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Jan. 4, 2008 - Art Bell
02:35:30
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Avian Flu Pandemic - Dr. Gary Ridenour
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From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the cosmos and all the time zones around the world, each and every one, covered by this program, Coast to Coast AM.
I'm Art Bell, filling in for George Norrie, who will be back next week to once again grace the airwaves.
Boy, I've got a lot of news for you tonight and next hour, and I want to warn you right now, and this is a warning.
We've got a well-respected doctor, Dr. Gary C. Ridenour, MD, who has studied the bird flu.
And he's gonna scare the hell out of you.
He certainly scared the hell out of me.
He sent me a copy of his book.
And I read it.
And I called him right away.
And that's how he's on tonight.
So that'll be in the next hour.
I've been waiting years to say this to you, and what an honor it is to be able to bring you the news tonight.
Solar... attention to ham operators!
Solar physicists have been waiting for the appearance of a reversed polarity sunspot to signal the beginning of the next solar cycle.
What I'm reading is from Space News.
The wait's over!
A magnetically reversed high-latitude sunspot emerged today, marking the beginning of Solar Cycle 24, and the first step toward a new solar maximum.
Intense solar activity is not going to begin right now.
Solar cycles usually take a few years to build from solar minimum, but it is pretty quick.
That is to say, where we are now, to Solar Max, expected in 2011 or 2012, albeit a slow journey, but we're on our way.
So once again, Solar Cycle 24 officially beginning today, January 4th.
Now, Fox News sucks.
That's what I think.
You know, this is just ridiculous.
Ron Paul, a man I've interviewed many times, got more of a percentage by a lot than Rudy Giuliani.
But Fox News won't let him in the debate.
What the hell are they afraid of?
Or what are... I mean, I hope if they've got sponsors, I hope they drop.
It's just not right.
What are they afraid of?
Ron Paul is a fascinating man with fascinating ideas.
He's got every right to be heard.
He's earned the right to be heard.
He's made more money than a lot of them.
And he's got more percentage of interest from voters than a lot of them.
So what can possibly be the reason To keep Ron Paul out.
Come on, Fox.
Fair and balanced?
Oh, isn't that what you say?
Fair and balanced?
Is that really what you want people to think, that you're fair and balanced?
Nothing fair, nothing balanced about keeping Ron Paul out.
So, you know, what I would say to all of you, whether you're a Ron Paul supporter or not, Send them an email.
Tell them what you think.
Are they afraid that new ideas might be heard?
Are they afraid the American people might wake up?
Are they afraid that some of the other Republican candidates might suffer a deficit because Ron Paul says something the American people want to hear?
Come on, Fox.
Anyway, in other political news, Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama drew two distinct paths to the White House for raucous New Hampshire Democrat Party activists Friday night.
She's tested, she says, and ready to stand aground against Republicans.
Why?
Well, he's prepared to build a new majority that'll put Democrats into power.
The two messages, delivered just a day after the Iowa caucuses that gave Obama a victory and Clinton a stunning third place finish, Received boisterous receptions at the state party's annual fundraising dinner.
They also featured the contrasting visions that candidates have, not only for political success, but for governing as well.
Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich filed a complaint with the FCC on Friday, after ABC News excluded him.
Fellow Democrat Mike Revelle and Republican Duncan Hunter from its primetime debates on Saturday.
Sinitch argues ABC is violating equal time provisions by keeping him out of the debate.
Noted that ABC's parent, Walt Disney Company, had contributed to campaigns involving the four Democrats who were invited.
Big trouble in California.
In fact, I had them call my guest to be sure he had power.
About a million don't.
Howling winds.
Pelting rain.
Heavy snow.
Pummeled California on Friday.
Brought down trees.
Flipped big rigs.
Cut power to more than a million people.
Brought down a lot of ham antennas, I'm sure.
Forcing evacuations in mudslide prone areas.
Flights were grounded.
Highways closed in Northern California.
Gusts got up to 80 miles an hour.
During the second wave of an arctic storm that sent trees crashing into houses, cars and roads, forecasts expect the storm to dump as much as 10 feet of snow in the Sierra Nevada by Sunday.
It's all coming this way right now.
Well, Al-Qaeda is now beginning to use women as suicide bombers.
Maybe they're running out of men.
Certainly, they're increasingly desperate.
So, while Muslims generally have women in a second-class sort of place, they're right out there out front with the bombs.
White House, Bush administration considering some sort of economic stimulus package in face of rising unemployment, deterioration in the economy, and all the rest of it.
That means tax cuts.
Haven't decided yet for sure, but if he's going to do it, State of the Union address coming up January 28th would be the time to announce it.
Britney Spears, if anybody cares, has lost custody of her children.
Even visitation now?
I don't know, I'm sick of that story.
Anyway, listen, we're going to go to unscreened, open line calls here in a moment.
I want to get out my email address.
If you'd like to email me for whatever reason, I'm Art Bell at AOL.com or better yet, Artbell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L at MindSpring, M-I-N-D, S-P-R-I-N-G, MindSpring.com.
That's A-R-T-B-E-L-L, all lowercase, at MindSpring.com.
If you are west of the Rockies and would like a moment on the air,
you can call 1-800-618-8255.
East of the Rockies, 1-800-8255.
First time callers, area code 818-501-4721.
Wildcard lines, we've got a bunch of those.
Area code 818-501-4109.
4109.
International line 800-893-0903 from anywhere else in the world.
We've got a bunch of those.
Area code 8185014109, 4109, International Line 800-893-0903 from anywhere else in the
world.
Remember, when you get a ring, just let it ring because no screener is going to pick
up.
Bye.
I'll pick up.
And when I do, you've got to turn your radio off immediately.
All that in mind, we'll be back in a moment with some more news.
With respect to what I said about Ron Paul, it's only fair to note I am a registered libertarian, have been for a long time.
But that doesn't change anything.
I've said that no matter what.
Maybe I said it with a little more enthusiasm.
But it's wrong to keep them out.
Astronomers are puzzling hard over a powerful cosmic explosion that appears to have detonated in a region of empty space, very far away from any nearby galaxy.
Well, it might have been the death cry of a star that was born from debris strewn out of a past elastic dust-up.
Six spacecraft around Earth and Mars detected a powerful volley of gamma rays that lasted about a minute on 25 January 2007.
Such explosions, called long gamma ray bursts, are thought to be caused by massive stars exploding and their cores collapsing into black holes.
But this one came from an area where there was virtually nothing.
How can that be?
As carbon dioxide levels rise on Earth, oxygen levels fall, since we all breathe oxygen.
How will this affect us?
Will the Earth end up as a lush jungle of CO2-breathing plants, no humans or animal life around at all?
On the SciTech website, Mike Johnston reports that a 20-year study by the Scripps Institute is showing that carbon dioxide produced Primarily by burning fossil fuels accumulates in the atmosphere.
Available oxygen is decreasing.
We're losing three oxygen molecules in our atmosphere for each carbon dioxide molecule produced.
Three for one.
I want to think about that.
Toshiba.
Toshiba has developed a new class of micro-sized nuclear reactors that are designed to power individual apartment buildings or city blocks.
The new reactor, which is only 20 feet by 6 feet, could change everything for a small remote community, small businesses, or even a group of neighbors who are simply fed up with power companies and want more control over their own energy needs.
Listen to this.
The 200-kilowatt Toshiba-designed reactor is engineered to be fail-safe, totally automatic, won't overheat.
Unlike traditional nuclear reactors, the new micro-reactor uses no control rods to initiate the reaction.
The new revolutionary technology uses reservoirs of liquid lithium-6.
That's an isotope that is effective at absorbing neutrons.
The lithium-6 reservoirs are connected to a vertical tube that fits down into the reactor core.
The whole process is self-sustaining and can last up to 40 years, producing electricity for about 5 cents per kilowatt hour, about half the cost of grid energy.
Toshiba is saying they expect to install the first reactor in Japan You know, I thought they had released all the UFO files in Britain, but lo and behold, the British government is soon to release previously classified details regarding hundreds of reported sightings of UFOs.
The Sunday Telegraph said, on Sunday, not surprisingly, that this upcoming spring, the Defense Ministry is going to release to the general public about 160 files that allege UFO sightings.
Nothing shocking, I guess they say, but very, very, very interesting.
Good reason to have Nick Pope on again, I'm sure.
All right, to the phones we go, west of the Rockies.
Top of the morning, you're on the air.
Yes, hello, is this Art?
It is.
Hey Art, this is James from Montana.
Hi James!
About Ron Paul... Yes?
Well, first of all, condolences to you from Ramona.
Thank you.
And congratulations for your new family.
Thank you.
We're very close to the anniversary, January 5th, of Ramona's passing two years ago.
Anyway, go ahead.
Yes, Ron Paul.
Could all of us who back Ron Paul, if he makes it And doesn't drop out to the election.
Could we write him in?
Yeah, you can write in candidates, of course.
But, you know, this has got to be turned around.
I mean, Fox just can't be allowed to get away with this.
Yeah, that's not right.
It isn't right.
He's got a lot more money than a lot of them now.
Oh, yeah.
And he's got higher percentage points.
I mean, he wamped Giuliani.
Yeah, I know.
So, it's just not right.
Should be something we can do about that.
I don't know.
Well, I can only imagine that somebody's afraid that he might have some fresh idea that the American people decide they're interested in.
I mean, look what happened in Iowa.
Yeah, exactly.
Surprised everybody.
Why?
New ideas.
Yep.
Well, and that too, plus he's a constitutionalist.
Oh yeah.
You know, it's just gotta change.
I'm sure that Fox doesn't want their fair and balanced slogan turned upside down on its ear and stomped on, right?
I know, I know.
Anyway, thanks Art.
Yeah, thank you very much for the call sir, and have a great morning.
You too.
Alright, on to East of the Rockies.
You're on the air, good morning.
Hi, um, I might have the wrong number.
Really?
Yeah.
Well, what are you calling?
Oh, I was trying to call a pizza place down the road here, but if I'm on the air there, I got the wrong number.
Okay, well then, good luck.
Get anchovies.
They're great.
Alright.
Alright, see ya.
Bye.
I don't think it was really a wrong number.
International Line?
No, wrong.
Wrong.
Let me do this again.
I'm getting it.
We have a new piece of software for, you know, putting people on the air, and it's a little confusing.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Going once, going twice, gone.
Wildcard Line 4, you're on the air.
Hello?
Hello.
Hi.
Yeah, this is Phil from Florida.
Hi, Phil.
Hey, um, Art, first of all, buddy, you are the best, man.
We miss you.
Uh, Ron Paul, he's too liberal for Fox.
He's anti-war, so they don't want to give him any, uh, they don't want to give him any airtime.
Yeah, but it's not the point.
Oh, I know.
I know.
It's not right, but I think that's the main reason, uh, you know, they're very conservative there.
Uh, the other thing is I have it on good authority that, uh, Edna is, uh, working in a strip bar in Vegas doing favors in the back.
And also, you talked about the environment, weather change here, just another thing real quick.
29 degrees the other morning here in Florida.
I work overnights on part of your... Yeah, I heard there was a frost, but it didn't really damage any crops, apparently.
No, it didn't hold for a long time, but it really got down there.
World changing.
Well, I'll let you go.
29 degrees in Florida.
All right, thank you very much for the call.
And a, uh, I guess a guess about, uh, about Edna.
Wildcard Line 1, you're on the air.
Hello, Wildcard Line 1.
Going once, going twice, going three times, gone like the wind.
Wildcard Line 2, you're on the air.
Hey, Art, Tim from LA.
Hey, Tim.
Hey, I got a question.
Actually, two questions, if it's okay.
Sure.
Okay, my first question is, are you calling for a boycott against Fox until they straighten this out?
No, I don't think I did that.
But if people want to boycott, I don't care what people do.
I mean, if they're angry, you know, whatever.
Okay, okay.
I was just wondering because if Coast listeners boycott Fox, Fox will panic, honestly.
You know, I've never been big on boycotts.
You know, I just write them an email and say, you guys suck.
Okay, my second question is, you know, when Dr. Ridenour calls in or when he comes on the next hour... Dr. Ridenour, by the way.
Ridenour, yes, thank you.
Can you ask him about the kimchi theory or... The kimchi cure?
Kimchi cure, yes.
I'll ask him, but I don't think there's anything to that.
I don't know, but it was in AP, and you brought it up, and it was on Coase, and it seemed really interesting.
I'll try to remember to ask.
Yes, sir.
Okay.
Thank you very much, Art.
All right.
Take care.
And I'm going to actually have him start with what a virus is.
You know, go right down to the basics.
Spend just a very few moments on that so that Even those who are not medically inclined will be able to sort of follow along as we discuss this and you'll better understand why this is so incredibly scary.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello, I wanted to say thank you so much for bringing up Ron Paul and talking about that.
That's a huge shock to me because I've been waiting for anybody to mention anything about Fox News and nobody has.
