Art Bell

All Episodes

Previous Next

Sept. 1, 2015 - Art Bell

02:15:53

Art Bell MITD - Patrick Burns EVPs

Participants

Main voices

43:41

patrick burns

59:16

Large

Audio Only |

Scroll

Show episode speakers

Speaker	Time	Text
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Midnight in the desert.
		I am on development.
		We have rules.
		Definitely have rules.
		Two of them.
unidentified		No bad language, because nobody needs it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And only one called for show.
		That's it.
		All right, I've got a couple of items for you here at the beginning of the show.
		In the conservative United States, citing God, invoking God's authority, a county clerk denied marriage licenses to gay couples again on Tuesday in direct defiance of federal courts.
		And he vowed, I'm not going to resign.
		I don't care if I get a fine or go to jail.
		It's not a light issue for me.
		That's probably where he's headed.
		He says for him, it is a quoting here, heaven and hell decision, end quote.
		So that's a conservative United States.
		And now the liberal Vatican, not reported at all, really, on the cable networks.
		This one is a headshaker.
		Pope Francis is applying his vision of a merciful church to women who have had abortions, easing their path toward forgiveness, saying that he will realizes that some women had no choice or felt they had no choice and made this agonizing and painful decision.
		And so he published a letter Tuesday in the Holy See in which he said, the Pope said, he was allowing all rank and file priests to grant absolution during the holy year of mercy he has proclaimed.
		And that will run from December 8th, 2015 until November 20th of 2016.
		So the liberal Vatican is, when hand we're going one way, the Vatican is going the other, saying that during that time, only during that time, can you be absolved from having had an abortion?
		Things really are a changing, huh?
		The market changing too, downside, I'm afraid.
		Almost 500 points down, same fear, China.
		China is slowing a little faster than they thought it was, and that's going to not be good stuff for the market.
		Well, coming up in a moment, we are going to talk about ghosts.
		We are specifically going to talk to Patrick Burns, who is going to talk about ghosts.
		He has a number, quite a number of EVPs for us.
		He is a ghost investigator.
		It's going to be a pretty wild week, actually.
		Tomorrow night, Peter Davenport will be here.
		Then we'll have something about werewolves coming up on the following show.
		I don't want to give it all away, but it's going to be good.
		This little thing from me, Roman senator Pliny, the younger, who died way back just 13 years after the death of Jesus, told a ghost tale so haunting that it survives today.
		It seems there was at Athens a large and roomy house which, well, had a bad name, so nobody could live there.
		In the dead of night, a noise resembling the clashing of iron was frequently heard.
		If you listen more attentively, it actually sounded like the rattling of chains.
		Disturbances that led to the appearance of a specter.
		The form of an old man of extremely emaciated and squalid appearance with a long beard and disheveled hair rattling the chains on his feet and hands.
		Well, needless to say, that house was abandoned quickly and had to be rented out for on the cheap.
		Then suddenly a philosopher named Athendorius heard the story.
		He reportedly rented the house on the cheap, I assume, and immediately confronted the ghost.
		The ghost appeared and rattled around before vanishing.
		Athendorius calmly marked the spot where the ghost had vanished.
		Smart, huh?
		In the morning, he ordered the spot be dug up, and as the story goes, they found the skeleton of a man in chains.
		It was found right there.
		For the body, having lain a considerable time in the ground, was putrefied and mouldered away from the chains.
		Nevertheless, after being given a proper burial, the ghost departed and the house was haunted no more.
		That's from the Harvard Classics, by the way.
		All right, coming up in a moment, paranormal investigator Patrick Burns is best known for his starring role on True TV's Formerly court TV's haunting evidence.
		He was there for three seasons, actually, able to apply his vast knowledge of electronics and computer systems toward the goal of documenting paranormal activity.
		Most recently, he has been seen as a recurring guest on Judge Zach Begin's Paranormal Challenge on the Travel Channel.
		Burns is one of the most respected and in-demand paranormal researchers today, conducting investigations, lecturing on many, many topics, and headlining on college campuses literally from coast to coast.
		His numerous technical skills include a mastery of advanced audio filtering techniques for enhancing faint, and they are faint, EVP or electronic voice recordings, which, frankly, I consider to be evidence of the presence of the afterlife.
		And if there is a more important question in our lives, all of our lives, than whether or not there's anything that comes next, I can't imagine what it would be.
		Wouldn't that be the most important question you would want answered?
unidentified		I know it certainly is for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Midnight in the Desert, stand by.
unidentified		Sweet dreams are made of the earth.
		Take a walk on the wild side of midnight from the Kingdom of Nigh.
		This is Midnight in the Desert with Art Bell.
		Please call the show at 1-952-225-5278.
		That's 1-952-Call on Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I love this song.
		It's just the way she belts it out.
		Unbelievable stuff.
		All right, everybody.
		Let's do it, shall we?
		How's that for immediate.
		Immediacy.
		Patrick, I would like to welcome you to the show, I think, from where is it?
		You're in Georgia, South Carolina, somewhere down there.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Savannah, Georgia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Savannah, Georgia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's late in Savannah.
unidentified		It is.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		It's a little bit after midnight here, the witching hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what in the world got you into chasing ghosts?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		You know, Art, that goes back almost 30 years ago to the day.
		August 7th, 1985.
		One of my brothers was killed in a tragic automobile accident in Chicago, where I grew up.
		And very much in the beginning, my interest in the paranormal, what pulled me into this world was a spiritual journey.
		I was looking for an answer.
		I was looking for reassurance, the existence of a spirit world.
		You know, we were, of course, surrounded.
		My family was surrounded by friends and family that reassured us, just continue to go to church and pray and know that you will be reunited with Billy someday.
		And that wasn't enough for me.
		I wanted an experience.
		I wanted something that would demonstrate to me the existence of a spirit world in the afterlife and would reassure me that I might be reunited not only with Billy, but my other loved ones at some point.
		So when I got into this 30 years ago, it was very much a spiritual journey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Patrick, I'm in it for the same exact reasons.
		You know, I'm 70 years old, right?
		I guess you didn't know that.
		I am.
		I'm 70.
		So, you know, I can hear the footsteps, and I want to know if there is something else or if, you know, it's just wink out time.
		I can't think of any bigger question for all of mankind.
		Can you?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I can't.
		And it is indeed the oldest question, you know, of mankind.
		What happens after we pass on?
		So that was my initial brush with it, was a spiritual journey.
		And as I tell people today, I said, you know, my gears have shifted a little bit, and now I've demonstrated to myself, I think, the existence of a spirit world.
		I've convinced myself, and now I try to convince others.
		I try to document this activity using scientific methods or as scientific as we can be, because as I'm sure you know, we run into a problem here based on the foundation.
		The cornerstone of science is the scientific method.
		And according to mainstream science, if you're going to present something scientifically for review, you'd better be able to repeat your results under controlled observations.
		And there's paranormal activity doesn't perform on command.
		It doesn't repeat under the stringent and strict demands and guidelines that science demands.
		So we're kind of left in limbo here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a concern.
		Well, it doesn't repeat on order.
		In other words, for example, you cannot order EVPs to happen.
		However, they are a repeatable phenomenon.
		In other words, I've had others on that do EVPs.
		Now I have you on.
		We're going to be doing EVPs tonight.
		And while they can't be ordered to appear, it is a repeatable phenomenon.
		And so it is one of the things that I think comes closer to being scientifically verifiable than anything else.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I completely agree with you.
		And as I'm not sure if you knew this from my bio, my current position down here in Savannah is I do lead a walking tour as a tour guide here.
		And I take folks on a historic ghost tour throughout the historic district of Savannah.
		And I tell people the local lore, the ghost stories.
		And then I add an extra dimension, an element, a twist on my tour that most of the other tours companies aren't doing.
		And I pull out the recorders.
		We try to actually document activity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is the American South, Patrick, seemingly more haunted than other parts of the country?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The American South, I don't know, Charleston, Savannah, you guys down there just seem to have a lot of paranormal stuff going for you.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Charleston, Savannah, St. Augustine, Key West, New Orleans.
		It's like the whole southeastern seaboard seems to be littered with these paranormal active hotspots.
		Why?
		I've definitely noticed that.
		I'm not sure, R. I don't know if it's because people in the South are more open-minded to this sort of thing than they are elsewhere in the United States.
		Ghost stories are part of Southern folklore here.
		They always have been.
		And I think Southerners maybe embrace their haunted heritage a little bit more than other places.
		And in Savannah, we lay claim, we call ourselves America's most haunted city.
		It's believed to be just the amazing things that have happened here.
		There's a lot of history that took place in Savannah over its almost 300 years of existence.
		Some good things happened here.
		A lot of not so good things happened.
		But Savannah in particular is known throughout the paranormal circles as the city built on its dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		City built on its dead?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		City built on its dead.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		And people ask me, what do you mean by that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, throughout the historic district, there are always kind of like, you know, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Sort of like that, I guess.
		Yeah.
		Savannah is, for all intents and purposes, one great big cemetery.
		When the city started out, when it was founded in 1733, they would bury their dead out in the forest beyond the boundaries of the city on its south side.
		The first cemetery was reserved for white Protestants.
		So if you weren't a white Protestant, your coffin was carried out into the woods.
		They found a clearing in the trees.
		They dug a grave for you.
		And then eventually, of course, Savannah's population began to swell.
		More settlers began to arrive, and the settlers would push further and further into the forest.
		And when they came across these grave sites, if they couldn't find a family to claim them, they just paved over them.
		They built on top of these graves.
		So when Savannah is referred to as a city built on instead, we mean it in the very literal sense of that word.
		And I think that's probably the biggest catalyst for Savannah's haunted reputation, is the fact that it is, for all intents and purposes, one great big unexhumed cemetery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
		The problem that I have with this is that that would seem to imply that the spirit or whatever is left after we die remains in or near the body.
		And I just don't want to even contemplate that possibility at all.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		No, we want to think that when we die, we do not pass go, we go directly to heaven, right?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		We don't linger around.
unidentified		We do.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		But it's an interesting idea, Art, if you think about it, because we as people, we're materialistic, right?
		There is no more material possession to us than our own body.
		And imagine if somebody's afraid of dying, afraid of letting go.
		What are they going to cling on to more than anything?
		Maybe their earthly remains are what they really cling on to and latch onto.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe their house, maybe their loved ones.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		Sure.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		This is all conjecture.
		This is all speculative as to why somebody might become a ghost versus crossing over like we all think and hope we're supposed to do when we die.
		And one thing I want to clarify, Art, is I don't profess to be an expert.
		You know, I believe in the...
		I'm not an expert.
		I don't believe there are any experts in the paranormal art.
		I think we're all trying to figure out everything, and we have a lot of opinions.
		There's a lot of ideas, but I'm not going to sit here and say that my ideas or opinions hold any more validity or weight than anyone else's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me clear something up for the audience.
		You do run a tour.
		Yes, sir.
		But I take it you have not written books yet, have you?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I have.
		I co-authored a book with my wife, Marley Gibson.
		We wrote this together about six or seven years ago.
		It's a book called The Other Side, A Teen's Guide to Ghost Hunting in the Paranormal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A Teen's Guide?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		A Teen's Guide to Ghost Hunting in the Paranormal.
		My wife wrote a fictional novelization, a series called The Ghost Huntress.
		It's sort of a modern twist on Nancy Drew mysteries.
		Nancy Drew meets ghost hunters, quite frankly.
		And she and her publisher came up with this idea to write a nonfiction companion to her series because of all the programs that were coming out.
		You know, you have ghost hunters and ghost adventures.
		We wanted to make sure, or rather, Marley and her agent thought it would be a good idea to get the next generation of ghost hunters started on the right foot and sort of show them some do's and don'ts that we've learned over the ways.
		And a lot of it is common sense in the book.
		You know, don't trespass, don't go out on an investigation while you're intoxicated.
		You know, a lot of it is common sense like that.
		But a good portion of the book, probably 90, 95% of the book, is some of the techniques that we've learned over the years, how to record EVP, how to secure a location before you begin an investigation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, after you've had a successful investigation, then you need drinks.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Hold off on the spirits until after the ghosts, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Okay.
		So you've been at this for a long time.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Quite a while.
		Quite a while.
		In different capacities.
		You know, my journey, my brushing with the paranormal 30 years ago did not mean I started off investigating.
		I started studying up on this sort of thing.
		I started reading about topics more and more.
