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Feb. 4, 2007 - Art Bell
02:35:25
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Possession and Visions - Gordon-Michael Scallion
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From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's time zones.
Prolific and all covered ever so well by this program, Coast to Coast AM.
I'm Art Bell.
It's great to be here.
I'll be guiding you through the remainder of this weekend.
And then we'll turn it back to George for the weekday fair as Coast just rolls on seven days a week.
Well, all right, let's look at the news.
And actually, it's not all bad, depending on your point of view, for a change.
The lead story, Colts tame Bears for Super Bowl victory.
Hmm.
Wet and wild.
And the perfect winning conditions for Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts.
Finally did it.
The Super Bowl gets his ring.
A team built for indoors found its footing on a rain-soaked track and outplayed the Chicago Bears.
You wouldn't have expected it, right?
The Bears should...
Should have won that game outside.
To win the NFL title, 29-17 Sunday.
The Colts far less sloppy, particularly their star quarterback, who proved that he can indeed win the big game.
The biggest game.
So that's the lead story.
Senator McCain sought to weaken support for a resolution that's opposing President Bush's Iraq war strategy Sunday, saying proponents are intellectually dishonest.
On the eve of a possible congressional showdown on Iraq's strategy, McCain contends the bipartisan proposal amounts to nothing more than a demoralizing vote of no confidence in the U.S.
military.
A gospel-singing, shouting crowd competed with the sounds of hammers, chainsaws, and dump trucks Sunday.
As parishioners of a church obliterated by a tornado gathered around the rubble to remember the dead and pray for the strength to rebuild.
The Lady Lake Church of God Splintered Wreckage has become a rallying point in this rural area of Central Florida, indeed hard hit by three tornadoes that killed 20 people and destroyed hundreds of homes on Friday.
Bad weather.
The U.S.
Command has ordered changes in flight operations, all this after four helicopters went down.
The enemy is boasting they've got something new, and indeed they brought down four helicopters, so we're going to make changes.
Boats ferried supplies to desperate residents of Indonesia's flood-stricken capital on Sunday as rivers burst their banks following days of rain and rain and rain.
At least 20 people Uh, have been killed and almost 340,000 forced from their homes.
Hundreds of people scrambled to the second floors of their homes to escape rising waters.
Some found themselves trapped.
Others refused to leave despite warnings that the muddy floodwaters, running over 13 feet deep in places, yikes, may yet rise further in the coming days.
A revolt.
Are you part of it?
Against a national driver's license began last month in Maine and now is quickly spreading to other states.
The Maine legislature on January 26 overwhelmingly passed a resolution objecting to the Real ID Act of 2005.
The federal law sets a national standard for driver's licenses and requires states to link their record-keeping systems to national databases.
Hmm.
Let's see, why do we hate that?
I guess anything that's a national database, people don't like.
A whooping crane was spotted alive Sunday after it was believed killed with 17 others in severe Florida storms, according to an organizer of a migratory project.
Organizers received a signal from a transmitter on the young male crane Saturday night, then again on Sunday near where the endangered birds were kept in Citrus County, Florida.
Later Sunday, they saw the survivor with two Sandhill cranes, said Rachel Levin, a spokesperson for the U.S.
Fish and Wildlife Service.
So, a little bit of good news out of otherwise a disaster in Florida.
I wonder if we're going to go to war with Iran.
Citing Iranian government involvement with Iraqi militias, as well as Tehran's nuclear ambitions, the Bush administration has shifted to offense in its confrontation with Iran, building up the U.S.
military in the Persian Gulf, promising more aggressive moves against Iranian operatives in Iraq and Lebanon.
The behind-the-scenes struggle between the two nations could explode into open warfare over just a single misstep, according to analysts and U.S.
military officials.
So, you know, that kind of a statement sounds a little like we're about to have a war.
Maybe not, but I have this feeling that we really want to clean up the situation in Iran.
I wonder how you feel about that.
Then we're going to be fighting on two fronts.
And by the way, those of you, we're going to go to... You know, I had kind of an idea.
How would some of you like to go up to the website, coasttocoastam.com, and ask me a question by Fast Blast?
Maybe I'll just sit here and answer a few questions by Fast Blast.
And, of course, I'll take some calls.
So those of you that know the numbers, the portals, feel free to go ahead and dial in.
The rest of you who would like to ask, some people are too shy to ask the question they really want to ask.
So go ahead and pose one on Fast Blast.
And in this first hour, I'll see if I can answer it.
By the way, in the second hour, Gordon Michael Scallion is going to be here.
He has traditionally talked about earth changes, whenever we've had him on.
Tonight, he's going to switch a little bit, and he's going to be talking about the subject of possession.
That's right, possession.
So, that should be very, very interesting.
Possession is a very interesting topic to me.
Anyway, anybody wanting to pose a question they're too shy to ask anywhere else, go ahead and pose it on Fast Blast and I'll see if I can answer.
The February 2nd report by the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says that human activities in the form of greenhouse gas emissions are the cause of global warming.
Some scientists think we only have a decade or so to fix the problem.
Actually, just a decade.
Meanwhile, major oil companies are desperately now trying to debunk that study.
In fact, CNN is reporting that an ExxonMobil think tank sent letters... I mentioned this yesterday, and Whitley just got it up.
Send letters to scientists offering them $10,000 if they would criticize the findings of the new UN study.
Is this the type of think tank that will be attached to President Bush's proposed $500 billion Presidential Library?
In the Independent, Steve Connor reports that carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere and the corresponding increases in average global temperatures are higher than at any time over the past 650,000 years, meaning that the IPCC has therefore concluded that global warming, global warming that we have observed in recent decades, is the likely result of human activity.
The IPCC reports and points out that 11 of the 12 warmest years since...
make that 1850, wow...
have occurred since 1995.
Conor says, if we want to avoid catastrophic increases in sea levels,
we must attempt to limit the melting of the giant ice sheets off Greenland and West Antarctica.
If one or both of those ice sheets should disintegrate, sea levels would rise disastrously and inundate most of the major cities of the world, as well as low-lying and densely populated countries like Bangladesh.
Now, they did say most of the major cities of the world.
That's because the majority of them are, of course, on the shore.
Recent micro-fossil evidence casts new and fresh doubt as to whether an asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs at all.
This is according to micro-paleontologist Gerda Keller of Princeton University in Princeton, New Jersey, of course, and her collaborators.
Their analysis of ancient marine-dwelling microorganisms called Formantheria suggests that global warming caused by massive volcanism in India led to dwarfing of all species and indeed a gradual decrease in their diversity beginning about 400,000 years prior to the mass extinction.
So there you have it.
Was it or was it not a rock?
They say not.
Of course, we had Seth on last night.
As you know, he's a great doubter about anything being already here.
At 5.30 on Thursday, 10 to 15 UFOs were indeed spotted over North London in the inner city district of Islington.
The Islington Police said they started receiving phone calls only minutes after the objects began appearing.
34-year-old market stall trader Allister McAllister, who witnessed the objects, said, quote, Just picked up my son from a nursery.
I'd come out the door when I noticed what was going on in the sky.
There were a whole group of them, 10 or 15, moving together.
My first impression was they reminded me of a squadron of airplanes in formation, but they didn't have proper formation.
They were all moving at the same speed.
I thought for a while that something was happening in the center of London.
Bombs and planes crossed my mind, but I realized very quickly they didn't look like any kind of aircraft I'd ever seen before.
They were coming from the north and moving south, and then they kind of just stopped and were hovering.
There was no sound.
They seemed to fade away, and I saw more coming.
Then they stopped.
It lasted, the whole affair, for about Ten minutes.
So, we're having UFO reports right now from virtually all over the world, in the U.S.
and elsewhere in the world.
It just keeps on coming.
But apparently, there's still not enough evidence for the scientists.
I guess for the scientists, a UFO would have to appear every night In the same place, on a regularly scheduled basis.
And just keep appearing and appearing and appearing and appearing.
In a moment, we're back with fast blasts and phone calls right after this.
All right, Paul in East Rockaway, New York asks, Hi Art, what is life like in Pahrump?
I'm thinking of moving there.
Well, the answer is good.
Very good.
We have excellent restaurants.
You have elbow room here.
Of course, Las Vegas is wonderful, but it's a big city and I kind of like elbow room and room for antennas and things like that.
He goes on, tell us about your Vietnam orphan airlift.
When I worked for KENI in Anchorage, Alaska, we organized at the end of the very bitter end of the Vietnam War and raised enough money to get a charter plane to Vietnam and brought back 100 plus orphans.
These were mixture children, you know, that had been fathered by US military people.
And we're not going to be particularly well and warmly welcomed by the North Vietnamese who were quickly taking over at that point.
So we brought them back to the U.S.
and they were adopted out.
And I'll tell you, in recent years I've been hearing from many of them who have now graduated from college and wanted to look back on how they got here and contacted me and contacted KENI and the newspaper in Anchorage and so forth and so on.
That's what we did.
There's not a whole lot more to tell except it sure is cool to hear from them and find out so many have done so well.
Patrick in Seattle asks, if the government took you into its confidence and let you know all the secrets it maintains about UFOs with one restriction you couldn't tell your audience, would you take them up on their offer?
Sure, Patrick, I would.
And I'd lie right through my teeth to them.
Now, there's no worry about this because, frankly, they're not going to come to me.
They know much better than that, and I would tell my audience.
So it would be very foolish.
If you're listening, government, don't come to me and tell me any of your secrets about UFOs, because I will blab.
So I'll try to keep answering some of these questions as we go along.
In the meantime, Wildcard Line 1, Jeff in St.
Louis, you're on the air.
Thank you for taking my call this morning.
You bet.
I have two quick comments.
One is about this national ID.
Yes, sir.
I think they want to try to keep voting fraud out, and I think some kind of national voting ID would be a good idea.
Yeah, it might not be a bad idea.
I'm not in total disagreement with you.
What's wrong with the national ID?
Nothing really.
It just shows you're a U.S.
citizen.
Why does it scare people?
I don't get it.
I have no clue why it would scare people.
I guess they feel it's a step toward a one-world government.
Yeah, probably.
And then my other comment is about Iran.
Yes, sir.
I do think we are heading close to a conflict with Iran.
Because once again, the U.N.
isn't doing its job.
And if it probably did its job the first time around, we probably wouldn't be in Iraq in the first place.
The U.N.
never does its job.
No, and then we usually end up cleaning up their messes.
I don't think you can name one time when the U.N.
has actually started and finished something.
Yeah, we usually have to clean up their mess.
Yeah, that's right.
Thank you for taking my call.
Well, listen, thank you very much for the call.
I hope that we don't go to war with Iran.
We don't need another war, but if it has to be, it has to be.
David in Louisville, Kentucky asks, are you taking Aaron sightseeing around the country?
So she doesn't think the whole place looks like Saudi Arabia.
Do you know what she thought it would be like here?
She thought it would be like portions of Kuwait, and she was thinking there would be, we'd have a house among large hills of blowing, drifting sand.
That was her image of the desert, and she was happily surprised to find out, indeed, that is not at all what it's like.
Luella in here in Pahrump, I'll be darned, listening to KNYE FM 95.1 says, did you hear anything about three cougars sighted in South Pahrump?
Heard about it on TV.
A female with some good-sized cubs.
No, I had not heard about it, but I sure would love to see them myself at a bit of a distance.
Tim in Wisconsin, you're on the air.
Is that me, Art?
Yes.
Yes, Art.
Good.
Thank you for taking my call.
Art, I'd like to say that in terms of the, just going kind of backwards here, the ID thing, I've heard that the new IDs are going to be related to biological DNA.
Well, they'll probably look at, you know, who knows what.
Something hopefully very good.
DNA or perhaps an eyeball scan or whatever.
You know, and it just seems that it's getting, I don't know, it just kind of seems like if they take a piece of your DNA and put it on some sort of a card or a little chip on this thing, that You're not afraid of it?
Well, I am afraid of it.
It's kind of a little bit too sci-fi for me, but that isn't why I called.
I called to talk to you kind of more about, shall we say, the feeling that things are kind of on a downswing now.
Do you get the same feeling that I do, that things are moving real fast right now?
I walk down the streets, people don't say hello anymore.
There's a fear factor.
The color levels of the terrorism levels.
It's like, to me, I'm envisioning that there's a master plan going on here.
Now I know it sounds conspiratorial and secret society type stuff, But it really does seem like a whole bunch of stuff is going on behind the scenes to make certain, shall we say, things happen.
And it seems like there is a, like a master plan.
You know, it seems like there's this thing that's going on.
A secret cabal of people running the world?
Well, I've read a lot, you know, many of your guests have ordered many of the books, things of this nature, and when you put it all together, it seems like there's four or five regions of the globe that they want to kind of control.
