Dr. Albert Taylor, aeronautical engineer and former Strategic Defense Initiative researcher, bridges science and the paranormal, explaining how OBEs—verified through shared details like a friend’s chandelier or a doctor’s NDE—occur near light REM sleep via techniques such as the "interrupted sleep method." His robots capture EVPs, night vision anomalies, and interactions with deceased souls in a temporary astral realm free from earthly judgments, while callers describe encounters ranging from kitten spirits to structured purgatorial spaces. Taylor dismisses OBEs as mere brain functions, citing electronic malfunctions during NDEs and DMT’s role in spiritual experiences, yet prefers natural methods for safety. These accounts suggest consciousness transcends physical form, offering glimpses into afterlife communication and higher-dimensional entities. [Automatically generated summary]
With you all, good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's time zone, each and everyone coming by.
This program, Midnight in the Desert, by Mark Bell.
Good to be here, and we're going to have a fun show tonight.
Reflecting very quickly on last night's program, yes, I know.
It was hard, harsh, scary, unfortunately realistic.
And that's what we do every now and then.
I think people have forgotten how I do programs over the years.
They have selective memories, and I will bounce back and forth between everything.
The scary, and then there's the other kind of scary.
We have ghosts, right?
That's good, scary.
Nuclear weapons, bad, scary.
I understand, trust me.
But I have always done that.
I have always bounced back and forth.
And people, I don't know, I think they tend to forget that over the years.
I mix it up a lot.
Like tonight, for example.
Mix it up.
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That's one.
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Let's read just a little bit of news.
We're going to talk about OBEs tonight.
You know, there's no question about it.
I know you guys love that topic, as do I. We did it all that not that long ago with President Bennett, but the real guy for OBEs, the original guy, is Dr. Albert Taylor.
He's going to be with us this night.
Well, Russia launched airstrikes Wednesday in Syria.
They were supposed to hit ISIS, but instead, they take this in quotes, mistakenly hit enemies of the regime there, and did a lot of damage, too.
So we kind of had a meeting with them in the middle of the day and said, Kwan, let's coordinate military activity here and do what needs to be done.
And they sort of said, duh.
So we'll see.
It's not good, though.
The Taliban is gaining new ground.
I don't have any good news, do I?
Taliban is gaining new ground in Afghanistan.
They have taken another key town.
It's just not good news at all.
So there are recommendations that American boots on the ground be extended for more time.
This is from theanomalous.com.
The world is full of anomalies and curiosities that defy explanation.
But ultimately, one of the biggest mysteries resides within our own human brains.
It's mostly an unexplored frontier that science only has begun to understand.
And this recent research on what's called blind sight is a perfect example of one of those inexplicable mysteries.
How are people able to still perceive the world around them when they've got either partial or total blindness?
But the fact is they can't.
Now, as if you needed any more convincing about aliens, it seems there is a top-secret FBI memo released by the Haiku Center for UFO Research in Tokyo, Japan, and they claim they've discovered a document that proves there is extraterrestrial life.
The FBI memo contains details about multiple, being piloted by three feet tall aliens, three foot tall aliens.
Bureau is said to be concerned about the findings at the research center.
I imagine they are.
Fearing the discovery could lead to members of the public gaining access to thousands of documents.
God knows where it might go.
The FBI memo reportedly reads, An investigator for the Air Force states that three so-called flying saucers have been discovered in New Mexico, described as being circular in shape, raised centers about 50 feet tall, or 50 feet rather in diameter, I'm sorry, each one occupied by three bodies of human shape, but only three feet tall, dressed in metallic cloth of a very fine texture.
According to Mr. Redacted, of course, right, the saucers were found in New Mexico due to the fact that the government has highly powered radar set up in the area, and it's believed the radar interferes with the controlling mechanism of the saucers.
Isn't that interesting?
They actually came to a conclusion, apparently, according to this, about what brought the saucers down, radar radiation.
Well, I'd have two comments on that.
Number one, the fact that this is included would indicate to me that after Marcel found what he found, it wasn't just all dismissed at all as a balloon or what have you, but they actually did enough of an investigation, if this is true, to have come to a conclusion, false though it may have been, that our radar brought them down.
That sort of adds an extra ounce of credibility to the whole story, in my opinion.
Well, all right.
Coming up, Dr. Albert Taylor.
He is a number one Los Angeles Times best-selling author and former, This Is Going to Get You, Aeronautical Engineer and Scientist on the International Space Station.
That's right.
Dr. Taylor spent two and a half decades evaluating systems designs on a wide variety of top-secret government programs like the F-117A Stealth Fighter, the Strategic Defense Initiative Anti-Ballistic Missile Program, and otherwise known as Star Wars.
He was born and raised in Southern California, so he's a California boy, currently a paranormal researcher, international lecturer, and speaker working on the latest book, which he calls Journey of the Cosmic Soul, a detailed scientific and spiritual study resulting from over 20 years of out-of-body paranormal and astrophysical research.
Beyond that, he is a robotics expert designing and building fully semi-autonomous robotic probes to support his ongoing research of various types of paranormal phenomena.
So there you have it.
That's an amazing, amazing background for somebody who's going to talk about what he's going to talk about.
I think it's absolutely incredible.
The way Zoom Electronics operates is incredible, too.
Anyway, Dr. Albert Taylor, about to talk with you about OBEs.
Okay, so I found out recently, having done a show with Preston Bennett, that this audience, this particular audience, is really wild, as am I, I might add, about OBEs.
It's the one thing that you can do within yourself that doesn't require expensive airline tickets.
It doesn't require special passes or anything else.
You can just do it.
You can go out of your own body, and I guess you can go anywhere in the world and beyond.
How you got to that stuff before, I mean, after the International Space Station and Star Wars and the F-117 and all that cool stuff, do you still possess classified stuff?
If you did, I'm surprised you're feeling well today.
That's really scary.
All right, so I sort of read your background in the government, but if you want to go into detail about what you did just short of classified, you're welcome to do so.
I mean, the International Space Station, that's interesting anyway.
Basically, I was responsible for the pressurized mating adapter that the shuttle used to dock to, and the crew would transfer from the shuttle to one of the nodes, which is a command and control node.
I was also responsible for the design and components in the command and control node.
I was also responsible for the cupola, which is like one of the coolest things on the space station, which is the windows in that octagonal pattern that you can then astronauts look out and they look at the Earth.
And also I was responsible for the airlock, which the astronauts don their EV, their spacesuits, and they exit to foreign maintenance and Research on the space station.
Well, if you remember when 2001, a Space Odyssey came out, we were thinking in 2001 we would have all those things.
We didn't even come close.
We're not even close to that now.
We've made some mistakes.
We've invested in every I love the shuttle, but we should not have invested in just the shuttle.
We should have had more than one heavy lift vehicle during that process that we were developing at the same time.
That way, we wouldn't be developing it now.
The SLS is a heavy lift vehicle, but we would have had it a long time ago.
