Dr. David M. Jacobs, a Temple University professor and UFO researcher since 1966, reveals his analysis of 1,150 abduction cases, including sperm/egg extraction and hybrid breeding—"hubrids"—with advanced mind-control abilities. Hypnosis uncovers fragmented but consistent accounts, like Bernard’s childhood friend Eric, a hubrid manipulating perceptions globally. Jacobs dismisses psychological explanations, noting aliens’ indifference to human health (e.g., untreated diabetes, cancer) and strategic secrecy, tracing the phenomenon back to the late 19th century with a post-WWII resurgence. The invasion, he warns, may already have reached critical mass, leaving humanity powerless against unnatural, telepathic evolution. [Automatically generated summary]
And boy, that is a melting pot in New York, isn't it?
And I worried every second.
I don't know about you, but the Pope in New York, the Pope even in Washington is bad enough, but in New York, among those crowds, it's just scary.
And I worried for him every moment.
A duckboat tour vehicle and a charter bus carrying foreign students to a college orientation event collided on a busy Seattle bridge on Thursday.
Four people dead.
Dozens went to the hospital.
Bad.
Bad.
Just awful.
President of Mexico told families of 43 students who disappeared a year ago, you know about this, right, in southern Mexico during a meeting on Thursday that he would create a special new prosecutor and try to find out what has happened to all of These children.
And now, this.
I think I have found something on Mars before Richard.
Could that possibly be true?
Well, all right.
Probably not.
Probably he knows.
And I'm just on the airport.
If not, then I want you to know.
I want you to go to artbill.com because on Mars right now, somebody actually has found what looks like Stonehenge, Stonehenge on Mars.
I wouldn't kid you, and I wouldn't put it up if it didn't look spectacular.
And I should use words like torsion field and physics.
And there is a ton of physics, too.
Concentric circles.
Look at these rocks.
This is virtually Stone Age on Mars.
So if you want to see it for yourself, it's at artbell.com.
I'm sure Richard will be all over this when he gets to air tonight.
You take a look at the photograph, and you let me know what you think.
All right, so coming up next is one of my favorite people in all the world.
He is Dr. Jacobs, Dr. David Jacobs, professor, actually.
And the reason that I find him so fascinating is that unlike everybody else nearly in the world that I would interview, the professor does not necessarily feel that the aliens that most of us think are visiting us are good guys.
You may remember this from years past.
Dr. Michael Jacobs is a retired professor of history at Temple University in Philadelphia.
He also has been a UFO researcher since 1966.
Long time, right?
In 1973, he completed his doctoral dissertation in the field of intellectual history at the University of Wisconsin-Madison on the controversy over unidentified flying objects in America.
This was only the second Ph.D. degree granted with a dissertation involving a UFO-related theme.
So it's very rare.
He has written and delivered many articles, papers, and addresses on the subject of UFOs and abductions.
He's been a consultant to the major UFO organizations.
From 1977 to 2011, he taught the country's only regular curriculum university course on UFOs and abductions, UFOs and American Society.
Pretty cool title, huh?
UFOs and American Society.
Since the early 1980s, he has specialized in the UFO abduction phenomenon.
He has investigated, in fact, over 1,150 abductions with 150 different individuals.
So coming up in a moment, Dr. David Jacobs.
And we're going to hope the ones and zeros stay in place tonight.
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And the reason that I have always enjoyed you so much is because I have always said that these things, these creatures, these entities, whatever they are coming to Earth, are, in my opinion, not at all necessarily our friends.
And I know that you have, in fact, written a book on that subject and that you probably agree with that.
And you're about the only one, frankly.
Everybody else thinks it's kumbaya time and they come down to advise us every now and then on our poor ecological maintenance of the planet.
He might have gotten it a couple of times, but the majority of the times he never got that.
And it's all a matter of the agenda that one has going into the session.
It's all a matter of the questions that are asked and the ability for the person who's doing the questioning to analyze what those questions mean as opposed to just accepting them at face value.
And it's really a struggle for me because I come across this all the time, and I just know it doesn't make any logical sense whatsoever.
It makes no sense in terms of what people tell me.
There's no such thing as a message, in my opinion.
People don't come from a trillion zillion miles away to give somebody a message that they will immediately forget because that's what the abduction phenomenon is all about.
Logically, see, the message concept came from the contactees of the 1950s, who basically were charlatans.
The major ones, Georgia Damsky and Truman Betharoum and people who the audience probably never heard of.
But they were all the rage in the 1950s, and they got on flying saucers and they took trips to the various planets.
One guy, Howard Menger, took a trip to the moon.
He got out on the moon's surface.
The air there was just like the air you and I breathed.
He had dinner with the king of the moon, you know.
And other ones go to Venus, and it's wonderful, it's great.
It's a paradise on Venus, sort of forgetting to talk about the fact that it's 800 degrees on Venus.
And there's, you know, and they were always left with a message.
And the message was, you know, we come in peace, it's great, and we all have to get together and stop atomic bombs and kill communists.
It could be that their very presence in some way screwed up the electronics, like car stoppages, which for UFO sighters is just, you know, there's thousands of those.
People say that their car will slow down and stop, and after when they see when a UFO is in its proximity.
But still, we can extrapolate that as a message because there's still so many other things that could be that the message just fits into one of many.
For the messages of today, generally speaking, the messages that people I've read about, you know, that they're personal messages to the person that deals with the problems of the earth, ecology and climate and things like that, all sort of current stuff.
And it's not a concept in the UFO abduction phenomenon.
It's just, it's nonsensical.
You have to understand that the abduction phenomenon begins in infancy and goes with great frequency all the way into old age.
It stops somewhere in old age.
We're not sure when.
So people have hundreds and hundreds, and I know that sounds crazy, hundreds of abduction events.
Almost all abductees have that number of abduction events.
And the concept of the message just is not there.
The setup is not for a message.
People are not special to be able to carry forth a message.
Now, you do get people who say they have messages.
A lot of these people, I'm not going to name any names, but let's just say I'm extremely dubious of their account.
