Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeath of the Ghost Investigators Society (GIS) discuss unsettling EVPs—childlike whispers like "Mama doesn’t want you here" from cemeteries, distressed voices from Civil War sites ("Why? Because the bullets in it?"), and hostile warnings ("get out") from haunted locations. Their 20-year-old team avoids new members due to unshakable synergy, yet spirits linger, tied to places like Utah’s Lehigh Pioneer Museum or a Victorian mansion, where responsive but troubling messages emerge. Callers share eerie encounters, including sleep paralysis visions of monstrous figures and Native American voices, while Cook dismisses reverse speech theories but admits some entities may resist investigators’ presence. Bell frames their findings as potential evidence of a "negative existence" beyond death, leaving listeners to ponder whether these phenomena reveal lingering consciousness—or something far darker—before signing off from Manila. [Automatically generated summary]
From the Southeast Asian capital city of the Philippines, Manila, I bid you all good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you may be in the world's time zones, many as, and there are many of them.
It's, in fact, afternoon as I speak to you here in my darkened room.
I'm Art Bell, and this, ladies and gentlemen, is the largest overnight talk radio program in the world.
It's called Coast to Coast AM.
And I'm filling in for George Norrey, who's taking a well-deserved night off.
And it's going to be a very interesting program tonight.
And we'll get to that in a little bit.
Let me fill you in on some news here in a moment.
First, I guess, all the ABs are certainly healthy and well.
In fact, if you go up to the website, you will see a photograph of the ABs at the zoo, the Manila Zoo.
And what we're holding in our hands, the three of us, is, yeah, an alligator.
It's an alligator.
Now, they had a little tape around the front of his mouth there so that it wouldn't eat Asia or some part of us or something.
But it is indeed an alligator.
There's no question about it.
Alligator and then a couple of birds sitting on our shoulders there.
Kind of interesting.
Manila Zoo is pretty hands-on stuff.
Let's see, what else is going on over here?
Well, we have a big volcano getting ready to rip, and I'll tell you about that, too.
During the time since I last spoke with you, we had martial law declared here.
Well, not here in Manila, not here on Luzon, but down on the island of Mindanao in a place called Maguindanao, which is sort of a large province on the island of Mindanao.
And there was a slaughter down there allegedly committed by the Ampatuans, the family down there that was in an argument with another family, and it was politics.
And I'm sure you saw it in the news, and they declared martial law.
And for a lot of us here in the Philippines, it was memorable of the last martial law, and it scared the hell out of everybody, frankly.
But martial law has been uncalled, undeclared.
And so we're back to normal, but the investigation, of course, continues.
Mindanao is troubled frequently by terrorists of varying sorts and warlords and that sort of thing.
Makes life interesting.
Life is interesting here.
Also, I noticed earlier today, I was very shocked.
The traffic here in the Philippines is how to put this.
It's chaotic and it's congested, but there is, after you've been here for a year or so, there's a method to the madness and a sort of a way it works.
Now, when you look at the traffic here, you would assume that there would be dead bodies littering the roads everywhere, but there aren't.
It doesn't move fast because it's too congested to move fast.
So you don't have a lot of really terrible accidents, except the guys on motorcycles who are out of their minds zipping around.
They get clipped.
But other than that, you get fender benders.
And you don't really have...
So I saw a headline earlier today in the news that there was a manhunt underway for somebody who allegedly shot somebody else over a road rage incident here in the Philippines.
I went, what?
Most Filipinos just expect that it's going to be terrible and it's part of life.
And so you, you know, you say, okay, that's the way it is.
We're in traffic.
You know, forget it.
And then I looked a little closer and sure enough, it's an American citizen.
So, you know, if it's the first road rage thing I've ever seen over here, frankly, and turns out to be an American, kind of figures.
We have no patience on the road at all, huh?
And especially over here.
I mean, an American over here has just got to adjust.
If you don't adjust, you will go out of your mind.
So you adjust.
You become sort of Filipino.
I think that's happening to me.
So, you know, a lot has happened.
I mean, volcanoes, I'll get to the volcano, martial law.
It's kind of odd to be in a country where martial law is declared.
I was actually in the Philippines last time martial law was declared by Ferdinand Marcos.
And I never even noticed, frankly.
Of course, an awful lot of disappeared Filipinos did.
I was on an Air Force base at that point, close to Vietnam.
Anyway, let's look at the national news.
You might really want to take a look at that Manila Zoo photo.
If you click on it and then click on the next one that it takes you to, it gets bigger.
So you can get a pretty good look.
It was a lot of fun.
Let's look at the U.S. news or the world news, I suppose.
Obama brokers climate deal, but it doesn't satisfy all.
Of course not.
Two years of laborist negotiations on a climate agreement ended Friday with a political deal brokered by none other than our president, Barack Obama, with China.
Now, China was being very recalcitrant.
They just didn't want anybody checking up on whether or not they were really keeping the agreement and some other emerging powers.
But the whole thing was denounced by poor countries because it was non-binding, set no overall target for curbing greenhouse gas emissions.
The German Chancellor, a leading proponent of strong action to confront global warming, gave Copenhagen a grudging acceptance, but said she had mixed feelings about the outcome, called it only a first step.
Well, I guess here it comes.
After marathon talks, the Obama administration and Democratic leaders appear now to be in agreement with Nebraska Senator Ben Nelson late Friday to provide the crucial 60th vote needed for Senate passage of health care legislation.
Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada intends to unveil a final package with changes in the long-debated legislation on Saturday, but he's confident it will prevail.
So we'll see.
Iranian forces crossed into Iraq, where they seized an oil well just over the two countries' disputed border.
Now, you know, Iraq and Iran had been, of course, old enemies since the fall of Saddam Hussein.
Things had been improving.
This certainly is not going to help.
