Evelyn Paglini warns of escalating evil—school shootings with explosives, arson fires, deadly heat waves, and a man-made virus—after visions since November, linking it to rising consciousness and external forces. Callers blame societal hypocrisy, media desensitization, and lost human connection, while Art Bell questions whether evil stems from internal decay or supernatural influence. A Washington caller ties violence to biblical "last days," but Bell insists on balancing free will with unseen factors. Paglini’s predictions and callers’ theories suggest a crisis of morality, accountability, and possibly even cosmic forces reshaping humanity. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, as the case may be around the planet, all these time zones, each and every one covered like a blanket by this program, Coast to Coast AMI Mark Bell, filling in for George Norrie, who's taking a very well-deserved day off.
You have no idea what it's like doing this program five or six nights a week.
It's incredible.
I know on the listener end of things, it sounds like, gee, I wish I had that job.
What a piece of cake.
Well, in a way, yes, because it's so much fun.
But in a way, there's a lot of work associated with it that doesn't show up in the air work that you're doing.
It's both before and after and in between.
So there's a lot that goes into a radio program, and getting a day off for those who do it on a regular basis is a big deal.
So enjoy your day off, George.
The webcam photograph tonight, and by the way, my webcam photograph is not in the usual place on a Friday night, Saturday morning when I fill in for George.
They put it in a special place, and I'd kind of like you to take a look at this night's webcam photograph.
In fact, I'll tell you about it.
It's right up in the middle of the center of the page, right up at the very top.
Click where it says here.
And what you're looking at is Asia Rain Bell.
That was done two days ago.
Now, of course, it's an ultrasound.
So what you're seeing is not a photograph, of course.
It's merely a reflection of sound waves.
And it's amazing.
There she is, folks.
There she is.
I picked just one picture to put on, but the company that did it, this was not a medical deal.
There was no medical reason to do this ultrasound.
This was a fun ultrasound.
They will do that for you now if you have a bundle of joy on the way.
There are now these places, like the one we found in Las Vegas, and I'm going to dig up the name and let you go to their website because I think they have additional photographs on their website.
So I'll get that to you in a bit.
I forgot to ask Aaron for it before I went on the air.
So Aaron, if you're listening, bring me in that little pamphlet and we'll go take a look on their website.
Gee, I should have done that before I went on the air.
Anyway, there's one photograph, one that I picked out, which I thought was just absolutely amazing.
She wouldn't cooperate.
Really, she wouldn't.
She held her little hands in front of her face.
She had her cord draped down in front of her face for a long period of time.
So we had to jostle her around, and we did get a few really good photographs, and they tell me that's good because sometimes the babies are turned around the other way.
So the face is toward the back of the pregnant woman, and that makes it really difficult.
But we did.
We got a few really good shots, and it's really fun to do right around the 31st to 33rd week somewhere in there, because she's obviously pretty well formed.
Isn't that amazing?
Absolutely amazing.
She will be delivered around noon or noon 30 by C section.
I will be there, high-definition camera in hand.
Hopefully I won't pass out.
I should get some good video of Asia Rain Bell entering the world.
We're, as you can imagine now, beginning to get very, very excited.
Now, there is some additional news.
Pizza Punch is being delivered to everybody.
In fact, the word I got just prior to airtime is all the orders are out.
Took a little extra time.
They got really swamped.
This is the Pizza Punch that Ramona and myself found in France a decade ago now.
My God, a decade.
And so we're starting to get some reviews on Pizza Punch.
Here's one from Ray in Henderson, Nevada.
I received my order of three bottles of Pizza Punch yesterday, so I decided to treat my crew to a pizza party to give it the ultimate test.
Pizza was dominoes.
The crew were very hungry, so it was difficult to get them to wait to devour the pizza until they added the punch to it.
After some hemming and hawing, they agreed and went to town on the pizza.
The opening of the bottle is perfect for the drip-by-drip delivery of the punch.
Not too much like a regular olive oil bottle would be.
Nice touch.
To get the best results on hot foods like pizza, make sure the food is hot because a flavor does not infuse when it's cold.
Buy more than one bottle at a time with a hungry bunch.
The first bottle was drained in no time.
Now for the results, not actual quotes, as they were muffled by pizza-filled mouths.
Everybody thought the punch was mild enough to please most, yet spicy enough to make a difference in the flavor of the pizza.
They all noticed it absorbed into the pizza if it was hot, and the flavor was better.
They commented on the garlic tone.
Some picked out a hint of black pepper or currants.
Some noticed a touch of rosemary.
Everybody liked it.
Some liked it enough to get the website info from me, so after years of waiting, the punch is a hit.
Pun intended.
Gary says, Art, I just got my first pizza punch.
Made a chicken sammy on toasted buns.
Oh yeah.
Now, get some good crusty bread, toast it nice and brown, shoot it with pizza punch, add some good salt.
Oh yeah.
I need more.
And it's good to give to a good cause too.
Thank you, Gary.
And Art couldn't wait for the pizza.
I put it on some French bread.
Very good.
The flavors are complex.
Ramona had to have had an incredible sense of taste to figure it out.
Yes, she did.
Glad I bought five bottles.
Thanks, Art.
Just so great this finally came to be for you and Ramona and your listeners too.
Best regards.
Nancy.
Okay, Art.
I didn't get a pizza for tonight, but I made spaghetti out of some canned sauce that had been in the past disappointing when left undoctored.
We're going to do open lines tonight, which means exactly that unscreened, open line, anything goes, talk radio.
I do have one suggestion born of the tragic events of this last week, non-stop coverage by all the news channels, of course.
Let's look at the news very briefly.
The family of Virginia Tech gunman Sung-wee Cho told the Associated Press on Friday that they feel, quote, hopeless, helpless, and lost, and never could have envisioned that he was capable of so much violence.
He's made the world weep.
We're living a nightmare, they said in a statement issued by Cho's sister on the family's behalf, I can well imagine.
And then today, a NASA contract worker took a handgun inside an office building Friday at the Johnson Space Center and fatally shot a hostage before killing himself, according to police.
A second hostage luckily escaped with only minor injuries.
The gunman was able to take a snub-nosed revolver past NASA security and barricade himself in the building, which houses communications and tracking systems for the space shuttle.
Now, a lot of obvious questions involved in how in God's name you could get a gun into a NASA control center.
I just, that just doesn't compute with me at all.
Desperate for support among fellow Republicans, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez faced grim prospects Friday after a bruising Senate hearing that produced one outright call for his resignation and a fistful of invitations and hints to quit.
Not good news.
A jihadist video is showing a boy beheading a man.
The boy with a knife looks only to be about 12 years old.
In a high-pitched voice, he denounces the bound, blindfolded man before him as an American spy.
Then he hacks off the captive's head.
You're not going to want to see that one while shouting, God is great.
All of this is going to go into a question for this night.
The Social Security members, numbers rather, of 63,000 people who received Agricultural Department grants have been posted on a government website since 1966, but they were taken down last week.
Free credit monitoring is being offered to those affected.
Can you imagine?
When astronauts return from space, what they talk about is not the brute force of the rocket launch or the exhilaration of zero gravity, it's the view.
And it's mankind's rarest view of all, Earth from afar.
Only two dozen men, only two dozen men on the entire planet.
Those who journeyed to the moon have seen the full Earth view.
Most space travelers in low orbit see only a piece of the planet, a lesser but very still impressive glimpse of it.
They've seen the curvature of the earth, its magnificent beauty, its fragility, and its lack of borders.
