Art Bell’s Dealin’ with the Devil episode explores Iraq’s escalating violence (112 deaths), Kissinger’s call for U.S. withdrawal, and geoengineering risks like Ken Caldera’s polar bear extinction warnings while dismissing his skepticism. Listeners debate animal mutilations in Montana—$1,200 cattle found surgically cut since the 1970s—and UFO threats near Red Bluff, despite Project Blue Book’s claims. Open lines reveal desperate soul deals: a Glasgow caller gains luck after a "deal," Satanist Wesley from Iowa claims allegiance over surrender, and Eric symbolically sells his soul on eBay for $215. Jim unites capitalism with Satanism as "evil property," while callers clash over literal vs. spiritual contracts, Tammy warning of blood rituals and societal decay. Bell ties it to near-death experiences and Satan’s exploitation of human weakness, leaving listeners questioning whether surrender—or even skepticism—has consequences. [Automatically generated summary]
From the Southeast Asian capital city of the Philippine Islands, that would be 7,107 islands.
That's a lot of islands, folks.
Manila.
Howdy, I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast A.M. And when I say that, I mean literally from one continent's coast to another continent's coast.
It's my honor and pleasure to be escorting you through the weekend.
It's being the second night of that endeavor.
We're going to take a look in a moment at the World News.
And as I always mentioned to you, it's generally somewhat depressing.
Tonight is really depressing.
And so let's get to it.
Oh, coming up in the next hour, a real treat for you, Jim Bell, who, among many other things, just happens to be the lead scientist for the PanCam color imaging system on the NASA Mars Exploration Rover, you know, Spirit and Opportunity missions.
So he is the guy who is responsible for taking all those photographs.
Now, in preparation for this program, how could it not be, right?
Naturally, Richard Hoagland has sent in his own set of questions, and we'll peruse some of those as well.
You know, we would have to do that, right?
Hey, Richard.
All right, let's look at the world news.
And by the way, we're going to be doing open lines this hour.
So, you know, if you've got the numbers squirreled away somewhere, by all means, begin dialing now, and we'll get you lined up.
The news from Iraq tonight is not good, not good at all.
A Syria's foreign minister called Sunday for a timetable for the withdrawal of American forces to help end Iraq's sectarian bloodbath.
In a groundbreaking diplomatic mission to Iraq that comes amid calls for the U.S. to seek cooperation from Syria and Iran, at least 112 people were killed nationwide following a week that had already seen hundreds of deaths.
Molled Mohem, the highest-level Syrian official to visit since the 2003 ouster of Saddam Hussein, denounced terrorism in Iraq even as Washington mulled its own overature to Damascus for help in ending Iraq's violence.
President Bush, over here in this part of the world, in Vietnam, in fact, President Bush paid tribute to new symbols of capitalism in this struggling communist country Monday, offered encouragement for Vietnam's battle against bird flu and other public health challenges.
The president was quickly touring this city, once known as Saigon.
I will never know it as anything else.
Before flying to Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country, where thousands angrily protested America's policy in the Middle East and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Get this one.
Henry Kissinger.
Henry's still around.
Military victory is no longer possible in Iraq.
That's a quote.
Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said in a television interview broadcast Sunday.
He presented a very bleak vision of Iraq, saying the U.S. government must enter into dialogue with Iraq's regional neighbors, including Iran, if progress is to be made in the region at all.
So Henry Kissinger is saying military victory is no longer possible.
Well, you know what?
I don't buy that at all.
I don't buy that at all.
And I think it is possible America can do what America wants to do or has the will to do.
Now, whether we have the political will to do it is an entirely different question.
Is it possible to win in Iraq?
Of course it's possible to win.
Henry may be right.
We may not win, but it'll be only because we don't have the will.
Americans would have to sign up for a new military draft.
Have you heard of this one yet?
Just breaking.
After turning 18 under a bill, the incoming chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee says that he's going to introduce next year Representative Charles Wrangell, always controversial, Democrat from New York, Democrat, mind you, said Sunday he sees his idea as a way to deter politicians from launching wars.
In other words, today's politician can't get away with sending his own son or daughter, I suppose, and some sort of new draft, you know, away from the draft.
You couldn't get away with it politically.
So I guess Wrangell figures this is a way to keep politicians from voting for wars.
Not that they really get to vote for them.
Anyway, at best they get to vote for the financing or to try and cut it off.
That's about the best they get to do.
We don't really vote on wars anymore in America.
I haven't done that since the second.
A former Russian spy, poisoned in Britain and now hospitalized under guard, may have been targeted for his criticism of former colleagues and his investigation into the killing of a prominent anti-Kremlin journalist.
Friends and fellow dissidents said Sunday that Colonel Alexander Litvinko, a former KGB agent, said earlier this week he fell ill on November 1st following a meal with a contact who claimed to have details about the slaying of Anna, well, I can't get her last name correct, so I'm not even going to try, the Russian journalist gone down last month in Moscow.
More college presidents are earning annual compensations of $1.5 million or more, fueled in part by stiff competition by schools for the best candidates, according to the study.
Seems about 112 of the 853 public and private university presidents surveyed said they had pay and benefit packages worth more than $1.5 million.
Governor Mitt Romney said Sunday that he would ask the state's highest court to order an anti-gay marriage amendment question onto the ballot if Legislators fail to vote on the matter.
When they reconvene in January, Romney said he would file a legal action this week asking a justice of the Supreme Judicial Court to direct the Secretary of State to place question on the ballot if lawmakers don't vote directly on the question January 2nd, final day of the session.
And this I read under protest.
I mean, even this subject makes me angry.
Several Fox affiliates have chosen, bless their hearts, not to broadcast, If I Did It, a two BART special where O.J. Simpson talks in hypothetical terms about his role in the 94 killing of his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend Ronald Goldman.
Lynn Broadcasting and Papas Broadcasting, which owned Combined 9 Fox Affiliates, said they're not going to hear it.
Good for them.
Fox has scheduled the Simpson interview for November 27th and 29th.
You know what?
I'm just not going to comment much more on it because it'll just make me angry.
So that's the world news, which is certainly in its normal, depressing state.
So so many dead in Iraq.
We've got Kissinger saying the war can no longer be militarily won.
What a mess, huh?
What an absolute mess.
We'll turn to other news in a moment.
The idea seems like something out of perhaps a Superman comic.
A machine or a missile shoots out tons of particles into the atmosphere.
It would block the sun's rays, cool down the overheated earth, and reverse global warming.
However, some of today's leading minds in science, history, and economics are going to gather in a closed session organized by NASA and Stanford University to discuss exactly that, a subject long taboo in environmental circles because so much could go wrong.
Some fear, of course, it would be seen as a quick fix, replacing the need to reduce fossil fuel emissions, but others contend the world needs an emergency plan in case global warming triggers a catastrophic event like a breakup of Greenland's ice sheet, then massive flooding of coastal regions.