It does seem that there's this Globalist kind of theory.
I'll use the term theory, but it's beyond theory now.
It does seem that there's kind of the Pacific Rim, the North American, the Mideast.
There's these areas of the globe that they want to control, and you know as well as I do that there's only going to be certain people that are going to be controlling it, and it is going to be the haves and the have-nots.
In other words, nothing's going to change is really what you want to say, and that's really true.
We are headed toward a global economy.
I've said this many times before.
We began as little towns and groups trading with each other.
Then we began trading between states.
Then we began trading between regions.
Now we're to the point where we're trading between hemispheres.
We have hemispheric trading blocks, right?
And I suppose the next step from that is one single global economy.
And I suppose you'll have to have identification in that, and what will it be?
Well, probably some sort of, uh... Oh, I don't know.
Eyeball scan?
Or perhaps DNA?
I hope whatever it is they do, they make it so hard that identity theft is no longer possible.
If they actually get to that point, Might all be worth it.
I don't know.
I'm Art Bell.
Here I am.
Chad in Chino Valley asks, did you ever get an HD DVD or Blu-ray player?
The answer is no, Chad, and I really, really am hot to get one.
But I don't think they're available just yet.
And if they are, you can certainly order them from Japan.
There's not a lot of They're not a lot, as far as I know, movies available in that format as yet.
But as soon as it happens, I will be ready.
I love HD.
I don't know how many of the rest of you, since I've been out of the country in the Philippines and now back, have obtained HD televisions, but man, what a difference!
They are truly awesome.
In a moment, back to the questions and the phones.
Joe Gonza... Joe, I'll just give his first name, in Fort Walton Beach, Florida said, hey Art, do you ever listen to Rush or Sean Hannity?
They have experts that don't believe in global warming.
Why don't you ever have some of those guests that believe the other way around?
Well, Joe, they're towing a political line.
That's what they do.
Both of them.
Rush included.
He tows a conservative political line.
And right now the conservative political line is that's not happening.
Of course, that ignores reality.
Now, I think as far as scientists are concerned, it's getting very near 100%.
Not every last one of them, but there is pretty much a consensus out there now, Joe, that global warming is simply happening.
Not forecast to happen, not just in the models, Joe, but actually happening.
West of the... No, make that first time caller line, John in Whittier, California.
Hi Art.
Hi.
Thank you guys for taking my call.
Sure.
I wanted to turn the tables here for a minute and actually talk about our UFO extraterrestrial files.
I'm actually referring to the Disclosure Project.
You're familiar with that, correct?
Stephen Greyer's.
Yes, yes.
He talked about Sending something to Congress, actually, to President Bush about the disclosure of the files.
Do you know when, you know, I mean, he's not going to, obviously, they're not going to come out and say what's really going on, but do you know where that's at right now?
No.
It's been a while since I've talked with Stephen and I guess I need to get an update.
So, when was the last time you heard him on?
Well, the last thing I've seen is Fast Walkers.
That's a documentary.
That's about all I've seen of him.
That's the latest I've seen of him.
Okay, well I guess we need to get him back on coast and find out what he has sent the administration.
That's interesting.
I didn't know something was on the way.
West of the Rockies, Fred in Happy Valley, Alaska.
You're on the air.
Hey, thanks Art.
Yes sir.
How you doing?
Fine.
I got a problem here.
I've got somebody, I know this isn't what you're doing now, but I've got somebody that he makes his presence known.
He's a ghost, or a spook, or whatever you want to call him.
Yellow Ghost.
It kind of bothers me.
I'm doing a house.
It's a place I used to live in.
You mean you're building a house?
Well, we're remodeling.
Remodeling, okay.
And he's making his presence more and more known.
Maybe he doesn't like your taste in remodeling.
This I know for a fact.
Hello?
Can you hear me?
Yeah, I hear you.
Maybe he doesn't like what you're doing.
Yeah, I don't know if he likes it or not.
And he's literally, he's been getting to where he's showing himself more and more all the time.
I have two dogs that I have here with me.
One of them is a dog I'm taking care of for somebody else.
And one of them is mine.
And mine actually knows when that one's, when he's here.
But there's somebody out there that actually knows what he is.
And he is a specter.
You don't understand what I'm saying, specter?
No.
He's a ghost.
That I got.
Alright.
I don't understand.
There's somebody else out there that actually knows what I'm saying.
Well, okay, then that may be the person you need to speak with because I'm not quite able to put together what you're saying beyond the fact that there's a ghost.
Involved somewhere in the remodeling of your house.
And I'm certainly not an expert on what you do when you get a ghost.
East of the Rockies, Frank, in Michigan, you're on the air.
Hi, Art.
Hi.
Mega million, six below zero greetings from frigid Michigan.
That is cold.
Hey, Art, I have, instead of a prediction, which I failed to get into on the show, a wish.
You have a colleague by the name of Stan Monteith, Radio Liberty.
He interviewed a Green Beret by the name of Colonel Dan Marvin, who authored a book, Expendable Elite, and it chronicles Colonel Dan Marvin's experiences in Vietnam.
I really wish you could interview him sometime.
And then there's an IDF veteran by the name of Barry Shamish, who discovered in his research who it was that exactly murdered Itzhak Rabin over in Israel.
Oh, and by the way, you mentioned possession.
Stan Monteith also invented or interviewed a fellow who did a documentary called They Sold Their Souls for Rock and Roll.
Remember Malachi said that people he had known had actually made willing compacts with Satan?
Yes.
Perfectly possessed, I believe was the phrase he used.
Yeah.
Well, according to this author of They Sold Their Souls for Rock and Roll, many of the name brand rock and roll celebs have done that.
But I thought that would make for some very interesting interviews in the future.
Well, it might, and I'd be glad to look into it.
Sold their souls for rock and roll, huh?
I kind of miss the way rock was.
I even miss disco a little bit.
I wonder if anybody else... A lot of people will not admit it, but there's a lot of good music that actually came out of disco.
But then again, I was always kind of a rhythm person.
Daniel in Portland, Oregon, you've achieved the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
I called tonight.
I wanted to know why you guys aren't doing Earth Healing Sessions and Love Sessions.
Why we're not doing a love session?
Well, just like, you know, like... No, I don't know.
Explain to me exactly what you mean.
Well, I mean, just, you know, healing.
You know, Earth Healing Sessions.
You know, encouraging people to, you know, drop their weapons and love their fellow man and all that good stuff.
You know, like math consciousness.
You know, get him into a meditative state, sort of like with the weather thing that you did.
Um, because, as you know, I stopped those experiments.
And, uh, because I didn't really know what I was doing.
And I still don't.
Do you?
Well, no, but I just can't imagine anything, you know, bad coming from doing that.
Well, suppose in the world of the good guys and the bad guys, we encouraged a bunch of the good guys to drop their guns, and then they were shot by the bad guys.
Well, yeah, I thought about that too.
I don't know.
Well, that's the whole point, sir.
We both don't know.
And if there was really some way that I could be sure that the intent that we projected as a group would have the desired consequence and nothing more, believe me, I'd be all over it.
But we don't know that, do we?
Roger in London, Ontario, you're on the air.
Bill, how are you today, sir?
Quite well.
You know, on that disco theme, when I first heard your show a couple years ago and I heard the opening song, I go, wow, I'm going to hear a disco show.
So yeah, I could tell you're into disco quite a bit.
Yeah, I really am.
Cool.
I enjoy disco, and as much as people put it down, really, an awful lot of good came out of it, and I kind of wonder why it suddenly died.
Why didn't it just sort of hang around the way other music does and, you know, have its little corner of the world?
Well, definitely you got it in the evening.
It's got its own little corner on your show with the opening there.
Now, I give you a shout.
Sorry to change gears there.
I wanted to talk to you about did you get a feel for the UN report That came out recently about global warming and that basically they put it smack dab in the lap of humans in our action and inaction.
Yes.
Of that cause.
Yes.
Did you have a show last week?
I'm not putting words in your mouth but I just want to get a feel for it.
Did you say that, you know, it's not necessarily Because of pollution, but rather because of a change that's happening in the world.
I think you had a guest on that said it's every 1,500 years that's causing it to happen?
Look, there's as many opinions out there as there are body orifices, and my view is, and has been for two or three years now at least, maybe longer, that it could be the hand of man, or it could be natural cyclical change in our climate.
It really doesn't matter.
The fact of the matter is, it's happening.
So, from my point of view, we should stop arguing about it and begin doing something about it.
And that means perhaps we can't stop what's going on so we need to sort of project what's going to happen and then begin growing crops in areas that are going to have yields for us so we don't go hungry.
We're going to begin to have to inhabit areas that are going to be inhabitable and perhaps leave some areas that are going to be underwater or otherwise changed.
That's what humans can do.
We can think.
We have brains.
We should look ahead and we should begin to act.
Because it is happening.
Andrea in Los Angeles, you're on the air.
Oh, hi Art.
Have you heard of the Tesla electric car, the Roadster?
No.
Oh, well it just came out, oh I guess, maybe six months ago.
And it's supposed to be able to take a charge for at least 200 miles.
And you don't have to recharge it.
Well, I knew there were electric cars, Andrea.
Who makes it?
It's made in California, Northern California, by the Tesla Motors Company.
And it's been named after Nikola Tesla, of course.
Okay.
And I think it's like maybe $50,000 or something like that.
But would you ever buy an electric car?
I might.
I certainly might.
The thing you have to look into with electric cars is, you mentioned a couple of hundred miles on a charge, how long you have to charge it for.
Remember also that when you're using electricity, you're still using fossil fuels.
That electricity doesn't come out of the socket magically.
It is generated probably by fossil fuels or some other method that contributes to global warming.
So you are not necessarily escaping and using, it'll appear certainly clean energy to you, but that energy Andrea had to be generated somewhere.
So it doesn't necessarily solve the problem.
Amos in Oregon, you're on the air.
Hello?
Yes.
Me?
You.
Oh, hi.
Oh, hi.
Oh, uh, Mr. Bell.
Um, all right.
Um, Amos here?
Yes, Amos.
Uh, I sent you a magnetic motor to you.
Do you got it?
You sent me a magnetic motor?
Yeah, yeah.
Uh, no, Amos.
No, I have not received it.
Where did you, where did you send it, Amos?
I sent it from, um, Hamilton.
Not from where, to where?
To your place.
My place where?
Philippines.
You sent it to the Philippines?
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
When did you do that?
Just before you came after Christmas last year.
Just before I came back to the U.S.?
Yeah, yeah.
I never knew.
Bad timing, Amos.
Huh?
Bad timing.
Oh, geez.
But it should be there anyways, when you get back.
Yeah, by what method did you send it?
Um, just regular mail.
Regular mail?
Yeah.
Okay.
Regular mail takes about a month to get to the Philippines, Amos.
I'm keeping a day every time.
It's 79 days, 80 days now.
It should be there.
I'm afraid that it may be, but I'm not there.
Oh, you don't go back there?
Well, eventually, Amos, yes.
I will get back there and who knows, maybe there'll be a giant pile of mail and there'll be a magnetic motor.
Yeah, it's small.
It's an energy device.
There's no pollution and nothing like that, but you might like it, you know?
Well, I might.
All right, Amos Lawson, thank you very much for the effort and believe me, I will look for it when I get back there.
Tom in Vista, California, you're on the air.
Hey, Art, man, great to talk to you.
I got this great invisibility.
Story to tell you, but at a later date.
I was watching the football game today and I saw the symbols on the football helmets.
And the Indianapolis Colts had a horseshoe-shaped, a U-shaped, and the Chicago Bears had a C-shaped.
And I just wanted to know if you or any of your listeners had any kind of inference that this was a very peculiar shape.
Yes, I'm listening.
I'm just wondering what it is you're really asking.
In other words, the U-shape is to, I think, represent a horseshoe, since they're called the Colts.
And in the case of Chicago, ISC would be, you know, obviously for Chicago.
Yes, that's correct.
So what is it you're asking?
What I'm asking is, I'm asking your listeners, perhaps, if reading in the... You'll get it out.
I really want to hear this.
I do.
It was just a peculiar thing that I noticed on both of the helmets, that if you were to Turn the sea on its side, it would be just like the... Turn the sea on its side, and the horseshoe on its side, it was the same.
Alright, yes, I guess those who watch the game may or may not have noticed that.
Max in Canada, you're on the air, hello.
Hi Art.
Hi.
One question is, how come you don't do Truth or Trash anymore?
I don't know, just haven't done it, but I'll get around to it, I'll do it.
Okay, and another one is, The lady was talking about electric cars.
Have you seen the movie, Who Killed the Electric Car?
No.
