Dr. Gary Ridenour warns of a looming avian flu (H5N1) pandemic with 60% mortality, lung-destroying cytokine storms, and confirmed human-to-human transmission in Sumatra/Turkey, despite global suppression of data. The CDC calls it humanity’s greatest threat, comparing it to the 1918 flu that killed 50–100 million and ended WWI. Ridenour reveals Bush’s 2006 UN-backed containment plan, dismisses Tamiflu and untested vaccines, and predicts infrastructure collapse within 12–18 months—food shortages, power failures, and fires raging uncontrollably. A mutated strain could spread via air travel, triggering quarantines and casket shortages, leaving survival dependent on self-prepared supplies. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the cosmos and all the time zones around the world, each and every one, covered by this program, Coast to Coast AM.
I'm Art Bell, filling in for George Norrie, who will be back next week to once again grace the airwaves.
Boy, we've got a lot of news for you tonight and next hour, and I want to warn you right now, and this is a warning, we've got a well-respected doctor, Dr. Gary C. Riddenauer, M.D., who has studied the bird flu, and he's going to scare the hell out of you.
He certainly scared the hell out of me.
He sent me a copy of his book, and I read it, and I called him right away, and that's how he's on tonight.
So that'll be in the next hour.
I have been waiting years to say this to you, and what an honor it is to be able to bring you the news tonight.
Solar, attention to ham operators, solar physicists have been waiting for the appearance of a reversed polarity sunspot to signal the beginning of the next solar cycle.
What I'm reading is from Space News, the wait's over.
A magnetically reversed high-latitude sunspot emerged today, marking the beginning of solar cycle 24, and the first step toward a new solar maximum.
Intense solar activity is not going to begin right now.
Solar cycles usually take a few years to build from solar minimum, but it is pretty quick.
That is to say, where we are now, to solar max expected in 2011 or 2012, albeit a slow journey, but we're on our way.
So once again, solar cycle 24 officially beginning today, January 4th.
Now, Fox News sucks.
That's what I think.
You know, this is just ridiculous.
Ron Paul, a man I've interviewed many times, got more of a percentage by a lot than Rudy Giuliani.
But Fox News won't let him in the debate.
What the hell are they afraid of?
Or what are, I mean, I hope if they've got sponsors, I hope they drop.
It's just not right.
What are they afraid of?
Ron Paul is a fascinating man with fascinating ideas.
He's got every right to be heard.
He's earned the right to be heard.
He's made more money than a lot of them.
And he's got more percentage of interest from voters than a lot of them.
So what can possibly be the reason to keep Ron Paul out?
Come on, Fox.
Fair and balanced, though?
Isn't that what you say?
Fair and balanced?
Is that really what you want people to think that you're fair and balanced?
Nothing fair, nothing balanced about keeping Ron Paul out.
So, you know, what I would say to all of you, whether you're a Ron Paul supporter or not, send them an email.
Tell them what you think.
Are they afraid that new ideas might be heard?
Are they afraid the American people might wake up?
Are they afraid that some of the other Republican candidates might suffer a deficit because Ron Paul says something the American people want to hear?
Come on, fox.
Anyway, in other political news, Senators Hillary Radham Clinton and Barack Obama drew two distinct paths to the White House for raucous New Hampshire Democrat Party activist Friday night.
She's tested, she says, and ready to stand a ground against Republicans.
While he's prepared to build a new majority that'll put Democrats into power.
The two messages delivered just a day after the Iowa caucuses that gave Obama a victory and Clinton a stunning third place finish received boisterous receptions at the state party's annual fundraising dinner.
They also featured the contrasting visions that candidates have, not only for political success, but for governing as well.
Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich filed a complaint with the FCC on Friday after ABC News excluded him, fellow Democrat Mike Lavelle and Republican Duncan Hunter from its prime time debates on Saturday.
Kucinich argues ABC is violating equal time provisions by keeping him out of the debate, noted that ABC's parent, Walt Disney Company, had contributed campaigns involving the four Democrats who were invited.
Big trouble in California.
In fact, I had him call my guest to be sure he had power.
About a million don't.
Howling winds, pelting rain, heavy snow pummeled California on Friday, brought down trees, flipped big rigs, cut power to more than a million people, brought down a lot of ham antennas, I'm sure, forcing evacuations in mudslide-prone areas.
Flights were grounded, highways closed in Northern California, gust got up to 80 miles an hour during the second wave of an Arctic storm that sent trees crashing into houses, cars and roads, forecasts expect the storm to dump as much as 10 feet of snow in the Sierra Nevada by Sunday.
It's all coming this way right now.
Well, al-Qaeda is now beginning to use women as suicide bombers.
Maybe they're running out of men.
Certainly, they're increasingly desperate.
So, while Muslims generally have women in a second-class sort of place, they're right out there out front with the bombs.
White House Bush administration considering some sort of economic stimulus package in face of rising unemployment, deterioration in the economy, and all the rest of it, that means tax cuts.
Haven't decided yet for sure, but if he's going to do it, State of the Union address coming up January 28th would be the time to announce it.
Brittany Spears, if anybody cares, has lost custody of her children.
Even visitation now.
I don't know.
I'm sick of that story.
Anyway, listen, we're going to go to unscreened open line calls here in a moment.
I want to get out my email address.
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And when I do, you've got to turn your radio off immediately.
All that in mind, we'll be back in a moment with some more news.
With respect to what I said about Ron Paul, it's only fair to note I am a registered libertarian, have been for a long time.
But that doesn't change anything.
I've said that no matter what.
Maybe I said it with a little more enthusiasm, but it's wrong to keep them out.
Astronomers are puzzling hard over a powerful cosmic explosion that appears to have detonated in a region of empty space, very far away from any nearby galaxy.
Well, it might have been the death cry of a star that was born from debris strewn out of a past galastic dust up.
Six spacecraft around Earth and Mars detected a powerful volley of gamma rays lasted about a minute on 25 January 2007.
Such explosions called long gamma ray bursts are thought to be caused by massive stars exploding and their cores collapsing into black holes.
But this one came from an area where there was virtually nothing.
As carbon dioxide levels rise on Earth, oxygen levels fall, since we all breathe oxygen.
How will this affect us?
Will the Earth end up as a lush jungle of CO2 breathing plants, no humans or animal life around at all?
On the SciTech website, Mike Johnston reports that a 20-year study by the Scripps Institute is showing that carbon dioxide produced primarily by burning fossil fuels accumulates in the atmosphere.
Available oxygen is decreasing.
