Timothy Good recounts 1963’s London cone UFO (witnessed by thousands, backed by U.S. Air Force footage), 1967’s New York telepathic encounter, and a 2005 Poland "silent being" who predicted Earth’s space future—claims he ties to astronauts like Armstrong and Cooper, suppressed CIA/Vatican knowledge, and 3,000-foot alien craft. Skeptics demand verifiable evidence, but Good cites Adamski’s Kodak-evaluated photos (e.g., 1965 Silver Spring landing) and propulsion secrets passed to von Braun. Callers share Utah’s spoon-shaped UFO (2011), "men in black" searches, and energy-siphoning craft near power lines, while Bell dismisses fringe theories like RH-negative alien links. Good argues military programs like AFOSI treat UFOs as policing issues, not threats, amid debates over human pacification and hybridization schemes. The episode blends firsthand accounts with conspiracy claims, leaving Earth’s place in the cosmos—and humanity’s role—deliberately ambiguous. [Automatically generated summary]
Much like Obamacare website, we're having a little bit of trouble with some people getting cut off.
And it's vexing, to say the least.
There are various error codes one might encounter 1001, 500 and something, 300 and something, I don't know, all kinds.
So we can use your help in trying to figure out what the hell's wrong.
We don't want people cut off.
So if you're listening on the web, whatever you're listening on, here's what I want you to do.
When you get cut off, make note of it, the time it occurred.
Tell me where you are.
And tell me what kind of operating system you are using.
And email me.
This is how it could conceivably get cured.
I say conceivably.
So send your cutoff report, please, to artbell at artbell.com.
That's artbell at artbell.com.
Attention hands, amateur radio operators.
Our sun is going berserk.
Ladies and gentlemen, our sun has come alive, really come alive.
There are some pretty ominous things facing earth.
We're right at the end of a long gun barrel right now.
And it's amazing to see.
And I'm going to see to it that you see it.
Because up on my website right now, we have this lovely gal who actually looks like a network weather girl.
Except she is talking about what's going on in the sun right now.
And she explains it really, really well.
It is fascinating.
There are some big storms.
You might even call it the perfect storm headed toward us.
There have been four large flares, and they're all headed our way.
I mean, these spots are pointed right at Earth.
So you're going to want to check it out.
I'm sure you'll hear things like light to moderate X-rays with proton showers possible.
And you're going to watch for that occasional gamma-ray burst.
No, not really.
She'll explain the technical side of it.
And it really is fascinating.
If you've ever wondered, finally, our sun is raging in the night and the day.
And so that makes for wonderful conditions on the radio.
Until the storms hit, then there'll be nothing.
Anyway, you really want to see this.
Go to artbelt.com, click on the sun weather gal.
Gee, that's well done.
I've never seen that before, but it's very, very well done.
I am coming to the conclusion that school shootings here in America are becoming the new normal.
Massachusetts, here in Nevada, little town, Sparks in Nevada.
They are becoming the new norm.
I mean, you hear about them all the time now.
Are we going to get used to that?
Are we really going to get used to school shootings in the news?
Remember, we've got a ghost picture contest underway, and judging is underway, too, and it all ends this Sunday, or the submission part of it anyway, this Sunday at noon, it's all over.
So if you have a ghost story, send it to Ghostmaster.
No, just kidding.
Send it to Webmaster at heartbell.com.
If you've got a ghost story, send it to me.
A one-paragraph summary is just fine, and then your phone number, and we'll call you when we do our Halloween show.
Spooky Matter.
Well, one comet yesterday exploded.
ISON, however, is still on track to amaze and or disappoint.
We'll have to find out.
But one comet did explode.
Sometimes when they get near the sun, it's just too much for them, and they go.
I was talking to somebody earlier tonight about something that – A UFO caught by multiple cameras.
That's always good, right?
If you're in doubt, multiple cameras in Jerusalem.
That's on the website.
A giant alien in Peru is on the website.
An unknown but disgusting life form has been filmed intimately in North Carolina.
This thing is growing in the North Carolina sewers.
And it's disgusting.
I mean, it's really disgusting.
It's some new life form, they claim, growing in the North Carolina sewers.
And I, you know, watch it if you've got the guts.
It really is pretty awful looking.
No idea what it is.
Don't really want to know what it is.
Definitely don't want to go down.
And I wouldn't be that close with the camera.
I hope the guy had a zoom lens or the gal, whoever took it.
Got a flash from my own company, SiriusXM, to SiriusXM employees.
I wonder if I'm supposed to read this.
It's an internal memo.
Well, all right.
It's about something very public.
Tomorrow, Sirius XM is going to launch the FM6 satellite.
It's actually not the FM6 spacecraft, but satellite.
And it's going up on a Proton Russian rocket from Balkanor Cosmodrome.
That's in Kazakhstan on an ILS proton rocket.
It can be viewed.
In other words, you can see the launch and the spectacular success of our new satellite and or the spectacular destruction of an incredibly expensive satellite in Russia.
One of those two things will happen.
So if you would like to see that one way or the other, you might want to wander over to my website, again, artbell.com, and there will be live video from Russia of the launch.
Pretty cool stuff, actually.
All righty.
Glancing, if I dare, briefly at the national news.
Oh, I really want to do this.
In Massachusetts, a teacher who was allegedly killed by one of her own class students apparently had asked to stay after school the day she was killed.
This teacher was a beautiful young gal who was, you know, her picture has been around, poor gal, who was revered by her students and shot by one of them, allegedly.
This is why I hate the news.
Residents of a Northern California community expressed skepticism Thursday about a sheriff deputy's decision to shoot a popular 13-year-old boy who is carrying a pellet gun that looked apparently like an assault rifle.
You know, I'm going to give up reading this stuff pretty soon.
A former Ohio doctor accused of killing a pregnant woman last year by injecting her with heroin after she answered a Craig List ad pleaded guilty Thursday in her death.
And of course that of her nearly full-term unborn child.
Or we can look down here.
Dallas police will seek a grand jury indictment against an officer who was fired after shooting a mentally ill man in a disputed incident caught on tape.
You know, I may not read this stuff anymore.
And finally, of something that's not what I just read.
No one likes to believe so when a recent Texas high school football game ended in a score of 91-0, one angry parent filed a complaint, a lawsuit, I guess, alleging the contest had crossed the line from tough loss to unlawful torment.
So they're filing a lawsuit.
I mean, you know, you've got to laugh at something, right?
And what was there to laugh at in any of the other stories?
But 91-0, unlawful torment.
In other words, once they were far enough ahead, I guess the thought here is they should have had the grace to stop.
But no, they just went and got as many touchdowns as they could.
So it's going to be a lawsuit only in America.
Boy, I guarantee, only in America.
Okay, Fukushima, there's a lot of really possibly negative news about Fukushima because TEPCO is about to try to remove these spent fuel rods from reactor number four.
Now, this is going to be one hell of a dangerous, very dangerous job.
And it's going to be going on for quite a long time.
These things are heavy, really, really heavy.
And there are many of them.
During this period, TEPCO plans to carefully remove more than 1,300 used fuel rod assemblies, packing radiation 14,000 times the equivalent of a Hiroshima nuclear bomb from the cooling pool.
The operation to begin removing fuel from such a severely damaged pool has never been attempted, ever.
