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Oct. 24, 2013 - Art Bell

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Dark Matter with Art Bell - Timothy Good - ET, UFO Encounters - Missing Time

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unidentified		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, exclusively on Sirius XM Radio, this is Dark Matter with your host, Art Bell.
		Now, here's Art.
		Extraterrestrial radio, Dark Riders, welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am Art Bell.
unidentified		What an adventure we're going to have tonight with Timothy Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think you probably know that name.
		Anybody in ufology circles knows that name.
		But I have a number of things first.
		Much like Obamacare website, we're having a little bit of trouble with some people getting cut off.
		And it's vexing, to say the least.
		There are various error codes one might encounter 1001, 500 and something, 300 and something, I don't know, all kinds.
		So we can use your help in trying to figure out what the hell's wrong.
		We don't want people cut off.
		So if you're listening on the web, whatever you're listening on, here's what I want you to do.
		When you get cut off, make note of it, the time it occurred.
		Tell me where you are.
		And tell me what kind of operating system you are using.
		And email me.
		This is how it could conceivably get cured.
		I say conceivably.
		So send your cutoff report, please, to artbell at artbell.com.
		That's artbell at artbell.com.
		Attention hands, amateur radio operators.
		Our sun is going berserk.
		Ladies and gentlemen, our sun has come alive, really come alive.
		There are some pretty ominous things facing earth.
		We're right at the end of a long gun barrel right now.
		And it's amazing to see.
		And I'm going to see to it that you see it.
		Because up on my website right now, we have this lovely gal who actually looks like a network weather girl.
		Except she is talking about what's going on in the sun right now.
		And she explains it really, really well.
		It is fascinating.
		There are some big storms.
		You might even call it the perfect storm headed toward us.
		There have been four large flares, and they're all headed our way.
		I mean, these spots are pointed right at Earth.
		So you're going to want to check it out.
		I'm sure you'll hear things like light to moderate X-rays with proton showers possible.
		And you're going to watch for that occasional gamma-ray burst.
		No, not really.
		She'll explain the technical side of it.
		And it really is fascinating.
		If you've ever wondered, finally, our sun is raging in the night and the day.
		And so that makes for wonderful conditions on the radio.
		Until the storms hit, then there'll be nothing.
		Anyway, you really want to see this.
		Go to artbelt.com, click on the sun weather gal.
		Gee, that's well done.
		I've never seen that before, but it's very, very well done.
		I am coming to the conclusion that school shootings here in America are becoming the new normal.
		Massachusetts, here in Nevada, little town, Sparks in Nevada.
		They are becoming the new norm.
		I mean, you hear about them all the time now.
		Are we going to get used to that?
		Are we really going to get used to school shootings in the news?
		Remember, we've got a ghost picture contest underway, and judging is underway, too, and it all ends this Sunday, or the submission part of it anyway, this Sunday at noon, it's all over.
		So if you have a ghost story, send it to Ghostmaster.
		No, just kidding.
		Send it to Webmaster at heartbell.com.
		If you've got a ghost story, send it to me.
		A one-paragraph summary is just fine, and then your phone number, and we'll call you when we do our Halloween show.
unidentified		Spooky Matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, one comet yesterday exploded.
		ISON, however, is still on track to amaze and or disappoint.
		We'll have to find out.
		But one comet did explode.
		Sometimes when they get near the sun, it's just too much for them, and they go.
		I was talking to somebody earlier tonight about something that – A UFO caught by multiple cameras.
		That's always good, right?
		If you're in doubt, multiple cameras in Jerusalem.
		That's on the website.
		A giant alien in Peru is on the website.
		An unknown but disgusting life form has been filmed intimately in North Carolina.
		This thing is growing in the North Carolina sewers.
		And it's disgusting.
		I mean, it's really disgusting.
		It's some new life form, they claim, growing in the North Carolina sewers.
		And I, you know, watch it if you've got the guts.
		It really is pretty awful looking.
		No idea what it is.
		Don't really want to know what it is.
		Definitely don't want to go down.
		And I wouldn't be that close with the camera.
		I hope the guy had a zoom lens or the gal, whoever took it.
		Got a flash from my own company, SiriusXM, to SiriusXM employees.
		I wonder if I'm supposed to read this.
		It's an internal memo.
		Well, all right.
		It's about something very public.
		Tomorrow, Sirius XM is going to launch the FM6 satellite.
		It's actually not the FM6 spacecraft, but satellite.
		And it's going up on a Proton Russian rocket from Balkanor Cosmodrome.
		That's in Kazakhstan on an ILS proton rocket.
		It can be viewed.
		In other words, you can see the launch and the spectacular success of our new satellite and or the spectacular destruction of an incredibly expensive satellite in Russia.
		One of those two things will happen.
		So if you would like to see that one way or the other, you might want to wander over to my website, again, artbell.com, and there will be live video from Russia of the launch.
unidentified		Pretty cool stuff, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All righty.
		Glancing, if I dare, briefly at the national news.
		Oh, I really want to do this.
		In Massachusetts, a teacher who was allegedly killed by one of her own class students apparently had asked to stay after school the day she was killed.
		This teacher was a beautiful young gal who was, you know, her picture has been around, poor gal, who was revered by her students and shot by one of them, allegedly.
		This is why I hate the news.
		Residents of a Northern California community expressed skepticism Thursday about a sheriff deputy's decision to shoot a popular 13-year-old boy who is carrying a pellet gun that looked apparently like an assault rifle.
		You know, I'm going to give up reading this stuff pretty soon.
		A former Ohio doctor accused of killing a pregnant woman last year by injecting her with heroin after she answered a Craig List ad pleaded guilty Thursday in her death.
		And of course that of her nearly full-term unborn child.
		Or we can look down here.
		Dallas police will seek a grand jury indictment against an officer who was fired after shooting a mentally ill man in a disputed incident caught on tape.
		You know, I may not read this stuff anymore.
		And finally, of something that's not what I just read.
		No one likes to believe so when a recent Texas high school football game ended in a score of 91-0, one angry parent filed a complaint, a lawsuit, I guess, alleging the contest had crossed the line from tough loss to unlawful torment.
		So they're filing a lawsuit.
		I mean, you know, you've got to laugh at something, right?
		And what was there to laugh at in any of the other stories?
		But 91-0, unlawful torment.
		In other words, once they were far enough ahead, I guess the thought here is they should have had the grace to stop.
		But no, they just went and got as many touchdowns as they could.
		So it's going to be a lawsuit only in America.
		Boy, I guarantee, only in America.
		Okay, Fukushima, there's a lot of really possibly negative news about Fukushima because TEPCO is about to try to remove these spent fuel rods from reactor number four.
		Now, this is going to be one hell of a dangerous, very dangerous job.
		And it's going to be going on for quite a long time.
		These things are heavy, really, really heavy.
		And there are many of them.
		During this period, TEPCO plans to carefully remove more than 1,300 used fuel rod assemblies, packing radiation 14,000 times the equivalent of a Hiroshima nuclear bomb from the cooling pool.
		The operation to begin removing fuel from such a severely damaged pool has never been attempted, ever.
		The rods are unwieldy, heavy, each one weighing about at this two-thirds of a ton.
		And all this has to be done not automatically, as most things are in such a case, but by human beings.
		Good luck to us.
		Should the attempt fail, a mishandled rod could be exposed to air and catch fire, resulting in horrific quantities of radiation released into the atmosphere, and the resulting radiation will be too great for the cooling pool to absorb, as it simply has not been designed to do it.
		Of course, the whole pile of these things could come crashing down.
		That would be the worst case scenario.
		And if that happened, it would be an apocalypse.
		Reactor 4 contains about 10 times more cesium-137 than Chernobyl did.
		So the more you read about this, the more frightening it absolutely is.
		It is absolutely frightening.
		And one more frightening thing for you.
		The oarfish that are washing ashore in California are thought to be precursors of an earthquake.
		Now, they did wash ashore.
		These are deep, deep, deep ocean bottom dwellers, you know?
unidentified		Big giant fish.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They almost look like something alien.
		But they inhabit the bottom of the ocean.
		And the thought is when there's tectonic movement, the oarfish that, like the bottom, immediately detect it and take off like bandits.
		Orfish washed ashore in Japan before the big one.
		Oarfish are washing ashore in California now, too.
		Extremely rare and something to be concerned about.
		All right, well, I've got so much more.
		As I said, we have riches of material tonight.
		Certainly, you're going to want to go to artbell.com first opportunity you get.
		Obviously, if you're out there in a truck, don't do it.
		I know that there's a temptation when I talk about these things.
		All right.
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		I mean, this will make any laptop look sick.
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		Coming up in a moment, you've heard his name, I'm sure, now, probably all your life, or a good part of it.
		Timothy Goode and UFOs on Dark Matter.
unidentified		Yes, raging in the night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, coming up, Timothy Good.
		Timothy is regarded as one of the world's leading civilian authorities on alien phenomena, known for his integrity and his determination as a highly skilled researcher.
		He has lectured at the Royal Canadian Military Institute, Royal Naval Air Station, Portland, the House of Lords All-Party UFO Study Group, the Institute of Medical Laboratory Sciences, and the Oxford and Cambridge Union Societies.
		In 1998, he was invited to discuss the subject at the Pentagon's Defense Airborne Reconnaissance Office, wow, and at the headquarters of the French Air Force in 2002.
		He has also acted as a consultant for several U.S. congressional investigations, as author of a dozen books on the subject, including Above Top Secret, Alien Contact, Alien Base, Unearthly Disclosure, and Need to Know UFOs, the Military and Intelligence.
		Timothy lives in London, England, and that is, I think, where we find him.
		Timothy, good evening.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Good evening to you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Pretty good connection, I would say.
		You're in London?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then I'm impressed.
		Pretty good stuff.
		All right.
		Gee, where to begin?
unidentified		When did we last talk, Timothy?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		I think, Art, if my memory serves, it was about 2005.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's been a long time.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		It might have been more recently than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, 2005 sounds about right to me.
		Okay.
		So it's really extra wonderful to have you back on the program.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And perhaps you would like to summarize everything that's happened between 2005 and 2013 today.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Oh, for heaven's sakes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you start off there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just kidding.
unidentified		Just kidding, Timothy.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		I can certainly give some.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet you could.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Quite a bit being going on recently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, there is.
		I've got this wealth of UFO photographs and all the rest of it up on the website.
		It seems to be coming on a daily basis now.
		All kinds of sightings all over the place.
		It's kind of exciting, actually.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how did you get into this field, you know, UFOs, aliens, that kind of thing, in the first place?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		That's a very good question, Art.
		It goes back to the mid-1950s, would you believe, when a cousin of my mother's, a distant cousin of my mother's, a guy called Edmund C. Berkeley, visited and stayed with us in our family home.
		And he knew of my passion for aviation and space travel.
		So he said, Timothy, what do you know about flying Sarters?
		And this guy, let's say Edmund C. Berkeley, he was the first person to write on computers and automation.
		In fact, I think that was his first book back in the sort of like 1947, something like that.
		And he was a highly respected guy, apparently.
		And he said to me, Timothy, you like airplanes and spaceships.
		You need to know about flying sources.
		So he gave me this book called The Flying Sources Are Real by Major Donald Kehoe.
		It was a paperback.
		I still have it to this day.
		And I was enthralled because there were all these reports from airline pilots, commercial pilots obviously, and military pilots.
		And, you know, even if the pilots had been drinking, the radar sets had not.
		So I think you'll find in most cases where craft are reported by pilots, it's supported by radar.
		And of course, that's the clincher for me, because radar actually is extremely sophisticated, far more sophisticated than people think, especially these days.
		I can remember, well, I was told by some naval military guys about 15 years ago that, and they were talking in terms of years before then, that the Americans had a very sophisticated line-of-sight radar which could actually determine the types of engines from the fan blades of Russian bombers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		That is a wow.
		They get that kind of...
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wouldn't know.
		I don't have the technical expertise to answer that one, Art.
		But certainly the radar is extremely sophisticated and getting increasingly sophisticated, if not completely perfected by now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I can only imagine what the top-level military stuff is able to do.
		They're always way, way ahead of the rest of us.
		That's amazing.
		That's really amazing.
		You can tell the type of an engine on radar, direct-reflect radar.
		Incredible.
		Okay, so I can see how your interest was sparked.
		Now, for me, it didn't take a sighting.
		And it was really funny, Timothy, after I got interested in ufology, really fascinated by it, I had my own little sighting or big sighting.
		And at that point, life changes and you know what you saw.
		And after that, how about you?
		Have you ever had that moment where you saw something that was not in dispute because it was not from here?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have.
		They're very few and far between over the years.
		But the first one was 1963 when it was, I think it was August the 1st, 1963, if memory serves me.
		I was sitting out in the garden of my parents' garden, and we all spotted this brilliant point of light in the sky.
		It was a relatively clear sky.
		And I turned my binoculars on it, and it was like a sort of cone-shaped, triangular-shaped object.
		And photographs were taken by United States Air Force planes.
		Forget the Royal Air Force.
		The U.S. Air Force were there before our people, and they took gun camera film of it.
		And it was a very large object, just suspended, just hanging there for about an hour and a half.
		And as I say, clear photographs were taken.
		In my book, Above Top Secret, I reproduced a photograph taken by a chap on the ground who I knew, a pilot on the ground, who took it through his telescope.
		And it's quite clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You personally observed this, right?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did, for about an hour and a half.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, an hour and a half.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really, really a long sighting.
unidentified		Thousands of people.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Thousands of witnesses all over London and the home counties saw this thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So my question is, after you had that personal experience, did that bring you to a new level, even beyond a sort of casual interest that you mentioned, or even an intense interest from reading that book, given that?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, definitely.
		No question about it.
		I mean, that sort of pinched it for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		So then you began investigating UFO encounters of many, many others.
		Is that a fair assessment of what you've been doing all these years?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		Non-stop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All righty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For the sake of my audience, many of whom are doubters, I would ask you, I think, how you vet when you come upon somebody and a report, and maybe you've got photography, you've certainly got stories, witness stories, how do you vet these things to decide the wheat from the chaff?
unidentified		Oh, it can be very difficult.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Witnesses are vital.
		And, of course, so the caliber of the witness becomes paramount.
		You need to know whether they're absolutely on the level or they're just fantasizing or they're just trying to, you know, pull a wool over your eyes.
		So you have to be very careful.
		But I've met a lot of very genuine witnesses.
		That's for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine you've met both camps.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
		I've lectured to what you Americans call skeptics with a K. We call them S-C-E-P-T-I-C-S.
		We have them over here, too.
		And the amusing thing about the groups that call themselves skeptics is that they're not genuinely skeptical.
		They're debunkers, actually.
		Skepticism is absolutely warranted reaction to all this stuff, anything really bizarre and peculiar.
		But just to debunk it, they should call themselves debunkers rather than skeptics because they just will rubbish everything to do with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, it's been my observation.
		You know, I deal with a lot of photographs.
		You know, when you're doing a talk show about this kind of thing, you get a lot of photographs in.