Get ready for snow.
By the way, the temperature here is probably about 80 degrees or so.
But reading about the northeast, a major storm is moving up the Atlantic coast on the very last shopping weekend before Christmas.
And it's threatening to shut down much of the region as officials warned of up to 20 inches of snow and significant power outages.
People stocked up on groceries and other Staples Friday after the National Weather Service issued storm warnings from the Carolinas all the way to Rhode Island.
So white Christmas coming up, folks, in the northeast.
Sounds interesting, but I think I'll enjoy it from our 80-degree weather here.
Okay, well, here we go.
I'm sure you may have seen pictures of it on CNN and elsewhere.
There is a volcano a couple hundred miles to the south of me here in Manila, and it's a big one, and it's getting ready to go.
Reading from a local news story, the Philippine Institute of Volcanology and Seismology on Friday warned that with the Mayan volcano's increasing restiveness, the chance of a hazardous eruption is now, in quotes, high.
Alert level three remained hoisted over the Mayan volcano.
Since an increasing trend is noticeable at present, they say, the possibility of the hazardous volcanic eruption is very high.
Mayan volcanoes activity intensified with seven successive ash eruptions in a matter of two hours on Friday morning, 724, 725, 743, 8.32 a.m., 8.33 a.m., and 8.44 a.m.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, like that.
They said the successive ash explosions are indications of an intensified activity of that volcano.
He said seven ash explosions were also recorded throughout the day on Thursday.
Radio DZMM, how's that?
Reported that the 7.25 a.m. ash explosion went about a kilometer above the volcano's summit.
They also detected about 248 volcanic earthquakes and tremors for the last 24 hours.
They're saying if the volcano continues its increased activity, a major explosive eruption may happen very soon.
Now, you may recall with Pinatubo that it affected the world's weather for some time.
Now, I'm hoping the explosion is not that big because if it was, it would affect us here in Manila, and I suppose it would rain ash.
They've got an eight-mile area, and they're moving everybody out of it.
Well, they're trying to move everybody out of it.
They've moved all the farmers out of it.
It's a lot of people.
Talking about between 30 and 50,000 people that the government is moving away from the volcano, but the farmers keep going back.
You know, they're worried about the crops.
They're worried about their animals.
They're talking about a state of calamity.
That's what they call it over here when this kind of thing happens.
The military and police on Thursday night began forcibly evacuating residents who have refused to be brought to temporary shelters, which are located outside the six to eight kilometer danger zone of that volcano.
The Provincial Disaster Coordinating Council expected to evacuate all 9,946 families from the danger zone on Friday.
So that's going on, still going on right now.
Only military personnel are allowed inside the danger zone.
And I must say, this could be a world event.
It is a gigantic volcano.
If you get a chance to see, you know, lava is spewing right now.
So if you get a chance to take a look at some of the pictures on CNN and elsewhere, it's really something to see.
It is nature at work.
And these kind of calamities just seem to sort of visit themselves on this part of Southeast Asia.
You know what I really want to do?
I want to drive down there and see it.
There was another more minor eruption in 2006, and I almost went then.
This time, I may go.
I really, really, really want to see it.
I'll have a little more news.
We'll take a break, and then I'll have a little more news coming right up.
All right.
By the way, I'm still working on my antenna project.
I don't have the final, final, final permissions.
Things over here on this side of the world operate very, very slowly.
And, you know, you get engineers and they have to make plans and everything.
But eventually, with a little bit of luck, I'm going to have an antenna up on the roof here and going to be on the air.
So it's getting closer, inch by inch by inch.
The paperwork is astronomical.
From Paris, astronomers have discovered a new Earth-like planet.
Hear about that?
It's larger than our own world, may be more than half covered with water, according to a study published Wednesday in the science journal Nature.
The so-called super-Earth is about 42 light-years away.
Now, that means if you could travel at the speed of light, it would take you 42 years to get there.
So it's in another solar system, has a radius about 2.7 times larger than that of our planet.
They think the discovery of the planet called GJ1214B represents a major step forward in the search for worlds similar to Earth.
The newfound world is, unfortunately, too hot to sustain life as we know it.
That's too bad.
Its density suggests, however, it is composed of about three-quarters water and other ice and one-fourth rock.
So there are tantalizing hints that the planet has a gaseous atmosphere.
Its temperature estimated, well, somewhere between 280 and 120 degrees Celsius, 536 and 248 degrees Fahrenheit, respectively.
No, we don't want to be there.
With its host star about a fifth the size of the Sun, despite its hot temperatures, this appears to be a water world, according to Zachary Berta, a graduate student who first spotted hints of the planet's presence.
It is much smaller, cooler, and more Earth-like than any other known exoplanet.
And an exoplanet, of course, is one outside of our solar system.
Berta said some of the water would likely be in crystalline form that exists at pressures greater than 20,000 times our Earth's sea-level atmosphere.
So even though it's Earth-like, it isn't that Earth-like.
It would be good if we could find another planet that wouldn't be that far away.
I use that term very loosely when we're talking about light years.
Because the way things are going, we may eventually need one.
This item, the Indian Space Research Organization, or ISRO, has announced a discovery a little over a year ago that may indicate there may be life on the surface of the moon in some places.
Now, wait a minute.
The incredible discovery was yet another groundbreaking lunar revelation thanks to India's Chandrayaan-1 probe.
Those who have been following that probe, remember it was the first lunar probe to detect signs of water on the moon.
This, of course, was confirmed later by the United States and Russia and many.
The announcement made at the International Radar Symposium Friday afternoon, the discovery specifically, was an analysis that indicated beyond a reasonable doubt that there were compounds composed of carbon.
That is interesting.
Carbon compounds, of course, decaying, indicate that there was once living matter now dead on the surface of the moon.
And it's not a large leap from there.
