours have ROEs, rules of engagement, that dictate when we get within 20 nautical miles of a Russian jet, we have to turn around and skedad.
	So I don't know what kind of rule that is.
	Crazy.
	I guess to prevent World War III.
	Now if we shoot down a Russian jet and then they shoot down one of ours and there ends up being a dogfight over Syria, well that could lead to something very unpleasant I'm sure.
	Jerry Brown in California is getting very serious now about climate change in California.
	And he is going to increase the California goals for climate change, committing the state to use just renewable energy for half its electrical goals.
	Wow!
	California uses a lot of electricity.
	So to cover half of it with renewable is going to be quite a job and he wants to do it by 2030.
	That's remarkable.
	Well, no, he wants 15 years.
	He says they will do it, and they will switch half the electrical needs in California to renewable.
	Wow!
	Good luck, Jerry.
	Over the pulsating beat at an exclusive nightclub, the armed smuggler made his pitch to a client.
	Two and one half million euros for enough radioactive cesium to contaminate several city blocks.
	It was earlier this year, and we're just being told about it now, of course.
	And the men were plotting their deal at an unlikely spot, the terrace of Coco's Drive, a dance club and sushi bar in Chisinau, the capital of Moldova.
	The words were, you can make a dirty bomb, which would be perfect for this Islamic State, said the smuggler.
	If you have a connection with ISIS, the business will go smoothly.
	But the smuggler wasn't sure the client was for real, and he was right to be concerned because turned out to be an FBI guy.
	And you know, so that's that.
	Anyway, um, that's also the news, uh, and not, well, wait, there's a little more.
	It's been 50 years since we humans first realized that whales use sound to communicate, right?
	They also use sonar to hunt, navigate, to see, effectively.
	That's how they see in the world, so... What if we call whale songs are actually sonic holograms?
	Wonders Chris Savia, who advises those attempting whale interspecies communication to think like a whale.
	Now, how do you think like a whale?
	Or, how do you think like a Bigfoot?
	Alright, in just a moment we're going to bring forth a couple of experts on Bigfoot.
	How would that be?
	One of them, I guess, is a Bigfoot researcher.
	Would that be a good way to put it?
	I think it would.
	And the other is an interpreter of Bigfoot sounds.
	Or, put another way, Bigfoot language.
	And before the night is over, I suspect you're going to actually hear Bigfoot.
	So if that tantalizes you, Then I suggest you stay right where you are.
	All right, so here we go.
	It is a Bigfoot kind of night.
	First comes behind door number one, Ron Morehead.
	Now, Ron is an author, adventurer, and renowned researcher.
	He has traveled the world doing research of the unexplained, undiscovered, underexplored for 40 years.
	His research includes the scientific study of Bigfoot evidence, the possibility of connections between Bigfoot and the skeletons found in Peru and Bolivia, the Lovelock Cave, and the Minaret Skull as well.
	He is recognized around the globe for the best Sasquatch audio recordings known as the Sierra Sounds.
	Behind door number two, well, let's make sure we have Ron.
	Ron?
	You got me.
	Yeah, I got you.
	All right.
	You know, actually, I can see your picture because you're on Skype, and you kind of actually look a little like Bigfoot.
	Hmm, should have shaved.
	All right, behind door number two, we have retired from the U.S.
	Navy as a crypto linguist with over 35 years experience in foreign languages and linguistics, including the collection, transcription, analysis, and reporting of voice communications.
	He is a two-time graduate of the U.S.
	Navy Cryptologic Voice Transcription School.
	Wow!
	Both Russian and Spanish, and has logged thousands of hours of voice transcription in his target languages as well as in Persian.
	He is currently teaching Russian, Spanish, Persian, philosophy and comparative religions at Wentworth College in Missouri.
	Busy guy, and he's on the phone, I think.
	Hello, Scott.
	Yes.
	Okay, good.
	And now, before we get started, behind door number three, calling from an isolated phone booth, somewhere in Northern California, we have Mr. Foote.
	Now, he prefers to be called a fur-bearing American.
	American native, actually.
	He attended Forest University, has learned to avoid large gatherings, actually any gatherings at all, and he spends most of his time seeking edible vegetation.
	His hobbies include leaving puzzling scat dumps and occasional footprints in the dirt.
	He is here tonight to deny his very existence and therefore will actually have absolutely nothing to say.
	He will, however, be monitoring every word for authenticity.
	And there you have it, Mr. Foote.
	Alright, gentlemen, welcome.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Sorry, couldn't resist.
	So I'm not sure where to start.
	I have two, you know, bios and sets of questions here that look a lot alike, so we'll do it that way.
	Let us begin with Ron, and the question is, Ron, what is it, 40 years in this now?
	Since 1971, so I guess it would be more like 44 years.
	Why?
	Well, it gets under your skin.
	I, with some other hunters, encountered these creatures in a remote area of the Sierras, and they started interacting with us, and we were fortunate enough to record their vocalizations, and thus the Sierra sounds, which a lot of people have heard.
	They've been studied, and anyway, it got me involved in it, and ever since then I've been looking, trying to figure out what it was all about, and what giants are all about, because these things are huge.
	Mm-hmm.
	Um, okay.
	Um, let me ask this.
	Were you actually looking for Bigfoot?
	No, I wasn't.
	No, not at all.
	One of the hunters, original hunters up there, there's six of us involved that had this thing going on, and one of them got scared off the mountain.
	He wouldn't go back, and that's how I got involved, actually, because he, the wives were worried because men hadn't came back, and they heard the story of what was going on up there, and they wanted him to go back and see if the guys were okay, because we didn't know what was, they didn't know what they was dealing with.
	So he invited me to go with him.
	I was a friend of the family's anyway.
	So I got up there and that kind of got me part of the group.
	I was 71.
	So that's when I seen my first huge track.
	That's when I got involved.
	Okay, you've seen a huge track.
	Have you actually seen a Bigfoot ever?
	I did.
	Yes, I did.
	Me and another gentleman one night.
	They're very stealthy creatures, so it's very unusual, but they did interact with us three years after 71, in 1974, and I got to see them, at least one of them, jumping between trees going so fast, and at that time they were making their sounds too, so that's one of the first times you got to see what was making the sounds we had been recording.
	All right, and that's the final question I've got for you before I move on to Scott for a second.
	And how did you record... I've got, what, seven sounds I'm going to be playing, I think, tonight.
	And I'm wondering how you got them.
	Well, we recorded them with cassette recorders.
	That's all we had in the 70s.
	And I had some really good quality, a really good quality portable cassette.
	Unfortunately, all my tapes burned up in a house fire in 76.
	But Al Berry, an investigative reporter that we allowed to come in in 1972, recorded them also, and he fostered some studies which we can get into later.
	We all used cassettes in those days.
	May I ask one more?
	How do you get close enough to a Bigfoot to record the sounds?
	And, you know, I've heard some of them, and they're very clear.
	I suppose you have to amplify them and so forth, but I would think you'd need to be here pretty close to get something this good.
	Well, it's not something we go out and try to do.
	It's something they come in and just allowed it.
	We had the mic, or Alberry had his mic remoted.
	Okay, that makes all sense in the world.
	about 40 feet, that came in just close to it. And that's how you got those real clear
	recordings. Okay, that makes all sense in the world. And for many years you suffered
	in having these sounds but not having a clue what they meant, right? Correct.
	Didn't know what they meant.
	We thought between ourselves that they were communicating with each other and later on communicating and trying to communicate with us.
	But again, we're not qualified as a linguist or anybody.
	A lot of people say they know what they're saying, but that doesn't mean a thing to me unless you can Unless you're qualified.
	If you don't have the credentials behind your name, it doesn't mean anything.
	So, Albury taught me that.
	He had a master's degree in science and also in English, and he was a writer.
	He's deceased now, but he was the investigative reporter that we took in.
	He said, you've got to have the credibility behind it.
	So he fostered studies and fostered the main study at the University of Wyoming, which lasted one year by Professor Curlin.
	And that was a huge step for us because he established that the tapes were credible, that they were made at the time of recording.
	They weren't pre-made with a 60-cycle hum in a studio and transported up there.
	They were genuine.
	He showed that they weren't speeded up or slowed down.
	All those things were important.
	He gave that to a symposium up in British Columbia in 1978.
	And his report was written up into a book that they ended up publishing.
	So that was good, and it wasn't until one of our next guests, my good friend Scott Nelson, came along in 2008.
	And we tried, Al Berry and I tried for years to get some university that had the credibility to take these on again and tell us more.
	Because what Kerlin did was just establish the quality of the tapes and the The authenticity of the tapes were genuine.
	All right.
	So now, Scott.
	Scott is a cryptolinguist.
	That's the first time I've ever heard that expression.
	What in the world is a cryptolinguist?
	Well, I had a career in the Navy as what is officially called cryptologic technician interpreter.
	Okay.
	And I was trained in Well, in the analysis and reporting and voice transcription in two languages and had to learn my third language, you know, on the job, Persian.
	Wow.
	That's what we do for a living is listen to the human voice on tape.
	Okay, so I'm not sure how the two of you actually came together, but I will ask this.
	When you first heard these sounds that Ron had come up with, did you immediately hear coherence in them, or did you go, come on, or let me listen more closely, or what was your reaction?
	Well, when I first stumbled upon them with my son, and we were just kind of googling information for a report he had to do, and I stumbled upon these sounds on a website, and upon the first run through, I heard something that I had to hear again, so I went back over it, and I went back over it, and I went back over it, and my son finally said, Dad, snap out of it.
	You know, what are you doing?
	I said, Stephen, this is not a human being on these tapes, yet they are speaking a language.
	And my son said, what are you talking about, Dad?
	It sounds like coyotes or apes fighting.
	I said, I know it does, son, but there's language here.
	What you have to do in order to hear it is slow it down like Dad used to do in the Navy.
	I said, we've got to get a hold of these tapes.
	So through a little bit of Detective work.
	I got a hold of Ron, and within several days, Ron had all three of the tapes to me.
	And you listened to them for how long before you, you know, began to realize that you were actually hearing a language?
	Oh, I could tell right away.
	Really?
	I could tell right away.
	Oh, yeah.
	Absolutely.
	And I think it was probably because of how many hundreds into the thousands of hours I spent Listening to the human voice on tape, speeding the tapes up, slowing them down.
	Sure.
	That's why I immediately recognized, even with the rapid delivery that these vocalizations are given at, I could tell that if you slowed them down, you would hear articulated phonemes exactly like humans do.
	Alright, I know I'm getting way ahead of myself, but the next question for you is, if you recognize it as a language, can you then give meaning to what we're going to hear?
	No.
	Not in a translation.
	We're way, way ahead of ourselves.
	I would imagine.
	Given, Scott, more examples or even many, many, many examples of sounds, would that give you the key you need or the mass you need to decipher?
	Yes.
	We would hope that eventually we would be able to decipher, but our greatest hope would be to actually eventually sit down and have a conversation.
	Because that's really the only way to truly verify the meaning of what we would call words, sentences, etc.
	is to sit down with the speaker and to verify the meanings of each and every morpheme.
	So, yeah, we're way ahead of ourselves there.
	Eventually, yes, you would have to.
	You would need to, for example, observe Bigfoot.
	Even if you didn't have a conversation with him, you would observe him doing something and there would be a sound attached to that something and you would slowly begin to put meanings together or what?
	Right.
	Yes, that would work.
	That would work.
	Well, extended observation of the Bigfoot, Ron, I take it is not likely any time soon.
	Extended observation?
	Yes.
	Well, Scott and I have been up there.
	We're trying to get more, we were trying to get more cooperative sounds for him.
