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Oct. 26, 2007 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Brendan Cook & Barbara McBeath - Ghost Voice Recordings - Evelyn Paglini - California Wildfires

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be upon the planet and all its time zones, so prolific and covered ever so well by this program, Coast to Coast A.M. It's my honor and privilege to be filling in for George on this Friday night, Saturday morning.
		Great to be here.
		And let me cover a couple of things, a couple of housekeeping things right up front.
		The bells are all fine.
		There are no photographs on the website.
		My webcam is up, but it's not being carried over by the Coast to Coast AM site.
		So I guess you'll not see any photos.
		There is one up there of Asia taken, oh, I don't know, last week or so.
		But again, it's not being carried over to the Coast to Coast AM website yet.
		It may be during the program.
		We'll see.
		And if so, it'll be a few days old, a week or so old of Asia, and she's just great.
		Could not be better.
		All the bells well, furred and non-furred.
		Listen, coming up, of course, I'm going to be doing Ghost to Ghost as we do every year.
		This year, however, we're going to do Open Line, Ghost to Ghost.
		Last year we tried screening, and so this year I thought we'd try open lines.
		And on that same note, those of you who have a really good ghost story, please feel free to email it to me.
		Keep it short, sweet, usually a good punchline at the end.
		And if you've got a really, really good ghost story, look, I guess I should say I take the idea of life after death, and therefore ghosts, as a very, very serious subject, as you'll find out as the evening goes on tonight.
		And so for me, it is a very serious subject.
		And though we're going to do open lines on the subject on Halloween, I would ask that you all refrain.
		If you don't have a good ghost story, just sit back and listen, because there are many who do.
		But if you would like to email one, I will read various ghost stories as we go through the evening.
		So you can email them to artbell at mindspring.com.
		That's A-R-T-B-E-L-L at mindspring.com or artbell at A-O-L.com.
		I think the MindSpring holds a little more mail, so you might give that the preference.
		And I'll take the best of the bunch and read a few to you as we do Halloween Eve.
		Actually, into Halloween, right?
		Well, of course, it has been a horrendous week for California.
		Absolutely horrendous.
		I've seen all of the coverage.
		I watched the coverage as it unfolded, mostly KABC, actually, ran it in high definition, and so did KNBC, and I flipped between them.
		And the coverage was excellent of a really horrible event, just horrible.
		And as we now know, assisted by the hand of man.
		I think it may have been the second day of the fires when we began having tens of thousands of people displaced from their homes.
		And it was obvious we're going to lose 1,000 homes or more.
		It's been that.
		Nearly a million ultimately, I think, relocated temporarily.
		It was horrible.
		It was as horrible as I don't even know what you would compare it to, perhaps, the horrible hurricane that hit Louisiana.
		I don't know.
		It was just horrible.
		And I'm so, so sorry for those of you who lost everything.
		The heroics of the firefighters, I just was riveted by every moment of it.
		And I guess about the second day, I realized, oh, oh, my God, she did it again.
		And I think the best way of illustrating that is to take you back several months when I had Evelyn Paglini on the show.
		And I picked three separate little clips that I think say it better than I ever could.
		I mean, this is a woman who predicted hundreds of thousands displaced due to the flooding of the hurricane and has hit so many.
		I mean, how many soothsayers over the years, remote viewers, psychics have I had on the program?
		Have any of them ever come even close to what this woman has done?
		No.
		Not even close.
		I now take you back several months.
		Listen carefully.
		The weather, it's completely bananas all over the world.
		In the near term, in the next year or two, if you would look ahead for us, and is there any way you can tell what's coming?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, as far as the weather is concerned, the one thing I'm worried about, and I've been getting this a lot, and it's not just here in the state of California, even though I'm here.
		I am picking up devastating fires, and I'm talking about tens of thousands of acres on fire, not only here in the state of California, but like I said, in other states.
		But what's bothering me, in fact, I'd even ask your audience and those people, especially in the state of California, that maybe they can help out because I am picking up that a lot of this is going to be done by arson.
		In art, I keep getting, I'm not seeing them clearly, but I keep getting three or four men and I only see them kneeling down.
		And so I can't tell a lot about them, but they have got plans.
		And they're not just in the state of California.
		They're in other states, and they are going to start major fires.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you feel any motive?
		In other words, why?
		I've always wondered what it is.
unidentified		Deliberate.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Deliberate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I've got that.
		But I mean, is it just to get the attention, Evelyn?
		Is it some sick?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		This is not a sickle.
		This is a planned operation, and I don't understand that it's not coming in clear enough.
		I'm getting snapshots.
		I'm getting images.
		And it's just not giving me enough, but I've got enough to put it out there now.
		And that's why I'm asking the help of your audience, especially those in the state of California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The program went on, and I tried to sort of turn her away or toward another subject.
		Here's another clip.
		You talked about fire.
		You saw a lot of fire in the year ahead.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and there's fires going on now in Florida and in Georgia.
		We've had some in California.
		And this is only going to increase as the year progresses and as we get into summer.
		We're going to have massive fires, tens of thousands of acres.
		Thousands of people are going to have to be evacuated.
		Thousands of homes will be lost.
		But more than that, Art, what I'm worried about is we have a killer heat wave coming in.
		And it's going to come in more than once.
		I don't know if it's back-to-back, but I have got a killer heat wave coming in that is really going to cost the lives of an awful lot of people besides power outages and blackouts.
		And I also feel it's not just here in our nation, but it's also in Europe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Also in Europe.
		Of course, Europe had one.
		We had one in Chicago that killed many.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I've got two of them coming.
		I just don't know if they're back-to-back.
		But this is horrendous, and it will also contribute to the fires.
		And don't forget, there also will be arson connected to some of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you made a very strong point about many of them would be arson.
		Yes.
		If there's a big heat wave, particularly in the West, every year there's been arson.
		We've had arsen every single year.
		And so you're saying this is going to be worse than...
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And I got the next 18 months because I had, like I said, a couple of groups that were doing planning.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		So over and above what will naturally happen because of the drought and the dryness and the lack of rain, there will be a couple of groups of people who are intentionally going to be doing this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then again, once again, several months ago, well, you're here because you've done it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've just done it again.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Unfortunately, these fires that I have been seeing are going to continue, Art.
		I wish they would abate, but they're going to go all the way into November.
		And we've only just begun to see the beginning of this.
		There are still going to be thousands of more people that are going to be evacuated across this nation.
		There are serious, serious fires that are still going to continue, and it will last all the way into November.
		Thousands and tens of thousands of acres will still be burned, and hundreds of people are going to lose their homes.
		There's so much suffering art that I am seeing this year that it's really bothering me.
		I don't want to make these predictions.
		I want to make warnings.
		I just want to tell people what I feel is going to happen so that they can protect themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been saying it again and again and again.
		And she's done it again, obviously.
		Dr. Evelyn Paglini, parapsychologist, is one of the leading authorities on the occult and the supernatural in the U.S. She was born into a centuries-old family of practitioners of the cult.
		At the age of four, her grandfather began teaching her natural magic.
		She is a psychic, obviously, but a physical teacher, lecturer, consultant, doctor of divinity, and spiritual warrior.
		She also founded International Psychic Center, a research investigation organization, and has been called upon by expert law enforcement agencies.
		She has set precedent in the Texas court system on child abuse cases with ritual overtones and has worked with law enforcement on missing persons and murder cases involving the occult and the supernatural.
		In a moment, once again, Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
		Once again, because she did it again, here is Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
		Evelyn, welcome back to the program.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much for having me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand you've been under the weather, so.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's, boy, it's really good to have you here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can only imagine, as this week began and then wore on, how it must have hit you.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It was like a nightmare come true, and it was something that I did not want to see.
		But I don't know what to say.
		All I can tell you is that it's not over yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wasn't the only one who got hit with this.
		It hit me on the second day.
		Oh, my God, Evelyn has really done it again.
		You know, there are fires every year in California, but not anywhere near this magnitude.
		It's the magnitude that you forecast.
		And so I started getting emails like crazy, Evelyn.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't want to be right.
		I mean, no one wants to see this kind of damage, this kind of suffering, this kind of loss.
		And I was right about the arson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And I'm still going to be right because he's not done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you made your original prediction, Evelyn, you talked about three people.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, three or four men.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three or four men kneeling down.
		That's right.
		You still hold to that?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
		And what I don't like, as I believe I mentioned before, that this was planned and executed.
		And I feel that these plans are continuing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I might again ask you this, and I'm sure that I've asked you this before, but as the number of times that you are correct in these things grows, people really do want to know how these things come to you, how they manifest to you.
		Do you see them as video visions or is it something you feel?
		Or how do they come to you?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I would say the video visions would be very good.
		It comes in snatches.
		It comes sometimes in seconds where you will get a snapshot of a scene and then it will continue on.
		It's almost like it's making a small movie.
		And this happens over a period of weeks.
		And then as it becomes clearer, it seems to accelerate and give you more detail or more insight.
		But it can happen at any time of the day or night.
		It can happen if I'm reading a book or watching television or, you know, just talking to someone.
		I never know when it's going to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you have no control over it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I have no control.
		I never know.
		In other words, I don't ask for it to come.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Evelyn, has this happened all your life or has it intensified in recent years?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's happened all my life, but I basically stay into the magical end because I am a spiritual warrior and that's what I've always been called upon.
		I've made warnings and predictions in the past that have come true when I was in Chicago.
		I've had a lot of write-ups.
		But I steered away from it.
		But 2004, I believe I talked to you about this.
		I made a switch.
		It seemed like I was getting these signals, these warnings, and I wasn't hearing it from anyone else.
		And I said, I'm going to have to talk about it.
		I have to.
		And so I kind of sidetracked a little bit about talking about the elements of natural magic and psychic self-defense and mirror magic and, you know, how to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I said this a little earlier in the show, Evelyn.
		I've had all kinds of soothsayers, you know, psychics, remote viewers, people who make various claims to knowing the future, but no one's come anywhere even close to the kind of, you know, your record is just spotless.
		And that's not good because most of what you've had to say, of course, has been scary stuff, and it's manifested.
		So it's been hit after hit after hit after hit.
		And so I'm almost afraid.
		And by the way, a lot of people who emailed Evelyn asked that you say something about our economic future.
		You know, oil just went sailing over $90 a barrel.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, $92.22.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And people are very worried about their economic future and the future of the country, as a matter of fact.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I think they already know.
		They just don't want to put voice to it like I don't want to give it energy.
		The economy is not just slowing down, Art.
		And I've been warning this since 2005.
		And now we are talking about a recession where I have been talking recession.
		Now others are talking about it.
		And I've warned about the housing foreclosures.
		And you can see that is definitely escalating.
		People are losing their homes.
		The credit crunch has already begun.
		The domino effect is taking hold.
		You're going to have people losing their homes, bankruptcies up, foreclosures.
		And now you're going to see layoffs and cutbacks and people losing their jobs.
		And so therefore, no, the economy is in trouble.
		And as far as housing is concerned, because I've had a lot of people ask me about this, I don't see a turnaround until spring of 09.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's stay with the fires for a second.
		You said they would continue through November.
		Well, we're just about there.
		Yeah.
		Is it going to let up for a period?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It'll let up, but I feel that there's going to be another one that's either late November or early December, although I am worried about one fire here that may continue to burn for about three weeks or longer.
		So I don't know if we're going to get a handle on one of them.
		But see, I keep getting this feeling, and I got to be wrong.
		I got to be wrong.
		But I'm going to say either this year or next year, I want in California, especially here in Southern California, I want the Hollywood Hills watched.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Hollywood Hills.
		Yeah.
		A number of people had comments when one of the fires was named the Witch Fire.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I heard that.
unidentified		So the Hollywood Hills, huh?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I hope I'm wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope you're wrong, too.
		But based on how long...
		But you've been making psychic predictions now on this program for how many years?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be 11 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		11 years.
		That's an awful lot of predictions that have come true.
		Is there anything else looking ahead that you see?
		Well, you see the economy.
		I guess we all see the economy.
		And you've hit the fires, unfortunately.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And they are going to continue through November, possibly into early December.
		There is going to be another tragedy or disaster before the year is out.
		I'm not sure if it's fire or if it's something else, but I am picking up that there is going to be another tragedy before the year is out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But not the nature of it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't gotten it clear enough yet, Art, but as soon as I know, you will know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As soon as you know, please get hold of me immediately, and we'll find a way to get it on the air, I can assure you.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		One more thing, Art, if I may.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you certainly may.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Please, I'm from the state of Illinois originally and from Chicago.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And I want to say this because I want anybody in the state of Illinois and anybody who thinks about this man to put a shield of protection around him, and that is Barack Obama.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I feel that there is people out there, there are people out there that wish this man harm.
unidentified		Well, I. Not very serious harm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I certainly hope that one doesn't come true.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I don't want it to come true, and that's why I'm putting it out now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so extra protection for that man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure he's getting Secret Service.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure he is, but Again, I want to emphasize it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Evelyn, are these visions how much of a burden?
