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Nov. 19, 2006 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Open Lines - Dealin' with the Devil

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	From the Southeast Asian capital city of the Philippine Islands, that would be 7,107 islands.
	That's a lot of islands, folks.
	Manila, howdy!
	I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	And when I say that, I mean literally from one continent's coast to another continent's coast.
	It's my honor and pleasure to be escorting you through the weekend.
	It's being the second night of that endeavor.
	We're going to take a look in a moment at the world news, and as I always mention to you, it's generally somewhat depressing.
	Tonight is really depressing, and so let's get to it.
	Oh, coming up in the next hour, a real treat for you, Jim Bell, who, among many other things, just happens to be the lead scientist for the PanCam color imaging system on the NASA Mars Exploration Rover, you know, Spirit and Opportunity missions.
	So here's the guy who is responsible for taking all those photographs.
	Now, in preparation for this program, how could it not be, right?
	Naturally, Richard Hoagland has sent in his own set of questions, and we'll peruse some of those as well.
	You know we would have to do that, right?
	Hey, Richard.
	All right, let's look at the world news.
	And by the way, we're going to be doing open lines this hour.
	So, you know, if you've got the numbers, squirreled away somewhere, by all means begin dialing now and we'll get you lined up.
	The news from Iraq.
	Tonight is not good, not good at all.
	Syria's foreign minister called Sunday for a timetable for the withdrawal of American forces to help end Iraq's sectarian bloodbath.
	In a groundbreaking diplomatic mission to Iraq that comes amid calls for the U.S.
	to seek cooperation from Syria and Iran, at least 112 people were killed nationwide following a week that had already seen hundreds of deaths.
	Walid Mohamed, the highest level Syrian official to visit since the 2003 ouster of Saddam Hussein, denounced terrorism in Iraq even as Washington mauled its own overture to Damascus for help in ending Iraq's violence.
	President Bush over here in this part of the world, in Vietnam in fact, President Bush paid tribute to new symbols of capitalism in this struggling communist country Monday, offered encouragement for Vietnam's battle against bird flu and other public health challenges.
	The President was Quickly touring this city once known as Saigon, I will never know it as anything else, before flying to Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country, where thousands angrily protested America's policy in the Middle East and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
	Get this one!
	Henry Kissinger!
	Henry's still around!
	Military victory is no longer possible in Iraq.
	That's a quote former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said in a television interview broadcast Sunday.
	He presented a very bleak vision of Iraq, saying the U.S.
	government must enter into dialogue with Iraq's regional neighbors, including Iran, if progress is to be made in the region at all.
	So Henry Kissinger is saying military victory is no longer Possible.
	Well, you know what?
	I don't buy that at all.
	I don't buy that at all.
	And I think it is possible America can do what America wants to do or has the will to do.
	Now, whether we have the political will to do it is an entirely different question.
	Is it possible to win in Iraq?
	Of course it's possible to win.
	Henry may be right, we may not win, but it'll be only because we don't have the will.
	Americans would have to sign up for a new military draft.
	Have you heard of this one yet?
	Just breaking.
	After turning 18, under a bill, the incoming Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee says that he's going to introduce next year Representative Charles Rangel.
	Always controversial.
	Democrat from New York.
	Democrat, mind you, said Sunday he sees his idea as a way to deter politicians from launching wars.
	In other words, today's politician can't get away with sending his own son or daughter, I suppose, in some sort of new draft.
	You know, and it's away from the draft.
	You couldn't get away with it politically.
	So I guess Rangel figures this is a way to keep politicians from voting for wars.
	Not that they really get to vote for them.
	Anyway, at best they get to vote for the financing or to try and cut it off.
	That's about the best they get to do.
	We don't really vote on wars anymore in America.
	Haven't done that since the second.
	A former Russian spy poisoned in Britain and now hospitalized under guard may have been targeted for his criticism of former colleagues and his investigation into the killing of a prominent anti-Kremlin journalist.
	Friends and fellow dissidents said Sunday that Colonel Alexander Litvinko, a former KGB agent, said earlier this week he felt ill on November 1st following a meal with a contact who claimed to have details about the slaying Well, I can't get her last name correct, so I'm not even going to try.
	The Russian journalist gunned down last month in Moscow.
	More college presidents are earning annual compensations of a half million dollars or more, fueled in part by stiff competition by schools for the best candidates.
	According to the study, it seems about 112 of the 853 public and private university presidents surveyed said They had pay and benefit packages worth more than a half million dollars.
	Governor Mitt Romney said Sunday that he would ask the state's highest court to order an anti-gay marriage amendment question on to the ballot if legislators fail to vote on the matter.
	When they reconvene in January, Romney said he would file a legal action this week asking a Justice of the Supreme Judicial Court to direct the Secretary of State to place the question on the ballot if lawmakers don't vote directly on the question.
	January 2nd, final day of the session.
	And this I read under protest.
	I mean, even this subject makes me angry.
	Several Fox affiliates have chosen, bless their hearts, not to broadcast, if I did it, to Bart's special where OJ Simpson talks in hypothetical terms about his role in the 94 killing of his ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ronald Goldman.
	Lynn Broadcasting and Pappas Broadcasting, which own combined nine Fox affiliates, said they're not going to air it.
	Good for them.
	Fox has scheduled the Simpson interview for November 27th and 29th.
	You know what?
	I'm just not going to comment much more on it because it'll just make me angry.
	So that's the world news, which is certainly in its normal, depressing state.
	So, so many dead in Iraq.
	We've got Kissinger saying the war can no longer be militarily won.
	What a mess, huh?
	What an absolute mess.
	We'll turn to other news in a moment.
	The idea seems like something out of perhaps a Superman comic.
	A machine or a missile shoots out tons of particles into the atmosphere.
	It would block the sun's rays, cool down the overheated Earth, and reverse global warming.
	However, some of today's leading minds in science, history, and economics are going to gather in a closed session organized by NASA, And Stanford University to discuss exactly that, a subject long taboo in environmental circles because so much could go wrong.
	Some fear, of course, it would be seen as a quick fix, replacing the need to reduce fossil fuel emissions.
	But others contend the world needs an emergency plan in case global warming triggers a catastrophic event like a breakup of Greenland's ice sheet, then massive flooding of coastal regions.
	Is it better to let polar bears go extinct and let the ice sheets melt?
	Is it worse to inject some aerosols into the stratosphere that could deflect some of the sunlight?
	That's a question.
	Ken Caldera, a climate scientist at Carnegie Institute's Department of Global Ecology at Stanford University, which is hosting a two-day meeting, is asking, the idea is called geoengineering.
	In other words, using technology to tinker with the Earth's delicate climate balance.
	Many scientists doubt it is possible.
	Even those who study the idea worry about the possible misuse of their research.
	In other words, when they say misuse of their research, they probably mean the military.
	Now I want you to listen to this because Animal mutilations, along with crop circles, have been, I suppose, the most inexplicable, totally inexplicable thing that happens on Earth.
	I mean, we just have no clue.
	A rancher, John Peterson, and his wife were recently headed out into the twilight to do some chores when they spotted her.
	The healthy young cow lay dead in a stubble field just off the road.
	The cow's udder, genitals, rectum were all cut out with stunning precision.
	The left side of her face carved off, the exposed bones ripped as clean as if they'd been boiled.
	Peterson, who discovered a similar mutilated cow on his neighbor's ranch about five years ago, knew he was the latest victim in one of Montana's greatest mysteries.
	In fact, the world's greatest mysteries.
	Since the 70s, Montana ranchers have found dozens of cattle carved up in very similar ways.
	The first known incident was a mutilated steer reported near San Cooley, I guess it is, in late August of 74.
	By December of 77, Sheriff's deputies had investigated to get the 67 mutilation cases in Cascade, Judith, Baskin, Teton, and Ponderosa Counties.
	In each case, the cuts were made with, and they use this phrase always, surgical precision, often in circular shapes.
	Similar cases of haunted ranchers in the Southwest since the 1970s, when a 300-page federally funded report concluded the killings were the work of natural predators.
	Ha!
	How?
	Peterson, a lifelong rancher, says he knows a predator kill when he sees one.
	Grizzly bears, wolves, coyotes are not suspects, he said.
	It's the weirdest thing, said he.
	Guy hates to say too much because I just don't know how far you can go before they put you in a nuthouse.
	Other theories besides predators involve pranksters, satanic cults, Of course, space aliens, whoever or whatever is responsible, has left precious few clues for Pondera County Sheriff Tom Kuka.
	At least not the kind of clues lawmen are used to, like the others.
	Peterson's cow was found with no blood spills, no spatters, No footprints, no sign of any struggle whatsoever, nor were the footprints in past cases on the ground.
	In other words, nothing.
	Not even when the ground was muddy or snow-covered.
	Quote, there's no reasonable or even rational explanation for this, said Kuka, who's investigating the case as felony criminal mischief.
	After all, the cow was worth about $1,200.
	I'm hoping to find anything that would show how or what happened to this animal.
	Perhaps the most unsettling hallmark of the mutilations is that hungry predators leave the carcasses untouched.
	What is it about the cows after this carving has been done to them that keeps a predator away?
	Peterson discovered the cow October 9th and the birds are just now beginning to even peck at it.
	We had a cow die a week after this one, about half mile away, and there's nothing left of that cow.
	In other words, natural death, right?
	There's nothing left.
	Bones are picked clean, but they don't touch these special cows.
	These oddities, no blood, no footprints, no predators, were all part of a similar spate of mutilations in the area in 2002, when ranchers reported at least 15 killings in one case.
	A rancher west of De Pere found a carcass with the skin peeled off the left side of the face and nose in a similar fashion to Peterson's cow.
	The left eyeball, rectum, and genitals were cut out.
	Part of the left ear was cut off, but the utter intact.
	On a ranch between Fort Shaw and Cascade, a carcass was missing its left eye, one teat, its genitals, and rectum, all cut out with surgical Precision.
	But in this latest case at Peterson's Ranch, Kuka found an intriguing clue.
	A few feet south of the carcass, there was an impression in the stubble field like the cow had laid down there.
	But there were no footprints or drag marks between the impression and her final resting place.
	It was as if the bovine had fallen out of the sky and bounced.
	Could she have been pushed from an aircraft?
	There are numerous farmhouses in the area.
	None report hearing any low-flying aircraft.
	Aliens?
	Even Peterson, the down-to-earth sort, he admits he's pondered extraterrestrial explanations.
	You never know, he said, quoting here precisely, I ain't gonna say they're out there, but I ain't gonna say they're not.
	I'm sure many of you heard this last week, but I think it's worth repeating.
	It was a clairvoyant using remote viewing techniques who was responsible for leading U.S.
	commandos to Saddam Hussein's hiding place in Iraq three years ago on the ground.
	You remember that?
	The hidey hole?
	Now this claim is being made by Uri Geller in an interview with a Reuters News Agency correspondent in Israel the day after Hussein was sentenced to death by Iraqi courts for crimes against humanity.
	So I don't know what Uri Geller knows or how he knows it.
	There are some who think it's Uri Geller who in fact did the remote viewing himself and that's how he knows.
	Otherwise, I certainly would like to interview Uri Geller, and if I don't, then George or somebody on this program certainly ought to, and find out how he got this information, where it came from.
	You think it could be true?
	You think a remote viewer really... I mean, what were the odds of a U.S.
	soldier going to a place where there was almost Invisible hole in the ground and finding this guy vertically standing in a hole in the ground.
	The odds are just, well, impossibly high it seems like.
	So let's venture into the, with all of that for your mind and a little something to think about.
	You think a remote viewer did that?
	Let's begin to take some calls.
	First time caller line, it would be Jim in Missouri.
	How you doing?
	Hey, good.
	Bart, are you there?
	I am.
	Yeah, I've got a gimpy phone here.
	I'm sorry, I might go out.
	I hear you just fine.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, I might go out at any time.
	You've been keeping me awake for years.
	I just have a simple question for you.
	Something I've been wondering about.
	There used to be a signal on AM radio band when I was a kid back in the 60s.
	Well, I can make an attempt.
	A lot of older radios, particularly, were subject to images.
	and things. You know, you turn it to the far left and you'd find this signal that almost sounded like Morse code.
	But now it's not there anymore. I wondered if you could explain to me what that was.
	Well, I can make an attempt. A lot of older radios, particularly, were subject to images.
	And unless you were totally outside of the broadcast band, the odds are pretty good you were hearing some kind of
	image, possibly from below, which would make it a harmonic below
	the broadcast band, which means a multiple of the signal.
	of some signal that was down below the broadcast band, which frequently was what's called CW, Continuous Wave, you know, Morse code, with stations identifying themselves frequently with three-letter calls, that kind of thing.
	So people would hear that on their broadcast radios, or it might have been an image, let's call it an image from a higher frequency, it's really hard to say, Modern radios are quite good in terms of being able to reject images at very least.
	I don't know what they can do for harmonics, but images.
	And so you don't hear as much of that.
	But it was kind of like magic.
	And that's, I'm afraid, an explanation that does work.
	Neanderthals may have given the modern humans who replaced them a priceless gift.
	That would be a gene that helped them develop superior brains.
	You know, the ones we have now.
	They call them superior.
	And the only way they could have provided that gift would have been interbreeding, according to a team at the Howard Hughes Medical Institute and the University of Chicago.
	The study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences provides indirect evidence that modern Homo sapiens and so-called Neanderthals interbred at some point when they lived side-by-side in Europe.
	Finding evidence of mixing is not all that surprising, but our study demonstrates the possibility that interbreeding contributed to advantageous variants into the human gene pool It looks like we may have interbred with the Neanderthals and the result is what you have today, what we have today, what we are today.
	So looking at it in that fashion, there's a little Neanderthal perhaps in all of us.
	and the result is what you have today, what we have today, what we are today.
