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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Barbara McBeath - Voices from the Other Side

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the Southeast Asian capital city of the Philippine Islands, Manila, I bid you good day.
		Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, whatever the case may be.
		Wherever you are, I'm Art Bell, and this is the weekend version of Coast to Coast AM.
		And when I say coast to coast, I mean literally around the world.
		It's great to be with you.
		My honor and privilege to be escorting you through the weekend.
		It's going to be a wild one where I am, and I'm hoping that Lex or Sean will get the update that I just sent them.
		But if you check the coastcoastam.com website, you will see I was able to find a website that tracks typhoons here.
		We have one headed for us.
		And oh, it's a beaut.
		It's a real beauty and it's getting bigger all the time.
		Fortunately for us, it appears to be headed a little more northerly than it was previously, although some of the computer models still have it coming down toward us.
		Hopefully, it will continue on this northern trek.
		However, the latest information on Typhoon Cimarron, and you'll actually get to see it.
		Now, this is the island that I'm on, for those of you not familiar, and there would be many with the geography here in the Philippines.
		I am on the island of Luzon.
		And wait till you see this.
		The update is not up there yet, but it will be shortly.
		Cimarron is now about to be packing winds of 295 kilometers per hour.
		That's fast.
		And we're not quite sure of the track yet.
		It depends on which computer model it decides to follow, but it's going to cut right through the central and slightly northern part of Luzon.
		Baguio is a city that frequently has a lot of mudslides and trouble, and it's going to be passing very close to Baguio.
		So there's kind of a strange thing here in the Philippines.
		For some reason, they don't warn people.
		You know, in the U.S., my God, they're talking about storms way ahead of time.
		If this kind of storm was headed toward the U.S., it'd be all over the news.
		Here in the Philippines, no.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no news.
		Now, I found out about it by getting a warden message from the U.S. Embassy here in Manila, and I began tracking it a few days ago.
		But here on TV, nothing.
		Radio, nothing.
		I mean, this is a super typhoon headed straight at us.
		And you can clearly see on the map, even though you don't have the latest update as of yet.
		Let me take a look.
		Let me refresh the page and see if they've put up the latest update.
		Let's see.
		I'm sure they'll have it up quickly, if not now.
		Let's see.
		No.
		Yeah, they just got the latest update up there.
		And by 8 a.m.
		Sunday, I'm sorry, 8 p.m.
		Sunday, that would be 8 o'clock tonight.
		It'll have between 240 and 295 kilometers per hour of winds.
		And as you can see, it's beginning to take a little more westerly course, which scares the you know what out of me.
		This is a big, big typhoon.
		And for some reason, they just don't treat.
		You know, you can go talk to people in stores and around here, and they don't even know a typhoon's out there.
		But here this thing is set to strike tomorrow.
		Nobody knows.
		They don't do much in the way of warning people here.
		And I've been asking my wife about that.
		And she just said, well, they don't do it.
		But this is one big mama, as you can clearly see.
		Anyway, I also, oh, by the way, I had this chart, but they were kind enough to put it up on the main website for me so you can see what we're facing.
		I took, about 10 minutes ago, I took a shot.
		It's very eerie here in Manila right now, very eerie indeed.
		I took a shot out the window toward Makati, and you can see there's this strange haze over everything.
		It's not really fog, and it's not smog.
		It's just sort of what happens before a typhoon.
		You go into this great, quiet, sort of eerie, weird lookout, here it comes kind of weather.
		And so that's what it looks like out my window right now.
		We're going to get a big typhoon.
unidentified		Big one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, there is more to talk about, although I'm watching this very, very carefully.
		Listen, coming up Wednesday, I'm going to be doing the annual traditional ghost-to-ghost program.
		And so, two items to think about here, please.
		One, if you have a superlatively good ghost story, I would encourage you to email it to me.
		Now, try and keep it short.
		The best ones are the short ones.
		And I'm only going to be able to read so much on the air before we begin taking calls.
		So if you have a really good ghost story, by all means, commit it to email.
		Send it to me, artbell at mindspring.com.
		I'm ArtBell, A-R-T B-double-L at mindspring.com.
		M-I-N-D-S-P-R-I-N-G.
		Now, beyond that, if you have a ghost story you would like to tell on the air, we are going to be searching for only the best, only the scariest, only the, I don't know, you know what the good and the bad of ghost stories is.
		I want nothing but the best, the absolute best.
		So kind of prep yourself for it a little bit.
		I always encourage people to do that.
		And that means sometimes making a little outline of what you're going to say on paper so that when you get on the air, if you suddenly have an attack of nerves, you can look down and kind of reference what it was you were going to say.
		It can happen.
		You can kind of lock up when you realize you're on the air.
		All right.
		All that said, that's coming up Wednesday.
		I'll remind you again tomorrow about that.
		There is one more thing, and that is tonight, during this program, we will once again, well, let me qualify that.
		You will once again be required to turn your clocks back an hour.
		Now, traditionally, I have ranted about this, and I'll do a very small rant.
		It's an insane, insane thing, in my opinion, to have to twice a year either turn back or go forward one hour.
		It's just insane.
		Why we do it, I have no idea whatsoever.
		Now, I'm going to cut my rant short this year for the following reason.
		I now live in a country that sanely does not change their clocks.
		Now, the only impact this will have on me is that instead of beginning my show at 1 o'clock in the afternoon, I will now be able to get another hour of sleep and begin my show at 2 o'clock in the afternoon.
		So it's fine by me.
		It's fine by me.
		But for everybody across the contiguous 48 states, it's a pain in the butt.
		There are a few states, namely Arizona and a few others, that sanely don't do this crazy thing.
		But for the rest of you, a reminder, you're going to have to turn your clocks back at or before 2 a.m.
		For a lot of you, that means doing beginning right now.
		At home, I had about 30 to 50 clocks.
		I have just an insane number of clocks.
		And I would have to begin in the early evening, and by showtime, I would have them all pretty well turned back, except the one that I was going to use for air.
		So there you have it.
unidentified		I'll tell you what.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's take a, anyway, here I am in the Philippines where they don't touch the clocks ever.
		So my rant is cut short.
		But for those of you in the States that still have to change your clocks, you know, every year I say this and it bounces off, does no good.
		But call your congressman.
		Email your congressman, your senator.
		Tell them to stop the insanity now.
		I would like to see it end in our lifetimes.
		I really would.
		All right, we're going to take a very quick break, and then we will look at the abysmal world news.
		It really is eerie out there just ahead of this big typhoon.
		It's really eerie.
		And if you take a look at my webcam photo, you'll see what I mean.
		It's just strange out there.
		Listen, coming up next hour, normally we would have Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth from the Ghost Investigators Society, GIS, but Brendan is down with a serious case of the flu.
		We will, nevertheless, continue with the program, Barbara Macbeth being here all by herself.
		And this involves electronic voice phenomena.
		And I'll tell you more about it next hour, but it literally is the voices.
		We think the voices of the dead.
		Certainly, there's no accounting for what you're going to hear tonight.
		There really isn't.
		It's one of the things that convinces me more than anything else of life after death.
		After a hastily arranged video conference with President Bush, Iraq's prime minister said Saturday that the U.S. President promised to move swiftly to turn over full control of the Iraqi army to the Baghdad government.
		What's happening here is that they are sort of using the U.S. elections and the president's weakened position because of them to try and pressure him to turn over control of the armed forces a little early, and it's probably working.
		The mother of one of the four firefighters who died during a wildfire that authorities blamed on arsonists urged those who said it to turn themselves in Saturday, saying, quote, I firmly believe you didn't believe that things were going to turn out the way they did, but they did, said Bonnie McKay, whose son, Jason 27, died Thursday.
		Don't let the remorse eat you alive, she said.
		Come forward.
		I, for one, will try to not judge you.
		There is only one who can judge you.
		28 years after his first campaign, President George W. Bush is waging his last.
		And if the polls are anywhere near correct, the president could wind up experiencing the sting of defeat for the first time since the 1978 race.
		Most of the winning campaigns in between have been close, and the president's victories have hinged in part on his flair for retail politicking that allows him to make personal connections with voters.
		It may not be enough this time.
		Let's see.
		Fidel Castro up and on TV in Cuba, now 80 years old, but sort of strolling around saying, see, I'm not dead.
		The Mexican president, Vicente Fox, has ordered federal police down south in his country, where they've had a lot of trouble for a long time.
		But after the killing of a U.S. journalist and at least two Mexicans, apparently his patience with this flare-up has ended, and he's got the military down there.
		Nearly 40% of the scientists conducting hands-on research at the National Institutes of Health say they're looking for other jobs or considering doing so to escape new ethics rules that apparently are curtailing their opportunity to earn outside income.
		Most of the scientists say ethics breakdown, the ethics crackdown rather, is just simply too severe.
		And nearly three-quarters of them think that it will hinder the government's ability to attract and keep medical researchers.
		Probably will.
		Brad Pitt is upset.
		His staff is claiming that a television producer and cameraman trespassed at his Hollywood Hills home after the actor and his family weren't home.
		The pair from E-Networks parked out a van allegedly outside their home October 20th, ignored a no trespassing sign and walked onto the property, where some construction workers apparently saw them and reported the whole thing.
		This is kind of an interesting story.
		Let's see, I have time for it.
		Pig-grabbing space aliens are the talk of Tappan, North Dakota, and beyond.
		But Tori Brisi, whose family counts three close encounters with the inexplicable, there we go, doesn't worry very much about what other people think.
		Some people probably aren't going to believe it.
		I'm not even going to try to convince anybody.
		We know what happened, said Brisi, a member of the Tappan School Board, whose family operates a ranch outside of town.
		Brisie and his wife, Myra, spoke Thursday of three strange occurrences experienced by family members in the past year, two of them reported by their son, Evans 16.
		According to Myra Brisi, the latest incident went something like this.
		Her son awoke early on the morning of September 12, got up to get a glass of water.
		Looking out a window, the boy saw something moving in the corral that is home to several large hogs that are basically family pets.
		Thinking it probably was a coyote, he grabbed a gun and walked into the corral.
		There, he encountered two creatures standing eight to nine feet tall that were doing something to one of the hogs.
		The boy fired his .22-caliber rifle at one creature and was pretty sure he hit it, judging by the unearthly scream it emitted.
		Another creature then grabbed the boy and threw him to the ground, causing him to black out.
		When he awoke, he found that Ruthie, a 400-pound All right, I think we're back on live, everybody, and sorry about that.
		Who knows?
		It may be this approaching typhoon.
		I have no idea the way lines are routed here.
		But what happened was, so that you know, the ISDN line here, which we use for communication.
		Okay, I think we're back yet again.
	I think we're having perhaps a little cockpit problem.
	At any rate, we're back, and we're about to take a break.
	So I'm going to have to hold on to the end of this story until after the break for the information back for the board ops there.
	We are about to go into a break.
	This is quite a story, this story from a farm in North Dakota.
	This is where, you know, it's odd that these things always seem to occur out sort of in the middle of nowhere.
	Once again, it's a weird night.
	We've got a big storm on the way.
	Go to ghostcoastam.com.
	Take a look.
	It's really a monster.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Well, I hope I'm here, and I think I am.
	We had a, again, for those of you who missed it, we had an ISDN disconnect.
	It could be the storm.
	We have the mother of all storms headed toward Luzon.
	And you can see a picture of it on the website if you want to.
	It doesn't look good at all.
	And some of the models have it swinging south, which would be a very disagreeable situation for us.
	I hope it stays up north.
	Anyway, I was telling you this story about North Dakota.
	Let me sort of finish up on that.
	The young fellow shot this thing, which screamed, absolutely screamed, this unearthly scream.