Okay, I'm going to back up a little bit and actually ask you, I think, if you believe that these people who claim they were abducted, in at least some cases, actually were abducted.
You have to remember that the people I see fill out a questionnaire for me, talk to me for a couple of hours, and have all sorts of other contacting and messaging, so to speak, with me before I let them into my office.
So I know by the time they walk into my office, I know for the most part, there's a couple of exceptions in my life, but for the most part, I know that these people are serious people who might be psychiatrists, psychologists, university professors, PhDs, MDs, LLDs, or people who jumped out of school in the 12th grade.
And everybody in between.
But it doesn't matter because they all say the same thing.
They all have the same experiences.
It's all been going on all their lives.
And generally speaking, their mother or their father was an abductee beforehand.
And their grandmother or grandfather on one side or the other was an abductee.
And so this is a phenomenon that goes back probably to the latter part of the 19th century.
You can date it back with a certain amount, a degree of certainty to 1917 and with a lot of certainty to the 1920s.
But when you have a person who's abducted 400 times, which sounds insane, but is actually not unusual at all, they're not going to give this person a message.
They've got other things that this person has been doing for them all their lives.
If it's 10 times a year, which is ridiculously small number of abductions from what people tell me, it goes on over and over and over again.
That's 400.
Having 400 abductions a year means nothing to me.
It's standard stuff.
Same thing with abductees who are real abductees.
They know they've been abducted throughout the course of their lives.
They only may remember maybe 20 events or maybe 30.
And I have one woman who I worked with, but I worked with on a daily basis almost, who we had about 100 different events that had happened to her, but she was being abducted a couple of times a week.
And the ones that I see or other serious researchers see are the people who have bleed-through memories and remember some events happening to them and don't know what those events were.
And they want to find out.
They've been thinking about it for years, and they just need to find out what happened that time when they were driving along the highway and they were in one spot, and then it was two hours later, and they were in the same spot.
And they think about that, and they think about that, and they want to clear it up.
They want to find out.
Generally speaking, with the questionnaire I have on my website, they've undergone a whole lot of other things that they don't attach to abductions.
But abductees answer these kinds of questions in huge percentages and non-abductees usually just say no.
And so it's a clandestine phenomenon.
And when you're secretive, the first thing that you have to do to maintain secrecy is prevent the person who's being abducted from remembering it.
That's why it's so difficult to do and why you have to have hypnosis and why more people aren't coming forward, although there's thousands and thousands and thousands who've already come forward.
And so getting a message and remembering the message, like I said, it makes no sense.
Sometimes people remember what happens in a single event.
They don't remember other events, but they remember one thing, and they consciously remember what happened to them.
Now, here's another problem.
My next book is going to be How to Do Hypnosis with Abductees, because it's a tangled mystery.
When they consciously remember the events that took place during their abduction, which might have been five years ago, it might have been last night, whatever it is, they're notoriously inaccurate.
Most people think, well, if a person remembers it just straight out, it's got to be real, it's got to be accurate, they've got to know it and all that.
And the answer is, no, that is not what experience tells us.
The first session, I'd say 60% accurate, 40% not so accurate.
Second session, 70-30%.
Third session, maybe 80-20.
By the time you get to the fourth session, you're in the 90th and above percentile as people get used to it, because the questioning that I use anyway is just straight chronological and logical.
We do a different session, a different event each session.
Unless we left off in the middle of one for some reason or other, we'll continue on with that one until the end.
But I try to do a different event each time.
And the one that they consciously remember, which might have happened 20 years ago, for example, That's an important one for their life because they've been thinking about that for 20 years.
So we don't like to do it until the fourth or fifth session when they get used to the remembering process.
Yeah, we've known this since the very, very beginning of our knowledge of abductions.
In the Antonio Villas Boas case in Brazil of 1957, the guy who was abducted said that he was forced to have sexual intercourse with a human-looking female, and he couldn't control himself.
He just had to do that.
And then she allegedly, and I'm not sure of this, but she allegedly pointed to her body and then pointed up.
And he said that he felt like he was being used as a stallion to improve their stock.
And the odd thing about that sentence in 1957 was that there's a certain prescience to it.
I mean, it does figure into the reproductive program that they have.
Then in the next one that we heard about, which was in 1961, the Barney and Betty Hill case, they took sperm from Barney, who found it to be such an embarrassing event that when John Fuller wrote the book Interrupted Journey about their experiences, he had Fuller take it out, take that part out of the book.
Well, but for Barney Hill, the Barney Hill story was betting Barney Hill made into a movie in 1975, a TV movie, and a best-selling, of course, Whitley's book, Convenio, is a best-selling book, too.
That's right.
But before Whitley, nobody could blame it on Barney in terms of their memories were confused because they saw the TV movie or whatever it was.
It just wasn't there.
And with Betty Hill, they stuck a needle in her navel, and she said that they told her that it was a pregnancy test.
Now, in my estimation, that was confabulation, and they probably did not say that because it still remains a unique sentence that they had that no other abductee has ever said.
However, the procedure of sticking a needle in a woman's navel is extremely common.
And my best guess is, and Bud Hopkins' best guess was also at the time, is that they're angling the needle towards the ovary and just pulling out follicles from the ovary that way.
So we knew that it had this reproductive aspect very, very early on.
And it still has it.
Even now, even as we speak, they're just not letting up on that.
I think it's potentially very important because, of course, we're looking toward motive on their part.
And one can imagine any number of things that they're trying to perhaps refresh their own genetic pool that might be getting somehow stale if genetics can get stale, or they might be trying to reproduce some sort of hybrid or something, or they might be checking on us because they originally designed us.
The thing is, is that baby fetuses are then, after a while, are inserted into women's uteruses and in other parts of their body there.
And then they're removed after about 9 or 11 weeks when the woman begins to sort of show, or even earlier if they're put in a slightly different position.
And then abductees see babies floating, or fetuses floating in nutrient tanks.
Then eventually they see them as babies, and they have to hold the babies, and they see them as toddlers.