	But they're very elusive and they're very, I guess, sensitive to the human exploitation of them.
	And it just hasn't worked out yet that we're able to record them again.
	Sometimes you'll hear them, but you're not walking around with your recorder on all the time.
	It's just a battle.
	I shouldn't say a battle.
	It's just an ongoing quest, I guess, to get that.
	But that hasn't been what I've been trying to do so much.
	That's what Scott, I think, has been wanting to do.
	We've spent quite a bit of time up there, 2009 on to 2011, I guess it was.
	But it's never able to capture the sounds that like we did in the 70s.
	I've heard them, as he may have also, but again, you're not running around with your tape recorder on all the time.
	And just, I don't know, these things are, There's an enigma associated with these, which we can get into, but I think they're a lot more intelligent than what we gave them credit for in the 70s.
	We underestimated what we were dealing with at the time, and it's just, it's been an ongoing adventure for me, is trying to find out just what they're all about, trying to connect the dots, so to speak, and what they might be.
	Well, a lot of people in the audience Not a lot.
	I would say you've got a more friendly audience than you would have nearly anywhere else, but even some in this audience would say, oh, come on.
	Bigfoot.
	How do we prove there really is such an animal?
	Such a mammal?
	I guess he would be a mammal, certainly.
	So, best evidence.
	Either one of you.
	The best evidence is the silence we have.
	First of all, I don't try to prove that to anybody, because the facts are going to present and prove themselves.
	The Patterson film of 1967 is pretty much accepted now.
	A lot of people have tried to debunk it and all, but I know Bob Gimlin quite well, who was there, and I just believe he's a trustworthy person in my eyes.
	And our sounds, because the Patterson film shows the animal walking across a place in Bluff Creek, but our sounds kind of give you more of an insight into the nature of these creatures.
	And as you can see, or as you will see, when we play the sounds, they go from a very antagonistic sound, which I think they were trying to scare us out, into a more of a communicative type attitude.
	Actually, that was the next thing I was going to ask Scott, and that is, if you cannot translate for us what we're going to hear, and obviously you cannot, can you, I mean, no matter what language you're speaking, there are certain things that come through, certain emotions that come through.
	Of course.
	Right?
	And that you can speak to, I take it.
	Absolutely.
	You can hear virtually all of the emotions.
	With both the Barry tape and the Moorhead tape together, I mean, you can hear the whole spectrum of emotions.
	From one point where it even sounds like one of them is making a joke and laughing at his own joke.
	Really?
	Oh yes.
	Oh yeah.
	And then you've got aggression, you've got anger, you've got concern, you've got You've got inquiry inflection, you've got response inflection, you name it.
	Virtually all of the characteristics of human language are evident in the Barrymore head tapes.
	Okay, let me try this question.
	We'll get to sounds after the break at the bottom of the hour, but I had a lady on recently who has been living with, she claims, Bigfoot for quite some time in her area.
	You know, I guess he picked, this is down in East Texas actually, and she swore that she once saw a Bigfoot wearing a human shirt trying to wear a human shirt is there any chance that that could be true that a Bigfoot would choose to try that after observing humans well that's a good cry I don't think any of ours were closed up there but it's possible I've heard those stories before that you know the smaller ones might try to emulate some clothes on I've had that question asked of me before it's just
	It seems very unusual, or maybe they just toy with humans.
	I think they think that we think we're smarter than them, and we do, but we're not.
	In my opinion, these things are They're out there, and there's a higher connection than most people want to give credit for them.
	Well, pretty much, we're looking for them pretty hard, even with infrared, down-looking infrared, whatever, heat signature stuff, and we don't find the Bigfoots, so maybe they are smarter than us because they successfully stay away from us, right?
	That's right.
	Alright, you two hold tight.
	We'll come back to you after the break.
	Pretty good one.
	You can go get coffee or... Dark Matter Network News.
	I'm Amy Martin.
	Authorities in Moldova have arrested smugglers attempting to sell Cesium-135 to terrorists in the Middle East.
	According to the Associated Press, the next exchange had been meant to supply Islamic State extremists with enough radioactive materials to construct a dirty bomb.
	AP has uncovered numerous instances in recent years in the former Soviet state where members of criminal networks in Moldova were caught attempting to exchange the radioactive materials.
	In an undercover tape, Moldovan authorities reveal a smuggler who states,
	they could make one of those dirty ones, you know, make a dirty bomb if you've heard of such things.
	The level of radiation is high and these explosions spread material over a territory.
	It's bad for the health.
	That's the method.
	Moldovan authorities still note that the threat of a device is still very real, stating, Until we know where the substances seized in Europe came from, and where they were going to, only then will we be able to say for sure that the danger is no longer present.
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	The estimated age of these fossils has not yet been determined.
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	The area is still deemed unsafe for human habitation.
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	This has been Amy Martin with Dark Matter Network News.
	You know, it's interesting.
	My daughter, my daughter Asia, is now eight years old.
	And so this last Christmas, I got her an Xbox for Christmas.
	You know, when she was younger, I used to tell her, hun, I got to go to work and buy diapers for you.
	She, of course, at that age, didn't understand what I was saying.
	But tonight, just for fun, I went to get my kiss and I said, hun, I've got to go to work because that's the only way we can buy games.
	She said, go, go, go to work!
	Not sure how I felt about that.
	Anyway, my guests are Ron Moorhead and Scott Nelson.
	Here's Ron.
	You're back, right?
	I am.
	Okay, good.
	And if Scott hasn't passed out yet, he's here.
	Yes, I am.
	Okay, Scott, unfortunately, is in a room full of big servers making noise in the background, so we actually made him take his sock off and put it over the phone, and so if you hear him shifting around, like backing away from the phone a lot, well, you can judge for yourself what that might mean.
	All right, you guys.
	So we actually have Bigfoot sounds.
	All kidding aside, you don't often get a cryptolinguist on the air along with a Bigfoot researcher with sounds to actually talk about them.
	That's pretty cool.
	I would obviously like to play one.
	I guess we would call this number one.
	And, uh, if that's okay with you, that's exactly, exactly what I'm gonna do.
	And I, I may play it, uh, actually, uh, twice.
	Uh, just so we, or even more than that, you never know.
	Uh, let's play it once, and then we will talk about it.
	So, here it comes.
	I think.
	Ready?
	me.
	I'm going to be doing a lot of this stuff. I'm going to be doing a lot of this stuff.
	Um, I had no idea what was coming.
	Holy mackerel, guys!
	I don't know what to say about that.
	My God!
	Um... Um, alright.
	I don't know anything about it.
	I've got the experts.
	Um, Ron, if you would please, that particular recording... Good heavens!
	Where did that come from?
	Our Sierra camp, eight miles in the wilderness of the Sierra Nevada mountains.
	We were recording these creatures. It was pretty intimidating to start with there.
	And as you might have guessed, these things were pretty close to us, to the right of our shelter quite often.
	And anyway...
	If I heard that, that was clear.
	And it was, you know, plenty ambiguous I guess, but very, very clear.
	And it sounded like it was very, very close.
	And if I was there recording that, it would scare the hell out of me.
	Well, that's how I got involved.
	One of the guys wouldn't go back up there.
	Don't blame him.
	He wouldn't go back by himself, I should say.
	And he hadn't been back since that I know of.
	Don't blame him.
	Pretty frightening.
	Very religious man.
	He didn't know where to put this with his religious structure, because it just didn't fit in his paradigm.
	I don't have much of a religious structure, and I don't know where to put it, and I'd be running.
	First of all, what were we hearing?
	Is it one Bigfoot, or is it two of them, or one?
	Well, we believe it was two, but let Scott jump in on this one.
	Okay, Scott.
	That was a lot to decipher.
	Oh yeah, and like I said before, we're far from actually deciphering it or translating it, but what we can do with that is point out the characteristics of language that are evident in those utterances.
	And what you have there is obviously a male, and when you slow it down you can really hear it.
	You don't have to be a A PhD in linguistics specialist to hear the language.
	All right.
	That is not slowed down.
	I'm sorry to interrupt.
	That is regular speed, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	But when you slow it down, especially, I mean, if you listen to it long enough, even the layman can hear that you have a female and a male having discourse, conversational turns where they take turns in speaking to each other.
	I agree.
	Yeah, so you listen to it enough.
	You can hear it even at real time.
	You don't have to slow it down.
	But slowing it down makes it very evident to anybody that's ever sat through our presentation and listened to it, walks away knowing that they're listening to a language.
	I've got to agree.
	It sounded like a language to me.
	By the way, years ago we had a human sound expert listen to it, a very qualified person, and she said the female won that argument.
	So in other words, the worlds are similar in some ways.
	Yes, they are.
	We're going to listen to this again, and Scott, as we do listen again, what should we be listening for?
	To try and make a little sense out of this.
	I mean, not that we'll understand it, but I mean, is it a fight?
	Well, you know, it sounds like that to us.
	It sounds like that they're at least in a higher state of agitation.
	But then again, you know, the more you listen to it, the more it begins to sound like a married couple.
	Just in a regular conversation.
	For a married couple, yes.
	You can hear a human say something in the background.
	What is that?
	That was Warren Johnson, who was basically the oracle up there for us until he passed away.
	Or unless he wasn't there and I was, then I would be the one that would call out to them or try to entice them.
	At first we were intimidated by it.
	Because the sounds are pretty intimidating.
	But after a while you realize they weren't going to break through the shelter at us and they knew we wasn't going to shoot at them and we all had guns.
	We're hunters, a hunting camp.
	And so that was Warren Johnson and he was just yelling out at them.
	Ron?
	He said that's not very nice.
	You said you had a gun, right?
	Yes, we have guns.
	If you were able to take a bead on a Bigfoot I wouldn't.
	to either pull the trigger or not, what would you do?
	No.
	I wouldn't.
	You wouldn't?
	No.
	No, there are more to them than that, and I think if you had that aura about you, I
	don't think we'd have the encounters we're having.
	They're very stealthy, very elusive, very fast.
	I can't begin to tell you how fast they are, the way they move.
	No, I wouldn't shoot at them.
	I think they're more like a people than they are an animal.
	It's like an ultimate question that gets a lot of debate about whether just one at least should be shot, so we identify You know, we just had that debate this last week, Scott and I did, at a conference we had in Oklahoma, and pro-kill people were there to do some filming, and they got booed off, for the most part.
	It's a series called Killing Bigfoot.
	And really, they said, you just about have to kill one, bring it in for science to accept them.
	And I said, no, you don't.
	There's so much antidote evidence now.
	And you've got DNA.
	There's all kinds of things that you can pull out or win out or pull out.
	All right, well, I'm going to play this number one again, and Scott, we should be listening to this kind of like you'd listen to a husband and a wife, possibly in a minor dispute.
	I guess I'll put it that way.
	Okay, here we go.
	Okay.
	I get it.
	It does sound like she won and he wasn't real happy about it.
	He was sort of walking away grumbling.
	We kind of think, Art, that they were maybe having a confrontation over some food we left out.
	Oh, that could be it.
	Originally, we thought the sounds were towards us, the aggression was towards us, and they could have been towards us, but we were leaving food out, our leftovers.
	That's what originally got them started coming in.
	It's a family of them up there in the Sierras.
	What did you leave for them?
	Well, originally, we were leaving Spam.
	We'd fry Spam and leave it out.
	But whatever food we took in, they would take.
	And anywhere from, if we took canned stew up there on our mules or something, we would use that.
	Whatever we had out is what they would generally take.
	Until one time, we left some rotten meat out, basically.
	At that time, we thought they'd eat about anything like a bear would.
	But we had just dug a hole earlier that summer and had some fresh mound of dirt.