		Frankly, a lot of them are probably baloney.
		However, here's what I figured out.
		If you have a really, you know, blurry photograph of a UFO, people go, oh, come on.
		Even though somebody grabbed the camera in a hurry, probably was moving as they were in shock almost viewing this craft.
		And, of course, you get a slightly blurry photograph.
		And then on the other end of the scale, Timothy, you have people very rarely with a high-quality camera, fast film, and a steady hand, even in a scary situation.
		And they come up with something that's just astoundingly clear.
		And then that same group of people says, oh, Photoshop.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, and gradients in between.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there will be no photograph that they would say, wow, looks like the real thing.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And, you know, online, I sort of check every day.
		I get sort of Google alerts to the UFO situation stories in the press and media generally and everything.
		And it's very interesting.
		An awful lot of photographs are quite obviously birds that just happen to fly by in mid-flat and get caught in the camera.
		And unfortunately, you can look at those online every day and people think, oh, you know, I didn't see anything at the time.
		Well, you wouldn't normally if a bird zooms by, but people do capture them.
		And a bird, like a seagull in mid-flap, looks like a disc on edge.
		So it's no wonder people are fooled.
		So one has to be very, very careful.
		But as you know, over the years, some great photographs and film have been taken.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
		I know, I know.
		Do you have a favorite?
		I mean, of all the things that you've researched, do you have a favorite?
		One that just sails over every bar that you set?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		A sighting or photographs or what?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, can you be more specific?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I mean to be non-specific, whether it's a sighting, a photograph, a creature, witness encounters, in other words, something that just is over-the-top legit.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can only speak for myself.
		I have had several encounters with people who I believe were aliens.
		And that's the first one was in 1963 when I was touring the United States with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra.
		And I forget exactly where we were.
		All I can remember is that it was about 512 miles from Tucson, something like that.
		It was a 512-mile journey from Tucson, Arizona, to Los Angeles.
		And we were kindly given a one-hour stop during that 512-mile flight to get our evening meal.
		And we stopped at this diner, and I saw, I was with three colleagues, we were sitting by a window, and we'd got our food, and I noticed waiting in line, not that far away, was a very petite, extremely attractive, very unusual-looking girl.
		And there was just something about her which alerted me, and I put out the thought in my mind, if you're from elsewhere, would you mind just passing by and giving me some kind of proof?
		That was all in my mind.
		Like a minute later, when she came out of line, she might have been carrying a cup of coffee or something like that, I can't remember precisely, but she came past the table and did a very low, gracious curtsy and bow, and then she just stood up, deadpan expression, and walked away.
		And, well, I had three witnesses with me, and they said, Tim, what's that all about?
		How did you get to know her?
		And I was mesmerized.
		And that was the first in 63.
		And then in 1967, there was, in some ways, a more convincing one.
		I was staying at what was then the Park Sheraton Hotel.
		I think it's off of 7th Avenue in New York.
		We had a series of concerts at Carnegie Hall with the great Russian cellist Mr. Tslav Rostropovich.
		And he used to conduct the Washington Symphony, by the way, as you probably may recall.
		Great guy.
		And I'd sent out a message.
		I sat in the lobby of the Park Sheraton Hotel, New York, and I sent out a thought.
		If any of you guys from elsewhere are in the New York vicinity, would you please come and sit down beside me and prove it?
		Well, you know, people come and go in hotel lobbies.
		And after about, I don't know, 30, 35 minutes, this chap comes in, and there's something about him.
		He's immaculately dressed, about 5'8, something like that, maybe 5'9.
		I would say tanned, slightly tanned skin, fair wavy hair.
		He was absolutely immaculate.
		He looked at me, he came and sat down beside me.
		He took out an attache case from which he pulled the New York Times and he turned the pages over like every few seconds very, very slowly and deliberately, then folded the newspaper, put It back in his attache case and closed the zip.
		So I thought, okay, here we go.
		So in my mind, I said, right, if you're the guy I'm looking for, would you take your right index finger and hold it to the right side of your nose and keep it there?
		He did immediately.
		He did that immediately.
		And people then say, Tim, why don't you talk to these guys?
		And I just didn't feel it was appropriate somehow.
		But that was it.
		I had my proof in a way that there are people who can read your mind.
		And I've had a couple of other experiences.
		The last one was in Poland about, let me think, probably about eight years ago, I would say, in Wrocław in Poland.
		And I was the featured guest at a prestigious debating salon.
		It was called the Professor Dudek's Salon in Wrocław.
		And I'd never been invited to such a prestigious event.
		And I was the guest of honor, and I had to give a presentation, and then there would be questions from the audience.
		And there were about 80 people there.
		They were mostly retired, I would say, military people.
		There were college professors, psychologists, who were the first to vent their wrath at me after my presentation.
		But that's another story.
		It was very funny.
		There were military guys there who got so outraged by the psychologists that they stood up, and I think one of them had his uniform on, and they said, you don't know what you're talking about.
		We guys have to chase these things.
		My colleague here, and he had another pilot, stood up and said, you know, I've had these things on my wing and everything.
		And it was very, very lively debate.
		I had noticed throughout a very interesting looking person, very similar to the guy that I'd seen back in 1967 in New York, similar olive skin.
		He was a bit thinner.
		He was also immaculately dressed.
		And I just thought there was something about him.
		I tried a bit of telepathy.
		There was no response.
		Anyway, he was the last person to give a short presentation.
		You weren't allowed to talk for, I think, more than about four or five minutes, something like that.
		It might have been a little bit more, I'm not sure.
		But he was the last person to speak.
	The subject of his short speech was Earth's Future in Space.
	And so I thought, gosh, this has got to be interesting.
	I was absolutely fascinated by what he said.
	So I thought, I've got to talk to this guy.
	People say, Tim, why don't you talk to these guys?
	So after the whole thing had finished, he was the last person giving a short presentation.
	He came towards me.
	I put out my hand.
	He held it in a very cold way.
	He just looked at me, unblinking, and he did not say a word.
	I just said to him, I think you have a great deal of knowledge.
	Thank you for your presentation and everything.
	There was absolutely not a flicker.
	And then he walked away.
	I think I gave him my business card, but I've certainly not heard from him.
	But the extraordinary thing is that I then met with my colleagues who were going home.
	None of us had had drinks at that point.
	We certainly had them when we got back to where I was being put up in a converted castle.
	But everybody said, gosh, that was interesting, you know.
	And I said, well, who is that guy?
	And he said, oh, he's often here.
	He's always got something very interesting to say.
	And I said, yes.
	What did he actually discuss?
	And they said, oh, it was about Earth's future in space.
	I said, yes.
	But what did he say?
	Nobody in that room, well, maybe some, but nobody that I was aware of, could remember what he had said.
	And I certainly hadn't a clue.
	It's gone.
	So I just wonder whether that was something that was projected into the minds of the audience subliminally.
	I do not know, but it was slightly disturbing, I have to say.
	And the interesting thing is that the speaker, the guest of honor, is by contract supposed to get an audio tape of the entire proceedings, supposed to get photographs because there were photographers there.
	Yes.
	You're supposed to get this and that.
	I couldn't get a reply from anybody, or even Professor Dudeko, who had invited me.
	Nobody.
	I couldn't get any kind of response whatsoever.
	So that's really just about the end of the story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
		Timothy, I'm going to join with a crowd that says, oh, come on, Timothy, why didn't you take the opportunity to speak to them?
		Why didn't you speak?
unidentified		I did.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		I spoke to him.
		I said, I think you have a great deal of knowledge.
		But I could see he wasn't going to say a word.
		So, you know, I staged him.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, I mean, there could conceivably be so much more you could ask and so many more tests you could run.
		I mean, if you successfully have a guy and you mentally project this to touch his nose.
		Well, all right, a million questions.
		For example, Timothy, aren't you concerned that you really did not connect with somebody from somewhere else, but you do have a talent for projecting suggestions to people, perhaps through telepathy.
		And so that doesn't necessarily mean they're from elsewhere.
		Or when you said if there's anyone from elsewhere, please make yourself known now.
		How do you know you're just not projecting telepathy?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how could you not test it?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		It could be, but there's something about these guys that I've encountered, about their sort of demeanor and the presence.
unidentified		There's just something different about these people for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you from?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you get here?
unidentified		Why are you here?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		You're right, but this chap didn't say anything to me.
		I spoke to him very briefly, and I said, I think you have a great deal of knowledge.
		He said absolutely nothing.
		Well, as did, I mean, I could have spoken to the guy in New York, I'm quite sure, but I just didn't feel it was appropriate, and I just sat there and I thought, well, you know, he might say something to me, but he didn't either.
		So there we are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it is what it is.
		Hold tight.
		Gonna take a quick break here.
		You can relax a little bit, grab a cup of whatever it is you like, or a glass of whatever it is you like, and we'll come back and do more of this.
unidentified		It's dark matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is Timothy Good, all the way from London, England.
unidentified		And interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the best documented case you ever ran into, and it gave me a personal case that I can identify with.
		Now, I know every time I see a really cute girl, I too have metal projections.
		But they've never resulted in even so much as a curtsy.
		Timothy, welcome back.
		So what you gave us, obviously, was a personal best, as it were.
		And you know what?
		I get it.
		If I had done that and people had responded that way, I would also regard that as incredible stuff.
		But I...
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm sure you've had a lot of that, right?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me tell you a little follow-up to that case from Poland eight years ago, which I think it was in Wrocław.
		People say, Tim, why don't you get some pictures of these guys?
		Why don't you talk to them?
		Well, as you know, I tried to talk to the guy, and he didn't say a word.
		He just looked at me with unblinking eyes.
		But I did try and get a photograph in the break because he was actually sitting about 10 feet away, 12 feet maybe at most away from me, among the audience.
		And I got my camera.
		I started doing sort of panoramic shots.
		I needed to take three shots because there were about 80 people there.
		And this was during an interval, in fact, so there weren't that many people.
		So I thought, there'll be a guy sitting there.
		I'll get a shot of him.
		As I got to the area where he was sitting and just about to press the shutter, a voice boomed out and said, the speaker is not allowed to take pictures.
		And I looked around.
		That was a disembodied voice.
		There was nobody to be seen who actually said that to me.
		So I sort of looked blankly around and said, oh, I do apologize.
		So there you are.
unidentified		So you're a conhati.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		In a way, I suppose I am.
		Yes, certainly not a regular one.
		These things happen like every, you know, maybe decades go by and nothing happens.
		But I have had a few encounters of the close kind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Apparently so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, if we move from that to the best documented case that didn't happen to you personally, where would we go?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my goodness, me.
		There are so many art.
		I don't know.
		In many respects, it's a controversial choice, but I have to say, much as George Adamski has been maligned, in my new book, I'm trying to sort of improve his image,
		if you like, by pointing out that he was very serious-minded, he was very knowledgeable, that he actually had a United States government ordinance passed, which gave him access to all military bases, not just throughout the United States, but throughout the world.
		Furthermore, he was consulted by Kennedy, I believe another president, though I'm not sure who it was.
		He was also treated with great respect at the Vatican.
		On several occasions, he had meetings with Pope John XXIII and another meeting, I think, with one of the Pope Pierce.
		I forget the number after following his name, but he did have genuine encounters with aliens.
		Of that, I'm absolutely sure.
		And his photographs, I know quite a bit about photography.
		I have studied them very closely.
		All his photographs are genuine.
		The classic flying saucer, ones from Flying Saucers Have Landed, which many people, the first book for many people to read.
		And he took, many, most of his photographs were taken through, in some cases, a powerful telescope because he was an astronomer.
		He had a telescope in his, you know, where he lived in Palomar terraces.
		And he got some great photographs.
		And the thing is that in my new book, a lot of the information relating to Adamski has been vindicated by other people.
		This is the so-called Amachitsia case, which is extremely controversial.
		I've devoted one long chapter to the Amachitsia case, and I return to it in a later chapter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps you could describe it here.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Essentially, yes, certainly.
		This is something that went on for decades around the world, actually.
		Meetings with aliens who collaborated with some of our scientists and people from all walks of life.
		It went on for a very long time.
		And were it not for the fact that I met one of the people who was involved for 40 years, I would have been extremely skeptical.
		But this was absolutely on the level.
		And the amount of information that has been passed, including technological information provided for me by Professor Stefano Breccia, who sadly died a couple of years ago, I got to know him and my girlfriend and I visited him on two occasions in Italy and we got a tremendous amount of information.
		He was a scientist.
		He'd lectured at the Russian Academy of Sciences and so on and so forth.
		And he had meetings with these people on a regular basis for nearly 40 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Malari, you said he had a great deal of specific technical information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you hit a few high points of that?
unidentified		I'm very interested in putting on the spot there.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll have to just have a look, because technologically, I don't understand a lot of it myself, I have to say, but there is certainly some information.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		If I can just flick through my book here, just to get some information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because anything technical is particularly fascinating to me and many others, even if you don't get it.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Let's just have a look here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no hurry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, anything technical is just wonderful, and I would love to hear it.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		I'm there now.
		Let's just have a look here.
		The type of what Stefano gave me, let's talk about the Adomsky craft.
		Stefano Bretcher told me that much of what he learned attests to the validity of a number of Adomsky's disputed claims and provides a great deal of new scientific and technical data.
		For example, he reports that the Adomsky bell-type craft, the famous ones, which is about either, some people think it was about 27 feet, any measurements go up to 35 feet.
		Adamski's, the one with the three spheres underneath, the classic ones, are very similar to those produced by a race that these people in Italy from all walks of life were involved in with the Amicizia people.
		And there are actual diagrams of the craft showing similarities with some of these craft.
		And Stefano told me that he went with a German engineer in one of these craft on one occasion, which was being monitored at all times by the aliens from their own craft and from their other highly technological instruments which they were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying he claimed to have actually gone onto the craft.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Stefano Bretcher went on this craft which was flown by a German friend of his who had learnt it from these aliens.
		And they let us, they taught us how to fly some of these craft and they have even given us some of these craft.
		I learned, for example, that the Italian Air Force had, there were 10 pilots from the Italian Air Force who had flown these things.
		That was several years ago.
		I don't know what the situation is like today, but there's no question that a lot of this was very real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a very strong statement to say there is no question that it was real when you're talking about aliens having given us craft and apparently trained us in how to build.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		Absolutely.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		In the United States, since the 1950s, I was told we have been given craft, and even some of our astronauts have flown these craft.
		Gordon Cooper, who I knew, who was a supporter of mine, I had the great privilege of knowing.
		I never actually met him, but we corresponded and spoke.
		But he told a friend of mine, who I trust implicitly, that he himself had flown some of these craft on quite a number of occasions.
		And that he was actually prepared back in 1978 to fly one of these craft and land it in front of the United Nations building in New York if it ever came to people wanting proof.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that would be proof all right.
		But I've interviewed Gordon never a peep.
		Many years, many, many years ago, I interviewed Gordon, and never a peep about that.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, these guys keep their secrets, you know, but certainly he told someone that I know, obviously who I wouldn't name.