They have to play with the toddlers and deal with the toddlers.
They see them as young children.
The same thing applies there, playing with them.
They see them as older children.
They see them as adolescents.
They see them as young adults.
They see them as adults.
And they don't see them as older adults.
Now, they have to be older adults by that time themselves, obviously, but they don't describe them as being a 70-year-old hybrid.
Then there's the hybrid, and all these babies look like crosses between humans and aliens, but there is a gradation.
However, in recent years, what we have seen is in my second book on this subject called The Threat, which came out in 1998, I talked about hybrids quite a bit.
And what the gray aliens would say from time to time is that soon there was going to be a change.
Soon everyone was going to be happy.
Soon everybody would know his place.
And it was going to be wonderful.
It was going to be great.
And the change was coming soon.
And I knew that soon in some way meant an introduction into the society by human-looking hybrids.
I tried to get the abductees to tell me what soon meant.
Well, it's not a message telling us to do anything or that there's something about the Earth.
That's the way most messages are these days, or giving them the chemical analysis, how to do a chemical analysis of some bizarre something or other or physical or astronomical.
This is just soon we're all going to be together.
And a lot of abductees have reported this.
But you can't really take it as a message.
It's just something that is said.
But we never knew what soon meant.
Well, in the book that I just published a couple of weeks ago, Walking Among Us, I think that we're in the change now, and it started when I first, I don't know when it started, but I first started hearing accounts starting in 2003 that I had never heard before.
Now, I have done, I've looked at 1,150 different incidents with people.
And most of them are pretty much the same.
In fact, I sit on a chair and there's a little day couch or day bed off my office here in my home office.
And I will ask these questions and what's happening next and what do they do next?
And they're talking to me and talking to me and talking to me.
And I'm listening and I'm listening really, really hard.
And I'm really hard.
I mean, I'm really listening hard.
And I realize I'm listening so hard, I'm dreaming.
Well, the point is that that saporific aspect of the accounts is extremely important because everybody, no matter who they are, oh, gosh, I'm going to have to.
Unknown name and an unknown number and then I'm going to pull this thing out.
One o'clock in the morning almost.
Somebody's calling.
Anyway, so you have to have that constant sense of people having the same experiences Over and over and over again, no matter who they are, that's very important because it validates everybody.
In 2003, I began to hear something I'd never heard before.
That's unusual.
And what it was was a guy who I had talked with.
I'd had four sessions with him, I think it was.
His name was Bernard.
And he told me that he had just remembered that he had a friend.
And this was a really good friend of his named Eric.
And Eric was a great friend of his.
It was his best friend.
And he just never remembered him before.
But yeah, Eric, yeah.
And he didn't know what Eric's last name was.
And he didn't know where Eric was from, or whether he was married, or whether he worked, or anything like that.
But he'd known Eric, and Eric was really a good friend of his.
And which, of course, makes no sense whatsoever.
It's senseless.
You can't have your best friend and not know his last name.
So we did a session on that, and we did various sessions.
He'd gone on fishing trips with this guy.
They've been to restaurants.
They'd been visiting here and there.
They've been in other countries together.
This is not evidence.
All these accounts from Bernard were not evidence unless somebody else begins to say the same thing without knowing about what Bernard was saying.
Well, then that would suggest a more subtle merging of the species, if you want to put it that way, because they certainly look more human than they do anything else, right?
They are bred to look human, and not just human, but average human that will not stand out, that blends in, period.
If they're too tall, not a chance of coming down here.
If they got too big a nose, not going to happen.
If their eyes are too big, nope.
They have to look absolutely average.
Now, here's the thing.
All gray aliens and all hybrids and all hubrids and all other beings on board the object have one interesting trait.
They can control people's minds neurologically and make them do or think or see anything that they want them to do or see or think or see.
And we can't do that to them.
That is an astoundingly huge difference.
It is.
It's a difference between species.
It makes us a second-class species and them a first-class species.
It's not like they're just kissing cousins who live off and somewhere else and they're coming to visit us and all the rest of that stuff.
That's not what this is about.
You've got to remember, this is a global phenomenon.
This goes around the world.
It does not matter where a person is born or what their life was like or what their educational level is or what their intelligence level is or their geographic area or anything.
They all say the same thing in terms of the phenomenon.
Because they rely on abductees to teach them how to live in society.
They rely on them on board the object when they're young, and when they get ready to move into apartments, they rely on them to teach them how to furnish the apartment, to teach them how to go shopping, to teach them how to drive, to teach them about relationships, to teach them everything, everything.
And abductees do that, and then they forget immediately, just like an abduction, what has happened, and they're completely controlled.
They can't say, I'll be back in a minute, just hang on there for a second, and then come out of a closet carrying a 9mm Glock.
Oh, I know, I know, and so am I. But the problem is that since they can control other humans, if you come towards them with your rope and, you know, all you're going to do is say, oh, this is a really good person.
I'll just put this rope around myself and put the military fluid out, and I'll just burn myself up.
It's a difficult situation all the way around.
And what this book is about is the processes and the procedures and the bureaucracy involved with settling people down on earth and letting them blend in.
Well, like I said, one woman who I've been working with since 1987, I've known her for decades, practically.
And she's a wonderful person.
She's just honest.
She's an honest person.
Everybody I've worked with who's in this book has been an absolutely rigorously honest person.
Here's something else that people have to understand.
People come to me who are high-functioning people, who I mentioned before, university professors and psychiatrists and psychologists and medical professionals and all that.
And they're coming to me to examine their abduction experiences, knowing full well that if anybody finds out about this, it would destroy their careers.
Absolutely, positively without question.
All a psychiatrist has to say is I've been abducted by little gray men from another planet.
That's all they've got to say if they don't ever want to work in the mental health field again.
That's right.
And so therefore, there's no reason whatsoever to come to me at all and take the chance that I myself am some sort of goofball who's going to use their real names and set it right to the New York Times or something like that.
But they're taking that chance because they desperately want to know what has been happening to them throughout the course of their entire lives, and they can't figure it out, and they need to have help by a person who can help them figure it out.