I guess everything else this week, all other news, paled compared to what happened at Virginia Tech.
The Chicago Tribune reports that Cho, the Virginia Tech shooter who killed 32 fellow students in a shooting rampage, was taking antidepressant drugs.
This is not the first time a school shooting rampage has been linked to antidepressants.
The infamous Columbine High shootings took place almost exactly eight years ago, and the shooters in that rampage were also, you guessed it, taking antidepressant drugs.
What is it about these drugs that provokes young men to pick up pistols, rifles, shotguns, and violently assault their classmates?
Well, inevitably, when something like this happens, this is one of the reports you get.
I tend to dismiss it because most of these people, as Cho was, are disturbed people in the first place.
Many of them, most of them, have been diagnosed with one form of psychiatric difficulty or another.
And so, of course, they're on these kinds of drugs.
I would ask the opposite question, not that I'm pro-drug companies at all, but I've seen these drugs help disturbed people.
And that a lot of people who are on these drugs end up committing suicide or end up committing some kind of tragic evil thing as was committed at Virginia Tech is not a surprise to me because these are the disturbed people.
They've already been diagnosed, many, if not most of them.
So I don't easily make that connection.
A lot of people say, yeah, it's the drugs.
It's the drugs.
Or if they don't go after that, they go after the guns.
It's The guns.
Well, I hate to make this because you probably heard it earlier in the week, but I'm pro-gun in the sense that if the guards at Virginia Tech, or even the students, had been able to carry guns, very, very few, if any, crimes are ever committed by anybody who's licensed to carry a gun.
Perhaps so many would not have died before somebody else took their gun and dispatched Cho before he could have done as much as he did.
So the inevitable anti-gun sentiment never does fly with me, doesn't fly this time either.
What does fly with me is unfortunately what you're about to hear.
Evelyn Paglini.
She's an amazing, amazing lady.
I'll tell you what.
We'll do more of this in a moment.
Well, all right.
You know, I have mixed feelings about this because what Dr. Paglini has done is kind of scary, really, in a lot of ways.
A year ago, she was on the program and predicted there would be a weather event so horrible, so bad, that it would cause tens of thousands of people to relocate, meaning leaving the city where they were.
Such an event has never happened in American history until, of course, Katrina.
She predicted Katrina how many tens of thousands, at least, if not hundreds of thousands, initially left New Orleans, and then some returned.
Dr. Evelyn Paglini, parapsychologist, is one of the leading authorities on the occult and the supernatural in the United States.
She was born into a centuries-old family of practitioners of the occult.
And at the tender age of four, her grandfather began teaching her natural magic.
She's a psychic, metaphysical teacher, lecturer, consultant, doctor of divinity, spiritual warrior, founded the International Psychic Center, a research investigation organization, has been called upon by many law enforcement agencies.
She has set precedence in the Texas court system on a child abuse case with ritual overtones, worked with law enforcement on missing persons and murder cases involving the occult and supernatural.
And by the way, it was not only here, there was a part that they missed earlier or later in the show, I can't recall, but listen to this next prediction.
Here we go.
When I interviewed Father Malachi Martin in a long series of interviews, Evelyn, he said that in his area of responsibility in the New York City area, in the New York area, evil, and this was years ago, was up 800% in the year previous.
I received the following from Dawn in Portland, Oregon.
Virginia College tragedy, whereby 32 people were killed.
Today, when the TV news was discussing the shooter's background, they said that he used to stalk women and set fires.
I almost jumped out of my chair.
Evelyn Paglini said on your show that there was someone very evil who was getting ready to do something terrible, so horrific that no one will believe it.
She said she saw people jumping out of windows, which they did, and thought it had to do with fires or arson.
Evelyn Paglini is the most accurate psychic on your show.
I'm truly amazed by her, and that's Dawn in Portland, Oregon.
So, Evelyn, I'm sure when the news began to break, you must, I can't even imagine what your reaction was.
Art, I started picking up this evil presence back in November.
I don't know what set this person off for me to be able to pick him up on my radar, but I remember distinctly the first scenes and images that I got was the second week of November.
I felt this presence of evil.
And when I started seeing these images, I saw like a boy, and that's what reminded me of Columbine.
Because I saw this boy with a gun.
And then next I started hearing like sounds, okay, like sounds of shots over and over and over again.
Anyway, buddy, listen, you're going to be on tomorrow night, right, prior to the program?
unidentified
Yeah, in fact, actually, I should say, give a shout-out to, we just got added by K-How in Denver, WPRO Providence, I believe it's WFHG in Johnson City, Tennessee, WMAL, Washington.
Wow.
We're growing, and Saturday night is successful, not just because we like to consider ourselves the lead-in for the great Art Bell, but also because we come up with some pretty cool topics.
And tomorrow night's just one we wanted to brag on a little bit, so thanks for giving us a minute.
It's Charles Lindbergh Jr.
This would be the man who's an adult now who some people believe was the baby that was killed, the child that was kidnapped from Charles Lindbergh.
But he has evidence.
He has testimony.
He has an answer for everything that he says proves that he is the Lindbergh baby.
And that begins tomorrow night at various time zones when.
unidentified
Right, 6 o'clock Western, you know, we go Pacific and then right to 8 o'clock in Midwest.
But I mean, I have a stack of legal affidavits in my lap from things that he has explored either on his own or with his attorney, evidence, DNA, and an ongoing legal attempt to make his case in court that Charles Lindbergh got rid of the baby because of imperfections in the child.
And Lindbergh didn't want it, and yet he was given to a family that raised him only to tell him as a teenager what his true origins were.
That's why I kept coming back to it when we did the show three weeks ago, because it was so intense and it was building on me.
And I said, I can't believe this.
This is so horrendous that I can't wrap my mind around it.
It's such senseless killing.
And Art, there's going to be a rash of other evil acts that are going to come, not just at schools, although there will be more at schools, but there will be other killings and even bigger than this.
And Art, I've only had this one time and I don't want to give it any energy, but I see something that's going to happen that not only includes guns, but includes explosives.
Yes, and there's fires going on now in Florida and in Georgia.
We've had some in California, and this is only going to increase as the year progresses and as we get into summer.
We're going to have massive fires, tens of thousands of acres.
Thousands of people are going to have to be evacuated.
Thousands of homes will be lost.
But more than that, Art, what I'm worried about is we have a killer heat wave coming in.
And it's going to come in more than once.
I don't know if it's back-to-back, but I have got a killer heat wave coming in that is really going to cost the lives of an awful lot of people besides power outages and blackouts.
And I also feel it's not just here in our nation, but it's also in Europe.
And I got the next 18 months because I had, like I said, a couple of groups that were doing planning.
So over and above what will naturally happen because of the drought and the dryness and the lack of rain, there will be a couple of groups of people who are intentionally going to be doing this.
There is a non-human evil influence and force at work here.
There has always been a fight against good and evil, but now it has escalated because our consciousness is being raised, and so they are losing ground, and so they are going to be able to try and manipulate any minds that they can in order for them to commit the kind of carnage that they're going to be committing in the coming years.
No, because their will has already been tampered with.
They don't have the mental capacity of a normal human being.
And as they sink into the depths of those depressions and isolations, that's when the energies of entities come around and start taking hold.
That's why I said, as this unfolds, you're going to find out that there were changes that started around the second week of November and moved forward.
This is when this boy did a complete change.
He became this dead soul that had this one thought, and that was to punish.
Certainly what we're seeing in the news really does add up to that.
Kind of a dead soul.