		He gave a lot of information away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These are extraordinary claims.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what is it that causes you to believe these to be true?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		I think, well, I never, as I say, I never had face-to-face conversations with Gordon Cooper, but I just found him convincing the way he dealt with people.
		Other people have to.
		But there's certainly no proof.
		I can't prove it, and I'm sure, as I say, I'm told that other astronauts have been flying these craft, but it's not something I'm in a position to prove.
		I wish I could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wish you could, too.
		You know, it does kind of get to extraordinary claims and extraordinary evidence and all of that.
		It's very interesting, but boy, oh, boy, oh, boy.
		And here's somebody writing to me, John, able to send me a message on the computer through something we call the wormhole.
		He says, Roswells aren't.
		I believe Timothy wrote in Above Top Secret that Neil Armstrong witnessed UFOs on the moon.
		Can you ask them about that?
		I wrote NASA, and they sent me a form letter of denial.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me tell you something.
		I had a friend, she's deceased now, a very good friend, called Pamela Hanford.
		I've been able to name her.
		I did allude to the case in Above Top Secret, but I've gone into much more detail in my new book.
		And I've named her, Pamela Hanford.
		She'd served with Britain's Secret Intelligence Service, better known as MI6.
		And I once asked about her background in that clandestine organization.
		And she said, bearing in mind that I'm still firmly bound by the Official Secrets Act, all I can tell you is that I trained with the School of Military Intelligence in those days at Mearsfield Park and did my parachute training with the London 21st.
		I was trained for the Russian front, learnt Russian, and came under MI6's umbrella.
		Because of the sensitivity of the field work, I can tell you nothing more.
		Now, she was invited to a classified conference by NASA.
		This conference was held at several venues in Italy in 1984, including the Europa Palace Hotel in Anna Capri.
		Now, some of the astronauts were staying there, and Pamela actually overheard a conversation.
		She was probably taping it, I guess, now, looking back on it.
		But she had a conversation in the next room, because Neil Armstrong actually was in the bedroom next to hers, and Buzz Aldrin was in the one beyond that.
		But she had this conversation with a professor Herbert Schwartz, with Armstrong, and I think she recorded it.
		And this Professor Schwartz said, what really happened out there with Apollo 11?
		He was asking Armstrong, Armstrong.
		It was incredible.
		Of course, we'd always known there was a possibility.
		The fact is, we were warned off.
		There was never any question of our building a space station or a moon city.
		And then Professor Schwartz says, well, how do you mean warned off?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I would have asked.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Right, Armstrong.
		I can't go into details except to say that their ships were far superior to ours, both in size and technology.
		Boy, were they big and menacing.
		No, there is no question of a space station, so he claimed.
		And then Schwartz says, but NASA had other missions after Apollo 11.
		Armstrong said, naturally, NASA was committed at that time and couldn't risk a panic on Earth, but it really was a quick trip and back again.
		Now, later that day, Pamela confronted Armstrong, who confirmed that the story was true but refused to go into any further detail beyond admitting that the Central Intelligence Agency was behind the cover-up.
		But officially, of course, he denied everything.
		There were no objects reported found or seen on Apollo 11 or any other Apollo flight other than of natural origin, is what Armstrong told me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I will say this, Timothy.
		I have interviewed quite a large number of astronauts, and their interviews are always riveting, and they're always puzzling.
		In one case, I spoke to an astronaut who could not remember what it was like to be on the moon.
		And I found that to be really puzzling.
		Yes, good Lord is a way to put it.
		But he was being absolutely honest, and he said, you know, I said Edgar Mitchell.
		You know, please give me a sense of how it felt, how your emotions were, what it felt like beneath your feet, what you were thinking about as you looked at the landscape, as you looked at the stars, and realized you were standing on the moon.
		And you said, Art, it's really strange.
		I can't give you that.
		I can't give you that.
		And, you know, that's just beyond all reason.
		How could you, it would be the high point of certainly an astronaut's life to walk on the moon.
		I guess you could be in some sort of state of shock, perhaps, but gosh, you would be making, or I would be making, I can only relate it to myself, really hard mental notes about everything I saw, touched, felt, experienced.
		I would lock that in my memory for all time.
		So did you hear that Armstrong, who was a very quiet guy?
		I mean, he's had so little in public all these years, actually said that they were warned off the moon by gigantic craft.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		That's what he told my friend Pamela anyway.
		And Pamela also told me that the United States was in contact with a certain planet.
		She didn't give me what planet or anything, but they were having regular communications and meetings and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mentioned that somebody saw the Pope.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		That's George Adams.
unidentified		He had on several occasions with George.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My question, Timothy, is, did he have a conversation with the Pope about this subject?
		And if so, what did the Pope say?
		Do you know offhand?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can describe, there was one meeting he had, a private audience at the Vatican with the then ailing Pope John XXIII, that was in 1963, to deliver an important package he said that he had been given to him by one of his alien contacts, and this was to be delivered to Pope John XXIII.
		When he came out, this is what my friend Lou Zinstag, who accompanied him, of course she wasn't allowed into the Vatican, but she was with another friend, and she said that when George came out, he was grinning like a monkey.
		He said, I was received by the Pope.
		He gave me his blessing, and I gave him the message.
		And he told my friend that the Pope was not lying in the room above St. Peter's Square, as the people had been told, but that his bedroom faced the most beautiful part of the Vatican Garden.
		And Ademsky thought, if you ask me, the Pope is hardly a dying man.
		They haven't yet tried to operate on him, but I'm sure that's what they will do soon.
		Anyway, poor Pope John died a few days later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know the nature of the message that he delivered?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Ademsky never gave that away.
		And what the Pope said was, my son, this is what I have been waiting for.
		And then he spoke privately in a very low and soft voice for a few minutes to Ademsky.
		And I think his last words to Ademsky were, my son, don't worry, we will make it.
		And then Adamsky was ushered out.
		And Pope John died two days later, apparently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, what a story.
		Okay, you're just sort of blowing me away here with all kinds of things that I had not heard previously.
		And don't we wish we knew the nature of that message?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
		I think that the Vatican has a very good intelligence service, and I think they're very well informed about this subject.
		I don't think one can say the same for the Church of England, the Protestant Church of England over in the United Kingdom.
		I don't think there's very little interest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Timothy, there have been some, I believe, bishops who have made some amazing statements in recent years from the Vatican, right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know the nature of them?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Well, for example, in 2008, Pope Benedict, I think it's the 15th, I can't read here, actually, sorry, it's Pope Benedict, in Pope Benedict, let it be known that there is no conflict between believing in God and in the possibility of extraterrestrial brothers, perhaps more evolved than humans.
		And also in an interview with the Vatican's official newspaper, Father José Funes, a Jesuit then in charge of the Vatican's observatory, who's an expert on galaxies, said, astronomers believe that the universe is formed of hundreds of millions of galaxies, and in these are hundreds of millions of stars.
		Many of these, or all of them, could contain planets.
		So how can we exclude that developed life cannot be elsewhere?
		It's possible to believe in God and extraterrestrials without bringing into question our own faith.
		So I think that, you know, that's quite interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know the Vatican has a number of telescopes, Timothy.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Yes, out in Arizona, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Out for one, yes.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I think it's a reasonable question to ask what the Vatican's expectation is that drove them to build such a large telescope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are they looking for, in other words?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I assume that there's a genuine interest in astronomy and what the heavens contain.
		There always has been, I believe, certainly tremendous interest in the Vatican.
		But beyond that, I don't know.
		But I think there's a lot of knowledge in the Vatican, which is not the case, certainly, in my country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess I'm wondering if they have knowledge of something they should be looking for.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		I can't help you with that.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know as a fine answer if you really don't know.
		Timothy Goode is my guest.
		And I guess we're talking about alien contact, eh?
		Just as Timothy Goode with some amazing stuff.
		Absolutely amazing.
		And here he is once again.
		Timothy, you're back on the air again.
		And there are many doubters out there with regard to what you're saying, you can imagine.
		Good.
		I did get this, though, from Raymond.
		The Apollo 11 crew did see and admit publicly to seeing an unknown object on their flight to the moon.
		Apollo 12 encountered it as well, and they took a picture that was released to the public.
		I met Neil, Neil Armstrong, and he said it was an unknown, not alien.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		I know Buzz Aldrin thought it was certainly very unknown because he's written about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		It may be your approach, Timothy, but here's another one.
		This is from Lone Voice, whoever that is.
		Good evening.
		Timothy Goode is making me sad.
		He sounds unwell.
		As for his appearance tonight, I began with an open mind.
		Now it seems he has nothing but hearsay that he trusts implicitly.
		Therefore, it must be true.
		Sad.
		So with what you've said, I do personally understand, Timothy, that if you had experienced the things you did personally, to you they would be as true as true can be, and you've done nothing to pass it along, and that's fine.
		But some of these other things about craft being given to us and being flown by astronauts and so forth and so on, I guess people are disappointed at the claims and then not so much to support them.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Well, I certainly can't prove it, but I've just been informed by reliable sources.
		As I mentioned, a very close friend of Gordon Cooper told me that he, Cooper, had himself flown the craft and that many of his colleagues had flown these craft.
		I can't prove that.
		And as far as Gordon Moore is concerned, I'm very well.
		Thank you very much.
		It's a little early in the morning here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess you're about eight hours ahead of us, right?
unidentified		You're in D.C. You're in D.C. No, no, heavens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Heavens, no.
unidentified		Where are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My board operator is in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, my board operator is in D.C. I'm in the state of Nevada near Las Vegas.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my goodness me.
		You're about eight hours away.
		Yeah, I would say.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About eight hours.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Great.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Area 51, Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it's just over the hill from me.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Literally over the hill.
		I can look at the hill that divides myself from Area 51.
		And when I take the backway to go to Las Vegas, I can pass very near it.
		Or I can drive right to the mailbox.
		I mean, I'm that close.
		I'm as close as anybody you'll talk to.
		Okay, let's attempt a gear shift here.
		If I ask you for the best documented case that you know of that doesn't cite third parties and doesn't involve personal experience, then where would you go?
		And now I'm talking about quality of photographs and or artifacts or something that is verifiable.
		or do we never get there?
		Is there nothing that you would personally consider to be an Yeah, that's the problem.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I've known people who've had close encounters with landed craft and so forth, but they didn't get any pictures of them or anything, so it's frustrating in that respect.
		But certainly Adamski has had plenty of photographic evidence and film evidence.
		For example, one which is sometimes overlooked, but I have written about it in my books before, but there's a description of the visit in 1965 of a craft to where my friend Madeline Rodefer was staying at the time that Adamski just, you know, it was like a few weeks before he died.
		She was looking after him.
		And he actually filmed a craft in full view of my friend Madeline, a craft that came right over the front lawn, the front yard of their house in Silver Spring, Maryland.
		And it was there for quite some time and terrific movie film was taken and I've reproduced clips in my books of that and everything.
		And the craft was about 27 feet in diameter, according to a scientist who evaluated the films and took George Adamski with the film to the Eastman Kodak Company in Rochester, New York State.
		And they were almost impressed by the film.
		I've got copies of the film.
		I've reproduced pictures of the craft showing how the propulsion system produces a distortion process around it.
		And I find that very convincing.
		Now, let me tell you that eventually the craft went away, of course, and the film was evaluated by an optical physicist called Bill Sherwood.
		And as I say, Adamski was taken up with the film to Rochester, where these scientists were most impressed by it.
		But in 1998, I was invited to the Pentagon, the Defense Airborne Reconnaissance Office, which you cited in my introduction.
		And it was only a half-hour visit, and I expected a one-to-one with the general in charge of the Defense Airborne Reconnaissance Office, General Kenneth Israel.
		And when I got there, there were about, I guess, 25 people in the room.
		Nearly all of them were young people from various services.
		Some of them didn't look more than 17, 18, from Army, Navy, Air Force.
		And they were all very attentive.
		And I thought, well, goodness me, you know, I'm not here to give a presentation, but I was asked to by General Israel.
		And he'd first of all shown me, he said, Timothy, this is what I do.
		And he showed me pictures of drones flying here, there, and everywhere, because that's the Defense Airborne Reconnaissance Office, which handles the unmanned spy planes.
		And he says, now you tell us what you do.
		And so I talked about that film.
		I said, well, you know, there's a case outside of Washington, downtown in Silver Spring, Maryland.
		And he said, Timothy, he didn't say this to everybody, but he said to me, sort of privately, he said, I think you'll find that that film is absolutely genuine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You said the Domsky case was.
		One of the best.
		But you also said controversial, right?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what is controversial about it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've given me some pretty good stuff here about the film.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		In other words, he claimed, for example, to have met Venusians and Martians and stuff like that.
		But I think he was certainly very sincere, and I knew a lot of people who knew him well.
		And since I myself had encounters with people similar to those he described who were obviously highly telepathic, it kind of reinforces my belief, if you like.
		Belief's not the best word to use, but that is the case.
		I certainly can't prove it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand.
		But even you should be given pause when he claims to have met with Martians.
		Now, we're pretty familiar with the current state of Mars.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Well, and yes, but not everything is revealed.
		I mean, it's quite possible that there are bases on Mars which are used not just by aliens, but by our own people.
		I don't know how aware you are of the activities of U.S. Air Force Space Command, but there's a lot of information that they have had their own shuttle fleet for decades operating from an island in the Pacific Ocean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard this.
		I've actually heard this.
		That we have a complete secret space program.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and this information came to me from Paul La Violette, an excellent book.
		I forgot the title of it, but I've cited it in my book.
		And I met the guy, and he's very, very convincing.
		And he says that there have been regular shuttle flights by U.S. Air Force Space Command to Mars.
		So, you know, not everything we're told is true.
		And I believe Paul Laviolette and the information that he's acquired over years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		So you believe that we have bases on Mars.
		What about the moon?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Same.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		of basically that as well.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If we did have such a thing, and if we had a secret space fleet, and I've considered this because I've been told this by many, including, by the way, Richard C. Hoagland.
		I think he has that belief.
		I would ask a lot of, I guess, impertinent questions like, well, we've got a lot of amateur astronomers.
		Surely they would have noticed craft on the way to the moon and Mars and such coming and going, that that would be something somebody would catch.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Well, Adamski certainly did.
		He was the first to catch them since, you know, like 1949.
		He started taking films through his telescope, and some of his photographs are absolutely superb, showing some of the giant mother craft, and as well as some of the smaller craft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said his film was examined by who?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Eastman Kodak in Rocky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eastman Kodak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that really was back when we had film.
unidentified		Yeah, old 8mm film.
		Okay.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Eastman Code...
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Well, if they did, I'm not aware of it, but certainly I know that a lot of investigations were made at the time.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		As to a report from Eastman Kodak that's been published, I'm not aware of it.
unidentified		I would have heard about it, I'm sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you would have, yes.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they consider it too sensitive or too embarrassing to talk.
unidentified		I mean, I don't know.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		I could file a Freedom of Information Act request, I suppose, which I last did with NASA a couple of years ago, which was quite amusing.
