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March 18, 2007 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - God, Reincarnation, and Ancient Codes - Maurice Cotterell

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	From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whatever the case may be in whatever time zone you reside in, each and every one of them covered like a blanket by this program, Coast to Coast AM, I'm Art Bell.
	It is my honor and privilege to be escorting you through the weekend.
	Sure was great last night with Robert Bigelow.
	In the second hour, we're going to talk to Maurice Cotterell, who is going to try to explain gravity to us.
	Now, I never have understood, or don't properly understand now, gravity.
	The only thing I thought I understood about gravity was that it relates to mass.
	The bigger something is, the more gravity it has.
	And that's about all I think I know.
	So we'll find out.
	The webcam photograph tonight, kind of interesting, that's me.
	And that was taken by Aaron outside the hotel where the award ceremony took place.
	And actually, no, that's not true.
	It was taken outside our hotel, and it was kind of a pretty setting, so we took a few photographs there, and that was one of them.
	That was just prior to the award ceremony, actually.
	With regard to Pizza Punch, the website went down like a stack of dominoes.
	So, all I can say is, during the week, if you're interested in the now-incredible Pizza Punch, just go to ArtbelsPizzaPunch.com, and you never know, the website might come up, but boy, it really did go down hard, and within about 10 seconds of my mentioning it last night.
	All right, we're going to do on-screen open line calls, but much as I hesitate to do so, let us look never a pleasant task at the world news.
	U.S.
	Airways starts to move a few travelers.
	Actually, there are about 100,000 people who need seats, and after the ice and snowstorm that hit, They're having a hard time finding them.
	Actually, I guess it's getting a little better.
	The waiting period is down to 30 or 45 minutes or so.
	The Senate Judiciary Committee chairman said Sunday he intends to subpoena White House officials involved in ousting federal prosecutors and is dismissing anything short of their testimony in public.
	That sounds awfully familiar.
	Now, I wonder if the administration We'll quote or exert executive privilege as it has been done in some past cases I can think about.
	Those of you who are old enough can too.
	Sunni insurgents, war story.
	Resilient despite the five-week security crackdown in the capital, killed at least six more US troops over the weekend.
	A Sunni car bomber hit a largely Shiite district in the capital Sunday, killing at least eight people.
	So it just goes on and on and on.
	I guess we're celebrating, what, the fourth year?
	Or mourning the fourth year.
	A man who spent 18 years in prison for a rape he didn't commit was convicted Sunday of murdering a photographer whose charred bones were found in a burnt pit outside his home.
	Stephen Avery, 44, put his head down and just shook it when the verdict was read.
	The Clintons Appear together.
	Now they rarely do that.
	Very rarely.
	You just don't see them together.
	But they were at a fundraiser.
	It brought in over a million bucks for her presidential campaign.
	Do you think she can win?
	Ecuador.
	Seven pilot whales that came ashore on the Galapagos Islands died Sunday despite a serious effort of rescuers who really tried.
	Five other whales in the group were returned to the ocean.
	They were anywhere between 10 and 30 feet long.
	Nobody really has any idea why whales do this.
	Some people blame it on Navy sonar.
	Some people think they just decide to commit suicide.
	We just don't understand why the whales do this.
	But I have this, I don't know, this funny feeling inside.
	That we should try very hard to understand.
	In a moment, I've got some news you're just not going to believe.
	Stay right where you are.
	Alright, I'm the guy who was on the air the night the Phoenix lights happened.
	I'm the guy who sat here and took call after call after call from people who saw what appeared over Phoenix.
	And by the way, I should add, elsewhere.
	Now, following very closely on that occurrence, The Governor of Arizona went on TV, and I think he had somebody dressed up in a little alien suit or whatever it was, I can't remember, but it was a, you know, a typical, let's squash this story hard kind of comedy bit, you know, about the whole thing.
	You're just not going to believe this.
	Headline, Former Arizona Governor Admits Seeing UFO.
	Fife Symington decides to set records straight ten years after famed Phoenix Lights incident in Phoenix, Arizona.
	Ten years after the Arizona UFO incident, known as the Phoenix Lights, former Arizona Republican Governor Fife Symington III now says that he himself was witness to one of the craft of unknown origin, even though he originally did not say so publicly.
	In an exclusive interview by Leslie Keen, who's an investigative reporter with the Washington-based Coalition for Freedom of Information, released today in the Prescott, actually yesterday, in the Prescott Daily Courier, Symington now admits he saw an enormous, inexplicable craft that evening.
	On March 13th, 1997, during Symington's second term as governor, thousands, of course, saw a gigantic triangular and V-shaped Unidentified objects were gliding slowly and silently across the sky.
	Witnesses throughout the state estimated the eerie lighted vehicles were bigger than many football fields up to a mile.
	They reported that these were clearly solid technological flying machines that blocked out the stars, not merely lights.
	The objects were seen earlier than the row of lights near Phoenix, videotaped and shown repeatedly on television, which were most likely flares.
	Symington was well known for ridiculing the incident at a spoof press conference, so his statement marks a rather dramatic turnaround, I'd say, wouldn't you?
	According to his comments to Keene, he wants to make amends to his constituents and set the record straight.
	The former governor, a cousin of the late Missouri Senator Stuart Symington, says the incident remains unsolved and should be officially investigated.
	The U.S.
	government has never acknowledged that anything was in the sky that night, despite official documentation of a very similar flying craft of unknown origin investigated in the 1990s by the governments of both England and Belgium.
	I think I would like to speak to the ex-governor.
	I would love to have him on the show and hear in good, in great detail, exactly what he now admits to his constituents, or ex-constituents, what he saw.
	My God, it was next to, I think next to Roswell.
	Uh, Phoenix is probably the biggest thing that ever happened in ufology.
	And here, you know, if the governor at the time had admitted, had just admitted what he, a simple coming forward and saying, my God, I had no idea what it was, but I saw it.
	It was a solid craft.
	All the ridicule would have stopped cold.
	But no.
	No, he decided to wait.
	Ten years.
	The other big news is Mars, of course.
	New measurements of Mars' south polar region indicate extensive frozen water.
	The polar region, listen carefully, contains enough frozen water to cover the entire planet in a liquid layer approximately 36 feet deep.
	The entire planet would be covered with 36 feet of water.
	A Mars ocean over the whole planet!
	A joint NASA-Italian Space Agency instrument on the European Space Agency's Mars Express spacecraft provide this data.
	The new estimate comes from mapping the thickness of the ice.
	The Mars Express orbiter's radar instrument has now made more than 300 virtual slices through layered deposits covering whole The pole to map the ice.
	The radar sees through icy layers to the lower boundaries, which is as deep as 3.7 kilometers.
	Baby, that's a lot of ice.
	That's a lot of water.
	And as I mentioned last night with Bob Bigelow, this is going to make a Mars mission reality.
	We're not going to Mars if there's not water.
	You need water for a lot of things.
	You need water for life.
	You need water for fuel.
	So this is really big news.
	Smog and air pollution from Asian cities have intensified storms over the Pacific Ocean, which will result in increased warming of the Arctic.
	According to scientists, the report that the number of storm clouds in the region has increased up to, well, by half over the last 20 years.
	Rapidly industrialized cities in countries like India and China burn a whole lot more coal as they grow.
	The Pacific Storm System plays an important role in the circulation of the Earth's atmosphere, transporting heat and moisture to the northern latitudes.
	An atmospheric scientist at Texas A&M University said this weather system had been affected by tiny particles of pollution, such as soot, produced when burning coal.
	Now, here in the West, we have a lot of days that are strangely hazy.
	There's nothing really to account for.
	It's certainly not humidity.
	You know, single or low double-digit humidity here in the West.
	And so some of the hazy days that we have are simply, well, they simply can't be accounted for unless it's coming from far, far away.
	Incidentally, this is my comment only.
	But I wonder how many of you, in thinking about the honeybee problem, You know, honeybees just disappearing, right?
	Anybody put that together with chemtrails?
	Now I have no idea what exactly they're dumping in our skies.
	I know it contributes to strangely hazy days.
	And I don't know what else.
	I've had a couple of reports, one out of Idaho, of just god-awful things found in these so-called chemtrails.
	But I wonder if anybody bothered to put together the thought, and that's all it is, of chemtrails, things being sprayed, and the mysterious, unaccountable disappearance of honeybees.
	Just a thought.
	Just as explorers once searched the vast reaches of Africa's Nile River for clues to its behavior and ultimate source, modern-day scientists are now searching Antarctica for its hidden lakes and waterways that can barely be detected on the surface of the ice sheet.
	In a new study, it seems researchers have unearthed how water from this vast subglacial system contributes to the formation of ice streams.
	Also, how it plays a very crucial role in transporting ice from the remote interior of Antarctica toward the surrounding ocean.
	Water flowing from this network of under-ice lakes, they say, ultimately affects climate and global sea level.
	Now, more and more, we seem to be learning that whatever happens seemingly on some remote part of the planet, ultimately, it's like the butterfly effect, Seems to affect just about everything else, and eventually us.
	Oh, and Iran, another one.
	An unidentified flying object crashed in the Baraz Mountains in the central province of Kerman, K-E-R-M-A-N, in Iran Wednesday morning.
	The Deputy Governor General of that province told FNA that the crash, which was followed by an explosion and a thick spiral of smoke, Has caused no casualties nor damage to any property.
	He further denied earlier reports that the explosion had been the result of a plane or perhaps a chopper crash, reminding all that passing aircraft have been reported safe and sound.
	Everything that should have passed, passed and landed.
	The official further stated that investigators are on their way now.
	Police are looking at it.
	Other relevant authorities in this regard are investigating.
	While other reports spoke of meteors, the Governor said there were no conclusive witnesses in this regard, but he did not dismiss the possibility the crash might have been caused by a meteor.
	In recent history, the famous Tunguska event stands out as one of the rare large-scale demonstrations that uphold doomsday event as a real possibility for us, the human race.
	Back during the Soviet times, a science fiction writer suggested the event was a result of perhaps a UFO explosion rather than a meteorite.
	However, the Soviet scientists rejected the theory, most of them anyway, and prohibited the author from continuing any further investigation into that area.
	Since 1994, the theory has been revived after the Tunguska Spatial Phenomena Foundation Made up of some 15 enthusiasts, among them geologists, chemists, physicists, and mineralogists, have been organizing regular expeditions to the area.
	The energy of the blast, which, by the way, was assumed to have been caused by a meteorite or comet, was later estimated to be anywhere between 10 and 15 megatons of TNT.
	That would be equivalent to Castle Bravo.
	That would be the most powerful nuclear bomb ever detonated by the US.
	The blast felled an estimated 60 million trees, causing damage up to 400 miles away.
	That's a big boom.
	And was heard even further away.
	Even the heat that came out from the explosion was felt hundreds of miles away.
	For several nights, all over Northern Europe, the sky glowed enough to light the streets of London.
	You can imagine that.
	The 1927 investigation, the expedition could not locate any bits of the meteorite.
	That puzzled the researchers, looking for any evidence at all.
	Another puzzle for the expedition was the way the stress on the trees and the way they were felled in an outward motion, that in the center the trees were still standing, although the bark and branches had all been destroyed.
	So once again, they're looking at that as possibly, well frankly, something other than a meteorite.
	Scientists now say what Mama told you was true.
	We need to learn to trust our intuition.
	This is from Whitley Streber's Unknown Country.
	This works particularly well when it comes to taking tests.
	Remember tests in school?
	The LiveScience.com website reports that in a recent study, participants who made very quick decisions based on intuition did a whole lot better than those who gave a more thoughtful response.
	Now, how many of you have taken multiple choice tests?
	Almost all of us, I would imagine, right?
	When you look down, there's always two dumb answers.
	Generally four, right?
	Two of them are dumb, and then you've got two left.
	And almost always, your first intuitive grab at what you think might be right is inevitably the right one.
	File that away.
	Next time you've got to take a test.
	All right, we're going to do open lines.
	On screen, open lines.
	So here are the numbers.
	West of the Rockies, 1-800-618-8255.
	Have you got a pencil?
	That's 1-800-618-8255.
	Have you got a pencil?
	That's 1-800-618-8255.
	East of the Rockies, anywhere back there, 1-800-825-5033.
	First time callers, we love you!
	1-818-501-4721.
	4721 wildcard line, people.
	And we have many of those.
	Area code 818-501-4109.
	callers we love you 1-818-501-4721 4721 wildcard line people and we have
	818-501-4109.
	many of those area code 818-501-4109 818-501-4109 international line
	whatever country you're in 800-893-0903 That's 800.
	Well, get hold of your local operator, whoever she is, and have her dial 800-893-0903.
	Very quickly, first time caller line, you're on the air.
	Yeah, Art, I wanted to tell you about a dream I had the other night.
	A dream?
	Yes, sir.
	About what?
	Well, you may not want to hear about it, Ark, because it's a little personal.
	Well, if I don't want to hear about it, why'd you call me?
	Well, I needed to tell you about it, Ark.
	I had a dream that your unborn daughter was the Antichrist.
	Really?
	Well, uh, listen.
	Uh, I don't think too many children are born with a whole lot of hair.
	Some of them have some hair.
	But we'll do an intensive, quick search, looking for the, uh, you know, the terrible three sixes.
	And if we find them, we'll take immediate action.
	Christ.
	Oh, for goodness sakes.
	What next?
	West of the Rockies.
	Next.
	You're on the air.
	Hi.
	How you doing?
	I'm Marlon Moore.
	I'm on Interstate 80 here, and I wanted to tell you that I listened to the show last night and found it quite intriguing, and it made me think that, you know, there was an aspect of the business part of that proposal that he was doing that I don't think he really fully appreciates, and that is the camera aspect.
	Well, I did ask about it.
	Tell you what, we got a break coming up.
	You hold it right there, and I'll come back to you after the break, all right?
	Unless we have an early delivery and the Antichrist prevents me from doing it.
	I'm Art Bell from the High Desert.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	By the way, maybe some of you can help with regard to the birth of my little triple six, Common.
	We've done a little math and none of it works out quite right for me.
	We know that she was conceived On September 15th.
	I mean, that's a sure bet.
	It was raining in Hong Kong.
	We were there and it was raining.
	So, that's when she was conceived.
	We know that!
	Now, you go to the doctor and the doctor takes out a little calculator and he goes out, well, he goes, well, when was your last period, ma'am?
	It was, you know, August 31st or something.
	And so then they compute the date that the baby would be delivered.
	Now, a normal pregnancy is supposed to be 40 weeks, right?
	Or 9 months.