We're losing three oxygen molecules in our atmosphere for each carbon dioxide molecule produced.
Three for one.
You might want to think about that.
Toshiba.
Toshiba has developed a new class of micro-sized nuclear reactors that are designed to power individual apartment buildings or city blocks.
The new reactor, which is only 20 feet by 6 feet, could change everything for small remote communities, small businesses, or even a group of neighbors who are simply fed up with power companies and want more control over their own energy needs.
Listen to this.
The 200 kilowatt Toshiba designed reactor is engineered to be fail-safe, totally automatic, won't overheat.
Unlike traditional nuclear reactors, the new micro reactor uses no control rods to initiate the reaction.
The new revolutionary technology uses reservoirs of liquid lithium-6.
That's an isotope that is effective at absorbing neutrons.
The lithium-6 reservoirs are connected to a vertical tube that fits down into the reactor core.
The whole process is self-sustaining and can last up to 40 years, producing electricity for about 5 cents per kilowatt hour, about half the cost of grid energy.
Toshiba is saying they expect to install the first reactor in Japan in 2008 to begin marketing the new system in Europe and America in 2009.
You know, I thought they had released all the UFO files in Britain, but lo and behold, the British government is soon to release previously classified details regarding hundreds of reported sightings of UFOs.
The Sunday Telegraph said on Sunday, not surprisingly, that this upcoming spring, the Defense Ministry is going to release to the general public about 160 files that allege UFO sightings.
Nothing shocking, I guess they say, but very, very, very interesting.
Good reason to have Nick Pope on again, I'm sure.
All right, to the phones we go.
West of the Rockies, top of the morning, you're on the air.
And I'm going to actually have him start with what a virus is.
You know, go right down to the basics, spend just a very few moments on that so that even those who are not medically inclined will be able to sort of follow along as we discuss this.
And you'll better understand why this is so incredibly scary.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hello, I wanted to say thank you so much for bringing up Ron Paul and talking about that.
That's a huge shock to me because I've been waiting for anybody to mention anything about Fox News and nobody has.
In previous years, when we had the debates, you know, Ron Paul's been excluded before, and there may have been, you know, He may not have had enough interest, enough whatever, and so they could use that as an excuse to exclude him.
But maybe there's nothing like that right now.
There's no reason.
In fact, there's every reason to be inclusive of Ron Paul.
unidentified
I think it's funny, and they shot themselves in the foot, and it's just going to draw more people's attention to the truth.
I honestly, honest God, I think it has something to do with the fact that he's got some revolutionary ideas, some things that would cause perhaps the other candidates to be a little bit uncomfortable if they had to respond to it, that sort of thing.
Don't we need a little bit of that in America?
From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
I'm warning you, the guest at the top of the hour is going to scare the hell out of you.
Let me read you the letter that he wrote me, sent it here to the House, along with his book.
Dear Mr. Bell, been a fan of your show for years, was on Coast to Coast about a year ago.
My subject was a coming avian flu pandemic.
It'll be here soon, and no one is prepared.
I was with a team from the University of Arizona to go to Vietnam with a novel drug to use on the early flu victims.
Unfortunately, three days before we were to leave, their government dropped off the radar screen for a month.
When they reappeared, they said everything was fine here, there, rather.
The virus is now in 90 countries and has mutated human to human in two countries.
300 million people to 1 billion people will die in the first year.
The infrastructure will wink on and off for 12 to 18 months.
80% of our medications come from other countries and will not arrive.
The virus kills 60% of the people from ages 20 to 40.
That's 60%.
President Bush has signed agreements with the U.N. to allow them to militarize the U.S. and run it.
I've written my book.
It's enclosed.
Because of its unique way of approaching what will happen and how to think about survival, I think it needs a little more coverage.
Gary C. Rittenauer, M.D. Picked up the phone right away and called him.
He'll be here at the top of the hour.
If you can't stand bad news, you'll want to tune out.
Well, I kind of think the same thing, that there would be too much trouble for, in other words, some of Ron Paul's ideas are so radical and so interesting and so cool that the other candidates would have no idea how to respond to it.
unidentified
Exactly.
Exactly.
And he's probably one of the most honest people we have out there.
I'm just so tired of all this cookie-cutter politician type.
You know, it's the same thing over and over again.
And then you finally get somebody, and I can't believe they will never even mention his name.
You know, on the left side, he's very interesting.
Who would think that Barack Obama could win in white Iowa?
It doesn't get much whiter than Iowa.
So, you know what?
If he can win in Iowa, then when it goes on to the southern states, people are going to, I think, jump on board.
unidentified
That's quite possible.
I think he does have a large support.
I mean, he's a populist, apparently.
But, you know, he talks about change a lot.
You know, that he's going to bring about change.
Well, the real change, I think, if we had Ron Paul in there, he'd really clean house.
I mean, that's what they're scared of, you know.
One other thing, real quick, Art, I wanted to mention, yesterday on Thursday, here in the Midwest, just like near St. Louis, was the worst day I've ever seen for chemtrails.
They were out from morning until dark, just crisscrossed back and forth all day long.
You know, I would like to know what they're trying to do with chemtrails.
Is it an attempt at climate modification?
Is it an attempt at mass inoculation of some sort?
In other words, what do you think they're doing?
unidentified
Well, I think it probably does have something to do with climate change, with what they think they're doing probably is combating global warming.
But, you know, I tend to agree with the people who believe global warming is not caused by what we're doing, but by the sun, by undersea volcanoes, perhaps, and things like that.
I mean, we're definitely undergoing some warming.
But I don't think the government should be up there putting all these chemicals in the air.
I mean, what happened yesterday, it turned the entire sky by late afternoon was nothing but a white haze over the entire, from one end to the other.
But it was just constant day, all day long.
If anybody would look up, they would just see them crisscrossing X's giant plus signs.
Recently in Time magazine, I read yet again, another man found something to do in a foreign country, so to speak, found his calling and is able to go all out to help these people.
Now, to my point, during one of the 30 or more visitations from these great guys that have been coming around to see me, I had the opportunity to ask them, what were crop circles?
And they said it's religious graffiti from one of the other alien races.
You know, I'm not a Ron Paul supporter, but I listen to what he has to say, and I think the man has the message that the American public needs to hear.
But, you know, with this thing with Fox, it just kind of brings forth something I remember seeing on the net a long, long time ago.
And they said that Russia had a Pravda, and the U.S. shadow government has Fox News.
So if truckers out there could just really please be careful.
My second thing is if people out there could please sign the back of their licenses and donate their organs, because I am a double organ transplant recipient.