		And my first real brush with the paranormal happened about 1989.
		And my brothers had a tavern down in Chicago that I helped them manage and run.
		And it was an old building.
		The building dated back, I believe, to at least the 1880s.
		And it was one of the few buildings in that area that was not claimed by the Great Chicago Fire.
		And I would help them out.
		I wasn't old enough to tend bar at that time, but I would help them out by cleaning the bar after it closed.
		So I would be alone in the bar.
		We lived on the apartment upstairs from it.
		I would be downstairs in the bar by myself for several hours cleaning up, and I always felt like somebody was watching me.
		I always had this weird feeling that somebody was watching me.
		And one night I was sitting at the bar, I was having a Coke, taking a break, and I was turned sideways facing down the bar.
		And of course, we had mirrors behind the bar where the top shelf liquor was kept.
		And in the mirror, in my peripheral vision, I saw very clearly the apparition of a man looking back at me, a reflection.
		And he looked to be Latino, Latino male, long, dark, kind of greasy black hair.
		He had a very thin mustache and a goatee.
		And I saw, and of course I turned to look and there was nothing there.
		And I thought, well, I'm really losing my mind tonight, right?
		So I kind of gave it no real thought.
		And a couple of weeks later, I had a friend of mine, Gene, was in the bar with me one evening.
		He was helping me clean up.
		I was in a band at the time, and I think we had some recording studio time, so he was helping me get done with my job early so we could get out of there.
		He was sitting in the exact same chair that I had been that night.
		Now, I haven't told anybody about this encounter.
		And as we're sitting there talking, all of a sudden he stops.
		He starts looking behind the bar back and forth.
		And I said, what?
		And he said, I could have sworn I saw somebody in the mirror there, a reflection of somebody looking at me.
		And I said, describe them.
		He said, it looked like a Mexican male.
		I said, wow, thank you.
		Okay, I'm not losing my mind, right?
		Now it gets even more interesting is I dated a girl for a short period of time who claimed to be a psychic medium.
		And this was before I really knew anything about that.
		I don't know if I really believed her or if I thought she was a little loopy, maybe a little bit of both.
		But we stepped onto the property one night.
		She was coming over to visit me.
		And we went in the back gate on the back of the property.
		And the second she crossed the threshold of the property, the second she stepped through the gate, she shrieked.
		And I said, what?
		She said, somebody was murdered here.
		I said, what?
		She said, I see this clear as day in my eye.
		I can see it.
		At least one person, maybe even two, at least one person.
		She said it was horrible.
		I thought, okay, hadn't heard anything about this before?
		And I kind of dismissed it.
		And then finally, this is where everything, all the dots connect.
		We lived next door, two doors down from a convenience store.
		And I was in there early in the morning one night.
		And the sales clerk, it was an older gentleman named Charles.
		And he and I were chatting one night.
		He said, boy, you and your brothers, you know, you've really done the number with that bar.
		You've really turned it into something really nice and classy and special.
		He said, I remember this neighborhood when it was, you know, was predominantly Latino.
		He said, it was a rough neighborhood back in the 70s.
		And he said, I'll never forget the night that those two guys shot each other in the bar.
unidentified		Wow.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I said, what?
		He said, oh, yeah, it was all over the news.
		They each pulled a gun on each other.
		Boom, boom.
		Shot each other dead right there in the, you know, he said, there were police cars all over the place, all over the news.
		So the points connect.
		The circle becomes complete at that point.
		And I was like, wow, unbelievable.
		All of these elements connect together, and finally you have a complete picture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Patrick, let me ask you this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that a ghost is, in fact, definitely something that was at one time human, or is it possible we're dealing with a combination of things that we don't know about?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I think it's absolutely possible that it's a combination of things.
		You know, I know some people demons, possibly.
		I don't know.
		I think the whole demon element in the paranormal is really kind of overplayed.
		I know a lot of people go in and they assume that because something bad happens, somebody gets shoved or somebody gets scratched, that they automatically attribute anything that's unpleasant to demonic activity.
		Who's to say?
		I think we're putting the cart before the horse in this instance.
		I think we're trying to run before we can walk.
		And before we go assigning titles to stuff, we need to understand exactly what it is we're dealing with here.
		We're not even sure that ghosts exist at this point.
		So by categorizing it and labeling stuff as saying, well, that's demonic and that's a poltergeist, I think it's very premature.
		Until we have a better grasp on what it is that we're dealing with, we simply don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know I attribute my scratches mostly to demons.
		Some of them are just good sex, but mostly demons.
		All right, so we are going to be playing EVPs tonight.
		These are scary.
		They really are scary.
		I mean, hearing voices from the other side is scary.
		Now, let's see.
		What can I ask you about how you were all of these recorded by you?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		What modality do you use to record them?
		Tell me about it.
		What do you use?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I use, of all things, as you probably know and as many of your listeners know, recording EVP.
		It's not, the actual process of recording these, making these recordings is not difficult at all.
		It involves pressing record on an audio recorder and asking questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm asking what kind of recorder you use.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Right, exactly, exactly.
		That's the real catch.
		That's the real trick, is finding that adequate recorder.
		And for me, it was a search for many, many years to find one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bill the Beans.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I came across this purely by accident.
		I have an old, obsolete BlackBerry smartphone that has I don't even use it as a phone anymore.
		I have the radio turned off on it.
		It's a glorified audio recorder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm kidding you.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		There's no app that comes with this particular digital, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I don't see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I knew there'd be a use for those things before it was all over, before the world ended, and you found one.
unidentified		Hold on.
unidentified		Hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just figured a Blackberry.
		Where else?
		Midnight in the desert.
		EVPs tonight.
		Prepare yourself.
unidentified		Some velvet morning when I'm straight.
		I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles.
		Oh, yeah, yeah.
		In the darkest time, between dusk and dawn, from the high desert, it's Art Bell's midnight in the desert.
		Now, here's Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I realize that it is cruel and wrong of me to laugh about BlackBerry.
		So I am considering me properly personally chaste.
		Sorry about that.
		I don't know why.
unidentified		It just gets me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Patrick, welcome back.
		Patrick Burns is my guest, and unless he got angry and left because of the Blackberry left.
		So we're about to get down to it, but so that is what you use.
		And that's fine.
		It's a digital recorder, which is interesting because you get, you know, in the old days, people used reel-to-reel recorders and tape sets and all that stuff.
		And, of course, that added so damn much noise to already hard-to-hear things that what you're using is, wait a minute, I'm getting something here.
		Patrick, I don't know anything about you, do I?
		Except, you know, what was written here from my producer, right?
		Never known you or anything.
		And yet I sense you're the cat story in the news.
		You're a cat person, right?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		It's like coming to me.
unidentified		Does the name Maddie mean anything to you?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		It does indeed.
unidentified		Boo.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Are you cold reading the art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maddie and Boo are your cats, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They are.
unidentified		They are indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll just let you wonder how I know that.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Probably because there's 500 pictures of them on social media.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, no, it's because it was a wormhole somebody sent me a message.
		Ah, that'll do it too.
		But I wanted to sound like I was, you know.
		Where did you learn the phrase cold reading?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, say again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where did you learn the phrase cold reading?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		What about the phrase cold reading?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where did you learn the phrase cold reading?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Ah, ah, well, you know, I do consider myself to be a skeptic in the true sense of the word when it comes to the paranormal.
		I've certainly had my experiences and that sort of thing.
		And I know that I believe that some people might have a touch of the sixth sense, as it were.
		And then I think there are a certain, without mentioning names, a certain contingency of the population in the paranormal community that not so much so.
		And some people that will go out there and actively try to deceive and prime themselves with information from the quote-unquote great beyond ahead of time before they go alive in front of an audience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long do you, I mean, do you normally, for example, take your device to a location and just let it run, or how do you do this?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I used to do that art.
		I got my first digital recorder, I guess, about maybe 10 or 11 years ago.
		And back then, I think it had a maximum record time of something like four hours, which back then was unheard of.
		And I'm thinking, oh my gosh, I can go to an investigation.
		I can let the recorder run the whole time.
		And then I realized at the end of the investigation, I'm like, holy crud, I've got a four-hour recording to listen to now.
		I have to set aside another four hours of my life to go through and listen to this.
		And it just was impractical.
		And then I started cutting it down to a shorter recording session of maybe 15 minutes.
		And even that seemed to be a little bit too much.
		And then I noticed other investigators that concentrate on EVP were working in what they call burst sessions for maybe perhaps only two or three minutes.
		And I've actually even taken that to the extreme.
		I will do, my typical recording session will run 60 seconds to a minute and a half, usually no longer.
		Very seldom do I go longer than two minutes on a recording session because I've found that if I'm going to get a response, I'm going to get it within that first minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow, that's a wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, most of my other people that do this have spent hours and hours at it and listening for it.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		So there you go.
		I think they're working too hard.
		I don't think they need to do that.
		I think once you get a knack for doing this, you're either going to get a response in the first minute or so or you're not going to get responsible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that's excellent.
		A lot of people in the audience can give it a try.
		I really, really encourage people to try this themselves.
		And the ones that have have actually emailed me back and said, oh, my God, it works.
		And so, you know, something's going on here.
		There's no question about it.
		All right, let's rock and roll.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's do it.
		Set it up for me.
		What are we about to hear?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're about to hear, this is a recording that I made.
		This was actually not on my tour, and that is one of the things I think I mentioned that on my walking tour, I actually do demonstrations of EVPs for my audience on a nightly basis here in Savannah.
		This was an exception.
		I actually arrived for my tour accidentally an hour early.
		This was back in December, and I got there an hour early, and I had time to kill.
		So what I did is I took a stroll down to one of our historic squares here in Savannah called Calhoun Square.
		It's about a block away from where I start my tour.
		And Calhoun Square is historically significant in Savannah because it is the location, we actually have evidence to back this up, it is the location of the former slave cemetery back when Savannah was expanding.
		And back when this was a slave cemetery, it was literally a mass grave that was out in the forest.
		It was not marked.
		It was basically as a slave would pass away.
		They would carry them out there, no wooden pine box or anything.
		They would probably wrap them up in a sheet or burlap, put them in this mass grave.
		And by some estimates, there are anywhere from a thousand to as many as 6,000 African slave graves in this area, and they were never moved.
		The graves are still there.
		They were built on top of.
		And people ask, how is that possible?
		How do they not find these graves when they're breaking ground and building the foundations?
		That's because here in the south, very few buildings, especially in Savannah, have subterranean foundations.
		Most of them are, the foundation is stacked on top of the surface.
		They don't dig down.
		So you could very easily build a structure or a road or a building on top of these graves and never know what's underneath.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's where you got it.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's where you got what we're about to hear.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		This was in front of a spooky, uninhabited house that sits on that square.
		And I was there by myself.
		But because it was before the tour, I had a chance to experiment a little bit.
		And this was actually recorded on my trusty BlackBerry as well.
		I remembered that the BlackBerry has a, I guess you could call it a video camera function on it.
		It doesn't record very high-quality video, but I thought maybe I might use it to capture visual as well as audio evidence.
		So I fired up the video camera, filmed around with a little LED light in front, and on playback I realized that the recording, it was essentially worthless.
		The range of the LED light was maybe two feet, and it was all pixelated.
		I couldn't make anything out.
		So I kind of dismissed it.
		Completely forgot about this recording.
		And then I stumbled across it about two months later when I was clearing files off of this SD card.
		I stumbled across this video file amongst my audio files called test.
		I was like, what the heck is this?
		And I started playing it, and I'm like, oh yeah, that's right.
		That video file I did in front of the house that night before my tour.
		Didn't see anything in it.
		So I'm about ready to hit delete.
		And I'm like, well, wait a second.
		I may have reviewed it visually.
		I did not review it and listen to it to find out if I couldn't hear something in it.
