Art Bell revisits parapsychologist Evelyn Paglini’s eerily accurate 2011 warnings—California wildfires linked to arson, a mid-December virus resembling flu-like symptoms, and nuclear threats—before shifting to the Ghost Investigators Society (GIS), featuring Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeath. They share chilling EVPs from haunted sites like Nevada’s Brewery Lodge ("RVM zone") and Utah mausoleums, where children’s voices ("I can’t see," "Gabe") and tormented pleas ("help, I'm in here") emerge amid EMF spikes. Cook dismisses demonic claims but acknowledges distorted voices, while McBeath confirms rare animal EVPs and brief, cryptic messages, often tied to unresolved trauma. Bell praises their non-monetary research, contrasting it with commercialized paranormal trends, as listeners debate recording methods and haunted locations like Gettysburg. The episode blends Paglini’s apocalyptic foresight with GIS’s raw EVP evidence, suggesting unseen forces—whether natural, human, or supernatural—shape our world’s chaos. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be upon the planet and all its time zones, so prolific and covered ever so well by this program, Coast to Coast A.M. It's my honor and privilege to be filling in for George on this Friday night, Saturday morning.
Great to be here.
And let me cover a couple of things, a couple of housekeeping things right up front.
The bells are all fine.
There are no photographs on the website.
My webcam is up, but it's not being carried over by the Coast to Coast AM site.
So I guess you'll not see any photos.
There is one up there of Asia taken, oh, I don't know, last week or so.
But again, it's not being carried over to the Coast to Coast AM website yet.
It may be during the program.
We'll see.
And if so, it'll be a few days old, a week or so old of Asia, and she's just great.
Could not be better.
All the bells well, furred and non-furred.
Listen, coming up, of course, I'm going to be doing Ghost to Ghost as we do every year.
This year, however, we're going to do Open Line, Ghost to Ghost.
Last year we tried screening, and so this year I thought we'd try open lines.
And on that same note, those of you who have a really good ghost story, please feel free to email it to me.
Keep it short, sweet, usually a good punchline at the end.
And if you've got a really, really good ghost story, look, I guess I should say I take the idea of life after death, and therefore ghosts, as a very, very serious subject, as you'll find out as the evening goes on tonight.
And so for me, it is a very serious subject.
And though we're going to do open lines on the subject on Halloween, I would ask that you all refrain.
If you don't have a good ghost story, just sit back and listen, because there are many who do.
But if you would like to email one, I will read various ghost stories as we go through the evening.
So you can email them to artbell at mindspring.com.
That's A-R-T-B-E-L-L at mindspring.com or artbell at A-O-L.com.
I think the MindSpring holds a little more mail, so you might give that the preference.
And I'll take the best of the bunch and read a few to you as we do Halloween Eve.
Actually, into Halloween, right?
Well, of course, it has been a horrendous week for California.
Absolutely horrendous.
I've seen all of the coverage.
I watched the coverage as it unfolded, mostly KABC, actually, ran it in high definition, and so did KNBC, and I flipped between them.
And the coverage was excellent of a really horrible event, just horrible.
And as we now know, assisted by the hand of man.
I think it may have been the second day of the fires when we began having tens of thousands of people displaced from their homes.
And it was obvious we're going to lose 1,000 homes or more.
It's been that.
Nearly a million ultimately, I think, relocated temporarily.
It was horrible.
It was as horrible as I don't even know what you would compare it to, perhaps, the horrible hurricane that hit Louisiana.
I don't know.
It was just horrible.
And I'm so, so sorry for those of you who lost everything.
The heroics of the firefighters, I just was riveted by every moment of it.
And I guess about the second day, I realized, oh, oh, my God, she did it again.
And I think the best way of illustrating that is to take you back several months when I had Evelyn Paglini on the show.
And I picked three separate little clips that I think say it better than I ever could.
I mean, this is a woman who predicted hundreds of thousands displaced due to the flooding of the hurricane and has hit so many.
I mean, how many soothsayers over the years, remote viewers, psychics have I had on the program?
Have any of them ever come even close to what this woman has done?
No.
Not even close.
I now take you back several months.
Listen carefully.
The weather, it's completely bananas all over the world.
In the near term, in the next year or two, if you would look ahead for us, and is there any way you can tell what's coming?
Well, as far as the weather is concerned, the one thing I'm worried about, and I've been getting this a lot, and it's not just here in the state of California, even though I'm here.
I am picking up devastating fires, and I'm talking about tens of thousands of acres on fire, not only here in the state of California, but like I said, in other states.
