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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon.
		As it may be, wherever you are around the globe, all our time zones, every single one of them, covered like a blanket by this program, Coast to Coast A.M. It is my honor and privilege to be continuing to escort you through the weekend.
		Let's look at the news.
		And actually, there's not a depressing thing, or is there, depending, I guess, on your point of view as the first item.
		Only in America do you get a football story as a lead item.
		A comeback.
		A drive.
		A legacy.
		And yes, finally.
		Peyton Manning gets his Super Bowl trip.
		So does Tony Dungy.
		Football's most prolific quarterback put on a show for the ages today, rallying the Indianapolis Colts from 18 points down.
		Don't think that's ever happened before in this kind of playoff game.
		Driving them 80 yards for the winning score and a wildly entertaining 38-34 victory over the New England Patriots.
		Sorry, New England, but you did whip, and you shouldn't have whooped the San Diego Chargers.
		Can't say I'm sorry.
		In his nine years in the league, Manning has never played in a game like this AFC Championship contest.
		There you go.
		He threw for 349 yards, one touchdown, brought his team back from a 21-3 deficit.
		That makes it the biggest comeback.
		There you go, in conference title game history.
		Iraq's prime minister has dropped his protection of an anti-American cleric's Shiite militia after U.S. intelligence convinced him the group was infiltrated by death squads.
		That's according to two officials on Sunday in a desperate bid to fend off an all-out American offensive.
		The radical cleric Friday ordered the 30 lawmakers and six cabinet ministers under his control to end their nearly two-month boycott of the government.
		They were, in fact, back at their jobs Sunday.
		Police and federal agents extended the search to Chicago on Sunday for four children and their mother, whose ex-boyfriend authorities say shot a man, kidnapped them in Indiana the day before.
		Authorities have issued an amber alert, said the children and their mother, 31-year-old Kimberly N. Walker, were in extreme danger.
		And of course, the Chicago Bears know how to make a Super Bowl memorable.
		They're making this one historic long before it's played.
		Dissed all season long, Rex Grossman and Company are heading to the big game for the first time since 85 after rolling over New Orleans 39-14.
		So, that should make it a very interesting Super Bowl, I would expect.
		A year after warning America of its addiction to oil, President Bush is expected to renew concerns about security in his State of the Union address.
		But will the rhetoric be followed by action?
		Up until now, the record has been somewhat mixed.
		AIDS hint of a major pronouncement on energy in the speech before Congress and the nation Tuesday night yet.
		The president is expected to take a predictable path, urging expanded use of ethanol and gas, more research and cleaner burning coal, and on gas, electric, hybrid cars, and, of course, nuclear energy.
		The Taliban said they're going to open their own schools in areas of southern Afghanistan under the group's control in apparent effort to win support among local residents, then as well undermine the Western-backed government's efforts to expand education.
		Just what we need.
		President Hugo Chavez told U.S. officials to go to hell.
		Go to hell, gringos, actually, is the precise quote.
		Go to hell, gringos, and called Secretary of State Condoliser Rice, missy.
		On his weekly radio and TV show Sunday, missy.
		Lashing out at Washington void he called unacceptable meddling in Venezuelan affairs.
		The tirade came after Washington raised concerns about a measure to grant the fiery leftist leader broad lawmaking powers.
		The National Assembly, which is controlled by the president's political allies, is expected to give final approval this week to what it calls the enabling law, which would give Chavez the authority to pass a series of laws by decree during an 18-month period.
		The footage is indeed shocking.
		A man lies screaming on the floor of a police station as officers sodomize him with a wooden pole.
		Compounding that shock, it turns out it was the police who made the film, and then they transmitted it to the cell phones of the victim's friends to humiliate him.
		All in Cairo, Egypt.
		In a moment, as Paul, I believe, does say, the rest of the story.
		Well, all right, John J. Harper is coming at the top of the hour.
		We're going to take calls, though, open lines, here in just a few moments.
		Now, last night I read you what I consider, and Whitley Strieber considers, an extremely important story.
		Now, I think that I found the source of that story, and I want you to hear some of it because it's going to relate to what we're going to talk about tonight.
		A headline, superstorm sweeps northern hemisphere after massive solar blasts.
		By the way, it was snowing in Phoenix.
		Phoenix today.
		Russian scientists have become very alarmed this past week after an unprecedented massive superstorm hit the northern hemisphere of our planet, causing widespread destruction and death.
		From record windstorms assaulting northern Europe and the British Isles, to the destruction of California's citrus crops, to the devastating snow and ice storms still assaulting the North American continent, from the Gulf of Mexico to the Canadian prime maritime provinces,
		At no time in recorded history, at least according to Russian scientific reports, has our world ever experienced such catastrophic weather on such a global scale over such a short period of time.
		The director of Russia's Plova Observatory, doctor scientist Halberto Abduzumov, I believe it is, has further blamed this superstorm on what he says was the massive electrical imbalance created by the interaction of the Red Cow Comet, which is currently transversing our inner solar system and our sun, which on January 15th caused a massive solar flare on the far side of the sun.
		It was really big.
		The doctor scientist has further warned that Western scientists and governments are keeping from their citizens the full extent and dangers of our Earth's rising temperatures, and which the West continues to blame on human activity, raising the levels of greenhouse gases, but which the Dr. Scientist states is actually due to the imbalances of our own sun.
		He further warns that not only is our own Earth heating up, but also the other planets in the solar system, and which the greatest long-term danger lies not in our world continuing to heat up, but instead for massive cooling to begin overtaking us.
	And he's been quoted as saying, global warming results not from the emission of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, but from an unusually high level of solar radiation and a lengthy almost throughout the last century growth in its intensity.
	It is no secret that when they go up, temperatures in the world's oceans trigger the emission of large amounts of carbon dioxide into our atmosphere.
	So the common view that man's industrial activity is a deciding factor in global warming has emerged from a misinterpretation of cause and effect relations.
	Ascribing greenhouse effect properties to the Earth's atmosphere is not scientifically substantiated, says he.
	Heated greenhouse gases, which become lighter as a result of expansion, ascend to the atmosphere only to give the absorbed heat away.
	Instead of professed global warming, the Earth, he says, will be facing a slow decrease in temperatures in 2012 to 2015.
	The gradual falling amounts of solar energy expected to reach their bottom level by 2040 will inevitably lead to a deep freeze around 2055 to 60.
	He said, adding the period between the period rather of global freeze will last about 50 years, after which temperatures will go up again.
	Supporting the scientists' research was the virtually what was unreported in the west stoppage of the Gulf Stream waters of the Atlantic Ocean on December 11th.
	It lasted for eight days, ending on December 19th, which saw this massive ocean current turn suddenly to the south from its normal pattern towards northern European waters.
	These reports further detail that should the Gulf Stream waters cease flowing to Europe altogether, a catastrophic situation would overtake the continent, causing massive crop failures and the mass migrations of Europeans to the southern nations of the European Union.
	Of all these events, perhaps no nation is to be more affected than the United States after their massive loss of California crops, and which is on top of the massive crop failures they experienced this past summer.
	And as we had previously reported on our August 26th report titled, Devastation Looms as the U.S. Economy Implodes Amidst Near Total Crop Failures in North America.
	More disturbing, however, remains the propaganda media clampdown imposed on the American people by their military leaders and who believe that by keeping the truth of the dire state of our world in what they will avert mass panic, some of this is in the translation, before they are ready to institute full police state measures against their citizens.
	Well, I don't know about that, but I suppose there would be a clampdown.
	The greatest danger, therefore, for these people remains that without sufficient knowledge of what will happen, they will remain what they are now, unprepared and ignorant of the true dangers facing them.
	So in other words, this top Russian scientist feels that our own sun, not greenhouse gases, are responsible for the change in weather.
	And I personally don't know.
	I watched a little bit earlier on the weather channel.
	Apparently, the chief meteorologist of the weather channel had put together a blog, which was highly controversial, in which she commented on the obviously changing weather, and she caught hell for it.
	Absolute hell for it.
	But she too ascribed it to not the sun in her case, but the carbon emissions from all of us.
	I guess I'll put it that way.
	At any rate, she really caught it.
	And so not all scientists are yet on board, but one thing does seem clear.
	It's occurring.
	The weather is changing.
	It snowed today in Phoenix.
	Big, heavy flakes in Phoenix.
	So we're going through it.
	What's causing it?
	We can debate until the last crop, the last bit of citrus is gone in California.
	Went to the grocery after the show last night.
	We actually went to the grocery store.
	Now, that's something Erin is not used to.
	And most people, I suppose, are not.
	But here in Nevada, most grocery stores and restaurants remain open 24 Hours a day.
	So at 3 o'clock in the morning, we went shopping and we looked for some things you might expect to be on the shelves, and they were not.
	We were told by the grocer that it was because of the massive crop failures in California.
	So there you have it.
	By the way, the webcam photo remains my three furry ones.
	My little Filipino adoptee has got a cold.
	Now, I guess cats catch colds like anybody else, but she is sneezing.
	So I suppose cats, like human beings, getting on an airplane and having to fly from one side of the world to the other, and they really made a trip going through Europe, then all the way across.
	Actually, I suppose they came over the pole to get to L.A. Anyway, however, they got here from Europe and then the far Pacific Southeast Asia.
	It's a long trip.
	And I generally get colds.
	No exception this time.
	I have one.
	I'm working on one right now.
	But she has been sneezing.
	So I suppose if it keeps up, off to the vet.
	With her, we will go.
	All right, let us begin seeing what awaits in the night.
	One never knows.
	First time caller line, James in Kansas.
	You're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm quite well.
unidentified		Man, I just want to say it's an honor to actually be speaking with you.
		Thank you.
		I've been a listener since I was probably, oh, 17.
		But I want to talk to you about something I seen once, a couple five years ago.
		And a friend of mine was actually with me.
		He seen the same thing.
		It was a silhouette.
		It looked like it was dark out, and we were standing around a truck.
		You know, Oswati, Kansas is a very small town.
		We was out in the fields.
		And I seen this, what appeared to be like a silhouette of a helicopter.
		And, you know, I looked at it, and I didn't think nothing of it.
		Went back to talk to my friend, and my brain processed.
		I was like, that's not right.
		What you just seen is not right.
		There's no noise, and it just didn't look right.
		And I looked back at it and pointed it out to my friend Josh.
		He's like, yeah, what is that?
		And it shifted shapes.
		And what, you know, I've seen other people talk about this on TV shows and kind of drew what I seen, and it just kind of moved around and it took off.
		And we were like, wow.
		And I didn't know if you knew anything about that.
		Has anybody ever talked to you about something like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, they haven't.
		Well, I mean, I've heard a little bit, James, about shape-shifting stuff, but it occurs to me that if you're an alien craft and you're observing Earth, what better way could there be to do it other than shape-shifting and turning yourself into a traditional aircraft?
		Something that nobody would be alarmed at seeing.
		For example, a helicopter.
		So if you could shapeshift, if you could make yourself into something that nobody would be alarmed at seeing, well, we all know if you look up and see a saucer flitting across the sky at unreasonable speeds, you're going to get noticed.
		But if you look like a helicopter, nobody's going to give you a second look.
		Do we ever consider, or a 747 traversing the sky with a little bit of trail behind it, 40,000 feet?
unidentified		Nobody'd notice that, would they?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But a saucer?
		Oh, yes.
		West of the Rockies in Phoenix, where I hear it snowed.
unidentified		Kirk.
		You know what?
		It's Kurt, C-U-R-T, Kurt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Hey, can I ask you where you would go if you time traveled and then I tell you where I'd go?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where would you come to the traveling?
		Yeah, I've said many times.
		And by the way, she typed K-I-R-K.
		I'm sorry, Kurt.
		I would go back to the time.
		Yes.
		You've listened, so you already knew.
unidentified		I know, but I just wanted to hear you say it again.
unidentified		I haven't heard you for a long time say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would want to know, look, we've got the Bible.
		We all know about Jesus.
		Would I want to see it with my own eyes?
		Man, you bet.
		How about you?
		Kirk?
		Where'd you go, Kirk?
unidentified		1963, and I would be at the fence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, start again.
		Kirk, hold it, hold it, hold it.
		Kirk, Kirk, stop.
		Okay.
		Somebody didn't pot you up or had you potted down.
		So start again.
		I want to know where you would go if you were to time travel.
unidentified		November 22nd, 1963.
		I would pop over there and be on the grassy knoll and that Lincoln Continental with Jackie waving.
		Dude, I would kick ass behind that fence there.
		If there are people up there with guns, they'll be all kicked ass.
		I would.
		And they wouldn't do that to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Okay, well, he's gone.
		What if you got to the grassy knoll and there was nobody there?
		I mean, that's kind of like the Bible in a way.
		What if I got all the way back to the time of Jesus and nothing was as written?
		How disappointing would that be?
		Mark, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good evening.
		How are you?
		Good evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Hey, I wanted to throw this at you.
		I know that you're into the whole spooky action at a distance issue.
		Yes.
		You're familiar with the EPR paradox?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		EPR?
unidentified		Einstein, Podolsky, Rosen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, yes, okay.
unidentified		That's the thing that, you know, they said basically, hey, let's bounce these electrons, spinning electrons away from each other, and if we flip one and the other one flips faster than the speed of light could go in between.
		Well, I have this theory.
		They basically talk a lot about the fact that, or their theory that you can't communicate information if you do such a thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Apparently not.
unidentified		But here's the thing.
		If you were to have an alien species that would travel throughout space or sprinkle out throughout their travels von Neumann probes, which are basically set up Nearby possible planets or planets that could have life in the future so that if anything happened, they would send a signal back home.