I mean, he began planning this step by step calmly.
You don't want to use the word rationally because it's not connected with what he did.
It does seem like an external sort of evil, Evelyn.
And I just call these head shakers because there's no way that any of us can understand or even begin to understand what's in somebody's mind that would do something.
It slowly takes him over and he no longer is the same person.
While you're talking to other people who were around him, their premonitions, their instinct, their intuition was telling them something was wrong.
They were feeling it.
They just didn't know how to put it into words or what to do about it.
But they felt the darkness.
Why do you think 70 students didn't want to come to the class?
They felt that kind of darkness and that energy.
And the more this unfolds, you're going to find more and more people talking about evil, the presence of evil, the feeling of this energy, this darkness that was around us, boy.
Is there any way, you know, everybody wants to talk about prevention.
Is there any way we can get to the point, Evelyn, where we can predict, I mean, you predicted this, but where we can actually predict and prevent something like this?
I think that the system is going to be shaken to its foundation and they're going to initiate new kind of scrutinies and laws that will at least put these young children on the right track to get some intervention, to get some help.
Yeah, it's going to cost some money, but look at the lives that it will save.
And so I can't imagine anybody comparing the Almighty Buck to the life of a child.
Nor can I. So that's the only good I feel that can come out of it because they better do it, Art.
What I can't grasp, Evelyn, you know, I'm not a deeply religious person.
I do believe there is God.
I do believe there is a God, and therefore I guess I believe there's an equal evil force, perhaps not equal in strength, but there, and apparently growing.
So I guess I feel that everybody must, at least in the corner of their mind, have this idea that there is a maker, that there is something after death.
And for somebody to completely ignore that possibility to the degree that they'll take a gun or guns and begin killing as many people as they can kill before taking their own life, it's unthinkable to me.
It's so completely unthinkable that I just, it's you shouldn't have to do that.
And that's the only way they can have power and control.
They have never had power and control.
And this is their way of having it, as well as living forever.
The one thing that bothered me about the video that he sent is that he really subliminally put out a call to others like himself, telling them that they have no other option than to commit this kind of horrendous crime.
I'm worried about India having some massive flooding.
And one more thing, Art, there's going to be a virus that is going to be unleashed that is going to have very much like flu-like symptoms, only it is very deadly.
It will not have a quick cure.
It's going to take some time for us to find some kind of something that can at least attack or defend it.
When you say a virus unleashed, Evelyn, wait, wait, when you say a virus unleashed, do you mean by the hand of man or do you mean something from nature?
Have you ever actually felt an external evil begin to take over your thinking or your mind?
And then, of course, that begs a question about free will, doesn't it?
All right, listen, anyway, open lines are exactly that.
Anything, if you want to answer that question, fine.
If not, we're here to do your bidding.
Now, a couple of things.
One, please, if you're going to call in to a national show, make sure you've got something interesting to say.
That's one.
Number two, when I answer, please, oh, please, try and remember to immediately turn your radio off.
Not down, but off.
Otherwise, there'll be a big delay and it'll confuse you.
You're going to hear your own voice 10 or 12 or 30 seconds or whatever it is after whatever it is you've said, and that's going to confuse you horribly and make you sound confused on the air.
And I know you don't want that.
So when you hear a sound and I say you're on the air, that has meaning.
You're on the air.
Immediately reach over and turn your radio off.
That said, open lines, anywhere you want to go, let's rock.
I'm serious about the question, by the way, of what's happened to us.
It's passed from, I used to call them head shakers when something like this would happen, but it's passed from that point now to, I don't know, I feel a kind of a sadness about what's changed in our country.
And again, you know, I certainly don't want to turn this program into some sort of religious forum because that's not what it is, nor not what I want it to be.
However, that said, there is something that's different.
Something very basic, something very profound has changed in our country, maybe in the world.
Although I must say, I don't think I'm seeing the degree of change.
I've done a very great deal of travel in my life, and I'm not seeing the degree of change elsewhere that I've seen in this country.
And I've had, as you know, some absences from this country.
And that gives one a little bit of perspective.
And I've got to tell you, we are changing at a very, very rapid clip.
West of the Rockies, you would have been on the air.
Let's go east of the Rockies and say you are on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
On your LED flashlight, I have a tiny single-cell one that I buy all single-cells to reuse my batteries at night.
I don't need a very bright light.
And I can use the batteries out of my headset radio, and they're just perfect in that LED flashlight at night when I don't want something that bright.
And with the nickel-CAD, it runs them down far enough that you can charge them for many years simply because it's essential to do that to nickel-CAD batteries.
In fact, you're about to see a product pretty soon that is going to replace conventional light bulbs and run at just a teeny, weeny fraction.
It's going to be as bright as a regular light bulb, and it's going to run at a teeny, weeny fraction of the power that a regular light bulb runs on.
Now, I know we've got some stuff now, but what you're about to see, and I can't talk more about it right now, is just going to knock that right in the butt.
unidentified
Okay, now being a radio person, a ham, I would appreciate if you would review some of these that are really ingenious, where they have an electronic circuit that keeps the current down when the battery's new and then cuts it in when the battery gets old.
Well, I, for example, when they sold them at half price in the drugstore, I got a lantern that has 10 such lights.
But if I get that close to my radio at night, it does affect the radio.
And what I'd like you to do is help we people, even though it's all DC, there's no AC, you know, it's not plugged into the wall, and there's a knob on the side of it that you can turn the light volume up and down, just like an electric blanket.
And my electric blanket does the same thing.
It goes tick, tick, tick on my radio.
If you'd like to be a real service to we ordinary people in the boondocks, allow somebody to put the noise suppression circuits in these things.
I could do it, but I can't do it from the boondocks.
And what he's talking about is a unique circuit that LEDs are really interesting.
And of course, one thing you want to do is limit the current when the LED is new.
And that's exactly what these circuits do.
They limit the current when there's plenty of current, and then they allow the battery significantly longer life.
It's really quite amazing what they're doing.
And again, I can't talk about some of the products that I know that are coming very shortly.
You'll be hearing about them.
But they're amazing.
And they just take a tiny, tiny fraction of the current that, say, a normal light bulb would take.
And they produce every bit as much light as a 60 or a 100-watt light bulb.
These things are coming, and they're coming very soon.
And I can't talk a whole lot more about it.
But they do have some innovative current control circuits that end up doubling or tripling the life of a battery for any given LED light.
It's quite amazing what they're doing.
On the international line, you are on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Great.
Good to talk to you, Art.
First, to answer your question, I don't think that our society has changed all that much.
My question was to you, actually two questions, a darker one, a light-hearted one, is do you think that this week in particular has a cosmic curse on it?
I think it's Parker Brothers, isn't it, that makes a Ouija board?
I think there's not anything at all inherently evil about a Ouija board.
What is dangerous about a Ouija board is the intent applied to it by the user or users.
That's what opens doors.
It's not a silly little cardboard board.
You don't really believe that, do you?
It's not that.
I think most of us know that.
It's the intent of the user.
It could be anything at all.
If you decide that something is going to open doors or you want, let's say you actually project the intent for a spirit to come into the room.
It doesn't matter what the focus of that is.
In fact, it could be nothing at all.
You could sit around in a circle on a rug and you could project the intent for something to enter.
And believe me, you have opened a door.
Now, it's not every time that something will walk through, but on occasion, something does.
And so you've got to be very, very careful.
And I once had a Ouija board.
It's a story I won't tell because something did manifest, and it just scared me beyond all reason.