I have a pancreas and a kidney.
And for my transplant, I had to go through three pancreases before I got a good one.
In fact, if we don't keep Dolly out of her room, she will jump up and sleep with Asia and protect her, but at the same time, perhaps wake up once or twice during the night and do the cat kneading thing, you know, with the paws and wake her up.
So she loves to be with her so much that we've got to keep that door closed.
unidentified
Oh, that's sweet.
I mean, I'm a big cat lover.
We spoke about cats over the years, and Dolly is just very adorable.
There, of course, have been some recent motion pictures suggesting all sorts of things that disturb people, but no, I hadn't heard about an abduction.
That's new.
unidentified
Well, I mean, if Jesus really did all those things, it sounds to me that Quite possibly, since she was a virgin, supposedly, that maybe some sort of abduction by intelligent beings may have taken place.
Well, this is going to be quite the program, and I warn you that if you're disturbed by scary things and don't want to hear them, turn it off now because this is going to be scary.
Gary Rittenauer attended Harem College, Harem College, and was at Woodstock in the Kent State shootings.
He attended medical school in Guadalajara, Mexico, was one of the main characters in the movie Bad Medicine written by a classmate.
He ran his own clinic for the poor out of a Catholic church clinic, sometimes sat and read up on a problem with the patient in the room.
Dr. Ridenauer did his internship in Regina, Saskatchewan, and then moved on to St. Louis for his residency in internal medicine.
Later, he set up the Critical Care Fellowship Program and was the first fellow.
After training, Dr. Ridenauer ran the emergency room, that would be a biggie at St. Louis City Hospital, where he saw a murder a day, a rape a day, two gunshots to the chest a day.
In 1975, he set up the first freestanding rape treatment center at City Hospital and was citizen of the year in 1980.
He decided to go west in 1980 and arrived in Fallon, Nevada, right here in Nevada, in 1981.
During the Reagan years, Naval Air Station Fallon grew into the premier fighter weapons school in the world and boasts of being the home to Top Gun.
Dr. Rittnauer has been heavily engaged in the leukemia cluster in Fallon and has co-authored four papers on that subject.
He probably is the only citizen in the U.S. who can say he turned an aircraft carrier toward home, made sure everyone got antiviral medications on the way.
His current interest is in educating everyone on the threat of the avian flu.
And one last time, this is going to be rough stuff.
But if you want to hear the truth, stay tuned.
We'll be right back.
Dr. Rittenauer, welcome back to Coast to Coast AM.
Before I even get to that, is there a difference that you can describe between, say, the common flu, the rhinovirus, and this horrid virus we're going to talk about tonight?
Is there a difference that one could actually talk about?
Yeah, there's quite a difference with the avian flu, especially what we call H5N1, which is the designation which we'll talk about later.
But regular flu viruses come, follow the rule of parasites, which is rule number one is you don't kill your host.
You just spread and move on.
The avian flu currently is killing about 60% of the people who come in contact with it.
And we hope, we don't hope, but we think it's going to mutate down to maybe 10% before it really becomes a pandemic.
The problem is with this virus is that once it gets into our lungs, into our lungs and into the cells in our lungs, our immune system looks at the virus, overreacts, and actually dissolves our lungs.
In other words, its structure is immune Systems look at things like a virus and read the structure of the virus and then decide what they're going to do with it and how they're going to get rid of it.
When it sees the structure of the avian flu virus, it looks at it as being an ultimate foreign body and just attacks it, and as a result, causes what we call a cytokine storm, which is a trigger of a whole bunch of chemicals released to go after the virus, which unfortunately kills the surrounding lung cells also.
You know, CDC last year came out and made a statement that after 20 years of handing out the flu vaccine, they hadn't reduced the death rate for people over 55.
And they said maybe we should be giving it to the children so that they won't spread it on to other people.
And then they backtracked this year and said, oh, it cut down the number of people that were admitted to hospitals in a 55 and older, so we should still be giving it.
So there was quite a bit of hocus-pocus about, you know, our current vaccine.
Plus, the current vaccine is always a year behind what the current virus is.
Well, that was the original theory was to give it to people over the age of 55 so that the flu wouldn't trip off their other disease problems becoming worse and having them die.
After 20 years of looking at it, last year they said, we don't think that's really what's happening.
And so because when you get your flu shot this year, you're not really getting the virus that's going to be coming around that year.
Two years ago, I had my flu shot, spent five days in the hospital with the flu, because the virus was different than what the vaccine was made for.
You know, once again, we're having a problem with the vaccine.
There's a lot of controversy with the vaccine.
Our biggest problem is that our current method for making the flu vaccine is 50 years old and requires us to take a chicken egg that's fertilized, put a little hole in it, put the virus in it, patch the hole, let the virus grow, then take the virus out and then purify it and make sure it's not active and then make a vaccine out of it.
And there was last year, the year before, they had trouble with a lot of eggs and had to throw them out and the vaccine was late getting out to the market.
The problem is with the avian flu virus is that you put it into the egg, it kills the egg.
If Kimchi really worked and somebody had some good studies to show it would work, the big pharmaceutical companies would be selling kimchi pills today.
I mean, if you go into, like, use your browser and put an alert on there to look for the word avian flu or bird flu every day, and you'll get an email that shows you things all over the world that there's new outbreaks here, there's new outbreaks there.
China just came back out again and said, we've got another outbreak again.
But, of course, the Chinese have claimed that they've only lost six people due to the flu.
And when the first two countries came out and said, you know, we've got the flu, then the Chinese finally came out and said, oh, yeah, we've had it too for six years now.
And, well, in a communist country, that, you know, you have to get together and vote on that.
You know, so it's like everybody in favor of six, put your hand up.
So we don't know how many years it's been in China, but they have thrown everything against it and the virus has mutated.
Well, the CDC, which is traditionally very conservative, has actually said the avian flu is the greatest threat to mankind in the history of the world.
Then they were buried in permafrost, And they recovered lung tissue and brought the virus back and found out that it was a bird flu.
And unfortunately, the CDC has now reactivated that virus, which is currently the deadliest virus in the history of mankind, and they're going around handing it out to laboratories for them to test it.
Doctor, the bird flu, and I'm sure a lot of people in the audience have heard the reports, appears to pop up here and there in Asia mostly, although I guess it's in Europe and all over the place now, but not human-to-human transmission.
We have this year at least three clusters that we know of that appear to be human-to-human.
The problem is that they're in undeveloped countries, and by the time everybody gets there and starts looking around, things are pretty well covered up or have disappeared.