	So looking at it in that fashion there's a little Neanderthal perhaps in all of
	us. What do you think? That's something you want to think about but it may well
	be.
	There are other scientists right now looking into the possibility that crop circles are the result of consciousness and DNA.
	I'll let you think about that one.
	I'm Art Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Coming up at the top of the hour is Jim Bell.
	Now, he's the lead scientist for the PanCam color imaging system on the NASA Mars Exploration Rover.
	You know the spirit and opportunity.
	He's the guy in charge of the cameras, so...
	This is going to be a very, very interesting program tonight, I sense.
	In the meantime, we're in open lines.
	Anything you want to talk about, fair game.
	So those are the appropriate portals to get in and ask a question or make a comment, which we'll be receiving in a
	moment Now some of you may have heard this before and I've
	expressed this view No, though never never so elegantly as it has been put here
	I think the life cycle is all backwards.
	By the way, those of you who commented that I look pretty good on the webcam, that was just a real quick webcam shot yesterday.
	Thank you very much.
	Perhaps there's something here that suits me.
	I don't know.
	Anyway, when you think about it, our life cycle is all in reverse.
	Or it could be better the other way around.
	In other words, you should begin, start out dead.
	Just get it right out of the way.
	You wake up in a senior care facility where you begin to feel better every day.
	And finally you get kicked out of there for, you know, just being too healthy.
	You go collect your pension.
	Then, when you finally do start work, you get a gold watch on your first day.
	You work 40 years until you're young enough to enjoy your retirement.
	You drink alcohol.
	You party.
	You're generally promiscuous and you get ready for high school.
	After high school, you go to primary school.
	You become a kid.
	You play or you nap all day.
	You have no responsibilities.
	Then you become a baby.
	With no cares whatsoever.
	Then you spend your last nine months floating peacefully with luxuries like central heating, spa treatments, room service on tap, larger living quarters, and you finish off as an orgasm.
	Now there would be a life cycle.
	Dave in San Diego, California, you are on the air.
	Oh, excellent.
	How's it going, Art?
	First time caller, but long time listener.
	Yes, sir.
	Just a scenario that was brought to my attention the other day.
	I was playing a video game at a friend's house.
	And I, in this video game, traveled to a friend's house in New York City.
	And in the video game, it looked just like my friend's house in New York City.
	Kind of scary that they've somehow taken pictures and added this technology to the video games to make it very realistic.
	Now, they've got video games out there like SoCalm and Other scenario video games that are very realistic that you can play online and you can talk with other people and the military technology that they put in these video games is scary.
	These video games, I'm sure that these people are categorized by their skill level.
	That's the play stuff, sir.
	Imagine what the real stuff is like.
	Right, well, that's what I'm thinking.
	You know, Honda has Developed humanoid robots, right?
	I've heard that.
	Well, now, the possible scenario that I'm thinking of is, well, I've listened to Alex Jones and I've heard about some of his things about the globalists and how they want to cut the population down to 500 million for the entire world.
	I thought you were going to say you thought he was a robot.
	No, no, no, no.
	But, so, you need to cut the population down massively.
	You don't want to use a nuclear bomb, obviously, because that's going to destroy major infrastructure and kill all of life, right?
	Yeah.
	So you would maybe use a virus, but then the virus could mutate on you and you may not have the possibility of vaccinating everybody.
	So the environment may be totally inhabitable.
	So you're kind of left with a massive scale invasion, right?
	So you maximize the infrastructure that you have and You can kill off all the people and not kill off all the wildlife, plants, animals and stuff.
	A massive invasion?
	Yeah.
	With robots.
	With military technology and video game consoles.
	You obviously couldn't get any force that's, I don't know, of any kind of Straight mind to invade?
	I don't think... Look, I don't think robots are ready to fight, Dave.
	I don't think... In fact, robots can barely walk.
	Robots can barely remain vertical.
	Robots have not made the kind of progress that was promised.
	Now, when I was small, and when many of you were small, and if you're not that old, then let me tell you, when we were small, it was promised to us in science fiction by the time we were Well, hell, not even my age.
	Robots would be doing it all for us.
	I think I said it yesterday that our arms would be hanging slack by our sides because robots would be fulfilling every little dirty duty that we don't want to do.
	And even the easier stuff, robots would be taking care of it all.
	So in terms of robots fighting or invading or thinning the population in any way at all, I can only imagine that it would be by the frustration of the makers trying to get them to actually work.
	Let's go to Oceanside, California, and Brian, you're on the air.
	Hey Art, long time no speak.
	The thing you mentioned earlier about the life cycle is reminiscent of Mork from Ork, because basically Robin Williams said on that show that when you were born old, and then as you get younger, as we would get older, then you have to go back.
	But no orgasm was involved.
	Well, I mean, why not?
	That's the way you begin, so that's the way you finish off.
	And it'd be kind of a fireworks finish.
	My topic was, I'd like to mention, I don't know if you heard, but the budget for 2007 is going to be for Iraq, and I assume this is for Iraq and Afghanistan.
	But it was $70 billion that's been approved so far, and the Pentagon and or our current Wow.
	No.
	No.
	The news from Iraq is really depressing today.
	billion. Did you hear anything about that? No, no. The news from Iraq is really
	depressing today. I mean you heard what Kissinger said, right? Yeah, I sure did.
	Yeah, and so many did.
	It's just all very depressing, that's all.
	Well, you know, we could win if we wanted to.
	If we had the will, we sure as hell have the power, and we could win.
	It's a matter of will.
	But did you hear what Bush said about learning a lesson from Vietnam not to quit?
	Um, that would be a fair comment.
	You don't think the Saigon would have fallen like the Berlin Wall would have fallen without our intervention, eventually?
	I mean, it just seems like we're so spinning our wheels.
	I mean, that figure is roughly $195 billion we're talking about for fiscal 2007.
	Do you know, sir, that there are a number of North Vietnamese generals who already were, at the time we got ready to pull out, admitting that they were defeated militarily.
	We had in our power the ability to defeat the North Vietnamese, North Vietnam, period.
	That's all there is to it.
	I don't care.
	Draw pictures and talk to me about China or anything else you want.
	We could have beat their butts and we chose not to.
	And I mean that.
	We chose not to win that war.
	Well, I agree there, but on the other hand, the situation, comparing Iraq to Vietnam is a little ridiculous anyway because it's a much larger country with a lot more problems that we'll never solve.
	Don't you agree?
	Never.
	No, actually, I don't agree.
	I really don't.
	I think that it's winnable.
	I think that we could end up with some sort of solution.
	It may require a complete reorganization of how we're approaching the whole problem.
	In fact, it may even require a reassessment of what our goals are.
	In Iraq, but I think we can conclude with something less than what's going to be regarded as a loss.
	I think we could end up with some sort of stability in the region, which really was one of the main goals there in the first place, right?
	Some sort of stability in the region.
	We have Syria, we have Iran to contend with, and of course Iraq is a mess.
	There's a lot, you know, we had this talk a couple of weeks ago and I'd be glad to get into it again with you.
	It's a worthy topic, it's something that we all ought to be talking about.
	I know it's not a normal topic for Coast to Coast AM, that is politics or the war or whatever, but it's something going on in our lives and it needs to be talked about.
	The American people really, really need to talk about this.
	Before we sort of let it go and we do have what is eventually regarded as a loss and we lose control of the entire region, that would not be a healthy thing for us as in US.
	We still require, for example, oil.
	It comes from that region and if we pick up sticks and leave Iraq, We're leaving a terrible geopolitical situation behind, just absolutely awful.
	We're leaving a vacuum that will be picked up probably by Iran, with Syria's assistance, and God knows what we're going to be left with.
	So, you bear in mind, we still need that oil.
	That's no minor matter.
	We need that oil.
	America runs on oil.
	Until we figure something else out, we've got to have that oil.
	So I'm not afraid to say it.
	I'm certain that one of the reasons we went to war was oil.
	One of the reasons we continue to be at war there is oil.
	Otherwise, if it was really to remove a A brutal dictator, what he was doing to his people.
	And we'd have been war down.
	We'd have been cleaning up the warlords in Somalia.
	We would have cleaned up Cambodia.
	We would have stopped the slaughter in Africa.
	We would have gone into so many other places.
	So let's be honest with ourselves.
	That's not the reason that we went in.
	That's not the reason we're there now.
	It's much more oil than anything else.
	On the fourth wildcard line in Phoenix, Arizona, Del, you are on the air.
	I have a question about time travel.
	You were talking about bringing data back and let me throw out a couple ifs and see if we could agree.
	To be fair, I had a guest who was talking about data being the first kind of time travel, yes.
	I agree.
	Let's assume we find a planet some 20 light years out in space and we use our time travel machine and we're going to decide to send a hundred scientists there And we're going to look at this planet and catalogue everything that's there.
	Once we get there, we find there's a small tropical island, and it is just full of plants and animals.
	Wait a minute.
	Are you talking about time travel?
	It sounds like you're talking about space travel.
	There is a big difference.
	I'm using time travel to get past the idea of, say, 20 light years away, so that we could be somewhere else in a blink of an eye.
	Hear me out.
	We sent, say, 100 scientists out to this island, and they stay there for 20 years.
	At the end, they have gathered 20 years' worth of data.
	When they come back, would, in effect, they not be bringing back the island, the inhabitants, the plants, the animals?
	If they bring back sufficient amounts of data, would, in effect, it not be that?
	Would they bring all the data back instantly, or would they have to set and relive it all over a 20-year period to actually see all the data?
	Think about that for a second.
	Well, I'll think about it for more than a second.
	I don't have any immediate answer for you, Del.
	I'm not sure I'm going to have to give that a lot of thought, because you're talking about travel in space as well as time.
	Or it may be that some aspect of time travel actually would be travel in space.
	So I've got to get that first part worked out before I can begin to answer the details of your question.
	Jim, in New Jersey, you're on the air.
	How are you doing, Art?
	This is Jim, a longtime listener, and I'd like to ask you a question about propagation over there in the Philippines, on the amateur bands and the wave in general.
	How is it over there compared to where you used to live in Nevada?
	Well, as I mentioned last night on the air, it's completely opposite of North America.
	In other words, are you a hemp?
	Oh, yes, yes.
	Okay, well then, as you're well aware, during this portion of the sun cycle, 20 meters, as a general rule, kind of closes up tighter than a drum a little bit after the sun has gone down, right?
	Correct.
	Okay, well here, 20 meters opens up Within minutes of the sun going down, and when I go to bed at 1 a.m.
	is still wide open.
	That's great.
	It's exactly opposite of North America, so it's really weird, buddy, really weird.
	That's fine.
	Have you talked on your 80 meter band over there yet, or have you hooked up your equipment?
	No, not yet.
	However, here's my dilemma.
	You see, I have... I kind of snuck my antenna up there.
	It was no small feat.
	I snuck my antenna up there.
	And I've got it presently in a place where it's not very well seen.
	And so I haven't been caught yet.
	But I went up prior to the program today and I can clearly see a way that I could get, say, a 250-foot loop up there.
	It could be done.
	Rather easily.
	The problem is that they will have a much easier time seeing my antenna, busting me and telling me to take it down.
	Now, there is this old, it's much easier to ask forgiveness than permission thing.
	But perhaps if they saw it was just a wire, which is all it would be, they wouldn't at all freak out, or maybe they would.
	But I can clearly see that I can get a pretty good long loop, what's called a loop antenna up there, which would be, I think, much more effective than what I have up there presently.
	Yeah, but I'll probably get busted.
	So, I was doing that survey just prior to the show today.
	I wouldn't be surprised to see myself back up on the roof for the next day or so, giving this loop a try.
	And even if I do get busted, I'll have a day or two in which to see how well it plays before they get me.
	So that's kind of the situation here.
	Once a ham, always a ham.
	Wild Card Line, Jim in Alabama, you're on the air.
	How you doing, Art?
	My wife and I were having a discussion after you mentioned that fellow in Israel that you're talking about.
	I didn't hear it clearly.
	I was in the other room about the remote viewer that the Israelis have.
	And I'd imagine... That's Uri Geller.
	Uri Geller is saying that it was a remote viewer that said where Saddam Hussein was down in the hole.
	Right.
	And we got into a discussion and I told her that I thought that I may have heard I've listened to you for years and I've heard Major Ed Daines, kind of a spooky guy, but I thought that someone had mentioned that there were quite a few exorcisms performed on members of his unit.
	I was wondering if you knew anything about that, if that was just something that I mistakenly heard?
	I think so.
	I don't recall a thing about exorcisms.
	No?
	Nothing at all?
	No.
	Okay.
	No, although I can imagine why you might suggest that that would be the case.
	Now, obviously behind his comment is the suggestion that remote viewers are, in essence, opening doors that allow the devil's representatives, if not the man himself, in, requiring the exorcism of the spirit.
	So, I guess that's what's suggested by what he just said.
	Now you may recall Ed Dames did remote view Lucifer and to be honest with you to this very day I feel that Ed Dames was a different man after remote viewing Lucifer and perhaps an exorcism in his case would be Appropriate.
	Now, he denies that.
	He says that he's not a different person after Lucifer, but I'm the guy who interviews him again and again and again and again, and I'm telling you, there is a difference in this man following his encounter with the spirit that he called Lucifer, and I really think he's a different guy.
	That's something that the subject, of course, would not admit.
	He would roundly deny, and Ed, of course, does deny it, but he's just a little bit different.
	Just a little bit different.
	And I know a lot of the rest of you detected a little bit of difference because you said so in many Fast Blasts and all the rest.
	Coming up after the break is Jim Bell.
	He's the guy who's running the cameras on the rover spacecraft on Mars.
	What a job that must be, huh?