And so I don't talk about it.
I wouldn't use, if I were you, a Ouija board, nor would I gather in a circle with no board at all and invite something into your life because it might just come.
Well, I validate Emily for putting her finger on it.
This whole change in society definitely, I feel, is an evilness.
And I'm a Dianetic practitioner.
If anybody's read Dianetics, Modern Science and Mental Health, they will understand the reactive mind is the source of psychosis, psychotic, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I think a big thing that's influenced this is since psychiatry really grabbed its roots on children going back from the 60s on, you see a trend in the mental health field taking over.
And if the solution to this is we've got to increase our mental health, then you're looking at further continued drugging of people who are trying to deal with a reactive, aberrated mind.
But they've got to get people through the door before they can minister to anything.
unidentified
No, well, that's true.
Well, that means they have to stop referring their parishioners to psychiatrists, because I've worked in that field, too.
So if we're going to dumb down a society and end up with robots that come back, get released, and then have access to guns, and actually I'm wondering if this young man coming from the Oriental background, if he was exposed to brainwashing of any type.
I do know that when you're under hold in a psychiatric unit for evaluation, you definitely are drugged up or further.
Well, yes, I'm sure that he was given some sort of psychiatric drug treatment.
Probably no question about that.
We know he was.
I think it was Paxel, wasn't it?
But again, I tend not to connect the use of these drugs and people going wild and killing a whole bunch of people.
I just, I don't really make that connection.
I understand that we have a lot of troubled people, but it would make absolute sense that the people who end up going off the deep end and doing these things were diagnosed at some previous time as being troubled and probably on some sort of drug.
Now, ask yourself, how many people would be going berserk if there was no treatment at all?
I think that there is, look, I think there's a more profound change that's taken place in our nation and perhaps in the world.
I think that horny as it may sound, Father Malachi Martin was right.
Evil is on the increase.
Answering my own question, I think there is an external influence at play here.
I think it's not just the mind of man.
I think it's not just free will gone berserk in individual men.
I think that there really is some sort of external influence.
I know it sounds corny, the devil, Lucifer, whatever you want to call him, but if you have a belief in God, then you probably also have a belief in some sort of opposite power.
I know I do, and I think it's at work.
Beyond that, I certainly don't have any answers.
In fact, that's sort of a guess.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Hey, how's it going?
How are you doing today?
Appreciate you taking my call.
Hey, I wanted to ask you a couple questions, Mr. Bell.
I wanted to get your personal opinion if you think the U.S. government is possibly covering up information about aliens and UFOs.
I think it's certainly possible that they know, but I don't know that for sure.
So I wouldn't make any absolute statements.
unidentified
Well, I wanted to make a statement that you had said last month that you didn't think 9-11 could be an inside job because you thought it would take too many people to keep a secret.
Now, I mean, to keep an alien secret would take just as many people.
So can you possibly explain this contradiction in your philosophy?
I don't make an absolute statement about anything that I can't know for sure.
What I gave with respect to 9-11 was my opinion.
I said that if it was an inside job, if the U.S. government, if we did this to ourselves, then I'm living in a country I don't want to live in anymore.
That's what I said.
unidentified
Well, it's not actually that we did it to ourselves.
It's just a rogue faction of government.
I mean, you have to take in account building number seven and a NORAD stand down.
I'm sure you saw the whole scripted BBC piece on Building 7 where they called that it fell 20 minutes before it actually did.
I mean, Larry Silverstein saying pull it, the free fall speed, and dozens of things.
I don't know that you have witnesses to bombs going off, as you put it.
I'm not aware of those.
I am aware of the statement by Silverstein when he said pull it and the controversy surrounding that.
But no, I'm certainly not aware of any absolute facts with regard to 9-11 or with regard to aliens.
So there's no gap, no hypocrisy in what I feel about all of this.
The only thing I will tell you for sure is that which I've actually experienced.
For example, I've told the story many times of the two sightings that I've had.
Personal, eyewitness, eyesaw it kind of testimony.
That doesn't mean it was an alien craft, and I've always maintained that.
I don't know that for sure.
This program covers many things.
That doesn't mean that, for example, when I have a guest on that I endorse or agree with what is said.
A lot of people make that mistake, and they make the assumption that because I cover something or I allow a guest to express an opinion that I've signed on to that.
Don't make that assumption.
Because it's simply not true.
Only that which I've seen myself, which I can put my hands on, will I call a fact.
The way people treat each other face to face and in the disconnected society we have now, very different.
We'll be right back.
Well, all right, I think this caller is on to something.
We'll get back to her after the break, but I want you to consider something.
We are in this new, wonderful technological age, right?
Where, well, we never really have to see anybody.
We don't come face to face with anybody anymore.
We don't have to.
We can stay at home and we can write emails.
We can send fast blasts.
We can go to a newsgroup somewhere and ravage somebody and not even have to sign our own name to it.
Now, I'm not saying that this is the center of all that is evil.
I'm just saying that, I don't know, when times were older, when people had to meet each other face to face, there was a certain politeness that's not there anymore.
And if you doubt it, some of the most innocuous newsgroups, I mean, talking about things that you would think would never a cause of fight, end up inevitably, every time, turning into this people ripping each other from limb to limb with words, and then at the bottom, a signature that isn't their real name or whatever.
In other words, we live in this age where we don't have to be face to face anymore.
We don't meet Sunday in church, and church is not the only example, but anywhere else.
We live in this wonderful question-marked new age where we don't have to meet people anymore.
We can say all these nasty things about them and not put our name to it.
And what does that lead to?
Anyway, back to our caller in a moment.
Well, all right, East of the Rockies, guess what?
You're back on the air again.
I think you're on to something.
Hi.
unidentified
Hello.
Well, right when you were on the break and you said that about, I don't know if you were talking about streaming video and people and blogs and that sort of thing.
Have you ever noticed, though, a blog will start off with something totally innocent.
And if you let it go for a week or two, pretty soon people are picking on each other and you've got these raging fights going on.
Have you ever noticed?
unidentified
Or just like when you go through a drive-through or when you're talking to a customer service representative on the phone.
Yeah, I really hadn't even thought of that.
I did want to say also that a couple times religion was mentioned and the gentleman mentioned morals.
And I kind of get a little, not necessarily defensive, but when I hear someone speak about morals as our problem, we definitely have a problem in values.
But I don't know if we're sinning too much.
I just think that maybe we value the wrong things as well.
Like, you know, the guy in the, Mr. Cho in his manifesto was talking about hedonists and how everyone had valued, you know, all these material things.
And it really, you get the impression that this guy had lived on this campus for eight months and just absolutely in a complete value.
Like no one really even communicated with him very closely.
And all these people were interested in material things and all that.
I believe I have the bottom line as far as what's happening.
And I'll say this as a warning.
We're living in an age of God's grace, according to the Word of God.
And this age is coming to a close.
And as the birth of a new age draws near, it says a woman who is about to give birth.
The closer to the time of the birth, the more frequent will be the contractions and more intense the pain until the birth of this new age.
Losses shall increase and earthquakes are going to be in many places.
The Virginia Tech massacre will pale in comparison to the time which after the Holy Spirit is removed at the end of this age and the Antichrist is revealed at the beginning of the new.
There's only one hope for your listeners for all of us.
And that is to confess Jesus Christ as Lord, believing in your heart that God raised him from the dead.
And it's not that I'm in disagreement with this man.
I just don't want this to turn into a pulpit.
It is not that.