And there's no reason to do that if they're faking it.
They never tell anybody afterwards.
They never write an article saying, see, I faked it.
But let me be, again, I want to be straight on this.
So you're basing your claims on the fact that you have been told this by person after person after person under hypnosis that has been abducted or complains that they were abducted, right?
Am I to assume that, for example, there was a minor, I guess what we would consider a minor genetic modification made to what turned out to be these hubrids with this ability that we've been talking about, control thoughts?
It's probably a smooth curve, but what I've done is bifurcated it into different types just to sort of get a handle out of like, for example, hybrids who look half alien and half human and really look weird, they have specific tasks on board a UFO.
They usually take care of babies and very small children, for example.
And there's other ones that have tasks as well who would not be able to fit in here, and they're just part of the program.
What we're looking at is a massive global program of hybridization that's going on.
The ones who are moving in, though, are the culmination of the program, of the actual physiology of the program.
Now comes the social context, which is moving in.
The thing about the hubris is that they are 100% loyal to the ones above, as they call them, which means the ones who are calling the shots, who are in fact, and here comes controversy, the insect-looking ones.
I call them insectolins.
They are the ones who are in control and calling the shots.
They're the ones who tell other people what to do.
I might as well stick my neck out and ask, since you've determined all of this, have you determined what their motivation is, what they intend to do with these hubrits?
In other words, we don't know the ultimate why question.
Why are...
I'm calling this global acquisition.
I hate to say it, but this is, you have to remember, this is a global phenomenon.
It's not happening.
If I found it in my corner of southeastern Pennsylvania, it's not possible that this is where they were setting down the first hubrids to blend into the society.
It's just not possible.
If I found it here, it's happening everywhere.
And so, I mean, the chances are so much against it.
So it's happening everywhere.
And that includes Pakistan and Japan and Korea and all through Latin America and all through Europe, of course.
And that's what that means, I think, it seems to me.
I'm extrapolating here.
So the question is, well, why are they doing this?
What is this all about?
If I call it global acquisition, maybe I'm wrong.
Why are they doing this?
And we don't know the answer to that.
Now, the interesting thing about not knowing the answer is that this is a phenomenon.
The abduction phenomenon is either psychological or it's happening.
There's nothing in the middle.
With UFO sightings, there's plenty of middle.
You see something up there, everybody sees something up there, and it's not a UFO.
They think it's a UFO, they report it, they have an investigation, and it's not a UFO.
It's a plane, it's a blimp, it's a cloud, it's whatever.
And with this phenomenon, it's either psychological or it's happening.
There's no way you can explain it in another way.
It's not sexual abuse in childhood, which is nonsensical and has no science behind it whatsoever.
But the fact is, though, that if this were psychological, they would make up the why, just like they're making everything else up.
What to stop them from making up why?
Because they want to play bowling ball with the planets or something like that.
Or because they're protecting us from ourselves and they go around the world and they have to do it because they're going to wreck other planets or whatever.
But the insect-like ones simply do not tell their motivations.
And when sometimes people ask hubrids, why are you here?
They wouldn't be putting in almost a century's worth of time and energy into this if it was for nothing, right?
That brings me to another point.
Time.
How old are these insectolins?
How old are they?
How do they age?
Now, we have things, our ages are relatively short-lived.
I mean, they're not like some grasshoppers or whatever that live for one day.
They flap in the air and they have 12 hours of lifespan.
But we have trees that are 3,000 years old, 5,000 years old, and some people say that bacteria can last that long and even longer.
But for, let's just say, 100 years long for a human, I wish, I wish, I wish, that's not very long.
It's possible that they have very, very, very long lifespans, and therefore time is relatively meaningless for them.
So they can continue on, kind of like forever and ever, doing this until they have judged that that's enough, and then now they can control the planet or do whatever they want to do.
I don't think that that's the case, but I do think that time is on their side, and so we might still have a long wait before there's any kind of serious sense that something amiss in this society.
But once again, this is speculative.
It's guesswork, and the reason it's guesswork is because abductees don't know.
Now, this is a guy in his 50s who's a businessman.
We did a session on, he owned his own company.
We did a session on this, and he was driving down, and he went off 95, the major highway here in the East Coast, and stopped on a side street, and there was his friend, Eric, waiting for him.
He got in the car.
And they were going to the ball game.
And the first thing he noticed was that Eric was wearing a jacket, I guess it was, that said Toronto Blue Jays on it.
And so Brown said, well, you can't do that because we're going to an Orioles game.
And you've got to get with the spirit of the crowd and so forth.
And so they decided, when they got to Canvan Yard, they went into a store that sold Orioles paraphernalia.
And he went in, the Hubrid, the Eric, and he picked out a shirt that said Orioles on it.
And he held the shirt in his hand or whatever it was.
The thing is, we know that there's thousands and thousands and thousands and tens of thousands and maybe hundreds of thousands and almost certainly millions of people who are hybrids in the United States.
I'm sorry, who are abductees in the United States.
We know this roughly from our Roper poll and both Hopkins and I have gotten thousands and thousands of letters and emails from abductees.
I get them every day of my life from around the country and around the world.
And so there's a lot of them.
But when humans come down and are attached to an abductee to help them move in and say that you have to have towels and a shower and stuff like that, they're also seeing other abductees.
It's not like they're waiting a couple of days for things to settle down or whatever.
They're seeing other abductees as well.
So each hubrid has a group of abductees who help them.
And we know, therefore, that there's a lot of abductees, but there's also one hell of a lot of hubrids being put into place.
One of my people showed me, took a photograph of an apartment complex where they were moving in at Lake Nicholas Grant, Pennsylvania.
I drove up there and drove around, drove around, and all I got was very suspicious looks from the locals who lived there.
It was not exactly in a high crime area, but it was not a palatial mansion area either.
And so I couldn't tell.
I had it in my mind that one of these days I'd put in some, I'd get some political paraphernalia, and I'd knock on people's doors handing out pamphlets for local candidates somewhere, and I'd have a hidden camera on my body, and they'd open the door, and they'd say, no, I don't know what that is, go away.