		Under the Freedom of Information, I asked about that classified conference that took place in Italy, which I referenced a while back.
		If you remember, my friend Pamela Hanford was there, and there was Neil Armstrong and Buzz Alden and German professor, Professor Schwartz, lots of, lots of other people.
		It was a classified conference.
		I filed a Freedom of Information FOIA request to NASA, and they said no such conference took place.
		And, you know, a friend of mine gave a presentation there, so that's nonsense.
		So clearly they're lying about stuff.
		And then, quite casually, my partner, my girlfriend, just Googled the conference, and there's some details of it actually online.
		So it's actually nonsense what, you know, it's just ridiculous filing a Freedom of Information Act to find out that they say it never happened, it didn't take place.
		But there is strong evidence that it certainly did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess you've got to try.
		Yeah.
		Now, you're also claiming a big technological transfer from alien beings to human beings.
		They have given us a great deal of technical information.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		No questions about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know of what sort?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can give you one example.
		There's a guy called Carl Anderson who there's a chapter, I think it's chapter seven.
		In 1954, he was with his family and relatives who they witnessed the landing of a disk-shaped craft on two occasions in the Mojave Desert.
		And several of the witnesses signed sworn affidavits testifying to these events, and I've reproduced one of those.
		And a few years later, Carl Anderson claimed to have been taken up in a craft and given instructions relating to alien propulsion technology, which he was asked to pass on to some distinguished scientists, for example, Professor Herman Oberth, who I met in person, by the way, I went to his home, and Dr. Werner von Braun.
		Thus began a transfer of alien technology to our Earth scientists.
		So that has been going on for a very long time, and we have the technology.
		And many, as I say, many U.S. Air Force pilots have been flying these things since the 1950s.
		These craft have been given us.
		Now, you might ask, why on earth would they give us such advanced technology?
		The reason is simple.
		Earth is absolutely of prime importance in this neck of the woods.
		Obviously, not in the galaxy.
		It's certainly not unique in the galaxy.
		But in this neck of the woods, it's unique, and others have vested interests in this planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you tell me why we are that important?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Because they say it's unique in this neck of the woods, and they have a vested interest in it.
		And furthermore, there is a serious threat from other races to this planet.
		There is a conflict situation which has been going on maybe for thousands of years.
		I don't know.
		But some aliens have been based here for millennia, in my opinion.
		And they say that there is a threat to Earth and that the greatest threat is posed by some races who want to take over.
		And I've gone into a lot of detail about that.
		We're talking about the guys who, the critters mostly, I'm told, who are involved in the so-called abductions.
		And the purpose of the abductions is to create a hybridized race which will be more suitable to adapt to planet Earth.
		So there is a takeover bid, or was.
		I do not know what the situation is like now, but that is what I have learnt.
		And it seems, you know, these things are likely, after all, we plan to go to Mars.
		I said plan, you know, we're already there as the U.S. Air Force Space Command is alleged to be there.
unidentified		So there are...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, do you know what races or beings are involved in this conflict and why?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Well, the beings that are involved are the so-called some of the bug-eyed beings.
		I mean, there are different varieties of these smaller critters, that's for sure.
		But I think what I've been told is that these creatures have or had a long-term plan to create a race of alien human hybrids purportedly to make us more peaceful.
		Their true purpose, however, I have been told by a Washington source, is to create a passive human race incapable of violence by eradicating the human emotions that enable us to survive, thus laying us open to conquest.
		Now, as I say, you know, if this has been a long-term stratagem, I've yet to see much evidence of the human race becoming less violent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was about to suggest exactly the same thing, and I have only to read tonight's news here in the U.S. to absolutely confirm that fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If that's what they're trying to do, it's not working.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		No, well, I hope not.
		But I'm told that a number of their bases were guarded or are guarded by elements of the United States military.
		And that a select cell within the Army worked with other security cells in Air Force and Navy.
		And around 100 personnel from the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, AFOSI, were involved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just said we are guarding their bases here, yes?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Some of the aliens are guarding our bases, that's for sure, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, guarding our bases?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on a sec.
		Let's get this straight.
		Who's guarding whose bases?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		I've been told that some of our own military are guarding alien bases to a certain extent.
		And I don't know if that was going...
		I do not know if that is still happening.
		I have no idea what's going on right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did anybody ever mention where any of these bases were located?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		But as I say, this was part of what was called Project Aquarius, allegedly, and a number of these bases were guarded by elements of the U.S. military from Project Aquarius.
		Also, Air Force Office of Special Investigations were involved.
		Well, they deal more or less full-time with the UFO situation, as you probably know.
		And when I had that meeting at the Defense Airborne Reconnaissance Office with General Israel, he confirmed for me that Afosi was involved in investigations since the phenomenon seemed to him to be more of a policing problem rather than one affecting national security, which is an interesting comment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
		Adamski referred to one craft 3,000 feet in length.
		Is that correct?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I believe so.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		There are these alleged huge motherships, absolutely huge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One would think that they would be absolutely spotted and photographed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they're so big that if they were actually hovering within Earth's envelope atmosphere, they would be really photographed a lot.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are quite a number of photographs taken not just by Adamski, but of others of these close-ups of some of these huge craft, which there are photographs which are available.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody always asks why they show up in all of these remote places and don't fly over major cities in the world, London, New York, LA.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Well, the thing is they do, but it's rare, I have to say.
		For example, in 1955, in a suburb of London, this was in July 1955, there was a heat wave at the time, two flying saucers landed in Bexley Heath, suburb of London, and a friend of mine was one of the witnesses, Margaret Fry, she's still alive to this day, very good youufer researcher.
		And she saw this thing, she was traveling with her doctor to take one of her sons to the hospital and to the doctor's surgery.
		And suddenly the car engine conked out and the car drew to a halt and this craft landed like about 20 feet away from them.
		And it was about 30 feet in diameter.
		Nobody got out of it.
		And I reproduced a sketch done by Margaret Frye of that craft.
		And a few days earlier, in another part of that town, which is part of the greater London area, another craft landed, slightly different shape.
		And there were over 100 witnesses.
		And the Ministry of Defence tried to confiscate all sorts of information from people about it and asked people not to talk about it.
		It was in the interests of national security to talk about it.
		And so it was sort of kept, it was dampened down for years until Margaret and some other people came forward.
		And I've spoken to several of the witnesses, and I'm convinced it's very, very credible.
		And these things have landed in other countries, many other countries as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Timothy, somebody who names himself Cardiopanic, interesting name, apparently wants to test his heart and is asking you where we can see film or pictures that you were talking about, Adamski, pictures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Surely they're on the web somewhere from Canada.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've got a few in my new book, including one that's very seldom reproduced, which is a close-up through a telescope Adamski took of one of these bell-shaped craft.
		And often that picture isn't fully reproduced.
		I have reproduced the entire picture, which gives a better perspective of the whole thing.
		So that's in the new book.
		But other pictures I've published of quite a lot of the Adamsky pictures in previous books, like Beyond Top Secret, Above Top Secret, and some other books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		What we're going to do here is take a brief pause and pick up on this.
		You might consider whether there's anywhere on the web that we can find these things.
		Just take a quick look.
		I'm sure the advanced photographs are there somewhere.
		From the high desert and the great American Southwest.
		This is Dark Matter.
		All right.
		Timothy Good is my guest.
		And here is a question that comes in for you, Timothy, from Rich of Pennsylvania.
		He says, incredibly speculative.
		Instead of only referencing evidence of others, some pictures or actual evidence would be great.
		We are unique, and there is a conflict over us, but why and who.
		So let me reference the first, the Adompsky pictures.
		Are they available on the web as well?
		Do you know?
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Do you know?
		I've never looked at it.
		I've never looked at because I've got them all, including some original prints.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, listen, it has been quite an evening, and I want to thank you for being on.
		We're going to cut it a little short here.
		But again, I want to thank you for being on and joining us tonight.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		It's my pleasure, Art.
timothy good ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Take care, and I hope the weather treats you well in London.
		And once again, thank you for being on the program.
		And that's kind of where I'm going to hold it right now.
		And what we're going to do is open lines.
		So back there in D.C., Evan, open the lines right now.
		That's, by the way, the name of my abort op in Washington, D.C. His name is Evan.
		And now Evan is going to answer the phone and probably ask you your name and where you're calling from.
		But that's all.
		And I would like to specify the reason we're doing that is because that will avoid the painful Is It Me question.
		I do understand that when you get on the air, it is difficult to know that you're the one.
		We have many, many lines attached to all but one number.
		And that number, by the way, is 855-REALUFO.
		855-REAL UFO on your phone.
		Or 855-732-5836.
		We are going to do unscreened calls.
		Now, you might say, well, that is screening.
		Only so that we can avoid that.
		They're not going to toss you for one reason or any reason.
		They're simply going to ask you your name and perhaps where you're located.
		And after that is done, you're going to be on with whatever you want to talk about.
		So you're not going to get rejected for any reason.
		I want to specify it is open lines.
		And I would be interested in your reaction to Timothy Goode, among other things.
		There are a very great deal we can talk about tonight.
		But I'm going to ask your reaction to Timothy, and mine was...
		I'm not going to give you my reaction.
		How about that?
		I'm going To allow you to state your reaction.
		And eventually, I'm sure you'll, if you don't already know what it is, you'll get mine.
		Let's see, how can I put this?
		You know what?
		I'm not going to put it at all.
		I'm simply going to allow you to react to what you heard.
		And we'll go from there.
		How's that?
		Let us begin in New York with Pete.
		You're on the air, Pete.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Am I getting any noise on my signal tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little bit, but it's not bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll put up with it.
unidentified		If I take it off speaker, let me take it off speakerphone.
unidentified		Maybe I try to speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Never, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody, never, ever call on a speakerphone.
unidentified		Never, never.
		I did that the other night.
		I should have been on my transmitter and talked to me on AM.
		I probably would have done a lot better.
		All right, anyways.
		Very interesting with your guest tonight.
		And I'm going to kind of not really go off subject, but in regards to UFOs and such, there's an area in New York up on the Tug Hill area called Happy Valley.
		Are you familiar with that at all?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am not.
unidentified		Okay, because there's been a lot, I guess, some activity up there with UFOs.
unidentified		There's been people up there recording different things, and there's been ghostly activity up there that they really claim is happening there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you talking about something that's current happening now?
unidentified		Well, if you Google it, over the past several years, there's been different issues, or not issues, but sightings and claims that have been going on up there.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there any photographs to go with the claims?
unidentified		I'm sorry.
unidentified		Is there any sort of what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there any photographs to go with the claims?
unidentified		There's some video in there that I've, you know, YouTube videos and stuff that people have recorded, but I personally didn't see a lot in there, but they make it sound like it's well known.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		When I said, is it contemporary, I meant, you know, the last several weeks, several months.
		What are we talking about?
unidentified		I'm speaking probably within the last maybe 10 years, within 10 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so the last decade.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One would imagine in that span of time, if there was a great deal of activity, that there would have been some photographs to go with.
unidentified		Yeah, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, we live in such a different age now, and I guess the age we live in demands proof beyond, you know, a friend told me.
unidentified		Exactly, exactly.
		Yeah, I do understand that.
		I really try to investigate as much as I can, but as far as what I can find on that, anything, it's the only things I'm finding are internet sources and how that works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I do.
		I do indeed.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, thank you very much.
		The last thing in the world that I wanted to be was rude to Timothy Goode because he's got, in ufology, quite a reputation.
		But we do live in a different age now, right?
		An age where some level of first person is required for extraordinary claims.
		And if not first person, then some evidence to go along with.
		And now, the Adomsky story, for example, I know there are a lot of older photographs associated with it.
		And the fact that Kodak examined them certainly is interesting.
		But again, we ran into a situation where the only evidence we had was somebody's word that they had heard that Kodak had looked at them, that sort of thing.
		So there you have it.
		Utah brings Mike.
		Mike, welcome to Open Lines.
unidentified		Megha Roswells, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And might I say, you're the cure.
		You're the anecdote for five-hour energy for us drivers out here on the highway.
		I really appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
unidentified		I just want to tell you, I've seen a UFO with my own eyes too, Art, and it's changed my life the whole time.
		I was a young man when I seen it, but I've never ever forgot it.
		But when we first saw it, we thought it was a piece of newspaper that flew out of somebody's chimney flying around from the distance.
		We were coming back from dinner up there in Sandy, Utah, and we stood out there, watched it for 10 minutes.
		And you wanted to think it was a balloon or something like that, but it made no sound other than a whooshing sound, like blowing air.
		And there was flame underneath it and the whole bit, just like hovering.
		We thought it was a hot air balloon got away from somebody.
		But anyway, as we was watching it, my dad went in to get a camera and he came back out.
		As soon as he hit the door, that thing took off across the sky towards what we call the point of the mountain where the prison is, and it was gone like in a split second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, I do understand.
		That's something.
		Now, you described it at one point as maybe a newspaper floating.
unidentified		Yeah, when we stopped, we was like several miles away.
unidentified		We thought somebody, back then they had the fireplaces, you know, that you still burnt in the wall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, what I'm asking is, did it get any closer to you than that?
unidentified		No, it just hovered above, right above our subdivision there, right above our street, basically.
		And when I was a young man, too, we also saw a balloon that got away from a road show or something they was doing.
		You know, one of them that they'd give you rides in it with a rope and it broke loose.
		And that's what it reminded me of.
		And there was people in it when that broke loose and it finally crash-landed somewhere several miles away.
		But when we saw it, we thought that's what it was.
		Your mind kept wanting to tell you it was a helicopter or something like that.
		But as it turned out, whatever it was, it was supersonic.
		I mean, it took off and it was gone, just hovering above the subdivision.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, that's the kind of thing, thank you very much, that will convince you.
		Newspapers don't take off supersonically.
		And there is a division now in the world, and it's between those who have seen personally these things and those who have not.
		And I do truly understand the doubt of those who have not seen.
		There's nothing like seeing with your own eyes.
		It changes you, and you will always remain utterly changed.
		But if you haven't seen it and you're only hearing descriptions, or worse yet, my best friend talked to somebody who saw, you know, just it's not enough.
		It's not convincing in any way.
		And maybe it is that we live now in a different, more modern age.
		I don't know.
		Let's go to California and Gordon, I believe it is.
		Gordon?
unidentified		Yes.
		Hello.
		I'm glad to have reached you.
		I've got a couple of things.
		One is something that I saw personally, and this was 30 years ago when I was a kid.
		But what looked like a meteor streaking across the sky, and I thought, wow, that's really cool.
		And then all of a sudden it made a right angle.
		I said, okay, meteors do not do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But, you know, it was so far away, it was just like a streak of light.
		But I have an opinion that I would like to throw out there.
		You hear a lot of people saying, okay, if we do have aliens coming here, why?
		Why would they come to this little blue dot in the middle of the galaxy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's really what I wanted to ask Timothy, but he didn't have an answer for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If they're fighting over us, if we are in some way special, I would really, really love to know what that is.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I have an opinion.
		Have you ever read or heard of a book called the Your Ramcha Book?
		Yes.