	And submitted for his approval are some questions from Richard Hoagland.
	On the other side of the world, I'm Art Bell.
	There really is some irony in what I'm about to tell you.
	I don't know if irony is the right word, but Jim Bell is not going to be here, I'm told.
	Bear in mind that I'm speaking to you from the other side of the world.
	My neighbors are China, Vietnam, Indonesia.
	In other words, I'm really, really far away.
	The actual other side of the world.
	Right?
	And we can't get a good connection with Jim Bell.
	Now, Jim Bell Is in a hotel somewhere.
	They haven't told me where.
	In fact, back there in California, you might pipe in and tell me what state he's in.
	He's probably in California, I imagine.
	Though I don't know that.
	He's in a hotel someplace or another.
	In New York.
	Right, he's in New York.
	In New York!
	Well, New York ought to be right at the top of the heap, you would think, in terms of telephone connections, right?
	Now he's at some hotel and his room connection was not airable.
	It was so bad it was just not airable.
	So, he transferred to the business, you know every hotel has a little business area where you can go and get a telephone or a computer connection or whatever it is you need as a business person, right?
	And it had so much static, it's not airable.
	So Jim Bell is not airable.
	I don't know, it's kind of ironic that here I am on the other side of the world, completely arable, and Jim Bell in New York isn't.
	Therefore, ladies and gentlemen, open lines.
	Anything you want to talk about is fair game.
	I just heard kind of a cute promo during the break, and I remember I did this a long time ago, and it really might be fun to do again.
	Because I know it's something that an awful lot of you have considered, and that is, I would like to hear from some people out there who have made a deal with the devil.
	Now, I know this is something you're probably not going to want to talk about, but if there's anybody out there who's made a deal with the devil, now that means even These deals can be made very silently.
	You can make one in your own mind.
	You can just think a deal with the devil.
	You can be so frustrated, so hurt, in such a tough spot in life, maybe you've lost your wife and your job and your, you know, this and that, and you're really in bad shape, and so you have a moment there where you say, all right, Alright, if there's really a devil, God hasn't done his job for me and I've prayed and I've prayed, so if there's a devil out there, I'll make a deal with you, make my life right, and you got a deal.
	And we all know what, well there's really only one thing the devil wants, right?
	So how many of you have actually made a deal with the devil?
	I really would like to know.
	So if you're one of those people, by all means pick up on one of those phone numbers and give me a call.
	At any rate, it looks very much like Open Lines are directly ahead, so if you have something you want to say, not just deals with the devil, but anything at all you want to get on Open Lines, here we are.
	will begin in a moment.
	Seems to me New York City is the virtual hub of communications for the entire world.
	So, not to be able to get a good connection with somebody who, frankly, does the work for NASA.
	I mean, you know, the camera work for the rovers and all the rest of that would have been a blast.
	What we will do is we'll reschedule Jim Bell for next week at a location where he has a telephone that can actually communicate.
	But I just can't imagine being in a New York City hotel.
	I can imagine a room phone being bad.
	But when you go to the business section, you ought to be able to get a connection that's airable.
	That's absolutely amazing.
	And yet, here I am.
	Here I am on the virtual other side of the world.
	The actual other side of the world.
	Open lines.
	I have no problem with that whatsoever.
	Let's begin with Mike in New Mexico.
	Mike, hello.
	Hi.
	I had a question.
	Well, actually, maybe a comment about the call from New York that didn't go through.
	Yes.
	I was probably due to... I was watching a report on Bill Myers... Bill Moyers, rather, on America.
	It was on, like, the digital divide, and how America was sort of lacking in that, and how it was below 15th in the world as far as broadband.
	It's true.
	Boy, are you ever right, buddy.
	Mike, you're absolutely correct.
	Take the Philippines, which is widely regarded as kind of a third world country, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, here in the Philippines, whether you're in Manila, where I'm located, the big city, Or whether you're on Minnow, out in the middle of nowhere, we have what's called G3 here.
	Now, I just recently bought myself and my wife a Sony cell phone, and this is a picture phone.
	In other words, you can see the person you're talking to.
	Oh wow!
	And they can see you.
	And that's accomplished with something called G3, which we presently only have in a few cities.
	San Francisco perhaps has G3 and one or two other cities.
	But the Philippines is far, far ahead of the U.S.
	in terms of cellular communication.
	So it's true, the infrastructure is kind of raggedy.
	Yeah, you know, you figure the American taxpayers paid for it, they gave a lot of these telecommunication companies tax breaks back
	in the 90s to put in this infrastructure and what they did was they
	took the rebates and ran. They didn't build the infrastructure now
	you know like I said we're 15th. You have gigabit connections over in Japan.
	No you're dead right Mike.
	The other thing is that the U.S.
	built its infrastructure a very long time ago.
	We're basically a copper country.
	In other words, most of what's letting people communicate from A to B in the U.S.
	is copper wire.
	And here in the Philippines, almost everything is is at the speed of light. We have everything delivered by
	light.
	So there you are. Countries that have done it recently have done it with the newer infrastructure,
	and the U.S. is old. It's time to rebuild.
	Well, like I said, we gave them the money, and they already said we were going to build it.
	And this was more than a decade ago, and I think it's about time somebody does something about it.
	But you know what?
	Michael Powell of the FCC just is not interested.
	Well, it's going to require an awful lot.
	It's going to require tearing down a lot of copper and putting in a lot of fiber, which of course is what I meant by light.
	That's just not something you can do overnight.
	It's not just telephones either.
	I noticed when I was young, Mike, that our roads, our interstate highways and our roads were in pretty damn good shape.
	I mean, you could roll along and hardly feel a bump.
	Well, you take a ride now across I-40 or I-5 or I-10 and it's in pretty damn poor shape.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's not just the phone system.
	We need an infrastructure renewal in the United States.
	Well, maybe that's a 08 platform campaign right there.
	Well, it sure is, isn't it?
	There you go.
	All right, Mike, thank you very much for the call.
	And Mike is, unfortunately, absolutely right.
	It's pretty pathetic when you consider it.
	We should be at the head of the list in these things, not at the back of the 13th or 14th or whatever it is.
	But to not be able to get an airable telephone connection from New York is just really pathetic.
	And it does have to do with the infrastructure.
	And as I mentioned, we of course built very early.
	We were one of the very early, one of the first countries to get telecommunications
	strung out across the nation.
	And we did it with copper.
	The problem is that we never really changed it.
	And an awful lot of the infrastructure remains copper, while other countries sort of waited, saw fiber come along and built their infrastructure with fiber.
	So they're able to deliver these really high broadband connections for whatever purpose, whether it be a telephone call or a video conference or cellular connections or whatever.
	To have other countries ahead of the U.S.
	is just, I don't know, it's kind of frustrating, but it's absolutely true.
	Let's go to Mojave, California, and say, Charles, hello there, buddy, you're on the air.
	Yes, long-time listener, and I think this is the second time in my life I've managed to get in, and I'm sorry that the other bell couldn't make it.
	I wanted to ask him, About his opinion of the possibility of micro-launchers.
	It's a plan in development to try to create access means to hundreds of near-Earth asteroids by developing a very tiny class of spacecraft weighing only a couple hundred grams that could be launched by the hundreds.
	I've of course heard about this.
	I'm not familiar with the details but it's fascinating.
	Well if you Google the word you can I'll track down my web page and check it out.
	Oh, you have a website on it, all right.
	Yeah, it's called microlaunchers.com.
	The idea is to do with space access what happened with the computer.
	Today's technology now permits, there's a couple people who are building little RC model airplanes that weigh less than one gram total.
	In other words, the parts and techniques to make things that are really small is not readily available.
	And complete spacecraft with diode-laser communication to relay data down to Earth is possible now and has been for about 10 years.
	And these things can be built and flown by the hundreds at very, very low cost.
	Well, right, okay, they're all small.
	How do you get them together to do something large?
	Well, there's no need for that.
	Just shooting past NEOs, asteroids, And then eventually landing on them is doable one at a time.
	Okay.
	With what purpose in mind?
	You mean to move their orbits?
	No, no, no.
	To explore them, check them out.
	Some of these, it turns out, may well have exploitable resources such as hydrates locked up in their minerals, which would be a valuable source of water, you know, in space.
	Oh, well that's true.
	The lunar ice story is apparently drying up.
	Yeah, I know, I heard that too.
	I wonder how they could make that mistake.
	I mean, they thought they saw a very great deal of lunar ice.
	No, what they saw was hydrogen.
	What they only supposed was the hydrogen was in the form of the H2O, but the hydrogen could also have been implanted solar wind, and now they're suspecting that that's the case.
	In any case, they did observe hydrogen.
	Well, you know, if we got that much wrong, I wonder how much else we have wrong.
	Things that we thought we saw and turned out to be something else.
	It's not so much wrong, it's a question of how you interpret the data that they were able to get.
	Again, their instrument could only see hydrogen, and it couldn't tell what chemical form it was in.
	I wonder if there is water on Mars, if we are ever to do anything really in deep space.
	Oh, there positively is.
	Water vapor in the atmosphere has been observed telescopically for decades and decades.
	Well, I hope you're right because we've got to have it or we're not going to really be going into space.
	Near-Earth asteroids may be an easier way to get to water.
	It is a known fact that many of the kind of materials that these asteroids are made of have a substantial amount of water locked up as what's called hydrates in the minerals.
	And these, some of these are extremely easy to reach.
	There was one that passed us by a while back at a velocity of only 580 meters per second, about Mach 3.
	Right.
	And in space terms, that's crawling.
	And there are thousands of these things.
	And with tiny spacecraft created by the hundreds, it's possible to explore these in a way that the present, what I'm calling the mainframe era of space exploration, cannot do.
	Mm-hmm.
	How do you get them, in other words, everything that you get into space, you've got to get to escape velocity, right?
	Correct, yes.
	And the way is to develop an extremely small launcher.
	The original notion was a thousand pound launcher that weighs a thousand pounds at liftoff and delivers one pound to escape.
	That ratio has to be about 1,000 to 1.
	It is definitely doable with today's rocket technology.
	On the website, I hint at how that can be done, and I'm in the process of working that out.
	All right, Charles.
	Intriguing idea, to be sure.
	And you're not the first one to have mentioned it.
	And I still don't fully understand it.
	I know that to get anything big done up there, you really need weight.
	And I've had a lot of discussions with people who are in the aerospace industry.
	And of course, it's all a weight to cost question.
	It costs so much to get even one pound out of Earth's influence.
	Even one pound.
	Very, very expensive.
	Let's go to Steve in Brookline, Massachusetts.
	Hi, Steve.
	Oh, hi, Art.
	Can you hear me OK?
	I hear you, well, OK, yes.
	OK.
	I'll get a little closer.
	The producer said that maybe I wasn't coming in too clearly.
	I agree with Kissinger about we can't win over there.
	Things are getting terrible.
	What Kissinger said was, we cannot win militarily.
	Now, I just don't buy that.
	Well, we cannot win militarily.
	Already.
	Why is that?
	Already we can see how the killings are getting worse and worse as the years progress.
	We've been over there four years.
	And another point I'd like to make is the fact that we should not get involved in their civil war.
	which is another reason why we we should pull out, we shouldn't be involved with their
	civil war as for the insurgency
	our very presence is the cause
	of the insurgency so let's connect the dots
	well, I'm not at all sure they wouldn't be fighting now Without the iron hand of Saddam Hussein there, or somebody else's iron hand, there has been this trouble going on for a long time.
	It was just waiting for the iron hand to move back far enough to begin getting at each other's throats once again.
	I think anything that would allow them a little bit of freedom would allow them the freedom to fight.
	And that's what they're doing.
	Now I'm not saying that our presence there is not the cause of a great deal of the insurgency.
	Certainly it is.
	But there are a number of ways of looking at that.
	And one of them is...
	That you may have noticed since 9-11, nothing else horrible has happened yet.
	And one of the reasons for that, I believe, is that we're keeping them busy in Iraq.
	Now, we're going to end up fighting them in one place or another.
	Given a choice, I'd prefer having it on somebody else's shore, not ours.
	And I really do think that the one thing you can give our military credit for right now is the fact that they are fighting in Iraq and not in New York City, or Los Angeles, or San Francisco, or Seattle, or one of those places.
	In other words, it's been pretty quiet out there, hasn't it?
	Since 9-11, and there's a reason for that, and I think Iraq is one of the main reasons.
	If we walk away from Iraq and just let whatever is going to be to be, then eventually that's going to be used as a base of operations, as so much of the rest of the Middle East is, to launch operations against us.
	And it's going to be on our shores once again.
	Now that may be the position of a warmonger.
	I'm sure I'll get emails.
	I certainly do every week when I say something like this.
	We are fighting them there, and I'd rather fight them there than I would here.
	Do any of you really, really doubt that they want us dead?
	They've said it again and again and again.
	They want us dead.
	They don't want to modify our policy.
	There perhaps was a time when they wanted that.
	I'm sure they would have us change our policy, but even if we do, they still want us dead.
	They want us to convert, or they want us to die.
	When you have somebody who has that kind of frame of mind, that you're either going to join them in their religion, and you're going to cover up, and you're going to cover up your women, and you're going to operate your life in an entirely different way than you've been operating it, or you're going to die, well then you've probably got a fight on your hands.
	If you're a red-blooded American, you've definitely got a fight on your hands, and we've got a fight on our hands.
	Where do we want to have that fight?
	We want to have that fight in New York, L.A., Seattle, Chicago, or Baghdad and its surroundings.
	I think that's something we all need to be asking ourselves before we give up, toss down the rifles, and leave.
	Anyway, that's my view, and I know it's certainly not shared by all, but I think it is realistic.
	From Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell.
	Jim Bell was scheduled to be here.
	He can't make it because he can't get a good phone connection in New York City at the hotel.