Well, yeah, now I have.
Thank you very much for that and it makes me wonder who owns Fox Network or who's got the strings that are telling them what to say and what to do and because I mean that's not fair and balanced at all.
Well here's the thing, in previous years When we had the debates, you know, Ron Paul's been excluded before, and there may have been, you know, he may not have had enough interest, enough whatever, and so they could use that as an excuse to exclude him.
But, baby, there's nothing like that right now.
There's no reason, in fact there's every reason to be inclusive of Ron Paul.
I think it's funny, and they shot themselves in the foot, and it's just going to draw more people's attention to the truth.
Well, it's certainly going to cause a big problem with their slogan.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Big, big problem.
Unfair and unbalanced and all kinds of stuff.
How can they keep him out?
I honestly, honest to God, I think it has something to do with the fact that he's got some revolutionary ideas, some things that would cause perhaps the other candidates to be a little bit uncomfortable if they had to respond to it, that sort of thing.
Don't we need a little bit of that in America?
From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
I'm warning you, the guest at the top of the hour is going to scare the hell out of you.
Let me read you the letter that he wrote me, sent it here to the house, along with his book.
Dear Mr. Bell, been a fan of your show for years, was on Coast to Coast about a year ago.
My subject was a coming avian flu pandemic.
It'll be here soon, and no one is prepared.
I was with a team from the University of Arizona to go to Vietnam with a novel drug to use on the early flu victims.
Unfortunately, three days before we were to leave, their government dropped off the radar screen for a month.
When they reappeared, they said everything was fine here.
There, rather.
The virus is now in 90 countries and has mutated human to human in two countries.
300 million people to 1 billion people will die in the first year.
The infrastructure will wink on and off for 12 to 18 months.
80% of our medications come from other countries and will not arrive.
The virus kills 60% of the people from ages 20 to 40.
of the people from ages 20 to 40. That's 60 percent.
President Bush has signed agreements with the UN.
to allow them to militarize the U.S.
and run it.
I've written my book.
It's enclosed.
Because of its unique way of approaching what will happen and how to think about survival, I think it needs a little more coverage.
Gary C. Ridenour, M.D.
Picked up the phone right away and called him.
He'll be here at the top of the hour.
If you can't stand bad news, you'll want to tune out.
More open line calls in a moment.
Okay, Wild Card Line 4, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hey Art.
Hey.
Let me cut my radio down.
Oh yes, right away please.
Okay, I'm back.
Okay.
Yeah, I listen to you on 970 KSYL out of Alexandria, Louisiana.
My name is Cornelius.
Yes.
I'm just glad to hear you back on the radio and today's my birthday, so I'm glad to hear you back, Art.
Happy birthday.
Anything else?
Well, I love, like I said, UFOs and stuff.
I see you going into a little bit different direction tonight.
A little bit different.
Nevertheless, very, very important.
Thank you very much for the call.
Have a good birthday.
What's left of it?
20 minutes or something.
All right.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
Going once, going twice.
Gone like the wind.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hey Art, how you doing?
I'm doing okay.
You're on a cell phone in a car, truck or something.
Yes, that's correct.
Okay.
You're traveling westbound on I-10.
Listen on Ron Paul.
I know it's Rupert Murdoch owns Fox.
And if I'm not mistaken, he's part of the Bilderberg Group, and I'm thinking that would have something to do because Ron Paul would just stir up too much trouble.
Well, I kind of think the same thing, that there would be too much trouble.
In other words, some of Ron Paul's ideas are so radical and so interesting and so cool that the other candidates would have no idea how to respond to it.
Exactly.
And he's probably one of the most honest people we have out there.
I'm just so tired of all this cookie-cutter politician types.
You know, it's the same thing over and over again and then you finally get somebody and I can't believe they will never even mention his name.
And listen, thank you very much.
It's very rare that you would see that you would see politics over ratings.
Now, what do I mean by that?
Well, you see, having Ron Paul as part of the debate would be really an incredibly interesting thing, and that would equal ratings.
So, we have a very rare situation.
Normally, ratings rule, right?
No matter what, ratings equal money, and that rules.
What could trump that?
Well, I guess politics.
That would be my guess anyway.
Wild Card Line 3, you're on the air.
Yes, Art Bell, how are you?
Very well, sir.
This is Steve from South Carolina.
Yes, sir.
I was just wondering, when are you going to come back to work, Art?
Look, I don't know how to answer that question.
I'm spending time with my family.
You know, I did this for a couple of decades straight, and so I'm kind of in a, you know, I'm in a break here.
Well, I can understand that, but this is kind of your baby, and I feel the way these two new guys are taking the show, it's not where you intended it to go.
Okay, alright, here's the thing.
Whether it's George, or Ian, or whoever it is, Raleigh, you know, these people should take the program where they want to.
And then, ratings will determine if they've taken it to a good place or a bad place.
And if they've taken it to a bad place, probably they'll be gone.
Why?
Because ratings rule!
A little speech I was giving a little while ago.
It's always a very, very poor idea to come on the radio and try and copy anybody because it never works.
So I wouldn't want somebody to come on and copy me.
Let them do their own thing.
And if it goes to a good place, the ratings are good, people make money, the world The premier is happy.
Otherwise, something else happens.
So, you know, in all instances, I used to say, ratings rule.
I guess I just gave the exception to that.
So, time will tell.
But I appreciate the call.
Wild Card Line 4, you're on the air.
Good morning, Art.
Good morning.
Good to hear you tonight.
My name is Dave.
I'm calling from the Midwest.
Hello, Dave.
Of course, Barack Obama is our Illinois Senator here.
I don't know what to think.
Personally, I like Ron Paul.
We're all talking about Ron Paul right now.
I'm going to vote for Ron Paul in the Republican primary.
Well, I think Barack is damned interesting.
You know, on the left side, he's very interesting.
Who would think that Barack Obama could win in white Iowa?
It doesn't get much whiter than Iowa.
So, you know what?
If he can win in Iowa, then when it goes on to the southern states, people are going to, I think, jump on board.
That's quite possible.
I think he does have a large support.
I mean, he's a populist, apparently.
But, you know, he talks about change a lot.
You know, that he's going to bring about change.
Well, the real change, I think, if we had Ron Paul in there, he'd really clean house.
I mean, that's what they're scared of, you know.
One other thing, real quick, Art, I wanted to mention.
Yesterday on Thursday, here in the Midwest, just like near St.
Louis, was the worst day I've ever seen for chemtrails.
They were out from morning until dark, just crisscrossed back and forth all day long.
The sky was just covered with them.
Crazy.
I would like to know what they're trying to do with chemtrails.
Is it an attempt at climate modification?
Is it an attempt at mass inoculation of some sort?
In other words, what do you think they're doing?
Well, I think it probably does have something to do with climate change, with what they think they're doing probably is combating global warming.
I tend to agree with the people who believe global warming is not caused by what we're doing, but by the sun, by undersea volcanoes, perhaps, and things like that.
I mean, we're definitely undergoing some warming, but I don't think the government should be up there, you know, putting all these chemicals in the air.
I mean, what happened yesterday, it turned the entire sky by late afternoon, was nothing but a white haze over the entire, from one, you know, into the other.
Uh, but it was just constant.
Day, all day long.
You could just, if anybody would look up, they would just see them, you know, criss-crossing X's, giant plus signs, and they would just, oh, yeah.
Yeah, I know, I know, sir.
I've seen it here in the desert.
You take a crystal clear day, here in the desert we have low humidity, and so generally, for the most part, you have beautiful, dark, blue skies.
You can see forever.
And then some number of years ago, we began to get these, um, I like the better name, chemtrails.
And sure enough, it would slowly take what was a clear day and turn it into a, an icky day.
Icky, is icky a word?
Into an icky day, you know, kind of a haze covering what should be a blue sky.
And I don't remember as a child that contrails ever did that sort of thing.
They were there for a while and just sort of disappeared and went away.
That's not what we have in our skies now.
Remember?
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Oh, great.
Yes, great indeed.
More on our taking off from what we've been talking about, Ron Paul and ideas.
Yes.
Just ideas.
Recently in Time Magazine, I read yet again, another man found something to do in a foreign country, so to speak, found his calling, and is able to go all out to help these people.
What are you talking about, sir?
Excuse me?
What are you talking about?
Exactly this.
The reason why it's not just ideas that somebody doesn't want us to hear, it's also actions.
Because whenever anybody wants to do something for mankind or his fellow man, we always hear them over doing something over a foreign country.
And why is that?
Because they won't let you do anything here.
Alright, alright.
Your message is now clear.
Like Ponds and Fleshman, for example.
Cold fusion.
Couldn't get it done here, went to Europe.
So, that sort of thing does occur.
A lot of scientific research that for one reason or another can't be done here is done there.
Wasn't always the case in America.
We used to be leaders in nearly everything!
But a lot of it, including ideas, now has to go elsewhere.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hello, Art.
This is Tommy from Seattle, KBI 570.
Yes, sir.
I want to wish you and yours a long life and all the happiness you can stand.
Thank you.
Now, to my point, during one of the 30 or more visitations from these great guys that have been coming around to see me, I had the opportunity to ask them, what were crop circles?
And they said it's religious graffiti from one of the other alien races.
Religious graffiti?
Yes, yes.
The light is the way, God is great, kindness is true and all that stuff.
Did they happen to mention how to decipher them so we could see for ourselves?
The challenge of it was for us to find it ourselves.
Well, you should have asked the key.
Well, I only get about a minute and a half with them before they go because they know the government's keeping an eye on things.
Alright, so the Grays think that it's religious graffiti from one of the other groups.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air, hello.
Hi, this is Dale, I'm calling from Lake of Nebraska, listening to all 40 of KFOR, excuse me.
K-F-A-R, you mean?
K-F-O-R.
K-F-O-R, okay.
Yeah, 1240 here in Lincoln, Nebraska.
Oh, okay.
Hey, about Ron Paul.
You know, I'm not a Ron Paul supporter, but I listened to what he had to say, and I think the man has the message that the American public needs to hear.
But, you know, with this thing with Fox, it just kind of brings forth something I remember seeing on the net a long, long time ago, and he said that Russia has probed that.
And the U.S.
shadow government has Fox News.
Look, Fox News is leaning toward the conservative side.
CNN's leading toward the liberal side.
That's all cool.
But, you know, in terms of locking somebody out of a debate, that's not cool at all.
That's not fair.
It's not balanced.
And it's going to bite them in the butt.
I agree with you 100 percent.
And congratulations on Asia Bell.
We miss you.
Thank you, my friend, and have a good night.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi.
How are you?
Just fine, sir.
Oh, this is Art.
It is.
Turn your radio all the way off, please.
I thought somebody else would pick up, but it's me.
No, no, no, no.
I just want to say hello to the world.
And I just want to say this.
My dad was in a wreck with an 18-wheeler who was riding down the highway, and my dad was on interstate, and he was in stopped traffic.
And I don't know what the 18-wheeler guy was thinking or what he was doing, but he plowed into my dad.
My dad hit five other cars that were on interstate, and my dad can't walk anymore.
I'm so sorry.
So if truckers out there could just really please be careful.
My second thing is, if people out there could please sign the back of their licenses and donate their organs, because I am a double organ transplant recipient.
I have a pancreas and a kidney, and for my transplant I had to go through three Pancreas is before I got a good one.
Wow.
So yeah, they had infections on them.
So I waited for the third one and all ten things that was supposed to match, matched.
But transplants are a big process and they asked me that would be God's greatest gift if you could give life to somebody else.
All right, so thanks.
Thank you very, very much and you're exactly right.
You know, I've heard that organs that perhaps are not available here may be available overseas.
And I suppose if you really, really needed one, as in you'll die without it, that might be something you would consider doing.
I don't know.
But I guess there's a lot going on with that.
I understand why we have the very strict regulations that we have.
And they make sense.
Unless you need an organ.
And then, I think you'll probably go get it in, you know, any way you can.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hello Art.
Hi.
Hey, I was wondering, do they have chemtrails in other countries other than the United States?
Yes.
And another question.
Years ago, you put in that loop antenna?
Yes.
And you said that you were getting voltage off of it.
Yeah, short of about 400 volts and that remains true today.
Has anyone ever been able to figure out a way to harness that voltage where you could use it?
That wouldn't be hard at all.
There are various ways to harness it.
What I need to do is measure the amount of current that goes along with that voltage, and then, oh, you could use it for various things.
In my opinion, there's not going to be a great deal of current.
What is surprising is that there's no detectable rise time.
In other words, if you ground it, Bring it back up, it's there right away, instantly.
So it's not as though you're discharging something, it's there constantly.
So, I don't know, you could use it for powering something, certainly charging circuits, it could be used for a lot of things.
Isn't that amazing?
And one other quick question, is Dolly, is Asia still Dolly's little baby?
I haven't seen that picture, how much Dolly loved her.
Dolly is Asia's protector.
Oh, that is so cool.