Oh, it's a very good, interesting story about the GM EV1.
Well, who killed the electric car?
Yeah.
GM actually had a full electric car.
No, no, I'm asking, I'm asking, who killed the electric car?
Carb out of California, GM.
The usual?
Yeah, if you watch the movie, they cover it quite well.
I see.
But there's also another company out of California called Phoenix Motor Company, and they have full-size trucks.
And they're talking about $55,000 for those things.
Really?
Yeah.
$55,000.
And they go how far?
They said about 200 miles on a charge.
200 miles on a charge.
Sounds like the Tesla car.
Yeah, different company.
Well, maybe we're moving in that direction, but again, Uh, for what it's worth, ladies and gentlemen, please think about this when you think about electric cars.
That electricity...
Doesn't magically get to your socket to charge your car.
It has to be generated.
And the generation of electricity, many, not always, but many times, involves the use of fossil fuels.
We have factories.
And so there's sort of the great combination of how we generate energy, eventually gets to your electric socket, then it charges your batteries.
So you're still using energy that's pretty much generated the good old-fashioned way.
That doesn't really necessarily solve anything, but it feels good on a local basis.
Coming up in a moment, Gordon Michael Scallion on Possession.
Here I am and I've got an announcement for you.
From now on, beginning next weekend, whenever I'm doing open lines, it's going to be unscreened open lines.
No more screening.
When we do open lines.
We're just going to let it ring, and I'm going to just pick it up the way I used to do in the old days.
I can do that here, so we'll let the screener go take a little coffee break, or whatever it is a screener does when the screener isn't screening, and we'll do on-screen calls beginning next weekend.
Coming up in a moment, Gordon Michael Scallion is a futurist, and he's author of The Future Map of North America.
I've got a big copy of it out in my A hot tub room.
He is the editor of Intuitive Flash.
That's a newsletter which contains his latest insights on the future and how consciousness is forming that future.
In 1979 he experienced a health crisis which led him on a path of self-discovery and eventually resulted in his ability to access higher states of consciousness.
This access allows him to view future realities where you will get glimpses of what our world will be like from technology and future societies to the consciousness of children born with super mind powers.
So coming up in a moment, Gordon Michael Scallion is going to move away a little bit, although we'll get an update on earth changes.
That's what he's concentrated on pretty much.
And tonight we're going to talk about possessions.
Stay right where you are.
Gordon Michael Scullion, it has been a long time, my friend.
Welcome back.
Welcome back yourself.
That's true.
Yeah, I was just looking at my notes before I came over here to my studio, and I see that we've been doing this almost a decade, or over a decade.
Don't remind me, but you're right.
It's been about that long.
Yeah, I remember back then we were talking about the things that were going to happen with earth changes.
Tornadoes and floods.
Ice melting, things of that nature.
And it all seems to be underway.
It does seem that way.
Gordon, before we turn to an unusual topic for you, possession certainly is unusual for you.
What about all the predictions you made?
Now certainly, to some degree, it has all started to become true.
Is there any way to sort of reflect on what you told me so long ago?
I recall you said I would be guiding people out of California after a terrible disaster, a big earthquake, and so forth and so on.
Is that still all ahead of us?
Yeah, I believe it is.
I don't believe it's changed.
The timeline is difficult.
When a visionary or a futurist or anyone looks at some prophetic vision of potential realities, it's hard to get timelines.
You have to look at little signs along the way that might indicate when something might happen.
I was really off, as was many others, like Casey.
We all saw this happening around the turn of the century.
Yep, the patterns that we spoke about are happening.
So it seems like it's occurring, but it's occurring later.
It seems like it's moving now.
We're heading towards something.
We're getting tornadoes where we just didn't have them before, and we're seeing massive melt-offs.
Oh, it's horrible.
Absolutely horrible.
And the changes are clear.
And I think even most of the scientists now are on board.
There are, of course, a few detractors, the administration and a few others.
But most of the scientists are pretty much on board now and saying it's underway.
It's not in the future.
It's happening now.
There is a consensus now.
I mean, there's still a group that... The argument now is not so much the global warming, whether it's here or not, because that was a big issue.
You know, it was a conspiracy issue.
And now the issue is what's really causing it.
So now, you know, consciousness has changed.
It's got to the point where it's grown enough so that we see the reality of what's happening.
We just turn on TV every day and we see another aspect of it.
But now the question is, what's really causing it?
That's right.
Do you have any input on that yourself?
I think it's a duality of things that are going on.
I believe that the Earth's pole, a pole shift that I've been speaking about since 1979, I believe it has occurred.
I believe it's begun.
That the core of the Earth itself has slowly shifted its position.
So, if we could see the core is moving at one speed and the mantle moving at another speed, this has shifted somewhat.
And that's what I believe is triggering the increase in temperature from the core outward.
At the same time, you know, we see a relationship with the sun.
I mean, you know, we almost had a double sunspot cycle.
You know, we're seeing a lot of activity on the sun that we just hadn't Noticed before.
Now that we have, you know, satellites pointing at it and studying it, we can see the patterns.
It's true.
And now the scientists are predicting this coming Sun cycle to be perhaps one of the biggest ever.
I believe it's going to, you know, back in the 50s, the IGY years, you know, I was really, you know, like you, I was very active with ham radio and emergency preparedness.
And so I was very active during that sunspot cycle.
I think this one is going to be many times that.
Many times that?
Yeah, I think we're going to be right off the charts on this one.
I think this cycle is not only going to be more powerful, but I think it's going to last a lot longer.
There are those who predict some sort of cataclysm from the sun.
And indeed, there were, as you well know, Gordon, a couple of explosions from the sun That, had they been Earth-directed, would have been cataclysmic.
Yeah, and these are recent, too.
I mean, I assume you're talking about the recent activity that's going on, and, you know, we're supposed to be at the bottom of a cycle here, and yet we're seeing this massive release of energy.
And then, you know, I track what happens when we have these kind of flares, regardless of whether they're pointing at Earth or not.
How does the Earth react to this?
You know, because my sense is that the Sun and the Earth We are exchanging energy back and forth, like a sine wave almost.
So what happens if one affects the others, it's not just thermal radiation, it's other kinds of energies that are going on as well.
So we're seeing things that are just unprecedented, and we're building to some crescendo that's going to happen at some point in the future.
It seems entirely reasonable to me, Gordon, that what happens on the sun affects the earth.
And what happens to the earth affects those who live on it.
There's some kind of connection between human beings and what's going on with the earth.
Therefore, the earth and the sun both affect us.
Is that fair?
Absolutely.
We can see it in many ways.
If we look at ancient tree rings, we can see the cycles.
We can look at the Maya prophecies.
We can also look at what happened to civilizations when there was excessive solar energy.
In history, we can see patterns that occur.
I believe in cycles and I believe in patterns.
I try to nail down and be specific about when I think a pattern is going to occur.
It's a difficult thing at best, but we're in the middle of it now, and we're actually watching this whole cycle unfold.
The effect on people is much more than weather-related.
That's the kind of information that's been pouring into me for the past two months, of the effect that The combination of the sun and the earth, and what I call the borderland, is now having on its people.
Well, I think it's profound.
Now, you've always done earth changes, and I'm very, very curious how you got to the subject of possession.
I mean, it seems a world away.
Maybe not.
The original information that I And then there was another series of things that happened in 1980 and 81, which was about the Borderland, which I knew nothing about.
I didn't even know it existed, which is, you know, it's the realm of spirits and ghosts, and when the foal leaves the body, and these different levels that it goes to before returning to Earth as reincarnation.
And I didn't understand any of that, and it was really Difficult for me to fathom it because of my Catholic background.
Those were things that I just wanted to stay away from.
Stay away from the devil, stay away from all that stuff.
And then in my book, Notes from the Cosmos, I included a chapter titled, Crisis of the Borderlands, which was based on those visions.
And I put it in there because one of the insights that I had said is that When we start to see these weather changes and geophysical changes, at the same time, we would see activity on the sun, and that would be followed by society.
The consciousness of society changing.
In particular, it would change with teenagers and young people.
We'd see the greatest change there.
And they would do things that we would think at the time would not be possible.
And then, of course, in the late 90s, we had Columbine, and that kind of started the whole At least bring into focus the whole violence that's going on in schools and continues to this day.
And so this energy of possession was kind of in the background for me, and it was there, and I understood that there was some relationship to it, but it wasn't enough for me to continue exploring that because I didn't have a continuous series of visions on it.
You mentioned, Gordon, that we have been probably talking for about a decade.
About a decade ago, Gordon, is when I was interviewing Father Malachi Morton.
And he specifically talked all the time of possession.
I think you know something about him, right?
And he was an exorcist, and he, without any shadow of any doubt, believed firmly in possession.
And it was a decade ago, he told me that it had recently gone up about 800% in the area of his, or his realm, which was, you know, the New York City area, the New York area, about 800, it took a jump of about 800%.
Now, that would relate directly To what you were just talking about with the change in teenage behavior.
Yeah.
I'm aware of him, but I haven't heard his tape or the interview you did with him, but I've been aware through your show of your interview with him.
But it is interesting because A lot of people of faith have been talking about possession for long time periods, and I kind of dismissed it.
A lot of it is hellfire and damnation, and I'm looking for some kind of substance to what's really going on and what's really happening, and how is it happening?
How is possession possible?
In my out-of-body experiences, I ventured into the Borderlands, and I was able to learn more about it.
Now, this is not a new thing.
I've been doing this for some time, but it's the kind of thing that was part of my own journey to understand this, rather than something that I would go public with.
I did, like I said, include a chapter in my book, but that was about it.
And it wasn't until I started getting these incredibly strong visions And it began last September, and it was a daily thing, not a monthly or once a year, but a daily thing.
I'd get little snippets of it, and it was indicating that the borderland itself had become so, I guess the word would be polluted, the lower astral realm, that the energy of the area... Excuse me, is that what the borderland is?
I want to understand clearly, when you keep saying borderland, is that the area sort of in between?
It is.
From the physical Earth, the levels that go up, of which there are seven, the lower ones are called the astral planes.
It's kind of the place where you see ghosts and things of that nature.
And the lower one is the area where you'll also find people who have passed over who You know, who had a lot of unresolved issues, suicides, murder, death, the whole thing.
There's a lot of violence in there, and that whole area has become choked with negativity.
And that negativity, then, since it's the closest level, the astral level, to the physical Earth, it's a perfect conduit for energy to flow back and forth.
If you have young people who are misguided, are lost, alcohol or drugs on top of that, you provide a vessel for these negative forces.
We can call them demonic, we can call them whatever we want, and they can be groups.
It doesn't have to be an individual.
It can be a whole group of this act that is one entity.
And they can literally feed on a physical person who is susceptible to it, in which case you then see these actions that people say, you know, he was a nice guy, I don't know how he could have ever done that.
You know, you get a lot of that.
You hear that all the time.
Yeah.
And it's growing, and it's growing so much so that usually when I have these ongoing It tells me that it's building for something else.
Something else is about to happen.
Something that, probably in comparison to Earth changes.
And that's what's going on right now.
I think we're about to see some major influence.
If we look around the world, we see it with the Holy War that's going on now.
We see the hatred that's going on.
It's the Palestinians, it's in Iraq, it's Iran, it seems like the Middle East is like uh... focal spot because we've had
malaya of that kind of hatred going on
and so it's a perfect feeding ground for possession
and in so did the middle east can only go one way regardless of what we might
attempt to do it has to erupt
i i can feel it orton uh...
I'm not sensitive to the degree that you are, but I'm telling you right now, I can feel something really big on the horizon.
Maybe that's it.
I don't know.
Well, you know, my wife Cynthia is a sensitive, and my experience has been that Most people feel like they don't have the ability to sense the future, but they have the sense, because they always refer to it as, I have a feeling about it.
And those are kinesthetic people, and kinesthetic people, I found, are highly accurate in their own way.
They may not do it as a living, may not be known for that, but they really have a sense about doing things.
And I see that in the financial world especially, people who are in the market, you know, they just have a feeling about things, they're highly intuitive.
Alright.
Possession is the actual... well, alright, I'll let you do it.
What is possession?
Define possession.
Possession is when a non-physical entity, we can call it an individual spirit, or a group of spirits, Where they are impressing themselves, or their vibration, onto our physical body.
Now it does this through, one of our bodies is called the etheric body.
We can look at it as a double of our body.
If you were to take the physical body away, the etheric body could be considered like an astral form.
It could be considered, this is your ghost form.
Well, that etheric form, is a very susceptible part of our physical bodies.
It's part of our protection system of our body, if you will.
It goes back for history, from the time of, you know, millions of years ago when we were developing certain skills for survival.