	Neither in his room, nor in the business center supplied by the hotel.
	And even if I knew the hotel's name, I guess, under the circumstances, I wouldn't air it.
	He can't get a good phone connection, so we're going to try and schedule Jim Bell for next week.
	In the meantime, we're up to open lines, which means, well, virtually anything goes.
	I am looking for a few people out there who have made a deal with the devil.
	Now, I do have a screener.
	Back there, because of the nature of the distances involved in doing the program this way, I have a screener.
	So if my screener would be kind enough to simply type in anybody who claims that they've made a deal with the devil so I can quickly go to that line ahead of the others, I would appreciate that.
	Otherwise, we'll sort of peruse around and see what there is in the night.
	That's what open lines are all about.
	back to it in a moment now all our lines are full
	and I don't see one that's marked with deal with the devil or
	anything of the sort.
	But I know that a lot of people have done that.
	I know a lot of you have made deals with the devil because, well, we've all thought about it.
	At times of intense strife or difficulty, personally, we've all thought about it, making a deal with the devil.
	So I know people have done it, and I also know people probably wouldn't want to talk about it, but I'd be very interested in anybody with the cojones to come forward and say they have made a deal with the devil and sort of see how it's worked out.
	Now let's go to New York City, somebody apparently who does have a phone connection.
	Maria, you are on the air.
	Oh, hi Art.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	Sure.
	Well, I wanted to talk tonight about SCAC.
	About what?
	Have you heard about that?
	About what?
	ESSIAC.
	E-S-S-I-A-C.
	No.
	It's an herbal, basically a purification tonic.
	And it, you know, it really breaks my heart to hear people, you know, talk about wishing there was a cure for cancer.
	This is a cure for cancer.
	That's quite a claim to make, Marie-Anne.
	You should be very careful because... Dr. Charles Brush.
	Okay, well, listen Maria, I don't want you to get anybody in trouble.
	There really are no cures we're aware of for cancer yet.
	You're saying that this herbal something or another is a cure for cancer.
	That's a claim you should be very careful about making.
	I'm not saying it's not, and who knows?
	It might be, but what evidence do you have?
	It's already been published.
	There's been tons of studies done.
	I won't go through that.
	It's marketed as FlorEssence by Flora Company, F-L-O-R-A.
	And Dr. Charles Brush said, not only is it a cure for cancer, it is the best one he ever found.
	And when he got sick, that was the only thing that he used to cure himself.
	So that's pretty strong evidence along with all the other, you know, it's been massively tested and, you know, your hesitance and what you're saying to show, you know, how strong the cancer industry is and, you know, trying to suppress these things, but it's just something.
	Why don't you do a show about it?
	Can you look into it?
	I will look into it, Maria.
	That's all I can promise.
	I'll look into it.
	I'm not saying there are not things that would cure cancer out there, but documenting one case of somebody who cured themselves that way does not in itself prove that.
	There was somebody else who I think was Carrot juice.
	Yeah, that's right.
	It was carrot juice, carotene.
	This gal drank so much, and she too was a doctor.
	Many of you will recall her name.
	She drank so much carrot juice that she actually turned orange.
	And she claimed that too was a cure for cancer.
	And in fact, it did arrest her cancer, or her cancer did arrest, might be another way to put it.
	But one case of somebody doing something or having their cancer arrested, doing whatever it is they're doing with herbal whatever, Hello?
	not justify a claim of quote a cancer cure and so you've got to be very careful about
	that because there are an awful lot of people out there suffering terribly with cancer and
	of course they would jump at anything like that that's said but I suppose people can
	google it and find out for themselves.
	Let's go to Chase in Missouri.
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Art?
	Yes.
	Yeah, I would just like to say how much I appreciate your show.
	I'm a law enforcement officer in Missouri and you make the nights go by a lot faster.
	Good.
	Oh, yes.
	I hear your radio.
	Yeah.
	Well, what I was wondering last night, you had that guy come on, was talking about fixing up the United States and the economy and what have you.
	Back during the Depression, Didn't they start building the highways and the super highways and what have you to kind of help fix the economy?
	They did.
	Yes, that is correct.
	And why couldn't they start doing that again to to help raise the economy?
	Well, Chase, I guess they could.
	And I'm even suggesting it's one hell of a good idea.
	I mean, our infrastructure, to be honest, is kind of falling apart.
	Our roads are not what they once were.
	Do you agree with that?
	Yes.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm on them every day.
	Yeah, they're falling apart.
	And the really cool California freeways that used to be so smooth and wonderful and new are now rutted, pitted, affected by the sun, just in terrible shape.
	And the same goes for our telecommunications.
	It's just not what it once was.
	But, yeah, I mean, I think that if they would just start hiring people to fix all that stuff up, I just think that would help out of our economy tremendously.
	Well, I agree with you, Chase, and I don't know what it's going to take.
	I don't know if we could have another sort of work project that would get everybody going.
	We don't have the kind of unemployment that we had during the Depression.
	We certainly couldn't pay people what we paid during that time.
	But what we could do is employ alien labor.
	Now, I know there's a big, big, big controversy going on in the United States right now about immigration to the U.S., but What would be wrong with using immigrants' license to come across the border and perhaps eventually earn citizenship through this method?
	And going to serious work on the infrastructure in the U.S., why not?
	Roads?
	Highways?
	Communication systems?
	It all seriously needs work.
	And of course, as we know, we're putting billions of dollars into the war and other efforts right now.
	Money that of course could be used for infrastructure.
	I think it's kind of sad.
	I mean, I recall when I was young and the roads and the interstates and the highways were new.
	What a pleasure it was to drive from coast to coast.
	Well, that pleasure has to some degree evacuated.
	I wonder how many Evaporated is the word.
	I wonder how many of you feel the same thing, that the roads and the infrastructure of the U.S.
	is just not what it once was.
	It's sort of grown old and fallen into disrepair, and that applies to bridges and just all kinds of things.
	It's old, whereas it once was new, it's now old.
	Now in Europe, if you look around in Europe, for example, you go to France, you will find their infrastructure is Incredibly, unaccountably superb.
	Now I know they pay a lot of taxes.
	But my God, they've got an underground rail system that is just so easy and such a pleasure to use.
	You don't see any graffiti.
	The trains run on time.
	Yes, I know what they say about trains running on time.
	But, you know, everything is clean.
	Everything is basically made of stone.
	It's a very different kind of environment in Europe.
	And they have succeeded in keeping their infrastructure up to date, whereas we have not.
	Why?
	It's really a very, very good question.
	We'll go to, well, let's see, let's go to Jeff in California.
	You're on the air, Jeff.
	Hey, how you doing, Art?
	Just fine.
	Oh, boy, I'm a long-time listener and just tried to get ahold of you and got right in.
	Boy, I just can't believe I'm talking to you.
	Well, you are.
	Man, how you doing out in the Philippines now?
	I'm doing fine.
	Oh, that's great.
	I was in Okinawa back in 1975, and boy, that's one country that I wanted to go to while I was there.
	I was there for over a year.
	Boy, I sure miss Okinawa.
	I spent 10 years on Okinawa.
	Did you?
	Yes, I was there originally in the Air Force.
	Oh, at Kadena?
	At Kadena Air Force Base, yes.
	And then I turned right around, went back to Okinawa, and went to work for KSBK, which was in Naha, Okinawa.
	You remember KSBK?
	Yeah!
	I was based right out of Naha.
	Man, boy, I can imagine how much it's changed since back in the day.
	Well, of course, you would not recognize it.
	It went back to Japan, as you well know, and it's now expensive.
	It's kind of a vacation retreat for the Japanese, and you wouldn't recognize it.
	Yeah, you know, back when I was back in Okinawa, back in those days, gasoline back then was like $3.25 a gallon.
	To buy and put gas in your car, I just could not believe it.
	But then look at it today, and I thought there's no way in the United States that the gas would ever get that high.
	But with this war going on, oh man.
	Art, the reason I called tonight is that there's been some recent UFO sightings in Northern California.
	I live by Red Bluff, California, and you know they said back in the 60s and 70s there was Tons of UFO sightings in this area and it was in they put a bunch of writing about in the Project Blue Book and you know I would very much like to try to find out how I could get all can you just go into walk into a library and check that out or do you have to go if you're talking about Blue Book Jeff you can certainly get a copy of the final report of Blue Book but I
	Honestly, I don't think you're going to get a lot out of it.
	It basically concluded by suggesting that whatever these things are, and there were of course a percentage of cases that they investigated that they had no answer for whatsoever, but even that said, they concluded by saying that whatever these things are, they're not a threat to national security.
	And I've always marveled At that.
	Think about it a little bit.
	If things are traversing our atmosphere at many times the speed of sound, many times faster than the speed of sound than any aircraft we have is capable of, that we're aware of, and they're in our airspace and we cannot control them, we cannot shoot them down, We cannot in any way have any effect on them whatsoever.
	They simply do with our airspace what they want.
	If that is not a threat to national security, then what is?
	I've always wondered about that.
	Let's go to Tara.
	What a very nice name.
	Tara in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
	Hello Art.
	Hi.
	I'm calling about the terrorist attacks and the argument used that we haven't been hit since 9-11.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Well, the first time they hit us, the World Trade Center rather, was in 1993.
	And it took eight years for them to hit us again on 9-11.
	So the argument that it's been five years and we haven't had another attack here doesn't necessarily, I don't see what that means that we're keeping them busy over there.
	Well, it doesn't absolutely mean it, but certainly 9-11, the success from their point of view of 9-11, would encourage them to hit us harder with something else, perhaps a nuclear or biological weapon, something like that.
	Exactly.
	Well, wouldn't that possibly take longer than eight years?
	You know, the five year timeline and us not having been hit yet, it's like that doesn't necessarily mean that there's nothing out there Waiting to happen that they just haven't come to fruition yet.
	Oh, you're absolutely right.
	And that's what I'm scared of.
	We don't need to feel so secure because we're keeping them busy over there.
	They're still warning and I think they have this great desire to hit us again, probably worse than 9-11, like 9-11 was worse than the first Workplace Center attack.
	We can't leave Iraq.
	We're there, like you said.
	We're there.
	We cannot.
	Well, Tara, right now they've got people strapping explosives to their chests and blowing themselves to smithereens.
	It's unbelievable.
	You know, we can't comprehend that.
	I can't.
	That just doesn't...
	Yes, they do that.
	And if they're not doing that there, do you honestly think, Tara, that eventually, if we were to leave Iraq, that we would not be facing that kind of thing in U.S.
	cities?
	Well, I think we're facing it now.
	Yes, we definitely.
	We can't just leave there.
	We cannot.
	Now we have Iran.
	It's all so interlinked.
	We can't just leave Iraq now.
	We're in a no-win situation, I feel.
	There's no good position to take now.
	It does seem that way, doesn't it?
	I don't know.
	I feel so lost.
	What can we do?
	What can we do?
	If I had the answers, Tara, I wish I did too.
	I don't think anyone does really.
	But I guess we agree that we do have to remain there and we have to find a way to have a resolution to this that doesn't include just dropping our guns and leaving.
	That's my... I feel very strongly about that, and I do think there is something to the fact that we are engaging them on another shore, and if we were to just give up and walk away, that eventually we'd be engaging them on our shore.
	And that's not to say that we may not again.
	Tara's absolutely right.
	Because we have gone five years without any follow-up attack to 9-11 doesn't mean there won't be one.
	There may well be.
	But I guess I'm still pleased that we're fighting them on other shores in Afghanistan and Iraq rather than in the U.S.
	because I think if we do withdraw, eventually we will be fighting them in the U.S.
	On the international line, in Canada, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Hi Ken, you're on.
	Hi Art, it's Ken from Winnipeg.
	Yes.
	I just wanted to touch on the terror debate.
	Fire away.
	Well, I just finished while I'm reading The Al-Qaeda Connection.
	Have you ever heard of that book by Paul Williams?
	I've heard of it.
	I have not yet read it.
	Well, I'd advise everybody to read it.
	If it's as true as this guy says it is, then I'd advise them to read it.
	It'll change their minds about dealing with terror, and it'll give them some resolve anyway.
	It claims they have nuclear weapons.
	They have labs set up to service them.
	That they're planning simultaneous takeovers of U.S.
	cities, 12 of them.
	Well, Ken, if they don't have them yet, even if that's not yet absolutely true, we all know they're going to have them.
	They're going to lay their hands on either nuclear devices or some sort of biological weapon that would be a weapon of mass destruction.
	And does anybody out there, including you, doubt for one second that if they had them, they'd use them?
	Well, they're very patient, like that woman was just saying.
	He's spending billions to set this up, according to his book.
	It took him eight years to hit the towers again.
	I think he said it took him two years to plan the coal bombing, then five years to plan the bombing in Kenya.
	With the money he's spending, he wants it to be simultaneous.
	He wants it so he can take the Western economy right out of the picture, right?
	Well, it's going to be hard to top 9-11, but I guess that's what they're working on.
	Yeah, like if people want to know about the interconnections, the inner workings of the Al-Qaeda, this guy, I listened to him on coast to coast there and he said he couldn't sleep nights for what he knew.
	He sounded very sincere.
	Well, I believe it can, and I think that, as I mentioned, if it's not a nuclear device, and it may well be, if it's not a nuclear device, then it's going to be some sort of biological I mean, people who are willing to strap dynamite on their chest and then blow up a restaurant full of Westerners or whatever else they're blowing up, these kinds of people would not hesitate one second to take a biological agent, nuclear device,
	Set it off and kill as many of us as they're able to.
	And I really don't think any of you out there doubt that, do you?
	It's just how we approach the problem.
	That's where we differ.
	From Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell.
