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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Time Anomalies - Starfire Tor - Whitley Strieber

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the Southeast Asian capital city of the Philippines, Manila, I bid you good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's time zones, and boy, we've got a lot of them.
		I'm in one of the more obscure ones here.
		It's now, we don't switch times, by the way, here in the Philippines.
		Sanity prevails in the Philippines.
		So it is now not one o'clock in the afternoon, as I would normally be doing the program, but two o'clock in the afternoon.
		And that's because all of you switched something that something I've been campaigning against now for years, maybe all my life.
		I've always wondered why we switch times.
		The reasons are kind of obscure.
		I think they go back to the farming days in America.
		And I don't really think that the corporate, the big corporate farms with their giant machinery and all the rest of it really care what time it is.
		But what do I know?
		Anyway, all the ABs are just fine.
		As a matter of fact, if you take a look at the website, you'll see a picture of Asia, Little Asia, who is now just talking up a storm.
		That was taken on Halloween here.
		And she became a little angel officially.
		Has little wings there.
		You can see them.
		And she's growing quite quickly.
		She's now nearly two and a half years old.
		And she's really something.
unidentified		Really, really something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, there's not been a lot going on.
		I just bought, I had a laptop collapse on me.
		It just went belly up.
		And so I had to go buy a new laptop.
		Now, this is going to be an experience that a lot of you are going to have in the fairly near future.
		You're going to get a new computer of one sort or another.
		And let me tell you, it comes with Windows 7.
		Now, I've stuck, I never went to Vista, and I stuck with XP.
		So taking the jump from XP to Windows 7 is really, really traumatic.
		And I don't have a bad word to say about Windows 7.
		It's simply so utterly and completely different that, I don't know, you'll see what I mean when it happens to you.
		Eventually, it will occur to you.
		You'll lose a computer.
		They don't live forever.
		Nothing lives forever, us included.
		And they eventually die.
		And then you'll have to go out and you'll have to buy a new one.
		Well, prepare yourself because even though Windows 7 is a very intelligent, interesting, and I'm sure ultimately superior operating system, it is going to cause great mental strain for you, as it is me, although I've got it about 90% there, but it's been a several-day project.
		And so, you know, you're trying to transfer things and get things in the computer, and oh, boy, is it something.
		Windows 7.
		Beyond that, that's occupied a lot of my time lately, learning a completely new operating system.
		Other than that, I still don't have my antenna up.
		We're waiting for the typhoons to relent.
		We are in the middle of a kind of a respite, but we're expecting two or three more before the season ends.
		And it's been a long season, folks.
		A very, very, very long season.
		Looking briefly at the World News, I see that the big health care vote is about to happen.
		Suitably opaque Section 2006 takes up only a few dozen lines in a sweeping health care bill, but 2,074 pages of a health care bill.
		Senator Mary Landrieux, I believe it is, nor her state of Louisiana may not know a whole lot about it.
		Well, I guess she does.
		But it's due to deliver $100 million, $100 million in federal funds to her state.
		And in the process, clear the way for one of three moderate Democrats, fence sitters, to put their vote in what's considered to be the right place.
		So we'll have to see what happens.
		It's going to be the big vote on Saturday.
		Let's see.
		They're discovering more letters from Hassan, and we don't know yet what the content of those letters is, but there were certainly contacts.
		It's always you find out these things much later, don't you?
		Well, gee, we should have known.
		He was doing this, he was doing that, he was talking to this person and that person, and we really should have known, but we never do, do we?
		The Justice Department intends to drop manslaughter and weapons charges against one of the Blackwater Worldwide Security Guards, remember, involved in the deadly 2007 Baghdad shooting.
		That caused the Blackwater contract to be terminated, and I suppose many to join the unemployment line.
		Republicans are seizing on this week's recommendations.
		What a mess this has been for fewer pap smears and mammograms.
		It's dominated the news.
		By the way, I do get the news here.
		I get, of course, CNN.
		I get Fox.
		I get all of the big news organizations here.
		In fact, I watch NBC nightly news one day late.
		And the whole mammogram thing has really been dominating the news to have or not to have a mammogram, and it all winds into the president's proposed health care plans.
		California is investigating several companies suspected of bilking churches, can you imagine that, nationwide, of hundreds of thousands of dollars through fraudulent computer leasing schemes.
		I wonder if it was Windows 7.
		State Attorney General Jerry Brown said as many as 30 Southern California churches may have been defrauded along with the same companies suspected of bilking other churches in as many as 10 other states.
		Wow.
		And this is very, very Interesting.
		A couple of items are very interesting.
		One is the Big Bang machine, the Big Collider.
		Scientists switched on the world's largest atom smasher Friday night for the very first time since the $10 billion machine suffered a spectacular failure.
		That was about a year ago.
		It took one year of repairs before beams of protons finally went happily circulating around late Friday in the Large Hadron Collider for the first time since it was heavily damaged by nothing more than a simple electrical fault.
		Now, as you know, it's going to be so interesting to see what happens with this because there are those who believe that the large collider is actually being sabotaged from the future.
		In other words, it could be the end of all mankind.
		There are a few who believe that.
		You never know.
	Making black holes, you never know, right?
	So some people believe that, and we'll have to see.
	This is only the beginning.
	They've got it working apparently again in some fashion.
	And I don't know when they plan to try to make a black hole, but I assume they'll take it slowly.
	And I'm sure that something like a large bird will fly in and destroy the whole thing.
	And if that happens, that's going to give a lot of weight to that sabotage from the future thing.
	And then this, a Vatican researcher has rekindled the age-old debate over the Shroud of Turin, saying that faint writing on the linen is now proving that it was indeed the burial cloth of Jesus.
	Experts say the historian may be reading too much into the markings, and they stand by carbon dating that points to the shroud being a medieval forgery.
	But Barbara Frail, a researcher at the Vatican Archives, says, listen carefully now in a new book, that she used computer-enhanced images of the shroud to decipher family, rather faintly written words in, get this, Greek, Latin, and Aramaic, scattered all across the cloth.
	So maybe it is real Aramaic, huh?
	That's kind of how the world looks at the moment, until they really get that large hand-run collider going and create their first black hole, and then who knows if we'll have a world.
	All right.
	Following a break, we're going to have a very interesting program.
	Starfire Tor.
	I've never interviewed her.
	I know George has.
	But her subject is time.
	And I'm absolutely fascinated with time.
	Always have been, always will be.
	Starfire Tor is going to talk about time in several different respects.
	And Whitley Striber will join us 30 minutes or so into the show.
	Starfire Tor is a respected PSI researcher, scholar, author, and experiencer.
	I mean, she's part of this, who discovered the unified field theory of PSI.
	That alone is interesting.
	Time shifts, the core matrix, and has developed applied reality shift PSI science, including reality shift manifestation.
	These are going to all require definitions for us, explanations.
	Starfire Tor has published many research reports and investigations, was the head science writer for Quest magazine, wow, and at one time was a chief brain at a private think tank.
	Starfire Tor is currently working on her innovative interactive television series, Earthquirks, which incorporates her cutting-edge research and discoveries.
	She has vast knowledge.
	She's published works, lectures, interviews, field investigations, internet presence.
	Starfire Tor is also writing her first how-to book, Reality Shift Manifestation, which is based on the manifestation protocols she developed over years of research.
	So this is going to be, one way or the other, a very, very interesting program.
	And again, we'll be joined by Whitley Streeber at some point.
	With all that in mind, we'll take a quick break and we'll get underway.
	It's very interesting.
	Just before we bring on Starfire, Jeremy, I'll give his last name, and Tel Avar Iraq is listening to me right now.
	And I guess I ignore the fact that, you know, we're on around the world.
	So he listens.
	He says, hi, Art, welcome back.
	I'm a soldier in Iraq who listens to coast to coast a.m. from 9 a.m. to 1 p.m.
	So there you go.
	It really is all around the world.
	I've been listening since you were the regular host in the late 90s.
	Wish I could hear you more often.
	Take care, buddy, Jeremy.
	So there you go, all the way on the other side of the world in Iraq.
	Be safe, Jeremy.
	All right, Starfire tour.
	Welcome to Coast to Coast AM.
	I should say welcome back.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Art.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Nice to meet you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		it's nice to meet you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, um, I didn't have the luxury of hearing your first program, uh, with George, but time, um, Starfire is my, is it okay to show you, The first name is fine.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Starfire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		It's an intriguing first name.
		Is it your real given name, or did you sort of rename yourself at some point?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		It's a nickname and Americanization of my actual name, which is Astrid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Astrid Tor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, kind of exotic anyway.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		A little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before we get into the, you know, we've got a bunch of questions that I guess you sent along.
		Time, Starfire, has always been just, I don't know, I guess a central fascination for me.
		And I'm wondering, honestly, what you know or think you know nobody really knows about the nature of time itself.
		With all you've done, you must have come to some conclusions about the nature of time, what it's all about.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I have.
		You know, when I actually made my discoveries of time shifts and coexisting timelines and time slips, I wasn't looking to solve the mystery of time.
		I was actually trying to solve the mystery of paranormal events and other anomalies and enigmas that happen on the planet.
		And it's my research that actually brought me to the moment when I had that eureka moment in research where I tripped across what I've now discovered.
		And in that, I discovered the source and nature of time itself and the fact that we don't actually live in a singular timeline that is in the now and has a past and has a forward, but we are actually involved in many coexisting timelines, each slightly, just a little bit altered from the next.
		And they are separated not as parallel timelines because there's really no such thing.
		It's actually altered by frequencies.
		Very much the way that your radio show, if it's going out as a broadcast medium, you have all of these radio stations and you tune in the station that you want and that's what you'll hear.
		But it doesn't mean that every other broadcasting radio station in the world has suddenly stopped functioning.
		No, it's still there.
		And it's not in a parallel world.
		It's just slightly altered by frequency.
		So these coexisting timelines function very much the same way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Theoretical physicists now are talking about as many as 11 separate dimensions.
		Are you in agreement with that thought?
		Are there different dimensions as such?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm always happy anytime that the quantum researchers step into the fray and begin to talk about that there are more than one timeline, whether they call it timelines or dimensions or multiple worlds.
		Right now, anyone who would be calling it 11 dimensions, I'm just going to sit back and let them work through their own research because they have a ways to go, if that's where they're at.
		But I applaud them for stepping out and bringing it into the public just as I have.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said you discovered the source and nature of time itself.
		The way I understand things, before there was anything, before there was a Big Bang, Starfire, there was nothing.
		Essentially a great empty vacuum, and then there was the Big Bang.
		As soon as you had the Big Bang, then you had two objects, and a lot more than two objects, but as soon as you have at least two, then you have movement of two objects that you can measure.
		And once you can begin to measure, then you can begin to measure time.
		So time must have begun, I guess, when the Big Bang began with no objects, no movement.
		There could be no measure, so there could be no time.
		Does that seem logical to you?
		You said you discovered the source and nature of time.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Actually, there are two distinct ways that the brain understands the creation of everything, as you were discussing, and the Big Bang theory, and that actually works.
		However, there is another layer, a deeper one.
		You see, we are actually in a biological, what I call a core matrix.
		And that core matrix functions as a computer's hard drive.
		Except this hard drive, the core matrix, is life.
		It's not just a machine.
		And everything that we experience in our consciousness happens because there is a program running in this core matrix.
		And part of that program, which spawns the universe, the world, and everything we see, has its own physics.
		But the deeper physics is actually sourced through the core matrix.
		And what I do is I find a way to blend both worlds without interloping one into the other.
		So the Big Bang exists, all of quantum physics exists, but you have to know about the core matrix because if you don't, you're not going to understand the actual true nature of how the world works.
		And that includes the paranormal, anomalies, ghosts, hauntings, time travel, the way that our world seems to slightly alter from time to time, odd things like that.
		All of these phenomena are explained from my research and my discovery.
		And it's really...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brad's time.
		Brad Steiger and I wrote a book called The Source.
		And I don't know if you ever had a chance to peruse it, but the basic tenet is that everything you described, all of these phenomena are sourced in roughly the same place.
		It all comes from the same place.
		And I take it, though we may not agree on the place, that you feel the same way.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		All I can say, because I have to research it from the position of being in this human body using this human brain.
		So I can only see it from that filter.
		I'm sure that if I was something else, I might see a different picture, a larger tapestry.
		So right now, when I look at the core matrix, I recognize that there may be more than one core matrixes, that they themselves may be like the galaxies that we see, you know, how there's a micro and a macro world awareness.