		Okay.
		Then have you read it?
		Are you familiar with it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		Could it be possible that they're coming here because of what they call the world of the cross?
		Oh, you want to explain that?
		Okay, according to the Uranik, who we call Jesus Christ, the Urani book calls Christ Michael, is the sovereign for our local universe.
		He served his last sojourn, his seventh sojourn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we're starting to lose you.
unidentified		Okay.
		Anyway, he's the sovereign, supposedly, of our universe, yet he served, he became human to experience being human on earth.
		And these other worlds apparently are aware of that.
		And could they be coming here because we are what they call the world of the cross where Christ died?
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't deny that any of that could be.
		I have talked to people, for example, like John Lear.
		And John gets pretty far out there in his description of human beings as containers and that the fight is over our collective souls.
		And John told quite a reasonable story.
		I mean, out there, but in terms of believability, he actually came forth with an explanation that it is a fight over our souls, and one might imagine that to be true.
		What do you think?
		That's the special something about us.
		Oklahoma brings Stu.
		Hello, Stu.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I was calling about, is this Mr. Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be me.
unidentified		Oh, sevens and threes to you, many Roswells.
unidentified		I've got a question about if we'll ever get to hear a guest talk about like number stations on shortwave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen the movie?
unidentified		No, I have not.
unidentified		That's what I was kind of preferencing it to, because I hear there's a new movie coming out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's already out.
		Yes, it's called The Numbers Station.
		It's actually quite good.
		I watched it, I think, a couple of weeks ago, and it's very well done.
		Are you familiar with numbers stations?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Well, as far as UVB76 and the others out of China, but not any stateside ones, no, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, there are on shortwave, folks, for real numbers stations.
		I should have recorded one of them, and I will record one of them.
		You will encounter them on virtually any frequency on the shortwave band.
		And when you do, you will hear a young lady normally simply sitting there reading something like this.
		9, 17, 24, 99, 97.
		And it just goes on and on and on.
		And it is a popular belief that these are spy stations.
		That these codes are given out to bring specific instructions to agents around the world in foreign countries.
		And that's, of course, the premise of the movie called The Number Stations.
		It's kind of interesting.
		Frankly, when I watched the movie, my expectations were not very high, and they were exceeded.
		It was quite good.
		It's a good drama.
		And in real life, number stations are quite interesting.
		Let's go to Georgia and Chris.
unidentified		Regarding what the previous caller was talking about, maybe why aliens visit us, maybe they know that we're as unique as they are.
unidentified		Maybe it's just us and them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think if there is anything unique about us, it's going to be our souls.
		And that's where I kind of agree with John Lear.
		I mean, otherwise we're interesting.
		We're an evolved life form, at least to some degree, right?
		Some more than others, I would add.
		But if there's a reason to be interested in us, it's got to be something more than we understand presently, I would think.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, listen, it's a pleasure to talk to you.
		And it was only a couple of years ago when I said to myself, I wish I had a chance to talk to Art Bell.
		And now I get that chance again.
		But anyway, I'm in my mid-40s, and I wanted to tell you about something that happened to me when I was younger.
		And it was real profound.
		It may not sound profound with my explanation, but it was a pretty big deal looking back on it.
		But when I was a teenager, I worked at a local dairy queen in a small town, and I was a new kid in town.
		And after work at night, the other kids, they just wanted to take me out and show me around.
		And they took me up to this mountain.
		It was kind of in the country and in the hills.
		So we went up to, they were country folk, and we went up into this mountain, and they said, oh, there's this cave up there.
		It's a haunted cave.
		So some other kids from work, it was some guys and some girls.
		We go up into that cave into the mountain.
		And there's this one particular girl that I was, you know, playing around with and teasing at work all the time.
		And she was with the group.
		And when we were walking into the cave, there was this little nook or like a place where I could kind of dip into like this hole and crevice and hide.
		And I figured, well, on our way out, I'm going to stick it, I'm going to dip into this crevice, hide, and I'm going to scare this girl coming out.
		And so I get into this crevice and I'm about to jump out and scare this girl.
		And I was so excited I couldn't contain myself.
		But just as I'm about to jump out, I feel this hand come up onto my chest and physically push me back up against the wall of that cave.
		And I kind of went into this sort of hard to breathe, kind of like a trance-like state, but I couldn't do anything.
		And it was literally like a physical hand pushing me up against the wall.
		So the kids milled by.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you still plastered up against the wall as the girl came by?
unidentified		Well, yeah, I was.
		And, you know, and what happened was just such a shock to me.
		I really kind of just forgot about what was going on.
		And they milled by.
		And, you know, I just, I came out of it, and the feeling went away.
		And I followed everybody else out of the cave.
		And we get out of the cave, and everybody was going, oh, that was pretty cool.
		And the girl's naturally going, well, I was so scared that was creepy.
		Well, the girl that I was going to jump out and grab, she jumps up and says, well, I wasn't scared of anything.
		I was ready for it.
		And she was holding a .38-caliber revolver in her hand.
		And I'm just wondering, you know, what was that?
		I mean, it wasn't like an intuition or an instinct because I was about to leap out and grab that girl.
		That was my full intention was to jump out, grab her, scare her, and get a big laugh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, an iron hand saved your butt.
unidentified		You can say that, but it was very profound.
unidentified		And I'm just wondering if anybody has ever experienced anything like that before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the whole story.
		I'll give you that.
		Pretty cool, actually.
unidentified		Well, see, the thing is, it happened one more time about five or six years later at a red light where the red light turned green.
		I'm the lead car in the intersection, and that unseen hand is back on my chest, and I can't really think or breathe or concentrate or do anything for about five seconds.
		And when it goes away, the cars behind me honk their horn, and I proceed into the intersection just in time to stop as a truck runs the red light just where I would have been had that not had happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you have a guardian hand in your life.
unidentified		Well, I'm just wondering if that's ever happened to anybody else, because why would that happen to me?
		People get accidentally shot all the time.
		People get keybunged in intersections all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you have been saved by the guardian hand.
unidentified		I don't know why, because there's nothing special about me.
		I'll tell you that.
		I'm just a little guy that lives with two dogs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is now.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's one whale of a story.
		Saved by the hand.
		Way better than talk to the hand, right?
		Saved by the hand.
		Had his life saved twice by the hand.
		Anybody else out there experience anything like that?
		Actually, that's a pretty cool story.
		David, in Oklahoma, you're on the air, hi.
unidentified		Roswell's art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks.
unidentified		Yeah, back in 1999, I lived in Mount Vernon, Indiana.
		It goes along, it's nothing but cornfields all the way from the, it's about five miles from Illinois state line, and if you followed I-64, it ends up at Scotts Air Force Base.
		I've heard stories before that Scott's Air Force Base had UFOs.
		Well, back in 1999, me and my kid's mom just got home.
		It was about 9.30 at night.
		And I looked off toward the Wabash River toward Illinois.
		And here come this light toward us.
		She goes on in, takes a shower.
		I get the kids out, take them into bed, come back out.
		I'm getting groceries out.
		And I just stopped because this thing is just coming so low.
		It flies completely over my head.
		It couldn't have been moving a half a mile an hour.
		It took like three minutes to cover, to get completely past me.
		And I had a yard light out in front of my yard.
		Between the road and my front of my house, you probably got about 200 feet.
		Well, the thing completely covered from the road all the way to the front of my house wide.
		And it was probably a football field long.
		There was nothing, no sound, no crickets.
		I mean, you could hear the crickets, but there was no sound of this thing at all.
		It was totally amazing.
		And then, about a few years later, well, it was back in 2006, I was up in Chicago, and I heard a guy describe it as an aircraft carrier was blocking the O'Hara airport.
		And it was hovering above the O'Hara airport, and this was on a local radio station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I kind of remember that.
unidentified		Yes, and they described it the same way I always described it as a floating city block until I heard that guy describe it as a floating aircraft carrier.
		Or I would say like a floating barge on a river.
		And it was amazing.
		And I could see the blue.
		I could see windows.
		I didn't see nobody.
		But I mean, it wasn't very tall.
		It had to have little people in there because I could see that it was no wider than like a river barge or the depth of it would be no deeper than a river barge.
		But it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how little would the people have to be?
unidentified		I'm going to say you had to be five feet or smaller.
		And I've heard like Scott Air Force Base before from other people saying that that's where they are doing these, you know, I believe that's where the UFO, because you could leave Scott Air Force Base and you could go straight to where the UFO flew over me.
		And I went, and as the thing is coming into the yard, I went and snatched my kids' mom out of the shower, brought her out on the porch.
		And I was like, because we lived out in the country.
		There was nobody around.
		And I brought her out on the floor.
		She looks up at it and she, you know, her attitude was just mind-blowing.
		She's like, so what?
		It's a UFO.
		I'm like, I'm like, are you crazy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right, thank you.
		That's too much.
		So what?
		It's a UFO.
unidentified		Big deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going back to the shower.
		That is funny.
		What is the, I think I've got a question for the audience.
		Oh, by the way, I have got Skype all ready to go.
		So I am going to qualify you all to call on Skype, and I'll play with it tonight.
		I've been wanting to play with Skype anyway, so it's a good night to play with it.
		Here's the way you contact me on Skype.
		Somehow I imagine this lady being dragged from the shower.
		Probably no clothes or very almost no clothes.
		I'm art.bell51.
		That's the way you reach me on Skype.
		Art.bell51.
		Now, I don't have video.
		People keep trying to connect with video, and I'm intentionally not hooking up the video.
		For one thing, it requires more bandwidth, so I'm not going to do that.
		But we're all set to receive audio.
		And if you're outside the United States, it absolutely is an opportunity for you to call in.
		I'm going to give the address one more time, and I hope you'll give it a try.
		I will absolutely answer it.
		Art.bell51.
		That's the way to reach me on Skype.
		In the meantime, let's go.
		I just opened Skype up, so it's all set.
		Let's go to Texas and Ross.
		Hello, Ross.
unidentified		Good evening, Art.
		Pleasure to speak to you.
		I used to listen to you back in 95 and 96 a lot.
		And one story I've never forgotten, and I tried to call in during the time traveler segment you had a few weeks ago.
		I couldn't get through, but we all just get through whenever we're supposed to.
		I've never forgotten about Jonathan or Single Seven, the rogue time traveler.
		Could you please tell me what happened to him?
		Because he went off the radio and I never found out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I don't know what happened to any of my time travelers.
		What I can tell you is this.
		Almost all of them disappeared and have been virtually impossible to contact.
		I've heard rumors that Dr. David Anderson, who was a pretty convincing guy at the time, is still around or may be around.
		And I've got somebody trying to contact him.
		But look, almost everybody who claimed to be a time traveler is gone.
		What that means, I'll let you imagine for yourself.
unidentified		Oh, my.
		It was the best story ever.
		He had an answer for every one of your questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		He could have made a great movie.
unidentified		I don't know why no one made a movie out of it, but it was the best.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there have been a lot of time traveler movies since.
unidentified		Wow.
unidentified		He was just a rogue separated from his pod and came back to keep the world warm so the neem couldn't take over or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that this show, this program, has inspired a lot of movies that you've seen since those years when we did those shows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of writers were sitting around listening to my show and ended up writing stories that ended up becoming movies.
unidentified		We could have made a bundle.
		Anyway, one other question.
		Years ago, when I was out here living alone on my property in Texas, I was camping out for many years, but somewhere in 95 or 96, I saw a shooting star hit the ground between me and the next town south of here.
		And I never went out there to see what happened.
		There was a friend of mine and his daughter out here.
		They were looking at the ground at the time, and they kind of saw remnants of the flash, and I told them about it.
		They doubted me until he went back to his town in Fredericksburg the next day and heard about it on the radio, because people from there had seen the flash from, you know, 40 miles away.
		And it was between me and the next town, which is 10 miles south of me.
		And I never did go out to look for a crater.
		And I recently went on Google Earth to see if there was a crater of some sort.
		But the next day there were helicopters around.
		And that metal is probably worth a lot of money if I would just go out there and look for it.
		I was too busy building my house, and I never did go just look for the crater or any such thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if there were helicopters around, there probably were men in black and all kinds of things looking for what you wanted to find.
		And I'm sure they got it and you didn't.
		On Skype, hello, Frank.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Can you hear me?
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you're all broken up, sir.
		Might as well be from another planet.
		Not a good connection, but thank you for trying, Frank.
		Not a good connection.
		I'm sorry.
		I'm not sure whose side that was on, but we gave it a shot.
		Now, here's something important, folks, if you're able to do it.
		If you're going to try the Skype direction, please, if you're able to, number one, wear a headset mic, if you have one.
		That's ideal.
		If you don't have a headset mic, then what I would ask you to do is to get very close to the microphone on your speaker.
		I really, really, really want to experiment with Skype.
		I hope we get some good connections.
		Again, to call me at simply art.bell51.
		That's simple, and you'll get through.
		All right, let's go here, Arizona and Derek.
unidentified		Hi, I'm glad I made it through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you did, too.
unidentified		There's been a lot of inspiring, you know, kind of conversation about why we're important.
		And I'd like to preface this with saying that I come from a strong Christian upbringing and believe every word of the Bible.
		If some people think it's a metaphor, sometimes the metaphor is just as important.
		However, we're talking about aliens making hybrids.
		And I don't think, you know, people when the Bible was written could relate to that at all.
		And I haven't been able to find anybody in any church, at least Protestant church, that would be willing to correlate what we know or think we might know about aliens with the Bible.
		A lot of them kind of just like reject it, and I think it fits quite nicely.
		And as far as how we're important in this neck of the woods, you know, to quote Timothy, I think it has something about us being created in God's image.
		And I also like to think about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you this, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that aliens, if they exist, are also created in the same image of the same God?
unidentified		Not at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		That's why we're unique.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so God is unique.
		Excuse me.
		God is unique only to human beings in planet Earth.
unidentified		Not, no.
		Let me.
		That is not what I'm saying.
		What I'm saying is God's everywhere.
		He's omnipresent and omniscient and omnipotent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, if that's true, Scripture, would he not be the God of another race as well?
unidentified		He is, but those races aren't created in his image.
unidentified		For example, the angels, if you would like to prescribe the name angels to alien, I kind of see them synonymous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
unidentified		I kind of do.
		And in that line of thinking, I don't think that they have emotions.
		I think because they're celebrities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, you're going way off track there.
		Either God is everywhere and everybody's God or not.
		And angels equal aliens, or aliens equal angels?
		I don't think so.
		I mean, your whole premise began with I believe every word in the Bible.
		So that just doesn't work.
		I'm going to try Skype again.
		Brendan, you're on the air on Skype.
		Hello.
unidentified		Megan Roswell's art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
		You've got a good connection.
		Where are you?
unidentified		Santa Barbara, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Santa Barbara.
unidentified		Excellent.
		Welcome to the program.
		It's really good to have you back.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		No, it's really, it's just incredible.
		But tonight didn't go well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it didn't.
unidentified		You know, and I'd actually been so excited that I signed up for Sirius.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's examine, or you give me your opinion of what happened with Timothy Good.
unidentified		I think he's a gentleman.