However, honestly, folks, I do believe that the move away from religion, organized religion, and it's been a mass move away from organized religion, is part of it.
Somebody said earlier that these are the values that our parents instilled in us, and where did those come from?
Well, it did come from a belief like that man was just talking about, didn't it?
It did come from that.
Whether or not our parents exposed us to some sort of organized religion, they did expose us to their values, and that's where those values came from.
And so there's that, and then there's this wonderful question-marked technological society that we have right now that allows us to become loners, allows us to live inside of ourselves, say anything we want without consequence.
There was a day when you had to look into somebody's eye and tell them what you thought.
And if it resulted in a fight, then it did.
But more than likely, you weren't going to say it face to face.
Or even picking up a telephone and having a conversation with them on the phone, you probably would not say what you'd be willing to write, let's say in a newsgroup or an email, particularly one in which you didn't have to sign your own name.
Or a fax, or perhaps a text, or some other technological wonder that allows you to be nameless and say whatever you want to say at any given moment.
This is the first time I ever called, my first time caller.
My name is Kenyon.
I'm from Troy, Michigan, and I was calling in about the whole Virginia Tech suicide thing and why society might be, you know, slightly responsible for all this.
And I was wondering if possibly it's the amount of contradictions that younger generation is seeing within the adult population.
You've got a president running around doing one thing and breaking the law, but talking about virtue and honesty.
And the kids see this.
And then they see it within their parents.
It don't lie, but they cheat on their taxes.
You can add a whole bunch of stuff to it.
And I think, I mean, personally, for me, this is kind of where I come from with society.
I look around going, you say one thing, and then you do another.
Have you ever, can you remember a moment in your life when you have ever felt something that you would almost describe as an external force pushing you in some sort of evil direction?
unidentified
I can't say that I have.
I have felt the opposite of that.
I have felt an external force, you know, kind of pushing me the right way more often than not.
You know, if I had a decision to make, I felt the force pushing me to do the thing that was best for me to do.
I think you're right in that there are more, there's more good than there is evil in the world, but boy, you can sure feel one catching up on the other.
unidentified
What if we did an experiment?
What if you asked the coast listeners, maybe, you know, once every two months, just mention it.
Set our intent.
I was thinking when you were talking to Dr. Brenda, and you said that, you know, the individual people would always do everything they could about global warming, but you weren't sure that the governments would.
And the idea occurred to me at that time to suggest what if we focus our intent on trying to change the energy of the government, trying to change their intent so that whoever are in the places of power will do the right thing.
But listening to Dr. Paglini tonight, and she made the comment, we don't want to give it energy, these things that she's seeing.
I'm not sure whether it always works the way you want it to work.
In other words, you're suggesting that we try and affect government.
That means try and affect the thinking of people, which is a very sophisticated use of this kind of experiment and one that scares the hell out of me.
In other words, we're trying to force other people to have different thoughts in their mind.
That's a very serious problem.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
Let's not do it that way.
Let's focus on changing the world back into the place we would like it to be.
The other thing I wanted to mention to you, this goes back to last week at all, also, a caller called in and asked you how on earth you could dare to bring a child into this world with the world doing what it was.
And your response was something along the lines of that you had faith in life and in love and in human goodness and in all that.
And I wanted to tell you that you're absolutely right to have that faith.
And that little girl is going to have a wonderful quality life.
And I know that because I can just feel it in my bones.
I'm going to do everything humanly in my power to ensure that is the case.
And yes, that's exactly right.
How can I bring a youngster into the world now, a new life into the world now, with all that is around us, with all that seems to be going so wrong in the world right now, our environment, our social behavior, everything that we spend so much time on coast to coast talking about.
How can I possibly bring a young life into the world knowing all of this.
And the answer is, I guess, faith.
I have to believe in the basic goodness of man.
I certainly believe in love as the most important force in the world.
And those are the things that allow me to do it.
Otherwise, what is there?
I might as well just give up, and I'm not prepared to do that.
Are you?
I hope not.
So belief in all that is good is what keeps me going.
And I do believe in love as the most powerful force in the world.
Now, as far as an intent experiment is concerned, I'll consider it, but that's a rough one.
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I'm Art Bell.
You know, the gun lobby always says guns don't kill people.
People kill people.
And they're absolutely right.
But the big question should be, why are people so willing to kill people?
Why has life lost so much value in the eyes of so many?
We'll be right back.
All right, back to unscreened open lines.
Anything you want to talk about is fair game.
Now, we've been sort of focusing, I guess, on the state of society, you know, with this Virginia Tech thing and now the NASA thing yesterday.
And it seems like an awful lot all at once, doesn't it?
And he said there was one light-hearted moment in all this where he, and he did mention cell phones, et cetera, et cetera, and all the things that you have been going over and all the suppositions.
And at the end, he said that maybe this is Mother Nature's way of saying, can you hear me now?
And regarding evil, my late mother went round and round and round.
We would have wonderful debates, and sometimes she thought, yes, evil was an absolute force which would then, you know, color people's lives in not a good way, et cetera, et cetera.
My own feeling is, whether it matters, there may be other listeners like me.
My take on evil is very much summed up in Stephen King's The Stand, The Walk and Dude.
I wanted to talk to you about the evil coming into the world.
One of the things I see, I am a practicing druid, that you have all of these metaphysics shops, which some of them do some wonderful work, but you're running into children opening portal, playing games with magic, both high and low magic, that you shouldn't touch without at least 20 years' experience.
But it again begs the question, is this something that they're cooking up in their own minds, or is it truly an external influence that they're allowing or even promoting to enter their minds?
unidentified
I think a lot of it is when you start opening portals, you're inviting demonic forces in.
And these are teenagers.
They're getting a hold of books like the Necronomicon, several others.
As a high priestess, I would not let any child touch.
More or less anybody that hasn't studied and is properly shielded, guarded, and know what they're doing.
And you think a lot more children are now, as you put it, playing with it.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, they're playing with Ouija boards.
Back to your comment earlier this evening.
You know, it's the intent you put into it.
Sure.
But when you have got a child who is depressed, they're going through the hormonal chains of adolescence, all of these things combined, you're opening up.
And then you don't know, you get something through and you don't know how to shut it down.
Okay, well, here's a question that I'd like to, perhaps I'll just pose it to everybody.
I can understand depression.
I've been through severe depression when Ramona died.
I went through, I can't even describe to you how deep and horrible it was.
And I can understand, for example, contemplating taking your own life for whatever reason.
I can understand it.
Most people probably at one time or another have contemplated it for whatever reason.
What I cannot understand is the indiscriminate desire to take as many others with you as you can, which is what happened with Virginia Tech and so many other incidents that seem to have been on the increase lately.
What's with that?
I can only imagine that people somehow, well, see, that's a problem.
I can't imagine.
I can't imagine what thought process brings somebody to think there is nothing after life.
Nothing at all.
To imagine there would be no retribution for whatever evil deeds they might commit on this side.
I just can't wrap my mind around that.
And I guess a lot of us are having that difficulty.
They talk about the last several decades with respect to what, With respect to the additional, I think she said 50% that she attributes to man's hand beyond normal cyclical change.
unidentified
Yeah, okay, but the planet has been warming since the last ice age on a consistent basis.
And my point is, how do we know we haven't reached the tipping point because of the constant warming since the last ice age?
We probably are more equipped to move large numbers of people quickly if we have to.
unidentified
But my point is, if we've already reached the tipping point because of the fact that the planet's been warming since the last ice age, why should we hobble our technological innovation by hurting our economy?