But what's bothering me, in fact, I'd even ask your audience and those people, especially in the state of California, that maybe they can help out because I am picking up that a lot of this is going to be done by arson.
In art, I keep getting, I'm not seeing them clearly, but I keep getting three or four men and I only see them kneeling down.
And so I can't tell a lot about them, but they have got plans.
And they're not just in the state of California.
They're in other states, and they are going to start major fires.
Yes, and there's fires going on now in Florida and in Georgia.
We've had some in California.
And this is only going to increase as the year progresses and as we get into summer.
We're going to have massive fires, tens of thousands of acres.
Thousands of people are going to have to be evacuated.
Thousands of homes will be lost.
But more than that, Art, what I'm worried about is we have a killer heat wave coming in.
And it's going to come in more than once.
I don't know if it's back-to-back, but I have got a killer heat wave coming in that is really going to cost the lives of an awful lot of people besides power outages and blackouts.
And I also feel it's not just here in our nation, but it's also in Europe.
And I got the next 18 months because I had, like I said, a couple of groups that were doing planning.
So over and above what will naturally happen because of the drought and the dryness and the lack of rain, there will be a couple of groups of people who are intentionally going to be doing this.
Dr. Evelyn Paglini, parapsychologist, is one of the leading authorities on the occult and the supernatural in the U.S. She was born into a centuries-old family of practitioners of the cult.
At the age of four, her grandfather began teaching her natural magic.
She is a psychic, obviously, but a physical teacher, lecturer, consultant, doctor of divinity, and spiritual warrior.
She also founded International Psychic Center, a research investigation organization, and has been called upon by expert law enforcement agencies.
She has set precedent in the Texas court system on child abuse cases with ritual overtones and has worked with law enforcement on missing persons and murder cases involving the occult and the supernatural.
In a moment, once again, Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
Once again, because she did it again, here is Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
If I might again ask you this, and I'm sure that I've asked you this before, but as the number of times that you are correct in these things grows, people really do want to know how these things come to you, how they manifest to you.
Do you see them as video visions or is it something you feel?
It's happened all my life, but I basically stay into the magical end because I am a spiritual warrior and that's what I've always been called upon.
I've made warnings and predictions in the past that have come true when I was in Chicago.
I've had a lot of write-ups.
But I steered away from it.
But 2004, I believe I talked to you about this.
I made a switch.
It seemed like I was getting these signals, these warnings, and I wasn't hearing it from anyone else.
And I said, I'm going to have to talk about it.
I have to.
And so I kind of sidetracked a little bit about talking about the elements of natural magic and psychic self-defense and mirror magic and, you know, how to.
Well, you know, I said this a little earlier in the show, Evelyn.
I've had all kinds of soothsayers, you know, psychics, remote viewers, people who make various claims to knowing the future, but no one's come anywhere even close to the kind of, you know, your record is just spotless.
And that's not good because most of what you've had to say, of course, has been scary stuff, and it's manifested.
So it's been hit after hit after hit after hit.
And so I'm almost afraid.
And by the way, a lot of people who emailed Evelyn asked that you say something about our economic future.
You know, oil just went sailing over $90 a barrel.
It'll let up, but I feel that there's going to be another one that's either late November or early December, although I am worried about one fire here that may continue to burn for about three weeks or longer.
So I don't know if we're going to get a handle on one of them.
But see, I keep getting this feeling, and I got to be wrong.
I got to be wrong.
But I'm going to say either this year or next year, I want in California, especially here in Southern California, I want the Hollywood Hills watched.
Please, I'm from the state of Illinois originally and from Chicago.
And I want to say this because I want anybody in the state of Illinois and anybody who thinks about this man to put a shield of protection around him, and that is Barack Obama.
George was just asking generically if we would marry a robot.
No, but I just did get an email from Ed's mom, whoever that is, saying, attention.
Aliens are coming to abduct all the good-looking sexy people.
Your ass is safe.
I'm just emailing to say goodbye.
We'll be right back.
Tell you what, since we're talking with a woman who is able to so accurately predict the future, let's ask a little bit about the nature of it.
Evelyn, the future.
Now, you know, here you are, the best psychic we have, but you're also into magic.
And when you see something like Virginia Tech, a hurricane that's going to displace hundreds of thousands, firestorms that are going to sweep across California in the way they did, just thousands and thousands of people affected.
Is there any way that the future can be modified, changed, at all?
The experiments that you have done, if they are focused and done correctly, can be a great benefit.