	Originally, we think of it as 9 months.
	Well, take an average of 30 days times 9.
	That's 270 days, right?
	It should take 270 days.
	Or if you think of it as 40 weeks, it would come out to, to what?
	40 weeks, 7, 280 days.
	days, 270, or if you think of it as 40 weeks, it would come out to what, 40 weeks, 280 days,
	that would be 280 days, right?
	But according to my calculations, this baby is going to be delivered about two weeks early.
	Now, I thought originally it would be around my birthday, but it's going to be around June 1st, they tell me.
	End of May, maybe 1st of June.
	Now, it's going to be by C-section, because Aaron is so small.
	So we're just conceding it'll be C-section.
	So we might not ever know then who's right.
	I've told my doctor, I think, you know, it's going to be more toward the 17th of June on my birthday, which I think it would be.
	But with a C-section, we'll never really know.
	Anybody who knows the real math of what it ought to be, I'm listening.
	We'll be right back.
	All right, on the Bigelow Aerospace satellites, there are cameras, both interior and exterior.
	And this caller was saying I missed something about them.
	Caller, go ahead.
	Yes, I was just going to say that as human beings we live at the bottom of this gravity well.
	We very seldom get to see out of it.
	We get artist renditions and we get clips of things here and there, but imagine a roving eye that would go to the other side of the moon or to the rings of Saturn and show in real time A real picture of what space looks like.
	If you could bring space closer to the everyday lives of people here, I'm sure that school kids would be more interested in science and would dream more of our future and make it more real.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	I mean, what are you suggesting?
	They're going to have inside cameras.
	Yeah, I'm saying that I would be willing, like a pay-per-view event or subscription, Would be willing to pay on a monthly basis for the access to space, to the environment that I live in, to the solar system that I live in, to see more of it.
	I mean, I'm never going to get the opportunity as a human being most likely to travel because I don't have that kind of money to travel in outer space, but at least to have set eyes on it.
	You know, if they could get the state of the art cameras with wide, you know, Big angles and vast panoramas and have access to that at any time that I want and click in it and look out into space and to see exactly what our environment is about.
	You know there's in philosophy Plato had that allegory of the cave where there were shadows on the cave wall and people looked at the shadows and made up stories about those shadows and But we're afraid to see what was actually casting the shadow.
	Listen, I'm with you.
	It is a cool idea.
	And maybe it's a financially rewarding idea.
	Who knows?
	I think that it would be, and if you could make it commonplace where every child has seen the rings with their own eyes or, you know, Mars firsthand, you know, like the pictures that came back from the little bugs that we have crawling around there.
	It was an amazing feeling to think that this is real.
	This is someplace else.
	This is science fiction made real.
	I think it's a great business opportunity there if you can see it just from the camera work.
	So do I. Although some of what you're talking about would be sort of pay-by-Hubble.
	You know, the rings of Saturn.
	I mean, for example, you aren't going to see those well with anything short of Hubble.
	Weightless stuff, I suppose, inside a satellite might be moderately interesting for a little while.
	An outside camera focusing on Earth, particularly one that had good zoom capability, would be a blast.
	Google Earth is doing some of that, in a way.
	But he's got a good thought.
	And in all of this, we'll get back to Mr. Bigelow.
	You can be sure of that.
	He's the arbiter, though, of what goes up.
	East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Mr. Bell.
	Yes, sir.
	I want to say congratulations for your Lifetime Achievement Award.
	Thank you.
	It was a great honor.
	Yes.
	And I was still waiting for, like, an autographed picture from you.
	Oh, you were?
	Yes.
	I've been trying for months to get one.
	Well, I'll tell you what I get.
	I'll try and explain this to you as best I can.
	I get a gazillion emails every day from professional autograph hunters, and it's just not possible to discern You know, inevitably, they say something like, uh, Mr. Bell, I really enjoy your work.
	Would you send me an autographed picture, please?
	And I know that a lot of these people are professional autograph hunters, and so I kind of don't respond to them for the most part.
	Oh, I'm not one of the... Well, I know, but how do... See, from the point of view of an email, how do I know?
	Uh-huh.
	See, I don't know how to run a computer.
	Um, you don't know how to run a computer?
	No.
	Okay.
	Um, and then how did you ask me for one?
	Uh, well, when your, uh, wife was, uh, pregnant the first time, you told me to talk to the caller and, uh, you know, she would, uh, take care of it.
	No, I don't remember this.
	She's only been pregnant once, this time.
	Yes.
	So, this was when I was in Manila?
	Yes.
	I think as I explained then and I will explain now, if I run into somebody in person and they ask for an autograph, I never hesitate for a second.
	I've got some stock, you know, really nice glossy photos that I take out.
	But really, folks, I'll tell you how it is.
	You get about 30 or 40 requests a day, and the majority of them are from professional autographed hunters.
	They, you know, they just make a list of people they consider to be celebrities, and I don't consider myself to be one, by the way.
	I don't even want to be considered one.
	And they send them off, and they just sort of save them as a collectible, hoping to make money on them someday.
	So I've not responded well to that kind of thing, and I hope you can understand why at that number every day you'd be doing just about nothing else.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello, this is Michael.
	Yes, sir.
	I wanted to say to Art Bell that... I am Art Bell.
	Oh, sir.
	Gee, I'm sorry, you sound different.
	As a nephrologist, in the past, we did the Princess Diane projections in September of the year prior to William being born.
	And what I would suggest, before your wife goes under the knife, one second, let me turn this off.
	Yeah, turn it off.
	Before she goes under the knife, Get an astrologist reading on the date and the relation to the Caesarean.
	The child does take its own date, irregardless of how we wrap things around.
	I believe that.
	I believe that.
	But she's 4 feet 8 inches tall.
	She's a very short girl, and right now she's a very big girl.
	She's in month 7, and she's really big.
	I'll tell you what they can do.
	They can take a picture of the size of the baby's head, sort of at the last minute, and make a decision that way.
	Or you can make a decision ahead of time.
	And with her being so small, I would rather consult somebody who can actually measure the size of the head and then sort of make a scientific decision based on that.
	Not in doubt of astrology, because I think there's something to it.
	Even the Vatican, matter of fact, thinks or thought there was something to astrology.
	When you walk into the Vatican, first thing you see is a big globe broken down into the 12 signs of the zodiac.
	It's the darndest thing.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Yes, I just had a question.
	Okay, turn your radio off, please, sir.
	Thank you.
	All the way off.
	Okay.
	Proceed.
	Yeah, this is Trent in San Diego.
	Yes, Trent.
	Yeah, Art had mentioned earlier in the program about the mistreatment of whales beaching themselves.
	Let me straighten this out, sir.
	I'm Art.
	Oh, okay.
	Excuse me.
	Anyways, you had mentioned about the whales beaching themselves.
	Yes.
	I've just wondered if there's any historical record of whales doing that prior to Navy sonar.
	I'll take the, excuse me, answer off the air.
	Okay, I'm not sure I know the answer.
	I think whales have, to some degree or another, always beached themselves, although I'm reaching for that answer.
	I don't know that to be absolutely true, but I really do think that there's some reason that we don't understand.
	Navy sonar may well exacerbate the problem.
	I don't think it's the only reason that whales beach themselves, and we don't know why they do it.
	If we could look inside, maybe we ought to get one of these Animal people, like the lady I had who talked about cats not long ago, to tell us exactly why that does occur.
	I'd love to know myself.
	Maybe they just decide that, I don't know, like an Eskimo going out on the ice, as the old story goes.
	They've just lived long enough and they decide they're going to beach themselves.
	I just don't know, but I would like to know.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	I just wanted to call and tell Art thank you for keeping me up many restless nights.
	And I have a family member that lives out in Bakersfield, California and I was talking to him about a couple weeks ago and he was telling me that last summer they went to Lake Isabella there in California and they saw one of those triangles that Art had seen.
	Right.
	And I was just going to call and let him know.
	Okay, let me get this straight.
	I'm Art.
	Oh, well, hello, Mr. Bell.
	Hi.
	Pleasure to talk to you.
	Thank you very much.
	These really are unscreened calls, you know, so you're coming directly to me.
	Oh, great, great.
	But yeah, like I said, I was just kind of talking to him.
	He's an EMT technician, him and his wife both there in Bakersfield.
	And we were talking about what we listened to on the radio late at night, and I was telling him about your program, and we were kind of talking about things, you know, that y'all talk about, of course, and I got to telling him about the triangle you saw there in Vermont, and his mouth just dropped open.
	You know, he said, oh my God.
	I said, what?
	And he said, you're not going to believe this.
	He said that me and my wife were there at Lake Isabella last summer, and we saw the same thing.
	He said I was afraid to say anything to anybody because I was afraid they thought I was crazy.
	Well, I think that's the exact reason that ex-Governor Symington of Arizona, instead of coming out and saying, hey, you know what?
	I saw the same thing a lot of my constituents saw last night, decided to pull the little prank of having someone dress up in a little alien suit, little green guy, made fun of the whole incident.
	Now, I really would like to interview ex-Governor Symington, former Governor Symington, And find out why, um, in the cause of truth, in the cause of being honest with his own constituents, which he kind of called crazy, not directly, but, you know, by putting on that little skit and making fun of the whole thing, in a sense, that's what he did.
	Didn't just come out and, uh, and be honest.
	Can you imagine?
	Can you imagine how that would have changed the way that entire incident was looked at if somebody as credible as the governor of the state had come forward and said, my God, I saw a solid object floating in the skies above Phoenix.
	I saw it myself.
	What a difference that would have made.
	Pfft. Brother.
	East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Hi, Art.
	Hi.
	This is Donnie from Sedalia, Missouri.
	Yes, sir.
	I was just wondering, you know, with your new wife and all, I was wondering what you really thought of seeing Los Angeles for the first time.
	I'm sorry, of seeing what?
	Seeing Los Angeles, California.
	Seeing L.A.
	Okay, let me see what I can do about describing that for you.
	It was The traffic in Los Angeles, while somewhat more orderly, we hit L.A.
	Friday night at drive time.
	You know, 4, 5, 6 o'clock in that area.
	We were down on the 15, getting on the 10.
	And it was, as you would imagine, L.A.
	would be at about that time of night.
	And so, the roads were better.
	The driving order was more, slightly better.
	Other than that, and the fact that we didn't have, well, in Manila you have, you have people walking across the street, you have people on bicycles, you have people in jeepneys which stop unexpectedly, you have every manner of creature and person crossing the road, running, crawling, Otherwise, obstructing traffic.
	Other than that, there were great similarities between LA traffic and Manila traffic.
	You know, I actually got to the point where I was driving in Manila traffic.
	Just before I came back here, I finally had worked up the cojones to drive in some Manila traffic.
	I was getting pretty...
	Pretty cocky.
	The first many months I was just scared to death.
	Wouldn't have a thing to do with it.
	Even after I got a car, still wouldn't have a thing to do with it.
	I would take taxis virtually everywhere and let them take the risks.
	But I finally figured out the odds of... I could be as crazy as they could be.
	Now, one of the things in Manila that you have to very quickly realize, this will give you some sense of how different it is, You know what we regard as stop signs here, right?
	Stop.
	The big red stop signs.
	They're exactly the same in Manila.
	Exactly.
	The only difference is, you don't stop at a stop sign in Manila.
	And if you do, you're going to get rear-ended.
	So, that was one of the first things that I found it very difficult to assimilate.
	Not stopping at a stop sign.
	You just go sailing right through it, and if you don't, you're going to get rear-ended.
	So, that was the beginning of the difference, and there's a big difference, but what did she think of LA traffic?
	She thought, otherwise, other than it was more orderly, the streets were better.
	It was still a mess.
	We were in stop-and-go traffic and anywhere you go in LA, 5 to 6 to 7 o'clock in the evening, on the 10, you're crawling just about the same speed you do in Manila.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi, this is Dana calling from Southern California.
	I just want to tell a quick story.
	About 12, 13 years ago, I was commuting between Los Angeles and Las Vegas and was driving out in the middle of the desert.
	Uh, about one o'clock in the morning and, um, fiddling with my radio.
	Of course, nothing was coming in.
	Switched over to the AM, and this really weird radio show came on.
	And, um, of course, it was your show.
	And, uh, I've been listening ever since, and I just want to say, you do a great job, and it's the most entertaining, thought-provoking radio show I've ever heard in my life.
	That's very—high compliment.
	Thank you so very much.
	It is that, isn't it?
	And when you're out on the road, I've said this a lot of times in the past, but when you're out on the road, on a long trip, for example, on the 15 on the way up to Las Vegas for the weekend or something, and, you know, for a little while, music is okay.
	Tap your foot to the beat.
	But it gets old!
	And it literally makes you tired after a while.
	But when you tune into something like talk radio, your brain is suddenly engaged.
	You're listening to a story.
	You're listening to...
	Well, what's going to come next?
	Instead of the next beat, the next tap of the foot, the brain begins to get engaged.
	The neurons begin to fire.
	And before you know it, you're into something totally different.
	You can't wait for what comes next.
	On the international line, you are next at the moment.
	Not a lot of time.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Yes, you're on the air.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay, and he hung up.
	Well, you're on the air on a wildcard line.
	Hi.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	Hi, I wanted to call to say congratulations on the child.
	Well, thank you.
	And this is Jerome Moore from Georgia.
	Okay, I'm awfully sorry.
	We ran out of time.
	You gave your last name, which is a no-no, so I took that out.
	At any rate, the gentleman was congratulating me.
	Thank you very much, but you can't give your last name on here.
	All right, we're going to take a brief break, and when we come back, Maurice Cotterell is going to tell us about gravity.
	I'm very much looking forward to that.
	In layman's terms, I hope.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Just what we need, a new religion that will bring us to our knees.
	We're going to go back to the basics here, I hope, with Maurice Cotterell.
	He's coming to us all the way, I think, from Great Britain.
	In 1989, engineer and scientist Maurice Cotterell found a way of calculating the duration of long-term magnetic reversals on our sun.
	Now, the magnetic reversals occur every 11 years.
	Sun reverses polarity and we enter what we call a new cycle.
	You can think of it as 11 or 22, it doesn't matter.
	Using this knowledge, he was able to break the codes of the sun-worshipping civilizations of the world.
	First, the Mayas of Mexico, those of Tutankhamen of Egypt, In South America, the ancient Chinese, now the European Celts.
	Now, their secret knowledge of the super-science of the sun and the higher orders of spirituality enabled him to locate the Holy Grail, which he will talk about tonight.