		Absolutely.
		I think that he might have been a little bit too gentlemanly.
		But I do think that, and this is going to be tough, Art.
		Let's push back here a little bit.
		I'm going to push away.
		You're so important to me.
		But Art, I think you should have read the book.
		I should have read the book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's the thing.
		I read a lot.
		Hold on just a second.
		Hold on a sec.
		I read a lot of my guest's book.
		In fact, my guest's book.
		Excuse me.
		I've got a signed copy of last night's guest.
		I didn't know that I had it until after the show.
		So I do it after I've had the guest on.
		And the reason is this.
		I don't want to get a guest on the air who just says, you know what?
		It's in my book.
		If I ask them a question, it's in my book.
		It's not a good enough answer for a talk show.
		When you're doing a talk show, you want actual information.
		And so even if they've written a book, you want them to be able to tell the audience about whatever the story is and not just sort of say, it's in my book.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And, you know, I think the book, as far as I've read so far, does contain a lot of first-hand witness testimony.
		He goes and he interviews some people with some really excellent stories.
		But I don't know why he didn't Talk about that.
		And I think maybe it's because he wasn't prompted to, or maybe he's just too sweet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anyway, you can't fault me for not trying, sir.
		I tried to get him to go toward first-hand evidence.
		I tried to get him to go toward things, but it all came out sort of third-hand-ish.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or read my book.
unidentified		Well, thank you.
		Listen, and last thing, you know, I wanted to say that since we do as a family, every time my dad gets into his bleed, he says, oh, it's the implant.
		So you've played a large role in, you know, my family dynamic.
		And we appreciate all your work in that regard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call.
		Thank you very much, and take care.
		So there you have it.
		And now we've got a zillion Skype calls there.
		They're just coming in by the boatload.
		So let's go here to Arizona and Bill.
		Hi, Bill.
unidentified		Oh, hi, Art.
		Yeah, first-time color listener.
		I'm really kind of concerned with your first story, the whole thing in Japan and Fukushima.
		Those people are volunteering to die that are going to be doing those rods, and we all need to really have our minds focused that they can all get it done.
		Otherwise, it's been great to listen to you if tomorrow doesn't go well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really, this is not, well, first of all, understand, it's not tomorrow, although I always worry about tomorrow.
		But this is going to be going on for about a year.
		It's going to take them about a year to transfer these fuel rods safely, and it's all going to be a human operation.
		This is scary stuff.
unidentified		Right, right, it's serious.
		But to go back to, I've been listening the past couple of weeks here to you since you've been on Sirius, and I've kind of been wondering if there's a planet that's out of phase, that the interdimensional people come from, that won the war where the debris is on Mars, and it isn't taking aliens from way far away.
		They're right here.
		They won the war millennia ago.
		And maybe we're remnants of those that they defeated, and they let us just kind of be until we finally recognize who they are and maybe pose them at that point.
		And so they keep tabs on us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hate to think of myself as a remnant, but you never know.
unidentified		Kind of weird thought.
		Just a postulation.
		Well, thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for the call, sir, from one remnant to another.
		Are we remnants, do you think, that there was a war over the human race long ago?
		That war was one side was victorious, and now we are nothing but the remnants.
		Let's go back, if we can give it a try, to Skype and say, hi there, Zach, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Can you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I do indeed.
unidentified		Oh, excellent.
		Thank you very much for having me.
		Megha Roswells and 51s from Belgab.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where do you get to?
unidentified		Elisa Lamb case that you talked about last week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Oh, I'm in Oakville.
unidentified		That's just outside of Toronto, Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the Elisa Lamb case, y'all, go ahead.
unidentified		Yes.
		I did some research after I watched the video, and I wanted to share with you one of the theories that's going around on the internet about it.
		Sure.
		Apparently, around the time that she was found dead, there was a tuberculosis outbreak amongst the homeless population in L.A. Really?
		And someone looked up her name and discovered that it was an anagram for the American classification for tuberculosis or something like that.
		That's weird.
		And that perhaps some sort of government or some clandestine operation perhaps poisoned her.
		But I mean, I'm not a believer in this.
		It's just something that was interesting because I'm sort of skeptical because it still doesn't explain how she ended up where she did.
		You know, clothes weren't found.
		No.
		How she got through all these layers of security, the alarm systems, and so forth.
		Which brings another one where they were saying that perhaps she used, or not she, but whoever offered her, used some kind of cloaking technology.
		Apparently there's a Canadian company, oddly enough, that apparently has come up with it.
		Some sort of, she may have just been a victim of some sort of test operation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		Maybe.
		I have no idea.
		I'm with you all the way.
		I mean, look, she went through locked doors that were locked afterward.
		She went to a place that it's very unlikely she would go.
		She went through alarm systems that didn't go off.
		There's so much about the story that is just too weird.
unidentified		Right.
		I mean, one thing also to consider is that the hotel was rather decrepit, and it's possible that some of the security measures could have failed at the time.
		That's another thing that comes to mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Possibly.
		I have no answers.
		None of that.
unidentified		Well, neither do I. I mean, it's interesting.
		I mean, I just thought I'd share some of the things that people are talking about.
		I mean, I personally don't think we'll ever get to the bottom of what happened to her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think you're right.
		We're never going to get to the bottom of it, but it stands out as one of the weirdest cases.
		And to this day, if I sit down again and I watch that video, it totally creeps me out.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, me too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the call.
		Thank you very much.
		And take care.
		Totally creeps me out.
		And I've seen, I've got another one, you know, a ghost in a hallway and all that sort of thing.
		But there's something about that case and that video that is creepy, over-the-top creepy.
		All right.
		Let's see where to go.
		let's go here to Iowa.
		And Tom, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe I didn't punch the button.
		Let me try again.
		There we go.
		Tom, I think you're on the air now.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		All right, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does fine, sir?
unidentified		Good.
		I've been trying to get through to you.
		I sent you a wormhole message about it.
		I thought spraying mantises were aliens.
		And then all of a sudden, a couple days later, some lady came on show, remember that, and she said there was like eight-foot-praying mantises.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do recall, yes.
unidentified		I thought that was kind of cool.
		But I lived in, I was born in like Lake City, Minnesota.
		And one day I was walking home from town.
		It was like in the early 60s.
		And I remember this, but I don't know if it's true or not.
		But my neighbor a block down the road was looking at something.
		And I asked her what she's looking at.
		And she pointed out this big black saucer discovered in the air north of town there.
		And I don't, I mean, like I said, you know, it's in the 60s.
		I still remember to this day seeing it up there, but I don't know what happened to it or anything, you know, how it disappeared or left.
		You know, but I've been trying to get a hold of you.
		And, you know, have you heard of anything like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard of nothing but things like that, sir.
unidentified		Again, but again, that particular one.
unidentified		Right, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not that particular one, but like them, sure.
		A million of them.
		In fact, we almost shouldn't tell these stories because they are that common.
		I saw a flying saucer.
		Well, yeah, me too.
		I saw a triangle.
		Me too.
		So they're not uncommon.
		They're extremely common.
		The question is, how we flush out what they really are.
		In my opinion, that's just my opinion.
		They're not from here.
		Is there a possibility they could be that we're doing something that secret?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, to go to something that Timothy Good said, and maybe some of you want to reflect on this.
		I have a very difficult time, and I know Richard C., if he's out there, is going to be hearing this and going, oh, come on, Art.
		But I have a very, very hard time believing that we have a secret space program.
		Something so secret and so incredible that we're putting things on the moon.
		We have bases on the moon.
		We have bases on Mars and beyond.
		I truly don't believe that.
		I would like for it to be true, but I don't believe it.
		All right.
		On Skype, you're on the air from where I don't know.
unidentified		Hello.
		Sun Jim, is that correct?
		Yes, it is, Art.
		Can you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and I can't pronounce your name, so help me.
unidentified		You can call me SJ.
		I'm a West Coast fisherman.
		And I've got some great stories for you.
		But I wanted to talk to you about alien, the lighter side of aliens, and also about God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad aliens have a lighter side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's hear about that.
unidentified		Well, for one thing, I've always suspected that a lot of the crop circles are done by alien kids that are on field trip to Earth.
		And it's part of, yeah, it's part of their classwork.
		And a guy says, look, we've been teaching you about the solar system and galactic references and connections.
		And draw it on that field down there just for the fun of it.
		And a kid gets on as, you know, basically a super telephalagist.
		Remember those Etcha sketches?
		Well, they've got one that's century.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not turning to homework that Romney has been doing any of these crop circles, are you?
unidentified		Oh, God.
unidentified		You know, the humor that's inherent in our situation needs to be brought out because sometimes the irony is all you can live for, you know what I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, you were going to mention God as well.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I have this other theory that, you know, since we all have a part of God inside of us, I was thinking it's possible that God has all of us at the same time.
		So that would determine what God is at any given point in time.
		And, you know, you can trace all the inconsistencies to the various global thought paradigms that we believe in.
		You know, the thought, the belief structures.
		As they change, God changes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then God could be like a trucker going down I-40.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		Why not?
		He is a trucker going down I-40.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I've got the picture.
		Okay, well, very interesting, and I appreciate the lighter side of anything.
		Trust me.
		Enjoy it very much.
		And that was a good Skype call.
		Okay, let's go to Canada and Craig.
		Hi, Craig.
unidentified		Hi, Roswell's Art.
		Thank you.
		Not so long ago, you had a gentleman on the phone who was trying to pilot his plane over Area 51.
		I'm just wondering whatever happened to that guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it may well be that a railgun shot him down and he's nothing but dust.
unidentified		It does seem a bit strange that he was able to use a cell phone, you know, in an airplane.
unidentified		You know, he just came across a bit strange, that was all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I really appreciated it.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if he didn't have that cell phone and he had not reached out to me, how would we know anything at all?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how would we be wondering now what became of him?
unidentified		Well, we don't, do we?
		We don't know whether he's alive still or he's gone.
		Indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, by the way?
		Canada.
		I got that.
		But I mean, where in Canada?
unidentified		Edmonton.
unidentified		Edmonton, England.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Edmonton.
		All right.
		And you've got an obvious English accent.
unidentified		I am.
		I'm an English truck driver in Canada.
		So.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're an English truck driver in Canada?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What brought you all the way across the ocean to truck here?
unidentified		There?
		Well, we just wanted to do it just to say we've done it, that's all.
		Make a bit of extra money as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alrighty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a question for you.
unidentified		Okay, go on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the most evil thing you've ever done?
unidentified		The most evil thing I've ever done.
unidentified		I convinced my wife that I was psychic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, good for you.
		Thank you for the call.
		Anybody else willing to answer that question is welcome.
		The most evil thing you have ever done.
		I don't know why that just popped into my mind, but it did.
		Ohio brings Uncle Duke.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm quite well, Uncle.
unidentified		Good.
		Hey, you might find this interesting.
		I listened to the previous guest talk about Neil Armstrong and such.
		I knew Neil Armstrong.
		I'm a late 70s graduate of the University of Cincinnati Aerospace Engineering program.
		I'm a retired aerospace engineer with a DOD.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I knew him as well as a student can know a professor, but we got along famously because we were both airplane guys and both really enjoyed talking airplanes.
		One time in a group setting, I asked him specifically about the UFO during the Apollo mission.
		And he kind of smirked.
		Everybody talks about how the guy was standoffish and all that.
		One-on-one, he was very charming, had a very dry sense of humor, great guy.
		But in a small group setting, he was equally as charming and equally as willing to talk.
		And there were probably, I don't know, we had half a dozen of us there, students and himself.
		And he proceeded to tell the story about, yes, they did look out the windows, and yes, they did see a kind of a sparkling, twinkling, on again, off-again kind of light.
		And they did call back to Houston.
		And he said, you know, the first thought that it had been the boosters.
		And he said, but we talked about that, that made no sense.
		They were too far away.
		And he said, we talked about it and talked about it.
		And he said, there's no question in my mind, and I've never forgotten this.
		He said, what we saw were the panels from the service module.
		The service module, if you'll remember, that thing kind of opened up like a flower to allow the command module to turn around and then dock with the lunar module.
		And those panels peeled off.
		And, you know, momentum being what it is, they kept going.
		And as they got further away, and of course, I don't remember if there were three or four of them.
		I think there may have been four of them.
		And they all went kind of in different directions because there were four of them pointed in a different direction.
		And he said, there's no question in my mind, that's what we saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But he didn't relate anything to you about a craft that had been given to the United States or any other country or having personally flown any of these craft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, did he?
unidentified		You know, Art, if Professor Armstrong had said that, he would have done it firmly, tongue-in-cheek.
		The guy had a great sense of humor.
		He really did.
		Very dry.
		So he could have said something like that, but no, he said nothing like that.
		He was asked a serious question by a senior in an aerospace engineering graduating class, and he answered it seriously.
		And so for all these people who want to talk about Neil Armstrong this and Neil Armstrong that, I knew the man.
		Great guy.
		And I know how he answered the question because I heard the question asked and I heard him answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
		I really appreciate that account.
		Thank you so very much.
		So there you have it.
		Nothing about alien craft and ziving around and piloting them and being instructed in their appropriate use, I guess.
		I don't know.
		all of that a little difficult to buy.
		We're going to have to My goodness.
		All right.
		We'll break here for a moment.
		When we get back, we'll continue to answer these banks of calls, and you can see them coming in hold.
		Michael?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Get started, Michael.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		All those five lines winking away there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Winking away going crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to ask everybody right now on hold the most evil thing they've ever done to be prepared.
unidentified		I think we'll begin with Florida and Dave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Dave.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing, Dave?
unidentified		No, not too bad.
		About 6.30 on October 11th on Highway 160, right at the bottom of Mayumut Valley, about 18, 19 miles south of Mexican Hat, Utah.
		All right, October 11th of this year.
		I spent, there's a wide spot there, and I spent the night there.
		I drive a truck for a living.
		And I spent the deer, and I got up just about sun up.
		And, you know, I pulled flatbed, so I got out, kicked my tires, everything like that, checked the, you know, straps, chains.
		And about, I'm going to say 1,500 feet, there's that little ride, that little white up there was on top of a no.
		About 1,500 feet out there, there was an object.
		I don't know what it was.
		All right.
		I don't know if it was a military aircraft or what.
		But it was dead quiet.
		And it was shaped like a spoon without the handle, but turned over.
		And it was a nice silver color, but the bottom of it looked like water.
		Rippling water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's weird.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I took seven pictures of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh?
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		And?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and you have these photographs.
unidentified		I have these photographs, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, may the good Lord bless you.
unidentified		Hold on a second.
unidentified		The obstacle does not appear, but the shadow it creates on the ground does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was such an interesting description that I was hoping for more than a shadow.
unidentified		Well, hold on.
		It gets even better.
		I don't know what it is.
		I don't believe in UFOs, but, you know, apparently I'm going to have to change the mind or something.
		But I took pictures of it.
		I didn't think nothing about it.
		And probably about 15, 20 seconds after I shot the last picture, it went from a dead hover spot and about, it was about 50 feet in length.