The main reason is that Indonesia is probably one of the worst ones.
Indonesia, every other month, decides not to let anyone see their virus anymore because they're afraid that we'll find that they have a virus that has mutated human to human, and they don't want to be the first country in the world to be quarantined, which would be an economic disaster.
You know, that's the problem is, is that the 1918 avian flu had a death rate of maybe 5 to 10 percent.
Currently, this avian flu with a death rate of 60 percent isn't going to go into a pandemic because of the fact that people will go down and die so quickly that it won't be spread.
Basically, this is an infection of all countries in the world.
An epidemic is an infection in your country or in your area.
A pandemic means, you know, it's all over everywhere.
And there's been lots of them in history before.
And so it's not very surprising that it's going to happen again.
But the problem is today is that once we have a pandemic, the industrialized countries or the countries that are more advanced will take the hardest hit.
Well, in fact, I got a couple of emails from people that it's part of the conspiracy of the New World Order and it's a hoax and so on.
Quite frankly, in my book, I have the government plan, the national strategy for pandemic influenza.
And if you read our government plan, it is so crappy and hokey that you have to understand that this is not a hoax, that these people think that this plan is really going to work.
I'm saying there are people who think that just the fact that you're saying that the bird flu exists and will become a pandemic, the whole thing's a hoax.
In fact, in Europe last year, or actually this year, they killed so much poultry that the grocery stores reported that they had about a 20% drop in incomes last year because of loss of revenue because there was no poultry to sell.
Well, they've said by the numbers, by the time, like I said, they get there, for example, in Pakistan, there was, I believe, a number of brothers.
One was a veterinarian, he got sick and then passed it on to two other brothers who died, and they hadn't been in contact with anyone with the bird flu.
And they were quite concerned that this may have been a straight person-to-person transmission.
Unfortunately, by the time everyone got there, the dead had been buried, and that was the end of it.
Our problem is today is that so far in the entire world, I think we've only had about two autopsies of people who have died with the bird flu because of cultural and distance problems and things like that.
Well, it's because of the ability of this virus to mutate and the way it goes about killing people.
They compare it to the 1918 avian flu pandemic, look at this one and said, you know, it's no longer an if, it's now a when.
One other group has quoted that the probability is one chance in three of it becoming a pandemic.
It's just that it doesn't stop.
It just keeps coming.
It's not seasonal anymore.
At first, they thought it was going to go with the migratory bird patterns.
That's not happening anymore.
It's moving with commerce.
A form of the bird flu appeared in England earlier this year, and it actually went human to human, but it just made the people sick with the flu symptoms.
And they thought they had it completely contained and said, wow, we've done it.
The next thing you know, it's in West Virginia.
And then Virginia, and now it's in Canada.
So it's moving with commerce.
We also have problems with, there's a lot of people in the world who smuggle birds.
And bird smuggling, a lot of these birds are sick.
So they smuggle them around, and we have no way of controlling that either.
But yeah, all the experts, especially Dr. Michael Osterholm, who if you go on the internet and look up SIDRAP, C-I-D-R-A-P, they follow it very, very closely, the University of Minnesota.
And he's kind of the prophet.
Four or five years ago, he was saying, this is bad.
This is not good.
A year or so on the news, they had somebody from WHO and somebody from the CDC, and they quoted Osterholme and Osterholm, they said, you know, two years ago we thought this guy was crazy.
Well, it is, and this virus, we have lots of other viruses, but this is not like this one.
In fact, a very surprising thing just happened about a week ago is that in, I believe it was Missouri or Mississippi, I think Mississippi, they had a number of pigs that became ill, and they found that they had a virus.
They looked at the virus, and it was a pig virus which had picked up the avian flu virus, and that avian flu virus mutated with the pig virus.
And that's the first time that's been seen before.
And they've done a lot of studies to see whether or not it would transmit human to human, and it hasn't.
The problem is that the pig is a virus cooker.
Pigs are quite physiologically similar to human beings.
And so viruses cook in pigs and often go from a pig to a human, and then the flu will take off.
So this was a big surprise.
Every time we look at one area and we think everyone's got kind of a handle on what's going on, then we turn around and now we've got a bird pig virus that's popped up.
A good example is that the Pakistanis I was talking about, one gentleman, one brother was from New York City, flew to Pakistan and buried two of his brothers and flew back to New York and didn't feel well at all and went to an emergency room and was immediately isolated because they were afraid that he may have contracted the bird flu and had,
you know, they were afraid that he was on two or three different airplanes.
The people in those planes had gone off to other airplanes and within a day or two, you would have 10 or 15,000 people already contaminated.
So it would move very fast.
The Ostraholm says that when it hits the United States, and if it's really going to be as bad as we think it is, we will be out of caskets in the first week.
Two, the people that make the caskets will be dead, sick, or staying home.
The supplies for the caskets won't be there.
That was one of the problems in 1918 is that the survivors of the flu had their lifespan reduced by almost 15 years because of the amount of damage done to their organs.
Yeah, that's the thing is that the Ebola is the same thing.
It gets loose in one area.
just kills the whole village and it's over.
But our little avian friend just...
Well, Ebola is more of a hemorrhagic fever, and the morphology or the structure of the Ebola virus is very different than the physical structure of the bird flu virus.
And for that reason, it doesn't have the characteristics to mutate as much as our bird flu friend.
First off, resistance is almost one-third of the patients just normally with the flu.
In China, Tamaflu did not work at all.
Just recently in Japan, they've been using a lot of Tamaflu, and they had four teenagers commit suicide from one dose of Tamiflu because of unbelievable hallucinations when they took the Tamaflu.
And so they've taken a big step back on Tamaflu now and said, you know, this is probably not going to work.
And we've got flumedine, which is another one, and Ralenza, which is another one.
And it's, you know, the Tamaflu manufacturers are in Europe, and they pulled back delivering Tamaflu to the United States for a while and said, we're going to keep it all in one big pile.
And when the flu breaks out, then we're going to send all that antiviral medicine to that one country to control it.
That would be complete chaos.
I mean, you'd be paying $200 for a Tamaflu tablet because, you know, it would be hijacked right away and only the rich would get the medication.
And currently, it's not the drug of choice.
Even on your website today, you had a mention of a new vaccine that's coming out.
And that new vaccine is, let's see, I think it's AccuFlu A, I think it is, by Aventis Corporation.
And you look around on this one and you go, whoa, new flu vaccine that could be a good against A and B. And you read the results and I read four or five different articles and they've only used it on 72 people.
And I said, oh, wow, it looks pretty good.