		I mean, you're not well now.
		I don't know what the nature of your illness is, but you're not well now.
		And whatever it is, I would imagine these visions are an extra burden on you, aren't they?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		The last time we talked, I said the Virginia Tech took its toll on me.
		And I said that that wasn't done.
		And I'm so glad that there was an interruption and one was found that did have guns and explosives.
		And so that was throttled and stopped.
		But I feel that there is going to be a continuation.
		I said evil is on the rise.
		It is not going to change.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it right there.
		Hold it right there.
		We'll be right back.
		George was just asking generically if we would marry a robot.
		No, but I just did get an email from Ed's mom, whoever that is, saying, attention.
		Aliens are coming to abduct all the good-looking sexy people.
		Your ass is safe.
		I'm just emailing to say goodbye.
		We'll be right back.
		Tell you what, since we're talking with a woman who is able to so accurately predict the future, let's ask a little bit about the nature of it.
		Evelyn, the future.
		Now, you know, here you are, the best psychic we have, but you're also into magic.
		And when you see something like Virginia Tech, a hurricane that's going to displace hundreds of thousands, firestorms that are going to sweep across California in the way they did, just thousands and thousands of people affected.
		Is there any way that the future can be modified, changed, at all?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you can, mass consciousness.
		The experiments that you have done, if they are focused and done correctly, can be a great benefit.
		People listening to their own intuition, their own psychic ability, which their consciousness is being raised, people now are getting warning signals and are starting to heed them, and that certainly is going to be a benefit.
		So there are many ways that you can alter.
		Forewarned is forearmed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, then if you were able to pin down the next major disaster, which you have not yet done, you see it coming, but you don't know quite what it is yet.
		But if you did, then it really might be worth a mass consciousness experiment, which I don't jump lightly into, to try to alter it.
		Of course, I suppose if we did that, people would say, well, you know, it was never going to happen anyway.
		But that issue aside, you've hit so many on the head that I think it would be probably worth a try.
		And I don't jump into those experiments lightly.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Neither would I. But if I felt that there was something that really needed our attention, I certainly would try it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any feeling at all, Evelyn, for the overall direction of the United States?
		How are we doing?
		I mean, we're at war.
		It's not going very well.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		We will continue to be at war.
		I remember when we first went into Iraq and I had said that we would be there more than five years.
		Everybody thought I was crazy.
		And now it's over five years and it will continue and we will still stay in the Middle East.
		We have to.
		And so war is going to escalate.
		But here in the United States, as well as throughout the world, what the nations of the world need to know is that we are also in a cleansing period.
		And these next five years are going to be tremendous for us.
		There's going to be an awful lot of changes that are going to be made, not just on the economic level, but physical changes to the planet.
		And so a lot of purification, a lot of cleansing is going to take place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that involves a lot of disasters, you know.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		As well as man-made.
		I still feel that there is going to be a virus unleashed.
		I had mentioned that the last time we had talked.
		And that is part of the reason why I have been kind of under the weather.
		It seems like sometimes I need a brick to fall on my head to get the message right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I had a shot in the arm earlier today.
		I got my flu shot.
		We both got our flu shots today with a baby in the house, of course.
		We felt it was...
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's almost like somebody is testing them.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And I feel that this winter is not going to be a very good winter for people out there because I feel there's going to be an awful lot of sicknesses that they're not going to be able to diagnose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I'd like to take a couple of calls before the top of the hour, if you don't mind.
		Okay, here we go then.
		Nancy in Chico, California, you're on with Dr. Peglini.
unidentified		Hi, Yes.
		My name is Nancy.
		Hi, Art.
		Hi, Ms. Paglini.
		My nephew was tragically killed at the end of August in a car accident, and I just wondered if you saw anything or he has anything, a message, anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we're not really doing personal readings, Nancy.
		I'm awfully sorry.
		We're just not doing that.
		It's not something I do on the radio.
		And so, Evelyn, I'll ask you to refrain.
		We're sort of more into a general, you know, in other words, when you get into personal readings, it satisfies those who get them, but it doesn't do much for the rest of the audience.
		So we want to try to keep it general if we can.
		Let's see.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Paglini.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Calvin from Georgia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I have a question for Ms. Paglini.
		My friend has a prototype electric car, and it makes static electricity, runs on water.
		They might have heard a little bit from Babamba, Senator Babamba talking about it, but in the future, do you see the electric car coming to light, even though they're not passing it through any inspections and safety and all that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, that's an interesting question.
		Certainly, as the price of gasoline goes through the roof, we're going to have to eventually get something like that.
		But again, I'm not sure that Evelyn has focused on this particularly, or that's come to her, Evelyn.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No, it has not really come to me.
		I do know that we're going to naturally need alternative fuels and other ways of transportation.
		But no, I haven't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		And again, you're not like, your talent, Evelyn, is not like that of a remote viewer.
		In other words, you can't specifically go out and look, or can you, at a certain subject and get an answer?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Not really, no.
		The only way I can do that is occult-wise.
		In other words, if somebody was under psychic attack, then I would be able to go to that individual that is the practitioner that is causing the problem, yes.
		But other than that, no.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bob in Burbank, California, you're on with Dr. Paglini.
unidentified		Hello, Paglini.
		It's Robert or Bob from Burbank, California.
		How you doing?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Fine, thank you.
unidentified		Yes.
		Well, God bless you, and you do great work for a lot of humanity.
		I'd like to thank you for that.
		Myself, I was born when I was really young.
		I actually had that sensitive ability to pick up some things.
		I look at people's faces, and I never met them, but I could say their names, you know, when I was young.
		And I've had that strange gift for a while.
		It's sort of a curse at times when you see mostly negative things do stand out.
		And before the attack on the Twin Towers here in the United States, I was pacing the floor, you know, just walking back and forth because I knew something was going to happen, a major attack on the country.
		I only told one of my friends that I knew I could trust with the information.
		But it's horrible when you see these things.
		And I know you're trying to keep it quiet about what's going on about the fires.
		And for good reason, I know what's going on with these fires.
		You could compare it to anthrax attacks.
		And it's pretty weird why things are going on.
		But we're getting a repeat.
		If you actually look back in the 30s and the major crash in the Wall Street, it's happening again, the same cycle.
		It appears that the people who were responsible for a major economic crunch in the 39 of the Wall Street, those people may have had some children.
		Those children now may be operating the show and controlling the global economy to collapse again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know about that.
		There have been some, of course, safety precautions put in place since that crash.
		But that doesn't mean that there can't be a kind of a slow-motion, very serious economic crash.
		Do you see something that serious, Evelyn, coming?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I do feel that there is going to be a major correction in the stock market, and I feel that it may top 15%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		15%.
		Okay.
		Well, that's not serious, but that's not.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I'm not seeing a crash.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
		Thank you.
		Robin in Odessa, Texas, you're on with Dr. Paglini.
unidentified		Hello, Ward.
		Hello, Doctor.
		How y'all doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		Well, my question is, I got a feeling that President Bush might be provoking a war or will provoke a war with Iran in order to keep himself in office as the 2008 elections go by by using his executive privileges.
unidentified		What is your take on that, Doctor?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I haven't put my mind to that, but I do know that there is an escalation of the war in the Middle East, and I do feel that we are going to have to tackle Iran.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do notice there's a lot of talk of war with Iran, and nobody is really denying it in Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you do get the kind of, you kind of get the feeling that it's moving in that direction, but you don't have anything official on that, right?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I feel that there's going to be an escalation, yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And I feel that it will happen before the spring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Does that feeling include, when you say escalation, do you mean within Iraq?
		Or do you get to that?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I feel something can very definitely happen with Iran between now and the end of April, first part of May.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy.
		All right.
		We'll put that one down.
		Carlos in Carson, California.
unidentified		Yes, good evening, Doctor.
		A couple of questions.
		The drought here in California, do you see any connection with weather manipulation causing the drought here or making us vulnerable to the California fires?
		My second question, is there a link between these fires and the global warming laws that Congress has been working on for some time and perhaps being caused deliberately to pave the way for those global warming laws?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, the first part as far as the global, I mean, your second part, as far as global warming, that certainly is a contribution to what is happening as far as the drought.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		As far as manipulation, no, I'm not getting that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if there's anybody doing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've claimed to be able to do it by satellite, that kind of thing, but you don't see it involved in what's going on.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's not what I am getting in California, not at all.
		The drought is just there, and it will continue.
		And there is going to be a very major fire either late this year or late next year in Northern California.
		So I certainly want the state to be ready for another very dangerous fire.
		But I know that there is something being planned, and I want to, again, I'm going to say it, please be careful.
		I want to protect the Hollywood Hills.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any further information at all?
		The Hollywood Hills, we've got that down.
		Now, on the virus, you mentioned a virus.
		That just scares the hell out of me.
		It really scares me.
		This is man's hand.
		You're talking about release of an engineered kind of virus, right?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		The way I got it was it was unleashed on the populace as a test.
		And it got out of hand.
		It's going to take quite a while for, first of all, it to be figured out what it is, and then to have some kind of an antibiotic Or a defense against it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any idea when we'll begin to see the effects of this?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I feel that this winter, you know, starting, I'd say maybe mid-December, early January.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you see this in North America, worldwide?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure, Art.
		I'm picking it up here.
		I don't know if it's going to be elsewhere, but I definitely feel there's an outbreak here in the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Most of these viruses on Natural come from Southeast Asia, China, you know, that area.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yep, and it could be from the Middle East.
		I mean, it could be from Asia.
		All I know is that it seems to have the appearance of like flu symptoms, diarrhea and vomiting and pain in the abdominal area.
		But I don't know what it is.
		No one is going to be able to find it out very quickly.
		That's what the problem.
		That's why it came to me that way and it kept coming back to me.
		I mean, I was sick for like 10 days and then I'd get well.
		And then about a month later, it would come back again and again because I wasn't getting the message art.
		And every time I said, what is it trying to tell me?
		What is it trying to give me?
		And then finally, that's when I got the whole thing where it was a test.
		It was being unleashed.
		And we here in the United States as well as in other countries were going to suffer for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kim in Northridge, California, you're on with Dr. Paglini.
unidentified		Hi, this is Kim.
		You know, I just got, you answered a couple questions because I'm from, obviously, California and stuff.
		And these fires are outrageous.
		I have never seen anything quite like this.
		Half my family lives down in San Diego, and it's just a mess.
		What is it?
		I know that we had like 15 fires going at one time.
		Is this mostly arson?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		A good portion of it was.
		I'm not saying all of it.
		There were natural, and I had said that before, but I do have people out there who are deliberately planning this.
unidentified		Is this terrorism?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't you call it terrorism?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's terrorism no matter who's doing it.
unidentified		It comes in all different forms, I suppose.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		This is deliberate.
		It is planned and it is executed.
		And it is not just in the state of California.
		It will be done and has been done in other states and will continue to be so.
unidentified		So are you expecting a lot more here?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I noticed the media was being, and I think they should get credit for it too, at the beginning of the coverage of the fires, in the first several days, even though I think they knew damn well there was arson involved, they didn't really say it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think they were trying to be sensitive, not give anybody any ideas, not that.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And they didn't want any copycats, and there were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and there were.
		Nevertheless, I thought they were very sensitive to it and did a very good job of covering it in the way they did.
		Shane in Texas, somewhere in Texas in a truck.
		You're on with Dr. Paglini.
unidentified		Greetings, Art.
		Dr. Paglini, I'm beside myself with joy for the opportunity.
		I'm a truck driver going through East Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Okay.
		I believe that creation is an ongoing event and the beginning of creation is thought.
		And I believe very much in the power of positive thinking.
		And I would like to know, Dr. Paglini, what do you have to say about that as it relates to the year 2012?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that is an interesting question.
		We've dealt a lot with 2012, the end of the Mayan calendar.
		Again, it may not be anything you've looked at, Doctor, but anything to say on that score?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I haven't given it a lot of attention, but I do know one thing.
		It is not the complete end of the world, as some people would like to think.
		It is a transitional period.
		And so, yes, there is going to be some chaos.
		I've been trying to warn you, the next five years are horrendous.
		It is not on that date, okay, where something drastic is going to happen.
		No, it is a slow consciousness raising.
		It is a change, a transformation.
		We are going into one cycle and leaving another.
		And so it's like the birth pangs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Again, you know how to get hold of me privately, Doctor.
		So if anything becomes suddenly very clear to you, don't hesitate for one second.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I won't, Eric.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'll find a way to get it on the air.
		Joe and Dilaware, you're on with Dr. Paglini.