Is it better to let polar bears go extinct and let the ice sheets melt?
Is it worse to inject some aerosols into the stratosphere that could deflect some of the sunlight?
That's a question Ken Caldera, a climate scientist at Carnegie Institute's department rather of global ecology at Stanford University, which is hosting a two-d-day meeting, is asking, the idea is called geoengineering.
In other words, using technology to tinker with the Earth's delicate climate balance.
Many scientists doubt it is possible.
Even those who've studied the idea worry about the possible misuse of their research.
In other words, when they say misuse of their research, they probably mean the military.
Now, I want you to listen to this because animal mutilations along with crop circles have been, I suppose, the most inexplicable, totally inexplicable thing that happens on Earth.
I mean, we just have no clue.
A rancher, John Peterson, and his wife were recently headed out into the twilight to do some chores when they spotted her.
The healthy young cow lay dead in a stubble field just off the road.
The cow's udder, genitals, rectum were all cut out with stunning precision.
The left side of her face carved off, the exposed bones ripped as clean as if they'd been boiled.
Peterson, who discovered a similar mutilated cow on his neighbor's ranch about five years ago, knew he was the latest victim in one of Montana's greatest mysteries.
In fact, the world's greatest mysteries.
Since the 70s, Montana ranchers have found dozens of cattle carved up in very similar ways.
The first known incident was a mutilated steer reported near San Coulee, I guess it is, in late August of 74.
By December of 77, sheriff's deputies had investigated to get the 67 mutilation cases in Cascade, Judith Baskin, Teton, and Ponderosa counties.
In each case, the cuts were made with, and they use this phrase always, surgical precision, often in circular shapes.
Similar cases have haunted ranchers in the Southwest since the 1970s when a 300-page federally funded report concluded the killings were the work of natural predators.
Huh?
How?
Peterson, a lifelong rancher, says he knows a predator to kill when he sees one.
Grizzly bears, wolves, coyotes are not suspects, he said.
It's the weirdest thing, said he.
The guy hates to say too much because I just don't know how far you can go before they put you in a nuthouse.
Other theories, besides predators, involve pranksters, satanic cults, and of course space aliens, whoever or whatever is responsible, has left precious few clues for Pondero County Sheriff Tom Kuka, at least not the kind of clues lawmen are used to, like the others.
Peterson's cow was found with no blood spills, no spatters, no footprints, no sign of any struggle whatsoever, nor were the footprints in past cases on the ground.
In other words, nothing, not even when the ground was muddy or snow-covered.
Quote, there's no reasonable or even rational explanation for this, said Kuka, who's investigating the case as felony criminal mischief.
After all, The cow was worth about $1,200.
I'm hoping to find anything that would show how or what happened to this animal.
Perhaps the most unsettling hallmark of the mutilations is that hungry predators leave the carcasses untouched.
What is it about the cows after this carving has been done to them that keeps a predator away?
Peterson discovered the cow October 9th, and the birds are just now beginning to even peck at it.
We had a cow die a week after this one, about half a mile away, and there's nothing left of that cow.
In other words, natural death, right?
There's nothing left.
Bones are picked clean, but they don't touch these special cows.
These oddities, no blood, no footprints, no predators, were all part of a similar spate of mutilations in the area in 2002 when ranchers reported at least 15 killings.
In one case, a rancher west of Dupur found a carcass with the skin peeled off the left side of the face and nose in a similar fashion to Peterson's cow.
The left eyeball, rectum, and genitals were cut out.
Part of the left ear was cut off, but the udder intact.
On a ranch between Fort Shaw and Cascade, a carcass was missing its left eye, one teeth, its genitals, and rectum, all cut out with surgical precision.
But in this latest case at Peterson's Ranch, Kuka found an intriguing clue.
A few feet south of the carcass, there was an impression in the stubble field like the cow had laid down there.
But there were no footprints or drag marks between the impression and her final resting place.
It was as if the bovine had fallen out of the sky and bounced.
Even Peterson, the down-to-earth sort, he admits he's pondered extraterrestrial explanations.
You never know, he said, quoting here precisely, I ain't going to say they're out there, but I ain't going to say they're not.
I'm sure many of you heard this last week, but I think it's worth repeating.
It was a clairvoyant using remote viewing techniques who was responsible for leading U.S. commandos to Saddam Hussein's hiding place in Iraq three years ago in the ground.
You remember that?
The Heidey hole?
Now, this claim is being made by Yuri Geller in an interview with a Reuters News Agency correspondent in Israel the day after Hussein was sentenced to death by Iraqi courts for crimes against humanity.
So I don't know what Uri Geller knows or how he knows that there are some who think it's Uri Geller who in fact did the remote viewing himself, and that's how he knows.
Otherwise, I certainly would like to interview Uri Geller, and if I don't, then George or somebody on this program certainly ought to and find out how he got this information, where it came from.
think it could be true?
You think a remote viewer really...
The odds are just, well, impossibly high, it seems like.
So let's venture into the, with all of that for your mind and a little something to think about.
You think a remote viewer did that?
Let's begin to take some calls.
First time caller line, it would be Jim in Missouri.
A lot of older radios, particularly, were subject to images.
And unless you were totally outside of the broadcast band, the odds are pretty good you were hearing some kind of image, possibly from below, which would make it a harmonic below the broadcast band, which means a multiple of some signal that was down below the broadcast band,
which frequently was what's called CW, continuous wave, you know, Morse code, with stations identifying themselves frequently with three-letter calls, that kind of thing.
And so people would hear that on their broadcast radios.
Or it might have been an image, what's called an image from a higher frequency.
It's really hard to say.
Modern radios are quite good in terms of being able to reject images at the very least.
I don't know what they can do for harmonics, but images.
And so you don't hear as much of that.
But it was kind of like magic.
And that's, I'm afraid, an explanation that does work.
Neanderthals may have given the modern humans who replaced them a priceless gift.
That would be a gene that helped them develop superior brains.
You know, the ones we have now, they call them superior.
And the only way they could have provided that gift would have been interbreeding, according to a team at the Howard Hughes Medical Institute and the University of Chicago.
The study published in the proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences provides indirect evidence that modern Homo sapiens and so-called Neanderthals interbred at some point when they lived side by side in Europe.
Finding evidence of mixing is not all that surprising, but our study demonstrates the possibility that interbreeding contributed advantageous variants into the human gene pool that subsequently spread, said Bruce Lahn, a Howard Hughes Medical Institute researcher at the University of Chicago who led the study.
So it looks like we may have interbred with the Neanderthals, and the result is what you have today, what we have today, what we are today.
So looking at it in that fashion, there's a little Neanderthal, perhaps, in all of us.
What do you think?
Not something you want to think about, but it may well be.
There are other scientists right now looking into the possibility that prop circles are the result of consciousness and DNA.
I'll let you think about that one.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
Coming up at the top of the hour is Jim Bell.