And then I found that it has a safe harbor statement with it now that says that forward-looking statements like may, will, could, forecasts, expects, predicts, so on and so forth are really not fair because further research may be unpredictable.
In other words, don't really put too much weight into what we're talking about right now.
Well, H5N1 was the 1918, and it came in three waves.
And it came out of, for some reason, we think it came out of Asia, but where it really started cooking was in Kansas and in the military bases in Kansas.
And it got over to, it went from Fort Lewis, and then it rode with the trains, with the troops.
And of course, in those days, they shipped the chickens live until they were processed because they really didn't have a good way of freezing them and so forth in 1918.
So the chicken containers went all over the country and things.
Within a day or two of being exposed in 1917, people were starting to get sick.
They called the three-day flu.
And then the second and third wave hit.
By spring 1918, you could go down, you could be dead in just a few days.
Okay, when you say waves, you're talking about waves.
So, I don't know, you and I are in Nevada, for example.
So if this thing began to move, that going in, began to move, you're suggesting it would come through past Nevada, get however many people take it's going to, and then keep going, and what?
Go around the world and then back to Nevada or around the country and back to Nevada or what?
One of the fears is that this may become the predominant flu for the next 10 or 15 years, that it may come in a wave and then disappear, and then next year come back in a stronger or less strong version and may keep coming in back and forth.
In 1918, they did note that they started making people in the United States wear a cloth mask.
And they didn't have funerals.
They didn't want people to get together.
They stopped meetings and parades and everything.
And they found out that the virus came into a town with a horrible death rate.
And within a week to 10 days, it was gone.
And so, like I said in my book, the best theory is that if you can stay indoors for 10 days and stay away from everybody, you've got a good chance of surviving it.
The problem is that the damage to the infrastructure will be we'll lose power first, electrical power.
And because electricity is brokered every day, and the brokers will be dead, sick, or not be able to get to work, or they'll be staying home with their kids because the schools will all be closed.
And the people that deliver the fuel or run the plants won't be there.
And so, you know, we'll get a rolling blackout that will take out most of the country.
And from there, then, you know, communication goes down.
So you think the, I guess then, also the first responders, those in ambulances, clinic workers, hospital workers, they're going to go first, aren't they?
Yeah, the first thing is that once we lose power, we lose fuel.
And if you saw in Oklahoma when they got hit with that big ice storm, people with big manual pumps trying to pump gasoline or fuel out of the ground so that they could take it to the water department so they could keep the pumps running so they could keep up water pressure.
And so, you know, without power, we don't have fuel.
And your first responders go, 80% of our drugs for hospitals and everybody in the United States come from other countries.
That stuff won't be coming.
When the power goes out, all of our aircraft navigate by radio signals from the ground.
They won't be able to get around because there won't be any power.
So that goes down the chutes.
So there's no medication.
The outside of the hospitals will have lines of people trying to get in who are sick.
Only the ones that are coughing up blood will actually be brought in.
They will be given morphine to make them comfortable until they pass away.
And like England has already picked out buildings to use as temporary mortuaries.
And then once the buildings are full, they're going to set them on fire and burn them.
You know, so our waves are quite different than what we get here.
But it usually comes in the regular flu virus usually comes in the winter because the mutation of the virus happens over in Asia, which at that time of the year, it's their spring.
So it's their spring there, and it's our winter here, and the virus is on its way.
I've always been curious about why it all seems to come out of Asia and probably Southeast Asia more than anything else.
So we'll address that when we get back.
We're going into a break.
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Good morning.
A virus that kills 60% of the people it infects between ages 20 and 40.
My guest is Dr. Reidnauer, and we're talking about the bird flu.
We'll get right back to it.
I've always wondered, and I guess I really know the answer to this question, but I'll ask it, Doctor, why Southeast Asia, China, why do most of the flus seem to begin there?
Oh, that's why they're saying that it's going to happen, is because the viral load is, well, it's from, geez, you can start from England and go all the way to Asia.
Back, the Russians, when it was going through Russia a year or two ago, the Russians came up with a great idea, which is they opened up a duck season early to shoot the migratory birds down, which was disastrous.
But a lot of places have different ideas on it, and that's the problem with the cultural problems that are holding us back from ever being able to control this thing.
Well, one, I'd have to realize that I wouldn't be able to help or take care of anyone.
I wouldn't be able to treat anyone.
If they come in coughing blood up and things, they're probably going to die.
I would be overwhelmed with the ill and dying.
If I packed up and went home, people would come to my house and come out and demand that I try to do something for them, which I would not be able to do.
And the only thing I would be able to do is to take my family and go somewhere and ride it out until the worst is over, then try to come back and pick up the pieces.
That's what I'd have to do because there's nothing that I could do to help anyone with it.
And it's better to try to survive with your family and ride it out until it's gone by.
We were talking before about this, about telling people that, well, I have a generator and I've got lots of guns and I've got lots of lights and da-da-da-da and all that.
When people start talking about how much stuff they have, when the avian flu hits, you painted a target on your back.
Because people, when this hits and things go bad, people are going to have no food, they're going to have no heat, no light, and they see a real bright place down the road.
Probably would, you know, stock up, take some, maybe some Tamiflu Ralenso long.
Also, make sure that, you know, I've got everything prepared.
I was just during the break just found something that is from SIDRAP again, C-I-D-R-A-P, and it's very interesting.
It's from Montgomery County Health Department.
And they have something called a, let's see, it's called a, because we're going to be overwhelmed and things, it's a home health kit.
And what it is, it's called the Home Care Influenza Tool Kit.
And you can pick this up on the net, and it tells you about how to prevent from being infected, how to prevent transmission between people, and guidelines, how to take care of people at home.
And that's what we're going to have to do.
There is a mask that is approved to wear, which is called a NIOSH, N-I-O-S-H N95 mask.
But even wrapping something around your face two or three times will probably, a bandana type thing will probably cut down on inhaling the virus.
Why is this bird flu so likely to become airborne, which is of course so awful and accounted for the 1918 pandemic, as opposed to through bodily fluids, for example?
Well, this virus, because it's got such a massive infection in the lungs, the human lungs, if you take them out and open them up and lay them out, they will fill a tennis court.
And so that's an awful lot of surface area.
So that virus is in there, and when you start to cough, it's going to be coming out of those lungs.
And it's a very, very small virus, so it spreads well.
People sneeze.
Some people can get up to 150, 200 mile an hours, 200 mile an hour sneeze and can actually blow a virus 10 or 15 feet.