People listening to their own intuition, their own psychic ability, which their consciousness is being raised, people now are getting warning signals and are starting to heed them, and that certainly is going to be a benefit.
Well, then if you were able to pin down the next major disaster, which you have not yet done, you see it coming, but you don't know quite what it is yet.
But if you did, then it really might be worth a mass consciousness experiment, which I don't jump lightly into, to try to alter it.
Of course, I suppose if we did that, people would say, well, you know, it was never going to happen anyway.
But that issue aside, you've hit so many on the head that I think it would be probably worth a try.
And I feel that this winter is not going to be a very good winter for people out there because I feel there's going to be an awful lot of sicknesses that they're not going to be able to diagnose.
I'd like to take a couple of calls before the top of the hour, if you don't mind.
Okay, here we go then.
Nancy in Chico, California, you're on with Dr. Peglini.
unidentified
Hi, Yes.
My name is Nancy.
Hi, Art.
Hi, Ms. Paglini.
My nephew was tragically killed at the end of August in a car accident, and I just wondered if you saw anything or he has anything, a message, anything.
Okay, we're not really doing personal readings, Nancy.
I'm awfully sorry.
We're just not doing that.
It's not something I do on the radio.
And so, Evelyn, I'll ask you to refrain.
We're sort of more into a general, you know, in other words, when you get into personal readings, it satisfies those who get them, but it doesn't do much for the rest of the audience.
So we want to try to keep it general if we can.
Let's see.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Paglini.
My friend has a prototype electric car, and it makes static electricity, runs on water.
They might have heard a little bit from Babamba, Senator Babamba talking about it, but in the future, do you see the electric car coming to light, even though they're not passing it through any inspections and safety and all that?
In other words, if somebody was under psychic attack, then I would be able to go to that individual that is the practitioner that is causing the problem, yes.
Well, God bless you, and you do great work for a lot of humanity.
I'd like to thank you for that.
Myself, I was born when I was really young.
I actually had that sensitive ability to pick up some things.
I look at people's faces, and I never met them, but I could say their names, you know, when I was young.
And I've had that strange gift for a while.
It's sort of a curse at times when you see mostly negative things do stand out.
And before the attack on the Twin Towers here in the United States, I was pacing the floor, you know, just walking back and forth because I knew something was going to happen, a major attack on the country.
I only told one of my friends that I knew I could trust with the information.
But it's horrible when you see these things.
And I know you're trying to keep it quiet about what's going on about the fires.
And for good reason, I know what's going on with these fires.
You could compare it to anthrax attacks.
And it's pretty weird why things are going on.
But we're getting a repeat.
If you actually look back in the 30s and the major crash in the Wall Street, it's happening again, the same cycle.
It appears that the people who were responsible for a major economic crunch in the 39 of the Wall Street, those people may have had some children.
Those children now may be operating the show and controlling the global economy to collapse again.
Well, my question is, I got a feeling that President Bush might be provoking a war or will provoke a war with Iran in order to keep himself in office as the 2008 elections go by by using his executive privileges.
I haven't put my mind to that, but I do know that there is an escalation of the war in the Middle East, and I do feel that we are going to have to tackle Iran.
The drought here in California, do you see any connection with weather manipulation causing the drought here or making us vulnerable to the California fires?
My second question, is there a link between these fires and the global warming laws that Congress has been working on for some time and perhaps being caused deliberately to pave the way for those global warming laws?
Well, the first part as far as the global, I mean, your second part, as far as global warming, that certainly is a contribution to what is happening as far as the drought.
The way I got it was it was unleashed on the populace as a test.
And it got out of hand.
It's going to take quite a while for, first of all, it to be figured out what it is, and then to have some kind of an antibiotic Or a defense against it.
Yeah, I noticed the media was being, and I think they should get credit for it too, at the beginning of the coverage of the fires, in the first several days, even though I think they knew damn well there was arson involved, they didn't really say it.
I think they were trying to be sensitive, not give anybody any ideas, not that.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, back with EVPs in a moment.
All right.
I'll be darned.
They did get my webcam up there.
And sure enough, there's our beautiful little Asia.
And this was taken, oh, gee, I don't know, four or five days ago.
Actually, it says October 21st, so I guess that's correct, 21st.
It would be about five days ago.
And there she is.
And she's doing incredibly well.
She is the happiest child the world has ever seen.
So if you look in the middle of the CoastCoastAM.com website up at the top, there is indeed a photograph of our beautiful Asia there.
