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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Avian Flu Pandemic - Dr. Gary Ridenour

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the cosmos and all the time zones around the world, each and every one, covered by this program, Coast to Coast AM.
		I'm Art Bell, filling in for George Norrie, who will be back next week to once again grace the airwaves.
		Boy, we've got a lot of news for you tonight and next hour, and I want to warn you right now, and this is a warning, we've got a well-respected doctor, Dr. Gary C. Riddenauer, M.D., who has studied the bird flu, and he's going to scare the hell out of you.
		He certainly scared the hell out of me.
		He sent me a copy of his book, and I read it, and I called him right away, and that's how he's on tonight.
		So that'll be in the next hour.
		I have been waiting years to say this to you, and what an honor it is to be able to bring you the news tonight.
		Solar, attention to ham operators, solar physicists have been waiting for the appearance of a reversed polarity sunspot to signal the beginning of the next solar cycle.
		What I'm reading is from Space News, the wait's over.
		A magnetically reversed high-latitude sunspot emerged today, marking the beginning of solar cycle 24, and the first step toward a new solar maximum.
		Intense solar activity is not going to begin right now.
		Solar cycles usually take a few years to build from solar minimum, but it is pretty quick.
		That is to say, where we are now, to solar max expected in 2011 or 2012, albeit a slow journey, but we're on our way.
		So once again, solar cycle 24 officially beginning today, January 4th.
		Now, Fox News sucks.
		That's what I think.
		You know, this is just ridiculous.
		Ron Paul, a man I've interviewed many times, got more of a percentage by a lot than Rudy Giuliani.
		But Fox News won't let him in the debate.
		What the hell are they afraid of?
		Or what are, I mean, I hope if they've got sponsors, I hope they drop.
		It's just not right.
		What are they afraid of?
		Ron Paul is a fascinating man with fascinating ideas.
		He's got every right to be heard.
		He's earned the right to be heard.
		He's made more money than a lot of them.
		And he's got more percentage of interest from voters than a lot of them.
		So what can possibly be the reason to keep Ron Paul out?
		Come on, Fox.
		Fair and balanced, though?
		Isn't that what you say?
		Fair and balanced?
		Is that really what you want people to think that you're fair and balanced?
		Nothing fair, nothing balanced about keeping Ron Paul out.
		So, you know, what I would say to all of you, whether you're a Ron Paul supporter or not, send them an email.
		Tell them what you think.
		Are they afraid that new ideas might be heard?
		Are they afraid the American people might wake up?
		Are they afraid that some of the other Republican candidates might suffer a deficit because Ron Paul says something the American people want to hear?
		Come on, fox.
		Anyway, in other political news, Senators Hillary Radham Clinton and Barack Obama drew two distinct paths to the White House for raucous New Hampshire Democrat Party activist Friday night.
		She's tested, she says, and ready to stand a ground against Republicans.
		While he's prepared to build a new majority that'll put Democrats into power.
		The two messages delivered just a day after the Iowa caucuses that gave Obama a victory and Clinton a stunning third place finish received boisterous receptions at the state party's annual fundraising dinner.
		They also featured the contrasting visions that candidates have, not only for political success, but for governing as well.
		Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich filed a complaint with the FCC on Friday after ABC News excluded him, fellow Democrat Mike Lavelle and Republican Duncan Hunter from its prime time debates on Saturday.
		Kucinich argues ABC is violating equal time provisions by keeping him out of the debate, noted that ABC's parent, Walt Disney Company, had contributed campaigns involving the four Democrats who were invited.
		Big trouble in California.
		In fact, I had him call my guest to be sure he had power.
		About a million don't.
		Howling winds, pelting rain, heavy snow pummeled California on Friday, brought down trees, flipped big rigs, cut power to more than a million people, brought down a lot of ham antennas, I'm sure, forcing evacuations in mudslide-prone areas.
		Flights were grounded, highways closed in Northern California, gust got up to 80 miles an hour during the second wave of an Arctic storm that sent trees crashing into houses, cars and roads, forecasts expect the storm to dump as much as 10 feet of snow in the Sierra Nevada by Sunday.
		It's all coming this way right now.
		Well, al-Qaeda is now beginning to use women as suicide bombers.
		Maybe they're running out of men.
		Certainly, they're increasingly desperate.
		So, while Muslims generally have women in a second-class sort of place, they're right out there out front with the bombs.
		White House Bush administration considering some sort of economic stimulus package in face of rising unemployment, deterioration in the economy, and all the rest of it, that means tax cuts.
		Haven't decided yet for sure, but if he's going to do it, State of the Union address coming up January 28th would be the time to announce it.
		Brittany Spears, if anybody cares, has lost custody of her children.
		Even visitation now.
		I don't know.
		I'm sick of that story.
	Anyway, listen, we're going to go to unscreened open line calls here in a moment.
	I want to get out my email address.
	If you'd like to email me for whatever reason, I'm Art Bell at AOL.com or better yet, Art Bell, A-R-T-B-E-D-L, at MindSpring, M-I-N-D, S-P-R-I-N-G, mindspring.com.
	That's A-R-T-B-E-L-L, all lowercase at mindspring.com.
	If you are west of the Rockies and would like a moment on the air, you can call 1-800-618-8255.
	East of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033.
	First time callers, area code 818-501-4721.
	Wildcard lines, we've got a bunch of those.
	Area code 818-501-4109-4109.
	International line, 800-893-0903 from anywhere else in the world.
	Remember, when you get a ring, just let it ring because no screener is going to pick up.
	I'll pick up.
	And when I do, you've got to turn your radio off immediately.
	All that in mind, we'll be back in a moment with some more news.
	With respect to what I said about Ron Paul, it's only fair to note I am a registered libertarian, have been for a long time.
	But that doesn't change anything.
	I've said that no matter what.
	Maybe I said it with a little more enthusiasm, but it's wrong to keep them out.
	Astronomers are puzzling hard over a powerful cosmic explosion that appears to have detonated in a region of empty space, very far away from any nearby galaxy.
	Well, it might have been the death cry of a star that was born from debris strewn out of a past galastic dust up.
	Six spacecraft around Earth and Mars detected a powerful volley of gamma rays lasted about a minute on 25 January 2007.
	Such explosions called long gamma ray bursts are thought to be caused by massive stars exploding and their cores collapsing into black holes.
	But this one came from an area where there was virtually nothing.
unidentified		How can that be?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As carbon dioxide levels rise on Earth, oxygen levels fall, since we all breathe oxygen.
		How will this affect us?
		Will the Earth end up as a lush jungle of CO2 breathing plants, no humans or animal life around at all?
		On the SciTech website, Mike Johnston reports that a 20-year study by the Scripps Institute is showing that carbon dioxide produced primarily by burning fossil fuels accumulates in the atmosphere.
		Available oxygen is decreasing.
		We're losing three oxygen molecules in our atmosphere for each carbon dioxide molecule produced.
		Three for one.
		You might want to think about that.
		Toshiba.
		Toshiba has developed a new class of micro-sized nuclear reactors that are designed to power individual apartment buildings or city blocks.
		The new reactor, which is only 20 feet by 6 feet, could change everything for small remote communities, small businesses, or even a group of neighbors who are simply fed up with power companies and want more control over their own energy needs.
		Listen to this.
		The 200 kilowatt Toshiba designed reactor is engineered to be fail-safe, totally automatic, won't overheat.
		Unlike traditional nuclear reactors, the new micro reactor uses no control rods to initiate the reaction.
		The new revolutionary technology uses reservoirs of liquid lithium-6.
		That's an isotope that is effective at absorbing neutrons.
		The lithium-6 reservoirs are connected to a vertical tube that fits down into the reactor core.
		The whole process is self-sustaining and can last up to 40 years, producing electricity for about 5 cents per kilowatt hour, about half the cost of grid energy.
		Toshiba is saying they expect to install the first reactor in Japan in 2008 to begin marketing the new system in Europe and America in 2009.
		You know, I thought they had released all the UFO files in Britain, but lo and behold, the British government is soon to release previously classified details regarding hundreds of reported sightings of UFOs.
		The Sunday Telegraph said on Sunday, not surprisingly, that this upcoming spring, the Defense Ministry is going to release to the general public about 160 files that allege UFO sightings.
		Nothing shocking, I guess they say, but very, very, very interesting.
		Good reason to have Nick Pope on again, I'm sure.
		All right, to the phones we go.
		West of the Rockies, top of the morning, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, hello, is this Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		Hey, Art, this is James from Montana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, James.
unidentified		About Ron Paul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, first of all, condolences to you from Ramona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And congratulations for your new family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		We're very close to the anniversary, January 5th, of Ramona's passing two years ago.
		Anyway, go ahead.
unidentified		Yes, Ron Paul.
unidentified		Could all of us who back Ron Paul, if he makes it and doesn't drop out to the election, could we write him in?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can write in candidates, of course.
		But, you know, this has got to be turned around.
		I mean, Fox just can't be allowed to get away with this.
unidentified		Yeah, that's not right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It isn't right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's got a lot more money than a lot of them now.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he's got higher percentage points.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he won't Giuliani.
unidentified		Yeah, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's just not right.
unidentified		Should be something we can do about that.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can only imagine that somebody's afraid that he might have some fresh idea that the American people decide they're interested in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look what happened in Iowa.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Surprised everybody.
		Why?
		New ideas.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		Well, and that, too, plus he's a constitutionalist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
		You know, it's just got to change.
		I'm sure that Fox doesn't want their fair and balanced slogan turned upside down on its ear and stomped on, right?
unidentified		I know, I know.
unidentified		Anyway, thanks, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thank you very much for the call, sir, and have a great morning.
		You too.
		All right.
		On to East of the Rockies.
		You're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I might have the wrong number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what are you calling?
unidentified		I was trying to call a pizza place down the road here, but if I'm on the air, then I got the wrong number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, then good luck.
		Get anchovies.
		Great.
unidentified		All right.
		All right.
		See you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bye.
		I don't think it was really a wrong number.
		International line.
		Nope.
		Wrong.
		Wrong.
		Let me do this again.
		I'm getting it.
		We have a new piece of software for putting people on the air, and it's a little confusing.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once, going twice, gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line 4, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Phil from Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Phil.
unidentified		Hey, first of all, buddy, you are the best, man.
		We miss you.
		Ron Paul, he's too liberal for Fox.
		He's anti-war, so they don't want to give him any airtime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it's not the point.
unidentified		Oh, I know.
		I know.
		It's not right, but I think that's the main reason, you know, they're very conservative there.
		The other thing is, I have it on good authority that Edna is working in a strip bar in Vegas doing favors in the back.
		And also, you talk about the environment, weather change here.
		Just another thing real quick.
		29 degrees the other morning here in Florida.
		I work overnights on part of your...
		No, it didn't hold for a long time, but it really got down there.
		World changing.
		Well, I'll let you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		29 degrees in Florida.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
		And I guess a guess about Edna.
		Wildcard line one, you're on the air.
		Hello, wildcard line one, going once, going twice, going three times, gone like the wind.
		Wildcard line two, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, R, Tim from L.A. Hey, Tim.
unidentified		Hey, I've got a question, actually two questions, if it's okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Okay, my first question is, are you calling for a boycott against Fox until they straighten this out?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think I did that.
		But if they want to boycott, I don't care what people do.
		I mean, if they're angry, whatever.
unidentified		Okay, okay.
		I was just wondering, because if coast listeners boycott Fox, Fox will panic.
		Honestly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I've never been big on boycotts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I just write them an email and say, you guys suck.
unidentified		Okay.
		My second question is, you know, when Dr. Reitenauer calls in or when he comes on the next hour, Rittenauer, by the way.
		Ritenauer.
		Yes, thank you.
		Can you ask him about the Kim Chi theory?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Kim Chi cure?
unidentified		Kim Chi cure, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll ask him, but I don't think there's anything to that.
unidentified		I don't know, but it was an AP and you brought it up and it was on coast and it seemed really interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll try to remember to ask.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir?
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Thank you very much, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		And I'm going to actually have him start with what a virus is.
		You know, go right down to the basics, spend just a very few moments on that so that even those who are not medically inclined will be able to sort of follow along as we discuss this.
		And you'll better understand why this is so incredibly scary.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, I wanted to say thank you so much for bringing up Ron Paul and talking about that.
unidentified		That's a huge shock to me because I've been waiting for anybody to mention anything about Fox News and nobody has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, now I have.
unidentified		Thank you very much for that.
		And it makes me wonder who owns Fox Network or who's got the strings that are telling them what to say and what to do.
		And because, I mean, that's not fair and balanced at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's the thing.
		In previous years, when we had the debates, you know, Ron Paul's been excluded before, and there may have been, you know, He may not have had enough interest, enough whatever, and so they could use that as an excuse to exclude him.