	Yeah, apparently not.
	meat out and they took it and buried it under that dirt. I have a picture of this, a big handprint over the mound and
	underneath that handprint was the meat that we left out.
	I see. I didn't think too much of that. Apparently not.
	Scott, if you had the opportunity to go along with Ron up into the deep woods where you're liable to encounter these
	creatures, would you go or would you wait for the tape?
	Me and my son, Steven, have gone up several times with Ron.
	Really?
	And several times Ron and I have gone up by ourselves.
	We've had quite a few interesting adventures, you could say.
	Any of them involving Bigfoot?
	Yes, a few.
	We've had things thrown at us.
	We've had strange sounds around the camp.
	Ron heard a morphine stream in the middle of the night which we were unable to record.
	Oh yeah, there's a lot of activity up there.
	I have a very famous Bigfoot scream that Linda Moulton Howell recorded.
	I'm sure you guys have heard it, right?
	Is that a guess?
	I don't know if I've heard the scream.
	I've heard a lot of screams.
	I'll dig it out.
	It's a blood-curdling scream, there's no question about that.
	Are Bigfoot capable of big, blood-curdling screams?
	I believe so, yes.
	Oh, I'm quite certain.
	Just from the evidence that we have, we have to assume that their lungs are just massive.
	The resonance of their utterances is just off the scale.
	Um, do you have a, like a measurement of the biggest, I don't want to say the biggest Bigfoot, but the average height of a Bigfoot?
	Is there any way to make a guess at that?
	There really isn't.
	Depends if they're a young one or not.
	I reasonably believe there's some that are 12 foot tall.
	Wow.
	We had a prince up there, a nine inch prince, along with 18 inch prince, that was an adolescent and its mother.
	And this huge one that we never found it right in camp because I think this thing is just so big it just can't stand behind one of those trees but it had a 25 and a half inch track the biggest one I didn't talk about this one for a long time because the distance between the tracks were 13 feet and that's just you got to do the math on that.
	We followed it till we couldn't follow it anymore off into oblivion there but it was just a Quite remarkable how something so big can still remain so hidden.
	Yes, it is.
	Some would say impossible, but maybe not impossible.
	Ron, you're actually up in Bigfoot country, right?
	I am.
	I'm on the Olympic Peninsula now.
	I live in Washington State.
	How about you, Scott?
	Where are you?
	I'm in Missouri, which is also Bigfoot country.
	Okay.
	And somehow East Texas.
	I don't know why, but it seems like a lot of reports in East Texas.
	All right, you guys, I want you to listen to this.
	This is reportedly the real thing.
	It does come from Linda Moulton Howe, who investigates this kind of thing.
	And this is the sound that she came up with.
	this year.
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	about the arts. I'm going to be talking about the arts. I'm going to be talking about the
	arts. I'm going to be talking about the arts. I'm going to be talking about the arts. I'm
	going to be talking about the arts. I'm going to be talking about the arts. I'm going to
	be talking about the arts. I'm going to be talking about the arts. I'm going to be talking
	At a distance, recorded at a distance, obviously, but boy, that doesn't change the tone of that at all.
	Yikes!
	Yeah, yeah.
	Any reactions?
	I've heard that sound, actually.
	I've heard other sounds very similar to it.
	It's hard to say what it represents.
	If you can't see the source occasionally, or see some evidence of the source, you don't really know.
	Sounds like maybe one is, I believe, some of those screens back and forth, or maybe a mother looking for its young, or Or a male looking for a mate or that may have been just trying to induce the dogs I heard barking too.
	I've heard I've heard them up at our area screaming out at a distance for and you'd hear a bunch of coyotes off in the distance.
	Yes.
	A coyote sound.
	As Scott mentioned a few minutes ago, the one thing they don't hide is the amplitude and the sheer The volume in which they can speak will blow your head off, Scott.
	It's so loud.
	Especially when they're close to you.
	My comment would be, whatever it represents, I don't want to see it.
	Now, Scott, listening to that, after hearing other sounds of Bigfoot, what do you think?
	Well, the resonance is certainly consistent with the Sierra creatures.
	It sounds legitimate to me.
	Right.
	I've heard, again, like Ron, I've heard similar sounds like that, and I didn't hear anything that would be linguistic in that.
	No.
	But it sounds like the same creature to me.
	Would you say, not linguistic surely, but is that indicative of excitement, pain, mating?
	Oh, of course.
	Well, you never know.
	You never know.
	It could even be indicative of some ritual.
	A ritual?
	Oh, sure.
	It could be some, well, like Ron said, it could be some mating ritual.
	It could be some other, uh, some other ritual.
	Could be the conclusion of the mating ritual.
	There's one reason you don't want to mimic these sounds, because you don't know what they're saying.
	No.
	Any of you outside right now, playing this radio into the darkness, think about what you're doing.
	I have a lot of people wanting to blast my sounds, blast these sounds, and I don't suggest that at all, because we don't know what they do mean.
	Or what it might bring.
	It might bring them something they don't want.
	That's right.
	Well, northern California, obviously, with the big trees and everything, but what other big hot spots are there, in your opinion?
	Me?
	Well, this is a hot spot on the Olympic Peninsula.
	I'm involved in the Olympic project here somewhat, and they have a lot of stuff going on there.
	I've met other people here.
	You just put the word out that you're involved in Bigfoot, and it seems like people start coming to you, or, yeah, I saw one here, and da-da-da.
	And I've had officials come to me, actually, sheriffs and outside horseshoe workers.
	They see them, and it happens a lot.
	It's happening all over, it seems like.
	Gentlemen, hold tight.
	A lot to do on the show.
	Ron Moorhead, who is an author, adventurer, and renowned researcher, Bigfoot researcher, is with us, as well as Scott Nelson, who is, believe it or not, a cryptolinguist.
	This guy has a lot of experience with the U.S.
	Navy.
	Went to the U.S.
	Navy's cryptologic voice transcription school.
	Russian and Spanish and on and on and on.
	Knows about language and says, that's what we're hearing here is language, right?
	Absolutely.
	Somebody comments on my computer, I call it the wormhole, they send messages, he said, Uh, yup.
	Like most couples, I think the wife was doing most of the talking.
	Reaction we got.
	Um, so let us move on to yet another, uh, recording.
	And I, I guess were most of these recorded at the same place or these are all different?
	All these were recorded at the very same camp.
	Some of them were months apart.
	Some were years apart.
	This went on from 71 through 76.
	Interesting.
	Is it harder to get these kind of sounds in the modern day than it was then?
	Oh yes.
	It seems like it is.
	At least it has been for me.
	I really sometimes go up there without a recorder.
	I just want to find out more about them now, and because I think they are tuned into human exploitation, I try to just go up there simple.
	Let them create the action if there's going to be any.
	You can't be the antagonistic up there.
	You've got to let them be the aggressor.
	If they're going to interact with you, they will.
	And if they're not, it seems like they choose who they want to interact with.
	So getting more sounds has just been very difficult.
	I know they're there.
	Alright, well I'm gonna play this next one and then again we'll talk about it and come back and then perhaps play it yet again.
	Here we go.
	go. I think. Oh, what's this? Oh, I think I've got it. I've got it. I've got it. I've
	got it. Oh, that was very, very, very different.
	Um...
	I don't know where to start.
	What do you think we were hearing there?
	You want me to chime in on that?
	Yeah, sure.
	Anybody, anytime.
	I don't care.
	I think, well, I'll give you that one because it sounds like they've got rhythm.
	That thing was really cold.
	It was a cold night, very cold.
	And, um, he might have just been trying to stay warm.
	I don't know what the deal was.
	I thought I'd give you that one just because it's, uh, I don't know what he was trying to do.
	I don't know if you've analyzed that one at all.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, before you start.
	That sound that we heard that was like, or clicking, or I can't duplicate the sound, but, um, was that a sound produced by the creature or was he banging on something?
	I don't know.
	We didn't see him doing whatever he was doing.
	He was slapping.
	I think he was slapping on himself.
	He might have been slapping on a rock.
	I don't know.
	I don't think that was audible.
	That was not auditory.
	He was not producing that with his auditory tract.
	Okay.
	So you think that might have been a slap?
	That's what I think.
	Clacking of rocks or something.
	Something besides vocalization.
	What about emotion or tone of that?
	Sure, there's always that.
	Well, I mean, what do you make of it?
	He's still grumbling as he's doing that.
	So maybe some kind of frustration.
	Could be, sure.
	This was one of the last sounds we recorded in 1972.
	The weather had moved in.
	It was really cold.
	And again, the camp's 8,400 feet in elevation.
	It could have been they were leaving for the winter, because I do think they migrated down out.
	I don't know what it represents.
	OK, well, here it comes one more time.
	people can decide for themselves.
	That is a good recording, though, really a good recording.
	That's what's shocking me about these.
	You know, usually if we talk about UFOs, we get very fuzzy pictures, but here we're getting very clear audio, as though the person recording would have to have been pretty close.
	Yes?
	Well, we were close.
	They were close to us.
	We were inside the shelter during this time.
	Every time we'd go out, they would stop.
	And so we were just, we had our mics stuck through the shelter.
	It was a bunch of logs laying up against a cable and a group of trees.
	So you basically stuck your mic in there and hoped they came that way.
	We all were recording though.
	I think this guy was just trying to learn how to play drums.
	We mentioned encounters earlier and there are people, unlike me, who want an encounter.
	They would like to encounter a Bigfoot.
	Do you have any advice on the best way to proceed if you really want an encounter?
	I do.
	In fact, I have a whole list of things that seems to work, and people who try them say they work.
	Proceed.
	First of all, they got to be the aggressor.
	You can't make something happen with them.
	You gotta wait and hope they interact with you.
	You got to be habituated in the area for a long time so they trust the area.
	Let me get my list out here.
	I could be better at it.
	That sounds right.
	I mean, I'm thinking back to the lady.
	Be sincere.
	Be sober so you know what's going on.
	Take notes.
	Get a relaxed atmosphere and just have fun.
	If they start clacking rocks or doing something out around you and you think it's them because you're in a hot spot, because there are hot spots.
	And just relax, and don't try to shine lights.
	Whatever you do, don't shine a flashlight out there.
	Why?
	They will leave in a heartbeat.
	And just, yeah, I got a lot of tips on my website, BigFootSounds.com.
	And if they want an interaction, but when we get through this tonight, they may not want the interaction they think they want now.
	I have some sobering things that I believe that You may not want the interaction.
	All right, well, here's a question for you, both actually.
	They are so rare, they are so hard to find, they are associated more than not many times with UFO sightings.
	Do you think, either one of you, that there is a paranormal aspect to them?
	I've come to believe that there is, yes.
	Based on all the evidence I've found over 40 some odd years of researching this, and what I've found in our camp too, there's been some very strange things happen in our camp besides just these vocalizations.
	Oh?
	We've had lights following us around.
	We've had, I've seen a control light come down, which I don't know if, well, it was unidentified to me,
	but it was a control big blue light come down close to our camp and just get lost behind the trees.
	There's been sounds that we don't quite know how to interpret.
	There was a time when we were in our shelter, we heard what we thought our camp was being torn apart.
	Metallic sounds like the cans and everything we packed in on our mules were just being tossed
	around everywhere.
	We had barrels up there that had been banged on.
	We look out there thinking we're going to see a mess and nothing's been disturbed.
	I mean, nothing has changed.
	And how does that compute?
	It's either mass hypnosis, or you're hearing into another dimension that you don't see.
	Something, I guess you can call it paranormal, because that certainly wasn't normal.
	And there's been, in the daytime, you hear a big tuning fork sound like there's a huge spaceship right over your head, but you're not seeing anything.
	But you hear it, and it's just things like that happen.