		So, even though the human brain likes to think of one singular beginning, my intellect tells me that there's always something more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One quick question, because we're on a break.
unidentified		Was all of this created?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, all created.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I wanted to know.
		My guest is Starfire Tour, and we're talking about several, actually, we're talking about almost all of the paranormal.
		But we're going to talk about specifically time shifts and some weird things that do occur with time, and they really do occur.
		I'm sure many of you have had these experiences.
		So, Starfire Tour, Whitley Streeber, I'm Mark Bell for George Norrie, and we'll be right back.
		You are indeed.
		All the way from the Philippines in Southeast Asia.
		Great to be here.
		Hop, skip, and a jump from Bangkok or Hong Kong.
		It's all about an hour, hour and a half plane flight away, so that's where we are.
		And it is never, ever, I guess, normal for me to feel that I can sit here in Southeast Asia and speak to all of you around the world, all across the world, from so far away.
		It's just amazing.
		I don't think that anybody has ever done a long-form talk show.
		I mean, I've got a lot of admiration for Premier Radio to be able to have the guts to even try this.
		It's just astounding.
		All right, my guest is Starfire Tour, and we're talking about time.
		We'll be joined shortly by Whitley Streeber, but this has been a fascination all my life.
		We may not really know about the nature of time, the true nature of time, until we get that unified field theory that Einstein was working so hard on.
		That may be the moment, or there may never be a moment, until we meet our Creator.
		Then we may know.
		We'll be right back.
		I'd like to remind everybody that you can email me.
		I'd love to get emails, and I answer as many as I'm able to.
		I'm Art Bell, A-R-T-B-L-L, at MindSpring.com.
		Artbell at MindSpring.com.
		Now, Joe in, I believe it's Centertown, Kentucky, is being critical and says, she says that the different timelines are separated by, in quotes, frequency.
		Frequency, says Joe, requires something to be vibrating.
		What's vibrating?
		How does one measure the frequency?
		Requires some real measurable physics.
		Otherwise, it's not science.
		Well, I'm not sure that she claims that it is.
		Certainly, she doesn't claim to be a physicist, just to have discovered some oddities in time, Joe.
		And by the way, with regard to your comment on frequency, what about strings, Joe?
		I'm sure you've had an opportunity to listen to Michio Kaku, Dr. Kaku, who talks frequently about other dimensions, which is why I mentioned them, and string theory, of which he was a co-author of the discovery of string theory, and that would be the theory of vibrating strings.
		Yes?
		All right, Starfire, welcome back.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to bring Whitley on shortly, but before we do, I want to get an idea of what you consider a time shift.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		A time shift occurs when the conscious world around you, the everyday reality that you are used to, suddenly alters.
		Something in it alters.
		One of the more recognizable time shifts is when someone is very aware of time because they've looked at their watch and they walk into a building to a meeting, let's say at 2 p.m.
		They're in the meeting for about an hour and as they're leaving, it's suddenly 11 a.m.
		11 a.m.
		Time has shifted.
		Why?
		They don't know.
		Suddenly they find that the meeting was always for 10 a.m., but they have an actual memory marker that the meeting was for 2.
		They were there at 2.
		And suddenly there's been this change, and they don't know what to make of it.
		This happens to people all the time when time shifts.
		What has actually happened is the entire timeline has been altered.
		And I always talk about it in terms of computers and also frequencies because that's the best way for me to communicate in a way that most people can understand.
		Obviously, it's a much deeper, more complex science than that.
		So this is the type of anomaly that not only was I researching, but that I've experienced on a number of occasions.
		Was it just the locale where time was shifting?
		And then I began to write articles, including Quest magazine, about people who had experienced driving up and down the street where they live, where they've driven up and down thousands of times.
		And all of a sudden, right there, just a couple of houses away, is a whole completely other home.
		It's not the house that was there when they went away for lunch and they come back and there's completely other buildings.
		Now, everyone in the neighborhood says, what are you talking about?
		That's the house that's always been there.
		But this person has a memory marker, and they're not crazy, that says, no, there has been a change.
		Someone can have a favorite shirt and it might be yellow in color and they hang it up and the next day they pull it out and it's blue.
		And it's not because it went through the wash and came out wrong.
		No.
		Something has altered.
		These literally Happen with absolutely no scientific reasoning.
		In fact, no scientist except myself ever really tackled these anomalies.
		And this is what I mean by a time shift.
		That's the simplest way that people actually experience them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I know what you're saying because it's occurred to me, and I think it's occurred to most people, how are you able to be even reasonably sure that it's not some sort of just mental aberration?
		Certainly in some cases it is.
		But it's kind of like ufology.
		How can you be sure of what you've seen?
		How can you be sure it wasn't something that your mind is putting in front of you, and you think you see it, but you don't really?
		How do we differentiate between a mental slip and a real-time slip?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, when I first began this research, of course, everything that I was pursuing was anecdotal.
		So the first phenomenon that I'm faced with is this is an incredible human experience.
		If this is a mental illness, then wow, it's not even being addressed by psychiatrists or psychiatry at all.
		It's like what Dr. John Mack used to say about alien abduction phenomenon.
		If this isn't actually happening, then it is one of the greatest unspoken of psychiatric conditions, which is global and historical.
		Well, I was faced with the same problem with this until I actually got documented evidence, actual physical documented evidence, which I have to this day.
		And once I got that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, before we move to actual physical documented evidence, which I would love, how did you discover the phenomena yourself?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, something happened to you, right?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Ever since I was a child, I would see that there were slight changes in the way a piece of, say, a couch was, a different fabric was now on the couch, and I'd ask my mom or dad, and, you know, did you change it while I was at school?
		And they'd look at me sort of crazy and say, no.
		But I myself, and I'm very psychic, and I would have dreams where I would see what turned out to be events that would happen in a few days.
		I would see objects appear and disappear.
		These are called apports.
		I had the whole gamut of paranormal events happening to me, but I was also considered a prodigy.
		I was in advanced studies.
		I was very intelligent, And no one was calling me crazy, yet nobody could tell me why was this happening.
		And thus began, from my own personal experiences, my journey.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		If Whitley's Draeber's here, bring him forth.
		Whitley, if you're there.
		Hey, buddy.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I am here, indeed, Er.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It's good to talk to you and good to be on again with you after quite a while, actually, since we've crossed paths on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly has been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We talk on the phone every now and then.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's been a while on the air now.
		I didn't know you were involved with Starfire at all, actually, until yesterday.
		That's how out of the loop I guess I am.
		You've actually had experience in this area, right?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm going to, yes, I have.
		And the interesting thing about knowing Starfire is this, that before we knew her, Anne and I had never been conscious of anything like this.
		These experiences, and a little while later, I'm going to tell you a doozy.
		They happen actually probably a lot.
		Star if I could tell you how often, but once you're around her and you listen to her explaining this stuff, you begin to notice them.
		And we had a couple that I talked about with George the other night.
		And one I didn't mention to him happened right at the same period, right after we had met Starfire and really gotten into this a little bit and gotten to thinking about it.
		And that was we were walking home, and it was a perfectly normal afternoon.
		And we knew where we were.
		There was no secret.
		We were crossing a street.
		We were about three blocks from home.
		And we were in the middle of the street.
		I just looked up and down the street.
		And then suddenly we were in front of our building, in front of our condo with absolutely no, it was just astonishing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, we were just suddenly there.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there was no feeling of movement.
		There was nothing unusual about it.
		And I looked at Anne and I said, where are we?
		She said, we're home.
		I said, we can't be home.
		We're two blocks away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's what I'm glad.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		There was nothing else we could do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Here's what I want to ask you.
		Is it possible that you and Anne were involved in a significant deep conversation about something or another?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		We weren't at all.
		In fact, we were walking home from the farmer's market with some food we'd bought.
		And we weren't in any kind of a deep conversation.
		It was a Saturday morning at about 11.
		Maybe it was in the early afternoon, actually.
		More like about 1.
		I think it was, because the farmer's market had just been closing before we left.
		And it closes at 1, so it was early afternoon.
		And no, we weren't in any kind of a...
		I had looked both ways because we were crossing a street that had stop signs only on one side.
		The street we were, the part we were on, had stop signs, but the street we were crossing had none.
		And so I was being very careful so that we wouldn't have a car come speeding down while we were crossing the street.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, yeah.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That was it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So no, you were just suddenly there with no explanation of where that time went at all.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Except for that, that was the explanation.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That's what we finally decided.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, did you look down to see how much actual time had passed?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		No, I couldn't because I hadn't been looking at my watch.
		In other words, I couldn't, if I had glanced at my watch right before, yeah, that would have been valid.
		But since I hadn't looked at my watch at all, I did certainly look at the time, and it seemed like we'd been, it takes about a half hour to walk from the farmer's market.
		And I think we came to the conclusion that we'd been walking for about 12 minutes approximately.
		We were just estimating maybe 15 at most, but certainly not more than 15 or 20.
		We were at least 10 minutes, at least, we'd gotten there at least 10 minutes faster than we should have, and probably more, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would be willing to bet that if we opened the phone lines, which we'll do much later, but if we did and began to seek people who have had this experience, the phone lines would lock up.
		It would be total gridlock because this is actually a fairly common occurrence.
		It happens to people.
		Oh, and I have no rational explanation for it, but I know that it's true.
		What you're saying is true.
		What Starfire is saying is true.
		These things occur.
		I can't explain them.
		Apparently, Starfire thinks that she can.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it's a perceptual thing or not.
		Only there are other things that have happened.
		Like, we've had a number of incidents involving newspapers where we will read something in the newspaper, or one of us will, and then it won't be there anymore until a few years later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've had so many of those, Whitley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So many of those.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, exactly.
		They're very common.
		Only, in my case, annoyingly enough, it never involves things like the stock market or the lottery numbers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, here's one for both of you.
		I talked about this years ago.
		I thought, in my world, that Nelson Mandela...
		Remember Nelson Mandela?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That he had died...
		I remember distinctly that he had passed.
		And of course, not.
		He had then gone on to head up to South Africa.
		And I was absolutely, for the longest time, completely befuddled.
		I thought absolutely he had passed, but that was in some other world, some other time, some other place, apparently, because obviously...
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I've called her about that many times different things.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		I do have the answer to that for you.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		I can solve the mystery for you right now.
unidentified		Please.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Nelson Mandela is a person that I call a time-shift living dead person.
		In fact, Nelson Mandela, being dead, being alive, being dead, being alive, is documented on my interdimension research list.
		And you can read about the time shift living dead on my website.
		Here's how it works.
		The time-shift living dead phenomenon art that you have experienced, that Whitley has, that I have, that millions of people have, happens because when the timeline is altered, when a time shift occurs, no two timelines are exactly the same.
		And so whatever events have been altered in one timeline, you may have one timeline where you have a Nelson Mandela who has died, and then another timeline where he's alive.
		There is a glitch in the core matrix programming that is allowing our brains to remember dual timelines.
		I call these dual timeline memory conflicts.
		This is the evidence your brain needs to jar you into realizing that something is a little screwy with the reality.
		So right now we have, tell me, Art, is Nelson Mandela right now?
		Is he alive or dead?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think that he's alive.
		I don't want to stick my neck out, but I think that he's alive.
		I'm not sure.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		In this current dominant timeline, Nelson Mandela, thankfully, is alive.
		Okay?
		But your brain, your brain remembers, as is also documented on my interdimension list, my brain remembers, too, that Nelson Mandela died.
		Now, let's check a memory marker for you, Art.
		Do you remember any of the circumstances surrounding his death?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		His death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I do not.
unidentified		No.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Where did you hear about it?
		Did you read about it, seeing on the TV news, did somebody?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I actually kind of remember that it was big news when he died all over the media.
		Obviously, if Nelson Mandela passed, it'd be all over the media, right?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		So it's interesting that you bring Nelson Mandela up in particular art because she's got a lot of stuff about this particular person's being alive and dead on her website, as I recall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My longtime listeners, Whitley, know this is damn well true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I talked about it on the air quite a bit years ago, so they know it's true.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		I would love to know if I could get a date for the first show that you ever mentioned this on.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		I would love to incorporate that into my research, if you wouldn't mind if somehow there's a way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there is a way with recorded radio programs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, somebody has to start going through archives like crazy and trying to figure out when it was.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		But I'm putting out the request, if anybody can really provide the actual recording of from Art Bell's radio show when he mentioned that Nelson Mandela died, or that he realized he has a memory that Nelson Mandela died, but now he realizes that Nelson Mandela is alive.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Please get this information to Art Bell and myself and Whitley Streeber.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I promise you it can be recovered, Strifier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guarantee it'll take some work, but it can definitely be recovered.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Now, what has happened there, Art, is our brains, yours, mine, Whitley's, everybody's brains are the interface to the core matrix.