		Not a lot of time here.
unidentified		Hi, quick question.
unidentified		Just want to know, Evelyn, if you've picked up anything on the apocalypse, the end of the world, or nuclear war, like terrorism.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Terrorism, yes.
		Nuclear war, yes.
		End of the world, no.
		And let me say that I get no pleasure out of being right with these predictions and warnings.
		I get pleasure out of helping people who are under psychic attack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it that you see?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said nuclear war, yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I feel that there is going to be an exchange, a limited exchange that is going to happen.
		And I feel that that can happen next year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		India, Pakistan, or China, or what?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure yet, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you see a limited nuclear exchange next year?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, that could be something happens next year.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		With your track record, people...
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to just nail it down if I am.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		But the way he asked me, that's the way I got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad he asked that question.
		I would have thought to have asked that.
		The president actually made reference, and it's been in the news a lot lately, to World War III the other day.
		And so that and what you just said certainly have my attention.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's going to be that I see bombs going off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I. And you're able to delineate with what you see that it's some sort of nuclear detonation.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, I'm seeing something really horrific.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And I'm hoping that minds will come together And put a stop to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, listen, Evelyn, again, I'm sorry that you were right, but I've got to lay down credit where credit is absolutely due.
		You've knocked them down again and again and again and again, Evelyn.
		So take care of yourself.
		Get better.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By all means, keep us informed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Will you please?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I will, and thank you for having me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, Evelyn.
		Good night.
		All right, ladies and gentlemen, back with EVPs in a moment.
		All right.
		I'll be darned.
		They did get my webcam up there.
		And sure enough, there's our beautiful little Asia.
		And this was taken, oh, gee, I don't know, four or five days ago.
		Actually, it says October 21st, so I guess that's correct, 21st.
		It would be about five days ago.
		And there she is.
		And she's doing incredibly well.
		She is the happiest child the world has ever seen.
		So if you look in the middle of the CoastCoastAM.com website up at the top, there is indeed a photograph of our beautiful Asia there.
		She's really unbelievable.
		I mean, just unbelievable.
		I'll say this at my age.
		I thought, boy, am I crazy or what to have a child, but not a chance.
		I have been enjoying Asia more than I could ever possibly articulate on this program.
		My God, it's been fun.
		Anyway, what we're about to do is October-ish.
		It's Halloween-ish.
		It's something we do all year long, actually, and it's been way too long since I've had an opportunity to do it.
		Let me just read the normal introduction.
		Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth are both members of the Ghost Investigators Society, the GIS.
		The Ghost Investigators Society, GIS, is a nonprofit organization.
		Emphasize, nonprofit, dedicated to the investigation of ghosts.
		Not only do they conduct investigations, but they also instruct, assist, and educate anyone who believes they may be experiencing ghostly phenomena or those who are just simply curious, all in an effort to educate the public about ghosts.
		The GIS hopes the EVP's electronic voice phenomena presented will demonstrate that the consciousness, our consciousness, indeed survives after the body dies, and that these voices may help to give a different perspective about life, death, and ghosts.
		Now, here's what I want to say, and it echoes what I've said in years past, and the reason I've had these folks on again and again is I think fairly, it will be self-evident as you hear what you're about to hear.
		They originally, years ago, took audio tape, common audio tape, always brand new with the wrapper still on it, took the tape out, put it in a machine, went to various places like cemeteries and museums and, you know, places where one might expect to find a ghost.
		And they would record hours and hours and hours of blank tape, always in the hope of recording the voice of a ghost, for lack of a better word.
		And we've discussed what else it might be.
		But over the years, several things have become clear to me.
		This is not baloney.
		This is not a hoax.
		This is not a radio station somehow interfering with the tape.
		They've gone digital recording in the last few years, and it seems to work as well or even better because the signal-to-noise ratio is much better.
		A lot of times you're listening for a very small signal in a lot of noise.
		And so obviously the digital recording methods are a lot better.
		But I mean, these are folks who are not selling a book.
		They're not peddling anything.
		They're not making any money.
		In fact, it costs them money to do it.
		This is more of a hobby than it is any sort of money-making.
		In fact, there's nothing.
		So it gives them a great deal of credibility, in my mind.
		And also that which they have recorded gives them a great deal of credibility.
		A lot of times they cannot explain the meaning of what they have recorded, nor do they many times even make an attempt.
		They might offer a possible explanation, but what you're going to hear is, for the most part, up to you to try and decipher.
		So that said, I believe firmly that what you're going to hear tonight demonstrates that indeed consciousness does survive the death, the physical death of the human body.
		So in a moment, the GIS.
		Ah, yes.
		By the way, everybody, one more time.
		I'm going to do Halloween, ghost to ghost, we call it.
		And we're going to do open line, ghost to ghost.
		However, I would encourage you to sort of rehearse your story, the telling of it.
		It helps a lot, really.
		Or take a piece of paper and jot down the relevant bullet points for your story so that when you get on the air to tell it, you tell it well.
		And then one more thing.
		If you would like to send me an email, I will be reading various ghost stories during the evening sent in by all of you.
		How do you do it?
		Simply send it to artbell at mindspring.com.
		That's A-R-T-B-E-D-L, all strung together at mindspring.com or artbell at aol.com.
	So if you have a good ghost story, string it together, email it to me, and if it's a good one, I will read it on the air.
	Otherwise, last year we did screened ghost stories.
	This year, we'll just cut all the strings and do unscreened ghost stories.
	So I would suggest you sort of prepare.
	And while we're on the subject of ghosts, back to EVP, I would like to welcome my guests, Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth.
	Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
		Good morning.
		You're both here.
unidentified		We're both here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It has been, when did we do the last show?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think it's been about a year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About a year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That long, huh?
unidentified		It's been a while.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's great to have you both back.
		How have you?
		I guess there was a death in the family?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, my sister-in-law.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm so sorry.
unidentified		Well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We had almost had a show set up, and then that occurred.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I am sorry for your loss.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		He's also had a birth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the cycle of life, huh?
unidentified		Yes, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What we're going to hear tonight is going to be sort of, I guess, a compilation of a few new things and some of the best of the last, what, couple of years, several years?
unidentified		Yeah, this is.
		I'm actually excited for these voices tonight.
		You know, this goes back into our archives and some of the, I would say, even creepiest voices, even though I don't really get creeped out by them.
		I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really do.
		I totally get creeped out by these.
		And I think the reason is that I believe it.
		In other words, I believe what I'm hearing.
		A lot of what's on coast, you know, you've got to take it sort of, well, frankly, with a grain of salt.
		But these EVPs over the years have been the creepiest things that I think I've ever done.
		They really are creepy.
unidentified		Don't you think we should be flattered by that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do they actually creep you out a little bit?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		I'll be honest.
		The kids, I mean, we've talked about this before, and of course we'll get into it tonight.
		But on an emotional level, the kids' voices really, I don't know if it so much creeped me out as it just makes me sad.
		You know, how can these kids be saying the things that they're saying?
		You know, it's hard to listen to at times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're just about to get Asia baptized.
		And in the process of getting your child baptized, you have to go, you know, it's a Catholic baptism, of course, and you have to go to a little sort of a seminar where they explain about baptism.
		And one of the first things the priest said when we went to the seminars about a week ago was that it's widely thought, there is a myth, a key word, myth, that it's widely thought that if a child, an infant, is not baptized and it dies, it goes to hell.
		And he said that is firmly, the Catholic priest said, that's firmly a myth.
		It simply is not true.
		So for whatever that's worth, I thought I'd throw it in because it's widely believed.
		I was one of the ones who believed that that was the belief.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And, you know, ironically enough, we're actually going through the exact same process, and we've heard the same thing.
		It's, you know, it's just really tough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't say anything during the seminar.
		I thought, you know, I don't want to sound like an idiot, but I felt like saying, you know, I always have believed that.
		And I always, I think, went on the air and said, look, how could it be?
		How could a just God send the soul of an infant to hell simply because it didn't get blessed and toss water on the head and all the rest of it?
		So I hope everybody else hearing that knows that now.
		It does not go to hell.
		All right.
		You guys don't make any money doing this, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, it's very costly to do this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've been doing it since when?
unidentified		Oh, God.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		At least 10 years that we've been together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you two call it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it a hobby?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not a hobby to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's trying to gain knowledge to find out how this supernatural world works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it about your own future?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you want to know where you're going, what your future is after the...
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we are here for a short time, but I have a very inquisitive mind, and I'm very curious about the supernatural world.
		I know that there are laws that govern it, but we don't understand those laws yet.
		And I just kind of hope that some of our research will help lead to understanding about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do too.
		All right.
		We're about to jump into the world of EVP, but just for the audience that is fairly new to it, EVP electronic voice phenomena has been actually going on since about when?
unidentified		It's basically since you could actually record.
		Ever since there was a recording medium, there has been reports of voices appearing on tape, vinyl, whatever it is they're recording on.
		People throughout the years have studied this.
		Even I believe I mentioned this before, the Catholic Church.
		They kind of found it by accident.
		A priest was actually recording Gregorian chants and started hearing voices.
		And he actually brought it to the Pope at the time and said, I've recorded these voices, and one of them sounds like my father who's passed on.
		And, you know, the Pope actually says that this is nothing you should be scared about.
		This is, you know, it's basically of God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the Pope actually had something to say about EVP.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, yeah.
		And you can Google that.
		And I cannot remember which Pope it was.
		This would have been 1930, I believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, that's something I hadn't heard.
		The Catholic Church has a position.
		If a Pope says something, that is basically a position, I guess.
		Correct, correct.
		All right.
		Now, just so the audience knows, at the beginning of all this, you used tape recorders and always blank brand new tapes, correct?
		Yeah, yes.
		And several years ago, I had been suggesting it, and you finally made the move to digital recording, and now you do a little bit of both, is that correct?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, you know, we I don't even know that we use the analog as much anymore at all.
unidentified		Uh I can't even recall the last time I've touched an analog recorder.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and mine broke, so I can't use the analog at all now.
unidentified		But uh now we've even gone into uh recording right to the computer and condenser mics and mixers and and all that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So all right, so that's improved the quality of the EVPs substantially, right?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		And actually tonight you'll hear the difference in quality because we do have things from years back, so it is analog, and we have condenser mic stuff, which, I mean, the difference is just night and day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, and for the doubters out there, I would like to say that over the years I have suggested to the audience, if you don't believe this, take a device, take a microphone, go to the cemetery or area of your choice, and spend a few hours doing it.
		And inevitably, they have, and I always get these emails back, you two, saying, oh, my God, I tried it and I've got one, and they'll send it along to me.
		So people who are doubters find out very quickly that this is real.
		Now, other people will say, isn't it possible that it would be a radio station somehow getting picked up in the circuitry or whatever, and that that's what you're hearing?
		And what traditionally has been your response to that?
unidentified		Originally, I was a skeptic.
		I didn't believe this.
		I thought there is just no way.
		There's no way you're going to go to a cemetery at 1 o'clock in the morning, basically start talking to yourself, and expect to hear anything.
		And until I got that first voice, I was like, you know, there's just no way.
		But when I heard the first voice, I mean, it's almost life-changing because all of a sudden you're like, well, there is something.
		There's, you know, whether it's a ghost or whatever, there's something there.
		And, you know, then again, being very rational about it, I was trying to figure out, well, what could that be?
		Could it be radio transmission?
		Could it be, you know, we've heard baby monitors because we pick up kids' voices.
		It could be a baby monitor.
		The problem with that is when you start getting the contemporary information, you start getting voices that respond to you or what's going on at the time.
		You know, the odds of that being a skip transmission or anything like that, it's just, I don't buy it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's extremely low.
		I don't buy it either.
		I think that what you're getting is absolutely legitimate.
		I've never quite figured out what it means about life after death.
		I think it does confirm that there is some continuation of consciousness after death.
		It does confirm that, but it doesn't so much confirm the nature of it.
		Or would you say you have kind of figured it out?
unidentified		No, I haven't, definitely.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		My theory is that these are people that are either very sad or in some kind of emotional turmoil, that they have not resolved something in their life when they were alive, but still carrying on to their death after they've died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it your view, and I'll ask you both this, that when people die, they know they're dead right away?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or is it something that occurs to them after a period of time?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I do not believe that many people realize they are dead when they die.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Just because of people that I have spoken to that have died, clinically been pronounced dead and have been revived back, they said that they did not realize they had died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to add to this that you can supplement what you're going to hear tonight by going to the website, which is, I believe, ghostpics.com.
unidentified		Correct.
unidentified		Correct, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll spell that out for everybody.
unidentified		It's G-H-O-S-P-P-I-X.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and on there you've got not only recordings, but you've got photographs and video as well, correct?
unidentified		Yep, and we're actually just now, we've just completely redesigned and revamped the site, so it should be a lot easier to navigate for everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Again, they don't make money doing this, folks.