But I'd have a picture of each person and maybe get the abductee to identify.
I mean, there's nothing that isn't scary about this.
I look at my, I have two young men who are my sons, and I look at the future for them, and I think, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God, what's going to happen to them?
You know, I wish I was on the other side where everything was loving and wonderful and benevolent and environmentally friendly.
Well, I remember, Professor, a lot of movies that have dealt with invasions have featured people like yourself who have realized what's going on and have tried to tell people what's going on and generally have been roundly ostracized by those that you've told.
For example, let me ask, have you run this by any of your colleagues?
When it comes to UFO abductions, well, let me start with scientists first.
You know, scientists have discovered something that goes faster than the speed of light.
And what that something is, is the speed at which they get stupid when they talk about abductions.
It happens faster than the speed of light.
It's a miracle.
And academics in general are pretty much like that.
I've only had two people in teaching at Temple from 1975 to 2011, I only had two people who ever engaged me in conversation about this subject.
Both of them were in the liberal arts.
Not a single scientist, not a physicist, an astronomer, a chemist, not a single scientist at Temple University in 37 years I was there, or whatever it was, asked me, Jacobs, what the hell is all this about?
You have to remember, I receive more publicity at Temple University to everybody's embarrassment than any other person outside of the sports program.
And yet it did not pry loose one scientist to walk over to my office and say, what kind of an idiot am I?
I would be glad to answer that question.
I'm an enormous idiot, of course.
But the fact is, though, that is, generally speaking, the entire scientific community in the United States, with the exception of those scientists who got interested in UFOs and stuck with them years and years and years ago, most of whom are now, like me, long in the tooth.
I do know that when hybrids have had intercourse with abductees, they then get pregnant and the fetus is removed about 10 or between 9 and 11 weeks, just as if they had an embryo inserted in them.
But it bypasses some of the procedures on tables.
However, this is different.
And so we don't know yet whether or not hubrids can, in fact, have children with abductees.
We don't know that.
We do know that they are not to have sexual relations with female hubrids.
Yes, and the question then is, will they have a watered down hubrid that is born, or would they just take out the hubrid infant, I'm sorry, a fetus on board a UFO eventually and put it in a tank and just go through the standard procedures?
We don't know that because as far as I know, with the women whom I've worked with, they have not reported feeling pregnant as a result of hubris.
Well, like I said, I started hearing about it in 2003.
It's almost impossible for me to have heard about it first as, you know, just after it happened.
It probably happened, it started happening some years beforehand, and I didn't realize it.
But the people who I had been working with weren't talking about it.
And then suddenly, you know, a bunch of them started talking about it, so I knew that it had reached here in the southeastern Pennsylvania or Pennsylvania area.
But it had to have been beforehand, and it had to have been at other places as well.
And so we don't really know that because, once again, I guess we get all our information from abductees, and they don't know that either.
They have to stare at you, and they can tell what you're thinking.
Now, having said that, it's not as clear-cut as you might think.
It is possible for abductees to hide things in their mind.
How they do this, I don't know, and have other thoughts come to the forefront, which they will be glad to have the person know.
But in general, yes, they can read, I'm going into the fine points here, but in general, they can read people's minds.
They talk telepathically, which automatically gives them entree.
And they can do other, I won't even go into it, but they can do other things.
They can stare at people from a distance of an inch or so right into their eyes, just like gray aliens do routinely for humans that we've known about since I wrote my book, Secret Life, back in 92.
And they can do that also, and they can dig deeper, and they can see what a person was doing, and they can do most of the things neurologically that gray aliens can do.
But the thing is that in my 1998 book, The Change, it sort of said that this was going to happen.
Not all the details, but there was going to be this change.
Soon they would all be together and everybody would know his place and all that sort of stuff.
And so there was a harbinger of it years and years and years ago.
And when I wrote Secret Life, my first book, in 1992, my whole mindset was different because I thought at that time that they were here to experiment on us, that they were interested in us, that they were learning about us and all that sort of stuff.
And I kind of kept that mental set in my mind all the way through the book.
But even then, they were staring into people's eyes and they were creating hybrids.
And when we go back to 1981 with Bud Hopkins' Missing Time, he coined the phrase, the word hybrid for them.
Well, I figured it was probably going to be something like that, but I didn't talk that much about it because I didn't know in the threat.
But when Bernard came in and then other people started to tell me the same story, then I began to think, this is not just coming in here and looking around and trying to figure out how things work.
I began to expand my vision a little bit to the global quality of this, and also to the workforce involved, and that's a whole nother story, and to everything else that's going on.
And everything, absolutely everything pointed to a takeover of some sort.
There has to be, if they're going to live here, as you said before, they will be the master race.
But it's not even a race.
It's a species.
It's like chimpanzees and humans.
It's two different species, even though chimps are real smart.
Okay, so one would wonder, for example, I'm wondering, would their motive be to slowly increase their numbers until they can essentially take over, or would their motive be to simply continue doing it until the job is complete and we're all changed?
I don't think you have to have everybody on Earth being part of the game, so to speak, part of the hybrid world.
I think that there has to be a, my guess is, once again, I'm just speculating, but my guess is that they'll reach a critical mass at one point when they can control just about everybody, and that's all they need.
A couple of people have said that there will be a group of humans who are left over as a breeding stock in case something goes wrong with parts of the program or whatever.
But it hasn't been said by enough people for me to think that this is what's going to happen.
And so I'm unsure of that.
But it could be.
There's nothing wrong with that.
I mean, I don't see any flaws in it.
You know, it's fine.
Except, of course, that the whole thing is criminal.
But the fact is, though, that once again, we just don't know the future.
War crime fits it just fine, actually, because this is, as you have described it, an invasion, which makes it a war, unless you just want to let it happen.
I'm not sure if we could actually reject it or put up a defense to it.
So I don't know if it's a war.
Now, there's a guy named Mike Mencken.
Mike Mencken is a really good man.