I'm not saying that, and nor do I believe that we're going to begin going backwards.
We're not.
We're going to keep marching forward, whether it's the emissions into the air.
I don't for one second think that we're going to suddenly change our ways.
I don't.
I don't believe it.
I think that our economy is dependent upon what we're doing right now, and we're going to keep doing it until there is some crisis so severe that everybody almost in one voice says we have got to stop now.
And by then, of course, as he points out, it may already be too late.
The reason I'm calling is I'm very concerned about what I'm seeing.
Everybody needs to respond by April 30th this month on the Vice President Bush and Congressman Murphy on this docket number 2006D is in Delta-0480, draft guidance for industry on complementary and alternative medicine products and the regulation by the Food and Drug Administration.
They just keep coming back again and again and again on this subject, don't they?
unidentified
Yes, it says real quick here, the move by the FDA is designed to once and for all destroy the 1994 DSHEA law that has made supplements legal while eliminating nutritional supplements and natural medicines from the United States, ensuring monopoly profits and control by big drug companies and the FDA.
FDA experts will decide what's a drug or medical device under these proposed guidelines.
They're saying that they will decide whether herb supplements, vitamins, or simple devices like massage stones are to be regulated as drugs and medical devices.
So if people do not want to see this happen, and essentially they will be outlawed, stripped from the shelves, and regulated out of existence.
And anyone who dares to manufacture, promote, or sell such products may be branded as a criminal rounded up by armed FDA agents.
You can write the president.
You can write your congressman.
I don't know if complaining to the FDA is going to follow, but I wanted to bring this up.
I'm not sure when the erosion began, but the answer is finally for more people than not, probably turn now to no.
unidentified
This is what I have to come up with.
What does this signify?
And what I believe it signifies is when the young people of any civilization reject the four pillars of every civilization, leadership, spirituality, education, and a way of the society sustaining itself, an economy, whether it's hunting gathering or high-tech, whatever.
Those are the four components of every civilization.
When young people reject those and no longer trust them, then you're lost.
That means that what's been handed down is rejected.
When you give all four of those a big no, you're in trouble.
We'll be right back.
You know, with respect to that caller, I think those four questions, you've got to equip Kate a little bit.
What were those four questions?
Do you trust your government?
Well, no, would be my answer, but we still have the best form of government on the face of the earth.
Now, our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, there's nothing like it.
You know, it's simply the best.
Is it being adhered to?
Are we following it as we should?
No.
We're being pushed in a million different directions.
Terrorism and the war on terror hasn't helped, has it?
The second one, do you trust your religion or your spiritual path?
My answer would be yes.
That's individual.
Economics.
Do I trust all large corporations?
No.
But our system of economics is the very best.
There's no question about it.
That's a big yes.
I think that we've shown the world, and the world is pretty much following along.
Education, I had to put a question mark by that one.
So I can't answer those four questions without some equivocation.
I wonder if you can.
We'll be right back.
All right, unscreened open lines.
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Not down, but all the way off, or it'll be confusing.
East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
This is Seth from Puri, Illinois.
Yes.
I would like to talk about that Virginia tech.
I think we are all to blame for it.
Because of the simple fact, we go out and we buy video games that introduces violence, and we're telling the companies that, yes, we do want these kind of games sold.
And certainly you're on to a completely different subject.
You know, we've run over this one for a long time.
Television.
Television seems to glorify violence a lot of times, doesn't it?
Video games, I suppose, yes, there's a lot of violent video games out there, but I still don't believe that they're what's contributing to what's happening right now.
I don't think that Virginia Tech happened because of video games.
I don't think it happened because of television.
But I do think it happened because of a larger societal change.
Things that are happening in our society are the way of the world.
You know, I live in, you know, I've lived in Tennessee all my life.
And people used to, you know, wave their finger when they're driving by, you know, and slowly it's going away.
I think the reason is greed.
You know, money is the root of all evil.
I don't want to say that, you know, as all of the 100% cause of it.
But people have just lost their sense of, like you said earlier, you know, talking to people, looking people in the eye.
I mean, when you go into the, you know, convenience store, you look at your money, you give the money to the person, you don't look them in the eye anymore.
The reason I called is because they keep coming back to make supplements illegal so that they'll have a brand new market to sell to the American people in the black market and get good prices for it.
And don't you think we have enough people in prison?
They should go after real criminals, not people selling vitamin C and vitamin E. But in fact, people will still want to buy vitamin E and vitamin C, and they will have to buy it through the black market.
So now we have a new set of bureaucracy and a new set of criminals.
And not to quote the Bible, but it does say in the last days they will tell You, what to eat, and that's just the shadow of the things to come.
So, and if I could say one more thing about the drug dealer that was shot by the border guards.
Yes.
Don't you think it's strange that he got away wounded and that he had the nerve to call homeland security?
Why would he call homeland security if he escaped?
Don't you think he'd be afraid that he'd get caught for those drugs that he was bringing into our country?
And as far as the supplements are concerned, yeah, I have no idea.
I have no idea why the FDA keeps coming back to it.
They really do want control of that market.
Now, maybe it has something to do with the fact that, you know, to go to a doctor these days and to get, let's say you've got the flu and you're afraid that your flu is turning into some sort of walking pneumonia or something like that.
Well, right now you've got to go to the doctor.
That's going to be anywhere between $50 and $150 for an office visit to get prescribed some sort of antibiotic to get rid of the infection you've got.
Imagine if to get a supplement like, I don't know, vitamin C, vitamin whatever, or some other supplement, you've got to go to a doctor for all of that.
Well, maybe money is the root of this evil.
Something to think about anyway.
International line, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi, Bobby.
The fake mainstream media is the reason that the world is going bad.
They sell fear.
They try to divide people and keep them down.
Ever since they introduced the term political correctness, they've been at war on the regular American people.
And the glance announced is that they're trying to cover up the 9-11 inside job.
And 9-11 truth movement is going to bring them down.
I guess that's what I was saying when I was saying we live in a day and age where you can write anything you want about anybody, not sign your name to it, and as you point out, not take responsibility for it.
unidentified
Right.
I mean, for example, in the late 80s and early 90s, what happened?
It wasn't your fault or it wasn't somebody's fault that they were smoking and they died or they got cancer.
It was the tobacco industry's fault.
It wasn't the drunk driver that ran over the teenager in the street.
It was the beer manufacturer.
It couldn't possibly be these criminals that are committing these crimes.
Yeah, and I think we've begun to make bartenders responsible.
If somebody gets drunk and goes out and gets in a car and kills somebody, we'd take it all the way back to the bartender that served the booze.
unidentified
Right, exactly.
And whether it had anything to do with religion or morals and values, I don't know.
But you look at some other classic examples.
In the mid-90s, we had a president of the United States who was engaged in some things that weren't exactly right.
And, you know, he wasn't held accountable.
I don't believe he was held accountable for it.
And most recently, I think it was last year, I don't remember the state, but the woman who put her baby and microwaved it to death, and it wasn't her fault.
No, it couldn't be her fault because she had postpartum depression.
And all I know is women have been giving birth for thousands of years.
And what, in the last 20 years, this thing has come up and now it's just okay for women to do that?
Well, now there's an excuse for everything, isn't there?
unidentified
Exactly.
And in the last 20 to 30 years, I think one of the big three reasons for our downfall in society is the fact that nobody can be held accountable for what they do anymore.
The blame always has to be put somewhere else because that's what we want to see.