	Later, he was hypnotized.
	Five entities had been in that corral.
	He relayed this all under hypnosis.
	Two were in the process of dragging what appeared to be a dead hog when a boy interrupted them.
	It's simply unexplainable, Myra Briefsy said.
	This still bothers Evan to the day.
	She said, adding her son feels guilty for not being able to save his younger sister's hog.
	As for the other incidents, one was in April when Evan and his cattle dog, Buster, were checking on cows during calving season, his parents said.
	Investigating a flashing glow, the pair walked over a hill, saw an object resting on the ground that appeared to be scanning a water hole with an intense beam of light.
	At first, the boy and dog could do nothing but stare.
	The spell was broken when Buster ran barking at the craft, which then took off into the night, causing what amounted to a sonic boom.
	That woke Myra up.
	Torrey Brisi said of the sound, adding that he too witnessed something unusual this past summer.
	It happened one night in July when he was giving a neighbor a ride into town.
	A lot going on here.
	Breezy said he and the neighbor noticed a bluish light in the sky, which stopped when they stopped, moved when they began driving.
	We spent about a half hour watching it, Breezy said, adding at one point the object flew so fast it went several miles in just seconds.
	Based on the description of the object that his son saw in April, Breezy links the two events, adding that he never had been given to flights of fancy.
	Evan and I are very skeptical, Tori Breezy said.
	We used to watch the UFO files on TV and laugh out loud.
	Breezy said he wouldn't be surprised if people feel the same way about this story, but said that the family doesn't need to prove anything, and they've moved on.
	We're not looking for aliens, he said.
	Rice Barnick, the mayor of Tappan, located off Interstate 94 between Bismarck and Jamestown, said visits by UFOs are the talk of the town, though he himself is not quite on board with it all.
	Not saying it can't happen, but I'd have to see it to believe it.
	At the time of the April incident, the Breeses were put in touch with Richard Moss, a UFO investigator who just happened to be in Tappen for a funeral.
	And he said that his inclination is to definitely believe the story.
	So also, by the way, one of the animals found, a sheep, had had a single testicle removed with surgical precision, surgical precision.
	This was done by a forum reporter, Stephen Wagney, and I thought that it was a very unusual story and one that Deserved airtime.
	Maybe we can find out more about it.
	Perhaps we can interview one of the individuals involved.
	But without question, this is one of the strangest stories I've seen in a long time.
	More in a moment.
	We're about to go to open line, so if you'd like to get on the air and you've got something relevant, interesting for the audience, now would be a time to dial.
	Rita in Houston, Texas said, hey, Art, what happened to the 400-pound pig?
	Your line went out right at the punchline.
	The 400-pound pig just flat disappeared.
	Never did come back.
	So this was one weird story out of North Dakota.
	And if any of the participants would like, you know, it just happened a month or so ago.
	And if any of the participants would like to be interviewed, I'd love to interview them.
	Now, in the next hour, we're going to be talking to Barbara Macbeth from the GIS, Ghost Investigators Society.
	And I'm telling you right now that of all the things that I cover on this radio program, the GIS and these incredible voices that are coming from either another dimension, well, I think it is another dimension.
	That's as closest I can come to whatever the reality of this electronic voice phenomena may be.
	I have no idea what it really is, but these are voices from the other side of something.
	Whether it's actually the voices of the dead or not, I don't know.
	But I am convinced.
	I really am convinced that whatever this phenomena is, it's real.
	It is absolutely real.
	So what you're going to hear tonight will kind of shake you up.
	It will scare you.
	It scares me every time we do it.
	And that's why I've had the GIS back again and again and again, because this really is scary stuff.
	Of course, we're close to Halloween, so it's a good time for it.
	At any rate, top of the hour, GIS, Voices from the Other Side.
	Maybe I should just call it that.
	Instead of Voices from the Dead, we'll call it Voices from the Other Side of something.
	This is such a fascinating world we live in, isn't it?
	Let's go West of the Rockies and say hello, Steve.
	You're on the air.
unidentified		Art, it's about approaching 3 o'clock in the afternoon there, I think, on Sunday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's approaching 2 o'clock in the afternoon.
unidentified		2 o'clock.
		Okay.
		They told me 16 hours when I checked.
		Firstly, I wanted to ask you about the approaching typhoon.
		You quoted the kilometers per hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		295, if you look.
unidentified		That's about 174 point-some miles per hour.
		That's going to be a big one.
		After that last one you had where you were feeling the window and the window was caving inward.
		Yes.
		Yes.
		Do you have a shelter in the basement there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have a parking garage.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, have you considered that versus first of all, this thing is going north right now, and I hope it keeps going north, sir.
		But it's obviously going to hit Luzon.
		And you can actually see a little bit of the Philippine geography if you look at that map.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, there you have it.
		At any rate, I am on Luzon.
		I'm a little bit further to the south than what the storm track is.
		But one thing I don't have up there are the various computer models that show exactly where it's going.
		Now, some of the computer models are showing it swinging to the south.
		Those worry me.
		I think it's going to keep going north.
		Cross fingers.
		First time caller line, you are on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Martin, you're on the air.
unidentified		Oh, hey, Art Bell.
unidentified		Yeah, I've heard you for like 10 years now, almost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So turn your radio off for us, Martin.
unidentified		Yeah, I was wondering about that.
unidentified		EVP, is that correct?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Electronic voice phenomena is called.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I was wondering, now, do you have a clip of the scariest one you've ever heard that just sends chills down your back?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
		There have been so many of those, Martin.
		Over the several years that I've interviewed these folks, there really have been many that just scared the you-know-what out of me.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified		But do you have, like, any, like, you know, clips that, you know, top ones?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Top ones.
unidentified		Yeah, like your.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, we'll give you a website.
		You can go and listen yourself to what you call the top ones on our website, if you wish.
		What we try to present on each new program are the latest ones.
		Some of them are chilling, some of them not.
		What we're trying to do is give you an example of everything that comes through so you can kind of begin to draw your own conclusions about the nature of the other side.
unidentified		Oh, the other side, yes.
		All righty.
		Thank you, Art.
		I appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome, and have a good night.
		So again, those of you who would wish to get on the air, we gave you the numbers.
		Feel free to dial us up and join us.
		Let's go east of the Rockies this time to Lucas, I think in St. Louis.
		Hello, Lucas.
unidentified		Hi, Artie.
		Hi.
		This is Lucas.
		Can you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you just fine.
unidentified		Oh, good, because there's been some technical problems with that typhoon.
		Yes.
		I was wondering what floor you all live on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The 19th floor, Lucas.
unidentified		Goodness gracious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, I'm about 200 feet, almost 200 feet in the air.
unidentified		Wow.
unidentified		Do you all board up the windows like we do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		No, we don't board up windows.
		These are, because this is a typhoon-prone area, these are special windows up at this altitude, of course.
		Even as special as they are, during the last typhoon, as I mentioned, I think, and you may have heard, They flexed inward.
		You could actually put your hand on the window, which was a dumb thing to do.
		And like in a horror movie, you could feel it pushing inward.
unidentified		I wonder why they don't board up windows like they do when the hurricanes are coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, for one thing, they'd have hundreds of windows to board up just in this single building I'm in alone.
unidentified		Yeah, you used to have that cat you talked about.
unidentified		Did you bring that with you to the Philippines?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I brought two of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I brought Abydos and Yeti are both here, and they don't much like typhoons.
unidentified		Yeah, I can imagine they're probably scared right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And one last question.
unidentified		Did you keep your American passport or you a Philippine?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course I kept my American passport.
unidentified		Well, you have to get a visa, don't you, each six months or so?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let me explain that to you.
		No, I do not.
		Normally, the answer to that would be yes.
		But what I did in anticipation of coming to the Philippines, knowing that I was married and I was going to be here for some time, is I joined an organization here known as the PRA.
		And I think that's the Philippine Retirement Authority.
		And so instead of having a visa, it gives you a visa, a permanent visa.
		So it's kind of like I'm an American-P.
		So I remain an American, but dash P for Filipino.
		And I have, I guess it would be the equivalent of a green card for those who are residents in America.
		I think what I have would be equivalent to a green card.
		One of these days, I'll scan it and put it up on the net so you all can see it.
		But it virtually allows me to remain forever, if I wish, in the Philippines.
		It allows me multiple entrants and exits as though I were a citizen, even though, of course, I am not.
		No, of course I remain an American citizen.
		Let's go, let's see, to the wildcard line and say, Sean, in New York, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Art.
unidentified		I wonder if you've heard anything or know any more about the satellite that NASA sent up, the STEREO satellite, to study, that's a dual satellite to study the magnetic and particular effects of the sun when it has the coronal outbursts or whatever?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I wasn't even familiar with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When was it sent up?
unidentified		Last week, about a week ago, 10 days ago, something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it wouldn't even really be operational yet.
unidentified		Well, I'm not quite certain.
		They're not sending it that far out into space.
		It's only some 10 million miles from the Earth.
		And it's a dual satellite system wherein they're going to study coronal outbursts, or whatever the correct word is, I'm not sure, with two satellites simultaneously and get a stereoscopic view of magnetic flux.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's very interesting.
		I was aware of the satellite they had out about 10 million miles that watches the sun.
		So apparently this is going to be a mate for that, and I can understand the advantage of a stereoscopic view of coronal ejections when they occur and the magnetic anomalies on the sun.
		I'm sure it'll tell us a lot.
		That's a very good idea.
		I'll do a little research on it and find out.
unidentified		Thank you very much, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you're very welcome, and take care.
		Let's go, well, let's see, where should we go?
		Let's go to East of the Rockies.
		And Karen, you're on the air in Houston.
unidentified		Hey there, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		All righty.
		I know that in some of my reading in the Edgar Casey material, he had stated way back when that in the future there would be equipment that would be built and developed that would provide us with a back and forth conversation with the other side.
		So a lot of what he says is still coming true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been trying to encourage people.
		A number of years ago, Han, there were experiments done allowing live discussions with the other side.
		It actually has already happened a number of years ago.
		And I've been trying to encourage the plans for the electronics that did this are actually up on the net.
		And so I'm hoping somebody will pick up on it and continue that line of experimentation because I would think live talks with anything on the other side would just be incredibly interesting.
		Are you still there?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		Are you there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		One other thing that he said, too, was that on the other side, there is less free will than what we have here.
		So we are in a special position, so to speak, for whatever reason we're here, growth or whatever.
		So that would be one of my main questions, I think.
		One of the first things I would ask in a back and forth discussion is tell us about the free will situation over there.
		You know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fascinating.
		I would like to know myself, Karen.
		So hopefully somebody will pick up on the whole concept and continue with it.
		My gosh, I'd like to know.
		So very, very interesting from Karen.
		It's kind of a strange night.
		We are experiencing some pretty strange weather over here.
		At the moment, if you look at my webcam photograph, you'll see that we have kind of a haze slash clouds slash fog, kind of a very still, weird atmosphere in Manila right now.
		And it's all ahead of this coming typhoon.
		And, you know, the calm, the proverbial calm before the storm.
		On the first time, caller line, you are on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, is this Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed.
unidentified		This is Ty from the state of Tennessee.
		Hi, Ty.
		Oh, hello.
		I've been supporting Coast to Coast.
		I love you guys for 16 years, and I'm glad to do it.
		But I have noticed recently a very disturbing trend in the direction of the show that Mr. Norrie is taking some weekdays, and it seems to be in a very limbaugh type direction of the direction of Jesus and political matters.
		And to me, that's just not the spirit of coast to coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you say in the direction of Jesus and political matters?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		And that's really disturbing to me.
		And I don't have anything against Jesus.