	Maurice says these remarkable ancient stories explain why we live, why we die, what God is, what the soul is, what heaven is, what hell is, how reincarnation works, And how to get to heaven, and how to survive this life.
	That's a tall order for a three-hour talk show.
	Maurice Cotterell coming up in a moment.
	How cool is this?
	No, not from Great Britain.
	Maurice is coming from Ireland!
	All the way from Ireland!
	Oh, that's great.
	Maurice, welcome to the program.
	Thank you very much, Alex.
	Okay, Maurice, prior to the program I received a very nice bound little thing marked confidential, how gravity works, the cause of universal attraction between particles of matter.
	Now, if it's confidential, then I guess we can't talk about it on the radio, right?
	Well, that was an interim confidentiality class, Art.
	I actually presented the paper to the public.
	In Nevada about two weeks ago at the UFO conference and it went down very well.
	The idea being was that I was just trying to get some sort of confidentiality before the actual public announcement which you know as I say went down very well but we're free to talk about it.
	Well, I'm not sure we want to.
	It's very complicated, Maurice.
	It would go over a lot of heads out there, and some of it goes over mine.
	Now, I'm going to tell you in a sentence or two what I know about gravity.
	Gravity seems to be related to the mass of an object or planet or whatever.
	In other words, gravity is a function of mass.
	Now, if that is not true or you understand something else to be true, explain it in a way that I and others can understand.
	It's very quite straightforward art really.
	It's just high school stuff.
	Isaac Newton noticed around about 1660 that the presence of the moon affected the level of the tides in the ocean.
	And so he suggested that the moon must have some sort of a force which is pulling on the ocean.
	And he called this force gravity.
	And he looked into it a little bit more, and he noticed that when the Sun and the Moon were aligned, for example, during a spring tide, that the tides were even higher.
	So he then concluded that gravity must be additive.
	In other words, when we have two gravitational forces in a row, they must pull twice as hard, if you like.
	And he sat down, he thought about it for a few years, and in 1687 he brought out His Principia, which discuss the principles of gravity and the universal forces which affect us.
	And he was the first to quantify the relationship, as you quite rightly point out in mathematical terms, as proportional to the masses of the two bodies in question that are attracting each other, and inversely proportional to the distance between them squared.
	So, although he quantified it, he wasn't able to explain What caused gravity?
	And, in fact, since then, for the last 350 years, many researchers have tried to get to the bottom of the gravitational enigma without success.
	Right.
	And this is, in fact, what I've been able to do over the past few weeks.
	All right.
	Well, this is very complicated.
	What you've presented is very complicated.
	Is there a way you can explain it to us here on the air, Maurice, that will make sense to the average guy?
	We've got a lot of average guys out there and gals, so... Well, I'm an average guy, Art, and it's actually quite simple once you get rid of all the intellectual rhetoric, if you like.
	Okay.
	Basically, we've got to say to ourselves, how can one body attract another?
	And it seems to me that Isaac Newton, in giving us a definition of gravity, which says that gravity is the force between two bodies, he actually painted himself into a corner.
	Because it raises the question about what happened when the universe began.
	Well, when the universe began and we had the Big Bang, the first particle appeared before all of the other particles.
	So we must assume, if we're going to take any notice of Isaac Newton's definition, that there was no gravity at that time because there's only one particle.
	And he was saying that gravity is the force between two particles.
	Well, no, no, wait a minute.
	We don't actually know, Maurice, do we, what happened at the Big Bang?
	Most legitimate scientists now will straightforward tell you they don't know what happened at the Big Bang.
	They know, you know, within seconds, or parts of seconds, what happened.
	But, you know, the big explosion that they don't really know about prior to the Big Bang or the Big Bang itself.
	We don't know, but we can make observations and we can make inferences from those observations.
	And in fact, we have the best possible model.
	It's the scientific model of today.
	In my work, I've gone back beyond the Big Bang using Einstein's equation of E equals mc squared to explain what God is.
	Excuse me.
	In my previous books over the years, over the last 20 years, and using Einstein's equation of E equals mc squared, I was able to uh... ascertain that god was energy or light in the
	beginning to me and this is what the scriptures tell us got his energy electromagnetic
	energy or light we've no reason to dispute that
	uh... i find tell us is that when the energy crossed over his equation into mc
	squared it became a mass in other words he converted to some process
	now we refer to that process today at the big bang what we noticed is that when energy this energy goes across
	einstein's equation to become a lot times the speed of light
	it must change it algebraic fine at the That's just the rule of algebra.
	If you take something from one side of the equation and take it to the other, it changes its sign.
	And what that tells us is that the energy is of the opposite predisposition to the mass.
	And if God is energy, then mass Must be the opposite of God, which is hell or the devil.
	So the spiritual world is God, E, and on the other side of the equation we have hell, which is the physical world or the physical universe, which is what we're living in today.
	So we live in hell.
	We live in hell.
	The physical universe is hell.
	The physical universe is hell.
	There's no question about it.
	It's the opposite of God.
	And when the universe began, with a Big Bang or whatever, when this energy converted into mass, time began.
	Because before that time, when light existed, and only light existed, then nothing was going on, nothing was happening, because there was only light.
	But as soon as the Big Bang took place, the universe was created, and we had time, we had night, we had day.
	We had events which were ordered.
	Some events transpired before others.
	Some after others.
	So we had time.
	The mother came before the baby.
	The baby came before the grandchild, if you like.
	And evolution began on the Earth.
	And the Earth started to develop.
	Life on the Earth started to develop from the first simple cells of amoeba to more complex cells like the Spirogyra to Fish is to birds and eventually to primates and eventually mankind developed and mankind had biological systems which the heart pumps blood around the body.
	We have nervous systems which are driven electrically.
	The electrical signals go to the brain.
	The brain develops voltages.
	Now of course everything in the physical world is the opposite to God.
	So, if God is a plus one million volts, if you like, the body on Earth was a small piece of anti-God, if you like, minus five volts.
	What happened during a period of our intellectual development or growth?
	The voltage of the brain reached a specific trigger level, a critical mass, if you like, sufficiently to draw another voltage off God.
	In other words, let's say, for example, the brain developed minus eight volts.
	At some point during our evolution, that minus 8 volts dragged another bubble of energy from God.
	Plus 8 volts of God attached to the minus 8 volts of the body.
	And we became human beings with a soul and with a body.
	And then from that moment on, as we develop, we're told from the scriptures, for example, Jesus and so on, if we love our neighbor, then our voltage increases, we can develop a halo around our head, And when our body dies, the biological body dies, the voltage is released and goes back to God.
	Can you, Maurice, can you measure and prove any of that?
	Well, again, it's through observation and inference, and that's what's got mankind to where we are today.
	It's not a question of proof.
	You were talking about voltages, so let me slow you up there.
	If you meant that literally, did you mean that literally?
	I mean it literally, yes, absolutely.
	Well then that should be measurable, should be able to be measured in some way.
	Not at this time.
	Science can't measure it at this time.
	I'm sure it can be measured one day, and it will be measured one day.
	But at this time, for example, we couldn't measure voltages 150 years ago, because we didn't have any measuring equipment.
	But at this time, it would appear that we can't measure the voltage of the soul.
	But all the indicators suggest that this kind of process is taking place.
	And that the universe is here as a conduit to facilitate God growth.
	In other words, it seems that God, which we're told in the scriptures, created man in his own image.
	Well, man cannot grow.
	We can only grow to, say, six feet high and two feet wide, beyond which we have to throw a sperm away, and then we can grow some more.
	The same thing goes for a female.
	She has to throw an ovum away, and she can grow some more.
	Indeed, the apple tree has to throw an apple away before it can grow beyond a certain point.
	So God seems to be telling us that although He's good, and God is love, and there's nothing better than God, there seems to be one limitation to what God is capable of, and that seems to be self-growth.
	So it seems that God created the universe so that He could create mankind as a conduit to facilitate voltage of Himself.
	In other words, As mankind becomes pure, the voltage of mankind increases.
	When men die, or when people die, they go back to God, and God grows.
	And because God grows, the physical universe grows, which is a corollary.
	So, Maurice, your theory, then, embraces both creation and evolution without even pausing, right?
	Absolutely.
	I mean, they're two sides of the same coin.
	We're talking about spirituality and science, and they can't be separated.
	I believe that.
	I'm with you there.
	I once heard, Marie, somebody describe God as a lonely entity who, in order to propagate himself, in essence, blew himself up, which was the Big Bang.
	He converted himself.
	He didn't necessarily... I don't think... The scriptures don't suggest he was lonely.
	The scriptures suggest that God is good, God is love, and therefore the only thing better than God is more love.
	Sorry, the only thing better than love is more God, which is more love.
	And that God couldn't grow spontaneously and indigenously, and therefore he created a mechanism for more growth.
	Because more God is more good, which is more love, which makes sense.
	I don't think he's lonely because he's not, you know, his energy.
	That was just an analogy, really.
	I mean, just in order to propagate.
	In other words, I'm almost sticking with you on your theory here.
	In order to propagate himself, he had to do what he did, which, in essence, was converting his energy to all that now is.
	That is absolutely correct.
	Okay.
	I can kind of buy into that.
	So, you just answered the question about why we live.
	We are God.
	We are God.
	Well, the soul inside is God.
	The body is the devil, because the body is part of the physical universe.
	So we are half God and half devil.
	And we live for 70 years.
	If our voltage goes up, we go back to God, because we can escape the Earth's gravity and the Earth's magnetic field.
	If our voltage goes down, because we hate people, And it diminishes because we're not at peace.
	Then when the body decays and dies and it can no longer hold on to the soul, the soul will migrate to another set of cells which are beginning to divide and multiply, another organic piece of matter.
	Now if the voltage has gone down, it could come back to the developing... I'm sorry to interrupt, Maurice, but you just went right past something.
	If our voltage goes up, we die and we essentially go to heaven.
	But if our voltage goes down, then it seems to me you just said that we reincarnate.
	That's exactly right.
	Now, the Maya, the Central American Maya, means illusion.
	It comes from an ancient Sanskrit word.
	They were one of the first civilizations to suggest that everything we see around us is illusion.
	And what they were trying to tell us by that, for example, if you hold a flower in your hand, it appears to be a flower, it feels like a flower, it smells like a flower, but the fact is, in two weeks' time, the biological voltage of the plant will decay as the plant rots and dies.
	The sole voltage which is attracted to that living organic material will then release So the soul of the flower will leave the flower and become perhaps a worm or a bird.
	So when we see human beings, we think we see a human being, but that's illusion.
	What we see is God.
	God is in everybody.
	But whether or not we subsist as God and progress up the spiritual chain depends on our own performance on Earth.
	By the way, are you throwing a switch or something when you pause?
	You don't need to do that, just stay on the phone, because I hear a click, you know, every time.
	No, that's okay.
	I'm actually coughing and I'm covering the phone up.
	Oh, I see, alright.
	I'll loosen up after a few moments, hopefully.
	Okay, yeah, don't worry about it.
	So, you're saying then, let's stick with reincarnation for just a moment.
	You believe then that there is a cross-species reincarnation, is that right?
	It's not a question of what I believe.
	I've decoded the treasures of the Mayas in Mexico, and I've decoded the treasures of the Peruvians, and of the Egyptians, and of the ancient Chinese, and of the Celtic people, and they've all left the same messages behind in their treasures.
	And the messages come in two different ways, of which we have just spoken.
	On the one hand we have the scientific arguments, and on the other hand we have the spiritual arguments.
	And they set down in their treasures all of this information that I'm giving to you.
	I haven't knocked this up over the weekend.
	I mean, these people who worshipped the sun thousands of years ago understood that if we didn't go to heaven then we would reincarnate on earth.
	So they encoded all of this super science of the sun and all this higher orders of spiritual understanding Into their treasures.
	So if they reincarnated in thousands of years time and came back to Earth, they could begin where they left off.
	You see, the problem is when we dump our bodies, when we're dead, we lose our brain and we lose our heart.
	I mean, this is what the Egyptians were trying to tell us when they preserved the internal organs, except for the heart and the brain.
	You know, they preserved the organs in canopic jars and they were trying to tell us, look, If you reincarnate, we might want to preserve the body.
	We might want to preserve the internal organs.
	But it's no good preserving the heart and the brain.
	You'll be getting a new heart with new emotional memory.
	You'll be getting a new brain with new data in that brain.
	You can't carry information like a CD-ROM from one life to another.
	And what that means is, our level of understanding goes back to zero.
	The disc is wiped clean.
	and we have to start at the bottom of the ladder again, and we have to suffer.
	And this is what it's all about, because suffering causes the mind to wrangle
	with the problems, to wrestle with the problems, and the mind wrestles with the heart,
	and the heart becomes pure, like the wringing of water from a wet rag.
	And when the heart becomes pure, it allows the impurity in the soul,
	in the spirit to drain through the heart, and the heart becomes pure, and it increases its voltage,
	the mind becomes pure and increases its voltage, and then when the soul leaves the body,
	as light, because that's what we are, light beings, it then goes back to God.
	Well, Marisa, I've got to ask, how then are karmic lessons learned?
	If the disc is wiped, and there's no memory from lifetime to lifetime, nothing at all, then how is a karmic lesson ever learned?
	There is some memory, and this is what the Tibetans... It's not a lot, though.
	It's minimal.
	It's what the Tibetans call sanskaras.
	And this is what explains child prodigies like Mozart, who can play the piano at the age of six and things like that.
	In other words, it's the same soul energy, but the soul can carry.
	It is capable of carrying a modulation into the next life.
	Let me explain what I mean by that.
	We're coming up to a break, so there's not going to be enough time to really explain this properly.
	It's a very, very interesting concept, one that I share.
	Actually, I share your belief in reincarnation.
	Hold it right there, Maurice.
	We are coming up on a break.
	Now, I do believe in reincarnation.
	And by the way, I've had about 10 million emails saying one is about to occur in Little Asia.
	We'll be right back.
	Here I am.
	Good morning, everybody.
	I've had a thousand emails, thousands, really, suggesting Ramona might be reincarnating right now.
	And who am I to say not?
	She had a fire of life in her that was just unstoppable.
	So, could it happen?
	Could it happen?
	Could Little Asia be a reincarnation of Ramona?
	I don't know.
	I really don't know, but I do lean toward a pretty strong belief in reincarnation, so if she could do it, she would.
	We'll be right back.
	I must say, Maurice, that a very great deal of what you've said so far resonates with me.
	I tend to believe in reincarnation.
	It makes sense.
	To me, there are a few problems with it.