		Their motives, I believe, are absolutely pure.
		Their methods, I think, are the right word for that.
		Your methods, I would call them also pure, I guess.
		In other words, there's nothing on these various devices that you use for recording that would somehow be left over.
		We're not hearing an echo of something that had been previously recorded, correct?
unidentified		Correct.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		With all of that in mind, let's do one.
		Let's give them a little taste here.
		Number one is.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		This first one is from Virginia City in Nevada, which I'm sure you know where that's at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		There's a house there.
		It's actually a hotel now called the Brewery Lodge.
		Built in, I believe, 1820, something like that.
		We actually did an overnight investigation in this house, and it had some interesting happenings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, as a matter of fact, I guess we're going to get about six recordings that were done at this brewery lodge.
unidentified		Actually, there's two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sorry?
unidentified		Yeah, there's two from this one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and then we go to a mausoleum, I see.
unidentified		There you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		So two at the brewery lodge.
		This was just a lodge, or was it actually a brewery?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, it was a brewery at one time, originally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And it's part of the Goldheel Hotel now that they've incorporated this brewery into their hotel staying.
		The lodge is a they made it into like a guest house where a number of people can rent it out and stay.
		It sleeps quite a few people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why did you go here?
unidentified		There had been, We had had reports, people emailing into us saying that they had stayed there and they had seen things.
		And so obviously, you know, if we get enough reports about a certain location, we will call the place if they haven't contacted us saying, hey, we've had these reports.
		Would you mind if we come out there and look at it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We're not going to have enough time.
		So tonight we're going to go to a brewery lodge, then a mausoleum, a deer lodge, an exchange, whatever that is, a witch's house, and then, I guess, a mortician's.
		So you can see the kind of places that these two pick.
		I've asked this before, and there's no real reason to, for example, go to a cemetery, though one can readily expect that in a cemetery you would encounter those who have passed on.
unidentified		In a moment, we'll begin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guests are Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth.
		They comprise the GIS.
		And in a moment, we're going to launch into voices from the other side.
		Some of what you're about to hear is going to freak you out.
		I really would be interested in what some of you conclude it is you're hearing.
		Feel free to email me, artbell at mindspring.com, artbell at aol.com.
		After the program, I'd like to know what you conclude from what you're about to hear.
		And so it begins.
		To the brewery lodge.
		And number one, what are we about to hear, folks?
unidentified		All right.
		Well, in this clip, you're going to hear Barbara saying, if you can speak, will you speak so I can hear you?
		Now, this was actually recorded on an analog recorder.
		And what's interesting is originally, we thought that this kid's voice says Brian.
		And the more we've listened to it, it sounds like he says mother.
		And it's almost like he's referring to Barbara as mother.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
		I don't know.
		That one sounds...
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But I always thought it sounded like Brendan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One more time.
unidentified		You can speak when you speak so I can hear you.
		You are this!
		You are this!
		You are this!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brian, it sure sounds like Brian to me, but maybe it's because I'm looking at what it was supposed to be.
		But it really sounded like Brian.
		That was very short.
		Now, a lot of EVPs, most of them are pretty short, aren't they?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But occasionally, you'll get as much as a whole sentence.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		In fact, there's one voice tonight.
		It's actually a few voices.
		The whole thing lasts about 50 seconds to a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yeah, so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, we're staying with the Brewery Lodge, and let's go on to number two.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're going to hear a woman ask, are you alone?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And then you'll hear Brendan saying it's acting weird, and he was referring to the EMF detector.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What EMF detector?
unidentified		It's an electromagnetic field detector.
unidentified		It's something that we do use when we go out to try and see, if nothing else, if EVP correlates to spikes in the EMF.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it did?
unidentified		No, no.
		Well, I mean, it did at the time, but I believe what was going on at the time was actually wiring in the house when we were going through the house more and realized that a lot of the spikes on the EMF were coming towards the walls and things like that.
		So I really don't think the EMF going off like this was in relation to this EVP at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, here it is.
unidentified		RVM zone.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, you know, that's really clear.
		I mean, there's nothing strange or unusual about that.
		That sounds like, I mean, you're absolutely sure that there was no woman there.
		That sounds like somebody in the room.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that wasn't me, and it wasn't Ginny.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's the other female member of the GIS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're sure of that.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		And what's so odd is there are some voices that are so very, very clear.
		It sounds like they're right next to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this was one of them.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
		And there's others that are just so, I mean, they're almost buried in the static.
		And that's something else we should have mentioned at the beginning is, you know, what we're playing tonight are, you know, what they call a Class A E V P. These are, you know, you can hear them.
		You know there's something there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Top of the line, it should be mentioned, you guys spend hours and hours and hours going over recordings to come up with these very short little things, right?
unidentified		Oh, yes, definitely.
		And there's certainly things that we couldn't play, you know, because either somebody is talking during the time that the EVP comes in, so it's just too hard to decipher.
		Right.
		It's too low.
		You know, I mean, that happens quite a bit.
		Do you ever hear it audibly?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this one, for example, it sounded like this was just a woman, you know, in range of the mic.
		Let me do it one more time.
		Here it is, one more time.
unidentified		RVM zone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That didn't work.
unidentified		RVM zone.
unidentified		RVM zone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remember now, they don't get these until later.
		They're not hearing them as they occur.
		Is that right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		Probably I would have started talking to this woman had I heard it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was so clear.
		All right.
		On to the mausoleum.
		Now, how much value is there going to mausoleums, graveyards, areas where obviously bodies are buried and one might expect, you know, versus, I don't know, somebody's house or whatever?
unidentified		You know, it's hard to say.
		I mean, I kind of think that, you know, maybe spirits tend to stay around their body for some time after they passed on.
		I would hate to think that's the case, but it almost seems that's what's going on.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And we also go to locations that have reported haunting activity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so this is a mausoleum where?
unidentified		It's in Utah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Utah.
unidentified		That's pretty much all we can say about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		We don't need to identify it beyond that.
		The first one in the mausoleum, then?
unidentified		All right.
		Now, this one, you're going to hear me say, all right, let's go see if Barb's upstairs.
		And, of course, I'm in the basement of the mausoleum talking to another member.
		And we had thought we heard something upstairs at the time, so we wanted to see if it was Barbara making this noise.
		And then you're going to hear a kid say, I can't see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
		These worry me.
		Here we go.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Let's get parking.
		Cheers.
		I called you.
		Thanks.
		I called you.
		I called you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		You know, those more than any other, the children really freak me out.
		And it does sound like that child is saying, I can't see.
		Yeah.
		I can't see.
		And you don't want to imagine that on the other side.
unidentified		Not at all.
		I mean, it goes back to what I said earlier.
		It's not so much creeped out as emotionally it...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		You just, it's hard to deal with at times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm going to play this again.
		Listen very carefully, everybody.
		does really sound like a child saying I can't see.
unidentified		Sorry, what's that?
		This is a parking station.
		I can't see.
		I can't see.
		I can't see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it really does sound like I can't see.
		Kind of sound like a child.
		Again, folks, we're not, you know, that's why I want you to send me an email and tell me what you conclude from hearing these yourself.
		Do you conclude that it's just the nature of the other side and children as adults go to the other side and there's a period of time when they just don't know what's going on, don't even know they're dead.
		But it sounds like it's dark wherever this child is.
		All right, on to the next one, number four.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, on this one, you're going to hear me telling a person that was with me to watch their step.
		You can hear us going down the stairs to the basement of the mausoleum.
		And you're going to hear a man's voice.
		It kind of sounds like he's down in the basement of the mausoleum saying, go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go.
		I was in.
		Get out of here?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and leave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay, here we go.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Watch your step here.
unidentified		Watch your step here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that sounds exactly like go.
		And it really sounds as though whatever it is is telling you to get out.
		You have had EVPs actually tell you to get out.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So, go.
		How is it when you hear something like this, which is obviously an invitation for you to exit?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, when we hear something like go, we just go back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You go back.
unidentified		Yep.
		I mean, there's something there, so it's worth going back to check it out.
		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many people were with you while you were doing these particular ones in the mausoleum?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was three of you?
unidentified		This was actually, this was over a couple different investigations.
		It wasn't just one.
		Okay.
		But the majority of the time, there's only five of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, listen again, everybody.
		Very clearly.
		Go.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Watch your step here.
unidentified		No people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That one has kind of a pleading sound to it.
		I've heard anger in other ones and get out and worse.
		But this one has more of a kind of a pleading sound to it.
		Would you agree with that?
unidentified		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		He's not demanding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's more like he's asking us to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		All right.
		I'd be going, but not you all.
		You go back.
		So you will typically take these recordings from, for example, the mausoleum and take them home.
		And do you usually listen right away or do days go by and then you get together and listen to them or what?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It depends.
		If we get home really late from an investigation, I don't feel like spending another two hours re-listening recording.
		So if it's pretty late, and it usually is, we will wait until the next day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it like a committee?
		Do you all sit down and listen?
		Or does one of you pick them out and then sort of play them for everybody?
unidentified		No, we all listen, you know, because all of us record, all five of us.
		And we all listen to our own recordings.
		And then, you know, we just pick out what we hear.
		And then once we do hear something, we let everybody else hear it.
		They all, you know, think, you know, figure out what it's saying.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		In our two cents.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How often does more than one recording device pick up the same EVP?
unidentified		It really is not very often.
		And the reason is we're normally not next to each other.
		The one case I can think of just off the top of my head in Roland's prison in Wyoming, all five of us were in the death house.
		And we were all recording.
		The death house was a very, very small, small area.
		And there was a very loud get-out that came from just sound like a gruff old man.
		And all five people recorded that voice.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And also on the video camera, it picked it up.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		So it does happen if we're all next to each other, but we try to spread out and cover as much of the area as we can.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Still in the mausoleum.
		Here comes number five.
		What about this one?
unidentified		Okay, now this one, this is one of our newer ones.
		It was recorded with the condenser mic, so the quality is going to be completely different.
		You have to keep in mind, though, this is a mausoleum, so it's very loud and echoey and has marbles, you know, all that.
		But what you're going to hear is Barbara saying, we invite anyone to speak with us.
		Would you like to know, or we'd like to know your name and have you talk with us and introduce yourself.
		I'm Barbara.
		And right after that, you're going to hear the door shut because Barbara was walking out of the mausoleum at this time.
		We were just leaving our equipment inside to record.
		And nobody was in the mausoleum.
		And all of a sudden, after the door shuts, you're going to hear, it sounds like children laughing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Would you invite me to speak to us?
		Would you like to tell your name and talk to us if you'll introduce yourself?
		I'm not a good one.
		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		At least they're laughing in this one.
		How nice that is.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Now, there was nobody in the mausoleum at that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now here's something else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The laughing had the same echoey, acoustic sound to it that your voice did.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which sort of, in a way, it puzzles me because most of the time these are not audible.
		These are not heard.
		And, you know, as they're recorded, they just show up on the recordings, correct?
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's kind of strange that it has the same.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but you know, when we have recorded voices in that location, most of the time they have also always been echoey, like our voices when we're speaking inside there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here it is again.
		This is, again, Barbara's voice says, we invite anyone to speak with us.
		We'd like to know your name and talk with us and introduce yourself.
		I'm Barbara.
		And then you get the laughing.
		Listen carefully.
unidentified		Listen carefully.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah It's nice to hear laughing for a change.
		It really is.
		And again, it had that same acoustic quality to it.
		So that's really fascinating.
unidentified		What is interesting is, keep in mind, we were all out of the mausoleum at this time when that was recorded.
unidentified		So it's possible we could have heard it had we been in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		You know, it's possible we wouldn't have because it's, you know, very rarely do we hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This next one also apparently recorded in the mausoleum, and it says, Brendan falling down stairs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I remember this, I think, from a previous program, yes?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		This is, for some reason, Barbara's favorite clip.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
		The thing I love the most is how the concern in this lady's voice comes through for Brendan.
		I mean, when she asked him if he's okay, you can really tell that she's concerned about him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you were nowhere to...
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I was probably upstairs.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Basically, what had happened is my flashlight went out as I was walking into the basement of the mausoleum.
		And I figured I knew the mausoleum well enough that I could find the light switch without any light.
		Yeah.
		Well, you kind of find out that that didn't work out too well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many stairs did you fall down?
unidentified		Oh, there was a good ten.
unidentified		It's been this is hard marble staircase.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here it comes.
unidentified		Dammit.
unidentified		Ha, ha, ha, ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ha, ha, ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is concern in her voice, and here is evidence of a contemporary absolute response to something that just happened, right?
unidentified		Exactly.
		So how, you know, when you hear things like that, how is that a baby monitor or radio transmission or anything like that?
		It's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not.
		I suppose somebody might suggest, oh, well, it's Barbara or somebody with you asking if you're okay.
		Obviously following Babdown.
		That was quite a tumble.