		He was a really nice guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
unidentified		I mean, who else is going to have a supper for 13 people, and he only had an egg?
		And he paid for all that food?
		That's a nice guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a nice guy.
		Well, listen, it is up to George, the direction into which he takes a show during the week.
		And Coast to Coast has never, you know, this is worth, I guess, a moment or two of conversation, but Coast to Coast has never been, and nor would I want it to be, a static entity.
		In other words, it's constantly changing and constantly evolving.
		And if you don't do that with the program, if you don't constantly change it and constantly evolve it, you're probably going to have people losing interest.
		Now, inevitably, anytime a show takes any kind of a change, people hate change.
		They simply hate change.
		And so they react negatively because you build an audience for a certain genre, and then they react negatively when there's a change.
		But you build an audience for whatever it is that you're doing, or you don't.
		You know, you take your chances.
		Many years ago, when I began Coast to Coast AM, it was a very typical talk show.
		It was politically oriented.
		It was, well, it was kind of like every other talk show you hear on the air.
		And what happened was I simply got bored with it.
		You know, I was doing it six nights a week, five, and or at times six hours a night.
		Now, that's a lot of time, folks.
		And when you find yourself doing politics again, night after night after night after night, it finally hit me that I was bored.
		And so I began to slip toward the paranormal with the program.
		Now, at that time, the producers and the managers and owners of the program freaked out totally.
		I mean, they just went absolutely berserk, giving you a little history of Coast here.
		And I nevertheless went in the direction that I wanted to go.
		And it became, as you can see clearly now, a huge success.
		George now has the weekday program, and he is going to take it in the direction that he wants to take it.
		That is what he should do.
		And so I would hope that there would be nobody that would restrain George from doing what he wants to do.
		The only way you're ever going to be a success in life is to do what you want to do.
		And anything else is going to be just sort of a cheap imitation of something else, and that's not what you want.
		So I would hope whatever, you know, I'm not very familiar with what's being done during the week, but I'm here to tell you right now that George should follow his instincts.
		And the only way he's ever going to be successful is to do exactly that, follow his instincts.
		That's what I did.
		That's how we got where we are.
		From Typhoon-Threatened Manila, I'm Art Bell with EVPs coming up next.
		It is indeed.
		Hi, everybody.
		How you doing?
		We're about to venture into some pretty strange territory, to be sure.
		Barbara Macbeth, normally accompanied by Brendan Cook, are both members of the Ghost Investigators Society, the GIS, if you will.
		The Ghost Investigators Society is a non-profit organization, means they don't make money dedicated to the investigation of ghosts.
		Not only do they conduct investigations, but also instruct, assist, and educate anyone who believes that they may be experiencing ghostly phenomena, or those who are just simply curious.
		In an effort to educate the public about ghosts, the GIS hopes the EVP's electronic voice phenomena presented will help demonstrate that the consciousness, our consciousness, does survive after our body dies, and that these voices may help to give a different perspective about life, death, and ghosts.
		And I would like to add here that over the years, I've investigated an awful lot of things that relate to ghostly phenomena.
		And I think that EVP is probably at the head of the list in things that convince me that this is absolutely as real as a heart attack.
		Now, I don't want you to have one, and some of what you're going to hear tonight is going to be kind of scary stuff.
		So in a moment, Brennan Cook is not here.
		He's down, I understand, with a horrible case of the flu.
		I know about that.
		I'm just getting over my fourth bout with either flu or colds over here.
		But we do have Barbara Macbeth, and so she's going to, as a trooper, and the GIS are all troopers, stick with us for the next three hours of scary stuff.
unidentified		In a moment, EVP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I think we're back.
		We are having additional ISDN difficulties here.
		We lost it, but very quickly got it redialed.
		So I think we're back in business.
		Again, ladies and gentlemen, we are experiencing very shortly here, and parts of Luzon probably are already getting hit with a very, very, very large typhoon with winds of up to 295 kilometers.
		If you want to see it on the website, coast2coastam.com, there's a map.
		You can click on it, make it larger, and see for yourself what is bearing down on us very quickly.
		Well, all right.
		I would like to attempt to welcome Barbara Macbeth of the GIS.
		Barbara, are you there?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I am here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's great to have you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess Brendan is what, down with the flu?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		He called me at about 7 tonight, and he said, I'm sorry, but there is just no way I can do this tonight.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		He did come over here earlier today, and I hope I haven't caught it from him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope not, too.
		I've been battling these viruses over here since my arrival, and I hope that I'm now sort of on the downside of the very last one.
		Anyway, Barbara, let's take a moment before we play anything and sort of let people know what we're doing.
		And by the way, the reference I made earlier to the live talk was the George Meeks stuff.
		I know you know all about that.
		I would recommend to anybody listening tonight that they go to the web and put in George Meeks and read all about it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And that's a website also that they can link to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		The Meeks experiment was incredible.
		It used electronics, and they had an ongoing discussion that'll raise the hair, I guarantee, on the back of your neck.
		It's a little hard to understand because it's an old recording, but oh my God, it's scary stuff.
unidentified		Wouldn't you agree?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, I would not agree with it being scary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's because you're used to hearing from the other side.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and I don't consider the other side scary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know you don't.
		Even when the EVPs we get are scary.
		Now, electronic voice phenomena is what, Barbara, by your definition?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Electronic voice phenomena is a voice that you do not hear at the time being recorded on either a tape recorder, a microcassette recorder, anything that records can record EVP.
		Many times they're very low.
		If you don't have headphones listening to them, sometimes they're so soft and low you would not hear it when you're reviewing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And so that the audience understands, the protocol you use is very stringent.
		If you're using tape, I know that you only use tape that has never been recorded on before, correct?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		It's too easy for the voices to bleed into each other.
		And so we always use new tapes, although now I have graduated to a microcassette recorder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Digital or digital.
		Oh, congratulations.
		You finally made the jump, huh?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, only because I can't find a good microcassette.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know there was a big debate between yourself and Brendan about the advocacy of using digital recording.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it appears as though digital recording works just fine, number one.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It does work, and it's very clear.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's a lot clearer than the tapes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		Yeah, the noise floor is virtually non-existent with digital as compared to tape.
		And so you're always having to sort of dig it out of the tape noise because it is so low.
		But with digital, thank God, we eliminate a lot of the noise.
		And so what we hear is quite a bit clearer.
		And we've been doing this through the years since you began with tape.
		Now, another important thing for the audience to know is that you don't make money doing this, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		It costs us money to do this.
		And sometimes, you know, we drive long distances to go and conduct an investigation, and we're not reimbursed for any of the costs that we incur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anywhere from private residences to cemeteries to prisons to morticians' homes.
		Now, you sort of have always maintained, Barbara, that it's not that important to go to a cemetery or a place of that sort.
		And yet, almost all the places you go are places like that.
		How come?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, we go to locations that have reported haunting or ghost activity.
		And those are the places that we seek out to go and record.
		And you can record any time of the day.
		It can be daylight and get phenomenal voices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Another thing that I'd like to urge the audience to do is try it yourself, whether it's digital or whether it's tape.
		It doesn't matter.
		Give this a try yourself.
		So many people in the audience over the years have taken my challenge up or your challenge and have gone out themselves and I get these emails back.
		Oh my God, I tried it and I got it.
		I really got something.
		So I guess you too would urge people to give it a shot, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and especially if they suspect that there's activity where they live or in their workplace, try it at that location and see if you can get a response.
		Most times they don't respond to direct questions.
		There have been occasions where we have recorded a voice coming back and answering a question that we have asked, but many times they'll just drop in on our conversation when we're talking between ourselves.
		But the whole investigation, we are constantly inviting them to come and talk with us and to be with us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the implication of that would be that you feel that it is a consciousness capable of responding directly to what you say.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And yet a lot of the other ones appear not directed to you, but just sort of snatches of, oh, I don't know, a conversation or a feeling or something somebody says.
		Now, here's where we get to the part where I'm not sure what we're dealing with.
		Are these the voices of people who once lived and are now dead and are spirits on the other side?
		Are they voices of ghosts that are still, for some reason, trapped on this side?
		Or are we hearing really from the other side, from people in heaven or hell or another dimension?
		Or what do you think?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is my own opinion.
		But since we go to locations that do have reported haunting activity or ghost activity that people have experienced and witnessed, I believe that the voices that we record are voices of ghosts.
		And ghosts are the energy consciousness of someone who's lived and has had a body and has died and are still here on this plane with us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have all of these EVPs, Barbara, begun to have they started to give you an insight into the nature of the other side?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I believe that the majority of ghosts that we have come in contact are not happy.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I believe that how you are in life, that your attitude and your mental state does carry on with you after death, and that does not change just because you die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Huh.
		That's really odd.
		All right, let's give everybody a sample of what they're going to be getting tonight.
		This first, I guess the first few we're going to have were done in some kind of private residence.
		Can you tell us about it?
unidentified		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		There were two women that contacted us that were having activity in their home.
		They do practice Wiccan.
		And I do not, and Brendan also, well, the five GIS members believe that this is really not a ghost.
		We believe that it is something that has entered the home from the rituals and practices that these women conduct in their home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you think they've opened some kind of door.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And it was something that was terrifying to them.
		They were scared, very uncomfortable.
		The type of activity that was going on was not the same type of activity that we have investigated in other locations that have ghost activity taking place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Barbara, when you open doors, things walk through, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Just kind of like the vampire thing, you know, when you invite something in, it might stay there longer than what you're wanting it to be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, after this experience, Barbara, were these gals prepared to give up what they were doing?
		Did it go that far with them?
		Were they that scared?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it made them aware of the possibility that they've invited this kind of activity in their home.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that they had really researched what they were practicing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell me about Cut One.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, this first one, you're going...
		She had scratches on her and had been physically attacked, really.
		And I was asking her, you're going to hear me say, and what is transpiring here?
		Is it something that is fearful to you?
		And you will hear her respond, yes.
		And then this voice was recorded, I'll cut you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll cut you.
		All right, let's see what we've got.
		Here we go.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And what is transpiring here?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Is it something that's fearful?
unidentified		Yes.
		Who cares?
		Who cares?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm not sure about I'll cut you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to listen to this again.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's what Brendan hears, is I'll cut you.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I hear, I'll catch you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Either way, and it also appears or sounds like it's a voice of a child.
unidentified		What do you think?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it sounds like a child, but I believe, in fact, the voices that we recorded at that location that night were some children, some adult men, some sounded like an old woman, but I think it was one entity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go again.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And what is transpiring here?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Is it something that's fearful to you?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Is it something that's fearful?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that could easily have been I'll catch you.
		So I'll either catch you or cut you.
		But either way, a moment ago you said these things are not fearful to you.
		Now, I'll catch you or I'll cut you, even more so.
		How can that not be fearful, Barbara?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is fearful if you were having physical harm caused to you, like the scratches that she had, that would be fearful.
		I'm not stupid.
		But as far as ghost activity, just typical ghost activity taking place, I have never heard of anything being physically harmful to people.
		It's usually people's fear that will cause them harm and how they interpret the activity that's taking place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		Well, you and I disagree.
		We absolutely disagree.
		I mean, this scares the hell out of me, and cut two is going to prove that from my point of view.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, like I said, I do not believe that these were ghosts in these ladies'home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think they were?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think that they had called something into their home that was causing the havoc that they were experiencing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think it was what, then?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think it's the type of thing that causes possession, that type of entities that come to people when they're conducting seances or using a Ouija board, which I Have been involved in in my past.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As have I. I don't like Ouija boards.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Most people will have a lot of trouble.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And the thing that irritates me the most about the Ouija board is that it's promoted as a game and it is not a game.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Again, the same two ladies.