		It broke the sound.
		It created a sonic boom.
		Oh, I'm going to say 50 yards and created a vapor ring because the air is moist that time of morning down there.
		Created a vapor ring and was gone.
		I mean, gone.
		It went down the valley.
		It didn't gain no altitude, but it went down that valley like you'd shot it out of a gun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, Dave, what do you mean you don't believe in UFOs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't believe your own eyes?
unidentified		Well, let me put it to you this way.
unidentified		Before October 11th of this year, I really had serious doubts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about now?
unidentified		Well, I saw something.
		I have no idea.
		I don't know if it was something we had.
		You just don't want to believe, do you, Dave?
		Well, you know, I don't think we have the technology for the inertial dampers unless it was an unmanned aircraft.
		There's no way a human body could take that type of stress.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so from that, what do you conclude?
unidentified		It ain't from here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it ain't from here and it did what you said, then Dave, you got to believe.
unidentified		Yeah, I do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Dave, what's the most evil thing you've ever done?
unidentified		Spiked the opposite water bottle, the opposite team's water bottle when I was in high school.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You spiked whose water bottle?
unidentified		Football team we were playing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You spiked the entire team?
unidentified		Well, we spiked their coolers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Their coolers?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be virtually everybody then, huh?
unidentified		Pretty much everybody on the other team.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, how was the game?
unidentified		We lost.
unidentified		We always lose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Dave.
		Thank you.
		Good answer.
		Really good answer.
		Let's go to Michael on Skype.
		Michael, hello.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Better by the minute, Michael.
unidentified		Art?
		Yes.
		I want to start out with saying raging vertebrae.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to rage a little closer to the mic because you're dropping out.
unidentified		My question was, I've always tried to put myself in position to see a UFO.
unidentified		Spent some time out by your house at Dumont Dunes, rode to the top of the dunes and sat there for hours looking out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would like to state right now that my house is not a good place to see a UFO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to discourage this activity.
unidentified		Well, Dumont Dunes is really close.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is, very close.
unidentified		And boy, it's just amazing how clear it is out there.
unidentified		But I do believe, I want to believe, and I just know they're out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just really want to see one, right?
unidentified		Oh, more than you could ever imagine.
		Started.
		Matter of fact, I used to take my radio up there and listen to you on K-Don.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, stay away from my house, Michael.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		See you later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		People come to me.
		And it's pretty easy to recognize because, well, first of all, of course, my house is fenced.
		But people, it's a dead end road, so you can't miss them.
		They come cruising by very, very slowly.
		And then they stop at the end of the road, you know, dead end, and they turn around and they come back and very, very slowly they're moving.
		And then usually they stop.
		You see a camera eek out the window and take a number of photographs and then eventually they continue on.
		It's a little strange, but we've learned to sort of live with it.
		Hello there in New Jersey.
		Holly, how are you?
unidentified		Good.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just spiffy.
unidentified		I just want to tell you you are a radio god.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not.
unidentified		I love you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
		I appreciate that.
		A god I am not, though.
unidentified		I have two parts, actually.
		Years ago, I was going through some of my mother's papers, and I found a letter that she had wrote.
		And in the letter, she had stated that she actually seen a UFO.
		I never knew anything of this, so I questioned her about it.
		And she was very reluctant to tell me the story, but she finally did.
		And she said that she had seen a UFO, and that it was very quiet, and it actually looked like it was sucking electricity out of the power lines.
		And I wanted to see if it was.
		You know, and driving up everybody's electric bill.
		Yes.
		But have you ever heard of anything like that where they've actually siphoned electricity?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seen it in the movies.
unidentified		In the movies?
		Yeah, well, she said she's seen it and she swears it.
		But I didn't see it for myself, so I'm not sure, but that's what she says.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure one day I'll walk out on my back porch and I'll see this giant saucer sucking up from my big antenna.
unidentified		Also, to the other part, when you talk about why the aliens are here and so forth, and people are saying it's because of our soul or because they want to breathe with us.
		Yes, yes.
		You know, every animal on earth we study.
		Every animal, regardless of what it is, we study it.
		I think it's the same thing for them.
		We're an animal, so they study us.
		I don't think it's any special reason.
		I think it's just because we're here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to hear something really creepy?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Scientists right now are growing stem cells.
		They're taking human stem cells, or I guess actually not they are human, but they're embryonic stem cells.
		And they are growing them in cultures.
		And what they're getting is creatures, humans, but with a brain and other human parts, but no heart.
		And so these things are dying very quickly.
		There's no heart to propel the blood around.
		So they're not getting bigger than a pinhead, but they're growing things from embryonic stem cells.
		Now, is that creepy or what?
unidentified		Very creepy.
unidentified		Scary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is scary.
		It scares me even.
		I heard that earlier today.
		I'm going to try and find a guest on that.
		They're doing some pretty creepy stuff with stem cells.
unidentified		Very scary.
		Also, what do you think about people that are RH negative?
		There's some talk on the internet about people that are RH negative possibly having some alien connection with the reptile aliens and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think they mostly should be gathered together and dissected.
		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		What's the most evil thing you've ever done?
unidentified		I actually, a friend of mine was going to throw a party for me, and I went to his house, and he was all drunk, and there were people there I didn't know, and I was about 17 years old, and the rest of them were about 17 years old, and I left in a huff, and I actually called the cops on him under each drinking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty, oh, my God.
		Pretty cold, and a good answer.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Have a good one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you have a good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
unidentified		That's funny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Duncan, I think it is.
		I don't know.
		On Skype, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		How are you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good to have you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in a parking lot in Cincinnati, Ohio, on a truck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just hanging out in the parking lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Yeah, done whatever.
		Okay.
		To answer a question, the first question, the most evil thing I've ever done.
		I was a firebag when I was a kid.
		So I set a couple of apartment buildings on fire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		Luckily, nobody got hurt.
unidentified		And outgrew that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those were occupied or unoccupied?
unidentified		They were occupied.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Occupied.
unidentified		Yeah, I got caught.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you actually did get caught?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
		Luckily for the people.
		That's fairly evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, that's fairly evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You win so far.
unidentified		Well, I feel bad about it now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do, too.
unidentified		I also haven't.
		I've never seen a UFO.
		I've traveled 5 million miles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because of your evil ways.
unidentified		I think so.
		I feel kind of lucky for that.
		And also, I had another question that's unrelated.
		There was a lady that used to explore caves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bonnie Crystal.
unidentified		Yeah, will you have her back on anytime soon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a good question.
		And I'll see if Bonnie's around.
		But yeah, she's a fascinating lady, huh?
		She lived a very long time in Hong Kong.
		And we used to chat while she was in Hong Kong, and I was in Manila, and we used to get on the internet and chat.
		So I'll see if I can reach out to Bonnie, all right?
unidentified		Well, it's been great talking to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm so great you're back.
		Well, thank you.
		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Oh, those poor people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two, not what, not one, but two apartment buildings.
		Okay, so on Skype, I'm art.bell51.
		That's art.bell51.
		That was scary.
		Hello there in Colorado.
		Gary, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, how's it going, Art?
		It's going pretty well, actually.
		I have a kind of similar story to the Iron Hand that I kind of want to detail.
		It's not necessarily the Iron Hand, but some years back when me and my wife was together, I was at the house.
		I was off of work.
		And I was really, really bored and full of energy.
		Full of energy.
		A friend of mine called me and said, hey, come on over.
		We're having a get together.
		I'm going to be some drinks.
		It's going to be all my family here and everything.
		It's going to be really fun.
		And I said, of course, no problem.
		So as I was getting ready to get ready to head over there and go over there, man, I got this like weird, weird, weird feeling.
		And all my energy drained.
		This is a true story now.
		All my energy drained.
		Like I just got exhausted for some reason.
		I never called them back.
		I never called back and said I wasn't coming.
		I just didn't show up.
		The next morning, I woke up and I called them and I was told by my friend that the house got shot up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Shot up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like a drive-by?
unidentified		No, it wasn't a drive-by.
		They had some guys that was over there that they didn't know, but they let them in the party anyway.
		And they were just not good.
		And they shot up.
		They shot up the household, which is funny to me, which makes me think about it, is that nobody died.
		A couple of people did get shot.
		Nobody died.
		But I always think to myself, if I was there, would I have been the one person that have died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's like you had a guardian and energy sucker.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't know.
		I really can't explain it.
		But it was really weird.
		I sat around the house all day long just watching TV and I was really, really bored.
		And I was like, I got to do something.
		And then all of a sudden, when I got ready to go do this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no question, TV can suck the life right out of you.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, you're right.
		But I just got all my energy drained in.
		I'm glad I didn't go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you didn't go to a Guardian Energy Sucker.
unidentified		Let's go to Michigan and Dean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Dean.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Second time callers and mega dittos, or excuse me, Mega Roswell's from Belgab.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm not calling about any kind of angels or portals.
		I got a good old-fashioned, bizarre aerial phenomenon to tell you about.
		Okay.
		It was back, I was my second year out of college back in 1978, and I happened to get up at about 9.30.
		It was on my bike, and being a 19-year-old, I didn't have a car at that point.
		And I was just biking along the road, and it's up in the upper Peninsula, Michigan, pretty rural area there.
		Biking along, and I saw something off the side of my eye.
		And so I turned and looked off to my left, and there, about five feet away from me, floating along at the same speed that I was biking, was what I will call it is a silver ball bearing.
		It was about the size of a croquet ball, exactly at my head level, about, like I said, five feet away, almost like a mirror.
		It was so, you know, it was just so shiny.
		And just cruising along, and my jaw dropped.
		I'm biking along, and I didn't know what to think of it.
		And it shot up in the air, and my head whipped up to follow it.
		I could just kind of see it disappearing up.
		And at that point, I lost sight of it because I went off the road and smashed into the bushes.
		And so got off the bike, looked around, couldn't see anything.
		And being a scientific kind of person, I got on my bike, and I went through about three, four times that same route trying to look for something that might have reflected off my glasses or something like that, but nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you had an encounter with a ball bearing?
unidentified		Yeah, that's what I call it.
		I actually call it croquet.
		It was about the size of a croquet ball.
		I was big in a croquet back then.
		But yeah, floating along right next to me, and I was stunned.
		I don't know.
		It's kind of bizarre.
		I didn't tell too many people about it at the time because I kind of thought, hmm, you know, they're going to think I was doing something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They might have.
		They might have, Dean.
		Speaking of doing something, the most evil thing you've ever done is...
		You mean again?
unidentified		No, no.
		Well, that's what she said after we got divorced.
		That was the most evil thing I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		All right.
		Thank you very much, and take care.
		And let's go to Skype.
unidentified		And Guy, I guess, and Sonia?
		Yeah.
		Hi, Art.
		Hi.
		I was thinking back to the first show that you did and had Mitch Okaku on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean the first show on Dark Matter, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
unidentified		I'm not that old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Anyway, he had changed his odds.
unidentified		He laid 50% on us reaching a Type 1 civilization.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know what it was originally years ago?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was 100 to 1.
unidentified		And so I wondered if his changing the odds had anything to do with your show coming back on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that was the reason.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've guessed it.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Along those lines, I wanted to sort of say hi to all the folks over on Bellgab who sort of carried the flame all these years you were awake and wondered if maybe somehow unintentionally we'd done a mass consciousness experiment over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm the victim.
unidentified		Right, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		Who knows?
		I mean, I would be the last person to reject such a possible scenario.
unidentified		Yeah, maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a vicious but vaguely lovable group.
unidentified		Right, exactly.
unidentified		Can I turn this on you and ask you what's the most evil thing you've done?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
		How rude is that to ask a question like that just on the fly?
		I've done so many.
		You're going to have to give me some time to think about it.
		I guess.
		Okay, you'll get it off there indeed.
		There have been so many.
		I remember that when I was in high school, I was required to take home egg.
		Which I thought at the time was cruel and unusual punishment of the very worst kind.
		And we wrecked that class.
		I mean, we wrecked it.
		We all, all the guys were guys required to take home egg, right?
		We poisoned each other's food.
		I mean, nobody, and the teacher would come around and sample this stuff afterward.
		You know, there'd be a good cup full of salt where it shouldn't be that kind of thing.
		It was really awful.
		It was a failure.
		I don't know if high schools now do this sort of thing still today.
		I would imagine they do.
		They give guys a little taste of what it's like to have to cook and girls a little taste of auto shop or something.
		But it didn't work.
		It was the first time they had tried something like that.
		And we utterly destroyed the whole program.
		The most evil thing I've ever done.
		That probably doesn't qualify, but it came to mind immediately.
		All right, let me see.
		Let's go to California and Scott.
		Hi, Scott.
unidentified		Hello, hello, hello.
unidentified		Mega 88201s to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what does that mean?
unidentified		That is the zip code of Roswell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		Very good.
unidentified		Anyway, do you want the evil story or do you want the reason I called about UFOs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's start with the reason you called.
unidentified		Okay, I think you said, or someone said earlier, that they thought that the people coming to visit are interested in our souls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Which makes me wonder: what is a soul?
		And I've always heard that it's comprised of the mind, the will, and the emotion, which if you look at that verse in the Bible that says, you know, what does it profit a person to gain the whole world yet lose his own soul, or in this case, lose his own mind, will, and emotions, it seems to make pretty good sense.
		But if they're really interested in our souls, and our souls are indeed the mind, the will, and the emotions, they don't have a whole lot to pick from.
		You talk about the remnant men.
		I mean, the world is going crazy at a hair-raising clip.
		So I think, you know, the more I think about this thing about seeding and that Adam and Eve was a fairy tale, what if we're just a big experiment and they check in from time to time just to see how we're doing?
		I mean, it's depressing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then at some point in the not-too-distant future, we're going to get vaporized because they're going to look down and they're going to say, what have we done?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Zap.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm really worried about that.
unidentified		Trying to find a way out of the mess that they've caused, if indeed that's all it actually is, is a big experiment that's gone amok.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe the God of the Bible is real, and he'll look down and say, fail, and zap.
unidentified		Or he could be a guy driving a truck across, you know, up 81 or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I-40, and just presses a button, zap.
unidentified		Okay, that's the serious thing.
		The most evil thing I did was more funny than evil, but it was evil.
		In 73, I had my first radio job at a little FM station about 50 miles outside of D.C. And we had to play certain records, and even the people on the air didn't always care for the records.
		Well, I had one guy who, every time I played the night the lights went out in Georgia, would call in and just raise the devil with me.
		Couldn't stand that song.
		And he said, you know, if you ever play it again, I'll never listen again.
		And I said, well, sir, I don't know if you're aware of the consequences of that action, but we're licensed by the Federal Communications Commission to operate this radio station with an antenna height of whatever it was, a wattage of whatever it was, effective radiated power of 3,000 watts, which means we can only accommodate a certain number of listeners at any one time.
		So you're free to tune out if you want, but I can't guarantee that you're going to be able to tune back in if you decide later you want to.
		And I paused.
		And about 10 seconds later, he said, well, okay, I'll let it go this time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not bad.