		But maybe there's nothing like that right now.
		There's no reason.
		In fact, there's every reason to be inclusive of Ron Paul.
unidentified		I think it's funny, and they shot themselves in the foot, and it's just going to draw more people's attention to the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's certainly going to cause a big problem with their slogan.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Big, big problem.
unidentified		Right, thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Unfair and unbalanced and all kinds of stuff.
		How can they keep him out?
		I honestly, honest God, I think it has something to do with the fact that he's got some revolutionary ideas, some things that would cause perhaps the other candidates to be a little bit uncomfortable if they had to respond to it, that sort of thing.
		Don't we need a little bit of that in America?
		From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
		I'm warning you, the guest at the top of the hour is going to scare the hell out of you.
		Let me read you the letter that he wrote me, sent it here to the House, along with his book.
		Dear Mr. Bell, been a fan of your show for years, was on Coast to Coast about a year ago.
		My subject was a coming avian flu pandemic.
		It'll be here soon, and no one is prepared.
		I was with a team from the University of Arizona to go to Vietnam with a novel drug to use on the early flu victims.
		Unfortunately, three days before we were to leave, their government dropped off the radar screen for a month.
		When they reappeared, they said everything was fine here, there, rather.
		The virus is now in 90 countries and has mutated human to human in two countries.
		300 million people to 1 billion people will die in the first year.
		The infrastructure will wink on and off for 12 to 18 months.
		80% of our medications come from other countries and will not arrive.
		The virus kills 60% of the people from ages 20 to 40.
		That's 60%.
		President Bush has signed agreements with the U.N. to allow them to militarize the U.S. and run it.
		I've written my book.
		It's enclosed.
		Because of its unique way of approaching what will happen and how to think about survival, I think it needs a little more coverage.
		Gary C. Rittenauer, M.D. Picked up the phone right away and called him.
		He'll be here at the top of the hour.
		If you can't stand bad news, you'll want to tune out.
		More open line calls in a moment.
		Okay, Wildcard line four, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey.
unidentified		Let me cook my radio down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, right away, please.
unidentified		Okay, I'm back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah, I listened to you on 970 KSYL out of Alexandria, Louisiana.
unidentified		My name is Cornelius.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I'm just glad to hear you back on radio, and today is my birthday, so I'm glad to hear you back, all right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Happy birthday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything else?
unidentified		Well, I love, like I said, UFOs and stuff.
unidentified		I see you going into a little bit different direction tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little bit different.
		Nevertheless, very, very important.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		Have a good birthday.
		What's left of it?
		Hour and 20 minutes or something.
		All right, West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		Going once, going twice.
		Gone like the wind.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on a cell phone in a car, a truck or something.
unidentified		This is correct.
		Okay.
		Yeah, traveling westbound on I-10.
		Listen, on Ron Paul, I know it's Rupert Murdock who owns Fox.
		And if I'm not mistaken, he's part of the Bildeberg group.
		And I'm thinking that would have something to do because Ron Paul would just stir up too much trouble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I kind of think the same thing, that there would be too much trouble for, in other words, some of Ron Paul's ideas are so radical and so interesting and so cool that the other candidates would have no idea how to respond to it.
unidentified		Exactly.
		Exactly.
		And he's probably one of the most honest people we have out there.
		I'm just so tired of all this cookie-cutter politician type.
		You know, it's the same thing over and over again.
		And then you finally get somebody, and I can't believe they will never even mention his name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And listen, thank you very much.
		It's very rare that you would see politics over ratings.
		Now, what do I mean by that?
		Well, you see, having Ron Paul as part of the debate would be really an incredibly interesting thing, and that would equal ratings.
		So we have a very rare situation.
		Normally, ratings rule, right?
		No matter what, ratings equal money and that rules.
		What could trump that?
		Well, I guess politics.
		That'd be my guess anyway.
		Wildcard Line 3, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, Arthur, how are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very well, sir.
unidentified		This is Steve from South Carolina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I was just wondering, when are you going to come back to work, Arthur?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, I don't know how to answer that question.
		I'm spending time with my family.
		You know, I did this for a couple of decades straight.
		And so I'm kind of in a, you know, I'm in a break here.
unidentified		Well, I can understand that, but this is kind of your baby.
unidentified		And I feel the way these two new guys are taking the show, it's not where you intended it to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
		All right.
		Here's the thing.
		Whether it's George or Ian or whoever it is, Raleigh, you know, these people should take the program Where they want to.
		And then ratings will determine if they've taken it to a good place or a bad place.
		And if they've taken it to a bad place, probably they'll be gone.
		Why?
		Because ratings rule.
		Little speech I was giving a little while ago.
		It's always a very, very poor idea to come on the radio and try and copy anybody because it never works.
		So I wouldn't want somebody to come on and copy me.
		Let them do their own thing.
		And if it goes to a good place, the ratings are good.
		People make money.
		The world and Premier is happy.
		Otherwise, something else happens.
		So, you know, in all instances, I used to say, ratings rule.
		I guess I just gave the exception to that.
		So time will tell.
		But I appreciate the call.
		Wildcard line for your on-air.
unidentified		Yay.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Good to hear you tonight.
		My name is Dave.
		I'm calling from the Midwest, Illinois.
		Of course, Barack Obama is our Illinois senator here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		I don't know what to think.
		Personally, I like Ron Paul.
		We're all talking about Ron Paul right now.
		I'm going to vote for Ron Paul in the Republican primary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think Barack is damned interesting.
		You know, on the left side, he's very interesting.
		Who would think that Barack Obama could win in white Iowa?
		It doesn't get much whiter than Iowa.
		So, you know what?
		If he can win in Iowa, then when it goes on to the southern states, people are going to, I think, jump on board.
unidentified		That's quite possible.
		I think he does have a large support.
		I mean, he's a populist, apparently.
		But, you know, he talks about change a lot.
		You know, that he's going to bring about change.
		Well, the real change, I think, if we had Ron Paul in there, he'd really clean house.
		I mean, that's what they're scared of, you know.
		One other thing, real quick, Art, I wanted to mention, yesterday on Thursday, here in the Midwest, just like near St. Louis, was the worst day I've ever seen for chemtrails.
		They were out from morning until dark, just crisscrossed back and forth all day long.
		The sky was just covered with them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Crazy.
		You know, I would like to know what they're trying to do with chemtrails.
		Is it an attempt at climate modification?
		Is it an attempt at mass inoculation of some sort?
		In other words, what do you think they're doing?
unidentified		Well, I think it probably does have something to do with climate change, with what they think they're doing probably is combating global warming.
		But, you know, I tend to agree with the people who believe global warming is not caused by what we're doing, but by the sun, by undersea volcanoes, perhaps, and things like that.
		I mean, we're definitely undergoing some warming.
		But I don't think the government should be up there putting all these chemicals in the air.
		I mean, what happened yesterday, it turned the entire sky by late afternoon was nothing but a white haze over the entire, from one end to the other.
		But it was just constant day, all day long.
		If anybody would look up, they would just see them crisscrossing X's giant plus signs.
		And they would just, oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		I know, sir.
		I've seen it here in the desert.
		You take a crystal clear day.
		Here in the desert, we have low humidity.
		And so generally, for the most part, you have beautiful, dark blue skies.
		You can see forever.
		And then some number of years ago, we began to get these, lack of a better name, chemtrails.
		And sure enough, it would slowly take what was a clear day and turn it into an icky day.
		Icky.
		Is icky a word?
		Into an icky day, you know, kind of a haze covering what should be a blue sky.
		And I don't remember as a child that contrails ever did that sort of thing.
		They were there for a while and just sort of disappeared and went away.
		That's not what we have in our skies now.
		Remember?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Oh, great.
		Yes, great indeed.
		More on our taking off from what we've been talking about, Ron Paul, and ideas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It's not just ideas.
unidentified		Recently in Time magazine, I read yet again, another man found something to do in a foreign country, so to speak, found his calling and is able to go all out to help these people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you talking about, sir?
unidentified		Excuse me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you talking about?
unidentified		Exactly this.
		The reason why it's not just ideas that somebody doesn't want us to hear, it's also actions.
		Because whenever anybody wants to do something for mankind or his fellow man, we always hear them over doing something over a foreign country.
		And why is that?
		Because they won't let you do anything here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		Your message is now clear.
		Like Pounds and Fleshman, for example.
		Cold fusion.
		Couldn't get it done here.
		Went to Europe.
		So that sort of thing does occur.
		A lot of scientific research that for one reason or another can't be done here is done there.
		Wasn't always the case in America.
		We used to be leaders in nearly everything.
		But a lot of it, including ideas, now has to go elsewhere.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Ark.
		This is Tommy from Seattle, KVI 570.
		I want to wish you and yours a long life and all the happiness you can stand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Now, to my point, during one of the 30 or more visitations from these great guys that have been coming around to see me, I had the opportunity to ask them, what were crop circles?
unidentified		And they said it's religious graffiti from one of the other alien races.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Religious graffiti?
unidentified		Yes, yes.
unidentified		The light is the way, God is great, kindness is true, and all that stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they happen to mention how to decipher them so we could see for ourselves?
unidentified		The challenge of it was for us to find it ourselves.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you should have asked the key.
unidentified		Well, I only get about a minute and a half with them before they go because they know the government's keeping an eye on things.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So the Grays think that it's religious graffiti from one of the other groups.
		Wild Carline, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, this is Dale.
		I'm calling from Lincoln, Nebraska.
		This is 1240 here in KFAR.
		KFOR, excuse me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		K-F-A-R, you mean?
unidentified		K-F-O-R.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		K-F-O-R.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah, 1240 here in Lincoln, Nebraska.
		Oh, okay.
		Hey, how about Ron Paul?
		You know, I'm not a Ron Paul supporter, but I listen to what he has to say, and I think the man has the message that the American public needs to hear.
		But, you know, with this thing with Fox, it just kind of brings forth something I remember seeing on the net a long, long time ago.
		And they said that Russia had a Pravda, and the U.S. shadow government has Fox News.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, Fox News is leaning toward the conservative side.
		CNN's leading toward the liberal side.
		That's all cool.
		But, you know, in terms of locking somebody out of a debate, that's not cool at all.
		That's not fair.
		It's not balanced.
		And it's going to bite them in the butt.
unidentified		I agree with you 100%.
		And congratulations on Asia Bell.
		And we miss you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, my friend.
		And have a good night.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine, sir.
unidentified		Oh, this is R?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio all the way off, please.
unidentified		I thought somebody else was pick up, but it's just going to say hello to the world.
		And I just want to say this.
		My dad was in a wreck with an 18-wheeler who was riding down a highway, and my dad was on interstate, and he was in stopped traffic.
		And I don't know what the 18-wheeler guy was thinking or what he was doing, but he plowed into my dad.
		My dad hit five other cars that were on interstate, and my dad can't walk anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm so sorry.
unidentified		So if truckers out there could just really please be careful.
		My second thing is if people out there could please sign the back of their licenses and donate their organs, because I am a double organ transplant recipient.
		I have a pancreas and a kidney.
		And for my transplant, I had to go through three pancreases before I got a good one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		So, yeah, they had infections on them.
		So I waited for the third one, and all 10 things that was supposed to match matched.
		But transplants are a big process.
		And if you ask me, that would be God's greatest gift if you could give life to somebody else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very, very much.
		And you're exactly right.
		You know, I've heard that organs that perhaps are not available here may be available overseas.
		And I suppose if you really, really needed one, as in you'll die without it, that might be something you would consider doing.
		I don't know.
		But I guess there's a lot going on with that.
		I understand why we have the very strict regulations that we have.
		And they make sense.
		Unless you need an organ.
		And then I think you'll probably go get it in any way you can.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Greetings.
		Hey, I was wondering, do they have chemtrails in other countries other than the United States?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And another question.
unidentified		Years ago, you put in that loop antenna.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And you said that you was getting voltage off of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, short of about 400 volts, and that remains true today.
unidentified		Has anyone ever been able to figure out a way to harness that voltage where you could use it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That wouldn't be hard at all.
		There are various ways to harness it.
		What I need to do is measure the amount of current that goes along with that voltage, and then, oh, you could use it for various things.
		In my opinion, there's not going to be a great deal of current.
		What is surprising is that there's no detectable rise time.
		In other words, if you ground it, bring it back up, it's there right away, instantly.
		So it's not as though you're discharging something.
		It's there constantly.
		So, I don't know.
		You could use it for powering something, certainly charging circuits.
		It could be used for a lot of things.
unidentified		Isn't that amazing?
		And one other quick question.
		Is Dolly, is Asia still Dolly's little baby?