		Did you come out of that all right?
unidentified		I felt it for a few days after that, I can be honest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can imagine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here it comes again.
unidentified		Dammit.
unidentified		I'm not a fool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Now, her voice, we do three, what is it, two or three replays afterwards of just the EVP voice, and it's a little bit, it's a little easier to hear.
		So you do what?
		You process the audio a little bit?
unidentified		Yeah, on the first cut, where you have context with the voice, we don't do Anything.
		It is straight.
		On the last two loops, we will amplify it a bit just so you can kind of hear what you just heard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		People are always curious: what kind of processing do you do to clear up the voice?
		Do you take away some of the background noise?
		Do you use audio processing as such, or what?
unidentified		There was times where we did.
		We don't so much do it anymore, especially now that we're in the digital and the condenser mic.
		You just don't need to do it.
		I mean, there's just no reason.
		We used to with the analog recordings.
		We had to, you know, there was tape noise and hiss and motor noise.
		Sure.
		We had to take that out.
		But no, we don't do it so much anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, we're leaving the mausoleum, and when we return, we're going to go to a deer lodge for a while.
		Lots of very interesting voices.
		These are voices, if you will, from the other side.
		Life after death, you answer the question for us.
		The Ghost Investigators Society are my guests.
		They do recordings of voices from the other side.
		And we're going to pick up the pace, and you're going to hear a lot more this hour and next.
		So if you'll just stay right where you are, perhaps we'll prove something to you in a moment.
		All right, it's on to a deer lodge now, and I suppose we have a lot ahead of us, so we better pick up the pace a little bit.
		Make of these what you will, folks, but there's a lot of integrity that has gone into the work to get them, to process them, to present them to you as they are.
		And you make of them what they will, and I'm very curious what you do make of them.
		All right, you two, on to the Deer Lodge.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		This actually, this is Deer Lodge Prison in Montana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		Which is a huge, huge prison.
		It was built in the 1840s and housed some pretty nasty, nasty people.
		But in this, and you'll kind of get the idea here, in this clip, you're going to hear GIS member Barry say, did the guards kill you or did you kill yourself?
		He recorded this in a place called Siberia, which was the solitary confinement area of Deerlog.
		And I believe they said they've had eight or nine deaths just in that area.
		And then you're going to hear an old man say, I almost had the key.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen carefully.
unidentified		Did the guards kill you?
		Or did you kill yourself?
		Brown sober kid.
		Brown sober kid.
		Brown sober kid.
		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is clearly, I almost had the key.
		And that's something you would expect, I guess, to hear in a prison.
		I almost had the key.
		Everybody wants the key, of course.
		I'd like to ask this, how did Barry know to ask a specific question like, did the guards kill you or did you kill yourself?
		I mean, why that question?
unidentified		In that, this goes back to what I was saying.
		Being that there were so many deaths in that Siberia place, it was just something that we normally ask.
		It's almost like, you know, what is your name?
		Is anybody with you?
		You know, what's it like where you're at?
		In that place, it was just the context of where we're at.
		So he was saying, you know, before this, I believe he said, how long have you been here?
		You know, what were you here for?
		That kind of stuff.
		And it just happened that it was responding to that question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One more time.
		Listen carefully now.
		I think we're going to get it.
		Here we go.
unidentified		Did the guards kill you?
		Or would you show yourself?
		I want to save the kids.
		I want to save the kids.
		I want to save the kids.
		I want to save the kids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's awfully clear.
		Very, very, very clear.
		All right.
		On to the next taken in the same place, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I'm not sure where Barry was when he recorded this, but you're going to hear him opening a cell door, and a voice says, help, I'm in here.
		And then you'll hear Barry say, anybody in here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he said that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you never know if you're going to get a reaction to something you say or if the EVP is going to come prior to what you say, which is what happened in this case?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so the EVP actually comes first.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen carefully.
unidentified		Wow.
		Wow.
		anybody else?
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yikes.
		I've never heard that one before.
		Help I'm in here.
		And that comes before the question, anybody in here.
unidentified		Right, right.
unidentified		And what's interesting, I mean, you hear the cell door opening just before that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Squeaking open.
unidentified		Cell door, and he's aware that we're there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I imagine a lot of people died in that prison, yes?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Oh, yes, definitely.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It was built in the mid-1800s.
unidentified		Yeah, 1800s.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It was part of the Deer Lodge, Montana was part of the Oregon Trail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		One more time.
		This is a really good one.
		And again, what you're going to hear is, help I'm in here.
		That's the EVP.
		And then Barry says, anybody in here?
		So he says that after the EVP, listen carefully.
unidentified		anybody in case?
		I'm here.
		I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the answer before the question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How often does that occur?
unidentified		Yeah, it's happened a few times.
		It's kind of odd.
		We've had people say, well, are they telepathic?
		Can they read your mind?
		And I certainly couldn't answer that.
		But it has happened before.
		I would say four or five times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does it happen enough that you do ask that question?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does it seem as though they're telepathic?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, it could be coincidence.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's hard to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		We're going to move on now to yet another prison, Rollins prison, huh?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This is in Rollins, Wyoming, the old prison there, the old frontier prison.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you guys get into these places?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We ask.
unidentified		Yeah, either we ask, or it goes back to what I was saying, we get enough reports.
		In the case of Deer Lodge and Rollins, we get enough reports from people saying there's things going on here.
		We need to check it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I'm trying to figure out, I mean, how do you go to some administrator somewhere and say, hi, we're from the Ghost Investigators Society, and we want to take these recorders into your prison?
unidentified		Well, in the case of Deer Lodge, they actually contacted us, so that wasn't a problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
		The guy actually said that he had reports and wanted to find somebody willing to spend a night there to check it out.
		In the case of Rollins, we probably had almost 100 emails over the years from different people, and it was just enough that I contacted the director, and Barbara contacted the director with these emails and said, these are the reports we're getting.
		Have you heard anything like this?
		And if so, would you be willing to let us check it out?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And some of the people that work there have had experiences.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, if that's the case, they're usually willing to have us come in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does it take a lot of talking to talk them into it sometimes?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, sometimes it does, and sometimes we can't gain access to locations.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Even buildings that are going to be torn down, we can't gain access to them.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Roland's prison number nine.
unidentified		All right.
		Now, this one, there's really a lot of context, but what you're listening for is a screaming.
		And you're going to hear the prison director talking to me saying, we know that we had a dungeon here at one time.
		Have you guys ever read that diary we sell called The Sweet Smell of Sagebrush?
		And you hear me say no.
		And she says, well, the Sweet Smell of Sagebrush was written by an inmate there.
		And at about that point, you're going to start hearing just this almost blood-curdling man screaming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And it sounds like he's being tortured to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were there reports of torture in that?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Really?
		We know that there is a dungeon.
		Have you guys ever read that diary we sell, Sweet Smoke Sage Brush?
		No.
		Well, Sweet Smoke Sage Brush is Stanley Hudson who shared four different kinds.
		And he talks about the dungeon.
		So we know that there was a dungeon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he was an inmate?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Okay.
		Four times.
		Four different kinds.
		And he talks about the dungeon.
		So we know that there was four different kinds.
		He talks about the death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is no way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no way that everybody present, including it sounded, I guess it was a lady who was the director, is that correct?
unidentified		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no way in hell, excuse me, there's no way that she would not have heard that had that been an audible at the time, she would have heard that.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You all would have heard that, right?
unidentified		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yikes.
unidentified		Yeah, it just goes back to the mystery of EVP.
unidentified		Why, you know, when these things take on the same, you know, the same atmosphere at the location you're recording, why don't you hear it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, a scream like that would have stopped everybody cold.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Here it is once again.
unidentified		We know that there is a dungeon.
		Have you guys ever read that diary we sell, Sweet Small Sage Brush?
		No.
		Well, Sweet Small Sage Brush is Stanley Hudson.
		He was here four different times, and he talks about the dungeon.
		So we know that there was a dungeon.
		And he was an inmate?
		Yeah.
		Okay.
		Four times.
		Four different times.
		And he talks about the dungeon.
		So we know that there was four different kinds.
		And he talks about the dungeon.
		So we know that there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That one's awful, guys.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a horrible scream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it really is.
		That sounded like torture.
		I'm sure.
		When you're sitting around later listening to this and you catch something like a scream of that magnitude, it's got to curdle your blood.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		There's been times.
		That voice was pretty hard to listen to.
		And the track here in about four tracks, when I heard it, I just almost jumped back.
		It just, to catch something like this is, you know, it shocks you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brendan, you and I are very much alike in terms of the reaction we have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Barbara, you seem to sort of take all of this, even the children, everything in stride, don't you?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that's my nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It apparently is.
		How do you do that?
		I mean, how do you do that?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't know.
		It's just my makeup, I guess.
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just don't get rattled, do you?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Not by this kind of thing, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I guess we're going to...
		What is that anyway?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		The exchange building is an old building that they used to do stock exchange, you know, like cattle exchange and livestock type of a building.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That was what it originally was.
unidentified		It became the county's health and mental services building for, I believe, 25 years.
		And for the last 20 years, it has been abandoned.
		Nobody owned it.
		Ran down, and then a lady bought it, started doing some renovations, and called us and asked if we'd come in because as they were doing these renovations, things started happening.
		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they thought it was haunted?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah.
		She actually at the time thought she was going crazy because she was about the last person that would ever believe in ghosts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm curious.
		Let's say this particular instance, they think it's haunted.
		They invite you.
		You get these EVPs.
		No doubt you go back as a courtesy and you play the EVPs for these people.
		How do they react?
unidentified		Well, in this case, this was actually kind of a unique case because the EVP, the last EVP we're going to play from this building, was actually the first EVP that was recorded in this building.
		And that was the first thing that we played for her.
		And she was disturbed, really disturbed by it.
		And she actually spent, as well as a lot of other people, the next year trying to disprove the EVP and figure out how it could have happened, you know, could have been faked, you know, everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because she was so disturbed by it.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And it's a disturbing recording.
unidentified		And it's the worst that I've heard ever.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And I wouldn't have believed it if it wouldn't have been us that had recorded it.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		This is number 10 that we're going to begin with in the exchange.
		And apparently the recorder gets dropped.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Brendan drops his recorder and you hear him say, oh, that can't be good.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And then you'll hear a woman say, I broke my neck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Was this...
		there were women present in this place?
unidentified		Barbara, Jenny, and the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I meant originally.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, there would have been.
unidentified		Yes, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here we go.
unidentified		Oh, I can't do this.
		It's all coming out yet.
		Ooh.
		It's all coming out yet.
		It's all coming out yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		On the paper, it says, I broke my neck.
		I think it's saying you broke my neck.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		What do you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it's saying you broke my neck.
unidentified		Really?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Because I think it says he broke my neck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'm going to listen again.
		Everybody, listen along.
		Is it I broke my neck, you broke my neck, or he broke my neck?
		One of the above.
		Here we go.
unidentified		Oh, I can't do this.
		Keep going, I'm not a doctor.
		Keep going, I'm not a doctor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Keep going, I'm not a doctor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it could be he broke my neck.
		You know, it's disturbing because you tend to hear what it is suggested to you that you're going to hear.
		Broke my neck was very clear, but he, I guess it.
		You know what?
		One more time, folks.
		One more time.
		So listen very carefully.
unidentified		Oh, that can't be good.
		Keep walking out of bed.
		Keep walking out of bed.
		Keep walking out of bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'm willing to go along with he.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's what I've always thought it sounded like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He broke my neck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when somebody breaks your neck, you're dead.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And she doesn't sound very pleased about the whole thing either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he wouldn't be.
		Okay.
		Over the years, there's no way you two cannot have concluded something about the nature of the other side after hearing all of these.
		Truly, I mean, you must have concluded something.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're going to get into theology then, you know.
unidentified		About all I've concluded is that there is another side.
		That's it.
		I mean, our voices that we've recorded range in emotion, what they're saying.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Personalities, ages.
unidentified		There's just no way.
		The only thing I can conclude is I believe you stay the same.
		So if you're nice, which most people are in life, once you pass on, you're the same way you are.
		You're friendly, you say hi, you know, things like that.
		But every once in a while, you know, and this goes back to like the prison voices, those voices seem to match the people that would have been in prison.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true, which adds to the, I don't know, the truth of all this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, number 11, and again, still in the exchange, right?
unidentified		Yes, yes, correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This one can't be good from what I see.
unidentified		What was that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said it can't be good from what I see here.
unidentified		Yeah, this is another case where the voice comes in before any context at all.
unidentified		And I actually struggled with maybe not putting this on just because of what it says.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But we decided it was clear enough that people should hear it.
		But what you're going to hear is it kind of sounds like an old man that says, I'll kill you, bastard.