	We've heard clicking noises.
	We don't know what to make of.
	It follows us around, and yeah, I think there's something different going on with these things, and I've got my ideas.
	I've been all over the world studying these things, down in Peru mostly, and that's where it really put me over the edge, because I found some things that are not human down there.
	And UFOs are commonplace in Central and South America.
	Alright, for Scott.
	Yes.
	Scott, what is this that in your mind, after all your study, absolutely makes this a language?
	What parts of it say this is a language?
	Well, first off, the Barrymorehead tapes, display virtually every characteristic of human language that there is.
	The most important being, again, the conversational turns between two creatures, taking turns speaking to each other back and forth, the repeating of morphemes, or what we might call syllables or minimal words.
	Between the two of them.
	You know, exactly the way humans do.
	Right.
	I heard it in that first recording without question.
	Absolutely.
	Yep.
	Is that... There's just too many characteristics of language evident in the tapes that they... that it's undeniable.
	It's undeniable anymore.
	Alright, one question for you, Scott, is how do you know these tapes are real, and actually, you know, have you been there when some of them were recorded?
	No.
	Then how do you know they're real?
	Well, that's one of the things, that was one of the three conclusions I came to immediately upon hearing it.
	That's what blew me away so quickly, is that I spent a whole career listening to the human voice on tape, and I had been trained In every method of deception possible.
	Right.
	I was a Russian analyst, so, you know, and the Russians were the best.
	During the Cold War, the Russians were the best.
	And I was trained in every deceptive method that the Russians used.
	And when I first heard these, my first impression was that even the Russians could not have faked these.
	Especially not in, you know, 1974.
	Right.
	And at the time, I didn't know that they'd already been, you know, analyzed by a sound expert, Dr. Curlin from the University of Wyoming, and he had already proven that, that the tapes could not have been faked.
	There are, I believe, certain ways to prove if something has been either created with a program or modified with a program, whether it's an original recording or not.
	So, yeah, I'll buy that.
	All right, let's move on to number three, and again, recorded roughly in the same place, or what?
	Same place, same place.
	Same place, right.
	Number three, here we go.
	I think.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Pretty cool.
	Very different.
	Very cool.
	So that was kind of almost a whistle?
	It was a whistle.
	Yeah, that was one of the first exchanges we actually had.
	That was Warren Johnson whistling back to it.
	We found out that whistling actually they do is done through the vocal cavity.
	It wasn't done through the lips like we normally whistle.
	So that was kind of unique.
	That's why I sent you that one.
	And anyway, it was just one of the first exchanges we actually had, which I recorded.
	How do I know the difference between the Bigfoot whistle and, did you say Warren?
	Warren Johnson, yeah, he's the one that whistled.
	I can hear it.
	I don't know if you can.
	It's kind of a background whistleback, but it sounds like a human whistle.
	That's why I'm playing them twice.
	Or through the vocal cavity, according to Dr. Kerlin.
	Gotcha.
	Again, here it comes again, and that's why, because I want you two to listen to what's Warren and what's Bigfoot.
	But here we go.
	okay that time i could go warren
	include easily before yet
	dot it Got it.
	So, is whistling... It's a form of communication, obviously, but I mean, is it part of their language, Scott?
	Well, we don't know yet.
	It's certainly not language articulated in the same way that humans do, which most of their utterances are.
	But we don't know.
	I mean, certainly humans communicate with whistles as well.
	Yes, they do.
	But not linguistically.
	I mean, you know, not articulated, you know, by the same apparatus that we do.
	We do communicate with whistles, it's true.
	They seem to have a very, very flexible vocal cavity, a vocal range.
	Dr. Curlin's report showed their range.
	They can go above, in, and below what a human can do, which gives the suggestion they can mimic almost any forest animal if they wanted to.
	And I know I've heard an 800-pound owl up there one time, and I never saw an 800-pound owl.
	Now, Sasquatch lives at least I don't want to say near humans, but frequently around humans.
	And so you have to wonder if their language, such as it is, has been affected in any way by what they've heard from human beings.
	You want me to take that, Ron?
	Yeah, you're the expert on it.
	Yeah, we'd have to assume that they are influenced by other languages the same way that humans are.
	Especially because virtually all Bigfoot researchers believe that they are so observant and so elusive that they are able to hide.
	They could keep themselves hidden and be very observant of our languages and it would serve them very well to know specific words that humans use.
	Right.
	Like food, like food and guns.
	Right.
	Hunt or whatever.
	You would think that they would make it their business to figure out what we mean by specific morphine streams.
	Do you think, going back to Ron for a second, Ron, that these are creatures that were here long before man?
	Or do you think these are creatures that have, I don't know, I don't know how to ask the question.
	How long have they been around?
	I have no idea.
	I don't know.
	Good answer.
	You don't know, say I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, that's better.
	Is there any indication that they are getting either closer to contact with humans or moving away from it more and more?
	They're multiplying, I'm quite sure of that.
	They don't need protection, like a lot of people think we've got to kill one so we can protect them.
	That's ridiculous.
	If anything, we need protection.
	But they are multiplying.
	There are small ones being seen.
	What they are, and why they're here, because they still stay hidden from man.
	They don't come out and expose themselves to humans unless it's by accident.
	Right.
	What they're bigger, stronger, very stealthy, they're cognizant beings,
	at least the ones I dealt with are cognizant.
	And that tells me something, they have language.
	Why are they here?
	What are they doing?
	Why are they holding back?
	They could trust anybody.
	They should be able to trust me.
	I've never threatened them.
	I've been up there and had them around me and yet they won't come out and shake my hand or tell me more about them so I can discuss this with the world like I'm doing now.
	I just want to know more.
	And I think I'm learning more as I go.
	I hope to anyway.
	I'm not able to see everything.
	All right, well here's one for you.
	We've discussed this on the show recently about whether, for example, a human being.
	Do you have the ability to know when somebody is staring at you?
	You probably think you do, but I had someone tell me, a doctor, the other night, that you
	I disagree with that.
	I think that you do know when somebody's staring at you, and moreover, I also think you know when a threat is close to you.
	Unless you're really dense, And you've been playing too many computer games, and you're so out of touch with the world that you don't feel it.
	But, you know, there's this thing with the hunter, and sort of just before the trigger gets squeezed or the bow and the arrow lets go, the buck suddenly raises up and knows something's about to happen.
	So, what do you think?
	I think it's a process called quantum entanglement.
	Seriously, that's my term for it.
	I think within every human being we have the ability to perceive things, and that's through the pineal gland.
	And if it can catch the vibration, if you can communicate with each other that way telepathically, I think animals sense things like that.
	And I believe what you're saying, that an animal, if you entangle it, and these things can entangle you, there's creatures, these Bigfoot creatures, I've been entangled by them, paralyzed basically, and out of fear, just basically could not move, me and Warren Johnson.
	You know, I say this because if they have a way to sense danger, then maybe they also, you know, are relaxed, and when you're around, they sense that you're not a threat, and so they make sound, even though you've got guns.
	Absolutely.
	I'm sure if they thought we were going to shoot at them, they wouldn't have done what they did with us up there.
	And I don't know why they did.
	I don't know why we were chosen.
	We didn't realize how unique what we had going on was.
	At the time, we just thought we were having fun with it, basically.
	You might be able to tell that from some of the interactions we've had.
	Al Berry, the investigative reporter that went in in 1972 and recorded some of the sounds you're hearing, he was doing a job.
	He thought it was a hoax at first.
	He couldn't believe the story.
	He interviewed us all.
	We finally agreed to let him go in.
	He was looking for a hoax for so long, I didn't even know it.
	I thought he was up there as part of the group, but he was going through our bags when we were out walking around.
	He was trying to find a hoax.
	Couldn't believe it.
	What kind of story did he write?
	Well, he wrote a book, a Bantam book, in 1978, I think it was, 76 it was, about our, up there.
	And he ended up believing it inside, but still the science in him wanted to not believe it because of the strangeness that was going on.
	How could these things not leave more evidence besides their tracks?
	We had a man go up there, a wildlife biologist, to do a foraflonta study, just at the suggestion of a scientist, See if there's any evidence of any nails in a tree or speaker wires in the ground or anything like that.
	We stayed up there three days, he and I did, and he did a thorough research.
	I wrote about this in my book, Voices in the Wilderness, and then give his report in there, at least in part, because I didn't want to give away the location.
	But he couldn't find any evidence of something like that.
	Of course, we knew it wasn't happening, but again, we're eight miles back in the wilderness, and it's quite an imposing trip.
	It's not like a walk in a park.
	You can get hurt up there.
	That's right.
	Well, Scott, going again back to that first recording, which was really awesome.
	And seemed like a talk between, or an argument even, between a man and a wife.
	Have you identified, in any of the recordings, fear?
	Outright fear?
	Fear?
	Fear.
	Fear.
	In them?
	Yes.
	In the creatures?
	Not that I would, not that I would have made a notation of, that it seems that, you know, Whenever you're doing a transcription like this, the analyst, you know, should make a notation of any emotions that he feels are being expressed.
	And I didn't write any, I did not make any notation that would describe fear in them.
	Okay, alright.
	Well, might have been a little fear in the male's voice after getting it.
	Raked up and down by the female.
	All right, we've got another recording here.
	This is called Rocks 2, whatever that means.
	That means, can I say something about that?
	Yeah, please.
	It's basically what they do when they first come around.
	They will crack rocks, they will whoop, they will make sounds like that to, I think, as a code to another one.
	Again, if the The people who are wanting the encounter just sit still, they will come closer and do more.
	This is the sound you hear, the big cracks and the rhythmic rock popping, basically, that they announce themselves with a lot of times.
	Right.
	If I hear the sound of cracking rocks, I'm gone real quickly, because whatever can crack rocks can certainly do something like that to skulls.
	Here we go.
	Listen carefully.
	What I see is just something right there.
	What do you see?
	There's a rock over there.
	What?
	There's a rock.
	There's a rock.
	There it is.
	It's the ground.
	It's the ground.
	Wow. I'm...
	Uh, actively cracking rocks.
	Holy moly.
	Um, I don't know what to say.
	Sounded like big rocks too.
	You know, I might say this, the, uh, man we took up there, Joe Hauser, who is, uh, outside, he's a survivalist.
	He's a wildlife biologist, very qualified.
	And, uh, he found a batch of rocks over behind a huge outcropping.
	They were not indigenous to the area.
	It was a pile of rocks, which I had never noticed before.
	None of us had.
	And they were brought from the river, way down below, eight miles track.
	No one hauls rocks up there, believe me, but they were not from there.
	And we've often wondered, were those rocks that they were pounding together that night?
	Yeah.
	Holy moly.
	I guess, Scott, in that, not a lot for you to decipher, huh?
	No, unless, you know, we have to assume that there's some meaning in the, there's some purpose as to why they would clack the rocks in that way.
	There has to be some meaning, but not necessarily linguistic.
	Well, communicative possibly, but not linguistic.
	Absolutely.
	Yes.
	Right, yeah, right.
	What about you, Ron?
	Any guesses about what rock cracking might mean?
	I think it's a code.
	They're talking to each other without vocalizations.
	They're sending messages to each other, because they'll do that also with whooping sounds, which that'll be the next one you play, probably.
	Right.
	But the whooping sounds have different intonations, and they're not meant directed at the humans that are present, I don't believe.
	And they are meant to some type of a single to another one.
	It is until they get past that stage that they start making their sound.
	Okay, in this rock-cracking audio that we have, is it one creature, you believe, cracking these rocks, or is it... Are we hearing a communication back and forth?
	Are there two creatures involved?
	You're hearing two.
	There was two.