	Most of the guests that I've interviewed, and I've interviewed people who look at past lives, Maurice, and most of them certainly believe in reincarnation.
	In fact, many of them, I believe, can actually prove it.
	There's very little information about people who have reincarnated cross-species.
	Most of the people you talk to who do regressions find that people have reincarnated as human beings almost always.
	Not exclusively, but almost always.
	How do you react to that?
	It's a very wide and interesting area, and quite a beautiful area to investigate.
	I have no problems with reincarnation whatsoever.
	Indeed, the only thing more extraordinary than being born twice is being born once in the first time.
	Now, nature, as the ancient Red Indians tried to teach us, and of course the Mayas and all the other ancient civilizations, exists to teach us about reincarnation and all of the other laws of the universe.
	For example, I can look out of my window in the Irish countryside and see one female calf Jumping onto the back of another female calf trying to have sex.
	Now what the Mayas tell us is that there are many mechanisms to reincarnation.
	One of them, which we're told about in Tutankhamen's tomb, for example, is the inverse transmigration principle.
	And what that means is that men come back as women, women come back as men, fat people come back as thin people, and so on.
	And cows come back as bulls, and bulls come back as cows.
	So why would a baby female cow try to jump on the back of another cow because in its last life it was a male bull?
	Now when we start to, you know, investigate all of these things we don't understand about life, for example, how does a bird acquire the knowledge to build a bird's nest?
	Well of course it's because it was a bird in its last life.
	Now, unfortunately and regrettably, when we're young and when we're at school, our teachers give us words for things we don't understand.
	For example, why does a bird build a nest?
	And they say, well, it's instinct.
	Now go away!
	And so when somebody comes up to the child and says, why does a bird build its nest?
	In a round or circular way, or how does it build it?
	They reply, it's instinct.
	And they believe that they understand what they're talking about, when in fact, they don't understand.
	It's just a word.
	It's like a prion, like BSE.
	Oh, it's a prion.
	Well, that's all right then.
	It's a proto-virus.
	It's AIDS.
	Oh, well, that's okay then.
	We haven't got a clue what it is.
	We haven't got a clue how to overcome it.
	But if we give it a name, it'll go away.
	And we're not fearful of it anymore.
	And we see birds, flocks of birds, all turning at the same time to the left, all turning to the right, and midges flying in a ball, a circular ball, like a soul, like a bundle of energy.
	And we don't stop to think, why should these insects and animals be behaving this way?
	what we're told in the Peruvian treasures is that there's also a principle of soul shatter,
	whereby we can envision the soul like a car windscreen, like a hundred volts, one windscreen,
	but if we throw a brick through the windscreen, it becomes one hundred pieces of glass, which
	are one volt each. In other words, the soul shatters like a nervous breakdown, we have
	a spiritual breakdown in the spiritual world, and those hundred tiny souls will come back
	as a flock of birds, or a shoal of fish, or a load of midges.
	They come back as a collective life source.
	Do you think, Maurice, that more times than not, we reincarnate within the same species, that that is the norm, and that cross-species is rare?
	I don't think it's rare at all.
	No, it doesn't make scientific sense to be rare, because then we're being selective.
	I ask questions like, why is somebody vegetarian?
	Were they a cow in a previous life?
	We've got to start asking the right questions.
	And this is the problem with not asking the right questions.
	Maybe.
	Alright, do you think then that the human population of those who prefer the same sex is as a result of reincarnation?
	Absolutely.
	No question about it.
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	All right.
	You know, people used to say, well, you know, homosexuality is not natural because animals don't do it, but they're wrong.
	Animals do.
	Oh, animals do.
	Of course they do.
	Yeah, they do.
	Yeah.
	I think if you imagine something like Star Trek, where we're beamed from one place to another, it seems that the beaming process is not 100%.
	Something's missing.
	Some sort of the software is missing.
	Okay.
	Alright, you've explained, I guess, in a sense, why we live, and perhaps live and live again.
	You obviously don't believe there is a hell, a biblical kind of hell, fire and brimstone, that sort of thing.
	Hell to you is simply coming back to the physical earth, or remaining on the physical earth.
	That's what the ancient civilizations tell us.
	If we decode the Maya treasures, which I have done in all of my books, The super-gods of Tutankhamun, prophecies of the Lost Tomb of Viracocha, the Terracotta Warriors, Jesus, King Arthur, and the Journey of the Grail.
	What we see is that the Mayas tell us that there is a place called Purgatory, an intermediate, stopping-off place, where the heart is purged of sin.
	And they tell us this using encoded pictures.
	So what we have, we have the God World, we have the Soul World, where souls go to be Sifted, if you like, into different lines whereby they either go to the God World or they come back to Earth or they stay in the place of purgatory for 3,000 years for the soul to purge itself of the impurity before it goes on to the God World.
	So, again, all of these mechanisms are conveyed by the ancient civilizations who set them down for us to learn from Because we are them, don't forget.
	We keep coming back, as they kept coming back.
	And the interesting thing is that when you have children, you will come back to the same DNA.
	And this is why the Egyptians, the kings, the pharaohs, married their sisters.
	And this is why the Incas married their sisters.
	So that if they didn't make it to heaven, they knew they'd come back to the same DNA, the pure DNA of royalty, and so at least they'd be a member of the royal family next time, more likely to acquire the secret knowledge to get them to heaven, which would give them a better chance of getting to heaven next time.
	So, this is one of the reasons why priests have to be celibate, because if you've got no children, you can't come back to the DNA.
	That's one of the reasons.
	I mean, there are several reasons why we have to be celibate.
	But that's one of them.
	So, that's interesting.
	If you have a child, you can come back as your child's child.
	You can come back as your own grandchild.
	It doesn't stop that.
	And in fact, if you look at the Mayan gods, Coatlicue, the mother of the gods, came back as her grandmother's... as the mother of her own grandmother.
	In other words, there is no ordering.
	There is no time in the spirit world for souls.
	There is only time in the physical world.
	As we mentioned earlier, right at the beginning of the show, before the universe began, there was light, but no time.
	It's only when we got the physical universe that time began.
	And so, when a soul comes into this world, it comes into the timely world, which is ordered.
	But there's nothing to stop the soul from a dying man returning to the soul of a newborn baby.
	In fact, I have actually witnessed the soul of a 69-year-old woman Uh, transmigrate to the soul of a brand new born baby.
	Now wait, stop right there and explain to me, when you say you witnessed that happening, how did, what did you see that led you to believe that that was occurring?
	It was a long story, Art.
	It's a long story and we have to put the evidence together because I wasn't sure of it until I digested all the evidence.
	But my wife and I, about six years ago, had to go to a funeral and it was a long way from home and As we left home we decided to press the button on the mileage indicator to give us some sort of indication of when we might be getting home that evening or that night.
	It was a long journey and I was mindful that I was doing something which wasn't really very smart because I was driving across a bridge at five o'clock in the morning as we started the journey in ice and snow and I had to put my arm through the steering wheel to reset the mileage counter and it suddenly occurred to me that if I skated or made a mistake at this moment i'd go flying off
	the bridge i wasn't being very clever
	in in every event we got to the other side of the bridge and we were quite
	safe nothing happened but it reminded me of the moment i press that button
	i'm not going to go into the entire events of that day because
	that the relatives who are involved in it don't believe in what
	you and i are discussing right now and i owe it to them because it's it's a personal family
	thing but when we uh... arrived several strange things happened
	like six coincidences
	And also, one of the relatives in question had just come from the hospital after giving birth to a baby.
	And the baby was in a carry cot next to the coffin on the other side of the wall, about 12 inches away.
	And the expressions on the faces of the dead woman and the baby were identical.
	And I couldn't figure this out.
	And during the day, all sorts of strange things were happening.
	And when we got back to where we'd started, when we got back home that night, I looked at the mileage indicator as we crossed the bridge, halfway across the bridge, which was almost next door to where we lived.
	And the mileage was 666 miles.
	Now, of course, my wife was quite upset at this.
	She said, oh, you know, maybe something bad's going to happen.
	And I said, no, whatever happened, Happened on the other side of the bridge.
	It happened on today's journey.
	It's got nothing to do with going home.
	And once I went to bed, and I tossed and turned all night, I put all of the information together, and there was no doubt what had happened.
	That the soul had gone from the dying lady into the small baby.
	No doubt whatsoever.
	And I woke up about four o'clock in the morning, and I said to my wife, look, look at the information.
	This happened, that happened, this happened, that happened, this happened, that happened.
	Can't you see what's happened?
	Well, I think a lot that happened that you didn't explain to me because, you know, it's kind of circumstantial from what you told me, uh, Maurice.
	Uh, you know, I'm kind of a guy who's, if you make a statement like, there is no question what happened, that's all went from person A to baby B, okay, but there's got to be more to it than the expression on the faces.
	There is now much more to it than that.
	For example, for many years, and for many thousands of years, people have questioned, when does the soul attach to the body, and when does the soul actually leave the body?
	And does the body die and then release the soul, or does the soul leave the body, causing death in the body?
	Now, these are interesting questions, and... Well, let's start with, when does the soul enter the body?
	When the voltage is high enough to attract a piece of God.
	In other words, the biological systems will develop to a point whereby there is sufficient voltage developed in the body to rip a piece away from God.
	Does that happen normally, prior to birth, or does that occur after birth?
	Certainly before.
	Absolutely before.
	If it happens after, you've got a problem.
	You've got a few problems.
	And what happens is, if you've got a pregnant female who stands next to a dying person or a person whose body is sick, whose voltage is decaying, is going from 10 volts as a healthy body, for example, and the sickness has caused a degeneration in the physical voltage, then the body's voltage will drop, say, from 10 volts to 9 volts to 8 volts to 7 volts and become very weak.
	Now, if a pregnant woman stands next to that body, the fetus is going to download some of that voltage, because the body will be looking for another soul.
	Now, as an engineer, I was interested to find out, does it download in one go, or does it download in two goes, or three occasions?
	Does it download all in, you know, all at once?
	And what I learned from my experience of the reincarnation of the pregnant woman standing next to the dying woman, Is that the soul downloaded to the newborn baby on three occasions before the baby was born.
	In other words, three days before the baby was born, the soul acquired one-third of the voltage and the patient noticeably declined in health.
	On the second day when the pregnant woman stood next to the dying woman, the baby grabbed another third of the soul voltage and the patient declined another 30% again.
	And on the third day, the patient declined and died.
	And what that meant was that there was no soul left in the body.
	It was almost transferred to the baby, but not quite, because when the body was in the coffin, it was still downloading into that baby, because I could see it.
	Only when I went away and thought about it... Wait a minute, wait a minute.
	You said you could see it.
	And again, you refer to the expression on the faces, or something beyond that, Maurice?
	Something beyond that.
	When I was standing at the coffin, looking at the body, Something was going through my mind over and over and over again and I couldn't stop it.
	It was like I had no control over it.
	And it was these few words, it's only a body.
	It's only a body.
	It's only a body.
	And it wasn't coming from me.
	And I thought, why, later on, when I was trying to put this evidence together, why am I thinking it's only a body?
	And of course the answer is, it's not the soul.
	Where was the soul?
	It made me raise the question, well, where is the soul?
	And once I'd raised the question, where is the soul?
	Then, together with lots of other pieces of the puzzle that came together that day, and I put them all together, it had to be a transfer of energy from one person to another.
	Now, of course, the person in question who died had a particular career, and it would be interesting to see if this new baby has the same career.
	Yes, it'll be interesting, indeed.
	All right, you've explained why we live, you believe in reincarnation, I kind of join you in that.
	Why do we die, Maurice?
	Well, we die because the body becomes sick and is no longer able to retain the soul voltage.
	No, I guess what I meant by that is, why did the original design include physical death?
	Because, if you didn't, what happens is with reincarnation, the first will be last and the last will be first.
	So rich people come back as poor people and poor people come back as rich people.
	And this is the way it works.
	Now, it's the only way to purify the soul.
	Jesus says, when a rich man gives away all of his treasures, he'll go to heaven.
	It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
	We're told this, and that's because When we're born, if you like, a rich man, then we have servants and we kick the servants and tell them to clean the floor better and so on.
	And so our soul voltage goes down.
	The servant, on the other hand, questions what's going on.
	The servant says, why are you kicking me?
	What have I done wrong?
	Why are you making me suffer?
	The voltage of the servant starts to go up.
	So it's like being in an elevator in a tall building from lifetime to lifetime.
	We start on the first floor.
	We go up to the 10th floor as a rich person.
	Then we go down to the second floor as a poor person.
	Then we go up to the 15th floor as a rich person.
	Then we go down to the third floor as a poor person.
	But we can't get to the roof.
	We can't get to where the helicopter is to take us to heaven.
	We can't get to that 1,000 volts until we give all of our money away and get to heaven.
	Now, if we didn't die, this wouldn't happen.
	If we didn't die, the wrong people would be going to heaven, and God wouldn't grow.
	The idea is that God grows through the acquisition of purified energy, which comes from people who have suffered on Earth.
	Boy, you've given me a lot to think about.
	Maurice, hold tight, we're at a break point.
	He really has given us a lot to think about, and there's so much more ahead.
	From the high deserts, the Great American Southwest, I'm Art Bell.
	There really are countries where they turn back time.
	Good morning, everybody.
	Maurice Cutterill is here.
	He's here from all the way from Ireland, by the way, and a lot of what he's saying really does resonate and make sense to me.
	The voltages that he talks about, whether they're literal Or they're metaphoric.
	Either way, I kind of buy into it.
	Why we live, why we die, why we were designed to die, and a whole lot more, coming up in a moment.
	Once again, Maurice Cutterill all the way from Ireland.
	Maurice, there are some people objecting to the absolute assurance of your presentation.
	In other words, without Any hard scientific evidence, which of course I realize we're not going to manage to get, you do seem awfully sure of yourself.
	And I want to add that what you're saying makes sense to me.
	It's just that, how do you prove it?
	Well, the scientific evidence is there in a way, Art.
	If you look at my books, for example, as I mentioned earlier, the Super Gods, or the Tutankhamun prophecies, or the Lost Tomb of Viracocha, or the Terracotta Warriors, or That Jesus, King Arthur and the Journey of the Grail, you will see that the ancient civilizations encoded all of this knowledge using pictures.
	And when we decode these pictures, you can see for yourself that these people were geniuses, far, far cleverer than we are today.
	Now, have a look at the pictures.
	Have a look at the pictures on my website.
	And you'll see for yourself that these people were geniuses.
	But if they're that smart, if they really knew the truth then, then what about the process, what happened to the process of evolution?