Now, he's the lead scientist for the PanCam Color Imaging System on the NASA Mars Exploration Rover.
You know the spirit and opportunity.
He's the guy in charge of the cameras.
So this is going to be a very, very interesting program tonight.
I sense.
In the meantime, we're in open lines.
Anything you want to talk about is a fair game.
Those are the appropriate portals to get in and ask a question or make a comment, which we'll be receiving in a moment.
Now, some of you may have heard this before, and I've expressed this view, though never so elegantly as it has been put here.
I think the life cycle is all backwards.
By the way, those of you who commented that I look pretty good on the webcam, it was just a real quick webcam shot yesterday.
Thank you very much.
Perhaps there's something here that suits me.
I don't know.
Anyway, when you think about it, our life cycle is all in reverse, or it could be better the other way around.
In other words, you should begin, start out dead.
Just get it right out of the way.
You wake up in a senior care facility where you begin to feel better every day.
And finally, you get kicked out of there for, you know, just being too healthy.
You go collect your pension.
Then, when you finally do start work, you get a gold watch on your first day.
You work 40 years until you're young enough to enjoy your retirement.
You drink alcohol.
You party.
You're generally promiscuous and you get ready for high school.
After high school, you go to primary school.
You become a kid.
You play or you nap all day.
You have no responsibilities.
Then you become a baby with no cares whatsoever.
Then you spend your last nine months floating peacefully with luxuries like central heating, spa treatments, room service on tap, larger living quarters, and you finish off as an orgasm.
Now there would be a life cycle.
Dave in San Diego, California, you are on the air.
Just a scenario was brought to my attention the other day.
I was playing a video game at a friend's house, and I, in this video game, traveled to a friend's house in New York City.
And in the video game, it looked just like my friend's house in New York City.
Kind of scary that they've somehow taken pictures and added this technology into the video games to make it very realistic.
Now, they've got video games out there like SOCOM and other scenario video games that are very realistic that you can play online and you can talk with other people.
And the military technology that they put in these video games is scary.
These video games, I'm sure that these people are categorized by their skills.
Well, now, the possible scenario that I'm thinking of is, well, I've listened to Alex Jones, and I've heard about some of his things about the Globalists and how they want to cut the population down to 500 million for the entire world.
I don't think I, I don't think, in fact, robots can barely walk.
Robots can barely remain vertical.
Robots have not made the kind of progress that was promised.
Now, when I was small, and when many of you were small, and if you're not that old, then let me tell you, when we were small, it was promised to us in science fiction by the time we were, well, hell, not even my age, robots would be doing it all for us.
I think I said it yesterday, that our arms would be hanging slack by our sides because robots would be fulfilling every little dirty duty that we don't want to do.
And even the easier stuff, robots would be taking care of it all.
So in terms of robots fighting or invading or thinning the population in any way at all, I can only imagine that it would be by the frustration of the makers trying to get them to actually work.
Let's go to Oceanside, California.
And Brian, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hey, Art, long time no speak.
The thing you mentioned earlier about the life cycle is reminiscent of Mork from Orc because basically Robin Williams said in that show that when you were born old and then as you get younger, as we would get older, then you have to go back.
That's the way you begin, so that's the way you finish off.
And it'd be kind of a fireworks finish.
unidentified
Finish off, so to speak.
Anyway, well, my topic was, I'd like to mention, I don't know if you heard what the budget for 2007 is going to be for Iraq, and I assume this is for Iraq and Afghanistan, but it was $70 billion that's been approved so far, and the Pentagon and or our current resident wants another $125 billion.
Do you know, sir, that there are a number of North Vietnamese generals who already were, at the time we got ready to pull out, admitting that they were defeated militarily.
We had in our power the ability to defeat the North Vietnamese, North Vietnam, period.
That's all there is to it.
I don't care.
Draw pictures and talk to me about China or anything else you want.
We could have beat their butts, and we chose not to.
And I mean that.
We chose not to win that war.
unidentified
Well, I agree there.
But on the other hand, the situation, comparing, I think, Iraq to Vietnam is a little ridiculous anyway, because it's a much larger country with a lot more problems that we'll never solve.
I think that we could end up with some sort of solution.
It may require a complete reorganization of how we're approaching the whole problem.
In fact, it may even require a reassessment of what our goals are in Iraq.
But I think we can conclude with something less than what's going to be regarded as a loss.
I think we could end up with some sort of stability in the region, which really was one of the main goals there in the first place, right?
Some sort of stability in the region.
We have Syria, we have Iran to contend with, and of course, Iraq is a mess.
There's a lot.
You know, we had this talk a couple of weeks ago, and I'd be glad to get into it again with you.
It's a worthy topic.
It's something that we all ought to be talking about.
I know it's not a normal topic for coast-to-coast AM, that is politics or the war or whatever, but it's something going on in our lives, and it needs to be talked about.
The American people really, really need to talk about this before we sort of let it go, and we do have what is eventually regarded as a loss, and we lose control of the entire region.
That would not be a healthy thing for us as in U.S. We still require, for example, oil.
It comes from that region, and if we pick up sticks and leave Iraq, we're leaving a terrible geopolitical situation behind, just absolutely awful.
We're leaving a vacuum that will be picked up probably by Iran with Syria's assistance, and God knows what we're going to be left with.
So you bear in mind, we still need that oil.
That's no minor matter.
We need that oil.
America runs on oil until we figure something else out.
We've got to have that oil.
So I'm not afraid to say it.
I'm certain that one of the reasons we went to war was oil.
And one of the reasons we continue to be at war there is oil.
Otherwise, if it was really to remove a brutal dictator, what he was doing to his people, then we'd have been at war down, we'd have been cleaning up the warlords in Somalia.
We would have cleaned up Cambodia.
We would have stopped the slaughter in Africa.
We would have gone into so many other places.
So let's be honest with ourselves.
That's not the reason that we Went in.
That's not the reason we're there now.
It's much more oil than anything else.
On the fourth wildcard line in Phoenix, Arizona, Dell, you are on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
All right, I have a question about time travel.
You were talking about bringing data back, and let me throw out a couple ifs and see if we could agree.
Okay, to be fair, I had a guest who was talking about data being the first kind of time travel, yes.
unidentified
I agree.
Let's assume we find a planet some 20 light years out in space, and we use our time travel machine, and we're going to decide to send 100 scientists there, and we're going to look at this planet and see and catalog everything that's there.
Once we get there, we find there's a small tropical island, and it is just full of plants and animals.
I'm using time travel to get past the idea of, say, 20 light years away so that we could be somewhere else in a blink of an eye.
Hear me out.
Let me see.
We sent, say, 100 scientists out to this island, and they stay there for 20 years.
At the end, they have gathered 20 years worth of data.
When they come back, would in effect they not be bringing back the island, the inhabitants, the plants, the animals?
If they bring back sufficient amounts of data, would in effect it not be that?