In fact, if we don't keep Dolly out of her room, she will jump up and sleep with Asia and protect her, but at the same time, perhaps wake up once or twice during the night and do the cat kneading thing, you know, with the paws and wake her up.
So, she loves to be with her so much that we've got to keep that door closed.
Oh, that's sweet.
I mean, I'm a big cat lover.
We spoke about cats over the years.
And Dolly is just very adorable.
Adorable!
She is adorable.
Thank you very, very much.
I'm going to try and squeeze one more in.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hey Art, has anyone ever thought that Jesus' mother Mary may have been abducted?
No, that's one I have not heard.
There, of course, have been some recent motion pictures suggesting all sorts of things that disturb people, but no, I hadn't heard about an abduction.
That's new.
Well, I mean, if Jesus really did all those things, it sounds to me that quite possibly, since she was a virgin, supposedly, that maybe some sort of abduction by intelligent beings may have taken place.
Well, you never know, sir.
It's as good a suggestion as anybody's basis for a movie that's been out on that subject fairly recently.
We'll be right back.
Well, this is going to be quite the program, and I warn you that if you're disturbed by scary things and don't want to hear them, turn it off now, because this is going to be scary.
Uh, Gary Ridenour attended Harham College, Harham College, and was at Woodstock in the Kent State shootings.
He attended medical school in Guadalajara, Mexico.
Was one of the main characters in the movie Bad Medicine, written by a classmate.
He ran his own clinic for the poor out of a Catholic church clinic, sometimes sad and read up on a problem with the patient in the room.
After an hour, he did his internship in Regina, Saskatchewan and then moved on to St.
Louis for his residency in internal medicine.
Later, he set up the Critical Care Fellowship program and was the first fellow.
After training, Dr. Renauer ran the emergency room, that would be a biggie, at St.
Louis City Hospital, where he saw a murder a day, a rape a day, two gunshots to the chest a day.
God.
In 1975, he set up the first freestanding rape treatment center at City Hospital and was Citizen of the Year in 1980.
He decided to go west in 80 and arrived in Fallon, Nevada, right here in Nevada in 1981.
During the Reagan years, Naval Air Station Fallon grew into the premier fighter weapons school in the world and boasts of being the home to Top Gun.
Dr. Rittenhour has been heavily engaged in the leukemia cluster in Fallon and has co-authored four papers on that subject.
He probably is the only citizen in the U.S.
who can say he turned an aircraft carrier toward home, made sure everyone got antiviral medications on the way.
His current interest is in educating everyone on the threat of the avian flu.
And one last time, this is going to be rough stuff.
But if you want to hear the truth, stay tuned.
We'll be right back.
Dr. Ridenour, welcome back to Coast to Coast AM.
Thank you very much.
How are you?
I'm quite well, thank you.
And I wonder, first of all, thank you for sending me the book.
You're welcome.
That's how all this began.
I wonder if it's possible to start by actually having you describe what a virus is.
I mean, most people know virus causes a cold, virus causes the flu, and what's a virus?
Well, actually, there are about 80 families of viruses, and 20 families of the virus family infect human beings, and they're classified as viral A, B, and C. A is the bad one, B is a little bit, and not so bad.
C has never infected humans.
They're about, you could probably line up 30 million viruses to one inch.
That's really how small they are.
They're about 100 nanometers in diameter, which is a millionth of a millimeter.
And they come in rods and crystals and helixes and polyhedrons and filaments and spheres.
The spherical one is the most common for human beings.
The problem is that they're Very, very special because they're very small.
They may be considered the most advanced parasite in the world because they have no locomotion.
They have no metabolism.
They do not have to go out and find food.
The only thing they do is infect and replicate and go out and infect and replicate again.
So, it's basically they're the ideal parasite.
Okay, we've got this horrible thing in front of us.
I'll tell you what, before I even get to that, is there a difference that you can describe between, say, the common flu, the rhinovirus, and this horrid virus we're going to talk about tonight?
Is there a difference that one could actually talk about?
Yeah, there's quite a difference with the avian flu.
Especially what we call H5N1, which is the designation which we'll talk about later.
But regular flu viruses come, follow the rule of parasites, which is rule number one is you don't kill your host.
You just spread and move on.
The avian flu currently is killing about 60% of the people who come in contact with it.
And we hope, we don't hope, but we think it's going to mutate down to maybe 10% before it really becomes a pandemic.
The problem is with this virus is that once it gets into our lungs, into our lungs and into the cells in our lungs, our immune system looks at the virus, overreacts and actually dissolves our lungs.
Dissolves our lungs.
Dissolves your lungs.
You'll start coughing blood up, which will actually be Your own blood and lung tissue.
And you can be gone in about eight hours.
Why does this virus What caused this overreaction?
I mean, we get other viruses, a cold or, you know, another standard Asian flu, and we don't overreact.
We get sick, but we don't overreact.
What's different that causes this?
Well, this one, it's called antigenic shift.
In other words, it has, its structure is Immune systems look at things like a virus and read the structure of the virus and then decide what they're going to do with it and how they're going to get rid of it.
When it sees the structure of the avian flu virus, it looks at it as being an ultimate foreign body and just attacks it and as a result causes what we call a cytokine storm, which is a trigger of a whole bunch of chemicals released to go after the virus, which unfortunately Kills the surrounding lung cells also.
So, what kills you is your own body's reaction to the virus.
Your immune system kills you.
That's true.
And for that reason, the death rate is highest between age 20 to 40 because they have the best immune system.
So those with compromised, normally you hear people with compromised immune systems, the young and the old, need to get flu shots because they are the most vulnerable.
Well that was true.
You know, CDC last year came out and made a statement that after 20 years of handing out the flu vaccine, they hadn't reduced the death rate for people over 55.
And they said maybe we should be giving it to the children so that they won't spread it on to other people.
And then they backtracked this year and said, oh, it cut down the number of people that were admitted to hospitals in a 55 and older.
So we should still be giving it.
So there was quite a bit of hocus pocus about our current vaccine.
But the current vaccine is always a year behind what the current virus is.
Okay, that doesn't make any sense to me.
If the flu vaccine works, then it should cut down the numbers for people above age 55 or 65 or whatever, as it would for others, right?
The original theory was to give it to people over the age of 55 so that the flu wouldn't trip off their other disease problems becoming worse and having them die.
After 20 years of looking at it, last year they said, we don't think that's really what's happening.
And so because when you get your flu shot this year, you're not really getting the virus that's going to be coming around that year.
Two years ago, I had my flu shot, spent five days in the hospital with the flu.
And because the virus was different than what the vaccine was made for.
What do you know about this, Juris?
You know, once again, we're having a problem with the vaccine.
There's a lot of controversy with the vaccine.
Our biggest problem is that our current method for making the flu vaccine is 50 years old and requires us to take a chicken egg that's fertilized, put a little hole in it, put the virus in it, patch the hole, let the virus grow, Then take the virus out and then purify it and make sure it's not active and then make a vaccine out of it.
And there was last year or the year before they had trouble with a lot of eggs and had to throw them out and the vaccine was late getting, you know, out to the market.
The problem is with the avian flu virus is that you put it into the egg, it kills the egg.
It kills the egg?
Yeah, so the whole idea of using eggs is out the window with this one.
Alright, well we've heard, many of us have heard a lot of things about the avian flu.
For example, there was a story going around, a caller mentioned it.
Kimchi was thought to be some sort of defense.
Right or wrong?
I really doubt it.
I'd say wrong.
It would be like anything else is that.
If kimchi really worked and somebody had some good studies to show it would work, the big pharmaceutical companies would be selling kimchi pills today.
Yeah, I'm sure that's right.
A few years ago, avian flu was confined to two countries.
And what's today?
80 countries?
80 to 90-something.
We've lost count.
It's reappeared.
I mean, if you go into, like, use your browser and put an alert on there to look for the word avian flu or bird flu every day, and you'll get an email that shows you things all over the world that there's new outbreaks here, there's new outbreaks there.
China just came back out again and said, we've got another outbreak again.
But of course, the Chinese have claimed that they've only lost six people due to the flu.
When the first two countries came out and said, you know, we've got the flu, then the Chinese finally came out and said, oh, yeah, we've had it too for six years now.
And well, in a communist country that, you know, you have to get together and vote on that, you know, so it's like everybody in favor of six, put your hand up.
So we don't know how many years it's been in China, but they have thrown everything against it and the virus has mutated.
Alright, well the CDC, which is traditionally very conservative, has actually said the avian flu is the greatest threat to mankind in the history of the world?
Yes.
They really said that?
That is true.
And there have been previous flu pandemics before.
Unfortunately, this virus, this avian flu virus, its ability to mutate and fight and defeat antivirals means that it is a fantastic threat to to mankind.
We got a glimpse of what happened in 1918 when the avian flu broke out in 1918 and killed 50 to 100 million people.
That was the avian flu?
Yeah, what happened was they used to call it the Spanish flu.
Right.
And we haven't heard much about it until the bird flu or the avian flu just started appearing again.
And what they did a number of years ago is that researchers went up into way up in northern Alaska and dug up an Inuit tribe.
I remember that, yes.
Then they were buried in permafrost and they recovered lung tissue and brought the virus back and found out that it was a bird flu.
And unfortunately, the CDC has now reactivated that virus, which is currently the deadliest virus in the history of mankind.
And they're going around handing it out to laboratories for them to test it.
You're kidding.
No.
And last year there were 343 laboratory accidents in those super Andromeda strain controlled laboratories with everybody in spacesuits.
They had 343 accidents last year.
Doctor, the bird flu, and I'm sure a lot of people in the audience have heard the reports, appears to pop up here and there in Asia mostly, although I guess it's in Europe and all over the place now, but not human-to-human transmission.
That's really what we're worried about, right?
That's true.
We have this year At least three clusters that we know of that appear to be human to human.
The problem is that they're in undeveloped countries and by the time everybody gets there and starts looking around, things are pretty well covered up or have disappeared.
The main reason is that Indonesia is probably one of the worst ones.
Indonesia every other month decides not to let anyone see their virus anymore because they're afraid that We'll find that they have a virus that is mutated human to human, and they don't want to be the first country in the world to be quarantined, which would be an economic disaster.
Is it even possible?
That it'll go human to human?
No, to quarantine a country.
Well, in theory, let's say that.
But, you know, you can't stop people from moving things in and out of countries.
It would probably be financially very tough on them.
But, you know, we can't, we just can't quarantine anything.
You know, one of, I mean, my God, a couple years ago, we, the US government finally realized that we were still shipping F-16 jet parts to Iraq.
You know, I mean, we just found that out two years ago, we were still sending them equipment.
Alright.
Something you said at the beginning of the program was one of the first things for a virus, a lethal virus like this, is not to kill the host.
This would appear to violate that tenet.
Yeah, that's the problem is that the 1918 avian flu had a death rate of maybe five to ten percent.
Currently, This avian flu with a death rate of 60% isn't going to go into a pandemic because of the fact that people will go down and die so quickly that it won't be spread.
Like you have a little brush fire and it burns itself out.
Yeah, it burns itself out right away.
I mean you're sick in the morning and you're dead by four o'clock in the afternoon.
Their fear is is that and then what they're watching for is to see if this flu We'll start to drop his death rate down so that it can be more infectious.
Are there any indications of that yet?
Yeah, there's a couple of cases.
I believe in Turkey, Afghanistan and somewhere else where they believe that it hit families and in the family, let's say there's about six people and only two out of six died and they went like, ooh, theoretically, you know, There should have been a lot more dead.
Maybe this flu has mutated.
And so, you know, they've looked at those cases and, you know, they're starting to get a feeling that it may start to mutate down.
A pandemic, by definition, is what?
Basically, this is an infection of all countries in the world.
An epidemic is an infection in your country or in your area.
Pandemic means You know, it's all over everywhere and there's been lots of them in history before.
And so it's not very surprising that it's going to happen again.
But the problem is today is that once we have a pandemic, the industrialized countries or the countries that are more advanced will take the hardest hit.
With the densest population?
Well, the countries that are most developed will take the hardest hit.
Why?
Well, for example, like in the United States there may be a hundred million people in the United States that have never camped outside, they've never started a fire or anything.
When this virus hits, they will be shoved beyond the Stone Age.
They will not know how to cook.
They will not know how to catch an animal.
They will not know how to stay warm.
And they're totally dependent on the infrastructure.
In 1918, banking was done by hand.
Mail was delivered by hand.
People still had wood-burning stoves.
They could still go out and kill a chicken and things or whatever.
And that's not today.
We've got ATMs.
You know, we're totally dependent on our electricity.
There's, you know, we're just completely lost if we lose these things.
All right.
There are people out there who say the bird flu scare is a hoax.
I don't know if you've run into them.
Oh, yes.
But there are people who believe it's just a hoax to scare people to sell drugs, whatever the reason is.
They think it's a hoax.
What do you say to those people?