		I love that picture of how much Dolly loved her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dolly is Asia's protector.
unidentified		Oh, that is so cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, if we don't keep Dolly out of her room, she will jump up and sleep with Asia and protect her, but at the same time, perhaps wake up once or twice during the night and do the cat kneading thing, you know, with the paws and wake her up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So she loves to be with her so much that we've got to keep that door closed.
unidentified		Oh, that's sweet.
		I mean, I'm a big cat lover.
		We spoke about cats over the years, and Dolly is just very adorable.
		Adorable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She is adorable.
		Thank you very, very much.
		I'm going to try and squeeze one more in East of the Rockies.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		Has anyone ever thought that Jesus' mother, Mary, may have been abducted?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's one I have not heard.
		There, of course, have been some recent motion pictures suggesting all sorts of things that disturb people, but no, I hadn't heard about an abduction.
		That's new.
unidentified		Well, I mean, if Jesus really did all those things, it sounds to me that Quite possibly, since she was a virgin, supposedly, that maybe some sort of abduction by intelligent beings may have taken place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you never know, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's as good a suggestion as anybody's basis for a movie that's been out on that subject fairly recently.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is going to be quite the program, and I warn you that if you're disturbed by scary things and don't want to hear them, turn it off now because this is going to be scary.
		Gary Rittenauer attended Harem College, Harem College, and was at Woodstock in the Kent State shootings.
		He attended medical school in Guadalajara, Mexico, was one of the main characters in the movie Bad Medicine written by a classmate.
		He ran his own clinic for the poor out of a Catholic church clinic, sometimes sat and read up on a problem with the patient in the room.
		Dr. Ridenauer did his internship in Regina, Saskatchewan, and then moved on to St. Louis for his residency in internal medicine.
		Later, he set up the Critical Care Fellowship Program and was the first fellow.
		After training, Dr. Ridenauer ran the emergency room, that would be a biggie at St. Louis City Hospital, where he saw a murder a day, a rape a day, two gunshots to the chest a day.
		In 1975, he set up the first freestanding rape treatment center at City Hospital and was citizen of the year in 1980.
		He decided to go west in 1980 and arrived in Fallon, Nevada, right here in Nevada, in 1981.
		During the Reagan years, Naval Air Station Fallon grew into the premier fighter weapons school in the world and boasts of being the home to Top Gun.
		Dr. Rittnauer has been heavily engaged in the leukemia cluster in Fallon and has co-authored four papers on that subject.
		He probably is the only citizen in the U.S. who can say he turned an aircraft carrier toward home, made sure everyone got antiviral medications on the way.
		His current interest is in educating everyone on the threat of the avian flu.
		And one last time, this is going to be rough stuff.
		But if you want to hear the truth, stay tuned.
		We'll be right back.
		Dr. Rittenauer, welcome back to Coast to Coast AM.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm quite well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I wonder, first of all, thank you for sending me the book.
unidentified		You're welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's how all this began.
		I wonder if it's possible to start by actually having you describe what a virus is.
		I mean, most people know virus causes a cold, virus causes the flu, and what's a virus?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, there are about 80 families of viruses, and 20 families of the virus family infect human beings.
		And they're classified as viral A, B, and C. A is the bad one.
		B is a little bit and not so bad.
		C has never infected humans.
		They're about, you could probably line up 30 million viruses to one inch.
		That's really how small they are.
		They're about 100 nanometers in diameter, which is a millionth of a millimeter.
		And they come in rods and crystals and helixes and polyhedrons and filaments and spheres.
		And the spherical one is the most common for human beings.
		The problem is that they're very, very special because they're very small.
		They may be considered the most advanced parasite in the world because they have no locomotion.
		They have no metabolism.
		They do not have to go out and find food.
		The only thing they do is infect and replicate and go out and infect and replicate again.
		So it's basically they're the ideal parasite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		We've got this horrible thing in front of us.
		I'll tell you what.
		Before I even get to that, is there a difference that you can describe between, say, the common flu, the rhinovirus, and this horrid virus we're going to talk about tonight?
		Is there a difference that one could actually talk about?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's quite a difference with the avian flu, especially what we call H5N1, which is the designation which we'll talk about later.
		But regular flu viruses come, follow the rule of parasites, which is rule number one is you don't kill your host.
		You just spread and move on.
		The avian flu currently is killing about 60% of the people who come in contact with it.
		And we hope, we don't hope, but we think it's going to mutate down to maybe 10% before it really becomes a pandemic.
		The problem is with this virus is that once it gets into our lungs, into our lungs and into the cells in our lungs, our immune system looks at the virus, overreacts, and actually dissolves our lungs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dissolves our lungs.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Dissolves your lungs.
		You'll start coughing blood up, which will actually be your own blood and lung tissue.
		And you can be gone in about eight hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why does this virus cause this overreaction?
		I mean, we get other viruses, a cold or, you know, another standard Asian flu, and we don't overreact.
		We get sick, but we don't overreact.
		What's different that causes this?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, this one, it's called antigenic shift.
		In other words, its structure is immune Systems look at things like a virus and read the structure of the virus and then decide what they're going to do with it and how they're going to get rid of it.
		When it sees the structure of the avian flu virus, it looks at it as being an ultimate foreign body and just attacks it, and as a result, causes what we call a cytokine storm, which is a trigger of a whole bunch of chemicals released to go after the virus, which unfortunately kills the surrounding lung cells also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what kills you is your own body's reaction to the virus.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Your immune system kills you.
		That's true.
		And for that reason, the death rate is highest between age 20 to 40 because they have the best immune system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So those with compromise.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was true.
		You know, CDC last year came out and made a statement that after 20 years of handing out the flu vaccine, they hadn't reduced the death rate for people over 55.
		And they said maybe we should be giving it to the children so that they won't spread it on to other people.
		And then they backtracked this year and said, oh, it cut down the number of people that were admitted to hospitals in a 55 and older, so we should still be giving it.
		So there was quite a bit of hocus-pocus about, you know, our current vaccine.
		Plus, the current vaccine is always a year behind what the current virus is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that doesn't make any sense to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If the flu vaccine works, then it should cut down the numbers for people above age 55 or 65 or whatever, as it would for others, right?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was the original theory was to give it to people over the age of 55 so that the flu wouldn't trip off their other disease problems becoming worse and having them die.
		After 20 years of looking at it, last year they said, we don't think that's really what's happening.
		And so because when you get your flu shot this year, you're not really getting the virus that's going to be coming around that year.
		Two years ago, I had my flu shot, spent five days in the hospital with the flu, because the virus was different than what the vaccine was made for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you know about this year's?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		You know, once again, we're having a problem with the vaccine.
		There's a lot of controversy with the vaccine.
		Our biggest problem is that our current method for making the flu vaccine is 50 years old and requires us to take a chicken egg that's fertilized, put a little hole in it, put the virus in it, patch the hole, let the virus grow, then take the virus out and then purify it and make sure it's not active and then make a vaccine out of it.
		And there was last year, the year before, they had trouble with a lot of eggs and had to throw them out and the vaccine was late getting out to the market.
		The problem is with the avian flu virus is that you put it into the egg, it kills the egg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It kills the egg.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so the whole idea of using eggs is out the window with this one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, we've heard, many of us have heard a lot of things about the avian flu.
		For example, there was a story going around, a caller mentioned it.
		Kimchi was thought to be some sort of defense.
		Right or wrong?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		I really doubt it.
		I'd say wrong.
		It would be like anything else is that.
		If Kimchi really worked and somebody had some good studies to show it would work, the big pharmaceutical companies would be selling kimchi pills today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm sure that's right.
		A few years ago, avian flu was confined to two countries.
		And what's today?
		80 countries?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		80 to 90, something, right?
		We've lost count.
		It's reappeared.
		I mean, if you go into, like, use your browser and put an alert on there to look for the word avian flu or bird flu every day, and you'll get an email that shows you things all over the world that there's new outbreaks here, there's new outbreaks there.
		China just came back out again and said, we've got another outbreak again.
		But, of course, the Chinese have claimed that they've only lost six people due to the flu.
		And when the first two countries came out and said, you know, we've got the flu, then the Chinese finally came out and said, oh, yeah, we've had it too for six years now.
		And, well, in a communist country, that, you know, you have to get together and vote on that.
		You know, so it's like everybody in favor of six, put your hand up.
		So we don't know how many years it's been in China, but they have thrown everything against it and the virus has mutated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the CDC, which is traditionally very conservative, has actually said the avian flu is the greatest threat to mankind in the history of the world.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They really said that.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		That is true.
		And there have been previous flu pandemics before.
		Unfortunately, this virus, this avian flu virus, its ability to mutate and fight and defeat antivirals means that it is a fantastic threat to mankind.
		We got a glimpse of what happened in 1918 when the avian flu broke out in 1918 and killed 50 to 100 million people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was the avian flu?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what happened was they used to call it the Spanish flu.
unidentified		Right.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		And we haven't heard much about it until the bird flu or the avian flu just started appearing again.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		And what they did a number of years ago is that researchers went up into way up in northern Alaska and dug up an Inuit tribe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember that, yes.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Then they were buried in permafrost, And they recovered lung tissue and brought the virus back and found out that it was a bird flu.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		And unfortunately, the CDC has now reactivated that virus, which is currently the deadliest virus in the history of mankind, and they're going around handing it out to laboratories for them to test it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding.
unidentified		No.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		And last year, there were 343 laboratory accidents in those super Andromeda-strain-controlled laboratories with everybody in spacesuits.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		They had 343 accidents last year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, the bird flu, and I'm sure a lot of people in the audience have heard the reports, appears to pop up here and there in Asia mostly, although I guess it's in Europe and all over the place now, but not human-to-human transmission.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really what we're worried about, right?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		We have this year at least three clusters that we know of that appear to be human-to-human.
		The problem is that they're in undeveloped countries, and by the time everybody gets there and starts looking around, things are pretty well covered up or have disappeared.
		The main reason is that Indonesia is probably one of the worst ones.
		Indonesia, every other month, decides not to let anyone see their virus anymore because they're afraid that we'll find that they have a virus that has mutated human to human, and they don't want to be the first country in the world to be quarantined, which would be an economic disaster.
		Is it even possible that it'll go human to human?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To quarantine a country.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, in theory, let's say that.
		But, you know, you can't stop people from moving things in and out of countries.
		And that would probably be financially very tough on them.
		But, you know, we just can't quarantine anything.
		You know, one of the, I mean, my God, a couple of years ago, the U.S. government finally realized that we were still shipping F-16 jet parts to Iraq.
		You know, I mean, we just found that out two years ago.
unidentified		We were still sending them equipment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, something you said at the beginning of the program was one of the first things for a virus, a lethal virus like this, is not to kill the host.
		This would appear to violate that tenant.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's the problem is, is that the 1918 avian flu had a death rate of maybe 5 to 10 percent.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Currently, this avian flu with a death rate of 60 percent isn't going to go into a pandemic because of the fact that people will go down and die so quickly that it won't be spread.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like you have a little brush fire and it burns itself out.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it burns itself out right away.
		I mean, you're sick in the morning and you're dead by 4 o'clock in the afternoon.
		Their fear is that, and then what they're watching for is to see if this flu will start to drop its death rate down so that it can be more infectious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there any indications of that yet?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's a couple of cases, I believe in Turkey, Afghanistan, and somewhere else where they believed that it hit families.
		And in the family, let's say there's about six people, and only two out of six died.
		And they went like, ooh, theoretically, you know, there should have been a lot more dead.
		Maybe this flu has mutated.
		And so, you know, they've looked at those cases and, you know, they're starting to get a feeling that it may start to mutate down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A pandemic, by definition, is what?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Basically, this is an infection of all countries in the world.
		An epidemic is an infection in your country or in your area.
		A pandemic means, you know, it's all over everywhere.
		And there's been lots of them in history before.
		And so it's not very surprising that it's going to happen again.
		But the problem is today is that once we have a pandemic, the industrialized countries or the countries that are more advanced will take the hardest hit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With the densest population?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, the countries that are most developed will take the hardest hit.
		Why?
		Well, for example, like in the United States, there may be 100 million people in the United States that have never camped outside.
		They've never started a fire or anything.
		When this virus hits, they will be shoved beyond the Stone Age.
		They will not know how to cook.
		They will not know how to catch an animal.
		They will not know how to stay warm.
		And they're totally dependent on the infrastructure.
		1918, people still, banking was done by hand.
		Mail was delivered by hand.
		People still had wood-burning stoves.
		They could still go out and kill a chicken and things or whatever.
		And that's not today.
		We got ATMs.
		We're totally dependent on our electricity.
		We're just completely lost if we lose these things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		There are people out there who say the bird flu scare is a hoax.
		I don't know if you've run into them.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But there are people who believe it's just a hoax to scare people, to sell drugs, whatever the reason is.
		They think it's a hoax.