	It was back and forth.
	They were from different directions.
	I recorded that that night.
	And that's the night I actually got to see one.
	And you'd have one over here and then another one a couple hundred feet away.
	And they were either hitting rocks or banging wood.
	Were they covered in fur?
	Well, I'd call it hair, but I can't tell you that.
	It was dark.
	It was a bright moon out, so just as you see in the dark figures, you don't know really what they're like.
	I mean, I couldn't give you a definitive description of what I saw, just that it was very fast, it was moving between the trees.
	My friend got to see one at a different time that same night.
	Really?
	And they were making these sounds, and that's the night that I started interacting with them, because they were so bold.
	This was one of the first nights, actually, that they ever was this bold while we were outside the shelter.
	Okay.
	Very unusual.
	Yeah.
	One more time.
	I would absolutely suggest a white death.
	There's a rock in there.
	There's a rock.
	Two rocks.
	Yeah.
	Look down.
	Oh.
	There's another one.
	There's another one.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	you Two bigfoot.
	Communicating with each other.
	With big rocks.
	Dark Matter Network News.
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	This has been Amy Martin with Dark Matter Network News.
	I've got Ron Morehead, who is an investigator, 40 years, more than 40 years now, actually, looking for and recording Bigfoot.
	Then I've got something very special, Scott Nelson.
	Who, for 35 years, has been a cryptolinguist.
	And he finds language in what he hears.
	And if you heard the first recording, which I'm going to find a way to make sure you do, before we go tonight, you're going to agree with that.
	I mean, it's language.
	I don't think there's any question about it.
	Gentlemen, welcome back.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	You mentioned that we're going to hear some whoops, as it were.
	Again recorded, uh, what?
	Same place?
	Same place.
	All these were recorded in the same place.
	Same place, okay.
	Distance apart, yeah.
	But same place, different day.
	Different day.
	Well, some of them a different day.
	The first two were the same day.
	Well, no, I can't say that either.
	We've got a lot of recordings, Art.
	All of us are recording.
	I've got hours of this stuff.
	Really?
	I just pulled out these to give you kind of a... Sample?
	Sample.
	Basically a different... You have hours of this, really?
	Yes, yes.
	They were coming in quite regularly for us.
	We would leave food out and, again, we weren't threatening them.
	And I think that we just got lucky, I guess.
	Okay, then let me ask Scott, if there are hours of this, Scott, you've heard a lot more than we have.
	Yes.
	So, in hours, how many times did you hear the kind of apparent dialogue that we heard in that first recording?
	Oh, throughout.
	Throughout.
	Really?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	We really are dealing with something here.
	Yeah, we have 75.
	I mean, it took me four and a half months initially to transcribe all of the three tapes, the two Barry tapes and Ron's tape.
	Just about 90 minutes.
	It took me four and a half months to transcribe.
	You know, to do it right.
	Then we have 75 pages.
	Holy moly.
	Alright, here come the whoops, folks.
	Listen very carefully.
	Here it comes.
	One, two, three.
	Whoop!
	Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
	Whoop!
	Ooh, good one!
	Is that two separate creatures, I presume, or I think?
	It was a night when there were three of them in camp.
	Three?
	Three creatures, yeah.
	And so, we had a lot of whoops that night.
	It was right after the rock popping, actually, that you heard last session we had here.
	But the whooping was, I think, between a couple of them, back and forth, and different intonations.
	I got different whoops than just those, but those are two kind of unique.
	I thought they were good.
	Scott, any emotion that you can attach to whoops?
	I mean, is it a way of one attracting you to another or just letting you know I'm here?
	I would assume that it was something like that.
	I would assume that it's something locational or something like that.
	I didn't sense much emotion in that.
	It's certainly some purpose to it.
	Maybe location.
	Um, alright.
	Whoop!
	Whoop! Whoop! Whoop!
	Huh?
	It almost does, huh?
	like sonar blips. It almost does, huh? It could have been trying to draw us out to the
	rocks just to see what we're gonna do because Bill and I and my friend who was
	there with me we just we just ridden in with our horses and started getting dark
	when all this started happening. You had horses with you?
	Yes. Oh I'm curious how How did the horses react to these sounds?
	They were paralyzed, just frozen.
	They don't scuttle or nothing.
	They just stand there still.
	Their ears are pointed right out towards where these sounds are coming from.
	I bet.
	But it didn't seem to bother them like bear.
	When bear come around our camp, which we got a lot of bear up there, they would fuss a lot.
	But they didn't fuss when these things were around.
	In fact, when we'd go out, sometimes we'd go out walking in the daytime, just hiking or something.
	And a horse, we leave our horses there and we come back and find some big footprints around our horses where they came in and examined our horses.
	I had no idea, Ron, that you had so much more than what we're hearing tonight.
	I assume you have hours and hours of it.
	Wow.
	Yeah, we do.
	A lot of it.
	And a lot of it, actually, Scott don't even have because it's just not the quality that we gave him the best quality we had.
	There was times when they didn't come in close to the mic, it was kind of more of a distance, you know, maybe the mic was pointing one way and they were on the other side of the shelter or something.
	Right.
	So these are some of the better quality ones we had.
	But yeah, this went on for, that's what makes it so interesting because it went on for not just one or two times, it went on for years.
	All right, now the next thing, you know, we could go on and on about this, but even with a three-hour show, we're pressed a little because I'm going to allow callers and stuff like that.
	So the next one says vocal exchange two.
	So is this kind of like the first one we heard, only different?
	No, this is between me and one of the creatures.
	between two of the creatures. It's one of them trying to get my attention and I was
	mocking it or mimicking it I should say. Or it was mimicking me. I'm not sure which way
	it was going. You'll hear it.
	So that is a successful tactic in trying to get them going is to make noise yourself?
	Well no, they were I think intentionally trying to attract me and I yelled at them.
	Basically, they came back at me with a yell of their own, and I tried to mimic that.
	You were fairly sure it wasn't a mating call, right?
	I wasn't thinking about it at the time, or I might not have done what I did.
	But it was an exciting night, I'll tell you that.
	Alright, Vocal Exchange 2, here it comes.
	I think.
	What are you trying to talk to this?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Oh.
	Oh, it's a car.
	Oh, it's a car.
	I like the laughing.
	Oh, it's a car.
	Yikes.
	For a good time, come to the fifth tree over the hill.
	Yeah, I was having a good time that night.
	Sounded like it.
	Yeah, I don't know what to say about that.
	I wish I knew what they were saying to me, what they were trying to say to me.
	Scott can never tell me that though.
	We can get one of them to say, ooga, ooga, that's a tree.
	You don't know what they're trying to say.
	No, you don't.
	You notice the difference in the sound, though, from the first image you heard.
	Oh, I'm absolutely sure.
	It wasn't quite as rapid sounding.
	And, Scott, I had a question for him years ago.
	Was it the same vocal mechanism or the same creature made that sound as made it was in the 7172 tapes?
	And he said, yeah.
	And so what we think and what he thought is that it slowed its articulation down to perhaps something they thought was communicable to us.
	And that's very exciting to me to think they actually did that.
	It means they're trying to communicate.
	Yeah.
	Oh, absolutely.
	It's communicating.
	Yeah.
	Alright, we're going to do this one again.
	Listen very carefully everybody, and you can tell which one is Ron very easily.
	of.
	I'm going to try and talk to this.
	I'm going to try and talk to this.
	Oh, God.
	Oh That must be something to be out there
	And you can tell that you're getting them going.
	There's no question about that.
	I mean, it worked.
	So my head has quite a story behind it.
	Again, I write about that in my book, but they knew who we were.
	They evidently saw us come in at the bottom when we packed our animals to head up there.
	And they knew where we were going.
	We found a huge track on the trail after our animals had got spooked.
	We wasn't sure what it was.
	Could have been a bear, could have been a deer, could have been anything, but we saw this big track sometime later perpendicular to the trail.
	Right.
	So we thought, well, okay, they're still around.
	It's fresh.
	No one else has been on the trail at all.
	And after so far, you don't leave a trail.
	You go different ways, so we didn't leave a trail.
	But when we got to camp, as soon as it started getting dark is when we started hearing the rocks going together and the whooping and then the interaction just heard and some more besides that.
	But we found a huge track in front of our shelter the next morning, actually.
	We knew it was made before we got there because Bill's dust cover off his rifle
	had fell into the track and it hadn't been crushed down.
	It was just tilted up on the track.
	So that track was made before we got there.
	But that's not the end of the story.
	Earlier that year, we had re-roofed the shelter with some fresh plastic, cut some with a machete,
	cut some vines off over at the springs and alders, put it up on top of the shelter.
	They were pretty dried up by the time this came around.
	And it was next morning we found two fresh alders been twisted off the spring and laid up there.
	And these we found where they were actually twisted off.
	They were inch and a half round.
	No human could do that, but it took an opposable thumb to make that happen.
	What strength they gotta have.
	But that's kind of like they knew we were coming where we were going.
	And that's St. Gene's Sea.
	Very smart.
	They were happy to see us.
	Right.
	Everybody always asks, and I'm getting messages on my computer called the wormhole, why no bones?
	Why no bones?
	Why no remains?
	Do they live forever or what?
	Well, the native war is that they take care of their own.
	If they're like a people, like I think they are, they probably bury their own, assuming they die.
	We don't find bones of a lot of animals.
	If anything lays around and lives very long it gets consumed.
	Nature takes care of itself.
	So it's not so unusual to not find bones.
	Okay.
	Somebody else said, well, you saw one and they asked, can you describe in any way the face of the creature?
	No, I can't.
	It was just fast.
	I remember that.
	It was just extremely fast.
	No human could go through the woods that fast.
	It was a bright moonlit night by the time it got dusk and started getting dark.
	It really wasn't dark.
	You could read a newspaper at 8,400 feet in those mountains.
	and it was so bright the moon was.
	That's why we got just looks of them bouncing between the trees.
	I sure don't know any animal that makes this sound like we've been hearing.
	Well, just a Bigfoot.
	I'm not sure all Bigfoots talk.
	And humans.
	Well, I don't know about humans.
	Some of those sounds I would not ascribe to a human.
	Certainly not that first one we played.
	That was incredible.
	Alright, we have one more new sound to play, and I think time to play it, yes.
	So, let's do that.
	You want to say anything about this, or should I just... Well, I think this is a question that they're asking me.
	And I don't know what they're saying, but it just sounds, the intonation is like they're wanting me to say something to them.
	I call it the question, the Apollo question, because it's just, it's always puzzled me is what they were asking me, and I don't know what it was.
	I thought it was kind of unique, so I gave it to you.
	All right, here it comes.
	What's that?
	What?
	I'll go for it!
	What?
	Go for it!
	Okay, I've just seen the lights here.
	Wow. Um, yes. Um, you could almost hear...
	almost an inquiry. Maybe one of the sounds you made...
	made them respond in that way, asking... trying to ask you a question, huh?
	I think so.
	I don't know what, but we were just, again, when they started off that evening, we just ignored them.
	That's how you get them to come in.
	And we were just, we had a stove fire going.
	We packed the stove up there years before and assembled it after we got up there on mules.
	But we were just there, had built a fire, basically had our horses out.
	And when these things started doing all this stuff, we got our little recorders out of our saddlebags.
	set them up and started recording the things.
	It was an exciting evening, and that again, that's the evening that we both got to get glimpses of them.
	My daughter, the other guys have just about all of them, except for Alberry, got to get glimpses of these things.
	My daughter has seen some of them really clearly, and she described it as a seven-foot-tall, slender male,
	and just broad shoulders.
	But when it turned, it doesn't turn.
	It turns its whole body.
	It didn't.