The rods are unwieldy, heavy, each one weighing about at this two-thirds of a ton.
And all this has to be done not automatically, as most things are in such a case, but by human beings.
Good luck to us.
Should the attempt fail, a mishandled rod could be exposed to air and catch fire, resulting in horrific quantities of radiation released into the atmosphere, and the resulting radiation will be too great for the cooling pool to absorb, as it simply has not been designed to do it.
Of course, the whole pile of these things could come crashing down.
That would be the worst case scenario.
And if that happened, it would be an apocalypse.
Reactor 4 contains about 10 times more cesium-137 than Chernobyl did.
So the more you read about this, the more frightening it absolutely is.
It is absolutely frightening.
And one more frightening thing for you.
The oarfish that are washing ashore in California are thought to be precursors of an earthquake.
Now, they did wash ashore.
These are deep, deep, deep ocean bottom dwellers, you know?
Timothy is regarded as one of the world's leading civilian authorities on alien phenomena, known for his integrity and his determination as a highly skilled researcher.
He has lectured at the Royal Canadian Military Institute, Royal Naval Air Station, Portland, the House of Lords All-Party UFO Study Group, the Institute of Medical Laboratory Sciences, and the Oxford and Cambridge Union Societies.
In 1998, he was invited to discuss the subject at the Pentagon's Defense Airborne Reconnaissance Office, wow, and at the headquarters of the French Air Force in 2002.
He has also acted as a consultant for several U.S. congressional investigations, as author of a dozen books on the subject, including Above Top Secret, Alien Contact, Alien Base, Unearthly Disclosure, and Need to Know UFOs, the Military and Intelligence.
Timothy lives in London, England, and that is, I think, where we find him.
It goes back to the mid-1950s, would you believe, when a cousin of my mother's, a distant cousin of my mother's, a guy called Edmund C. Berkeley, visited and stayed with us in our family home.
And he knew of my passion for aviation and space travel.
So he said, Timothy, what do you know about flying Sarters?
And this guy, let's say Edmund C. Berkeley, he was the first person to write on computers and automation.
In fact, I think that was his first book back in the sort of like 1947, something like that.
And he was a highly respected guy, apparently.
And he said to me, Timothy, you like airplanes and spaceships.
You need to know about flying sources.
So he gave me this book called The Flying Sources Are Real by Major Donald Kehoe.
It was a paperback.
I still have it to this day.
And I was enthralled because there were all these reports from airline pilots, commercial pilots obviously, and military pilots.
And, you know, even if the pilots had been drinking, the radar sets had not.
So I think you'll find in most cases where craft are reported by pilots, it's supported by radar.
And of course, that's the clincher for me, because radar actually is extremely sophisticated, far more sophisticated than people think, especially these days.
I can remember, well, I was told by some naval military guys about 15 years ago that, and they were talking in terms of years before then, that the Americans had a very sophisticated line-of-sight radar which could actually determine the types of engines from the fan blades of Russian bombers.
But the first one was 1963 when it was, I think it was August the 1st, 1963, if memory serves me.
I was sitting out in the garden of my parents' garden, and we all spotted this brilliant point of light in the sky.
It was a relatively clear sky.
And I turned my binoculars on it, and it was like a sort of cone-shaped, triangular-shaped object.
And photographs were taken by United States Air Force planes.
Forget the Royal Air Force.
The U.S. Air Force were there before our people, and they took gun camera film of it.
And it was a very large object, just suspended, just hanging there for about an hour and a half.
And as I say, clear photographs were taken.
In my book, Above Top Secret, I reproduced a photograph taken by a chap on the ground who I knew, a pilot on the ground, who took it through his telescope.
So my question is, after you had that personal experience, did that bring you to a new level, even beyond a sort of casual interest that you mentioned, or even an intense interest from reading that book, given that?
For the sake of my audience, many of whom are doubters, I would ask you, I think, how you vet when you come upon somebody and a report, and maybe you've got photography, you've certainly got stories, witness stories, how do you vet these things to decide the wheat from the chaff?
You know, when you're doing a talk show about this kind of thing, you get a lot of photographs in.
Frankly, a lot of them are probably baloney.
However, here's what I figured out.
If you have a really, you know, blurry photograph of a UFO, people go, oh, come on.
Even though somebody grabbed the camera in a hurry, probably was moving as they were in shock almost viewing this craft.
And, of course, you get a slightly blurry photograph.
And then on the other end of the scale, Timothy, you have people very rarely with a high-quality camera, fast film, and a steady hand, even in a scary situation.
And they come up with something that's just astoundingly clear.
And then that same group of people says, oh, Photoshop.
Oh, I mean to be non-specific, whether it's a sighting, a photograph, a creature, witness encounters, in other words, something that just is over-the-top legit.
I have had several encounters with people who I believe were aliens.
And that's the first one was in 1963 when I was touring the United States with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra.
And I forget exactly where we were.
All I can remember is that it was about 512 miles from Tucson, something like that.
It was a 512-mile journey from Tucson, Arizona, to Los Angeles.
And we were kindly given a one-hour stop during that 512-mile flight to get our evening meal.
And we stopped at this diner, and I saw, I was with three colleagues, we were sitting by a window, and we'd got our food, and I noticed waiting in line, not that far away, was a very petite, extremely attractive, very unusual-looking girl.
And there was just something about her which alerted me, and I put out the thought in my mind, if you're from elsewhere, would you mind just passing by and giving me some kind of proof?
That was all in my mind.
Like a minute later, when she came out of line, she might have been carrying a cup of coffee or something like that, I can't remember precisely, but she came past the table and did a very low, gracious curtsy and bow, and then she just stood up, deadpan expression, and walked away.
And, well, I had three witnesses with me, and they said, Tim, what's that all about?
How did you get to know her?
And I was mesmerized.
And that was the first in 63.
And then in 1967, there was, in some ways, a more convincing one.
I was staying at what was then the Park Sheraton Hotel.
I think it's off of 7th Avenue in New York.
We had a series of concerts at Carnegie Hall with the great Russian cellist Mr. Tslav Rostropovich.
And he used to conduct the Washington Symphony, by the way, as you probably may recall.
Great guy.
And I'd sent out a message.
I sat in the lobby of the Park Sheraton Hotel, New York, and I sent out a thought.
If any of you guys from elsewhere are in the New York vicinity, would you please come and sit down beside me and prove it?
Well, you know, people come and go in hotel lobbies.
And after about, I don't know, 30, 35 minutes, this chap comes in, and there's something about him.
He's immaculately dressed, about 5'8, something like that, maybe 5'9.
I would say tanned, slightly tanned skin, fair wavy hair.
He was absolutely immaculate.
He looked at me, he came and sat down beside me.
He took out an attache case from which he pulled the New York Times and he turned the pages over like every few seconds very, very slowly and deliberately, then folded the newspaper, put It back in his attache case and closed the zip.
So I thought, okay, here we go.
So in my mind, I said, right, if you're the guy I'm looking for, would you take your right index finger and hold it to the right side of your nose and keep it there?
He did immediately.
He did that immediately.
And people then say, Tim, why don't you talk to these guys?
And I just didn't feel it was appropriate somehow.
But that was it.
I had my proof in a way that there are people who can read your mind.
And I've had a couple of other experiences.