		What do you say to those people?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, in fact, I got a couple of emails from people that it's part of the conspiracy of the New World Order and it's a hoax and so on.
		Quite frankly, in my book, I have the government plan, the national strategy for pandemic influenza.
		And if you read our government plan, it is so crappy and hokey that you have to understand that this is not a hoax, that these people think that this plan is really going to work.
		You know, it's stockpiling vaccines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		no, that's a plan for dealing with.
		I'm saying there are people who think that just the fact that you're saying that the bird flu exists and will become a pandemic, the whole thing's a hoax.
		There's no bird flu.
		There's nothing to worry about.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		I sincerely hope that whoever's saying that, that they absolutely are correct on this.
		Unfortunately, the fact of the matter is that with all the research, all of the world being done, this is not a hoax.
		This is the real deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Doctor, hold tight.
		We'll be right back from the high desert.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		Okay, let's clear something up right away.
		I'm told I may be mispronouncing the doctor's name.
		Dr. Gary C. Reidnauer?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Reidnauer, yeah, that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Reidnauer.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		I'm easy, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, let me try it again.
		Reidenauer.
		Is that correct?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yep, that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Reidnauer.
		Very good.
		Doctor, stand by.
		Back to the bird flu pandemic that's coming in a moment.
		Dr. Reidnauer, we hear about millions of poultry being slaughtered in different parts of the world.
		I think they just slaughtered many, many in Europe.
		Is that correct?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		In fact, in Europe last year, or actually this year, they killed so much poultry that the grocery stores reported that they had about a 20% drop in incomes last year because of loss of revenue because there was no poultry to sell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		And again, you say that in two countries it has mutated to a human-to-human form of the virus.
		Is that for real?
		I mean, are we guessing?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, they've said by the numbers, by the time, like I said, they get there, for example, in Pakistan, there was, I believe, a number of brothers.
		One was a veterinarian, he got sick and then passed it on to two other brothers who died, and they hadn't been in contact with anyone with the bird flu.
		And they were quite concerned that this may have been a straight person-to-person transmission.
		Unfortunately, by the time everyone got there, the dead had been buried, and that was the end of it.
		Our problem is today is that so far in the entire world, I think we've only had about two autopsies of people who have died with the bird flu because of cultural and distance problems and things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying the pandemic, a bird flu pandemic, is inevitable.
		Not a matter of if, but a matter of when.
		Why?
		Why do you say that?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's because of the ability of this virus to mutate and the way it goes about killing people.
		They compare it to the 1918 avian flu pandemic, look at this one and said, you know, it's no longer an if, it's now a when.
		One other group has quoted that the probability is one chance in three of it becoming a pandemic.
		It's just that it doesn't stop.
		It just keeps coming.
		It's not seasonal anymore.
		At first, they thought it was going to go with the migratory bird patterns.
		That's not happening anymore.
		It's moving with commerce.
		A form of the bird flu appeared in England earlier this year, and it actually went human to human, but it just made the people sick with the flu symptoms.
		And they thought they had it completely contained and said, wow, we've done it.
		The next thing you know, it's in West Virginia.
		And then Virginia, and now it's in Canada.
		So it's moving with commerce.
		We also have problems with, there's a lot of people in the world who smuggle birds.
		And bird smuggling, a lot of these birds are sick.
		So they smuggle them around, and we have no way of controlling that either.
		But yeah, all the experts, especially Dr. Michael Osterholm, who if you go on the internet and look up SIDRAP, C-I-D-R-A-P, they follow it very, very closely, the University of Minnesota.
		And he's kind of the prophet.
		Four or five years ago, he was saying, this is bad.
		This is not good.
		A year or so on the news, they had somebody from WHO and somebody from the CDC, and they quoted Osterholme and Osterholm, they said, you know, two years ago we thought this guy was crazy.
		Now we look to him as being the prophet.
		That he was on target a number of years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, for the CDC to quote it as the biggest threat to mankind, I guess, in history, that's just an amazing statement to make.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is, and this virus, we have lots of other viruses, but this is not like this one.
		In fact, a very surprising thing just happened about a week ago is that in, I believe it was Missouri or Mississippi, I think Mississippi, they had a number of pigs that became ill, and they found that they had a virus.
		They looked at the virus, and it was a pig virus which had picked up the avian flu virus, and that avian flu virus mutated with the pig virus.
		And that's the first time that's been seen before.
		And they've done a lot of studies to see whether or not it would transmit human to human, and it hasn't.
		The problem is that the pig is a virus cooker.
		Pigs are quite physiologically similar to human beings.
		And so viruses cook in pigs and often go from a pig to a human, and then the flu will take off.
		So this was a big surprise.
		Every time we look at one area and we think everyone's got kind of a handle on what's going on, then we turn around and now we've got a bird pig virus that's popped up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, how quickly could this develop and spread?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		A good example is that the Pakistanis I was talking about, one gentleman, one brother was from New York City, flew to Pakistan and buried two of his brothers and flew back to New York and didn't feel well at all and went to an emergency room and was immediately isolated because they were afraid that he may have contracted the bird flu and had,
		you know, they were afraid that he was on two or three different airplanes.
		The people in those planes had gone off to other airplanes and within a day or two, you would have 10 or 15,000 people already contaminated.
		So it would move very fast.
		The Ostraholm says that when it hits the United States, and if it's really going to be as bad as we think it is, we will be out of caskets in the first week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The first week?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		The first week, we will not have any caskets.
		One, the caskets will be used up as one.
		Two, the people that make the caskets will be dead, sick, or staying home.
		The supplies for the caskets won't be there.
		That was one of the problems in 1918 is that the survivors of the flu had their lifespan reduced by almost 15 years because of the amount of damage done to their organs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Primarily lungs or what?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, lungs and things like that.
		My uncle had asthma-like symptoms for the rest of his life after he had the ADN flu.
		And subsequently, at a very young age, had a flu attack in Kansas City.
		And he was in a drugstore, and he ran back to the bathroom.
		And unfortunately, it was a stairway to the basement, and he broke his neck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		But there were a lot of other people that were incapacitated.
		It ended the First World War.
		I mean, that's just to give you an idea of how bad it was.
		In less than a year, it stopped the First World War.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ebola is an interesting virus.
		It does the same thing we were talking about earlier, right?
		It's so lethal, it just burns out.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the thing is that the Ebola is the same thing.
		It gets loose in one area.
		just kills the whole village and it's over.
		But our little avian friend just...
		Well, Ebola is more of a hemorrhagic fever, and the morphology or the structure of the Ebola virus is very different than the physical structure of the bird flu virus.
		And for that reason, it doesn't have the characteristics to mutate as much as our bird flu friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		All right.
		What about defenses against it?
		For a while, we heard that Tamiflu might work against it.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Does it?
		We just had some problems with Tamiflu.
		First off, resistance is almost one-third of the patients just normally with the flu.
		In China, Tamaflu did not work at all.
		Just recently in Japan, they've been using a lot of Tamaflu, and they had four teenagers commit suicide from one dose of Tamiflu because of unbelievable hallucinations when they took the Tamaflu.
		And so they've taken a big step back on Tamaflu now and said, you know, this is probably not going to work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that said, again, is it possibly effective against bird flu or not?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Right now, the answer is no.
		And we've got flumedine, which is another one, and Ralenza, which is another one.
		And it's, you know, the Tamaflu manufacturers are in Europe, and they pulled back delivering Tamaflu to the United States for a while and said, we're going to keep it all in one big pile.
		And when the flu breaks out, then we're going to send all that antiviral medicine to that one country to control it.
		That would be complete chaos.
		I mean, you'd be paying $200 for a Tamaflu tablet because, you know, it would be hijacked right away and only the rich would get the medication.
		And currently, it's not the drug of choice.
		Even on your website today, you had a mention of a new vaccine that's coming out.
		And that new vaccine is, let's see, I think it's AccuFlu A, I think it is, by Aventis Corporation.
		And you look around on this one and you go, whoa, new flu vaccine that could be a good against A and B. And you read the results and I read four or five different articles and they've only used it on 72 people.
		And I said, oh, wow, it looks pretty good.
		And then I found that it has a safe harbor statement with it now that says that forward-looking statements like may, will, could, forecasts, expects, predicts, so on and so forth are really not fair because further research may be unpredictable.
		In other words, don't really put too much weight into what we're talking about right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the time you're exposed to H5N1 to the moment you begin getting sick, it would be how long?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, H5N1 was the 1918, and it came in three waves.
		And it came out of, for some reason, we think it came out of Asia, but where it really started cooking was in Kansas and in the military bases in Kansas.
		And it got over to, it went from Fort Lewis, and then it rode with the trains, with the troops.
		And of course, in those days, they shipped the chickens live until they were processed because they really didn't have a good way of freezing them and so forth in 1918.
		So the chicken containers went all over the country and things.
		Within a day or two of being exposed in 1917, people were starting to get sick.
		They called the three-day flu.
		And then the second and third wave hit.
		By spring 1918, you could go down, you could be dead in just a few days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, when you say waves, you're talking about waves.
		So, I don't know, you and I are in Nevada, for example.
		So if this thing began to move, that going in, began to move, you're suggesting it would come through past Nevada, get however many people take it's going to, and then keep going, and what?
		Go around the world and then back to Nevada or around the country and back to Nevada or what?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		One of the fears is that this may become the predominant flu for the next 10 or 15 years, that it may come in a wave and then disappear, and then next year come back in a stronger or less strong version and may keep coming in back and forth.
		In 1918, they did note that they started making people in the United States wear a cloth mask.
		And they didn't have funerals.
		They didn't want people to get together.
		They stopped meetings and parades and everything.
		And they found out that the virus came into a town with a horrible death rate.
		And within a week to 10 days, it was gone.
		And so, like I said in my book, the best theory is that if you can stay indoors for 10 days and stay away from everybody, you've got a good chance of surviving it.
		It will be gone then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At least the first wave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But then another wave.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		There's a possibility of another wave.
		The problem is that the damage to the infrastructure will be we'll lose power first, electrical power.
		And because electricity is brokered every day, and the brokers will be dead, sick, or not be able to get to work, or they'll be staying home with their kids because the schools will all be closed.
		And the people that deliver the fuel or run the plants won't be there.
		And so, you know, we'll get a rolling blackout that will take out most of the country.
		And from there, then, you know, communication goes down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This country is not at all equipped to live without power.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, our power system, our backup systems and designs to catch overloads are over 45 years old.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, a few years ago in Ohio, we almost came up to within 30 seconds of a massive blackout of the entire East Coast because of an overload.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Yeah, well, there have been.
		Of course, East Coast.
		I was at that great power failure back in New York, the first great power failure.
		It was awful.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I was in Ohio, and we thought it was an atomic war or something because there was no radio, there was no TV, there was no nothing.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, we couldn't figure out what was going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think the, I guess then, also the first responders, those in ambulances, clinic workers, hospital workers, they're going to go first, aren't they?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the first thing is that once we lose power, we lose fuel.
		And if you saw in Oklahoma when they got hit with that big ice storm, people with big manual pumps trying to pump gasoline or fuel out of the ground so that they could take it to the water department so they could keep the pumps running so they could keep up water pressure.
		And so, you know, without power, we don't have fuel.
		And your first responders go, 80% of our drugs for hospitals and everybody in the United States come from other countries.
		That stuff won't be coming.
		When the power goes out, all of our aircraft navigate by radio signals from the ground.
		They won't be able to get around because there won't be any power.
		So that goes down the chutes.
		So there's no medication.
		The outside of the hospitals will have lines of people trying to get in who are sick.
		Only the ones that are coughing up blood will actually be brought in.
		They will be given morphine to make them comfortable until they pass away.
		And like England has already picked out buildings to use as temporary mortuaries.
		And then once the buildings are full, they're going to set them on fire and burn them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is actually a written plan?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it actually goes back to the 1962 plan in England of what to do after an atomic attack, what to do with the bodies.
		Hong Kong has already set up to use their stadiums as field hospitals.
		A lot of countries have set up real plans for this.
		The problem is that when we run out of morphine for these people, then what do we do next?
		Do we dispatch them with a pistol, or what do we do?
		Furthermore, with no power, after a while, generators are horribly inefficient, and so pretty soon you don't have any fuel for the generator either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Right.
		But you said that if you were able to isolate yourself for, what did you say, 10?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Eight to 10 days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eight to ten days.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's a current, you know, it's a kind of a joke in my office that people come in and go, you know, the flu bug's loose here in town.
		And I went, yep.
		And if we'd all stay home for a week, it would be gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're still in practice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of practice do you have, Doctor?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, originally I was internal medicine and critical care.
		After 25 years in rural Nevada, I see everything from babies on up.
		So it's more like country medicine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They do a flu report on CNN.
		It seems like I think Nevada right now is in sort of the sporadic category.