She's really unbelievable.
I mean, just unbelievable.
I'll say this at my age.
I thought, boy, am I crazy or what to have a child, but not a chance.
I have been enjoying Asia more than I could ever possibly articulate on this program.
My God, it's been fun.
Anyway, what we're about to do is October-ish.
It's Halloween-ish.
It's something we do all year long, actually, and it's been way too long since I've had an opportunity to do it.
Let me just read the normal introduction.
Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth are both members of the Ghost Investigators Society, the GIS.
The Ghost Investigators Society, GIS, is a nonprofit organization.
Emphasize, nonprofit, dedicated to the investigation of ghosts.
Not only do they conduct investigations, but they also instruct, assist, and educate anyone who believes they may be experiencing ghostly phenomena or those who are just simply curious, all in an effort to educate the public about ghosts.
The GIS hopes the EVP's electronic voice phenomena presented will demonstrate that the consciousness, our consciousness, indeed survives after the body dies, and that these voices may help to give a different perspective about life, death, and ghosts.
Now, here's what I want to say, and it echoes what I've said in years past, and the reason I've had these folks on again and again is I think fairly, it will be self-evident as you hear what you're about to hear.
They originally, years ago, took audio tape, common audio tape, always brand new with the wrapper still on it, took the tape out, put it in a machine, went to various places like cemeteries and museums and, you know, places where one might expect to find a ghost.
And they would record hours and hours and hours of blank tape, always in the hope of recording the voice of a ghost, for lack of a better word.
And we've discussed what else it might be.
But over the years, several things have become clear to me.
This is not baloney.
This is not a hoax.
This is not a radio station somehow interfering with the tape.
They've gone digital recording in the last few years, and it seems to work as well or even better because the signal-to-noise ratio is much better.
A lot of times you're listening for a very small signal in a lot of noise.
And so obviously the digital recording methods are a lot better.
But I mean, these are folks who are not selling a book.
They're not peddling anything.
They're not making any money.
In fact, it costs them money to do it.
This is more of a hobby than it is any sort of money-making.
In fact, there's nothing.
So it gives them a great deal of credibility, in my mind.
And also that which they have recorded gives them a great deal of credibility.
A lot of times they cannot explain the meaning of what they have recorded, nor do they many times even make an attempt.
They might offer a possible explanation, but what you're going to hear is, for the most part, up to you to try and decipher.
So that said, I believe firmly that what you're going to hear tonight demonstrates that indeed consciousness does survive the death, the physical death of the human body.
So in a moment, the GIS.
Ah, yes.
By the way, everybody, one more time.
I'm going to do Halloween, ghost to ghost, we call it.
And we're going to do open line, ghost to ghost.
However, I would encourage you to sort of rehearse your story, the telling of it.
It helps a lot, really.
Or take a piece of paper and jot down the relevant bullet points for your story so that when you get on the air to tell it, you tell it well.
And then one more thing.
If you would like to send me an email, I will be reading various ghost stories during the evening sent in by all of you.
How do you do it?
Simply send it to artbell at mindspring.com.
That's A-R-T-B-E-D-L, all strung together at mindspring.com or artbell at aol.com.
So if you have a good ghost story, string it together, email it to me, and if it's a good one, I will read it on the air.
Otherwise, last year we did screened ghost stories.
This year, we'll just cut all the strings and do unscreened ghost stories.
So I would suggest you sort of prepare.
And while we're on the subject of ghosts, back to EVP, I would like to welcome my guests, Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth.
What we're going to hear tonight is going to be sort of, I guess, a compilation of a few new things and some of the best of the last, what, couple of years, several years?
unidentified
Yeah, this is.
I'm actually excited for these voices tonight.
You know, this goes back into our archives and some of the, I would say, even creepiest voices, even though I don't really get creeped out by them.
And in the process of getting your child baptized, you have to go, you know, it's a Catholic baptism, of course, and you have to go to a little sort of a seminar where they explain about baptism.
And one of the first things the priest said when we went to the seminars about a week ago was that it's widely thought, there is a myth, a key word, myth, that it's widely thought that if a child, an infant, is not baptized and it dies, it goes to hell.
And he said that is firmly, the Catholic priest said, that's firmly a myth.
It simply is not true.
So for whatever that's worth, I thought I'd throw it in because it's widely believed.
I was one of the ones who believed that that was the belief.
unidentified
Yeah.
And, you know, ironically enough, we're actually going through the exact same process, and we've heard the same thing.