Well, the etheric body developed, and it's a sensory thing that can project itself outward.
And that same thing that you project outward can also move the other way.
So, possession is where they, a spirit or a group of spirits, will attach themselves to this etheric body of ours, and they kind of feed off of it.
And as long as the thought patterns of an individual are a certain way, then it can stay.
It feeds on it.
Now, that individual comes in contact with, say, another student who's also You know, misguided.
Now that energy builds, and then that same possession can literally possess more than one person at the same time.
Can you define the kind of personality or the place a personality gets that makes them so susceptible to being possessed?
Whenever somebody turns so inward on themselves, Where their thoughts are highly focused.
Possession works when the thoughts of an individual are repetitive.
It's like playing a record over and over again.
So during the period of a day, 24 hours, the same thoughts are running.
Those thoughts are what allow this possession to begin to occur.
Alright, hold it right there, we're out of break point.
Gordon Michael Scallion is here.
Not Earth Changes tonight, although I guess in a way they are Possession.
Here I am indeed.
My guest is Gordon Michael Scallion.
This night we're talking about, not earth changes so much, although in a way it is, but possession.
Now, I mentioned about a decade ago, I did actually a full series of interviews, I don't know how many there were, quite a number with Father Malachi Martin.
And if I was not a believer in possession, I certainly was when that set of interviews was done.
He was a Catholic priest.
Father Martin was very close to several popes.
He spent quite a bit of time advising popes and in the Vatican.
He knew what he was talking about, and what he talked about was possession.
As I mentioned, He frequently said that possession was going up dynamically, up about 800% in his particular geographic area.
That's a lot.
800%.
That's what we're talking about this night.
We'll get right back to it.
Gordon Chris in Wellsville, Ohio asks, are you saying that obsession leads possibly to possession?
I think we can.
We can make a correlation to it, but it's the type of focusing you're doing, or obsession you're doing.
Typically, in the past year, I've been working with lots of people who thought they were possessed, or their family thought they were possessed.
And in 99 cases out of 100, they weren't.
There were other issues, but there were several that clearly were.
But the commonality that I see is that when they start becoming obsessive, compulsive obsessive, it's usually that they start to take their energy and they see an enemy out there.
Now the enemy could be society.
It can be God.
It could be their parents, it could be the school, their friends, but they simply are constantly feeding that thought, and that's the thought that allows this little crack to occur in the etheric.
And that's what lets it in?
It lets it begin to influence it.
It doesn't happen usually instantly.
It's kind of like you're picking up, you know, like dust.
You know, it's kind of hovering around you.
A clear example that I have found is that other people detect it first.
The people who are in the process of possession never know it.
Even after it's been cleared, they don't know it.
They only know what other people have told them.
But other people can sense it, and they just don't know what to do about it.
Father Martin said something interesting to me that I will never forget.
He said he knew that there were a lot of what he called perfectly possessed people in the world.
He could literally spot them as he would walk down the streets of New York City.
These would be people, he said, who literally have either consciously or subconsciously Made a deal with the devil.
Actually made a deal with the devil.
Now, that doesn't have to mean you sit down and sort of have a little talk with the devil, but it means that in some way your mind has said, look, I'll do whatever it is, if there's a devil, I want to be successful, I want this, I want that, and I'm willing to do whatever it takes to get it.
Simple as that.
Yeah, I believe that is true.
There is this inner thought process that goes on where you almost become schizophrenic, where you're talking to somebody, and this is why you'll see on television, They're doing court TV or something where they're talking about someone who's done these violent murders, and they'll say, or a mother kills her children.
We're all in shock.
How could that be possible?
And she says, well, God told me to do it.
And that God told me to do it is another example of this energy.
Possession typically is an outside influence coming in, but there's also another type of possession, and that's when the actual soul that's in a body has had previous incarnations of what we might call just pure evil, pure negativity.
And as that person grows up and becomes older, that just pours out of that person's own consciousness.
And then in turn, it draws more from the borderland or the astral realm into themselves.
So, you know, there's two things that are going on.
People who have souls that are kind of pure, you know, who try to do the right thing, they may not be religious even, they're kind of like self-protected.
And this is why you'll see You know, some of the most incredible healers that I've ever seen happen to be people of faith.
They could be rabbis or priests or anybody who has a strong faith belief.
And if that belief is strong enough, then they have the ability to rid possessions, such as Father Malachi, probably.
Yes.
Howard, you said that 99% were not, but you have run into a few that were the real McCoy.
How do you make that determination?
How do you know?
I can usually tell immediately.
People who work in the metaphysical field tend to develop the ability to see auras.
And so when someone comes in, you can see in the aura, you can see this You can see what's going on with it.
You can see patterns and colors.
Sometimes you can even see forms and shapes.
So, you know, it's the ones that are in between where you can't quite tell.
It looks like something's building, but it's not there yet.
When someone is full-on possessed, it's very easy to see it.
And then from that perspective, you can then begin to deal with it.
By the way, have you attempted to deal with anybody who really was possessed?
I have had some experiences.
What I've tried to do is to find out from the family what their belief system is, if they have a belief system.
And then I try to get them to work with their local minister or There are some therapists.
There are a group of therapists around this country who specialize in this.
They tend to be very quiet and not very visible, but they do it.
I try to direct them that way.
One of the things that I have done is, if it's a single entity and you try to communicate with that entity, they're usually not willing to do that.
If it's a group entity, I find that they're very willing to talk.
They're not very willing to communicate.
It's like a Rosemary's Baby deal, where the language is off the wall, the conversations, the different languages that come out of an individual.
Things you see in the movies happen, but it's so rare.
It's not a common occurrence, though I believe in the next couple of years we're going to see more and more of it.
I think we're heading for an epidemic of it, in fact.
All right.
That's what I was wondering.
So you, too, you're beginning to use words like epidemic.
I think so.
I think that, you know, the Earth itself is going through this incredible change and everything on it.
You know, it's like you were saying earlier that, you know, what happens under the sun affects everybody on Earth.
And so this energy, you know, The things that feed all this negative energy is the quality of the air, believe it or not, the pollution.
Positive ions is another breeding ground for things to go on.
As society continues to fall, as it has been in consciousness, it opens up other realms to come in and to make their presence known.
As I watch the Middle East, which I think is a good model to look at for overall possession, it's like watching a collective possession going on.
And as that grows, we now will see changes in every place on this planet.
We're going to see a lot more school problems this year and next year in particular.
It's just going to grow exponentially.
Well, we've planted ourselves squarely in the Middle East now, as you well know.
How do you feel about what we're doing now in Iraq?
And possibly, if I'm reading it correctly, it looks like we're about to be involved with Iran as well.
Well, you know, just look at my notes from when we chatted a long time ago.
It was that one of the key positions that I had was the Palestinian issue.
That if, you know, what I've been saying for You know, 20 years, if they get their state, it will indicate that consciousness has changed.
The Palestinians get their state, things would change, and things would kind of settle down.
You know, we're really looking at a millennium of conflict.
You know, you're at a point now where the Palestinians, they're children.
If you look at how they're being raised, the footage that's coming out of there now, you know, we're raising, you know, it's like the rebirth of the Nazi era.
And the youth movement.
So, the hatred is so strong now that it can only go one way, in my opinion.
I'd like to be an optimist.
I'd like to feel that somehow, diplomatically, we're going to solve this problem.
But we're not.
In my recent visions, in January, in my predictions for the year, I talked about Iran, and that Unfortunately, the thing I see there is so shocking that I hesitate to even talk about it.
No, please do.
But I really do see nuclear exchange there, but not the kind of nuclear exchange that you might draw your images to, seeing the large mushroom clouds wiping out a whole country.
I see these more as, I guess you would call them, tactical nukes.
I'm not familiar enough with them to talk specific about it, but one of the visions I saw a group of commandos being dropped off of a helicopter, and I could see the insignia, which was a star, the Star of David, on this helicopter.
And it's nighttime, and I see these group of commandos, and I don't know, a couple dozen, I think.
And then that vision changes, and I see another image, and I see a map of the Middle East, and I clearly recognize the border of Iraq and Iran.
The next thing I see is these kind of cruise missiles hugging the ground, and they're coming from multiple directions.
They're not all coming from like one ship or one airplane, but multiple directions.
And I watch the vision as these missiles go to their targets, and many of them are in isolated areas.
They're not in, you know, things that you see visibly above ground, but they then go up high.
I don't know how high, but very high, and then turn around and go straight down.
And as they go straight down, I see them hit the ground, and then I see this mushroom cloud coming up.
And so it's not a huge cloud, but it's clearly some kind of a nuclear device.
And I see five or six of those happening at the same time.
And you see these detonating on the border area of Iraq and Iran?
Well, they're in Iran.
They're in Iran.
Oh, I can see that happening.
But they're in different locations.
It's not like it's one community or one city.
They're in different places.
There's like four or five different places that are separated by hundreds of miles between them.
And so I don't understand that at all.
I mean, I look at a map, you know, and nobody really knows where these facilities are, if they have facilities like that.
I mean, I know they don't.
Well, if anybody knows, it would be Israel.
Yeah, but I see Israel as doing this.
And then the next mission I saw was these carriers, U.S.
carriers, and I see planes just in the air constantly, just constantly landing and taking off, landing and taking off.
But I don't see them doing anything.
That was another surprising part of this.
I just saw massive amounts of planes in the air, U.S.
planes.
Going over and coming back.
Sorting after sorting after sorting, but never firing.
So I clearly did not understand that part of the vision.
And then that vision ended.
Isn't that odd?
I'm trying to think, what would propel us to do something of that sort?
Or do you think you just saw part of the vision and you didn't see the part where they were actually doing something?
Yeah, I did not see part of it.
The vision has occurred at least three times, and for me it takes three times before I talk about anything.
And it's always the same, so it hasn't changed.
The colors are always the same.
And the only thing I can possibly conclude is that Israel is doing this, but somehow we are providing some kind of backup support, you know, just to control airspace or something.
I don't know.
But it clearly is Well, Iran is clearly headed in the direction of nuclear weapons.
I think that's pretty common knowledge, and I don't think that Israel ultimately is going to allow that to occur.
And I doubt that we're going to allow that to occur.
We're making all kinds of noises now about Iran, so we could be just around the corner from that.
Do your visions indicate any finality to whatever it is that happens, this conflict?
Well, the visions that I've seen, most of them go back.
Ten years or more.
And I always saw these two patterns of the Middle East.
One pattern of the Middle East, I just saw it as just burning desert, almost like it was just wiped clean.
And the other vision that I saw was that things were quiet, things were kind of prosperous, and there was commerce going on, and things of that nature.
So those two visions were always oscillating back and forth, and I came to understand that The future was really tied into the free choice that would happen dealing with the Palestinian issue.
Somehow, in consciousness, that was a key focal point in my visions, that that had to be resolved.
If that was resolved, then things would be lessened.
But at the same time, I was seeing the turmoil.
I was also seeing volcanoes going off and eruptions.
You know, I concluded at that time that this whole war that's been going on is not going to be short term.
It's been going on for years, but it's going to continue on.
And it's going to continue to build.
But the thing that may stop it is earth changes.
And that would stop just about everything, wouldn't it?
Yes.
I want not to believe that it could be so, and I want to believe when our president, for example, says that it's not all of Islam, clearly it's not all of Islam that is radicalized, but I have this concern that a lot more radicalization has occurred than the general public is aware of.
The administration likes to characterize it as a very small group of very radical people I have this awful feeling that it's becoming bigger and bigger and bigger.
What do you think?
I think you're absolutely right.
And what's happening is that videotapes, thanks to these small cameras that fit in your hand or even in your pocket, we're getting a lot of videotapes that are coming out of the Middle East.
And anytime a society starts to fall apart and decline, we can see it in their youth.
We can see it in schools and education.
And if you take a society, and the general theme of the society of your children is to promote violence against this enemy that you are going to, that's your duty, to even die for it.
And we're talking about kids that are 5, 6, 7, 8 years old.
When you take a society and do that to that, it can only go one way.
I mean, it would take generations to modify the things that are going on now.
And typically, That goes the way of Nazi Germany.
It goes the way where there's total devastation, and then a rebuilding occurs.
And so now, we look at Japan and Germany, we see democracy, we see thriving communities, we see people getting along.
But not before there was this cleansing.
And I think that the Middle East is going to go through a cleansing.
Well, the difference, of course, between then and now is then there was regional destruction.
Now, atomic weapons offer us the possibility of the, you know, the virtual end of the world as we know it, if it gets out of hand.
Yeah, my visions have never shown that part of it.
I've always, you know, I've always seen very limited things, I mean, extremely limited things.
You know, I'm asked a lot, you know, do you see a dirty nuclear bomb for the U.S.?