	In other words, you're in essence saying we've become spiritually dumber through all this evolution.
	We don't become spiritually dumber.
	Some people have a lower voltage and have more lifetimes than others.
	Some people are able to increase their voltage and escape from this prison camp earlier.
	It's as simple as that.
	Well, now, wait a minute.
	If you... Oh, I see.
	You mean permanently escape.
	I was going to say, if your voltage lowers, you're basically sick or dead.
	You're never dead.
	if your voltage lowers it will read the soul will find another collection of
	living cells to attach to but a collection of cells lower voltage than
	the previous one. Okay, all right. And another one of these indicators is
	astrology.
	When God decided to make the world, he decided to make us all different star signs so that we argued all of the time.
	And that's because he wanted the universe, or the physical world, to continue indefinitely so that he would grow indefinitely.
	And the problem is, if we were all the same star sign, we would all agree with each other, we would all get on with each other, And sooner or later one person would wake up in the morning and say, well, I'm going to commit suicide.
	Isn't that a good idea?
	And the entire population would commit suicide because everybody agreed.
	But because we have astrology, because we have a sun with four different magnetic fields, And because our sun creates four different types of personality, which causes twelve types of genetic mutations in early impregnated ovum in the womb, we have twelve different types of personality which argue all the time, and God will, you know, this hell we find ourselves will continue forever.
	Maurice, you have described God as love and energy.
	Is there, would you describe God as an entity?
	God is electromagnetic energy.
	When I plug my computer into the wall, into electromagnetic energy, my computer comes alive.
	Electrical voltages cause currents to flow.
	My computer is capable of performing miracles.
	I can see pictures of elephants and crocodiles.
	I can do calculations.
	I can compile drawings.
	I can... No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, It is alive.
	Just hang on a second, let me finish.
	When I unplug my computer, it goes dead.
	It's dead.
	There's no life in it because there's no God in it.
	Now when I'm born, God comes into my body.
	God sends electrical signals through my arms and legs.
	He moves my legs up and down just as a puppeteer moves a puppet.
	He sends signals to my brain.
	God comes into my body when I'm alive through my eyes.
	God is light.
	Every eye is a different color.
	Every eye is tuned to a different frequency.
	Some people are tuned to the God frequency.
	People who are tuned to the God frequency receive light from God.
	The light is converted to electrical signals by the eyes.
	It travels to the brain.
	The pineal gland is affected.
	The pineal gland produces hormones.
	The hormones enable the voltages of the brain to develop and get better ideas.
	There is no such thing as an intelligent person.
	Some people receive ideas from God.
	Other peoples don't have any ideas at all because they're not receiving the God signal.
	It's not just a case of coming back at a certain voltage.
	It's also coming back at a certain voltage and also being in real time with the transmissions which are coming towards us.
	Well, I still object to the analogy of your computer.
	No, no, no.
	I mean, you can turn it on and you can turn it off, but at no point is it alive.
	Well, one day we'll be able to turn our bodies on and off.
	We just don't have the technology right now.
	But we're getting there.
	That may be.
	That may be.
	But again, I object to the analogy.
	It's not a simple semantic argument.
	It's a... I think it is.
	God is life and we shouldn't argue with that.
	It's not for us to argue with it.
	No, but I can argue with you about the analogy of a computer and a human being being the same thing.
	We're not.
	We are a computer.
	A computer has a camera.
	It's a video camera.
	We have eyes.
	A computer has a central processing unit.
	We have a brain.
	A computer can't feel yet, but maybe one day it will and react to certain inputs.
	Nor can it reason, nor is it self-aware.
	These are big differences.
	But we are computers and we are self-aware.
	We're living proof that computers can be self-aware.
	That's the point I'm making.
	There may be a day when computers become self-aware.
	That day is not yet.
	But we are living computers.
	We are biological computers.
	I can live with that.
	We are living computers and certainly there are many commonalities between what our brains do and what computers do.
	But computers are not yet something that we can call alive.
	I beg to differ, Art.
	You know, having studied this information That's how I see it.
	You know, God is the life-giving force.
	God is light.
	God is energy.
	God is electromagnetic energy.
	And I don't believe there's a physical difference in the energy that comes into the computer from the socket.
	It's the same voltage coming from the atoms of our body.
	It's just that we're generating it chemically like a battery might generate it, whereas the computer is being generated by a generator in a power station which might be driven by magnetic coils.
	But the end result is that there are magnetic fields and electric fields running through our body, which is causing a response.
	There are those similarities, yes.
	It's the same stuff.
	A computer doesn't have a soul.
	Exactly, because it's not a biological system.
	But you see, everything has spirit.
	And it seems to me that the spirit is the strong nuclear force which binds the protons to the center of the atom.
	And a weak nuclear force, which binds the electrons to the nucleus of the atom.
	So everything has spirit, but it's not alive, because it's not got a soul.
	And that's the difference between the computer and us.
	And this is why red Indians believe that everything had spirit.
	You know, whether it be a rock, or anything that's tangible has spirit, but not everything has a soul, which is God.
	Is there, if there is God, then is there the devil, Lucifer?
	Well, as I explained, not in the sense that you're suggesting, but we are half God and half devil.
	The body is the opposite of God.
	It's mass rather than energy.
	Then we are both God and the devil.
	We are both God and the devil.
	We're 50% of both.
	unless our energy levels get so low that our battery voltage drains away completely.
	And then I guess it's foreseeable that we become almost all devil.
	Yes, but that would imply that those who are getting a very low voltage sick, perhaps
	very, very sick, are in some way bad.
	No, no, no, no.
	That's the difference.
	You can have a decaying voltage or you could have a negative voltage.
	For example, if you get rechargeable nickel cadmium batteries, when they go dead, they actually go negative.
	and when you recharge them they become positive again.
	So it's not just a question of reaching zero volts, and it's not just that anyway,
	because the soul doesn't decay to zero volts. What happens is, when the body,
	when the body voltage falls to, for example, eight volts, it is no longer able to hold on
	to the eight volts of God. So that...
	The God voltage doesn't drop when we die.
	The body voltage disappears.
	The devil's voltage disappears and lets go of the God voltage.
	The God voltage remains the same, but it goes to another living thing.
	Okay, all of these voltages that you're quoting, they're all really metaphoric, aren't they?
	In other words, you're not speaking of literal voltages, and if you are, then... are you?
	I'm thinking of literal voltages, but they might be picovolts rather than volts.
	Very small energy levels.
	Okay.
	Okay, I can buy that.
	Certainly, we've got electromagnetic energy coursing through us, there's no question about that.
	And so, a lot of your argument does make sense.
	The way you approach it seems... what's the right word?
	You seem too sure of yourself, and if you could If you could find a way to put into words, you know, I know you quoted your five or six books or whatever it is that you've written, but if you could find a way to take that evidence that you say is contained in those books and sort of try and convince us, whether it's old pictures or whatever it is, it would help.
	The evidence is in the books for everybody to read, and you must be convinced once you read them.
	Yes, yes.
	But I'd like to be convinced as I could be here in this conversation.
	I can convince you, but it takes time, Art.
	Well, how about it?
	This is long-form talk radio.
	Do your best.
	These people are very, very clever.
	They have progressed beyond radio.
	They left everything behind in pictures, because a picture is worth a thousand words.
	Unfortunately, we're on the radio.
	I can show you 16 hours of pictures, and I'm quite sure you'd be persuaded, but all the talking in the world will not enable me As a humble human being in the 21st century, to convey the advanced knowledge that lay left behind for me to show to you.
	If you take the time to sit down and look and listen, I can get you to heaven.
	But if you haven't got the time to sit down and look and listen, then there's no more I can do.
	I can recommend the books, and if you take time to read the books, they'll be helpful and you'll gain that understanding.
	The magic of radio is that you can draw mental pictures for people.
	Not pictures like these.
	Not pictures like these.
	You see, people imagine that, oh, I know what this guy wants.
	I know what he's talking about.
	I went to the conference in Nevada two weeks ago.
	They asked me what equipment I needed.
	I said I needed an overhead projector and an overhead projector screen.
	When I got there, there was no overhead projector and no overhead projector screen.
	And they said, but what we've got is better. I said, I don't want better. I want what I need to show you these pictures.
	And this is the problem, but you can't imagine the complexity of these pictures.
	You can't imagine why I need to do the things the way I do them.
	Because I've tried thousands of times and it's the only way.
	This stuff is wonderful, it's beautiful, it's off a different planet, it's from a different dimension.
	The rules of engagement are completely different when we start looking at this stuff.
	And as I say, if you look at the pictures on the website, the decoding of these pictures, how they unfold and how they manifest themselves, I can never describe A thousand of those to you over, you know, to give you a... Nor would I expect you to.
	I don't expect you to.
	So, however, what I can do, along with the audience, is go to your website and take a look, perhaps at a couple, and you can talk to us about them.
	By all means.
	All right.
	I'm on your website.
	Where do I go?
	Okay.
	If you move down the page, you'll see a thumbnail sketch of some pictures coming together.
	Well, yes.
	And the one on the left, on the top, the uppermost one on the left, has got the face of Lord Paykal on it, eventually, as the animation overlays one transparency onto the other.
	A face of Lord Paykal, the leader of the Myers, appears on that thumbnail sketch.
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	I'm on the, uh, let's make sure I'm on the right place.
	Uh, the works of Maurice, uh, Cotterell.
	Yeah, go halfway down the page.
	Halfway down the page.
	Might take some time to load.
	Okay, now I'm there.
	And you'll see some moving animated pictures.
	Uh, yes.
	Uh, click here for synopsis, and I see some little... No, below that.
	...animated... It's below that.
	...below that.
	Okay.
	There's actually some pictures moving towards each other and overlaying themselves.
	I see.
	Okay, I'm there.
	Okay, now the one on the left is a picture of a man with something over his face.
	Should I click on this?
	Yeah, click on it to get a better view.
	If you click on that, the full file will open up.
	Alright.
	And now you'll see how these transparencies contain information, but we can only see the information when we take a photocopy of it and put the two on top of each other and rotate them.
	Got it.
	Now, the picture in this particular picture, for example, shows the head and face of Lord Paykel, the priest king leader of the Myers.
	Too many people followed me, Maurice, and your website is now stopped.
	However, this is sufficient for me to sort of grasp an understanding of what you're doing here.
	You've taken various images and superimposed one on the other.
	That's right.
	And where do these pictures originally come from?
	The one I'm looking at, for example?
	The one you're looking at now is one of many.
	This is the coffin lid from Lord Paikal, which comes from his Pyramid of Inscriptions at Palenque in Mexico.
	And the lid was discovered in 1952 by a Mexican archaeologist called Alberto Roux.
	In the 1960s, Eric von Deineken suggested it showed a man in a spaceship.
	But I said, well, hang on a minute.
	No, this is a more rational explanation.
	And I spent years working on the lid, and I decode the border code around the lid.
	And that told me how to decode and access the pictures in the center of the lid.
	And those pictures tell us why we live, why we die, and why this has to be.
	It shows us pictures of heaven and hell and purgatory.
	It tells us, the picture that you're looking at now has numbers on Lord Pekal's forehead and the numbers are 1440 and in Mayan numbers 00.
	That's 144,000.
	And in the Bible it says those with the number 144,000 on their foreheads will be the ones who go to heaven.
	Now it says that in the book of Revelation.
	So Lord Pekal is giving us the same messages that we see in Uh, the, uh, Bible in the Book of Revelation.
	But not only that, that's just the beginning.
	14.4 is the angular position between those two transparencies.
	Each transparency is rotated by 7.2 degrees.
	Only when they're rotated by 7.2 degrees, so that they're 14.4 degrees apart, do they display the number 14400.
	Now, the people who encoded this information were absolute geniuses.
	And what we see at the lower part of Lord Paykal's face is covered by what looks to be a golden mask.
	It isn't, and we don't know what that means until we go to Peru.
	When we go to Peru and look at the tombs of Viracocha, which were discovered in 1984, the same picture of Viracocha is in the tomb.
	With a small man covering his face.
	And the small man, in the picture that you're looking at, has a pure heart.
	And what that's telling us is only those with a pure heart become one of the 144,000.
	So, there's thousands of these encoded pictures.
	I've just got three or four on my website.
	Now, if you want to see them, buy the books, or go to the library and read the books.
	I'm not suggesting you buy them.
	You can get them on Amazon.com.
	They're all available from American publishers.
	Have a look at the pictures, don't take my word for it, but it's not something I can convey over the telephone.
	Okay, well listen, what was it about the Mayans that led them to such a deeper understanding than we apparently have with modern science today?
	It was what I discovered when I wrote the Mayan prophecies in 1985, was that whoever did this was a genius.
	And for a while, I thought, well, this is at odds with conventional thought, which believes that the Mayas were a primitive civilization.
	So, in order to reconcile this ambiguity or anomaly, if you like, in the information, I considered all of the possibilities of how a primitive civilization could be primitive and yet contain genius.
	And I compared this to the Israeli civilization 2,000 years ago, where it was a primitive civilization, but one of them could walk on the water, one of them could turn water into wine, one of them could heal the sick with his bare hands.
	And so I was persuaded that although there was one genius in Israel 2,000 years ago, it would be quite wrong to say all of the Israelis were geniuses.
	By the same rationale, it would be wrong to say that Mayas were geniuses.
	One man walked among the Mayas.
	That was Lord Pekao.
	Lord Pekao tells us that he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ.
	He reincarnated many times.
	He reincarnated in Peru as Viracocha in A.D.
	300, as Viracocha Pachacamac in A.D.
	350, as Lord Pekao of the Maya in A.D.
	750, and he keeps bringing this super-knowledge back to Earth.
	All right, Maurice, hold it right there.
	We're at a break point.
	We have to break from the high desert.
	I'm Art Bell.
	It is reasonable, I think, to presume that we were not the only generation who had a genius.
	It is reasonable, certainly, to presume that there was another Einstein.
	That the Mayans may have had an Einstein.
	They may have had one who figured out the basic nature of all that is, including heaven.
	Hell, God and his opposites, and the way things work.
	It is reasonable to come to that conclusion, certainly, and what I just saw on the website helps.
	In a moment, Maurice Cotterell, back again.
	Marisa, I want you to know, I'm not intentionally giving you a hard time.
	It's my responsibility as a, I guess you would understand, as a presenter, to try and dig as deeply as I can, so, you know, on behalf of the audience who's trying to understand it as I am.
	So, I'm not being mean to you, I'm just trying to get as deep as I can get on a radio program, that's all.
	That's okay, Art.
	Okay, good.