	Tim Bell was supposed to be here as guest, but he couldn't find a good phone, couldn't get a good phone in a New York hotel, neither in his room nor the business area of the hotel.
	That alone is something to contemplate.
	In the meantime, no problem.
	We're doing open lines and anything you want to talk about is fair game.
	I am soliciting those who have made a deal with the devil and yet find one.
	Even one.
	Now remember, Screener, if you find one, put down devil or deal with devil or something so that I will know and be able to jump to that line instantly.
	But thus far, in one hour of searching, we have not found one person who's made a deal with the devil, and I know you're out there.
	As Father Martin used to say, so many perfectly possessed walking the streets, he could see them, he could recognize them as he passed them in the streets, so y'all are out there, you just don't talk a lot.
	We'll be back in a moment.
	Aha! You see my screen does not perhaps update as often as it should, so I missed wild card
	line three which apparently has somebody who has made a deal with the devil.
	Hello there.
	Hi, how are you doing?
	I'm okay.
	And your first name is?
	I'm Chris.
	You're Chris.
	And Chris, where are you?
	I'm calling from Glassboro, New Jersey.
	New Jersey.
	Okay.
	Well, land where many people have made deals with the devil, to be sure.
	So, what kind of deal did you strike up?
	Well, you mentioned earlier that it may not be like a contractual deal, but a deal that you make yourself.
	Absolutely, it's just something you can say in your mind.
	Well, let's find out what you did say.
	So you kind of made a deal in your mind.
	What was your situation when you made the deal?
	Well, as you sort of mentioned, I was Without going into too much detail, I was sort of down on the way things were going, and it was sort of the... And I was kind of unpleasantly surprised because, as we'll get to in a minute, because I never thought that anything would actually happen.
	And, you know, it sort of didn't work out that way.
	But, well, so what happened was, I was... It was a quiet night, and I'm just sitting there, and I started thinking in my head, What if I sold my soul?
	Well now, I said, what the hell?
	I'd rather not say the entire thing verbatim again, if you don't mind, because it really wasn't too pleasant the first time.
	Well, look, listen to me now.
	Just your repeating it does not constitute doing the deal again.
	So you don't have to worry about that.
	You can tell us what you said.
	Well, that's a good point.
	All right.
	I said, if life would pick up, if the misery would stop, I will sell my soul.
	And I don't I didn't, like I said, I didn't think anything would really happen, but as the days went on, and I started to notice things, things were little things to start that would just suddenly go my way.
	Like, I would, I'm a pretty compulsive gambler, and all of a sudden started winning very large sums of money.
	Very large sums of money and I couldn't explain it.
	I'd never been, I'd never had any sort of luck and all of a sudden, you know, there it was just being dumped right in your lap.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	More or less.
	And, and even, you know, with, with, uh, with relationships and things and, you know, I, I, uh, started getting involved with a woman not to, not to, uh, Long after that either, and you know, I hate to say it, but maybe fortunately or unfortunately for me, my life has taken a turn for the better since the proverbial deal was made.
	Yes.
	And I'm sure that as you get comfortable with your winnings and your women, at some point you think back and you say to yourself, oh my God, I did make that deal and now it's going better.
	Is there a way I can take it back?
	Well, more or less.
	And that sort of brings up a question that I'd like to pose to you, Art.
	A contractual agreement would have to be one where both parties Would agree to terms, wherein if I say that I will sell my soul, then someone will have to be there on the other end to finalize the deal.
	Would you agree with that?
	I would, yes.
	Well, then the question that, I mean, I've been asking myself pretty much over and over is, is this a deal that I made or is it more just a psychological A psychological thing.
	Sounds like a deal to me, buddy.
	Sorry, it does.
	I mean, if you say this in your mind, that you are willing to, for a better life, and obviously your life has improved, sell your soul to the devil, I would say you sold your soul to the devil.
	Is there any way to modify or cancel this contract?
	I doubt it.
	So I'm in for the long haul, am I?
	Well, I'm sure.
	I mean, you know, Christians say that there is forgiveness for everything.
	So I guess you could hang on to that if you want to.
	But my feeling is that a deal is a deal is a deal.
	Even if the other side of the deal wasn't exactly... Vocal?
	Vocal or present, if you would say, at the time of the deal.
	We are.
	I mean, you weren't vocal either.
	I mean, you said all this in your head, basically, right?
	That's true.
	But that also brings to the point, was there ever a deal?
	Because when I think of the contemporary Thinking of what a deal is, is, you know, a signed contract.
	And obviously there is nothing like that that has ever transpired.
	So has a deal really been made?
	Well, if you feel comfortable in the fact that you don't have an actual signed contract, then if it comforts you, that's good.
	But I mean, I really think a deal's a deal.
	I guess, you know, at the appropriate moment, you'll find out.
	Yeah, I suppose I will.
	In the meantime, I would just say enjoy life.
	Yeah, I'm trying to do that, but at the same time, you know, it doesn't make these enjoyments half as sweet as they would be, because now I think Well, is it me who is doing that?
	Well, alright, let me try this question on you.
	Would you say that the difference in your life after you made the deal was so drastic that it made you believe you really did cut the deal?
	At certain times, yes.
	At certain times, yes.
	I mean, there are times when, and pretty much I just, I try to I go through things in my mind to try to assure myself that it hasn't happened, but I'm not so sure some of the time, and it really is a scary thing.
	And as you said, to think that maybe, you know, there is no recourse, that maybe this is what it is, and that's it.
	Well, listen, I wish you luck, and what you can hang on to, I guess, is the Christian belief that there is forgiveness for everything.
	I personally don't believe that.
	I'd like to be more encouraging here, but... I would like you to be too, actually.
	I'm sorry.
	No, that's alright.
	I love you.
	Don't worry about it.
	You enjoy life, buddy.
	Oh, you do the same, and I love the show.
	Thank you very, very much for the call, and for having the colonies come on here and say you made the deal.
	No, I know, I know, and it's one of the difficult propositions in the Christian world that I do have trouble with.
	If you have done something evil or wrong, really bad, I don't have the understanding for how you can, for example, if you're Catholic, let's say, go into confession and walk away clean.
	You know, a few Hail Marys and whatever all, and walk away clean.
	I just, I can't in my own mind buy into that.
	It may well be true, but I just am unable to buy into that.
	That everything is forgiven.
	You can even murder.
	You can do this, you can do that, and then be forgiven if you're properly, if you have proper contrition.
	I just, I sort of never bought that.
	I've always felt that there's going to be retribution for whatever it is that you have done.
	So I don't know what to say, sir.
	Sounds like you struck a deal.
	Sounds like it's working out the way you had hoped.
	And it sounds like you're having some reservations about what you did.
	First time caller on the line, Dan in Indiana.
	You're on the air.
	How are you doing, Archie?
	I'm OK, sir.
	All right.
	I want to tell you about an experience I had.
	And actually, I want to know if you've ever heard anything like this, or if any of your listeners have heard this.
	I'm a big skeptic when it comes to supernatural things, and I had something that kind of shook me a bit, and then I had another experience that actually opened my eyes.
	What happened was, back in 2002, earlier that year, I was laying in bed with my wife.
	Sleep.
	Deep, sound asleep.
	And I get this feeling that something's watching me.
	And it's not like watch, like a glance, kind of like I'm being studied.
	Something's really strongly looking at me.
	I wake up, because it's that strong, and I immediately look over into the direction of the edge of the bed, and I see the head.
	It's like an older lady, but the face is completely green, and I don't see a body.
	Green?
	Excuse me, did you say green?
	Yes, I did.
	Okay.
	And I don't see a body at all.
	I'm not saying there wasn't one.
	I just don't see it.
	I focused on the head, and the head is about a foot away from me, eye level, with me laying down.
	God, a green, lonely head.
	Well, it obviously freaks me out, so I push away from it, until I bump into my wife.
	I look over at her, and I look back.
	The strange thing about this, and what I remember clearly, is that this head, this face, was just as shocked to see that I was awake.
	It was like I shouldn't have woke up.
	And the head slowly starts backing away and raising up as if almost into a standing position.
	I look at my wife and I look back and the head is really still raising up.
	I look back at her again because I hit her pretty hard.
	And now she's looking at me and I look back and the head's gone.
	No, no, wait a minute.
	You hit who hard?
	Your wife?
	I bumped into her.
	My wife.
	Okay, so by now she's awake, right?
	Right, she's awake and the head's gone.
	Is she seeing the green head?
	She did not see it.
	So in my mind I'm thinking, First, I knew I saw it, and I'm convinced.
	As a year or two passed, I'm thinking, I dreamed it.
	I know I dreamed it.
	I might have been in that state of half-consciousness until this happened.
	Last year, a friend of mine gives me a call.
	And he's almost a lifelong friend.
	We went to school together.
	And we just had a random conversation.
	And then he says this to me.
	He goes, Dan, I've never told anyone this.
	Back when I was 10 years old, He said, I know my dad's house was haunted.
	He said, back when I was 10 years old, I got this real strong feeling while I was asleep that something was watching me.
	I wake up and I look over and I see the green head of an old lady watching me.
	And that, that did it.
	I'm sure it did.
	I'm just wondering if anybody else Ever told you about something like this, or have you ever heard anything about this?
	Not about a green head, but what we'll do is toss it out to the audience, Dan.
	It's very interesting.
	One aspect of your story, though, is familiar to me, and that is that whether it's a green head of an old lady, or it's a shadow person, or some other form of spirit, the The fact that the spirit, when it realizes it is being seen, is as surprised or more surprised or shocked than you is a recurring theme.
	Very much a recurring theme.
	We're hearing that again and again and again and again.
	And it's almost as though Something, some other dimensional entity, or, you know, I don't know the right words to use.
	We really don't know whether it's a ghost, whether it's something from another dimension, extraterrestrial, whatever it is.
	They seem to be under the working assumption that they cannot be seen by us.
	And when they are, when they realize that they're seen, they are suddenly more shocked than we are.
	And that's very much a recurring theme.
	So there's certainly something going on, as usual, coast-to-coast AM, a little ahead of the curve, the rest of the world in reporting or even being willing to talk about a subject like this.
	So, I think you're on to something.
	I think you're all on to something, those of you who have said that these entities are shocked when they realize we can see them.
	There's something to it.
	All right, let's go to wildcard line one, Wesley in Iowa.
	Apparently has made some sort of deal with the devil.
	In fact, may even be a Satanist.
	Is that correct, Wesley?
	Yep, that's absolutely correct.
	It's an honor to talk to you, Art Bell.
	Okay, I'm a Satanist.
	My wife introduced me to it when we first came into the... I don't know if you've heard of Anton LaVey?
	Anton LaVey, yes, of course.
	Yeah, well he introduced me to the Anton LaVey type saying this first and I was very interested from the start.
	I've met people that were saying this before and I was just really impressed by it and I did make a deal with the devil in a sense.
	I actually offered him my soul but what he told me was, I don't want your soul.
	I just want your Allegiance.
	And, um, I was completely convinced, you know.
	Yeah, but Wesley, those who give their allegiance to the devil ultimately give their soul, don't they?
	Yeah, in a sense.
	I mean, I don't, I'm not afraid.
	And then, wait a minute, you mentioned that your wife was a Satanist, apparently, before you met her?
	Oh, technically, no, because she was kind of like an Atheist agnostic when I met her.
	Oh yeah, but that's a big jump.
	Wesley from being agnostic or even an atheist to being a Satanist.
	That's a big jump.
	Actually the jump got even bigger because she used to be Christian.
	Then she became kind of like searching for another religion and she turned to Satanism and it appealed to her and she introduced me to it.
	I was actually Born and raised an atheist.
	How did she bring that up?
	I mean, were you just sitting around one evening and she said, hey, listen, honey, I'm in league with the devil now and I'll tell you all about it and you can join me if you want.
	Is that how it happened?
	Yeah, it's kind of, she was like, you know, hey, I'm going to say it and I'm like, oh, and she sent me a Incidentally, we were talking online because we were dating online first.
	We're now married.
	Oh, so she told you this online?
	Yeah.
	So you had a moment there where you could make a decision to run like hell, but you didn't.
	No, I was actually, I was fascinated by it.
	I wanted to know more about it.
	The more I got to know about it, the more interested I got.
	And I'm actually communicating with the devil or Satan, whatever you want to call it.
	And I've gone down to a lot of websites, especially one in particular, I'm not going to mention it because... No, no, don't mention the name of the website, but you're telling me you talked to Satan and Satan talks back to you!
	Um, yeah, it's kind of like, you know, I don't know what it is exactly, it's kind of like talking to God in a sense, you know, but it's... What I found out from Philando Ashworth, and from myself as well, is that he lives in a four-dimensional plane, like in a...
	Um, which is kind of like, um, if you, I don't know if you ever heard of Ford Density?
	No.
	Like we're supposed to move into Ford Density and become something bigger in like 2012?
	Well, I've heard that there could be, there are many who believe there's going to be a big shift, of course, in 2012.
	Yes.
	Wesley, we're at a break point here.
	Can I have you hold on through the break?
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay.
	By the way, is your wife there?
	Yeah.
	She is there.
	Would she be willing to say something on the radio?
	I'm sure she would.
	Oh, I hear you.
	All right.
	Well, during the break... Well, no, no, no, no.
	Hold on.
	We'll talk to her after the break.
	It's break time.
	I'm Art Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Wanna take a ride?
	You gotta be careful about rides you accept, you know.
	That long, black hearse.
	It'll get you from here to there.
	Oh, it's a hell of a ride.
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	This is beginning to get quite interesting.
	Let's bring back Wesley.
	Wesley, are you there?
	Well, his wife is now, sorry.
	Oh, there you are.
	Yep, he handed me the phone.
	Oh, good.
	What is your first first name?
	I'm Josie.
	I'm sorry, say it again.