		Is that accurate?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		And it depends where you're at, too.
		Our problem in Fallon is that we have about 13,000 men and women that come through the Navy base every year.
		So you could be getting a sore throat on an aircraft carrier in the Indian Ocean, and three days later you're coughing in a casino in Fallon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a good point.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		You know, so our waves are quite different than what we get here.
		But it usually comes in the regular flu virus usually comes in the winter because the mutation of the virus happens over in Asia, which at that time of the year, it's their spring.
		So it's their spring there, and it's our winter here, and the virus is on its way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've always been curious about why it all seems to come out of Asia and probably Southeast Asia more than anything else.
		So we'll address that when we get back.
		We're going into a break.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		This is coast to coast a.m.
		Good morning.
		A virus that kills 60% of the people it infects between ages 20 and 40.
		My guest is Dr. Reidnauer, and we're talking about the bird flu.
		We'll get right back to it.
		I've always wondered, and I guess I really know the answer to this question, but I'll ask it, Doctor, why Southeast Asia, China, why do most of the flus seem to begin there?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's because the people that live there live in close proximity to chickens and pigs.
		So they have chickens running through the house.
		They've got chickens underneath their houses.
		They're picking chickens up and carrying them to market.
		They've got pigs walking around in their yard.
		So their contact with these infected animals is quite high.
		Whereas, you know, here, we take our chickens and pack them into these buildings and, you know, and raise them in mass.
		And it may be that the way that we have the mass market of producing chicken may be our downfall.
		That this may have actually helped to start the virus.
		And we were talking before about Ebola and the bird flu.
		Ebola is not as deadly because of the fact that Ebola doesn't have a reservoir of animals that carry the virus.
		Whereas the bird flu right now, the reservoir is almost every bird on the planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I don't think they even know where the Ebola virus comes from or what brings it around at any given moment, do they?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		No, there's multiple variations of it.
		A lot of it is circumstantial.
		It popped up about 1976, and they have looked around.
		They found that the bats will carry it, but nothing else seems to be too interested in it.
		Whereas going and looking at the avian flu, the viral mass of the avian flu is just so huge that the possibility for mutation is very easy.
		I mean, that's the way evolution happened, is that you had to get a huge mass of animals for a slight change to happen.
		Because this viral mass is so huge, Europe just announced that by spring, the avian flu will be endemic in their country.
		I mean, in Europe.
		In other words, the entire, all of Europe will be saturated with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So with that much viral load everywhere, the possibility for a mutation, I'm sure they can do the numbers on it.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's why they're saying that it's going to happen, is because the viral load is, well, it's from, geez, you can start from England and go all the way to Asia.
		Back, the Russians, when it was going through Russia a year or two ago, the Russians came up with a great idea, which is they opened up a duck season early to shoot the migratory birds down, which was disastrous.
		But a lot of places have different ideas on it, and that's the problem with the cultural problems that are holding us back from ever being able to control this thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If this happened, if it was coming, if you knew it was coming, and just days away, perhaps, from where you are in Nevada, what would you do, Doctor?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, one, I'd have to realize that I wouldn't be able to help or take care of anyone.
		I wouldn't be able to treat anyone.
		If they come in coughing blood up and things, they're probably going to die.
		I would be overwhelmed with the ill and dying.
		If I packed up and went home, people would come to my house and come out and demand that I try to do something for them, which I would not be able to do.
		And the only thing I would be able to do is to take my family and go somewhere and ride it out until the worst is over, then try to come back and pick up the pieces.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's what you do.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'd have to do because there's nothing that I could do to help anyone with it.
		And it's better to try to survive with your family and ride it out until it's gone by.
		We were talking before about this, about telling people that, well, I have a generator and I've got lots of guns and I've got lots of lights and da-da-da-da and all that.
		When people start talking about how much stuff they have, when the avian flu hits, you painted a target on your back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Because people, when this hits and things go bad, people are going to have no food, they're going to have no heat, no light, and they see a real bright place down the road.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		They're going to upgrade their living facility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess it's worth asking you at this point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would obviously take some medicine for your family, wouldn't you?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I take, you know, probably some antibiotics, things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about antivirals?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Probably would, you know, stock up, take some, maybe some Tamiflu Ralenso long.
		Also, make sure that, you know, I've got everything prepared.
		I was just during the break just found something that is from SIDRAP again, C-I-D-R-A-P, and it's very interesting.
		It's from Montgomery County Health Department.
		And they have something called a, let's see, it's called a, because we're going to be overwhelmed and things, it's a home health kit.
		And what it is, it's called the Home Care Influenza Tool Kit.
		And you can pick this up on the net, and it tells you about how to prevent from being infected, how to prevent transmission between people, and guidelines, how to take care of people at home.
		And that's what we're going to have to do.
		There is a mask that is approved to wear, which is called a NIOSH, N-I-O-S-H N95 mask.
		But even wrapping something around your face two or three times will probably, a bandana type thing will probably cut down on inhaling the virus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, it's spread by just the way it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's sneeze, a cough, whatever?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, by sneezing and coughing.
		And because it's in the lungs and the people sneeze and out it goes.
		We're not sure whether it could be spread by stool or by urine as of yet.
		But definitely it's a respiratory virus, so not inhaling the virus is the best plan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is this bird flu so likely to become airborne, which is of course so awful and accounted for the 1918 pandemic, as opposed to through bodily fluids, for example?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, this virus, because it's got such a massive infection in the lungs, the human lungs, if you take them out and open them up and lay them out, they will fill a tennis court.
		And so that's an awful lot of surface area.
		So that virus is in there, and when you start to cough, it's going to be coming out of those lungs.
		And it's a very, very small virus, so it spreads well.
		People sneeze.
		Some people can get up to 150, 200 mile an hours, 200 mile an hour sneeze and can actually blow a virus 10 or 15 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but again, there is a difference between, if you look at AIDS, for example, I believe it is well generally known, it is only spread by bodily fluids, intervenus, drug users, that sort of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But bodily fluids, right?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		It is because the virus has a very, very tight temperature range, okay?
		It can only stay very close to 98.6 degrees.
		So if I had AIDS and I licked a glass and handed it to someone else, before it got to them, the temperature would already have been dropping.
		The virus would be dead.
		But when it was transmitted from inside of a human to the inside of another human being, the temperature drop never occurred.
		Okay, that's the problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so what about a sneeze, for example?
		And this particular bird flu, or maybe we ought to talk about the 1918 variety.
		I'm sure they've done lots of testing on that.
		How long does it live?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		That's the problem.
		Current research on this virus under optimal conditions, let's say if it is in bird dropping and the temperature stays fairly warm, let's say in the mid-60s or 70s, 39 days.
		Oh, my God.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		39 days.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		So I got a little remote-controlled helicopter this summer from, you know, shipped to me from China.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		I'm opening the box up and I'm going like, good Lord, I wonder if there's something in here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, gee, a lot of things come from China now, huh?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		10% of everything that China ships out goes to Walmart.
		So of course they claim that there's no, the virus is not over there, really, because if they had a horrible outbreak of the avian flu, then communism has failed.
		That communism is not working because they can't control the health of their people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I suppose in some ways communism has a better chance of controlling or isolating an outbreak than we do.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		They will.
		And your problem is that you will have a lot of defections in your military of people wanting to go home to get to their families or army units that are going to try to get out of the country by crossing the border into another country.
		You'll have border wars.
		They've got a better chance of controlling the population, but at the same time, it's really difficult to control your military because they want to take off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The 1918 pandemic came in three waves.
		It did.
		So the world has changed a very great deal since 1918.
		If we were to make a comparison between what happened then and what is likely to happen in the modern world, how much difference would there be?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what they're looking at is that 1918 was estimates go from 50 to 100 million died in about a year, and with about maybe 5 or 10% death rate.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		And so they figure that with the current population in the, you know, Russia and China, especially China and Asia, have gotten really into raising chickens and pigs and really gotten into raising these animals, that that's how we come up with the number that the CDC says 100 million, and people like Dr. Osterholm said worst case scenario will be 1 billion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For most diseases, Doctor, people say, you know, forget getting a flu shot.
		For God's sakes, just eat and live a healthy life and bolster your immune system, and you're not going to get these things.
		But if I'm reading what you've written correctly, you're saying the people with really hot immune systems are going to be the first to go down.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've received a number of emails today from people who've purchased the book and said, what about selenium?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		If we take selenium, do you think that would help us to resist this by increasing our immune system?
unidentified		Right.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		we don't have any research on any of these things about increasing the immune system, but it would tend to make sense that if you up your immune system, you might have more lung damage than you'd want to anticipate.
unidentified		Again, it's called what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When it attacks your lung?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some sort of...
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		It's a whole cascade of chemicals that the lung tissue releases trying to kill the virus.
		And it's like an immense allergic reaction.
		And consequently, it dissolves the lung tissue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dissolves the lung tissue.
unidentified		Right.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		And so what happens is that you have cough.
		In 1918, people came in coughing, up blood.
		They would just basically strap them to the bed and try to get anything to make them comfortable because their oxygen levels would go so low, they would turn a very bluish-black color, hallucinations.
		In one account that I read, one man managed to drag him and his bed to a window and go out the window and committed suicide.
		And the same thing would happen here is that the high fevers, the heat, I mean high fevers, a cough, shortness of breath, heart rate going up, bleeding, that would be the big signs.
		A lot of places now, a couple of years ago they talked about it, that if you are coming on an international flight, there are sensors now that check your body temperature, and if you have a fever, they pull you over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a fact.
		When I went to China last time, they, in fact, were doing that.
		There was a little it was, I think it was a laser, and they'd hit you with it, and you didn't even know you were being measured.
		Although I think there was a little sign there.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		You're the third person that has told me that.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		And in fact, in the last two months, in fact, somebody had their, they did the laser temperature and even took their blood pressure before they got on the plane, and they're saying, oh, we have no problems over here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what happens if you do have a fever?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, then you'd go to quarantine until they could figure out what's wrong with you.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		And you wouldn't make the flight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		No, you'd be off to quarantine until they could find out what's going on.
		And the problem is, is that, for example, Indonesia, if they want to check for the avian flu, the samples, most of the time, are shipped to Hong Kong because Hong Kong's got the lab that can do the testing.
		For a while, in Vietnam, they kept saying, well, the bird flu is not present here and it's not present there.
		And the testing kit they had was defective.
		And they got new testing kits and found out the bird flu was in other areas that they thought were clear.
		So, and the other thing is that once they, you know, let's say that they find a virus, a virus and they think it's going human to human, then you have to pack it in some sort of a bomb-proof, crash-proof container to fly it back to the United States or somewhere to look at it.
		Because one of the fears is that you're taking this thing on an airplane, the plane goes down, and the virus gets out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		So it's very complicated on how they try to examine this virus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we have not really managed to isolate and transport a human-to-human version of this virus to, say, the CDC for examination?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		No.
		They get to other countries, and other countries look at it, and they'll say, we don't think, maybe their method of analyzing the genetic structure is not the way that we do it.
		So we always tend to get different sort of answers to the problem.
		Before we were talking about the three waves of flu in 1918, two of the waves in 1918 were never reported because the military thought it was bad for morale during the war.
		And in the meantime, the Germans lost so many people from the flu that they suddenly in late 1918 turned around and looked back to Germany and said, wow, we don't have any recruits.
		We've lost a whole lot of people that make all the weapons and bullets and things for us.
		They're gone.
		We've got to find a way of suing for peace because we're out of the war.
		So they went ahead with the armistice and then the Treaty of Versailles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of quarantines do you imagine we would see if we begin to see the real human-to-human transmission?
		Obviously, the whole world is going to be concerned.
		And they're going to take pretty draconian steps, I would think, very quickly.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would say that international flights are over.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Professional, anywhere where people are gathered together, such as schools, universities, sporting events, like baseball games, football games, all of those things will be gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, this is pretty important because a lot of us do a lot of world travel.
		So you could be in Europe, you could be in Asia, and it would break out somewhere.
		And you're telling me they would stop all international flights, meaning you'd never get home.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		That's a possibility and a very good possibility.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		The other thing, too, is that we would be, some countries would be forced to shoot down private planes trying to sneak back into the country or sneak From their country into their country, or sink boats coming in because they've been told not to come in and they're still trying to get to shore to get away from the infection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How quickly do you think the infrastructure would break down once that began?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		They're talking about most experts go 12 to 18 months of intermittent failure of the infrastructure.
		And that means loss of power, loss of delivery of food, medicines, no jobs.
		I mean, just unbelievable.
		I mean, later, in a couple of minutes, we can talk about my can of bean theory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can of beans.
		All right.
		Indeed, that coming up, I'm Mart Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. Here I am indeed.
		This is kind of a rough one to do in a lot of ways because I'm afraid it's quite likely.