		Now, we'll let the audience judge for themselves.
		But this was, what, still part of the conversation in the interview you were having with these ladies?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Brendan and Jenny had gone downstairs and was recording on Brendan's laptop.
		And Brendan asked the question while they were down in the basement because the women were scared of the basement.
		They did not like it down there.
		The feeling down there, they said they would go down to do laundry and go right back up as fast as they could.
		And you're going to hear Brendan say, did you scratch that lady?
		Why would you do that?
		And the response he recorded, it sounds like to cause her pain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To cause her pain.
		All right, we're going to hold that.
		No, no, let's go ahead and do it right now.
		Here we go.
unidentified		Did you scratch that lady?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would you do that?
		You know, clearly that said, or fairly clearly anyway, to cause her pain.
		That is nasty.
		That is scary.
		That is everything that I said that it was, in my opinion.
		Here it is one more time.
		Come on, one more time.
unidentified		Did you scratch that lady?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would you do that?
		Okay.
		There you've got it.
		To cause her pain.
		Now, that goes to motive.
		That goes to all kinds of things.
		I wonder if this is not a ghost.
		I mean, after all, it's a voice just like all the others.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the only reason you classify it differently than you do the others is because, well, you had knowledge that these ladies were into Wicca and perhaps opening doors they ought not open.
		But who's to say that there's any difference at all between what we're hearing right here, which is obviously a negative kind of thing, and whatever you might classify as a ghost?
		I don't get it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is my own belief, just from the research that I've conducted over 50 years.
		I believe that there are different types of entities.
		And although some of the activity that happens in different situations, whether it be ghost or demonic, evil spirit type of things, the results can seem similar.
		And I think people have a tendency to confuse them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		All right.
		Barbara Macbeth from the GIS is with us this night.
		We're about to take a break, and we're going to be hearing these voices all night long.
		Don't forget, coming up this Wednesday, for me Wednesday, Ghost2Ghost AM.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		You are indeed.
		Good morning, everybody, afternoon or evening, whatever the case is, wherever you are.
		We have Barbara Macbeth from the Ghost Investigator Society, and we're playing EVPs for you.
		Now, I know they don't scare Barbara, but they do scare me.
		And reading ahead, I can tell you there's some pretty scary stuff here.
		Don't forget, we're doing a Ghost-to-Ghost AM coming up for Halloween.
		Actually, in America, I think it's going to be Tuesday.
		I know that it'll be Wednesday here in the Philippines as we do it.
		So I'm getting ready for that.
		If you've got a good ghost story, develop it.
		Put a little outline on paper.
		That frequently helps if you've got a really good one so that if you happen to freeze a little bit when you get on the air, that outline will be there to support you in telling your story.
		It's a great way to do it.
		In a moment, we'll get back to Barbara Macbeth and electronic voice phenomena.
		Once again, Barbara Macbeth.
		Barbara, welcome back.
		And I think we're about to leave the residence of the two young ladies toying with the craft and move to a mausoleum or something.
		Is that correct?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		This mausoleum, we've been conducting investigations and research there for several years.
		And the employees have experienced a number of experiences there at this location.
		Plus, people that go to bring flowers to the mausoleum to their loved ones have also experienced ghost phenomena inside this place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's got to be creepy going to a mausoleum anyway.
		I guess not for you.
		You've hardened yourself to the point where these places just don't affect you.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can remember the first time I went into this location, it was kind of overwhelming just because of the amount of bodies that are located inside and people's mementos to their loved ones.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's very sad in there to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sad.
		Okay.
		All right.
		Let's deal with the first one from the mausoleum.
		What have we got here?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		On this one, my husband and GIS member Roger had just Stated, you won't hear this on this clip, but he had just stated, Don't let our lights bother you, they won't hurt you, referring to the flash of the cameras and the infrared and the flashlights because we wander around in there in the dark.
		And he recorded this voice that responded right after he had said that, our death gate.
		And you'll notice in this clip, it echoes.
		This voice actually echoes in the mausoleum.
		Our voices echo in the mausoleum just because of all the marble, the floor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And these voices do as well.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think that that's a really interesting aspect of this voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here it comes.
unidentified		All that keeps.
		All that keeps.
		All that keeps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, isn't that interesting?
		I can definitely hear our death, but I'm not sure about gate.
		And it also sounds like it's being whispered.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but it was loud, though, also.
		I mean, it does sound whispery, but it was not a whispery voice.
		It was just as loud as ours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's try it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here it is again, folks.
unidentified		All that keep.
		All that keep.
		All that keep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't like that, Barbara.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's one of my favorite ones, just because...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's just something about the I don't even know what words to use, but there's something about the way it sounds that I don't like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's scary.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, we really don't mean to scare people.
		We are merely presenting what we have recorded.
		And I think that is not our intent to scare.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's the effect, though.
		And I think that what you're doing is important work.
		I think, though, that I have a very different view of it than you do.
		For one thing, if that's the other side, if these indeed are the voices of the dead, and I can't imagine they're anything else, Barbara, then I'm not so wild about the other side.
		I mean, it just is not that appealing, to be honest with you.
		When I think of heaven, I think of the traditional clouds and angels.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's almost a childlike view, though, art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Intense joy, oneness with the universe, if you want to get a little more sophisticated with it, but not what we're hearing here.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I believe that the things that you're hearing, like these voices, to me, they're almost like they don't realize they're dead or they have not finished business that needed to be done in their life before the death took place.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But some of them are very kind and sweet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some of them, but not too many of them.
		I would have to guess.
		Now, maybe you bring the scarier ones to me or the darker ones because you know that I kind of like those.
		Or is what we've got here just typical of what you get?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		These are typical of what we get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, that makes the other side not sound quite so appealing as far as I'm concerned.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think a lot of the times it's, you know, I've analyzed this in my head a dozen different ways.
		I think a lot of times, and you can just look at the people that you pass by and know in your daily life, a lot of people do not have a firm theological belief to set them firm where they feel confident in who they are, what they are, what they stand for.
		And I think that has a lot to do with how a person's mental attitude is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, for the sake of the audience, you're in, I think you're in Utah, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We are in Utah, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're in Utah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And I think a lot of people don't have something stable in their lives to give a firm foundation to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Once again, let's move on.
		We're still in the mausoleum, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's correct.
		This one is one of my favorites.
		You're going to hear Brendan, he was going down the stairs to the basement in the mausoleum.
		He was by himself.
		You're going to hear him fall, and his tape recorder goes flying out of his hands.
		And this woman that he recorded, she is so, you can hear the concern in her voice, very, very strong, her concern.
		And she asks, are you okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
unidentified		Damn it.
unidentified		Oh, no, what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		Oh, my God.
		That one is really something.
		So here we have Brendan clearly not just falling, but falling down some stairs in a mausoleum.
		You can hear him say, damn it.
		And that's the least of what I would have said.
		And then you can so clearly hear this woman's voice asking if he's okay.
		One more time.
unidentified		Damn it.
		One more time.
		One more time.
		One more time.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Man.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I love that one.
		Yes.
		I mean, she, you know, obviously she was close to the microphone where it landed because she was so loud.
		Brendan didn't hear that at the time.
		But you can really hear her concern come through her question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happens, folks, is they have hours of recording at any given location, and then they, I guess, take the recorders back to a location where all the members, or as many as you can get, of the GIS, sit down and listen to hours of these, looking for these voices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that about right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		And if you're on an investigation for two or three hours, you have at least two or three hours of audio to review.
		Plus, if there's any video, you have another two or three hours.
		It's very time-consuming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to tell the audience again, you doubt this, you think this isn't real?
		Take a recorder, go try it yourself.
		We've had hundreds, thousands of people do that over the years, and they get recordings more times than not.
		Now, it doesn't mean you're going to get one every time, or you may get many, but there's a very good chance that if you want to try, if you have the guts to go try this yourself, you're going to get something, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		And if you don't get anything the first time you try it, don't be discouraged because we go to locations where we have recorded ghost activity, ghost voices, and we can go back the very same night and not get a thing.
		And I don't know what the conditions are.
		We have never been able to correlate it with full moon, weather, time of day.
		So I don't know what the conditions are.
		But if you know of a location that does have reported haunting activity, take a recorder to that location and give it a try and see what you get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, one more time.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I like that one too.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's my very favorite.
unidentified		Maybe because it's so clear.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Maybe so.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I just love how you can hear her concern in her voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		This is something that you and I have talked about over the years so many times, but we'll bring it up again.
		More than not, more times than not, for some reason these appear to be the voices of children.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we've recorded many children.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Disproportionately children.
		Now, do you have, what's your best theory about why that would be?
		Because after all, many more, I mean, by percentage, certainly more older people pass on than younger.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		I'm hoping, and I cannot stress hoping enough, that it might be possibly the state of mind of that person, of that ghost.
		A lot of times, some of our happiest times are in childhood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That certainly is true.
		All right.
		We have one more from the mausoleum.
		Then we will leave the mausoleum and go to another happy little cemetery.
		All right.
		So one more from the mausoleum.
		What is this one we're about to hear?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This one, we had been on this investigation in the mausoleum, and we had been in there for a couple of hours, so we decided to go outside and take a break.
		And we left our equipment running inside.
		And you're going to hear us walking out.
		And as I'm leaving, I say, we invite anyone to speak with us.
		We invite you to tell us your name and talk with us.
		I hope you'll introduce yourself.
		I'm Barbara.
		And after the door closes, you will hear a woman laughing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A woman laughing?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think she was laughing at what I said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		You certainly can hear it.
		It's hard to hear.
		It's pretty far down in the noise, but listen very carefully, folks, and you can hear, again, to me, what sounds like perhaps a child's voice or a young voice because it's very high-pitched.
unidentified		What was it?
		We invited him to speak to us.
		And we wanted to tell your name and talk to us and introduce yourself.
		I'm not going to.
		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that really, again, sounds like a young voice to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's simply because the pitch is so high, Barbara.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's either a woman or a young woman or a child.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It sounds female to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		So, again, it's your view that as we are in this life, we are on that side.
		Or at least what and again, let's delineate, if we can, a little bit.
		Is it your view that what we're hearing are people that have not yet moved on to their ultimate destination?
		In other words, to what we would consider to be heaven or I don't know, Whatever, but they're still here on Earth.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I believe that.
		I don't believe everybody stays as a ghost, but I think the ones that are around that people experience are still in this realm.
		They're the ones that can make sounds appear when there's no logical explanation for footstep sounds going down a hallway, doors opening and closing by themselves, knocking a picture frame over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, as you well know, they made a movie fairly recently about all of this called White Noise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was your reaction to that movie, Barbara?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was supposed to be about EVP, and it really wasn't.
		And how they portrayed the entities in there, if they were supposed to be ghosts, I didn't like it.
		I did not like that movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I kind of had the same reaction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, you know, they were trying to produce a scary movie, and they certainly did that, but you didn't, I guess you felt it wasn't fair to EVP, yeah?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It was not fair to EVP.
		They were using white noise off of a television, I believe, most of the time.
		And that is not EVP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not to say that EVP cannot appear as part of white noise, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, that was kind of the Meeks approach to it, to give the entity something to actually modulate.
unidentified		Right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But I can't remember the term of it now.
		If Brendan was here, he could tell you.
		But he's more the tech guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		So now we leave the mausoleum and we're going to a cemetery.
		Where is this cemetery?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This is an old pioneer cemetery north of our location.
		It's up in northern Utah.
		I actually had a sheriff tell me about this location, things that have been witnessed there by the townspeople, and he was the one that told me about this.
		In fact, there's been occasions when we've been in this cemetery where it's a very small town.