Yes, but again, there is a difference between, if you look at AIDS, for example, I believe it is well generally known, it is only spread by bodily fluids, intervenus, drug users, that sort of thing.
Current research on this virus under optimal conditions, let's say if it is in bird dropping and the temperature stays fairly warm, let's say in the mid-60s or 70s, 39 days.
10% of everything that China ships out goes to Walmart.
So of course they claim that there's no, the virus is not over there, really, because if they had a horrible outbreak of the avian flu, then communism has failed.
That communism is not working because they can't control the health of their people.
And your problem is that you will have a lot of defections in your military of people wanting to go home to get to their families or army units that are going to try to get out of the country by crossing the border into another country.
You'll have border wars.
They've got a better chance of controlling the population, but at the same time, it's really difficult to control your military because they want to take off.
Well, that's what they're looking at is that 1918 was estimates go from 50 to 100 million died in about a year, and with about maybe 5 or 10% death rate.
And so they figure that with the current population in the, you know, Russia and China, especially China and Asia, have gotten really into raising chickens and pigs and really gotten into raising these animals, that that's how we come up with the number that the CDC says 100 million, and people like Dr. Osterholm said worst case scenario will be 1 billion.
we don't have any research on any of these things about increasing the immune system, but it would tend to make sense that if you up your immune system, you might have more lung damage than you'd want to anticipate.
They would just basically strap them to the bed and try to get anything to make them comfortable because their oxygen levels would go so low, they would turn a very bluish-black color, hallucinations.
In one account that I read, one man managed to drag him and his bed to a window and go out the window and committed suicide.
And the same thing would happen here is that the high fevers, the heat, I mean high fevers, a cough, shortness of breath, heart rate going up, bleeding, that would be the big signs.
A lot of places now, a couple of years ago they talked about it, that if you are coming on an international flight, there are sensors now that check your body temperature, and if you have a fever, they pull you over.
And in fact, in the last two months, in fact, somebody had their, they did the laser temperature and even took their blood pressure before they got on the plane, and they're saying, oh, we have no problems over here.
No, you'd be off to quarantine until they could find out what's going on.
And the problem is, is that, for example, Indonesia, if they want to check for the avian flu, the samples, most of the time, are shipped to Hong Kong because Hong Kong's got the lab that can do the testing.
For a while, in Vietnam, they kept saying, well, the bird flu is not present here and it's not present there.
And the testing kit they had was defective.
And they got new testing kits and found out the bird flu was in other areas that they thought were clear.
So, and the other thing is that once they, you know, let's say that they find a virus, a virus and they think it's going human to human, then you have to pack it in some sort of a bomb-proof, crash-proof container to fly it back to the United States or somewhere to look at it.
Because one of the fears is that you're taking this thing on an airplane, the plane goes down, and the virus gets out.
They get to other countries, and other countries look at it, and they'll say, we don't think, maybe their method of analyzing the genetic structure is not the way that we do it.
So we always tend to get different sort of answers to the problem.
Before we were talking about the three waves of flu in 1918, two of the waves in 1918 were never reported because the military thought it was bad for morale during the war.
And in the meantime, the Germans lost so many people from the flu that they suddenly in late 1918 turned around and looked back to Germany and said, wow, we don't have any recruits.
We've lost a whole lot of people that make all the weapons and bullets and things for us.
They're gone.
We've got to find a way of suing for peace because we're out of the war.
So they went ahead with the armistice and then the Treaty of Versailles.
Yeah, I would say that international flights are over.
Professional, anywhere where people are gathered together, such as schools, universities, sporting events, like baseball games, football games, all of those things will be gone.
The other thing, too, is that we would be, some countries would be forced to shoot down private planes trying to sneak back into the country or sneak From their country into their country, or sink boats coming in because they've been told not to come in and they're still trying to get to shore to get away from the infection.
Yeah, we're talking about what countries are going to do when this breaks out.
And I had to hold publication of my book for about a month because I had to throw an added page into the back of the book and get it to the publisher, which is that President Bush last year signed the North American Plan for Avian and Pandemic Influenza in Canada and basically has turned over the United States to be managed by the United Nations
if the bird flu gets that bad in the United States.
And from the time there was a serious outbreak of this bird flu, how quickly would we be looking at the kind of disastrous infrastructure meltdown you're talking about here?
Well, the loss of electrical power would be in the first week or two, and then that would just start the meltdown because A week or two once the pandemic hits us.
Look at for New York City, four days without power, the entire subway system is flooded.
They pump 30 million gallons of water out of the subway system a day to keep it dry.
And four days, the subway system is flooded.
Four days without electrical power in New York, it'll take them a year to put the fires out.
The thing of it is, is that we have to be prepared for it because it has happened before.
In my book, I mentioned that 75,000 years ago, a volcano blew up in Indonesia, and the population of the humans on this planet dropped down to just a few thousand because of about a five-year winter.
And so it's happened before, and it's going to happen again.
And so being prepared for this is what you should be doing.
And you look at Katrina, and the problem was that no one was prepared for what was going to come.
You have to have a way of cooking the food and preparing it.
You have to take one small room and get all the blankets and everything in there to make it a sleeping and maybe even a living type area so that you can keep it warm.
You have to have battery-operated flashlights.
A lot of people today have those little solar-powered lights in their yards.
I've played with those and I can recharge four to six AA batteries in one day of sunshine.
Well, I was about to say, you said earlier that, you know, if you're the one with the solar power, you're the one with the stock of food, somebody's going to come and take it away from you or try to.
Well, that's why you have to be a black hole in the night.
In other words, you're there, but no one can see you.
I mean, you've got the windows covered up and things so that no light gets out there.
So it looks like you're not even home.
You know, that's the problem is that you just have to hide.
I remember one time here, we were talking about a flood happening, and we were talking to a couple of our friends that were Mormons, and they said, well, we have all the food.
And my friend was the other doctor here in town, said, yeah, but we got all the guns.
Well, it's kind of a tossed-up question because in the wintertime when it's cold, people tend to congregate more in the house, and so they spread the bug between each other.
So it might be to the disadvantage if you're staying indoors a lot and the family is all going out different places and that and then bringing the virus back to the house and passing it around.
So as in summertime, you'd be better just to kind of just hang outside around the house.
Either way, the same problem is that social isolation is going to be the answer, whether it's summer or winter.
Well, two, three years ago, about three years ago, I was with a group of researchers from the University of Arizona who had a medication that they thought might work.
And they had some very good connections.
And We were going to go to Vietnam to try the experimental medication.
So I started really reading up on it and everything.
And about three days before we were going to go, the Vietnamese government just kind of dropped off the radar screen.