We're about to jump into the world of EVP, but just for the audience that is fairly new to it, EVP electronic voice phenomena has been actually going on since about when?
unidentified
It's basically since you could actually record.
Ever since there was a recording medium, there has been reports of voices appearing on tape, vinyl, whatever it is they're recording on.
People throughout the years have studied this.
Even I believe I mentioned this before, the Catholic Church.
They kind of found it by accident.
A priest was actually recording Gregorian chants and started hearing voices.
And he actually brought it to the Pope at the time and said, I've recorded these voices, and one of them sounds like my father who's passed on.
And, you know, the Pope actually says that this is nothing you should be scared about.
If a Pope says something, that is basically a position, I guess.
Correct, correct.
All right.
Now, just so the audience knows, at the beginning of all this, you used tape recorders and always blank brand new tapes, correct?
Yeah, yes.
And several years ago, I had been suggesting it, and you finally made the move to digital recording, and now you do a little bit of both, is that correct?
So all right, so that's improved the quality of the EVPs substantially, right?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
And actually tonight you'll hear the difference in quality because we do have things from years back, so it is analog, and we have condenser mic stuff, which, I mean, the difference is just night and day.
All right, and for the doubters out there, I would like to say that over the years I have suggested to the audience, if you don't believe this, take a device, take a microphone, go to the cemetery or area of your choice, and spend a few hours doing it.
And inevitably, they have, and I always get these emails back, you two, saying, oh, my God, I tried it and I've got one, and they'll send it along to me.
So people who are doubters find out very quickly that this is real.
Now, other people will say, isn't it possible that it would be a radio station somehow getting picked up in the circuitry or whatever, and that that's what you're hearing?
And what traditionally has been your response to that?
unidentified
Originally, I was a skeptic.
I didn't believe this.
I thought there is just no way.
There's no way you're going to go to a cemetery at 1 o'clock in the morning, basically start talking to yourself, and expect to hear anything.
And until I got that first voice, I was like, you know, there's just no way.
But when I heard the first voice, I mean, it's almost life-changing because all of a sudden you're like, well, there is something.
There's, you know, whether it's a ghost or whatever, there's something there.
And, you know, then again, being very rational about it, I was trying to figure out, well, what could that be?
Could it be radio transmission?
Could it be, you know, we've heard baby monitors because we pick up kids' voices.
It could be a baby monitor.
The problem with that is when you start getting the contemporary information, you start getting voices that respond to you or what's going on at the time.
You know, the odds of that being a skip transmission or anything like that, it's just, I don't buy it.
My theory is that these are people that are either very sad or in some kind of emotional turmoil, that they have not resolved something in their life when they were alive, but still carrying on to their death after they've died.
I do not believe that many people realize they are dead when they die.
Just because of people that I have spoken to that have died, clinically been pronounced dead and have been revived back, they said that they did not realize they had died.
There had been, We had had reports, people emailing into us saying that they had stayed there and they had seen things.
And so obviously, you know, if we get enough reports about a certain location, we will call the place if they haven't contacted us saying, hey, we've had these reports.
Would you mind if we come out there and look at it?
So tonight we're going to go to a brewery lodge, then a mausoleum, a deer lodge, an exchange, whatever that is, a witch's house, and then, I guess, a mortician's.
So you can see the kind of places that these two pick.
I've asked this before, and there's no real reason to, for example, go to a cemetery, though one can readily expect that in a cemetery you would encounter those who have passed on.
Well, I mean, it did at the time, but I believe what was going on at the time was actually wiring in the house when we were going through the house more and realized that a lot of the spikes on the EMF were coming towards the walls and things like that.
So I really don't think the EMF going off like this was in relation to this EVP at all.
And there's others that are just so, I mean, they're almost buried in the static.
And that's something else we should have mentioned at the beginning is, you know, what we're playing tonight are, you know, what they call a Class A E V P. These are, you know, you can hear them.
Top of the line, it should be mentioned, you guys spend hours and hours and hours going over recordings to come up with these very short little things, right?
unidentified
Oh, yes, definitely.
And there's certainly things that we couldn't play, you know, because either somebody is talking during the time that the EVP comes in, so it's just too hard to decipher.
Now, how much value is there going to mausoleums, graveyards, areas where obviously bodies are buried and one might expect, you know, versus, I don't know, somebody's house or whatever?
unidentified
You know, it's hard to say.
I mean, I kind of think that, you know, maybe spirits tend to stay around their body for some time after they passed on.