		And it's through this interface that the programming for the timeline, for the timeline, the reality of the timeline is processed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so I'll hold it right there.
		I hate to interrupt, but and Whitley, you also hold on, please.
		We're at a breakpoint.
		We'll be right back from Manila in the Philippines, Southeast Asia.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Eddie, Eddie, thank you from Rio Grande, New Mexico.
		Said, Art, didn't you receive a lot of calls from people who also believe that Nelson Mandela had died?
		I remember your commenting several times that you got those calls, and that's Eddie, and a lot of other people who've responded.
		You can send me a fast blast on the CoastTocoastAM.com website, and I'd love to have you do it.
		Anybody who can remember any associated dates with that, I'd certainly appreciate it.
		All right, Starfire Tour is my guest along at the moment with Whitley Streeber, and we're trying to make some sense out of something that I'm not sure ultimately will make sense out of, but it certainly is a real phenomena.
		It's an absolutely real phenomena, whatever it is.
		We'll be right back.
		Okay, Tom in Cincinnati, Ohio, asks if we can keep Starfire pinned to specific examples and not in la-la-land theory.
		Well, not with a subject like this, really.
		This is a real phenomena, but getting to the absolute bottom of it, I don't know.
		We'll see as time goes on.
		Leo in Mountain View, California asks a very pertinent question.
		Do time shifts happen to some people more than others?
		In other words, do some people remain mostly in one timeline?
		I think for the most part, I'm one of those.
		I've always, in a way, envied people who can sort of mentally go into la-la land and ignore reality.
		I've always felt stuck in reality, stuck in the moment, and unable to sort of use my imagination to travel elsewhere as a kind of an escape.
		I've never been able to do that.
		Too damn sane, frankly.
		Starfire and Whitley, welcome back.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, Art, you know, listening to that comment about grounding it more in theory, there's a very interesting aspect of quantum theory that may apply here.
		There's the famous paradox of Schrodinger's cat, which is a cat is placed in a box in which a random event may or may not cause the cat to be killed.
		Now, so therefore, we can't know until we open the box whether or not the cat is alive or dead.
		This is the so-called observer's paradox, a quantum indeterminacy.
		At the quantum level, the fact is that the cat would be alive and dead at the same time until the box was opened, and the so-called superposition that the cat was in defined itself into a certain state once the box was open.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's absolutely right, Whitley.
		And then I also believe there's an observational problem with quantum physics in the first place.
		In other words, when you actually watch it happen, it won't happen.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, exactly.
		But one of the most interesting things about the whole idea of quantum events taking place on a larger scale has been recently discovered.
		Previously, it was always believed that quantum events and things like superposition and indeterminacy and quantum entanglement only happened on a very, very, very small scale, like things like photons and electrons and nothing larger.
		Recently, it's been discovered that a fullerene, which is an actual particle, it's certainly not large by our standards, but in terms, compared to a photon, it's enormous, it can also be observed in superposition.
		This means that physical matter actually can go into superposition.
		And what that means in terms of our perception and our experience of the world, nobody actually knows.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		In other words...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do some people remain mostly in one timeline while others are shifting sort of back and forth or observing things that are changing?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, with the time shift, it's happening to everyone, whether you're consciously aware of it or not.
		There's nothing you can do about it.
		But there are some people who experience a time shift living dead event that are having memories of at least two different timelines.
		How can your brain both have a memory of Nelson Mandela being alive and Nelson Mandela being dead?
		These are very final outcomes.
		So this is where someone's brain somehow, for some reason, the assimilation that the core matrix does to cause people to never notice that timelines are changing, to always think that whatever's around them is the way it's always been.
		But that's not true.
		That's an illusion.
		Whitley, when he first had his sort of time jump when he was walking and he contacted me about it, that was sort of a first awareness and he thought of me.
		And from that point on, he began having more and more and more of these types of time slips that we began to document.
		You would be the same, Art.
		You wouldn't just be having a singular dual timeline memory conflict.
		You would be having other weird things happening too.
		But the way that my research begins is I take a phenomenon like, why do masses of people think that a very alive Nelson Mandela actually had died?
		And these are people from all over the world, do not communicate with each other, do not know what's going on, but they're contacting me independently, privately, to tell me this.
		So I have to say, what is this phenomenon?
		Okay?
		So this is where you have to understand that this is a phenomenon which is ignored by mainstream science, but is only one in thousands of interrelated phenomena and anomalies,
		all of which take you down a road, if you follow it, to present the core matrix, time shifts, reality shifts, coexisting timelines, and all of the other phenomenon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll give you a very quick example of another one that's occurred to me.
unidentified		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When I was younger, I can recall driving.
		You know, I love to drive.
		And any number of times when I was driving, not a lot, but a number, I would suddenly realize that I had arrived at a place, a town, or a destination that I'd been going to.
		And I didn't have the slightest idea how the last hour passed.
		I had no memory of the past hour of driving.
		And it scared the, you know what, out of me because you're out of control.
		I don't like feeling out of control.
		But I was just suddenly there.
		And obviously the time had passed.
		Obviously, I didn't get into a crash or do something stupid.
		I drove, but I had no memory of about an hour of the driving.
		Now, that has happened to a lot of people, not just me.
		I guess that's a time shift, right?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Well, not necessarily.
		I have scientific criteria that I do all anomalous investigations.
		So the first thing I do is I have to weed out any regular, normal thing.
		Were you daydreaming?
		How fast were you going?
		What was the traffic like?
		Do you remember passing this or that?
		And once I go through all of the criteria that will tell me if this is just somebody who wasn't paying attention or was speeding and got someplace faster, once I put that out of the way, then with that out of the way, it's still not answered, that's when we go into a time shift.
		And this also involves missing time.
		And in some cases, may even involve what some people believe are extraterrestrial abductions.
		I mean, there are many branches of the, how did I get there so fast?
		Or why did it take me so long?
		You know, where did the four hours go on a 30-minute driving trip?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, these are all legitimate questions.
		And here comes another one.
		You've come up with the term Matrix and Core Matrix.
		Well, you know, everybody's going to say, hey, grab that one from the movie.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, when the Matrix movie came out, I had been discussing my research for a very long time prior to the Matrix movie, and I did call the Core Matrix The Matrix.
		When the movie came out, which is science fiction, I really was getting a little concerned that people were thinking that my research was the movie explanation for the Matrix.
		So I renamed it the Core Matrix.
		And to help people along, on my website, you will find an article that I wrote about time shifts in Quest magazine.
		It predates the Matrix movie.
		So, and anyone who knows anything about how hardcover magazines are published, you know that this was started three months even before that date, and that this is a research project, so it was even well before that.
		And so I have a number of articles that just help people out who seem to think that somehow I came on board the Matrix train after this movie.
		It's not true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Whitley, so these things are real.
		I mean, they really happen.
		I'm not sure what else you can add, except all of this really does occur, and it occurs to perhaps even billions of people.
		And I think that a lot of times people simply, well, as an example, when you're driving and suddenly you're there, you have a startled moment, or even a moment of being scared.
		But after that, you kind of mentally manage to, one way or the other, rationalize and dismiss the experience unless it's all back, as in doing a show right now.
		You sort of dismiss it because life goes on, folks.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I think that the boundary between the classical and quantum worlds is actually fuzzier than we would like to believe.
		And there are, like I referred to earlier, there are experiments that are bringing the mass limit so far up, so to speak, up higher and higher all the time, step by step.
		And I think ultimately we're going to find out that we, that the so-called classical world where everything works in a mechanical way and one follows two and all time is linear, is in our minds.
		That the real world is what we're seeing.
		When we glimpse things like time shifts, all that's happening is for a second, we're seeing reality, not what we choose to filter out.
		Because if we didn't filter that out, our minds would be perceiving everything so chaotically we would be helpless.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure this is in any way related, but I'm going to give it a shot.
		My daughter, Asia, like all children, you know, she's two and a half now, and I guess like all children, she's got an incredibly active imagination.
		I mean, for her, these things she does are real when she dips her spoon into an imaginary cup and then takes a sip or a bite of whatever was in the imaginary cup or even something more complex and complicated.
		It's absolutely real to her when she sits in a chair and looks down and says, she'll say, we call her apes.
		Apes in a boat.
		You know, apes is in a boat.
		And she's looking down and she says she can see water and she can see fish.
		Or even a little more startling, and this is still going on now, everybody, she'll be in the bedroom and she'll look at the ceiling and she will say, hi.
		And it's done repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly, like there's somebody on that ceiling.
		Now, either that's a child's imagination or when children are very small and about her age, they see things that they have not yet been taught not to see.
		I'm not sure what's real.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		If you ask Schroeder's cat, he'd probably say it's both.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would like to be able to explain some of the actual hard evidence that I have for time shifts because it did take a leap from the anecdotal research that I was doing to the hard evidence, which brought me to some very astonishing Eureka moments.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		That's why I'm so confident.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, all right.
		Well, that's fair enough, and I want you to do that.
		Evidence is important.
		Whitley, is there anything else that you'd like to add?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, actually, Art, I have an experience that happened in December of 2007, but it's pretty long.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It'll take me a few minutes to get through it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
		Well, this was, once again, you know, I have at this point known Starfire for a couple of years, and I had just published the book 2012, The War for Souls.
		And right after the book was published, it was published in August, in September, David Deutsch, this is a book about parallel universes, 2012.
		And David Deutsch at Oxford published an announcement to the effect that he thought that parallel universes were physically real, which was quite startlingly coincidental because my book was about this poor goofus writer who's writing a novel that turns out to be an actual history in a parallel universe, and they start coming after him to try to change the novel in order to change history in their own world.
		It's interesting.
		But anyway, I went to bed that night in December the 7th of 2007 at about 11.30.
		I woke up and meditated for a while at around 2 o'clock in the morning.
		Then I woke up at 4.53.
		And at this point in my life, I was always, anytime anything unusual happened, I was looking at the clock because of Starfire, annoying her.
		And it was so exactly 4.53.
		I woke up because I felt somebody clutching the two fingers of my right hand, which was, Anne was asleep.
		She sleeps on the other side of the bed.
		So it was, you know, it wakes you right up because there's not supposed to be anyone else in the house.
		And I opened my eyes, looked at the clock, And I could see something outside glowing.
		It was a very stormy night.
		The clouds were just pouring past.
		I could see the single light in the sky.
		And I sat up, and as soon as I moved, the light was gone.
		But I went down again, so I thought, well, maybe I just dreamed it.
		And there it was again.
		So I woke Ann up.
		We didn't, neither one of us could see it, except from just that one position.
		So I was trying to get a camera to take a picture of it and so forth.
		But then I eventually couldn't, it went away and we couldn't see any more of it.
		It had a very strange feeling about it, though, because it really seemed like some kind of a UFO.
		Then I went to bed.
		I went back to sleep.
		Anne went back to sleep.
		Then suddenly I was awake and I was started awake and I went into the, thought that something was wrong.
		I could hear something in the living room and I got up.
		I went into the living room and it was completely different.
		It was another room.
		It had four decorative plants in it.
		It was just not the same room at all.
		And then I proceeded to go through.
		I turned around to go back in the bedroom because it scared the dickens out of me, frankly.
		And I've had experiences of extraordinary movements into different dimensions or whatever.
		And I'm always afraid I'll never get back.
		And indeed, there was a wall where the hallway had been a few seconds before.
		And what then proceeded to happen was I went through five different lives that were all unfolding at the same time.
		In another one, I was in my old family home in San Antonio, and it was very run down.
		I was married to Anne, and we were very poor.
		In another one, she had died of the stroke she had in 2004, and I was walking alone along a beachfront with my grandson.
		In a third, we were asleep in another apartment, and in this world, I was still lying in bed, and the fingers that had grasped my hand were still tucking around.
		It was just the most bizarre period of a few minutes that you could possibly imagine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was absolutely, you know, I think all of this puts you into the category of some of you like Starfire who has these experiences more frequently than the rest of us, but the rest of us have them as well.
		Enough truth in that that I think a lot of the audience is resonating with what they're hearing.
		But I've never had anything quite as extensive as you have.