And number two, would they bring all the data back instantly, or would they have to sit and relive it all over a 20-year period to actually see all the data?
Okay, well then, as you're well aware, during this portion of the sun cycle, 20 meters, as a general rule, kind of closes up tighter than a drum a little bit after the sun has gone down, right?
You see, I have kind of snuck my antenna up there.
It was no small feat.
I snuck my antenna up there, and I've got it presently in a place where it's not very well seen, and so I haven't been caught yet.
But I went up prior to the program today, and I can clearly see a way that I could get, say, a 200 and maybe a 250-foot loop up there.
It could be done rather easily.
The problem is that they will have a much easier time seeing my antenna, busting me, and telling me to take it down.
Now, there is this old, it's much easier to ask forgiveness than permission thing.
But perhaps if they saw it was just a wire, which is all it would be, they wouldn't at all freak out, or maybe they would.
But I can clearly see that I can get a pretty good long loop, what's called a loop antenna up there, which would be, I think, much more effective than what I have up there presently.
But I'll probably get busted.
I was doing that survey just prior to the show today.
I wouldn't be surprised to see myself back up on the roof for the next day or so, giving this loop a try.
And even if I do get busted, I'll have a day or two in which to see how well it plays before they get me.
So that's kind of the situation here.
Once a ham, always a ham.
Wildcard line, Jim in Alabama, you're on the air.
unidentified
How you doing, Ark?
My wife and I were having a discussion after you mentioned that fell on Israel that you're talking about.
I didn't hear it clearly.
I was in the other room about the remote viewer that the Israelis have.
Eri Geller is saying that it was a remote viewer that said where Saddam Hussein was down in the hole.
unidentified
Right.
And we got into a discussion, and I told him that I thought that I may have heard, now I've listened to you for years, and I've heard Major Ed Dames, kind of a spooky guy, but I thought that someone had mentioned that there were quite a few exorcisms performed on members of his unit.
I was wondering if you knew anything about that, if that was just something that I mistakenly heard.
No, although I can imagine why you might suggest that that would be the case.
Now, obviously behind his comment is the suggestion that remote viewers are, in essence, opening doors that allow the devil's representatives, if not the man himself, in, Requiring the exorcism of the spirit.
So I guess that's what's suggested by what he just said.
Now, you may recall, Ed Dames did remote view Lucifer.
And to be honest with you, to this very day, I feel that Ed Dames was a different man after remote viewing Life.
And perhaps an exorcism in his case would be appropriate.
Now, he denies that.
He says that he's not a different person after Lucifer, but I'm the guy who interviews him again and again and again and again.
And I'm telling you, there is a difference in this man following his encounter with the spirit that he called Lucifer.
And I really think he's a different guy.
So that's something that the subject, of course, would not admit.
He would roundly deny.
And Ed, of course, does deny it.
But he's just a little bit different.
Just a little bit different.
And I know a lot of the rest of you detected a little bit of difference because you said so in many fast blasts and all the rest.
Coming up after the break is Jim Bell.
He's the guy who's running the cameras on the rover spacecraft on Mars.
What a job that must be, huh?
And submitted for his approval are some questions from Richard Hoagland.
On the other side of the world, I'm Art Bell.
There really is some irony in what I'm about to tell you.
I don't know if irony is the right word, but Jim Bell is not going to be here, I'm told.
Now, bear in mind that I'm speaking to you from the other side of the world.
My neighbors are China, Vietnam, Indonesia.
In other words, I'm really, really far away, the actual other side of the world, right?
And we can't get a good connection with Jim Bell.
Now, Jim Bell is in a hotel somewhere.
I really don't.
They haven't told me where.
In fact, you might back there in California, you might pipe in and tell me what state he's in.
He's probably in California, I imagine.
Though I don't know that.
He's in a hotel someplace or another in New York.
All right, he's in New York.
In New York?
Well, New York ought to be right at the top of the heap, you would think, in terms of telephone connections, right?
He's at some hotel, and his room connection was not airable.
It was so bad, it was just not airable.
So he transferred to the business, you know, every hotel has a little business area where you can go and get a telephone or a computer connection or whatever it is you need as a business person, right?
And it had so much static, it's not arable.
So Jim Bell is not arable.
I don't know.
It's kind of ironic that here I am on the other side of the world, completely arable, and Jim Bell in New York isn't.
Therefore, ladies and gentlemen, open lines.
Anything you want to talk about is fair game.
I just heard kind of a cute promo during the break.
And I remember I did this a long time ago.
And it really might be fun to do again.
Because I know it's something that an awful lot of you have considered.
And that is, I would like to hear from some people out there who have made a deal with the devil.
Now, I know this is something you're probably not going to want to talk about.
But if there's anybody out there who's made a deal with the devil, now that means even these deals can be made very silently.
You can make one in your own mind.
You can just think a deal with the devil.
You can be so frustrated, so hurt, in such a tough spot in life.
Maybe you've lost your wife and your job and your, you know, this and that, and you're really in bad shape.
And so you have a moment there where you say, all right, all right, if there's really a devil, God hasn't done his job for me, and I've prayed and I've prayed.
So if there's a devil out there, I'll make a deal with you.
Make my life right.
And you got a deal.
And we all know what, well, there's really only one thing the devil wants, right?
So how many of you have actually made a deal with the devil?
I really would like to know.
So if you're one of those people, by all means, pick up on one of those phone numbers and give me a call.
At any rate, it looks very much like open lines are directly ahead.
So if you have something you want to say, not just deals with the devil, but anything at all you want to get on, open lines, here we are.
We'll begin in a moment.
Seems to me New York City is the virtual hub of communications for the entire world.
So not to be able to get a good connection with somebody who, frankly, does the work for NASA, I mean the camera work for the rovers and all the rest of that, would have been a blast.
What we will do is we'll reschedule Jim Bell for next week at a location where he has a telephone that can actually communicate.
But I just can't imagine being in a New York City hotel.
I can imagine a room phone being bad.
But when you go to the business section, you ought to be able to get a connection that's arable.
That's absolutely amazing.
And yet here I am, here I am on the virtual other side of the world, the actual other side of the world.
And open lines.
I have no problem with that whatsoever.
Let's begin with Mike in New Mexico.
Mike, hello.
unidentified
Hi, I had a question.
Well, actually, maybe a comment about that call from New York that didn't go through.
It was probably due to, I was watching a report Bill Myers, or Bill Moyers, rather, on America, something like the digital divide and how America was sort of lacking in that, and how it was below 15th in the world as far as broadband.
Well, here in the Philippines, whether you're in Manila, where I'm located, the big city capital, or whether you're on Mindanao out in the middle of nowhere, we have what's called G3 here.
Now, I just recently bought myself and my wife a Sony cell phone, and this is a picture phone.
In other words, you can see the person you're talking to.
We should be at the head of the list in these things, not at the back of the 13th or 14th or whatever it is.