I would hate to think that's the case, but it almost seems that's what's going on.
Again, folks, we're not, you know, that's why I want you to send me an email and tell me what you conclude from hearing these yourself.
Do you conclude that it's just the nature of the other side and children as adults go to the other side and there's a period of time when they just don't know what's going on, don't even know they're dead.
But it sounds like it's dark wherever this child is.
Yes, but you know, when we have recorded voices in that location, most of the time they have also always been echoey, like our voices when we're speaking inside there.
Well, we're leaving the mausoleum, and when we return, we're going to go to a deer lodge for a while.
Lots of very interesting voices.
These are voices, if you will, from the other side.
Life after death, you answer the question for us.
The Ghost Investigators Society are my guests.
They do recordings of voices from the other side.
And we're going to pick up the pace, and you're going to hear a lot more this hour and next.
So if you'll just stay right where you are, perhaps we'll prove something to you in a moment.
All right, it's on to a deer lodge now, and I suppose we have a lot ahead of us, so we better pick up the pace a little bit.
Make of these what you will, folks, but there's a lot of integrity that has gone into the work to get them, to process them, to present them to you as they are.
And you make of them what they will, and I'm very curious what you do make of them.
All right, you two, on to the Deer Lodge.
unidentified
All right.
This actually, this is Deer Lodge Prison in Montana.
It was built in the 1840s and housed some pretty nasty, nasty people.
But in this, and you'll kind of get the idea here, in this clip, you're going to hear GIS member Barry say, did the guards kill you or did you kill yourself?
He recorded this in a place called Siberia, which was the solitary confinement area of Deerlog.
And I believe they said they've had eight or nine deaths just in that area.
And then you're going to hear an old man say, I almost had the key.
So in other words, you never know if you're going to get a reaction to something you say or if the EVP is going to come prior to what you say, which is what happened in this case?
Yeah, but I'm trying to figure out, I mean, how do you go to some administrator somewhere and say, hi, we're from the Ghost Investigators Society, and we want to take these recorders into your prison?
unidentified
Well, in the case of Deer Lodge, they actually contacted us, so that wasn't a problem.
The guy actually said that he had reports and wanted to find somebody willing to spend a night there to check it out.
In the case of Rollins, we probably had almost 100 emails over the years from different people, and it was just enough that I contacted the director, and Barbara contacted the director with these emails and said, these are the reports we're getting.
Have you heard anything like this?
And if so, would you be willing to let us check it out?
The exchange building is an old building that they used to do stock exchange, you know, like cattle exchange and livestock type of a building.
That was what it originally was.
unidentified
It became the county's health and mental services building for, I believe, 25 years.
And for the last 20 years, it has been abandoned.
Nobody owned it.
Ran down, and then a lady bought it, started doing some renovations, and called us and asked if we'd come in because as they were doing these renovations, things started happening.
Let's say this particular instance, they think it's haunted.
They invite you.
You get these EVPs.
No doubt you go back as a courtesy and you play the EVPs for these people.
How do they react?
unidentified
Well, in this case, this was actually kind of a unique case because the EVP, the last EVP we're going to play from this building, was actually the first EVP that was recorded in this building.
And that was the first thing that we played for her.
And she was disturbed, really disturbed by it.
And she actually spent, as well as a lot of other people, the next year trying to disprove the EVP and figure out how it could have happened, you know, could have been faked, you know, everything.
The only thing I can conclude is I believe you stay the same.
So if you're nice, which most people are in life, once you pass on, you're the same way you are.
You're friendly, you say hi, you know, things like that.
But every once in a while, you know, and this goes back to like the prison voices, those voices seem to match the people that would have been in prison.
Yeah, I suppose, but again, how could you be sure, except for the length of time that you've been doing these recordings, that something like I'll kill you, bastards wouldn't manifest itself in one of you, I don't know, taking a bad fall?
No way to know.
All right, folks, EVP.
Barbara's here.
Brendan's here.
We've got lots more.
We'll be right back.
From the high desert and the great American Southwest.
Good morning, everybody.
I am Art Bell, filling in for George Norrie this Friday night, Saturday morning.
We're doing EVP.
That's electronic voice phenomenon.
Now, you tell me what you think it is.
And in addition to that, if you'd like to pass along a ghost story in email, I may well read it.
Come ghost to ghost this Halloween.
Simply put it down in a way that I can read on the air and send it to artbell at mindspring.com or artbell at aol.com.
Ghost to ghost this year.
Unscreened ghost stories.
We'll be right back.