If something we don't know about died on the moon, then there might be something alive up there as well.
Well, I think that's hogwash.
What I think is that, yes, they've probably discovered decaying carbon something.
And that certainly is interesting.
But, you know, I think most people agree or believe that the moon, our moon, was carved from the earth, like that, at the beginning of everything, shortly after the Big Bang.
The Earth came into the path of something big, and there was a big boom, and the moon separated from Earth, right?
Well, prior to that separation, there probably were carbon forms of, who knows, plant life, animal life, early animal life, whatever.
And I think it's indeed a leap to suppose that there's life on the moon.
I mean, what kind of life?
There's no atmosphere.
It's either real cold or real hot.
It's not hospitable to any kind of life that we could imagine.
What I do imagine, again, is that the moon was once part of Earth.
And so I think that's where it came from.
But, you know, it makes a good story.
All right, listen, coming up in a moment, after the bottom of the hour, we're going to be talking with the GIS.
That's the Ghost Investigators Society.
Ghost Investigation Society.
Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth are both members of the Ghost Investigators Society, GIS.
The Ghost Investigators Society is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the investigation of ghosts.
Now, not only do they conduct investigations, but also instruct, assist, and educate anyone who believes that they may be experiencing ghostly phenomena.
Or, you know, just some of you who are simply curious.
In an effort to educate the public about ghosts, the GIS hopes the EVPs, the electronic voice phenomena presented, will help demonstrate that the consciousness, our consciousness, does survive after the body dies.
And that these voices may help to give something of a different perspective about life, death, and ghosts.
Now, personally, I hope that ghosts really exist.
We can sit here all night long and take ghost stories.
I'm not going to do that, although I'm sure we'll get some later.
But I personally, really hope that ghosts do exist.
Now, if they don't, that doesn't mean there is not an afterlife.
But if ghosts do exist, that does mean there's an afterlife.
And that's pretty serious business in a lot of ways for those of us who are looking forward to something of an afterlife, if you will.
I know I certainly am getting close to it every day, closer to it every day, as are we all.
And of all the things that we could do, as in taking ghost stories, I think that EVP, electronic voice phenomena, the ability of people to, And it's not just my guests tonight that have done this sort of thing.
It's people all over the world.
Just average people like yourself.
It doesn't take, it's not a big deal.
All you do is get a recorder, go to an appropriate location, do some recording.
And I'm telling you, I have had hundreds and hundreds of emails from people who have done it.
And after tonight, more of you will do it.
You'll go out and give it a try yourself, and you will get these voices.
These folks haven't written a book.
They don't ask for money.
They're a non-profit organization.
Let me tell you, of all the guests I have on that talk about ghosts, I think these are the most credible of them all.
There's no doubt about it.
They are the most credible.
So if ghosts exist, your idea or your ability to believe in that, to grasp it, will be underscored tonight if you listen carefully.
And I hope you do.
A lot of people say, I don't believe that.
Stick around.
Listen carefully, and you may believe.
It is.
And by the way, last week we were, yes, we were in Guam, the island of Guam once again, which technically, as you know, not technically, it is the United States and about only a three-hour flight from here.
So yes, Norman, in Arizona, we were in Guam once again.
Nice to set foot on U.S. territory.
There's one other note here, and that is, Art, are you set up to receive Fast Blast tonight?
Yes, of course.
I'm really set up here.
I can answer phones, hang up.
Whatever it is that I can do from there, I can do from here.
It's really amazing.
You know, to be able to do a long-form talk show from the other side of the world is maybe I'm showing my age.
I don't think so because nobody else has ever done this, to the best of my knowledge, a regularly scheduled long-form talk show, you know, four hours, from the other side of the world of most of the listeners.
It's astounding, simply astounding to me.
And I don't astound easily.
Tomorrow night, Ian Ponnet is going to be filling in for, well, he's not filling in for anybody.
He's just tomorrow night.
Ian Ponnet, hi there, buddy.
What do you got online for tomorrow night?
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Hey, Art, of all the many things you've done in all of these many years, have you ever written a novel?
Well, you know, it's the same guy who did the day after tomorrow.
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Right.
Oh, I tell you, I wondered whether he had even sent you a note about that.
Because tomorrow night, Jim Marsh is going to be on, and he's written his first novel called The Sisterhood of the Rose.
And so Jim takes a lot of his research that he has been putting together for years in various nonfiction works, and he's assembled a cast of fictional characters to help tell the story of something which he believes could have happened.
In a moment, Barbara Macbeth, Brendan Cook, and the Ghost Investigators Society.
All right.
Let me read a little bit from the GIS website.
It says, the society is comprised of five individuals who have come together due to a common interest, ghosts.
Every member has an equal standing in the society.
There's no one of higher status than any other.
I don't think they have a secret handshake.
Some members may have more knowledge or have had more experiences on the subject, but all members have equal status.
There's a coordinator to notify members of meetings, events, and investigations, and on occasion, there will be a spokesperson when needed, but there is no founder, no president, or any other such titled person.
Even though we enjoy what we do and we have fun when conducting any investigation, we're also very serious about what we do.
Our equipment consists, listen carefully, of cameras, tape recorders, sound meters, motion detectors, infrared, other such devices that help us find the spirits of the dead that dwell among us.
While we realize that some members are more, in quote, sensitive than others at feeling or sensing a ghostly presence, we don't use psychics, nor do we encourage anyone who claims to be psychic to attend any of our investigations.
Anyone can claim to be a psychic, doesn't Prove anything.
We do not indulge in satanic rituals or witchcraft.
It has nothing to do with ghosts.
We do not perform seances or use Ouija boards.
We discourage both and recommend to those of you who may indulge in this activity to discontinue the practice right away.
The entities who may come to you during these circumstances are not the same as those who remain as a ghost.