But to not be able to get an arable telephone connection from New York is just really pathetic.
And it does have to do with the infrastructure.
And as I mentioned, we, of course, built very early.
We were one of the very early, one of the first countries to get telecommunications strung out across the nation.
And we did it with copper.
The problem is that we never really changed it.
And an awful lot of the infrastructure remains copper, while other countries sort of waited, saw fiber come along and built their infrastructure with fiber.
So they're able to deliver these really high broadband connections for whatever purpose, whether it be a telephone call or a video conference or cellular connections or whatever.
To have other countries ahead of the U.S. is just, I don't know, it's kind of frustrating, but it's absolutely true.
Let's go to Mojave, California and say, Charles, hello there, buddy.
You're on the air.
unidentified
Yes.
Longtime listener, and only, I think this is my second time in my life I've managed to get in.
And I'm sorry that the other Bell couldn't make it.
I wanted to ask him about his opinion of the possibility of micro-launchers.
It's a plan in development to try to create access means to hundreds of near-Earth asteroids by developing a very tiny class of spacecraft weighing only a couple of hundred grams that could be launched by the hundreds.
Some of these, it turns out, may well have exploitable resources, such as hydrates locked up in their minerals, which would be a valuable source of water in space.
The lunar ice story is apparently looking at cost.
I mean, they thought they saw a very great deal of lunar ice.
unidentified
No, what they saw was hydrogen.
What they only supposed was the hydrogen was in the form of the H2O, but the hydrogen could also have been implanted solar wind, and now they're suspecting that that's the case.
I hope you're right, because we've got to have it, or we're not going to really be going into space.
unidentified
Near-Earth asteroids may be an easier way to get to water.
It is a known fact that many of the kind materials that these asteroids are made of have a substantial amount of water locked up as what's called hydrates in the minerals.
And some of these are extremely easy to reach.
There was one that passed us by a while back at a velocity of only 580 meters per second, about Mach 3.
And in space terms, that's crawling.
And there are thousands of these things.
And with tiny spacecraft created by the hundreds, it's possible to explore these in a way that the present, what I'm calling the mainframe era of space exploration, cannot do.
Well, I'm not at all sure they wouldn't be fighting.
Without the iron hand of Saddam Hussein there, or somebody else's iron hand, there has been this trouble going on for a long time.
It was just waiting for the iron hand to move back far enough to begin getting at each other's throats once again.
So I think anything that would allow them a little bit of freedom would allow them the freedom to fight.
And that's what they're doing.
Now, I'm not saying that our presence there is not the cause of a great deal of the insurgency.
Certainly it is.
But there are a number of ways of looking at that.
And one of them is that you may have noticed since 9-11, nothing else horrible has happened yet.
And one of the reasons for that, I believe, is that we're keeping them busy in Iraq.
Now, we're going to end up fighting them in one place or another.
Given a choice, I'd prefer having it on somebody else's shore, not ours.
And I really do think that the one thing you can give our military credit for right now is the fact that they are fighting in Iraq and not in New York City or Los Angeles or San Francisco or Seattle or one of those places.
In other words, it's been pretty quiet out there, hasn't it, since 9-11, and there's a reason for that, and I think Iraq is one of the main reasons.
Now, if we walk away from Iraq and just let whatever is going to be to be, then eventually that's going to be used as a base of operations, as so much of the rest of the Middle East is, to launch operations against us, and it's going to be on our shores once again.
Now, that may be the position of a warmonger.
I'm sure I'll get emails.
I certainly do every week when I say something like this.
But we are fighting them there, and I'd rather fight them there than I would here.
Do any Of you really, really doubt that they want us dead.
They've said it again and again and again.
They want us dead.
They don't want to modify our policy.
Perhaps was a time when they wanted that.
I'm sure they would have us change our policy, but even if we do, they still want us dead.
They want us to convert or they want us to die.
Now, when you have somebody who has made up that, has that kind of frame of mind that you're either going to join them in their religion, and you're going to cover up, and you're going to cover up your women, and you're going to operate your life in an entirely different way than you've been operating it, or you're going to die, well, then you've probably got to fight on your hands.
If you're a red-blooded American, you've definitely got to fight on your hands, and we've got to fight on our hands.
Question is, where do we want to have that fight?
Do we want to have that fight in New York, L.A., Seattle, Chicago, or Baghdad and its surroundings?
I think that's something we all need to be asking ourselves before we give up, toss down the rifles, and leave.
Anyway, that's my view, and I know it's certainly not shared by all, but I think it is realistic.
From Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell.
Jim Bell was scheduled to be here.
He can't make it because he can't get a good phone connection in New York City at the hotel.
Neither in his room nor in the business centers supplied by the hotel.
And even if I knew the hotel's name, I guess under the circumstances, I wouldn't air it.
He can't get a good phone connection.
So we're going to try and schedule Jim Bell for next week.
In the meantime, we're up to open lines, which means, well, virtually anything goes.
I am looking for a few people out there who have made a deal with the devil.
Now, I do have a screener back there because of the nature of the distances involved in doing the program this way.
I have a screener.
So if my screener would be kind enough to simply type in anybody who claims that they've made a deal with the devil so I can quickly go to that line ahead of the others, I would appreciate that.
Otherwise, we'll sort of cruise around and see what there is in the night.
Now, all our lines are full, and I don't see one that's marked with deal with the devil or anything of the sort.
But I know that a lot of people have done that.
I know a lot of you have made deals with the devil because, well, we've all thought about it.
At times of intense strife or difficulty, personally, we've all thought about it, making a deal with the devil.
So I know people have done it, and I also know people probably wouldn't want to talk about it.
But I'd be very interested in anybody with the cojones to come forward and say they have made a deal with the devil and sort of see how it's worked out.
Now let's go to New York City, somebody apparently who does have a phone connection.
I'm not saying there are not things that would cure cancer out there, but documenting one case of somebody who cured themselves that way does not in itself prove that.
There was somebody else who, I think it was carrot juice.
Yeah, that's right.
It was carrot juice, carotene.
This gal drank so, and she too was a doctor.
Many of you will recall her name.
She drank so much carrot juice that she actually turned orange.
And she claimed that too was a cure for cancer.
And in fact, it did arrest her cancer, or her cancer did arrest, might be another way to put it.
But one case of somebody doing something or having their cancer arrested, doing whatever it is they're doing with herbal whatever, does not justify a claim of, quote, a cancer cure.
And so you've got to be very careful about that because there are an awful lot of people out there suffering terribly with cancer.
And of course, they would jump at anything like that that's said, but I suppose people can Google it and find out for themselves.
And the really cool California freeways that used to be so smooth and wonderful and new are now rutted, pitted, affected by the sun, just in terrible shape.
And the same goes for our telecommunications.
It's just not what it once was.
unidentified
But yeah, I mean, I think that if they would just start hiring people to fix all that stuff up, I just think that would help out of our economy tremendously.