Well, in fact, I got a couple of emails from people that it's part of the conspiracy, the New World Order, and it's a hoax and so on.
Quite frankly, in my book, I have the government plan, the National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza.
And if you read our government plan, it is so crappy and hokey that you have to understand that this is not a hoax, that these people think that this plan is really going to work.
You know, it's stockpiling vaccines and... No, that's a plan for dealing with it.
I'm saying there are people who think that just the fact that you're saying that the bird flu exists and will become a pandemic, the whole thing's a hoax.
There's no bird flu.
There's nothing to worry about.
I sincerely hope that whoever's saying that, that they absolutely are correct on this.
The fact of the matter is that with all the research all over the world being done, this is not a hoax.
This is the real deal.
All right.
Doctor, hold tight.
We'll be right back from the high desert.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
Okay, let's clear something up right away.
I'm told I may be mispronouncing the doctor's name.
Dr. Gary C. Ridenour?
Ridenour, yeah, that's it.
Ridenour.
I'm easy, though.
No, let me try it again.
Ridenour.
Is that correct?
Yep, that's it.
Okay, Ridenour.
Very good.
Doctors, stand by.
Back to the bird flu pandemic that's coming in a moment.
Dr. Ridenour, we hear about millions of poultry being slaughtered in different parts of the world.
I think they just slaughtered many, many in Europe.
Is that correct?
Yes, it is.
In fact, in Europe last year, or actually this year, They killed so much poultry that the grocery stores reported that they had about a 20% drop in income last year because of loss of revenue because there was no poultry to sell.
Wow.
And again, you say that in two countries it has mutated to a human-to-human form of the virus.
Is that for real?
I mean, are we guessing?
Well, they've said by the numbers, by the time, like I said, they get there.
For example, in Pakistan, there was, I believe, a number of brothers.
One was a veterinarian.
He got sick and then passed it on to two other brothers who died.
And they hadn't been in contact with anyone with the bird flu.
And they were quite concerned that this may have been a straight Person-to-person transmission, unfortunately.
By the time everyone got there, the dead had been buried and that was the end of it.
Our problem is today that so far in the entire world, I think we've only had about two autopsies of people who have died with the bird flu because of cultural and, you know, distance problems and things like that.
You're saying the pandemic, bird flu pandemic, is inevitable.
Not a matter of if, but a matter of when.
Why?
Why do you say that?
Well, it's because of the ability of this virus to mutate in the way it goes about killing people.
They compare it to the 1918 avian flu pandemic.
Look at this one and said, you know, it's no longer an if, it's now a when.
One other Group has quoted that the probability is one chance in three of it becoming a pandemic.
It's just that it doesn't stop.
It just keeps coming.
It doesn't.
It does.
It's not seasonal anymore.
At first, they thought it was going to go with the migratory bird patterns.
That's not happening more.
It's moving with commerce.
A form of the bird flu appeared in England earlier this year.
And they shut it, and it actually went human to human, but it just made the people sick with flu symptoms, and they thought they had it completely contained and said, wow, we've done it.
The next thing you know, it's in West Virginia, and then Virginia, and then now it's in Canada.
So it's moving with Congress.
We also have problems with, there's a lot of people in the world who smuggle birds.
Right.
And bird smuggling, a lot of these birds are sick.
So, they smuggle them around, and we have no way of controlling that either.
But, yeah, all the experts, especially Dr. Michael Osterholm, who, if you go on the internet and look up CIDRAP, C-I-D-R-A-P, they follow it very, very closely, the University of Minnesota, and he's kind of the prophet.
Four or five years ago, he was saying, this is bad, this is not good.
A year or so On the news, they had somebody from WHO and somebody from the CDC, and they quoted Osterholm, and Osterholm, they said, you know, two years ago we thought this guy was crazy, now we look to him as being the prophet.
That he was on target a number of years ago.
Well, for the CDC to quote it as the biggest threat to mankind, I guess in history, that's just an amazing statement to make.
This virus, we have lots of other viruses, but this is not like this one.
In fact, a very surprising thing just happened about a week ago is that in, I believe it was Missouri or Mississippi, they had a number of pigs that became ill and they found that they had a virus.
They looked at the virus.
And it was a pig virus which had picked up the avian flu virus, and that avian flu virus mutated with the pig virus.
Wow.
And that's the first time that's been seen before.
And they've done a lot of studies to see whether or not it would transmit human to human, and it hasn't.
The problem is that the pig is a virus cooker.
Pigs are quite physiologically similar to human beings.
So viruses cook in pigs and often go from a pig to a human and then the flu will take off.
So this was a big surprise.
Every time we look at one area and we think everyone's got kind of a handle on what's going on, then we turn around and now we've got a bird pig virus that's popped up.
Doctor, how quickly could this develop and spread?
A good example is that the Pakistanis I was talking about, one gentleman, one brother was from New York City, flew to Pakistan and buried two of his brothers and flew back to New York and didn't feel well at all and went to an emergency room and was immediately isolated because they were afraid that he may have contracted the bird flu and had You know, they were afraid that he was on two or three different airplanes, the people on those planes had gone off to other airplanes, and within a day or two, you would have 10 or 15,000 people already contaminated.
So, it would move very fast.
Osterholm says that when it hits the United States, if it's really going to be as bad as we think it is, we will be out of caskets in the first week.
The first week we will not have any caskets.
One, the people, the caskets will be used up is one.
Two, the people that make the caskets will be dead, sick, or staying home.
The supplies for the caskets won't be there.
That was one of the problems in 1918 is that the survivors of the flu had their lifespan reduced by almost 15 years because of the amount of damage done to their organs.
Primarily lungs or what?
Yeah, lungs and things like that.
My uncle had asthma-like symptoms for the rest of his life after he had the avian flu and subsequently at a very young age had a flu attack in Kansas City and he was in a drugstore and he ran back to the bathroom and unfortunately it was a stairway to the basement and he broke his neck.
But there were a lot of other people that, like I said, that were incapacitated.
It ended the First World War.
I mean, that's just to give you an idea of how bad it was in less than a year it stopped the First World War.
Ebola is an interesting virus.
It does the same thing we were talking about earlier, right?
It's so lethal it just burns out.
Yeah, that's the thing.
The Ebola is the same thing.
It gets loose in one area, it just kills the whole village and it's over.
But our little avian friend... What I want to ask is, why do you feel that the avian flu will mutate in the way you've described and Ebola has not yet done so, or may not?
Well, Ebola is more of a hemorrhagic fever and the The morphology or the structure of the Ebola virus is very different than the physical structure of the bird flu virus.
And for that reason, it doesn't have the characteristics to mutate as much as our bird flu friend.
I see.
All right.
What about defenses against it?
For a while we heard that Tamiflu might work against it.
Does it?
We just had some problems with Tamiflu.
First off, resistance is almost one-third of the patients, just normally with the flu.
In China, Tamiflu did not work at all.
Just recently in Japan, they've been using a lot of Tamiflu and they had four teenagers commit suicide from one dose of Tamiflu because of unbelievable hallucinations when they took the Tamiflu.
And so they've taken a big step back on Tamiflu now and said, you know, this is probably not going to work.
But that said, again, is it effective against, is it possibly effective against bird flu or not?
Right now, the answer is no.
And we've got Flumidine, which is another one, and Relensa, which is another one.
Oh, yes.
And it's, you know, the Tamiflu manufacturers are in Europe.
They pulled back delivering Tamiflu to the United States for a while and said, we're going to keep it all in one big pile.
And when the flu breaks out, then we're going to send all that antiviral medicine to that one country to control it.
That would be a complete chaos.
I mean, you'd be paying $200 for a Tamiflu tablet because, you know, it would be hijacked right away and only the rich would get the medication.
And currently, it's Not the drug of choice.
Even on your website today, you had a mention of a new vaccine that's coming out.
And that new vaccine is, let's see, I think it's Acuflu A. I think it is by Aventis Corporation.
And you look around on this one and you go, whoa, new flu vaccine that could be good against A and B. And you read the results, and I read Four or five different articles, and they've only used it on 72 people.
And I said, oh wow, it looks pretty good.
And then I found that it has a safe harbor statement with it now that says that forward-looking statements like may, will, could, forecast, expect, predict, so on and so forth, are really not fair because further research may be unpredictable.
In other words, don't really put too much weight into what we're talking about right now.
From the time you're exposed to H5N1 to the moment you begin getting sick, it would be how long?
Well, H5N1 was the 1918, and it came in three waves.
And it came out of, for some reason, we think it came out of Asia, but where it really started cooking was in Kansas.
In the military bases in Kansas and it got over to it went from Fort Lewis and then it rode with the trains with the troops and of course in those days they ship the chickens live until they were processed because they really didn't have a good way of freezing them and so forth in 1918.
So the chicken containers went all over the country and things.
Within a day or two of being exposed, in 1917, people were starting to get sick.
They called it the three-day flu.
And then the second and third wave hit by spring 1918.
You could go down, you could be dead in just a few days.
When you say waves, you're talking about waves.
So, I don't know, you and I are in Nevada, for example.
Right.
So if this thing began to move, got going and began to move, you're suggesting it would come through, pass?
Nevada, get however many people sick it's going to and then keep going and what?
Go around the world and then back to Nevada or around the country and back to Nevada or what?
One of the fears is that this may become the predominant flu for the next 10 or 15 years.
That it may come in a wave and then disappear and then next year come back in a stronger or less strong version.
I see.
And may keep coming in back and forth.
In 1918, they did note that they started making people in the United States wear a cloth mask, and they didn't have funerals, they didn't want people to get together, they stopped meetings and parades and everything, and they found out that the virus came into a town with a horrible death rate, and within a week to 10 days, it was gone.
And so, like I said in my book, the best theory is that if you can stay indoors for 10 days and stay away from everybody, you've got a good chance of surviving it.
At least the first wave.
But then another wave.
There's a possibility of another wave.
The problem is that The damage to the infrastructure will be, we'll lose power first, electrical power.
And because electricity is brokered every day and the brokers will be dead sick or not be able to get to work or they'll be staying home with their kids because the schools will all be closed.
And the people that deliver the fuel or run the plants won't be there.
And so, you know, we'll get a rolling blackout that'll take out most of the country.
And from there, then, you know, communication goes down.
Very quickly.
This country is not at all equipped to live without power.
Well, our power system, our backup systems and designs to catch overloads are over 45 years old.
So, I mean, a few years ago in Ohio, we almost came up to within 30 seconds of a massive blackout of the entire East Coast because of an overload.
Really?
Well, there have been.
I was at that great power failure back in New York.
The first great power failure.
It was awful.
I was in Ohio and we thought it was an atomic war or something.
That's exactly what I thought.
There was no radio.
There was no TV.
There was no nothing.
We couldn't figure out what was going on.
So you think the, I guess then, also the first responders, those in ambulances, clinic workers, hospital workers, they're going to go first, aren't they?
Yeah, the first thing is that once we lose power, we lose fuel.
And if you saw in Oklahoma when they got hit with that big ice storm, people with big manual pumps trying to pump gasoline or fuel Out of the ground so that they could take it to the water department so they could keep the pumps running so they could keep up water pressure.
And so, you know, without power, we don't have fuel.
And your first responders go... 80% of our drugs for hospitals and everybody in the United States come from other countries.
That stuff won't be coming.
When the power goes out, all of our aircraft Navigate by, you know, by radio signals from the ground.
Right.
They won't be able to get around because there won't be any power.
So that goes down the chutes.
So there's no medication.
The outside of the hospitals will have lines of people trying to get in who are sick.
Only the ones that are coughing up blood will actually be brought in.
They will be given morphine to make them comfortable until they pass away.
England has already picked out buildings to use as temporary mortuaries, and then once the buildings are full, they're going to set them on fire and burn them.
Oh my God.
This is actually a written plan?
Yeah, it actually goes back to the 1962 plan in England of what to do after an atomic attack.
What to do with the bodies.
Hong Kong has already set up to use their stadiums as field hospitals.
A lot of people, a lot of countries have set up real plans for this.
The problem is that when we run out of morphine for these people, then what do we do next?
Do we dispatch them with a pistol or what do we do?
Furthermore, with no power after a while, generators are horribly inefficient and so Pretty soon you don't have any fuel for the generator either.
Right.
Right.
But you said that if you were able to isolate yourself for, what did you say, ten?
Eight to ten days.
Eight to ten days?
You know, it's a current, you know, it's kind of a joke in my office that people come in and go, you know, the flu bug's loose here in town.
And I went, yep.
And if we all stay home for a week, it would be gone.
You're still in practice.
What kind of practice do you have, Doctor?
Originally I was in internal medicine and critical care.
After 25 years in rural Nevada, I see everything from babies on up.
So it's more like country medicine.
They do a flu report on CNN.
It seems like, I think Nevada right now is in sort of the sporadic category.
Is that accurate?
It is.
And it depends where you're at too.
Our problem in Fallon is that we have about 13,000 men and women that come through the Navy base every year.