The last one was in Poland about, let me think, probably about eight years ago, I would say, in Wrocław in Poland.
And I was the featured guest at a prestigious debating salon.
It was called the Professor Dudek's Salon in Wrocław.
And I'd never been invited to such a prestigious event.
And I was the guest of honor, and I had to give a presentation, and then there would be questions from the audience.
And there were about 80 people there.
They were mostly retired, I would say, military people.
There were college professors, psychologists, who were the first to vent their wrath at me after my presentation.
But that's another story.
It was very funny.
There were military guys there who got so outraged by the psychologists that they stood up, and I think one of them had his uniform on, and they said, you don't know what you're talking about.
We guys have to chase these things.
My colleague here, and he had another pilot, stood up and said, you know, I've had these things on my wing and everything.
And it was very, very lively debate.
I had noticed throughout a very interesting looking person, very similar to the guy that I'd seen back in 1967 in New York, similar olive skin.
He was a bit thinner.
He was also immaculately dressed.
And I just thought there was something about him.
I tried a bit of telepathy.
There was no response.
Anyway, he was the last person to give a short presentation.
You weren't allowed to talk for, I think, more than about four or five minutes, something like that.
It might have been a little bit more, I'm not sure.
But he was the last person to speak.
The subject of his short speech was Earth's Future in Space.
And so I thought, gosh, this has got to be interesting.
I was absolutely fascinated by what he said.
So I thought, I've got to talk to this guy.
People say, Tim, why don't you talk to these guys?
So after the whole thing had finished, he was the last person giving a short presentation.
He came towards me.
I put out my hand.
He held it in a very cold way.
He just looked at me, unblinking, and he did not say a word.
I just said to him, I think you have a great deal of knowledge.
Thank you for your presentation and everything.
There was absolutely not a flicker.
And then he walked away.
I think I gave him my business card, but I've certainly not heard from him.
But the extraordinary thing is that I then met with my colleagues who were going home.
None of us had had drinks at that point.
We certainly had them when we got back to where I was being put up in a converted castle.
But everybody said, gosh, that was interesting, you know.
And I said, well, who is that guy?
And he said, oh, he's often here.
He's always got something very interesting to say.
And I said, yes.
What did he actually discuss?
And they said, oh, it was about Earth's future in space.
I said, yes.
But what did he say?
Nobody in that room, well, maybe some, but nobody that I was aware of, could remember what he had said.
And I certainly hadn't a clue.
It's gone.
So I just wonder whether that was something that was projected into the minds of the audience subliminally.
I do not know, but it was slightly disturbing, I have to say.
And the interesting thing is that the speaker, the guest of honor, is by contract supposed to get an audio tape of the entire proceedings, supposed to get photographs because there were photographers there.
Yes.
You're supposed to get this and that.
I couldn't get a reply from anybody, or even Professor Dudeko, who had invited me.
But, I mean, there could conceivably be so much more you could ask and so many more tests you could run.
I mean, if you successfully have a guy and you mentally project this to touch his nose.
Well, all right, a million questions.
For example, Timothy, aren't you concerned that you really did not connect with somebody from somewhere else, but you do have a talent for projecting suggestions to people, perhaps through telepathy.
And so that doesn't necessarily mean they're from elsewhere.
Or when you said if there's anyone from elsewhere, please make yourself known now.
How do you know you're just not projecting telepathy?
You're right, but this chap didn't say anything to me.
I spoke to him very briefly, and I said, I think you have a great deal of knowledge.
He said absolutely nothing.
Well, as did, I mean, I could have spoken to the guy in New York, I'm quite sure, but I just didn't feel it was appropriate, and I just sat there and I thought, well, you know, he might say something to me, but he didn't either.
Well, let me tell you a little follow-up to that case from Poland eight years ago, which I think it was in Wrocław.
People say, Tim, why don't you get some pictures of these guys?
Why don't you talk to them?
Well, as you know, I tried to talk to the guy, and he didn't say a word.
He just looked at me with unblinking eyes.
But I did try and get a photograph in the break because he was actually sitting about 10 feet away, 12 feet maybe at most away from me, among the audience.
And I got my camera.
I started doing sort of panoramic shots.
I needed to take three shots because there were about 80 people there.
And this was during an interval, in fact, so there weren't that many people.
So I thought, there'll be a guy sitting there.
I'll get a shot of him.
As I got to the area where he was sitting and just about to press the shutter, a voice boomed out and said, the speaker is not allowed to take pictures.
And I looked around.
That was a disembodied voice.
There was nobody to be seen who actually said that to me.
So I sort of looked blankly around and said, oh, I do apologize.
In many respects, it's a controversial choice, but I have to say, much as George Adamski has been maligned, in my new book, I'm trying to sort of improve his image,
if you like, by pointing out that he was very serious-minded, he was very knowledgeable, that he actually had a United States government ordinance passed, which gave him access to all military bases, not just throughout the United States, but throughout the world.
Furthermore, he was consulted by Kennedy, I believe another president, though I'm not sure who it was.
He was also treated with great respect at the Vatican.
On several occasions, he had meetings with Pope John XXIII and another meeting, I think, with one of the Pope Pierce.
I forget the number after following his name, but he did have genuine encounters with aliens.
Of that, I'm absolutely sure.
And his photographs, I know quite a bit about photography.
I have studied them very closely.
All his photographs are genuine.
The classic flying saucer, ones from Flying Saucers Have Landed, which many people, the first book for many people to read.
And he took, many, most of his photographs were taken through, in some cases, a powerful telescope because he was an astronomer.
He had a telescope in his, you know, where he lived in Palomar terraces.
And he got some great photographs.
And the thing is that in my new book, a lot of the information relating to Adamski has been vindicated by other people.
This is the so-called Amachitsia case, which is extremely controversial.
I've devoted one long chapter to the Amachitsia case, and I return to it in a later chapter.
This is something that went on for decades around the world, actually.
Meetings with aliens who collaborated with some of our scientists and people from all walks of life.
It went on for a very long time.
And were it not for the fact that I met one of the people who was involved for 40 years, I would have been extremely skeptical.
But this was absolutely on the level.
And the amount of information that has been passed, including technological information provided for me by Professor Stefano Breccia, who sadly died a couple of years ago, I got to know him and my girlfriend and I visited him on two occasions in Italy and we got a tremendous amount of information.
He was a scientist.
He'd lectured at the Russian Academy of Sciences and so on and so forth.
And he had meetings with these people on a regular basis for nearly 40 years.
Well, I'll have to just have a look, because technologically, I don't understand a lot of it myself, I have to say, but there is certainly some information.
If I can just flick through my book here, just to get some information.
The type of what Stefano gave me, let's talk about the Adomsky craft.
Stefano Bretcher told me that much of what he learned attests to the validity of a number of Adomsky's disputed claims and provides a great deal of new scientific and technical data.
For example, he reports that the Adomsky bell-type craft, the famous ones, which is about either, some people think it was about 27 feet, any measurements go up to 35 feet.
Adamski's, the one with the three spheres underneath, the classic ones, are very similar to those produced by a race that these people in Italy from all walks of life were involved in with the Amicizia people.
And there are actual diagrams of the craft showing similarities with some of these craft.
And Stefano told me that he went with a German engineer in one of these craft on one occasion, which was being monitored at all times by the aliens from their own craft and from their other highly technological instruments which they were.