And what he does, he's figured out that if they're going to control us telepathically, on board a UFO or to abduct us or whatever, which they do, of course, why not put a person's head in a helmet or something or try to stop whatever energy is going into our brains and into their brains and vice versa and see if you can interrupt that.
And so he makes these what look like World War II aviation pilot hats, although he's got some sort of baseball type hats now and other hats, that have a certain kind of filling in them, a plastic type of thing or whatever it is, that abductees say actually does prevent abductions.
The problem is you can't wear them 24-7.
And so there's plenty of opportunities to be abducted anyway, but it gives people comfort and relief at least for a certain time.
Now, here's the situation.
Mike is a good guy, he's a great guy, and I like him a lot, but what we need is a group of heavy-duty scientists who put their heads together and try to figure this thing out and try to see what kind of countermeasures we can come up with.
But one of the first things I noticed very, very early on when I was doing research for Secret Life is that when these beings talk with abductees on board a UFO, they never ask them questions that have to do with American organizations or institutions or political structure or anything like that.
And I thought early on, that's so odd.
And then I realized the reason that they probably don't ask questions about that is because we will be living under their institutions or top-down governments or whatever it is.
Yeah, I haven't heard that yet because the process of taking egg and sperm is still ongoing.
But I have heard something that I had not heard, that I had heard before in bits and pieces and didn't pay much attention to it.
But now I've heard it in much greater detail than ever before.
And it's distressing.
And it has to do with some abductees, not all, and not even the ones that are helping, not all the ones that are helping hybrids, but just some abductees who are being trained to do the work of hybrids and gray aliens.
Stare deeply into people's eyes, make them do this, make them do that with their minds, find people who live in another state through some sort of apparatus that they can look through, but still dealing with their minds, and teaching them basically how to be hybrids, even though they're not.
And they don't want to have anything to do with this whatsoever.
And they feel like even when they're teaching children how to get dressed, they feel like they're traitors to the human race.
There's this guilt that goes to them, even on board the object.
But this business of training hybrids with other hybrids who sit next to them, teach them how to do this, and how to stare into a person's eyes, how to make a person think he's, for example, this is one of one of the examples, make a person think he's jumping off a cliff in a room and force him to do that even though he's scared to death and doesn't want to do it.
And this is another abductee.
And there's a lot of stuff that I didn't put into the book that's even very, very, very routine, getting abductees to stand up in another room when there's a wall between you and walk into the room that one who's being trained to do this kind of stuff is standing in.
I don't know, but I would not be surprised if they could do that.
I don't know because they got this one guy to think he, now this is a little bit more complicated, but to think he was jumping off a cliff.
And they did not want him to go to the point of actually jumping off the cliff because he would just fall to the floor and he might, as the alien said, be damaged.
That's going to be the subject of my third book, my last book, Rather.
My life was not in danger, but what happens is when abnectees come to me and their friends, the aliens, find out about it, the first thing that the aliens do is try to stop them from talking to me.
That is a breach.
This is a clandestine phenomenon.
And it's secretive, and it's extremely successful secretively.
And so to breach this, to go ahead and tell people what they're doing is not good.
And they try to get people to stop.
And by and large, they do get people to stop.
One time, years and years ago, I was doing a session, it was our tenth session with a guy.
This guy had a PhD in mathematics.
I was doing a session with him.
And in the tenth session, he was telling me I was coming.
And then suddenly he sat bolt upright and he said, I shouldn't be telling you this.
And he got up and he said goodbye.
And then he walked out, and I never saw him again in a session.
Now, they obviously had gotten to him saying, you're doing the wrong thing.
You shouldn't be going there.
You shouldn't be telling him that, and all that sort of stuff.
And then they got to him.
And other people have done similar things.
But this one woman was extremely resistant.
And she kept talking to me and talking to me and talking to me.
And they did all sorts of things to her.
And they have methods of violence that they use.
This has been reported to me by several different people, so I know that this is Professor, would you hold on?
And if the scientific community would pay attention to this just a little bit, they might be able to figure something out that could stymie them or slow them down or do something that would be beneficial for us.
And I just don't see that happening in the near future.
And besides that, this program is now so old.
I mean, it goes back down to the 20th century.
And their technology is so unbelievably advanced that I just can't imagine stopping it.
Maybe they could, but actually talking about this.
If there's really we have no way of knowing whether we can defend ourselves against them, what were the medical conditions of the people that are actually being abducted?
Did any of them have any type of diseases or ill health or anything like that?
One of the people in my book, Allison, died in 2011.
She had been with me since 1993.
And the aliens had not do anything to alleviate her type 1 diabetes.
They didn't care.
There's more where she came from.
In other words, that's my sense of it.
Miracle cures is not in their benefit.
It points to something odd going on.
And so we don't see miracle cures, although I have, in fact, cataloged a few of them in Secret Life when people were very young and were kids, and they, in fact, were cured, two different people, of something.
But when people get cancer, generally speaking, they do nothing.
If they have heart disease, they do nothing.
Carla Turner, a famous abduction researcher, died of breast cancer.
And they let nature take its course, knowing that there's millions of abductees out there ill take a place.
I signed up for back in 1965, 66, when I started looking at UFOs.
I thought this was contact between two species who would meet together on the White House lawn and exchange presents and gifts and cure cancer and all that sort of stuff.
That was sort of the sense I had because they were so unbelievably advanced to be able to get here in the first place.
But when I started, you know, when I was introduced to Bud Hopkins back in 1982, and then I started to understand that there really was something to this abduction phenomenon, and he introduced me to abductees, and of course I read his books, and I realized that this was a much more complicated situation than I thought, and I couldn't, for the life of me, figure out why they would have babies and all that.
And then when I started doing my research based on my ideas from Bud, it just sort of led in this trajectory that Bud was having, but then the trajectory began to shift into these other things while maintaining the original stuff there.
But it just, the more I looked into it, the wider it got and the more I learned about it.
And then I and then people began to tell me, starting in 2003, about these hubrids and then I was off to the races, so to speak.