It probably would have made it easier to build the space station also in its original configuration, which would have been able to build interplanetary vehicles in space in a big shed that we designed.
So I'm tremendously disappointed.
I think we're going to pick up speed and get going once Orion starts flying and all the other vehicles that some of the civilian stuff is doing and with people like Buzz Aldrin, which he's really pushing the Mars thing, which I think is so awesome, and the latest discovery of water, that is a huge incentive for us to go there.
So I think we're going to make up for lost time, but yeah, it has been a huge disappointment.
I thought that by now we would be working on warp-type drives.
And there are some out there trying to work on them.
But I mean, to use the kind of rockets we've been using to get into low Earth orbit or to geosync or even to the moon is never really going to get us very far.
Maybe it'll get us to Mars and back if those who go are lucky.
Yeah, I've seen some articles and videos on things that they're working on and even different concepts on types of engines.
And I think we're going to be able to do all of that.
And it's just going to take time, and we're going to have to be patient.
And you know what's really exciting, though, Art, is that civilian industries are getting involved.
And that's what drove the aircraft designs that we have today.
So once civilians get involved and start making it a profitable situation, because that's how our economy works, that's really what's going to drive the technology and the deeper exploration and the really exciting part of space travel.
You can go anywhere you can focus your consciousness on.
And that's a task in itself because you have to stay focused.
There's so much going on, and not everybody's going to be at that super conscious level to be able to do that.
Some people are going to be in various lower levels, like dream states, semi-conscious states, semi-lucid states.
So if you can focus your consciousness, and you can go there.
Most people think that you can focus on the same things that you would experience, that you want to do in everyday life, like you want to go to the Bahamas or something like that.
But that's not how it works, because when you get into that other state, which almost is like a hypnotic superconscious state, you're only going to be able to focus on what's passionate to you.
Preston said something that I would like you to deal with.
And I thought it was just kind of cool.
He said that depending On what you're walking through, you can feel a little something as you go through.
The more dense an object, it's not hard to walk through any wall, but the more dense an object, you feel a little something as you go through that density.
You know, the thing about the second body, or as Robert Monroe called it, or the astral body, is that it's super sensitive.
I mean, far more sensitive than the information you'd get from your five senses or touching something.
So when you feel a fiber or even pass through a surface, you feel almost every molecule that's in that surface.
And it's so incredibly, you can almost get, that's what I was saying, is you can focus on a place, you can go there, but it's so hard to focus on a distant place or a location because of the experience in the present that you're going through.
Just feeling that sensation, you can get lost doing that.
I remember in the beginning, I would just lay there moving my legs, my astral legs, up and then back down through the bed and touching the carpet and then moving up.
And I would just keep doing that.
I wasn't even thinking of flying or going anywhere, but that's how amazing the whole experience is.
So presumably in that state, you could walk through a person.
And if you did, as with other solid things, if you feel a little something when you move through it, I wonder if a living being would feel moved through.
I'm going to put it on my bucket list for sure because I don't see what happens.
But I would think because of the heightened sensations that you have, it might be a mind-melting kind of situation.
I think definitely you're going to pick up on some type of life force-like energy.
You're going to definitely be in touch with the astral energy.
So I think that there will be something, and because I've heard of people having near-death experiences at the same time, then car accidents, and they were able to feel each other's emotions and even communicate, I think doing that, you probably would be able to sense a lot of things.
Well, I'm glad that you brought up NDEs because I have talked to any number of people who have been actually either on top of or hugging a relative who died, Dr. Taylor, and they said they felt that person's soul pass through them.
We are, you know, I think, like I said a long time ago, and a friend of mine used to say, we are the ghosts that we think we see and things like that.
We are them.
So if we're the same thing, and in out-of-body experiences that I've had, you share a lot of emotion and not just thought energy, but you share a lot of emotion.
So for someone to transition from a living body and pass through a living person, I would imagine that that's going to be a very spiritual experience.
Probably not only losing a loved one, but the actual sensation is going to be life-changing.
Well, if you lost a loved one and felt that, you would interpret it instantly.
But if you were just in everyday life and somebody passed through you in an OBE state, you might just sort of go, oh, that was a weird feeling.
Something akin to that.
In other words, there'd be no bump.
There would be, though, a sensation of, I don't know, a sensation.
I'll try to find words for it.
Dr. Taylor, hold on.
We've got news, a couple spots, and then lots of open territory for discussion of OBEs.
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It could, you know, because there's some paranormal things going on there, ions involving ions.
So you could feel a sense of a chill, a sense of being cold.
You could feel a sense of being warm also, emotional, extremely emotional, like happy-sad kind of emotion, not just sad because of the person departing.
So, and you've got to think about this.
We are basically energy with a lot of different organic material.
The person dying is energy with a lot of organic material, but when the body dies, that energy stays, it doesn't die.
You can only transform energy.
So if that energy passes through your energy field, it makes sense that there is going to be some type of interaction and some type of flux in your energy field.
And because we sense energy emotionally, it's going to tap into that emotion that, you know, is affected by that kind of emotional or supercharged energy.
And this is what's awesome about it is because I totally understand the skepticism.
I was skeptical.
I didn't think this was even close to possible.
I grew up a Catholic and you didn't talk about this stuff.
Even though I was having strange things happen to me, there's no way I thought that I was having an out-of-body experience.
I think personally, you can talk to me and share with me until the cows come home about this, but if I don't have a personal experience, it really doesn't matter a whole lot.
So what's so really awesome about out-of-body experiences is that there's a certain mechanics to it, even though there's a certain spiritual and meditative state to it, but there's a certain mechanics to it that if you do these certain things, it increases your chances of having one.
And I suggest to anybody, be skeptical, but be open.
I think the personal experience proves it more than anything.
I can't say, you mean like I'll go to this room, like a remote viewing kind of situation where I'll go to this room and see what's there and come back and report it to you?
Yeah, something like that.
I think some people probably, maybe can do that.
I haven't been able to do that because it's very difficult for me to focus on very, very basic things like visiting Disneyland and because there's so much, the more I've done it over the years, the more it's become a spiritual, incredible, supercharged mirror.
I mean, you have experiences with the light and deceased loved ones and all the physical things that I thought I wanted to do pale in comparison.
So I think that's difficult to do that.
And I welcome if anybody out there who, because there's a lot of astral travelers out there who have skills maybe beyond mine, ever could be.
Okay, well, it's something like this, for example.
Let's say that you journey out of body and you go to Uncle Phil's in Northern California and you observe something in Uncle Phil's room that's Different or surprising or shocking, and you get back in your body and you pick up the phone and call Uncle Phil and verify whether or not what you just saw is the truth.
Well, I can share this experience that I have had, and I've had two interesting ones that led me to think that it's more than just a dream or something like that.
I had a friend of mine at work who I felt comfortable talking about this, and she said to come visit her.
And I thought, okay.
So through the process of relaxing and flying, because that's what you do in the out-of-body experience, and arriving at this location, the only thing I could do was start looking around and trying to remember, because it's very difficult to remember things, remember what I was saying.