		We've had the whole sheriff department, fire department, forest ranger guys.
		I think the whole town has been in there some nights with us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I think we've got time to squeeze the first one in from the cemetery.
		So here you are in the cemetery, and what are we about to hear?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, this was in the middle of winter, and when we go to cemeteries, we take our lawn chairs and blankets and sit there.
		And me and Ginny were wrapped up sitting on our lawn chairs with a wool blanket around us, trying to keep warm.
		And you're going to hear Ginny ask me, she says, did you just pull down the blanket?
		And I responded, no.
		And you're going to hear a child's voice say, I did.
		And then Ginny said, did you feel like a tug?
		And I said, no.
		I never did feel anything with the blanket.
		But this was probably about 1, 1.30 in the morning when we recorded this one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A GIS style picnic, 1.30 in the morning in the middle of the cemetery.
		Okay, here we go.
		Listen carefully.
unidentified		Did you just pull in the blanket?
		No.
		I did.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Did you feel like a tug?
unidentified		I did.
unidentified		I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was the I did part that was the voice from the other side, right?
		And that was clearly a child's voice.
		All right.
		After the break, we'll play that one again for you.
		Again, I'm chilled by the fact that there are so many child's voices involved in all of this.
		We're listening to the Ghost Investigator Society latest.
		By the way, you can get historical GIS recordings on their website.
unidentified		We'll tell you all about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is a very good day to you all from here in Manila.
		To the north of us, a storm is screaming toward Luzon.
		And if you go to the coasttocoastam.com website, you can see its storm track and the intensity.
		It's intensifying rapidly.
		Here in Manila, we've got kind of a strange fog, haze, something ahead of the storm.
		As I mentioned earlier, kind of the still, the quiet before the storm, if you will.
		My guest is Barbara Macbeth from the GIS.
		That's the Ghost Investigators Society.
		They do recordings of, if you will, ghosts, something from the other side.
		We'll get back to it if you'll just stay right there.
		Very interesting.
		Dwayne, no, not Dwayne, excuse me, Dennis in Detroit, Michigan.
		Now, 99.9% of the Fast Blasts I'm getting are commenting on what's being said by these entities and or the GIS or whatever.
		But Dennis in Detroit is angry, and what he says is pure BS.
		Now, I'll tell you something.
		A lot of times when people are frightened, they get angry.
		And their reaction to fright, their reaction to being scared, is to simply get angry.
		It's a defense mechanism.
		It happens many times when we're discussing.
		I've noticed that.
		It's an interesting psychology.
		When we're discussing or hearing very frightening things on the radio, some reactions are like that.
		They're just anger.
		And that is, I believe, some kind of defense mechanism.
		At any rate, I'm going to now play number six again.
		We didn't get an opportunity to repeat it, so here it is.
unidentified		Did you just pull in the blanket?
		No.
		I did.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Did you feel like a tug?
unidentified		I said...
unidentified		I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Clearly, a child's voice saying, I did.
		In other words, that was a direct response to the question Jenny was asking.
		Now, you didn't find that until hours or days later, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		Yeah.
		And I thought it was interesting.
		We were covered with the same blanket.
		She felt the pull on the blanket where I did not feel it at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that would imply that these entities, whatever in the world they are, are able to do physical things like pull on a blanket.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		They can defy a person's logic.
		They are able to do the impossible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're not a young lady, are you?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I just turned 60 this year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Congratulations.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		I'm quite excited about it.
		I know a lot of people in my lifetime that didn't make it to this age.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
		I'm 61.
		I know the feeling when you begin seeing your friends go.
		Now, let's quickly move on to number seven because we're still here in the cemetery, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and it's the same cemetery.
		This was on a different occasion, different night.
		We had someone that was not a member of the GIS with us, and Jenny and this person had walked off down one of the roads, and Roger, my husband, had experienced something where he felt like a hand had grabbed him.
		He said he could feel the long fingers on his arm.
		And Jenny, you'll hear her telling this girl that was with us that this over here is where Roger got grabbed.
		And she recorded, it sounds like a young woman's voice say, help me find my dad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here it comes.
unidentified		This is for over here.
unidentified		Roger got grabbed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
unidentified		What's this?
		What do you have?
		What's this?
		What do you have?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now, Barbara, that's sad.
		I mean, that's sad.
		That's obviously a child, and that's a sad child.
		You can hear the, if you listen to the intonation of the voice, it's obviously very sad.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Some of the recordings that we get are very depressing, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
		And that's why I don't understand how you can come up with the positive attitude you do about all of this.
		All right, here's number seven again.
		Listen to the intonation of the child's voice.
unidentified		This is over here.
		Hey, Dad, you're going to grab.
		No, it's this.
		It's over here, you have.
		No, it's this.
		It's over here, you have.
		No, it's this.
		It's over here, you have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you stay positive in the face of things like that?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's all on my philosophy about the whole thing.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		These kind of voices, though, that sound so sad and sound so young, they have an effect on me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just sort of suppress it then in order to in order to keep your positive attitude.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
		I probably do.
		There's been occasions on some voices, I mean, it actually makes me tear up.
		I have a lot of compassion for whatever entities we are dealing with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have a website, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's ghostpics.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's G-H-O-S-T-P-I-X?
		Yes.com.
		And there people can hear many, many, many of these, many of them done on previous programs and so forth, correct?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		But I wanted to mention on these two that we played from the cemetery, just to talk about the difference in quality, both of those were recorded on microcassette recorders, and you can hear the noise in it so loud.
		And the digital ones are so much clearer, it's just unbelievable in the quality and the difference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no question about it.
		Now, I gave you the reaction of a guy from Detroit.
		He was angry.
		All he said was pure BS, and he spelled it out all the way.
		I just obviously won't repeat it here.
		You get a lot of email, Barbara.
		How many of them respond with anger?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Maybe 2%.
		Most are very positive.
		And it's all right for people to be angry.
		I understand people's fear about this subject.
		I've got relatives.
		They won't even listen to the show because it scares them.
		So I understand people's fear about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a natural human reaction.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's very natural, and that's okay.
		You know, I'm not pushing nothing.
		I don't care if they believe it or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's true.
		You're not pushing anything.
		You don't sell anything.
		You haven't written.
		The temptation to write a book, to make some income from this, at times must be very great.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, that wouldn't be my purpose so much as to make an income from it, although I wouldn't mind that aspect.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But I do, I hope, to be able to write a book just about the experiences that we've encountered and be able to let people know of other people's experiences that aren't seeking out this type of thing that just happens spontaneously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, although if you write a book, Barbara, there's going to be a lot of criticism.
		Then people will say, well, they're just doing this and they made it up to make money.
		Right.
		But I really do think after all the years you've been doing this, at some point down the line, you really ought to write a book.
		This should be chronicled.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		that's the purpose just because of the experiences that just the GIS alone have experienced.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Hopefully, it would be beneficial to someone further down the road when, you know, I'm ten toes up, you know.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We're going to leave the cemetery and on to another cheery little location.
		This one said to be Deer Lodge Prison.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and the prisons are my favorite places to investigate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, just because of how large they are, we can really disperse from each other where you know that you are absolutely by yourself.
		When we go to locations like that, we always have walkie-talkies with us so that we can keep in touch with each other.
		But just the immense location, you know, that we can have access to and be by yourself.
		And it's just incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What have we got here?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		On this one, you're going to hear Barry say, did the guards kill you or did you kill yourself?
		He was down in a place, a location that the prison called Siberia.
		It was solitary confinement.
		But the response that Barry recorded is, it sounds like I almost had the key.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
unidentified		Here we go.
unidentified		Did the guards kill you?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Or did you kill yourself?
unidentified		And say the key.
		And save the key.
		And say the key.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's extremely clear.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Very clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear that very clearly, and it is.
		I almost had the key, and that would be something you would imagine a prisoner would think about.
		Listen one more time, folks.
unidentified		Did the guards kill you?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Or did you kill yourself?
unidentified		Browns overcued.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ho, ho, ho, ho.
		I guess you would take it the same way.
		I mean, obviously, something a prisoner would give his life for, possibly, getting the key, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A disproportionate number of these tonight, it seems like to me, have been responsive.
		In other words, responsive directly to either an incident or something somebody has said.
		And that's kind of unusual, isn't it?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is.
		I think that we do get responses more often than what we realize on what we're either discussing amongst ourselves or questions.
		I do think, though, the vast majority of them are not responding to a direct question that we record.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I have, over the years, tried to talk you into following up on the Meeks experiment.
		That is to say, developing some way to have a real-time discourse, two-way discourse with somebody on the other side.
		And for a while, you got kind of close to it.
		You had a special recorder that somebody had built for you that would allow you to hear these things as they occurred.
		What happened with that, Barbara?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Really, absolutely nothing.
		It's very difficult.
		I think it would take a lot of training to be able to listen to a recorder and you're there with people talking and trying to keep up with that, being able to hear something coming through at that time.
		Although Brendan, the one that was made for us, Brendan did happen to have a recording in our house where me and Roger live.
		He thought that, well, we did.
		We recorded a voice responding to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I sure would like to see somebody pick up on that technology and run with it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Me too.
		You know, it's going to take somebody a lot more technically savvy than me.
		I am really not technical at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but the schematics, all the information on how to do it is on.
		If you just look up George Meeks on the web, you'll find it.
		All right, on to number nine.
		We're still in a prison, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		We were talking about one of the guards that had worked at this prison had taken us during the day through the prison and told, you know, from a guard's point of view, things that the guards did to the prisoners.
		And this was just a little later when we were talking about the tour that he had given us.
		And Jenny, you'll hear her say, he probably did what they deserved.
		He probably gave them what they deserved.
		And she recorded this voice say, we sat back to back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's odd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
unidentified		He probably did what they deserved.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, my name is Eric.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any idea what that might mean, Barbara?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		The guard had told us when they would take prisoners from the cells for punishment or something, hose them off, they'd handcuff them and make them sit on the floor handcuffed to each other back to back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right then, here it is again.
unidentified		He probably did what they deserved.
		Thank you, what they deserve.
		They deserve that, they deserve that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, there you have it.
		Now, that obviously then would be the response of somebody who had been in prison there.
		And again, this would mean that when you die, you remain in roughly the location in which you died.
		Is that right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, I think some ghosts do, but there have been documented cases of someone had died at a different location but is haunting another location.
		I don't think all ghosts haunt the location they die in.
		I think these particular ghosts that are at this prison, they get so institutionalized, that's all they know.
		And I can see where they would probably be there because that's where they died and that's where they lived.
		That's all they knew.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Barbara, even in real-time life here, prisoners become so accustomed to prison that some of them, when they get out, go out and commit a crime just so they can get thrown back in prison, which is the only place they know.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		You know, to go out, if somebody's been confined for any length of time for illness or imprisonment or whatever, it's very scary when you go out there in the world.
		And in fact, at the Rollins penitentiary that we investigated, there was a prisoner when he was released.
		He had been in prison for 40 years.
		He was released.
		He ate lunch out there.
		They'd given him a lunch to take with him when he left.
		And he sat out on the lawn of the prison and ate his lunch and went back in and asked if he could stay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they allowed him to stay?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		They did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
		All right.
		We're going to leave the prison and move to yet another cheery little location, this time a mortician's home.
		Is that correct?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		This gentleman, him and his wife lived in a beautiful new home.
		They were the first people to live in this home, but they were experiencing seeing a little boy in their house.
		And we really had some fantastic experiences in this mortician's home.
		And some of them really just kind of border on incredible.
		But they were very upset about it.
		And he kind of feels, too, like there was something that followed him home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you say incredible experiences, like what?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		He called me one afternoon, and he says they could smell sulfur in the house.