	Josie.
	Josie?
	Josie, Josie, Josie.
	So, Josie, you went from being Christian to agnostic to, well, I guess, all the way then to the devil.
	Well, is it really the devil?
	Is it Lucifer?
	Are you a Satanist?
	Well, yeah, we're kind of what, I mean, people always say, oh, you're probably just some gothic kid.
	You're a Satanist and want attention, and it's not that way.
	We don't follow all of LeVay's preachings.
	I mean, yeah, he was a good guy.
	He came up with a lot of great ideas, but when I first became a Satanist, I did follow his preachings, but then I kind of evolved and looked into spiritual Satanism more.
	Well, let's find out how old you are now.
	24.
	And when did you make the conversion to Satanism?
	Around 18.
	Around 18.
	That's quite a while.
	And then you met your husband online.
	Yes.
	And you went through the usual what's your sign thing and then you got down to an oh by the way I'm a Satanist.
	How did he react when you told him that?
	I usually ask people Do you have a religion?
	You know, when I'm talking to someone online, Hey, do you got a religion?
	And then they'll say, yeah, I'm this or that.
	And he said, well, I'm kind of atheist.
	Basically he was raised atheist.
	So I said, well, and then he asked the rhetorical question.
	Do you have a religion?
	And I said, well, yeah, but I don't want you to get scared.
	I'm a Satanist.
	I mean, we don't sacrifice babies.
	Don't drink blood.
	You don't drink blood?
	No.
	No.
	Well look, an atheist, I just don't understand how you make that leap.
	An atheist doesn't believe in anything.
	An atheist thinks you die and then that's it baby, it's blackness and good sleep or whatever, but you know, no consciousness whatsoever after life.
	So wouldn't it be as difficult to go from being an atheist to a Christian as it would be to go from an atheist to being a believer in the devil?
	Yeah, well, he wasn't, I guess you can't, you wouldn't call him your typical atheist.
	I mean, he believes in a soul and that there is life after death, you know?
	Oh, well, that's not an atheist.
	Okay, agnostic, sorry.
	That might be an agnostic, yeah.
	Yeah, because he believes that there is something more, but doesn't really know a name for it.
	That's pushing, even pushing the agnostic barrier a little bit.
	In other words, he believed in a higher power.
	Right.
	And he believed he had a soul.
	Right.
	So, how did you charm him into, meanwhile, moving to the dark side?
	I just told him what I was, and then he asked me to explain it, so I explained it the best I could.
	And I said, well, here, look at this link.
	It'll tell you more than I know.
	Then you got interested and read more and more and liked it more and more.
	And we talked about it.
	You know, the whole, we don't sacrifice kids, animals, drink blood, all the common misdeeds.
	Okay, what are the things you don't do?
	What do you do?
	Um, it's just almost like, it's like, okay, take Christianity and you know how you thank God for Whatever, for having no holes in your socks.
	Yeah, sure, whatever.
	Yeah, basically, they believe God is great and he was a creator of man.
	Well, in a sense, we believe Satan was.
	I see.
	So then you thank Satan for what you get in life.
	Right.
	Now do you think that Satan is a more powerful force on earth, able to give you more in life than is God?
	I really don't know for sure, but I guess I've always been the black sheep in a sense, you know?
	Everyone is devoutly Christian in my family.
	Have you, well, come out of the dark closet with regard to your family?
	You've told them you're a Satanist?
	Well, yeah, my mom.
	My mom doesn't like it.
	She said, well, I'm still going to pray for you every night.
	And it's like, Mom.
	I bet that didn't go over well at all.
	No, and it's like, Mom, how would you like me to pray for you to the devil?
	I don't want you to pray for me to your God.
	I see.
	I mean, you can say, I'll thank you.
	That's a good point.
	So you threaten to pray to the devil for her.
	Right.
	I mean, because there's this whole lack of respect.
	I mean, they think everyone wants to be prayed for.
	I'll pray for you.
	Well, you know what, what if I don't believe in God?
	I will just say, you know what, I'll be thinking of you and ask me if I want you to pray to God for me.
	Now, do you think that Wesley honestly believes as you believe, or do you think that he was just sort of wowed into Satanism because of your feminine charms?
	I honestly think that he believes, because he seems to have a stronger link with Satan and our protector demons than I do.
	Well, has Satan provided well in life for you?
	Yes.
	I believe he provided us with each other, because we were both at that point in our life, we were like, you know what, forget the opposite sex.
	We're just so frustrated with it.
	And then we met each other.
	So many bad experiences.
	And then through the power of the devil you met and you're living happily ever after.
	I suppose.
	Minus health factors.
	Well, okay.
	Don't you worry just a little bit.
	About, you know, I mean, life is short, right?
	Right.
	So, at the end of this life, do you expect to go to a different destination than some of the others?
	Honestly, no.
	And if I do, I don't care.
	Really?
	Yeah, I mean, I don't think, I'm going to quote my husband here, he's a brilliant man.
	I mean, he comes up with so many things.
	I mean, he talks about how the souls are, like, we're twin souls, I guess you would say.
	Soulmates.
	No, it's different than soulmates.
	We were once a soul, one soul, and then we split into a separate soul, or each separate soul, and then reincarnated into these bodies.
	Well, what about the old traditional hellfire and brimstone and, you know, all of that?
	I mean, that's a pretty rough thing to face as a possibility after death.
	Yeah, but I don't think, I don't worry too much about that.
	I mean, hell is a mythical place, as is heaven, and so how are you going to have that your Ethereal soul, or Eurythro, whatever the word is, soul be tortured and punished for all eternity.
	But wait a minute, but you do believe in the devil, right?
	Right.
	So, on the one hand you're saying you believe in the devil, on the other you're saying hell and heaven are both mythical places, implying they're not real.
	Is that so?
	Right.
	They're both mythical places, but I mean, it's just... I don't believe that, you know, we're gonna get, like, sent to hell just because.
	Well, where else do you think you're going?
	Well, for one, the devil, I believe, is everywhere.
	Well, I think I probably agree with that, yes.
	I mean, I don't... You look at a tree, and some people might see God, Other people might see some ancient spirit from some other religion.
	I mean, what do you imagine?
	Motel 666 or what?
	No, I just kind of imagine or how we kind of both believe that when it's over, we kind of just go to a collective waiting room, so to speak, where you kind of hang out with other people who have also passed over.
	Yes.
	And that there's no fire brimstone or clouds and harps.
	But again, I don't see how you can avoid that belief and believe in the devil.
	You know, if the devil is real, then he's the number one fallen angel, the real bad guy, the anti-God, and it seems to me that what awaits you is not what awaits those who believe in God.
	Or maybe I'm the one who's mixed up.
	Well, from what I have heard from Satan myself is that I'm not going to be, if I go to hell, yes, I'm not going to be one of the ones who are tortured.
	I'm going to be kind of one of his henchmen or henchwomen, if you will.
	Ah, the devil's assistant.
	Right.
	Like, you know, those chains.
	And then do you think you can have some influence on him with regard to the fate of Wesley?
	The devil?
	Yeah.
	In other words, if you're going to be the devil's assistant when you pass, then what about Wesley?
	Is he also going to be, you know, sort of privileged down there?
	I think so.
	I mean, because, I mean, we've both done our little dabbling in the Ouija board.
	When I was like 13, I asked the Ouija board with my friends and I said, is anybody here the devil's Advocate kind of thing.
	Assistant.
	God, that was a great movie.
	Yeah.
	And the plachet thing turned directly to me.
	And I was like, oh, okay.
	Have the two of you had any... Have you spawned yet?
	Have you had a baby yet?
	No, we were told we were going to have the Antichrist.
	That you would have the Antichrist if you propagate?
	Yeah, apparently.
	That's what I was told by Satan.
	Ah, so then do you plan to avoid that?
	Or are you looking forward to the Little Antichrist?
	I'm looking forward to it.
	Really?
	Yeah, and we're even thinking about the name Damien at some point.
	Damien, of course!
	That was a good movie, too.
	You don't have two phones in the house, do you?
	I mean, we can't get Wesley on the phone at the same time, can we?
	No, I'm on the cell phone.
	Oh, you're on the cell phone, okay.
	Right.
	Well, so then you and Wesley are equally committed, you would say.
	Right, yeah.
	When do you plan on having little Wesley, or little Damien, excuse me?
	Preferably when we get our life settled, you know, like better Emotional instability, because right now I'm trying to recover from my self-mutilation problem.
	Self-mutilation problem?
	Right.
	Aren't you at all concerned that self-mutilation might be, well I don't know, sort of a symptom of your belief system?
	I don't know.
	I think it has more to do with the fact of my major depressive disorder.
	Okay.
	Well, do you think that you will ever give this up and turn to the light?
	I really don't know.
	I mean, I'm keeping an open mind, which my mom is happy about, you know.
	If she sends me emails about God and stuff, I read them.
	I don't just delete them right away.
	I'll read them, but if you get the kind of crap that, okay, if you don't pass this on, you're going to have seven million years of bad luck, then okay, sorry, bye.
	Yeah, I don't know about those things either.
	All right, well listen, you and Wesley take care and try and cut down on the self-mutilation thing.
	That's not good.
	I haven't done it since August.
	That's good, that's good.
	Alright, well listen, say hi to Wesley for me and I wish you all good luck.
	Okay, thank you.
	Alright, you take care and obviously that was very real.
	Now you see, you call for things and you get them on this program.
	There you had it.
	Couple devoted to the dark side.
	Speaking of that, let's go all the way to Florida, and the first time on our line, we've got somebody here, Stewart apparently, who wants to offer his soul for something or another.
	What's the deal, Stewart?
	Yes, that is correct, and thank you for taking my call, Art.
	Certainly.
	Before I get to that offer, though, I was wondering if you might be able to verify a story for me.
	I can try.
	Well, you mentioned you lived in Okinawa at one point.
	Oh, yes.
	Okay, I have a friend who was stationed there some time ago, and he swears to me that in typhoons along the beach there, that he's seen some of the local men be able to fly four and five feet off of the ground, right above the sand there.
	Well, in a big enough typhoon, I can assure you, you can actually run down a hill and you can become airborne.
	Now, it's not a particularly safe practice.
	I've tried it myself.
	You can actually become airborne.
	I used to run down hills during hurricanes in Connecticut, my grandma's house, with an umbrella.
	And I would actually become airborne.
	But it usually didn't work out very well.
	No, but he swore that he's seen it on the beach there, right along the water.
	Never saw it, Stuart.
	No.
	Well, in any case, along the lines of asking for things here, I actually have an offer to make to you this evening.
	Well, I'm not the devil, so you can't make it to me.
	No, I understand that, but you can actually take part in this for me.
	Well, I don't know about that.
	I have a son.
	Yes?
	Well, I have a son who is in a band out of Athens, Georgia.
	Yes.
	He shares a birthday with Elvis, David Bowie, and One of the Doors, January 8th.
	Yes.
	And I'm willing to offer up my soul this evening if your engineers will download one of his songs that is MySpace page, and if they deem it worthy, and you deem it worthy.
	Oh, Stuart.
	Oh, Stuart.
	That's not a good deal.
	Why is that?
	Well, it's just not a good deal.
	I mean, just to get a song played to offer your soul, that's not... I mean, you've got to shoot higher.
	Well, no, I believe in him that much, that strongly.
	You've got to shoot much higher than that.
	I mean, you've got to go for, like, number one on the billboard charts or something like that.
	Well, this would be the first step to it.
	Well, there's no guarantee that it would go any further.
	No, absolutely not.
	I mean, you just can't cut a deal like that.
	I mean, your soul's worth more.
	It is.
	I agree.
	But, uh, can I mention their name?
	No.
	No, no, I'm afraid not.
	Alright, you're, uh, very welcome, and, uh... I just, uh...
	I just don't know what to say about that.
	I mean, to sell your soul to have a record played is just absolutely ridiculous.
	A song played, that's just absolutely ridiculous.
	Let's jump to Ray on the second wildcard line.
	Ray apparently almost sold his soul for something or another.
	Ray?
	Yeah, hi Art.
	Hello.
	I've talked to George before, never talked to you.
	It was last spring.
	You know, everything has been kind of going bad for a while and stuff like that.
	I was sitting around, I was probably listening to one of these shows, one of the Coast to Coast shows about selling your soul to the devil.
	I've only done one other show like this, Ray, and one other time I did this, that was it.
	Well, I don't know when this idea came into my head.
	You know, I had to go somewhere, and a buddy picked me up, a professional buddy.
	And, you know, I said, hey, I'm thinking about selling my soul to the devil.
	He goes, really?
	Well, yeah.
	I said, God's never done anything for me.
	Why don't I just sell my soul to the devil?
	In return for what, Ray?
	Well, the thing is, is that I am a firm believer in the Creator and stuff.
	You know, and in return for, I don't think here, it wasn't for anything in particular except for improvement of life.
	Oh my God.
	Well, you don't, you know, you don't lightly sell your soul.
	You want to lay out the conditions.
	You want to do something real.
	We were making jokes.
	My friend's an agnostic, see?
	You don't joke about this kind of thing.
	Hey, Ray, can you hold on through the break?
	Sure.
	All right.
	All right.
	Hold on, Ray.
	We're talking about people who sold their soul and there's no shortage of them from the Philippines.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Jim Bell couldn't be here, so we're just, well, we're having the devil of a time this morning.
	How you doing?
	I am Art Bell and it's great to be here escorting you now through the last hour of the weekend.
	We've got Ray in South Dakota who very nearly sold his soul to the devil.
	We'll get the balance of the details in a moment.
	Alrighty then, back to Ray in South Dakota.
	Ray, you're back on the air again.
	You almost sold your soul.
	How close did you get?