		And then I say, okay, I'm going to go see how much time is on the laptop.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this was being recorded on a laptop?
unidentified		Yes, this was actually recorded on the laptop, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, folks.
		Here it comes.
		Listen carefully.
unidentified		Okay, I'm going to see how much time is on the line.
unidentified		We'll see you next time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, see, I'd leave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, again, you find these afterwards.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I'll kill you bastards would definitely have me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd be so gone.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You would not return, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I wouldn't go back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you guys did, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aren't you worried that one day that's going to come to bite you right in the butt?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've been involved with this all my life, and I've never been harmed by it, so.
unidentified		Yet.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I could be, you know, at some point, but I really doubt it.
unidentified		Well, you've got 50-some years, Barb.
unidentified		You're okay so far?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So I don't have a problem with it.
		I don't feel threatened.
		And I, you know, you hear worse things from live people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a good point.
		And perhaps they cannot reach across whatever barrier they have crossed to do whatever it is they threaten.
		Listen again.
		Here it is one more time.
unidentified		Okay, I'm going to see how much time is on the left.
		Huh.
		For you bastards.
		For you bastards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, there it was, and I would surely not go back to such a place because I would imagine that promise would be carried out.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You know, and your own fear can cause you to hurt yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I suppose, but again, how could you be sure, except for the length of time that you've been doing these recordings, that something like I'll kill you, bastards wouldn't manifest itself in one of you, I don't know, taking a bad fall?
		No way to know.
		All right, folks, EVP.
		Barbara's here.
		Brendan's here.
		We've got lots more.
		We'll be right back.
		From the high desert and the great American Southwest.
		Good morning, everybody.
		I am Art Bell, filling in for George Norrie this Friday night, Saturday morning.
		We're doing EVP.
		That's electronic voice phenomenon.
		Now, you tell me what you think it is.
		And in addition to that, if you'd like to pass along a ghost story in email, I may well read it.
		Come ghost to ghost this Halloween.
		Simply put it down in a way that I can read on the air and send it to artbell at mindspring.com or artbell at aol.com.
		Ghost to ghost this year.
		Unscreened ghost stories.
		We'll be right back.
		I wonder if you two, during the collection of these EVPs, have ever felt, oh, for example, intense cold.
		A lot of times when there's a spirit around, it seems like it's accompanied by the feeling of intense cold or maybe other things like sort of an electric feeling in the air with the hair standing up on the back of your neck, that kind of deal.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah.
		We've experienced that.
		Both.
		You know, it's not even just cold.
		There's been times that I guess you could describe it almost like a hot flash.
		Really?
		In fact, I believe it was my wife, Jenny, had recorded a voice where you hear her on the tape saying, you know, I just, I feel really, really hot.
		And all of a sudden there's a voice that I believe says, hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Mike in Auburn, Washington has a question which I thought was good.
		He says, hire, please ask your guests if they've ever recorded an EVP that has told them any important or useful information that was usable, for example, in solving a crime or any other mystery that was previously not solved or known about before.
unidentified		No, no.
		And, you know, ultimately, I mean, that form of contemporary information is the ultimate.
		I mean, if we could record something like that, it would be amazing.
		We have had cases where we've recorded things we didn't know about.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Like the plastic eyes.
		When we were in the mausoleum at one time, we recorded a voice that said plastic eyes.
		And they do use plastic eyes on bodies.
		You know, it keeps the eye shaped, and it helps keep the eyes closed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I kind of remember that.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		But, I mean, it goes back to we didn't know that until we recorded the voice, but Barbara called the funeral director asking what plastic eyes would need.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Still in the exchange, and on to number 12.
		What have we got here?
unidentified		All right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You're going to hear a woman, there's no context to this.
		There was no body in this room where Brendan had set up the recorder and the mic, but you're going to hear a woman say, I don't want to come.
		I don't want to come back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, all right.
		Here we go.
		All right, that's clear and not clear at the same time.
		I'm not sure of the first part of it.
		You're saying she's saying, I don't want to come, I don't want to come back.
		Now, the first part of that is not quite as clear to me.
unidentified		Really?
		See, I almost hear it.
		It's almost like it's muffled at the beginning, but I still just hear, I don't want to come, I don't want to come back.
		Now, I mean, what's interesting about that, I mean, aside from there's a voice there, obviously, that was recorded in the observation room of this building.
		When it used to be a mental health facility, where this was recorded was the room that they would monitor patients for 48 hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go again.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's eerie.
		I've always worried about truck drivers out, you know, out in the middle of a highway interstate somewhere, listening to this stuff in the middle.
		At least it'll keep them awake, I guess.
		Man, that's eerie.
		Plus, it had that, it had a kind of a weird sound to it, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, there was definitely a weird sound to it.
		And I think actually what you're hearing, you can hear in the background kind of a buzzing.
		And what that is, is the air conditioner in that building.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		That's probably where the odd sound comes from.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We're still in the exchange for the next couple of these.
		And I guess this next one is going to be Brendan's voice first.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What have we got here?
unidentified		Basically, I'm just resetting the time on the laptop that we're recording with.
		And we always, when we reset time or change tapes, anything like that, we always start out by saying this is where we're at, you know, this is what we're doing, and then walk off and do whatever it is we're going to do on the investigation.
		So on this clip, you're going to hear me say, okay, this is our second recording from the building, and we're now getting ready to leave.
		And this one you hear, it's either a man or a woman.
		I just can't tell.
		But it sounds like they say it's dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		Or it could be he's dead, actually.
unidentified		I can hear he's dead when I listen to this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, inevitably, you know, during the last hour of the program, we usually have an opportunity for people to call in.
		And I will be ready to go back and re-listen to some of these folks if you think something else was said.
		And we're perfectly willing to consider it.
		Here it is.
unidentified		Okay, this is our second recording from the hint.
		are now getting ready to leave.
		Yikes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It definitely sounds to me like it's saying it's dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's dead.
unidentified		You're right, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not dead.
		Not he or she, but it's dead.
		I'm trying to think, why would you say it's dead?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		But then again, remember, this is a, there was a mental health facility.
unidentified		So, you know, I imagine some of the people there and some of the things they would have said didn't make sense to anybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a very good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, one more time.
unidentified		Okay, this is our second recording from him.
		are now getting ready to beat.
		It's bad.
		It's bad.
		It's bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's nothing coming from a radio station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's for sure.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
		And I hear on that one, I believe that it's saying he's dead.
		I hear he.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		But again, in a mental health facility, it might not even have meaning that we would understand.
		I know, I guess this next one really bothers you, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's very disturbing.
		And there was no one in the building at the time that this was recorded.
		We had set up the laptop and had left the building.
		You're also going to hear water in this building, I mean, in this recording, and there was no water.
unidentified		Now, the water had been shut off at this building for, I believe, 15 years.
unidentified		At least.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And there was no source of water that was recorded in this recording.
unidentified		And basically, we won't even give out what it's saying.
		I mean, that's pretty much up to everybody.
		A lot of people hear the same thing, but they can listen to it.
		You know, listeners can listen to it, figure out what they think it's saying.
		But just keep in mind, everything in this track should not have been recorded.
		Everything was just anomalous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you just left, what kind of recorder was it, please?
unidentified		This was recorded on the laptop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On a laptop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you just left the laptop with a what kind of mic?
unidentified		This was not the condenser mic.
unidentified		This was just a standard external mic that we used.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody left the building?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just left it there for, what, hours?
unidentified		No, actually, we had been outside for, I believe, 40, 45 minutes and then came in.
unidentified		We were looking around the premises of the building while I was recording in that room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Grabbed the laptop and, I guess, went home.
unidentified		What was that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Grabbed the laptop and then went home and found this, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, and this is what I was saying earlier when I heard this.
		It just, you know, after you listen to it, you'll understand.
		It's just how do you react to that?
		You know it shouldn't be there.
		And to have it be as long as it is and to, you know, just kind of understand what it's saying or what we think it's saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's take a listen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen very carefully, everybody.
unidentified		Listen very carefully.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What I hear, and you don't tell us what you hear in this one, you just say drowning voice.
		What I hear is somebody saying, help me.
		I hear help me, I think, a couple of times.
		And then I have a suggestion for this one, Brendan.
		There's a lot of low-end in this audio.
		I'm not sure it comes through.
		It may not even come through on AM radio or through the processing gear.
		But if you were to eliminate the low-end rumble to that audio, you'd probably hear the voice and the because the voice is higher in pitch, as is the sounds of the water.
		So you could actually take the bottom-end audio out of that and probably end up with quite a clear recording.
		There's a lot of rumble in it, yes?
unidentified		Oh, yeah, yeah.
		And definitely.
		We're definitely going to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so you feel it's a drowning, it's a victim drowning in water?
unidentified		Yeah, again, this goes back to it was just so hard to figure it out because you don't want to think that's what it is.
unidentified		And we ended up after we heard it, all of us Came to the conclusion that's what we thought was happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what do you think the voice is saying?
unidentified		To me, I actually hear three different voices.
		I hear a young kid's voice, I hear an older man's voice, and a woman's voice.
		And obviously, the water.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And I think the child is saying, I can't breathe.
unidentified		Help me, I can't breathe.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And he repeats that several times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I got the help me clearly.
		I'm going to listen again, as is everybody else.
		Help me, I can't breathe.
		Listen for that.
unidentified		Here we go.
unidentified		God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is very, very disturbing.
		I now hear the other voices.
		That requires very carefully, very carefully listening.
unidentified		Yeah, it does.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like somebody struggling in water.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure when you two found that, you must have totally freaked.
unidentified		Oh, God.
		When I, you know, and here's the thing.
		The way I found this was, as I said, we weren't in the building at the time.
		And when I listen to all these, I listen on the laptop using Adobe Audition.
		So obviously I can see kind of a wave graph of everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And I got to this spot where I knew we were gone.
		I knew nobody was in there.
		But yet I'm seeing a graph that shows people talking.
		So I went right through it, or right to it.
		And the first thing I heard was the water.
		And at that point, I was like, something is just weird here.
		So I backed up about 40 seconds and heard this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm telling you again, especially using Adobe Audition, if you take a little end rumble out of that, you're going to end up with something quite clear, I think.
unidentified		Oh, I think so, too.
unidentified		Little North definitely do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the other hand, of course, when you do any processing, people tend to look at you cross-eyed, I guess, huh?
unidentified		You know they do.
		But it goes back to, you know, why would we do anything?
		You know, I mean, we spend money doing this.
		We don't make money, certainly.
		Why would we fake anything?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		What's the purpose and what's the point?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We wouldn't waste this much time.
unidentified		I've got much better things I could be doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you believe that you're proving life after death?
unidentified		I hate using the word proving because you can only prove it to yourself.
		We can't do that for you.
		Nobody can do that for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've never seen a ghost.
		I have felt the presence of a spirit personally once, but I've never seen a ghost.
		And what I've heard from you two is the closest I've ever come to hearing a ghost.
		And I think that's what I'm hearing here.
		I guess what we, for lack of a better term, we would call ghosts, right?
unidentified		Right, right.
		And ultimately, we do this just, you know, to open people's minds to it.
		We don't expect that we are going to prove it to them, but at least they realize there could be something out there and they might go try this for themselves and prove it to themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People should understand, you don't just go out and in five minutes, unless you're incredibly lucky, get something on tape or on whatever you're recording on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could take hours.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and there's times that we don't get anything when we go to a location.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How often?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Out of curiosity?
unidentified		Oh.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It happens.
		I mean, you know, I mean, the majority of the time we're pretty lucky and one of us will record something, you know.
		But there have been occasions when we've gone to a location that we have recorded EVPs before, and we won't get anything.
		None of us, you know, will get any kind of recording.
		So it happens.
		And I don't know what the conditions are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, on the one hand, you have said in the past that you can get recordings anywhere.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I noticed that you go to prisons and, I don't know, we're going to go to a witch's house here in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, all kinds of places like that.
unidentified		Well, again, these are places that we've either been told about or they've contacted us.
		We don't just pick these locations.
		Well, aside from the cemeteries, we do just because we've heard certain things from townspeople.
		But these people let us know that there's something going on here.
		And obviously, if we get enough reports, it's worth going to check it out.
		And it just so happens that these are the locations that people report things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how in the world did you get to a witch's house?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		They contacted us.
unidentified		Yeah, they actually sent us an email to our website and sounded almost terrified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They, plural, as in a coven?
unidentified		You know, I don't know if it was a coven or not, but it was two witches.
		So maybe that's what it was.
		But this house was different to me because I don't believe what was here was an actual ghost.
		I think this is more along the lines of a demonic being.
		The tracks that you hear, you'll hear a kid's voice, an old man's voice.
		I actually believe those are all the same entity.
		I believe this is this demonic entity that's pretending to be a kid to gain sympathy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I think we've got time to do one, so let's Do one.
		This is going to come from a witch's house.