I wonder if you two, during the collection of these EVPs, have ever felt, oh, for example, intense cold.
A lot of times when there's a spirit around, it seems like it's accompanied by the feeling of intense cold or maybe other things like sort of an electric feeling in the air with the hair standing up on the back of your neck, that kind of deal.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
We've experienced that.
Both.
You know, it's not even just cold.
There's been times that I guess you could describe it almost like a hot flash.
Really?
In fact, I believe it was my wife, Jenny, had recorded a voice where you hear her on the tape saying, you know, I just, I feel really, really hot.
And all of a sudden there's a voice that I believe says, hi.
Mike in Auburn, Washington has a question which I thought was good.
He says, hire, please ask your guests if they've ever recorded an EVP that has told them any important or useful information that was usable, for example, in solving a crime or any other mystery that was previously not solved or known about before.
unidentified
No, no.
And, you know, ultimately, I mean, that form of contemporary information is the ultimate.
I mean, if we could record something like that, it would be amazing.
We have had cases where we've recorded things we didn't know about.
But, I mean, it goes back to we didn't know that until we recorded the voice, but Barbara called the funeral director asking what plastic eyes would need.
All right, that's clear and not clear at the same time.
I'm not sure of the first part of it.
You're saying she's saying, I don't want to come, I don't want to come back.
Now, the first part of that is not quite as clear to me.
unidentified
Really?
See, I almost hear it.
It's almost like it's muffled at the beginning, but I still just hear, I don't want to come, I don't want to come back.
Now, I mean, what's interesting about that, I mean, aside from there's a voice there, obviously, that was recorded in the observation room of this building.
When it used to be a mental health facility, where this was recorded was the room that they would monitor patients for 48 hours.
Basically, I'm just resetting the time on the laptop that we're recording with.
And we always, when we reset time or change tapes, anything like that, we always start out by saying this is where we're at, you know, this is what we're doing, and then walk off and do whatever it is we're going to do on the investigation.
So on this clip, you're going to hear me say, okay, this is our second recording from the building, and we're now getting ready to leave.
And this one you hear, it's either a man or a woman.
What I hear, and you don't tell us what you hear in this one, you just say drowning voice.
What I hear is somebody saying, help me.
I hear help me, I think, a couple of times.
And then I have a suggestion for this one, Brendan.
There's a lot of low-end in this audio.
I'm not sure it comes through.
It may not even come through on AM radio or through the processing gear.
But if you were to eliminate the low-end rumble to that audio, you'd probably hear the voice and the because the voice is higher in pitch, as is the sounds of the water.
So you could actually take the bottom-end audio out of that and probably end up with quite a clear recording.
Well, I'm telling you again, especially using Adobe Audition, if you take a little end rumble out of that, you're going to end up with something quite clear, I think.
I have felt the presence of a spirit personally once, but I've never seen a ghost.
And what I've heard from you two is the closest I've ever come to hearing a ghost.
And I think that's what I'm hearing here.
I guess what we, for lack of a better term, we would call ghosts, right?
unidentified
Right, right.
And ultimately, we do this just, you know, to open people's minds to it.
We don't expect that we are going to prove it to them, but at least they realize there could be something out there and they might go try this for themselves and prove it to themselves.
People should understand, you don't just go out and in five minutes, unless you're incredibly lucky, get something on tape or on whatever you're recording on.
And when we come back, the balance of what they found or, no, what they heard after they left the witch's house and sat down and listened to the recording.
EVPs, I'm Art Bell.
The high desert, actually, adjacent to Area 51, kind of an eerie area all by itself.
And there was quite a reaction to that little water segment we did a moment ago.
We may have to return to it.
I've got a couple of comments that I'll pass on to you from listeners who heard it.
In a moment.
Once again, the GIS and you two, a couple of responses, many really.
But Steve R. from Wisconsin says, hey, Art, can you play the clip with the kid being drowned by his mother again?
I just want to make sure that I'll never be able to sleep again.
Or Josh in Salt Lake City up near y'all, Art in the last EVP from the exchange, is it possible that the voices we heard were that of a mother killing her child and the low male voice was that of a demon telling the mother to do it?
And the event was so horrible that all three voices were picked up.
Okay, you're going to hear Brendan ask, he was down in the basement of the witch's house, and she had received, one of the ladies had received very thin, deep scratches across the back of her neck and on her arms that drew blood.
And you're going to hear Brendan ask, did you scratch that lady?
Why would you do that?
And he recorded this voice, says, to cause her pain.