		Listen, I want to thank you for coming on tonight, and we'll sort of take it from there.
		But I understand completely what you're saying.
		Whitley, old buddy, we'll do a whole show together pretty soon.
		How about that?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Thanks a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		Take care and good night, Whitley.
		And Starfire Tour will be back following the break.
		There is something to all of this, folks.
		This is just not fantasy unveiled.
		These are experiences that, well, I want to say they're real.
		They certainly feel real.
		I'm Art Bell.
		I bet all the creatures of the night.
		A good day, a good evening, a good morning, whatever.
		We are creatures of the night.
		My guess is Starfire tour, Whitley added quite a bit.
		And we're going to turn to Starfire in a moment for the evidence, real evidence of all this that you talk about.
		I have no idea what all of this really is about.
		It may be as Starfire suggests.
		But hearing the actual evidence of this is worth staying up late if that's the situation you're in.
		So leave the radio right where it is, and we'll be right back.
		All right, Starfire.
		Welcome back.
		It's evidence time.
		So you went farther than I think most all of us have gone with this, and you tried to document and prove that these occurrences were real, not just a simple quick aberration of the mind of some sort or another.
		So what can you tell me about evidence?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Here it comes.
		First of all, I just want to state that no scientist is worth anything if they try to gather the evidence to fit their own theory.
		That's not good science.
		And I do perform good science.
		I simply followed the clues.
		I followed the research.
		I did not expect what the outcome would come.
		And as a matter of fact, when I did discover about the core matrix and time shifts, I actually went into a depression because this was not at all what I thought the world was.
		Okay?
		Now, back on June 29, 2001, and this is just one example of a lot of physical documentation that I have.
		I'm just focusing on one particular time.
		On June the 29, 2001, I was running an investigation in an area in Southern California that I had noticed buildings changing, time shifting around.
		And so I took some people with me on this particular day to do a research.
		And we did notice a time shift occurring.
		Things were changing.
		I called someone that I work with now and then, the stage performance magician, Brandon Scott.
		I utilize Brandon in my reality shift manifestation experiments because he is an expert in not only hand magic and prestigitation, but if someone is trying to make it look like they can make something appear, but they're really doing some form of stage magic, he can spot it right away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, he's an expert in deception.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		He's an expert in deception.
		I'm also an expert in deception, but his type of expertise is the type of person I bring Into research situations.
		So I called Brandon after this time shift had happened.
		He brought his video cam and he began to videotape whatever I was pointing out for him to do.
		One of the things that he videotaped was an establishing shot, which I wanted.
		And for those of you in the entertainment industry, an establishing shot is just a pan of the larger area where you are focused on a smaller area so that you know where you are.
unidentified		Okay?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		So he took an establishing shot of what was a very, very, very large parking lot in a suburban market zone.
		There were some large restaurants, buildings, and so that's all that was meant to be was an establishing shot.
		And like so many great things in science that have been discovered from sheer dumb luck, that's what happened to me here.
		I was looking over the tapes and I saw the establishing shot and I put it up on the shelf.
		A few months later, in early November of 2001, a friend and I, someone who had been with me on that June 29th day, I brought them back to that location to see whether or not anything else had changed.
		And in this one moment, in a 45-minute time period, a huge building appeared in that parking lot that had not been there 45 minutes before.
		It was a circuit city building the size of a warehouse.
		It was huge.
		Now, the thing about this particular time shift event happening was that all along, I was publishing my reports on my interdimension list, and some of them would go onto my publicly available website.
		So as we're going along, there is a genesis to what I'm about to tell you.
		So here in early November 2001, this huge Circuit City building appears, and I go in there, and I do what I usually do.
		I have a way that I interview people who suddenly appear in a timeline who I know really shouldn't be there.
		So I interview the managers, and I interview the workers there.
		I never tip them off or front load them that I'm going, hey, where did you come from?
		You weren't here 45 minutes ago.
		No, no, no.
		I go in and I say, oh, this is great.
		How long has the building been here?
		How long have you been working here?
		And I have them sign affidavits.
		Okay?
		And then I take a lot of photographs and a lot of video of the Circus City building from a lot of different angles.
		Now, here's where the dumb luck comes in.
		If you didn't think that dumb luck was involved in all the rest of that, I go back to look at the footage from 629 to see whether or not we had captured anything in that establishing shot where the Circuit City building should not have been.
		And sure enough, I have a video that Brandon Scott took from 629, 2001 panning of that exact area.
		You can see all of the buildings where the Circuit City should have been, but where the Circuit City was now, there was nothing.
		It's just a parking lot.
		No circuit city, not there at all.
		Yet I have affidavits, affidavits and documents from the actual company saying that that circuit city had been built there, had been placed there, had been opened up there a year before.
		I had affidavits from the workers there and the management that they had been there a year before.
		This is a documented example of two different versions of the same timeline.
		And I had the documented evidence proof positive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where was this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what city was this?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		This is in Southern California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Southern California.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of circuit cities disappeared in recent years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they went under.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what you're saying is you had an establishing account, June 29, 2001, of this parking lot.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		A huge parking lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And you're saying that the space that the Circuit City occupied today wasn't there then.
		Wasn't there then?
		It was only a parking lot.
		In other words, the Circuit City did not suddenly appear where other businesses had been.
		It appeared in the parking lot.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		There were large other buildings on the fringe rimming this parking lot.
		There were restaurants and there was a tire store.
		And the Circuit City did not take over any of those buildings.
		The Circuit City building came into manifestation within this 45-minute time that we went to lunch.
		It just appeared in a place where there was no building before.
		And I have the videotape.
		It's not even a still shot.
		It's a videotape of this.
		And because it's an establishing shot, Brandon, I asked Brandon to pan, and he panned.
		So you can see the other buildings, the restaurant, the tire store, the parking lot, and where the Circuit City building later appeared a few months later.
		There's just no building there.
		There's just a parking lot and some trees, and that's about it.
		That's evidence.
		And I have to say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's evidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you posted all this on your website?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		No, I have not.
		I've shared it with academia, you know.
		But I have not yet decided on the vehicle that I want to release this.
		I intend to release this.
		I want to share this.
		The reason I talk to the public is I do want to turn on the light switch in their brain.
		I just don't want to be one of those people who just has an opinion.
		You know, I've done some interesting research, and here's my opinion.
		No, my opinions are based on hard evidence.
		So that when I do come across anecdotal information, I have created a scientific criteria to investigate the anomaly or the experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, what you've told me is absolutely incredible.
		I mean, fine.
		It does sound like hard evidence.
		Now, how many people have you shared this with and what have they said when you've presented them with the evidence?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		I've shared it with about 50 or 60 people.
		Obviously, the people who were there at that time, because I got there, I had them write their own reports from their own point of view.
		I've showed it to certain people that I work with, some scientists.
		You know, I have researched that particular land.
		I want to know what's underneath it, what's above it.
		So I talk to geologists.
		There's an earthquake fault that is very near there.
		I check those things out when it comes.
		There's what I believe is a vortex there.
		This is an area where time goes wonky quite a bit.
		So I do deal with quite a number of people, and I really didn't want to present this hard evidence without having the right platform and without having enough data to go with it that I was really going to make a positive contribution to the understanding of the nature of our world.
		And now I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said you presented this to some academics.
		Academics are interesting people.
		They look at facts.
		So when they look at the establishing shot from June 29, 2001, and then the November stuff, and all the affidavits you've, you know, that is proof.
		And so how do they react to that?
		How do they do they write it off?
		Do they say, I have no idea?
		Or what do they say?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, most of the academics that I have worked with, I actually also bring to the site.
		It's one thing to, you know, look at cameras.
		And I also have the film documented as being authentic, not messed around with.
		No photoshopping, no digital this or that.
		That's really important.
		You have to start from the ground up when you're going to build a case like this.
		So whenever possible, I do bring my experts to the location so that they can see the angles of the shots.
		The people that I work with know me well enough that I am only looking for their science information.
		I'm looking for the most intelligent people to deal with.
		I want to know their opinion.
		And if they have an opinion that is a different one than mine, I want to hear that.
		I want everything on the table.
		And if I've made a mistake anywhere down the line, I want to know now because I cannot afford to have any information in a research project that is not proven to be supportive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's absolutely right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But so that's why I'm asking, what sort of reaction did you get to this kind of hard evidence?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Amazed, amazed, of course, upset.
		They're amazed, upset.
		They all realize that I've turned science on its ear.
		And I explain I really haven't.
		It's just the next step in science and that quantum physicists, as they all know, are heading in this direction.
		And I'm hoping to meet them somewhere in the middle.
		That's about it.
		They recognize what I do is real because I brought too much information to them for them to disrespect who I am and what I do.
		And because I don't want them to support me blindly.
		I won't even work with somebody like that.
		I'm not interested.
		But I'm also not interested in somebody whose ego is so invested in only what they put out into the world, even if it turns out to be now proven to be not quite right.
		I'm not interested in those people either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're talking about a majority of scientists.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		That's okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Egos are pretty invested in that.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		That's okay.
		Different scientists, some of them, they go and they get grants, and so they can't even say they know me.
		You know, publicly, they can't even say they know me because they are going to grant money.
		And I understand this.
		You know, I'm independent.
		You know, I don't depend on politics.
		So I can sit here and talk with you and tell you I'm going to present all of these things to the public in the right format with the right support system because I want you to have it.
		And remember, this is only just one of my pieces of hard evidence.
		And anybody would take a look at this hard documentation and say, what has happened?
		What is going on here?
		And so I want them to tear it to shreds.
		I want them to take a look, like I said at the very beginning, is there manipulation of the video?
		Is there somehow the video is taken from a strange angle that makes it look like the building's not there when it was there all the time?
		All of that has been gone through because that's how I think.
		When I work with other experts in a variety of fields, I look at their work and I'm critiquing it myself going, is this somebody who can really meet me and bring to the table everything they know?
		And if they discover something that I have that they realize alters their data, are they willing to advance their data?
		Those are the type of people that I'm doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of scientists, of course, are not willing to do that at all.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		But many are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One very good piece of evidence, I will admit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got time, so if you have other evidence, other things that you've documented, I'd love to hear about them.
unidentified		Great.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		I'll share them with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fire away.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		One of the things I know that Whitley Striber is very aware of, and so is a lot of the world, Is something that I do called reality shift manifestation.
		A reality shift is not something that I discovered.
		I discovered time shifts and the core matrix and all that, but reality shift is associated with the fabric of the way that our timeline is created.
		What I did was I discovered what a reality shift actually is and how it functions.
		In brief, it is a localized phenomenon where something in somebody's local world alters.
		The entire timeline does not change.
		It's just something about them changes.
		I have been running experiments for years and years and years to have items actually materialize.
		Yes, I have this on video and I have these on photographs.
		I was running experiments with my interdimension research list, which by the way, if the public would like to join, if they're interested, they can ask, go there and ask.
		And I created, as I studied, how the core matrix worked, which also leads to the discovery, I discovered why the brain dreams.
		Our interface with the core matrix, the dreaming brain, is for the most part, you are interfacing with the streaming data of coexisting timelines, which is how Whitley Strieber could see all of these other lifetimes, versions of lifetimes that he was explaining.
		He was actually accessing multiple timelines at the same time.
		People do that all the time.
		I discussed this phenomenon on my interdimension research list.
		So I developed a protocol that I call Reality Shift Manifestation, where I can actually alter part of the fabric of reality.
		And I did that publicly August 31st of this year.
		You may recall that there were some deadly wildfires in California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do indeed.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		And now, privately on my interdimension list, we had been experimenting, seeing if we could do a reality manifestation to bring rain to where there are fires.
		And we had had some success.
		And so for these wildfires, my group and I decided that we would also do it to help out.
		And we do this privately, quietly, not in public.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Starfire, we are at another breakpoint, so hold tight.
		Reality shift manifestation, bringing rain to an area that has wildfires.
		I think we can work in that area a little bit.
		We've done some of that, haven't we?
		From Manila in the Philippines, Southeast Asia, I'm Art Bell.
		We'll be right back.
		Here I am filling in for George a well-deserved night off for George.
		Doing this show every night is quite an incredible feat, and so it's a well-deserved night off.
		All right.
		Starfire mentioned reality shift manifestation.
		And in that context, bringing rain to an area that needed rain when the wildfires were going on.
		That, of course, it forced me to immediately remember and recall the experiments that we did.
		I forget eight or nine experiments.