Well, I agree with you, Chase, and I don't know what it's going to take.
I don't know if we could have another sort of work project that would get everybody going.
We don't have the kind of unemployment that we had during the Depression.
We certainly couldn't pay people what we paid during that time.
But what we could do is employ alien labor.
Now, I know there's a big, big, big controversy going on in the United States right now about immigration to the U.S. But what would be wrong with using immigrants license to come across the border and perhaps eventually earn citizenship through this method and going to serious work on the infrastructure in the U.S.?
Why not?
Roads, highways, communication systems, it all seriously needs work.
And of course, as we know, we're putting billions of dollars into the war and other efforts right now, money that, of course, could be used for infrastructure.
I think it's kind of sad.
I mean, I recall when I was young and the roads and the interstates and the highways were new.
What a pleasure it was to drive from coast to coast.
Well, that pleasure has to some degree evacuated.
I wonder how many evaporated is the word.
I wonder how many of you feel the same thing, that the roads and the infrastructure of the U.S. is just not what it once was.
It's sort of grown old and fallen into disrepair, and that applies to bridges and just all kinds of things.
It's old, whereas it once was new, it's now old.
Now, in Europe, if you look around in Europe, for example, you go to France, you will find their infrastructure is incredibly, unaccountably superb.
Now, I know they pay a lot of taxes, but my God, they've got an underground rail system that is just so easy and such a pleasure to use.
You don't see any graffiti.
The trains run on time.
Yes, I know what they say about trains running on time.
But, you know, everything is clean.
Everything is basically made of stone.
It's a very different kind of environment in Europe.
And they have succeeded in keeping their infrastructure up to date, whereas we have not.
Yeah, if you're talking about Blue Book, Jeff, you can certainly get a copy of the final report of Blue Book, but I honestly don't think you're going to get a lot out of it.
It basically concluded by suggesting that whatever these things are, and there were, of course, a percentage of cases that they investigated that they had no answer for whatsoever.
But even that said, they concluded by saying that whatever these things are, they're not a threat to national security.
And I've always marveled at that.
Think about it a little bit.
If things are traversing our atmosphere at many times the speed of sound, many times faster than the speed of sound than any aircraft we have is capable of that we're aware of, and they're in our airspace and we cannot control them, we cannot shoot them down, we cannot in any way have any effect on them whatsoever.
They simply do with our airspace what they want.
If that is not a threat to national security, then what is?
Well, the first time they hit us, the World Trade Center, rather, was in 1993.
And it took eight years for them to hit us again on 9-11.
So the argument that it's been five years and we haven't had another attack here doesn't necessarily, I don't see where that means that us, we're keeping them busy over there.
Well, it doesn't absolutely mean it, but certainly 9-11, the success from their point of view of 9-11, would encourage them to hit us harder with something else, perhaps a nuclear, biological weapon, something like that.
unidentified
Exactly.
Well, wouldn't that possibly take longer than eight years?
You know, the five-year timeline and us not having been hit yet, it's like that doesn't necessarily mean that there's nothing out there waiting to happen that they just hadn't come to fruition yet.
That's what I'm scared of is we don't need to feel so secure because we're keeping them busy over there.
They're still wanting, and I think they have this great desire to hit us again, probably worse than 9-11, like 9-11 was worse than the first World Clay Center attack.
And if they're not doing that there, do you honestly think, Tara, that eventually if we were to leave Iraq, that we would not be facing that kind of thing in U.S. cities?
But I guess we agree that we do have to remain there, and we have to find a way to have a resolution to this that doesn't include just dropping our guns and leaving.
I feel very strongly about that.
And I do think there is something to the fact that we are engaging them on another shore.
And if we were to just give up and walk away, that eventually we'd be engaging them on our shore.
And that's not to say that we may not again.
Tara is absolutely right.
Because we have gone five years without any follow-up attack to 9-11 doesn't mean there won't be one.
There may well be.
But I guess I'm still pleased that we're fighting them on other shores in Afghanistan and Iraq rather than in the U.S. Because I think if we do withdraw, eventually we will be fighting them in the U.S. On the international line in Canada, you're on the air.
If it's as true as this guy says it is, then I'd advise them to read it.
It'll change their minds about dealing with terror, and it'll give them some resolve anyway.
It claims they have nuclear weapons, they have labs set up to service them, that they're planning simultaneous takeouts of U.S. cities, 12 of them, with these weapons.
Well, it's going to be hard to top 9-11, but I guess that's what they're working on.
unidentified
Yeah, like I would, like, if people want to know about the interconnection, the inner workings of the Al-Qaeda, this guy, I listened to him on coast to coast there, and he said he couldn't sleep nights for what he knew.
Well, I believe it, Ken, and I think that, as I mentioned, if it's not a nuclear device, and it may well be, if it's not a nuclear device, then it's going to be some sort of biological agent.
And do any of you doubt, I mean, people who are willing to strap dynamite on their chest and then blow up a restaurant full of Westerners or whatever else they're blowing up, these kinds of people would not hesitate one second to take a biological agent, nuclear device, set it off, and kill as many of us as they're able to.
And I really don't think any of you out there doubt that, do you?
It's just how we approach the problem.
That's where we differ.
From Manila in the Philippines, I'm Mark Bell.
Jim Bell was supposed to be here as guest, but he couldn't find a good phone, couldn't get a good phone in a New York hotel, neither in his room nor the business area of the hotel.
That alone is something to contemplate.
In the meantime, no problem.
We're doing open lines, and anything you want to talk about is fair game.
I am soliciting those who have made a deal with the devil and yet find one.
Even one.
Now, remember, Screener, if you find one, put down devil or deal with devil or something so that I will know and be able to jump to that line instantly.
But thus far, in one hour of searching, we have not found one person who's made a deal with the devil, and I know you're out there.
As Father Martin used to say, so many perfectly possessed walking the streets, he could see them, he could recognize them as he passed them in the streets, so you all are out there.
You just don't talk a lot.
We'll be back in a moment.
Aha.
You see, my screen does not perhaps update as often as it should, so I missed Wildcard Line 3, which apparently has somebody who has made a deal with the devil.
You can say, look, well, let's find out what you did say.
So you kind of made a deal in your mind.
What was your situation when you made the deal?
unidentified
Well, as you sort of mentioned, without going into too much detail, I was sort of down on the way things were going.
And it was sort of the, and I was kind of unpleasantly surprised because, as we'll get to in a minute, because I never thought that anything would actually happen.
And, you know, it sort of didn't work out that way.
But, well, so what happened was, it was a quiet night, and I'm just sitting there, and I started thinking in my head, what if I, you know, sold my soul?
And well, now I said, what the hell?
And I really'd rather not say the entire thing verbatim again, if you don't mind, because really it wasn't too pleasant the first time.
Just your repeating it does not constitute doing the deal again.
So you don't have to worry about that.
You can tell us what you said.
unidentified
Well, that's a good point.