		And I'm glad I did.
		I call this one the EVP that nearly got away because the night that I stood in front of this house with a video recording device trying to capture visual evidence, you will hear the sound of a voice that says, see me.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that all we're going to hear?
		Or are we going to hear?
		Okay.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You'll hear me say, I'm doing a test recording with the video, and then you'll hear the EVP.
		I loop it three times at the end.
		Okay, so you'll hear it.
		Yeah, you'll hear it in succession three times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fire one.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't hear much of anything yet.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		You don't hear much of anything.
unidentified		No.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Can we try that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it sounds like...
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Is it any better?
unidentified		You're not...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's some button you're not turning on, Patrick.
unidentified		Hmm.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, these are the same settings we used when we tested it out earlier today.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I am maxed out there on my audio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those are famous last words.
unidentified		You know, it works.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Let's try this.
		Let's try this.
		This might be better.
		Let's see if this is.
unidentified		the video camera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard that.
		I sure did hear that.
		It did seem to say in a digital kind of weird way, see me.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Play it again.
unidentified		Just doing a quick test recording here.
unidentified		The video camera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's so creepy out.
		Okay.
		Well, we can't do this long a setup for each one, but man, that is so creepy.
		Okay, it is what it is.
		I have so many questions when I hear these things.
		I mean, to think of a spirit lingering and then probably pushing really hard to be able to beg you, apparently, to see that person.
		Could you tell if it was male or female or child or what?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like it might be male.
		And this location, you're going to hear a number of EVP recordings tonight that I have made in front of this location.
		This is my grand finale on my tour.
		This is where we end the tour each night.
		And it's just off the hook.
		It is just unbelievable in terms of the voices that we get there.
		We get male voices, we get female voices, and a lot of them, they seem to be the same voices.
		It's not the same one that will communicate with me every night, but the female voices seem to be the same female voices coming through.
		The male voices seem to have similar characteristics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you get children?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Do I have children?
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's very common with EVPs and very upsetting.
		And everybody wonders why there are so many children in EVPs.
		I mean, even statistically, you would think fewer children than adults die, right?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		You would think so, right?
		And I agree that that is very disheartening to think that a small child might be left behind, might be lingering around here.
		It's, you know, as a parent of two boys, I find that very, very disconcerting to think that children might be left behind.
		Very tragic.
		This one, so you're asking about children.
		This one's the one that I end my tours with each night.
		This is the one that really, I tell people this is the EVP that will haunt them, that they will hear echoing in their ears as they lay down to go to sleep at night.
		And a little bit of background about this one.
		I had a woman with me on my tour who had her daughter with her that night.
		And she was very protective of her daughter.
		And there are a couple of ghost stories that we tell around town about these children that died these tragic deaths, you know, due to negligence of adults.
		And this woman was very irate every time I would tell one of these stories, even though a couple of them are probably urban legend more than factual.
		This woman was visually shaken every time I would tell one of these stories.
		She was just very, very upset.
		And so she was giving off this vibe.
		She's like, where was her mother?
		Where was her mother to protect her from these people?
		She was giving off this very nurturing, protective, motherly vibe.
		And on this recording that I did, right after telling one of these stories, you're going to hear the sound, the voice of a little girl that approaches and says, mommy.
		Listen to how loud this is in comparison even to my own voice.
unidentified		Final EVP session of the evening, starting at 10.07 p.m.
		On October 4th, 2014, we are standing outside 432 Abercorn on Calhoun Square.
		Yes.
		Woo, woo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'll sure give that one to you.
		All right, well, you've got to put that down real quick after we do these.
		My goodness gracious, what a sound.
		That was clearly a child, too.
		Even though it was in a whisper, you could tell it was in a child.
		How do you know that, well, how can I put this, Patrick?
		How do you know that these are not people on the tour that are being recorded?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do a very good job of noting other sounds.
		And I mean, these are with good reason.
		You know, people do ask me that all the time.
		Recording on the street on Savannah, while there's other traffic going on, there's other tours going on, it does create challenges.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will say that it doesn't sound like a child lost on a tour looking for mommy.
		Not even close.
		Go ahead and give it to us again, if you would, please.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Let's hear it one more time.
unidentified		Final EVP session of the evening starting at 10.07 p.m.
		October 4th, 2014.
		We are standing outside 432 Abercorn on Calhoun Square.
		Closed Captioning by Kris Brandhagen.com Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, clearly a child.
		Clearly a child.
		Trying to reach mommy from not right next to her and not lost.
		That sounds like a child from the other side, sure enough.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Latching on to that woman who was so protective of adolescent children, adolescent females.
		That's what I think.
		That was the night.
		That was the woman who was with me on the tour that night.
		That's the one that really gets everybody.
		I play that one for everyone, and they're just the eyes open like saucers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
		What do you think this means?
		And we're going to play a whole lot more of these, but what do you think this means about the other side?
		Do you have any thoughts on it?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I have thoughts, Art, but, you know, as I tell everybody, I got into the paranormal to search for answers.
		And the irony is I have more questions today than I did when I started out.
		I have more, I find that I know less today than I thought I did when I got started doing paranormal research.
		As we go further and further in, I mean, you can speculate on these things, but so much of what we find seems to contradict the other evidence that we find, that comes out.
		And we don't want to think of children being left behind.
		Some people have said, you're not talking with spirits, you're talking with demons.
		They're trying to deceive you.
		Well, again, that goes back to what I said earlier.
		I think we're putting the cart before the horse there.
		We're jumping to conclusions just because we're uncomfortable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's do one more before the top of the hour here.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let me pull up my list here.
		This one was recorded outside of an old antique shop here in Savannah.
		And this was an interesting stop on the tour.
		It was never really designed to be a tour stop.
		It happened to be along the way as we were going from one location to the other.
		And I had my wife, Marley, with me that night.
		And she suggested, she said, hey, Patrick, let's stop in front of the old antique shop and try to do EVP.
		And of course, the reasoning for this, our whole construct with this was some people believe not only can a location be haunted, but maybe a relic of the past, an object, an antique might be haunted.
		So if spirit were to be attached to any of these antiques, our thing was let's invite spirit that might be associated with any of these things to come out and speak with us.
		And in this recording, in the first recording, I asked, I said, did any of these relics belong to you in life?
		And the response that I got back was no, which surprised me.
		So I thought, well, that's good.
		Let's do a follow-up recording.
		And this is the follow-up recording.
		You'll hear me ask out loud, you indicated none of these relics belonged to you in life.
		So why are you still here?
		And you will hear a voice that says, hey, you, come inside.
		And I loop it three times for you to hear it again.
		So let's give it a list.
unidentified		Okay, our next EAP session at 9.59 p.m., November 30th, 2014.
		Standing outside Arthur Smith Antiques.
		A voice came through to us just a moment ago.
		Thank you for communicating with us.
		You indicated nothing in the store belonged to you.
		So why are you here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty weird stuff, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So far, most of them sound whispered.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what you know, I've had others on who do EVPs, and some of them are angry EVPs.
		I mean, we'll pick this up after the break, so hold tight.
		Very angry EVPs, and the answer seems to come back, well, angry on this side, angry on that side.
		As you are on Earth, you are there.
		There's something that...
unidentified		There's something that...
		Don't worry, I'm explanation to the Darius Games.
		Yeah, I'll tell you.
		It's not radio, but it is what's next, exclusively on the Dark Matter Digital Network, Midnight in the Desert, with Art Bell.
		Now, here's Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here I am.
		My guest is Patrick Burns, and the first thing we're going to do, I think, is repeat the last one we did again.
		And what does it say, Patrick?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		The last one that we played, that was outside Arthur Smith Antiques.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		That's the one that says, hey, come hear you.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's do that again, please.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay, our next TVP session at 9.59 p.m.
		November 30th, 2014.
		Standing outside Arthur Smith Antiques.
		A voice came through to us just a moment ago.
		Thank you for communicating with us.
		You indicated nothing in the store belonged to you.
		So why are you here?
		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you do a short burst of recording and you get a response like no, and then you immediately go back and ask a question, right?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that makes sense, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you've got the attention of something on the other side, you want to keep it and see if you can get more.
unidentified		Indeed.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's move on.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If we can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People will have questions for you, and we've got a lot to get through here.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's do it.
unidentified		Okay.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		So you want me to move on to the next recording with that?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, set it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give us an idea of.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Well, this one I had recorded outside of the same antique shop, actually.
		I was intrigued.
		Something wanted me to go inside.
		I recorded another EVP, which I don't have queued up.
		I don't think it's going to be good for radio, but I got a similar recording, a similar voice a couple of days after.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
		When you say that, what do you mean good for radio?
		You mean bad language?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Not going to be loud enough for your listeners to hear, even with amplification.
		But I got a follow-up that said, come inside.
		After saying, hey, come here, you, come inside.
		Seemingly something wants me to go inside the shop.
		I was going to go inside the shop, but they had been closed, actually, for some remodeling.
		They had some water damage they experienced.
		And when I was looking up the phone number for this place, I found the obituary for the man who had passed away, who had owned the shop, had passed away back in 2008.
		I went there, actually.
		It turns out that the anniversary of his death was coming up in a couple of days after I found the obituary.
		I took my tour group there that night, and this is the recording that resulted.
		You will hear me say out loud, we're here on a very special night.
		We're here on the anniversary of the death of the man who once owned this shop.
		And I ask out loud, I say, do you have a message that you would like for me to give to your family?
		And after I say message, I pause for a moment to draw breath.
		And in that pause, you will hear a voice that says, I'm with God.
		I'm with God.
		I'm going to loop it three times.
		Let's hear it.
unidentified		Our next recording at 9.34 p.m. outside Arthur Smith Antiques on the 18th of April, 2015.
		Tonight is a very, very special night.
		This is the anniversary of the death of the original owner of this shop, Arthur Smith Jr.
		Or as he was known to his friends, Artie.
		Do you want me to give a message to your family, the current owners of the shop?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that certainly came through clearly enough.
unidentified		How many...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you're recording these, Patrick, there are generally, what, all kinds of people around you at the time?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I'll have a group of people with me.
		There are cars going by.
		There are other tours going on.
		And obviously, it's not ideal conditions to record under.
		There's a lot of contamination.
		But what I find is I develop an ear for this.
		The more I do it, I've developed an ear.
		And I know, I can tell by listening back, I can say, okay, that's EVP.
		That's somebody talking off in the distance.
		That's somebody half a block away screaming at the top of their lungs.
		And I do a good job of tagging the external sounds as well as I come across them.
		But you develop an ear for this after a while, after you do it as many times as I have.
		It starts to become basically second nature for you.
		The more you do it, the better you get at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess so.
		I think a lot of people would hear this kind of thing, and it might startle them, or they might totally ignore it.
		I mean, just as noise.
		Unless you listen very carefully, you can't really make out, you wouldn't make out, your brain wouldn't make out anything but noise.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I think also what we're suffering through here is, you know, the connection, the audio connection, retransmitting it over.
		What I do is I make these recordings on the spot, and then I have a pretty high-quality speaker, external speaker that I plug the device into and I play them back.
		And I think maybe we're getting some, if it's not coming through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, trust me, it's coming through very clearly.
		This is digital radio all the way to the listener's ear.