		Not overly evil, but not bad.
		I did much worse on the radio.
		In fact, even recently.
		Let's try Skype.
		Boy, not a good connection here.
		Kenny, hello.
		You're all distorted, Kenny.
		I see something that says, I'd rather be killing zombies.
		I bet you would.
		And with audio like that, they're probably going down fast.
		Get away from your mic a little bit there, Kenny.
unidentified		Gotcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Usually I have to say the other way around, but you're really pumping some audio there, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what's up?
unidentified		Right, well, Lauren.
		It's good to hear you again on the radio, and that's all I want to say.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I appreciate the call.
		You said it.
		Take care.
		And I think some people sometimes just want to see if they can get through.
		Yes, you can get through.
		But be prepared to answer the question about evil.
		To Dave in Florida.
		Hello, Dave.
unidentified		How are you, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very well.
unidentified		Thank you.
		First time caller, long-time listener.
		I grew up over in Vegas, over the hills from you.
		My dad was on the Air Force base.
		We lived on Nellis from 77 to, I think, about 81.
		And do you know where Seephead Mountain is?
		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What mountain?
unidentified		Seepshead Mountain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seepshead.
		I've heard of it.
		I don't know where it is.
unidentified		It's kind of, I guess, kind of northwest of the base.
		Okay.
		On the other, you know, in between, I think, what is it, 95?
		Anyway, I had me and my brothers and three other friends.
		I loved to explore when I was a kid.
		And I used to see snow on that mountain occasionally.
		Well, I had a bright idea one morning.
		I got my brothers together and my neighbors.
		And we took a hike.
		And we ended up going all the way to the base of the mountain.
		Are you there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm here.
unidentified		And they ended up calling Search and Rescue, make a long story short.
		And they had Metro Search and Rescue, the Air Force Search and Rescue Outlooking Force.
		And me and a friend of mine were the only one that stayed kind of back at the mountain, deciding, hey, we're going to just spend the night here, where my brothers decided to try to make it home.
		Search and rescue picked them up.
		We ended up seeing lights towards Mount Charleston area, you know, from where we're walking back towards the base.
		And it was real scary because These lights, they didn't look like UFOs, you know, big, huge UFOs in the air.
		They were more or less like about the size of, you know, a Volkswagen.
		And there were several of them.
		And as a kid growing up on the base at nighttime, we used to see lights out there quite a bit in the distance and didn't know what they were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if VW size UFOs get better mileage.
unidentified		I don't know.
		But we ended up walking towards where the lights were thinking that it was going towards the base.
		And we actually were walking towards Mount Charleston.
		And they ended up finding us, and we made it on the news.
		And I got in trouble quite a bit for dragging everybody around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does this correlate with the most evil thing you've ever done?
unidentified		The most evil thing I ever did was I dressed my little brother up as a girl.
		When we would go to the movies, I used to take him and dress him up as a girl.
		And the lady that worked at the movie theater just thought that was so cute.
		I always got to go hit the movie theater for free because he thought that that was my little sister I was bringing with me.
		My brother's pretty happy.
		He doesn't even like talking about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Too bad there aren't pictures.
		I appreciate the call, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		And over to Skype we go.
		And Andrew.
unidentified		Hi, this is your friend Andy from Melbourne, Australia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing, Andrew?
unidentified		I'm doing very well, thank you.
unidentified		I wanted to know, are you doing the New Year's Eve special show this year?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Am I doing any special show?
unidentified		On New Year's Eve.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, on New Year's Eve.
		Predictions.
		You're talking about predictions.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Inevitably, I'm sure I will be.
		If I'm here on New Year's Eve, I'm sure I'll be doing it.
		But since you might not get in, Andrew, if you need to make a prediction for 2014.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, what would you predict for 2014?
unidentified		I predict, well, I think I'll predict the downfall of the other show, the show that must not be named.
unidentified		Hopefully I get a ding pinged in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nah, I don't think so.
		I don't think so.
		Maybe, you know, dogs and cats will make up and everybody will get along and the world will be.
unidentified		What's the most evil thing you ever did?
		The most evil thing I ever did.
		I did a similar thing to my sister, what the last caller did to his brother.
		I dressed my sister up as a boy once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God, I forgot about my sister.
		I can top you, Andrew.
		I did something pretty awful to my sister.
		This was when I first began playing with electricity.
		You know, I was pretty young.
		And I wired up an electric chair.
		I took a regular chair.
		And I wired her up.
		Bear in mind, I was very young.
		She was way younger.
		But I had her all set to plug her into the wall.
		I was just discovering electricity and wire, and I thought it'd be a cool idea.
		So I had her wired.
		And of course, gee, this brings up all kinds of things.
		I also wired up the doorknob to my room, and I had a metal thing that you would have to stand on if you were in front of my door.
		So that when you knocked or touched the door, along with hopefully either bear or socks on, you received a terrible jolt.
		And so I did play an awful lot around with electricity when I was young.
		Now, I did not plug my sister in, but I did get pretty close, actually.
		Nevada has Mike coming our way.
		Hello, Mike.
unidentified		Hey, what's up, bud?
unidentified		How are you doing today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just spiffy.
unidentified		Well, yeah, first time caller, I just want to say before I tell you, well, before I actually ask a couple questions, I was going to say, you know, big fan.
		Actually stumbled across, I found out about you through YouTube.
		I stumbled across some of your videos just when I was surfing through YouTube a couple months back and then found out you're off the radio through Wikipedia, then found out you were back on the radio.
		It's cool to actually be able to talk to you, though, if I wanted to say that.
		But one question I was going to ask, and then I was going to respond and comment, was, what did you think of Timothy Good?
		I thought he was, I mean, is he as credible as some of the other people you've had on, some of the other guests that you've had on, would you say?
		Is he respected?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think he's a responsibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're asking me, do I think he was as credible as others?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he was as credible as some and as credible as some others.
		I have had a wide, very wide range of guests on this program.
		And so that would be my answer.
		Not as credible as some and as credible as others.
unidentified		Yeah, I just, I thought he was pretty far-fetched.
		And to be completely honest, I'm not trying to be one of those debunkers from the way he put it.
		It's just, to me, some of the stuff that he was trying to describe, at least like the whole telepathic stuff.
		I mean, and this is my only...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, I'm with you all the way.
		Timothy Good has a very long and distinguished reputation in ufology.
		And so I guess I would say I was surprised at the way he laid some of this out tonight.
		It was pretty tough.
		Really tough.
unidentified		I agree.
		What was really weird about it was this is the way I always look at it.
		If you're really looking hard enough for something, you're going to find it.
		And I think, you know, Howie said that he sat down and he telepathically sent out a message to everybody passing through the hotel, whatever.
		I mean, how many hotels has he gone to and done that?
		And then, you know, I mean, to me, that's all I'm trying to say is, you know, if you're looking hard enough to find something invested your career, your life, you're going to run into something that's, to you, seem versus whoever is doing that is going to seem abnormal or paranormal or out of this world.
		And I'm not trying to say that he's uncredible.
		Like you said, I look him up online and he seems, you know, like a respectable guy in his field and everything like that.
		And I'm not saying he is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		He's all of that, sir.
		Look, I had the same reaction.
		Now, you don't argue with somebody who said, look, I saw this really cute girl, and I sent her a mental message, and she came over and curtsied.
		That's what he said, right?
unidentified		I don't think I'm getting that wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's nothing to argue with, and there's nothing to say, OG.
		But there's nothing to confirm it either.
		I have attempted to send out messages like that to cute girls.
		Not trying to get a courtsy, mind you, but a message sent, definitely.
		All right, let me see.
unidentified		Let's go here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		North Carolina and Stephen, you're in my birth state, Stephen.
unidentified		Hi, how are you doing?
		Roswells.
		Thank you.
		Yes, sir.
		I was calling about the new life form found in our sewer system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you actually watch that?
unidentified		Yes, sir, I did.
unidentified		And I was wondering, like, how could this be created?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think we want to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that thing looked disgusting.
unidentified		Yeah, it really did.
unidentified		I was like, is that a leech or is it it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it was a leech.
		I have no idea.
		It was disgusting.
unidentified		Pure disgusting.
unidentified		It makes me not even want to drink no water no more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, you shouldn't be sampling water from a sewer anyway, but whatever it was growing down there, I don't want anything to do with it, and it was just icky.
unidentified		Yeah, nasty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and you're in North Carolina, too, aren't you?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good luck, because you know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That thing will probably grow.
unidentified		You're like the blob.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, get some form of legs, maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First thing you know, you're asleep late at night, and there you go.
unidentified		And up through my sink comes a blob.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, worse yet, how about your bathtub?
unidentified		Oh, my God, not while I'm in there.
		How long taking a shower?
		Yeah, while you're taking a shower.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, everybody.
		That thing is awful.
		I don't know what it is.
		They say it's growing in a sewer in North Carolina.
		Take a look at it.
		It's moving.
		It's alive.
		It does not have arms, legs, head, or anything like that.
		It just looks like disgusting tissue, I guess is the way I would put it.
		Oh, it's awful.
		But it sort of pulsates a little bit.
		And in view of where it grew and or was, I hate to use the word born, came into existence.
		Anyway, I'm done with this.
		If you want to see it, go take a look yourself.
		On Skype, you're on the air.
		Hello, Jason.
		Hi, how are you?
		Just fine, sir.
		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in just outside of Brandon, Manitoba, just west of Winnipeg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A tasty Canadian.
unidentified		That's right.
		That's right.
		I'm driving cross country here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I find I was wondering what if somebody's actually figured out the actual numbers as far as UFO savings in the summer compared to the rest of the year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
		Well, I'm going to go out on a limb here.
		I'm going to say more in the summer.
		And the reason there's more in the summer is because people are outside doing stuff in the summer and they look up occasionally.
unidentified		I completely agree with that.
		However, the reason I'm calling, remember a few years ago, actually no, as recent, I think it's two years ago, there was a huge UFO sighting all over this part of Canada.
		And it was huge heavy lights.
		And it was seen from all of Manitoba throughout Saskatchewan.
		Do you remember that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I actually do remember it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember the reports of it, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, mainstream media and everything.
unidentified		I just found that really remarkable just because it's not a guy in his backyard looking up at the sky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the most evil thing you've ever done, Jason?
unidentified		Well, I'd have to say it's something I currently do, and that is white lies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's what?
unidentified		Telling white lies.
		I can't escape from it.
		I don't know why.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you cannot make somebody feel poorly.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you will tell little lies to make them feel better no matter what.
unidentified		And I was brought up not to lie, and I promised my mom that I would never lie, but to tell her that I don't lie is a lie itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		Well, white lies almost don't qualify as evil, frankly, Jason.
		But I do appreciate the effort at it, but white lies.
		How about the rest of you?
		Do you do that?
		Do you tell little white lies?
		Let me give you an example.
		Ham radio operators are consistently asking each other, how's my signal?
		Right?
		That's an obvious question.
		All you've got is your signal.
		Most times, more times than not, you will hear one operator ask another, and the other operator will always say five by five some of the best audio I've ever heard when it's patently untrue.
		I mean, the guy just sounds terrible.
		But somehow or another, people feel compelled to give good reports.
		Absolutely compelled.
		Right now, I'm compelled to take a break.
		Open lines, anything you want to talk about, it's fair game.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Dark Matter.
		Open Lines, anything you want to talk about?
unidentified		Absolutely fair game.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I keep looking at the wait times here, trying to pick the appropriate people.
		Nate from Utah.
		Hello there.
unidentified		Hey, how's it going, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going real well.
unidentified		Marvelous, simply marvelous.
		Well, the name's Nate.
		Most people just call me Rumble Strips MacGyver.
		But I have an interesting couple stories for you if you got a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
unidentified		It wasn't exactly the worst.
		Well, it depends on your point of view.
		Trannius, maybe, you ever heard the song Phantom 309?
		No.
		By Red Savine?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Okay, if you ever get a chance, take a listen to it.
		It's a pretty good.
		It's an interesting.
		Well, the story behind it was, I went over-the-road truck driver.
		I also trained students.
		One of my best friends was my student.
		And I was asleep in the back, and what I had, I have a CB radio in the truck, and I had a handheld CV radio that I would use to be able to sit outside and talk to them and help them back up.
		Well, one evening I woke up, and he was driving across Wyoming on Interstate 80, and there was hardly any traffic out there, so I noticed that my radio was on, and so I turned up my handheld and, you know, break one nine for radio check, and he answered it.
		And we talked for about half an hour, 45 minutes, and he realized the signal hadn't changed.
		Well, truck drivers, you know, you're out of two, three mile range, the signal weakness.
		So anyway, he asked me where I was at, and I says, well, I'm right next to you.
		And he kind of was like, no, really seriously, where are you at?
		And I said, no, I'm serious.
		He's right next to you.
		Which I wasn't really lying, technically behind you.
		I said, turn on your head, you know, overhead light.
		And he turns it on and says, well, you're wearing a hat.
		You've got a pack of cigarettes on that standing.
		You're wearing a yellow shirt.
		And he reaches up and turns off the light.
		And I said, well, let me kind of explain.
		He says, back in 1976, I was driving down this road.
		It was a horrible snowstorm at Mile Marker, I think it was 377, just outside of Army.
		I had told him that there was a school bus of kids that had spun out on the interstate, and I accidentally hit them and killed them, including myself.
		And the higher power basically told me I am cursed to the roads until I save all the souls that I've taken.
		And he asked me what my handle was, and I was sitting there trying to think of a really good handle.
		And I knew the question was coming up because I set him up for the question.
		Anyway, he asked the question, and the only thing that blurted out my mouth was Ghost Raider.
		Now I'm sitting there hanging in my head on the walkie-talkie going, gee, that wasn't original.
		But anyways, he was kind of had this weird, oh yeah, he bought it.
		He had a weird look on his face the next morning, and everybody at the truck stop has pretty much heard the song Phantom 309, and they, you know, truck drivers talked, so we just kind of ran with it.
		Well, that was the whole bit there.
		The odd thing I saw was, ironically, in Utah.
		Yes, right turn.
		Turn right here.
		And he, at Biomarker 56 on Interstate 80, it wasn't exactly dark, but it wasn't light out.
		It was good dusk.
		And I saw, it was on the south south side of the interstate, and there was an orb that lit up.
		It's about a mile off of the road, probably about 200, 300 feet above the ground.
		And you can see around the orb.
		You can see behind the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got to hurry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're running out of time.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, what happened is one appeared next to it, one appeared above, and it just five straight up in a column, and they all disappeared.
		I was just curious, has anybody else seen that before?
		Have a good one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Take care.
		Keep it together out there on the road, definitely.
		And by the way, the prize might go to Lori.
		I don't know where Lori is, but she sends me a wormhole message that the most evil thing she ever did was typing out an IRS audit letter to her sister.
unidentified		That, you know, that might be the winner so far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure, but it might be the winner.
		We're out of time, leaving the lines all full.
		I love open lines.
		I really do.
		Y'all be good now, and I'll see you next week.

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