	They don't seem like they have a neck.
	They got to have a neck, but they don't turn their neck.
	Did she get close enough to see a face?
	Yeah.
	She's described as she looked like just a big black basketball player.
	Really?
	They have a very human-like face from all the reports.
	I've been interviewing people now for all these years and they have very human-like expressions on their face.
	I have reason to believe that they are part human.
	I don't know about the language thing, if they all have language or not.
	The ones you've been around certainly seem to.
	These have language.
	We know that.
	The nature of language would say that if species-wide, if one clan has language, it would essentially be species-wide.
	Okay.
	All right, gentlemen, hold tight.
	Here we go.
	But one more time.
	Alright, so now here's what we're going to do folks.
	We have two experts with us, one an investigator, the other a linguist, a crypto linguist at that, and a lot of experience with Bigfoot between them.
	So if you have questions about what you've heard, Oh, by all means, I'm going to open up the lines.
	We're headed shortly into a break, but I'm going to open up the lines.
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	I invite you to pick up the phone and ask whatever you would like, but these are the clearest, wildest Bigfoot sounds I've ever heard in my life.
	We're going to replay that, number one.
	That was awesome.
	I'm Art Bell, and this is Midnight.
	We have two guests with us tonight.
	Ron Moorhead.
	A researcher for a very long time now, 40 plus years, and Scott Nelson, who is a cryptolinguist with 35 years experience, and we're talking Bigfoot.
	Boy, have we been talking Bigfoot.
	So, gentlemen, welcome back.
	I want to play that number one one again because it's so impressive.
	I would take it that because you played it first, you probably brought it to me because it's one of your better Or even best samples.
	Would that be fair?
	I wouldn't say it's the best.
	It's just one of many of the same type vocalizations that we have.
	At the beginning, 71, 72, most all of them sounded kind of like that.
	Just big, confrontational, and you heard the whistle later on, and that was less.
	That was the interaction, and that was in 72.
	Well, let me rephrase.
	The best I've heard tonight, how about that?
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, we'll go with that one.
	Alright.
	I should have given you more like this, I guess.
	I guess you should have.
	This was so impressive.
	Listen carefully, folks.
	I'm going to tell you a story.
	You know, it seems to me like it's the male that lost the argument at the end there, and that's just frustration.
	I want to go maybe overseas.
	I'm not sure.
	I'm not great at adding stuff, but I believe Steve is here.
	Where are you calling from, Steve?
	Hey, Ross Wills.
	I'm calling from Germany.
	It's me again, Steve, from Germany.
	You had a guy on about two weeks ago about Bigfoot and I asked the question he couldn't answer so I thought I'd ask these guys.
	It's about a Bigfoot that was captured named Daisy from the team Qantas.
	Is this a true story or is this just fabrication?
	I don't believe I've ever heard of that.
	What did you call him?
	What was his name?
	Uh, well, Steve is the fellow who was calling in.
	I mean, did it have a name?
	He's apparently gone now, so he was depending on you for an answer.
	Steve, you're not still there, are you?
	No, I don't think so.
	Sorry about that.
	I guess we're not going anywhere with that.
	You weren't familiar with it.
	So, I'll tell you what.
	Let's try another, and it'll be Max this time, on with Ron and Scott.
	Good evening.
	Good evening.
	Nice to talk to you again, Ron.
	We've actually met a few times.
	I worked with the BFRO up here in Washington State.
	We know a lot of the same people, Tom Yams and Paul up here in Washington and whatnot.
	I had a question for you, one thing I've never heard, and maybe you mentioned it tonight, I missed the first hour and a half or so.
	What do you suppose happened to that family group that was in there?
	Are you still getting, you know, reoccurring things happen?
	I know there's been, if I understand correctly, the area is still undeveloped and pretty remote, but I never heard what the follow-up over the years has been with that group that was in there.
	No, I think it's the same group.
	I was there in 2011, which was my last trip.
	I've been unable to get in there since then just because of a fire or the road being closed off or something, but the actual area is still there and still intact.
	That was my last encounter I had.
	I don't know if it's the same family group.
	I tend to think it is because there were young ones involved in the 70s and I don't know how old these things live to be, but they seem to recognize me or want to, for some reason or another, show themselves.
	Not show themselves physically, but they'll let me know they're there.
	And they certainly let me know they were there in 2011.
	Scott Nelson and I had been up there three times that summer for a week each time, trying to capture more vocalizations.
	And a few little things happened, but after he left to go back to work, I went up there by myself.
	Which is really not a smart thing to do.
	You get hurt in a lot of ways, but one of them came around and made a big wood knock right outside this little tent I'd set up, and I heard some chatter going on, and then it started walking around, and basically it was daylight when they first made themselves known, but I didn't see anything.
	I just heard it right there.
	It was like a .44 Magnum going off right outside my tent.
	I've experienced those wood knocks real close in the dark.
	I think it's the same family group, but again, who knows?
	Yeah, I've experienced those wood knocks real close in the dark.
	It's startling, to say the least.
	I had one more question, if I have time, Art.
	You do.
	Oh, no, I forgot what it was.
	I saw on Facebook here that you might be doing a couple shows,
	some Bigfoot conventions and whatnot in the next year.
	I was wondering if there's anything you wanted to talk about there.
	I had an opportunity to sit down with Bob Gimlin a few years ago.
	When you talk to Bob, of course he was the other half of the Patterson footage.
	Bob was there with Roger when they I got that footage there.
	We talked to Bob.
	He's kind of iffy as to whether or not that encounter was something he wished had happened
	in his life.
	He's had a lot of negativity come of the publicity and whatnot.
	Of course, he's made up for it in recent years, but overall, he kind of has said that he wished
	if he had it all over to do again that it didn't happen to him just because of that.
	How do you feel if you had it to do all over again?
	Would you have done the recordings and brought them forward and all of that, or would you wish you'd kind of kept it to yourself?
	Thanks for the question, but no, I would do just what I'm doing.
	At the time, I didn't know that I'd be doing this.
	Believe me, Al Berry, who is deceased now, but he's the one who talked me into just start talking about it because I could get my Well, we were invited.
	He got out because he wrote the book, so the word got out, and the people that were involved in it got out, so we started talking about it.
	But I would do it again.
	It was a very exciting time.
	It's a very exciting time still for me.
	I've traveled, as you know, all over the world researching this phenomenon, and it's something I think we need to know.
	I need to know more, but I think I've got some Ideas that are very compelling.
	It's really good that you came on this particular show, because we've got spectacular audio.
	So people can hear this, particularly with headphones, in super fidelity.
	So I'm glad you came here.
	He asked you about shows, by the way.
	Well, Scott Nelson and I just did a show this last weekend in Oklahoma, and the Killing
	Bigfoot cast was there to talk, basically, or filming.
	And it was a packed out place.
	It was really a good program.
	I'm on your program tonight, so that's good.
	Tomorrow I get Skyped by another network doing something, and then this weekend I'm going
	to the Olympic Project to meet up with some good people.
	And I have, in November, I've got the Sasquatch Summit, which is held here in Washington.
	I'm sure you know about that, Max.
	We'll have a good time there.
	Scott Nelson is going to be with me there and he adds a lot to what my program I do.
	He mentioned the Patterson film again and so I want to ask you, there has been some recent speculation that a third person or another person is seen to the left in the video moving about.
	Have you heard about that?
	I've heard speculation like that.
	I've never saw that myself, but there's a lot of speculation on the Patterson film.
	It comes right down to it.
	It's a female walking, and they caught her on film, and it's spectacular.
	There's a lot of speculation that she was trying to lead them away from a young one on the left.
	Is that what you're referring to?
	Yes, another something moving.
	Yes, indeed.
	I don't know.
	I've seen that film as much, not as much as anybody, but I've seen it a lot and I've never looked for that specifically because Bob said he didn't see anything and anything else.
	All right, all right.
	Let's go to the phones, and I think Fallon, Nevada, hello.
	Hello, how are you doing, Art?
	Doing fine.
	Great.
	Very impressive recordings.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	The main reason I called is the Sierras are very near and dear to me, and I used to do a lot of backpacking for weeks at a time back in the early 80s.
	And the one that sent chills down my spine was the one with the rocks.
	My wife woke me up one night on one of our treks and... Not with rocks, I hope.
	Not on me, you know.
	But we heard the clanking and it sounded like guttural-type voices, but they were much in the distance.
	But you could definitely hear the clanking of rocks and what sounded like guttural-type communication.
	And they were in two different directions, like you guys said, almost a communication.
	No, I'm not going to give the location.
	It's just somewhere off of 395 there.
	But yeah, that sent chills down my spine when I heard that one.
	And what kind of made me laugh and really call in is one day I took off the trail, because we had a base camp set, and way off the trail, and I found a pyramid of spam cans.
	Just, I mean, I don't know why they were in that shape and it was all stacked up, but it was a pyramid of Spam cans that had been tore open.
	It looked like, you know, bitten into, tore open.
	And I just thought it was funny.
	It was like a monument almost.
	And I just kind of cracked up there.
	A monument to Spam.
	I heard him say he left Spam cans, and they were old cans.
	This was in the early 80s when I used to go, so I just kind of thought that was funny and I cracked up.
	Yeah, interesting.
	They really do love Spam, huh?
	Well, they ate it when we left it out, but we started taking better food up there.
	We packed in more with the mules and all.
	Anyway, they'll eat whatever you leave them as long as it's not rank.
	They also left a jar of peppers open one time, hot peppers.
	Oh, hot peppers, really?
	It was the same night we left that raunchy meat out that I talked about earlier.
	I was going to say, are you trying to invite an attack?
	Well, it was wrong.
	I mean, we should have done that, but all the peppers were gone the next morning.
	These things had came in that night, and they didn't take any more food from us the rest of that year.
	All right, on Skype, Joe, hello.
	Oh, can you hear me?
	Yep, sure.
	OK, I got a couple of questions.
	Some people talk about digital recording devices as opposed to the older cassettes and stuff.
	Do you think that has any effect on what you're getting?
	Oh, I'm sure it would.
	I think the digital recorders are better.
	Cassettes is all we had during the 70s when these things were real close to us.
	I use a H2 Zoom-in now, which is very small, very lightweight.
	It'll record it omnidirectional on four different channels.
	You can put lithium batteries in that with a large chip, and it'll last a long time.
	Ooh, I have a question.
	There have been reports of people in the presence of Bigfoot with recorders, like we're talking about right now, but with batteries dying.
	It happens.
	It's happened to me.
	It's happened to Scott.
	That very night, I told you, when they came around my camp in 2011, when I was there by myself, I had my little digital recorder with brand new lithium batteries in it.
	So you've observed that as well, Scott?
	I heard it going on. I turned that thing on and batteries were dead.
	So you've observed that as well, Scott?
	Oh yes, yes. Well, Ron and I both have.
	I mean, we've sat there and virtually watched, you know, the gauge on our H2 recorders.
	Wow.
	You can almost watch it drain.
	I get it.
	So, boy, that sure does put it over in the paranormal camp.
	Caller, anything?
	Yeah, do you think that the Bigfoots can detect the digital versus the older cassettes, you know?
	Well, I think everything makes a vibe, a vibration of some type, and it's possible they can pick up that vibration.
	Well, you know, electronics put out like a frequency or something, you know, digital.
	Yeah, I'm sorry, I must have talked over you.
	I do think they probably can.
	I know, I'm quite sure they pick up infrared.
	They also probably pick up infrasound and speak and probably make infrasound sounds.
	But everything has a vibration.
	And these things, trail cams, all that, have a vibration.
	And I think probably they can do that.
	I don't know.
	It's all speculation.
	But I would say yes, they could probably do that.