		It's coming through very clearly.
		That's not the problem.
		I'm just saying that unless you were listening for it, if you listened to a recording, that you were, I don't know, making a recording for whatever reason, your brain would hear that as noise, wouldn't necessarily register it as what it is and what we clearly hear.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		You have to have your ear tuned for it.
		You have to be listening for it.
		Yeah, absolutely.
		I agree with you.
		Most people would just dismiss that as background noise.
		But we're actively listening for it.
		We're listening for these lower fidelity, these lower amplitude sounds to come through on us.
		So you definitely...
		If you're going more than a couple of minutes listening to one of these recordings back, with listening on your ear on edge, it becomes fatiguing after a while to try and maintain your concentration and try to pick out.
		I admit it, I have a short attention span.
		After a couple of minutes, I'm getting bored.
		I'm thinking about what am I going to have for dinner?
		My mind starts to wander.
		So for those of us who are ADD, I suppose listening to shorter samples like this is easier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, fine.
		Let's try another, yet another.
		Are these all at the antique store?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Those so far, those last two were at the antique shop.
		This one, quite simply, is nothing more than creepy, cackling female laughter that you'll hear.
		And you want to talk.
		We were mentioning a little while ago, you had said how the EDPs come through as breathy, whispery voices.
		And people ask, do you ever get actual vocalizations of an actual voice?
		We do.
		It's much more rare, but it does happen.
		This is an example of a vocalization.
		You're going to hear a very, very hearty female laughter coming through on this recording.
		So go ahead and queue it up here.
unidentified		18 at 11.05 p.m.
		standing outside 432 Abercorn.
		Who wants to sleep?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That, you know, that sounded, what did that sound like?
		Kind of an interesting kind of laugh, actually.
		Go ahead, do it again, please.
		I'm not getting it.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not getting Patrick now either.
		Hello, Patrick.
		Oh, my goodness.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is an interesting little sign that says there's trouble with this call.
		Skype is something very quickly.
		He just totally went away.
		And I mean, totally went away.
		Let's see what we've got here.
		I think everything is okay on this end.
		Yes, it is.
		So what do we do?
		Let's end this call and call him back.
		This time I'll call Patrick and we'll see if we have any better luck.
		So that was kind of a strange laugh.
		I wanted to hear it again, and I'm sure I will.
		And it's indicating there's a problem with the internet connection between myself and Patrick.
		So it looks like Patrick may be offline.
		That's what I'm getting at the moment.
		He's not trying to call me back.
		Well, yes, he is.
		Let's give it a shot.
		All right, Patrick, it seems you went away there.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I'm back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Welcome back.
		Did you hit the wrong button or did you?
		Cheap wine.
		All right, let's hear that laugh again.
		Let's try it again.
		Maybe the laugh did it.
		Oh, I know.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		Maybe.
		Maybe.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It almost sounds to me like a false laugh.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		False laugh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a false laugh.
		I don't know.
		If I heard somebody laugh like that, I'd question their sanity.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Right, indeed.
		It sounds like it's forced.
		Forced laughter, like they're not playing with a full deck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The first thing I'm going to note right now is that your EVPs have a distinctly different...
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I do not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because I'm getting an echo.
		An echo.
		Big echo.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Are you still getting an echo?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am.
unidentified		Uh-oh.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Is that any better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So far so good.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's better.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I'm not sure what that was all about.
		I was going to note that your EVPs have a very distinctly different quality than the EVPs recorded by the other group that I have on the show.
		They're just different.
		That's all there is.
		Not bad, not wrong, just different.
		And They all have a sort of a, I can't quite put my finger on it.
		Somebody will as we hear them.
		I don't know if they're all the same or if we'll hear a different quality of stuff as we go on.
		But that laugh was weird.
		Let's move on and tell me where you got this one.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		This next one that I'm going to bring up here, this one was recorded in a cemetery.
		It was actually recorded in a cemetery.
		This one dates back a few years.
		I'm dipping into my old catalog here, as it were, for this one.
		This one came back, this was probably recorded a good 10 years ago in a cemetery in Gwinnett County, Georgia.
		And in this, walking through the cemetery was about 11 o'clock in the morning.
		Not at night, 11 o'clock in the morning.
		And in this, we were constantly, we were battling fire ants.
		There were fire ant mounds everywhere throughout the cemetery.
		And you hear me in this recording, I say, oh, look, there's more fire ant mounds.
		And you'll hear a female voice say, be nice.
unidentified		Be nice?
		All right.
		Row more fire ant mound feminine.
		Throw more fire ant mound freeman.
		Row more fire ant valen semen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, oh, that was very, very clear.
		And I'm going to have you do it one more time, and then we're going to go to break.
		Play that again, please.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		Row more fire amp valon semen.
		Throw more fire amp valon semen.
		Row more fire amp valon semen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really something.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is an amazing guy, Patrick Burns.
		And that came so fast.
		Did you notice how quickly that came?
		It wasn't a response.
		It was a catch, but not a response.
		Nothing to do, in my opinion, with what he said.
unidentified		Boy, that came fast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Midnight in the desert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Mark Bell.
unidentified		Yeah.
		why I'm easy I'm Easy life tomorrow.
		No call screening.
		No waiting on hold.
		No requirement to kiss Art's ring.
		Just good talk.
		Join Art by calling 1-952-225-5278.
		That's 1-952-Call Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so Elizabeth says, I'm listening intently and cannot hear these EVPs.
		I think that Patrick needs to change his equipment.
		The GIS group provided very clear EVPs.
		These are much more difficult to hear.
		I disagree, Elizabeth.
		I hear them just fine.
		Now, if you're listening on a phone or an iPad or something like that, I would say get some headphones.
		You need headphones.
		But I am hearing the EVPs just fine.
		And I heard that be nice very, very clearly.
		So let's try another and see how we hear it.
		Patrick?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fire away.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		This one, we're dipping into my old catalog here.
		Some of these recordings predate my tenure on Haunting Evidence.
		This is another one.
		It was conducted at a restaurant called Anthony's Fine Dining in Atlanta.
		And you're going to hear a voice in this recording that says, Oh, my God.
unidentified		Oh, my God.
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if Elizabeth could hear that.
		Do that one more time for me, please.
		And remember, turn that pot down right away when you're done.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		You got it.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now I'm not getting anything.
unidentified		There it is.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Good.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Okay, try it again.
unidentified		Get you.
unidentified		Get you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, okay.
		No problem hearing that at all.
		I hope Elizabeth heard it.
		Some people are saying they're having difficulty, and I don't know why, because at my point, it's very, very clear, even though it's sort of a hushed version of, oh my God, it nevertheless is very clear to me.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think you're also right.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		If people are listening on a, it has to do with their playback hardware.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling people constantly, I mean, we come to them in extreme fidelity, in stereo, in fact.
		If what we're sending is stereo, they'll get it that way.
		It's really, really, really good fidelity.
		But if it's coming out of a little teeny speaker, not so good, that's why I keep urging everybody, get some earbuds and plug them into your whatever.
		And it'll be very clear, particularly for this kind of thing.
		So, you know, there is a lot in the hardware.
		I'm sure you know that, Patrick, having worked with it all the time.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, there is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it's just your damn BlackBerry.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Maybe so.
		I tell people, you know, I say when they come on my tour, I say, you know, if you want copies of these files, email me.
		I'll send them to you and listen to them with headphones on.
		A lot of times when you put headphones on, you'll hear other stuff in there that we couldn't make out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, I know.
		All right.
		Let's keep going or we'll have no time for calls.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		This one was also recorded at that same restaurant in Atlanta, Anthony's Fine Dining.
		We caught a series of EVPs of what sounded like cats.
		Cats inside the restaurant.
		Obviously, it's a restaurant.
		There shouldn't be any animals running around inside the restaurant.
		There's no crawl space.
		There's no basement where cats could have slipped in underneath, and we accidentally recorded them.
		This one sounds like cats getting into a fight, right?
		So go ahead and listen to this one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so I'm not so sure I like that one at all.
unidentified		Ooh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was that really cats, do you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or could that have been something more?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, we had other recordings.
		We had other recordings where you could hear cats meowing on there.
		So we've also...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hit us with it one more time, please.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One more time.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be my most unfavorite so far, which really means my favorite.
		That's scary.
		I don't know what that sound is.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Also, there's an EVP.
		There's an actual voice just before the cat ran.
		It says, go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It says, go?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		It says, go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Try it again, then.
unidentified		Okay.
		Oh.
		You're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're right.
		It says go.
		Oh, my God.
		I don't like that one.
unidentified		That one is creepy.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		One of the most active locations in Atlanta, Georgia.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I've done investigations there countless times, and we've always gotten weird, weird stuff there.
unidentified		Weird stuff.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		It's an old, old plantation house from Washington, Georgia that was built there brick by brick back in the 1960s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
		That one did it to me.
		The earlier ones were okay, but that one, I'm worried that it wasn't a cat.
		And clearly, there was something else, another voice involved just prior, immediately prior to whatever it was.
unidentified		Okay.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		This one, this one's fresh off the old BlackBerry.
		This was recorded on the 1st of August this year on my tour.
		And we've got something calling me out by name.
unidentified		Give me a listen here.
unidentified		The 1st of August, 2015, Calhoun Square overlooking 432 Apricorn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Patrick, that called out very quickly.
		That was very fast.
		Not the way a person would say the name, Patrick, at all.
		Hit us with that again, please.
		Listen how quick it is.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I loop it three times.
		It didn't say my name three times.
		I looped it.
unidentified		First of all, it gets to 2015 Calhoun Square overlooking 432 Apricorn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's weird.
		Okay.
		When you find something like that, which personally calls your name, how does that make you feel?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		It scares the hell out of me, to be perfectly honest.
		And it happens pretty consistently, too.
		I've had my name called out.
		I can't even begin to count the number of times.
		In the beginning, it was much more disturbing.
		It phases me less, but it doesn't surprise me any less, if that makes any sense.
		But yeah, people on my tour that come with and they all of a sudden they hear something calling me out by name.
		That really has a tendency to rattle people a little bit, rattle their chains, and they're not even the ones that are being called out by name.
		You can see a look of concern in their face when something like that happens.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, I'm getting a lot of balance back now.
		People are saying, look, I'm on an Android phone.
		I hear them just great, listening loud and clear on my ancient iPad, and so forth and so on.
		So it was just Elizabeth that was having the problem, I guess.
		Everybody else seems to be hearing them clearly.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Ghost in the machine, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ghost in the machine, yeah.
		Okay, we can squeeze one more in.
		Let's do it.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		This one, another name comes through.
		This was in Calhoun Square as well, I believe.
		This goes back a couple of months ago, and you'll hear the name Chuck being called out.
		Let me stop.
		Let me bring up that other.
		I'm sorry.
unidentified		20.
		20.
		If Amy's not here, who's here?
		Chuck.
		Truck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I hear something beyond Chuck, kind of almost like Chuck E or Chuck something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm hearing something at the end of it.
unidentified		Yeah?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Let me play it again.
unidentified		20.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you hear anything on the end of that?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I'm not.
		But I'm not saying there's nothing in there.
		I'm not saying there's nothing there at the end.
		What do you think you're hearing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It almost sounds like Chuck E or something like that.
		I can't quite put my finger on it, but more than Chuck, unless it's awfully short, there's something at the end of what sounds like the name Chuck.
		Now, I could be all wet.