That's a very strong statement to say there is no question that it was real when you're talking about aliens having given us craft and apparently trained us in how to build.
In the United States, since the 1950s, I was told we have been given craft, and even some of our astronauts have flown these craft.
Gordon Cooper, who I knew, who was a supporter of mine, I had the great privilege of knowing.
I never actually met him, but we corresponded and spoke.
But he told a friend of mine, who I trust implicitly, that he himself had flown some of these craft on quite a number of occasions.
And that he was actually prepared back in 1978 to fly one of these craft and land it in front of the United Nations building in New York if it ever came to people wanting proof.
I think, well, I never, as I say, I never had face-to-face conversations with Gordon Cooper, but I just found him convincing the way he dealt with people.
Other people have to.
But there's certainly no proof.
I can't prove it, and I'm sure, as I say, I'm told that other astronauts have been flying these craft, but it's not something I'm in a position to prove.
I had a friend, she's deceased now, a very good friend, called Pamela Hanford.
I've been able to name her.
I did allude to the case in Above Top Secret, but I've gone into much more detail in my new book.
And I've named her, Pamela Hanford.
She'd served with Britain's Secret Intelligence Service, better known as MI6.
And I once asked about her background in that clandestine organization.
And she said, bearing in mind that I'm still firmly bound by the Official Secrets Act, all I can tell you is that I trained with the School of Military Intelligence in those days at Mearsfield Park and did my parachute training with the London 21st.
I was trained for the Russian front, learnt Russian, and came under MI6's umbrella.
Because of the sensitivity of the field work, I can tell you nothing more.
Now, she was invited to a classified conference by NASA.
This conference was held at several venues in Italy in 1984, including the Europa Palace Hotel in Anna Capri.
Now, some of the astronauts were staying there, and Pamela actually overheard a conversation.
She was probably taping it, I guess, now, looking back on it.
But she had a conversation in the next room, because Neil Armstrong actually was in the bedroom next to hers, and Buzz Aldrin was in the one beyond that.
But she had this conversation with a professor Herbert Schwartz, with Armstrong, and I think she recorded it.
And this Professor Schwartz said, what really happened out there with Apollo 11?
He was asking Armstrong, Armstrong.
It was incredible.
Of course, we'd always known there was a possibility.
The fact is, we were warned off.
There was never any question of our building a space station or a moon city.
And then Professor Schwartz says, well, how do you mean warned off?
I can't go into details except to say that their ships were far superior to ours, both in size and technology.
Boy, were they big and menacing.
No, there is no question of a space station, so he claimed.
And then Schwartz says, but NASA had other missions after Apollo 11.
Armstrong said, naturally, NASA was committed at that time and couldn't risk a panic on Earth, but it really was a quick trip and back again.
Now, later that day, Pamela confronted Armstrong, who confirmed that the story was true but refused to go into any further detail beyond admitting that the Central Intelligence Agency was behind the cover-up.
But officially, of course, he denied everything.
There were no objects reported found or seen on Apollo 11 or any other Apollo flight other than of natural origin, is what Armstrong told me.
I have interviewed quite a large number of astronauts, and their interviews are always riveting, and they're always puzzling.
In one case, I spoke to an astronaut who could not remember what it was like to be on the moon.
And I found that to be really puzzling.
Yes, good Lord is a way to put it.
But he was being absolutely honest, and he said, you know, I said Edgar Mitchell.
You know, please give me a sense of how it felt, how your emotions were, what it felt like beneath your feet, what you were thinking about as you looked at the landscape, as you looked at the stars, and realized you were standing on the moon.
And you said, Art, it's really strange.
I can't give you that.
I can't give you that.
And, you know, that's just beyond all reason.
How could you, it would be the high point of certainly an astronaut's life to walk on the moon.
I guess you could be in some sort of state of shock, perhaps, but gosh, you would be making, or I would be making, I can only relate it to myself, really hard mental notes about everything I saw, touched, felt, experienced.
I would lock that in my memory for all time.
So did you hear that Armstrong, who was a very quiet guy?
I mean, he's had so little in public all these years, actually said that they were warned off the moon by gigantic craft.
Well, I can describe, there was one meeting he had, a private audience at the Vatican with the then ailing Pope John XXIII, that was in 1963, to deliver an important package he said that he had been given to him by one of his alien contacts, and this was to be delivered to Pope John XXIII.
When he came out, this is what my friend Lou Zinstag, who accompanied him, of course she wasn't allowed into the Vatican, but she was with another friend, and she said that when George came out, he was grinning like a monkey.
He said, I was received by the Pope.
He gave me his blessing, and I gave him the message.
And he told my friend that the Pope was not lying in the room above St. Peter's Square, as the people had been told, but that his bedroom faced the most beautiful part of the Vatican Garden.
And Ademsky thought, if you ask me, the Pope is hardly a dying man.
They haven't yet tried to operate on him, but I'm sure that's what they will do soon.
Well, for example, in 2008, Pope Benedict, I think it's the 15th, I can't read here, actually, sorry, it's Pope Benedict, in Pope Benedict, let it be known that there is no conflict between believing in God and in the possibility of extraterrestrial brothers, perhaps more evolved than humans.
And also in an interview with the Vatican's official newspaper, Father José Funes, a Jesuit then in charge of the Vatican's observatory, who's an expert on galaxies, said, astronomers believe that the universe is formed of hundreds of millions of galaxies, and in these are hundreds of millions of stars.
Many of these, or all of them, could contain planets.
So how can we exclude that developed life cannot be elsewhere?
It's possible to believe in God and extraterrestrials without bringing into question our own faith.
So I think that, you know, that's quite interesting.
It may be your approach, Timothy, but here's another one.
This is from Lone Voice, whoever that is.
Good evening.
Timothy Goode is making me sad.
He sounds unwell.
As for his appearance tonight, I began with an open mind.
Now it seems he has nothing but hearsay that he trusts implicitly.
Therefore, it must be true.
Sad.
So with what you've said, I do personally understand, Timothy, that if you had experienced the things you did personally, to you they would be as true as true can be, and you've done nothing to pass it along, and that's fine.
But some of these other things about craft being given to us and being flown by astronauts and so forth and so on, I guess people are disappointed at the claims and then not so much to support them.
Well, I certainly can't prove it, but I've just been informed by reliable sources.
As I mentioned, a very close friend of Gordon Cooper told me that he, Cooper, had himself flown the craft and that many of his colleagues had flown these craft.
I can't prove that.
And as far as Gordon Moore is concerned, I'm very well.
I can look at the hill that divides myself from Area 51.
And when I take the backway to go to Las Vegas, I can pass very near it.
Or I can drive right to the mailbox.
I mean, I'm that close.
I'm as close as anybody you'll talk to.
Okay, let's attempt a gear shift here.
If I ask you for the best documented case that you know of that doesn't cite third parties and doesn't involve personal experience, then where would you go?
And now I'm talking about quality of photographs and or artifacts or something that is verifiable.
or do we never get there?
Is there nothing that you would personally consider to be an Yeah, that's the problem.
I mean, I've known people who've had close encounters with landed craft and so forth, but they didn't get any pictures of them or anything, so it's frustrating in that respect.
But certainly Adamski has had plenty of photographic evidence and film evidence.