And my answer is no, I haven't seen that.
That's good to hear.
That's actually good news.
Gordon, hold it right there.
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Maybe they're the same thing.
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Gordon, that phone number I gave, 603-256-6520 is that 24 hours or during the day or what?
It's 9 to 4, East Coast time.
Okay.
But there is a message center that can at least take phone numbers if they want to call.
Okay, and they'll return calls?
Yes.
Okay.
The Middle East and possession, is it Is it possible that an entire region or entire peoples could, in essence, be possessed?
I believe so.
We spoke earlier about the fact that there can be a group possession.
Individuals have karma, individual karmas.
We all do.
But there's also a karma of a city or town, and there's a karma of a nation.
And so if we look at the Middle East, because the U.S.
is new.
We're a couple centuries old.
But if we look at the Middle East, we're talking about thousands of years, probably tens of thousands of years.
And so there's a lot of karma there.
And that karma can create a group dynamic.
So you already have the mechanism there to draw in very large negative forces from the astral planes.
And so, I clearly believe that the Middle East is possessed.
It's the only way I can... I can't make it any simpler than that.
It's in a state of possession, and it's being fed.
The negativity in the astral planes is just feeding it back and forth.
And in order to cleanse that, you have to use one of the basic elements.
It's got to be fire or water.
It requires a cleansing, just like when a priest, for example, It works with possession.
We'll use holy water, the act of purification with water.
Same thing with the Middle East.
It'll be fire, which we know what that represents, or water, which could be flooding.
Do you think there's any possibility that the Middle East will just somehow calm down, or is there going to have to be fire before there's peace?
In other words, it's headed toward an inevitable catastrophe.
I think we're in the middle of, when I said the middle, let me change that.
I think we're in the end of a cycle where biblical and non-biblical prophecies are all coming into play.
And so, you know, there's always that hope.
There's always that hope that some master who's alive and walking on this earth, you know, goes in and, you know, a Gandhi-type person and somehow makes this thing all better.
I don't see that, and I really would like to see that.
I mean, I'm hopeful, but it looks like it can only head one way, and that is a purification.
Purification, yeah.
Coming back to the individual level for a moment, and possession, what kind of effect do drugs and alcohol have?
On the one hand, you would think they would dull a person's ability to sense that sort of thing at all, or does that open doors?
It opens doors.
Our bodies and our brains and our minds are always on alert.
We always have these senses that are always on alert.
We may not acknowledge our sixth sense so much, though today intuition is becoming more acknowledged.
But it's a natural function of us.
We have these.
Now, when we deaden those through alcohol, obsessions of some type or drugs, then we break down those
protective barriers that are natural to us.
And it's that breaking down those barriers that allows the crack to widen a bit.
Like I said, it doesn't happen instantly, although it can.
It usually occurs over a period of time and builds and builds and builds.
And then all of a sudden you're seeing a report on television of somebody who took a rifle
and offed a bunch of people and then himself and the inevitable interviews with people
who say, gee, you know, he was such a loner and such a nice guy and last guy in the world
you'd expect to do something like that.
Thank you.
Yeah, and it's becoming all too common, you know, and of course, you know, things now are much different than they were in the 50s or 60s.
You know, here we have this instant communications network of television, satellite media, the internet, and so, you know, it brings to focus all these things that are going on all the time.
And we have 24-hour news stations, we have multiple news stations, so it's hard to turn TV on without being exposed to things that are going on in the world.
That's right.
Those things, the pattern is showing that it's increasing.
And so, you know, we can look at why is it increasing?
You know, what's changing in society to make this increase?
Well first, Gordon, is it really increasing?
You mentioned yourself, we've got radio and television, satellite, we've got instant communications, the internet is there.
There's nothing you can't find out nearly immediately, so there's the, we're hearing a lot more than we used to aspect of this.
To balance against, there is much more of this going on.
There is, but what What we're seeing, even if we didn't have the 24-hour news stations, we only had newspapers, for example, we go back to the 50s time period, you didn't see the kind of things that are happening now.
You didn't see the Columbine kind of stuff.
Possession took a different path back then.
It was more individual, and it had more to do with different elements.
Possession existed.
It's always existed.
You know, we fall from our center place.
We're susceptible to influences.
Now, these influences are not always possession.
These can be very subtle influences.
So we make what we consider stupid decisions, or we say, why did I do that?
These are all the effects that are going on in the invisible world, you know, the astral plane.
But the events have always been going on, but the acceleration now is that we see it involving a lot more damage, a lot more people.
You know, if we look at, you know, Jamestown, and we look at Tate, Sharon Tate, you know, we look at that time period of possession, you know, where charismatic leaders drew groups to them.
And then we're able to literally possess the whole group.
You know, one individual was able to do that.
And so we see that.
So now, you know, when I look at television in places, I look at the leaders.
I say, you know, what is the leader like?
Because that will tell us a lot about the society of that particular country.
Because the body of the country elected those leaders.
So you have to look at it and say, okay, you know, what's the relationship there?
And where might this go based on the leader's philosophy?
How possible is it, Gordon, that this is self-perpetuating?
In other words, I can read five minutes of Associated Press news and it's nearly all negative.
They don't report good news.
Save one story about the Super Bowl if you consider that good news.
Everything else is negative.
It's about how many died in Iraq.
It's about who picked up a gun and started killing a bunch of people or whatever other catastrophe is going on now.
I've been doing a lot of work in consciousness lately.
A lot of shows on consciousness and I've begun to wonder Whether this is all self-perpetuating, and the more negativity that we feed to the general public, the more negativity is allowed to come in.
I think that's true.
I think that's very true.
And I think that, you know, two things happen.
I mean, either you get tired of watching all this stuff and you turn the channels off.
You don't watch them anymore.
Or you become obsessed with what's going on.
Now, part of that may be because If we are focusing on somewhere else, if our thoughts are somewhere else, it takes us away from working on ourselves.
We see the misfortune someplace else, and we can feel the compassion of that, but it may literally keep us from working on our own issues, what our own personal consciousness is, and how that's going to develop.
Typically we had a family.
We had two parents.
One was working, one wasn't.
It was a family unit and families sat down to dinner.
So one of the things that I write about in my book and elsewhere is that how important the nightly dinner and the breakfast are.
And that kind of brings together a bond with the family.
Well now, you know, it's hard.
Both parents, just to pay bills, have to work full-time and then some.
And so the kids tend to Not get the same kind of guidance and treatment and interaction.
And so, that opens another door for them to just drift away.
Well, as you know, I just got back from about eight months in the Philippines, Gordon.
And the one thing I noticed, above all the Philippines, is about 87% Catholic, something like that.
And they're real Catholics, capital C. And they're very, very, it's kind of like the 1950s or even earlier in the U.S.
They are so utterly family-oriented.
I don't have words to describe how very different it is.
They are abjectly, just horrible poverty there, all over the Philippines, but they're happy, Gordon.
They're happy people, and they're utterly family-oriented people.
And it hits you right in the face when you get there.
Now, there are a lot of problems in the Philippines, but not the kind of problems that we have here.
You know, there are countries that I have been to as well.
Like, I did a lot of work in the Yucatan, and exploring the Maya, and meeting with the people, and going to their little homes, and actually spent time with them.
And they're loving.
By our standards, we say they're poor, but they don't understand poor at all.
No, they don't.
And, you know, their family unit is there.
And, you know, so the first time I went was in the early 80s, and then when I went in the 90s, again, I started seeing satellite dishes popping up.
These little shanties.
Sure.
And then when I went mid-90s, you know, things began to change.
And I started seeing a change in the actual culture.
Modernizations kind of took hold, and I started seeing some changes.
So, you know, the faith has a lot to do with the community, too.
You know, here in the United States, you know, we've seen some really turnarounds in religion.
You know, we've seen some declines, we've seen problems, and it's smaller.
You know, when I used to go to Sunday services, you know, it was packed, always packed.
And, you know, now it's very few people there.
And it doesn't mean that the faith and religion is gone away or that it's not valid.
It's just that our focus and our attention, you know, has gone someplace else.
So the correlation between smaller communities that are family-based with some kind of a faith structure, they tend to do better.
Well, one interesting thing I noted was that here in the United States we separate the state and religion.
In fact, we have great arguments about it and we have crosses removed from government buildings and that sort of thing.
In the Philippines, When Christmas comes, for example, Gordon, the government buildings are the first decorated.
All the light poles and on the highways, they're all the first decorated by the government.
And so, instead of a separation of government and religion, you have A government virtually run by religion, and I'm not necessarily promoting that right now, I'm just telling you that's the way it is, and it results in a very different culture.
Yeah, the integration is a good word that I've seen in those, and I think what you're describing in the Philippines is this integration, you know, the leaders who are elected come from the same family group, that's what I was saying, if you look at the leaders, And see who they are, then you can understand better about the society and its people.
You know, here in the United States, we're polarized.
We're highly polarized, and have been.
And so, you know, we're looking at something from two sides of an issue, and so we'll blame our leader, or leaders, and on one side and the other side, we'll kind of support it.
And that duality, you know, He keeps, I think, a society from really nurturing and moving forward.
Is it fair to say, do you think it's fair to say, Gordon, that the separation of church and state in America has, to some degree, succeeded?
It definitely has.
It has, and it has, and probably rightfully so.
You know, we have to go back and look at how our country was founded, and how the Constitution came into being, and all the problems that went on with it at that time.
But I think it has been a good thing.
I think, you know, true faith and religion, I think, is community-based.
You know, we look at the national organizations, you know, the huge ones like Judaism and Catholicism, and the billions and millions of Of members of Islam and all the other groups.
But really, you know, good working faith-based is a community.
You know, and I saw that on television with the tornado that hit, you know, the Palm Beach Gardens area.
And I saw the church that was designed to handle 150 mile an hour winds, and it just rolled up into a ball.
That's right.
I saw how those people in that community reacted.
There's no doubt in my mind that they're going to get through this fine and they're going to be better for it.
I think that's true.
But those tornadoes are a sign of something that you predicted years ago, I'm afraid.
The weather-related predictions have been right on.
The mega earth change things have not been right on.
But the weather stuff just continues to roll on.
Like this year, I call this the year of the wind, and also it's going to be the year of drought.
We're going to see both these elements play out all year long.
So we're going to see more of this wind, especially in areas where it hasn't occurred before.
We're going to see it in strange areas of tornadoes.
They're going to fire up You know, this one here was only an F1, I think.
Or F2, I'm not sure.
But we're going to see things that are going to go off scale.
We're going to see F4, F5 kind of stuff that's going to go on.
Maybe the weather people agree with you.
They just recalibrated the Fujita scale for tornadoes.
It's going to be interesting to see what kind of year is coming.
I think they too believe it's going to be a very, very bad year.
Is there a way At the individual level, Gordon, to protect oneself against what's all around us, apparently.
Yeah, great question.
Really great question.
Let me tell you that the research work that I've done, and this comes from about 10 years of research.
As parents would, you know, bring their kids to me because they felt that there was something was influencing them.
And typically they come in to me thinking that it's a ghost.
It's some kind of a spirit.
Sure.
And that's how it starts.
And then as I look into it, I see that there's outside influences, that indeed it's kind of a spirit, but it's really a, you know, an astral, a borderlands kind of thing.
And so, you know, I tried communications, I tried Um, working with, um, having them, you know, change the positions of their bed, how they sleep at night, I found made a difference.
Really?
I found if you can sleep about 50, here, at least, at least here in this hemisphere, um, in this hemisphere, if you can sleep about 15 degrees east of, of, of magnetic north.
So you get a compass and you put a compass down by your bed.
You look at 15 degrees east of it and it gets ahead of your bed point in that direction.
Hold it right there.
What a break point.
This is a perfect place to pick up and a lot of people want to hear about exactly this.
The protection part when we get back.
Something very little bit different that we normally discuss with Lord Michael Sky in Earth Changes is where we normally go but Tonight, no.
For the most part, we're talking about possession.
And at the moment, the protection part of possession.
Yes, it's all out there.
I think we can all feel it.
We know at some level that these influences are around us.
Believe me, I'm considering very carefully what I do here on Coast to Coast AM and how that may or may not contribute to some sort of self-fulfilling prophecy.
I have that under active consideration.
GMS back in a moment.
Okay, Gordon, you were beginning to talk about protection and the positioning of a bed.
Nevada, interestingly, in Fernley, Nevada, somebody named Nevada, says when Edgar Cayce was preparing to do or go into one of his trance-like readings, he always made sure that he was lying down with his bed oriented north-south, his head to the north.
True?
I don't know that.
I've never heard that.
But I do know in Many traditions, such as Native American, and I have many friends, many elders who subscribe to the same principle.