		We'll see what the people have to say who are listening to this.
		But right now, we're going to take a break.
		You're listening to Midnight in the Desert.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		Watch the sea, dig in the dancing sea.
		The clock strikes 12, and Midnight in the Desert is pounding Package Your Way on the Dark Matter Digital Network.
		To call the show, please direct your finger to hits the dial.
		1-952-225-5278.
		That's 1-952.
		Call Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a number, but don't call yet.
		Hold off.
		We've got more of these to do.
		And Patrick, I know you're listening.
		Go back and queue up the catfight again.
		I got so much comment on that.
		And I agree with these people.
unidentified		Cindy says that wasn't a cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard all kinds of catbites, and I've never heard that sound.
		Rick in Honolulu says cats sound a bit demonic, and I also agree with that.
		And many comments on the audio.
		Listen to me very carefully when I say you need earbuds.
		Trust me on this.
		Call Bob Crane.
		I don't know how much they are now, $9.95 or whatever they are.
		Get the earbuds and listen to it that way.
		Because coming out of a little phone speaker or an iPad or something like that, it's not going to do justice to what you're trying to hear.
		But in actual terms of fidelity that we're sending to you, it is superb.
		It is above average.
		It's way better than you're going to hear generally on radio.
		So do as I ask and get earbuds.
		If not, Bob Crane's, then somebody's, please.
		You'll see the gigantic difference.
		All right.
		Back to Patrick.
		I want to hear the cat thing again.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Here it comes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that is not good.
		Whatever that is, it's not good.
		And I like it and don't like it.
		I like it because it scares me and don't like it because it scares me.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		It scares you.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, either way, I guess.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Onward we go.
		And listen to me, everybody.
		Please listen to me.
		This is something you can do.
		Don't believe it.
		Fine.
		Do it yourself.
		Most people now have an Android, an Apple, or God help us.
		Same thing Patrick has.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		That's not my phone, by the way.
		I'm not stuck on an Android.
		I hold on to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a glorified audio recorder.
		No, you said Android.
		You meant Blackberry.
		So you actually have an Android as well?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I do have an Android, yes.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I haven't used this phone as my phone in probably five or six years, but I hold on to it as a glorified audio recorder because of what I get on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, plus it's an antique, so it probably gets antique voices better.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
		Maybe sorry.
		All right.
		Let's move on to the next one.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		Let's see.
		In the vein of the other recording that we had that said Chuck, this is kind of interesting.
		I was working with a device called the Ovalis, and the Ovolus picks up the same name, Chuck.
		I'd like to play this real quick.
unidentified		Please make your presence known to us.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Try it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that was very clear.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't know how you could miss that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even on a poor speaker, how could you miss that?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		And that is not the Ovilus.
		It's very monotone, very, very electronic sounding.
		But that one's just really, really good.
unidentified		Please make your presence known to us.
unidentified		Shot!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy, that one is really, really, really good and clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it means good, but clear anyway.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you ever...
		Let me ask.
		Do you ever get interactive comments?
		Have you ever...
		They actually say something and they get a response that is meaningful.
		You know, it continues or projects the conversation or whatever.
		In other words, it actually is relative to what's being said.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
		I mean, let me look through my collection here if I have anything.
		Oh, this next one coming up is a perfect lead-in to that.
		And this goes into, you know, you're talking about stuff creeping you out, about it being possibly demonic.
		This recording might creep you out.
		I ask, I'm standing outside again, that house on Calhoun Square.
		I say, is there evil in this house?
		And you'll hear a response that says, every day.
		And then I go on, I ask later on in the recording.
		After that, I say, why does nobody live in this house?
		And the voice says, evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Let's hear it.
		Is there evil in this house?
		Why doesn't anybody live in the house?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I had to apply some noise reduction to that because there is a lot of background noise in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was hard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The first part of that was pretty hard for me.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Let me try it again here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, hit it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And tell me again what it says, please, in the beginning.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		The first one I asked out loud, I say, is there evil in this house?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		And the response that seems to come through says every day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		that's what I want to listen for every day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, go ahead.
unidentified		Yeah.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let me cue that up here.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I'll loop that section.
unidentified		Got it, got it.
unidentified		Why doesn't anybody live in the house?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good.
		Yes, yes, yes, yes.
		I got it.
		Evil, evil, evil.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		So that ties into, you know, do you ever get that call and response that, you know, ask a question, get a response.
		Why doesn't anybody live in the house?
		Evil.
		I just told you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, that was lucky.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really lucky.
		All right.
		Would you tell people to, they can do this?
		When people hear this, they think, oh, come on, made up.
		No, it's not.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		No, it isn't.
		It isn't.
		As a true skeptic, I have no rational explanation for where these voices are coming from.
		I understand what pareidolia is, you know, pattern recognition where you'll make out back masking on old rock albums.
		You would hear what you want to hear in amongst the noise.
		I think some of these responses come back, qualify as not pareidolia.
		We clearly have human voices, vocalizations that are going on in some of these recordings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, to be fair, we are telling people what they're going to hear.
		But what we're doing is saving you a lot of time.
		Again, with the other EVP group, they sit around sometimes for hours arguing about what was said before they decide on what was said.
		So, you know, we're doing a radio show here.
		We're trying to save you all a little bit of time.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I have said that many times in the past, Art, EVP many times is in the ear of the beholder.
		It's really funny is, you know, one person will hear one thing and then somebody else hears something.
		And I was actually in a room of skeptics on a panel at DragonCon convention in Atlanta several years ago, and people were going back and forth.
		I was full of a room of skeptics, and nobody could agree upon what my EVPs were saying.
		I hear this, I hear that, I hear that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		And I said, aha.
		But you all agree that it sounds like a human voice.
		And everybody sort of looked around the room at one another and had to nod.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Effectively, they nodded.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		They were like, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		And I understand that this is a real phenomenon.
		And if you want to know yourself, folks, most of you have got iPhones, Androids, even BlackBerries, whatever.
		So go out and try it yourself.
		And then you'll be a believer.
		And until then, you'll probably sit there and scoff.
		Okay, let's move on.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, on that note, I just wanted to tell people, there are, of course, there's a plethora of voice note applications for doing audio recordings on your device.
		I tell people you might have to experiment with several apps until you find one that works.
		You absolutely do not want anything that has noise reduction.
		A lot of these apps will zero out if there's no spoken word going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let me ask you for a recommendation.
		A lot of people want to know.
		Do you know of a good app?
unidentified		Blackberry Curve from 2009, actually.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I haven't really worked as much on my Android or my phone, my current phone, as the BlackBerry because the BlackBerry just works for me, man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I hear you.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to lay off the BlackBerry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, somebody out there, give me the name of a really good app, and what are the qualities you say?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I say you don't want anything that has noise reduction or attenuates or zeroes out when there's no spoken word going because EDP, as we've just demonstrated, is very often at a lower fidelity, lower amplitude.
		And if it's not loud enough to exceed that record threshold, you'll miss it.
		So you want something where you're always going to hear background noise.
		You're always going to hear sounds in the background going on.
		You don't want anything that incorporates any sort of noise reduction.
		You can employ, incorporate noise reduction later on in your digital audio workstation software.
		But you don't want anything recording with noise reduction because a lot of times that noise reduction will filter out the EVPs coming through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Somebody out there, give me the name of a good app, please.
		You know, send it through the wormhole, whatever.
		Larry asks, have you ever fled a paranormal situation because you were afraid?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, actually, I have.
		When I've been by myself, you know, I don't, as a general rule of thumb, investigate by myself because I'll be the first to admit it.
		This stuff does spook me out.
		It does scare me.
		But also, I think from an evidence-gathering perspective, you've got to have at least one other person with you.
		Because if you're by yourself and you're having, and something happens and you're already amped up, expecting something to happen, that's a ripe environment for your subconscious mind to run away with itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		All of a sudden, everything you hear, every bump is a ghost.
		Every bump in the night is a ghost.
		So you want that reality check, if you will, there in the form of another person present to confirm or deny what's going on.
		So I've had some experiences where I've been by myself and I've gotten the hell out of there as fast as I could.
		Indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For example?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Well, for example, would be when I was in the bar, you know, the story I told you back when I was in Chicago, when I had my first real paranormal encounter, and I saw that reflection in the mirror, it wasn't just that.
		I always felt like I was being watched there.
		And when I had to turn out the lights to go back upstairs, the lights were all the way at one end of the bar, and the door leading up to our stairwell was on the other side of the bar.
		So I had to walk through the dark in this bar, and I would always stare straight down at the floor as I walked along, so I didn't have to look around and see anything around me.
		I felt like there was something there watching me constantly.
		And when I saw the reflection in the mirror, I got the heck out of there as Quickly as I could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's move on to the next.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		All right.
		This one, you'll hear a voice in it that says, you and Amy.
		And remember, I've said that the name Amy has come up at this location.
		This is again Calhoun Square in Savannah here.
		Whoops.
		I need to pop that other thing up.
		Yeah.
		Okay.
		All right.
		Here it goes.
unidentified		You've indicated there's evil in this house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You and Amy.
		Okay, that came through quite well.
		You and Amy.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		You and Amy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not as easy to hear as some of them, but nevertheless, I could make out you and Amy.
		Let's do that one more time for everybody.
		Sure.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the first recording it plays, that's the original with no noise reduction.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		The second, when it loops through, I actually applied some noise reduction to help it come through a little bit better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good.
unidentified		Okay.
		You've indicated there's evil in this house.
		Secret.
		you've indicated there's evil in this house.
		I'm afraid of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that helped a great deal, actually.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But do you realize, I mean, evil in the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this voice just told you the evil was you and Amy.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I've never been in the house.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I've never been in the house.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was somebody named Amy with you?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		There is a voice, a name comes through constantly for me in this location, a spirit that I call Amy.
		I got the name, came through on my Ovilus device one night, Amy.
		And then I got EVP with the name Amy coming through.
		Sometimes it's a male voice that says it.
		And this is unusual art because we're in a historic district.
		We're assuming that all the ghosts in this area are old.
		Amy would not have been a name that women would have gone by back in the 1800s.
		So we're assuming, we're working under the construct that these must be old ghosts.
		But people have lived in this area since the 1730s.
		There are residential properties all over.
		Who knows if this is a spirit of somebody who passed away there?
		Who knows when this individual passed away?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		Very true.
		Somebody was mentioning how many people have died in the modern history of the world, and it's billions and billions and billions of people.
		So not everybody, obviously, remains around, or all you'd get is a crowd of voices, even with MVPs.
		I wonder what qualifies somebody to remain.
		Many people believe that violent death does that.
		Many believe that unrequited love does that.
		I'm sure those are the same things you run into, right?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		And then there are also the ideas that maybe somebody sticks around.