		And these experiments, I imagine Starfire knows about them, but we produced rain.
		We tried to focus.
		I don't know if a lot of you are new listeners, but years ago we tried to, I got very interested in all of this focusing intention and causing weather changes.
		And we did a whole number of experiments.
		And we did, in fact, produce rain in areas that not only needed it, but had no forecast for rain, areas that had drought and all the rest of it.
		And all of this went on to manifest itself in people suggesting that we turn storms, you know, hurricanes and that sort of thing.
		And then I finally got cold feet.
		And I got cold feet because it worked.
		It absolutely worked.
		And the evidence for that is all over the airwaves in years past.
		You can go back and listen to it if you wish.
		If you don't believe it, we tried to focus millions of minds.
		We did, in fact, do that.
		And we did that, rather, and we did, in fact, accomplish it.
		We produced rain.
		There's no question about it.
		A couple of the experiments involved people's health.
		That also worked.
		You can regard it as anecdotal evidence if you want to.
		But the weather changes that we did were real.
		And all of it is documented and was broadcast on the air.
		So call it reality shift manifestation or call it focusing intention or whatever you want to call it.
		But in years past, we did that.
		We'll talk more about all of that with Starfire Tor in a moment.
unidentified		Right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, Starfire, reality shift manifestation.
		I have the luxury, or I had the luxury at that time, and I guess in a way now as well, of being on the air in front of millions of people.
		So we did these experiments.
		It came out of consciousness experimentation that was going on at various universities.
		At any rate, we did.
		Are you aware of the experiments?
		I would imagine you are.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		I am aware.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are aware?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		I'm aware, not of what you're talking about.
		You're making it rain.
		That I did not know.
		I'm hearing this for the first time, but I am aware of intention experiments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Well, we did this on the air in front of millions of people, and we did it in the middle of the day.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to want to study that, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you should definitely look into that.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		I like it, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As real as a heart attack.
		So you call it one thing, call it focusing intention or mass consciousness or whatever you want to call it.
		Do you see it as different from reality shift manifestations?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		As I said, I did not discover reality shifts.
		They are a natural part of the human ability.
		What I did do was I discovered what it actually is, how it works, the mechanism.
		And because I discovered the mechanism, I've been able to create protocols that if you follow my protocols, you get a reality shift.
		Okay?
		So here's how it works in a nutshell.
		I've already explained that the brain is the interface to the core matrix, and even the dreaming brain accesses the streaming data from coexisting timelines.
		That's mainly what dreams are.
		So what I've taught is that let's say you have these wildfires in California.
		In fact, this is exactly how we did it.
		This is documented.
		Anybody can come onto my lift or they can join my Facebook and they can actually see, they can go back and look at the time stamps and read what I wrote and read the responses, including Whitley Strievers, and you will see that this actually happened.
		Okay?
		And yes, this will be very familiar to you now.
unidentified		All right.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		So the reality shift works this way.
		You have the wildfire and dry.
		No rain is predicted.
		Okay?
		So that anyone in the world can, no matter where they are, can look at the weather reports in that part of Southern California or California in general and see no rain is predicted, not even for the week.
		Done.
		So now, using the interface of the brain, I roll through coexisting timelines looking for one where it is raining, where I want it to rain.
		And once I find that, I make a copy, paste, okay?
		And through our joint efforts with the brain, we copy, paste it, and we do an edit into the dominant timeline.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm a little confused.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You say you go through or you look through other timelines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you do that?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		I teach it.
		I mean, you just can't do it.
		You know, I'm being very quick with my words, but I have...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I want to understand, is this a mental process only?
		You sit down, close your eyes, and go through what you consider to be different timelines and find one where it rained.
		Is that the process?
		Or if not, take the time to explain to me what the process is.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Using your brain and the soul, anything and everything that allows you to, you can call it psychic if you want.
		You can call it the interface connection.
		Some people who I work with need to go find what's called a vortex, someplace where their own energy is amplified.
		Sometimes what are called haunted locations work for that as well.
		But what I teach is for people to use their brains primarily to reach out through the bridgework of the various frequencies of coexisting timelines until they find one where there is rain falling in the area that we need it.
		If we can't find rain, there will be no manifestation of rain.
		So, you know, that's a rule for reality shift manifestation.
		I take people through a variety of exercises that I teach to hone their brains to be able to do this, to take their brains out of the amnesia that they're in.
		In fact, some of the methodology is just to get people to smell new things, go to new places, think about new things, to educate new gray matter, to formulate their brains.
		Even before they go to sleep, I have them think about certain images, certain colors, certain things in their own lives, so that their brain is not trapped in only the assimilation,
		the dumbness, the amnesia that the core matrix wants everyone to think that it's a singular timeline, nothing unusual is going on, go with the program and live your life.
		Pay no attention to the little man behind the curtain, such as in The Wizard of Oz.
		So through, you know, over the years, I've developed ways to help to enhance the brain to be able to detect the difference between just daydreaming and thinking when it's actually glommed onto a coexisting timeline.
		In fact, scientists now have been talking about ways to amplify the brain, even to help prevent Alzheimer's and other loss of brain power simply by introducing new techniques, new games, new things for the brain to do.
		Well, I've been doing that for years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, once one has mentally located a timeline in which there was rain involved with the California wildfires, then how do you impose that timeline on the current timeline and produce the rain?
		It's by focusing intention, yes?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it becomes an act of intention, but the intention has rules because we know that we are copy-pasting from a coexisting timeline.
		And when you copy-paste, just like on your computer, you're not taking it away.
		You're leaving the original and you're making an exact duplicate and bringing that over.
		Okay?
		And anything that you find in any coexisting timeline is some event, scenario, byte, or bit that exists in the core matrix.
		It is not creation.
		It is manipulation of the assets.
		Okay?
		So I want to make that very, very clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that it is very, very clear.
		I see exactly what you're doing.
		But I don't know that it's very, very clear that it is in any way different from somebody or even millions of people.
		And I want to talk to you about the numbers of people involved in doing this and whether it makes a difference or whether one person can actually do it.
		I'm not sure about myself.
		I think that millions of minds focusing attention on something like changing the weather somewhere may be, I say may be, more powerful than a single person doing it.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it's not, and I'm going to give you an example of the fallibility of that.
		And if you'll just remind me in about a minute, I just want to complete this thought so I don't leave you or myself or the listeners sort of up in the air on this.
		I'm concerned about that.
		I just want to say that using the protocol, which we will revisit in more detail, using the protocol of reality shift manifestation, I announced to the world I was going to do this.
		I guess the way that you did what you did, Art.
		And so anybody could see that there was no chance of rain, and I said when the rain was going to fall, and so it did.
		Okay?
		And so it did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have all of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have all of this.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		This is documented.
		Any of your listeners, you don't have to be a scientist.
		Any of your listeners can join my Facebook or my interdimension list, and you can go.
		It's right there.
		It's time stamped.
		It's on my profile page.
		You can see where I post what I'm going to do.
		You can see when I did it.
		You can see the comments during the comment after where people are bringing the evidence forward and they're posting links to pouring rain here and pouring rain there and the moisture going up here.
		It was great.
		And normally I do this sort of work very privately, either I'm doing it myself or with a small group or through my research list.
		The reason why I chose to make this public at that time was I saw this as the perfect conditions to show people that these reality shifts are instantaneous as far as their consciousness is concerned.
		And they can all see that there was no rain forecast before, and now there's rain on time, as I said there would be.
		So now I am demonstrating the accuracy of my understanding of the research that I do and the claims that I'm making that I understand the mechanics of how it works and I've just proven it to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you haven't.
		You've proven to me that what you did worked.
		You haven't proven to me that what you call reality shift manifestation is in any way different than the focusing of intention.
		It may be a different method to the same end.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'll show you the difference.
		In reality shift manifestation, something that I teach and that I show is that you simply can't have everything you want.
		It's not a matter of that.
		You know, there has to be a certain amount of integrity involved and ethics.
		And if what you want, you can't even find somewhere in a coexisting timeline or with the core matrix, then, you know, if you want it, you can't do it through reality shift manifestation.
		It's not going to work.
		So let's say you have somebody who just wants to have all these riches and yachts and all these things, but this is not their program.
		The way that I do my reality shift manifestation, you're not going to get it.
		Now, we've tested that out over the years, and it's turned out to be true.
		That's how I developed this knowledge.
		Now, the very groundwork of creating reality shift manifestation protocols comes from earlier research that I did into the efficacy of prayer.
		And as we all know, that probably globally and historically, intent seems to be wrapped around one's prayer or wishes or desires.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Now, I would say that among all of the prayers done, peace prayers, stopping war, stopping violence, globally and historically, I would say that more people have focused more energy on peace prayers than any other intent ever.
		And yet, what's the result?
		There's not a single example of a peace prayer.
		And they're organized to this day.
		No peace.
		Not a single peace prayer has created peace.
		Now, right there, that's an in-your-face problem.
		You have to deal with that.
		What's going on?
		So in my research, which I was doing prior to any of these other discoveries that I made, I discovered that peace prayers generally just do not work.
		Now, I completely understand that the human brain, the human soul, human energy, powerful.
		One, powerful.
		You put together a million, incredibly powerful.
		That should move mountains, but it doesn't.
		Why?
		See, I ask those questions.
		And here's what I discovered in a nutshell, and part of this is written up on my website to explain the genesis of reality shift manifestation.
		In this world, or coexisting timelines, if you actually make a study of war and peace, you discover that the way that peace comes is through war.
		People wage Wars to bring peace.
		It's true.
		So, what happens then if you have millions of people praying for peace, yet the programming of the planet, being that we are all a warring planet, is that if you want peace, you must go to war first.
		So, it appears that when you have millions of people focusing on the intent of peace, they're actually creating war.
		That's what it appears.
		And if anybody else can bring me any other research that shows me that any, any singular or organized peace prayer has ever brought peace to this planet, please bring it forward.
		But I've done years of research and there is none.
		And I think common sense would show you that it's not there.
		And that's why, Art, I do so concerned about we have all of this human potential, all of this human energy.
		Where is the energy going?
		Energy isn't destroyed.
		It has to be transformed into something.
		So if the intent of the prayer is not manifesting, where is it going?
		Well, it is manifesting.
		It's just manifesting in a way that the timeline is programmed, i.e., war brings peace.
		Oh, we've got to change that.
		That has to be changed.
		That's no good.
		So.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to have to give that some thought.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I absolutely hope you will, and I hope that your listeners will, too.
		It's just one of those sort of wake-up moments for me when I was studying this, going, where is all of this human energy going?
		Intent absolutely works.
		Where is it going?
		Well, it's going to war.
		War that makes peace.
		That's where it's going.
		I mean, where do you think it's going, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		And I told you, I'm going to have to give some thought to this.
		War brings peace.
		Peace brings war.
unidentified		Yeah, it's a big one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it may be a big one.
		I'm not sure.
		I guess there would be lots of examples of one thing apparently bringing another, right?
		I'm not sure that that proves anything.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		We are a planet in constant war, constantly at war, whether it's tribal war, country war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fair.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		War with terrorists.
		It's war.
		It's always war.
		It's conflict.
		And also, it's conflicts at work, conflicts at home, conflicts with family, conflicts in the neighborhood.
		It's everywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it may be that intention or reality shift manifestation, whatever you want to call it, doesn't work on human beings.
		We're at another breakpoint.
		Maybe it works better on complex things like weather systems.
		Who knows?
		But it is an interesting question, and I will give it some thought.
		And I am Art Bell.
		It is.
		Good morning, afternoon, or evening, whatever it may be, wherever you are.
		I am Art Bell, and for George Norrie, who's taking the evening off, my guest is Starfire Tor.
		And I have this weird feeling that what we're discussing with her is sort of a parallel to so many things that we've actually documented on this program.
		Different ideas and methodology for perhaps getting to the same place, but it certainly feels that way.
		Reality shift manifestation, consciousness, focusing of intention.
		I'm not sure that I see the difference.
		On the war and peace thing, I'm going to have to give that some serious thought.
		In a moment, I want to ask her about 2012.
		By the way, we had the opening of the movie 2012, which I saw the other day here at, you know, it released worldwide at the same time.
		So I went to the theater and saw it.
		Great special effects.
		But the question of 2012, the end of the Mayan calendar, I'm sure she has comments.
		We'll find out in a moment.
		All right.
		Once again, Starfire Tour.
		Starfire, let's turn away from War and Peace before my mind explodes.