A ghost is normally linked to a place, and most ghosts seem to have a reason for remaining in this realm.
Don't confuse the two because they're very different.
Some of our members have been conducting investigations and looking for ghosts for years.
Other members have recently joined us and are just learning how to conduct themselves while on an investigation.
Our society is very involved with each other as members, and we teach and help one another.
As a society, we not only conduct investigations, but also instruct, assist, and educate anyone who believes that they may be experiencing ghostly phenomena or those who are just simply curious.
Sometimes we find that a ghost is not responsible for what we thought was some sort of ghostly activity.
The general public has a misconception about ghosts.
Most also have a preconceived notion of how a ghost is supposed to look.
Most people are usually wrong about both.
As members of GIS, we hope to help anyone who cares to learn and expand their minds in understanding.
We also try to help ease the fears toward the ghosts who have chosen to stay and coexist among us.
That's interesting.
Chosen to stay.
Chosen to stay.
Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth, welcome back to Coast to Coast AM.
Have you made, Have you come to any conclusions, either one of you, about those who choose to stay, what is life, life, what is the other side or this medium area that's in between?
What's it like for them?
Can they see us anytime they want?
Do they see everything around them, though we can't see them?
I do believe in a lot of cases they are aware of us.
And this goes into the EVP that we'll be playing.
You can hear where they are actually interacting with us, whether it's questions that we're asking them or just even interactions that us as a group are having by ourselves that don't even involve ghost investigating.
They will join in just as if they were part of the conversation with us.
And another thing, too, in our physical bodies, we are so it's hard to imagine not having limitations that we do physically.
When you if you consider yourself just a mental being without the physical limitations that we have, your capabilities and your senses, I think, are completely different.
But you know, I've got to bring up there have been documented cases where a person that has died has been witnessed by many different people in different stages of that person's life.
And so it makes me, you know, it could be a, you know, how we want, how they want to project themselves, I don't know.
But I know that there have been cases where a deceased person has been witnessed in different stages of their life, young and old.
The where, you know, how the place looks, the history of the place, and also, I mean, the context of what was happening at the time the voice was recorded.
I did hear at the beginning of the show you talking about anybody can do this.
You can spend as much or as little money on it as you want.
And that's ultimately why we've been doing this as long as we have, to show people, if you don't believe it, just try it.
I mean, it's not going to hurt you.
Everybody has something in their house that can record some kind of sound.
Look, I've had hundreds of emails, thousands of people that after hearing one of these programs have gone out with a recorder, you know, and great doubts, but interested.
And they come back and they get something.
And they write me and say, wow, Art, you were right.
And actually, that's why I brought up my previous point.
The first nine or ten voices are actually voices that have been sent into us over the years from people who have heard us on your show mostly and went out and did it themselves.
And now what's really neat is you know over the years how many children's voices that we've played.
I mean, there are quite a few.
Now, this first voice was recorded by a lady named Anna.
And you're going to hear a man say, I got this EVP at Sun Prairie, Wisconsin Cemetery.
Or no, excuse me, he doesn't say that.
That's where he actually recorded this.
It's in Wisconsin Old Rural Cemetery.
You're going to hear a man, and this is the investigator, say, if there's any children here, please speak loud and clear so that I may understand you.
You're going to hear him kind of walking.
Then you're going to hear him say, I will be exiting your grave site.
And after that, you're going to hear a child say, and this is the EVP, say, Mama doesn't want you here.
I mean, if you buy this, and I think I do, I've bought it for years because I can't find any holes in it, then it might be like a new religion, and it certainly might.
Either way, it might bring you to your knees.
Just keep listening.
I'm Art Bell, Barbara Macbeth, Brendan Cook, the Ghost Investigators Society are my guests, and they will be right back.
All right, we're going to begin moving through these a little more quickly at this point.
These are actual recordings of voices from, I don't know if I want to say the other side, but certainly on other sides.
Barbara Macbeth and Brendan Cook, again, you two, you think that this is clearly all the way, you don't think it's clearly all the way over to what we think of as the other side or heaven or something like that.
These are instead spirits who remain in some sort of, is purgatory an appropriate term?
Okay, this one that was sent to us was recorded at the site of a car accident that had taken place, they said, about three weeks prior to this recording.
And you're going to hear a woman say, hey, did you just stop and then go on and then go again?
And then you're going to hear a man say, what's wrong?
It wasn't so much, you know, when I read initially this woman's email and I saw the context of what she said and then what the EVP supposedly said, and she had mentioned that her grandmother had passed on just recently.
You know, I assumed, well, maybe it's her grandmother until I listened to the clip and then listening to it, I said, no, that doesn't sound like a family member kind of love me.
Maybe there still is some sort of let me ask you, in previous cuts, all the ones you've done in the past, is there any indication that there is still the right word?
I don't know, still the sensation of sexuality on the other side?
Okay, a lady was preparing a video recording for her husband that was overseas, her and her daughter.
And you're going to hear the woman, he's in the military, and you're going to hear the woman say to her daughter, say goodbye, and the daughter says, nope.
And you'll hear what sounds like a child say, Kristen, want your mommy and daddy.
And then a creepy man's voice says, say goodbye.
And this was on a video.
She heard these voices after she reviewed the video.
And again, I don't know if we mentioned this already tonight, but EVP, I mean, it is extremely subjective in that, you know, obviously we're telling you what we think the voice is going to say.
And so your brain is obviously going to listen for that.
Right.
And it could be even my fault for, you know, I'm taking her saying the woman that recorded this, say goodbye.
And then I hear that man and I'm thinking he says say goodbye.
Okay, actually, these next two were recorded by the Colorado Springs Paranormal Association.
And they're actually, they're quite good.
This first one was recorded by one of their members named Paulina.