Well, we have no documentation in terms of close-ups or, I mean, there's all sorts of shadowy photographs and all that, but there's nothing on board.
And there's no pictures of humans standing there with their eyes wide open and aliens staring into them at a distance of either touching foreheads or an inch away.
I mean, with the abduction phenomenon, I mean, you can't remember what a person said.
You have to record everything.
And then you can't listen to, in those days, cassette tapes.
You can't listen to any tape.
You have to sit there for another three hours listening to something you already spent three hours listening to.
You have to have it transcribed, and then you can read through it and look at the certain points that you're looking for and so forth.
However, the reports, I'm the one who sort of discovered this neurological basis way early on, and I put it in 1990 in Secret Life.
And the only way that I could think of what they were actually doing was they were, when I asked the person, well, when he's staring at you like that, can you close your eyes?
Can you avert your eyes?
You know, can you do whatever?
And they said, no, they're just looking straight ahead.
And then I realized that the only nerve that is accessible from the outside, that is viewable essentially, is the optic nerve.
And you can see it in the back of the eye.
And my guess is, and this is, this is, I'm not a physician, but my guess is that they're hooking into the optic nerve and then using it as a conduit to go to any other neurological sites in the brain.
And they can energize anything they want.
They can add stuff, detract stuff.
They can put images in.
They can do all sorts of things.
For example, here is something that was played out in a woman's mind.
Now, the phenomenon is amazingly mundane.
For example, she sees in her mind's eye.
Now, I can't absolutely say it was a mind.
She thinks it might have been in a screen or it might have been in her mind, but this is typical mind stuff.
She sees a woman who is walking down a sidewalk in some setting.
It's a nice setting in a town.
And she stops at a bus stop, and it's a sheltered bus stop, and she sits down in the bus stop.
There's another woman sitting next to her.
The bus pulls up.
The other woman gets in, and then she gets in, and she takes her money out of her purse, and she puts it in the bus stop money place, and she walks to the end of the bus or wherever, and she sits down.
That's the end of the movie.
Immediately, an alien turns to her and says, what did she do wrong?
So if the woman says, well, she looked pretty good to me.
Everything was fine.
She looked a little maybe too nervous or something.
But other than that, everything looked fine.
That's the level of learning that's going on here.
And who would think of a drama like that?
How many Hollywood producers would have that as something that they could sell to a major movie company to capitalize on of this drama?
Here's another one.
A 10-year-old kid, a growing probably Hubert kid, comes down to a woman's house.
This is typical stuff, with a caretaker.
He was an older guy in his 20s.
And she takes him around the house and shows him this and shows him that and shows him other things.
Now they go into the living room and she sits on the couch and the caretaker sits on the couch.
And the kid sits in this upholstered chair, but he's sitting right on the edge.
Well, I don't know if we're a product of genetic manipulation as opposed to genetic change that happens over the millions of years.
But any group that can control another group will go ahead and control the group for their own benefit.
that has never happened like this before, but certainly anybody in power can control others, and oftentimes, if they don't like those others, it leads to disaster.
It benefits them in some way to do what they're doing, and it doesn't necessarily benefit us.
It might.
You might be right.
It might be good for us in some way.
But because this is such a clandestine program, because it is so secretive, and because they are so frightened of anybody saying anything about what's going on, I just can't imagine that it would be for our benefit.
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Okay.
I just thought, you know, the real evil we must deal right now is globalist bunkers, industrial-military complex, and such people.
Yeah, but they've got a life to live for as long as possible.
It's up to them to make the decision.
When they come to me when they fill out my questionnaire and I've decided I'll work with them, they have to live within 100 miles of me and all that, I give them very strong warnings about going forward with this.
I say, look, you stand on the verge of making a life-changing decision.
One of the most important life-changing decisions you will ever make if you find out that something is going on.
And the first thing that happens is you're isolated.
If you tell your family about it, they'll think you're crazy and they'll want you to get help.
And then it may well be that when you get to that help, you will recite essentially what you're saying tonight, and they will affirm the fact that you need help.
They oftentimes can't tell their husband or their wife.
Because if they tell their husband or their wife, the husband says, oh, that's crazy, that's nuts, ha, ha, ha, that's crazy, that's nuts, and thinks that they, you know, and then it's all fun and games.
And then one night, the husband will see something, then realize, oh, my God, this is happening, and then not want to be with the wife in close proximity to the wife anymore because they're frightened.
Not only that, but when a couple divorces, and if a person knows that the other one is an abductee, the first thing they tell the judge is, this woman thinks she's having sex with aliens.
Yeah, That has not come up so far, and I don't know how they explain that.
I do know that they're moving in very young, between the ages of around 17 and 23, and they're moving in small groups, twos, threes, and fours, into apartments.
Having said that, there are what I call independent hubrids who move in alone into apartments.
They have to learn about what a family is.
You've got to remember, they have no mother or father that they know of.
They have no siblings that they know of.
They don't know how old they are.
They don't know about aunts and uncles and cousins.
And if they do know, they don't know what part they have in a family.
They don't know any of it.
They learn all that from abductees.
And if they say, they could probably eventually learn to say something, well, I'm an orphan and I was raised in an orphan asylum until I was older or something like that.
I'm sure that they'll figure out something to say that the abductees will tell them what to say if that ever comes up.
But it's an interesting question, and I don't know the absolute answer to it, but it seems to me that it's going to be easy to overcome.
They abduct one person over and over and over again, not only because they get sperm and eggs, but because they have all sorts of different tasks to do on board the object.
When they're kids, they play with hybrid children.
When they're older, they teach other hybrid children how to do older adolescent type things and all that sort of stuff.
They have a world which they belong to, which they're involved with that they don't even know about, and that when they do learn about it, they wish that they weren't.
Having said that, I don't know why people are abducted so often.
It makes sense to them, and there is a reason for them.
For me, I don't know.
But this one woman, Betsy, who's sort of the star of the book, she was being abducted every other day almost for a couple of years, a year and a half or whatever it was, I can't remember exactly, constantly, constantly, constantly.