		Which, you know, straight out of 2001, a space odyssey, as far as well, here's the thing: you may not be able to transmit information, you may not be able to tap out a Morse code and say, hey, there's humans here, we should come here and kick your butts.
		But if anything was to happen, and if that device was to pick up, say, a nuclear explosion in 1945 or something along those lines, that device, if it had been left there, if when it was created by those alien beings who left it on this planet, if it was created in association with other devices so that they all had the sort of co-entangled electrons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I get where you're going.
		I want you to listen after the break, buddy, because I've got something for you coming up right after the break, right down the road you were going down.
		I just happen to have it sitting right here.
		What an incredible coincidence.
		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I'm Art Bell.
		Well, all right, this is as promised for my last caller.
		It ranks among the most enduring mysteries of the cosmos.
		Physicists call it the Fermi paradox after Italian Nobel laureate Enrico Fermi, who back in 1950 pointed out the glaring conflict between predictions that life was elsewhere in the universe and the conspicuous lack of, well, aliens who've come to visit.
		Now, a Danish researcher believes he may have solved the paradox.
		Extraterrestrials have yet to find us because they, well, just haven't had enough time to look.
		Using a computer simulation of our own galaxy, the Milky Way, a physicist at the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen proposed that a single civilization might build eight intergalactic probes, launch them on missions to search for life.
		Once on their way, each probe would send out eight more mini-probes, which would head for the nearest stars that look for habitable planets.
		Mr. Bohr confined the probes to search only solar systems in what is called the galactic habitable zone of the Milky Way.
		That would be where solar systems are close enough to the center to have the right elements necessary to form rocky, life-sustaining planets that are far enough out to avoid being struck by asteroids, seared by stars, or frazzled by bursts of radiation.
		We found that even if the ships could hurtle through space at a tenth of the speed of light, that would be about 30,000 kilometers a second, NASA's current Cassini mission to Saturn is plodding along at 32 kilometers a second, it would take 10 billion years, roughly half the age of the universe, to explore 4% of the galaxy.
		His study is reported in the prestigious New Scientist Today.
		Like humans, alien civilizations could shorten the time to find extraterrestrials by picking up TV and radio broadcasts that might leak from colonized planets.
		Even then, unless they can develop an exotic form of transport that gets them all across the galaxy in about two weeks, it's still going to take millions of years to find us.
		He said there are so many stars in the galaxy that probable life could exist everywhere, elsewhere.
		But will we ever get in contact with them?
		Not, he says, in our lifetime.
		We'll be right back.
		And now, back to the lines.
		It's Andy in Wisconsin on Wildcard Line.
		Hi, Andy.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Okay, I just wanted to bring up, in the beginning of your show, you had mentioned about the Weather Channel's meteorologist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		That said she caught Hal for her comments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		But what actually happened was the reason for this was that she was actually bringing up comments about censoring other scientists that did not necessarily agree with her viewpoint that man is causing this.
		She was stating that anyone who would believe that man has no influence in the global warming process that's going on should be censored.
		And that's why she was getting it because, I mean, it's got to raise an eyebrow when you have a scientist not wanting commentary or inquiry on all different aspects of what could be causing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What raises my eyebrows is when the scientists are welcome to have whatever view they want, but when our government begins to censor the scientists, then I get scared.
unidentified		Exactly.
		But a lot of the people were writing in on that blog because of her comments about that.
		And then I have one other comment if you have time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
unidentified		Okay.
		We had just brought up about the alien presences on other, or life elsewhere in the universe.
		And I would see it this way.
		This is the first time that I actually hear, I mean, again, the scientific community comes out and makes statements like, for instance, like, quote, you know, it would be stupid, we hear it all the time, it would be stupid to believe that we're alone in the universe and so on.
		And I mean, it could be that we aren't.
		But for a scientist to make that type of comment or opinion, I think, goes against the scientific method.
		I mean, it would be like this.
		Right now, that's all that I know is there's one Art Bell out there.
		And until you meet another you, like if you came across another you, you can extrapolate to, well, there's two of us, so there could be many of us.
		Until that, we have to say that Art Bell is unique.
		And that could be with life in general.
		Until we actually find life or evidence of life on another planet, so on, other than anecdotal evidence, we have to, or it would be safe to assume, that we are unique.
		And the only way, I mean, to make it a problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you see, I don't know.
unidentified		To make it scientific.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are mathematical approaches to this that are very scientific, that say there almost has to be life out there.
unidentified		But then would there almost have to be another art bell out there?
		Because there are billions and billions of stars.
		Who is To say that you are not unique, the only way we can say that is because we only have evidence of one you.
		You follow what I'm saying, though.
		And I'm not saying there isn't life on other planets, but I don't think we can't lower our scientific methodology to just be like, well, it would be stupid not to believe that there's life elsewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but I mean, isn't that like going out a little west of Hawaii and looking at the ocean as far as you can see and saying, look, I can only see out there.
		Therefore, there's only water out there.
		And until I see water past there, I can't believe and can't know there is water past there.
unidentified		Exactly.
		And before we actually did exploration, and we were very European-centric at the time, we were at least, we did not necessarily have any scientific reason to believe that there would be necessarily life in, say, the new country in the Americas.
		Once we did make that exploration and find out, now we can extrapolate and say, well, there's life on other continents, therefore, there's probably life on another continent.
		And until we can actually do that from another planet, I don't think that we can necessarily scientifically be honest with ourselves and say that, yes, there has definitely got to be life on other planets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, if you look at probabilities, the probabilities are there is life out there.
unidentified		But the probabilities have to be based upon actually seeing if there is, because there could be unique.
		If we use probabilities, the probabilities would say that if the universe is infinite, with an infinite amount of different areas you can go, there could possibly be another art bell out there.
		But I wouldn't believe that until we actually found one.
		And if we did find one, then I can extrapolate and say, you know what, there could be a billion art bells out there.
		You see what I'm saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I wish you wouldn't use me as an analogy, but I'm not sure.
unidentified		I'll use me, another Andy out there.
unidentified		But until I actually have evidence of that, I cannot make that type of comment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		I hear what you're saying.
		I don't agree with it.
		I think that lacking the scientific evidence, one way or the other, all we can do is operate on probabilities.
		I mean, we do know some things on which to base those probabilities.
		We know there are an infinite number of suns, or, if you will, stars.
		We now know around those stars, probably most, if not all of them, or the majority of them, there are planets rotating.
		So given those numbers, it's fair to work with probabilities with regard to the possibility of life.
		God, I hope we're not alone.
unidentified		Don't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't it be somehow tragic, and wouldn't it feel awfully lonely if the final conclusion was we honestly are totally alone?
		Wouldn't that be a little much?
		International line, Mike in Ontario.
unidentified		Hi, Mr. Bell.
		Thanks for having me.
		And excuse my scratchy throat.
		I'm feeling a little under the weather today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, like our cat.
unidentified		Our weather's erratic up here in Ontario as well.
unidentified		We had a late winter, and it started in mid-January, like two weeks ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry to hear that.
		I don't think that, you know, I have so many people tell me, including my own wife, that it's cold that causes colds.
		Well, it's not.
		It's viruses.
		But I suppose cold can make you a little more susceptible to a virus.
unidentified		It depletes your immune system.
		These climactic changes we're having, I've been pondering these thoughts about maybe some causes what would stimulate it.
		Mars passing by at its closest point in 60,000 years keeps coming back to me.
		And what about a tractor pull effect on the Earth that would bring it slightly closer to the sun?
		Not enough to burn it to a crisp, but more than less than the 98 million miles of the orbit that we've had for quite some time.
		And maybe it is a cycle that we're going through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think there's been any measurable change in our orbit.
unidentified		Well, I've heard people even say to me the sun seems a little bigger these days or it seems like it's not coming from east to west in the exact same position in the sky as it used to.
unidentified		But I'm talking about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My wife sure noticed that.
		She got here to North America and she said, my God, the sun is just, it's not really coming up.
		It's just going from one little corner over to the other.
unidentified		Wow, my dad just mentioned it, too, eh?
		Well, okay, how about an axis tilt?
		How about an axis tilt, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, I think these are easily measured things, and I don't think we're...
unidentified		Yeah, but say a planetary body would have enough gravitational pull, the mass itself, not enough to pull it out of the orbit, but to just pull it along slightly, and this happens every 60,000 years and maybe triggers an ice age.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what.
unidentified		I don't know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You listen to my guest coming at the top of the hour, and I think he'll make a pretty strong case for what the sun is doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right?
unidentified		Wow.
		Thanks, Aaron.
		You know what?
		I wish I had more time to spend with you.
		This is great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		That was funny.
		That really was humorous.
		When Erin got here, she went outside in the middle of the day, which, of course, is very short.
		That's the other thing that she noticed.
		She said, my God, the days are very short here.
		I said, yes, well, you're in a different part of the world.
		And then she noted that the sun never really comes up.
		It tracks across the sky.
		What I should do is run her up to Alaska and let her get a look at that.
		All you ever get up there is about a sunset or sunrise and then it's setting as soon as it has arisen.
		In fact, it never really gets much above the horizon at all.
		But that's quite a change from where we were down on the equator, where everything is very similar day-to-day, season to season, if you can call them seasons.
		It's pretty much the same all year long.
		You have summer and the rainy season, which is still summery.
		Just have some rain.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air, Jim, in Missouri.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Welcome Back to the United States of America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The good old USA, yes, sir.
unidentified		You bet.
		God bless you and Erin and your cats.
		Thank you.
		I know that calling from Kansas City, Missouri 7-10 Talk Radio.
		We love you in Kansas City.
		Listen to you for a long time, but I know you like ghost stories.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
unidentified		And I have a real ghost story that happened on Catma Street there in Las Vegas over by Sunrise Mountain.
unidentified		You may know the area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And it happened in May of 1993.
		I was out on the West Coast.
		A co-worker and friend of mine invited me to take a trip down to Las Vegas with him.
		I have to kind of set this up.
		He had just inherited a trailer home there on Catmine Street.
		His mother had recently passed away just a couple of weeks before that.
		And he hadn't been back to the house, the trailer home since then.
		And he asked me to go with him.
		So I said, yeah, let's go.
		And so we arrived there at the trailer home.
		And as I walked in, I noticed just a very unusual feeling, like needles and pins, you know, a presence.
		You know what I'm saying?
		Oh, yes.
		And so we went on in, and to the left was the kitchen.
		I have to kind of set this up a little bit.
		The kitchen was to the left in a hallway that went into the living room.
		But we walked straight in, and there was another hall that went into the living room off to the left, kind of a U-shaped.
		And he said, your bedroom is here.
		He said, this is my mother's room.
		And I'm going to sleep back here in this back bedroom.
		I said, okay.
		So it was about daylight.
		We got in, I guess we got in about 3 o'clock, and it was about around daylight because I was in bed and I just woke up with a startle.
		And just at the very end of the bed was this very small person standing there.
		And of course, I was shocked, and I was just dismayed and disoriented, and I thought I was having delusions or something.
		But I noticed that at first I thought it was a child, but it was a very tiny lady, older lady with silver hair, and she had this long house coat on that had roses and rickrack and these large buttons on it.
		And she looked at me kind of startled, probably as startled as I was, and she said, everything was all right.
		Well, no sooner had she appeared, she just kind of dematerialized in front of me and looks like she went through the door.
		And, well, I pulled the covers up over my head and laid back down.
		I thought I was hallucinating.
		And then just a little while later, I heard this knocking on the door.
		Well, it was my buddy, and he came up.
		He was knocking on the door, and he said, Jim, get up.
		He says, let's go have some breakfast.
		I made a pot of coffee.
		And if you want to watch TV, go in the living room and watch TV.
		Well, so I got up, went around to the right into the living room, and as I walked in, just as I walked in on a small table, there was a portrait of this silvery-haired lady.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That obviously was her.
unidentified		Very unusual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was mom.
unidentified		I walked in, I poured a cup of coffee, and I realized that it was his mother that came to me in my bedroom and told me, and I was to give him a message that everything was all right.
		Well, I went on in, and a few minutes later he came out, and I said, is that a picture of your mother there on the table there in the living room?
		He says, yeah.
		I said, was your mother kind of petite, kind of small?
		He says, yeah, she was only about four foot six.
		Well, I thought, well, okay, I got to tell him this.
		This is just, I just couldn't keep it in.
		So I said, your mother came to me last night, and she wanted me to let you know that everything was all right.
		Well, he said thank you, and we sat there for just a moment, and I said, yeah, I said, she had this long house coat on with the rick rack around the collar and the sleeves and these large buttons, and it had roses all over it.
		And he looked at me and he says, that was her favorite house coat.
		He says, Jim, come with me.
		And we walked into the bedroom, and he threw open the sliding glass door, and he reached in and kind of shuffled around a little bit, and he pulled out this little house coat with the rick rack along the collar and along the sleeves and the big buttons and the roses all over it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess he should have been the one to sleep in that room, not you.
		But there you go.
		You got the message.
		I guess it can work that way.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now, I guess, as a result of that, you believe, absolutely, don't you, in life after death?
unidentified		Absolutely, Art.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		I suppose that's all it takes is one absolutely convincing experience.
		West of the Rockies in Indio, California.
		You're on the air, Michael.
unidentified		Art, welcome back to America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not a lot of time here.
unidentified		I know.
		I'm glad to hear your cats came home safe and sound.
		Yeah, I wonder if you saw that CNN news documentary about the growth of radical Islam in Europe.
		And that really concerns me because of the current political conditions around the world, especially the growth of radical Islam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not just Europe, buddy.
		It's all over.
		Even where I just came from in the Philippines on Minanao, it's really pretty widespread.
unidentified		Yeah, it's also getting widespread in Australia and North America.
unidentified		You're aware of that, terror cells.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, and I hope Erin adapts to North American life.