And it was recorded in a bed and breakfast in a room called the Red Crag Room.
And in this room, apparently before it was a bed and breakfast, there was an old lady that Used to live there, and she was just kind of a shut-in in this room.
And you're going to hear the investigator, Paulina, say, Are you ready to go to bed?
Are you tired?
Are you tired of talking to us?
And of course, she's addressing whatever ghost might be there.
And then you're going to hear what sounds like an old lady.
The group that recorded this thinks that the lady says, Leave all of you.
You know, the one thing I can think of is, and it's a voice we played on your show years ago, we were in a cemetery, and we were just doing our normal thing, asking if anybody's there.
And we recorded this really old woman.
She just sounded upset and sad.
And Barbara had asked something.
I can't remember what it was.
And then all of a sudden, this old woman just says, I'm completely dead.
And it was just like almost the self-realization that she had had.
And we had recorded her voice before.
And once we recorded that, that I'm completely dead, we never heard from her again.
And it's almost like she just suddenly realized they're looking for me when they're out here asking for people to talk to.
And, you know, I wonder, and we've recorded voices that actually show this, almost a sense of frustration in the voice because they're talking in the EVP, but obviously we don't hear them at the time that we're recording.
And then you hear them again, and they just kind of seem frustrated that you don't hear them.
Listen, I realize that once you're sitting down in a slightly darkened room and you're listening to this sort of stuff, it can really scare the hell out of you.
So I don't think I'd recommend this for children, and frankly, some adults as well.
I'm Art Bell.
Good afternoon.
It is afternoon here in the Philippines from Manila.
I'm Art Bell, filling in for George Norway, taking the night off, and it's great to be here.
This is a very difficult subject.
These are electronic voice phenomena cuts.
They're cuts from, I don't know, some middle area before heaven or hell, I suppose.
It's troubling.
It's scary.
And, you know, I'm getting some fast blasts that indicate I'm not going to listen.
Barry in Vancouver, B.C. says we refuse to listen.
This stuff is not for anyone.
Well, this is the kind of stuff we do, and it is not for everyone.
And so fair warning, they're going to get even scarier as the night progresses.
So, you know, use good judgment.
If you have a child present who's troubled by this sort of thing, don't let them listen.
It's that simple.
They will get more troubling as the night progresses.
Okay.
I've got email.
If you'd like to email me, I'm Art Bell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L at mindspring.com.
A-R-T-B-E-L-L at mindspring.
M-I-N-D-S-P-R-I-N-G dot.com.
More G-I-S in a moment.
You too understand, I presume, that there are people out there who feel listening to this sort of thing is not healthy, not good for you, and beyond scary, just plain not healthy to listen to.
The closest, and this maybe goes back to what you brought up earlier about opening doors or something like that.
We do believe that we have had things follow us home from doing what we've done.
And, you know, I mean, I've lived in a house that was never haunted, and I did one investigation, and for a couple of weeks after that investigation, things started happening in my home.
And then it just moved on, and that was the end of it.
And see, and I'm glad you brought that up because that is one of the questions, especially recently that I've been asking, is do you have a concept of time?
I mean, is there, because that's something I'm really interested in.
You know, is that something that's man-made over here and just affects us?
Or do they over there have some kind of concept of time?
And the reason we do, I mean, yeah, you don't have to go to a cemetery.
But every county, every state has their local haunted cemetery.
You know, whether it's high school kids saying, well, if you drive around the statue so many times, it turns its head and looks at you, or if you flash your lights, you see whatever, whatever it might be.
I mean, there could be some truth to what's going on there.
I'm not saying a statue is going to follow you or anything.
You know, I mean, there's some kind of legend behind the cemetery.
So if we get enough calls from people saying you need to check out the cemetery, we'll do it.
Well, and my theory on that is I think it's also emotion.
You know, think about how much emotion is at a cemetery.
Loved ones keep coming back to the grave, crying, thinking about their loved one.
Loved one may come back just to see, you know, I mean, their family members are going to be going back to the cemetery, so maybe they come back to see if their family's there.
There's sometimes when you hear it, especially when I've heard it from other people sending us stuff, it's actually a product of doing a hiss reduction.
This one was not, it didn't have a hiss reduction done, otherwise you wouldn't have heard the wind like you did and all that.
As far as, and I do know the sound you're talking about, I'm not sure what causes that.
But, I mean, there's times we've heard it right before the EVP comes in.
It sounds completely normal up until maybe two, three seconds before an EVP comes in, and then all of a sudden you hear it.
Honestly, I've kind of always wondered that Since I first got copies of the tapes back in 2005, after listening to them, I mean, it was really interesting to listen to, this thing that I've heard about the entire time I've been investigating, and finally being able to hear it.
Again, I'm not present when you all go through the process of picking these, but what percentage of EVPs do you get that when you listen to them, obviously, whoever it is, is not happy?
Boy, I guess the power of suggestion is very, very strong because even though I tried to objectively listen, I really heard he's complaining again.
So, who knows?
And again, I think the way these are listened to, you sort of sit around as a group and you listen to them, and whoever gets the most votes for what was said is what you put down.
But it's interesting to see, if somebody wants to fast blast me and tell me what they heard in that one, I'd love to hear it.
And that brings up something that I always wondered about.
As you're saying something, Brendan, I always wondered why there wasn't more interruption.
In other words, if there was not a voice that was actually addressing you in real time, and it should happen as it just did in this one, where you're actually talking over part of the EVP, yes?
But what you're going to hear is me describing my surroundings, which is something I normally do because I use a big condenser mic, so I'm by myself most of the time.
I can't move it around or anything.
So, you know, we found that these entities actually interact with us when we're talking, whether it's to them or just by ourselves or to people in the group.
So I'm just talking about, you know, my surroundings.