For example, one which is sometimes overlooked, but I have written about it in my books before, but there's a description of the visit in 1965 of a craft to where my friend Madeline Rodefer was staying at the time that Adamski just, you know, it was like a few weeks before he died.
She was looking after him.
And he actually filmed a craft in full view of my friend Madeline, a craft that came right over the front lawn, the front yard of their house in Silver Spring, Maryland.
And it was there for quite some time and terrific movie film was taken and I've reproduced clips in my books of that and everything.
And the craft was about 27 feet in diameter, according to a scientist who evaluated the films and took George Adamski with the film to the Eastman Kodak Company in Rochester, New York State.
And they were almost impressed by the film.
I've got copies of the film.
I've reproduced pictures of the craft showing how the propulsion system produces a distortion process around it.
And I find that very convincing.
Now, let me tell you that eventually the craft went away, of course, and the film was evaluated by an optical physicist called Bill Sherwood.
And as I say, Adamski was taken up with the film to Rochester, where these scientists were most impressed by it.
But in 1998, I was invited to the Pentagon, the Defense Airborne Reconnaissance Office, which you cited in my introduction.
And it was only a half-hour visit, and I expected a one-to-one with the general in charge of the Defense Airborne Reconnaissance Office, General Kenneth Israel.
And when I got there, there were about, I guess, 25 people in the room.
Nearly all of them were young people from various services.
Some of them didn't look more than 17, 18, from Army, Navy, Air Force.
And they were all very attentive.
And I thought, well, goodness me, you know, I'm not here to give a presentation, but I was asked to by General Israel.
And he'd first of all shown me, he said, Timothy, this is what I do.
And he showed me pictures of drones flying here, there, and everywhere, because that's the Defense Airborne Reconnaissance Office, which handles the unmanned spy planes.
And he says, now you tell us what you do.
And so I talked about that film.
I said, well, you know, there's a case outside of Washington, downtown in Silver Spring, Maryland.
And he said, Timothy, he didn't say this to everybody, but he said to me, sort of privately, he said, I think you'll find that that film is absolutely genuine.
In other words, he claimed, for example, to have met Venusians and Martians and stuff like that.
But I think he was certainly very sincere, and I knew a lot of people who knew him well.
And since I myself had encounters with people similar to those he described who were obviously highly telepathic, it kind of reinforces my belief, if you like.
Belief's not the best word to use, but that is the case.
I mean, it's quite possible that there are bases on Mars which are used not just by aliens, but by our own people.
I don't know how aware you are of the activities of U.S. Air Force Space Command, but there's a lot of information that they have had their own shuttle fleet for decades operating from an island in the Pacific Ocean.
If we did have such a thing, and if we had a secret space fleet, and I've considered this because I've been told this by many, including, by the way, Richard C. Hoagland.
I think he has that belief.
I would ask a lot of, I guess, impertinent questions like, well, we've got a lot of amateur astronomers.
Surely they would have noticed craft on the way to the moon and Mars and such coming and going, that that would be something somebody would catch.
He was the first to catch them since, you know, like 1949.
He started taking films through his telescope, and some of his photographs are absolutely superb, showing some of the giant mother craft, and as well as some of the smaller craft.
Maybe they consider it too sensitive or too embarrassing to talk.
I mean, I don't know.
I could file a Freedom of Information Act request, I suppose, which I last did with NASA a couple of years ago, which was quite amusing.
Under the Freedom of Information, I asked about that classified conference that took place in Italy, which I referenced a while back.
If you remember, my friend Pamela Hanford was there, and there was Neil Armstrong and Buzz Alden and German professor, Professor Schwartz, lots of, lots of other people.
It was a classified conference.
I filed a Freedom of Information FOIA request to NASA, and they said no such conference took place.
And, you know, a friend of mine gave a presentation there, so that's nonsense.
So clearly they're lying about stuff.
And then, quite casually, my partner, my girlfriend, just Googled the conference, and there's some details of it actually online.
So it's actually nonsense what, you know, it's just ridiculous filing a Freedom of Information Act to find out that they say it never happened, it didn't take place.
But there is strong evidence that it certainly did.
There's a guy called Carl Anderson who there's a chapter, I think it's chapter seven.
In 1954, he was with his family and relatives who they witnessed the landing of a disk-shaped craft on two occasions in the Mojave Desert.
And several of the witnesses signed sworn affidavits testifying to these events, and I've reproduced one of those.
And a few years later, Carl Anderson claimed to have been taken up in a craft and given instructions relating to alien propulsion technology, which he was asked to pass on to some distinguished scientists, for example, Professor Herman Oberth, who I met in person, by the way, I went to his home, and Dr. Werner von Braun.
Thus began a transfer of alien technology to our Earth scientists.
So that has been going on for a very long time, and we have the technology.
And many, as I say, many U.S. Air Force pilots have been flying these things since the 1950s.
These craft have been given us.
Now, you might ask, why on earth would they give us such advanced technology?
The reason is simple.
Earth is absolutely of prime importance in this neck of the woods.
Obviously, not in the galaxy.
It's certainly not unique in the galaxy.
But in this neck of the woods, it's unique, and others have vested interests in this planet.
Well, the beings that are involved are the so-called some of the bug-eyed beings.
I mean, there are different varieties of these smaller critters, that's for sure.
But I think what I've been told is that these creatures have or had a long-term plan to create a race of alien human hybrids purportedly to make us more peaceful.
Their true purpose, however, I have been told by a Washington source, is to create a passive human race incapable of violence by eradicating the human emotions that enable us to survive, thus laying us open to conquest.
Now, as I say, you know, if this has been a long-term stratagem, I've yet to see much evidence of the human race becoming less violent.
But as I say, this was part of what was called Project Aquarius, allegedly, and a number of these bases were guarded by elements of the U.S. military from Project Aquarius.
Also, Air Force Office of Special Investigations were involved.
Well, they deal more or less full-time with the UFO situation, as you probably know.
And when I had that meeting at the Defense Airborne Reconnaissance Office with General Israel, he confirmed for me that Afosi was involved in investigations since the phenomenon seemed to him to be more of a policing problem rather than one affecting national security, which is an interesting comment.
Well, there are quite a number of photographs taken not just by Adamski, but of others of these close-ups of some of these huge craft, which there are photographs which are available.
Well, the thing is they do, but it's rare, I have to say.
For example, in 1955, in a suburb of London, this was in July 1955, there was a heat wave at the time, two flying saucers landed in Bexley Heath, suburb of London, and a friend of mine was one of the witnesses, Margaret Fry, she's still alive to this day, very good youufer researcher.
And she saw this thing, she was traveling with her doctor to take one of her sons to the hospital and to the doctor's surgery.
And suddenly the car engine conked out and the car drew to a halt and this craft landed like about 20 feet away from them.
And it was about 30 feet in diameter.
Nobody got out of it.
And I reproduced a sketch done by Margaret Frye of that craft.
And a few days earlier, in another part of that town, which is part of the greater London area, another craft landed, slightly different shape.
And there were over 100 witnesses.
And the Ministry of Defence tried to confiscate all sorts of information from people about it and asked people not to talk about it.
It was in the interests of national security to talk about it.
And so it was sort of kept, it was dampened down for years until Margaret and some other people came forward.
And I've spoken to several of the witnesses, and I'm convinced it's very, very credible.