So you could be getting a sore throat on an aircraft carrier in the Indian Ocean and three days later you're coughing in a casino in Fallon.
Yeah, that's a good point.
You know, so our waves are quite different than what we get here, but it usually comes in the regular flu virus usually comes in the winter because The mutation of the virus happens over in Asia, which at that time of the year, it's their spring.
So it's their spring there, and it's our winter here, and the virus is on its way.
I've always been curious about why it all seems to come out of Asia, and probably Southeast Asia more than anything else.
So we'll address that when we get back.
We're going into a break.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
Good morning.
A virus that kills 60% of the people it infects between ages 20 and 40.
My guest is Dr. Ridenour, and we're talking about the bird flu.
We'll get right back to it.
I've always wondered, and I guess I really know the answer to this question, but I'll ask it.
Doctor, why Southeast Asia, China, why do most of the flus seem to begin there?
Well, it's because the people that live there live in close proximity to chickens and pigs.
So they have chickens running through the house.
They got chickens underneath their houses.
They're picking chickens up and carrying them to market.
They've got pigs walking around in their yard.
So their contact with these infected animals is quite high.
Whereas, you know, here, We take our chickens and pack them into these buildings and, you know, and raise them in mass.
And it may be that the mass, the way that we have the mass market of producing chicken may be our downfall.
This may have actually helped to start the virus.
And we were talking before about Ebola and the bird flu.
Ebola is not as deadly because of the fact that Ebola doesn't have a reservoir of animals that carry the virus, whereas the bird flu right now, the reservoir is almost every bird on the planet.
Actually, I don't think they even know where the Ebola virus comes from or what brings it around at any given moment, do they?
No, there's multiple variations of it.
A lot of it is circumstantial.
It popped up about 1976, and they have looked around.
They found that the bats will carry it, but nothing else seems to be too interested in it.
Whereas, going and looking at the avian flu, the viral mass of the avian flu is just so huge that the possibility for mutation is very easy.
I mean, that's the way evolution happened, is that you had to get a huge mass of animals for a slight change to happen.
Because this viral mass is so huge, Europe just announced that by spring, the avian flu will be endemic in their country, in Europe.
In other words, all of Europe will be saturated with it.
So with that much viral load everywhere, the possibility for a mutation, I'm sure they can do the numbers on it.
Oh, that's why they're saying that this is going to happen, is because the viral load is, well, it's from, geez, you can start from England and go all the way to Asia.
Back to Russians, when it was going through Russia a year or two ago, the Russians came up with a great idea, which is they opened up duck season early to shoot the migratory birds down.
Which was disastrous, but a lot of places have different ideas on it, and that's the problem with our cultural problems that are holding us back from ever being able to control this thing.
If this happened, if it was coming, if you knew it was coming, and just days away, perhaps, from where you are in Nevada, what would you do, Doctor?
Well, one, I'd have to realize that I wouldn't be able to help or take care of anyone.
I wouldn't be able to treat anyone.
If they come in coughing blood up and things, they're probably going to die.
I would be overwhelmed with the ill and dying.
If I packed up and went home, people would come to my house and come out and demand that I try to do something for them, which I would not be able to do.
The only thing I would be able to do is to take my family and go somewhere and ride it out until the worst is over, then try to come back and pick up the pieces.
And that's what you'd do?
That's what I'd have to do because there's nothing that I could do to help anyone with it.
And it's better to try to survive with your family and ride it out.
Until it's gone by.
We were talking before about this, about telling people that, well, I have a generator, and I've got lots of guns, and I've got lots of lights, and da-da-da-da, and all that.
When people start talking about how much stuff they have, when the avian flu hits, you painted a target on your back.
Sure.
Because people, when this hits and things go bad, people are going to have no food, they're going to be They have no heat, no light, and they see a real bright place down the road.
They're going to upgrade their living facility.
I guess it's worth asking you at this point, you would obviously take some medicine for your family, wouldn't you?
Yeah, probably some antibiotics, things like that.
What about antivirals?
Uh, probably would, you know, stock up, take some, maybe some Tamiflu, uh, Relenso, Long, um, also, um, make sure that, um, you know, I've got everything prepared.
I was just, during the break, just found something that, uh, is from CIDRAP, again, C-I-D-R-A-P, and it's very interesting.
It's, uh, from Montgomery County Health Department, uh, and, uh, they have something called a, um, Let's see, it's called a, because we're going to be overwhelmed and things, it's a home health kit.
And what it is, it's called the Home Care Influenza Toolkit.
And it, you can pick this up on the net, and it tells you about how to prevent from being infected, how to prevent transmission between people, and guidelines on how to take care of people, you know, at home.
And that's what we're going to have to do.
There is a mask that is approved to wear, which is called a NIOSH N95 mask, but Even, you know, wrapping something around your face two or three times will probably, a bandana-type thing will probably cut down on inhaling the virus.
So, in other words, it's spread by, just the way it is, a sneeze, a cough, whatever?
Yeah, by sneezing and coughing.
And because it's in the lungs and people sneeze and out it goes.
We're not sure whether it could be spread by stool or by urine as of yet, but definitely it's a respiratory virus, so not inhaling the virus is the best plan.
Why is this bird flu so likely to become airborne, which is of course so awful and accounted for the 1918 pandemic, as opposed to through bodily fluids, for example?
Well, this virus, because it's got such a massive infection in the lungs, the human lungs, if you take them out and open them up and lay them out, they will fill a tennis court.
And so that's an awful lot of surface areas.
So that virus is in there.
And when you start to cough, it's going to be coming out of those lungs.
And it's a very, very small virus, so it spreads well.
People sneeze.
Some people can get up to 150, 200 mile an hour on 200 mile an hour sneeze.
mile an hour sneeze and can actually blow a virus 10 or 15 feet.
Wow.
Yes, but again, there is a difference between, if you look at AIDS for example, I believe
it is well generally known it is only spread by bodily fluids, intravenous drug users,
that sort of thing, but bodily fluids, right?
It is because the virus has a very, very tight temperature Range, okay?
It can only stay very close to 98.6 degrees.
So, if I had AIDS and I licked a glass and handed it to someone else, before it got to them, the temperature had already been dropping, the virus would be dead.
But when it was transmitted from inside of a human to the inside of another human being, the temperature drop never occurred.
Okay, so what about a sneeze, for example, and this particular bird flu, or maybe we ought to talk about the 1918 variety.
I'm sure they've done lots of testing on that.
How long does it live?
That's the problem.
Current research on this virus under optimal conditions, let's say if it is in bird dropping and the temperature stays fairly warm, let's say In the mid 60s or 70s, 39 days.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
39 days.
So I've, you know, I got a little remote controlled helicopter this summer from, you know, shipped to me from China.
I'm opening the box up and I'm going like, good Lord, I wonder if there's something in here.
Well, gee, a lot of things come from China now, huh?
Oh yeah.
10% of everything that China ships out goes to Walmart.
Of course, they claim that the virus is not over there, really, because if they had a horrible outbreak of the avian flu, then communism has failed.
That communism is not working because they can't control the health of their people.
Actually, I suppose in some ways, communism has a better chance of controlling or isolating an outbreak than we do.
Yeah, they will.
Your problem is that you will have a lot of defections in your military, people wanting to go home to get to their families, or army units that are going to try to get out of the country by crossing the border into another country.
You'll have border wars.
They've got a better chance of controlling the population, but at the same time, it's
really difficult to control your military because they want to take off.
The 1918 pandemic came in three waves.
It did.
So the world has changed a very great deal since 1918.
If we were to make a comparison between what happened then and what is likely to happen in the modern world, how much difference would there be?
Well, that's what they're looking at is that 1918 was, estimates go from 50 to 100 million died in about a year.
And with about maybe 5 or 10 percent death rate.
And so they figure that with the current population of In the, you know, Russia and China, especially China and Asia, have gotten really into, you know, raising chickens and pigs and, you know, really gotten into raising these animals.
That's how we come up with the number that the CDC says 100 million and people like Dr. Osterholm said worst case scenario will be 1 billion.
For most diseases, doctor, people say, you know, forget getting a flu shot.
For God's sakes, just eat and live a healthy life and bolster your immune system and you're not going to get these things.
But if I'm reading what you've written correctly, you're saying the people with really hot immune systems are going to be the first to go down.
Yeah, I've received a number of emails today From people who've purchased the book and said, what about selenium?
If we take selenium, do you think that would help us to resist this by increasing our immune system?
Right.
And we don't have any research on any of these things about increasing the immune system, but it would tend to make sense that if you upped your immune system, you might have more lung damage than you'd want to anticipate.
Again, it's called what when it attacks your lungs?
Some sort of A cytokine storm.
It's a whole cascade of chemicals that the lung tissue releases trying to kill the virus and it's like an immense allergic reaction and consequently it dissolves the lung tissue.
Dissolves the lung tissue.
Right.
And so what happens is that you have cough.
In 1918, people came in coughing They would just basically strap them to the bed and try to get anything to make them comfortable because their oxygen levels would go so low they would turn a very bluish black color, hallucinations.
In one account that I read, one man managed to drag him and his bed to a window and go out the window and committed suicide.
And the same thing would happen here is that The high fevers, the heat, I mean the high fevers, the cough, shortness of breath, heart rate going up, bleeding, that would be the big signs.
A lot of places now, a couple years ago they talked about it, that if you're coming on an international flight there are sensors now that check your body temperature and if you have a fever they pull you over.
That's fact.
When I went to China last time, they in fact were doing that.
There was a little, it was, I think it was a laser and they'd hit you with it and you didn't even know you were being measured.
Although I think there was a little sign there.
You're the third person that has told me that.
That in fact in the last two months that they took their, in fact somebody had their, they did the laser temperature and even took their blood pressure.
Yes, well... Before they got on the plane and they're saying, oh, we have no problems over here.
Well, what happens if you do have a fever?
Well, then you go to quarantine until they could figure out what's wrong with you.
You wouldn't make the flight.
Really?
No, you'd be off to quarantine until they could find out what's going on.
And the problem is, is that, for example, Indonesia, if they want to check for the avian flu, the samples Most of the time are shipped to Hong Kong because Hong Kong's got the lab that can do the testing.
For a while, in Vietnam, they kept saying, well, the bird flu's not present here and it's not present there, and the testing kit they had was defective.
And they got new testing kits and found out the bird flu was in other areas that they thought were clear.
And the other thing is that once they, you know, let's say that they find a virus and they think it's gone human to human, Then you have to pack it in some sort of a bomb-proof, crash-proof container to fly it back to the United States or somewhere to look at it.
Because one of the fears is that you're taking this thing on an airplane, the plane goes down and the virus gets out.
Sure.
So it's very complicated on how they You know, try to examine this virus.
So we have not really managed to isolate and transport a human-to-human version of this virus to, say, the CDC for examination?
No.
They get to other countries, and other countries look at it, and they'll say, we're not We don't think, maybe their method of analyzing the genetic structures, not the way that we do it and that, so we always get, tend to get different sort of answers to the problem.
Before we were talking about the three waves of flu in 1918, two of the waves were in 1918 were never reported because the military thought it was bad for morale.
I'm sure it was.
During the war, you know, and in the meantime, the Germans lost So many people from the flu that they suddenly in late 1918 turned around and looked back to Germany and said, wow, we don't have any recruits.
We've lost a whole lot of people that make all the weapons and bullets and things for us.
They're gone.
We got to find a way of suing for peace because we're out of the war.
So they went ahead with the armistice and then the Treaty of Versailles.
What kind of quarantines do you imagine we would see?
If we begin to see the real human-to-human transmission, obviously the whole world is going to be concerned.
And they're going to take pretty draconian steps, I would think, very quickly.
Yeah, I would say that international flights are over.
Professional, anywhere where people are gathered together Such as schools, universities, sporting events, like baseball games, football games, all of those things will be gone.
So in other words, this is pretty important because a lot of us do a lot of world travel, so you could be in Europe, you could be in Asia, and it would be, it would break out somewhere, and you're telling me they would stop all international flights, meaning you'd never get home?
That's a possibility and a very good possibility.
The other thing, too, is that, you know, we would be...some countries would be forced to shoot, like, shoot down private planes trying to get...sneak back into the country or sneak from their country into their country or sink boats coming in because they've been told not to come in and they're still trying to get, you know, to shore to get away from the infection.
How quickly do you think the infrastructure would break down once that began?
They're talking about, most experts go 12 to 18 months of intermittent failure of the infrastructure.
And that means loss of power, loss of delivery of food, medicines, no jobs.
I mean, just unbelievable.
I mean, later, in a couple minutes, we can talk about my can of beans theory.
All right.
Indeed, that coming up, I'm Art Bell, this is Coast to Coast AM.
Here I am indeed.
This is kind of a rough one to do in a lot of ways because I'm afraid it's quite likely.
In fact, Inevitable is the word the doctor is using.
My guest is Dr. Gary C. Ridenour.