		And this is a little ice away.
		So does global warming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little iceage.
		Yeah, it was quite a greeting for her.
		And again tonight, we're having, listen, we're having weather into the upper 20s along with 20 and 30 mile-an-hour winds tonight.
unidentified		Ooh.
		That it's going to be very cold for the desert.
		In fact, we're having global climate change, I think.
		Not necessarily global warming, but cooling in some parts of the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if it cooled off a little bit here, it wouldn't be all that serious.
		All right, I've got to run.
		Thank you.
		And take care.
		All right.
		We're going to take a brief break, and when we come back, we've got some serious work to do with one John J. Harper.
		Stay right where you are.
		In Tucson, it's snowed.
		I don't think Phoenix.
		I said Phoenix, and I really meant Tucson.
		I've got a photograph here of the snow falling in Tucson.
		In fact, giant flakes coming down.
		Birds gathering for protection under something or another, but it's an interesting photograph to be sure.
		All right, coming up in a moment.
		John J. Harper is a retired electronics engineer and mental health counselor with the U.S. Department of Defense.
		He initially began his studies of science because of an uncanny insight into the Workings of radios, rocks, and rockets.
		Rocks and rockets, that's interesting.
		As he says, building crystal radio sets as well as homemade missiles as a child.
		Then, upon completion of high school, he joined the U.S. Army, became, because of his basic mastery of the subject matter, was sent to an elite training program at the Army Missile Command at Redstone Arsenal, Alabama.
		Later, he completed formal academic schooling in electronics counseling, psychology, and health sciences, then went on to complete a successful 25-year career with a DOD working at such diverse top-secret facilities as, for example, the Naval Weapons Center, China Lake, California, you know that one.
		And the Naval Undersea Warfare Center, Keyport, Washington.
		Today, he is a researcher, writer, public speaker, and editor-in-chief with Reality Press in California, focused upon Earth changes and impacting climate consciousness and civilization in era 2012, also known to astrophysicists as Sokols of San Francisco.
		Solar Cycle 24, it's the big one coming, folks, they say.
		Solar Cycle 24 is going to be the biggest ever recorded.
		We'll hear all about it in a moment.
		John J. Harper, welcome to Coast to Coast AM.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		It's a great pleasure to be with you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great to have you.
		Okay.
		John, you've been apparently looking at...
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		I absolutely did, and I was stunned by the relevance to what we're discussing this evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Solar cycle 24.
		I'm getting some weird stuff here.
		I wonder how our phone line is.
		You didn't switch phone lines on me, did you?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		No, but I did hear that, too, and I'm wondering what that might be about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Anyway, it's probably the sun.
		Anyway, I'm seeing predictions.
		I'm a ham radio operator, John.
		And so, you know, solar cycles are very important to me.
		I remember the one in 1958 as a ham operator.
		Boy, it was whiz-bang, John.
		It was really something.
		And the ones since then have been not that great.
		So what is your expectation for solar cycle 24?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I come from this from a complex, or I might say multidisciplinary viewpoint because I'm very interested in what this is going to do to our health from one perspective in that there is some data out there that suggests that solar flares are linked to flu pandemics.
		For example, the great one in 1918.
		And that kind of hits home because my grandfather was a Seattle police officer back then, and he actually drove the ambulance and picked bodies off the street in downtown Seattle, Pioneer Square area.
		And that's quite a family story.
		And he never did get the flu.
		Now, I've got an 88-year-old aunt in Seattle, still alive and doing very well.
		And she just told me the other day when I spoke with her that she had never experienced the flu in her whole life.
		And her physician said this was because she had antibodies from her father, my grandfather, because he did not get that flu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That could be.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
		And so interesting, you know, that stimulated my latest, you know, incursion into this idea that Solar Cycle 24 is going to be something that we have not probably ever seen before in recorded history.
		I know that David Hathaway at NASA and Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, where I used to work right alongside there at the Army Missile Command, and my wife actually did work for Marshall Space Flight Center.
		I was very intrigued to see his article a week or so ago that stated he feels very strongly now that Solar Cycle 24 will just set, it'll go off the chart like the flares that we've seen here in the last couple years, the X20 to X40, depending on what instruments it pegged to the right.
		But anyway, yes, I'm very concerned now that this links to a massive change in climate and in consciousness and our health.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there goes our phone line again.
		John, do you, I've seen these predictions all over the place for 24.
		Why is it, if you can tell me, why is it they're predicting such a gigantic solar cycle?
		What are they basing this on?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I think solar physics is in its infancy, and so what I had to do to come to some type of deeper understanding is really look at folks who have had any type of experience, whether it's considered in the metaphysical realm or, you know, we're hearing a lot of things about the work, say, of Maurice Cotterell in England.
		You know, synchronistically, you know, I didn't start out as a metaphysician.
		I started out as a scientist and really had, I guess, reservations about going into this arena because there's no, quote, hard data.
		However, as I got into it, I started bumping into folks, or they started bumping into me, that would tell me stories about there's going to be a massive change in the sun.
		And being an inquisitive person, I would listen and being, you know, somewhat reserved, I would just kind of nod my head and go, huh, that's interesting.
		But these stories started coming, oh, 15 years ago to me, and long before we even started talking about some of these topics.
		So I collected a big pile of them, and I started looking at them, and I realized that somehow this was so strong of impulse for these people to just share these stories spontaneously with whomever would listen to them, that I realized it was probably coming from the subconscious Aspect of our minds.
		And I do have a psychological background and a mental health counseling background as well as engineering.
		So, you know, it was interesting.
		I guess I would be the right person upon hindsight to come and tell these stories because, first, I would be intrigued by the physics, and second, I'd be a little more compassionate and not just brush them off as some type of nutcase.
		And so I really realize now that the reason that you and I are probably having this conversation this evening is that there must be a lot of us out here in our listening audience that probably also have bits and pieces of this puzzle.
		So in a kind of a convoluted way of answering your question, I think most scientists are still collecting data, and I'm not sure we do know.
		I mean, I've heard a lot of the theories, and we can talk about the ice age in 2012 and all this, but we don't even have to go there.
		We can look outside our window, or if we're really brave, we'll stand outside for a few hours and see the climate change right before our eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no question about the climate change.
		No, I know that those in metaphysics have been saying this for quite a while now, that this is coming.
		But what I'm referring to is of late the real hardcore scientists are beginning to say cycle 24 is going to be probably the biggest work we've ever seen.
		And since they're real scientists, they've got to be basing this on real data of some sort.
		Now, maybe it's some sort of historical record that's pointing to what's about to happen.
		I'm just curious, do you have any hardcore scientific detail about why?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, you know, we can point to the controversial work of David Hathaway because I feel he is on track.
		He's basically looking at all that data that we're referring to, and he's saying that there is a predictive element.
		If we look at magnetic anomalies, looking at X-class flares, for example, looking for these bursts that have come, say, in 2003, we can start to track or plot.
		And he's saying, in essence, that he can predict a large solar maximum cycle in around 2011, 2012 based on what he's seen now in the minimum part of that 11-year cycle.
		So without getting way too technical, without the graphs and everything in front of us, that in a nutshell is what's going on is that they're seeing the pattern that we look for in science to make predictions on.
		And he's made a very bold one to say that this may be the biggest in the last 400 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, right.
		Even NASA's making the predictions.
		But you're saying he's making his predictions based on the flare activity at the minimum part of the cycle, which is where we are right now.
		And there has been some incredible, incredible stuff that's happened.
		But that, in a way, prophesizes what lies directly ahead.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
		In his model, there's a lag time between certain events that he sees on the sun.
		And he's seen enough, evidently, and tracked enough over, say, the last hundred years or so, which I think is probably what we really have data for, even though he's referring to going back to Galileo in 400 years when they looked through, say, a filtered telescope.
		But I think that what we're seeing is this convergence of information from our satellite technology and the data collection process and just looking at things such as ice core samples and other things that probably enter into this decision-making process.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You came to link somehow the potential for World War III with a space war involving satellites.
		Now, the Chinese just whacked one of their own satellites, and yesterday when I first heard the report of what the Chinese did, I thought they used kind of a brilliant pebble scenario to whack their own satellite.
		But I'm being told by others that they did it with a single projectile.
		Is that true?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		That's our understanding.
		In fact, I just saw come across the wire service this evening.
		Our intelligence folks say that they do not even believe that the President of China, President Hu, is aware of the impact, number one, of this test.
		And number two, he may have not even authorized it, that it may be a disconnect between their government and that the military is acting independently of their political leadership, which even frightens me more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But again, you're hearing it was a single projectile kind of?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Yes, a missile in essence that was detonated either on contact or in close proximity to their weather satellite approximately 500 miles in low Earth orbit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even we have not done that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've done the Brilliant Pebbles shotgun approach, but I don't think we've ever hit something dead on with a single projectile like the Chinese.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		That would be classified if we did.
		But I'm sure that on the drawing boards back in the 1980s when I walked the halls of Ballistic Missile Defense Command, no doubt, as you said, there were projects there, and I've worked with some of the most brilliant folks who actually came up with some of these early ideas and presented them to the military and the Defense Department.
		And I was involved in some of those meetings, but there was a lot of discussion and a lot of different tactics and a lot of different strategies that would be employed to protect our satellites as well.
		But as you well know, yes, the testing goes on in the South Pacific and our other ranges around the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, how dependent on our satellites are we?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		That's the key for me, Art.
		That's what really rattled me.
		I just did not believe that we would come to this where that another major world power, nuclear power, would begin playing the chess game that could ultimately lead to wars in space.
		And that's exactly where I see The greatest concern right now.
		If we were to lose our weather prediction satellites, if we were to lose our Internet, our banking, our telephones, our telecommunications, our television, you can imagine what it would be like in the morning to wake up to be blind and dumb as a nation and not be able to get information to our people, for example, let alone the economic impact and the military being on high alert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you're really quite right, John.
		I remember it was just a few years ago we lost a satellite.
		I think it was Galaxy 4 or I don't know if that was it, but one of the satellites went down.
		And even here in Nevada, you couldn't go to the bank.
		All of the automatic tellers were closed down.
		The stores were helpless.
		You couldn't go in and charge something.
		And this was just from the loss of one single satellite.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly.
		Can you imagine if a network went down and it didn't come back up, the implication for, say, even a regional blackout?
		And this is so real and so frightening to me in the sense that I think of all the implications at a deeper level in terms of hospitals, for example.
		Think about pharmaceutical companies that our elderly are dependent upon.
		How about an emergency room and that type of activity?
		How about if, in a worst case scenario, you not only had a real severe weather natural disaster or weather event, but you also just simply could not get groceries.
		You could not use your ATM card to even shop for the basics to put fuel in your vehicle.
		Can you imagine the change and the panic that this would cause in our society?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, particularly our society.
		Other societies around the world are much more basic, but the U.S. has become dependent on all of this technology.
		Cash is slowly disappearing, and the method of transfer inevitably involves satellites, and money moves through space at the speed of light.
		So do you think that if we were to get into a conflict, for example, with China and they had the ability to destroy our satellites, that that would be something that would trigger a third world war?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine that what it would do would just become such a sobering event on a national level that we would hope that someone at that level of leadership would really think through the consequences of playing that chess game.
		Because, as you well know, things happen very quickly in a nuclear age and things can be misunderstood.
		And if you don't have the proper information and you base a critical decision on a lack of information and a misunderstanding or even an outright mistrust of another nation, it could be lights out very quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		World War III?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		It would probably start as, you know, tit for tat in terms of taking out satellites, and it would really escalate quickly if that could not be resolved.
		And that's, of course, that's always been the scenario, I think, in one level of government that if you knock out the other guy's leadership, the military has to step in and defend the nation.
		So, yes, this would be a great, grave concern at every level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		During the break, I think we're going to take the opportunity to re-dial you and see if we can get a better connection.
		For all I know, it's going through a satellite.
		But really, folks, I wonder how many of you remember back to the loss of one of the satellites.
		I think it was Galaxy 4.
		I can't remember.
		But you couldn't charge anything.
		Everything in our little town of Perump was virtually closing down.
		I guess some cash sales were being made, but communications were going down.
		Bank transfers were going down.
		It's amazing how you could disable a country like our country so dependent upon communications.
		So I guess that Chinese test is a little more worrisome than we thought, particularly if it was a single-impact missile, and particularly even more so if it was not authorized by the political leadership in China.
		Why do you believe that might be true, John?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was what came across the wire through BBC a couple hours ago, that someone in the intelligence community said that that was how they were interpreting this, and that the United States was going to basically go silent until they heard from the Chinese government.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		So that's where we're at right now this evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that something?
		All right.
		With regard to the coming solar cycle 24, I take it you're able to describe to us what you consider to be the worst case scenario if 24 is everything you say or more.
		Yes?
unidentified		Yes.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		I sense that from, like I say, I wanted to preface my remarks because I want to bring in some people that I've come to trust in terms of their experiences that they've had.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Again, folks call these near-death experiences, but I like to also think of them as spontaneous remote viewing events in the sense that it was something that basically was thrust upon them in a way that the information was given spontaneously, and so it was not something that they could basically conjure up or would even have any idea that they should ask these types of questions when in this other state of consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		So when we get back, the worst case scenario for what's coming with the sun, solar cycle 24 from the high desert in the great American Southwest, I'm Mark Bell.
		Well, all right.
		How about the Geophysical Union Marshall Space Flight Center.
		Here you go.
		So solar cycle 24, due to peak in 2010 or 11, looks like it's going to be one of the most intense cycles since record-keeping began 400 years ago.
		That is David Hathaway of the Marshall Space Flight Center.
		He and colleague Robert Wilson presented the conclusion last week at the American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco.