The interesting thing is that when I started in the early 80s and I was doing research work on magnetism and magnetic motors and looking for the alternative energy thing of the future, You know, I found that being dead on magnetic north wasn't doing it, you know, for my meditations and stuff.
So I shifted a few degrees, like five degrees, and then it just jumped right up.
And I said, wow, this really works.
But interestingly enough, and since that time, it's now, you know, 15 degrees.
And so the assumption I've made is that the magnetic Polls have shifted in some areas, maybe not in totality, but there's certain eddies, we'll say, where it's shifted.
I've tried this in California, I've tried it in Colorado, and I've tried it, obviously, in the East Coast.
And 15 degrees seems to do it.
So you're recommending people get 15 degrees off magnetic north?
Yes, to the east of it.
To the east, okay.
So it would be 15 degrees on the compass would show.
Once you align your compass north, magnetic north, and then the 15 degree mark, if you can do that.
Now obviously not everybody can do it, but at least you can try it.
You can do an experiment with it.
And the results are kind of interesting.
The first result that I saw I would remember, every day I remember at least two or three dreams.
But when I did this exercise, it jumped up to five and six, you know, the next day.
And it's been that way ever since.
So my dream journals, you know, are kind of chock full now.
And I equate it directly to the magnetic positioning.
And I've also found that it aids in healing, too.
I found that, like, simply like a cold The duration is shorter and I've also found that my memory is better and physically, you know, I felt better.
So, there's something going on there and my sense is that when we're in the stream of the magnetic field and we're aligned properly, that we're getting this amplification of our bodies.
Our body's natural immune system and healing abilities The magnetic body, it just helps us in many, many ways.
And of course, one of the ways I found is that by doing this, the subtle energies that were affecting us go away, such as what I call pre-possession.
This is when there's just very slight influences that are going on, but it can bring it back into balance.
So that was one method.
That is really interesting.
Really interesting, and you say you can feel the effect of this.
It won't be so subtle that you won't know.
Most people that have tried this say that, you know, I've given them a list of things to look for.
I said, one of the things you want to look for is, has your dream states changed at all?
You know, do you become lucid occasionally in your dreams?
I've had people who tell me they have never dreamt in their life.
And then, all of a sudden, they try this, and they say, my God, that's what dreams are?
You know, it was like a whole new language to them, you know?
They said, it doesn't make any sense, you know, that I was flying, or I was doing this, and, you know, and I said, well, that's the language of dreams.
It's a whole different language, and you need to learn the language to understand it.
Well, we've got enough people out there right now that I'm sure enough of them will give this a try.
It's 15 degrees east of magnetic north.
In the hemisphere, yeah.
Yeah, so you've got a compass, folks.
You can actually, if you're able to position your bed, give it a try for a couple of weeks or a month and report back to me.
And I'd be very, very curious myself.
I think we're connected to the Earth.
And the Native Americans think that.
I just My intuition tells me it is true.
So this really is worth a try.
And you think in addition there's some protection from some of the more negative influences?
I think so.
You know, it's kind of like a nightly tune-up.
You know, we've got a six to eight hour repair cycle.
You know, while we're sleeping, parts of our body are being repaired.
You know, the lower trunk in particular is being repaired as we sleep.
And so that repair Also, it works in our brain, you know, in our mind, and so we get the opportunity to allow... Now, we talked about the negativity of the astral realms and those forces, but there's also at higher levels, beyond the lower astral planes, we get up to the intuitive planes and the causal planes.
I said there's seven planes.
Well, the higher the planes, the more clear those souls are.
And to advance to a higher level, you have to be in service, literally.
And so, many of those come as dream guides, or guides, or they'll come just to influence others.
And so, it's a positive force.
And so, as you clean up your body through this magnetic exercise, you open yourself up to dream guides.
And a lot of people have reported to me that What they're experiencing is that the dreams pop up, and then all of a sudden, they experience this lucid experience where they actually are listening to somebody talk to them, which could be their dream self, obviously.
But it also could be something else.
It could be a positive force.
But I've noticed that the magnetic field, in the proper way, is a deterrent to negative forces.
So, again, like you said, it's worth trying.
It's a harmless kind of thing to try.
That's just one of the methods that I found.
There's at least two other methods that people can do to stem off any of these negative influences.
We are listening.
One of the things I tried after the magnetic field, and this came about in the mid to later 80s, is I started working with, you know, I started seeing auras in the 80s.
And so, but I didn't understand them or what they were.
And then, as I went further into the 80s, they became more pronounced, and I began to understand what the colors meant, and how our emotions were constantly changing this rainbow around us.
And then I, quite by accident, I went to a meditation.
nightly gathering.
It was a meditation room, and I went to it just to experience it.
And they were playing a specific type of music called Baroque music.
And I listened to that, and as I listened to that music, I started playing it.
I watched all of the auras in the room in unison start to harmonize, color-wise, with the music.
Oh, isn't that interesting?
And I said, wow!
And And so, you know, I talked to the people afterwards and I said, well, how did you happen to come across this music?
And he said, they said, well, it's, you know, we follow music that was produced by Bach and that we think he was a master.
And they went out to this whole new age thing at the time.
And I didn't understand what they were talking about, but I didn't notice the change in the music.
So I went and I got as much of that music as I could and played it on myself.
And then as people would come, I would do that.
And then I, I noticed, That when people came to me who I thought were, you know, in a state that they could become possessed in the future, that they were definitely being influenced by an outside force.
And so I would put this music out in the background, very, very, very, you can barely hear it, but it was playing.
And they'd come in and they would be agitated.
And so when the music played, they would be agitated.
And then after about maybe 15 minutes of us just talking, You know, music still playing, that agitation would go away.
And then, you know, I'd see them again in a month, and they'd come back in a month, and they'd come in again, they'd be agitated a little bit, but after about three times, the agitation went away, and then the parents said that they thought that whatever he was going through, he's now through it, or she's gone through it, and she's kind of back to normal again.
It appears that magnetism is a way of doing it, and it appears that music, specific types of music, Baroque in particular music, can be a, not so much of a protection, but it can help clean up your aura, so to speak.
And by cleaning up your aura, you're actually providing the protection.
You know, that makes so much sense.
It really does.
Music.
So, position of the bed, 15 degrees east of north, and Baroque music.
And while a lot of people no doubt will chuckle about all of this, I'm not.
I know the effect music has.
And while we're on that subject, there's a lot of different kinds of music, aren't there?
And if Baroque has that effect, Then I wonder what rap does to people.
I have not had that much experience with that.
I have had experience with a very loud drum kind of music.
You know, when there was the era of Kiff and other groups out there, when the heavy metal sound was out and it was large, I noticed an incredible increase in my correspondents and people visiting me, parents in particular, talking about their kids.
The whole thing about rock and roll is evil and so forth and so on.
Basically what it is is that music has a series of vibrations.
The way I look at it is that our body is like a tuning fork.
And it's a multiple-faceted tuning fork, granted.
But ideally, if we're perfectly in harmony with Earth and Sun and nature, if we're in harmony, our tuning fork is just vibrating perfectly.
And when it's not vibrating perfectly, then things start to happen.
And we'll see that effect in one of our major endocrine system glands.
One of our organs will start to react to it.
So, it makes sense to me, if I induce Another vibration, whether that vibration be magnetism, or color, or sound, that our bodies are going to react.
They're going to either react in a positive way, or a negative way.
Or hopefully, it could be a neutral way, which would be good if we're looking for our perfect tuning fork.
I guess so.
No, all of that makes a whole lot of sense to me.
And it's worked for you, and you've also seen it work for others.
I have.
I have.
We have now about 25 years of work and research doing this type of work.
Most of my work is not Earth Changes.
Earth Changes is a small part of my work and from the beginning it has been a small part.
Most of it has been about consciousness and how consciousness functions in metaphysics and how metaphysics forms reality and how it forms what society is and what society will be doing.
So it's been studying all of that and then seeing how we can interact with it and how we can bring about positive changes in consciousness.
Okay.
Gordon, you did predict some extremely ominous earth changes that did not occur, at least yet.
And, you know, what you said did affect many, many people, scared the hell out of a lot of people.
And I wonder if you have any thoughts, reflections on how you missed it, whether you misread it, whether it was something that was one of those things that could have happened and did not, or Now that you reflect on it, what do you think?
You know, I clearly missed it.
And, you know, as I started seeing those visions and sharing those visions in the 80s and then into the 90s, you know, we saw a pattern of things.
And I was given a whole series of events that would have occurred, which is like Northridge and different things and Mount St.
Helens.
And so, you know, That confidence level was that these things have happened that I've, you know, put in print would happen, and they did happen.
And so, it looked like the pattern was moving towards this time period.
And, unfortunately, you know, it's hard to pinpoint a date, but the pressure at that time for me was to, from everybody, was to, especially television, was to bracket a time period.
And I said, well, you know, the warning signs are here, and so the next warning sign It probably will be that we're going to see a splitting of the United States.
And so it was a case of just missing the date.
I don't at all believe that it has gone away.
That event is there.
There's too many people who have similar visions of that.
It's quite true.
It wasn't just me.
I may have been the first one out there, one of the first ones out there.
But there were many people, and we don't know each other, and didn't communicate with each other, but yet we were seeing the same thing.
So you don't think it's gone away?
You think you just missed the timeline?
I just did not understand the timeline.
I based it on things that would happen.
I had a whole series of events that were going to happen, and we published those events, and those events happened.
And so it led me to believe that, well, once these events occur, then this probably will occur.
Right.
And it just didn't.
I mean, the first thing that was supposed to happen was a tear in the west coast of the United States and a fracture line.
And so we did have a rift.
We had a 44-mile-hour tear exactly on that line, but it didn't go all the way.
It was just a small portion of it.
So, you know, it was a major miss.
On a forecast.
Okay.
Remote viewers do virtually the same thing, Gordon.
They take one event and say, well, I can see that when this event occurs, this following event that I'm forecasting is going to occur rather soon.
And as many times as not, they miss the timeline.
It's not an uncommon thing.
It's easier to predict things that deal with people than it is to deal with planetary things.
I can predict when oil was $23.
I can predict within a couple of months of when it was going to be $50.
Things like that are easier to do.
It's easier to look at that kind of a consciousness.
Alright, with that statement, then let's jump ahead to the economy.
Here we are in 2007, and everybody's very, very unsure about where our economy is headed.
I'm one of those.
Where do you think?
Well, this year, I predicted that it would be the beginning of the year.
This is the year we're going to start to see a decline in the economy.
And the decline is due to a couple of major factors.
One factor is the extreme personal debt that people have.
You know, credit card and auto loan.
That number is choking a horse now.
And then equity loans were tapped out.
And so those numbers, there's no way those numbers can be paid back.
Which means that either the banks are going to have to foreclose on everything or start writing things, writing that debt off.
If there is an economic slowdown, which I see coming, that will affect employment, then, you know, if people can't make their monthly payments on things, we start to see this slide.
So, this year, you know, we'll begin it.
You know, one of the benchmarks, I think, to watch out for is Gold at the $800 mark.
And that's kind of a signal that the decline has started.
Now, supposedly, if you listen to the government reports, we have no inflation now.
Unemployment is low, things are looking really rosy.
And I don't see that picture at all.
I know just when I go out, the normal services that I buy and use, they have escalated so much in the past year.
They certainly have.
As a matter of fact, I got quite a shock price-wise when I came back, and I'd only been gone for eight months to the Philippines.
When I got back, I went, wow!
A number of things, including the price of oil, had just gone through the roof.
Everybody here got it a little dose at a time.
I got it all at once when I got back.
And speaking of back, we'll get you on the phone with Gordon Michael Scallion coming next.
Well, we're all on the ride.
Maybe the issue is the quality of the ride.
And on that score, Gordon Michael Scallion has had a couple of suggestions so far that I consider to be really well worth trying out there in the audience.
All of you, give it a shot.
What do you have to lose?
If you're able to do it, move your bed 15 degrees east of north so that your head is At 15 degrees east of north.
And then beyond that, provide yourself with some Baroque music.
And then there's a third item, item of protection, an item of perhaps increasing your quality of life.
In a moment, we'll get to number three.
Here's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to keep repeating this, and then I'm going to assume, I think fairly, that a lot of you, or at least some of you, are going to try this.
And then what I'd like you to do is report back to me, and we're about to get the third item, but I want you to report back to me.
Email me, artbell at mindspring.com, artbell at aol.com, whatever.
And let me know if this really worked for you, and I'm sure that a lot of other people who can't get out, move the bed right now, or get the music or whatever, will be listening for the reports.
Gordon, there's a third item apparently.
What is it?
There is a third, but let me add something for people who can't move their bed for whatever reason.