And when they reappeared a month later, they said, everything's fine here.
We have no problems.
So we never went.
So I continued to follow the progression of the bird flu.
And then I started thinking about writing the book.
And then it hit me that my mother was an orphan at three years of age.
And then I'd heard just bits and pieces of the story.
And I realized that in 1918, my grandmother and grandfather died from the 1918 bird flu and left my mother as an orphan.
And they never talked much about it afterwards.
And so I did some researching, and I went, wow, this is really hitting me now because I never got to meet my grandparents.
And, you know, they said as fast as it came, it was gone.
And so until just recently when we got the tissue from Alaska, no one had ever seen the virus or knew anything about its structure.
Once they got the virus and looked at the genetic structure of this virus, they went, this is different than the virus that we're looking at today.
All viruses do is that they melt into your cell and then they drop off their genetic message that hijacks a little bit of your DNA and makes your own DNA replicate more virus.
Well, yeah, I think it's NARPA, the Native American Act about and repatriation of bodies.
I don't think it was right to go up and do that.
The biggest problem, I think, is that when they got the virus backed and said, oh, wow, it's an avian flu virus, about six months after that, a German researcher said that they thawed out some frozen chickens that had died from the flu.
And when they thawed them out, the virus was still alive.
They said, we went, my God, freezing doesn't kill this stuff because the theory was that, you know, you cold your chickens and then maybe you could freeze them right away and it would get rid of the virus.
And while we're waiting for someone to come up with a virus, Or a vaccine, then the vaccine will require 12 times the amount of vaccine that we currently can produce and will have to be available in two shots.
We're going to take some, well, one question before we do that.
Doctor, I've got, let's see, Steve in Clemson, South Carolina wants to know what kind of warning we might expect before the flu actually is imminent where we are.
And once we see it going human to human in Indonesia and the word gets out that this virus has mutated and become human friendly, then we can look for, you know, maybe at the max a couple weeks, possibility a lot less because there could be somebody on an airplane right now flying from Indonesia with it.
I mean, it's just, we travel so much.
750 million people travel around the world per year.
So everybody's mobile.
It's not like 1918.
So the possibility is the time limit is very short.
Yeah, basically, our vaccines just prevent the virus from infecting us.
The Tamaflu and the other neuramidases, the only antineuramidases, all they do is prevent the virus from breaking out and going and contaminating another cell.
I'm 59 years old, but I don't really look my standard age.
Watch my calorie intake, watch my fats.
I don't take any vitamin supplements at all.
I have little habits that I've just picked up over the time now, like walking through a store and somebody ahead of me coughs, make sure that I'm not going to be walking through that cough and inhaling it, holding my breath for a second as I walk through.
Good hand washing.
That's the most important thing.
You're handling money and things all the time that God knows where it's coming from.
So just proper hand washing.
Lots of times I feel like I'm starting to get something, take a couple of Tylenol and start pushing liquids.
The average person is mildly dehydrated all the time.
So when you get sick, you don't feel like drinking fluids.
So I tell my patients that when they get sick, make sure they pee clear, that their urine is absolutely clear, which means they're hydrated.
Doctor, I take quite a number of international flights between Southeast Asia and the U.S., between Europe and the U.S. And I've sort of come to the conclusion that it's impossible to take these flights without coming down with something fairly serious.
What would you do on it?
I've actually thought about wearing a mask on the plane, but then, of course, everybody's going to be looking at you with sort of an eye, like, what does he have?
Well, you know, it's going to get, I believe it's going to get to the point where people are going to start wearing like the NIOSH N95 masks on these flights.
When people used to smoke on flights, the plane circulated the air, you know, quickly because they wanted to get the smoke out of the plane and through the filters and things.
When they stopped people from smoking on the flights, they saved money because they didn't have to run their air circulators as much.
My goodness.
Yeah, it was a cost-saving adventure by...
No, but they circulated it faster.
And it cost more money to circulate the air.
So by taking the smokers off the plane, they could cut down on circulating air.
I don't know if it does anything, but I know one thing, you've got to make sure you don't have any lead in it, because you're going to end up with lead poisoning.
So you've got to know who your manufacturer is.
But silver in high concentrations, such as in burn cream or silver nitrate, will stop bacteria from growing.
I mean, Silvadine is a silver solution that some friends of mine invented, and nothing grows in Silvadine.
That silver just prevents anything from growing.
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Not to prolong this, but I have a friend who's diabetic who had an ulcer in his foot, and he started topical applications of colloidal silver, and within a week it was gone.
I've got a couple comments and a couple of multiple questions, I guess.
First, I've looked into this the avian flu due to the fact that I've got young children and as soon as you have kids, you know, everything's amplified and neural mortality becomes a little bit more important as well.
But it's interesting, the doctor was stating his lineage and his heritage had some grandparents who passed away from, who had bird flu.
My two uncles did, and of course my grandparents died.
Probably what you would look at is what's called a, it's called the GM blood typing.
And other than the ABO system, the GM system can be looked at in the DNA.
And if you look at the GM system, it'll tell you whether or not you're more likely to have viral infections or survive viral infections or not.
So that's a pretty sound theory that you're putting forward.
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All right, Colin.
And just further with that, you can look at the risks and just common flu hand washing, obviously, and take a breath when somebody coughs or does something around you.
Looking just through obscure different remedies, what I've been able to find is that avian seems to grow rapidly in the intestine and possible ways of mitigating the cytokine storm or the continuation of the viral growth in the body would be acidophilus.
Or I came across a DOD Paper where they were looking at mitachi mushrooms as a possible and beta-glucan is another, you know, all these fringe kind of treatments.
But for example, the DOD, they put some serious money into mitachi mushrooms and certain enzymes, which may possibly mitigate this.
I always have, I put a lot of things to the my acid test, which is if something, let's say, like mushrooms really work, then some multi-million dollar manufacturer would be making mushroom tablets right now.
The other problem is, too, is that a lot of people in 1918 died from secondary bacterial infections, too.
So having antibiotics would be a good idea, too.
Our other problem is that a lot of people will probably lose 30 or 40 million people from the very simple fact that they won't be able to get their insulin or their high blood pressure medication or their heart medication.
Ironically, almost exactly two years ago, I called in.
There was a show on chemtrails, and I got through and spoke to George about it.
And I was wondering back then if there was a correlation with chemtrails and population control and a possible obviously the doctor isn't going to be able to comment on that.
Well, actually, I believe the doctor would say, Doctor, you can tell me whether this is so or not, that somebody with no immune system or very little immune system would actually be, with what you've told me about this virus, in better shape.