So I saw a chandelier that was larger than it should have been in her particular dining room.
I saw a hallway with three doors.
I saw a window with an odd window in the corner of the room with a telephone pole blocking half of it.
And out that I saw an alleyway.
So when I came back to my physical body, I wrote all of this down.
And we were working at the space station at the time.
And I went upstairs, I know, talking about this space station.
Yeah, no, that wouldn't have been very good for getting a raise or anything like that.
But anyway, I shared it with her, and what I saw matched her apartment.
So I was, you know, that didn't matter to me.
I was still extremely skeptical.
But this was what really was interesting, is I had an experience with this woman who had a near-death experience.
And she also, she was the first person that ever told me, you're probably having out-of-buy experiences.
And I was really skeptical when she said that.
But she said, come visit me.
And so that night, because I was developing some techniques on how to get out, I was getting about, you know, 50% to 60% success in what I was doing, is I traveled to her house.
I found myself traveling.
And that's what's interesting, is you think you're flying alone, but you're really not.
You have company.
And so I thought I was flying alone, but I wasn't.
And I arrived at this location I had never been.
And I thought I was going to crash into the roof.
I went through the ceiling.
I could see the insulation.
I could see plumbing, electrical wire, and then I found myself at the foot of the bed of somebody in the bed.
And I'm looking at them, and I see it's the person that I wanted to see, the doctor who had had a near-death experience.
And I looked around the room, and the first thing I noticed was that I thought she had a cast on her leg, and then her leg was broken.
And I thought, okay, I don't remember her leg being broken at class, so that's something interesting to remember.
And another thing I remember is seeing twin beds, and her husband or somebody was, I knew she was married, sleeping on the other side of the room in another bed.
I guess they'd been married for a long time, but that might be besides the point.
I thought, okay, that's good to remember, too.
So when I returned back and wrote all this down, I couldn't wait to go see her.
She was teaching a college course at the local college out here.
And I went up to her and I said, something really incredible happened.
I had an incredible dream.
And she said to me, you know, on Saturday, because this is the same day I had the experience, on Saturday, I had a dream that you were standing at the foot of my bed.
I thought, hmm, okay.
And I looked at her leg.
Her leg looked fine.
It didn't look broken.
I thought, well, in the dream sequence I had, you had a broken leg, and you had something a white cast on your leg.
And she said, no.
She said, but I do sleep with a heating pad on my leg because I have arthritis in my knee.
And I thought, oh, well, that's interesting.
And then I said, you know, I know you're married, but in my dream situation, I said, you were on, your husband was sleeping way on the other side of the room.
And she said, yeah, he sleeps way on the other side of the room because he has sleep apnea and he wakes me up at night.
So I went home.
I mean, I went home shocked at this.
And I was thinking, could this, because I was thinking, could this be real?
Could we really be having, is it possible for a part of us to actually leave the physical body?
And does that mean that we have a soul or a spirit of some sort?
And I literally, I could not go to sleep all night long thinking about it.
So I went to the class because I was looking for answers on what was happening to me because it went from happening once every couple weeks to happening several times a week, three times a week, and then sometimes three times a night.
And this was happening at night, and then I'd have to go and literally fly to Houston Space Center and help train the astronauts on how to assemble the space station in the giant pool there.
So it was, let's say, distracting and stressful.
So I went to her to the class, and during the class, she was the first person outside of my family that ever said, has anybody ever felt paralyzed at night?
And my hand shot up because I'd never heard anybody talk about that except for my family.
And I said, yeah, it happens to me all the time.
And she immediately replied, and she was the first person that ever said, she said, you may be having out-of-body experiences.
My job doesn't seem to be affected by anything that would be indications, interaction with people, on and on, all these criteria that I didn't know that whole lot about.
But basically, he said you're fine.
But I was disappointed, Art, because I wanted him to find something.
I wanted them to find a physical thing so I could say, oh, that's it.
What do I do about it?
Take a pill, therapy, whatever.
But when he said I was okay, I knew that, okay, that means I'm on my own.
I've got to go back to the situation that's happening several times a night and deal with it.
And because I'm a researcher, I thought, okay, I'm going to go back and I'm going to document my descent into insanity.
Yeah, it honestly sounds like a real train of thought that I can understand for somebody who's in the hard sciences and is trying to figure out what the hell's going on in their own mind.
And I figured when they found me babbling and drooling in the corner, my manuscript, my book would be laying there and they could figure out how I got there.
Okay, first of all, it happens to almost everybody every night.
We just don't remember.
So one of the techniques is to remember it's happening.
Okay, that's one of the things.
We sleep, depending on how tired you are, we sleep very, very heavy in the beginning, and then we come up to a lighter REM state toward the morning, 1 o'clock, 2 o'clock, right before we wake up.
But what I did is I would go to bed about 10 o'clock at night.
I'd set my alarm for about maybe 2 o'clock in the morning.
I'd get out of the bed and I just reach over and turn it off because I noticed when I couldn't sleep sometimes and I wake up in the middle of the night and go back to bed, that's when I would have the experience.
So I'd get out of the bed, stay up for about an hour, drink water, don't eat anything, just drink water, and then go back to bed and then lay it perfectly still.
And this is really important, lay perfectly still and relax every part or portion of your body from head to toe.
What's going to happen here is if have you ever been really, really tired and you were driving a car and for that brief second, you nodded out just a brief second and tidal.
So what you've done in this, I call this the interrupted sleep technique.
What you've done is recreated that situation, except now you're in a safe environment.
So no matter how hard you try to stay awake, if you're laying perfectly still, you're going to reach that point where the body is going to nod off.
Like it would in a car or something.
If you hold still, it's going to happen.
Even if you don't, you're going to fall asleep.
But the thing is, is because you've interrupted the sleep pattern and given your body, your consciousness, about four hours to rest and sleep, when your body drops off, you're going to be at that heightened awareness state.
And you may even, when it happens, and this really shocked me because when it happened, that was the first time I'd ever gone from consciously laying there to into a paralysis state where I couldn't move my physical body.
I actually heard myself snoring, and I thought it was someone else snoring that was very close behind me, which almost scared me.
Well, you've come to a spork in the road right there.
Really?
And because you've altered it with interrupting your sleep pattern, it increases your chances of going into a lucid state rather than you're going into a deep sleep state.
We are discussing OBEs, and I hope some of you have dragged out a piece of paper and are paying attention because he's telling us how to do it.
First of all, most importantly, remember.
Secondly, you might set the alarm.
I know that this just doesn't sound intuitive, but for 2 in the morning or 3 in the morning or something, when you wake up, drink something, perhaps, but don't eat, and then get into this relaxed state.
And no matter if you try to stay awake, you will, something's going to happen.
You're either going to drift back off into a deep state, which I doubt because of the interrupted time period, or you're going to hear yourself snoring or find yourself paralyzed, or you're going to hear this loud rushing wind.
The slower you go through the separation process, the more you hear.
So the slower you go.