And these things have landed in other countries, many other countries as well.
Timothy, somebody who names himself Cardiopanic, interesting name, apparently wants to test his heart and is asking you where we can see film or pictures that you were talking about, Adamski, pictures.
Well, I've got a few in my new book, including one that's very seldom reproduced, which is a close-up through a telescope Adamski took of one of these bell-shaped craft.
And often that picture isn't fully reproduced.
I have reproduced the entire picture, which gives a better perspective of the whole thing.
So that's in the new book.
But other pictures I've published of quite a lot of the Adamsky pictures in previous books, like Beyond Top Secret, Above Top Secret, and some other books.
I should have been on my transmitter and talked to me on AM.
I probably would have done a lot better.
All right, anyways.
Very interesting with your guest tonight.
And I'm going to kind of not really go off subject, but in regards to UFOs and such, there's an area in New York up on the Tug Hill area called Happy Valley.
Are you talking about something that's current happening now?
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Well, if you Google it, over the past several years, there's been different issues, or not issues, but sightings and claims that have been going on up there.
There's some video in there that I've, you know, YouTube videos and stuff that people have recorded, but I personally didn't see a lot in there, but they make it sound like it's well known.
You know, we live in such a different age now, and I guess the age we live in demands proof beyond, you know, a friend told me.
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Exactly, exactly.
Yeah, I do understand that.
I really try to investigate as much as I can, but as far as what I can find on that, anything, it's the only things I'm finding are internet sources and how that works.
The last thing in the world that I wanted to be was rude to Timothy Goode because he's got, in ufology, quite a reputation.
But we do live in a different age now, right?
An age where some level of first person is required for extraordinary claims.
And if not first person, then some evidence to go along with.
And now, the Adomsky story, for example, I know there are a lot of older photographs associated with it.
And the fact that Kodak examined them certainly is interesting.
But again, we ran into a situation where the only evidence we had was somebody's word that they had heard that Kodak had looked at them, that sort of thing.
I just want to tell you, I've seen a UFO with my own eyes too, Art, and it's changed my life the whole time.
I was a young man when I seen it, but I've never ever forgot it.
But when we first saw it, we thought it was a piece of newspaper that flew out of somebody's chimney flying around from the distance.
We were coming back from dinner up there in Sandy, Utah, and we stood out there, watched it for 10 minutes.
And you wanted to think it was a balloon or something like that, but it made no sound other than a whooshing sound, like blowing air.
And there was flame underneath it and the whole bit, just like hovering.
We thought it was a hot air balloon got away from somebody.
But anyway, as we was watching it, my dad went in to get a camera and he came back out.
As soon as he hit the door, that thing took off across the sky towards what we call the point of the mountain where the prison is, and it was gone like in a split second.
Yep, that's the kind of thing, thank you very much, that will convince you.
Newspapers don't take off supersonically.
And there is a division now in the world, and it's between those who have seen personally these things and those who have not.
And I do truly understand the doubt of those who have not seen.
There's nothing like seeing with your own eyes.
It changes you, and you will always remain utterly changed.
But if you haven't seen it and you're only hearing descriptions, or worse yet, my best friend talked to somebody who saw, you know, just it's not enough.
It's not convincing in any way.
And maybe it is that we live now in a different, more modern age.
I don't know.
Let's go to California and Gordon, I believe it is.
Gordon?
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Yes.
Hello.
I'm glad to have reached you.
I've got a couple of things.
One is something that I saw personally, and this was 30 years ago when I was a kid.
But what looked like a meteor streaking across the sky, and I thought, wow, that's really cool.
I have talked to people, for example, like John Lear.
And John gets pretty far out there in his description of human beings as containers and that the fight is over our collective souls.
And John told quite a reasonable story.
I mean, out there, but in terms of believability, he actually came forth with an explanation that it is a fight over our souls, and one might imagine that to be true.
Well, see, the thing is, it happened one more time about five or six years later at a red light where the red light turned green.
I'm the lead car in the intersection, and that unseen hand is back on my chest, and I can't really think or breathe or concentrate or do anything for about five seconds.
And when it goes away, the cars behind me honk their horn, and I proceed into the intersection just in time to stop as a truck runs the red light just where I would have been had that not had happened.
Yeah, back in 1999, I lived in Mount Vernon, Indiana.
It goes along, it's nothing but cornfields all the way from the, it's about five miles from Illinois state line, and if you followed I-64, it ends up at Scotts Air Force Base.
I've heard stories before that Scott's Air Force Base had UFOs.
Well, back in 1999, me and my kid's mom just got home.
It was about 9.30 at night.
And I looked off toward the Wabash River toward Illinois.
And here come this light toward us.
She goes on in, takes a shower.
I get the kids out, take them into bed, come back out.
I'm getting groceries out.
And I just stopped because this thing is just coming so low.
It flies completely over my head.
It couldn't have been moving a half a mile an hour.
It took like three minutes to cover, to get completely past me.
And I had a yard light out in front of my yard.
Between the road and my front of my house, you probably got about 200 feet.
Well, the thing completely covered from the road all the way to the front of my house wide.
And it was probably a football field long.
There was nothing, no sound, no crickets.
I mean, you could hear the crickets, but there was no sound of this thing at all.
It was totally amazing.
And then, about a few years later, well, it was back in 2006, I was up in Chicago, and I heard a guy describe it as an aircraft carrier was blocking the O'Hara airport.
And it was hovering above the O'Hara airport, and this was on a local radio station.
Yes, and they described it the same way I always described it as a floating city block until I heard that guy describe it as a floating aircraft carrier.
Or I would say like a floating barge on a river.
And it was amazing.
And I could see the blue.
I could see windows.
I didn't see nobody.
But I mean, it wasn't very tall.
It had to have little people in there because I could see that it was no wider than like a river barge or the depth of it would be no deeper than a river barge.
But it was.
So how little would the people have to be?
I'm going to say you had to be five feet or smaller.
And I've heard like Scott Air Force Base before from other people saying that that's where they are doing these, you know, I believe that's where the UFO, because you could leave Scott Air Force Base and you could go straight to where the UFO flew over me.
And I went, and as the thing is coming into the yard, I went and snatched my kids' mom out of the shower, brought her out on the porch.
And I was like, because we lived out in the country.
There was nobody around.
And I brought her out on the floor.
She looks up at it and she, you know, her attitude was just mind-blowing.
Yeah, I think that this show, this program, has inspired a lot of movies that you've seen since those years when we did those shows.
A lot of writers were sitting around listening to my show and ended up writing stories that ended up becoming movies.
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We could have made a bundle.
Anyway, one other question.
Years ago, when I was out here living alone on my property in Texas, I was camping out for many years, but somewhere in 95 or 96, I saw a shooting star hit the ground between me and the next town south of here.
And I never went out there to see what happened.
There was a friend of mine and his daughter out here.
They were looking at the ground at the time, and they kind of saw remnants of the flash, and I told them about it.
They doubted me until he went back to his town in Fredericksburg the next day and heard about it on the radio, because people from there had seen the flash from, you know, 40 miles away.
And it was between me and the next town, which is 10 miles south of me.
And I never did go out to look for a crater.
And I recently went on Google Earth to see if there was a crater of some sort.
But the next day there were helicopters around.