		It's number 15.
		Set it up for me.
unidentified		Okay.
		Now, this one, I was in the basement, and you're going to hear me say, Is anyone here?
		Does anyone want to talk to me?
		And you're going to hear a kid, sounds like he says, There was blood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Blood.
		Okay, great.
		Here we go.
unidentified		Anyone here?
		You want to talk to me?
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No question about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here it is again very quickly.
unidentified		Anyone here?
unidentified		You want to talk to me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, guys.
		I hadn't heard that one before.
		There was blood.
unidentified		Bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bad, bad, bad.
		All recorded in a witch's house.
		And when we come back, the balance of what they found or, no, what they heard after they left the witch's house and sat down and listened to the recording.
		EVPs, I'm Art Bell.
		The high desert, actually, adjacent to Area 51, kind of an eerie area all by itself.
		Brendan Cook, Barbara Macbeth, are my guests.
		GIS.
unidentified		They record.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they record Voices from the Other Side.
		And there was quite a reaction to that little water segment we did a moment ago.
		We may have to return to it.
		I've got a couple of comments that I'll pass on to you from listeners who heard it.
		In a moment.
		Once again, the GIS and you two, a couple of responses, many really.
		But Steve R. from Wisconsin says, hey, Art, can you play the clip with the kid being drowned by his mother again?
		I just want to make sure that I'll never be able to sleep again.
		Or Josh in Salt Lake City up near y'all, Art in the last EVP from the exchange, is it possible that the voices we heard were that of a mother killing her child and the low male voice was that of a demon telling the mother to do it?
		And the event was so horrible that all three voices were picked up.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's quite, that's a lot to make out of that.
unidentified		We've heard the mother theory before.
unidentified		We have heard that people think it is a mother drowning her child.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I've never heard the demon part of it before, but there is a deep, low voice in that recording.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I heard it the last time.
		I'm going to play it again now.
		And everybody listen very carefully and see if you make of that what those people did.
unidentified		No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
		No, that wasn't it.
		Clearly, that was something awful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know whether I make that of it or not, but it was something bad.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not even going to venture a guess.
		All right, let's go on, pick up where we were.
		I do want to allow people to ask questions this hour, and I would ask that you make it relevant to EVPs if you have questions, folks.
		But let's go on to number 16 right now.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're going to hear Brendan ask, he was down in the basement of the witch's house, and she had received, one of the ladies had received very thin, deep scratches across the back of her neck and on her arms that drew blood.
		And you're going to hear Brendan ask, did you scratch that lady?
		Why would you do that?
		And he recorded this voice, says, to cause her pain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that sounds like a very direct response.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Did you scratch that lady?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would you do that?
unidentified		Number three.
		Number three.
		Number three.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, that is what it sounds like, to cause her pain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's a very direct response, isn't it?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I see, I don't like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, if you're just catching sort of random bits of something that's coming through from somewhere, that's one thing.
		If you're getting a direct response to something you say, and it seems undeniably so in this clip, that's, I mean, they can hear us and we can't hear them.
		Anyway, here it is again.
unidentified		Did you scratch that lady?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would you do that?
		To cause her pain.
		That's very clear.
		Too clear.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, it is.
		Again, it's just disturbing what was going on in that house.
		It just makes me think it wasn't an actual ghost.
		It was something else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in all the years that you've been doing this, how often have you encountered something that you regard as not a ghost, not a life that was, but rather something in the demon world?
unidentified		me, this is it.
		This is, as far as I can recall, the only one that I would not consider a spirit that's somebody that's lived and died and came back for whatever reason.
		This is the only time.
		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And okay, so we're going to stay with the apparent demon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And number 17 takes us where.
unidentified		All right.
		Now, this one, and again, this is relevant to the last clip.
		You're going to hear Barbara talking to the lady of the house.
		And she says, and what is transpiring here?
		Is it something that's fearful to you?
		And the woman says yes.
		And then you're going to hear, it sounds like a kid, again, say, I'll cut you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cut you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And what is transpiring here?
unidentified		Is it something that's fearful to you?
		I'll catch you.
		I'll catch you.
		I'll catch you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that could be argued.
		I'm not sure about that one.
		It could be I'll cut you, I guess.
		Any other candidates?
unidentified		There have been people that have heard it.
unidentified		Also, they hear it as I'll catch you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me try listening to it that way.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And what is transpiring here?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Is it something that's terrible?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Who can I shoot?
unidentified		Who can I shoot?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you, there is a lot of suggestion involved in these things, isn't there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, when you said that, all of a sudden I hear, I'll catch you.
unidentified		That is, and unfortunately, that really is the nature with a lot of these voices.
		They're very subjective.
		We say, well, this is what you're going to hear, and most people are going to go, well, that's what I hear.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And there's sometimes we don't agree.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		All five of us can't agree on what a voice is saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so how then does whatever it is that gets put on paper get put there?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Brendan's the tech guy, so he decides.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has your group remained for how many years with the same people?
unidentified		Ten years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ten years.
unidentified		Well, almost ten years.
unidentified		98 is one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure that you have people calling and volunteering and wanting to be part of the group all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you handle that?
unidentified		Yeah, we deal with it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You know, we take people with us.
		You know, I mean, it's not always just the five of us, and sometimes all five of us can't go at the location.
		But, you know, on serious investigations or places that don't want it publicized, you know, or they're afraid of people knowing about it, we're very discreet about that.
		We'll keep it to just GIS members.
unidentified		Yeah, and we're more than happy to point people in directions of other groups, you know, ones that do allow members to come in.
		It goes back to what we were saying.
		We want people to do this if this is something that interests them.
		We're simply here, you know, to show people this is what's there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I notice another thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure that a lot of people send you EVPs that they have captured, but you really don't include those, do you?
unidentified		No, we've done that in a couple of shows with you, one or two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very rare, though.
unidentified		Yeah, and maybe we can look at doing that again because we do get a lot, and a lot are really, really good.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's just that we weren't there, and we can't verify what's taking place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, number 18.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		On this one, this is at a different location.
		We went on an investigation.
		We are continuing on it.
		It's about 500 acres.
		There's 47 buildings.
		And so it's going to take quite a while to do an investigation at this place because it's just so large.
		But you're going to hear a man that was with us on this investigation say, do you want to come talk to us?
		Is there something that you'd like us to know?
		And you're going to hear a woman say, not really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Do you want to come talk to us?
		Is there something you'd like us to know?
		Ha, ha, ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not really.
		That's, again, though, a direct response, isn't it?
		Is there something you want us to know?
		Not really.
		So things are just going along as they are over there.
		Nothing the living need to know about.
unidentified		And you know what's interesting?
		Barbara brought this up tonight to me.
		This was recorded at a place in Salt Lake called This Is the Place Heritage Park.
		It was the original Mormon.
		It was where the Mormons originally settled in the Salt Lake Valley.
		And this was recorded in the Kimball House, which was actually a prophet of the Mormon church.
		And it was recorded right next to his first wife's bedroom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		So, I mean, take of it what you will.
unidentified		It's obviously a woman's voice and recorded right next to her bedroom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could be the first wife then.
unidentified		It could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here it is again.
unidentified		Do you want to come talk to us?
		Is there something you'd like us to know?
		Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		We only have one more, and then we can go to questions from the audience.
		And of course, there are going to be a lot of questions about all of this.
		Number 19, what have we got?
unidentified		All righty.
		Now, this one, this was recorded in a mortician's house.
		And this is one of the, aside from the drowning voice, this is one of the hardest things I've had trying to rationalize.
		It's just, I can't do it no matter what I do.
		I can't figure out what this would have been.
		But you're going to hear me say, is anyone here?
		And then a kid is going to say, I'm Gabe.
		And as he's saying this, I saw a kid in the mirror behind me.
		And it looked like the kid was running behind me.
		And his neck was, or his head was kind of turned almost unnaturally.
		It's like he was running forward, but almost looking in back at them.
		It was just, it really disturbed me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like they had 180 degrees?
unidentified		No, it wasn't that far.
		It wasn't, you know, Linda Blair exorcist kind of thing.
		It was unnatural.
		It wasn't right.
		You're going to hear me say no way, reacting to the kid.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Because he sees in the mirror.
unidentified		And then you're going to hear the kid laugh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here we go.
unidentified		Is anyone here?
		no way No way.
		I'm a giving.
		No way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man, that's a good one.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really a good one.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And what's so great about it is that he saw it visually.
unidentified		I can't think of another time that's happened where we visually see something or have some kind of experience like that and also record something at the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		So, again, you ask, is anyone here?
		You hear, I'm Gabe.
		And now, are you looking in the mirror as you...
		So you see the child say I'm Gabe?
		Or actually see him say I'm Gabe?
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
		I didn't see him say I'm Gabe.
		I just, I mean, it looked like he was a good 15 feet behind me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		And nor did you, did you see him laughing?
unidentified		No, he was already out.
		He would have been out of the frame when he was laughing.
		I mean, it was just that quick.
		That's why when you hear him say no way, he was already gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so no way was just your reaction to seeing him quickly in the mirror.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here it is again, folks.
unidentified		Is anyone here?
		I'm a gimmick.
		no way No way.
		I'm a gym.
		No way.
		Oh, man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good one.
		I really like that.
		All right.
		I would like to allow the audience.
		Obviously there are going to be questions about all this.
		People want to know how to do it themselves, the best equipment, uh, how you've done it, whether, Do you ever get recordings that are not in English?
unidentified		Yeah, definitely.
		And I think we'll definitely bring them on the show.
		We've had some in German, some in Spanish.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like German.
		I don't know if it's German or not.
		And we've had many people respond that know German saying what they believe it is.
		And there's been several different things that have come in on these German ones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't it be interesting?
		Well, I suppose EVPs are done all over the world.
		So the Germans, for the most part, get German EVPs, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		They do.
unidentified		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so if you're in an English-speaking country, obviously you're going to get predominantly English.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever had the experience to go to another country and see what you get?
unidentified		Other than we've gone to London, but, I mean, it's just...
unidentified		You know, it's English.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it you got the accent.
unidentified		Yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We have recorded English-sounding accents on EVP here in the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Let's begin taking some questions from the audience.
		You're welcome to ask anything relevant.
		Matt in Ontario, you're on the air with GIS.
unidentified		Yes, I'm Matt.
		Do you ever use high-impedance coils instead of microphones?
		Or do you use any crystal microphones?
		Or, you know, because I work with electronics.
		I'm a technician.
		No, it's definitely been suggested to us.
		We haven't used it before, though.
		I mean, it's definitely something we'll look into trying.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You know, I mean, this is equipment that we buy ourselves.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And so, you know, we fund ourselves.
unidentified		So if you ever need any help constructing anything, let me know.
		I mean, I know a lot about different sciences, you know.
		Like when you saw the child, you know, that's full-time MM Nason, you know.
		Right.
		No, definitely.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Contact us through our website.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I recall several years ago I said what you should have is a recorder that would allow you to listen as the EVPs were occurring.
		It would take a couple of heads.
		That was back when you were working with recorders, right?
unidentified		Yeah, and we did, at the time, we had a man that built three or four of them for us.
		And it just, I don't know if it was the quality or what it was, but it just never really worked out.
		I did hear a couple of things, but it was just so hard to hear.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's go to Sylvia in Seattle, Washington.
		You're on the air with GIS.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi.
		I have a question for the ghost investigators.
		I was wondering if you ever picked up any animal sounds or ever considered going to a slaughterhouse or pet cemetery.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we have recorded animal sounds.
unidentified		And we have been to a pet cemetery, actually.
		But it was just because it was adjacent to an actual cemetery that we were investigating.
		But we have recorded animal sounds, yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And some of them are on our website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, there you go.
		So on the website, that is very interesting.
		You know, a lot of us conclude that animals have souls, as do humans.
		And So it would make sense, I guess, if humans go to the other side, so do our pets.
		How often have you encountered the sounds of animals?
unidentified		Oh, it's rare.
unidentified		I mean, very rare.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think out of all the recordings we've got, I can think offhand about three.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About three.
		Well, I guess it would be unusual, but I guess I'm glad to hear that they are over there.
		All right, you two, stand by.
		We're going to come back and do one segment of nothing but questions from the audience.
		So if something here has piqued your interest or you thought you heard something a little different.
		Indeed so.
		This is Art Bell in tonight for George, who's taking a well-earned day off.
		Brendan Cook, Barbara Macbeth, the GIS are my guests.
		What you heard for the last several hours were the voices, I believe, well, for the most part, anyway, save the last several from the other side.
		And in a moment, if you have a question for these two, we're up for it.
		Stay right where you are.
		Ghost to Ghost is coming up very quickly.
		I want to remind everybody this year we're going to do unscreened ghost stories.
		That's right, unscreened.