If you go through fast, some of those things you may not experience at all.
But that slow process, those are things that you're going to hear as your consciousness transitions from a physical state, which is your body, to a higher vibrational state, which is your astral form.
Well, there's two things you need to do first is that you need to calm down because it's exciting and the excitement can bring you back.
You need to suspend any kind of ideas you have on what's going to happen.
Just be an observer because if you think about something, you could scare yourself during that process.
Yeah, it could happen very easily.
And then once that happens, if you can't see already, because sometimes the vision, your vision just comes on, if you can't see, say to yourself, I want to see.
And it's really, I know it sounds simple, but ask and you shall receive.
If you haven't moved anywhere, say, I want to float upward.
And that's what usually gets things moving.
The difference is, and I've talked to people who've awakened in this state and knew nothing about audio by experiences, and one of the things that happens is they find themselves bouncing around the room, experiencing being totally out of control.
Well, what's happening there is that you don't know you can control it.
It's like jumping in a car and going down a hill and not grabbing the steering wheel.
Every bump it hits, it's going to veer off and go in the direction.
But know that you can control this by your desire and being able to focus on what you want to happen.
Well, if it's a person, which is easier than a location, a physical location, if they have an emotional impact on you while you're in the waking state, you should be able to think of them very easily.
A loved one, your mother, a dear friend, something like that.
If you can think of them, all you have to say is, I want to visit or I want to be with, and something strange might happen.
Like I touched on earlier, you're not alone, so you may not be able to see them, perceive them, because we're not talking about light coming through the optic nerve and bouncing off the retina or anything.
We're talking about a sensation.
You may feel someone touch you or grab you and push and assist you in the direction that you want to go in.
I mean, everybody accepts the fact that it's not going to harm you in any way, and that's basically what I'm talking about.
You can call it anything you want, but it's the same thing.
But I recommend for beginners, stay local.
Get better at it.
Stay in the room.
Move around the room.
Touch things.
Touch things.
Put your hands through things.
Move into a different part of the house.
Look for, if you have children, go visit and look for the children.
What you will find is something really interesting, like I mentioned with the doctor who had the heat pad around her leg, is that you can interact with them in a way depending on how consciously they are aware.
They may not be that aware or they may be, but you can.
The more aware they are, the more you can interact with them.
And it's really, really interesting.
And like I said, that's why it's so hard to go beyond that because you have to focus, is because there's so many incredible things you can do just in the near vicinity of your body, your physical body.
The worst thing that can happen is you scare yourself because you encounter something that's unknown.
You know, this is the thing that I discovered, and I've been afraid of things like this since I was a little tiny kid, since I was five years old.
And I said this, remember I shared this with you before.
Going into the astral plane and not wanting to see ghosts is like going into the ocean and not wanting to see fish.
That's where they are.
So you projecting or if you're scared of that or you have a fear about that, the worst thing that could possibly happen is that you will scare yourself.
But not everybody who is on the other side is angelic.
That doesn't mean you're going to meet, you know, these wonderful souls over there.
People carry a lot of their traits and who they are when they're over there at the lower state of the astrals.
I don't think you have that much power because there's a bigger story going on.
There's a lot more that you are a part of and that you are important to, and part of that importance is your interaction and day-to-day life and how you affect people.
So you can't interrupt that process just by doing something and remembering something that you normally do subconsciously anyway.
So you don't have to worry about that.
But the experience is the same.
If a person is passing, the probability of them having similar disconnection experiences is going to be high like yours.
Let me give you an example.
My cousin, Robert, passed away years and years ago.
And one of the things that happens in our family is we all have night paralysis issues.
A lot of my family are very, they're very superstitious.
So they refer to it as witch rides, or the witches are coming to ride you at night because you did something bad or they're trying to steal your soul.
So that's kind of a southern kind of superstition that my family has lived with for a long time.
Robert, he also had Hadabai experiences, but didn't know that's what they were.
Great-great-grandmother, it's been told we've, since I was a little kid, but I've always thought that's what it was, and it's always been something terrible and horrifying, and none of us liked it.
And I was the first one to change and just try to be an observer and discover a whole new aspect to it.
You know, I've been all over the place, and I wondered that, too, that's because I'm a researcher, I was wondering, okay, is it in my family?
Like I said in the beginning, I thought it was a psychosis or a neurological problem.
But what I've found, having been lucky enough to go all over the world talking to people about this, is it doesn't matter what you are, it doesn't matter what you believe.
People of all walks of life have these kind of experiences.
And what's really cool is I do this experiment when I talk to people.
Let's say I have 100 people in the room.
One of the things that I start doing is I start mentioning the different aspects of the separation process.
I say, if you've ever experienced this after going to bed at night, raise your hand and keep your hand up.
And by the time I touch on the paralysis, the vibration, hearing your name being called, because that's one of them, and flying dreams and all these other things, about 70% of the audience out of 100 still have their hands up.
So that's globally.
About 70% of people can remember having these experiences.
They just haven't pieced all the puzzles together to figure out, yes, this is something that has to do with having an out-of-body experience.
You know, yeah, you don't feel totally detached from your physical body.
And a lot of people say, well, how do I find my way back?
Can I get back in?
The silver cord kind of gives you that warm fuzzy or security knowing that if I follow this, no matter how far I go, I'm still connected.
Now, that's how I see it because I've never found it, and I've been out a long, lot of times, and I've tried to go as many places as I possibly could, flying even into space.
So I've never had that experience.
Of course, I'm not afraid, but I would imagine that if I were, it would be a really welcome security blanket for me.
Like the old days, we used to have the umbilical, like when Ed White was walking in Jim and I, he had the umbilical that he would use.
And then later on, when I was in the space program, we used the MMU, which is the manned maneuvering unit, which is totally like in Gravity, the movie Gravity, which was totally untethered.
But let me tell you, the technical problems I had is way before I worked on the space program, the astronauts have the capability of maneuvering, just in case they get detached from the space station or any vehicle.
That space suit that they have has these little firing jets.
Go on the internet and you can see these little jets, and they have the capability of coming back.
Another thing is that the physics was all wrong, because when George Clooney and Sandra Bullock were flying through space holding on to the line, and she grabbed onto one structure, and he was way out at the end of an umbilical, all she had to do was just jerk it one time, and that would have, momentum would have brought him right to her.
So I had a problem with the physics, but I tried to suspend that and just enjoy it for a theatrical presentation.
I was going to say, somebody who can disassociate themselves enough to actually travel out of their body ought to be able to suspend something or another to enjoy a movie.
One of the things I wanted, you know, I noticed that there's a lot of people out there, God bless them, collecting paranormal data.
Orbs, EVPs, electronic voice phenomena, different types of video, digital video imagery, things like that.
But one of the reasons I got into it is because I was really trying to draw a connection because I was having encounters with deceased relatives and I was Trying to see if there was something physically I could do to connect the two.
And that's why I looked into the technology that was available today and the activities that people were conducting around the world.
It's a new book with his Journey of the Cosmic Soul.