		They don't even realize that they're dead.
		Their death may have happened so suddenly that they just believe that they're injured.
		They got hit really bad and they're kind of walking around in this ethereal days and they don't realize that they've passed on.
		There are, of course, many, many different ideas, different philosophies and schools of thought where that's concerned.
		And of course, I believe all of them are a possibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we have time for another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let us.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's progress on here then.
		That was you and Amy.
		This one, interesting.
		This one came across.
		This is my wife's name comes through on this recording.
		I don't even think she's heard this one yet.
		I discovered this this afternoon working with your producer when we were kind of prepping for the show here.
unidentified		Oh, you mean you had not heard this earlier?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		My wife has not heard this one.
		Her name comes through.
		She was present with me on this tour this evening, and you'll hear a male voice say, Marley.
unidentified		We're on the south side of 432 Evercorn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do hear it.
		I hear Marley.
		It's not really loud, but it is there.
		It is there.
		Yeah.
		I wonder how your wife reacts to hearing her name in one.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she's listening in on the show, on the stream, in the other room.
		I'm sure when it catches up with her and she's actually hearing that, she's probably going to be a little put off by it.
		I just tried to amplify it a little bit.
		Let's see if this helps any.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Marley, it seems pretty clear to me.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		She was with me on the tour that night.
		So that comes through.
		Not only does my voice, my name come through, hers does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, my goodness.
		Is there any advice that you hand out to people?
		I mean, for example, do you feel that it is beneficial to go to places like cemeteries?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I've gotten some really good responses in cemeteries.
		I know some people claim that cemeteries aren't haunted.
		Why would a cemetery be haunted?
		But this dates back to what I was saying earlier.
		We're materialistic Beings, and there is no more material possession to us in the world than our body.
		It's the one thing, really, that nobody can take away from you.
		You can have a material possession such as a car or a piece of jewelry.
		You can be parted with that.
		Your body is part of you.
		And say you're holding on, you're afraid to cross over.
		Your body might be the last bastion of your material connection to this planet.
		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold tight.
		We're going to break here.
		And when we come back, more EVPs and your questions as well.
unidentified		We'll see you next time.
		Want to take a ride from the high desert and the great American Southwest.
		This is Midnight in the Desert, exclusively on the Dark Matter Digital Network.
		To call the show, dial 1-952-CAL ART.
		That's 1-952-225-5278.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Thank you, wormhole.
		We have a response here.
		Anthony says, an interesting app for Android is Ghost Radar Connect.
		Great for starting off.
		And guess what?
		Anthony, I checked, and Ghost Radar Connect is also available on, not that I'm doing ads for people's apps because it does cost, boy, it looks interesting, though.
		We've got it on Apple as well.
		Ghost Radar Connect.
		I am going to buy it right now.
		There.
		I didn't even have to put in my demo.
		Oh, yes, I do.
		Well, I'll buy it here in a moment.
		Welcome back, Patrick.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there is one, by the way, it's called Ghost Radar Connect.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, have you got it in there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you are?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		And I've got a bit of an echo going on here.
		You do?
		Yeah.
		Let's see.
		Does that help?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not hearing it here.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Okay, weird.
		Maybe it's on my end.
		It seems to be better now.
		Yeah, I've seen the ghost radar for many years, and it does have a spirit box function in it where it will randomly say words, much like an Ovalis or a PX device will.
		It also has a radar sweep.
		It looks like a traditional radar screen.
		And every couple of minutes, a little blip will appear on the radar.
		And of course, I tell people, you know, there's no radar sweep going on on this device.
		I don't think there's any capability that it could know where any sort of magnetic disturbance or anomaly is occurring.
		Certainly, it wouldn't be able to range how far away that is from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, here on Apple, it's got four and a half stars.
		It looks pretty good to me.
		So ghost radar connect.
		And yeah, I'm hearing a little bit of echo too.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do we still have that turned up?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Didn't change my settings here, so I don't know what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I'm pulling this pot down a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, let us proceed with the next one.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Let me see on our list here.
		This is a very interesting recording.
		This was made outside Savannah's Mercer Williams house.
		And Mercer House, if any of your listeners are fans of the book and or movie Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil, Mercer House is where that story was set.
		The house was owned by an antiques dealer and house restorationist named Jim Williams, who killed his gay lover in a quarrel back in 1981.
		But this house is one of these serial magnets for tragedy that I refer to.
		This is a location where over generations a series of tragic deaths have occurred within the house.
		And while the house sat abandoned for many years, some local youth broke in in the late 1960s.
		They made their way up to the roof of the house where they were trying to allegedly capture a pigeon, was their official cause of death, reason of being up there.
		One of the boys, one of the three boys who was up there, fell to his death from the roof of the house.
		And people have suggested that he may have levitated off the roof of the house.
		There are all sorts of rumors here in town about what really happened to Tommy Downs that day.
		But you'll hear me talk out loud.
		And I say out loud to Tommy, I say, Tommy, and you will hear the PX device playing underneath.
		It says, high, and then it says fall, which is interesting because Tommy fell from a height of 40 feet, 40 plus feet.
		And then I go on, Tommy, do you have a message for us?
		And you'll hear a very, very breathy, whispery voice at the end of the recording say, don't drink.
		Okay, well, don't drink.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before you do this, the PX device, remind me again, please, what is that?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		It's a spirit box.
		It's a device.
		The inventor of it is a gentleman by the name of Bill Chappell.
		And it takes environmental variables such as the Earth's magnetic field, temperature fluctuations.
		It combines them all together and it turns it into a spoken word, basically.
		And the theory of operation is that spirit might somehow be able to manipulate either the environment or possibly the circuitry of the device itself to make it say certain words.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's an interesting device.
		So I'll go ahead and play this for you here.
unidentified		All right.
		Our first recording outside the Mercer House.
		It's 10.14 p.m., March 28, 2015.
		Tommy?
		Tommy?
		Tommy, do you have a message for us?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I hear it.
		It's not easy to hear.
		It comes at the very end of all that.
		When you ask about the message, whether there is a message for us, it says don't drink.
		It's not easy to hear.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		It's not the best EVP I have, but I think it's not one of the better ones, but certainly...
unidentified		...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, got it.
		Don't drink.
		Good advice, anyway.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		But odd, you know, coming from an 11-year-old boy, so I've kind of speculated that there might have been something else that occurred that day.
		The boys who were up there, their official reasoning that they told the police that they were up there was that they were allegedly trying to capture a pigeon.
		And I find that odd to be there, you know.
		So I've kind of speculated, I wonder if somebody swiped a bottle of booze out of dad's liquor cabinet, rounded up a couple of his buddies, and they hightailed it up to the roof of this abandoned house where they could, you know, tip the bottle without being under the watch fly of mom and dad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, again, let us move on so we have time for questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of times people want you to go back and play something again because they think they heard something else.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Sure, absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		So let me bring up this one.
		This one is a little faint.
		It might be a little harder to hear.
		We definitely saved the better recordings for the beginning of the program here.
		But I think you're going to hear this female voice in here.
		There's somebody else talking underneath.
		You will hear another tour guide talking in the background.
		But you'll hear a vocalization of a female voice in this, I think, if you listen carefully, of a female voice saying, I want to sleep.
		Let's give it a listen here.
unidentified		Can you tell us your name, please?
unidentified		Can you tell us your name, please?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		There is a lot of contamination in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe, but I heard it.
		I had no problem hearing it.
		Really?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Good, good.
		Good.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a halting voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to sleep like that.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead, try it again.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		That's why I hear it as well.
unidentified		Okay.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		bring it up here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The one thing that you probably would think that wouldn't be needed on the other side, huh?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		Maybe she means she wants to, you know, eternal sleep, eternal rest.
		She wants to be at rest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, you're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could be that.
unidentified		Yeah.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rather not think of that, but yes, you're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think we have one more, and then we'll do a break, and we'll ask the audience what they want to ask.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Okay.
		So this one, I actually filmed with a Ukrainian film crew here in Savannah back in June.
		It was for a reality TV program, not a paranormal-based show, but they wanted a ghost tour.
		They wanted to go with a ghost hunter around Savannah, so I took them to a location called the Sorrel Weed House here in Savannah.
		And it was made famous on several of the ghost shows out there.
		But this was actually the first time that I had ever been inside the house.
		And we got, when I was recording this, the camera was literally inches away from my face.
		They were trying to get an extreme close-up on my face.
		And in the recording, hopefully it'll come across clear enough for your listeners and for you here.
		You'll hear a voice say, go away, camera.
		Go away, camera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's listen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go away, Chuck.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		You think it says, go away, Chuck?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Let's hear it.
unidentified		Oh.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		You're absolutely right.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		You're absolutely right.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go away, Chuck.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Go away, Chuck.
		Like I said earlier, EDP is many times in the ear of the beholder.
		But I definitely, I hear what you're saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was not even a close call to me.
unidentified		Yeah, I hear Chuck again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chuck is not real close to camera.
unidentified		Go.
		Yeah.
		Cully.
		Chop.
		Cully.
		Chop.
		Cully.
		Chop.
		Ha, ha, ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you get camera out of that?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		It's clipped off.
		I had to increase the volume on it a little bit and raising the volume.
		That also raises the noise floor.
		So it's mixed in amongst all the background noise.
		When I heard it at its original amplitude before I applied amplification to it, it sounded more like camera.
		Very quickly, though, camera.
		Like that.
		But I agree with you.
		I think this is cool weight shuck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't even think that's a close call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll see what the audience thinks.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we'll see what they think.
		Like I said, this is the thing about EVP is sometimes people will point out something and say, I hear this.
		And you go back and listen, and you totally hear something completely different.
		Okay, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's pause here.
		We're going to open the phone lines.
		So if you have questions about any of the past ones, you want them repeated, that's fine.
		If you have any comments, positive, negative, that's fine.
		Here are the phone numbers.
		The public line is area code 952-225-5278.
		I'm going to put a 1 in front of that.
		So it's 1-952-225-5278.
		If you're calling otherwise, of course, we are available on Skype.
		If you're in North America, M-I-T-D 5-1, M-I-T-D-51.
		Outside, rest of the world, M-I-T-D-5-5.
		That's midnight in the desert, M-I-T-D55.
		Just go to the little plus sign in Skype, add us as a contact, and then you will find us in your contact list and you can call us.
		So, all that said, let's take a break right here and we'll come back with Patrick Burns and your questions, your observations, whatever it is you want to say.
unidentified		That's what we're here for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Midnight in the Desert, exploring some pretty unusual areas, some of them clearly beyond.
unidentified		Midnight in the Desert The heart of the city's dream is leading.
		The heart of the city's dream is leading.
		Remember, when calling midnight in the desert, let the phone ring until answered.
		These calls are unscreened for your listening pleasure.
		Call 1-952-CALLARTS.
		That's 1-952-225-5278.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, my guest is Patrick Burns.
		He is a ghost hunter, paranormal investigator.
		And I did get that app, by the way.
		I went and got that app.
		So I now have on my phone GR Connect.
		Ghost radar.
		I presume it records audio as well as video.
		Is that correct, Patrick?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I have not worked with the new version of that app.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		So I'm going to plead ignorance on that.
unidentified		No problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll find out.