	And I don't know about the cassettes, but I don't know why they wouldn't have a vibration, too.
	And if they can sense that, then they would know.
	Right.
	Okay, another thing I was wondering about, a lot of people talk about the smell.
	Yes.
	Can your dogs track the smell and maybe find out if they live in a cave or something?
	Have you ever tried to track them with dogs?
	Good point.
	Well, never see your dog again.
	No, I don't recommend people taking dogs if you're really wanting to research these things because the dog will go after them.
	You'll either lose your dog Or your dog will cower down.
	And on my second CD that I have, I got a recording of a man who lost his dog, and he just called the Sheriff's Department after he'd seen this Bigfoot.
	And it was quite compelling to listen to him, because it was all real.
	You hear the Sheriff's Department asking questions, and right when he's had the sighting, his dog had gotten killed.
	Big German Shepherd.
	So, in what manner was it killed?
	He said he heard a squeal, heard a big thunk, like a hit on the ground, and he's seen it just sailing over the trees.
	While we're on the subject, are there any reports of Bigfoot harming a human?
	No.
	Not that I know of.
	Albert Osman was taken away, supposedly, in his report of 1934, interviewed by John Green in the 50s, and he supposedly was kidnapped, carried away, and held captive by a family, two adolescents and a male and a female, Area in Canada, this is up to Toby and that I researched
	that when it flew over it with my plane for seven hours one day and
	Trying to find where he was but could not find the spot. So you're you're a pilot Ron. I am yes
	That leads to another question. There have been many people who have asked if there is any
	Reason to to think that somebody who is a pilot like you with some sort of downward-looking
	Heat signature or something or another might be able to look for these creatures
	I'll see you next time.
	I think people have tried that.
	If you're going to see one, it's going to be by accident.
	I know the technology is there, but my gosh, how much you'd have to fly to pick one up.
	You'd have to know the weight of it or have some heat-seeking technology that would actually, you could limit the size of the creature to 1,000 pounds, 800 pounds, otherwise you'd be picking up a rabbit and Well, that's true.
	I would think, though, that in the winter, for example, or the colder weather, it would be very easy to spot with heat signature, you know, as opposed to the background ground.
	Well, that supposes they're warm-blooded.
	We don't even know that, really, do we?
	We think they are.
	They're primates.
	But again, it would take a lot to do that, a lot of funding, and just a lot of time, too.
	Yeah, but they might be paranormal primates.
	That's right.
	You're hitting on something there, Art, that sounds pretty interesting.
	It does.
	There's a lot of enigmas associated with these creatures, and I do believe that when they're in our dimension, our three-dimensional world that we live in, four if you want to count, time, That they have to respond and live by our rules.
	But I think they may have some alien something in the DNA that maybe got altered from a caveman or a great ape or something.
	All right.
	Kansas City, Missouri, you're on with Ron and Scott.
	Hi Art.
	Hi.
	Just a couple of things here.
	I'm kind of, I'm thinking about Elaine right now, hearing about these spam sandwiches and Elaine's ham sandwiches and her pie.
	Yes.
	Okay?
	Yes.
	I have a question though specifically for you Art, and it's about bugs.
	I know bugs has come up a few times here and there.
	If I brought up the name Ed or Edgar, would you be familiar with that?
	I wouldn't comment one way or the other.
	Okay, I kind of assume so.
	I just wonder if you would comment on Bugs and the map and all that.
	Yeah, I would leave it to the family.
	As you know, the person Bugs has passed away and I really, really, really feel that it's up to the family to decide whether to release the map or whatever.
	Have you heard the same thing out there that many of us have heard about the NSA showing up at his door with your map and making them take him to the graves of the Bigfoots?
	No, because my map is, let's put it this way, I don't want to talk about this, sir.
	I'm sorry.
	No, I respect that and thank you for taking my call.
	Thank you for making it.
	You've heard the story, gentlemen, about bugs, I'm sure.
	I have, yes.
	It was very convincing.
	Don't know if it was true.
	There's no way to know, but I did receive a map.
	I will say no more.
	Kirby.
	Hello, Kirby, on Skype.
	Kirby, you're very, very loud.
	Back away a little bit.
	Oh, sorry.
	Is that any better?
	Not much.
	Back away a little more.
	Sorry guys, I just set this up here to check the audio levels.
	Yeah, it's okay now.
	Okay, great.
	earlier on in the interview, guys, you mentioned that at some point in the discussion that
	some of the audio might have people take a second sobering thought about reaching out
	to these creatures.
	And I'm just curious if that's exactly what you're referring to there.
	Yes, they are bigger, stronger, faster, smart.
	It certainly has me.
	And if DNA can be manipulated or presented in which I think it can, these things, in
	my opinion, are hybrids and they possibly have alien something in them, which gives
	them attributes which we aren't quite understanding totally yet.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Hold it, hold it.
	That's a whole new direction you just pointed toward.
	You said hybrid.
	Yes.
	Elaborate, please.
	Hybrid of what?
	From alien intervention into a great ape of some type.
	Changing the DNA, giving them their cognizance, and giving them all the attributes that humans have, basically.
	And we're hybrids, if you want to believe in God.
	He made us in His image.
	We are cognizant creatures, which are very unique.
	We have dominance over these things.
	That's why you can tell them to go away, and they'll go away.
	But there could be a very sinister reason for their existence.
	And they will toy with people.
	They will befriend people.
	But there's a reason they're staying so hidden behind the trees in the backwoods of America.
	And I have my opinion of that.
	Basically, I know that hybrids have been here.
	I've seen the evidence of it with scientists down in Peru.
	And again, UFOs are commonplace down there.
	You're right.
	This is a different direction, which we haven't hit on tonight, but it's how I put the dots together.
	I've been hearing a lot about hybrids lately.
	I am a Christian.
	I believe in God, and I believe that we're made in the image of God.
	So we have unique abilities, too, which we have not learned how to access totally.
	But these things, they're made in the image of something else, and they have a lot of attributes.
	All right.
	Can they disappear?
	I've interviewed people who are there that say these things disappear right in front of their eyes for a long time.
	I just do those count outs.
	And you've never seen that?
	I've never seen them disappear.
	Scott and I found some tracks that disappeared.
	Couldn't figure out where they went.
	All right.
	Well, that's pretty good, actually.
	They just suddenly end.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Kirby, anything else?
	No, that's great, guys.
	That gives you No, I don't think I would take those recordings out into the woods and just take them out and play them.
	No, no, no, no.
	Let's go to, my goodness, Silverdale, Washington?
	Okay, well that's great, appreciate it.
	Right, I don't think, no, I don't think I would take those recordings, you know, out
	into the woods and just take them out and play them.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	Let's go to, my goodness, Silverdale, Washington?
	Is that correct?
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Yes.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	I wanted to, hello, I wanted to ask Scott and Ron if that meet was ranked, which it
	was and they buried it, and they like to seem to eat cooked meat.
	Have you ever found any indication that there's any fires that they've had, you know, with
	the leftover kindling or anything?
	No, nothing.
	I mean, we've looked.
	I've looked a lot over those mountains to find some type of evidence for them like that.
	I think they probably live in caves when they're here.
	They don't have fires.
	I would give them away, and I think they're forbidden to really interfere with humanity.
	Okay, we're getting sudden noise from somewhere.
	What kind of protein do you think they eat?
	Do they just convert plant to protein?
	Alright, we're going to hold it there, Trish, because there's noise coming on your line.
	I have no idea what that is.
	They're omnivores, I'm quite sure.
	They eat like we do.
	They have the protein needs like we do.
	The hair, the scat, all that, we turned into different facilities in the 70s, but at that time DNA wasn't up for grabs.
	If we had that same evidence now, we could probably get some DNA out of it.
	Their scat, defecation they leave is masticated, huge though, and they could tell you what it was eating at the time, but they couldn't tell you what it was.
	All right, let's go to Delano, California, on the phone.
	Hi.
	Hi, how are you doing, R?
	OK.
	Hey, recently I watched a show on Discovery or Nat Geo, one of those channels, where they were talking about trying to figure out if dolphins were actually speaking a language.
	That's right.
	And they actually put it on a curve, and each little squeak and everything was just like English.
	You open a book and count how many ands and does and ors and you put it in a graph and it comes out to a perfect curve which would tell them that it's an actual language.
	They did that with the dolphins and they could tell that they were actually speaking a language.
	I was wondering if these tapes I've been subject to that type of scrutiny to find out if it is an actual language.
	Well, if the answer is yes, Scott would answer yes to that regarding these sounds, but I think a better question is what he set up.
	Scott, are you aware of that they're looking for language abilities in dolphins?
	Well, I don't know of that particular study, but it's been postulated for many years that whales, for instance, and dolphins and And other animals have communicative, you know, exchanges.
	Right.
	If you will.
	But the difference in these tapes is that this is language by the human definition of it.
	We can call those other things whale, whale utterances if you want.
	You know, we can call that language if you want, but it's not language by the human definition of it.
	Whereas these utterances are articulated exactly in the same way that we, that humans do.
	Yeah, the way I understood them though was that they could take any book in any language and take all the words out of that book, throw them in, and then they start counting.
	How many ands, buts, or this and that?
	Yes, yes.
	And then the least frequent word would make an arc.
	Okay, gentlemen, we've got to hold it there.
	Word break.
	Sorry about that.
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	But we do have one for everybody to relax every hour.
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	Gentlemen, welcome back.
	You're back on the air, both of you, and this is good stuff.
	I mean, in terms of the Bigfoot world, it's great stuff.
	Here's something I want to ask about.
	It's rights.
	As American citizens, we have lots of rights under the Constitution.
	As it sits right now, Bigfoot has no rights.
	And I wonder if that's something that you've given much thought to, whether there has to be some sort of legislative or constitutional change or something that protects these creatures, because otherwise, if they can be shot, they will be eventually shot.
	Everything else has been Well, supposedly they've been shot.
	I've heard a lot of accounts that people shoot them, but they never find the body for some reason.
	I think I know why, but I don't think they need our protection, really.
	I think they're, I mentioned in the last session, I think they're here for a purpose and basically If I'm wrong, and I could be wrong, I'll say that, I'm still learning, but they're... they're... I'm getting sleepy, Art.
	It's alright.
	No problem.
	I've got lots and lots of people to talk to you.
	For example, hello there, you're on the air, on the phone.
	Yeah, hello, Art.
	Hi, I have some questions for your guest.
	Ron has made several mentions of Bigfoot supposedly having an agenda where he knows why they're here.
	I would like to know why he thinks they're here, and also where he thinks they came from, and if there are any different species among the Bigfoot.
	Alright, that's a lot of questions.
	Well, why are they here?
	I guess I mentioned last time, I'm a Christian, I believe, and there is end times coming for us.
	If you want to believe the Bible and believe some of the things it says, there's going to be alien intervention into our humanity, stronger than it was before in the days of Noah.
	That was a reason for the Flood.
	Get into the spirituality of what these things could be.
	What we are as spiritual beings, or what we are as human beings, And basically, I think they could be entangled quantumly by their creator, whoever it is, and I think it could be aliens.
	And that sounds a little out there, but I said that ten years ago, I'd been probably locked in the Looney Tunes, but I know aliens have been here.
	I've seen evidence of it.
	They could be here now.
	I think we need to watch for inundation of it, because they're going to offer humanity advanced technology, and that's what you've got to watch for, because that's what they gave us in the days of Noah.
	Right.
	Do you believe there are different species?
	I believe there could be different ones, and as many different aliens there are, there could be different Bigfoots.
	I know Scott mentioned that language is species-wide.
	Well, that's if they're the same species.
	They've got a different type of foot.