	Listen, a lot of people want to know, again, what the 144,000 number signifies.
	Well, we find it in the Book of Revelation, and there it says that when the world is destroyed, 144,000 will be saved.
	And that's in the last book of the Bible, the last couple of pages of the New Testament.
	There have been lots of ideas about 144,000.
	four thousand the easter terrorist list alex bayley
	the victorian is a terrorist in england notice that the wheels of the chakra centers
	in the body spent at different rates and that if we had a poll of the uh... number of revolutions
	of the each chakra center that goes up the spine
	that it comes to a hundred and forty four and then if we combine that with the crown chakra which
	spins at one thousand which has one thousand petals on it
	excuse me then become out within that number hundred forty four
	thousand and so what she was saying was that uh... perhaps
	we're being told that when the energy from the body of an equilibrium and
	we're a pain which only happens
	when we when we are honest and truthful and
	the pure then uh...
	the chakra centers will be in equilibrium and the soul of the in at
	uh...
	uh...
	away uh... performed in order to escape from the body and get to happen
	Another alternative theory, which I mentioned in the Tutankhamen prophecies, was of Bruce Cathy's work in New Zealand.
	And Bruce Cathy was a New Zealand airline pilot who did some work on UFOs and light and gravity.
	And he suggested that light travelled at a different speed around the globular Earth than it did in a straight line.
	And that it travelled at different speeds as it crossed over boundaries, magnetic boundaries like ley lines on the Earth.
	And he suggested that the speed of light was 144,000 minutes of arc per second.
	What that meant was that a light beam would go around the Earth 6.66 times, which is, again, the number of the Beast in Revelation.
	And it would also mean that those with 144,000 on their foreheads would be the ones radiating light, or have a halo.
	So, again, that's another possibility.
	Ancients used these numbers to convey the information to us.
	You mentioned that Lord Pakel could have been a genius, but he was much more than that.
	If we decode the pictures he left behind, for example, the picture next to the one we've just looked at on my website is a picture of the mural of Bonampak, and it's the final scene in the story of the mural from Bonampak.
	Now, Bonampak is an area in the jungle of Mexico, And in 1947, an American, Giles Healy, who was married to a Lakandon Indian, found these paintings on the wall.
	And since then, they've been painted and sketched.
	And I decoded the pictures, the meaning of them.
	And they tell us that Lord Pekau was born in a stable.
	That Lord Pekau was born through an immaculate conception.
	That Lord Pekau grew up and performed miracles.
	That Lord Pekau died on a cross made of two sticks.
	Two pieces of wood.
	And then at the end of the show, the stag, which is the eponym or the trademark of Lord Pacow, comes out and bows to two stags who applaud in the audience.
	That's the picture on the website, the final picture in the series.
	So it's not just that Lord Pacow is a genius, he tells us that in a previous life he was Jesus.
	And they use, if we look at all of the decoded information, they all use the same numbers.
	They used a number of 144,000.
	They used the number 666, the mark of the beast.
	They used the same corollaries.
	For example, Lord Paykal said he was The birth of Venus.
	In other words, Lord Paycalber's Venus.
	The morning star and the evening star.
	Of course, Venus is actually a planet, but it reflects very pure light, and it's the brightest source of light, and therefore the purest source of light in our solar system.
	So if we want to reach purity, we have to try to become like Venus.
	Love.
	And that's why Jesus is synonymous with Venus.
	But all of the ancient Civilizations, the leaders, were all associated with Venus.
	If you look at the last page of Revelation, Jesus says, on the very last page of the Bible, I am the bright and morning star.
	Now the bright star is Venus in the morning, sorry, Venus in the evening, and the morning star is Venus in the morning.
	So Lord Paikal tells us, he sets it down, there can be no mistake, he sets it down, he tells us he's not just a genius, but he was Jesus.
	And these numbers are used over and over again when we decode the ancient treasures of all of the ancient sun-worshipping civilizations, because God is the sun, God is light, and it was the sun-worshipping civilizations that realized this, and it was the sun-worshipping civilizations that had a leader who taught the super-science of the sun and the higher orders of spirituality how we get to heaven.
	So that's what the numbers are all about.
	Okay, so there'd be 144,000 that get to heaven, is that correct?
	Now that was done at a time when the earth was populated by far fewer than are here now, in terms of the number of souls.
	So the percentage that are going continues to decline as we populate.
	If we're going to take it literally, then yes.
	But if we take it as light, or the enlightened ones, those with the halo, Then it's not definitive.
	It doesn't mean a numerical value.
	It simply means those with, you know, if the chakra centers, if you look at Alice Bailey's work, once we're at peace, once we're perfect, and if we look at viracocha in Peru, viracocha means foam of the sea, and in the tombs of viracocha we see him depicted as a crab, because he's half man, because the crab lives on the land and in the water.
	It lives in the foam of the sea.
	And it's only when we're in the foam of the sea, so to speak, that we're in touch with all of the elements.
	The earth, the air, the fire, the water.
	That's when we're perfect.
	If we move away from the foam of the sea and go onto the beach, we lose contact with the water.
	So we're no longer perfect.
	If we move away from the beach into the water, we lose contact with the beach.
	So again, we're no longer perfect.
	We're only perfect in the foam of the sea.
	And this is why the Hindus believed that heaven was a milky ocean, it was the foam of the sea.
	And this is why the Hindus worship the cow as a sacred creature, because the cow gives
	milk, and they believe milk is sacred, because it's the, again, it's the eponym, it's
	the nickname, if you like, of the foam of the sea, which is perfection. And again, this
	is what they were trying to convey to us.
	All right. Can you help us at all with the mystery of the Mayan calendar?
	The Mayan calendar contains cycles. And when we look at the cycles, they stop at...
	There are higher ones, but they're not used in the inscriptions, although they are used in the codexes, the bark books.
	Now, the calendar cycles are 20-day cycles, so they didn't have 7 days for a week, they had 20, if you like.
	360-day cycles, so they didn't have a solar year, if you like, they had 360 days.
	They had cycles of 7,200 days and 144,000 days.
	So again, they stop at 144,000.
	And that tells us that they were mindful of the meaning of the number 144,000.
	Now, when we put these numbers down, they don't mean anything at all.
	The calendar cycles don't make sense.
	But if we add the religious year, the spiritual, astrological year to the cycles, they're very important indeed.
	Because if we have a sequence of 20, 360, 7,200, and 144,000, and insert 260 into that sequence, so now we have 20, 260, 360, 7,200, and 144,000.
	We have a sequence of numbers.
	What do they mean?
	I asked myself the same question.
	into that sequence. So now we have 20, 260, 360, 7,200, and 144,000. We have a sequence
	of numbers. What do they mean? I asked myself the same question. In 1994, I went to a clairvoyant
	in Plymouth, and she said, there's a man behind you, an ancient man, hundreds and hundreds
	of years old, who wants you to decode ancient manuscripts.
	He's telling me he wants you to count.
	He wants you to count, and I don't understand why.
	He's saying, you must say to yourself, 1-1-1-1-1, 2-2-2-2-2, 3-3-3-3-3.
	He's telling me he wants you to count.
	I went home.
	I put down the cycles of the Maya, which I've been trying to decode for about eight years.
	And underneath the number 20, I put 1.
	Underneath the number 260, I put 1.
	Underneath the 360, I put 1.
	Underneath the 7,200, I put 1.
	Underneath the 144,000, I put 1.
	On the next line, I put 2, 2, 2, 2, 2.
	3, 3, 3, 3, 3.
	I got to the bottom.
	I put 1. On the next line I put 22222, 33333. I got to the bottom, 99999, multiplied by
	the cycles, comes to 1366560, which was the number worshipped by the Maya as the birth
	of Venus. It means the reincarnation of Jesus.
	That's why the Maya used the calendar cycles they did.
	They were trying to tell us that Jesus was reborn as the birth of Venus.
	not only in the year 3113 BC, but 1,366,560 days later, he was reborn as Lord Pekal of the Maya.
	What importance do you attach to the end of the Mayan calendar in 2020?
	I can't find any evidence to suggest that there will be any kind of calamity.
	In the books of Chilam Balam, which was written in the 16th century, the books of the Jaguar or the books of the Sun with spots on it, it says that in the year Catan 13 Ahu, there will be no bread.
	in the year Katan 13 Ahu, there will be no bread, in other words there will be famine,
	there will be no offspring, that means there will be infertility, and the sun shall be eclipsed for
	infertility and uh... the sun shall be eclipsed for five days
	five days. And what I discovered when I investigated the uh... there will be no offspring that means there will be
	and what i discovered when i investigated the disappearance of the minor in eighty seven
	fifty was that there was no bread there was a famine
	that was infertility because the sun's radiation failed the fertility needs
	of the human population because the sun controls fertility
	the sun spins every twenty eight days and is responsible for the regulation of ostrogen and progesterone
	in females and they said
	that the uh... the the sun will be eclipsed for five days
	And what I also showed in the Mayan prophecies was that the Earth can tilt off its axis when the Sun's magnetic reversal changes direction.
	And that's not the polar caps of the Sun, which change every 22 years.
	It's the neutral sheet of the Sun, which I'm talking about, which changes every 3,740 years.
	Are we at a critical juncture right now?
	Are we at a critical juncture right now?
	I ask that, Maurice, because our scientists are forecasting this incredible solar cycle
	that we're just about to enter.
	As a matter of fact, there are some scientists who believe they've already seen a polarity shift.
	Now, that's not confirmed yet, but we're either at or just about to enter yet another polarity shift, and they are predicting some amazing things in the next 11 years.
	Certainly.
	2012 will be I refer to it as the year of the dragon in the Chinese
	calendar, which is always a tempestuous year.
	But it will be the date in the Khatun 13 Ahu, which is spoken about in the books of Chah
	and Balam.
	Now, all I can say is that I have found no magnetic cycles that terminate at that date.
	But what I've said on previous occasions is that the Mayas could have been aware of a
	process whereby the magnetic field did in fact change in AD 750, which resulted in more
	infertility on earth which causes the decline of the Maya.
	And it could now be that the magnetic field of the Earth and the Sun are not pointing in the same direction.
	It could be that the core of the Earth is developing eddy currents and heating up from the inside, causing more volcanic activity.
	And perhaps they had calculated that it would take 1,250 days for this magnetic misalignment to reach a critical level to cause some kind of volcanic activity or whatever.
	But that would not occur until the year 2012.
	Now, that's conjecture, and it's all I can imagine, because the last magnetic reversal, or shift, occurred in AD 750, 1,250 years ago.
	So, my investigations have not found anything conclusive about the year 2012.
	What actually happened, looking back, was, when I wrote The Mayan Prophecies in 1995, the publishers tried to steal the book off me and give it to somebody else.
	Because of that, the book finished up like a dog's dinner.
	They tried to say that I had found a magnetic correlation between destruction of the Earth and 2012.
	In fact, what I discovered was a magnetic correlation between the decline of the Maya in AD 750 and magnetic cycles, which was not the same thing.
	Do you have enough understanding of the numerical significance of the Maya calendar to actually continue it?
	To continue it beyond 2012.
	That's right.
	Clearly, solar cycles, if it's cyclic, as we're led to believe, then the cycles will continue.
	And it raises the question of why is that particular cycle of importance to the Maya?
	And as I mentioned earlier, they don't say the world's going to end, but they do say... Or even was it of particular significance to them?
	Or did they just...
	Do what they did with the calendar to go out so far and just showing us how it was done.
	Now if you've decoded enough of it you could probably continue it.
	I did.
	I mean I've got magnetic cycles not just 22 years but 187 years.
	3,740 years, 18,169 years.
	These cycles go on and on for millions of years, and they're well-defined in the codices.
	But in the codices, the Baye-Barthes book, in the Dresden Codex, for example, they take observations of the planet Venus.
	They were obsessed with Venus, but not because... I don't think... It could be because Venus topples on its axis.
	It's an indicator of magnetic reversal.
	In other words, in the year 3113 BC, the Sun's magnetic field reversed, Venus turned upside down on its axis.
	That's why Venus now rotates backwards slowly.
	It's slowing down now.
	One day it will start spinning in the opposite direction, but it takes thousands or perhaps millions of years.
	So they knew that the sun's magnetic field could be seen to change if they could see Venus topple on its axis.
	So we've got that part of Venus.
	But they also used Venus, the spiritual message, which was Jesus is Venus and Jesus will come back every few thousand years.
	Jesus came for the Mayans, for the Peruvians, for the Chinese.
	Maybe they're saying Jesus will come again in 2012.
	But there's no evidence for that just yet.
	No, there isn't.
	But that could be it.
	That could be it.
	Because the Mayabart books, the Dresden Codex, talks about this magic figure 1366560, which is 1,366,560 days.
	And that is very close to the sunspot cycle number.
	which is 1,366,560 days, and that is very close to the sunspot cycle number.
	It's only 500 days different to the sunspot cycle I can calculate on a computer in 1989.
	So they're saying, look, when you get to a stage of your intellectual development in the 1990s,
	when computers become available, you'll be able to decode this stuff.
	You'll be able to decode the pictures once you get color photocopies in transparencies.
	That's when you'll be in a position to understand what we've been trying to tell you.
	And, you know, all of this stuff was encoded thousands of years ago.
	But they knew, they made sure we couldn't decode it until we were in a position to make deductions from it.
	And that's why we couldn't see the lines of NAFTA.
	Well, if I've been listening carefully to everything you've been saying, Maurice, then 2012 is surely not the end of everything.
	In other words, the whole foundation of everything you've said tonight is that it will go on and on and on.
	I believe so.
	But don't forget, this new discovery in gravity, which is only four weeks old, i'd like to mention to listeners if they'd like a dvd there
	is one for sale from the ufo congress
	at msn dot com that's having the one out to be given gravity which is very
	simple don't let up what you are fighting it's complex could you
	cannot justify skill stuff
	now what this shows is that gravity is called by radiating electromagnetic
	energy and uh...
	uh... in other words we are all vibrating a particular frequency the
	gravitational frequency What it shows is that God is gravity.
	God is holding the universe together.
	And what this means is if the sun's vibration changes in 2012, then the gravitational frequency could well change in 2012.
	Now, this is not a new idea.
	I know other researchers have put this forward, but they've never put forward a mechanism to accommodate it.
	What I'm saying is now, with this new discovery on gravity, how gravity works, and it's very, very simple, that it opens up a whole new branch of science.
	All right, Maurice, you've got to hold it right there.
	We're at a break point.
	I've got to go.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Good morning, everybody.
	Maurice Cotterell is our guest all the way from Ireland.