What happens is, though, Art, this is what fueled the fire, is that while we were having this exchange, I suddenly realized I'm no different than she is, except I have a physical body to go back to.
Someone wrote me and asked me, they said, I'm gay, and if I go on the other side, do they discriminate against gay?
There's no discrimination.
There's none of that.
None of the earthly things that we have here, that we experience here.
And that's the part that we do so often is we try to humanize and take our human experiences and apply it to something that is far from being human or even physical.
It's very, very different.
And it's incredibly intense and loving.
Like the people who had near-death experiences, they all describe when they come back from that experience, it was the most incredible love they'd ever experienced in their lives.
I'm trying to digest this, that you can actually meet with people who have passed.
That takes it to a whole nother level.
I have become so interested in NDEs, I've actually told a couple of researchers, and it's the truth.
You know, I'm 70 years old now, Albert.
If I had an opportunity to go with a medical team that had all the right stuff to bring me back, I would be tempted, I'd be tempted to try a flat line just to see what's on the other side.
But what you're saying is you don't need to, you can find out without flatline.
If it's meant to be, there's a lot going on, but if it's meant to be and you're capable, you can have an encounter with someone who's passed.
I don't hear a lot of people have because everybody differs on their ability.
But the ones that I have heard of, and especially I have to talk about Robert Monroe, he describes in his three books incredible experiences with formerly living human beings and non-human beings that have lived.
Because not every entity that you encounter will have had a human life.
Dr. Taylor, do you think that you have a genetic predisposition to this that gives you a really, really big advantage over other people trying to do OBEs?
It's not about me teaching anybody or preaching or any of those things.
It was happening to me, and I was either going crazy or I had to find some kind of rational answer to what was happening.
And I had no idea it was going to touch on something that had to do with the eternity, the existence of a soul, and an environment where souls live or go back to.
I had no idea that I was thinking, you know, I was taught about heaven and hell and purgatory and those type of things.
So you're honestly telling me that you would stand there with a camera taking video of Bigfoot as he charged you so that when the detectives came and said, oh, look at the arm over there and the leg over there, and we'll find the head.
You know, we'll get some people out here and find the head.
They'd be able to have the camera.
They'd get the camera and they'd realize you held it until Bigfoot got you.
And I was the one standing there with literally a couple members of my team ran out of the location that we were in fear, screaming, and I stayed there filming.
I'm just curious about these types of things, and I want to know.
So, you know, there's a lot of people who are curious.
People want to go to Mars, and they don't care if they come back, because they want to know what it feels like.
I've done it, but just instantaneously, and it scared the fire out of me, and I didn't have the guts to go forward.
We're now going to open phone lines.
So I'm going to give my phone lecture, sorry, 101.
And here it is.
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You know, I don't have to do that.
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That's the modern way to do it.
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Easy enough, right?
But you must be a first-time caller.
So you only actually get to do this one time.
Well, let's think back.
There have been many variations of this show that I've done.
I guess you could do it again in the sense that, well, you were there during Dark Matter.
You were there during the prior show.
So you could still be a first-time caller to this show, right?
Area code 775-285-5800.
Sorry, I was sort of debating with myself to some degree.
So we're opening all those lines right now for Dr. Taylor.
I don't think anybody's done anything intentional.
But I think that every and this is based on the different locations, geographical locations and countries I've been to, is we have become complacent.
And we have gotten to the point where we've settled for very literally tidbits of paranormal data.
We've settled for orbs.
We've settled for just collecting EVPs that some of them and very few are interactive, but most don't make any sense.
You'll hear somebody say something and they'll try to interpret what it is, but it doesn't make any sense.
And we've become satisfied with that.
But the thing is, through my experiences, when you leave your body, just the opposite happens.
You go into a super conscious level where you can think in many, many diverse terms, but the EVPs that I've seen from a lot of different people sounds like the person is developmentally disabled.
And that's just not the way it is.
So I think that, yeah, there are, and let me tell you this.
One of the things I was curious about was how do humans affect the collection of EVPs?
Because most of the EVPs I've ever heard, there was somebody collecting it or asking questions.
That's where my robots came in, is because they were capable of recording the same type of digital or audio tapes or information.
And I was able to collect EVPs with my robots, and they weren't asking any questions.
So that told me that this is going on all the time, not necessarily because we have asked a question.
I have, excuse me, what I've done is I've categorized them into indiscernible, semi-discernible, discernible, and then interactive.
And I have some interactive EVPs.
And what an interactive EVP is where you ask a question and it actually responds and responds to your question.
I have some that are discernible where they're just saying things that may not necessarily apply to what you're asking or what you're doing, but you can understand it.
Then I have the semi, which says a few words here and there, but you have to guess at what they mean.
And then I have noises and various bizarre, indiscernible, voice-like things that I've recorded.
Well, one of my more popular ones that I really have used quite a bit is it has motion sensors.
It also has an internal EMF meter, electromagnetic field meter, and it has directional probe, which it can turn the probe toward the source of the EMF and move the whole entire, the whole robot will move and follow or chase the EMF reading and record while it's doing that.
And it will maneuver around furniture, walls, whatever.
So that's one of my favorite ones.
And through that one, and it will also send back the data to a base station so I can record it on a recording device.
So that's one of my favorite ones.
Another one is that I have, it's very small, and it's semi-autonomous, where I can control it via remote control.
And while it's in this particular location, I can send it a program where it will go into autonomous mode and start patrolling and recording data on its own.
So those are the kinds that I've been using over the years, and they have collected data.
You know, I remember when I was at Langley, and they have a really awesome museum there.
I think it was Voyager.
They have a model Voyager there.
And it made sense to me that we used, because I'd been in the space program for a long time, I was even on a design team of GPS when we just had it, when no one didn't have it in cell phones, just the military was using it.
So I've been in the space program for a very long time, and it didn't make sense to me that the paranormal was another unknown, and for the unknowns outside the Earth's atmosphere, we use probes.
So it made perfectly good sense to use a probe for the unknowns that are here in the paranormal community.
And they're not afraid.
They don't run off.
They don't guess at what it is.
They don't have desires on what they want it to be.
They just record data.
And that's the part that was really intriguing to me.
And I wanted it to be autonomous, so I programmed it to think for itself.
Okay, if you have a question, sir, please go ahead.
I wanted to tell you, as a cat lover, you like this.
I had a young cat that loved to, basically, I had an out-of-body where I interacted with my kitten.
It was very bizarre.
I was home, and the cat always wanted to be picked up and put up above closets in our bedroom.
Anytime I got up out of bed, he would beg or jump up and want to be picked up, and that was something we did.
So I was laying there, I went out of body, and I was trying to keep calm.
I had this presence of mind, like you said, I'm floating, floating, and we had a canopy bed, and I'm thinking, man, I'm going to go through this canopy.
Right at the moment, I look down, I see my cat asleep at my legs, and just like in an old ghost movie, I saw his spirit.
He looked up at me, and he kind of separated, and he reached up, stood up, and tried to put his claws on me.