All right, Art.
I said if just, you know, if life would pick up, if the misery would stop, I will sell my soul.
And I don't, I didn't, like I said, I didn't think anything would really happen, but as the days went on, and I started to notice things, things were little things to start that would just suddenly go my way.
Like I'm a pretty compulsive gambler, and all of a sudden, started winning very large sums of money.
Very large sums of money.
And I couldn't explain it.
I'd never been, I'd never had any sort of luck, and all of a sudden, you know, there it was, just being dumped right in your lap, yes.
Yes, more or less.
And even, you know, with relationships and things, and, you know, I started getting involved with a woman not too long after that either.
And, you know, I hate to say it, but maybe fortunately or unfortunately for me, my life has taken a turn for the better since the proverbial deal was made.
And I'm sure that as you get comfortable with your winnings and your women, at some point you think back and you say to yourself, oh my God, I did make that deal and now it's going better.
Is there a way I can take it back?
unidentified
Well, more or less, and that sort of brings up a question that I'd like to pose to you, Art.
A contractual agreement would have to be one where both parties would agree to terms, wherein if I say that I will sell my soul, then someone will have to be there on the other end to finalize the deal.
Well, then the question that I've been asking myself pretty much over and over is, is this a deal that I made or is it more just a psychological thing?
I mean, if you say this in your mind, that you are willing to, for a better life, and obviously your life has improved, sell your soul to the devil, I would say you sold your soul to the devil.
Now, is there any way to modify or cancel this contract?
Would you say that the difference in your life after you made the deal was so drastic that it made you believe you really did cut the deal?
unidentified
At certain times, yes.
At certain times, yes.
I mean, there are times when, and pretty much I just, I try to go through things in my mind to try to assure myself that it hasn't happened, but I'm not so sure some of the time.
And it really is a scary thing.
And as you said, to think that maybe, you know, there is no recourse, that maybe this is what it is, and that's it.
Thank you very, very much for the call and for having the colonies come on here and say you made the deal.
No, I know, I know.
and it's one of the difficult propositions in the Christian world that I do have trouble with.
If you have done something evil or wrong, really bad, I just don't have the understanding for how you can, for example, if you're Catholic, let's say, go into confession and walk away clean.
You know, if you hail Marys and whatever all and walk away clean.
I just, I can't, in my own mind, buy into that.
It may well be true, but I just am unable to buy into that.
That everything is forgiven.
You can even murder.
You can do this.
You can do that.
And then be forgiven if you're properly, if you have proper contrition.
I just, I sort of never bought that.
I've always felt that there is going to be retribution for whatever it is that you have done.
So I don't know what to say, sir.
Sounds like you've struck a deal.
Sounds like it's working out the way you had hoped.
And it sounds like you're having some reservations about what you did.
Not about a green head, but what we'll do is toss it out to the audience, Dan.
It's very interesting.
One aspect of your story, though, is familiar to me, and that is that whether it's a green head of an old lady or it's a shadow person or some other form of spirit, the fact that the spirit, when it realizes it is being seen, is as surprised or more surprised or shocked than you is a recurring theme.
Very much a recurring theme.
We're hearing that again and again and again and again.
And it's almost as though something, some other dimensional entity or, you know, I don't know the right words to use.
We really don't know whether it's a ghost, whether it's something from another dimension, extraterrestrial, whatever it is.
They seem to be under the working assumption that they cannot be seen by us.
And when they are, when they realize that they're seen, they are suddenly more shocked than we are.
And that's very much a recurring theme.
So there's certainly something going on.
As usual, coast-to-coast animals, a little ahead of the curve, the rest of the world in reporting or even being willing to talk about a subject like this.
So I think you're on to something.
I think you're all on to something.
Those of you who have said that these entities are shocked when they realize we can see them.
There's something to it.
All right, let's go to wildcard line one.
Wesley in Iowa apparently has made some sort of deal with the devil.
In fact, may even be a Satanist.
Is that correct, Wesley?
unidentified
Yep, that's absolutely correct.
It's an honor to talk to you, Art Bell.
Okay, I'm a Satanist.
My wife introduced me to it.
We first came into the, I don't know if you've heard of Anton LeVay.
I mean, were you just sitting around one evening and she says, hey, listen, honey, I'm in league with the devil now, and I'll tell you all about it, and you can join me if you want.
Is that how it happened?
unidentified
Yeah.
It's kind of, she was like, you know, hey, I'm a sadist.
I'm like, oh, and she sent me an internet link.
We were talking online because we were dating online at first.
But you're telling me you talk to Satan and Satan talks back to you.
unidentified
Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, I don't know what it is exactly.
It's kind of like talking to God in a sense, you know, but it's what I found out from Filada Sources and from myself as well is that he lives in a four-dimensional plane, like in a, which is kind of like, I don't know if you ever heard of four density.
So, Josie, you went from being Christian to agnostic to, well, I guess all the way then to the devil.
Well, is it really the devil?
Is it Lucifer?
Are you a Satanist?
unidentified
Well, yeah, we're kind of what, I mean, people always say, oh, you're probably just some gothic kid because you're a Satanist and want attention.
And it's not that way.
We don't follow all of LeVay's preachings.
I mean, yeah, he was a good guy.
He came up with a lot of great ideas, but I don't, where I used to, when I first became a Satanist, I did follow his preachings, but then I kind of evolved and looked into spiritual Satanism more.
Now, do you think that Wesley honestly believes as you believe, or do you think that he was just sort of wowed into Satanism because of your feminine charms?
unidentified
I honestly think that he believes because he seems to have a stronger link with Satan and our protector demons than I do.
No, I just kind of imagine, or how we kind of both believe that when it's over, we kind of just go to a collective waiting room, so to speak, where you kind of hang out with other people who have also passed over.
Okay, I have a friend who was stationed there some time ago, and he swears to me that in typhoons along the beach there, that he's seen some of the local men be able to fly four and five feet off of the ground, right above the sand there.
Erica, I just want to ask, aren't there times, moments, when you worry just a little bit that that little vial, well, wouldn't you like to have it back?
I hope that little bit of hot air that you breathed into the vial did not, in fact, contain your soul.
But I wouldn't take any bets on it.
$215, just not.
I don't think that's a good deal.
Souls should be worth more than that.
They definitely should be worth more than that.
All right, well, so we're looking for people who have sold their soul to the devil, and I'm shocked that we found this many of them already.
Here I said I really didn't see any.
The lies just were jam-packed full and are jam-packed full.
And it's amazing to me that that many people have done it.
I mean, even if you're not sure about spirituality, if you're not sure about religion, if you're not sure about a greater power, you've got to have some doubts.
My views on marijuana are, and I'll just give it to you straight, I think it's significantly less harmful than alcohol.
I think that eventually, when America gets its head straight, it will decriminalize marijuana altogether.
And in terms of an escapist kind of substance, I think marijuana is far less harmful both to individuals from a health point of view and to the economy as a whole.