Do you think that's a natural outgrowth of, in quotes, our system, our legal system, for example, that allows all of this or what?
unidentified
I think it is because, you know, and again, it might revolve around money because, you know, these lawyers need a job, and we can't blame people for their actions anymore because that would be politically incorrect, like one of your last callers just said.
Been listening for a couple weeks now, every night.
And what I think root of all this comes down to basically the mass media.
They're out to make a buck.
They want sensationalism.
And no matter what network you're on, no matter what internet website you're on, there is some mass media constantly flashing the most sensationalized news or what have you constantly.
And I'd like to consider myself a good man, and you probably have five to ten million others who consider themselves to be good men and women.
And perhaps instead of turning it into one of art's consciousness experiments, perhaps we as individuals could go out and do a little good on our own instead of, for instance, as the caller the previous hour wanted to perhaps influence the government to take certain action.
I'm not sure that we need them.
I would not, I can't remember the last time I bought an incandescent light bulb.
And there are other things that, you know, simple and complex, that we can do and we can, let's say, you know, 10 million people times 10 people we can get our hands on.
Changing light bulbs, putting the right amount of air on our tires, making, you know, trying to make our voices known that we'd like to be able to buy vitamin C without having to sneak around.
I guess we want to think of ourselves as good people.
Things we can do to improve it at the micro level, macro level at least.
And then if the movement gets big enough, eventually improve the whole situation.
unidentified
Well, there's an element, too, that there can be unpredictable results when we let the government do it.
I ate at a restaurant recently that had a sign on the wall, and you may have seen the same sign saying, due to the loss of your American rights, you cannot smoke here anymore.
And that was a result of the Clean Indoor Air Act.
And I certainly like the benefits, but I wish it didn't have to come to that to make it a top-down, you must do this kind of approach.
Bit by bit, little by little, it's sort of what once was an absolute right is no longer so.
So it is changing, isn't it?
What a show.
From the high desert, great American Southwest.
I'm Art Bell.
Oh, how interesting was that?
Newscast during this last hour, somebody was asking for some presidential commission to answer the question, how can we prevent another Virginia tech?
And the clear answer to that is that you can't.
In a nation that resembles any shadow of itself, its original documents that made us what we are today, you don't prevent it.
If somebody is willing to give their life to take your life, the odds are heavily in their favor.
And without turning America into an armed camp, you don't prevent it.
We'll be right back.
You know, when we ask that question about whether you believe evil is manifested only in the mind of man by man, or whether we think it's some sort of external non-human force, it's interesting because if we say it's some sort of external non-human force, then we don't have to answer the really hard questions, do we, about what's changed in us.
We can say, oh, it's the devil, you know, Lucifer.
He made me do it.
He made that guy do it.
But if we acknowledge that what has changed is inside of us or in our nation or in our society, then we are suddenly face to face with a lot of really hard-to-answer questions, aren't we?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hello.
Hey, love your show, man.
And I wanted to touch on what you were saying before.
I totally agree that, you know, what we've gone from in society before, you know, about us not getting in touch with people is that Sunday, you know, we turned it into another day to get something else done.
And it's like, where are people going home and just spending time with their families?
You know, it's like, you know, no one's doing anything with each other.
And, you know, when people say that the media is kind of, you know, they're doing their negative shows and it's like, well, you know, they're not telling you to go out and do it or even to watch their show.
How much do you consider that you personally are affected by what's on television?
unidentified
It affects my thinking about, you know, how messed up our world has become, but, you know, it really doesn't put me in a bad enough mood to, you know, change me or change me.
Okay, that is what you're saying then, that evil is an external force.
And the problem with that is that if you believe it, it makes it too easy to say, well, then, okay, there's not a damn thing I can do about it.
You know, it's Lucifer, and he's expanding his domain, and he's taking over more and more souls.
And so there's really nothing I can do about it but hide, get my gun, and cower in the corner, because evil is going to come and get me.
But if, in fact, it's a change in all of us, then there is at least something that can be done, something that's in our control.
I guess I don't want to believe it's out of our control.
I don't want to believe that we're little puppets, marionettes, dancing at the end of a string, and that free will actually doesn't exist.
It's just something that we believe.
It's all a joke.
There is no free will.
It's actually Lucifer pulling on our strings, and we're doing the dance.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi, Ark.
Years ago, when I was a kid, you know, they had cowboys that shot each other and you saw very little blood.
That's right.
Right.
And Joseph Wambaugh had a show on years ago called Police Story, and he was very disappointed that when people got shot, because he's an ex-police officer.
And when people got shot, it didn't show what a gun can really do.
It didn't show that a 357 Magnum or a 44 can rip bone and flesh.
And so my question to you is, do you think that sanitized violence is contributing to society's lack of true sensitivity?
Because it kind of falls into a half-truth is worse than a lie.
There was certainly nobody's brain getting blown up against the wall.
There was not all the things we have today.
So today, you know, as long as you've got one of the pain networks, for example, no problem.
You'll see all the results of violence you want.
And if anything, we certainly live in a society where violence has increased, not decreased.
We've shown the effects of violence, and it's still increasing.
unidentified
We do, but on network television, it doesn't really get the point across to anybody that you could shoot somebody and not really show the devastating, horrific effects of what a missile can do to the human body.
And I keep thinking if you show what this really can do to a person, then that might kind of make people back off a little bit instead of giving them that video game mentality that I got another life to live or people don't really get hurt that bad.
You've got kind of a bad cell connection, but go ahead.
unidentified
Okay.
I was wanting to let you know, I feel that this thing that you're talking about tonight, about the violence and everything, I feel that it is a direction of Satan.
I mean, anytime you fall away from the teachings and stuff of the scriptures, and like your mother and father, my mother and father, they taught us to respect our country, respect our flag, respect elders, whether they were your mother and father or not.
And we have this new society that we have where they've taken religion and things out of school or it's changed everything.
You have no more control over your children.
The Bible says to raise a child in the way he should go and he'll carry it into his older age.
And I feel it's a direct deal from Satan because he is the author of evil.
If we say it's the devil, then that's kind of like the lawyer who goes in court and says, well, it's PTSD, or it's the effects of, you know, the hormones after you had your child that made you microwave it, or whatever.
Well, I mean, not in this country because we're such a new country, but if you read, you know, if you study like, well, read like the, I mean, the things that happened during the French Revolution, even, you know, the American Revolution.
Yeah, just horrible Things that were done to children.
I mean, you used to have children hung who were starving for stealing bread because they were hungry.
They were orphans and they were put in workhouses.
And I know I sound like I'm kind of rambling because I'm a little nervous, but I have a son that's 14 and he's in school.
And one thing, I just wonder if maybe also we're weak, you know, I mean, this, I'm just like, if four people would have rushed this guy, how many people would he have killed?
And it's like a question, do you want to be the one?
Do you want your kid to be the one to rush him and maybe make a sacrifice so he can't kill more people?
I went through Hurricane Katrina, and when I was trapped in a hotel room, and there were thugs all around me, well, all around us, and it was like being in a death trap.
And what was, you know, I thought if they bust in here, what am I going to do?
Yeah, the human behavior was very nearly as bad as the natural catastrophe, wasn't it?
unidentified
Yeah, except it was more of a personal level because a hurricane is just, you know, it's a big storm.
But when I was in actual fear for our lives in that hotel room, it was almost like a death trap if somebody would rush in there and do something to us.
It's like, am I just going to sit there and let them do it?
Or will I rush them and stop them if I have to?
And maybe, just maybe they can't get a bullet into me or my kid, you know?