And I'm freaking out because it was like those old hot air balloon movies where you don't want, you're trying to just, you know, I was trying to stay calm, and sure enough, we both popped back.
I woke up, I lifted my head, and he was asleep like nothing had happened.
And that's an awesome, you know, one of the things that used to happen to me when I would leave my body is I had a German shepherd, and he would be under my window, and the moment I detached and started floating upward, he would start barking like crazy.
Then when I would return to my physical body and reconnect, he'd stop.
And this went on almost all night.
So animals are, you know, it's probably very normal to them to sense these subtle energies, one of which is our astral form.
And it's probably no big deal to them because they're born into that ability and see it all the time.
I've had quite a few out-of-body phenomenon in the last couple of decades, or even longer than that.
But I had one that was particularly profound, and I thought I might share it with you.
We were actually talking about astroprojection, and my friend said, hey, he said, well, if you want to astroproject, first thing you do is connect your consciousness to something that you perceive to be outside of yourself.
So I was walking through the woods.
This is up in Bellingham, Washington years ago, and I thought, oh, I'm going to try this.
And it's a beautiful day, and I see a tree, and it's about, oh, 20 or 30 yards away from me.
And I thought, okay, I'm going to astroproject to that tree over there for starters.
So I stood still, and I thought, I am the tree.
The tree and I are one.
I thought, hello, tree.
And right when I thought that, this bird flew up and landed right by my feet.
And it just sat there.
And it must have been there for half a minute or longer.
It didn't identify me as being anything other than a tree.
And it was such a profound experience right then because I realized that was what the power of it was.
His consciousness could project and identify with the tree, which is a living thing, that the bird, which has senses that I don't understand fully, was able to did not perceive him as a normal threat as they do in humanoids generally.
Well, that sounds wonderful to me, but Doctor, I can imagine the human brain, as complex as it is, being able to project itself with what we are talking about as an OBE without it necessarily having to be what we traditionally call the soul.
And we don't understand certainly everything about our brains.
They're incredibly complex.
And frankly, we just don't know.
Doctor, hold on.
Sorry, I don't mean to be drifting away from this, but why couldn't the human brain do this without it being what we classically call the soul, which is a religious thing, kind of, sort of, right?
Don't pay any attention to me.
I have no idea what I'm talking about.
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You'd think that people were having a possibility of soul.
But I look around me and I see Midnight in the Desert is a wild trip across the day's divisor.
Dr. Albert Teller is my guest, and he's a very patient man.
And these are very, very difficult things to talk about.
They really are.
I can imagine, I guess this is what I was trying to say, I can imagine that our brains might have the capacity to project the self without necessarily projecting what we think of classically as the soul.
But you would argue with that, I'm sure, Doctor, right?
There's a couple things that I wanted to share with you.
The difference between spirituality and religion is the difference between being human and being an American.
You are a human no matter where you are.
You choose to be an American.
That's the difference.
You're a spirit, no matter what you choose.
You can choose any religion you want, but you're a spirit, basically.
This is the thing.
I started off with a bunch of questions.
I wanted to know why is this happening?
Why, if it's just an intellectual brain experience, then why, and I've been a member of the International Association of Near-Death Studies for quite a long, long, long, long time.
And I've taught 8 million people have had near-death experiences in the United States alone.
So why, when some of these people suffer a physical body that they're occupying suffers a physical death and everything goes to zero and then they come back, how come if it's just the brain, now they can't wear watches because watches stop?
How come light bulbs blow out, don't last as long as they should?
How come when they go to the grocery store, cash registers malfunction?
If it's just The death of a physical organism, none of those should be happening.
It doesn't make any sense.
And it doesn't happen every time with everybody, but if you look at 8 million people, you're going to have a higher number that has these difficulties.
How come a personal friend of mine who was diagnosed with cancer 15, almost 20 years ago, was given five years and had a near-death experience.
How come her cancer, she's in remission and she's still alive?
Because her awareness, according to her, has changed on who and what she is.
I can't answer those by just looking at the brain.
No, I haven't had a near-death experience, but I have talked to people who do affect electronic devices, who can't wear watches because the watches actually stop, whose bulbs do blow out.
It happens.
It happens quite a bit, and it's happened years and years ago, and it's happening now.
So if we're just machines, organic machines, that doesn't make any sense that we should be able to affect these items.
Well, I was going to say, if you are that kind of a person, they should keep you the heck away from the shuttle with the million moving parts.
All right, let's try the first time color line up in Victoria, B.C., I think.
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Hello?
Hello.
Hey, I love the show.
I'm really interested in the subject.
I'm just wondering, like, when you're in a very deep sleep, and do you think it's possible that you start seeing things that you can't remember, and that would cause you to react?
My wife says sometimes when I fall asleep and I'm in a very deep sleep, I start to scream.
You know, I've heard children talk about their near-death experience, and they talk about a meeting on the other side relatives, a grandfather who had passed away before they were even born.
So him encountering someone he knew, but he had no conscious physical memory of them is quite common.
I have had a friend who suffered a horrible asthma attack and was rushed to the hospital.
And during the process, when he was being placed on the gurney, all of a sudden he realized he had taken his last breath and the pain in his chest was so intense and all of a sudden there was a pop and the pain was gone.
And then the next thing he knew, he was standing outside of this, with this crowd of people who were looking at this guy on a gurney.
And he thought to himself, what are you doing taking care of him?
He should be taking care of me.
But then he said, beings came up behind him.
And this guy is not a spiritual person, a religious by no means.
And he said, these beings came up behind him, and he said he knew them, but he couldn't think of who they were.
And there was one particular one that was brilliant and wise and seemed like a parent type of figure.
And that person said, you can go back if you want to, but you can't stay.
And he thought about it for a minute, and then he realized because of his child, his son, he wanted to return.
And with that thought, all of a sudden he was back in his physical body, and the pain had returned, and they rushed him in to stabilize him.
He called me the next day and told me this.
And when I was shocked to hear this, because I know this guy, I've known him since I was a kid.
And he said to me, he kept saying, but I didn't know.
And I said, well, what didn't you know?
And he said, I didn't know that somebody cared and they were there for me.
I love your charisma, and I'm glad that you can still have a little giggle in between here and there talking about this type of stuff.
What I wanted to share with you guys tonight is that a couple nights ago, I had a very, very vivid dream.
So vivid that I woke up and I fell right back asleep and picked up pretty much right where it left off.
And the thing that really boggled my mind the most was the fact that, you know, a lot of guys get these dreams where we're about to have sex with a beautiful woman or a girl we're hot for and we can never get back to that or we get woken up.
This is something that messed to see, that's what I think.
Actually, my experience has been that it never comes to a logical or what should be a logical conclusion.
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It never makes any sense, right?
Exactly, exactly.
Back to my story here.
This dream was just so vivid that it messed with me.
It woke me up with literally with a feeling of like I had a cold.
I was almost running a fever.
And I went up, got some water, and took about a five, ten minute break and fell right back asleep.