		And let me ask you about 2012.
		It's timely because the movie is just out.
		Lots of great special effects and sort of a story.
		But it is the end of the Mayan calendar.
		And I wonder how this fits into what you think about time and about reality shift manifestation and all the rest of it.
		Is something really due in our timeline in 2012?
		Or do we shift reality in some way and avoid it?
		What do you know?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do think about that a lot.
		I think something that we all have to realize is that whatever information we got from the Mayan calendar, there was so much that was destroyed that we really don't know the whole picture of what they were thinking.
		As well as, you know, what was the origin of their time calendars?
		And why do we have nothing where the Mayans are explaining why they themselves apparently abandoned their own civilization?
		That seems to be a missing part, too.
		So it seems that whatever this 2012 was to them, they apparently weren't going to be around to experience it.
		So that's a curiosity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But do you think something is due in 2012, or it's just another year?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here's the thing.
		I can just speak personally here.
		I am somebody who does perceive, dream, out-of-body experience, whatever you want to call it, future events.
		Okay?
		I have been, even since I was a little girl, always been dreaming about disasters.
		Not always disasters, but a lot.
		Before 9-11, you can read it on my website.
		On 9-10, I posted this whole thing about that.
		I didn't say the words 9-11, but I do talk about the World Trade Center and the military complex going down and attacks and planes and all sorts of things.
		So take a look.
		With that in mind, yes, I do have a concern about 2012, but I also know that because of time shifts, Because time shifts.
		I think that whatever might be happening in 2012, we've already experienced in multiple timelines already, and that we're sort of dealing with cross-contamination from coexisting timelines.
		I think that that's why we're seeing so many awful things happening on the planet now, all these disasters and these wars and viruses that somehow got loose upon the world.
		I think that we will go past it.
		I don't think it's the end of the world at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		At all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to be pleased to hear that.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		At all.
		But I think we need to do something about it.
		Because you know how you're talking about intent?
		So many people are focused on 2012 being this disaster.
		I'd like to change that.
		I'd like to see that change.
		I mean, from my perspective, if we change the intent to that date is a day of when we all sort of get more enlightened as to what we can do to help ourselves and help each other and be better people and stop all this ridiculous, violent nonsense.
		Now, that's a shift I could get behind.
		And if you're talking about intent, we can do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you believe intent is the driving force, we can do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you believe intent is the driving force, Starfire, then according to you, a reality shift manifestation can be accomplished by, i.e., one person.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		That's a really good question.
		I hope not.
		It's possible, but I think it would be better if the planet sort of participated.
		You know, I just want to comment.
		You were saying, well, maybe reality shift manifestation doesn't work for people.
		It does.
		I've done for years reality shift manifestation, particularly reality shift healing.
		And what I'm putting into my book, I have permission to talk about the various people documented who have been healed because of reality shift manifestations.
		And these are documented cases, one of which was a family.
		The wife was pregnant, and sophisticated tests showed that the child had some very serious medical problems.
		We did reality shift manifestation healing, and almost miraculously, instantaneously, the baby's fine.
		The baby's born.
		It's great.
		People have done my reality shift manifestation healing protocols and they no longer have cancer.
		They no longer have this and that.
		It works when you follow the protocols.
		So it does work for people, Art.
		But it's still a work in progress.
		I don't have all the answers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		None of us do.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		And me, I would never ever claim that I knew all the answers.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		That would be ridiculous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because that's a good way not to be believed the moment you say you've got all the answers.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, every time I find out something new, I think, oh, how stupid could I have been not to have seen that?
		So no, no, no.
		Nobody has all the answers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Time travel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think time travel is possible, is in fact being done?
unidentified		Yes.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that it requires a machine with great amounts of energy or that it's a mental process?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think that the act of time travel is not just a one-stop shop.
		I think there are a number of ways that time travel can be achieved.
		I think that some of the time shifts that we experience may be caused just by the fact that someone or something is causing a time travel incident.
		Time travel alone, you know how I talked about frequencies in the beginning?
		Yes.
		And we talked about coexisting timelines.
		Well, one of the realizations that I came to, and there's always room for growth in these types of realizations, is that when somebody makes an attempt to, say, go forward or backward in time, just the very act of doing so puts them into a coexisting timeline.
		What that means is you really cannot go forward or past in the timeline that you've departed from.
		So that very act of time traveling, whether or not you can utilize your brain to actually cause you to shift from one timeline to another, or you have some sort of a machine or something that is a cross between a machine and biogenetic that can cause you to move about in time, you're not ever in the same timeline.
		I think that there's a great deal of evidence just in something called OOP arts.
		You've probably talked about them on your show.
		These are things that are found by archaeologists, like the Baghdad Battery, that are just, what was that doing in the ground, you know, in a time period where there was this co-activity?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		You know, it just makes no sense.
		It does make sense when you add knowledge about the core matrix and time shifts and time travel moving through coexisting timelines, then you realize that there is a great sharing of data, bits, bytes, copy-pasting, people, ourselves moving around.
		One way that I know that we time travel, now this is just a definition of time travel, is it is possible for some people to just be like walking down a road and suddenly they turn a corner and they find themselves in another time.
		Where are they?
		This has been talked about for years.
		People have been talking about their out-of-time experiences for years.
		Or there's a very interesting case of the man who was flying his plane from, I think, Miami.
		He was in the Bermuda Triangle.
		And he finds himself in some sort of a vortex.
		The clouds closed in around him.
		He was lost on radar.
		And Then he suddenly comes out of this, he calls it electronic fog.
		And he is in a completely other location physically than he ever could have been or should have been flying that particular plane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, all these things are absolutely real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know they're documented, they happen.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		And they're a science.
		There's a science.
		There has to be a science that explains.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I agree that ultimately the science will discover why these things are occurring.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I'm not sure what they've discovered it yet.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		These are forms of time travel.
		This may not be the standard sci-fi or quantum physical theory of time travel where you get into the machine and you want to go forward or backward in time like the movie Back to the Future.
		But at the very basic level, and I'm not saying it's not there, but the very basic level, when you have a dream about a future event, like I do all the time, and I post that and it's very specific, and then that happens like an hour later or a day later or a week later, what am I doing?
		It's a form of time travel.
		It has to be.
		And guess what?
		Millions of people are just like me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe it's time travel and maybe it's precognition.
		I've had a precognitive experience that I can't ever explain, will never be able to explain.
		But that could be precognition and not, I guess it's a time, it's time travel of a sort in that you're seeing something that's going to occur at a future moment.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Let me share with you where my research is at this moment, which is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Far, far away.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I puzzle out, why do I constantly dream or even just pick up what I call side data download?
		I'll be daydreaming.
		I'll be walking around, I'm daydreaming, and I have a vision.
		And wham, shortly thereafter, that thing happened.
		But then I also have another type, what you're calling precog, which is I'll have the same type of thing.
		It's a dream or it's a daydreaming thing.
		And I see this, you know, this whole scene play out.
		And then the next day, I go to the movie and it's not real.
		It's a scene in the movie that I'm looking at.
		What the heck is that about?
		And I find that other people who report to me their precogs, they also, some of them have the same problem.
		How do you know when what you're seeing is an actual event that's going to happen in your dominant timeline or it's just something you're going to experience and when you're seeing it as a precog, you don't know whether it's a real event you're going to see or just you in the future going to the movie seeing a scene.
		So, you know, years and years and years of study and all the work that I do, the theory that I'm floating, okay, still working on, is that let's say you're having a dream, or let's say I see what's going to happen on 9-11 and I have the dream on 9-10, okay?
		I happen to know that a number of people around the world had precogs about 9-11 in different ways, shapes, and forms.
		I collected them.
		Most of them you've never heard of.
		But they did happen and I received them prior to.
		So what is going on there?
		Well, what I'm floating is that because the dreaming brain is interfacing with the core matrix and all these other coexisting timelines, that we are accessing other coexisting timelines.
		We're not going into the future.
		We're not going into the past, but there's something called a time slip that happens with the time shift, and that is that these various frequencies of coexisting timelines aren't actually lined up time-wise.
		It's not 1251 or 8501.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I think I'm clear on what you're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying that we get a glimpse of another timeline that is not in a linear time with us now.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's how time is happening.
		I've got you.
		I've got you.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		So what may seem to be a future event from where we're dreaming from is actually something that's happening at that moment in that coexisting timeline.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
		And then some of us, some of us, I'm one of the uses, are able to tell the difference between just a dream that's just jumbled events going on and something that I'm saying, that's going to happen.
		That's going to happen.
		And I know the difference, so I type it up, I post it on the internet, and I create documentation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I'm interested, and I'm sure many others are as well.
		How do you delineate between something that you've dreamt or whatever?
		How do you know it's something that's really going to happen versus the movie you'll see tomorrow?
		How do you know what kind of stamp you want it to me?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Now, this is personal to me because my interdimension research list, it really delves into this.
		Many people on my list have precogs.
		And every single person has a slightly different way that they can tell the difference.
		But here's how I do it.
		And I think it's pretty general.
		When I have what I know is a precog, that's one of those dreams that's like a lucid dream.
		It's like I am there.
		It is so real, so crisp, and it's not, and it seems to be like in a movie the scenes make sense.
		I also have the ability to have discussions within the dream of what's going on.
		So I'm very cohesive, very aware, very conscious, and sometimes I even know I'm dreaming.
		And there's somebody else there, and I'll be saying, oh, I'm looking at something that's going to happen.
		I better remember this.
		And then sometimes I can even ask questions or I can consciously take a look and see if I can see street signs, you know, so that I can locate where this event.
		Because what I want to try to do is if I'm seeing a disaster, I want to try to prevent it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess that would be a reality shift manifestation preventing it.
		But in the meantime, a great way to get some credibility is to immediately, with the ones you're sure of, post them on the Internet or post them someplace where it can all be documented and everybody can say, oh my God, look, she thought something would happen on 9-11 and it happened.
		And if you do enough of those and you're right enough at the time, you gain credibility.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		All you need to do is to go to my website and you'll see a sampling of them.
		You can come onto my interdimension list where they are archived, a date and time stamped and archived.
		And it's not just myself.
		There are other people as well on my list who have similar capabilities and we do work together trying to figure out how to utilize this gift to help people and help humanity.
		So yes, and I've created a criteria to determine when something actually is a precog and is not a precog.
		For example, if somebody just has a dream about a plane crash and it's very generic, well, you know what?
		Planes crash all the time.
		So eventually a plane's going to crash, unfortunately, and then that person's going to say, I dream that.
		Oh, not so fast.
		If you want to get into where I consider it documented, you have to have something very, very specific about that plane crash.
		Something very, very specific.
		And when you read my documented ones, you'll see what I'm talking about.
		I'm very, very specific about it.
		And then those plane crashes, they have to happen very immediately, you know, not months later, unless it's so specific that months later is acceptable.
		If there's something so different, so detailed, people's names, what they look like, the place where it crashed, those are the things that are useful precods.
		Other than that, please don't call it in my presence a precod because my criteria will not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The ones that I'm interested in would be the ones where, for example, you're scheduled for a flight.
		You have a precognitive dream or whatever that says this plane is going to crash.
		So you cancel your flight and then document the fact that you think this is going to happen and then it happens.
		Well, that's pretty solid stuff.
		Not conclusive, but pretty solid.
		What are the odds?
		We're going to take a break here and then we're going to open the phone lines when we come back.
		I'm Mark Bell for George Norrie from Manila, Philippines.
		Indeed so.
		Here I am from all the way over there.
		My guest is Starfire Tour, and I've been kind of reflecting and listening very carefully to what she's been saying.
		Now, I get, you know, computer messages, fast blasts as I do the program, and a lot of people think that she is crazy as a loon.
		I'm not one of them.
		I really don't.
		I'm not in that camp at all.
		I don't think she's crazy as a loon.
		What I think is that she has discovered a lot of things that we've been talking about for years and has given her own interpretation to them.
		Fair enough, she's been doing this for years.
		Strange that I haven't run into her previously, but she's been doing it for years.
		She's known Whitley, apparently, for years.
		So all of this is new to me.
		The things she's talking about are not new to me, whether it would be time slips, the possibility of parallel universes, reality shift manifestation is what she calls it.
		I call it intention or focusing intention or consciousness experiments.
		But these are all similar things.
		So, you know, crazy, no, absolutely not.
		Discovering, perhaps feeling that she's discovered things that have existed since probably time began, talked about when time began, and given her own interpretation to them.