		In fact, inevitable is the word the doctor's using.
		My guest is Dr. Gary C. Reidnauer.
		And he's talking about the bird flu.
		And that's it.
		Inevitable.
		And the way it will take us is pretty brutal, to say the least.
		We'll be right back.
		Reading from Dr. Reidnauer's book, it says here, the avian flu is now endemic in Southeast Asia.
		That means that every summer, which is our winter, the virus will appear again.
		This year, the World Health Organization states the probability of a pandemic is 30%.
		There's no doubt it will mutate to a human-to-human form.
		The only question is when.
		The virus has mutated human-to-human in Sumatra and Turkey, so those are the countries, but was contained.
		Once a large country has documented a mutation, the world will quarantine it.
		No country is going to announce that they have the makings of a pandemic because it will be financial and political suicide.
		This is from the book Pandemic.
		By the way, Doctor, where is your book available?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Currently, it's on my website right now called pandemicdirect.com.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		And I'd like to thank the first 8,000 people that hit the site in the last five to six days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		So I'm getting a good response on it.
		Yeah, we're talking about what countries are going to do when this breaks out.
		And I had to hold publication of my book for about a month because I had to throw an added page into the back of the book and get it to the publisher, which is that President Bush last year signed the North American Plan for Avian and Pandemic Influenza in Canada and basically has turned over the United States to be managed by the United Nations
		if the bird flu gets that bad in the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, why would he do that?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
		Everyone's asking it.
		It was no fanfare in 2006 when he did this, but it sets the stage to militarize the management of the continental health emergencies.
		And it was a shift in policy, but he's going to place the U.S. under international guidelines and not any guidelines determined by domestic agencies.
		This was sort of a shock to everyone, mainly for the main part, is that, my God, the United Nations is in New York City.
		That's the worst place in the world to be if there's a pandemic.
		I mean, there's not going to be able to run anything.
		But this is, you can find this on the net on WorldNet Daily, U.S. under UN law in health emergency.
		And it's pretty scary because they're just going to turn the whole thing over to the UN.
		Even the government, our government plan, when you read it also, it's containment, keep the flu from getting to our country.
		If it gets here, try to keep it from spreading.
		And then maintain the infrastructure.
		The bottom line to the plan is you're on your own, folks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not workable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying the infrastructure is going to go down very quickly.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		There's no plan.
		The government has no plan to take care of us.
		We're on our own.
		Reno, Nevada has a plan that they're going to get 5,000 volunteers so they can get out and vaccinate people.
		The vaccine is 12 years away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say, with what?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		With what, yeah.
		And not only that, they think the vaccine will require one injection and then a booster about six or eight weeks later.
		Well, who's going to be around to give the booster?
		A lot of the people will die before they get the booster.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's this can of beans?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		The can of beans theory?
		Well, we're so used today of just going to a store and you go to pick up your favorite can of beans and it's not there.
		And you talk to someone and they say, no problem, it'll be here tomorrow.
		And you go back in, your beans are there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Now, after the flu hits, you have to understand that to get a can of beans, you need a farmer to plant the beans and pick them.
		And then he needs petroleum, gas, that's maybe brought from Saudi Arabia and then processed into gasoline so he can drive his tractor.
		Then gas has to be used by the truck to take it to the factory.
		The factory has to have ingredients shipped to them.
		Then you need workers.
		You need paper cases.
		People have to go out and cut trees down to make paper.
		People have to make paste and glue.
		And then you have a delivery system and an ordering system.
		And you have to have people that will stock the beans.
		So right off the bat there, when you pick that can of beans up, there's 8,000 to 10,000 people involved in that can of beans.
		And you have to have a job, too, to be able to pay for it.
		With the flu hitting, a lot of those people aren't going to be around anymore.
		So that can of beans may not be in your store again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And from the time there was a serious outbreak of this bird flu, how quickly would we be looking at the kind of disastrous infrastructure meltdown you're talking about here?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, the loss of electrical power would be in the first week or two, and then that would just start the meltdown because A week or two once the pandemic hits us.
		Look at for New York City, four days without power, the entire subway system is flooded.
		They pump 30 million gallons of water out of the subway system a day to keep it dry.
		And four days, the subway system is flooded.
		Four days without electrical power in New York, it'll take them a year to put the fires out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you say to people who say, look, this book, the whole bird flu thing, it's scaremongering.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's just not real.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's the worst case scenario.
		The thing of it is, is that we have to be prepared for it because it has happened before.
		In my book, I mentioned that 75,000 years ago, a volcano blew up in Indonesia, and the population of the humans on this planet dropped down to just a few thousand because of about a five-year winter.
		And so it's happened before, and it's going to happen again.
		And so being prepared for this is what you should be doing.
		And you look at Katrina, and the problem was that no one was prepared for what was going to come.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And nobody's really prepared for this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how do you prepare for this?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've taught survival classes, and people go, like, what will I need to survive?
		And the question is very easy.
		You're sitting in your house, you have no heat, you have no electricity.
		What are you going to need to survive?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Heat, electricity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That means you don't have food.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you have no food, electricity.
		How are you going to survive?
		Well, you're going to have a food store.
		You have to have a way of cooking the food and preparing it.
		You have to take one small room and get all the blankets and everything in there to make it a sleeping and maybe even a living type area so that you can keep it warm.
		You have to have battery-operated flashlights.
		A lot of people today have those little solar-powered lights in their yards.
		I've played with those and I can recharge four to six AA batteries in one day of sunshine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Because they've got AAs in them.
		So I'm basing my electrical power on AA battery lights because I can recharge them without any problems.
		And so you need light.
		You need heat.
		You need food.
		You know, you need some sort of a defense system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was about to say, you said earlier that, you know, if you're the one with the solar power, you're the one with the stock of food, somebody's going to come and take it away from you or try to.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's why you have to be a black hole in the night.
		In other words, you're there, but no one can see you.
		I mean, you've got the windows covered up and things so that no light gets out there.
		So it looks like you're not even home.
		You know, that's the problem is that you just have to hide.
		I remember one time here, we were talking about a flood happening, and we were talking to a couple of our friends that were Mormons, and they said, well, we have all the food.
		And my friend was the other doctor here in town, said, yeah, but we got all the guns.
		And they went, yeah, we know that.
		That seems to be a problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You personally, doctor, would you protect yourself with lethal weapons?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		If it got down to it, if it was to save my family, I would be forced.
		Yes, I would do it.
		Our problem is that we have so many people in this country that have never even shot a BB gun in their life.
		My sons went through scouts.
		They can throw tomahawk and knife, shoot bow and arrow, black powder rifles, sleep up in the mountains when it's 20 below zero.
		But unfortunately, most of the U.S. population has no experience like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That brings up an interesting question.
		This virus, would it spread more readily in warm areas than in cold areas?
		For example, you're up north in Nevada.
		It's kind of cold up there.
		Would that slow the spread of it?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's kind of a tossed-up question because in the wintertime when it's cold, people tend to congregate more in the house, and so they spread the bug between each other.
		So it might be to the disadvantage if you're staying indoors a lot and the family is all going out different places and that and then bringing the virus back to the house and passing it around.
		So as in summertime, you'd be better just to kind of just hang outside around the house.
		Either way, the same problem is that social isolation is going to be the answer, whether it's summer or winter.
		Staying isolated is going to be the big thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you might have to be prepared to stay isolated for not just one wave, but up to three or more.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, three waves or more.
		One of the reasons that they're talking about this being so possible this year is that the plague was preceded by what was called the small ice age.
		There were wars during the plague.
		It came out of Asia.
		You go back to 1918, there was a war.
		The 1918 winter was one of the worst winters in history.
		It froze all the way out to Nantucket Island.
		In 1918, it snowed in Argentina.
		In August of this year, it snowed in Argentina.
		Both the plague and the 1918 were preceded with earthquakes, floods, and all kinds of other horrible things.
		The same thing has happened.
		I call it the pandemic parallels.
		So the parallels are lining up again so that it looks like it's going to be a good possibility that we'll have it in the next few years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, something had to have hit you pretty hard for you to write this book.
		When did it get to you?
		How did it get to you?
		When did you realize the danger?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, two, three years ago, about three years ago, I was with a group of researchers from the University of Arizona who had a medication that they thought might work.
		And they had some very good connections.
		And We were going to go to Vietnam to try the experimental medication.
		So I started really reading up on it and everything.
		And about three days before we were going to go, the Vietnamese government just kind of dropped off the radar screen.
		And when they reappeared a month later, they said, everything's fine here.
		We have no problems.
		So we never went.
		So I continued to follow the progression of the bird flu.
		And then I started thinking about writing the book.
		And then it hit me that my mother was an orphan at three years of age.
		And then I'd heard just bits and pieces of the story.
		And I realized that in 1918, my grandmother and grandfather died from the 1918 bird flu and left my mother as an orphan.
		And they never talked much about it afterwards.
		And so I did some researching, and I went, wow, this is really hitting me now because I never got to meet my grandparents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, was the 1918 flu the same in the storm that would hit the lungs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that same?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		It was exactly.
		And for a long time, they didn't understand why it was happening.
		And when they got to the Inuits up in Alaska and dug them up and got to look at the lung tissue, they went, son of a gun, this is the same mechanism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's certainly frightening.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		It's just amazing that it's coming back again.
		And the death tolls for 1918, for example, India lost 16 million people in one year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		16 million people in one year.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		In one year, because their problem was that the doctors that they had were British trained, they were all at the front in the war.
		Our problem here is that, let's say you're in New York City and you've lost power because of the flu and you've got rioting.
		You have to get on the telephone and call up Afghanistan and say, can I have the New York National Guard back, please?
		Because all of our guard and everybody's over, you know, out of the country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe it'll end the Iraq war.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's going to thin the herd.
		We know that.
		That's what it will definitely do is thin the herd out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What differences would you draw between H5N1 and, well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would you designate this new flu, assuming it becomes human-to-human transmission, how would it be designated differently than H5N1?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Okay, H5N1 is our current one.
		The one in 1918 was H1N1.
		And the thing about it was that this one, the 1918 one, went ripping through the world and suddenly just mutated itself and disappeared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And disappeared.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		And they think that, unfortunately, this one now, H5N1, won't mutate out and disappear.
		That it only has two little point mutations to do to become human to human.
		So that's the problem, is that it's the structure of the flu virus.
		And the 1918 very quickly mutated itself into a non-infectious form and disappeared.
		And they're afraid that this avian flu is not going to do that.
		It's going to be around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's amazing.
		H1N1 mutated in some way that simply meant that humans don't get it anymore.
		What about poultry?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		No, it just disappeared.
		And, you know, they said as fast as it came, it was gone.
		And so until just recently when we got the tissue from Alaska, no one had ever seen the virus or knew anything about its structure.
		Once they got the virus and looked at the genetic structure of this virus, they went, this is different than the virus that we're looking at today.
		All viruses do is that they melt into your cell and then they drop off their genetic message that hijacks a little bit of your DNA and makes your own DNA replicate more virus.
		Exact copies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember the great controversy when they went up north to get those bodies and those samples.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you against that?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I think it's NARPA, the Native American Act about and repatriation of bodies.
		I don't think it was right to go up and do that.
		The biggest problem, I think, is that when they got the virus backed and said, oh, wow, it's an avian flu virus, about six months after that, a German researcher said that they thawed out some frozen chickens that had died from the flu.
		And when they thawed them out, the virus was still alive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I'm going like, oh, my God, they went up and got, that's where they got the live.
		They didn't, the live virus was still inside of these bodies.
		And they were frozen, and that's how they got the virus.
		And now, who else is going to go and try to get some?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alive after all that time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, frozen and happy.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		They just stay, yeah.
		They'll stay frozen.
		And that's what the German researchers said.
		They said, we went, my God, freezing doesn't kill this stuff because the theory was that, you know, you cold your chickens and then maybe you could freeze them right away and it would get rid of the virus.
		Well, it doesn't.
		You know, you have to destroy the chickens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the chances this year of it going human to human are roughly one in three, and that would stand for next year and the year after that as well.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		And while we're waiting for someone to come up with a virus, Or a vaccine, then the vaccine will require 12 times the amount of vaccine that we currently can produce and will have to be available in two shots.
		And we'll only have to order 6 billion doses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		6 billion doses.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's about the population of the world right now.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		It sure is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Dr. Gary C. Reidnauer is my guest.
		When we get back, we're going to go to the phones and allow you all to ask whatever questions you wish.
		This certainly is a frightening scenario.
		The name of the book is Pandemic by Gary C. Reidenauer, M.D. I'm Mark Bell.
		Dr. Gary C. Reidnauer is my guest.
		He's written a book called Pandemic.
		And if you want to know how to get it, there's only one way that I'm aware of right now.