I'm saying the shelves house artifacts, different historical things, arrowheads.
I've been told that one of the boxes has a scalp that was found on the side of the road somewhere.
The scalp's human, so that's wonderful.
What else?
It's dusty.
Video and photography would be absolutely useless.
And as soon as I finish saying useless, or actually while I'm saying useless, this man just starts singing.
Yeah, I don't know about show and tell and comparing it to school, but yeah.
Okay, so there you have it, folks.
We're at another breakpoint here, and that's just what we're going to do.
We take a break and we'll be right back.
But these are getting troubling.
We will have some open lines coming up in the final hour from Manila, Philippines.
I'm Art Bell.
So much truth in music.
It will soon be your tomorrows.
Believe me, a lot of truth in that.
I still feel like I'm in my 20s or something, but I'm not.
I'm now 64 years old, and it just sort of happened.
That's the way it works.
So keep it in mind, folks.
Life is short, even though it doesn't seem that way.
And toward the latter end of life, time seems to speed up.
It's a real phenomena.
It does.
When you're very young, of course, it's only very small.
One day is a very small portion of your life.
When you're very young, one week, very long indeed, a month, forever.
But as you get older, everything seems to speed up.
It's a function of...
More EVPs in a moment.
That OnStar commercial was pretty cute.
You know, how disappointing it would be, you know, if you're a thief and you get your car out there somewhere, your stolen car, and realize that, you know, the cops are on the way.
You'll hear the sirens, and then it's all over.
Very disappointing if you're a thief.
Very, very disappointing.
And I guess they're going to have to keep up with the technology.
All right.
EVPs are what we're all about.
We'll try and, we've got some real whoppers coming up, so we'll try and get through them in this half hour and devote the following hour to your calls, if we can do that.
There was a point where I thought I heard what sounded like a child, but being rational and skeptical like I am, that could be, you know, jump transmission, something like that.
I mean, I can't say that that was any kind of EVP.
The woman at the end, I do believe, was, definitely.
And it's just kind of odd the whole way the situation happens where the radio malfunctions like that and then the EVP comes in at the end.
Anyway, you're going to hear footsteps coming from upstairs, and then you're going to hear me say, okay, make a note to check at 1347 on the recording, you know, just to see if I could hear the footsteps on the recording.
Then the footsteps continue.
Then you hear me say, okay, something's definitely odd here.
I'm going to leave the condenser mic down here unless I see something or hear something upstairs.
Then I'll relocate everything up there.
As of now, I'm going to leave it down here and take the handheld recorder.
So I'm now exiting the room.
You'll hear me walk upstairs.
You hear me say, hello, can you hear me?
And then as soon as I finish saying, can you hear me?
You hear what sounds like crashing right next to the microphone downstairs where nobody should be.
Okay, we will do that one more time as we come back from the top of the hour.
We're going to take a break, and I can use it right now.
You're listening to EVP from the GIS, the Ghost Investigators Society.
I'm Mark Bell from the flip side of the world.
Manila in Philippines, Southeast Asia, we'll be right back.
Land of the Mayan volcano that's getting ready to go.
They really think it's going to blow big.
Hopefully, it will not.
But if it does, I suppose we could have an ash raining down on us here.
It's an interesting life here, to be sure.
Other side of the world.
And it's great to be talking with you.
It's great to be here, period.
My guests are the GIS, Barbara Macbeth and Brennan Cook representing the GIS this evening.
And we've been playing a number of cuts that I can, to me, they're extremely troubling, very troubling.
Why?
Because none of them are happy.
They're not happy at all.
So wherever they are, I guess I can only conclude for the most part, it's not a happy place.
The rest of you can just sort of, I guess, I don't know, let me know what you think.
What do you think we're hearing?
What do you think this is?
In a moment, we're going to replay cut number 19, which is certainly troubling.
All the banging and the, I don't know.
Anyway, listen, GIS back in a moment.
A couple of very quick things.
One is kind of a summary of the fast blasts that I've been receiving.
Those are messages I get by computer that come in virtually real time from all of you.
There was vast agreement that earlier, one of the cuts, or a couple of the cuts actually, were a Native American tongue.
And a whole bunch of different tribes were suggested, but nobody's quite sure.
The second, and I think very interesting observation from the Fast Blast would be that a high percentage of them seem to indicate that animals, cats and dogs, have been getting very, very disturbed by these cuts.
Now, I have no idea what that means.
I'm simply reporting to you the messages as I get them.
Do either one of you have any thoughts on animals getting disturbed by these?
The only thing I can think of is this isn't the only time it's happened in this house.
We actually went back there a couple months later, and in that exact same house, one of our members heard what sounded, was it marbles dropping on the floor?
He was in there by himself, and all of a sudden he said all hell broke loose and had banging footsteps up stairs going across the floor that he could hear.
Yeah, another wonderful and scary show at the same time.
Okay, gosh, this really is interesting.
Now, I've been listening to you guys for a while, and here's one of my conclusions.
Before I ask you a question, this is just what I think this could possibly be.
As Einstein basically said that light, things at the speed of light, we can manipulate time with the speed of light.
And our film knows as much as I do that the thought, human thought processes transfer faster than the speeding light.
That old saying is you're going so fast, you're going backwards.
Now, the thing is, a lot of people dream.
They have dreams and they see into the future.
I'm thinking what you're picking up some of these are people in the past dreaming and projecting their mental thoughts from a different time into your recorders.
You never see anything from the past.
You see them from the past, not from the future.
So because I do this a lot of times, I can dream and see things in the future.
I've been able to do that as a kid, drawing, and 10 years later, I'll see that exact image.
So I think some of these things you're seeing are from the future.
People sleeping in a meditated state, and they're actually projecting parts of the sleepscape into your taper cord.
You're actually picking up their dreams from the past.