		He had gone to a priest and got some holy water and had been sprinkling it all around the house quite angrily.
		He was swearing at them, telling them to get out.
		He said that probably wasn't a good idea doing that with the holy water.
		And all of a sudden, a sulfur smell permeated the house.
		They had to leave the house because it was so strong.
		And he called on his cell phone and asked if we could come over there as quick as possible.
		So me and Roger headed right over.
		And they had been out of the house for probably, it took us 15 minutes to get there.
		They had the door open.
		They didn't even bother closing the door.
		But when me and Roger walked in, you could still smell it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I can't even imagine this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, even being a mortician used to dealing with the dead, to have this begin to happen in your home, I would think that this mortician and at least his wife and family, when this stuff would begin to happen, would want to get the hell out of there.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he was upset.
		I think he was mostly upset because it was scaring his wife so badly.
		There you go.
		He was used to that business.
		He had been born and raised in it.
		That was what his father did and his grandfather did.
		So that was something that he was used to as far as dealing with the dead.
		His wife, however, she was a new bride to him, and she was not used to this type of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		All right.
		From Manila in the Philippines on Mart Bell.
		We'll be right back.
		Here, indeed, I am, and we're about to go to a mortician's home, and we'll hear the EVPs gathered there.
		We're also here in the Philippines on Luzon, waiting for a big, scary monster of a storm.
		And if you go to the coast2coasta.com website right at the very top, you can click on the latest tracking information for that storm.
		In a moment, more EVPs.
		The End By the way, I don't know how many of you, I'm sure many of you have relatives and friends here in the Philippines.
		This storm is going to cut through just about above the middle of the island of Luzon.
		I think that it's not going to be all that bad.
		I hope it's not going to be all that bad in the Manila area.
		We're quite a distance away.
		Knock on pressed wood.
		Welcome back, Barbara.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So here we are in this mortician's home.
		And what do we get here?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		On this occasion, the GIS kind of spread out through the house, and me and Brendan proceeded to go down in the basement of the home.
		And you're going to hear me say, can you tell me who you are?
		My name is Barbara, And this is Brendan.
		And then what's interesting about this, we recorded a child that says, I'm three, and then Brendan, you'll hear him say, How old are you?
		Now, I don't know if this was coincidental that the child just said, I'm three, or if it knew that Brendan was going to ask how old he was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which would indicate something about time, wouldn't it?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's listen.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Can you tell me who you are?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		My name is Barbara, and this is Brendan.
unidentified		How old are you?
		Get off.
		Leave.
		Get off.
		Leave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that is strange.
		And again, folks, listen to the way it comes down.
		The answer is given before the question.
		Listen carefully.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Can you tell me who you are?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		My name is Barbara, and this is Brendan.
unidentified		How old are you?
		Sit off.
		Sigh.
		sigh
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So many children.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you know, there's something interesting.
		There was a person that emailed us and said maybe the reason why we record so many children is because you stop and think about how many children are neglected, kidnapped, and murdered.
		It could possibly be children that have had that situation take place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it could be.
		It could be, but I don't know.
		Of all, you know, Barbara, of all the people that you would not imagine to be trapped in some unsavory situation, meaning not going on to whatever is next, this eternal joy in heaven or whatever it is, I mean, the children should be well on their way immediately, not stuck.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I believe that with you fullheartedly.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I do not understand why we record so many children's voices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, you get what you get, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's very disturbing.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It is, and we never allow children with us.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		If people have contacted us to do an investigation in their residence and they have children, if they are not able to get the children out of the house to grandma's or some friends or something, we won't do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then you don't do it.
		Yeah.
		Listen, you obviously, since you have to pony up the money to go to these locations yourself, you can't go traipsing around the country.
		Do you get a lot of requests from across the country, if not across the world, to be investigating?
		And then what do you do?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, when we plan a trip to go at any distance, I mean, it's like a year-long planning, saving.
		I would love to be able to conduct investigations for every request we've had.
		But, you know, every one of us have a full-time job to put food on the table and a roof over the head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And there's only so much time in the day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fully understood.
		All right.
		On to number 11, still in the mortician's home.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This is one of the incredible experiences that one of the members had.
		It was Brendan.
		He visually saw this child.
		He had walked into their living room area, their family room, and there was a large mirror hanging on the far wall, and it's a beautiful mirror.
		And he's standing there looking at it, and he says, is anyone here?
		And right after he asks that, he sees this child running behind him across the kitchen.
		Where he would have been running to would be into some cupboards, some kitchen cupboards and counter.
		And the child says, it sounds like he says, I'm Gabe.
		Some people hear, I'm Game, but I believe it says, I'm Gabe.
		And then Brendan, seeing this child in the reflection of the mirror, says, no way.
		And then you hear this child laugh.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
unidentified		anyone here No way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		No way.
unidentified		No way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		That is so clear.
		So clear.
		So obviously a child.
		We will play this one more time.
		Listen very carefully.
unidentified		Is anyone here?
unidentified		no way No way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No way when he sees the child.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		No way.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And that bothered Brendan.
		He said he didn't tell us about this until we came back to our house later that night.
		And he said the way the head of this child was positioned, it almost looked like the child had a broken neck.
		The way the head was turned looking at him, he still doesn't like to talk about it.
		It's something that he has not been able to resolve in his head that he actually visually saw this child.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That I perfectly understand.
		I'm not able to resolve a whole lot of this.
		I just, you've obviously, psychologically, you've been able to sort of pigeonhole all of this and, I don't know, come to grips with it and not be scared by it, but I just couldn't do that, Barbara.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think you'd have a different perspective if you were able to go out with us at one time.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Because at the time that it is happening, most of the time you really don't realize things are going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, sure.
		I understand that, but that's not something I'd be inclined to do.
		Anyway, let's move on.
		This is number 12.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		On this clip, you're going to hear the wife of the mortician.
		We had to ask them if they wanted to ask any questions to feel free to.
		And you're going to hear the wife of the mortician say, what's your mom and dad's name?
		And it sounds like the child responds, Oliver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see what we hear.
unidentified		Thank you.
		What's your mom and dad do?
		Call us a baby.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, that's what I get out of it too, is Oliver.
		Now, we always wonder whether we're hearing what you tell us we should be hearing or, you know, I do get people suggesting other things have been said, but it really does sound like Oliver.
		Let's see.
unidentified		What's your mom and dad do?
		Call us a person.
		Call us a person.
		Call us a person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's clearly Oliver, I think.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's what it sounds like to us also.
		And it's okay that people hear other things.
		The whole point of EVP is that there is a voice there that should not be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now it's something like this.
		You've got a name.
		You've got a name, and you've got a mortician who, I mean, he could go back in his records and look for an Oliver, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And there are Oliver, the name Oliver on headstones out in the cemetery and in the mausoleum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so you do go back and investigate that kind of thing when you've got something like a name?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, it would be hard to say if this is the child that belongs to any of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gosh.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's so, I mean, it's just speculative on this whole thing.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's why I'm very leery of people who classify themselves as experts in this because there are none.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're as close to an expert, I think, as anybody could find.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've been doing this for more years than I know of anybody else who's been doing it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's always been a subject that's just fascinated me.
		I can't really get enough of it.
		It's just fascinating to me.
		It's like communicating with a different life form.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, when did you begin all this?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, my grandparents were spiritualists, and I was raised in a very active home that had a lot of activity all the time.
		It's something that I continued conducting seances in growing up.
		And so I was kind of born into this type of thing, but the subject has always just fascinated me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess I meant when did you begin with EVP?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, probably in the last 10 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Last 10 years.
		All right.
		All right.
		Still in the mortician's home.
		We've got number 13 coming up.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		On this one, you're going to hear the mortician going on RQ of, you know, if there's a question you want to ask, he picked up one of his little son's toys and said, here, buddy, and set it on the floor.
		And we recorded this child saying, I see good, good.
		But what I hear is, I see, okay, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Either way.
		All right.
		Here it is.
unidentified		Bye buddy.
		That's me.
		Okay.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		oh i hear good Oh, that's scary as hell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So again, so that people understand what they're hearing, this is the mortician, if I heard correctly, taking a toy and putting it on the floor.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then the child's response is, I see, gosh, that does sound like good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you hear what?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I hear K, okay.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You know, like it's saying, okay, but K, K. That's not what I hear at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Hey, buddy.
		Let's see.
		Okay.
		Okay.
		Let's see.
		Okay.
		Okay.
		Bye.
		This is a safety.
		Okay.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that one's freaky.
		And to me, it's good.
		Clearly, it's good.
		The child is saying.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Most people hear the good, good, but I hear okay, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I tried to hear okay, and I clearly heard good.
		That's amazing.
		Just amazing.
		I'm at a loss to understand not I'm just not understanding how this cannot be freaking you out.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It just doesn't.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't, it's nothing that I fear or I have never been rattled by anything that I've come in contact with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But that doesn't mean, you know, I might be so thick-headed that, You know, that might be the reason why.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Barbara, maybe it's your own protective mechanism, you know?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Maybe so.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm open to possibilities, but I do not fear this, and it's just something that I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think personally, that's one.
		That's just my opinion.
		I think it's your own protective mechanism because if you didn't think as you think about these, then I don't think you'd be able to continue to do it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's possible.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But I've always had this outlook, and I feel like I am stronger than anything I'll come up against.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you had any members, previous members of the GIS, who have just become, I don't know what the word is, so freaked out they just gave it up?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I've known people that have been like that, yes.
		And, you know, and that's I can't imagine doing this and being fearful of it.
		If I was afraid of it, I would not do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm with you there.
		And that's just my opinion.
		I think you've built this protective mechanism in the way you think about all this that does allow you to continue to do it, which we're going to do right now with number 14.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		This was located.
		It's called the Exchange Building.
		It's been numerous things over the years.
		It sat for at least 20 years vacant, and then the recent owner of this location has allowed us to go in.
		It was a mental hospital at one time.
		It originally was built for stock exchange.
		There was a bank inside offices that had a cafe down in the basement.
		But there's a very oppressive feeling in this building.
		It just makes you wonder what has taken place through the years at this point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you say at one time it was a metal hospital.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that most of these EVPs that came from this hospital, previous hospital or exchange, are from the metal hospital part of it?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's strictly a guess.
		I could not tell you, honestly, if that's the case.
		I don't know.
		But there's a lot of history to this building, and it's been many things over the years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number 14 is what?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Brendan, you'll hear him.
		He dropped his recorder as he's walking in, and he says, oh, that can't be good.
		And this woman, you can kind of hear the disgust in her voice, and she says, he broke my neck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Oh, I can't do this.
		Oh, boy.
		Oh, boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is chillingly clear.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Very clear.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And on these, you're going to, I want you to be aware that on these last clips from the Exchange building, we were using a condenser microphone and a laptop to record.
unidentified		Okay.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		So the clarity is very, very good, and it picks up very good, you know, almost too good.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It picks up every little sound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And here it is again.
unidentified		Oh, I can't do this.
		Keep talking about it.
		Keep talking about it.
		Keep talking about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hmm, that can't be good.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		She sounds very put out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		she sounds very put out indeed.
		Um, these are, these, The ones we're doing tonight are by far, I would say, the clearest that we've ever aired.
		Do you agree with that?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I believe so.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we tried to pick out some good ones for the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you sure did.
		This is one situation.
		Normally, I will let the board ops back in California handle this for me.
		But because of the timing involved in what we're doing here, they actually sent me the CD.
		So I'm actually in control of it here.
		This is extremely interesting.
		I think we can get one more in.
		No, we can't.
		Before the top of the hour.
		No, we can't.
		So anyway, an exchange building, a mental hospital, and some pretty rough stuff coming up.