And pretty much I entered the same door again.
And I don't really want to discuss the details of the dreams or involvements or what I do or anything like that.
I am an Army veteran and all that.
There wasn't anything graphic of those lines, but it was a lot of messages and it was stuff so weird.
Like I was stuck in the same city here in the loop, in the Chicagoland area, and I was just going through doors and I was having people giving me offers about, hey, you can live like this if you just this and we're not doing anything wrong if you do this.
And, you know, I thought I left one guy that was looking at me all weird.
And next thing you know, I just drive a block down and he's standing at the bus stop again.
And it just messed with me so bad.
I have never had any type of dream like this ever in my life.
Okay, but why did you mention you were in the military?
Must have been a reason for that.
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Because there's a lot of, we have a lot of, you know, dreams related to PTSD.
And I immediately, you know, I threw that out because it was nothing completely at all.
Anything related to military.
Right, gotcha.
Yeah, so I just thought I'd, you know, get that out there.
And what really got me was that it's just like it stayed with me till pretty much maybe till about three, four, five o'clock the next day where I finally, you know, I got over it.
I said, okay, okay, I had this dream, but here we got Dr. Taylor talking about this type of stuff tonight.
Well, you can't really use a light switch and say OBE dreams and click it on and off to either one because it's more of a rheostat.
You turn it up to OBEs, you turn it down to lucid dreams, and you turn it down to just dreams.
Well, because this seemed to be reoccurring, and a lot of dreams maybe they won't matter, but there are some that affect you and get your attention, and those are the important ones.
And what a dream can be is a form of communication, either from a higher aspect of yourself or from a consciousness that is external.
And what's really important when these dreams affect you on that level, they aren't fleeting, is to document the dream.
Because what I found is dreams are designed to give you a change in perspective on something that's going on in your life or the path you're following in your life.
And when you have a change of perspective because of that, then you do different things.
You're a little bit wiser maybe, or you make rational decisions.
So it's really important to document the dream.
You may not quite understand it, but it's like a piece of the puzzle.
If you don't keep all the pieces, you never get to see the entire picture.
Going back to something Carla said, it seems to me that if you have a really sexy dream, we've already covered the fact they don't ever seem to culminate all the way.
But if you have that, that's your body telling you that, yo, buddy, you haven't had sex in a while and time to be thinking about that?
But let me share this with you because it's something greater than what you think it is.
A friend of mine had a near-death experience.
She drowned on a scuba accident off the coast of Catalina.
Her respirator, her regulator failed while she was deep down.
And so she tried to make it to the surface, couldn't, ran out of air, and the next thing she knew, she was floating above her body.
She watched them recover her body, but during that process, she ended up entering into the tunnel that we hear so much about.
And eventually, at the end of the tunnel, there was a light that she merged with and had a panoramic past-life review, like Daniel Brinkley has talked about.
During that merging process, the way she describes it, and she still describes it all these years later, as being orgasmic.
So for her to have that sensation during that non-sexual situation and describe it the same way, I think, is a hint to what that really is about.
And it may not necessarily be all about what we think it is in the physical world.
I haven't had a near-death experience, but it is really, really common.
And especially when you first come out of your body on the astral plane, depending on what your focus is, that encounter, it is like an exchange of energy, but it is sexual.
It's a consciousness thing, too, because I was doing a little bit of research into this, is no one that I've talked to could describe to me an orgasmic experience.
You know what it feels like, but very few people can actually put it into words.
So if you look at that, and then what she talked about merging with a higher aspect of something, be it God, Jesus, or her higher self, that it was very similar.
So that leads me to believe that there is a lot more than just on the physical level because it exists in multiple areas on the non-physical level.
A couple things that I wanted you to touch on is what is your thought about getting into the out-of-body experience after a few drinks or what have you?
I've had an experience where I had a couple drinks and I'd practiced when I was young.
I'd seen this Shirley Taylor or Shirley McLean movie in the late found basically a handbook on it, an early handbook.
I'm not sure who it was by, this little tiny handbook.
And I got into it.
And basically one night when I wasn't wanting to do it, it happened to me.
And I lost all control of my physical or of my astral body.
I couldn't move my hands, couldn't move my arms.
All of a sudden, I shot out a window and I landed, you know, shot out of, it was about three stories.
I hit the ground.
I didn't hit the ground.
I almost hit the ground.
I landed about an inch away.
And then I just started shooting across this field.
And I had no control.
And as I was about to hit a building, I just woke up.
No, you know, the thing with any drug that's able to sedate you, alcohol or anything, there are some in its initial stages that if it relaxes you, that's one of the keys to having an experience.
But if you add more to it, it can go lead to the point where it becomes an inhibitor and actually keep you from achieving a conscious level.
Yeah, well, many indigenous people and now a lot of modern people are having spiritual experiences with drugs.
I think it was Timothy Leary experimented with LSD in the past and had spiritual experiences.
Yes, it is possible.
Is it preferable?
No.
Wouldn't you like to just be able to do it by practicing a few things that you don't have to worry about the law or damaging your physical body or something like that?
You want to do it, since it's a very natural part of our existence, you want to do it naturally because that way you can do it as many times as you want.
But yes, people have reported having spiritual high consciousness experiences by using various types of drugs.
I think I had an out-of-body, by the way you're describing it, but I'm not seeing light and I'm not floating over my body.
I can Reach the point where I go to sleep and I relax to the point where I feel, well, it only happened once because I've stopped a few, where I feel like I'm actually separating and then my body is gone and I'm all consciousness.
But I'm never in the light, it's always dark.
So this one time that I left my body, I asked for familiarity, so I asked that my grandmother come to me, and it took some doing.
She, with no body, I felt like we were holding hands and we were floating, but yet I'm all in my head consciousness, but no body.
And I said, I'd like to see daddy.
And she says, I don't know if you can go there.
And I said, well, let's try.
And she says, all right.
So she dropped me off at some place, and that's where I started seeing things.
And I was in a holding center, like a room.
And I had to ask for my father to come out from wherever he was.
And he was escorted so that I could talk to him.
And in this room, there were open, like wooden windows, but it was like a six or eight-sided room I was in.
And they were persecuted souls.
They were not in a good place.
I could tell that.
So when my father came forward, my father says, how did you find me?
And I said, are you kidding?
And, you know, I says, I've been trying to, you know, I've been meditating and I've been trying, you know, to get in touch with you for a long time.
And the thing is, is that there's buildings and places or locations that I think are constructed to make us feel comfortable.
I don't think they're necessarily real or anything like it, but it makes us, because we would be very disoriented if all of a sudden we were snatched out of this situation and placed in a situation that had no up or down or no walls or all that.
So I think those are designed to give us some type of reference.
I visited this place where it seemed like a halfway station to me.
I remember thinking it was like a bus station.
Like outside one door, there was the no coming back portion where whatever was out there, once you left out that, you would not be coming back.
And then there was another portion where there were people who she mentioned persecuted, but in my experience, they were traumatized by their life experience.