And some of these are obviously are dead people, obviously.
And some people may be dead, but not fully dead.
Maybe in a coma and thinking that they're dead from a hospital.
All right, the only hole that I would shoot in that is that so many of these are responsive in some way to something said in real time.
If what you're saying or suggesting is true, then it ought to be completely non-responsive to anything any of the GIS members or anybody else doing these would say.
unidentified
No, no, that's incorrect because when you're dreaming, you're actually in that dimension.
When you're sleeping, you travel into that dimension because I do that too.
I went to the year 2080 just to see what it was like, and you could interact with people there on a mental level.
They think that it's their own thoughts, but you could communicate with people.
You could ask remote viewers.
They do the same thing, too.
You can move your mind into the future and communicate with people in the future and interact with them.
I've had a lamp where I plugged it in, turned it on, unplugged it, and the light still stayed on until I thought in my head, how could the light still be on?
Your house was built on a place that had a prior home on it.
unidentified
Right, right.
Yeah.
I do have a picture where I actually took a picture of a piece of artwork on my wall, and you can kind of see like this white, oh, it almost looks like a, I don't know, a ghost or something.
And then you could see little faces in there.
And then it looks like a, almost like a witch with a robe on.
Yeah, it's kind of difficult for us to go back in each case and replay.
So hopefully not too many people will suggest that.
Still, it does show the power of suggestion.
Off to Spokane, Washington.
And Jeff, you're on the air with GIS.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning.
Yeah, two things.
First, I put myself in the place of the ghosts, if that's what they are.
I wouldn't want my living space being turned into a permanent or a popular research site, and I'd be doing anything I could to get people away.
I'd be going moa, you know, scared anything.
And, you know, you know, it's like, I mean, you put like a protective barrier around your place in Perumph.
I mean, maybe the only weapon they have to keep people away is putting on some false, scary facade and, you know, keeping these people, keeping the media away.
I think you're on to what does take place and why.
From the recordings that we did at this location, it was obvious that the band didn't want us there.
He wasn't happy that we were there.
And on both occasions that we were at this house, the banging, the loud footsteps, anything to try to freak people out to get them out of there took place.
And I think that happens a lot of times on places that we have gone, and activity is intensified.
unidentified
Yeah, and my second thing is: maybe we're scaring them, and maybe they're more innocent, perhaps, than we realize.
Maybe their reactions might be from thinking that they're seeing a ghost.
Welcome your calls, and certainly would welcome your observations about what we're hearing.
It's nothing troubling.
Boy, it is troubling to me.
From Southeast Asia.
Just a hop, skip, and a jump from Vietnam, Cambodia.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast A.M. None of us will really know until the time's up, our time.
But when you listen to things like you've heard tonight, if you've been with us, it's impossible not to speculate about what we're hearing.
Simply and absolutely impossible.
More GIS in a moment.
Well, again, Barbara Macbeth and Brendan Cook, and they live in Utah.
They simply go out and record at various locations the kind of things that you've been hearing this night and offer them up for your consideration.
And that's exactly what it is.
It's your consideration, what you think they are.
I'm very interested in what you think they are.
Dan in La Mesa, California, welcome.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
I'm very excited to be calling.
This is the first time I've ever called on the show before.
I know what tracks number 14 and 15 are.
They're both in Polish.
And the first one is the Christmas song in Polish.
And the second one is a Polish national anthem.
And I know this because, yeah, when I was a kid, I'm 32 years old.
And when I was a kid, my mom is full Polish.
And she taught us, myself and my two brothers and sisters taught us how to sing these songs for Christmas time and just to kind of get our heritage type thing.
And I had to do a double take when I turned the radio on and I heard that playing.
And then when you played it again, it was totally clear to me that the number 14, the female that's singing, she's singing a Christmas song.
And then the second one, the male, singing the Polish National Album.
Well, you know, we frequently had questions about other languages.
And so there you are.
It really does come occasionally in other languages, although the bulk of EVPs seem to come in English.
Just occasionally you get them in other languages.
And that certainly was the case.
Wow, that's fascinating.
All right.
New Orleans, Louisiana.
Natalie, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hello.
Hi.
How are you doing?
You're my favorite, favorite, favorite.
Anyway, I just wanted to tell you a couple of things.
First, you're asking our opinions on everything that we're hearing.
I believe I've seen and felt and heard all sorts of things since I've been on Earth, and I believe in multiple existences and parallel universes and dimensions and all that because I'd know for a fact that death is not at the end.
It's just an illusion.
It's real, but it's a transfer is what it is to another.
That's all I can say.
But anyway, I wanted to tell two stories, but first on that, I would like to say that I believe that everything is made of energy, of course, and electricity.
And we're very capable of leaving imprints.
While we're here, we leave huge imprints.
And when we leave to transfer to the other, we leave imprints as well.
And sometimes we're able to access this realm, you know, basically you're free.
You're not tied down.
You're able to access with voice and sometimes, you know, physically too.
Okay, but if they're just imprints, Natalie, then how can they be responsive to something contemporary?
unidentified
Yeah, that's what I was saying.
Sometimes they're imprints like a fingerprint, almost like in the past, like a memory.
And other times, that's why there's no rule on this.
Other times, they are spirits that either feel stuck or spirits that need to communicate something.
You know what I mean?
Like they either need to communicate with you or with others, purposefully need to communicate a message to you to let you know that they do exist and there is another side.
Because some people don't know that.
A lot of people do know that.
A lot of people do.
People that listen to your show probably do.
But let me give you two stories really quick because I don't want you to hang up before I tell these two things to all the people that are listening.
Okay.
My friend Candace died in May of this year.
She was very, very young.
She was 10 years old.
And she died in her sleep, and I was very, very, very, very upset one night at the movie theater.