	They're in Nepal.
	They're different.
	They're different.
	And I think they could be from different alien intervention into changing DNA, altering, manipulating DNA of some type of animal.
	Could have been a bear.
	Could have been a human.
	Do you make the same kind of jumps, Scott, that Ron does?
	No, I don't go there.
	I keep my speculation to what I'm an expert in.
	Right.
	So I, of course I have private speculation, but I don't take that step.
	I try to stick with the language stuff.
	Okay.
	Kurt, hello on Skype.
	Hey Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Hi, I'm Kurt from Tullis in Arizona.
	I wanted to ask them, have they ever taken any pictures of them Yes, a very, very, very good question.
	And the answer is no?
	No.
	We've tried and tried.
	Never could get a picture.
	The only thing we could capture was their sounds, the vocalizations.
	Again, as I mentioned in your first hour, we underestimated what we're dealing with, their intelligence level, their awareness, their intuitiveness.
	I underestimated it totally.
	And we never could snap a picture.
	We had three cameras thrown off a tree, broken open with a thread, you know, to trigger them a six foot high and right where they've been coming in after the food and we couldn't capture it.
	Yep, that was back in film days, right?
	Pardon me?
	That was back in film days, right?
	Yeah, when you had film.
	Yeah, 35 millimeters.
	I just don't believe this.
	I just don't believe that my Lord would allow these beans to be out there making that kind of noise.
	I think it's all fake, and I think that you're all lying, and that's all I have to say, and have a nice night.
	You're gonna hang up.
	What a chicken.
	Oh no, I won't hang up.
	You want me to stay on?
	I do.
	I want you to stay on.
	Don't say something like that and then just hang up.
	That's rude.
	Okay.
	I know.
	I'll stop.
	I just don't believe them.
	I think they're lying.
	I think they're full of crap.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Let him respond.
	There's no reason for spending 40 years of my life chasing this stuff.
	Yeah.
	How about that?
	I just think that 1972 from these recordings, Tricky Dick was in office.
	He was a big liar and I think you all are too.
	I'm just saying like I know my lord would not allow these hairy beings out there making all those crazy noises I think it's just a big made-up mess the man that first came up with Bigfoot Admit it before he died that it was a big joke.
	He made big old Footprints out of wood and did it and then after he did that my goodness the Bionic Woman $6,000,000 man came out with Bigfoot things are all kind of Bigfoot things all over the TV And now you all doing this actually the Bionic Woman and Big and $6,000,000 man came came out with that Sasquatch episode right about 1974 when you all say you saw him.
	I just think it's a big bunch of malarkey All right.
	Well, thank you for the call, and I don't appreciate the, you know, the analogy to Tricky Dick.
	I mean, you pulled that one out of somewhere.
	Well, everybody can think what they want to think.
	I really don't care that much if you don't want to believe in it, but, you know... He says the Lord wouldn't let it happen.
	Not something like that.
	Non-human.
	The Lord wouldn't let it happen.
	Well, where's the Lord?
	Where is He?
	You know, what is He?
	Since energy forces are within all of us, I think we all have a connection to God.
	He's looking at God like a separate entity someplace.
	And basically, I don't believe that at all.
	Even Jesus said, the Kingdom of God is within you.
	And basically, I wish that all could be one with the Father as I am one with the Father.
	Well, we've got to become one with the Father, not look at Him as a separate entity.
	Hi Art, it's Rob from Ottawa.
	Interesting show, Art.
	He's got the concept of God somewhere else.
	Even the Lord didn't strike down Dick Nixon.
	It took the Supreme Court, I believe, Congress.
	All right, anyway, to the phones.
	Hello, you're on the air.
	Oh, hi, Art.
	It's Rob from Ottawa.
	Yes, sir.
	Interesting show, Art.
	Oh, yes.
	Thanks for coming on, Ron and Scott.
	You're right, Art.
	This is a special show because we've put in the words hybrid into this equation and the
	word paranormal.
	And frankly I'm embarrassed for Art's audience with that last guy because I look at him as a troll.
	That's all he was.
	He doesn't even believe in Jesus.
	He's just called to troll.
	Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
	You know, Ron was getting a little sleepy.
	He needed that.
	You'll find Ron, Scott, you'll find our audience a very receptive audience, like we're open to thoughts and everybody has a right to Oh, sad.
	you know to voice their opinions but we are generally a very very receptive
	audience. Now you know you've answered all the questions that
	I had when I was putting on hold so I guess I just want to thank you
	for coming on to the show and you have to come back with more recordings and
	explore this hybrid and paranormal because I think they are popping in and out of our
	dimension and that's why you don't see bodies.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	A lot of people reporting portals, disappearances, and there's a lot going on that we don't see.
	I like the word portal, but it's been ruined.
	All right.
	Next caller on the phone.
	You're on the air.
	Hi.
	Well, that was a good clearing of the throat.
	I'm sorry, that was me.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Call her.
	Go ahead.
	Butte, Montana.
	Hello.
	Oh, hello!
	There you are!
	Hi, sorry, uh, you took my good question that I thought I had about the paranormal stuff in Bigfoot, but... I'm sorry.
	I was wondering if any of you have heard of John Keel?
	He writes a lot about cryptozoology and He kind of goes into the paranormal thing with Bigfoot a little bit and relates it to things like the Mothman and I don't know, kind of similar things, but he, uh, he talks a lot about some kind of, maybe they can go onto a different frequency that shares the same space as us, but it's on just a different frequency, like radio waves.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And his name again, please.
	John Keel.
	How about it, anybody?
	I haven't heard that name, but I've heard that theory.
	In fact, I subscribe to that somewhat.
	They do, I think, are able to get on different frequencies, and if they're interdimensional like I think they could be, they definitely have those attributes.
	Okay, there you go.
	Let's bring Roxanne on on Skype.
	Hi, Roxanne.
	Extinguish your device, please.
	Can you hear me okay? I hear you. Good. I called about a week ago about my experience with Bigfoot
	and it was a very interesting one. It was the middle of the night, it was in Arkansas
	and we were driving and we almost ran it over.
	Oh, that's right!
	Actually, you're the lady who had Bigfoot hit the side of your car, right?
	He hit the trunk of the car and left dents of the palm of both hands.
	Yeah.
	The next morning we went and checked it, but I saw his face, okay?
	Yep.
	And one question I have tonight is yes it does look human and it had hair but it also had like a rough or a like a an ape type of thick skin but it had red orange glowing eyes and I don't think it was from the tail lights the eyes and that gave me the creeps.
	That gives me the creeps too.
	I don't remember hearing any sounds so All right, Roxanne, thank you.
	That was a very interesting call.
	Actually, she said that she didn't hit Bigfoot.
	Bigfoot hit her car and left marks, you know, dents in the car.
	Quite a story.
	They will hit your house, too.
	You hear a big beat on your house or something?
	There you go.
	They toy with you.
	I like to say that.
	They'll play games with humans because, again, they think that we think we're smarter than them.
	They have the edge over us because they can do that stuff.
	They can jump so fast, move so fast.
	Yes, sir.
	Down in Texas, you're on the air.
	Yes, sir.
	How you doing, Art?
	Doing okay.
	Appreciate you getting back on the radio.
	I was toiling on the radio today.
	I was on 1070 and they said Art Bell's back on the radio.
	Me and my wife were just extremely happy because we were just listening to Somewhere in Time every Saturday.
	We live for it.
	Well, I'm happy to be back, sir.
	Well, it made me feel great.
	I called all the way to IHART in San Antonio, their corporate office.
	Where are you hearing us now?
	I'm calling you from Galveston, Texas, but I'm catching you on 1030 in Houston.
	In Houston.
	All right.
	Well, welcome to the program.
	Do you have a question?
	But I did do that.
	I just want to let you know I've called every major radio station today in this area, all the way to San Antonio.
	I'm telling Mark Bells back on there, you better get that boy back on the air.
	I'm bored.
	All right, sir.
	Thank you.
	I'm bored to death.
	Yes.
	Do you have a question for my guest?
	Yes, sir.
	One thing.
	Tell that guy he don't believe that the Lord would make any weird noises.
	Tell him to go down to the Houston Zoo and look at the gorillas.
	And also tell him to go and look at the Lady of Fatima when that saucer-shaped sun came down to Earth and went back to 70,000 people.
	Well, the Lord would never do anything like that.
	Yeah, tell him to open up his eyes so he can see a lot of things around.
	Well, the Lord does many things, more than even he knows.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	I'll slip into that character.
	Tom calling on Skype.
	Hello.
	No, I guess not.
	Let's give Skinny Bob, we're going to give Skinny Bob one chance here.
	Hello.
	Going once, going twice, gone.
	And to the phones we go to... I'm not sure where, but on the phone you're on the air.
	Hi, I'm Millie in Arkansas.
	I'm going to give a shout out to Art Bell Time Travelers, first of all.
	They took my question, so I've been trying to think of something to ask, and I guess a good question would be, does your guest go to the same place all the time, or does he have different places that he goes to to find these?
	Is he just like tracking one specific family, or does he just, you know, where does he go?
	I mainly go to the Sierra Camp.
	That's where I like to go because I think they know me up there.
	I have been all over though.
	I've explored and been invited to all kinds of places.
	Here in the Olympics, where I am now, it seems like a real hot spot.
	There's a lot going on here.
	I can't wait.
	I haven't been here that long, since just last February.
	No, I go, I've been to Peru, I've been to Russia, I've been in Siberia, I've been into Nepal, researching the enigmas and basically there weren't so much enigmas over there, just sightings and trying to find out more about them.
	How it might relate to Bigfoot over here, if there's a commonality in the species.
	Right, right.
	Do you spend the night there?
	Do you like camp out, have tents?
	Yeah.
	Do you stay in the trees?
	No, I don't grow in the trees.
	Sometimes we're packing with horses.
	It depends on where I'm at, where I'm going.
	I have two horses now and I haven't got to use them yet.
	It's just been so busy for me doing different things.
	But all I do now is sort my businesses out, and I'm just a researcher.
	Okay, ma'am, I'm sorry.
	We've got to leave because the show is getting ready to end on us.
	Not a thing I can do about that.
	So I'm going to start by saying, Ron Scott, thank you so much for being here.
	And anybody want to plug anything, do it now.
	Well, thank you for having us.
	Give a shout out to Daniel in Dublin.
	That's in California.
	Okay.
	How about books?
	Books?
	I have a book, Voices in the Wilderness, on my website, ronmorehead.com or bigfootsounds.com.
	I have two CDs I've produced with sounds.
	Some of them you've heard here tonight, but basically they're each 40 minutes long.
	And the first one is Albury's story.
	He's an investigative reporter.
	The second one is my story.
	And the book is my 40-year chronicle of what I've been doing all this time.
	Excellent.
	Scott, anything you want to mention?
	Nope.
	Stay tuned.
	That's just a perfect line for this show.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you both.
	Thank you, Art.
	Thank you Art.
	Have a good night.
	Alright, well that's it folks, we're out of time.
	Out of time.
	So we'll do it again tomorrow, and by the way, there'll be an open line show on Friday,
	which is just when I do fun stuff.
	So if you have a suggestion for, I don't know, a good special line, email it to me, artbell
	at artbell.com.
	Seems pretty easy, right?
	Artbell at artbell.com.
	And by the way, I think Amy is just fantastic.
	Fantastic.
	Good night, all time zones.
	Midnight in the desert, and there's wisdom in the air.
	I've been looking for the answers, all my life I've held you there.
	Oh As the world we live in threatens Are we heeding all the signs?
	Have we lost our intuition?
	Are we running out of time?
	Midnight in the desert And we're listening Ooh, we're listening And we're listening

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