You know, if you're just catching sort of random bits of something that's coming through from somewhere, that's one thing.
If you're getting a direct response to something you say, and it seems undeniably so in this clip, that's, I mean, they can hear us and we can't hear them.
So in all the years that you've been doing this, how often have you encountered something that you regard as not a ghost, not a life that was, but rather something in the demon world?
unidentified
me, this is it.
This is, as far as I can recall, the only one that I would not consider a spirit that's somebody that's lived and died and came back for whatever reason.
You know, I mean, it's not always just the five of us, and sometimes all five of us can't go at the location.
But, you know, on serious investigations or places that don't want it publicized, you know, or they're afraid of people knowing about it, we're very discreet about that.
We'll keep it to just GIS members.
unidentified
Yeah, and we're more than happy to point people in directions of other groups, you know, ones that do allow members to come in.
It goes back to what we were saying.
We want people to do this if this is something that interests them.
We're simply here, you know, to show people this is what's there.
And what's so great about it is that he saw it visually.
unidentified
I can't think of another time that's happened where we visually see something or have some kind of experience like that and also record something at the same time.
Yeah, I just, first off, I wanted to say that I was driving home from work and I started listening to your program and hearing the tortured screams in the prison.
I have not had the heebie-jeebies like that in the last couple of years since I saw a definite figure at a place where I worked.
Yes, it would definitely do that in the middle of the night out there driving under nearly a full moon.
Anyway, any questions?
unidentified
Yes, I wanted to ask the GIS crew, have they ever been to a hotel in Monterey that's supposedly haunted?
Can't quite recall the name.
I could probably find it out a little bit later.
But I remember going on a tour there, and I remember feeling the same kind of sensation there that I had felt when I had my ghost phenomenon experience.
Okay, to Weatherford, Texas, and Devon, you're on with the GIS.
unidentified
Hi.
Well, I guess I'd like to start by saying I can sympathize with the other driver.
I drive all night long delivering newspapers, so I kind of know what he's feeling.
The recording with the woman with the broken neck, when I was listening to it, it sounded like she was asking who broke her neck, as opposed to accusing.
Like they're having conversations with each other, and then when you come in and ask a question, you interrupt them.
For instance, it seemed to me like when he had that creaky door, when he opened that door, and the guy asked him a question, and then he answered the question before he answered it.
I don't know if it's so much we interrupt them, but without a doubt, the majority certainly seem aware of us.
I was wondering, in your guys' research, if you had ever run across recordings where, you know, the spirits or entity you were talking to seemed like they were, you know, overtly talkative, like they really wanted to, you know, communicate a lot, you know, besides just kind of saying little bits and pieces here and there.
But we have been at locations along with getting EVP, there's been a lot of ghost activity that has been experienced, that we have experienced at the same time.
unidentified
I think, really, with EVP, it almost seems like it just really takes a lot for them even to muster, you know, a few words or a word.
And I don't know if they can go on on these long sentences.
And the exception to that, of course, is this drowning voice that we played because, you know, I mean, that's a minute long.
Well, a few weeks ago, my father died, and he was the first one to give me a book on Constantine Rodiva, one of the earlier EVP people.
And I thought, well, I'll get my tape recorder out and see if I can get him to say anything to me.
And also, at the same time, kind of invited anybody who wanted to possibly speak.
So I put their tape recorder on and kind of went about my business.
And the day before this happened, I had an avalanche of a bunch of junk that fell down in my living room, and it was this big crash.
And I came running and was upset.
Everything was all over the floor.
So what I heard, I forgot I was recording, but I heard this loud crash and then screamed because it was so loud, couldn't find anything in the house that had fallen or anything out of place.
And I have this teeny little clip.
I thought, you know, could I play it for you?
Sure.
You'll kind of hear me burp a little bit, and then you'll hear this crash and me scream and then say, now what the hell?
It is hissy, so because it's just, there's no external mic, but I hope you can hear it.
Yeah, that And a little ghost thing that I encountered when I was living in Butte, Montana, me and my cousin were walking down to my other cousin's house, and there's this little bridge over a street.
And as we were like 20, 25 feet, I saw something out of the top of my eye.
And I looked up and I saw a girl there with reddish hair that was kind of half naked on top, and she was looking at us.
And when I looked up and I saw what she was like that, I was kind of freaked out.
And I asked them, Mike, are you okay?
What happened?
Like that?
And she just looked at me and was like freaked out too.
Like she was surprised that I could see her when I was talking to her.