		In the meantime, let's rock and roll here.
		Let's go to Marcy on Skype first.
		Hi, Marcy.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, Marcy?
unidentified		I'm in Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, cool.
		I never ask people anymore where they are, and I'm always curious.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		And I'd like to give a shout out to Belgab.
		Hi, guys.
		I was going to tell a ghost story, but I think you would rather me do that Friday.
		It's pretty good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it?
unidentified		Yes.
		If you want to wait, that's fine.
		I'll call Friday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a question for Patrick?
unidentified		Well, yes, I really apologize, Patrick, but I just, I don't know whether it's the equipment, but I'm just not feeling it.
unidentified		Is there anything you can say that might change my mind or convince me that what I'm hearing is really in there?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		So you're not hearing any voices at all?
unidentified		Oh, I'm hearing the voices.
		It just there's very little variance to them.
		It sounds very much like birds chirping.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not hearing that.
		Yeah.
		To be fair, Marcy, I'm not hearing that.
		Birds chirping?
unidentified		Well, earlier it sounded like it might have been the audio itself.
unidentified		It sounded like a lot of water in the background.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And the voices were kind of squeaky.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Those are, when you're hearing that trickling sound, those are called artifacts.
		When you apply noise reduction to an audio file to clean it up, to get rid of some of that background hiss, it's not 100% effective.
		And you will have remnants that remain that are called artifacts.
		It doesn't remove all the voice, and it can very, very frequently sound like water running, or it'll sound like wind chimes, or, like you said, birds chirping.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Marcy, what are you listening on?
unidentified		I'm listening on a headset.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you really should be hearing it then.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because I sure did.
unidentified		Anyway, I can hear the voices, but the background noise is really disruptive.
		And it just, I should listen longer.
		I'm just not buying it.
		This is the first time I've heard you, so I'll give it a chance.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		You're expecting the voices that show up on these recordings to be crystal clear fidelity, and that's not the nature of EVP.
		These voices are very often buried in the background noise.
		You've heard the term white noise.
		That's where these voices occur.
		And I'm not here to convince you one way or the other.
		I invite people to make their own interpretation, whether or not they believe is entirely up to them.
		Come to Savannah, come on my tour, and I'll show you real time in the field how we collect these.
unidentified		Well, there you go.
unidentified		Gonna give me a ticket?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay, well, thank you so much, and Art, you have a good evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Marcy, thank you.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		My wife handed me this note earlier.
		She said, make it clear the BlackBerry isn't a working phone, only using it as a recorder.
		People think it's your phone.
		No, I want to clarify that.
		This used to be my phone back in 2009.
		I don't even have the radio turned on on this thing.
		I couldn't even call 911 if I wanted to.
		It is a glorified audio recorder and nothing more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't need to apologize for your button.
		I was just having fun.
		I couldn't help it.
unidentified		I know.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I'm not talking about you, Arch.
		I guess other people online, she's reading in the comments online because if people think this is my real phone, it's not.
		Not anymore.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Norman, Oklahoma, maybe.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Arch.
		Howdy.
		Oh, my gosh, something just scared me.
		I had this ice in this glass, and you know how ice melts and then it sounds sort of like firewood when it shifts?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I do.
unidentified		Well, if you're thinking about ghosts and that happens, you jump a little.
		Okay.
		I had several comments.
		I'm going to try to do it really fast.
		I really am proud that you got that chuck, that second, that was the camera chuck, you know?
		Yes, yeah.
		That was real clear to me, too, and I was like, what's wrong with my ears?
		I hear chuck.
		I don't hear any camera thing.
		But then when you play it again, I could hear that real fast, real soft before the chuck.
		There is a thing.
		Oh.
		I heard it.
		All right, well, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
		Oh, sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cue it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to hear this.
unidentified		So there's a camera before the yeah, right between.
		All right, all right.
		Hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to hear it.
unidentified		Let's listen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that I hear it.
unidentified		No, it might be because I'm on the phone and it's louder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
unidentified		Because I was listening on those speakers before.
		Right.
		And it's different on the phone.
		It's louder.
		That could be why.
		But I did hear it.
		And I also heard when you said there was an E, like Chuck E earlier.
		That I heard.
		I heard Chuck Hee.
		Oh, he.
		Yeah, like they were laughing, like it was funny.
		Like kids might, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And also, I really, I can hear your stuff just fine.
		Right.
		And I wanted to say, some of them remind me of my parakeets when they talked.
		The sound of it.
		Their voices.
		They're kind of whispery and kind of, you know, parakeetish.
		But those really reminded me of my parakeets' voices.
		And it was kind of cool because I miss those parakeets much more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is interesting, isn't it, that some people seem to be having a hard time, but others, like you, not a hard time at all.
unidentified		I wonder the hearing range people have, you know, the hearing frequency range?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It has a lot to do with it, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, so some people are tuned into different...
		You know, it's not like my ears are better.
		I'm not saying that.
		I'm just saying I focus in on like you work with your eyes.
		Yep, more fine-tuned.
		Sure, sure.
		I really love to do that.
		I love to hear.
		And I got one, I got one in my whole life, one of these EVPs.
		After I heard your show, and I was just in my room messing around, you know, trying to get sleepy, I was just recording nothing, and I heard, extinguish your device, please.
		Yeah, right.
		I did.
		And it was so, so clear.
		So I thought, wow, they were listening to art.
		They were listening, and they were realistic and listening good, too, because they thought I should extinguish my device.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Long after I'm gone, all of you better be listening for extinguish your device.
unidentified		Well, it's going to be there forever because somebody's floating around that doesn't want to go.
		You know, like, it was hilarious because at first I thought I was imagining it, and then I thought, I put the headphones on, and I thought, no, that can't, that's not.
		And you know how your phone will die?
		Like, you have to get a new one?
		I was going to send it to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		My phone died.
unidentified		And you know how they just die one day and you can't bring them back to life and you have to go to the store and get a new one and you lose all your stuff and you didn't upload it anywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's your fault.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now we have the cloud.
unidentified		But it was kind of funny.
unidentified		The ghost was in there and then the phone died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ghost in the phone.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Well, listen, huh?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got to run.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you, Arch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Extinguish your device.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		That's new speak for put out your e-cigarette, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not quite.
		Do this phone long enough.
		You'll know exactly what it is.
		Sassy Abby somewhere on Skype.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Abby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Abby.
unidentified		I was listening to your show, and I just have a question.
		Okay.
		I don't believe in ghosts at all.
		Okay.
		Okay.
		Sure.
		But when I hear those voices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you what?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I get so.
unidentified		When I hear those voices, I get so scared that I almost can't breathe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you don't believe in ghosts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you don't believe in ghosts, right?
unidentified		Yes.
		But I get chilled and I shake and I can't move and I'm like, do you have gotten that line?
		And I'm not a fearful person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My goodness.
unidentified		I don't understand it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe you need to re-examine what you really believe, Sassy.
unidentified		But I don't believe in ghosts.
		I don't think it doesn't make any sense to me.
		Why would there be ghosts?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would there be ghosts?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that what you're asking?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Why wouldn't there be?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, better question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why wouldn't there be is right.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Law of conservation states that energy is neither created nor destroyed, only converted into another form.
		Something must survive physical death when we die.
		The only question is, does it retain its intellect, its intelligence, its personality?
		That something has to survive physical death.
		That energy does not just simply cease to exist.
unidentified		Yeah, but we are what our brain makes us, and the brain is dead.
unidentified		So what I don't, I don't see how there would be any person left.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Abby, do you think that there is any life or any existence, let me put it that way, after death?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think it's like a light bulb just getting turned off?
unidentified		Yeah.
		It's just so tough.
		I mean, we don't remember before we're born because we weren't here.
		And I think it's the same.
		You die, and it's just like before you were born.
		So why do these voices scare me like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do they scare you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because you know somewhere deep down, Abby, that you could be wrong.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		But then that should be a good thing, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Depends on your point of view and how you've led your life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where you think you're going.
unidentified		Well, I mean, I don't think anybody really just wants to stop existing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you been Abby?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you been good?
unidentified		No, I'm bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would like to observe that your laugh seems a mite nervous.
unidentified		Because I was listening to those voices and I was totally pretty dumb.
		I was sitting outside of my deck and that mommy woman came on.
		I can sit outside on my deck all the time on my computer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You get it?
unidentified		And I'm sitting outside in the dark.
		I live out in the country.
		It's pitch black out here.
		And I'm sitting out there, and all of a sudden, that voice can be like, oh, mommy.
		I go running inside my dark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I gotta go, Abby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I gotta go.
unidentified		I was a highwayman.
		Along the coast roads.
		We gotta get right back to where we've started from.
		Nothing is good.
		Nothing is wrong.
		We gotta get right back to where we've started from.
		Midnight in the Desert doesn't scream calls.
		We trust you, but remember, the NSA.
		Well, you know.
		To call the show, please dial 1-952-225-5278.
		That's 1-952-CALLART.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really, really do like that one.
		Hi, everybody.
		My guest is a ghost hunter, Patrick Burns.
		And he's been playing EVPs for us.
		And some people love them.
		Some people don't like them.
		Some people believe them.
		Some people give us nervous giggles.
		It just, you know, I guess it depends on who you are.
		And who is this?
		You're on the air with Patrick.
		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, we.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tom from Florida.
		Now you're on the air.
		I'm sorry.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
		This is Tom from Florida.
		Hey, Tom.
		Yes.
		What I heard in that EVP, the last one, was actually Amy, call me Chuck.
		That's what I heard.
		Amy, call me Chuck.
		Let's go to it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, hold on, caller.
		Worth hearing.
		What's your name?
unidentified		What's your name?
		I'm John.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		John.
		Thank you.
		Maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, again, please.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, again.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Let me get that unlooped here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caller is right.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hauler is absolutely rich.
unidentified		He's calling.
		Shot.
		He's calling.
		Shot.
		He's calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good catch, Caller.
unidentified		Dead on the money.
		Yeah, I heard him mention somebody named Amy earlier, and whenever I heard that, I was like, you know what?
		I think it's mentioning Amy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right, you're right, you're right.
unidentified		But the other thing I wanted to ask him, what I wanted to ask you, what do you think about the possibility that some of the explanations for ghost appearances, not all of them, but some of them, are a form of astral projection from people that are actually somewhere else in the world and someone is actually experiencing, seeing them in an astral projection form?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		That will have to be, that's a topic for another show, for another time.
		When I got into the paranormal after the death of my brother in 1985, I had an extremely vivid out-of-body experience that occurred to me about 1988 or 1989.
		It would take me quite some time to tell the story, but I believe I was pulled out of my body by my brother's spirit.
		It was basically a gift that he gave to me to demonstrate to me the existence of the spirit world.
		And it's a very long story, but I have heard that as well, Caller.
		I have heard people have speculated that we might be actually experiencing the spirit of the living, the living manifesting the out-of-body experience.
		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No question about it.
		Mark, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		Hello, Mark.