And he's talking about the bird flu.
And that's it.
Inevitable.
And the way it will take us is pretty brutal, to say the least.
We'll be right back.
Reading from Dr. Ridenour's book, it says here, the avian flu is now endemic in Southeast Asia.
That means that every summer, which is our winter, the virus will appear again.
This year, the World Health Organization states the probability of a pandemic is 30%.
There's no doubt it will mutate to a human-to-human form.
The only question is when.
The virus has mutated human to human in Sumatra and Turkey, so those are the countries, but was contained.
Once a large country has documented a mutation, the world will quarantine it.
No country is going to announce that they have the makings of a pandemic because it will be financial and political suicide.
This is from the book Pandemic.
By the way, Doctor, where is your book available?
Currently, it's on my website right now called PandemicDirect.com, and I'd like to thank the first 8,000 people that hit the site in the last five to six days.
Wow!
So, I'm getting a good response on it.
Yeah, we're talking about what countries are going to do when this breaks out, and I had the whole publication of my book for about a month because I had to throw an added page into the back of the book and get it to the publisher, which is that President Bush last year signed the North American Plan for Avian and Pandemic Influenza in Canada and basically has turned over the United States to be managed by the United Nations if the bird flu gets that bad in the United States.
Now why would he do that?
I have no idea.
Everyone's asking it.
It was no fanfare in 2006 when he did this, but it sets the stage to militarize the management of the continental health emergencies.
It was a shift in policy, but he's going to place the U.S.
under international guidelines and not Any guidelines determined by domestic agencies.
This was sort of a shock to everyone, mainly for the main part is that, my God, the world, the United Nations is in New York City.
That's the worst place in the world to be if there's a pandemic.
Right.
I mean, there's not going to be able to run anything.
But this is, you can find this on the net, on World Net Daily.
A U.S.
under U.N.
law in health emergency.
And it's pretty scary because they're just going to turn the whole thing over to the U.N.
Even the government, our government plan, when you read it also, it's containment, keep the flu from getting to our country.
If it gets here, try to keep it from spreading.
And then maintain the infrastructure.
The bottom line to the plan is you're on your own, folks.
It's not workable.
You're saying the infrastructure is going to go down very quickly.
The government has no plan to take care of us.
We're on our own.
Reno, Nevada has a plan that they're going to get 5,000 volunteers so they can get out and vaccinate people.
The vaccine is 12 years away.
I was going to say, with what?
With what?
Yeah, and not only that, they think the vaccine will require one injection and then a booster about six or eight weeks later.
Well, who's going to be around to give the booster?
A lot of the people will die before they get the booster.
What's this can of beans?
Well, we're so used to today of just going to a store And you go to pick up your favorite can of beans and it's not there.
And you talk to someone and they said, no problem.
It'll be here tomorrow.
And you go back in, your beans are there.
That's right.
Now, after the flu hits, you have to understand that to get a can of beans, you need a farmer to plant the beans and pick them.
And then he needs petroleum gas that's maybe brought from Saudi Arabia and then processed into gasoline so he can drive his tractor Then gas has to be used by the truck to take it to the factory.
The factory has to have ingredients shipped to them.
Then you need workers.
You need paper cases.
People have to go out and cut trees down to make paper.
People have to make paste and glue.
And then you have a delivery system and an ordering system.
And you have to have people that will stock the beans.
So, right off the bat there, when you pick that can of beans up, there's 8,000 to 10,000 people involved in that can of beans.
And you have to have a job, too, to be able to pay for it.
With the flu hitting, a lot of those people aren't going to be around anymore.
So that cannabis may not be in your store again.
And from the time there was a serious outbreak of this bird flu, how quickly would we be looking at the kind of disastrous infrastructure meltdown you're talking about here?
Well, the loss of electrical power would be in the first week or two, and then that would just start the meltdown, because... Oh, yes.
The first week or two?
A week or two, once the pandemic hits us.
Look at, for New York City, four days without power, the entire subway system is flooded.
They pump 30 million gallons of water out of the subway system a day to keep it dry.
And four days the subway system has flooded, four days without electrical power in New York, it'll take them a year to put the fires out.
What do you say to people who say, look, this book, the whole bird flu thing, it's scaremongering, it's just not real?
Well, it's the worst case scenario.
The thing of it is, is that We have to be prepared for it, because it has happened before.
In my book, I mention that 75,000 years ago, a volcano blew up in Indonesia, and the population of the humans on this planet dropped down to just a few thousand, because of about a five-year winter.
And so it's happened before, and it's going to happen again.
And so being prepared for this is what you should be doing.
You look at Katrina and the problem was that no one was prepared for what was going to come.
And nobody's really prepared for this.
I mean, how do you prepare for this?
Well, I've taught survival classes and people go like, what will I need to survive?
And the question is very easy.
You're sitting in your house, you have no heat, you have no electricity.
What are you going to need to survive?
Well, electricity.
All the things you don't have.
Food.
You have no food, electricity.
How are you going to survive?
Well, you're going to have a food store.
You have to have a way of cooking the food and preparing it.
You have to have, take one small room and get all the blankets and everything in there to make it a sleeping and maybe even a living type area so that you can keep it warm.
You have to have battery operated flashlights.
A lot of people today have those little, you know, solar-powered lights in their yards.
Yes.
I've played with those, and I can recharge four to six AA batteries in one day of sunshine.
Oh, sure.
Because they've got AA's in them.
So, I'm basing my electrical power on AA battery lights because I can recharge them without any problems.
And so, you need light, you need heat, you need food.
You know, you needed some sort of a defense system.
Well, I was about to say, you said earlier that, you know, if you're the one with the solar power, you're the one with the, uh, uh, the stock of food, uh, somebody's gonna come and take it away from you, or try to.
Well, that's why you have to be a black hole in the night.
Okay?
In other words, you're there, but no one can see you.
I mean, you got the windows, um, covered up and things so that no light gets out there, so it looks like you're not even home.
Yeah, that's the problem is that you just have to hide.
I remember one time here, we were talking about a flood happening, and we were talking to a couple of our friends that were Mormons, and they said, well, we have all the food.
And my friend, the other doctor here in town said, yeah, but we got all the guns.
Yeah, we know that.
That seems to be a problem.
So, you personally, Doctor, would you protect yourself with, you know, lethal weapons?
If it got down to it, if it was to save my family, I would be forced, yes, I would do it.
Our problem is that we have so many people in this country that have never even shot a BB gun in their life.
Well, my sons went through scouts.
They can throw tomahawk and knife, shoot bow and arrow, black powder rifles, sleep up in the mountains when it's 20 below zero.
But, unfortunately, most of the U.S.
population has no experience like that.
That brings up an interesting question.
This virus, would it spread more readily in warm areas than in cold areas?
For example, you're up north in Nevada, it's kind of cold up there.
Would that slow the spread of it?
Well, it's kind of a toss-up question because in the wintertime when it's cold, people tend to congregate more in the house and so they spread the bug between each other.
It might be to the disadvantage if you're staying indoors a lot and the family is all going out different places and then bringing the virus back to the house and passing it around.
So in the summertime, you'd be better just to hang outside around the house.
Either way, the same problem is that social isolation is going to be the answer, whether it's summer or winter.
Staying isolated is going to be the big thing.
And you might have to be prepared to stay isolated for not just one wave, but up to three or more.
Up to three waves or more.
One of the reasons that they're talking about this being so possible this year is that the plague was preceded by what was called the Small Ice Age.
There were wars during the plague.
It came out of Asia.
You go back to 1918, there was a war The 1918 winter was one of the worst winters in history.
It froze all the way out to Nantucket Island.
In 1918, it snowed in Argentina.
In August of this year, it snowed in Argentina.
Both the plague and the 1918 were preceded with earthquakes, floods, and all kinds of other horrible things.
The same thing has happened.
I call it the pandemic parallels.
So the parallels are lining up again so that it looks like it's going to be a good possibility that we'll have in the next few years.
Well, something had to have hit you pretty hard for you to write this book.
When did it get to you?
How did it get to you?
When did you realize the danger?
Well, two or three years ago, about three years ago, I was with a group of researchers from the University of Arizona.
Who had a medication that they thought might work, and they had some very good connections, and we were going to go to Vietnam to try the experimental medication, so I started really reading up on it and everything, and about three days before we were going to go, the Vietnamese government just kind of dropped off the radar screen, and when they reappeared a month later, they said, everything's fine here, we have no problems, so we never went.
So, I continued to follow the progression of the bird flu.
And then I started thinking about writing the book, and then it hit me that my mother was an orphan at three years of age, and that I'd heard just bits and pieces of the story, and I realized that in 1918, my grandmother and grandfather died from the 1918 bird flu, and left my mother as an orphan.
They never talked much about it afterwards, and so I did some researching and I went, wow, this is really hitting me now because I never got to meet my grandparents.
Doctor, was the 1918 flu the same in this storm that would hit the lungs?
Is that the same way?
Yes.
It was exactly, and for a long time they didn't understand why it was happening.
And when they got to the Inuits up in Alaska and dug them up and got to look at the lung tissue, they went, son of a gun, this is the same mechanism.
That's certainly frightening.
It is.
It's just amazing that it's coming back again.
The death tolls for 1918, for example, India lost 16 million people in one year.
16 million people in one year.
One year, because what their problem was that the doctors that they had were British trained.
They were all at the front in the war.
Our problem here is that, let's say you're in New York City and you've lost power because of the flu and you've got rioting.
You have to get on the telephone and call up Afghanistan and say, can I have the New York National Guard back please?
Because all of our guard and everybody's over, you know, out of the country.
Well, maybe it'll end the Iraq War.
Well, it's going to send the herd, we know that.
That's what it will definitely do, is send the herd out.
What differences would you draw between H5N1 and, well, I don't know.
How would you designate this new flu, assuming it becomes human-to-human transmission, how would it be designated differently than H5N1?
H5N1 is our current one.
H5N1 is our current one. The one in 1918 was H1N1.
And the thing about it was, is that this one, the 1918 one, went ripping through the world and suddenly just mutated
itself and disappeared.
And disappeared?
And they think that, unfortunately, this one now, H5N1, is not, doesn't have, won't mutate out and disappear.
That it only has two little point mutations to do to become human to human.
So that's the problem is that it's the structure of the flu virus and the 1918 very quickly mutated itself into a non-infectious form and disappeared.
And they're afraid that this avian flu is not going to do that.
It's going to be around.
That's amazing!
H1N1 mutated in some way that simply meant that humans don't get it anymore.
What about poultry?
No, I mean, it just disappeared.
It just went away.
And, you know, as fast as it came, it was gone.
So, until just recently when we got the tissue from Alaska, no one had ever seen the virus or knew anything about its structure.
Once they got the virus and looked at the genetic structure of this virus, they went, this is different than the virus that we're looking at today.
All viruses do is that they melt into your cell and then they drop off their genetic message that hijacks a little bit of your DNA and makes your own DNA replicate more virus.
Exact copies.
I remember the great controversy when they went up north to get those bodies and those samples.
Were you against that?
Well, yeah, you know, I think it's NARPA, the Native American Act about repatriation of bodies.
I don't think it was right to go up and do that.
The biggest problem, I think, is that when they got the virus back and said, oh, wow, it's an avian flu virus, about six months after that, a German researcher said that they thawed out some frozen chickens that had died from the flu.
And when they thawed them out, the virus was still alive.
Oh my God.
Yeah, and I'm going like, oh my God, they went up and got, that's where they got the live, they didn't, the live virus was still inside of these bodies.
And they were frozen, and that's how they got the virus.
And now, who else is going to go and try to get some?
Alive after all that time, just, in other words, frozen and, uh... Happy.
They just stay, yeah, they'll stay frozen.
And that's what the German researchers said.
They said, but my God, freezing doesn't kill this stuff, because the theory was that, you know, you cold your chickens and then maybe you could freeze them right away and it would get rid of the virus.
Well, it doesn't.
You know, you have to destroy the chickens.
So the chances this year of it going human to human are roughly one in three, and that would stand for next year and the year after that as well.
It is, and while we're waiting for someone to come up with a virus or a vaccine, then the vaccine will require 12 times the amount of vaccine that we currently can produce, and will have to be available in two shots, and we'll only have to order six billion doses.
Six billion doses?
Yes.
Yeah, that's about the population of the world right now.
It sure is.
Alright, Dr. Gary C. Reidenauer is my guest.
When we get back, we're going to go to the phones and allow you all to ask whatever questions you wish.
This certainly is a frightening scenario.
The name of the book is Pandemic by Gary C. Reidenauer, M.D.
I'm Art Bell.
Dr. Gary C. Ridenoura is my guest.
He's written a book called Pandemic, and if you want to know how to get it, there's only one way that I'm aware of right now, so get out a pencil and paper, because you're going to want to write this down, and you're probably going to have to go to a website, so you get ready.
We'll talk about that when we get back in a moment.
Okay, doctor, welcome back.