You can try this too.
Find a room that you feel comfortable in and put a You know, if you have an air mattress, that would be great, or even if you had foam rubber or a comforter.
And lay down, and I found it's a really key time to do this, which is around 3 o'clock in the afternoon.
Lie down with your head to 15 degrees, and do that for maybe 15 or 20 minutes.
And as you're doing it, you're going to be obviously totally awake.
And then try to just become aware of your body, what it feels like.
And we've had some, you know, it's not as dynamic and as powerful, but at least you get a chance to feel that energy that I'm talking about.
And many times it'll help.
All right.
Now, the third thing is color.
I began experimenting with various pieces of glass, colored glass, like stained glass.
And I found that In the morning, early morning in particular, you know, sunrise, you know, where you can see the full sun above the horizon.
Just as it breaks above the horizon is actually the best time, but it could be anywhere from that time to, like, you know, maybe 10 o'clock.
And I found that I experimented with different color plates.
I started with greens, thinking that that was a healing color.
And that should work, and there was very little effect that I saw with that.
Basically, what you do is you sit in a chair by the window looking out where the sun would be, and then you have this piece of glass that's leaning up against the window or just hanging on the window so that the sunlight passes through the glass and then strikes you in the face, your body.
And you can be about three feet or six feet from the window.
And I finally found that The color indigo, and to give people an idea of just what indigo is, there's some water.
I can't remember the brand name, but if you go into a supermarket, you'll find some bottled water.
It's fairly expensive, and it's in these purple bottles.
And it's that color, that is the color.
In fact, you could take that bottle and use it as a... It's kind of purple?
Yeah, it's indigo.
The bottle I see, you know, people think it's a dark blue, blue-purple, but the color is actually indigo.
So, you know, if you have a computer, you can easily go and do a search and find out indigo and find out the color indigo.
You may have some trouble finding stained glass.
That color, so there's another option that I've experimented with.
You go to an art store that sells all kinds of plastic, thin sheets of plastic for art and crafts.
And if you look through there, they'll have blues and reds, and they'll have an indigo piece of plastic.
And you can put this, it's a very thin sheet, it's probably only a couple of mils, if that, and you just stick it on your window.
And these things come in sheets, the ones that I found in my art store were 11 by 17, which worked out really well.
But they probably have all kinds of sizes.
Another option is you go to a stained glass shop and just go in and say, I need a piece of stained glass that's indigo in color.
So there's different suppliers that you can find for this.
And then you put that in the window and you let that strike your body for about 20 minutes.
And again, being aware of how your body feels.
And if you do this faithfully, I found that there's a rhythmic cycle to the human body, and it's 28 days.
That I found if you do anything for 28 days, you can break any pattern.
You can establish a new pattern.
So, if you start this on day one and you do this for 28 consecutive days, the influence of this will become part of your orc's field.
What we're doing here is we're tuning up your etheric body, the orc body, and we're trying to To rid it of anything that would try to come in and cause harm to you.
It's a form of a protection by a tune-up.
Well, you know, all this sounds really sort of new-agey, but I've got this intuitive feeling that it works.
We've had hundreds of people of our membership try this, and they've had success, and it's well worth trying.
I mean, these are all You know, inexpensive or almost costing nothing, things to try.
Sure.
And, you know, there's no loss in it to give it a try.
Okay.
Your feedback idea is an excellent one.
Yeah, that's, well, that's the way I can decide for myself, I guess, and a lot of others will take the same path.
They probably won't go into it, but if I start getting a lot of emails saying, oh my God, it worked, then maybe we're really on to something, Gordon.
So it's worth a shot.
Yeah, feedback.
Heather in Spokane, Washington, you're on with Gordon.
Hi, Art.
I have a specific question when I do move my bed because the delineation of true magnetic north, is that where, because you know,
there's north and then your compass has a, it's about 15 to 18 degrees, are we to be pointing
the bed toward the magnetic north or true north?
You're to point it at 15 degrees, so if you were to take your compass, place your compass
in your bedroom, and then you rotate your compass until the needle points to north,
and that will be magnetic north of course.
So once you have that aligned in your room, you know exactly where magnetic north is,
then 15 degrees from that to the right of it is where you want your bed to point and
your head to point.
Okay, because usually you have to adjust your compass toward, you know, wherever you're
at in the United States, toward the magnetic north.
That's right.
Well, there's true north and magnetic north.
Your compass will tell you where magnetic north is.
Right.
And he's saying 15 degrees to the right or the east of that.
Okay.
Wow.
That's quite a bit more.
All right.
Great.
I'm going to try it.
Yeah.
Oh, good.
Okay.
We're going to try.
And how about the music and the light?
Does that make sense to you?
Yes, it actually does.
Me too.
As I'm listening to the show more, I definitely believe in vibrations.
I will try the music.
I'm a little lost, though, on how to obtain the colored glass a little bit, I guess, that he was just talking about.
I'll put up on my website all the information I have on that.
Give me a day or two to do that, and then it'll give you the things that I found and maybe some sources and some diagrams that might be more helpful to you.
Okay, good.
Now, the indigo sounds the toughest of the three.
Is there any one of the three that is quite a bit more important than the others?
You gave them sort of in order.
I take it the bed 15 degrees of north, east of north is probably the most important?
The night bed, your sleep state, I found to be the most powerful and the quickest results.
The other ones, the music requires, you know, a discipline of listening to it.
Sure, sure.
I tried putting a CD on a loop with Baroque music at night and tried playing it all night long thinking that maybe the combination of the two would work and that did not.
So the music worked best when you just need to meditate, you just need some quiet time.
And then the color is again, you know, something that requires 28 days for it to work.
Okay, that too makes sense.
Life in 28-day cycles.
Ann in Huntsville, Alabama.
You're on with Gordon Michael Scullion.
Hi.
Good evening, R. Hi, Gordon.
Hi.
How you doing, Ann?
I had a question for you.
Back in the 70s, we used to study the, you know, alpha meditation.
And... And... What?
No, no, no.
We've got to try to have one conversation at a time here.
Pardon me?
We've got to try to have one conversation here at a time.
Okay.
Somebody's talking to you in the background or something.
Yeah, okay.
I'm sorry.
During the Alpha Meditation, I became aware of a Matrix.
And they are now in this particular period saying divine matrix and I'm wondering if you know if there's
a difference or it's the same or is it just a exchange of words is it the
same thing I'm not sure what you mean by the matrix I didn't get that either
Although, I recall long ago in our interviews, Gordon, you began seeing geometric shapes.
Remember that?
Yeah, that's the new Earth grid matrix that's evolving as the Earth evolves, which it is now.
Earth is a consciousness and it's evolving just as we are evolving.
And so this pattern, they're kind of like the cells of the Earth, and they encompass the whole globe.
And they have a particular pattern to it, and that pattern has just been growing and growing and getting stronger.
In the ancient times, the sites like Stonehenge and Avebury and Egypt and different pyramids, the Great Pyramid, these were all located on these energy patterns, or they call them ley lines now.
They were part of a grid system of the Earth.
This is what I was referring to, that that grid is still present.
I've heard people define it as the divine grid, but it's the Earth's own cell system.
Okay, Gordon, I take it you're aware of all the recent flurry of investigation, scientific investigation I might add, into consciousness.
Is that an exciting area for you to watch?
It is, because it's where I started and continue down.
I mean, all of my workshops since the 80s have all been about metaphysics and consciousness, so it is exciting.
Because, you know, consciousness moves very slowly, you know, versus the few people that say something and everybody says, well, that's ridiculous, you know, that just is not possible.
And then, you know, little by little, we get more scientific background that kind of indicates that there's something going on.
Like, I can remember in the 80s, you know, talking about the magnetic body, and everybody says, you know, the scientific community says, that's not possible, that's not true.
And now, of course, we have the instruments to measure the magnetic body, and we know that there's this influence of this body, and we also now know that there's other bodies, but we don't know what they are.
So, consciousness moves that way, slowly, the few, then the many, and that's what's happening right now.
We're now to the next stage, the next race of people on this planet, our next evolution, is what I call the intuitive race, the intuitive society.
Where if we were to look ahead 100 years and see what people were like then, we would have a telepathic race.
And that's where consciousness is heading for.
Okay.
Well, we're certainly going down that path.
Carolyn in New York City, you're on with Gordon Michael Scallion.
Hi.
Do you mean Carolyn?
Well, C-A-R-O-L-Y-N is how they spelled it.
Oh, okay.
I didn't hear everything you said, but hi Art.
Thanks for taking my call.
And hi, Gordon.
Hi, Carolyn.
I'd like to thank you for a wonderful show.
You really touch on a lot of subjects that are really important.
And I kind of make two comments.
First of all, you gave me a really important piece to a puzzle.
You know, I, like you and a lot of listeners, kind of get messages or whatever you want to call them, and you often don't know immediately, you know, what they're really about.
And just last night, I kind of had something in a dream.
I'm not Biblical, I don't follow any organized religion, but I got briefly this message that Jesus built four wormholes.
I don't like the word wormhole, because of the sci-fi implications, but what you spoke about in terms of borderline areas with souls trapped, that kind of makes a lot of sense.
Maybe one of his purposes was to build exits for souls that were trapped?
In his words, if you look in the New Testament, one of the things that he did was possession.
He worked with people who were possessed and drove the evil spirits out.
And he also talked about that he would return.
He was really talking about The immortality of us and the fact that we return is part of reincarnation.
And that, you know, there is this war, and the war was going on then.
Revelation is really about this war that's going on, and it's been going on, and it's a war between, you know, the earth and the people and the physical and our minds and our brains here, and this borderland that is, you know, It's an opposite polarity at the lower levels.
Most of the people who are at that level aren't even aware that they're dead.
To them, this is just another reality that they're living, and it's flooded with a lot of negativity.
So the war, or this battle that's going on, is current.
It's not something that's going to happen, and it's been going on.
You know, depending on what plays out here on the earth, you know, in this century, will determine, I think, you know, what that borderland is like.
I would like to believe that sometime in the future that's going to be cleansed, that things are going to be, you know, as was prophesied by, you know, by Jesus and others.
Okay.
To Dennis in Phoenix.
You're on with Gordon.
Hi.
Yeah, good evening, gentlemen.
Good morning, actually.
I've seen these days coming.
I'm in my mid-fifties.
I saw these days coming since them coming over 30 years ago.
I've been trying to prepare for them.
Anyway, one afternoon I was looking for a safe area.
I have a question for you, Clark, about your map.
I was looking for a safe area, trying to reason one out.
Pretty much tired myself out trying to figure it out and fell asleep in a nap and was shown, in the dream, was shown a map of the southwest coast, the new southwest coast, where Phoenix and Tucson were on the coast.
Now, Gordon, I don't have your map.
I have Lori Toy's.
I hadn't seen yours or hers or anyone else's before I had this dream.
It was only afterwards that I found out that there have been others.
My question is simply, I saw Phoenix and Tucson on the new southwest coastline.
Is this what you've seen?
Yeah, this is the commonality.
Last count, I think there's in excess of 100 different maps out there.
And the very first map really wasn't a map, it was just information that Casey brought through.
And basically in his information he had said that there would be a great divide, that Mississippi uh... would widen to become a waterway and that the west
coast would would be overworked were uh... the new west coast will be
phoenix and so
you know he was like the first one but all of us have seen pieces of it but yes uh... the the the
west coast it happens in three areas
California gets split twice, and then the third split brings it to the New West Coast.
So you really haven't changed in what you're saying about Earth changes, have you?
No, not at all.
I still see the same visions have not changed.
If it hasn't changed for 25 years, I have to assume that I may be wrong on the date, but at some point in time we're going to see this.
And there's too many other people who are seeing things just like Dennis.
And he had this dream, showed him the same thing.
So it's happening with individuals, not just map producers.
Very good point.
All right, Gordon.
Hold it right there.
Gordon Michael Scallion is my guest.
If you have a question, you should know the portal numbers.
If not, we'll repeat them for you shortly.
I'm Art Bell.
Here I am, Gordon Michael Scallion is my guest.
Perhaps it's just a slight adjustment of the ride.
I want everybody to be very clear about this.
Gordon is suggesting adjusting your bed, or your sleeping or even awake self, So that you're lying 15 degrees east of north, i.e.
get a compass, find out where north is, adjust your bed 15 degrees to the right or to the east of north, and that's where you will sleep, with your head pointed toward 15 degrees east of north.
Your head.
Then beyond that, music.
Baroque music, if you can find it during the day, time perhaps when you're relaxing, and finally color.
A filter, the sun coming through a window, the early morning sun, through Something indigo colored and spend some time in that color.
These are all easy, relatively easy, simple adjustments you can make.