		Their forecast is based on historical records of geomagnetic storms.
		Hathaway explains, when a gust of solar wind hits Earth's magnetic field, the impact causes the magnetic field to shake.
		If it shakes hard enough, we call it a geomagnetic storm.
		In the extreme, these storms can cause power outages, make compass needles swing in the wrong direction, auroras, a beautiful side effect.
		Hathaway and Wilson looked at records of geomagnetic activity stretching back about 150 years and noticed something very useful.
		The amount of geomagnetic activity now tells us what the solar cycle is going to be like six to eight years in the future.
		Said Hathaway, a picture is worth 1,000 words.
		They've got a picture here of some of the activity here at the minimum.
		And if that foretells the future, it's going to be a big one.
		We'll be right back.
		Not that I suppose anybody wants to hear it, but it would be unfair of me not to note that Major Ed Dames has been talking about what he calls the kill shot and the sun's activity in this coming solar cycle, the next number of years, long before anybody else was.
		Back to John J. Harper.
		John, the worst case scenario you see happening in solar cycle 24.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		The worst case I see is a combination of what Dr. Paul Laviolette has shared with your audience, I'm sure, with his work, Earth Under Fire.
		And that would be a galactic core explosion on or about 2012 that would then couple with our sun, couple through the core of the Earth in terms of an energetic resonant relationship, and a coronal mass ejection,
		a large explosion on the surface of the sun that would then basically boil, you might say, the ocean floor, that there would be tremendous undersea volcanic eruptions that would generate tsunamis on the Ring of Fire and basically fry most of the satellite technology that was facing that event.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, if something were to boil the ocean floor long before the ocean floor boiled, we'd be gone.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, we could use that metaphorically, but you know, that's what I consider when you say that an undersea volcano erupts.
		You know, we have something going on now in the Arctic.
		There's research going on there.
		They went and found a very active hydrothermal venting.
		That is water that is literally boiled.
		And so the point is that if you have more undersea volcanoes than you do on the surface of the Earth, and we do by many orders of magnitude, I think that it could be looked at metaphorically.
		But I'm very much concerned about the fact that we could generate a weather system that would very much approach your global superstorm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so then you didn't mean a literal boiling of the ocean floor, or did you?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, in areas, this is exactly what is happening now, but in terms of an entire ocean, no, that's not what I'm referring to.
		But you know that there are a lot of ideas floating around in terms of what it would take to dramatically change this climate.
		And one of the scenarios is this flip of the electromagnetic poles.
		And I see that perhaps what the ancients were talking about, what the Mayans may be trying to warn us about, or at least some of them that were clever enough to leave some of their documents and their calendar and the legends that went with them that Paul Lavallette, John Major Jenkins, and others have shared with us, I believe that there's something there that we need to really pay attention to.
		And the way I have done that is to go and look at all of their information, all of their stories, all of their scientific findings, and then boil that down, so to speak, again, a metaphor, and put that in my book.
		But the worst case scenario, Art, would be, just as I shared, would be a multi-layered event that began at the galactic core and then coupled with the sun and then coupled with the core of the Earth.
		And basically, you would have just a surge.
		There would be a tremendous surge of electromagnetic power into the planet, and that that would trigger just global events.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		There's a great deal of argument going on, John, now about who is responsible, if anybody, for the change in weather.
		There's very little dispute any longer about the fact the weather is changing.
		There seems to be widespread agreement on that.
		Some think it's a natural cyclic event.
		Others think it's man's hand, and some think it's both.
		How about you?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		I'm in the both category in that I see that we have polluted our air and water to the maximum extent where we're certainly impacting our health, plant life, animal life, human life.
		But I believe these cycles, again, are the key to understanding the major transformation process that we're undergoing at this moment, including global warming.
		And again, with someone like Robert Felix, for example, who talks about the new ice age, I think there's a lot of truth in the way he has approached this.
		I think there is more to the fact that this is a cyclic, natural, reoccurring event.
		And I'll tell you why.
		One of the things I understand from working with people who had near-death experiences was the fact that their magnetic sense changed.
		In other words, When I would be with them, I could actually sense some type of electromagnetic phenomenon.
		But when they would meditate with me, for example, or I would assist them in going into a hypnotic trance state, I could actually feel around my body, like the hair standing up on my arms, for example.
		There was a static or a magnetic sense to it.
		And here's how I'm going to translate that experience now to what we're talking about.
		I believe that every living thing has a magnetic signature.
		You call it a barcode, if you will.
		And I think that when we cut down our trees and we kill animals and we do things in great numbers, that we shift the electromagnetic signature of a given area.
		And I believe over time, over these huge cycles, that's what the Native Americans, for example, were trying to warn us.
		Like Chief Seattle, who talked about, you know, one night you might wake up suffocated because you're in your own waste byproducts.
		He put it a little more eloquently, but that was the point that we basically become so toxic that we are now changing the magnetic signature of life around us.
		And this is coupling with these natural cycles and compounding things.
		So in terms of global warming, I say it's a recurring cycle, but now we've got so much pollution, we're toxic as well.
		And so that's, again, why I'm focused on health issues, because I think that we may decimate ourselves as a species with a bird flu type pandemic long before Mother Earth and company shift us off the surface of the planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
		In fact, the Gulf Stream waters in the Atlantic for eight days between December 11th and the 19th turned south and stopped passing Europe.
		Now, during that time, you saw Europe suddenly get cold with giant cold windstorms pounding and causing millions of, if not billions of dollars of damage in Europe.
		Now, that was the Gulf Stream only stopping for that number of days.
		It's been splitting and slowing, and of course, that is in a great deal of control of Europe's weather.
		So that's kind of like a little hello knock on the door, that something is beginning to go wrong.
		There are many who think that we are past the point of no return, that planetary decline, the changing of the climate, is a done deal, and there's not a damn thing we can do about it, John.
		Are you one of those?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		I'm getting closer every day, and I'm very reluctant to say that.
		I am one of the most optimistic people, as a rule, you'll ever meet.
		I have three adult children and eight grandchildren, and I don't say this to you, Art, without trembling when I look in the eyes of these children and realize they're going to be looking at me to help them get through what's coming.
		So I say this with a real sense of gravity.
		I believe, for example, that we are in deep trouble, that we are going to see mass starvation.
		I believe we're going to see mass migration away from the ring of fire, for example.
		I also see whether that will no longer allow us in the United States to feed ourselves, where we will become dependent upon other nations to feed us.
		And with the current state of affairs in the world and the way the world thinks of the United States of America, who will feed us?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a good question.
		I don't know.
		I know this.
		We just had a little taste of it.
		With the storms we've had here in the West and the cold, California citrus virtually disappeared.
		Most of it got destroyed.
		Now, this was just sort of a little, again, just sort of a little knock on the door about what's happening.
		But we've got the North Pole melting, the ice sheets in the South becoming unstable.
		I mean, these are big events, John.
		I know it's easy to sit, you know, wherever we are, fairly safe still in the U.S., and say, oh, the North Pole melting?
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		South Pole getting unstable?
		Interesting.
		Ocean currents changing?
		Wow.
		And sort of let it go at that.
		I guess we're so saturated with big event news that, I don't know, it kind of runs by us, but it does seem like something is happening, something is underway that is going to lead to a catastrophic event.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, even let's throw in the big one, and that's the Indonesia tsunami earthquake in December 2004.
		I see this, and others have shared their insights with me about this from their spiritual perspective.
		And that is that this event in December of 2004 was the beginning of a cycle that will lead up through 2012.
		And it's tied to, believe it or not, this Venus transit of the sun between June 2004 and June 2012.
		And that Mayans and Egyptians and other civilizations and our religious system is based a lot on this morning star and those who came to tell us to be peaceful and to love one another for a reason.
		And that was because that our consciousness does and our intentions does have an impact on the life forms around us.
		And when we get ourselves into a big mess in the world, on this planet, as we are today, that there's going to be a self-correction.
		And that self-correction is an energetic correction.
		And it has to do with a feedback loop through the sun and through the core of the Milky Way.
		And, you know, this is big cosmology ideas, but the point is that we can see this now happening in the scientific community, only using different words, phrasing it a little more, you know, measured.
		But the point is that we can see this, and I know we all sense these changes are coming, and we're asking ourselves, where is it we need to be?
		What is it we need to be doing?
		And my perspective on this, I'm looking at ways to feed my own family, for example, such as a greenhouse.
		Don't we realize that our nation could feed all of us with major greenhouse installations?
		And I think that's something that we ought to give deep consideration to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mentioned the global consciousness project going on at Princeton.
		What do you think they're measuring?
		They don't know themselves fully.
		They have an idea, but they're not fully sure what exactly they're measuring.
		What do you say?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		I think what we're measuring is some type of unified field effect where when folks are focused intently on a particular event, I know the example, the O.J. Simpson trials always used it as an example or the 911 event.
		And certainly those random event generators did sound an alarm, so to speak.
		What was it, Ark, 30 minutes before the 911 attack?
		That's correct.
		And I sense that, you know, perhaps maybe we're looking at this from the wrong side of the microscope or the telescope in the sense that, you know, maybe it's when we go quiet, when we really just don't even focus on anything.
		In other words, we didn't know the verdict for O.J. Simpson.
		We did not know what was coming with 911, at least most of us didn't.
		And so what we're sensing is this kind of a breathless state, almost a meditative state.
		And what we're seeing with the random event generators is basically the lack of disturbance of the field.
		In other words, we cut out the noise that most of us, the chit-chat, that most of us are doing most of the time.
		And all of a sudden, what they're registering is this non-disturbance in the field.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, as these random number generators become non-random, something's up.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Or something's down.
		You know, something might be zeroed out.
		It's like hitting a reset button.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is the Schumann resonance cavity frequency that Greg Brayton speaks to as linking the core of the Earth with the magnetosphere and our theta brain wave frequency, which is also about 7.8 cycles per second.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
		Yes.
		I mean, you know, Greg Brayton talks about maybe it's going to ramp up to 13 to another number on the Fibonacci scale.
		But the point of my insight into that is that I realize that when I'm doing trance work, when I'm doing hypnotherapeutic work, shamanic type rituals, if you will, that there's some link going on between my mind, the mind of the person I'm working with, and a greater field of intelligence.
		And I've had this sense of this for a long time because what triggered this for me was in September of 1990, I had what I would call a telepathic experience with the planet.
		And that might sound mystical, but it's not.
		It was more like I was so finely in tuned with this greater field of intelligence, and I was getting information fed through me literally at the speed of light.
		In other words, as soon as I had a thought, the answer came.
		And I asked in that state, which lasted about an hour, and it was overwhelming, but it did not frighten me.
		But I realized I was in this great expanded field of consciousness.
		And so I had the presence, I guess, if you will, to ask a lot of questions.
		And I was given the answers instantaneously.
		So when I started working with people that had near-death experiences, I said, you know, I never died.
		I never had a near-death experience.
		But I sure have had what I would call a telepathic hookup to this planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, let's work with that for a moment.
		The American Indians, American Natives, feel that the Earth is essentially an entity.
		And I understand that.
		Now, you say you had a telepathic communication with, essentially, this entity, and you have the presence of mind to ask questions.
		So, if you asked any important questions, I'd like to know what they were and what the answers were.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		One of them that really has always been with me is the idea of did Jesus really exist on this planet as a physical being, or is this some type of metaphysical, Gnostic kind of mythology?
		In other words, is everything the teachings true, but there really wasn't, as some people say, a person historically that became known to us as Jesus.
		And it was amazing, Art.
		I asked this thought came to me, and I said, about Jesus.
		And I was not a member of any religious organization of the time, but I do ask myself these big questions.
		And immediately, I was told that Jesus did, the man that we called Jesus in English, Yeshua, I guess it would be a better name in that Aramaic or Hebrew.
		But the point was, yes, this person did exist.
		Now, in terms of all the other theological concerns, I don't really have an answer there, but I believe I was given the true sense, the true answer, that yes, this person had these powers, had these abilities, and this is what was impressed on me, that we do too, only they're latent.
		We do have these abilities to heal the sick and et cetera, to change physical matter, and that this is coming, that this is what it's all about.
		People call this the rapture, or they can call it whatever, the unveiling or the apocalypse, a sense of revealing hidden truth.
		But that's what came to me, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good breakpoint.
		Hold it right there, John.
		Yeah, maybe that's right.
		Maybe in the end, it'll all be up to all of us.
		Certainly, I've been working on that prospect and that idea for some time now, and increasingly I believe that it may be true.
		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, where it's windy, I'm Art Bell.
		Once again, yes, indeed, here I am.
		John J. Harper is my guest.
		And while he's taking kind of a metaphysical approach to the events unfolding before all of our eyes right now, that's fine.
		We do two different types of shows on these events.
		One is pure science, and the other is the metaphysical.
		Now, interestingly, both of these types of guests are beginning to mesh in their points of view, if not the reasons and the evidence that they present for them.
		They're really beginning to say the same things.
		I wonder how many of you have noticed that.
		More from John in a moment.
		So, John, do you think that with this increased solar activity will come outbreaks of bird flu-like viruses emerging right and left more than we can handle?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I'm sensing, and that is from keeping up with the medical research community, is that we're right on the cusp of seeing at least an initial bird-to-human consistent outbreak, and then perhaps which might ratchet up to the higher level where human-to-human contagion begins.
		And of course, there's a lot of very, very concerned folks looking into this.
		But I have to tell you that one of the people that I interviewed a number of years ago very spontaneously said to me in a counseling session, this person did have a near-death experience, by the way, John, you're going to see a lot of death in your lifetime.
		And I thought, you know, do I pursue this or I let it go?
		And I said, well, you mean, are you concerned about nuclear war?
		And they said, no.