Alcoholism costs, well, I don't know, about $100 billion a year to the economy.
That's a lot of money.
A lot of money.
unidentified
Okay, well, I was thinking because it is sometimes referred to as the devil's weed, the weed with the roots in hell.
I know that's been mentioned as far as the propaganda, as far as it was sort of associated with Satan, but actually it's kind of interesting in the origins.
I've never really heard marijuana connected to the devil.
Yeah, actually, Reaper Madness, the Reaver Madness, but that's not really the devil that they're talking about.
And Reaver Madness was a propaganda film that was pure baloney.
It was turned out by the government, and I think it implied that people who smoke marijuana go out and rape people and rob banks and do all kinds of horrible things.
For the most part, people who smoke marijuana sit around and smile.
Yeah, as far as its origins, though, I was wondering, as far as it connected to the devil, as far as the Jewish tradition, as far as it came out of, as it was an anointing oil, that the actual anointing oil of the Bible was actually hemp oil.
And some scholars believe that it actually did contain THC, and that's how the sort of Moses had been receiving his visions from up on the mount and seeing the burning bush, the referral to marijuana.
So it's kind of interesting that some of the origins of the devil, as well as God, as far as the Judeo-Christian God, could find roots in this, I guess, weed with roots in hell.
Well, actually, coming up to a bit more modern reference, I think it was the New York Times.
I think it was the Times.
It ran a story that said, if marijuana were to be legalized in all its forms, hemp, and then utilized and taxed, not outrageously, but just taxed as everything else is taxed, it would mean an immediate half trillion dollars to the American economy.
Half trillion dollars.
That's a lot of money.
That's a whole lot of, well, you could do anything with it.
That's a whole lot of war.
It's a whole lot of infrastructure renewal.
It's a lot of welfare money.
It's a lot of however you want to see it.
It's a lot of money.
And I think that it is my belief that marijuana is medically far less harmful to the individual than is alcohol, far less harmful to the economy, and really doesn't drive people to the kind of outrageous behavior that alcohol does.
Of course, all that is somewhat spoiled by the ridiculous reefer madness type films that were produced by the government in its anti-marijuana drive.
Now, you ask why is marijuana illegal?
Well, I think the answer to that is productivity.
America is a country that prides itself on being extremely productive.
We take very few vacations.
We work our butts off.
And those who smoke marijuana tend to be kind of lollygaggers.
You know, they tend not to work really hard.
That's not a universal truth.
There are some who work very hard, even under the influence of marijuana.
But for the most part, they sit around a lot.
And that, of course, harms the economy.
So based on that, the government made it illegal.
And I think that is and remains the basis for marijuana being illegal.
Satan the devil will maintain the secret of possession and hold out, like a carrot at the end of string and stick, the potential privilege of possession.
Satan the devil has complete control of evil, privilege, slavery, secrets, and covets them absolutely and is gratified that humans are willing to desire them to the degree of wanton wars of greed and lust.
But, I mean, again, you don't respect the economic system that you are participating in, so I don't know how you can be a happy man.
We're at breakpoint.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast A.M. Morning all.
You know, it just occurred to me, guy complaining about capitalism, that actually selling your soul is a rather capitalist act, right?
Even though the fellow who breathed in a little tube then sold it on eBay only got $215, not all that capitalist, but it nevertheless is a capitalist act.
Ask and ye shall receive.
People who have sold their souls, they're just lining right up.
God knows you can't flee without having fresh lipstick on.
So at what point in all of this do you believe that you retrieved your soul?
unidentified
I immediately, after the money started coming out of the woodwork, I took it back, took it back, took it back.
And I had a lot of gifts, intuitive gifts and other gifts that was already bestowed on me by the Almighty.
And as true as I stayed to him, I know, in the name of Jesus Christ, of course, I kept those gifts, and that's how I knew that it was successfully taken back.
And I have had several trials, although I did, every single thought I had during my lifetime came true, as long as I was specific and believed it would happen.
Well, at the very best, we get to live maybe into our 90s.
That'd be pushing it, right?
Yes.
So you've already lived, in all probability, over half your life, Vince.
Right.
And it seems as though, you know, to me anyway, that you're willing to sell your soul for the balance of a relatively few number of years that you have left versus all of eternity.
Because you see, Vince, when you sell your soul, you're selling it, well, for all time.
unidentified
I understand that.
I'm willing to.
I really do understand that.
I really am taking the acceptance of that and ready to do it.
Anyway, I recommend against it, Dora, that you at least give it more thought.
But then there is always another school of thought, Vince, and that is that once you've actually thought of doing this, you, in essence, have already done it.
We sort of all know that goes along with the, you know.
unidentified
Yeah, just I agree with that one caller, that couple.
Well, basically what it is, it's the Ten Commandments in reverse.
And you do have to perform homosexual acts and abuse children.
Antoine LeVay Antoine Levey, the creator of the satanic Bible and the Church of Satan, castrated his son at the age of 15.
Well, his son is now a preacher.
And Satan will lie to his followers and say that they're going to be his right-hand man when, in fact, they're going to burn in hell like the rest of them.
You know, that she was going to be his special assistant, not down in the burning pit of sewage with all the rest of the average sellers.
unidentified
And your last couple, they sounded real confused and not knowledgeable in the left-hand path.
And it just sounded like they're looking and searching for spirituality, but in all the wrong places.
You know, maybe they should study Wiccan or shamanic witchcraft or natural magic or because people get into this because they want power, you know, or they need money.
And, you know, when you think about it, all we are is pawns in the war between Satan and God.
You know, it's also, and, you know, I really love Sony, but it's an insidious plan.
I mean, they come up with a new PlayStation, and then they only put out so many so that it's so rare people are climbing over other bodies to get to it.
unidentified
Yeah, I believe there was a killing over one of them, too.
All right, let's jump to Tom in Phoenix, Arizona on a wildcard line.
You're on the air, Tom.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
It's a longtime listener, first-time caller.
I've waited 10 years to talk to you.
Welcome.
Ever since your prompt days, being a fellow former Nanhatin, I bid you welcome again.
Thank you.
I wanted to make an observation since we're switching gears here.
This isn't what I called about, but having listened to the callers the last hour, I think many of them are indeed confused and are surrendering to their weaknesses.
And I think that's who waits for those who have weaknesses.
It's the devil who waits.
I mean, those are your testing points.
And if you have a rough life, if you feel very weak and you turn in the wrong direction, there he is, the Horned One waiting for you with the contract, sort of.
unidentified
Exactly.
And if I may, I want to make an observation about Eric, who supposedly sold his soul on eBay.
And then suggests that he didn't, in fact, sell it, that he retained it.
He should have learned a lesson.
It's not nice to cheat Satan.
And insofar as the other callers are concerned, by and large they sound youthful.
And I suggest that it's perhaps youthful angst that perhaps are more agnostic than anything else.