I would talk with her on the phone or it would do instant messaging or email, and she would hear clunking going on upstairs, and she would say, I think they're here, I have to get off.
And we would do a session on what happened the night before, and sure enough, you know, and this is a really wonderful person.
Her life and her husband's children revolves around the church, and she wasn't a person who was making up stories to lie to me and all the rest of that stuff.
And I've known her since 1999.
I'm still in contact with her.
In fact, I was in contact with her just the day before yesterday.
Well, having done abduction research since 1986 by myself, that is to say, with hypnosis, and having heard people say things that are not true, and having people can fabulate like crazy at this, that, and the other thing, and learning that when somebody says something for the first time, you know, it's not evidence, you've got to away the other people.
And knowing some of these people for long periods of time, And knowing their families and this and that, I'm fairly certain that this is true.
It's as certain as you can get with humans, you know what I mean?
Unless you're actually looking in their window as a peeping Tom and watching them being abducted.
A couple of questions I want to ask you over what's been said this evening.
To answer the question about Jesus intervening, there was a testimony of a MUFON investigator terminating abductions as a life pattern by Joseph Jordan.
And he says there's many cases out there where people have called on Jesus and apparently fallen back down on their beds.
Also, my other question was, were you ever able to go into the past of your patients or future to see if they were contacted in other reincarnates?
And also, have they managed to speed up the growth of hybrids?
Well, in your book, The Fret, I remember you talking about whilst being under a hypnotic regression, that there was another entity in the room and they were conscious of you being in that spirit at time.
There was another person in the room and they were conscious of me?
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Yeah, so whether it was one of the abductees, but there was an entity in the room and they were conscious of you being, in this present time, hypnotizing your patient, but the patient was letting you know that there's someone in the room with them who knows you're doing what you're doing.
Yeah, if you're, in essence, a defector of theirs, I mean, Humi, nothing strange has ever happened to me in my life, and I can remember all aspects of it, or some aspects of it, for the last five or six years.
Now, I can remember when I was a baby, when I was a little boy, and I've got pictures of me all the way through, and my mother was not an abductee, my father was not an abductee, and that's what determines it.
If your mother or your father was an abductee, the chances are extremely high that you will be an abductee.
But you can't be a defector.
You can't get away.
Most people, 95%, that's a guess, but it's probably a good guess, 95% of abductees around the world do not know that they're abductees.
And even if they think that they're abductees, it's such a crazy subject.
They just put it out of their minds to a certain extent.
And they think it's dreams, but they know it's not because it happens in real time.
And they come back.
People come back from abductions and sometimes their clothes are on backwards.
And sometimes their clothes, if they come back to bed, their pajamas are off.
They're not wearing their pajamas or their pajamas are on backwards.
Sometimes they come back wearing somebody else's clothes.
And people are physically missing from their normal environments when they're abducted.
Police have been called and search parties and this and that.
And children have searched for their parents and parents have searched for their children in real time, you know.
And people are abducted in groups and can confirm each other's abductions, if you want to hear a story about it.
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Is there a chance that you may be an enhanced exponent of this?
Talking about the procreation, going back to how you're saying that these aliens procreated, that harkens back to the Middle Ages, the 17th century, when the witch burnings and the huntings, Reverend Montague Summers and the Malleus Malaficar Ferkarum,
stated that demons would come first as a woman to seduce a human male, and the semen would be used to not only fertilize for the demon, but then the leftover would transform into an incubus and therefore would seduce a woman again.
And each time there would be DNA from the demons mixed in with the humans and passed on.
And so it sounds so similar that maybe they've been doing this since the 17th century.
And the reason is because we would probably know about it in some way, in people's diaries, in stories written, in other ways that we would be able to keep track of it.
But in fact, now there's a huge flaw in what I'm saying, because in the 1920s, we know it was happening in the 1920s and the 1930s, and nobody said anything.
So that may be wrong.
But at the same time, we have been able to trace it back to the last quarter of the 19th century.
And after that, we completely lose sight of it.
And we also lose sight of airships.
For example, in 1896 and 1897, there was a mystery airship wave, which was very strange indeed.
A lot of people think it was folklore, but it didn't seem like folklore.
Then in 1909, there were airship waves in the New England area.
Then there was really not much that we could, that people reported, that people reported, that's a critical event, until World War II.
And then there was the Foo Fighters in World War II, and right after World War II, yeah, then there was the Ghost Rockets of 1946, and then the major waves of UFO sightings that people began to report in 1947.
So there is a sort of trail that we can go through looking at this thing.
But when you get past the mid-19th century, let's just say, it really drops off the cliff, and you're going to get similarities here and there in literature and in art and this and that.
But you can't put a whole lot of trust in those things.
It was the first thing I thought of back in the 80s.
Really?
Yeah.
I put, this is in the videotape days, and I put video cameras mounted on a videotape recorder at the slowest speed possible so that we could get eight hours.
And it would be pointed at a person in her bedroom, let's just say.
And she would then look at the tapes afterwards and see which ones she wanted to send me.
There might be something embarrassing.
And she could like not to do that and so forth, you know.
And I did that with another person, another person, another person, another person, another person.
I think I had about 12 people sleeping on their cameras at one point.
What we got was a person getting up in the middle of the night, walking over to the camera, the VCR, and turning it off.
What we got was a person getting up in the middle of the night and walking into another room, followed by an abduction.
Or we got, you know, they're not going to come tonight.
I know they're not going to come tonight.
I'm just not going to turn that machine on, followed by an abduction.
So at the same time, we did get, for example, I have one of a huge flash in the person's bedroom in the middle of the night, which wakes her up, and then she goes right back to sleep.
Now, I don't know what that was.
Maybe it was a plane crash across the street.
I don't know.
But it was an odd flash.
And then I have a long sequence where a woman goes upstairs.
This is a long story, so I won't tell it, but it goes up and her two kids are sleeping in her bed.
She takes one kid out and puts it in the bedroom.
She comes back and takes the other kid out and puts it in the kid's bedroom.