I was just thinking about how you think, I think society has got a little sicker since all the shooting things.
Because I was looking back in my memory of when I went through a typhoon when I was about 10 years old in Canada and how we helped share each other's gas stoves on the city block.
Well, on occasion, when terrible things happen, people do gather around and help each other.
I think not as much as they once did.
And I'm sorry to say that Katrina and what occurred in New Orleans and some of the behavior that immediately began when that hurricane hit was pretty deplorable.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi, Lord.
Yes.
Paul, actually, this is Paul from Bennington, Vermont.
Yes, sir.
I believe good and evil exist in every person from the time they're born.
I believe if you're a baby and you're brought up with cigarettes being put on you, you're brought up evil.
I mean, that's what you learn.
If you are brought up in a wealthy family or even a middle-class family and you're nurtured all through life, I believe that you're taught good.
I believe that very few are inherently evil people.
I believe that that does exist, but I believe it exists within each person.
If we pass those values on to our children, it seems to work.
unidentified
Yes, it does, Art.
I'm very thankful my parents passed that along to me, and I'm working on passing it on to my two children.
I think that gets you through difficult times, and everybody experiences difficult times.
We all have times of depression and times of joy, good days and bad days, and you need something other than yourself to get you through it, and it's not the government.
The government only comes after a problem, and they're just trying to clean up a mess.
Now, since you are a pharmacist, go ahead and comment on that, which you probably didn't want to.
What do you think about this whole FDA clampdown?
unidentified
Well, I think a lot of it goes to everybody's trying to look out for themselves.
And the FDA, they're worried that if they don't start controlling these products, that at some point a consumer may get a hold of something akin to the old days of snake oil.
And something bad will happen.
They'll go, where was the FDA?
Where was the government?
They're not going to take accountability for themselves.
I don't think it's the doctors because, truthfully, the doctors are getting pinched just like everybody else.
It's the administrative drug companies and the insurance companies that are trying to pinch the doctors.
So they don't really want any more patients coming in.
They're having a hard time dealing with the flow of patients they have.
And the doctors, they're trying not to be bad guys, aren't.
They're trying to see all the patients that they can.
And what's happening is doctors are not getting paid as much as they used to.
And something that my dad and mom told me is if you live in a society where policemen and firemen, teachers and doctors, aren't reimbursed for their services, society is going to go into a downfall.
And already policemen and firemen, we all know they don't get paid anything.
Well, I'm going to go along with you on the policemen and the firemen and the teachers, but I'm not sure that I'd lump them in with the doctors.
unidentified
Well, the doctors, they are getting reimbursed the same, but they're doing a lot more work as time goes on.
I have a cousin that's a doctor, and I've discussed with him a lot about what's going on in his office.
And he's a general practitioner, the old family doctor.
And they're just getting overwhelmed with patients, and they're trying their best to see them as well as they can.
But at some point, you can't make any more doctors that quick.
There's a big shortage with pharmacists.
Same thing.
You can't just stamp a badge on somebody's name, and here you go, here's a doctor, here's a pharmacist.
We now have enough health care providers to handle the growing aging population.
And so everybody's getting pushed.
Everybody's getting pushed.
And then the insurance companies, the people there, they're just trying to do their job.
They're trying to make money for their company.
Instead of everybody looking at the big picture, and we oftentimes need to sacrifice ourself for someone else because we know in the creator's bigger picture, that is what we need to do.
It proves, yeah, everybody's talking about the same talk.
Everybody's keeping in order here.
Nobody's going astray.
But anyway, yeah, about this incident, this shooting now, number one, I really strongly believe NBC made a big boo-boo by advertising this guy on the air saying, hey, you can shoot a bunch of people and you'll be nationally shown all over the place.
So it just gives a message to everybody else saying, hey, you can shoot people and you'll be televised all over the world.
I noticed everybody else very nearly followed right along.
unidentified
Yeah, that's, I mean, it's just sending the message to people, hey, you could do something really horrible.
And hey, look, you'll be immortal.
You'll be on TV and that's a wrong idea.
I won't even say the guy's name, number one.
You just call him the shooter.
That's it, period.
It's an incident that happened.
Once you do that, these things will slow down.
Now we've got schools closing all over the United States because other guys are going, hey, maybe I can do this.
There's guns that are missing.
And, you know, if they didn't televise this thing, we wouldn't have all these schools shutting down like there are.
So they have to take it a little more responsibility and just say he's a shooter.
That's it.
And just let the police do their work and just keep it down.
And number one, why this happened initially is basically our population is growing globally.
The United States is growing exponentially.
This grow is huge.
When you say, wow, guns did that happen or a million to one.
Well, there's millions of people, so it's bound to happen sooner or later.
As our population increases, therefore, strange and usual things will take place, such as this shooting.
And it'll happen even more, since there's even more people.
The thing is, screening people and about guns, the gun thing, I think all guns, since it's, we go to stores and we purchase items in the stores and we have little tiny RFID things that track you when you go out of the store if it shows if you stole them something.
Why don't we put RFID tracking devices in the handle of these guns and have sensors near public areas like schools, libraries, you know, places where there's large masses of people so the alarm will go off telling that there's a gun.
And a gun should be checked yearly.
You have to bring in your gun, see if the RFID chip is still inside that handgun.
And that would be a good way to track, keep people away from, you know, taking a gun into a place where there's a large amount of people where this could happen.
If we were starting from ground zero right now and there were no guns out there and we could control all the guns that got put into hands, that might be a really good idea.
The downside of what you said is there's already millions and millions of guns, hundreds of millions of guns, and so it's not practical.
unidentified
Yeah, like some of the new guns, what they have now is what's called fingerprint identification and biometric.
They have guns with biometric now.
Those are the new next generation guns that are coming out.
What they're trying to do is make guns a little safer so that they're not used in situations like massive crimes and stuff.
So eventually we can get rid of the old series guns and replace them with new safer guns that are used for just home defense rather than taking them out and going into public places and just going on a rampage, which is completely irresponsible.
Well, you know, the Word of God describes the days of Noah, and then it tells us that in the last days that it would be the same, where sin would abound in the hearts of men, and wicked things would be done.
And, you know, I don't need the national media or even the local media to expound upon that fact.
All I have to do is have open eyes and ears to hear my own community.
And I don't think it would matter where I lived.
These things are on the rise.
And people are just doing things they shouldn't be doing.
You know, they're being influenced by Satan, by darkness, but it's just their choice.
The legend is that it's haunted that many actors, if they're back in the wardrobe room and they can't find a costume, all they do is call out the name for it and it will just magically appear.
Also, too, if you're down in the lobby at night, you would hear every time it was right there by our railroad tracks, and we would always hear a little child laughing about, and about two minutes later, the train would come by every night.
Well, if we could just prove the existence of ghosts, we could go a long way toward turning a lot of people around, couldn't we?
Because that would prove without any question that there is something after this physical life, and people would take a lot more care before they abused their short time they have here, therefore jeopardizing whatever lay beyond.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Oh, Yippi I. Oh, hello, Art.
Hello.
Hello.
Always a delight to speak with you.
I do believe that there is a way that we can manifest peace on this planet.
Well, we have to recognize that I think you're right, that it's a lot of what our society is doing, and there's a way around it.
There are teachers on this planet, and they are plants.
They are teachers of peace.
One of the greatest ones of all the plants on this planet.
Some of the very best food on the planet, some of the very best fibers on the planet, some of the very best fuel on the planet, some of the very best medicine on the planet, and it's a teacher of peace.