		Barbara, are you going to continue doing this?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, whether we're as GIS or just Barbara and Roger by themselves, I will continue doing this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Barbara, stand by, and we'll catch you on the flip side of this hourly break.
		Barbara is a member of the GIS.
		That's the Ghost Investigators Society.
		And what you're hearing tonight are voices from the other side.
		We are going to begin taking calls shortly, so if you want to line up and you have a question for Barbara about what you've been hearing tonight or about EVP, we're going to be all ears.
		We've got a few more EVPs to get under our belt before we do that, but we'll try and clear those up quickly.
		Don't forget, folks, Tuesday, Tuesday night, I'll be here live, storm, typhoon permitting, with our annual Ghost to Ghost program.
		That's not a trifling matter.
		And so I'm asking you now to begin sort of gathering your stories together and kind of putting together how you're going to tell them and that sort of thing.
		We're going to be screening carefully because we want nothing but the best, the scariest, perhaps entity attacks, that sort of thing.
		That's what we're going to be looking for.
		After all, it is Halloween.
		Barbara Macbeth will be right back.
		The End Once again, we're in a Mental hospital exchange, if you will, at one point, but also at one point a mental hospital.
		My guest is Barbara Macbeth, and we're playing electronic voice phenomena, or voices from the other side, if you will.
		And if you want to get angry at it and say it's BS and just not listen, that's your choice.
		But I have become convinced over the years, and particularly with the group that we're talking with right now, that what you're hearing is a real thing.
		What you want to believe it is or isn't is up to you.
		But it's absolutely the real thing.
		Barbara?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for saying that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's just simply because I believe it.
		It's that simple.
		We should move quickly.
		We have a few to go here and some more rough ones from what I can see.
		Number 15.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Okay, on this one, we had just put the laptop in a room and had left the condenser mic and had left the building.
		And so when Brendan came across this, he was looking at a visual screen on the computer going back over for voices.
		And this thing had a spike in it.
		So there was nothing said before this clip.
		It was quiet.
		And also, this voice is not looped like the other ones that we've previously listened to.
		It's a little child, and we're not sure it either says, he cut my face or he touched my face.
		But he goes on and on, and you can hear the stress in his voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I hear it all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is that noise, that humming noise that's with this one?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I'm really not sure what it is, Art.
		We did hear that.
		It is there, but I don't know what that is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Must have been something, some machine or something that was causing a vibration.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, here it is again, folks.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's absolutely disturbing.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that is.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Every voice that we recorded in this place is disturbing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, on to number 16.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		All right, on this one, we recorded a voice that says, I will kill you, bastards.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And then you're going to hear Brendan come into the room and say, okay, I will go see how much time is on the laptop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Okay, I'm going to see 100 cents on the left.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't see how that fits in even to your little protective mechanism, Barbara.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want to explain that?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've recorded several things that sound threatening.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		There's no denying that, but we've never had any harm come to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would certainly put this in the threatening category.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here it is again.
unidentified		Okay, I'll go see how much time is on the laptop.
		Actually, faster.
		Actually, faster.
		Hmm.
		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, number 17.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		On this one, we had brought a friend of ours along with us named Lee, and Brendan thought Lee was right with him, and you're going to hear Brendan say, hey, Lee, and then he discovers Lee isn't with him, and he says Lee's name again.
		And we recorded this child that says, I'm hungry.
		And we do bring food and drinks with us, so maybe he was looking at what we'd brought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, on Halloween, Barbara, the Filipino people take food to their dead relatives.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and we bring food offerings also when we go to locations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what does food have to do with a spirit that no longer has a body?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here it comes, number 17.
unidentified		Hey, Lee?
		Lee?
		Lee?
		I love you.
		I love you.
		I love you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's clear as can be.
		I'm hungry, or something hungry.
		What's a spirit doing hungry?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think that that's something that is in memory that it enjoyed.
		You don't stop your cravings and things just because you're dead.
		You still have the mental wants of things that you did in life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they damn well better sell cigarettes up there then.
		Very funny.
		Number 18.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Okay, on this one, you're going to hear Brendan say, okay, this is our second recording from the building.
		We are now getting ready to leave.
		And this voice comes in and says, it's dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Okay, this is our second recording from the build.
		are now getting ready to leave.
		He's dead.
		He's dead.
		He's dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's dead.
		I think it's saying it's dead.
		One more time.
unidentified		Okay, this is our second recording from here we are now getting ready to leave.
		It is off.
		Hang on.
		It is off.
		It is off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Transcription by CastingWords I wouldn't want to be in an 18-wheeler just flying across somewhere in the middle of the country in the middle of the night listening to this.
unidentified		God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's dead.
		I guess it said it's dead.
		I hear he's dead, but either way, something's dead.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Dead, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number 19.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		On this one, you'll hear Brendan say, hello, is anyone here?
		And I believe this is a child responding, and it says, it's cold.
		It's cold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Hello, is anyone here?
		Hello, is anyone here?
		Oh, brother.
		Oh, brother.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That one really bothers me.
		We once had one, I remember that said it's dark.
		It's dark in here, or something like that, but this one, it's cold.
		And if there's anything I don't want to imagine that it is on the other side, and that's cold.
unidentified		Cold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
		Against my better judgment, I will do that one again.
		Here we go.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Is anyone here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Halloween stuff all the way.
		We only have one more to go, and then we're going to let the audience ask you some questions.
		And judging from what I can see on the board there, everybody wants to.
		So what do we have?
		What is the final one?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		On this, this was set up in a room by itself.
		We had left the building, and this building has not had running water to it for at least 20 years.
		I believe there still is not running water in this.
		But you're going to hear water, and it's a child that it says, I can't breathe.
		And the whole segment is like 15 seconds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you know, I think I remember.
		Did we do this?
		We did this on a previous show, right?
unidentified		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We thought we did this for the Halloween research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
		Yeah, this is very disturbing.
		This water clip is very disturbing.
		All right, here it comes.
unidentified		All right.
		All right.
		Whew.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No question, there was sure a lot of water there.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and there really is no, there's a whale down in the basement that has a lid over the top of this whale.
		And the water is very clear in it.
		As far as I know, there's never been anybody dive down in this whale.
		But there's like metal platforms I could see when I shined the flashlight looking down in this whale.
		And I don't know how anybody could get down to the bottom with the stuff that they have inside this whale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Barry from Vancouver, BC says, come on, Art.
		EVP is dangerous.
		Dangerous because it opens portals, kind of like a Ouija board.
		Now, that's something to consider.
		Even seeking EVPs, playing EVPs, doing this program, isn't it possible that it is dangerous?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, if it is, I haven't come up against it yet.
		I don't believe that it is dangerous unless somebody kind of weak-minded that's open to possibilities of happening.
		But I don't look at it as the same thing as a Ouija board.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's take some calls.
		First-time caller line, Matt in Colorado.
		You're on with Barbara Macbeth.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hey, how's it going?
		Thank you guys.
		I don't know how long I've been wanting to talk to y'all, man.
		I have a question and a comment.
		And I do have a story if you have time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know about the story, but let's have the comment on the question.
unidentified		Okay, the question would be, a friend has a Nord V2 keyboard, and it comes up with some algorithms that are amazing as far as, I mean, it's almost as if they're opening a portal to the ghost world.
		And I'm curious what you guys might have to say on something like that.
		But I mean, as far as like, you know, on the EVPs And all that, like, how would they, you know, does that actually connect with the ghosts?
		And does that actually connect with the ghosts, you know, as far as any kind of way that they're clicking in to pick up signals?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure I understand the nature of the question, actually.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I'm not either.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand what he...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These, again, are recorded on either a digital or a tape device, one of the two, mostly digital in the last year or two.
		And they come randomly, although I must say that a lot of the ones we've had tonight appear to be direct responses or fairly direct responses.
		So I'm sorry, but I just didn't understand that question.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Barbara Macbeth of the GIS.
unidentified		Hello George.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		George is not here, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		I beg your pardon.
		Art Bell, it's an honor to talk to you.
		I've been listening for 10 years.
		Listen, I'm an American Yankee.
		Don't worry about that typhoon.
		I lived through Katrina and Rita.
		Everything's going to be okay.
		My question for Barbara.
		I found your site because of Coast to Coast AM, and I was wondering the one that scares you the most and the ones that make you laugh the most, and I'll tell you the one that scares me the most.
		I've listened to the entire EVP gallery, Miss Barbara, and the one that says, am I dead?
		And I just want you to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That scares you the most.
unidentified		That's the one that it just jumps out at me.
		I've listened to the gallery all the way through, the EVP gallery at ghostpicks.com.
		And this has been for about two years.
		And it just like, am I dead?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		I recall that one myself.
		Okay, Barbara, it's a good question.
		What has humored you the most or scared you the most?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Boy, there really hasn't been any that have scared me.
		There's been some that have bothered me.
		That would really be a difficult one to imagine.
		We could possibly hear the pipes, and we had recorded right before the pipes had started making the rattling sounds.
		We had recorded a voice that said, make the pipes do it now.
		And then shortly after that voice was when we were able to hear the pipes start.
		And we had recorded in that building over 100 times, and we had never heard that before or since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		And if you want to listen to these yourself, folks, GhostPics.com is a place west of the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Barbara Macbeth.
unidentified		Oh, so great to get through, especially with Barbara Macbeth on as well.
		And you, Mr. Art Bell.
		I'm born and raised New Orleans.
		I also, as your previous caller, survived both Katrina and Rita in the cities.
		And that makes me an evacua wee wee.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		Now, I'm wondering, I'm born and raised New Orleans.
		I'm wondering, ma'am, if you and your team have gotten into New Orleans to discover this genre, and if not, when, and if so, I want to hear it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You are in my family's home area.
		My family is from Gonzales, Louisiana, which is between New Orleans and Baton Rouge.
		And I've been down in Louisiana many times throughout my life, but we have never conducted an investigation there.
		That is one of my goals, is to get down there, because I'm aware of a lot of places I would like to go and investigate, but I've never done an investigation there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty haunted state, to be sure.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's a wonderful state.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I love it, but we've never done it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you all go on vacation, wherever it is that you go on vacation, Barbara, do you always carry your gear with you?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we do.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		When just me and Roger go on a little weekend jaunt or something, we always take our equipment with us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Hold tight.
		Barbara Macbeth is my guest.
		Brendan is down with a pretty hard case of the flu, but what a night it's been.
		If you've got questions about what you've been hearing, assuming you've made it this far, and that's quite an assumption, we'll be right back.
		Remember I said a little while ago, imagine trucking across the country and hearing something like this in the middle of the night.
		James, trucking through Georgia, says, this is fascinating.
		Theory about why so many voices seem childlike.
		Could it be that when you're dead, you're no longer tied to conventional space-time and can revert to whatever age you want to?
		Maybe, James, your theory as good as any other.
		Barbara Macbeth will be right back.
		All right.
		Wayne in Exeter, California says, gee, Art, I hope what we're hearing, those things we're hearing, are latent energy patterns being replayed somehow.
		I'd really hate to think there's no more justice and compassion in the next life than there is in this one.
		I agree with that, Barbara.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I do too.
		You know, everything about EVP is theory.
		And it's quite exciting with the technology being developed today.
		No matter if they do find out And get a definite answer on what these voices are.
		I hope I'm alive to learn it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Me too.
		I know what they aren't.
		And in the beginning, when we started dealing with EVP, we thought, oh, well, maybe it's some radio station, you know, and it's somehow getting into the recorder.
		And it's obviously not anything of that sort.
		That's correct.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We have to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever it is, it's real.
unidentified		Well, I don't know, Art.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of a sad situation for many souls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		All right, here we go.