Let me ask you once again where people go to get a copy of the book.
It is called, in one word, PandemicDirect.com.
Pandemic?
Direct.com.
Direct.com.
And they can order right on the website?
Right on the website, yep.
Okay.
Alright.
We're going to take some, well, one question before we do that.
Doctor, I've got, let's see, Steve in Clemson, South Carolina wants to know, what kind of warning we might expect before the flu actually is imminent where we are?
I mean, a week to store up stuff?
Will we have months or days?
Hours?
What?
It will probably come out, everyone expects it to come out of somewhere in Asia, quite possibly Indonesia.
And once we see it going human-to-human in Indonesia and the word gets out that this virus has mutated and become human-friendly, then we can look for, you know, maybe at the max, a couple weeks.
Possibility, a lot less, because There could be somebody on an airplane right now flying from Indonesia with it.
I mean, it's just, we travel so much.
750 million people travel around the world per year.
So, everybody's mobile.
It's not like 1918.
So, the possibility, the time limit is very short.
So, you might have a couple of weeks, you might have a couple of days.
You might have a couple of weeks, you might have a couple of days.
That's exactly right.
So, I guess that says prepare now.
Right.
Okay, here we go.
East of the Rockies.
Good morning.
You're on the air with Dr. Rodenauer.
Yes.
Hello, Art?
Yes.
Hi.
Thanks for another great show.
My question for the doctor is, I have heard about the medicinal and curative properties of sauerkraut and the enzymes in the sauerkraut.
I'd heard that it had been actually fed to chickens, infecting chickens in Asia, and it cured them of the flu, and I wanted to ask the doctor If he had heard of this.
Yes, and the sale in sauerkraut in the United States went up about 14% that week.
No kidding.
I'm really, I'm serious.
I have read about it.
I've not seen any follow up on that at all.
So I would save the sauerkraut for the bratwurst.
That's amazing.
I expected a solid no to that, but you had heard about that, eh?
Oh, yeah.
I mean, that was a very, very hot one, you know, along with the kimchi.
In theory, there may be medicinal things in sauerkraut, but I, you know, I really would think that I would move on and try something different.
Maybe we can settle something now.
I have heard it said that we have never cured a virus.
Is that true or not?
Basically, our vaccines just prevent the virus from infecting us.
The Tamiflu and the other neuramidases, the only anti-neuramidases, all they do is prevent the virus from breaking out and going and contaminating another cell.
It doesn't kill the virus.
So it reduces the viral load?
Yeah, it reduces your viral load so you get better.
You know, and that's it.
But even our viral, antiviral medication we got today, one-third of the patients it has no effect on.
Okay?
The virus just ignores it.
Right.
Let's go west of the Rockies.
You're on the air with Dr. Ridenour.
Hi.
West of the Rockies.
How are you?
I'm fine, Gary.
Good, good.
Thank you for another great show, Art.
You're amazing.
Gary, I'm really curious what you do for yourself.
What do you do for your own personal space, your own diet, your own travel?
How do you protect yourself?
You know everything about this.
You study it.
Share with us what you're doing for yourself.
I'm playing racquetball, trying to stay in shape.
I'm 59 years old, but I don't really look my stated age.
Watch my calorie intake, watch my fats.
I don't take any vitamin supplements at all.
I have little habits that I've, you know, just picked up over the time now, like walking through a store and somebody had to make coughs, you know, to make sure that I'm not going to be walking through that cough and inhaling it.
You know, holding my breath for a second as I walk through.
Good hand washing.
That's the most important thing.
You're handling money and things all the time that God knows where it's coming from.
So, you know, it's proper hand-washing.
Lots of times, you know, I feel like I'm starting to get something, take a couple Tylenol and start pushing liquids.
The average person is mildly dehydrated all the time.
So, when you get sick, you don't feel like drinking fluids.
So, you know, I tell my patients that when they get sick, make sure they pee clear.
That the urine is absolutely clear, which means they're hydrated.
That's right.
And basically that's about it, you know.
Doctor, I take quite a number of international flights between Southeast Asia and the U.S., between Europe and the U.S., and I've sort of come to the conclusion that it's impossible To take these flights without coming down with something fairly serious.
What would you do on an air... I've actually thought about wearing a mask on the plane, but then of course everybody's going to be looking at you with a sort of an eye like, what does he have?
So you tend not to do that.
I mean, what would you do?
Well, you know, it's going to get... I believe it's going to get to the point where people are going to start wearing like the NIOSH N95 masks on these flights.
When people used to smoke on flights, the plane circulated the air, you know, quickly because they wanted to get the smoke out of the plane through the filters and things.
When they stopped people from smoking on the flights, they saved money because they didn't have to run their air circulators as much.
My goodness.
Yeah, it was a cost-saving adventure.
You're saying the air was better when they smoked?
No, but they circulated it faster, and it cost more money to circulate the air, so by taking the smokers off the plane, they can cut down on circulating air.
All right.
All right.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dr. Reitauer.
You're Gary, I guess, in Fresno.
Another Gary.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Good evening, Art, doctor.
How are you?
Fellow Perumpian in the past.
I've lived on deer skin.
Okay.
Right down from your transmitter.
Yes, sir.
Anyway, homeopathic.
Are there any recommendations you might have?
Are there any homeopathic, say, I don't know, silver is good and pomegranate juice is high in antioxidants.
Would those products be of any value or benefit?
Of all the stuff that I've read, the homeopathic sector Has been relatively quiet about this virus.
There just hasn't been much out there about anything that could work.
I know people here in town that, you know, make up their own silver, whatever it is, you know, silver solutions and things.
Are you talking about colloidal silver?
Colloidal silver, yeah.
That's what I use is colloidal silver.
Does that stuff really work?
And if so, what does it really do?
I don't know if it does anything, but I know one thing, you've got to make sure you don't have any lead in it, because you're going to end up with lead poisoning.
So you've got to know who your manufacturer is.
But silver in high concentrations, such as in burn cream or silver nitrate, will stop bacteria from growing.
I mean, silvadene is a silver solution that some friends of mine invented.
Nothing grows in silver, Dean.
I mean, that silver just prevents anything from growing.
Not to prolong this, but I have a friend who's diabetic who had an ulcer on his foot, and he started topical applications of colloidal silver, and within a week it was gone.
Same theory.
The silver does inhibit bacterial growth, so he probably was on the right track.
I do the same thing here with, like I said, with silvadene on those kind of things, because it prevents bacteria from growing.
And in the old days, like I said, they used silver nitrate, which just got it stained, everything, but it worked also.
Very good.
Thank you very much.
All right, Connor.
Thank you very much.
I know you're Gary.
I should have said that.
On the international line, good morning.
You're on the air with Dr. Ridenour.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
I've almost grown up with this program.
It's good to be able to Talk to you.
I've got a couple of comments or a comment and a couple of multiple questions I guess.
First, you know, I've looked into this avian flu due to the fact that I've got young children and as soon as you have kids, you know, everything's amplified and your own mortality becomes a little bit more important as well.
But it's interesting, the doctor was stating his lineage and his heritage had some Grandparents who were, who passed away from, who had bird flu.
Yeah, the 1918 flu, yes.
What's interesting with that is the genetic code, as you mentioned earlier, being passed through generations.
He would also have that coding in his DNA.
So what would be interesting is in a study group, how he would be affected, how his body would mitigate the immune response.
That would be something that would be quite interesting to look into.
Secondly would be, you know, hand-washing absolutely.
Hold on, let's actually ask about that.
Would there be anything, doctor, that because your grandparents passed of that would mitigate this flu?
Actually, my mother didn't get it.
My two uncles did, and of course my grandparents died.
Probably what you would look at is what's called the GM blood typing.
And other than the ABO system, the GM system can be looked at in the DNA.
And if you look at the GM system, it'll tell you whether or not you're more likely to have viral or survive viral infections or not.
So that's a pretty sound theory that you're putting forward.
Okay.
Alright.
Further with that, you can look at the wrists and just common flu, hand-washing obviously and take a breath when somebody coughs or does something around you.
Looking just through obscure different remedies, what I've been able to find is that avian seems to grow rapidly in the intestine and possible ways of mitigating the Cytokine storm or the continuation of the viral growth in the body would be acidophilus, or I came across a DOD paper where they were looking at Maitake mushrooms as a possible, and beta-glucan is another, you know, all these fringe kind of treatments, but for example, the DOD, they put some serious money into Maitake mushrooms and certain enzymes, which
May possibly mitigate this.
Okay, we'll have to hold it there.
Doctor, had you heard anything at all about any of those as mitigating the virus?
No, I haven't heard.
I always have.
I put a lot of things to my acid test, which is if something, let's say like mushrooms, really work, then some multi-million dollar manufacturer would be making mushroom tablets right now.
Sure.
I mean, because there'd be a buck in it.
And so, you know, you hear about a lot of things going on right now.
And I just I haven't heard anything about the mushroom.
It's the same thing as this one, this new vaccine that we talked about earlier in the show that you said 12 years.
Yeah.
But they've claimed that they've got a vaccine that may be good.
They've only used it on 75 people.
And then there's a big disclaimer that says, don't get all excited about this vaccine.
So it's just It's the mendacity of the problem.
I mean, we hear things and then they disappear.
Well, the only thing I've heard you say, medicine-wise, that you would have on hand would be Rolenzo or Tamiflu.
Yeah, I would, and something to keep from inhaling the virus.
That would be about it.
The other problem is, too, is that a lot of people in 1918 died from secondary bacterial infections, too.
So having antibiotics would be a good idea too.
Our other problem is that a lot of people will probably lose 30 or 40 million people from the very simple fact that they won't be able to get their insulin or their high blood pressure medication or their heart medication.
Alright, Wild Card Line 1, you're on the air with Dr. Rudnower.
Hi.
Hi, this is Diane.
I'm calling from Long Beach, California, and it's my pleasure, Art, to speak to you.
And Dr. Tu, thank you so much.
Ironically, almost exactly two years ago, I called in and there was a show on chemtrails and I got through and spoke to George about it.
And I was wondering back then if there was a correlation with chemtrails and population control and a possible Diana, obviously the doctor isn't going to be able to comment on that.
Oh, okay.
Okay?
He's commenting, he's here to comment on the bird flu, the avian flu.
Yeah.
And, you know, none of us really understands what the implications of these things crisscrossing our skies would be.
So, that's kind of out in left field for what we're doing.
Well you know what's interesting is, I did say that on the air a couple years ago, and ironically the following day when I was driving to work, and my husband has even said this to me, he said, you know every time you tell this story it's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but I would like to say this because it's kind of scary even being on the phone and saying it again.
The next day I was driving to work, there was a black SUV following me, and I had said this on the air.
Diane, we're going to have to leave it at that.
I understand black SUVs and other things that you might see or imagine, but again, it's kind of off topic for us right now.
I think it's Margo, is it, in California?
Yes, it is.
It's an honor, Art, and Michael, and Gary.
Michael's the one who recruited me to go to CDC to help With the team to determine how HIV was passed.
I was the number one undercover operative and very successful in that venture.
Do you have a question for the doctor?
I sure do.
I have lupus.
I'm on leave of absence.
It's been 18 years now.
I have virtually no immune system.
What do you think, doctor, about my choline life?
And I do have his home number.
I can call him and offer my services as they are.
Well actually, I believe the doctor would say, doctor you can tell me whether this is so or not, that somebody with no immune system or very little immune system would actually be, with what you told me about this virus, in better shape?
Yeah, kind of a, theoretically, yes.
Kind of a leap of faith, though, because lupus is such a nasty disease and attacks so many systems that it would be hard to really sort out whether you survive because of all the medication you're on or the virus You didn't melt your lungs because you don't have an immune system anymore.
Because lupus usually, that's what lupus does, it eats your body.
It uses your immune system to chew yourself up.
So it would be an interesting situation, but I think that we're so far away from that right now, it's just kind of theoretical.
I suppose once there was a pandemic underway, People, of course, would try everything under the sun, the kinds of things you're hearing about this morning, as people call.
And, without a doubt, I suppose some of them would be found to help out, wouldn't you think?
There's a possibility, sure.
I mean, when Halley's Comet came back in the 1800s, they sold comet pills.
So, people would take pills to protect them from the comet dust.
So, you know, anything's possible and if we try enough stuff, you know, you may find something
that actually will work for you.
Comment pills.
All right, doctor.
Sit tight.
Thank you.
Again, the book is Pandemic by Dr. Gary C. Ridenour, and you can get it on the web at PandemicDirect.com.
PandemicDirect.com.
All right, we've got one more segment coming up, and indeed, this is scary stuff.
I'm Art Bell.
Dr. Gary Ridenour is my guest.
He's talking about the bird flu, the avian flu, but he's not the only one.
And if the Conservative Center for Disease Control has called it the greatest threat to mankind in the history of the world, then I guess you ought to pay attention too, eh?
In a moment, we'll get back to the doctor and your questions.