		So get out a pencil and paper because you're going to want to write this down, and you're probably going to have to go to a website.
		So you get ready.
		We'll talk about that when we get back in a moment.
		Okay, doctor.
		Welcome back.
		Let me ask you once again where people go to get a copy of the book.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		It is called in one word, pandemicdirect.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pandemic?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Direct.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Direct.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they can order it right on the website?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Right on the website, yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		We're going to take some, well, one question before we do that.
		Doctor, I've got, let's see, Steve in Clemson, South Carolina wants to know what kind of warning we might expect before the flu actually is imminent where we are.
		I mean, a week to store up stuff?
		Will we have months, days, hours, what?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		It will probably come out of...
		And once we see it going human to human in Indonesia and the word gets out that this virus has mutated and become human friendly, then we can look for, you know, maybe at the max a couple weeks, possibility a lot less because there could be somebody on an airplane right now flying from Indonesia with it.
		I mean, it's just, we travel so much.
		750 million people travel around the world per year.
		So everybody's mobile.
		It's not like 1918.
		So the possibility is the time limit is very short.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you might have a couple of weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You might have a couple of days.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		You might have a couple weeks.
		You might have a couple of days.
		That's exactly right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I guess that says prepare now.
		Okay, here we go.
		East of the Rockies.
		Good morning.
		You're on the air with Dr. Reidenauer.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hi.
		Thanks for another great show.
		My question for the doctor is, I have heard about the medicinal and curative properties of sauerkraut and the enzymes in the sauerkraut.
		I'd heard that it had been actually fed to chickens, infecting chickens in Asia and had cured them of the flu.
		And I wanted to ask the doctor if he had heard of this.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and the sale in sauerkraut in the United States went up about 14% that week.
unidentified		I'm kidding.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		I'm really serious.
		I have read about it.
		I've not seen any follow-up on that at all.
		So I would save the sauerkraut for the bratwurst.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I expected a solid no to that, but you had heard about that, eh?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		I mean, that was a very, very hot one, you know, along with the kimchi.
		But in theory, there may be medicinal things in sauerkraut, but I really would think that I would move on and try something different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we can settle something now.
		I have heard it said that we have never cured a virus.
		Is that true or not?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, basically, our vaccines just prevent the virus from infecting us.
		The Tamaflu and the other neuramidases, the only antineuramidases, all they do is prevent the virus from breaking out and going and contaminating another cell.
		It doesn't kill the virus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it reduces the viral load?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it reduces your viral load so you get better.
		And that's it.
		But even our antiviral medication we got today, one-third of the patients, it has no effect on.
		The virus just ignores it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Let's go west of the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Dr. Reidnauer.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine, Gary.
unidentified		Good, good.
		Thank you for another great show, Art.
		You're amazing.
		Sure.
		Gary, I'm really curious what you do for yourself.
		What do you do for your own personal space, your own diet, your own travel?
		How do you protect yourself?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		You know everything about this.
unidentified		You study it.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Share with us what you're doing for yourself.
		Playing racquetball, trying to stay in shape.
		I'm 59 years old, but I don't really look my standard age.
		Watch my calorie intake, watch my fats.
		I don't take any vitamin supplements at all.
		I have little habits that I've just picked up over the time now, like walking through a store and somebody ahead of me coughs, make sure that I'm not going to be walking through that cough and inhaling it, holding my breath for a second as I walk through.
		Good hand washing.
		That's the most important thing.
		You're handling money and things all the time that God knows where it's coming from.
		So just proper hand washing.
		Lots of times I feel like I'm starting to get something, take a couple of Tylenol and start pushing liquids.
		The average person is mildly dehydrated all the time.
		So when you get sick, you don't feel like drinking fluids.
		So I tell my patients that when they get sick, make sure they pee clear, that their urine is absolutely clear, which means they're hydrated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		And basically that's about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, I take quite a number of international flights between Southeast Asia and the U.S., between Europe and the U.S. And I've sort of come to the conclusion that it's impossible to take these flights without coming down with something fairly serious.
		What would you do on it?
		I've actually thought about wearing a mask on the plane, but then, of course, everybody's going to be looking at you with sort of an eye, like, what does he have?
		So you tend not to do that.
		I mean, what would you do?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it's going to get, I believe it's going to get to the point where people are going to start wearing like the NIOSH N95 masks on these flights.
		When people used to smoke on flights, the plane circulated the air, you know, quickly because they wanted to get the smoke out of the plane and through the filters and things.
		When they stopped people from smoking on the flights, they saved money because they didn't have to run their air circulators as much.
		My goodness.
		Yeah, it was a cost-saving adventure by...
		No, but they circulated it faster.
		And it cost more money to circulate the air.
		So by taking the smokers off the plane, they could cut down on circulating air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		All right.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Dr. Reidauer.
		You're Gary, I guess, in Fresno.
unidentified		Another Gary.
		Yeah.
		Good evening, Nart, Doctor.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		Fellow Parumpian in the past.
unidentified		I lived on deerskin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Right down from your transmitter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Anyway, homeopathic.
		Are there any recommendations you might have?
		Are there any homeopathic, say, I don't know, is that silver is good and pomegranate juice is high in antioxidants?
		And, you know, would those products be of any value or benefit?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of all the stuff that I've read, the homeopathic sector has been relatively quiet about this virus.
		There just hasn't been much out there about anything that could work.
		I know people here in town that make up their own silver, whatever it is, silver solutions and things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you talking about colloidal silver?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Colloidal silver, yeah.
unidentified		That's what I use is colloidal silver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that stuff really work?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if so, what does it really do?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it does anything, but I know one thing, you've got to make sure you don't have any lead in it, because you're going to end up with lead poisoning.
		So you've got to know who your manufacturer is.
		But silver in high concentrations, such as in burn cream or silver nitrate, will stop bacteria from growing.
		I mean, Silvadine is a silver solution that some friends of mine invented, and nothing grows in Silvadine.
		That silver just prevents anything from growing.
unidentified		Not to prolong this, but I have a friend who's diabetic who had an ulcer in his foot, and he started topical applications of colloidal silver, and within a week it was gone.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Same theory.
		The silver does inhibit bacterial growth.
		So he probably was on the right track.
		I do the same thing here with, like I said, with Silvidine on those kind of things because it prevents bacteria from growing.
		And in the old days, like I said, they used silver nitrate, which just got stained everything, but it worked also very good.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Corner.
		Thank you very much, Corner.
		I know you're Gary.
		I should have said that.
		On the international line, good morning.
		You're on the air with Dr. Reidnauer.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		I've almost grown up with this program.
		It's good to be able to talk to you.
		I've got a couple comments and a couple of multiple questions, I guess.
		First, I've looked into this the avian flu due to the fact that I've got young children and as soon as you have kids, you know, everything's amplified and neural mortality becomes a little bit more important as well.
		But it's interesting, the doctor was stating his lineage and his heritage had some grandparents who passed away from, who had bird flu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the 1918 flu, yes.
unidentified		What's interesting with that is the genetic code, as he mentioned earlier, being passed through generations.
		He would also have that coding in his DNA.
		So what would be interesting is in a study group how he would be affected, how his body would mitigate the immune response.
		That would be something that would be quite interesting to look into.
		And secondly, would be we, you know, hand washing absolutely when you're in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait, wait, hold on.
		Let's actually ask about that.
		Would there be anything, doctor, that because your grandparents passed of that would mitigate this flu?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Actually, my mother didn't get it.
		My two uncles did, and of course my grandparents died.
		Probably what you would look at is what's called a, it's called the GM blood typing.
		And other than the ABO system, the GM system can be looked at in the DNA.
		And if you look at the GM system, it'll tell you whether or not you're more likely to have viral infections or survive viral infections or not.
		So that's a pretty sound theory that you're putting forward.
unidentified		All right, Colin.
		And just further with that, you can look at the risks and just common flu hand washing, obviously, and take a breath when somebody coughs or does something around you.
		Looking just through obscure different remedies, what I've been able to find is that avian seems to grow rapidly in the intestine and possible ways of mitigating the cytokine storm or the continuation of the viral growth in the body would be acidophilus.
		Or I came across a DOD Paper where they were looking at mitachi mushrooms as a possible and beta-glucan is another, you know, all these fringe kind of treatments.
		But for example, the DOD, they put some serious money into mitachi mushrooms and certain enzymes, which may possibly mitigate this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I'll hold it there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, had you heard anything at all about any of those as mitigating the no, I haven't heard.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		I always have, I put a lot of things to the my acid test, which is if something, let's say, like mushrooms really work, then some multi-million dollar manufacturer would be making mushroom tablets right now.
unidentified		Sure.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		I mean, because there'd be a buck in it.
		And so, you know, you hear about a lot of things going on right now.
		And I just, I haven't heard anything about the mushroom.
		It's the same thing as this new vaccine that we talked about earlier in the show that you said 12 years.
		Yeah, but they've claimed that they've got a vaccine that may be good.
		They've only used it on 75 people.
		And then there's a big disclaimer that says, don't get all excited about this vaccine.
		So it's just the mendacity of the problem.
		I mean, we hear things and then they disappear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the only thing I've heard you say, medicine-wise, that you would have on hand would be Relenzo or a Tamaflu.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would, and something to keep from inhaling the virus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		That would be about it.
		The other problem is, too, is that a lot of people in 1918 died from secondary bacterial infections, too.
		So having antibiotics would be a good idea, too.
		Our other problem is that a lot of people will probably lose 30 or 40 million people from the very simple fact that they won't be able to get their insulin or their high blood pressure medication or their heart medication.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wild card line one.
		You're on the air with Dr. Reidnauer.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, this is Diane.
		I'm calling from Long Beach, California, and it's my pleasure, Art, to speak to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And Dr. Chu, thank you so much.
		Ironically, almost exactly two years ago, I called in.
		There was a show on chemtrails, and I got through and spoke to George about it.
		And I was wondering back then if there was a correlation with chemtrails and population control and a possible obviously the doctor isn't going to be able to comment on that.
		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's here to comment on the bird flu, the avian flu.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, none of us really understand what the implications of these things crisscrossing our skies would be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, that's kind of out in left field for what we're doing.
unidentified		Well, you know, what's interesting is I did say that on the air a couple years ago.
		And ironically, the following day when I was driving to work, and my husband has even said this to me.
		He said, you know, every time you tell this story, it's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
		But I would like to say this because it's kind of scary even being on the phone and saying it again.
		The next day I was driving to work.
		There was a black SUV following me, and I had said this on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand black SUVs and other things that you might see or imagine.
		But again, it's kind of off-topic for us right now.
		I think it's Margo, is it in California?
unidentified		It is.
		It's an honor art.
		And Michael and Gary.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Mike Goesterham recruited me to go with CDC to help with the team to determine how HIV was passed.
unidentified		I was the number one undercover operative and very successful in that venture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a question for the doctor?
unidentified		I sure do.
		I have lupus.
		I'm on leave of absence.
		It's been 18 years now.
		I have virtually no immune system.
		What do you think, doctor, about my calling Mike?
		And I do have his home number.
		I can call him and offer my services as they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, I believe the doctor would say, Doctor, you can tell me whether this is so or not, that somebody with no immune system or very little immune system would actually be, with what you've told me about this virus, in better shape.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it would be kind of a theoretically, yes.
		Kind of a leap of faith, though, because lupus is such a nasty disease and attacks so many systems that it would be hard to really sort out whether you survived because of all the medication you're on or the virus you didn't melt your lungs because you don't have an immune system anymore.
		Because lupus, usually, that's what lupus does.
		It eats your body.
		It uses your immune system to chew yourself up.
		So it would be an interesting situation, but I think that we're so far away from that right now.
		We're just kind of theoretical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I suppose once there was a pandemic underway, people, of course, would try everything under the sun, kinds of things you're hearing about this morning, as people call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And without a doubt, I suppose some of them would be found to help out, wouldn't you think?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		There's a possibility, sure.
		I mean, when Halley's Comet came back in the 1800s, they sold comet pills.
		So people would take pills to protect them from the comet dust.
		So, you know, anything's possible.
		And if we try enough stuff, you may find something that actually will work for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Comet pills.
		The first time I heard about that.
		All right, Dr. Sit-Tight.
		Again, the book is Pandemic by Dr. Gary C. Reidnauer.
		And you can get it on the web at pandemicdirect.com.
		PandemicDirect.com.
		All right, we've got one more segment coming up, and indeed, this is scary stuff.
		I'm R. Bell.
		Dr. Gary Reidnauer is my guest.
		He's talking about the bird flu, the avian flu, but he's not the only one.
		And if the Conservative Center for Disease Control has called it the greatest threat to mankind in the history of the world, then I guess you ought to pay attention to, eh?
		In a moment, we'll get back to the doctor and your questions.
		I'd like to add that it's been my pleasure to host for you four days.