		A lot of people want to talk to you.
		Let's go to the wildcard line and say hi.
		You're on the air with Barbara.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Jody from Rochester, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hi, Barbara.
		I've got actually an experiment that you guys may want to try.
		How about getting somebody that can do an out-of-body experience and actually go up to the tape recorder and try to talk to it?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know that there are people that are able to do that almost on command.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't, I would have to definitely know that the person that we would bring with us to try that can actually do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would not have to bring them with you, Barbara.
		People who can travel out of their body are able to astrally travel and go any place they want.
		So all you'd have to do is arrange with somebody to have a recorder running at a certain time and give it a shot.
		It's an interesting idea.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But myself, I would have to know that that person is definitely able to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's one way to find out, that's for sure.
		East of the Rockies in Roanoke, Virginia.
		Robert, you're on the air with Barbara.
unidentified		How are you doing tonight, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just fine, sir.
unidentified		And Barbara, this is a fascinating show because I have an account I would like to relate to you, and then maybe something that might help you in your studies on this.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This was back about 30 years ago.
		I was getting ready to do some Christmas promotion for a station here.
		And I was doing the voiceovers and the promotion in my house.
		And I usually do my work late at night when it's very quiet.
		And Art, if you remember the old Sony TC630 reel-to-reels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
unidentified		The fantastic recorder.
		And I was using one of those.
		It was a reel-to-reel, which has sound on sound and sound with sound.
		It has a built-in EchoPlex.
		And depending on the speed of the tape, you can talk.
		And then you can either get maybe a seven-second delay or a 13-second delay when the tape rolls by.
		And this was at Christmas time, and I had a little Christmas tree in my house and Christmas cards And everything around, and I was getting ready to do this voiceover.
		I reached over to get my, and I smoked too, I reached over to get my cigarettes, and I heard back through the, you can get a wet or a dry mix on these recorders.
		I heard back through the recorder, I heard a child's voice, a little girl's voice that said, who's here?
		Then there was about a two-second delay, and it was like there was excitement in her voice that said, Christmas.
		And this was late at night, 12 o'clock.
		I don't have any children.
		There was no children in the house.
		And I turned around quick.
		I just, you know, natural instinct, I thought someone else was there in the room with me.
		No one there.
		I flipped the recorder off, played it back, and it was just as clear as a bell, just like I'm hearing tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there you go.
		You just got a spontaneous EVP in a way that you could hear it.
		That's an amazing story, sir.
		Thank you.
		Thank you very much.
		And that's exactly what he got, was an EVP.
		First time caller line?
		No, no, no, no.
		I'm sorry.
		Wildcard line.
		Valerie in Pennsylvania.
		You're on with Barbara.
unidentified		Yes, Art.
		I've had a question I wanted to ask Barbara for a long time.
		I think that if I were going to go and record EVPs, I would go to local cemetery and probably end up with, you know, my relatives' graves.
		Have they ever recorded an EVP that they recognized the voice on?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We did on one occasion.
		The voice really wasn't the sound of our friend.
		He had committed suicide in his family's garage.
		But we did record a voice in the house.
		The family had called us to come and investigate because there was ghost activity taking place and they thought it might have been our friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I believe that you have made a pact, haven't you, Barbara, to attempt yourself to create an EVP when you pass?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I would love to be able to do that.
		If I have a choice at all, I will do it.
		But how this voice responded to my husband was Exactly the same way this friend of ours did when he was alive.
		It was his and what he said, I can't repeat because of the language, but it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that brings up another topic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many EVPs are not arable because of the language?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Really, not a big percentage of them.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We have recorded some bad language, but the majority is not like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, all right.
		We don't have a lot of time.
		On the International Line from London, England, Nick, you're on there.
unidentified		Hi, it's great to speak to you.
		I've got a question for Barbara.
		Does she have any ideas for new devices to record EVPs in the future?
		Are they investigating any new ideas or following any sort of intuitions they may have about how to go?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, of course, Nick, they've made the transition from analog to digital, but beyond that, Barbara, anything else on the horizon?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would be depending on what we can afford.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of equipment out there, I know, that we could be using, but it's what we can afford.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Money, money, money, sure.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's all what it comes down to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the Rockies, Phoenix, Arizona, Robert.
unidentified		Art, it's a pleasure to speak with you again, Finally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you, sir.
unidentified		Barbara, is it possible to record, I guess, family EVP in a place that you've never lived in before?
		And, well, I went blind three years ago.
		And ever since then, I have been visited by family members, animals, you know, whatever.
		And I'm just curious.
		I mean, I don't consider them haunting.
		I'm just curious, though, as to whether these spirits would have followed me here to Phoenix and whether or not it would be possible to record them if they were so inclined.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I believe it would be.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		If you have family members that are attached to you or looking over you as type of a guardian angel type of thing, I believe that that would be possible and you might want to try that.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, why not?
		Yes to the Rockies, Matt in Iowa.
		You're on with Barbara.
unidentified		All right, Barbara, nice to speak with you two again.
		And just before I get on with my question for you guys who haven't tried this, it does work.
		It does come back real.
		But my question tonight was, has any of you ever been on a site, whether it be a cemetery or whatever, and played it back to someone and able to identify the voice?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we just sort of answered that One.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was only one instance of that, right, Barbara?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and it did not sound like him except for the way the words and the way he spoke.
		It sounded like our friend.
		But the voice itself did not sound like him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Wild Card Line, Paula in Florida.
		You're on with Barbara.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, honey.
		Hey, Barbara, I've listened to you before, and something strange has really happened to us.
		After I'd listened to you one night, I got on the tape recorder and I started talking to my little grandson because he passed away.
		And so I said something to him, and I just let the tape run, and then I played it back, and he said, talk to me.
		And then my granddaughter's sister, she saw my father-in-law here.
		My brother-in-law's been here.
		And I'm beginning to wonder, do we really go to the other side?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, any theory that you'd have would be just as good as anybody else's.
		I do think that there are times when family members come to us for certain reasons, but I don't believe that they...
		I don't believe that they always stay as a ghost.
		A ghost is usually experienced by many different people over a period of time.
		There's been recorded, documented hauntings that have taken place for hundreds of years in certain locations.
		I would hate to think that my loved ones were stuck here as ghosts.
unidentified		Well, as many people as you have taped, I'm just beginning to wonder.
unidentified		Especially the children.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know.
unidentified		That's really got me upset.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It is upsetting because it's just thrown my perception of what happens to little children right out the window.
unidentified		Well, I know I even got him on film.
		I've filmed him in the kitchen, in his room.
		I mean, it's just, and then, I mean, other people seeing him here, I mean, I'm really beginning to wonder what's going on.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, did he live there at that location?
unidentified		Yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Did he?
unidentified		Yeah, all of them did.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, they might not, there might be a reason why they're staying.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		If I were you, I'd record and see if you can get some answers on why they're there.
unidentified		Yeah, that's what I'm doing now.
unidentified		I'm charging Barry's my recorder right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, listen, good luck, and please let us know.
unidentified		Thank you so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		Please let us know how you do.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Barbara Charlie in Crystal River, Florida, or California.
unidentified		Florida.
		Hello, Art.
		Hello, Barbara.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Congratulations, Art, on your new one on the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		You're going to need a new hobby very soon.
		And I think Barbara has brought it to you.
		Three shows ago when Barbara was on, her husband made Some very interesting comments that you went.
		Oh, I didn't know that.
		Oh, I didn't realize that.
		And I have a radio-trained ear, and the recordings that were made with laptops with a wide-open mic, not in voice-activated mode, recorded some traffic in the background.
		And I said, that's conversation.
		And so I downloaded the show, I isolated that, I filtered out all of the audible recognizable voices.
		And sure enough, there is conversation in the background that is of a different frequency.
		It's on a different dimension, if you will.
		And what I think is happening is what you're hearing that we can understand are burst transmissions from another dimension.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's as good a guess as any.
		I mean, we're all guessing about what this is.
		We have no idea what it is.
		Nobody can say with any surety what we're hearing, or that is to say where it's from.
		But it's real.
		Whatever it is, it's real.
		In other words, you're not hearing some fake baloney.
		You're just hearing something that's real.
		And it's going to leave every show leaves everybody wondering what it is.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We just have no idea.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I could give you some any kind of explanation, but I would be wrong in doing that and stating it for a fact because we really don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mike in Iowa, you're on the air with Barbara Macbeth.
unidentified		Hello.
		All right.
		Thanks for taking my call.
		Barbara, I had a question regarding your recording techniques.
		Do you know if you use 24-bit depth or is that 16?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We use 16.
unidentified		Okay.
		Would it be possible to do 24-bit?
		That would probably give you a higher dynamic range if you tried that.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That would be up to Brendan.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		He's the one that transfers the stuff from our recorders into the files.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But we will, I'll tell you what, we'll be sure it gets passed on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's that?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much, and take care.
		Moving quickly to the wildcard line, Matthew in Fresno, California.
unidentified		How are you doing, Barbara?
		I had a question.
		My question was, can someone curse another person with these entities?
		And the reason I asked that is because of certain experiences I had while I was with a certain girlfriend of mine.
		And when you guys were talking about the food, bringing food, in her religion, when someone died, they would bring food and money to the funeral and they would burn it.
		And that would supposedly go up to the spirits.
		And my question was, is can someone else curse you?
		Because I feel like I had been cursed by this person's grandmother.
		And there were certain experiences that had occurred since that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, so can somebody curse you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean a living person or a spirit?
unidentified		Can a person control these ghosts to come after somebody who is taunting?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I myself do not believe that that situation would be ghosts.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think that that would be a completely different kind of entity.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, not a lot of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air with Barbara Macbeth.
unidentified		Is this East of the Rockies?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		All right.
		Robin, I think.
unidentified		Yes.
		I have a short story and a question.
		I'm disabled, and I was coming down the steps and looking for stuff, and I had my robe on one arm and shoulder, and the other arm was off.
		And I went into the bedroom to look for things, and what I thought was my husband went to help me get the other arm on.
		And I turned around to thank him, and he's at the end of our long haul.
		He had just finished washing dishes in the kitchen, and I was shocked because I thought it was him, and I just thought, what happened here?
		And I said, were you just here?
		And he said, no.
		I said, you're not going to believe this, but somebody tried to help me get on the robe.
		And it wasn't him, and it wasn't me, and we're the only two people here.
		And I was just curious if this entity, which I've never felt threatened, but I've always been telepathic and felt the presence, could become more menacing.
		And I was curious about EVPs or if I should just stay out of that realm.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That would really be up to you.
		I mean, if you feel like you could handle more than what took place there, you know, go for it.
		If it's something that's fearful to you and might cause you some fright and discomfort in your home, I would recommend you stay away from it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good advice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Barbara Macbeth.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Hi, you're the best, man.
		I wanted to have a thought about the children.
		Maybe you have to learn about death before you can pass over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a good comment.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you.
unidentified		And a question for Barbara.
unidentified		Have you ever heard any other languages than English?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a good one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we have.
		We've recorded Spanish.
		Other recordings, we've recorded what sounds like German or a derivative of German.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But obviously, for the purposes of a broadcast show, we're not going to play those because it's hard enough to hear in English, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But yes, we have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Although, I must say, tonight's EVPs have been disturbingly clear.
		Well, Barbara, we've done it again.
		The website is ghostpics.com, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and thank you for having me on, Art.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And I want to wish you and the listeners happy Halloween.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Barbara, and good night.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, folks.
		The Typhoon permitting, we will be here tomorrow night.
		And, of course, Halloween Eve for the traditional Ghost to Ghost program from Manila, Philippines.
		I'm Art Bell.

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