unidentified		Skype?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Skype?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, hey, Mark.
unidentified		Oh, oh, hey.
		My first Skype call.
		I've never had this happen.
		Welcome back, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you sound fine.
unidentified		I literally had goosebumps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Mark.
		I've got to tell you, Mark, first of all, thank you for calling and using Skype.
		I've been training the audience, and they all groan when I try and teach them how to do this.
		But the fact of the matter is, once they've done it, it sounds so good that thank you.
unidentified		I'm trucking southbound talking on a cell phone through Skype, so there you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And first point is, you thought some guy, you thought you heard him say Chuck E a while back or Chuck something.
		I heard Sparky when you asked somebody who his name was, if anybody was there.
		So Sparky over and over, like from National Lampin's Vacation or something.
		But I have a question for your guest.
		What about using an amplified listening device and putting that in your ear and using that separately from your recording device to see if maybe you could pick something up immediately, ask somebody a question?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that concept is what they call real-time EVP.
		It's not quite real-time.
		There are recorders that have been modified, and what they do basically is they inject a, it's like a delay.
		It's like a digital delay.
		You'll say something and you'll hear it a few seconds later.
		So you're hearing the recording, the playback in near real time.
		The problem is I haven't had the real-time EVP recorders that I've worked with, I haven't had really good success with.
		And it's also very disconcerting and confusing to your brain, if that makes any sense, to listen to this constant delay in your voice as you're trying to talk.
		You know, you're trying to keep up with yourself as you're talking.
		And it gets to be very, very confusing.
		And it's mentally exhausting to listen to one of these devices for any length of time.
		You know, another approach to that is that you have one person asking questions, and then you have another person who is monitoring with headphones on.
		So they're not listening to both, you know, not listening to the person talk outright, but they're listening to the playback in near real time, and they can say, we got a response here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, even then, you're listening to something down into the noise, and so it's going to be tough.
		By the way, hold this on Ghost Radar Connect.
		I bought the thing for two bucks now.
		I might be sorry I did.
		It looks like it's for video, and I wanted audio, so that's the way it goes.
		All right.
		Mountain Home, Idaho.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		I had a comment on your show, and I have a question for the man.
		Sure.
		And, oh, by the way, your sound quality is excellent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We think so.
unidentified		I'd say that authoritatively.
		I gavel with my nicotine gum.
		Oh, yeah.
		Do you get a lot of children on these EVPs?
		And isn't that kind of heartbreaking?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, we got a couple.
		I don't know if you were listening earlier.
		We had that little girl voice that said mommy.
		We've gotten other voices.
		Some of the female vocalizations, actual voices when they come through, and they're not whispery, sound like adolescent children.
		Yes, it is disheartening.
		It's being a parent of two boys.
		I certainly don't want to think that if a child passes on, that's tragic enough.
		But how much more tragic to think that their spirit could somehow be trapped here?
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		My goodness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm with you, Caller.
		Thank you very, very much for the call and call again.
		But I'm totally with you.
		Even our other group of EVP people get child voices all the time, and it's very disturbing, and it's not easily explained when you consider, you know, the number of people in the world that pass on, right?
		Shouldn't be that many children.
		That's all there is to it.
		Nick on Skype.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, it's great to be on the show and Roswell's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Move good and close to your device.
unidentified		All right, I tried to configure that earlier.
unidentified		Am I sounding all right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		If you get close to the mic, you're okay.
		If you tried to, you know, configure a headset, maybe you just didn't get it quite right.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		So last week, when you had the other EVP guys on, someone asked if they tried to triangulate the EVP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		So with that choke recording that you had, was that like two separate occasions, or was that like a simultaneous recording from two devices?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was two separate recordings on different occasions.
		I'm trying to look at the date here on it.
		The one was recorded on the 30th of March this past year, and the other one, I don't have the date on the file because I've actually closed out the original file.
		But they were definitely on two different locations.
		So we're getting the same name as coming through on different occasions for sure.
unidentified		All right.
		And I've got one last comment, I guess.
		So you kind of mentioned this before.
		With all the people who lived before us, you know, it would seem that if this was like dead people, it would be just overloaded with all these just like random voices and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm the one who said that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Think how many people in the world have died.
unidentified		But like what's so intriguing is like, well, at least with the guys last week, it seemed like a lot of what they had was like with the context of what they were asking.
unidentified		But like, I guess more of what we heard this week not necessarily was in the context, but just like, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's fair.
		That's fair.
		I appreciate your call.
		Thank you very much.
		And by the way, go into Skype and configure in Skype for your headset as opposed to what other device it had in there.
		But then you have to remember and go down and save it.
		If you don't save it, the next time you open Skype, it'll go right back to where it was.
		We'll have some kind of Skype training session or something tonight.
		It really does work.
		You know, people are exasperated when I talk about it.
		But the fact of the matter is, we have had incredible luck with getting people to configure properly, and they're sounding better and better and better and better all the time.
		On the phone, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yes.
		Hey, Art.
		Hi, Patrick.
		Hi, there.
		Going back to the CAT EVP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		I believe you said the house was reconstructed from Washington, Georgia.
unidentified		Did you say that?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Do you know where in Washington, Georgia that came from?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I do not know.
		I know that it was a plantation house that was one of the few in that area that was not burned by William Tecumseh Sherman on his famed March to the sea during the Civil War.
		But when it was discovered in the 1960s, in the early 1960s, I've seen photographs of it.
		It was completely dilapidated, run down.
		And the individual who owns the restaurant or started the restaurant wanted to have an antebellum plantation house as a restaurant in Atlanta.
		Problem was, Sherman ensured that there were no plantation houses existing.
		So we found this one and moved it brick by brick, meticulously, from its location in Washington, Georgia.
		But where exactly it was in Washington, I'm not sure.
unidentified		Okay, I live in Washington.
unidentified		That's why, that's all.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I've seen photographs of it.
		It was out in a field someplace, and it just completely run down, falling apart.
		And he meticulously moved it brick by brick, board by board, to Atlanta, to Buckhead.
unidentified		Wow.
		Yeah.
		I'm moving to Savannah next month, and I was wondering if you heard of any haunted houses on West Bolton Street where I'll be moving to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the whole block, sir.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		I'm not aware.
		I'm not familiar with that area yet.
		I've been coming to Savannah for years.
		I've only actually lived here just over a year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell them the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The whole block has shredded human parts everywhere.
unidentified		Yes, exactly.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		They're going to be ghost stories everywhere.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		You can't throw a rock in the sky without it landing someplace where there's a ghost story.
unidentified		Okay, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have a great night, sir.
unidentified		Thank you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Billy, Billy, it's your turn.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Billy.
		Going once.
		Going twice.
		And Billy?
		No, he's not there.
		He's not ready.
		On the phone, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing fine.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Good.
unidentified		Could you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
unidentified		Hello.
		Okay, great.
		I'm sorry.
		I was wondering if your guest ever heard of a gentleman, actually a scientist by the name of Rondive.
		I believe I'm saying that correctly.
		He was the person that actually developed the first EVPs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I don't know about that.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Frederick Juergensen is the one who is traditionally credited as being the father of EVP.
unidentified		Well, Frederick.
		Juergenson, he was a, not a botanist, a person that used to record the bird songs.
		Is that correct?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		That's Frederick Juergensen.
		That's correct.
		He was a film director, and he picked them up by accident.
		He thought it was his deceased mom in his garden that he recorded.
unidentified		Yeah, well, one of his better friends was an engineer by the name of Constantine Rhonda, I believe his name is, and he picked up the research on this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard that Alexander Graham Bell experimented with it.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've heard that rumor as well.
unidentified		Yeah, this is after that.
		This is a German fellow, and he has a book out.
		I read it 20 years ago.
		It was a reference book that you can find in just about any university library.
		And it's actually called Breakthrough.
		Did you ever hear of it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I haven't heard of it, but okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the info, and we'll sure look into it.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		If he's a lost champion of EVP or early researcher, I'll have to do some research on that and read up on him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Dan on Skype.
		Hello.
		Hello, Dan.
		Going once, going twice, short opportunity.
		John.
		Hello there, John.
		You're on the air.
		Extinguish your device, please.
		Are you there, John?
unidentified		Yes.
		Hello.
		I have a question for your guest.
		I was wondering if he has ever experimented with taking an EVP field recording and listening to it in reverse to see if there are any EVPs that can be picked up when it's being played backwards instead of forwards.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		Oh, really?
unidentified		Okay.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yeah.
		That's a whole nother world.
		I tell people, you know, with digital audio workstations now, software, you can time stretch a file, a recording, and you can preserve its pitch.
		So in other words, you can slow it down without affecting the pitch, or you can speed it up.
		And it's really interesting.
		You can listen to these recordings a lot of times, and you can change the time.
		You can also change the pitch as well.
		And you can flip it around.
		You can play it backwards, and you will hear different voices come through.
		And sometimes it's incredible.
		You play the recording backwards, and it doesn't sound like a backwards recording.
		It's a perfectly clear voice coming through.
		That's an entirely different area of research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And maybe a different show, too.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		The reason I asked is some of the EVPs I've heard tonight sound like what's called backwards masking, to where what I hear sounds like it was actually recorded in reverse and then it's being played forwards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		No, you're exactly right, Culler.
		Thank you very, very much.
		That is true.
		And that could be an entirely different program, right?
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
		Indeed.
		Yeah, I have a VP recorded in a cemetery, and we play it forward.
		It sounds like it's saying shameless.
		And when we reversed it just on a whim, we reversed on a whim.
		And when it was played backwards, it said, I think it says something like save me.
		I'm trying to recall exactly what it did, but it made more sense in reverse than it did forward.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, you've got to have a really perverted sense of humor, which I have.
		But there's a TV show on, I think it's on.
		It's called Shameless, anyway.
		And it's hysterical.
		I mean, absolutely hysterical.
		It's like married with children times 100.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my gosh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Get it by LA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Showtime.
		That's it.
		All right.
		Livermore, California.
		I think you're on the air with Patrick.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
		It's Jesse.
		And I just wanted to give you some tips on the Ghost Connect app.
		Okay.
		I seemed a little disheartened when you said that you thought it was more of a vocal thing than a video thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I was hoping it was more audio than video.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		Well, it has multiple, like, oh, what's the word?
		Like capabilities?
		Multiple things.
		Yeah.
		So down at the bottom, there's three little lights, and they'll light up, I think, yellow, orange, and red.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Han, I'll go home and play with it.
		Thank you.
		I'm so sorry.
		The show is ending.
		I really have got to go.
unidentified		Okay, I totally understand.
unidentified		It talks to you randomly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It talks to me randomly?
unidentified		Yeah, like it'll say just randomly, like you'll turn it on, and then randomly it'll say something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I've got to go.
		Patrick, it has been an absolute pleasure having you on.
		You've been a true gentleman.
		Thank you so very much.
		We will do it again.
		And it sounds like there are other avenues you and I could go down.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Completely.
		This has been an honor, Art.
		Thank you so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Patrick.
patrick burns ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All the time zones around the world, all the jammed phone lines.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm sorry we didn't get to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
unidentified		Shut on you.
unidentified		Good night in the desert.

▲