		This week has been just an absolute blast.
		This one a little scary.
		Dr. Gary Reidnauer is my guest, and we're going to go back to phone lines right now to specifically Ray in Gainesville, Florida.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, on this high radio station.
		Good morning, Art and Gary.
		Hi.
		What is the difference between a pandemic and an epidemic?
		And two more questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One at a time.
		One at a time.
		Go ahead, Doctor.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Okay, an epidemic is more localized, okay?
		Like, let's say it's, we'll make it simple, it's inside of a country, okay?
		Or it may be just contained in a town or something like that.
		A pandemic is something where the infection is through the entire world, okay?
		Everyone's been hit by it.
unidentified		And that's the big difference.
unidentified		Could the Illuminati be using this as a means of reducing the population to 500 million, as supposedly supposed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's asking about conspiracy theories and people who might be doing this intentionally, Doctor?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, the problem is right now is that, you know, we talked about Ebola before, and both the United States and Russia tried to use Ebola as a bioweapon, and it didn't work out because of the high death rate.
		I'm sure that somebody somewhere is looking at the avian flu as a possible weapon also.
		The problem is with when you use a weapon like this, it's really dumb to use it if you don't have some way of treating yourself because you kill yourself too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		You know, mutual assured destruction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To Tony in Wisconsin, you're on the air with Dr. Rednauer.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hey, dear.
		Loverdart.
		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just great, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Hi, Dr. Rednauer.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
unidentified		Good.
unidentified		Thank you for bringing this program to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a question?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
		I keep chickens.
		How is it going to affect me?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Right now, the chickens, the only infected chickens are in Virginia and West Virginia.
		I would say that, you know, at this point, you stay in contact with your county health people and find out if they're picking up any positive cases in your area.
		If they start picking up positive birds with the bird flu, then I'd strongly suggest getting rid of the chickens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. When we hear about countries destroying millions of birds, are they overreacting or is that just about right?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		No, it's just, I mean, you just got to take every one of them out.
		You know, there are places where they just went in with flamethrowers and just cooked everything and then saturated all the ground with a Cloro solution so that they would make sure that even the droppings from the chickens were contaminated.
		And a lot of places have plans not to reuse those areas for years until they're sure that all the virus is gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if that's the reaction when the poultry has it, I wonder how much less it'll be when the humans have it.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		That will be a problem, too, is that, you know, you may, you know, see sick people.
		During the plague, families actually dragged their sick and dying relatives out into the street and left them.
		Okay, rather than have them, because they were afraid they were going to get it, so they dragged them out in the street and left them out in the street to be picked up after they died.
		So these, you know, it's very predictable that, you know, it will be just anarchy when this does start to really get going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Reid now.
unidentified		Howie?
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, hey, Art and Dr. Gary.
		How are you?
		Good, how are you?
		I'm real sick.
		I'm a Vietnam veteran.
		I don't know if you're aware of this, but there's 26 million vets.
		10% of the vets have hepatitis C. And of the 10%, that's 2.6 million.
		70% are Vietnam vets, and the age range most affected is 50 to 59.
		And it's the leading cause of a liver transplant.
		And for the last 11 years, I've woken up every day like with the flu and a hangover.
		And I guess the next step is going to be a liver transplant.
		And that doesn't really look appealing.
		And, you know, the AGE people are trying to keep hepatitis C as a STD where it's really not.
		And they're trying to take the funding away.
		And there's been no effort.
		Hepatitis C became hepatitis C in 1960.
		Okay, sir, do you have a question about bird flu?
		Yeah, as a matter of fact, I'm curious because I just saw something where the hepatitis C virus becomes the dominant virus in the body.
		If another virus comes in, it takes it over.
		Is that true?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are two different viruses.
		The Hep C virus is predominantly in the liver.
		This virus, well, let's just make a comparison.
		If you're HIV positive or you actually have AIDS and you get Hep C, you're going to die because your immune system is so low that the Hep C is going to take over and just wipe you out.
		So if you've got Hep C right now and you would pick up the bird flu, I would think that that would just really shorten your lifespan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, Brian in Illinois.
unidentified		Hello, how you got going?
		Okay.
		I just wanted to ask real quick: we're talking about viruses here, and the doc had mentioned earlier about AIDS and how it's only transmitted at high temperatures, that being like 98.6.
		And I'm just wondering.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I think that was Bird.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		No, it was AIDS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that was AIDS.
unidentified		And I'm just wondering, how does that work then with like frozen blood and needles, obviously, amongst drug users, aren't kept at that high of a temperature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a good point.
		And I'm not sure how to answer that one, that we do, drug users, sometimes the virus is actually in the needle and they'll inject and hand the needle to someone else who will draw something in, into the needle, and then inject themselves.
		And there's not too much of a temperature drop with it.
		Today, our blood is pretty well screened and everything.
		And I think, I'm not sure if freezing, I'm pretty sure freezing does kill it.
		And a lot of our cases at the very beginning were confusing because people were actually living a double life and would come up HIV positive and then claim it was from a blood transfusion when it actually wasn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		So it's kind of a smoky one.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry I couldn't give you a very good answer on that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Actually, that is a good answer, and there was a lot of that going on.
		Wildcard line one, you're on the air with Dr. Reidauer.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Dr. Reitenauer, you're very well researched, and I agree with your facts, but I have a question.
		We did not have viruses on planet Earth prior to the earliest vaccine research, and that research was done for bacterial diseases.
		Are you aware that the bird flu is the same in one way, the origin, as the Spanish flu, in that the Spanish flu came about from the polluted vaccines given to the World War I soldiers worldwide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you're blaming these various viruses on vaccines.
		You're saying there weren't any viruses until we had vaccines.
		Is that about right?
unidentified		Exactly, because the vaccines, the earliest, Edward Jenner with smallpox and all of those, they were looking at bacterial infections.
		Look at all the old diseases.
		Name one that was a virus.
		There are none.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Ashley, viruses were here before we were.
		They found virus remnants in fossils that go back 300, 400 million years.
		I know there's a lot of conspiracy theories about the vaccinations and the rise of all kinds of other problems and things.
		I looked very carefully, and in 1917 in Kansas, there were reports of chickens coming down with something they call Rule, R-U-U-L, I believe it was.
		And that was the early sick chickens with the bird flu.
		And then they continued, then they went on to pass it on to human beings.
		So I really can't blame a vaccination for a virus that's been here before we've been here and will probably be here after we're all gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well put.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildguardline 2, you're on the air with Dr. Reidnauer.
unidentified		Hi.
		Oh, thank you.
		Heart, real pleasure hearing you out there again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Doctor, this could be a real crazy question, but I'm 56, heavy smoker since I was 19.
unidentified		I get very few respiratory viral type illnesses, and I'm wondering, does the virus have a hard time penetrating tar nicotine?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		That was an interesting situation.
		In England, to prevent the virus, they promoted heavy cigarette smoking in the factories.
		I mean, I swear to God, this is the truth, because they thought that might be a way to prevent it.
		Probably what's really going on with you is, once again, you may have in this GM blood type, you may have a blood type that is not very susceptible to viral infections.
		So that's it.
		I can't tell you if, I mean, I can tell you for sure it's not the tar and nicotine that's saving you right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I tell you, not since I've quit smoking.
		I'm 46 years smoker.
		I've been away from them for a month now, and I've never heard so many positive things about tar and nicotine my whole life.
		Wildcard line three.
		New York City.
unidentified		Hey, good morning, gentlemen.
		Thank you for an interesting show.
		I wanted to give you a little information from the holistic realm.
		You said you weren't aware of what was really going on there.
		Have you heard of sambu call?
		That's the generic term for basically an elderberry extract.
		It's been tested.
		There's a proprietary university in Israel that has done a lot of testing with it.
		And it's been effective against killing the avian flu in cultures.
		And it's widely well known for being great against respiratory illnesses.
		So that's something to explore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's interesting.
		I like elderberry wine.
		I haven't heard from that, and I will make it right after I get off the air here, get on the net and take a look at that.
		And I appreciate the update on that.
		And I'd also like to thank the lady that sent me the email that said that I am full of crap.
		She must know my wife.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eaves to the Rockies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air with Dr. Reidnauer.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would be Keith in Maine.
unidentified		Yeah, hi.
		This is Keith.
		I was wondering if aquarium antibiotics would be safe to use in an emergency.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Is that an antibiotic?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, no, let me carry on.
		Caller, hold on a second.
		You can go to a pet store, for example.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you can go And buy amoxicillin, which is intended for fish.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I think he's asking if that amoxicillin would be safe for a human to take.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		I would, you know, first off, you've got to get the dosage right.
		You know, amoxicillin for an adult would be about 500 milligrams three times a day.
		I have patients here that shoot their kids up with, you know, with cow penicillin and things also.
		I would tend to say that, you know, the quality and the care put into it is not going to be as good as something that's been passed and approved by the FDA.
		So it'd be a little shaky.
		You may not know what you're getting in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They sell it in 250, 500 milligram capsules.
unidentified		Am I still on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Intended for fish.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you're on.
unidentified		I was thinking my theory on it would be that the fish would be like a delicate thing like the canary in the mine.
		It doesn't take much to kill the fish.
		You can kill the whole tank real easy and they might be safe is what I was getting at.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, an antibiotic, the thing about an antibiotic is that an antibiotic goes into your system, and what it does is that it causes the bacteria, it kind of screws with the wall of the bacteria and allows the immune system to eat the bacteria.
		Antibiotics don't kill bacteria.
		Your immune system does.
		So if you have no immune system, antibiotics won't work at all.
		But I think that I try to stay away from the aquarium brand, and you can probably get your doctor to load you up on some pretty cheap.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Tom in Dallas, Texas, you're on the air with Dr. Reitney.
unidentified		Yes, I'd like to ask Doctor if this could be the logical end conclusion of microbial husbandry.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Let's define that a little bit more about microbial husbandry.
unidentified		Do you know what animal husbandry is?
		Oh, yeah.
		Breeding to a higher state.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Eliminating the weak, let the strong survive.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's no doubt that what we're looking at here is an event that will definitely level the playing field and thin the herd out.
		There's no doubt about that.
		Is it because of something that we have done?
		It may be.
		It may be because of the way we raise chickens today.
		We jam them all together and it's very easy for them to contaminate each other.
		But as far as any manipulation that we've done, I think this is just something that just arose on its own.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Doctor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, it'd be Mitch in Oregon.
unidentified		Yeah, hi.
		Doctor, the upcoming Olympics in China, the athletes' possible exposure.
		Now, would that increase the likelihood of a pandemic A?
		And B, what is China saying about that, or are they ignoring it?
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll take my answer off the air.
unidentified		You guys have a good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You too.
unidentified		Okay.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, China's really having a lot of problems.
		You know, one, having a lot of people coming into their country as tourists doesn't make them very happy.
		And having the bird flu there is also a great concern also.
		And you're right, that could be a possible starting place of the pandemic, you know, that it'll get picked up by tourists and brought out of the country.
		That's a good possibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would be bad timing, that's for sure.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Oh, horrible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Horrible, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very quickly, Dean in Oregon, you're on the air with Dr. Reidnauer.
unidentified		Hi, thanks for taking my call.
		Sure.
		I kind of have a two-part question, actually.
		Is this something that's going to basically spread from bird to bird and then an individual person will catch it from a bird, or is it going to break out into the human population and then we'll catch it from each other?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
		Most of our cases right now is people have come in contact with a sick bird and then have got the virus and died.
		In fact, most of them have died.
		Our problem is going to be is that somebody may come in contact with the bird with the mutation of going that'll go human to human and that person will walk away from that bird and get sick and then it'll start spreading to other humans and away it goes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How good a chance is there, once this mutation that makes human to human transmission possible, how much of a chance is there that we can stop it like that, quarantine it, whatever we have to do to stop it cold and not let it spread?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Well, the problem is that the reservoir is so big, you know, it'll go into birds.
		In Germany, they've said that dogs may even be carriers and cats.
		Crocodiles died in Vietnam from it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Meaning, Doctor, they could carry the human-to-human variant?
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they may be capable of carrying the variant also.
		So quarantine and stopping it dead is just going to be probably an impossibility because, like I said, the mass is so huge that it'll find a way.
		Nature always finds a way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, and the clock keeps ticking.
		We're out of time.
		Doctor, it has been such a pleasure having you on air, even with such a scary topic.
		The book is Pandemic.
		It's available on the web at pandemicdirect.com.
		That's pandemicdirect.com.
		Doctor, thank you for being here.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		I had a good time.
dr gary ridenour ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, my friend.
		And a good time.
		Well, I guess so.
		Pretty rough stuff, but knowledge surely is better than walking in the dark.
		Right?
		It's been a pleasure.
		I'm Art Bell.

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