And that metal is probably worth a lot of money if I would just go out there and look for it.
I was too busy building my house, and I never did go just look for the crater or any such thing.
There's been a lot of inspiring, you know, kind of conversation about why we're important.
And I'd like to preface this with saying that I come from a strong Christian upbringing and believe every word of the Bible.
If some people think it's a metaphor, sometimes the metaphor is just as important.
However, we're talking about aliens making hybrids.
And I don't think, you know, people when the Bible was written could relate to that at all.
And I haven't been able to find anybody in any church, at least Protestant church, that would be willing to correlate what we know or think we might know about aliens with the Bible.
A lot of them kind of just like reject it, and I think it fits quite nicely.
And as far as how we're important in this neck of the woods, you know, to quote Timothy, I think it has something about us being created in God's image.
I don't want to get a guest on the air who just says, you know what?
It's in my book.
If I ask them a question, it's in my book.
It's not a good enough answer for a talk show.
When you're doing a talk show, you want actual information.
And so even if they've written a book, you want them to be able to tell the audience about whatever the story is and not just sort of say, it's in my book.
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Yeah.
And, you know, I think the book, as far as I've read so far, does contain a lot of first-hand witness testimony.
He goes and he interviews some people with some really excellent stories.
But I don't know why he didn't Talk about that.
And I think maybe it's because he wasn't prompted to, or maybe he's just too sweet.
I'm really kind of concerned with your first story, the whole thing in Japan and Fukushima.
Those people are volunteering to die that are going to be doing those rods, and we all need to really have our minds focused that they can all get it done.
Otherwise, it's been great to listen to you if tomorrow doesn't go well.
I really, this is not, well, first of all, understand, it's not tomorrow, although I always worry about tomorrow.
But this is going to be going on for about a year.
It's going to take them about a year to transfer these fuel rods safely, and it's all going to be a human operation.
This is scary stuff.
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Right, right, it's serious.
But to go back to, I've been listening the past couple of weeks here to you since you've been on Sirius, and I've kind of been wondering if there's a planet that's out of phase, that the interdimensional people come from, that won the war where the debris is on Mars, and it isn't taking aliens from way far away.
They're right here.
They won the war millennia ago.
And maybe we're remnants of those that they defeated, and they let us just kind of be until we finally recognize who they are and maybe pose them at that point.
I mean, look, she went through locked doors that were locked afterward.
She went to a place that it's very unlikely she would go.
She went through alarm systems that didn't go off.
There's so much about the story that is just too weird.
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Right.
I mean, one thing also to consider is that the hotel was rather decrepit, and it's possible that some of the security measures could have failed at the time.
You're not turning to homework that Romney has been doing any of these crop circles, are you?
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Oh, God.
You know, the humor that's inherent in our situation needs to be brought out because sometimes the irony is all you can live for, you know what I mean?
Yeah, well, I have this other theory that, you know, since we all have a part of God inside of us, I was thinking it's possible that God has all of us at the same time.
So that would determine what God is at any given point in time.
And, you know, you can trace all the inconsistencies to the various global thought paradigms that we believe in.
And I knew him as well as a student can know a professor, but we got along famously because we were both airplane guys and both really enjoyed talking airplanes.
One time in a group setting, I asked him specifically about the UFO during the Apollo mission.
And he kind of smirked.
Everybody talks about how the guy was standoffish and all that.
One-on-one, he was very charming, had a very dry sense of humor, great guy.
But in a small group setting, he was equally as charming and equally as willing to talk.
And there were probably, I don't know, we had half a dozen of us there, students and himself.
And he proceeded to tell the story about, yes, they did look out the windows, and yes, they did see a kind of a sparkling, twinkling, on again, off-again kind of light.
And they did call back to Houston.
And he said, you know, the first thought that it had been the boosters.
And he said, but we talked about that, that made no sense.
They were too far away.
And he said, we talked about it and talked about it.
And he said, there's no question in my mind, and I've never forgotten this.
He said, what we saw were the panels from the service module.
The service module, if you'll remember, that thing kind of opened up like a flower to allow the command module to turn around and then dock with the lunar module.
And those panels peeled off.
And, you know, momentum being what it is, they kept going.
And as they got further away, and of course, I don't remember if there were three or four of them.
I think there may have been four of them.
And they all went kind of in different directions because there were four of them pointed in a different direction.
And he said, there's no question in my mind, that's what we saw.
But he didn't relate anything to you about a craft that had been given to the United States or any other country or having personally flown any of these craft.
Now, did he?
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You know, Art, if Professor Armstrong had said that, he would have done it firmly, tongue-in-cheek.
The guy had a great sense of humor.
He really did.
Very dry.
So he could have said something like that, but no, he said nothing like that.
He was asked a serious question by a senior in an aerospace engineering graduating class, and he answered it seriously.
And so for all these people who want to talk about Neil Armstrong this and Neil Armstrong that, I knew the man.
Great guy.
And I know how he answered the question because I heard the question asked and I heard him answer.
I'm sure one day I'll walk out on my back porch and I'll see this giant saucer sucking up from my big antenna.
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Also, to the other part, when you talk about why the aliens are here and so forth, and people are saying it's because of our soul or because they want to breathe with us.
I think they mostly should be gathered together and dissected.
I don't know.
I don't know.
What's the most evil thing you've ever done?
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I actually, a friend of mine was going to throw a party for me, and I went to his house, and he was all drunk, and there were people there I didn't know, and I was about 17 years old, and the rest of them were about 17 years old, and I left in a huff, and I actually called the cops on him under each drinking.
Yeah, I'm not calling about any kind of angels or portals.
I got a good old-fashioned, bizarre aerial phenomenon to tell you about.
Okay.
It was back, I was my second year out of college back in 1978, and I happened to get up at about 9.30.
It was on my bike, and being a 19-year-old, I didn't have a car at that point.
And I was just biking along the road, and it's up in the upper Peninsula, Michigan, pretty rural area there.
Biking along, and I saw something off the side of my eye.
And so I turned and looked off to my left, and there, about five feet away from me, floating along at the same speed that I was biking, was what I will call it is a silver ball bearing.
It was about the size of a croquet ball, exactly at my head level, about, like I said, five feet away, almost like a mirror.
It was so, you know, it was just so shiny.
And just cruising along, and my jaw dropped.
I'm biking along, and I didn't know what to think of it.
And it shot up in the air, and my head whipped up to follow it.
I could just kind of see it disappearing up.
And at that point, I lost sight of it because I went off the road and smashed into the bushes.
And so got off the bike, looked around, couldn't see anything.
And being a scientific kind of person, I got on my bike, and I went through about three, four times that same route trying to look for something that might have reflected off my glasses or something like that, but nothing.
Along those lines, I wanted to sort of say hi to all the folks over on Bellgab who sort of carried the flame all these years you were awake and wondered if maybe somehow unintentionally we'd done a mass consciousness experiment over there.
And I've always heard that it's comprised of the mind, the will, and the emotion, which if you look at that verse in the Bible that says, you know, what does it profit a person to gain the whole world yet lose his own soul, or in this case, lose his own mind, will, and emotions, it seems to make pretty good sense.
But if they're really interested in our souls, and our souls are indeed the mind, the will, and the emotions, they don't have a whole lot to pick from.
You talk about the remnant men.