		That's what I think we're dealing with here.
		At any rate, I'd love to take calls.
		I know that a lot of you have had the experiences that we've been talking about this night, and I'd love to hear about them.
		And for those of you who don't believe any of this, there will be nothing that we can say that will convince you.
		For those who have experienced it, there will be nothing that will change your mind.
		You already know it is so.
		And with that in mind, we'll go to an hour of calls in a moment.
		Well, all right, once again, Starfire Tor, welcome back to the program.
		We're going to go to call Starfire and see what people have to say about all of this.
		As I mentioned, we get a lot of computer messages as we're doing the program, and there are a lot of people who think it sounds all like new age gibberish.
		And it may be in the nature of the presentation, I'm not sure.
		But that's what they think it sounds like, some of them anyway.
		And there are others, myself included, who think that you're totally on to something in all of these different areas, and we're just sort of looking at it in different ways, but it's the same thing indeed.
		So if you're ready, we'll go to calls.
		How about that?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		I'm ready.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Here we go.
		Let's go to, I think Houston, Texas brings us John.
		And John, you're on the air with Starfire.
		Hi.
unidentified		Thank you.
		I've got three incidences.
		One has to do with an after-wedding reception.
		I've never caught a garter because I'm blind, or just nearly so.
		I was nearly blind anyway.
		I imagined how I wanted the garter to bark through the air and glance off the guy's shoulder and into a cup that I was holding halfway.
		And I said, you know, I don't know what to try to make this happen.
		I'll just let it happen.
		But I did this imagination exercise three times, and it came away from the guy's hand, came across his shallow arc, hit the guy's arm, and right over into the cup that I was holding.
		And that's, I haven't ever told the people at the wedding about this, so I don't think they're listening tonight.
		It's way past their bedtime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's a big wow because they'd think you're out of your mind.
unidentified		The other, yeah, that's probably what she'll think, too.
		The other deal was I was listening to records that have thunderstorm background music, and people died.
		A woman came down in a parking garage, and was filled up with water because of the flooding.
		And I had been imagining that it would not bother my father's house nor the area of the town that I was in.
		So I'm wondering, I'm thinking responsibility, where you're given some kind of gift, you're responsible for it.
		And I was wondering what she might think of an instance like I've been talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I'm going to key on the word responsibility.
		Starfire, when we were doing all of these experiments years ago with the weather, it finally got to the point where I got cold feet.
		I actually got scared because I realized that I was, with the aid of millions of people, attempting to manipulate a complex system like the weather that I didn't understand properly in the first place.
		And so I got concerned that, oh, for example, we might try to alter the course of a hurricane that was due to hit the coast, and we might make a horrible mistake.
		For example, we might move the hurricane away from its original area, and what had been a category one now goes back out into the Gulf and finds warm water and grows and becomes a category four or five or something, and then hits.
		In other words, I had such little understanding of the mechanism driving this that I realized we could make a horrible mistake, and I stopped doing it.
		Have you had any concerns like that with what you call reality shift manifestation?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, in fact, I had the exact fear that you had when I first created a change in weather.
		I just wasn't thorough enough, and instead I created a tornado.
		Fortunately, it didn't hit land, but it did disrupt a regatta, I think, in Australia.
		It scared me a lot.
		And I stopped doing that for a while until I did more research, put more into it, put more integrity behind it, and limited what I was doing to a certain type of weather modification.
		Even when I did the wildfires in California, I was so concerned that I might create mud flows.
		You know, that doesn't matter if somebody dies from a fire or a mud flow.
		You know, so yes, fear.
		All right, I'm right with you there.
		So I'm very respectful of it, and I very sparingly do weather modification.
		I do not, and I have not in years touched a hurricane because of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Howard from my home state in Nevada, you're on the air with Starfire.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Oh, is this me, Howard?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know that for sure, but it's like you, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, Howard Beale calling art.
		Super cool.
		One of my goals is accomplished.
		I used to be a dumb wool farm boy in the Pacific Northwest when you were like an independent doing your political stuff, and I would catch you on the skip.
		Anyway, so I get to talk to Art Bell.
		Anyway, to starfire, my question was, if you would try to shift time at this very, very moment, tell me what would you like to do?
		We can do it now.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Actually, human beings, people, even with great intent cannot create time shifts.
		That's not within the program.
		You can create localized reality shifts for yourself, but not time shifts.
		So, can't help you there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, time shifts are something that we don't understand sufficiently yet to control in any way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know of anybody who has ever claimed a time shift.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		They just happen.
		I'm very talented with reality shifts, and even I wouldn't claim a time shift.
		I'm not even sure that we would have the capability.
		I'm not sure that we have what it takes to do that.
		That may be a protection that's built into the program, possibly.
		But I don't know.
		I haven't gotten to that end of the road yet.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know is a good answer.
		David in Victoria, British Columbia.
		How are you doing, David?
unidentified		Oh, I'm doing great.
		Thanks.
		Honor, Art, and Starfire.
		It's a dynamic duo going there.
		I wanted to relate what I thought for years was a precognitive dream.
		I only remembered this a few years ago, but it was like 55, it would have been 45 years ago, I went to 10.
		And I had a really super lucid dream about, I even saw myself walking in the PJs down a path by the house.
		And I was taken to this like, sort of a chrome big giant pill.
		It was like a ship or some sort.
		And I was shown these screens.
		I got a little awareness of a being that was like a cocoon sort of from the movie guy, like glowy guy.
		But this was way before the movie came out.
		Anyway, he showed me these screens where there was these like urban warfare, and it seemed to be like in North America, and tanks rolling through cities, and mummies screaming, clutching their babies, and stuff.
		Just horrible stuff.
		And I thought it was, well, was that precognitive?
		Oh, no, no.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well.
unidentified		I know now.
		I don't really think it was precognitive at all.
		I think I was being sort of gauged or tested of what would my emotional reaction be.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, anytime that I hear somebody say something like that, I have a criteria.
		So the first thing I want to know is, were you watching a movie?
		Were you reading something?
		what were you personally exposed to?
		Could be a dream.
		It could be something stimulated from what you were exposed to.
		Then the other thing I want to ask you is, have you ever had actual precogs where you dream something and then, wham, it happened?
		Because that tells a lot.
		People don't have singular precogs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what he said about being shown screens calls to mind Gordon Michael Scallion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know that name?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gordon Michael had similar experiences.
		He was shown when he had his visions or precognitive experiences.
		He was shown several screens.
		And finally, the experience will reoccur and reoccur.
		Finally, one of the screens, the only way you can describe it is it will be brilliant, it will be in color, and it will be very vivid, while the other screens, two of these experiences, slowly sort of fade to black and white, if you will.
		So the one that becomes vivid is the one that is going to become the reality.
		At least that's the way he explains it.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Well, that sounds great.
		And that would be completely specific to him.
		And it sounds beautiful.
		And I have no problem with it.
		And if David is having something similar to that and he has not been exposed to scallion screens, then that would be very interesting.
		But beyond that, I don't know what to do with the information.
		I'd say write it up and any other things like that you've ever had and see if there's a pattern.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		To Michael in Cleveland, Ohio.
		Good morning, Michael.
unidentified		Good evening, Art and Starfire.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Art, in waiting for a mechanism, describing alternative shifting timelines seems as subjective as me describing a DMT experience.
		So Starfire, my two-part question is, please, can you explain at the level of the Synops gap in the brain how dreaming accesses other shifting reality timelines?
		It would seem that verification that's causal and not descriptive is where any core understanding lies.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		You're kind of mixing up a little the science there.
		You're talking about the dreaming brain.
		You're talking about synapses in the brain, but the dreaming brain does not shift time.
		Okay?
		The dreaming brain is accessing information that is like streaming data, just like you're picking up streaming data off your computer.
		So me saying that, could you please reframe your question based on that?
unidentified		I asked specifically how dreaming accesses other shifting reality timelines at the level of the synops in the brain, the actual mechanism that would allow us to have that experience, which would be a cause and not just the descriptive effects that you have been describing.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Okay.
		You're talking about accessing, I'm just going to call it coexisting timelines or that data.
		The dreaming brain, you know, scientists, even to this day, cannot really tell you the source of the dreaming brain.
		They know what parts of the brain become active.
		They know that the brain is firing off.
		They know the synapses, the neurons, and all that are firing off, but they don't understand why.
		And the most that we get from them is that it's psychological, that it's some retread of either the day that we've had or our brain is putting together scenes that reflect our psychological state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, he's asking how the brain accesses these other timelines.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So the brain itself is a biological machine that has it, that is in itself as a biological entity, is an interface.
		It was created to be an interface and a projector for the core matrix.
		So the brain functions, whatever fires off, fires off.
		The brain itself is the machine.
		It's a biological machine.
		So whatever the internal workings of the brain are firing off, it creates imagery.
		That's not a mystery.
		But where the imagery comes from, that's what's been the mystery.
		So I'm suggesting, because of my research, that this is the brain with the body quieted and not having to deal with the five senses.
		The brain is now freer to pick up this data.
		It's like raw data, raw streaming data.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's all fair enough, but really what you're saying is you don't know how it specifically does that.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it's what any scientist, I mean, I do.
		But I can't, I mean, if I started to speak the language of the science, I think I would make mistakes just off the top of my head, and I don't want to scientifically make a mistake.
		So I'm just referring him to the various sciences that are known now of how the brain functions when the images are in the brain.
		That biology still is true to what I'm saying.
		It's the origin of the images that I'm talking about.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Ed in Allentown, Pennsylvania.
		You're on the air with Starfire High.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Rare pleasure, and really happy to speak to both you and to Starfire.
		I was wondering if, Starfire, if you had ever come across anybody who had lack of oxygen, like a medical condition that caused them to see precognitively and or happen to other universes.
		I had an experience in 2001 in which and and I did have a precognitive morning of 911, right getting ready for work at four o'clock in the morning.
		I was a very busy person.
		And actually, part of my question and comment was about Gordon Michael Scallion, because when I was in the hospital, I was having similar experiences to him.
		And then Art mentioned Gordon Michael.
		The thing was, my oxygen levels had resulted from 20 plus years of chronic sleep apnea untreated.
		And by the time I made it to the hospital, I was like collapsing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, we can make this sort of a double question.
		One regarding, say, oxygen deprivation for a period of time causing you to see something or have a precognitive experience.
		Or we can talk about drugs and ask Starfire if either one of these mind-altering experiences will enhance your ability to have a precognitive experience.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Ed, first of all, I'm sorry about your sleep apnea.
		I hope that you've improved since then.
		I'm just going to say that some lack of oxygen hallucinations, including some near-death experience hallucinations, which are the same, some of them are just images that are in the brain that are rolling around that are being accessed.
		Others are being accessed through the interface.
		I have no way of knowing, no way whatsoever of knowing what you are accessing without really taking down exactly what you perceived and seeing whether it's something that can be tracked down into your waking world or whether it just remained within your brain as an experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We've got a pause here.
		We're at a break point.
		And when we get back, I'm going to ask again about drugs, whether drugs are, in fact, a doorway to experiences that you might not otherwise have.
		Do they open doors or do they slam them shut?
		Here I am.
		And indeed, from Manila, Philippines, the other side of the world, from the great majority of you, it's great to be here and it's great to be alive.
		My guest is Starfire Tor.
		And I've got a number of questions for her.
		One about drugs and then one from Dave in Fort Myris, Florida.
		All of that directly ahead.
		We'll be right back.
		Starfire, the most compelling piece of evidence that you presented tonight, in my opinion, I'm sure many others, was the Circuit City building and the incident that dates back to, what, June 29, 2001, right?
		Correct.
		Dave in Fort Morris, Florida, fastblasts the following.
		Art, it's hard to believe someone when they say they had video proof of an event now for eight years, but they don't want to release it to the public.
		And that's, you know, it's fair comment.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, Dave, I've had very similar evidence that goes back farther than that.
		My interest is the research and to get it right and to not just to go to the public and say, oh, look what I found.
		Oh, look what I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that is what you're doing.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Well, at this moment, at some point in time, but I've been around for a very long time.
		Right.
		And, you know, I'm not selling anything.
		I'm just sharing my research at this time because I just feel the time is right.
		And I will be coming out with this information, but I'm not directing you to a video or a book or anything else.
		It's not there for you to buy.
		I'm sharing this because I think that people have gotten to a point where a good number of people can actually begin to think about what I'm talking about.
		If I can get a dialogue going, if I can get people to think about it, even what I've said about intention, what about peace prayers and war?