And this was a place where they could recover before moving on.
So I had a similar experience and that I never told anybody about.
So I think it's really interesting that she described something that was very similar to something that happened to me.
Okay, well, I have to say, negative experiences, because violence is just maybe one part of it.
There are negative experiences, even painful experiences, meaning that you feel pain in the experience, but when you come back, you're okay.
It happens.
It used to happen in the beginning with me on the lower levels of the astral pain.
I mean, I felt pain when I came back.
I was surprised there was no physical damage.
But it's intense.
So there are some negative encounters to be had initially, but as you get better at it, there are places far beyond where those negative encounters would have happened.
Dr. Taylor designed things for the International Space Station, did that kind of work, worked on the F-117A, even the Star Wars program, and then turned his attention toward what we're talking about tonight and more.
OBEs.
Now, I said I was calling the doctor a little bit, and I am.
When we first interviewed back in the 90s, oh, I remember it so well, Doctor.
I was so fascinated with it.
And I asked you again and again and again, it's safe, right?
Oh, yes, always safe.
Never negative self.
Never, never, never, never.
And when I interviewed the second person, President Bennett, on this subject, I hit him with the same stuff.
And you know what?
His initial reaction was exactly the same as yours was.
Oh, no danger.
When I pressed him really hard, well, yeah, you could run into some negative entities over there.
Yeah, that, remember I told you, though, I said, there's a few things that could happen.
That if you imagine a devil or a demon or something, it's going to manifest because thoughts are things and your thoughts create things, and it's going to be the biggest, reddest demon that you've ever encountered.
If you imagine that it's attacking you and you believe that it's inflicting some kind of injury or pain on you, you're going to experience that pain.
Oh, great.
But it doesn't mean that something is attacking you necessarily.
I actually spoke to you a few weeks back about, I think we were talking about shadow people.
Yes.
And so, yeah, I felt like at the same time that that was along these same roads, whereas although you can see shadow people when you're awake, I often saw mine when I was sleeping.
I would wake up and I would see them.
So I'm thinking that maybe they were part of that, I guess, lower astral plane that Dr. Taylor was referring to.
Yeah, I have never seen a shadow person, but I've seen spirits.
But I would imagine, because my five senses aren't capable of detecting the non-physical beings that are around in that area.
But I would imagine, and we're not all the same, someone who may be turned up a little bit on the dial can sense this kind of thing.
So if you turn up your dial to your sensitivity, I'm sure you're going to see images.
They may not be clear, and they may seem to be darkened or whatever, or silhouettes, but I'm sure that that is definitely possible.
When you have an out-of-body experience, your senses are turned up to maximum, so you literally dial in on the frequency that can perceive whatever is around you.
And I think that's probably one of the more scarier positions is when it's just on and you don't know what's going on and you see these non-physical beings around you.
You are not your body, and you are not your astral body either.
That's just something you wear when you're in the astral plane.
You are something else that I had in the beginning a lot of times where I would leave the astral body and find myself in just like a spherical existence, and my vision was 360 degrees also.
So that's your natural state.
Even I used to drag around.
I remember describing in my book, when I left my body, I moved around the bed, and I was dragging something deflated behind me.
And when I looked, it was, yeah, so I was kind of gross.
When I looked, it was my astral form.
So I was in three parts of me were in three different locations at the same time.
My physical body was flat on its back, sleeping.
My astral body was kind of still clinging on to me.
And I was existing as a spherical consciousness with 360 degrees of vision.
So, yeah, that's your natural state beyond the astral form.
Yeah, there's a range of consciousness, meaning that you can be at a very low level and not perceive very much, not even be aware of very much, and then that can be turned up.
And there's a range in your environment.
Because the astroplane, let me describe this.
Imagine you had a beaker, a cylindrical beaker, and you filled that beaker halfway up with dirt, dry dirt.
Well, that dirt represents the physical plane.
Now you take some water, which the water represents the astroplane, and you pour it into the beaker.
Well, as you go, after you fill it up, as you go from the top to the bottom, it's very, very clear where the water hasn't come in contact with the dirt.
And as you descend into the beaker, it becomes murkier and murkier and becomes thicker and thicker and eventually becomes muddy.
And then even though it's muddy, as you continue down through the beaker, there's some places where the water hasn't gotten to yet and it's still dry.
That very low dry level is where we are now on the physical plane.
That's where we exist.
But as you move up, the astral plane is partly here and it's partly beyond here.
So as you move up in vibrational awareness, you move through those murkier areas of the astral plane to an area where it's very clear and you no longer can perceive the physical plane.
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So you could kind of, in a way, have multiple occasions where you wake up multiple times, which is something I've experienced, where you wake up like four or five times in the same place and you just don't know what reality is.
And it's actually really interesting when you get to that stage.
Well, a long time ago, one more thing to address that.
A long time ago, one of the clues to having an out-of-the-out experience is that you may wake up more than once.
You wake up into the dream that you thought you're already awake in.
So remember, there's a duality of consciousness.
There's the physical consciousness and then there's the super consciousness.
So those two things can interact and can feel like you wake up twice, you wake up into this super consciousness, and then as you come out of that, you return and wake up into the physical consciousness.
And the other thing, the higher self, when I've kind of requested to experience that, you have this like, at least I do, I get this like a swirling, I have a cold, excuse me.
Sorry.
I get like a swirling euphoric, intense tornado thing going on.
And I don't know.
It just gets so intense that I end up slammed right back in my body.
And I never get beyond that, whatever it is.
I don't know what to expect beyond when you hit that swirling euphoria thing, you know.
Remember, it's kind of like you're all of a sudden you find yourself in the front seat of a car that's rolling down a hill, and if you don't take control, it's going to do whatever.
It's going to bounce off the cars, park cars, and end up wherever the car ends up.
So I'm not sure if while you were having this experience, you actually decided you wanted to do something.
Generally, if you don't decide and you just kind of observe, anything could happen.
That means you could see anything or you could experience anything.
I've had a woman who'd never had a near-death out-of-body experience, and at 40 years old, she had her first, and it terrified her only because she found herself bouncing off the walls and everywhere.
So, yeah, that happens.
If you don't take control, but know this, you can take control and direct your, if you can focus your thoughts, you can direct your experience in any direction you want to.
Okay, Thomas Short, Yorkton, Saskatchewan, I think.
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Hey, York.
I just wanted to have a quick share something with you guys.
I had my first out-of-body experience when I was 12 years old.
I was sleeping down in the basement, and my grandma, who was in a nursing home about 30 miles away, and I seen her come to me in spirit form, and I went and left my body spirit form, and she took me with her for a walk, and then I got introduced to some family members, which I never knew at the time, including my deceased aunt that was stillborn many years ago.
Yeah, that's on what I described earlier, where people have, and children have met grandparents or great-grandparents that died long before they were born.
Yeah, that sounds quite common, and I've heard that people having that experience before.
And your higher self is definitely with you all the time and will be with you to protect you in the encounters and guide you through the experiences that you have.