I mean, the world is going crazy at a hair-raising clip.
So I think, you know, the more I think about this thing about seeding and that Adam and Eve was a fairy tale, what if we're just a big experiment and they check in from time to time just to see how we're doing?
Well, then at some point in the not-too-distant future, we're going to get vaporized because they're going to look down and they're going to say, what have we done?
The most evil thing I did was more funny than evil, but it was evil.
In 73, I had my first radio job at a little FM station about 50 miles outside of D.C. And we had to play certain records, and even the people on the air didn't always care for the records.
Well, I had one guy who, every time I played the night the lights went out in Georgia, would call in and just raise the devil with me.
Couldn't stand that song.
And he said, you know, if you ever play it again, I'll never listen again.
And I said, well, sir, I don't know if you're aware of the consequences of that action, but we're licensed by the Federal Communications Commission to operate this radio station with an antenna height of whatever it was, a wattage of whatever it was, effective radiated power of 3,000 watts, which means we can only accommodate a certain number of listeners at any one time.
So you're free to tune out if you want, but I can't guarantee that you're going to be able to tune back in if you decide later you want to.
And I paused.
And about 10 seconds later, he said, well, okay, I'll let it go this time.
And they ended up calling Search and Rescue, make a long story short.
And they had Metro Search and Rescue, the Air Force Search and Rescue Outlooking Force.
And me and a friend of mine were the only one that stayed kind of back at the mountain, deciding, hey, we're going to just spend the night here, where my brothers decided to try to make it home.
Search and rescue picked them up.
We ended up seeing lights towards Mount Charleston area, you know, from where we're walking back towards the base.
And it was real scary because These lights, they didn't look like UFOs, you know, big, huge UFOs in the air.
They were more or less like about the size of, you know, a Volkswagen.
And there were several of them.
And as a kid growing up on the base at nighttime, we used to see lights out there quite a bit in the distance and didn't know what they were.
Well, yeah, first time caller, I just want to say before I tell you, well, before I actually ask a couple questions, I was going to say, you know, big fan.
Actually stumbled across, I found out about you through YouTube.
I stumbled across some of your videos just when I was surfing through YouTube a couple months back and then found out you're off the radio through Wikipedia, then found out you were back on the radio.
It's cool to actually be able to talk to you, though, if I wanted to say that.
But one question I was going to ask, and then I was going to respond and comment, was, what did you think of Timothy Good?
I thought he was, I mean, is he as credible as some of the other people you've had on, some of the other guests that you've had on, would you say?
Timothy Good has a very long and distinguished reputation in ufology.
And so I guess I would say I was surprised at the way he laid some of this out tonight.
It was pretty tough.
Really tough.
unidentified
I agree.
What was really weird about it was this is the way I always look at it.
If you're really looking hard enough for something, you're going to find it.
And I think, you know, Howie said that he sat down and he telepathically sent out a message to everybody passing through the hotel, whatever.
I mean, how many hotels has he gone to and done that?
And then, you know, I mean, to me, that's all I'm trying to say is, you know, if you're looking hard enough to find something invested your career, your life, you're going to run into something that's, to you, seem versus whoever is doing that is going to seem abnormal or paranormal or out of this world.
And I'm not trying to say that he's uncredible.
Like you said, I look him up online and he seems, you know, like a respectable guy in his field and everything like that.
Well, of course, you shouldn't be sampling water from a sewer anyway, but whatever it was growing down there, I don't want anything to do with it, and it was just icky.
And I find I was wondering what if somebody's actually figured out the actual numbers as far as UFO savings in the summer compared to the rest of the year.
And the reason there's more in the summer is because people are outside doing stuff in the summer and they look up occasionally.
unidentified
I completely agree with that.
However, the reason I'm calling, remember a few years ago, actually no, as recent, I think it's two years ago, there was a huge UFO sighting all over this part of Canada.
And it was huge heavy lights.
And it was seen from all of Manitoba throughout Saskatchewan.
Well, white lies almost don't qualify as evil, frankly, Jason.
But I do appreciate the effort at it, but white lies.
How about the rest of you?
Do you do that?
Do you tell little white lies?
Let me give you an example.
Ham radio operators are consistently asking each other, how's my signal?
Right?
That's an obvious question.
All you've got is your signal.
Most times, more times than not, you will hear one operator ask another, and the other operator will always say five by five some of the best audio I've ever heard when it's patently untrue.
I mean, the guy just sounds terrible.
But somehow or another, people feel compelled to give good reports.
Absolutely compelled.
Right now, I'm compelled to take a break.
Open lines, anything you want to talk about, it's fair game.
Trannius, maybe, you ever heard the song Phantom 309?
No.
By Red Savine?
No.
Okay, if you ever get a chance, take a listen to it.
It's a pretty good.
It's an interesting.
Well, the story behind it was, I went over-the-road truck driver.
I also trained students.
One of my best friends was my student.
And I was asleep in the back, and what I had, I have a CB radio in the truck, and I had a handheld CV radio that I would use to be able to sit outside and talk to them and help them back up.
Well, one evening I woke up, and he was driving across Wyoming on Interstate 80, and there was hardly any traffic out there, so I noticed that my radio was on, and so I turned up my handheld and, you know, break one nine for radio check, and he answered it.
And we talked for about half an hour, 45 minutes, and he realized the signal hadn't changed.
Well, truck drivers, you know, you're out of two, three mile range, the signal weakness.
So anyway, he asked me where I was at, and I says, well, I'm right next to you.
And he kind of was like, no, really seriously, where are you at?
And I said, no, I'm serious.
He's right next to you.
Which I wasn't really lying, technically behind you.
I said, turn on your head, you know, overhead light.
And he turns it on and says, well, you're wearing a hat.
You've got a pack of cigarettes on that standing.
You're wearing a yellow shirt.
And he reaches up and turns off the light.
And I said, well, let me kind of explain.
He says, back in 1976, I was driving down this road.
It was a horrible snowstorm at Mile Marker, I think it was 377, just outside of Army.
I had told him that there was a school bus of kids that had spun out on the interstate, and I accidentally hit them and killed them, including myself.
And the higher power basically told me I am cursed to the roads until I save all the souls that I've taken.
And he asked me what my handle was, and I was sitting there trying to think of a really good handle.
And I knew the question was coming up because I set him up for the question.
Anyway, he asked the question, and the only thing that blurted out my mouth was Ghost Raider.
Now I'm sitting there hanging in my head on the walkie-talkie going, gee, that wasn't original.
But anyways, he was kind of had this weird, oh yeah, he bought it.
He had a weird look on his face the next morning, and everybody at the truck stop has pretty much heard the song Phantom 309, and they, you know, truck drivers talked, so we just kind of ran with it.
Well, that was the whole bit there.
The odd thing I saw was, ironically, in Utah.
Yes, right turn.
Turn right here.
And he, at Biomarker 56 on Interstate 80, it wasn't exactly dark, but it wasn't light out.
It was good dusk.
And I saw, it was on the south south side of the interstate, and there was an orb that lit up.
It's about a mile off of the road, probably about 200, 300 feet above the ground.
Keep it together out there on the road, definitely.
And by the way, the prize might go to Lori.
I don't know where Lori is, but she sends me a wormhole message that the most evil thing she ever did was typing out an IRS audit letter to her sister.