I'd like to add that it's been my pleasure to host for you four days this week.
It's been just an absolute blast.
This one a little scary.
Dr. Gary Ridenour is my guest and we're going to go back to phone lines right now to specifically Ray in Gainesville, Florida.
You're on the air.
Yeah, I'm on the radio station.
Good morning Art and Gary.
Hi.
What is the difference between a pandemic and an epidemic?
Two more questions.
Well, hold it.
One at a time.
One at a time.
Go ahead, Doctor.
Okay, an epidemic is more localized, okay?
Like, let's say it's, we'll make it simple, it's inside of like a country, okay?
Or it may be just contained in a town or something like that.
A pandemic is something where The infection is through the entire world, okay?
Everyone's been hit by it.
And that's the big difference.
Could the Illuminati be using this as a means of reducing the population of 500 million, as supposedly supposed?
Okay, he's asking about conspiracy theories and people who might be doing this intentionally, Doctor.
Well, the problem is right now is that You know, we talked about Ebola before, and both the United States and Russia tried to use Ebola as a bioweapon, and it didn't work out because of the high death rate.
I'm sure that somebody somewhere is looking at the avian flu as a possible weapon also.
The problem is with when you use a weapon like this, it's really dumb to use it if you don't have some way of treating yourself.
Suicidal.
Because you'll kill yourself too.
Okay.
Mutual assured destruction.
That's right.
To Tony in Wisconsin, you're on the air with Dr. Ridenour.
Hi.
Hey, dear Lord, how are you?
Just great, sir.
Thank you.
And Dr. Ridenour, how are you?
How are you doing?
Good.
Thank you for bringing this program to us.
You're very welcome.
Do you have a question?
Yes, I do.
I keep chickens.
How is it going to affect me?
Right now, the chickens, the only infected chickens are in Virginia and West Virginia.
I would say that, you know, at this point, you stay in contact with your county health people and find out if they're picking up any positive cases in your area.
If they start picking up positive Birds with the bird flu, and then I'd strongly suggest getting rid of the chickens.
Doctor, when we hear about countries destroying millions of birds, are they overreacting or is that just about right?
No, it's just, I mean, you just got to take every one of them out.
You know, there are places where they just went in with flamethrowers and just cooked everything and then saturated all the ground with a Clorox solution so that they would make sure that even the The droppings from the chickens were contaminated and a lot of places have plans not to reuse those areas for years until they're sure that all the virus is gone.
Well, if that's the reaction when the poultry has it, I wonder how much less it will be when the humans have it.
That will be a problem, too, is that, you know, you may see sick people.
During the plague, Families actually dragged their sick and dying relatives out into the street and left them.
Okay, rather than have them, because they were afraid they were going to get it, so they dragged them out in the street and left them out in the street to be picked up after they died.
So these, you know, it's very predictable that, you know, it will be just anarchy when this does start to really get going.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Rodnow.
Hello.
Hello.
Oh, hey Art and Dr. Gary, how are you?
Good, how are you?
I'm real sick.
I'm a Vietnam veteran.
I don't know if you're aware of this, but there's 26 million vets, 10% of the vets have hepatitis C, and of the 10% that's 2.6 million, 70% are Vietnam vets, and the age range most affected is 50 to 59, and it's a leading cause of a liver transplant.
And for the last 11 years, I've woken up every day like with the flu and a hangover, and I guess the next step is going to be a liver transplant, and that doesn't really look appealing.
And, you know, the aged people are trying to keep Hepatitis C as a STD, where it's really not, and they're trying to take the funding away, and there's been no effort.
Hepatitis C became Hepatitis C in 19... Okay, sir, do you have a question about bird flu?
Yeah, as a matter of fact, I'm curious because I just saw something where the Hepatitis C virus becomes the dominant virus in the body.
If another virus comes in, it takes it over.
Is that true?
Well, there are two different viruses.
The Hep C virus is predominantly in the liver.
This virus, well, let's just make a comparison.
If you're HIV positive or you actually have AIDS and you get Hep C, you're going to die because your immune system is so low that the Hep C is going to take over and just wipe you out.
Okay?
So if you've got Hep C right now and you would pick up the bird flu, I would think that that would just really shorten your lifespan.
First time caller on the line, Brian in Illinois.
Hello, how you guys doing?
Okay.
I just wanted to ask real quick, we're talking about viruses here and the doc had mentioned earlier about AIDS and how it's only transmitted at high temperatures, that being like 98.6 and I'm just wondering... No, I think that was birth... No, it was AIDS.
No, that was AIDS.
Yeah.
And I'm just wondering how does that work then with like frozen blood and needles obviously amongst drug users aren't kept at that high of a temperature so... That's a good point.
Yeah, that's a good point.
And I'm not sure how to answer that one.
Drug users, sometimes the virus is actually in the needle and they'll inject and hand the needle to someone else who will draw something into the needle and then inject themselves and there's not too much of a temperature drop with it.
Back today, our blood is pretty well screened and everything and I think, I'm not sure if freezing, I'm pretty sure freezing does kill it.
A lot of our cases at the very beginning were confusing because people were actually living a double life and would come up HIV positive and then claim it was from a blood transfusion when it actually wasn't.
Sure, sure.
So, it's kind of a smoky one.
I'm sorry I couldn't give you a very good answer on that one.
Okay.
Actually, that is a good answer and there was a lot of that going on.
Wildcard Line 1, you're on the air with Dr. Reitheimer.
Thank you.
Dr. Reitner, you're very well researched, and I agree with your facts, but I have a question.
We did not have viruses on planet Earth prior to the earliest vaccine research, and that research was done for bacterial diseases.
Are you aware that the bird flu is the same In one way, the origin as the Spanish flu in that the Spanish flu came about from the polluted vaccines given to the World War One soldiers worldwide.
So in other words, you're blaming these various viruses on vaccines.
You're saying there weren't any viruses until we had vaccines.
Is that about right?
Exactly.
Because the vaccines, the earliest, Edward Jenner with smallpox and all of those, they were looking at bacterial infections.
Look at all the old diseases.
Name one that was a virus.
There are none.
Well, you know, actually, viruses were here before we were.
They found virus remnants in fossils that go back three or four hundred million years.
I know there's a lot of conspiracy theories about the vaccinations and the rise of all kinds of other problems and things.
I, you know, I looked very carefully and in 1917 in Kansas, There were reports of chickens coming down with something they call RUUL, R-U-U-L, I believe it was.
And that was the early sick chickens with the bird flu.
And then they continued, then they went on to pass it on to human beings.
So I really can't blame a vaccination for a virus that's been here before we've been here and will probably be here after we're all gone.
Well put.
Wild Card Line 2, you're on the air with Dr. Reidenhower.
Hi.
Thank you.
A real pleasure hearing you out there again.
Thank you.
Doctor, this could be a real crazy question, but I'm 56, heavy smoker since I was 19.
I get very few respiratory That was an interesting situation.
In England, they, to prevent the virus, they promoted heavy cigarette smoking in the factories.
I mean, I swear to God, this is the truth, because I thought that might be a way to prevent it.
Probably what's really going on with you is, once again, you may have And this GM blood type, you may have a blood type that is not very susceptible to viral infections.
Okay?
So that's it.
I can't tell you, I mean I can tell you for sure, it's not the tar and nicotine that's saving you right now.
I tell you.
Not since I've quit smoking.
I'm a 46-year-old smoker.
I've been away from them for a month now and I've never heard so many positive things about tar and nicotine my whole life.
Wild Card Line 3.
New York City.
Good morning, gentlemen.
Thank you for an interesting show.
I wanted to give you a little information from the holistic realm.
You said you weren't aware of what was really going on.
Have you heard of Sambucol?
That's the generic term for basically an elderberry extract.
It's been tested.
There's a proprietary university in Israel that has done a lot of testing with it.
And it's been effective against killing the alien flu in cultures, and it's widely well-known for being great against respiratory illnesses, so that's something to explore.
Doctor?
Yeah, that's interesting.
I like elderberry wine.
I haven't heard from that, and I will, you know, make it You know, right after I get off the air here, get on the net and take a look at that.
And, you know, I would appreciate the update on that.
And I'd also like to thank the lady that sent me the email that said that I am full of crap.
She must know my wife.
Ease to the Rockies!
You're on the air with Dr. Ridenour.
Hello.
It would be Keith in Maine.
Yeah, hi.
This is Keith.
I was wondering if aquarium antibiotics would be safe to use in an emergency.
Is that an antibiotic?
No, let me carry on.
Caller, hold on a second.
You can go to a pet store.
Oh, okay.
And you can go and buy amoxicillin, which is intended for fish.
And so I think he's asking if that amoxicillin would be safe for a human to take.
I would, you know, first off, you've got to get the dosage right.
You know, amoxicillin for an adult would be about 500 milligrams three times a day.
I have patients here that shoot their kids up with cow penicillin and things also.
I would tend to say that, you know, the quality and the care put into it is not going to be as good as something that's been passed, you know, and approved by the FDA.
So, it'd be a little shaky.
You may not know what you're getting in there.
They sell 250, 500 milligram capsules.
Intended for fish.
250, 500 milligram capsules.
I was...
Hello, am I still on?
Intended for fish.
Yes, you're on.
I was wondering, I was thinking my theory on it would be that the fish would be like
a delicate thing like the canary in the mine.
It doesn't take much to kill the fish.
You can kill the whole tank real easy, and they might be safe, is what I was getting at.
Yeah, well, the thing about an antibiotic is that an antibiotic goes into your system, and what it does is that it causes the bacteria, it kind of screws with the wall of the bacteria, And allows the immune system to eat the bacteria.
Antibiotics don't kill bacteria, your immune system does.
So if you have no immune system, antibiotics won't work at all.
But I think that I try to stay away from the aquarium brand and you can probably get your doctor to load you up on some pretty cheap.
Okay, Tom in Dallas, Texas, you're on the air with Dr. Reitner.
Yes, I'd like to ask, Doctor, if this could be the illogical end conclusion of microbial husbandry.
Let's define that a little bit more, microbial husbandry.
Do you know what animal husbandry is?
Oh yeah.
Breeding to a higher state.
Right.
Eliminating the weak, let the strong survive.
Well, there's no doubt that what we're looking at here is an event that will Definitely level the playing field and thin the herd out.
There's no doubt about that.
Is it because of something that we have done?
It may be.
It may be because of the way we raise chickens today.
We jam them all together and it's very easy for them to contaminate each other.
But as far as any manipulation that we've done, I think this is just something that just arose on its own.
Okay, Doctor.
West of the Rockies, it'd be Mitch in Oregon.
Yeah, hi.
Doctor, the upcoming Olympics in China, the athletes' possible exposure now, would that increase the likelihood of a pandemic, A?
And B, what is China saying about that or are they ignoring it?
Thank you.
I'll take my answer off the air.
You guys have a good morning.
Thank you.
You too.
Okay.
China's really having a lot of problems.
You know, one, Having a lot of people coming into the country as tourists doesn't make them very happy, and having the bird flu there is also a great concern also.
And you're right, that could be a possible starting place of the pandemic, you know, that it'll get picked up by tourists and brought out of the country.
That's a good possibility.
It would be bad timing, that's for sure.
Oh, horrible.
Horrible, yes.
Very quickly, Dean in Oregon, you're on the air with Dr. Reidenhower.
Hi, thanks for taking my call.
Sure.
I kind of have a two-part question actually.
Is this something that's going to basically spread from bird to bird and then an individual person will catch it from a bird or is it going to break out into the human population and then we'll catch it from each other?
That's a good question.
Most of our cases right now is people have come in contact with a sick bird And then have, you know, got the virus and died.
In fact, most of them have died.
Our problem is going to be is that somebody may come in contact with the bird with the mutation that'll go human to human and that person will, you know, walk away from that bird and get sick and then it'll start spreading to other humans and away it goes.
How good a chance is there, once this mutation that makes human-to-human transmission possible, how much of a chance is there that we can stop it like that?
Quarantine it, whatever we have to do to stop it cold and not let it spread?
Well the problem is that the reservoir is so big it'll go into birds.
In Germany they've said that dogs may even be carriers and cats.
Crocodiles died in Vietnam from it.
Meaning, Doctor, they could carry the human-to-human variant?
Yeah, they may be capable of carrying the variant also.
So, quarantine and stopping it dead is just going to be probably an impossibility because, like I said, the mass is so huge that it'll find a way.
Nature always finds a way.
All right.
Well, and then the clock keeps ticking.
We're out of time.
Doctor, it has been such a pleasure having you on the air, even with such a scary topic.
The book is Pandemic.
It's available on the web at PandemicDirect.com.
That's PandemicDirect.com.
Doctor, thank you for being here.
I had a good time.
Thank you.
Good night, my friend, and a good time.
Well, I guess so.
Pretty rough stuff, but knowledge surely is better than walking in the dark, right?
It's been a pleasure.
I'm Art Bell.
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