	Well, what I did was, I just, as a joke, I told a buddy of mine, I said, you know, I think I'm going to sell my soul to the devil.
	I basically really believe in God and the Creator and stuff, and it was, you know, what have you ever done for me?
	And then my friend who's agnostic, you know, said, uh, I'm right behind you, buddy.
	You go first.
	Okay.
	So, you know, I sat there thinking about it for weeks until I realized that this was serious damn business.
	No, even just thinking about it.
	I mean, vocalizing it in front of friends, that's really serious, but just thinking about it is serious enough.
	Yes.
	And, um, and finally there came this time one night, And I just, and there was a pressure, an actual spiritual pressure that seemed to be on me to do this, you know.
	A sort of a mental sign here.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And then I finally just went F you to that man, to that thing, to that entity.
	And after that, I've been getting sick a lot.
	Yeah, it's very strange.
	But I'll tell you one thing.
	I would rather be in the hospital for three or four days at a time than have that guy have a hand on me.
	And it's very strange because it just started out as a joke.
	The Creator isn't a joke to me.
	Yeah, but that's like joking about bombs while you're in line to board an aircraft, you know.
	Right, right.
	And then, you know, I was kind of, you know, one of those guys that just thought, oh, there's no hell, there's no Satan and stuff like that.
	And it just, it really came home hard on me.
	Oh, there's one more thing.
	Even though you blasted him with a Fiddlesticks Unlimited.
	What?
	Well, excuse me, what did you say?
	Fiddle sticks, the F unlimited.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's one line.
	I felt like that was exactly what was happening.
	And it was a reality.
	So I fiddle sticks.
	And, you know, come on.
	Come down to Georgia and face me on the fiddle.
	Okay, and then there's one more thing.
	Very short on time, Ray, so quickly.
	Okay, it's just a little thing.
	My dad died in February, and my sister-in-law died a few days ago, and my mom lives in a house alone.
	This is real quick.
	She woke up, and the TV turned itself on, and it was blasting in the house.
	That's a simple ghost story, but it is something that did happen, and that's what she told me.
	Maybe something that came actually from you, Ray, as a result of the deal that you think you almost made.
	Maybe you did make it.
	I'm not sure that, as I said, that's not something you joke about.
	It's like bombs in a boarding plane.
	You just don't joke about that.
	And if you do, it may be that, well, there's consequences.
	Let's put it that way.
	Now, we have Eric here, who sold in San Diego, sold his soul on eBay?
	Yes, I did.
	You did?
	Yes.
	I thought eBay had regulations against that sort of thing.
	They did, but there is a way to hide it.
	Like, uh, you know, if you, uh, you know, sell an object or something and then like in the background say, Oh, it's my soul kind of thing.
	Really?
	Really?
	So you, you sort of snuck the snow, the soul in along with some something or another.
	Yes.
	Um, I advertise it as a vial of air and then in parentheses put soul.
	A vial of air with soul.
	And somebody actually bought your soul.
	Yes.
	I mean, cause I mean, uh, let me, let me start at that.
	Uh, I'm a spiritualist.
	Can I inquire how much you received for your vial of air with a soul?
	I'll get to that.
	Well, I'm a spiritualist, so to me, the spirit is bond by the flesh, so it cannot leave whatsoever.
	So I figured, okay, I'll put it on eBay, and if someone's gullible enough to buy it, I'll make $5.
	Well, anyway, I made $215.
	So you sold your soul for $215?
	Yes.
	And you sent this person a little vial of air?
	Yeah, I just took a little vial of air, breathed into it, and closed it, and slapped a label on there.
	Oh, brother.
	Eric, now how do you know that your soul is not in that little vial, now in the possession of God knows, well, excuse me, the devil knows who.
	I guess you know who, but how do you know that your soul isn't in there?
	Because as I just stated, I believe the spirit is bonded by the flesh.
	I believe!
	I believe!
	I understand.
	Do you really?
	Have you used the $215 wisely?
	Oh, I made a car payment.
	You made a car payment?
	With your soul?
	One car payment?
	Man, you sold cheap!
	You really sold you.
	Was there a buy now price?
	I started the bid at $1 and a buyout for $5.
	Yeah, that's really very wise.
	Beginning the bidding at $1 is really the way to go, or even $0.01.
	It seems to cause a kind of frantic, I don't know, it's kind of like sharks feeding in the water.
	Yeah, it's eagle war.
	That's what it is, yeah.
	That's what it is.
	So there are ways to get around eBay's regulations.
	You found it and sold your soul.
	Oh, and I also want to make a couple comments on those little children that claim to be Satanists.
	Aren't there, well, I don't know about children.
	Eric, I just want to ask, aren't there times, moments when you worry just a little bit that that little vile, well, wouldn't you like to have it back?
	No.
	No, because I believe it has never left.
	Well, if you took the trouble to breathe a little bit of yourself into that vial, then that's almost ceremonial, I mean.
	Okay, so anyway, you were going to comment on what you called the children.
	Yes, because they didn't fit the psychology of what satanists would be.
	The psychology of a Satanist is power, and it is a power without knowledge or physical strength.
	And so if they were true Satanists, they would have been bombarding you with knowledge, and they didn't.
	We'll just call them the children of the corn.
	Well alright Eric, I hope that little bit of hot air that you breathed into the vial did not in fact contain your soul, but I wouldn't take any bets on it.
	$215 just not... I don't think that's a good deal.
	Souls should be worth more than that.
	They definitely should be worth more than that.
	All right, well, so we're looking for people who have sold their soul to the devil, and I'm shocked that we've found this many of them already.
	Here I said I really didn't see any lies, just we're jam-packed full and are jam-packed full.
	It's amazing to me that that many people have done it.
	I mean, even if you're not sure about spirituality, if you're not sure about religion, if you're not sure about a greater power, you've got to have some doubts.
	That's what being agnostic is all about, right?
	You're not really sure.
	I don't know.
	All right, let's jump to something else here.
	Let's go to, well, let's see, I've got Times here.
	Who's been waiting the longest?
	It looks like perhaps Mike in New Mexico on wildcard number four.
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Yeah, I just called about the fiber optics earlier in the show.
	Oh, yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Actually, I didn't want to talk about the fiber optics.
	I just mentioned that as a point and kind of got off on a tangent.
	But what I wanted to talk about actually was As far as your views on the medical marijuana issue?
	My views on medical marijuana?
	Really?
	I don't think I've mentioned medical marijuana tonight at all, have I?
	No, you haven't at all.
	My views on marijuana are, and I'll just give it to you straight, I think it's significantly less harmful than alcohol.
	I think that eventually, when America gets its head straight, it will decriminalize marijuana altogether.
	And in terms of an escapist kind of substance, I think marijuana is far less harmful, both to individuals from a health point of view and to the economy as a whole.
	Alcoholism costs, I don't know, about $100 billion a year to the economy.
	That's a lot of money.
	A lot of money.
	Okay, well I was thinking because it is sometimes referred to as the devil's weed, the weed with the roots in hell.
	I know that's been mentioned as far as the propaganda, as far as it was sort of associated with Satan, but actually it's kind of an interesting origin.
	Really?
	I've never really heard marijuana connected to the devil.
	Yeah, actually Reefer Madness.
	Oh, that's Reefer Madness, but that's not really the devil that they're talking about.
	And Reefer Madness was a propaganda film that was pure baloney.
	It was turned out by the government, and I think it implied that people who smoke marijuana go out and rape people and rob banks and do all kinds of horrible things.
	For the most part, people who smoke marijuana sit around and smile.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, as far as its origins, though, I was wondering as far as it connected to the devil, as far as the Jewish tradition, as far as it came out of, as it was an anointing oil, that the actual anointing oil of the Bible was actually hemp oil, and some scholars believe that it actually did contain THC, and that's how the sort of Moses had been receiving his visions from up on the
	mount and seeing the burning bush as a referral to marijuana.
	So it's kind of interesting that some of the origins of the devil as well as God, as far
	as the Judeo-Christian God, could find roots in this, I guess, weed with roots in hell.
	Well, actually, coming up to a bit more modern reference, I think it was the New York Times,
	I think it was the Times, it ran a story that said if marijuana were to be legalized in
	all its forms, hemp, and then utilized and taxed, not outrageously, but just taxed as
	everything else is taxed.
	It would mean an immediate half trillion dollars to the American economy.
	Half trillion dollars.
	That's a lot of money.
	That's a whole lot of, well, you could do anything with it.
	That's a whole lot of war.
	It's a whole lot of infrastructure renewal.
	It's a lot of welfare money.
	It's a lot of however you want to see it.
	It's a lot of money.
	And I think that it is my belief that marijuana is medically far less harmful to the individual than is alcohol, far less harmful to the economy, and really doesn't drive people to the kind of Outrageous behavior that alcohol does.
	Of course, all that is somewhat spoiled by the ridiculous reefer madness type films that were produced by the government in its anti-marijuana drive.
	Now, you ask why is marijuana illegal?
	Well, I think the answer to that is productivity.
	America is a country that prides itself on being extremely productive.
	We take very few vacations.
	We work our butts off.
	And those who smoke marijuana tend to be kind of lollygaggers.
	You know, they tend not to work really hard.
	That's not a universal truth.
	There are some who work very hard, even under the influence of marijuana.
	But for the most part, they sit around a lot and that, of course, harms the economy.
	So, based on that, the government made it illegal.
	And I think that is and remains the basis for marijuana being illegal.
	All right, let's go to Hershey, Pennsylvania, and Jim, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Good morning, Art.
	Art Bell in Tomorrowland.
	I literally am in Tomorrowland.
	That's right, it's Monday evening here now, about 524.
	My idea, it comes under the heading of a unifying theory for the Supreme Entity.
	The idea that you can sell your soul is false.
	No, no.
	It just can't happen.
	Well, why do you say that?
	Well, because on the left of my graph is God, and immediately under God is love.
	Now, love increases.
	The more that we use it, the more that we spread it around, the more it grows.
	On the right side of my graph is evil.
	Underneath Satan the Devil, or STD, you know, whatever you want to think of it.
	Satan doesn't loan evil.
	Satan is the ultimate capitalist.
	The evil that Satan the Devil owns is the Devil's property.
	No, no, wait a minute.
	The implication of that is that capitalism is satanic.
	In essence... Oh, it is not.
	It can be used for good, of course it can.
	Well, thank you.
	Just like religion.
	It's like anything else.
	Capitalism is simply a successful economic scheme.
	Now... It is a scheme.
	You're right there.
	Yeah.
	Well, okay.
	All right.
	Well, you don't like capitalism, huh?
	No, don't really.
	I mean, I am one.
	I have to be one, because I'm on this planet.
	No, no, there are some few select countries you could go to, sir, and be a communist.
	There's Vietnam, there's North Korea, there's Cuba.
	None of them very attractive places, particularly.
	They all use money, though, don't they?
	Oh, yes.
	Okay.
	China?
	The human, via free will, can want evil.
	Satan, the devil, will maintain the secret of possession And hold out, like a carrot at the end of a string and stick, the potential privilege of possession.
	Satan the devil has complete control of evil, privilege, slavery, secrets, and covets them absolutely, and is gratified that humans are willing to desire them to the degree of wanton wars of greed and lust.
	Is there any political relevance to the fact that you have God and Love on the left and Satan and Hate on the right?
	That's just the way, that's the way I printed it out.
	You know, now I really enjoyed that snippet of Just Crazy that you ran at the top, I mean J.C., sorry, that you ran at the top of the aisle that I only heard and anybody else on the line heard.
	Yeah, there can be.
	See, because being on the left, or liberal, has been uh... demonized
	in you know by the right and the right demonizes the left you know it's just like
	you said about mcpherson i do respect your
	opinion it's a belief about marijuana
	the that that what you said about it is perfect
	It's right on.
	Well, I don't feel it's a belief.
	I think it's a fact.
	There you go.
	It's a much distorted fact, but it's a fact.
	It's just like when they asked that one philosopher, and now his name slips my mind, do you believe in God?
	And his response was, I know.
	And I can't think of his name, a philosopher.
	Shoot.
	The way his name's written isn't the way it's pronounced.
	Anyway, but I'm agnostic.
	There is no ag in my Gnosticism because agnostic is an American creation.
	It doesn't sound like you're happy.
	I'm really happy.
	I'm always happy.
	I have to be happy because Jesus is my brother on earth.
	Well that's great, but I mean you're in an economic system that you don't respect and like.
	I disregard respect.
	I want to treat my brothers and sisters the same way that I want to be treated.
	Well, that's Christian Way all right, but I mean, again, you don't respect the economic system that you are participating in, so I don't know how you can be a happy man.
	We're at Breakpoint.
	I'm Art Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AM, morning all.
	You know, it just occurred to me, guy complaining about capitalism, that actually selling your soul is a rather capitalist act, right?
	Even though the fellow who breathed in a little tube then sold it on eBay only got $215.
	Not all that capitalist, but it nevertheless is a capitalist act.
	Hmm.
	Ask and ye shall receive.
	People who have sold their souls, they're just lining right up.
	We'll be right back.
	Well it's too bad it's the last segment.
	This is an awful lot of fun.
	All right, going to Wild Card Line 4, we have a very interesting case.
	Karen, in Iowa, who sold her soul and then took it back, and then took it back.
	Is that right?
	Oh, took it back, took it back, yes.
	Things started moving.
	That is not the way I understand it works, Karen.
	Well, true, I've been...
	I'm thoroughly blessed, if that's what you want to call it.
	Well, let's back up a little bit to the selling the soul part.
	All right.
	I was 21, young and dumb.
	I was touring the United States in a band.
	And I got kind of tired of all the manipulation and everything and I said to myself, you know, I would do anything to be famous.
	I'd even, you know, a lot of, a lot of, a lot of, okay.
	All right.