		And I said, well, you mean my family?
		And they said, no, not necessarily.
		And I said, well, can you be more specific?
		And they said, well, there's going to be pandemics.
		They did not say bird flu.
		They said pandemics.
		I didn't pursue it.
		And so, you know, I wish I had.
		But my point here is that I think that everything considered, if we look, you know, at the, again, I try to integrate science and the metaphysical, the physics and the metaphysics equally now.
		And that's because I've had this tremendous mixture of life experiences.
		So, you know, Carl Jung said, you know, he didn't believe in anything.
		He didn't really have faith.
		He only had knowledge.
		He said when he knew something from his personal experience, then he could speak to it.
		And I guess that's where, you know, I am tonight, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything else from your period of communication with Mother Earth, if that's the way you want to put it, that we should know about?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, let me clarify that a little bit.
		What I understood at the moment of that telepathic communication was that I was in this huge energetic influence, you might say.
		And it was almost like being in a bubble of energy.
		It was very, you know, it's hard to describe.
		It's not that mystical.
		It would be like being in a large energetic field that you're not being shocked from.
		It's almost the snap, crackle, pop of being in a high-power transmitter environment, which I know you know about as a ham radio operator, and the reason we ground equipment.
		But the point is that I knew that this was nothing, quote, metaphysical in one sense, but it was the way the world worked if you could tune into it.
		I also sensed that this was probably had something to do with being part of the north-south electromagnetic field itself or the magnetosphere, and I still think that.
		And in fact, one time I had another individual who shared some insight from their near-death experience.
		I asked them, where do you think you went?
		Where did you see your relatives?
		Did you go to heaven, for example?
		And they said, oh, I know where heaven is.
		And I said, well, please share that with me.
		And they said, oh, it's in the magnetosphere around this planet.
		And I said, interesting.
		So again, one more layer to this story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But again, my question was, you said you had the presence of mind to ask questions.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you got answers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm interested in what those were and what the answers were.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, some of them are not too savory because I asked about the future.
		And I was given not only this telepathic voice in my head, which was crystal clear, by the way, there was no ambiguity whatsoever.
		I was being communicated with as much as you hear folks such as Daniel Pinchbeck talk about his 2012 experiences on ayahuasca or Graham Hancock talk about his experiences with ayahuasca or dimethyltryptamine or ayahuasca.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, if it was frank and open and direct, then pass it on to us in that fashion.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		It said that there would be cataclysms, that there would be earth changes that were going to be very dramatic, that the weather would shift, that the oceans would roar in essence, and that tidal waves or tsunamis would strike both the west and the east United States coast.
		And the time event, I was not given.
		It did not link to 2012.
		I was just told and shown.
		There were some type of visual imagery to this, and it was just basically like you're watching the weather channel on a bad day, where just every kind of event that you can imagine would hit you at once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so what has that produced in your life?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, for you, John, and your family, based on what you've seen, what will you do?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		I'll share one quick experience that was not part of that, but another vision that made me move to where I am today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, by the way?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		I'm in Spokane, Washington, about 300-some miles off the Pacific coast.
		I grew up in the Seattle, Washington area, where I retired from the Navy as an engineer and as a mental health counselor.
		I was right at the base.
		You might say, actually, from my office, I could see the base of Mount Rainier.
		And a few years, 1994, June of 1994, I had an Open vision, a spontaneous vision.
		This is all part of this long process of metaphysical experiences that I share in my book that I had, and I tie them in more coherently than I am this evening.
		But the point is that I saw Mount Rainier erupt, and it was such a visual and such an emotional impact on me that I really became concerned about that.
		And so I actually accepted early retirement.
		And this was in June of, like I say, of 94, I moved to Spokane because I wanted off the coastline, number one, I wanted away from that mountain.
		And I grew up at the base of that mountain, so I mean, I was intimately experienced with it, and I shouldn't have any kind of concern about that because I always thought it was just a very dormant volcano.
		But that is the reason I came to Spokane.
		Now, however, let me extend that.
		I'm also contemplating now going to another region of this country because I'm very concerned about what I see as an imminent ice age, or at least a mini-ice age, that's going to really change the climate so dramatically that, again, food and feeding ourselves is going to become extremely important, in my opinion.
		And I believe in the short term, that's where the resources of our government should be focused.
		But, you know, realistically, I realize the system doesn't move that quickly.
		And I've got all these kids and grandkids.
		I'm going to try to make wise decisions based on all these experiences I've had in my life.
		And so I probably will move more towards the central part of the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if there's anything that we should have learned lately from disaster after disaster, it is do not depend on the government.
		You have only yourself to depend on.
		If a disaster occurs, they will not be there for you.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that the truth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		We saw that with Katrina, and we can, I imagine, assume that, you know, for example, a compounding of these crises, for example, if we just lost satellites to solar flare events, if we simply had a massive earthquake or other natural disaster,
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		which we have all the time anyway, but if we had all of these cyclic events, you might say concentrate in a very short time period, we can only imagine that we would be on our own for a long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do imagine that's possible, John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you are preparing for that?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have talked with some other like-minded people that are in the professional community, doctors and other folks like that.
		And there are different communities that are now starting to become sensitive to earth changes.
		And I'm not talking about, in a sense, of running to a secluded area and trying to hide from society.
		These are folks that are very well entrenched in communities around this country in professions, but have sensed, and we just found each other here in the last few weeks, couple months.
		So it's been an ongoing teleconference and email exchange.
		And there's a lot of us going to, I think, find an area, again, in the central U.S. somewhere that we can form a new community that would be very much like an old community, only we're going to try to become more self-sufficient.
		Of course, we've had what we call intentional communities now all over, but this will be try to use every bit of wisdom that we have collected together and share common things that we can so that we can help our families through what we feel is going to be a very serious climate change.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let me ask you a very sensitive question, John.
		It sounds like you're really in touch with something beyond yourself.
		I guess that's fair to say, right?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		You're preparing for what you consider to be the worst for a coming cataclysm, and that's a reasonable position to take.
		Food, all of the other essentials for life that one might need for you and your family.
		Here's the question I have, John.
		Let's assume the worst occurs.
		Let's assume that you and your family manage to find a reasonably safe place with a store of food and the ability to maintain life at some reasonably comfortable level when there are millions of others who did not prepare and come to forcibly take what is yours.
		What are you prepared to do about that, if anything?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's an outstanding insight because that's where I feel I'm at right now.
		I'm in a large, well, medium-sized city environment, a very wonderful place to live, by the way.
		And one of my concerns is I will not use, I would not use any type of force personally.
		Not that I'm a pacifist.
		I would defend myself if that was necessary or my family.
		But I mean, you know, I'm the type of person, if I have something, I'll share half of it with you.
		And the point is I want to circumvent that scenario, Art.
		And so the area that I'm talking about, and I don't want to release, I'm not trying to sound mystical, but I'm not going to identify this being an area that a lot of very professional people were investing a lot of money into land.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't blame you.
		But I, without any shadow of a doubt, and I would like to believe that we could prepare sufficient numbers of people so that that would not come to pass.
		But, John, that's not the way the world works.
		And if you have something and there's truly a cataclysm going on, well, gee, with Katrina we saw it, and with other disasters, we've seen it.
		It quickly all goes wrong, John.
		And they try and take from those who have, those who do not have, will come to take what you have.
		And you say you're not, you know, you would share half of what you've got, right?
		You said that.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many times?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what you have to do, Art, I think, is, you know, you have to find areas that are so isolated at the moment that may seem even undesirable to a lot of people.
		I'm talking about having a perimeter of, you know, almost like you do with Death Valley.
		I mean, that's just a natural buffer.
		That's what I'm talking about.
		I'm not talking about perimeter fences.
		I'm talking about a natural landscape that would be so rustic and so rugged.
		And if you put yourself in the middle of it and you could sustain yourself, that would be, in my opinion, the ideal situation where you're living in an environment that you love anyway, and you're doing more, you might say what the Native American community does on reservations today in remote parts of this country, in the Southwest, for example, or in the Northwest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm talking about a clear field of fire, John.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		That's what I thought you were talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm serious.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you could only share half of what you've got with how many people before you didn't have.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		You would have probably a day or two worth of rations, even if you had a lot, right, in a time of crisis.
		And that's what I am concerned about.
		That's why I say, you know, I know that being in a city would not be the ideal situation.
		You really need to isolate yourself in a small town where everybody knows your name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And even then, you're going to need a clear field of fire.
		And I'm not joking.
		You're absolutely going to have to protect yourself in that way.
		Are you prepared to do that if need be?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Yes, if need be.
		You know, I'm an ex-military man.
		I'm an ex-lieutenant, combat electronics officer, and former enlisted man as well.
		So, yeah, in terms of what you're talking about of a field of fire, I can relate to that.
		But I feel that at some point, you know, you'd have to really deal with some of these issues that we're talking about long before they come about.
		And, you know, if you don't prepare for them, of course, then you would find yourself probably in a tight situation where you might panic.
		And that's basically, I guess, what I'm saying here this evening to everyone listening to is let's think through everything that could go wrong.
		Like a good scientist or an engineer, you know, in electronics they call this worst case design, right?
		Worst case analysis.
		How many things can fail, and they will fail at the most inopportune times, according to Murphy's law.
		And so back yourself up.
		You know, you have redundant systems.
		And I realize this is not something that everyone can do.
		And I, you know, my heart goes out to folks listening that say, I don't have the resources to do anything.
		I understand that.
		But one of the things I did when I wrote my book, I get a lot of positive feedback.
		I think it's a very optimistic yet realistic book.
		And I really want to pick everybody up.
		I don't want to bring anyone down.
		So to me, though, and the reason I'm talking with you this evening and why I feel so strongly about this is I think we really need to wake up.
		We need to really understand we're in the thick of it now.
		This is not some type of thing that is not going to manifest.
		We're in it right now, I feel, and it's going to accelerate tremendously in the next few years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, how much do you think that our government is aware of?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		You know, I have people in government that are friends and former colleagues.
		I think at the mid-management level, they don't have a clue.
		Now, are there some think tanks, some folks at the very top level that just think about crises and what they would do to control populations?
		Of course, they run these scenarios, worst-case scenarios, all the time.
		But then, as we saw in Katrina, if you don't execute the plan and if you don't have managers that have been on board at the senior level long enough to understand the drill, then you're going to fall apart the seams right from the beginning, which happened clearly during that fiasco.
		So again, you know, what do we do in the military?
		Aren't we train and train and train and hope we never have to execute the plan?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that since Katrina, we have put something in place that is sufficient to deal with what you and others see coming?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		I think we're better prepared.
		That would be my assessment just based on some conversations I've had with some military officers that are friends of mine.
		I know the military, you know, they really do have a handle on protecting themselves and running supplies and logistics around the country and around the world, as you well know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm not so much talking about the military protecting itself as I am.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		I think that what we would see is kind of a folding inward and protect their own type thing, and I can understand that.
		But the civilian population would be left on its own, and I am concerned about that.
		I think the military ought to share their ideas more with city planners, with city councils, with mayors, and we should begin pulling this information together at a much rapid rate.
		I mean, my wife, for example, Connie, works for Spokane Community College, and she was just telling me just recently, said, John, you know, we just had our first meeting on the bird flu pandemic, and they're really starting to take this seriously, which made me feel good.
		But I said, where were they two or three years ago, you know, when the first outbreaks came?
		But it moves slow.
		You know, the wheels grind slow in government, and most of them are locked up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, there was a big bird flu scare, and it didn't come to pass, really.
		Somehow, it stayed contained, John.
		Why do you think that happened?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think, first of all, that our immune systems are, you know, in various states of readiness for most viral and bacterial events.
		You know, one of the concerns I have, by the way, for bird flu is the fact that, you know, it's an autoimmune response that's going to kill most of the folks.
		And, you know, it's interesting.
		A pandemic like bird flu will come in probably three waves.
		The first wave will be like in the spring of a given year.
		There'll be about a six to nine month lull.
		And the second wave of three waves is the most lethal according to the 1918 pandemic and other data that we've collected on these viral outbreaks.
		And the lethal rate is within the 20 to 30 year olds.
		Now, isn't that interesting?
		It's not the infants.
		It's not the elderly per se, though everyone would be impacted in that age group as well, because out of every, there would be 100% infection rate according to some models, but only 50% will ever have symptoms.
		This has been pretty standard now with these types of pandemics.
		So the point is that what stops it is our immune system, but those that are healthiest among us will probably, their immune system will overreact, and that will be what indeed kills them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold it right there.
		John J. Harper is my guest.
		We're talking about coming cataclysms.
		If you believe even half of it, you should be getting ready.
		I'm Art Bell.
		John Jay Harper is my guest.
		From any number of points of view, he thinks the immediate future is a little dim.
		And indeed, it may be.
		Are you prepared?
		What are you doing for your family?
		What do you have stored?
		What do you have ready?
		Do you have food and water for a period of time to keep your family safe?
		And if so, what period of time might you have to keep them safe?
		A good question for Mr. Harper in a moment.
		John, how much preparation, how much food for how long do you think you might have to prepare to be safe for you and your family?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		You know, I've given that a lot of thought, and I believe that we probably should be thinking that, you know, if we lost a growing season, for example, what would that take?
		Because I think we're pretty resilient, and I think we would band together.
		Again, I'm an optimistic person, but I really see us not, you know, paying attention to the, quote, signs of the times.
		And this really alarms me because, as you said, you brought up a very good perspective.
		What would we do if we were caught flat-footed and we looked at our neighbors going hungry while, say, we whined and dined?
		I don't think that most of us would hesitate.
		We would share to a certain extent what we have.
		But again, what's the worst case?
		The worst case, I think we're going to lose a growing season.
		Then we might see a good season.