		If I can just get people to think about that, think about it, the rest will come.
		Now, you were asking about drugs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Drugs like, for example, DMT and other similar drugs that produce very big mind-altering events.
		Do you think they're keys to these other realities?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
		Personally, I want to say that I personally do not drink alcohol and I do not take mind-altering drugs.
		That's a personal choice.
		I don't want anything to corrupt what I already have going.
		I respect my brain very much.
		Now, I know that drugs, mind-altering drugs, have been around since the ancient times and have been used by natives and drug culture.
		I'm very mixed bag about this because I've seen, like everyone else has, how much damage to the brain that has been done to people who have gone on trips, gone on drug trips.
		So right now, I'm going to say that unless such a drug adventure were done under the strictest of scientific control, where it would be guaranteed that that person's brain was not fried or altered in a negative way, I'd say stay away from it.
		Otherwise, I'm sure you're not going to be able to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure that's good advice.
		That's standard advice.
		But again, the question was, do you think that drugs, mind-altering drugs, could be an open door to these kinds of experiences?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Good.
		All right.
		All right.
		Let's go to Columbus, Ohio, where we find Chris.
		Good morning, Chris.
		How are you?
unidentified		Oh, yes.
		I've listened to you for many years.
		All right.
		One of the things I want to mention about the electromagnetic field is we've got to go back to the Philadelphia experiment, Alex Beale, how they created that.
		Has she considered the timeline was broken at that time, which may have brought the circuit city building up and back, and that might be something to do with the timeline shift.
		This is a person, Alex Beale, with the Philadelphia experiment that did claim that he created a time bubble, which might be affecting what she has experienced.
		Has she ever looked in that research or gone that way or even looked at the electron?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess actually the question is: do you think that something like, well, the Philadelphia experiment was an interesting story, albeit told it, there are others who have told it.
		It was an electromagnetic experiment to make a ship disappear.
		I'm sure you know all about it.
		So could some of these things that you have described, these reality shift manifestations perhaps, be produced by some sort of machine, an electromagnetic field?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sorry to disappoint Chris, but it is my opinion that the Philadelphia experiment never happened.
		That was a hoax.
		I'm not saying that electromagnetic testings of something else weren't done, but the Philadelphia experience, no.
		And it should not be used to explore time travel.
		Anyone who has latched into the Philadelphia experiment would simply, in my opinion, be a caution.
		So I'm sorry, but I can't discuss the Philadelphia experiment as if it's something that was real and I don't believe it was.
		And by the way, the ship, the Eldridge, research indicates that it was sold to, I think, Greece.
		I followed all the numbers, as have a few other researchers like myself.
		And let me tell you something, reality here.
		The government would not have let go of anything like a ship or even pieces of the ship to a foreign country if it were involved in such an outstanding cutting-edge research like that.
unidentified		You know, that's part of the way that I – And I think Anthony in Arizona does too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard him saying, oh, yeah, in the background.
		He's with us now.
		Anthony, hello.
unidentified		Yes, how are you doing, Mr. Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing okay.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Starfari.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, hi.
unidentified		I love your show, Mr. Bell.
		I've been a listener over 12 years.
		You're a definite impact in my life, and I hope nobody goes anywhere.
		In fact, the show's replaced in place of my TV, so I don't even watch TV anymore.
		But I have a couple of things I just want to bring up.
		Again, with the Circus City situation and other examples as such, I was just wondering, how would you pinpoint or get an idea of the locations these things may occur?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a very good question.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, years and years and years of research, and I noticed that a lot of the time anomalies that I was finding were where earthquakes were, earthquake fault lines.
		And so basically, I just got a map, and I started to follow earthquake fault lines.
		And so I do a lot of my research around or on earthquake faults.
		And the Circuit City building is right by an earthquake fault.
		So that's how you're doing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's very intriguing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know that there are electromagnetic anomalies associated with tectonic movement?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Oh, definitely.
		Yeah.
		Earthquake.
		Energy, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We're so short on time.
		Tracy in South Carolina.
		Hi, you're on with Starfire and Art Bell.
unidentified		All right.
		I just want to say that I've been a long time listener.
		It's the first time I've ever managed to get through, though.
		I have a comment and a question.
		The comment concerns what I think might be an example of what Starfire is referring to as a temporal anomaly that happens locally in my town.
		I drive a taxi at night, so I listen to you all the time.
		We were really slow when we were listening to the scanner.
		And there was a shooting that occurred at a local Waffle House.
		There are multiple witnesses, people inside the restaurant.
		It happened in the parking lot.
		The ladies that worked there, all the cab drivers here, heard it over the scanner.
		And we drove by and saw the police and the whole thing.
		Well, it never made the news.
		It never made the TV.
		It never made the papers.
		So I got to asking about it, and all the people who were witnesses to it remembered it.
		But apparently it never happened now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's exactly what we're talking about.
unidentified		Right.
		The guy who was shot and killed, he's alive now.
		And the guy who shot him and killed him is not walking around a tree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if that isn't right down the alley of what you've been saying.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		That's a time-shift living-dead event, and that's a dual timeline-memory conflict.
		Perfect.
		That happens to people everywhere, all the time.
		Thank you for sharing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, thank you indeed.
		All right, to the District of Columbia and Matt.
		Good morning, Matt.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		Art Bell, and ma'am, great hearing you tonight.
		Art, I discovered you in 96 driving cross-country at night through the desert, and it was amazing back then and still today.
		I definitely want to support your 9-11 precognition situation.
		I was living, sleeping, dreaming, working in a building just north of Building 7 back then, and also living on Lowell East Side of New York.
		And in July, walking down the street, I looked up and would swear I saw both towers on fire.
		I ran screaming down the street, ran, grabbed my roommates, pulled them upstairs to the roof, screaming how the World Trade Center was on fire.
		And they would eventually call me down to say, no, no, it's clouds.
		And then over the next two months, I had a series of all kinds of signs from having lunch there on the plaza of the World Trade Center the day before.
		I made the comment that it looked like a cemetery in Israel with the stone, two stones and one on top.
		And eventually that morning on 9-11, I flew cross-country out of Newark airport on a wide-body jet, in my case, to San Diego.
		So I sort of was pulled closer and closer until finally when it actually happened.
		Well, that's a long story, but make a long story short, definitely support you there.
		But I want to challenge you on the concept of peace prayers and mantras.
		I think it was in 1986 when the harmonic convergence, the sort of first concept of world peace prayer, had gone on.
		Am I correct?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember the exact date.
unidentified		Well, I believe it was 86.
		And 89 is when, you know, frankly, the Soviet Union, the Iron Curtain came down.
		And having studied that in college, if anything, the thousands of nuclear, you know, at the moment's notice hair trigger nukes that I'm not saying we're in a safer time with the loose nukes, but we're certainly back down away from that.
		And so I think there's possible linkage there.
		And in terms of focus intention, I've definitely had personal success with creative visualization, super high-end, you know, exact matching numbers, dollar amounts, things wished for, and so on.
		And the only explanation of all the psychic phenomena I've experienced lifetime, all sorts of different things, is that quantum level that I don't think I've heard you guys talk about tonight, where, you know, the holographic universe concept where every electron is ultimately entangled at a subatomic level, thus allowing for everything from precognitive through all the other sorts of phenomena that actually are we open to show with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we did talk about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whitley made any number of comments about that, and I think it all is entangled.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		It's all entangled.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		All entangled.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		He made a good point, though, didn't he?
		About you remember that?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he talked about the harmonic convergence and the wall coming down and that as a peace prayer.
		If you could prove that there was a direct relation between a peace prayer for intent to actually bring down that wall, then you have something there.
		But otherwise, we're still left with the larger picture of millions and millions of people over time doing peace prayers, and we're still a planet at war.
		Very violent, more violent than ever before.
		So that's what I'm saying.
		The energy has to go somewhere.
		Where is it going?
		That's all I want people to think about.
		It's an amazing thing once you're back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure, Starfire, that it's legit to say more violent than ever before.
		It's not more violent than the First World War, the Second World War, the Korean War, Vietnam for that matter.
		We have terrorism, but if you're looking at scales and numbers, indeed the world is a more peaceful place than it was for our fathers.
		Give it some thought.
		Oh, absolutely.
		I mean, just sheer numbers alone, the number of people killed in the Great World Wars and even the somewhat lesser but still violent wars that occurred in our lifetimes.
		I think that's a fair comment.
		Let's move on, though.
		We're so short on time.
		Too bad.
		Montreal, Canada, brings Sophie.
		Sophie, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hi, Starfire.
		It's an honor to speak to the two of you.
		I just finished reading Robert A. Damon Rowe.
		And it was a real...
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you on a cell phone or something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're cutting out.
unidentified		No, unfortunately, I'm on Skype.
unidentified		I just want some tips and tricks on having out-of-body body when I'm having an out-of-body experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how into out-of-body experiences you are, Starfire.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		I actually teach it.
		So if you just go to my interdimension list and join, I'll give you everything.
		It's totally free.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		While we're on the subject, what is your where do you recommend people go?
		You mentioned your Facebook page.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		If they go to my www.starfiretour.com, you'll see the links to my interdimension list, my profile on Facebook, and MySpace and Twitter.
		Have fun.
		And if you want to get into learning and sharing your experiences, join my interdimension list.
		If you want to just experience what's going on at just a more public level, join my Facebook.
		And you can check out everything I'm talking about, all the documented stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Re in Salt Lake City.
		You're on the air with Art Bell and Starfire.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		I really, really miss you.
		There's no one like you, but I'm glad they're happy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		To Starfire, I'm afraid I'm going to have to challenge you a little.
		Sure.
		I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but I think you're a little condescending and a little full of yourself.
		But one thing that was brought up in the beginning was that you were going to prove how the timeline shifts explain the paranormal and other anomalies.
		And I didn't even hear that all night.
		But I was wondering if you could touch on that in the three minutes that are left.
		Okay.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, you know, if I'm tall of myself, well, shame on me.
		I thought that I had touched on certain examples of time shifts.
		One of them is the time shift living dead.
		Were you listening during the show when I was discussing that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hopefully she was.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Good, because that is one of the examples that people can realize all on their own that a time shift has happened.
		Another thing are synchronicities and coincidences and time prompts that people experience all the time.
		My research is indicating that these items are also the brain being very aware of changes in the timeline, and these prompts and coincidences are what's left over to try to ping the brain and get the brain to try to recognize that something in their reality has changed.
		So those are ways that people themselves can get into a dialogue about it.
		Synchronicities, coincidences, and time prompts.
		And in fact, the 11-11 time prompt is one of them.
		I want to point out to people that computers have a language.
		That language is ones and zeros.
		It's very possible that the very famous 11-11 time prompt is simply saying the core matrix exists.
		Pay attention.
		Just one level, just a suggestion to think about.
		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, that is worth a little bit of thought.
		Yes.
		Where do you go from here, Starfire?
		Are you going to write a book?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		I am.
		I am writing a book on reality shift manifestation, which will explain, of course, about the core matrix and coexisting timelines and time shifts.
		And I want to try to give people the methodology of reality shift manifestation, actual documented examples.
		I'm getting permissions from the people over the years that I've worked with, just to try to give some hope.
		And I think they'll find that it fits in very nicely with the other intentions that they've been working on.
		And like I said, to get a dialogue going.
		That's one of the things I'm doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How does Starfire earn a living?
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		I have I'm in the entertainment industry.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		I have a production company.
unidentified		Okay.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		And I also am a consultant with a lot of other companies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Marketing.
		I understand.
		Very, very interesting.
		And I don't know how you've been going all these years, and we've not previously connected.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		By Gard, it must be a time shift.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it is a good example of a time shift.
		I'm not sure.
		Anyway, listen, it has been an absolute pleasure having you on the program.
		Not everybody understands your presentation or method of presentation, but I certainly understand the things that you've been working on, and they're very much like an awful lot of things we've worked on on this program.
		So it's a good fit.
		Starfire, thank you very, very much.
starfire tor ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And have a very good night.
		I'm sure we'll do this again one day.
		And again, yes, very, very interesting.
		You know, people react in interesting ways to somebody's presentation.
		They like, they don't like, but the actual substance, the material that she's talking about, resonates with so much of what we've been doing over the years.
		And I guess that's it for this night.
		We're out of time.
		So given another opportunity, one of these days, you'll hear me back here again.
		From Manila, Philippines, I'm Mark Bell.

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