	I have only a couple of more questions for him, and then he's all yours.
	Maurice, welcome back.
	Just a couple of questions and I'd like to turn it over to the audience.
	And they are, you say you have located the Holy Grail, is that correct?
	That's correct, Art.
	Where is it?
	It's in the National Museum of Ireland in Dublin.
	Is it now?
	It is.
	That's quite a statement to make.
	How do you know it's there?
	And if you really know it's there, can we get to it?
	You can get to it, it's on view, it's on display.
	The reason I know it's there is because I came to Ireland a few years ago to start working on the Holy Grail.
	I suspected that the particular cup in question in the museum was the one used by Christ and his disciples.
	I then had to do quite a lot of research over the following years and get all the evidence together.
	And last Easter I published Jesus, King Arthur and the Journey of the Grail.
	That's the title in America, and it was called the Celtic Chronicles in England.
	And the reason I'm so sure that it's the Holy Grail is because of all of the information it contains.
	It contains the same information as Lord Pacal's tomb.
	It contains the same information as Viracocha's tomb.
	And I know that they were reincarnations of Jesus.
	So, once I start to put all of the evidence together and compare the pedigree of the chalice, it became very easy to see why it had been overlooked for so many years.
	For example, the Orthodox archaeological view is that the Ardagh Chalice, that's what it's called, Ardagh, that's A-R-D-A-G-H, That's a Celtic word which means high ground, because when it was found in 1868 in Ireland, it was found on some high ground where some nuns had planted potatoes.
	It's as simple as that.
	But the Ardagh Chalice is exactly the same as it is shown in pictures of the Holy Grail.
	from the Arthurian legends.
	There are pictures from France which show a particular cup being worshipped by King Arthur and his nine knights of the Round Table.
	There are pictures from England, the Pre-Raphaelite paintings, that show that the knights of the Round Table found the Holy Grail.
	When we put all of the information together, we reached the conclusion that the Arda Chalice Although archaeologists at first believed it to originate in 698 AD, that's about 1,300 years ago, during Celtic times, it does in fact originate from much earlier, and was made by Jesus.
	Just as he left his information behind in Mexico and Peru and China, he also left it behind in his Holy Grail, and it would have been odd not to do so.
	If he left it behind on every previous occasion, As the super science of the sun and the higher orders of spirituality.
	It would have been odd for Jesus not to do that because he would have been the odd one out in all of his incarnations.
	And when we look at the incarnations of Jesus and we're told from all of these decoded artifacts that he appeared as Krishna in 2700 BC.
	Krishna or the Christos, the anointed one, the Christ in India.
	He then appeared as Tutankhamen in 1353 BC.
	That was as the son of God, Tutankhamen, the son of God, or the living image of God.
	The child is always the living image of the father who produced it.
	He then reincarnated, we know, as Buddha, because the Hindu believe that Krishna reincarnated as Buddha about 500 BC, and that he was the reincarnation of Vishnu.
	He was one of the Indian Godhead, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
	He then reincarnated as Qin Shi Huang Di, which is the first Emperor of Unified China.
	Qin Shi Huang Di means the Son of Heaven.
	Again, Jesus reincarnated.
	Jesus then came back in the year zero, in our calendar, and he left all of this information encoded into his Holy Grail.
	And the Holy Grail, the Arda Chalice, which I'm referring to, actually radiates light from a quartz crystal in the base
	of the cup.
	It's actually got two dragons carved onto it, the same two dragons
	that are carved onto Lord Pakel's stone, the amazing lid of Palenque,
	which is on my website with all these decoded pictures.
	It's got the name of the twelve disciples carved around them,
	but it doesn't have the name of Judas, of course.
	And when we start to look at all of the information, we begin to see that the monks, the medieval monks who established the monasteries at Lindisfarne and Iona in Scotland, the Irish monks that fled from Scotland earlier, they knew it was the Holy Grail because King Arthur passed it on to the monks. We know that because of another Celtic artifact
	called the Tara brooch, which is a beautiful gold Celtic brooch, 12 inches
	long. And when we decode the information in the brooch, it tells us to remove the
	pin of the brooch from the stone.
	When we move the pin of the brooch backwards from the stone, we can measure the angle between the stone and stops.
	In other words, the travel of the pin.
	The pin can only travel for 144 degrees.
	So when we pull the sword from the stone, we become one of the 144,000.
	And this is exactly what happened with King Arthur.
	King Arthur found the Tara brooch and the Ardar chalice together.
	He decoded the meaning of the tarabrooch and became one of the 144,000.
	The king that is and the king that was, he would be a king again in heaven.
	That's what they were trying to tell us.
	He then engraved information onto the Holy Grail.
	At that time, there was no names of the Apostles, and he got it wrong.
	He put 11 Apostles down, and he put St.
	Paul down, because Arthur was born in Roman Britain, and he thought St.
	Paul, who performed miracles throughout the Mediterranean following the death of Christ, he thought that Paul must have been the 12th Apostle once Judas was fired, if you like.
	And of course, The 7th century monks would never have made that mistake because they subscribed to the Latin Vulgate and they knew of the Book of Acts.
	And the Book of Acts of the Apostles tells us that the 12th disciple was Matthias, not Saint Paul.
	Okay, well, Maurice, all of these incarnations that you spoke of are fascinating, essentially delivering what you would expect to be a similar message for what are now all of these different religions, and indeed, there are many, many similarities in all the different religions, major religions of the world, and that would explain them, but there are also major differences, aren't there?
	Do you give me one?
	You mean differences?
	Yes.
	Surely you can define some differences, for example, in the Koran and the Bible.
	The Koran is the odd one out.
	My super gods, as I call them, the reincarnations of Jesus, does not include Muhammad.
	He's the odd one out.
	He was born to the Koresh family in 470 A.D.
	He had over a hundred wives and four hundred children.
	He killed thousands of people.
	He was more like John from the Book of Revelation.
	He had a vision, which he wrote down as the Koran.
	He's not a super-god.
	He's not the reincarnation of Jesus.
	But if we look at all of the other religious leaders, they all share exactly the same things in common.
	They were all born through an immaculate conception.
	When they were born, a bright star was seen in the sky.
	They performed miracles when they lived.
	They were all associated with Venus when they died.
	If you look at Tutankhamun, the paintings in his tomb see him as two twins, as a pair of twins embracing Osiris.
	He was the twins.
	He was the bright and morning star.
	If you look at Qin Shi Huangdi of China, his motif was the dragon, or two dragons.
	And the dragon was part snake, part bird, part stag.
	And the god for the Celts was Cernunnos, which was the stag.
	We noticed earlier in the Bonampak pictures from the Maya, the stag bowing at the end of the show to the other two stags in the audience.
	The stag was the eponym of Christ.
	So all of the other religions share everything in common.
	There are no exceptions.
	Which tells us that Jesus came back over and over and over again throughout history to teach us the secret science of the sun and the higher orders of personality.
	But we can't compare the Quran because Muhammad was not a super god.
	He was not one of these super spiritual teachers.
	He was a human being like Saint John who had a vision and he wrote his vision down.
	Alright, well that'll put you on a list.
	Listen, you tell us that you can instruct us how to get to heaven and how to survive this life.
	In the interest of time, we're going to have to keep it fairly short because I've got to get to the phones, but I do want to hear about that.
	That's okay.
	Love your neighbor.
	Love your neighbor?
	Love your neighbor.
	If you love your neighbor as yourself, your voltage will go up and you'll go to heaven.
	Alright.
	People do say to me, but it's easier said than done, how can we love our neighbour?
	They're awful!
	After all, they're all half devils!
	So how can we love them?
	One of the problems of the world is hate, so we have to get rid of hate.
	To get rid of hate, we have to get rid of dislike.
	To get rid of dislike, we have to get rid of like.
	And this is the underlying problem to human existence.
	People like things and dislike things, and there's nothing in the Bible to say we've got to like or dislike.
	The Bible says we've got to love our neighbour.
	Now, for example, I don't eat red peppers.
	It doesn't mean I dislike them.
	I don't eat them because they give me stomachache, so I avoid them.
	Now, it's not for me to dislike red peppers.
	God, it was cleverer than I am.
	If he made red peppers, he made them for a reason.
	For me to suggest that he's a complete idiot because he made red peppers would be quite wrong.
	It would be wrong of me to do so.
	I accept that he made red peppers and other people get utility from them.
	Other people derive benefit.
	I'm not a Maurice idiot.
	It could send your voltage up.
	Let's go to the phones.
	Michael in Cleveland, Ohio.
	You're on with Maurice Cotterell.
	I got two questions for Maurice.
	What's the difference between Okay, they're quite involved questions.
	a dead person have a dead voltage and what's the difference between a modern calendar and
	a regular calendar?
	Okay, they're quite involved questions.
	A dead person doesn't have any voltage because the organic voltage stops as soon as the heart
	stops pumping blood around the body and the nervous system collapses because there's no
	voltage to feed it.
	So a dead person has no bodily voltage.
	As soon as that bodily voltage stops, the soul is released from the body.
	It evacuates the body.
	So dead people don't have voltage.
	It's as simple as that.
	In regard to the Mayan calendar and our conventional calendar, our conventional calendar really is, for astronomical purposes, to measure the length of time.
	The Mayan calendar was specifically to convey information, information which explains how the sun affects life on earth and how the soul can get to heaven.
	And it's only when we start to investigate the Mayan calendar with our knowledge, the knowledge of the day, and don't forget this stuff's been encoded for 1,250 years, we have to wait for our technology to arrive before we can understand it, then We can understand why it was so important for the Mayas to leave this down in a higher scientific form.
	In other words, they knew that once we were in a position to understand the Sun, sunspot cycles, magnetic cycles, that's when we would be intellectually developed enough to understand the spiritual side of life.
	We're very close to that now, right?
	we're getting close to it and every advance and we can't dismiss these advances are this is a secret
	uh... i don't want to go on and on about it but by i cracked gravity two weeks
	ago in the last two weeks this is what six more discoveries
	listen to the six scientific papers i've written two weeks anti-gravity
	the cause of molecular accretion phaser disintegration of matter the reason why iron is
	magnetic the reason why the earth's core is hot how the earth's magnetic field
	is generated all of these discoveries have come from that
	gravity discovery
	Now if we are to explain what is going to happen in 2012, we need to take regard to these new discoveries because clearly Up to now we've been missing some information.
	Perhaps now we're on to the next level of technological understanding with gravity.
	We can now move forward and explain what's going to happen in 2012.
	All right.
	Mike in Willow, Alaska, I think you're on with Maurice.
	Oh, yeah.
	Wanted to know what his take was in 2012 when our solar system passes through the galactic plane.
	And how long will it take us to go through that plane, and will the effects, the opposite coming out of it as going in, and will it give us a reversal of our polar?
	OK, Michael, the thing is with this one is I'm familiar with the work you're referring to and I don't put much credence to it because to me it doesn't signify a cycle.
	A cycle has a beginning, a middle and an end.
	It also has a causal relationship with a phenomena that manifests.
	In other words, we have a cycle around the sun.
	And we have the seasons which show that the cycle actually is changing something on Earth, the amount of daylight that reaches the Earth.
	I'm not persuaded that by looking at how the Sun and the Solar System pass through an arbitrary point in the sky tells us anything.
	So it's not an area I would be drawn into.
	Okay.
	Mike in Ohio, you're on with Maurice Cotterell.
	Good evening, Art and Maurice.
	Good evening, Mike.
	This will take like 60 seconds.
	There was an enlightened master named Barry Long.
	He said that quieting our mind by stopping thinking aligns one with God's energy and by giving up all considerations by not thinking about them is the mechanism that liberates us from reincarnation.
	He said that when we're dying the pressure is so immense to miss something on earth and with one thought we wind up ignorant in a baby's body.
	He said silence is the rocket fuel To get us past Earth's gravitational pull.
	Now, the followers of Barry never knew if that was a metaphor or not.
	So now, Art Maurice, we've heard that the aliens supposedly have quarantined us to low Earth orbit, and it was a miracle that the Apollo 13 mission made it back to Earth.
	So, the question is, would there be an effect in the universe or the psyche if a human being died?
	Outside of Earth's gravitational field.
	Oh, that's a very interesting question.
	Maurice?
	Absolutely.
	And of course, we've only seen one small part of the iceberg in this discussion this evening.
	The Egyptians believed that once the soul escapes from the body, we can become a star.
	And of course, that star would have its own solar system and its own planet.
	And eventually those planets would create life, and the life would evolve into intelligent beings, and that sun would grow.
	So we have to get on to the next level of thinking.
	Can we become a star?
	And what happens if we die outside?
	What happens if we die inside a tin can, if we're in an aircraft?
	Can the soul escape, or will it get short-circuited to Earth?
	I mean, these are practical questions which do need addressing.
	I'm not so sure we've got the answer just yet, because of course we can't go to another planet just yet.
	Because the problem is, our Sun has four magnetic fields, as I mentioned earlier.
	Those four magnetic fields make us argue all the time.
	And because we argue all the time, we don't allow ourselves to become extinct through suicide.
	If we went to another solar system, or a long way from Earth, we wouldn't have the Sun's radiation giving us the same genetic mutations that would give us the same 12 star signs, Which would mean that although we might go to another planet, we would eventually all destroy ourselves because we would all be the same star sign and we would all agree with each other.
	So there are many considerations to this of how do we die and what's going on.
	I was doing some experiments with bees a few years ago, about 1999.
	trying to figure out why the worker bee could turn into a queen bee.
	And the only difference is that when you pull a worker bee out,
	it's turned at 90 degrees and hangs towards the ground.
	So it's getting mutated by a different type of radiation.
	In other words, the queen is being radiated by magnetic radiation,
	whereas the worker bee is being mutated by electric radiation, and so on.
	And this is what's causing the mutations to convert a worker pupa into a queen bee.
	And so we were doing some experiments putting iron over the beehive
	and copper over the beehive and different materials to try and see
	if we could change the way that the bee was mutated in order to...
	To figure out what happens to the soul when it leaves the body.
	Does it get short-circuited to the cast iron, if you like?
	You know, how much are these radiations affecting us and in what way?
	So it's still very much an open debate.
	We're only just starting to understand this stuff.
	And it's only through these wonderful radio stations like Coast to Coast and a handful of others that are willing to allow this debate to continue and to
	manifest.
	I hope your experiments had nothing to do with the current honeybee crisis.
	Well, it could well be. In fact, somebody sent me an email this morning
	hoping that we might mention something about the honeybees getting lost.