Kind of a leap of faith, though, because lupus is such a nasty disease and attacks so many systems that it would be hard to really sort out whether you survived because of all the medication you're on or the virus you didn't melt your lungs because you don't have an immune system anymore.
Because lupus, usually, that's what lupus does.
It eats your body.
It uses your immune system to chew yourself up.
So it would be an interesting situation, but I think that we're so far away from that right now.
Now, I suppose once there was a pandemic underway, people, of course, would try everything under the sun, kinds of things you're hearing about this morning, as people call.
And without a doubt, I suppose some of them would be found to help out, wouldn't you think?
Again, the book is Pandemic by Dr. Gary C. Reidnauer.
And you can get it on the web at pandemicdirect.com.
PandemicDirect.com.
All right, we've got one more segment coming up, and indeed, this is scary stuff.
I'm R. Bell.
Dr. Gary Reidnauer is my guest.
He's talking about the bird flu, the avian flu, but he's not the only one.
And if the Conservative Center for Disease Control has called it the greatest threat to mankind in the history of the world, then I guess you ought to pay attention to, eh?
In a moment, we'll get back to the doctor and your questions.
I'd like to add that it's been my pleasure to host for you four days.
This week has been just an absolute blast.
This one a little scary.
Dr. Gary Reidnauer is my guest, and we're going to go back to phone lines right now to specifically Ray in Gainesville, Florida.
You're on the air.
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Yeah, on this high radio station.
Good morning, Art and Gary.
Hi.
What is the difference between a pandemic and an epidemic?
Well, the problem is right now is that, you know, we talked about Ebola before, and both the United States and Russia tried to use Ebola as a bioweapon, and it didn't work out because of the high death rate.
I'm sure that somebody somewhere is looking at the avian flu as a possible weapon also.
The problem is with when you use a weapon like this, it's really dumb to use it if you don't have some way of treating yourself because you kill yourself too.
Right now, the chickens, the only infected chickens are in Virginia and West Virginia.
I would say that, you know, at this point, you stay in contact with your county health people and find out if they're picking up any positive cases in your area.
If they start picking up positive birds with the bird flu, then I'd strongly suggest getting rid of the chickens.
No, it's just, I mean, you just got to take every one of them out.
You know, there are places where they just went in with flamethrowers and just cooked everything and then saturated all the ground with a Cloro solution so that they would make sure that even the droppings from the chickens were contaminated.
And a lot of places have plans not to reuse those areas for years until they're sure that all the virus is gone.
That will be a problem, too, is that, you know, you may, you know, see sick people.
During the plague, families actually dragged their sick and dying relatives out into the street and left them.
Okay, rather than have them, because they were afraid they were going to get it, so they dragged them out in the street and left them out in the street to be picked up after they died.
So these, you know, it's very predictable that, you know, it will be just anarchy when this does start to really get going.
If you're HIV positive or you actually have AIDS and you get Hep C, you're going to die because your immune system is so low that the Hep C is going to take over and just wipe you out.
So if you've got Hep C right now and you would pick up the bird flu, I would think that that would just really shorten your lifespan.
I just wanted to ask real quick: we're talking about viruses here, and the doc had mentioned earlier about AIDS and how it's only transmitted at high temperatures, that being like 98.6.
And I'm just wondering, how does that work then with like frozen blood and needles, obviously, amongst drug users, aren't kept at that high of a temperature.
And I'm not sure how to answer that one, that we do, drug users, sometimes the virus is actually in the needle and they'll inject and hand the needle to someone else who will draw something in, into the needle, and then inject themselves.
And there's not too much of a temperature drop with it.
Today, our blood is pretty well screened and everything.
And I think, I'm not sure if freezing, I'm pretty sure freezing does kill it.
And a lot of our cases at the very beginning were confusing because people were actually living a double life and would come up HIV positive and then claim it was from a blood transfusion when it actually wasn't.
Actually, that is a good answer, and there was a lot of that going on.
Wildcard line one, you're on the air with Dr. Reidauer.
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Thank you.
Dr. Reitenauer, you're very well researched, and I agree with your facts, but I have a question.
We did not have viruses on planet Earth prior to the earliest vaccine research, and that research was done for bacterial diseases.
Are you aware that the bird flu is the same in one way, the origin, as the Spanish flu, in that the Spanish flu came about from the polluted vaccines given to the World War I soldiers worldwide.
In England, to prevent the virus, they promoted heavy cigarette smoking in the factories.
I mean, I swear to God, this is the truth, because they thought that might be a way to prevent it.
Probably what's really going on with you is, once again, you may have in this GM blood type, you may have a blood type that is not very susceptible to viral infections.
So that's it.
I can't tell you if, I mean, I can tell you for sure it's not the tar and nicotine that's saving you right now.
I would, you know, first off, you've got to get the dosage right.
You know, amoxicillin for an adult would be about 500 milligrams three times a day.
I have patients here that shoot their kids up with, you know, with cow penicillin and things also.
I would tend to say that, you know, the quality and the care put into it is not going to be as good as something that's been passed and approved by the FDA.
Yeah, well, an antibiotic, the thing about an antibiotic is that an antibiotic goes into your system, and what it does is that it causes the bacteria, it kind of screws with the wall of the bacteria and allows the immune system to eat the bacteria.
Antibiotics don't kill bacteria.
Your immune system does.
So if you have no immune system, antibiotics won't work at all.
But I think that I try to stay away from the aquarium brand, and you can probably get your doctor to load you up on some pretty cheap.
You know, one, having a lot of people coming into their country as tourists doesn't make them very happy.
And having the bird flu there is also a great concern also.
And you're right, that could be a possible starting place of the pandemic, you know, that it'll get picked up by tourists and brought out of the country.
Very quickly, Dean in Oregon, you're on the air with Dr. Reidnauer.
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Hi, thanks for taking my call.
Sure.
I kind of have a two-part question, actually.
Is this something that's going to basically spread from bird to bird and then an individual person will catch it from a bird, or is it going to break out into the human population and then we'll catch it from each other?
Most of our cases right now is people have come in contact with a sick bird and then have got the virus and died.
In fact, most of them have died.
Our problem is going to be is that somebody may come in contact with the bird with the mutation of going that'll go human to human and that person will walk away from that bird and get sick and then it'll start spreading to other humans and away it goes.
How good a chance is there, once this mutation that makes human to human transmission possible, how much of a chance is there that we can stop it like that, quarantine it, whatever we have to do to stop it cold and not let it spread?