		Then we might, maybe we'll lose two.
		But if we can get into this rotation idea that we're going to need to take care of ourselves for maybe six months at least, I think we'll be ahead of the curve from what I can see now.
		But one thing I'd like to share real quick, and that is how to boost our immune system, because stress is going to kill more of us probably than all the natural disasters combined.
		Stress is going to, I think, accelerate.
		When the energies increase in the earth, they're going to impact consciousness and the biological system that upholds consciousness.
		In other words, our human cellular body.
		And what I've done for years is investigate optimal wellness products.
		And I'm not going to give any brand names.
		I'm not here to promote any one particular product.
		However, there's certain items that you can investigate for yourself on the Internet.
		But one thing that will fight infection in the lungs, for example, is an antibacterial, antiviral agent.
		And I take it, my wife takes it, and my children take it.
		It's flaxseed oil.
		And I'm sure a lot of our listeners are aware of this.
		But look into that.
		There's another thing, just an elderberry extract that's made in Israel.
		But if you probably just Google that, you'll come up with different products.
		But there's one particular product, and you'll see it, that's made by a virologist who has some data that shows this will protect you better than Tamiflu for infection with the avian flu virus.
		So again, these types of things, vitamin C, for example, taken in a powdered form, and there's many others, right?
		I mean, there's a lot of things out there that we can do for ourselves to, it's just like when you fly.
		I used to fly almost for a living as an engineer.
		I would be in a meeting in L.A. one minute, Seattle the next, and have to fly to New Jersey the next.
		So I was constantly getting colds, constantly getting sick, and that's right.
		I boost my immune system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's something, John, that maybe you can answer, because I sure can't.
		As you know, I just got back from living in the Philippines for eight months.
		Now, as a result of my international flights, I managed to get the flu on my way over, and I caught several consecutive colds, no doubt being exposed, you know, to viruses there that are not here.
		And fortunately, in the Philippines, you can walk into a drugstore and you can ask for antibiotics and you'll get them without a doctor.
		You can walk into a drugstore and you can ask for Tamaflu, John, and pay and get it without the permission of a doctor.
		And somehow, civilization does not collapse there.
		They don't have Tamaflu junkies buying all the Tamaflu they can.
		They don't have antibiotic junkies trying to get all the antibiotic they can.
		And civilization goes on without a problem there.
		Now, I understand that physicians over-prescribe antibiotics, but I don't think people would rush into drugstores if they could get it without a prescription and just, you know, for example, buy Tamaflu and start gobbling it up, forming some sort of Tamaflu habit.
		Do you?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		No, I do not.
		And I certainly believe in educating a public that is more than hungry for knowledge about how to self-medicate in a correct way.
		I mean, you know, I have worked in medical clinics, and, you know, I am very open to things that my colleague Dr. Bruce Lipton, the cell biologist, talks about.
		I'm all about self-empowerment, all about boosting the immune system through, you know, positive thinking and these types of things.
		But I've heard so much of this stuff that I realize that most of us are walking around in some type of fog, and when the shift hits the fan, we're not going to be able to pull our head out of our past faster.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And for the record, that was S-H-I-F-T.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Shift.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		S-S-P-A-S-T.
unidentified		Yes.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		And so we are going to see a crisis compounded by panic, I'm afraid.
		And I want to do what I can to prepare people for what I see is coming.
		And that's why I took 15 years to write my book.
		And I want to thank you, Art, for your show in 1999 with Joe Firmage.
		Joe Firmage gets a big pat on the back.
		He funded me for a year that really bought the computers, bought me the research documents, and everything that really led to the publication of my book in 2006.
		And it's because of shows like yours, Art.
		And I really feel we're really getting down to it tonight.
		I mean, we started at a mind-to-mind kind of level talking about this topic.
		I feel the heart-to-heart connection with you, certainly.
		And I know there are millions of people out here tonight that really are wanting answers.
		They want to prepare for what's coming, and they want community back.
		They really want to feel connected, not only with nature, but with one another.
		And I think this is such an important dialogue that we're having right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the, you know, Katrina woke a lot of people up.
		A lot of people who were comfortably living with the concept that the government would rush in at the first sign of any catastrophic occurrence, whatever it might be, and save their butts.
		Katrina woke them up.
		And they watched on a daily basis people trying to survive in the New Orleans area without any help from anybody, finally shocked about it.
		It was a big controversy.
		But the end result was that I think an awful lot of people out there figured out they're going to have to stand on their own if something comes down.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Let me share a quick insight on this topic.
		I was recently, again, looking for property and talking with realtors and other people in different parts of the country.
		And what I was amazed was I kept hearing, well, you know, so-and-so just bought into there and they're from Florida and they're leaving Florida in droves.
		Oh, these people, they got caught in Louisiana or Mississippi or on the Gulf Coast.
		They want as far away from there as they can.
		Interesting that right now there's a sense, I think it's like it was a shock and then a recovery from the post-traumatic stress disorder that being relocated, that suddenly happened to so many.
		And now they're trying to find, quote, safe places.
		They've been traumatized, in other words.
		And again, this is what I'm trying, for the vast majority that hear our voices tonight, I'm hoping that some of us will take action.
		Maybe we don't have to go anywhere.
		Maybe we just need to dig in and reinforce our community values and talk about this more so that we don't get caught off guard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many lived within the sphere of Katrina hitting who have moved out of the area and are not going back?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to see that government statistic on the next census.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		I would have to imagine there must be hundreds of thousands of people that will never go back and live in the exact residence that they lived in before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some because they can't, some because they just don't want to go through something like that again.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, look what Max Mayfield said in his retirement sign-off from the National Hurricane Center a couple weeks ago.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		He said we are going to face a catastrophe unknown to this country if we don't get people off the coastlines and prepare for the inevitable Category 5 plus hurricane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, for the most part, they're not leaving.
		Yes, in New Orleans, where they experienced this, in Florida, where they had a horrible hurricane season, not this last year, but the previous.
		Many have left.
		And I think had there been a repeat of the hurricane season, there was a respite.
		But I can assure you, not globally, because John, where I went in the Philippines, everything that didn't happen to the U.S. East Coast did happen to the Philippines in one typhoon after another after another after another.
		There was always one on the map headed toward us.
		So what didn't occur in the Atlantic, I can assure you, did occur in the Pacific.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		And what's important, I think, to really to focus on that particular topic, you know, I've been asked before, you know, folks trying to corner me and say, you know, they predicted, the National Weather Bureau predicted massive hurricane season last year.
		It did not materialize.
		And they said, you know, so in other words, you know, this doom and gloom scenario, and I'm not one of those, but I certainly want to be realistic about the data.
		And I said, no, what that proves is that we're going into a cycle of chaos and that the mathematical models that are in our computers no longer are plotting real data and we are headed for a time of unpredictability.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've certainly achieved that.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No question.
		All right, so the coming solar cycle is going to be a real whopper.
		Are we going to see sunflares that go up to the top of the scale or perhaps even the new scale?
		I mean, the old scale was certainly exceeded.
		They never expected.
		The scientists said can't have one that big.
		There cannot be that much energy from the sun.
		So when they designed the satellite, it only had a top range of so much.
		Well, it pegged out.
		It pegged out so badly, they don't even really know exactly how big it was, just that it was too big for their instruments to measure.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		Some plotted around X28.
		Others said it had to be an X40.
		And you say, like I say, it went off the scale.
		Now, we have these on a kind of a routine basis, I mean, in terms of solar flares, but most of them are not Earth-directed.
		So what we're talking about here, of course, is are we going to have a solar maximum and have all the alignments that we're talking about, the galactic alignment, the Earth centered and positioned in such a way that it's going to resonantly, you know, I think people are thinking energy transferring across this vast space,
		you know, they're losing the idea of resonance, you know, in electronics and the fact that, you know, if you tune an antenna, you know, when I was a kid back in the 50s and an airplane would fly over or a car would go by, you know, the whole screen went screwy on you.
		And you take the old rabbit ears antenna and shift a little bit and you get that harmonic resonance back and that oscillator tuning effect.
		And that's what I'm talking about.
		So I want to be clear about that.
		You know, if we get coupled in that kind of way with one of these flares or even X28, it's going to take everything to the ground electronically, like it did in 1989 in Quebec.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's kind of like Russian roulette, John.
		In other words, the Sun's position when it lets go with one of these monsters.
		Now, had that X-40 or 48 or whatever it was been Earth-directed, it would have, as you've just said, taken everything down to the ground.
		The satellites would have gone, power grids would have gone, communication would have ceased.
		It really would have fried us in a very effective way.
		And one of these days, particularly, for example, during this next big solar cycle that you've been talking about, the bullet's going to be in the chamber as it's pointed toward Earth.
		It's just going to happen, John.
		That's all there is to it.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm sensing, too, Art.
		And, you know, I continually go back and revisit everything that I've said in my book, everything that I hear, folks on your show, for example, that I respect.
		You have a lot of wonderful guests, very knowledgeable people sharing information today.
		And you know what?
		I cannot honestly discount what I've written.
		I cannot discount the passion that I feel about warning folks that we need to prepare.
		For some reason, I feel that this is the time that we need to pull all this information together and act on it.
		In other words, we've been collecting data, collecting data, collecting data night after night on the Coast to Coast AM show, and we've been doing a really good job of it, you guys.
		And the thing of it is, now what are we going to do with it?
		What kind of bundle are we going to put this together in?
		And is there something that we can do that we need to do?
		And in my opinion, yes.
		We need to realize we need to take care of our health.
		We need to boost our immune system for the most part.
		We need to think about our diet.
		What kind of foods can we live on and do it comfortably and live pretty much the same lifestyle?
		But maybe there's a lot of things we don't need right now.
		I would start saying, and I'm doing this, start simplifying and getting it simpler and simpler and simpler to the point you know you can survive on oatmeal for a few days.
		You know that you can survive on chili for a few days, for example.
		But I mean, realistically, you know, I've got 11 mouths to feed.
		You know, things go bad because I've got my son-in-law in Iraq.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		11, John?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		I've got three adult kids and eight grandkids, and I've got a son-in-law in Iraq, so those four kids are with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Your book is named Transformers Shamans of the 21st Century.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's been out how long?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		One year right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		January 2010.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How has your book done?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		It's done extremely well, and I'm very grateful.
		And your listeners have really come through.
		I get emails when I speak with you folks that just tear at my heart.
		They are just wonderful people.
		I've had the best conversations with so many of them.
		And I just want to say thank you, Coast to Coast AM, and all your listeners, I think, really have some ideas that we need to listen to.
		I'm really looking forward to the next segment.
		I would love to hear what folks are doing to prepare for the earth changes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We know the coastlines are going to be dangerous areas in the years ahead, John.
		Where would you say the safer areas would be?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Certainly up in the northern tier of the United States, not maybe all the way to the Canadian border like where I am.
		I'm an hour from Canada, but certainly in the interstate regions, you know, from, like I say, so maybe from Spokane, Lake Courtland, Idaho, all the way across the country up to about the Great Lakes.
		So, you know, we're talking maybe to Wisconsin area.
		And there's, of course, great areas in the south and the Midwest, I think.
		But, you know, if you're by a major river system that can flood, we saw what can happen, you know, a decade ago with major floods.
		We also want to realize that, you know, the weather can turn so quickly now.
		What's your water source, you know, for example?
		Where's your nearest medical facility?
		So you don't want to become so isolated that you literally can't get to community services if they exist.
		But those are some of the things I'm looking at right now, in fact, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you're in a city, John, a big city, you can expect that those medical facilities, if there's some catastrophic event, are going to be overwhelmed very quickly.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I live in the medical district of Spokane on South Hill.
		I'm right here with Sacred Heart and Deaconess and all the major medical facilities well known in this country.
		And I would think that within four hours to eight hours, they would be completely overwhelmed and probably under quarantine.
		So what do you do?
		And that is the types of things that I've evaluated and I look at continuously.
		And I think if you can, it would be wise to relocate to a smaller community.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense.
		And as you point out, water is a key.
		Any suggestions on water?
		I mean, it is the basic of life.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I'm looking at is I'm trying to find parts of the country that have natural flowing streams and creeks that are still relatively clean.
		And there are a lot of them, Art.
		It's amazing when you get into some of these hinterlands, you know, in the Midwest and the Southeast and that type of thing, the Upper Midwest.
		There's some marvelous places that I think people haven't even probably considered for a long time.
		In other words, they moved out during the manufacturing era and probably have their roots back there.
		But I'm thinking that maybe a lot of us ought to rethink about where we're from.
		Where did our grandparents start out, for example, or great-grandparents?
		Maybe those communities are something we need to revisit, take a look at, and maybe revitalize.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps so.
		We live in an area here in the middle of the desert where you wouldn't think it's true.
		And we have one of the, I think, second or third largest aquifers running directly underneath us in this otherwise very dry desert.
		So our water is superb and available.
		And as long as you have a way to pump it from the ground, as in solar or wind power, then you're in pretty good Shape if something happens.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's an excellent idea to look for these natural aquifers.
		And there are many throughout the country.
		In fact, Spokane also sits on a huge underground lake and has some of the finest drinking water that I've ever had.
		And I'm from the northwest and I've lived in other parts of the country, so I can really appreciate good water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, John, coming up in a moment, we're going to turn you over to the audience.
		All right?
		Good.
		Stay right where you are.
		I'm Art Bell.
		It is.
		It is interesting.
		So much of what we've talked about on Coast to Coast AM in years prior has now come true and is coming true right before our eyes.
		Everything from the hurricane season that brought us Katrina and more to the rapidly, now obvious weather changes that are occurring right before our eyes locally and globally.
		All of it is now beginning to come true.
		So the words of people like John J. Harper and others are beginning to get taken a lot more seriously.