	Could it have something to do with the sunspot cycle?
	And of course, it could well have something to do with the radio.
	Maurice, we've got a break here.
	I'm sorry.
	We've got a break.
	The clock rules.
	So, we will be back.
	It's not over yet.
	One more segment to go from the high desert, the Great American Southwest.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Absolutely fascinating brain material tonight.
	No question about it.
	Maurice Conterell is our guest.
	And this one should have you thinking for a long, long time.
	It's not over yet, and we'll be right back.
	Top of the darkness, everybody.
	Maurice Cotereau is our guest, and here he is for one final segment.
	Maurice, welcome back.
	Thank you.
	Okay, here comes Barbara from Memphis, Tennessee.
	You're on with Maurice.
	Hi, Art.
	Long time listener, like 13 years.
	First time caller.
	Yes, ma'am.
	I have kind of a story to tell and then a question, okay?
	Okay.
	I was broke into in 1998 in another city, another state.
	But anyway, to make a long story short, it was my neighbor, okay, and he attacked me.
	He got in bed with me.
	I was sound asleep.
	He strangled me for like 20-30 minutes down on the floor, Maurice.
	He was on my back.
	I went to the galaxy.
	Everybody talks about going to the light.
	I did not.
	I went to the stars.
	I was in a thousand stars.
	It wasn't like moving real fast, but I was there.
	And I lost consciousness.
	I guess I was dead.
	I really don't know.
	But I know that I prayed.
	I said, Jesus, don't let him kill me and forgive me of my sins.
	I'm dead.
	But anyway, after that, I came back to my body.
	And that's all I know.
	I was just wondering where I went to.
	That's a tough one, Barbara, because I don't believe I've ever been there.
	But it's an interesting story.
	And clearly, there are accounts from people who are semi-conscious or in a state of comatose who with near-death experience experience all
	kinds of changes and they've tried, people have tried to rationalize these
	changes as energy leaving the brain, the brain becoming semi-conscious and so
	on.
	But it's a difficult question.
	It's a bit open-ended.
	And it sounds an interesting, if not a regrettable experience, and one to forget.
	But I can understand that some good has come out of it, because it's opened your mind and it's opened your life.
	So maybe the, you know, every cloud has a silver lining.
	And, you know, the Maya believe that what was good becomes bad, and what's bad becomes good.
	And that's why, again, it's all illusion.
	And the worst events in our lives very often take us on to a new level of consciousness and a new level of understanding.
	And even, very often, to forgiveness.
	And, again, to purification.
	So, you know, we try to look on every experience positively.
	Sometimes it's not easy, and sometimes it takes many years.
	But when we try to, then we can see the good, and not just the bad that comes out of a situation.
	All right, Maurice, here comes Miriam in California.
	Miriam, you're on the air.
	Okay, Art.
	I was told that I couldn't mention the author's name.
	However, Maurice should be able to get his book concerning The Ark of the Covenant, The Secret Powers of Ancients, The Knight Templar's Connection, and The Search for the Holy Grail.
	Now, this author sort of disputes what he said about the Holy Grail.
	And I found it very intriguing listening to him.
	But this book is very, very intense.
	And it took this man 23 years of research.
	And the book will be out in April.
	But like the lady said, I can't tell you who wrote it.
	Okay, well I'm sure there are many, Miriam, who would dispute what Maurice has said about the Holy Grail, but they ought to take the time certainly to look into it, because it does sound like he's done his research.
	Dave, in Kansas, you're on the air with Maurice.
	Thank you, Art.
	First of all, I'd like to just make a comment and a question.
	First of all, Maurice, welcome back.
	Nine months is too long, and I certainly appreciate and respect all the work that you've done.
	Referring to your book, The Jesus King Arthur, I'd like for you to, maybe if you could, speak about the temporary evacuation of the soul from the body and how it relates to the crucifixion.
	Well, the temporary evacuation of the soul from the body, out-of-body experiences, is used by some esoteric orders, namely the Freemasons.
	And when we reach, so we are told, when we reach a certain state of being, a very enlightened state of being, that the soul can leave the body, but it's connected to the body by a mythical, imaginary umbilical cord called a cable toe.
	And as long as the cable toe holds on to the soul, then souls of different people can go into another dimension and actually be together.
	And this is what was encoded in some of the pictures in Jesus, King Arthur and the Journey of the Grail, the ones you mentioned.
	We see the cable tow, we see how the soul can evacuate the body and come back, and we are told in the Bible, in the Book of Ecclesiastes, that it's a very dangerous practice, because if the cable tow ever breaks, then the soul would be cast adrift from the body and not be able to return.
	That's very interesting, Maurice, because those who travel out of body claim that it cannot break.
	That no matter how far one might travel, it will simply stretch on forever.
	And they say it's safe, there are no concerns, and you're saying not so.
	The book Ecclesiastes in the Bible says, if ever the silver cord be loosened, or the golden bowl be broken, then death will ensue.
	In other words, if ever the cable toe breaks while you're having an out-of-body experience, Then you'll not be able to return to the body.
	And it's interesting to note that in the Viracocha tombs, Viracocha is also depicted as a spider that spins a silver thread, and the silver thread again represents the cable toe, the silver mythical thread that comes from the navel.
	Well, as they said in the Old West, dead men tell no tales, so... That's right.
	Now, the second part of that question from Dave was... The first part was the cable toe, and the second part was...
	I think.
	That's all I heard.
	Okay.
	That's all I heard.
	So on to Phil in Arizona.
	Yes, my question involves, what does he associate Venus with?
	Jesus?
	And love.
	And love, okay.
	I read up on the internet, if I looked up Mars, the morning star, it tells that it was once also the God of love.
	But now it's God of War?
	Well, Mars is... The morning star is Venus, the evening star is Venus, and Mars is indeed been called the God of War.
	Maurice, correct?
	That's correct.
	Yeah, and isn't it Mars that we see in the sky?
	No, it's Venus usually.
	Mars is... Actually, you can see Mars, but it's red and it's very tiny.
	The very bright one in the morning, it's only seven degrees from the sun.
	So, you'll either see it Just after the sun sets, because it's only 7 degrees of azimuth away from the sun, or you'll see it in the morning just before the sun rises and the sky gets bright.
	It takes 584 days to go around compared to the Earth, so for 200 days you'll see it on the left side of the sun, and for 200 days, 245 days, it'll be on the right-hand side of the sun.
	All right, thank you.
	Okay, you're very welcome.
	Take care.
	Melissa in California, you're on with Maurice Carverell.
	Hi, you kind of touched on my question a while ago when you brought up the subject of the honeybees.
	I was wanting to ask his opinion, first I was going to ask if he was aware of the collapse going on here in America, but I wanted to ask his opinion on how you thought that might be connected with, there's so much symbolism also with the Masons and King Tut's tomb, you know, what other message Other than the Immaculate Conception part of it, could there be in the symbolism of the honeybees?
	That's a good point you make, Melissa.
	It's actually well documented in the Tutankhamun prophecies.
	So if you check that out on Amazon.com, there's a lot of research and a lot of information on the honeybee and how it affects the Freemasons, how it affected Tutankhamun, and you're quite correct about the Immaculate Conception and so on.
	So, yes, it's all there, but I won't go over it this morning.
	The collapse of the honeybee population, it could well be due to disruptive solar radiation.
	We don't know.
	I don't have enough information on what's actually happening.
	I've read the coast-to-coast website and associated sites, but again, it's not enough for me to form an opinion.
	It does seem that they're not dying in the hives.
	In other words, That they're either dying instantly from genetically modified ingested food or pesticides, or they're not finding their way back to the hive.
	And that's not quite clear yet.
	So until that becomes clear, I did read something that said that the honey in the evacuated tombs was not being eaten by certain moths and other insects, which you would expect.
	And this could suggest that the actual hive is polluted in some way.
	And again, There are lots of things we need to look into.
	But honeybees do navigate using solar radiation, the Earth's magnetic field, and the sun itself.
	And if any of these start to oscillate or vary, then clearly, you know, we know that in an electric storm, for example, all the bees and the pigeons will get lost.
	They won't go home.
	Is this a problem exclusive to just North America right now?
	Well, on the website, on the website, Art, I did read on the Linda Moulton Howe report that is happening in Poland and in some other places in Europe, but not Not in France, and I think it was not in Spain, and they didn't use certain pesticides.
	So I think the jury's still out as to what's actually causing it.
	But it's an interesting... And interestingly, Maurice, here in Nevada, it's not happening.
	But we are one of just a very few states where it's not happening.
	So, I don't know, we've got to keep looking for clues to this one because it's pretty ominous.
	DDE in California, you're on with Maurice.
	Yes, Art, I love your show, long-time listener.
	I wanted to ask a question back from the beginning of the show.
	Maurice, you stated that at the time of the Big Bang, and in the creation of the material, that at that point in time, evil was created.
	God is everything.
	I believe that, you know, even subatomic particle physics, that there's that zero point where, you know, God is everything.
	Once you become in the material, of course there is not anything that is perfect, but please explain to me how simply because something is material makes it inherently evil.
	Sure, no problem at all, D.V.
	What's happening is, if we look at Einstein's equation, E equals mc squared, then what Einstein's saying is, if you take energy and squash it with a hammer, it turns into mass.
	And if you take mass and bang it with a hammer, it turns into energy.
	and the explosion that comes off the atomic explosion it's very large
	because the equation contains c squared which is like squared which is a big number
	to all the saying is if you convert energy
	if you get a big bang from it what i'm saying is going back to high school algebra at the
	age of ten years old
	if god is energy let's pretend god is a hundred volts positive
	If God is 100 volts positive and he sacrificed a piece of himself, God must have sacrificed, for example, 5 volts positive.
	So that means the 5 volts positive crossed the equation to become M. Now, when anything crosses an equation, it changes from positive to negative.
	Which tells us that everything on one side of the E equals MC squared is God positive, but everything on the other side of the equation must be opposite to God, which is negative.
	Which means that everything to do with math in the physical universe must be the opposite of God, and therefore the opposite of heaven.
	Which means that we must be in hell.
	It's not a question of opinion, it's not a question of view.
	If the atom bomb explodes, then this equation holds true.
	Okay, Dale in Ohio, you're on with Maurice.
	Hi.
	Good morning, gentlemen.
	My question for Maurice is, are you familiar with the Christian Gnostic texts such as Mary Magdalene and Judas?
	Yes, I am.
	Do you put much value in those?
	I do.
	I think they're genuine.
	I don't know about the Judas Gospels.
	I have my doubts, because I have my doubts of anything that's promoted by modern institutions.
	In other words, the National Geographic put millions of dollars into promoting the Judas Gospels, and therefore I smell a rat.
	They put nothing at all into promoting the discovery of the Holy Grail, for example.
	So I'm suspicious of the Judas gospel for that reason. But the Mary Magdalene
	gospels and the other Nag Hammadi texts, yes, I think they're texts that have been set aside because
	they weren't popular or because they didn't necessarily fit in. And I think they're lovely
	pieces of work and poetry, if you like, just like all the rest of them. But I understand the
	problems they had in the first four centuries trying to decide what would go in the Bible
	and what wouldn't go in the Bible.
	It was a bit of a free-for-all.
	Everybody was fighting for their corner, trying to, you know, some people wanted to throw in revelations, some people didn't, some wanted just the Gospel of Mark, others wanted all of the Gospels.
	And of course, some of the Gospels may not have been known, quite simply not included.
	There's no evidence to suggest that at the time the New Testament was compiled, that these texts were available for consideration for inclusion.
	So I think they're lovely pieces of text, and yeah, we should take note of them.
	Yes, also I would like to say that my feelings about Judas would coincide pretty much with yours.
	And also, I would like to add, too, that last night I believe I took a little trip into purgatory, but I managed to make it back.
	Let's cut the hair down!
	Maurice, is there any question in your mind that at one point the Bible included reincarnation and that that was removed by man?
	Just say at the beginning of that again, please.
	Is there any question in your mind, Maurice, that at one point reincarnation was included in the Bible, and that that was removed by man?
	It is in the Bible, if you study the Bible.
	In the super gods, I compared the various religions, that was about 1997.
	And he does say in the Bible, no soul has come down... I forget the actual textual reference.
	It says, no soul has gone up to heaven that didn't come down from heaven.
	And it mentions that John the Baptist was Elijah in a previous incarnation.
	So there are references in the Bible, if we do look carefully.
	And of course... Well, perhaps I should rephrase it.
	Would it be true, in your opinion, that at one time, one did not have to look as carefully to find the references?
	What we have to be mindful of, Art, and I'm just trying to phrase this correctly, is that the Christian ethos recognizes the body and the soul, and it recognizes heaven and hell, and it recognizes that good souls go to heaven, bad souls go to hell.
	What I've shown in the last few minutes, and over the last few years, is that this physical universe is hell.
	Therefore, the Christian religion explicitly recognizes that bad souls go to earth, which means bad souls reincarnate.
	It's the same thing.
	But even this hellish earth needs order.
	And one might speculate that if reincarnation was all the more obvious in the Bible, that order would be more difficult to achieve and maintain.
	I disagree.
	I think if reincarnation was explicit, people would be more mindful before they undertake the actions they undertake.
	For example, before they hurt other people, if they knew they were going to have a karmic fallout from it, and they would have to pay back for the damage they've done to the other person, they'd think twice before they did it.
	And, you know, I think it would concentrate the mind Wonderfully, if we understood reincarnation and accepted reincarnation and accepted the law of karma.
	I think it's a great shame that it's not taught in schools.
	Well, some would say it might take some of the sting out of the death penalty, Maurice.
	Listen, I want to give you a quick chance, we're coming to the end of the program too quickly, we could go on and on.
	Your books, Maurice, if you could plug one and say it's the one I want you to read, which one?
	All of them.
	But try Jesus, King Arthur and the Journey of the Grail, and just a small caution there, six of the colour plates have been moved at the publishers, so if you can't see what I'm trying to say in six of the plates, you'll have to buy the hardback, the English version from amazon.co.uk, which is the Celtic Chronicles.
	But each of the books contains all of the information from the previous books, but they're all concerned with different civilisations.
	For example, the Mayas, Egyptians, the Peruvians, the Chinese, or the Celtic people.
	All right, Maurice, we're out of time.
	That's it.
	I have got to go.
	We have got to go.
	So, Maurice, thank you for being here.
	We will obviously do it again.
	My friend, it's been great.
	Thank you, Art.
	Good night, Maurice.
	And ladies and gentlemen, everybody have a wonderful week ahead.
	George will carry on from the high desert.

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