		In addition to that, if you wish to send in a ghost story, I will read some good ones on the air.
		Just simply email me, artbell at mindspring.com or artbell at aol.com.
		And if you two are ready, we're going to go to more questions.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
		Corey in Stockton, California.
		Your turn with the GIS.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
		Yeah, I just, first off, I wanted to say that I was driving home from work and I started listening to your program and hearing the tortured screams in the prison.
		I have not had the heebie-jeebies like that in the last couple of years since I saw a definite figure at a place where I worked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, driving alone and hearing that, not good.
unidentified		No.
		I actually had to stop and get off the road and kind of get out and compose myself.
		It gave me the willies so bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		Yes, it would definitely do that in the middle of the night out there driving under nearly a full moon.
		Anyway, any questions?
unidentified		Yes, I wanted to ask the GIS crew, have they ever been to a hotel in Monterey that's supposedly haunted?
		Can't quite recall the name.
		I could probably find it out a little bit later.
		But I remember going on a tour there, and I remember feeling the same kind of sensation there that I had felt when I had my ghost phenomenon experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any hotels in the Monterey area?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, we haven't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Y'all don't get to travel that much, do you?
unidentified		Well, we do as much as we can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If somebody really had a problem and wanted to fly you to from here to wherever, do you do that kind of thing?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we would, but it's never been offered yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess it's as easy for the person to get out a recorder, listen to the program, learn how to do it, and do it themselves, right?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, to Weatherford, Texas, and Devon, you're on with the GIS.
unidentified		Hi.
		Well, I guess I'd like to start by saying I can sympathize with the other driver.
		I drive all night long delivering newspapers, so I kind of know what he's feeling.
		The recording with the woman with the broken neck, when I was listening to it, it sounded like she was asking who broke her neck, as opposed to accusing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which one was that, folks?
		Broken neck.
		Anybody know?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Number 10.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number 10?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		While we've got this caller on the line, let's hit it very quickly.
		Here we go.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Still sound the same?
unidentified		Yeah, it sounds like she's asking, as opposed to, who broke my neck?
unidentified		Yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Is that what you hear?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caller?
		I guess he's gone.
		Devin, are you still there?
		No, Devin's gone.
		Okay, so I guess that was it.
		He was wondering if it was a question.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Who broke my neck?
unidentified		That's right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It could be.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I mean.
unidentified		Well, again, it goes back to I definitely hear broke my neck.
		The first part is questionable.
		Who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Ronnie in Hershey, Pennsylvania.
		You're on with GIS.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		I have a couple questions.
		My name is Ronnie, and I was wondering whether these voices and sounds are from another dimension in space and time.
		You know, when a spirit passes over, if they don't go all the way, then they get stuck in this dimension.
		Like, I believe in other dimensions, like the fifth dimension, and it could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Monnie, the answer to that would have to be, of course it could be from another dimension.
		We don't know the nature of the other side.
		You know, so sure, it could be.
unidentified		I mean, they sound like such tortured souls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they do.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Most of them do sound that way, yes.
unidentified		Like they're having conversations with each other, and then when you come in and ask a question, you interrupt them.
		For instance, it seemed to me like when he had that creaky door, when he opened that door, and the guy asked him a question, and then he answered the question before he answered it.
		I don't know if it's so much we interrupt them, but without a doubt, the majority certainly seem aware of us.
		They seem to be aware of what we're doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot more aware of us than we are of them.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
unidentified		Yeah, because we're made of energy, and when our energy passes over in the form of our soul, then they can communicate.
		And I have one real quick question.
		Can you use just a regular tape recorder?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		Anything that will record sounds like Gettysburg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Ronnie, I have a question for you.
unidentified		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hearing all this tonight, does it comfort you or trouble you?
unidentified		No, it intrigues me because I have a very scientific, inquiring mind.
		And I'm going to go over to Gettysburg, and I'm going to go through the battlefield.
		And I've been told that that's one of the most haunted places in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So am I. Ronnie, if you get anything good, by all means, send it to me.
		I think she's right about that.
		It is one of the most haunted places in the world.
		And I guess it would be a great place to visit.
		So if you guys had unlimited funds and you could travel, boy, could you have fun.
		Or what you guys call fun.
		All right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Dream come true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Janie in Dallas, Texas.
		You're on with the GIS.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Yeah, the lady just asked a question for me about what I could use to record.
		And I have an old tape recorder, so that would work okay?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it would work fine, except that you might get a lot of motor noise from the tape recorder motor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when you've got an analog recorder running, there is motor noise, and then there's a kind of a hiss, a tape hiss that you're going to get, too.
unidentified		Yeah, and we always.
		I've already heard that.
		But I wondered if I went back to my grandparents' house, their house was haunted, and there was a ghost, and he did talk to me.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		What I would recommend, if you, you know, you can use anything that'll record sound for recording EVP.
		But I would recommend that you ask it and invite it to talk with you.
		Just like people, most people won't butt into conversations without being invited to speak.
		And also, when you're listening, use headphones to listen when you get back home to listen to your recording.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because it might be very light.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Yeah, in the early years, you all used analog recorders.
		I remember the early years very well because they were full of hiss and all kinds of noise.
		So it's improved greatly.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
		Yeah, definitely.
		And now, especially, you know, going back to the condenser mic, oh, the quality is just amazing.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're pulling me into the 21st century, whether I like it or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ryan in Salt Lake City, Utah, up near the GIS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, how you doing?
		I just had a question for Brennan and Barbara.
		I was wondering, in your guys' research, if you had ever run across recordings where, you know, the spirits or entity you were talking to seemed like they were, you know, overtly talkative, like they really wanted to, you know, communicate a lot, you know, besides just kind of saying little bits and pieces here and there.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		As far as the EVP goes, we have not.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But we have been at locations along with getting EVP, there's been a lot of ghost activity that has been experienced, that we have experienced at the same time.
unidentified		I think, really, with EVP, it almost seems like it just really takes a lot for them even to muster, you know, a few words or a word.
		And I don't know if they can go on on these long sentences.
		And the exception to that, of course, is this drowning voice that we played because, you know, I mean, that's a minute long.
		Yeah, exactly.
		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Ryan, thank you.
unidentified		All righty, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And to Tanya in Woodstock, New York.
unidentified		Yes, hi.
		Well, a few weeks ago, my father died, and he was the first one to give me a book on Constantine Rodiva, one of the earlier EVP people.
		And I thought, well, I'll get my tape recorder out and see if I can get him to say anything to me.
		And also, at the same time, kind of invited anybody who wanted to possibly speak.
		So I put their tape recorder on and kind of went about my business.
		And the day before this happened, I had an avalanche of a bunch of junk that fell down in my living room, and it was this big crash.
		And I came running and was upset.
		Everything was all over the floor.
		So what I heard, I forgot I was recording, but I heard this loud crash and then screamed because it was so loud, couldn't find anything in the house that had fallen or anything out of place.
		And I have this teeny little clip.
		I thought, you know, could I play it for you?
		Sure.
		You'll kind of hear me burp a little bit, and then you'll hear this crash and me scream and then say, now what the hell?
		It is hissy, so because it's just, there's no external mic, but I hope you can hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's try.
unidentified		That was it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought I heard go to hell.
unidentified		No, I said, now what the hell?
unidentified		But I looked around and I went, oh my gosh, maybe this was one of these, quote, EVPs that I could hear, but it was quite a crash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was quite a crash.
unidentified		Yeah, so anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Tanya, thank you.
unidentified		Thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		Okay, somebody who was ready to mark in Washington.
		You're on with the EVP.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, how are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		Two things.
		I think someone just called in a minute ago, or a few minutes ago, about he broke my neck.
		And when I listened to that, I heard who, or yeah, who broke my neck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who broke my neck.
unidentified		Okay.
		Yeah, that And a little ghost thing that I encountered when I was living in Butte, Montana, me and my cousin were walking down to my other cousin's house, and there's this little bridge over a street.
		And as we were like 20, 25 feet, I saw something out of the top of my eye.
		And I looked up and I saw a girl there with reddish hair that was kind of half naked on top, and she was looking at us.
		And when I looked up and I saw what she was like that, I was kind of freaked out.
		And I asked them, Mike, are you okay?
		What happened?
		Like that?
		And she just looked at me and was like freaked out too.
		Like she was surprised that I could see her when I was talking to her.
		Really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I've heard that from a lot of people who have had ghost encounters, that the entity is surprised, suddenly surprised, that you can see it.
unidentified		Right.
		Yeah.
		And that's, yeah.
		I mean, it's definitely different.
		You know, it kind of makes me think of an EVP.
		I know we've played this on your show a couple of times.
		But there was an EVP that we recorded in a cemetery.
		It sounds like an old woman saying, I'm completely dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I recall that.
unidentified		And it was almost like she was surprised we were there and suddenly realized, you know, I'm dead.
unidentified		I'm, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Completely dead.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Marty in Sacramento, you're on with the GIS.
		Hi.
unidentified		This is from Marty?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes, hi, out of Sacramento, California.
		It seems to me, and this has always bothered me about EVPs, is there seems to be a certain hyper-suggestibility in one's own language.
		Have you guys ever attempted to check out the EVPs in different languages?
		Because there should be a certain universality to all this.
		Oh, there is.
		Yeah, definitely.
		I know we talked about this earlier.
		We have German EVPs.
		There are German websites, especially in Germany.
		For some reason, it's very, very popular there, but the majority of those recordings are German.
		There's French, you know, it seems to...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, does it follow the same pattern that we have here?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		The majority of them are very short.
unidentified		Maybe one word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so the longer ones are very unusual.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Rob is in a truck somewhere in Ohio.
		You're on with the GIS.
unidentified		Trucking through the night.
unidentified		Art, God bless you and your new family, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Us truck drivers want to thank you for keeping us alive and awake at night to the thousands of miles.
unidentified		What I wanted to ask the GIS, did they check in the mausoleums to see if there was any kids entombed in there?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there are.
		There are.
		There are many children.
		In fact, right at the, when you go down into the basement on the first landing, there is a wall, but there's nothing there but children.
unidentified		Oh, that's scary.
		What's up with the water, too?
		We never used to hear water.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I know that's what's so unusual about that one because the building has no water source.
unidentified		I just wanted to tell Art thanks.
		You two are in the top ten.
		You and Evelyn is two of my top ten.
		Thank you.
		You made my whole world tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care, my friend.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Be safe on the highway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Hi.
		This is Gay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Gay.
unidentified		I'm calling from Columbia, Missouri.
		Okay.
		And I would like to ask if you ever do any follow-up on any of the stories behind the voices.
		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		As much as possible.
unidentified		Huh?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		As much as possible.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we do.
unidentified		Have you ever written a book or anything that tells the behind-the-scenes stuff?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		That would be so interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I haven't done that because, you know, it would compromise them in the sense that they would then be in a position of making money.
		And I'm sure it's very, very tempting to want to do that.
		But the fact that they don't make any money, they don't sell books, they don't sell anything for that matter, that I'm aware of.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		No, we present everything that we do as free on our website.
		You can go there, listen to all the voices that we've recorded, all the videos.
		We're in the process of doing a forum so people can share their own EVPs.
		And, you know, we want to make it as open to everybody as possible.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This isn't our purpose to make money.
unidentified		Well, I didn't mean for making money.
		I just thought, you know, it'd be on your website do you do follow-up?
		Would that be kosher?
		Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
		And we post, you know, the investigations that we do.
		We post on the website as much history as we can about the place that we're investigating.
		Okay.
		That's what I wanted to know.
		You guys are great.
		Thanks so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Thank you.
		And I agree completely.
		I've said this a million times.
		You know, as tempting as it must be, because I'm sure you can use the funding.
		You know, I think it's best that you keep it as it is.
		It really adds to the credibility of the whole thing.
		It's been another fascinating night.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I want to thank you both.
		And who knows, some months down the line, I'm sure we'll get back together again and do this again.
		But in the meantime, thank you all so very much.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good night, you two.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Ark.
unidentified		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		There you have it, folks.
		That's it for this night.
		Now, listen carefully.
		Ghost to Ghost, as you know, is coming up very quickly on the 31st.
		And we're going to do open lines.
		We tried screened last time.
		This time we'll go open lines, which means that you all should have your story ready.
		You should, of course, be prepared to turn your radio down.
		And if you would like to send in a ghost story, I'm going to take some of the better ones that you submit and read them on the air.
		Simply send them to Art Bell, A-R-T-B-E-D-L, at mindspring, M-I-N-D-S-P-R-I-N-G.com or Artbell at A-O-L dot com.
		And with that, it's been a wonderful night, and we'll see you, I guess, the next time around.
		in the meantime, there is a picture, as I mentioned, of Asia up.
		If you go to the coasttocoastaium.com website, I'm sure it'll be up until the very early morning or perhaps through the day tomorrow.

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