		At any rate, if you have questions for John, it's your turn with John coming next.
		John, I take it your book is available, Amazon.com, or do you have a special deal on your website, or what's going on?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is at Amazon.com, BarnesandNoble.com, or through Reality Press and other bookstores.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, the best way is to come to the website, and then you can see all the different options for purchase right from there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right, good.
		If you're ready, certainly the American public is.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		I'm ready.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here it comes.
		Wildcard Line 1, Roxanne, in Wisconsin.
		You're on with John Jay Harper.
unidentified		Hi, good evening, Art.
unidentified		Thanks for taking my call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And, Chief, I would really, really, really enjoy this show tonight.
		I guess one of my questions are, I live in the Midwest, in Wisconsin.
		And through this period that might cause a lot of weather change, we're going to be without electricity.
		So is it going to be like a hot?
		And what would we do?
		I mean, if it would reach temperatures unbearable, do we go underground?
		I guess that's kind of what to expect is how to react to the weather.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that first of all, you check with your local folks because they are well aware of what's happening now.
		And you might want to touch base with the city planners or those in the community that have to do with emergency management services and just ask them what is their plan and just begin a dialogue.
		That's the most important thing.
		I think we all reach out to our community leaders and just say, hey, we're aware that the weather's changing, things are happening, and what are we going to do about it as a community?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any way, John, to forecast which way it's going to go for any particular area, or is it a crapshoot?
		And by that, I mean, for example, I live here in the desert.
		Now, during the summer in the desert, temperatures reach the edge of what people can survive in.
		In other words, it gets very hot.
		But it could well be that these weather changes would produce the exact opposite for my region, and it would get cooler here and perhaps get hot elsewhere.
		So, you know, her question resonates with me in a sense, because how do we forecast which way it's going to go?
		Should it get hotter here, it would not be livable.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me give you a real-time example.
		We had a weather forecast here in Spokane of maybe a light dusting of snow.
		I'm looking out the window at a half a foot plus right now.
		We had our pipes burst because we didn't get above zero to ten degrees day after day after day.
		We still have not.
		We're still in a deep freeze.
		And this was not predicted to be as long-lasting or as severe as it was.
		And so to answer both of your questions, I think, Art, as you all know, the jet stream determines who gets what when.
		And we're seeing some very wild oscillations going on at the upper atmospheric levels.
		And so that would be, you know, like in Wisconsin, where this lady is from and where my grandparents were from, by the way, this would be something that is really, again, like you're saying, Art, a crapshoot.
		And to a certain extent, I would say expect the worst and you'll probably get it and prepare for it.
		And therefore, if you're pleasantly surprised for a few days or a month, give thanks because that's the type of weather oscillation pattern I'm seeing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies.
		Hi there.
		John, I think it is, in Illinois.
		You're on with John J. Harper.
unidentified		I'm calling from Springfield, Illinois.
		Hey, Art.
		Hey, John.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Hey, John.
unidentified		I got two questions for you.
unidentified		Have you heard anything about this same strain of norovirus from the cruise ships that is like there's outbreaks in 17 states?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		I sure have.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		And what, there was just an outbreak in different, was it, Wasn't it?
unidentified		Was it a school or hotels?
		Or they had a contact services and closed the places.
		But my second question would be, children under two, I've been hearing that doctors are going against prescribing antibiotics for like earaches because they're building up their immunity or it's affecting their immunity to it.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Yes, if you start loading yourself up too early, for example, with TamaFlu, there's some data that suggests that's not the ideal thing.
		You want to wait right where there's an outbreak and then you want to take it every day until that outbreak period passes.
		Remember what I said, it's going to come in three waves from statistical work that we've done.
		You're going to see the first wave, which will be relatively mild, probably in the spring of a year.
		Then about six to nine months later, you're going to see the second wave.
		That historically has been that has taken the most lives.
		Then there'll be a third light dusting to kind of mop up the people that it didn't get the first time, if you'll pardon my straightforwardness.
		But these things are going to come like that.
		And I would say that you wait until you're really dealing with something before you load your system up.
unidentified		Okay, thanks, Art.
unidentified		I hope you're staying warm.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Nathan.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Take care.
		Yes, it Sure is a cold blast we're going through.
		West of the Rockies, Christina in New Mexico, you're on with John.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		Glad you're back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Mr. Harper, John, I'd like to know what you think about this.
		Please bear with me.
		I was 10 years old in bright light outside collecting acorns, and my father was there.
		And this is what happened.
		I'm going to say it as I did when I was 10.
		Papa, all time is going on at the same time, but on different planes.
		I come to dump the acorns in the wheelbarrow again.
		He happens to be there.
		And I say, when I am old enough to have grandchildren, Papa, the United States of America will no longer be the most powerful nation on the earth.
		This, though, with no emotion at all component.
		No emotion.
		10, perfect serenity.
		Just I know.
		And knowingness, I guess, is what I might call it.
		What would you think?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I mean, it's more important what you think.
		You have the experience.
		However, I can tell you that as a young child growing up in the 50s, I always asked myself how old I would be at a certain period of time, and it was about this timeframe.
		And I always knew there was something for me to share with others, and that's why I've made an extra effort to do this.
		It has nothing to do with selling a book.
		It has nothing to do with John enjoying these late evening hours.
		It has to do with the fact that I feel like I need to do what I can do, when I can do it, and because there will come a time when I may not be able to communicate in this fashion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There may come that time for me as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mike in Clearwater, Florida, you're on with John.
unidentified		Good evening, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very well.
unidentified		I've never talked to you, so this is a pleasure.
		My question is about records.
		What happens, and it may be a moot point, but if something catastrophic were to happen, are businesses doing something to ensure that, say, records like how much is left on a mortgage or how much money was in a checking account or how much, you know, all those vital things that we need, are they going to be wiped away forever and we just start from scratch or what's going to happen?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I was a computer specialist and software engineer for a number of years as well.
		And I can tell you that most companies, they have disaster plans for backup files.
		And they might put them underground.
		They might put them in a strategic part of the country.
		Just, for example, the Internal Revenue Service, I can assure you, will be the last one to lose a record.
		But the bottom line on this is certain areas, local, you know, small community banks and all that type of thing, credit unions, whatever, I would think that they might very well suffer a loss because they can't retrieve records.
		And, for example, if they're electronic and you can't access because you don't have electricity, I mean, after six months of not accessing them, I think folks are just going to walk away from their mortgages and their loans.
		I mean, it'll just be an absolute mess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gosh, John, I wonder if the sun got really more active than we can even imagine, and we got hit with a flare that really did fry things, could it get bad enough to fry computer records on the ground?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		That's an excellent point.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		And I would think that it is theoretically possible, you know, a direct hit, for example, at a server connection, some huge facility that's housing all of this and the absolute combination of just an overload surge might just fry everything in terms of integrated circuitry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's go to the first time caller line.
		That would be Gil in Houston.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Arc.
		Hey, John.
		Hey, listen, something I want to share with you.
		Curecumin stops the lethality of bird flu.
		Just, it stops it.
		Bird flu kills because of a cytokine storm in the lungs.
		It damages the epithelial lining of the lungs due to massive inflammation.
		Tryan, curecumin is, well, first of all, it's a derivative of turmeric.
		It comes from, if you've eaten Indian food, you've had turmeric.
		Curian, curcumin, is simply a derivative of turmeric.
		It's natural, it's non-toxic, and it stops the lethality of bird flu.
		You'll get sick, you take your curcumin, and you will not die.
		It stops the inflammation, it stops the cytokine storm that takes place inside the lungs.
		And a specific kind of cytokine is the chemokine, and it will take you out.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		I use that technique that you're talking about right now.
		I use it quite often, in fact, just to boost my immune system.
unidentified		It's a very powerful antioxidant.
		That's right.
		So if you're concerned about bird flu, go to your grocery store, go to wherever you get your vitamins from.
		And there are a number of different companies that market it.
		But what you want is pure cumin, C-U-R-C-U-M-I-N, and you will protect yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, got it.
		And we appreciate it.
		Thank you.
		West of the Rockies, Mary, in Utah.
		You're on the air with John.
unidentified		Hi, John and Art.
		This is Mary Michael.
		And I grew up with a series of earthquakes in Salt Lake City years ago.
		And we're right on the Wasatch Fault.
		And they keep saying expect one every day, but that's only local.
		I listen to this program every night, and I've never heard anybody say anything about Utah.
		Have you?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		I have not, but maybe Art has.
unidentified		I don't know if you have Art or not either, but I did read an article that we were once Lake Bonneville, you know, and I've been to Moab, Utah and found seashells and, you know, all these kinds of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's interesting, Mary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Utah goes largely unmentioned.
unidentified		It surely does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But maybe that's a good thing.
unidentified		Maybe it is.
unidentified		Hopefully in this case it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Mary, I'm sorry.
		I wish I had more for you.
unidentified		That's okay.
		I appreciate talking to you.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
		But it really is true.
		You just don't hear a lot about Utah.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		That's very true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And maybe, as I said, maybe that's a good thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, Regina in Iowa, you're on with John.
unidentified		Yes, John.
		I was going to tell you that I think you're becoming very alarmed.
		There's nothing anyone can do if it happens.
		It happens.
		And I had a very touching experience when my daughter passed away.
		I had an out-of-body-like experience.
		And I heard a voice.
		I seen Indians in the scene.
		And I didn't see anything else.
		But a voice said to me, everything will be all right.
		We are all one.
		And then the next thing I knew, I was sitting at the foot, you know, after she had died.
		But I had the feeling, the most wonderful feeling that you would ever imagine.
		It had to be heaven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Regina?
		I just don't know.
		But what he's saying, Regina, is that people can prepare.
		You can prepare in your own way to try to protect yourself and your family.
unidentified		We all do that, but we can't be preparing for the inevitable.
		I mean, if it's going to happen, it's going to happen.
		And they're talking about the bird flu.
		Well, what about the Parvo virus?
		I mean, that was killing dogs.
		And, I mean, if that would have mutated, it would have killed people too, but we didn't hear about that.
		I think there's just a lot of people that are frightened right now.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		I think you're right.
		And I think fear is part of the problem.
		However, there's such a thing as basically throwing your hands up and saying there's nothing we can do and basically just allowing yourself to be swept away in that sense.
		And I can't do that as a father and grandfather.
		If it was only myself, that would be a whole different perspective perhaps that I would take on this topic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you completely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it was just me, then I might well say, oh, well.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Surfs up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, surfs up.
		That's it.
		But when you have family, when you have children, then you just have to have other concerns, and you have to think a little bit ahead about what might occur.
		And I think you definitely have to prepare.
		And if recent events have not taught us that, then we just simply haven't been watching.
		Jim in Cleveland, Ohio, you're on with John.
unidentified		Hi, Art and John.
		You know what, as a health care professional, and believe me, I'm into everything you can do, elderberry, vitamin C, flaxseed.
		But I once read about a cardiologist from the late 1800s, early 1900s, that said that our cardiac health is not always governed by what we eat, what we drink, or what we breathe, but it's mostly the people around us that profoundly affect our emotional health in a negative way.
		Our immune systems can literally be shredded by, we'll call it barnyard excrement.
		You know, I mean, I'm not saying don't go for the things like the food and the exercise and things like that.
		But when you talked about preparing for things, you know, with food and this and that, sometimes, you know, an ounce of prevention kind of thing, come on.
		It's like the people around you can destroy your immune system if you hang around negative energy.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		I agree with that.
		Absolutely.
		And I think one of the most depressing things for me is to look around and see no one prepare for what's coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, we have so many recent examples of all of this, and so many recent examples of the government not stepping in and doing what I guess we all sort of expected they would do in that kind of situation that if that didn't teach us, I suppose that any preaching on this program certainly isn't going to do the trick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think, John?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think you're right, Art.
		I think, you know, there's a certain select few that are listening to us this evening and to our callers that they're going to resonate with something we say.
		They're going to give a second look to this whole thing, come to their own conclusions.
		But I think some will probably take the right actions and maybe see us on the other side of whatever's coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, Eric, I think in Grand Rapids, you're on with John.
unidentified		Hi, Eric and John.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Third time caller.
		I just had a couple questions for you.
		I was pursuant and seemingly in line with other civilians and people online.
		What are your thoughts about the implications of attacks on satellites affecting not only the civilian functions like banking, cell phones, et cetera, but the possibility affecting serious military functions as far as like target acquisition and what do you mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean attacks on satellites?
unidentified		What, you guys were talking about attacks on the satellites, the Chinese are testing all this stuff.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, we're very concerned.
		The military always runs these drills and scenarios on all of these types of tactical considerations.
		But, you know, this is why the alarm is going up at the White House.
		I don't know if you read some of the press reactions, but Tony Snow, the President's press officer, was very emphatic, very sensitive to this realization that this might create a panic among journalists, especially, and then filter through to the population.
		That's why they jumped on it so quick.
		But right now, they're taking a position of just silence, and so we're going to have to wait and see exactly how they do approach this.
		But yes, it's sensitive, and absolutely, if the satellites are taken out, you know, it's game over as far as our society is concerned in the West.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That serious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Game over.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Game over.
		If you can't, tomorrow morning, if we get up and we couldn't access email, couldn't use our ATM card to fill our car up, go to the store, think about that, you know, for a moment, how the impact, I mean, we would walk around outside, begin communicating by voice again.
		What do you think happened?
		Talking to your neighbors again.
		We wouldn't know maybe for hours or maybe longer, depending on where you're at.
		And this would be an interesting, you know, psychological experiment, if nothing else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I don't want to think that we are that vulnerable.
		I just don't want to believe that, but I guess it's possible, John.
		My guest is John J. Harper.
		He's talking about what might happen.