And then I want feedback.
I really want to hear from you.
Send me an email.
Artbell at Minespring.com.
Artbell at AOL.com.
Let me know if any one or all of these work for you.
Gordon Michael Scallion back in a moment.
I know full well these things sound kind of new-agey, but I have this really strong, intuitive feeling that they work.
So we'll find out from those who decide to give it a try.
Right now, back to the phones, and let's see, I guess we'll make it the third wildcard line.
It looks as though Michael in San Jose has been waiting quite a while.
Michael, welcome.
Well, thank you very much, Art.
Our first-time caller, long-time listener.
And Art, first question I have for Gordon, and hi Gordon, how are you?
Hi Michael.
Gordon, first of all, in your defense, some of your predictions way back in the early 90s, in your defense, I understand your earth change thing that you said some things came wrong, but if you'll remember, and I think Art will because I was listening to the show way back then, about the buildings that were falling, the glass shards and debris from the buildings, I think that was pretty reminiscent of what happened on 9-11.
So, the visions you saw with that, I think, were pretty right on about that particular vision that you did see.
Well, it was the other coast.
Oh, on the West Coast, Art?
Yes, it was.
Oh, because I kept, everyone was listening tonight and hearing that and thinking, I wonder if that was something similar to what you had seen.
Yeah, it was similar in the sense that, you know, glass, but no, it was definitely the West Coast, and specifically it was Los Angeles.
Okay, my question to you, Gordon, you're hitting on some colors and some meditations that are very close to, and I think, I don't know if you're getting this from that, but the chakra system of the body, when you talk about the energy centers of the body on the chakra systems, a lot of times I do my meditation, a lot of people that are into this New Age thinking, I know Art knows what we're talking about here, about to enhance your connection with the other realms like, You're using the same type of colors, and I can't wait, Art, to try this out, as what Gordon has already talked about.
I'd like to, I will try this out, and I totally agree with Gordon that that three o'clock in the afternoon time frame seems to be a, I don't know what it is for other people that are listening, but a very high-pitched time for me to do my meditations and to get calm and to listen to this music.
I haven't tried the music that Gordon has talked about, but I'm going to try that.
Good.
I will expect a report.
Thank you very much.
And Carrie in Needles, California, you're on the air with Gordon.
I can hardly believe I finally got to talk to Art Bale and Gordon Michael Scallion, two of the people that I've really listened to for quite a while.
Thank you.
I was just wondering, Mr. Scallion, how do you feel about God.
Do you believe there's a God?
Yeah, absolutely.
There's no question.
As you get more into metaphysics, as you begin to see that, you know, people tend to separate science from God, you know, but yet it's all the same.
And, you know, right now I happen to have a lot of young grandchildren, and so I spend a lot of time with them.
And I find that, you know, I'm totally different than I was, you know, 20 years ago.
You know, when I go out with them and they ask me what, you know, a flower is, or what something is, or an animal is, you know, I see that God in it.
You know, I see it everywhere.
20 years ago, I didn't see it at all.
You know, I was blind.
So, the simple answer to your question is, yes, there is a creator.
That's quite a change for you, Gordon.
Well, I think the out-of-body experience in 1979 got me started, and then I went into a period of denial, where I was just terrified of what I was experiencing.
And then, you know, I had a religious background.
Very strong, you know.
I was the altar boy, you know.
I went to church every day of the year.
I never missed any days.
And so I had the religious background, but it didn't have the awareness.
I didn't have this, what I would call, higher consciousness awareness.
And when that happens, something changes in you.
Now, it took a long time for that to finally, you know, take hold of me.
You know, because I, you know, as a, you know, you and I have similar backgrounds in electronics and communications.
So, you know, I tended to try to database what I was experiencing.
So I was into the linear part of it, but not into the right hemisphere, you know, and that took some time.
And then finally, when it did catch hold, you know, I, you know, Religion was more of a linear thing for me, and then when I had the experience, it merged it.
I was then able to take both the understanding of my religious background, along with science, and put them together and say, wow, this is a thing called consciousness, and this consciousness is spirituality.
Gordon, I hope that reincarnation is real.
My complaint about reincarnation always was that, of what use is it since you have no conscious memories of it, and I've come to understand that You have a subconscious memory of it, and there is some good to reincarnation.
My complaint, though, is we begin to get this wisdom and such a greater, deeper understanding of spiritual things as we get older.
And then we die, and it's gone.
I mean, all this maturing, all this deeper understanding that we acquire as we get older is suddenly gone.
So, the only hope for it meaning anything is reincarnation.
Well, you know, I've been fortunate that I've been able to do some serious work in reincarnation.
I mean, very serious work.
Not only with myself in trance states, but I've been able to work with other people.
And so for me, you know, reincarnation is just like breathing air.
I don't question it at all.
And what I've learned is that, you know, what we learn in one life, we apply in another life.
Or what we have done that is good in one life helps us in another.
And what we have done wrong, you know, we get an opportunity to balance it off.
When we're in the physical world, we should be in the physical world.
We should be living in the physical.
The spiritual world and the world hereafter, if we do enough right things in this life, it's going to take care of itself.
And to dwell on it, I tend to agree with you.
I don't think we should dwell on it unless there's some aspect of it that would help us to understand.
You know, there have been some karmic issues in my life.
A classic one, and it's in my book, too, is that I had chronic asthma when I was born, and then I finally learned what caused it, and then in 82, I had an out-of-body experience, and I understood why I had chronic asthma, and I was told in this out-of-body experience, if I would just do a certain thing, it would simply go away.
And within 24 hours, my chronic asthma was gone.
You know, so I confronted it, I understood it, and then it simply ceased.
You know, my family did not, you know, they couldn't even believe it because they remember, you know, staying up with me at nights and going to the doctor for injections and the inhaler the whole nine yards.
That just went away in 24 hours.
So to me it's very real and to me there can be some benefits if we explore it correctly.
Jim in Michigan, you're on with Gordon Michael Scullion.
Hey Art and Gordon, I got something important to tell you.
This affects your map.
Project Horizon, it was on Tuesday night with George, says that the galaxy is going to be passed through by our solar system.
It's going to create a gravity wave that's going to flatten everything by the year 2012.
I think that's what your map is talking about.
It's going to move the equator up to Kansas or someplace like that.
I'm not familiar with the Horizon Project, but as you describe it with the gravity wave, there's a thing called the precession of the equinoxes.
It's a cycle that lasts about 23,000 years or so, and it's how we move astrologically from one sign to the next, from Pisces to Aquarius and so forth.
And so, if you can visualize our Sun system and our Earth going through this big elliptical orbit, and when we're at the extremes of that orbit, which we are right now, there is a great pulling, especially if you get enough planets, the slower moving planets, the outer planets, you know, the Jupiter and Saturn, and you get them on one side of the Sun and the Earth and the other side of the Sun at this cycle, it does produce these great, intense waves.
And so I have no difficulty with what you're saying as being a possibility.
I don't know about the date, and I don't know about the equator portion, but in theory, I have no difficulty with it at all.
Okay.
Tyler in Vancouver, Canada.
You're on with Gordon.
Hey, Gordon.
Hi, Tyler.
I'm actually a music theory student, and I was wondering if we could discuss for a sec your ideas on Baroque music.
Do you really have an idea as to why it has the effect that it does have?
I believe that if we look at Bach, and as a student, I'm sure you've been exposed to it, and I don't know how severe, but I believe that he, you know, we can use the old 80s analogy of channeling.
I believe he literally channeled this music, and this music is what I would call music of the spheres.
It's written in such a way That these notes literally electrify the human body.
It's a tune-up process.
That's the only way I can describe it.
I think that's the key to it.
I've played it on vinyl records.
I've played it on digital music.
I've even gone to live concerts.
And in the order of the effectiveness, the live concert was the most effective.
And I assume that's because the vibrations of all the instruments were right there.
Can I add something to that?
Sure.
Because I've actually studied quite a bit of music theory, and I mean, I'm not saying I know exactly why it has this effect, but I do have sort of an idea as to why it might.
And if you look at Baroque music, how it's constructed, it's actually One would say that it's exploring the pure musical relationships.
If you know what a scale is, it's built on what's something called the harmonic series.
And these are naturally occurring relationships between notes, and that's what we base our scales on in the Western tradition.
And so, in the time period of Bach, the music around that time was exploring these ratios in a much more pure way than, say, Beethoven or Or Mozart, or Wagner, or Stravinsky, where they started to actually explore ideas of breaking these rules, and going in the opposite direction that nature wants these fundamental ratios to go in.
So, Bach, at that time, was actually... I mean, when you listen to that music, you're being flooded, literally flooded, with natural ratios, with ratios and mathematical fundamentals that occur in nature all around you.
And definitely that's going to have an effect on you.
In the end, it's all mathematics.
It really is.
Everything can be broken down mathematically.
If we look at our human body, and we look at all the electrical impulses that are going on, and all the different frequencies that are going on.
I hear what you're saying, and it helps me understand it a little bit better.
I know that only from the results end of it, But not so much the theory end of it.
So it's good to hear it.
I really have a feeling this stuff is going to work.
And I have this feeling I'm going to get a lot of feedback that says it works.
We'll see.
Michelle in Chicago.
You're on with Gordon Michael Scalion.
Hi.
Hi.
Good morning, Eric.
Good morning, Gordon.
Good morning, Michelle.
Gordon, I had two questions, if possible, if time permits.
But the first question is, I was really interested in knowing what you felt about it.
It was on the Coast to Coast website, actually, about the blue star.
And it's about an object that is actually made up of these light beings that appear in the sky.
And I was wondering if it had a question that related very quickly to a dream, a very quick dream, if it relates to potential future events that, I don't know if it relates to light directly, that you're describing, but it was like disks, light chips or something, not light chips, but silvery disks, a craft, appearing, many of them, appearing in Israel, actually, in Haifa, Israel, where the Baha'i Gardens are.
And they were there, in several bundles of these We're looking for people in the world.
They were trying to, in this dream, find people, take them up in it.
They were just innumerable disks in the sky.
Do you know anything about this, Gordon?
The blue star I know about, because I did a paper on that.
The dream, I don't think, relates to the blue star, specifically.
I think the dream relates to, as all dreams do, they relate to us and our
journey and things that we're feeling today and trying to help guide us.
And they also give us insights into the probable future in our lives.
UFOs are a common dream symbol today.
If we look back at dream journals from the 30s and 40s, we don't see it.
We see it after the 40s big time.
So the blue star is like, in a way I can describe it, it was like the three wise men coming
and the star appeared.
And, you know, the blue star is kind of like a sign, if you will, a sign in the heavens of higher consciousness, of evolution, or of a greater coming, you know, the prophesied coming.
So, you know, the UFO thing is very real today.
We have, because we have so many little portable video recorders out there, we're capturing everything.
And someday, you know, the truth of all this will come out.
And hopefully it'll be sooner rather than later.
I hope so.
I really hope so.
And I hope it's in some repetitive way that science cannot ignore.
Chris in New Mexico, you're on with Gordon Michael Scallion.
Hi.
Hi Art.
Hi Michael.
I'm glad I can get on the air.
Okay, my question is, can Michael see a little bit like Edgar Cayce used to?
Are you there?
Yeah, I'm here.
Okay, sorry.
Can you see a little bit like Edgar Cayce used to when people are sick and what conditions they have?
I don't know if you can do that on the air, but that's another story.
Yeah, you're talking about seeing the auroras or the vibrations that are given off by the endocrine glands of the body.
These glands, these ductless glands, they're called integrin.
They're also known as the chakras.
There are seven of them.
And the combinations of those give off this aura which has colors.
And by studying the colors, you can determine what a person's physical makeup might be, or his mental makeup, or his spiritual makeup.
And these are constantly in a state of change.
And as a person gets into a state of dis-ease, The colors become muted, because the endocrine glands that are keeping the body healthy are starting to decline.
And so, we see muted colors, and then these colors eventually get very gray-like.
And then, of course, if it continues that way, you know, it doesn't.
Seeing auras used to be a big deal.
You know, it was, you know, very few people.
Now, it's, you know, it's very easy to see auras.
You know, there's some simple exercises you can do to see them.
And develop them.
Most people, you know, just assume not to have that ability.
It can be very distracting.
Well, it's going to have to be a subject for another program, which I am sure we will do.
In the meantime, you certainly have given us lots of food for thought, Gordon.
Thank you for being here this night, my friend.
You bet.
Have a good night and take care.
Sorry folks, we're utterly out of time.
But these were all good suggestions.
I hope some of you will try it and report to me.
I'm artbell at mindspring.com or artbell at aol.com.
It has been my pleasure being with you through this weekend and I look forward to the next.
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