I'd come out of the movies, and My friend and I were looking at pictures of her on our cell phones, and I felt extremely depressed and extremely sad.
And I started to cry when I was walking around leaving the theater by myself.
I heard a voice say, Look down at your feet.
And I looked down, and there was a little candy on the ground, like a heart-shaped candy.
Everything that she liked had hearts.
Everything.
She had heart stickers, heart, everything, hearts.
So I picked up the heart-shaped candy, and it was nowhere near Valentine's Day, and it said with you on it.
So I kept that and showed it to her mother and her grandmother, and they thought that it was very, very amazing and meaningful because they know her.
Okay, Ontario, TJ, you're on the air with the GIS.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning.
I have a quick question.
I just want to ask the professionals.
I'm going to slightly deviate off of what we're talking about, but I had an incident about a year and a half ago.
And just to tell you a little bit about me, I'm the most skeptical person I was when it came to things of this nature.
And if anybody ever told me that they believe in ghosts or any, or even talk to me about that stuff, I just think quack job, not job, or whatever.
But my whole thinking changed about a year and a half ago.
And what happened to me was it was after it happened, I looked it up somewhat.
It's in this internet age nowadays, so any questions, you Google it, you look for it.
But what it basically comes down to is a situation of sleep paralysis, but I actually saw a spirit.
Oh, I would say it's a ghost or whatever it was.
What happened was I was sleeping in my bedroom.
I sleep in the basement.
My family lives with me.
My mother and father take care of them.
They live upstairs.
The whole basement area is mine.
Walking down the stairs at about 2.30-ish in the morning, I was awoken by my aunt calling out my name.
My aunt, she lives across the street from me.
At the first instance, I heard the voice.
At the first time my name was called out, I couldn't make out who it was.
As the thing was walking down the stairs, I could hear it.
Second time, I heard my, I made out the voice.
It was my aunt.
And then all of a sudden, I'm thinking, 2.30 in the morning, something must be wrong.
It must be a death.
Something must have happened for her to be here at this time.
Then as my door opens up, I see a figure.
If you're in a dark room or even your house is the lights off, somebody walks by it.
We can't make out who it is, but it's a dark figure.
And so my door opens, bedroom door, the lights are off.
But at this time, I push up to my headboard on my bed just to get up a little bit because somebody's coming into my room.
But as the figure walks into my room, at this point, I'm thinking it's just my aunt.
And then I call out to her, no response, and it's still walking towards me, the figure.
It's a pretty large room.
I call the second time and no response again.
At this time, my mind goes completely the opposite direction, burglar.
And just like almost any guy or whoever in the house, you have a baseball bat or something around, laying around.
I quick, you know, just about to go to go get the baseball bat, think it's a burglar.
But just at that moment, the figure, it's like a cloud of smoke, but not just the shape.
It just flew up over and came straight towards my bed.
And then I just felt a huge weight on my body and I couldn't move.
I was almost paralyzed.
And then at that moment, I lie not, you know, as honest as I could say without sounding crazy, I saw hands that were, the fingers about three times the size of normal and the eyes were just sticking right out.
I couldn't really make out anything else except for the big eyes and the hair, just gray hair, and it looked like a white face just right over me.
And then I just jumped and I just swung at the thing and then ran and flicked the lights.
And I think I sat there for almost an hour and a half wondering what the hell had just happened.
It took me six months to shut the lights off before I went to bed.
As a skeptic, how come you didn't just think it was a bad dream?
unidentified
No, because first I tried to convince myself that, no, I was half asleep.
Remember, I wasn't half asleep.
And I tried to find any type of scientific reason that maybe it's when you're like in a half sleep state or something would cause you to imagine.
But the freaky thing was when I went online, I just put in what kind of happened, and then I found that there's something that they call the old hag, or there's a term to it anyways.
And they say it happens to people from all different continents, all over the world.
But the question is, I just caught the last part of the clip, the last clip, and that transmission there, or that sound, crash sound, the ones that you can't make out, have you ever thought about turning it around and running it backwards, playing it backwards?
And I know there's a theory about reverse speech and all that, but to me, that goes along with the psychics and things like that where you're trying to use something that's already unproven to prove something that's already unproven.
Of those that say things like get out or the equivalent of get out, and you take this back and you hear it later, does that discourage you from going back to that same location again?
It's obvious, and sometimes, just like what took place here with the banging and that going on, it's obvious that something isn't happy with us being there.
Well, all I can say again is of these fast blasts I'm getting, a lot of people have said their animals are disturbed just from what they've heard on the radio.
Apparently we lost Brendan and Barbara, but that's okay.
I think we can live with that.
It's toward the end of the program anyway, if we get them back fine, and we'll say goodnight.
But we're very close to the end.
You know, all of this is very, very, very thought-provoking for me.
Very thought-provoking.
I'm going to spend a lot of time thinking about this program, as I have each and every one of the GIS programs that we've done over the years, because I think it's the most credible evidence of some kind of life after death.
The troubling part of it is it doesn't sound like a good existence.
I won't say life, because apparently life is over.
Although suggested earlier in the program, and I think reasonably so, was the fact that perhaps when we cross over, kind of like the Matrix, and again, excuse the use of that expression.
The other side becomes Reality as real as what you're living right now.
And so perhaps were the ghosts that they occasionally hear as we seem to occasionally hear them.
I don't know.
It's really hard to say, isn't it?
But again, what you've heard tonight was presented for the for your consideration.
And I certainly hope you've done that.
And if you want to email me, remember I'm Artbell at mindspring.com.
I'd love to know what you thought you heard tonight and what you thought of the, I don't know, kind of negative aspect of most of what was said or heard.
At any rate, that's what Coast to Coast AM is for, not the usual, but the unusual.
From Manila in the Philippines, Southeast Asia, I'm Mark Bell.