		Perhaps he's talking about what probably is going to happen inevitably.
		Heaven knows, we've had enough warning.
		So from me to you, from me to your family, please do take the time and prepare.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Good morning, everybody.
		I am Art Bell.
		Back in the USA.
		Let me tell you something.
		This is kind of interesting to think about.
		I just came from a country where, although I was in Manila, where I guess really you could compare the capability of Manila communications-wise and otherwise to other parts of the world that are right in the middle of it all, Hong Kong, Tokyo, and of course just about everywhere in the USA.
		However, if you get out of Manila and you get into the real Philippines, for example, where my wife's family is from on Mindanao, out in the middle of nowhere, if satellites went down, if communications became virtually impossible, it wouldn't affect my wife's family in the first way.
		They wouldn't even know that it happened unless one of the two local TV stations that they have available suddenly could no longer be seen.
		But beyond that, they don't use bank cards.
		They produce their local food.
		They virtually wouldn't even notice that it had happened.
		Now, of course, in Manila, they'd be crippled.
		And I'm using that as an example because, and I'm telling you the truth when I'm telling you that the way her family functions, their food comes from the farm.
		Their vegetables come from the farm every day, and all their other food comes from the farm.
		So they simply wouldn't even notice.
		Now, have we in the U.S. become so dependent on the technology that transmits the information that we are dependent on?
		The satellites that sit in either low Earth orbit or in a geosynchronous orbit that transmit information and money around the world and around the country so quickly and so efficiently that were they to go down, if we got into some sort of conflict and we lost this information transfer capability, we would be done.
		Have we gone that far with technology that it would be all over by the fat lady shouting?
		Got to think about that a little bit.
		We'll be right back.
		I'm Art Bell.
		John's really got me thinking about this because I spent quite a bit of time with my wife's family.
		Now, they don't have a refrigerator.
		They don't need a refrigerator because they go to get the vegetables and the meat, the fish, whatever it is they're going to cook that day, they get fresh from their own farm or from a catch close by, and they eat it that day.
		And they cook it over an open fire.
		So they don't need a stove.
		They don't have much in the way of financial anything, so they certainly don't have credit cards.
		They don't worry about banks.
		They don't worry about bank transfers.
		They don't worry about bank balances.
		And they don't, for the most part, worry about mortgages or anything like that.
		So life, if all the satellites were shot out of the sky tomorrow, life would go on there as though nothing happened.
		But here in the U.S., if all of our satellites suddenly were taken out of the sky by some sort of Chinese offensive or any other country that decided to take them out, would life, as we know, end?
		John, I guess you're saying yes, right?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		I don't see any other reasonable conclusion.
		I mean, I guess the percentage, if we get 50% reduction in capability, what does it do to the regional community in terms of economy?
		And how fast can we put them back up, if ever?
		And is that what the goal of our life is, is to keep building a technology infrastructure that takes us farther and farther away from the lifestyle that you just shared with us, that your in-laws experience in the Philippines?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask this, John, and you may not have the full answer to it, but we do have a constellation of satellites up there, a giant one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do we have any protection, John, that you're aware of, the general public might not be, or are they simply sitting ducks?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		There are some safety measures put in place.
		Just like, for example, in the International Space Station, we had to scramble those folks into a safer area, didn't we, a couple weeks ago when the flare struck.
		And so we have those types of things in place.
		And there's other countermeasures that could be, I think, deployed readily should they need to be.
		So I'll leave it at that.
		But, you know, one of the things that was shared to me by a couple folks who have had near-death experiences, and I lay out in my book a kind of a scientific explanation of some of these things, then the spiritual experience that someone shared with me.
		So I just want to make that clear.
		I balance all this in my book, so it's not just a technical dry read.
		It's my spiritual experiences from the childhood from age eight that I've had, as well as all these others, balanced by the scientific reality and the data.
		But here's the point.
		I had a couple people over the years.
		One is now a minister.
		He was a former professor at Northern Kentucky University.
		And I imagine most people have not heard his name.
		His name is Howard Storm.
		Very interesting last name, and I point that out in my book.
		But he was shown that one of the things that would happen to us if we get into a crisis militarily, I believe, would be that the power grids would go down.
		He did not say the satellites would be taken out.
		He said the power grid would begin to fail in the United States, and due to weather and those kind of crises, we would not be able to feed ourselves.
		That was one person.
		Another person was Ned Doherty.
		I don't know if anyone has heard of him, but Ned's in my book as well, and I share his insights.
		Which he was shown that a tsunami would eventually come to the east coast of the United States, and because of that, the damage would be so severe to our military port communities that we would seriously be degraded in terms of military response should we need to.
		And his concern, I can tell you, was China.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		First time call our line, Steve in New Jersey.
		You're on with John.
unidentified		Oh, hello, gentlemen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Glad to hear somebody speaking since, finally.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's hard.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure what I'm speaking yet.
unidentified		I was just wondering if the northeast, you know, United States, the far northeast of the mountains, in New England would be a safe place?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, that's hard to say because I'm not a soothsayer, but I can tell you that I would think so.
		I would think if you're in high ground, away from the coastlines, you're good long term.
		And let's be clear, you know, maybe nothing will strike in the type of severity that I'm talking about, maybe for 10, 15 years, maybe never.
		However, do you want to build your lifestyle and your family and your children, grandchildren, if that's the case, in an area that you think might be literally not there a decade from now?
		That would be, you know, that's the bottom line for me.
		How old are you?
		What's your family structure like?
		You know, what's your lifestyle like?
		Like Art was saying, if it was for me, you know, just me, I'm not sure I would be, I know I wouldn't be speaking on the radio.
		I would simply probably retreat to a nice area and have a great life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Karen in Spokane, Washington, you're on with John Jay Harper.
unidentified		Hi, man.
		My question has to do with stress.
		In 2001, I survived a brain aneurysm, and the kind I survived, only one in 3,000 people survive it.
		And then eight months before that, I had an alien encounter in my own home in the mountains of Idaho.
		So my stress level has just been way out.
		It's really hard for me to work around the stress.
		Plus, I take care of dying people.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		You've got a full load on your plate, don't you?
unidentified		Yeah, and I've always been aware since I was five years old that I came in to help humanity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, stress is something that you have to either learn to deal with or get away from.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		You must adapt.
		In other words, you know, if you're sensing this, are you working for a hospice, for example?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what she indicated, yes.
		And she's just got a lot of stress.
		So you have to either find a way to deal with it in some detached manner or get away from it.
		One of the two, or it'll end up killing you.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Simple as that.
		All right.
		Wild card line, Jack in Florida, you're on with John.
unidentified		I think it's Joe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it Joe?
unidentified		Yeah, Joe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm sorry.
		It is Joe in Ohio.
		I'm sorry, Joe.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		That's all right.
		All right.
		I've been listening to y'all tonight and your callers, and there's one question that I haven't heard asked, and so I'm going to ask it.
		Say, you know, this solar flare hits us, or we have some catastrophic catastrophe that pretty much ends our way of life.
		Is there anyone or any conglomeration of people who are keeping records on how things are done, on how buildings are built, how roads are built, how our electronic wires are done?
		I mean, is there anyone keeping record in case something happens to let other people know how to fix it?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I'm sure there are.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		This is not my area of expertise, but I heard recently that the government has come in and actually collecting seeds and storing them in a safe place in case of a catastrophic event as we're talking about this evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what, John?
		I've heard exactly the same thing, that there's this big seed storage program going on right now.
		And actually, it kind of concerned me a little when I heard it.
		Do you know which arm of the government is actually doing that?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope it's the agricultural department, but I don't know.
		I've heard this spoken of, and I think I did see an article perhaps on the Internet years ago, but I believe it's true.
		I think it was probably just by some of our major universities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, let's try Jack in Florida this time.
unidentified		Jack?
		Oh, yes, here I am.
		Anyway, I have just a really quick question for John.
		Actually, it's a double-party question.
		One, I'll just start with the easiest one.
		What worries you more, the fact that all this kind of weird weather is happening, or the fact that we can't predict it?
		And what makes you think that this particular brand of doomsday scenario is real, while all the other myriad ones that we've gone through and we will go through aren't real?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Very good question.
		Excellent.
		What really concerns me is the fact that I've been immersed in this for 15 years, and I'm starting to connect the dots at levels that I never thought I could connect, first of all.
		Second of all, I've got so many people in my book, for example, that have come to me over this period of time digging the alarm bell.
		Initially, I ignored it, and then I thought it was premature, that maybe this was something way in the future.
		And then I've looked at every aspect of this.
		I'm a very methodical and very conservative person by nature.
		And so, again, for me to be speaking like this, I mean, I'm speaking to you from my heart based on a life dedicated to science, dedicated to the truth, dedicated to being honest with my fellow man.
		That's the best way I can share that with you tonight.
unidentified		All right.
		Okay.
		Thank you.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you, and take care.
		It's to Greg in Georgia.
		You're on with John J. Harper.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		I have a quick question for him.
		What was the vitamins And stuff he was talking about, we could take for our immune systems.
		And after that, I have a quick question when he answers that.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, basically, you know, just a very good multiple vitamin.
		But now they just had a report here recently over the weekend that half of these companies are not, or you know, they're not quality controls.
		So you need to research a good quality multivitamin and supplement, in my opinion, with things like antioxidants, which are vitamin C, but in the powder form, the crystal form, which is more potent, gets into your bloodstream better.
		And flaxseed oil, not the mill, not the grain, but the oil.
		That is an antibacteria, antiviral, kind of like an antibiotic.
		And those are the main things, I think, for a healthy adult.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Have you heard anything about an RFID ink that the government has come up with?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		These tags?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the RFID tags?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		It's an ink or tag or whatever they want to call it.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Clara will know more about that than I do.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm aware of it, but I don't know anything more than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm also aware of it, but I'm not necessarily aware of what the specific danger associated with it.
		It is.
		So I'll leave it at that.
		First time caller line, Bob in Seattle.
		You're on with John.
unidentified		Yes, John.
unidentified		I just was interested in the fact that the Chinese rocket that took out the satellites were the low-orbit satellites, right, at 500, which would be the military and the GPS.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Right, they took out their own weapon.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		An old weather satellite, in other words.
unidentified		Right, and the communication satellites you're talking about are in the Clark belt at 2,300, right?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		So aren't you going to take a considerable amount of more fuel to reach them, to take it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		22,300 miles up.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Aren't you going to take more fuel to reach them?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Sure, yeah, absolutely.
		We might be talking, you know, a few years down the road, but I think it's important that we bring this to the forefront of consciousness.
		And, you know, I think the way we deal with this is we present the facts, we talk about it, we get this out of our system, and maybe just by shifting our consciousness and being aware of this, it will not happen.
		That really is something that I'm hoping, that I think we really can bring this out of the closet, talk a little bit about it, and maybe even do some of these Art Bell experiments where we just cautiously decide this is not going to happen.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And the other thing on the taking of the antibiotics, aren't we running a chance with the antibiotics of creating drug-resistant?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't advocate that.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		I have not taken an antibiotic in decades, and I would certainly if I had a catastrophic infection, but for viral, that's not going to work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not at all.
		And by the way, for the previous caller, escaping Earth's gravitational field, whether it's to low Earth orbit or 22,300 miles, is not a great deal of difference.
		The greatest energy required is the early energy to get up off the ground and out of the low atmosphere.
		So if you can go into low Earth orbit and do it, getting to something in the Clark Belt, particularly that's relatively stationary with respect to Earth, is not that much more of a chore.
unidentified		Let's go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Precisely.
		West of the Rockies.
		Anna in Phoenix, you're on with John.
unidentified		Hi, I just am calling because I wanted your opinion about living here in Phoenix.
unidentified		I know we're in the desert and we have had a lot of drought, but overall, what is your opinion?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I think Art really knows that area better than I, but you know, Lake Powell and these others have had some concern about water, long-term water sources.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		So Check, where is your water going to come from?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's right.
		But as I mentioned to you earlier, John, I'm a little concerned about the desert in the sense that in Phoenix and the area I live in, during the height of the summer, we're right at the very edge of what a human can survive in, even with air conditioning and all the help you can get.
		So if it were to get X number of degrees worse, it simply would not be survivable.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Neither would areas that need air conditioning if you lost electricity, I believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies in Houston, Melinda, you're on with John.
unidentified		Hi, Ark.
		Hi, John.
		How are you doing?
		That's good.
		I just have a question.
		My husband and I feel the same way about John, about something really bad's going to happen, and we've been feeling it this way for a while.
		We have a house.
		We still owe on it.
		We're thinking about selling a house and living in a travel trailer because the way things are, it's gotten so bad.
		What do you think about that?
		Also, we live in as far as Houston, how do you feel about that?
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Well, again, those are personal decisions, and I think go with your own intuition.
		However, just lay out the facts for yourself and see how they stack up.
		I mean, are you in an area that, you know, you could survive the weather, severe weather, in a trailer, for example.
		Most parts of the country, probably not.
		Either too hot, too cold, too windy, etc.
		So, you know, give that serious thought.
		And you want to be in a solid structure at a minimum, I believe.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		But hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're here.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		But like as far as things that happen, like say that you can't afford to pay on your house anymore, then what do you do?
		I mean.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you've got to plan ahead, and you've got to get to an area that you can economically thrive on still.
		This is the thing.
		We're talking about preparation, so you need to lay that out, lay all these ideas out.
		There's a lot of resources on the Internet, for example, that you can use and read about.
		And again, go with your intuition and don't make a decision based on fear, but good common sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And on that note, we have got to go, John.
		It has been a pleasure having you here.
		We'll have you back.
		You have a good night.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, sir.
john jay harper ▲ ● ▼		Good night, everyone.

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