	We ever had a beautiful club in Dalton, Georgia.
	I don't even know if I should even say that.
	And a security guard had come up to me and said, hey, there's somebody I want to introduce you to.
	This is like the very next day.
	And he was telling me how much money this man was worth and everything.
	I said, well, that would be fine, but I can't guarantee I'm not going to do anything, you know, just whatever.
	I mean, I'll meet him.
	The first step.
	Well, I mean, you had to know what it was really all about, right?
	I had a clue.
	Yeah, at least a clue.
	Yeah.
	And I'm very nervous talking about this.
	All right.
	So you went over and sat down.
	Well, let's just say, My Monday night audiences started growing.
	They kept our band for four weeks instead of one.
	Became very popular with the men in the audience.
	Yes?
	And they all felt they wanted me.
	Dropping money on the floor from my feet.
	I'm like, I don't know what that means and I don't want to know what that means.
	Oh, you know what that means!
	Come on!
	No, I didn't.
	And I still have never been called.
	They're not throwing it up there just to see the green flash in the light, you know?
	Well, I didn't care how big the bill was.
	I'd pick up the bill and hand it back to the man and say, you dropped something.
	Oh.
	Oh, did you now?
	Yeah.
	Just collected it all up like so much dirt and gave it back.
	Exactly.
	I was making pretty good money.
	I didn't need their money.
	I didn't want to go that far.
	Yeah.
	So then The people I've started to meet all of a sudden started talking about how they knew people, you know.
	And the next gig we went to, the four weeks later, they had set up cameras and photographed equipment and recording equipment in a van outside.
	Nobody would say what it was about.
	And then the mafia shows up.
	The mafia?
	Dare I drop a name?
	No, please don't.
	I mean, so you knew you could drop a name.
	I mean, you knew who this person was, Mafia.
	No question about it.
	He gave me a card and said I must call him, get rid of the band.
	He only wanted me.
	He had a little club on the strip.
	And I heard the word strip and I'm very perceptive and clairvoyant, yada yada.
	And I'm sitting at the table and he says, do you know who I am?
	And I see this flash of this huge room with a huge desk and suits all around.
	And I don't know.
	And then he says it again.
	Do you know who I am?
	And then I see a baseball team.
	And I'm like, uh, no.
	And he says it a third time.
	And I said, no.
	And he says, I'm a pimp.
	No.
	Yeah.
	No.
	Yeah.
	And then I went promptly up to my room and put on more lipstick.
	Because I had to flee immediately.
	I was not into selling any part of the body along with the soul.
	God knows you can't flee without having fresh lipstick on.
	So at what point in all of this do you believe that you retrieved your soul?
	I immediately, after the money started coming out of the woodwork, I took it back, took it back, took it back.
	And I had a lot of gifts, you know, intuitive gifts and other gifts that was already bestowed on me by the Almighty.
	And as true as I stayed to Him, I know, in the name of Jesus Christ, of course, that I kept those gifts and that's how I knew that it was successfully taken back.
	And I have my own, had my several trials, although I did, every single thought I had during my lifetime came true.
	As long as I was specific.
	Hmm.
	And believed it would happen.
	Well then how do you know it wasn't a result of the deal?
	I don't think that was a result of the deal.
	But you gotta wonder about it from time to time.
	No, I had that gift, I had that gift bestowed, I figured out Sounds to me like you're rationalizing, you know, it could have been the deal went through.
	Well, I totally went over, no, I had Christ in my heart.
	I know I still have Christ in my heart because I cannot lie and things like that.
	I just kept true to God in all ways.
	In the name of Jesus Christ, of course.
	Okay, Karen.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, so you got it back.
	All right.
	Thank you very much.
	Appreciate the call.
	Going now west of the Rockies to yet another soul peddler, I believe.
	Hello?
	Hello, Art.
	How are you?
	I'm all right, sir.
	What is your first name?
	Vincent.
	Vincent?
	Yes, sir.
	All right, Vince.
	Okay, here's my situation.
	I'm willing to sell my soul to the devil on the air right now.
	No.
	Yes.
	Why?
	Well, I'm 51 years old.
	I'm a retired vet.
	I've got a lot of medical problems.
	I live in my car and have been for a year.
	A friend of mine just shot himself today or whatever.
	He's dead.
	I have no family and my children don't talk to me anymore.
	None of that's a reason to sell your soul to the devil, though.
	Well, I have never been wealthy.
	And I live below the poverty level, and I'm willing to give it a chance.
	If it's going to make my life better, I'm ready to sign it.
	Alright, do a little math here, Vince.
	You said you're 51 years old, right?
	Yes.
	Alright, well at the very best, we get to live maybe 90 or 90s.
	That'd be pushing it, right?
	Yes.
	So you've already lived, in all probability, over half your life, Vince.
	Right.
	And it seems as though, to me anyway, that you're willing to sell your soul for the balance of a relatively few number of years that you have left, versus all of eternity.
	Because you see, Vince, when you sell your soul, you're selling it for all time.
	I understand that.
	I'm willing to... You really do understand that?
	I really am taking the acceptance of that.
	Ready to do it.
	And what do you want for yourself?
	I want a better life.
	I want a place to live.
	I want some money in the bank.
	I don't want to be poor anymore.
	I want better friends.
	You know, I'm tired of being alone and this is not working for me.
	I'm willing to go ahead and do that.
	As is just now occurring to you, or have you been thinking about this for a long time?
	I have been thinking about it.
	I've been pondering it.
	And, you know, it's... It's not like buying a used car, Vince.
	I mean, you don't want to make a quick decision on something like this.
	No, I understand that.
	I have been thinking about it for quite a while.
	Maybe it is like buying a used car.
	I recommend against it, Dora, that you at least give it more thought, but then there is always another school of thought, Vince, and that is that once you've actually thought of doing this, you in essence have already done it.
	I understand that cold-heartedly.
	You do?
	Yes, sir.
	I'll make my pact with the devil and live with it.
	Well, that's exactly what you've got to do until you're not alive anymore.
	But again, I beseech you, you're already through half your life at the very least, and you've made it this far without having to deal with the devil for the balance, and so now you're going to sell your soul.
	Well, I'll tell you what, Mince, at some future point, you need to call me back and let me know how it's gone.
	Okay, I will.
	Well, you're out of the car, into a nice place to live, begun to make some money, that sort of thing, and if so, well, I guess we'd all like to know, Vince.
	Okay, I will do that, sir.
	All right, buddy, take care.
	Boy, I'll tell you, if that doesn't stand the hair on the back of your neck straight up.
	Let's go to Tammy in Pennsylvania.
	Hello, Tammy.
	Art, that's sad.
	Oh, man.
	I want to tell you, did he say he was a Vietnam vet?
	Well, he said he was a vet.
	He ought to get a job at the post office.
	They'd hire him in a Cincinnati second.
	Could be.
	But I wanted to tell you, I've been listening to people claiming to be Satanists.
	Nobody mentioned the satanic order, the meditation, the drawing down a white light, the orgies.
	Well, we don't need the details.
	I mean, orgies?
	Yeah, I suppose all that goes on.
	I don't know that we need all the details.
	We sort of all know that goes along with the, you know.
	Yeah, just I agree with that one caller, that couple.
	Well, basically what it is, it's the Ten Commandments in reverse.
	And you do have to perform homosexual acts and abuse children.
	Anton LaVey, the creator of the Satanic Bible and the Church of Satan, castrated his son at the age of 15.
	Well, his son is now a preacher.
	And Satan will lie to his followers and say that they're going to be his right-hand man, when in fact, They're going to burn in hell like the rest of them.
	Well, you know, that's exactly what she said.
	You know, that she was going to be his special assistant, not down in the burning pit of sewage with all the rest of the average sellers.
	In your last couple, they sounded real confused and not knowledgeable in the left-hand path.
	And it just sounded like they were looking and searching for spirituality, but in all the wrong places.
	You know, maybe they should study Wiccan or shamanic witchcraft or natural magic or You know, people get into this because they want power, you know, or they need money.
	And, you know, when you think about it, all we are is pawns in the war between Saint and God.
	That's certainly how I've always understood it.
	Just a battle for our souls.
	Yeah.
	And it's really sad.
	But, I mean, can you, as you listen, can you believe that this many people are just willing to offer their, you know, their eternity up for, you know, like a few years of whatever, money or pleasure or whatever?
	It's amazing.
	I think why, I think the reason why we're at tough times right now.
	People are having it really, really hard.
	Not that hard!
	You want to see hard, you come over here to where I am and look at some of the poor people over here, you'll see hard.
	We're spoiled.
	And I don't think Americans realize how spoiled that we actually are.
	I mean, look at the stock market.
	It's hitting a new record now every day.
	Yeah, the housing market is a little depressed.
	That's about as bad as it gets.
	Basically, it's pretty good back there.
	I mean, we're so spoiled, Americans.
	We have children sleeping outside of Walmart for the new PlayStation 3.
	Now, what's the matter with that picture?
	A lot.
	There's a lot wrong with that.
	You know, it's also... I really love Sony, but it's an insidious plan.
	I mean, they come up with a new PlayStation and then they only put out so many so that it's so rare people are climbing over other bodies to get to it.
	Yeah, I believe there was a killing over one of them too.
	Oh God, was there really?
	Yeah, well, that's what my mom told me.
	I haven't heard it in the news yet.
	But I mean, you could definitely tell Satan's strong.
	I'm 33 years old and I can't even turn on a television without wanting to throw up with what's on there anymore.
	Boy, now there's a reason to commit a mortal sin.
	PlayStation 3.
	I just think that people, you know, and they act like it's so easy for someone to sell your soul.
	There's a lot of hard work that goes into this.
	A lot of study.
	I mean, a lot of meditation.
	If you can't meditate, you can't be a Wiccan, or you can't be a Satanist.
	You just don't have... Yeah, but it may be really easy to just sell your soul, Tammy.
	I mean, you probably have to do nothing more than just think it, and it happens.
	Well, I had one friend who actually showed me a contract, and it was signed in blood.
	And I know that she opened up the underworld in her basement.
	Her dogs wouldn't even go down there.
	Oh my God.
	Signed in blood?
	Oh yeah, you have to sign that contract in blood.
	From what I know.
	And she really was a Satanist.
	I don't know.
	Now I talked to Father Malachi Martin and he didn't say anything like that.
	He didn't talk about contracts in blood.
	He said you can make a mental deal and you can become perfectly possessed.
	I remember his exact words.
	I'll never forget them in all my years left, Tammy, that you can just make a deal with the devil.
	And that's it, you've made a deal.
	West of the Rockies, let's see, that would be John, you're on the air.
	Hi Art, I'm calling from California and I just need to tell you that you don't have to actually sign a contract to sell your soul.
	You can sell your soul by the type of life you lead.
	That's exactly sort of what I was saying to Kathy, or I mean Tammy, there.
	You can do this mentally.
	It doesn't have to be a thing signed in blood and all the rest of that, you know, like you see in the movies.
	That's silly.
	Well, you don't have to actually think, you know, I'm going to sell my soul.
	You could just go against God and do everything against God.
	You've automatically sold your soul.
	Well, that might be going a little too far.
	I'm not sure that's...
	You know, that their sale occurs that easily.
	Well, what it does, if you're against God, then you're giving yourself to the devil.
	Well, look, I'm not sure that's fair either.
	Let's say that you're an agnostic and you just don't know what you believe.
	You don't necessarily believe in God and you don't necessarily reject God.
	That doesn't make you in league with the devil automatically.
	Okay.
	What these people need to do that are so willing to give their soul away, they need to look up Howard Storm on the internet and read his story.
	He actually died and went to hell and had a very negative near-death experience.
	Oh, there's more people than you think that have had NDEs, and of course, they don't come back, and they don't really... If you go to hell in an NDE, you don't come back and talk about it for the most part.
	Very, very few people would come back and tell that story.
	Well, he was a total atheist, and he became a priest afterwards.
	So it completely changed his life.
	Look up his story and read it on the internet.
	It's very interesting.
	Okay.
	I can certainly see how that would have a conversion force to it and that you might well become a priest or something like that, sure.
	Yeah, well that's what I called to tell you, Art.
	All right, well I appreciate it.
	Thank you very much.
	See you later.
	All right, let's jump to Tom in Phoenix, Arizona on a wildcard line.
	You're on the air, Tom.
	Hi Art, it's a long time listener, first time caller.
	I've waited 10 years to talk to you.
	Welcome.
	Ever since your prompt days, being a fellow former Nepadan, I bid you welcome again.
	Thank you.
	I wanted to make an observation since we're switching gears here.
	This isn't what I called about, but having listened to the callers the last hour, I think many of them are indeed confused and are surrendering to their weaknesses.
	Well, yes.
	I guess you could put it that way.
	And I think that's who waits for those who have weaknesses.
	It's the devil who waits.
	I mean, those are your testing points.
	And if you have a rough life, if you feel very weak and you turn in the wrong direction, there is the horned one waiting for you with the contract, sort of.
	Exactly.
	And if I may, I want to make an observation about Eric.
	Supposedly sold on eBay, and that suggests that he didn't in fact sell it, that he retained it.
	He should learn a lesson.
	It's not nice to cheat Satan.
	And insofar as the other callers are concerned, by and large they sound youthful.
	I suggest that it's perhaps youthful angst, that perhaps you're more agnostic than anything else.
	Maybe that's it.
	They say those who don't believe in God are becoming many.
	In fact, lately the media has been full of those who say they just flat out don't believe in God.
	Been a lot of that going on in some of the news networks, right?
	Well, listen, that's it for this weekend.
	I'm afraid I'm out of time.
	That's all there is.
	But boy, that's plenty.
	So I will say from the other side of the world, Manila and the Philippines, I'm Art Bell.

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