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Oct. 28, 2006 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Barbara McBeath - Voices from the Other Side

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	From the Southeast Asian capital city of the Philippine Islands, Manila, I bid you good day, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, whatever the case may be, wherever you are, I'm Art Bell, and this is the weekend version of Coast to Coast AM.
	And when I say Coast to Coast, I mean literally around the world.
	It's great to be with you, my honor and privilege to be escorting you through the weekend.
	It's going to be a wild one where I am.
	And I'm hoping that Lex or Sean will get the update that I just sent them.
	But if you check the coasttocoastam.com website, you will see I was able to find a website that tracks typhoons here.
	We have one headed for us.
	And oh, it's a beaut.
	It's a real beaut.
	And it's getting bigger all the time.
	Fortunately for us, it appears to be headed a little more northerly than it was previously, although some of the computer models still have it coming down toward us.
	Hopefully, it will continue on this northern track.
	However...
	The latest information on Typhoon Cimarron, and you'll actually get to see it.
	Now, this is the island that I'm on, for those of you not familiar, and there would be many, with the geography here in the Philippines.
	I am on the island of Luzon.
	Wait till you see this.
	The update is not up there yet, but it will be shortly.
	Simaran is now about to be packing winds of 295 kilometers per hour.
	That's fast.
	And we're not quite sure of the track yet.
	It depends on which computer model it decides to follow, but it's going to cut right through the central and slightly northern part of Luzon.
	Baguio is a city that frequently has a lot of mudslides and trouble, and it's going to be passing very close to Baguio, so it's kind of a strange thing here in the Philippines.
	For some reason, they don't warn people.
	You know, in the U.S., my God, they're talking about storms way ahead of time.
	If this kind of storm was headed toward the U.S., it'd be all over the news here in the Philippines.
	No.
	No.
	There's no news.
	Now, I found out about it by getting a warden message from the U.S.
	Embassy here in Manila, and I began tracking it a few days ago.
	But here on TV, nothing.
	Radio, nothing.
	I mean, this is a super typhoon headed straight at us.
	And you can clearly see on the map, even though you don't have the latest update as of yet.
	Let me take a look.
	Let me refresh the page and see if they put up the latest update.
	Let's see.
	I'm sure they'll have it up quickly if not now let's see no yeah yeah they just got the latest update up there and by 8 a.m.
	Sunday I'm sorry 8 p.m.
	Sunday, that would be 8 o'clock tonight, it'll have between 240 and 295 kilometers per hour
	of winds.
	And as you can see, it's beginning to take a little more westerly course, which scares
	the you-know-what out of me.
	This is a big, big typhoon.
	And for some reason, they just don't treat, you know, you can go talk to people in stores around here and they don't even know a typhoon's out there.
	But here this thing is set to strike tomorrow.
	Nobody knows.
	They don't do much in the way of warning people here and I've been asking my wife about that and she just said, well, they don't do it.
	But this is one big mama, as you can clearly see.
	Anyway, I also, oh by the way, I had this chart but they were kind enough to put it up on the main website for me so you can see what we're facing.
	I took, about ten minutes ago, I took a shot, it's very eerie here in Manila right now, very eerie indeed.
	I took a shot out the window toward Makati.
	And you can see there's this strange haze over everything.
	It's not really fog and it's not smog.
	It's just sort of what happens before a typhoon.
	You go into this great, quiet, sort of eerie, weird, look out, here it comes kind of weather.
	And so that's what it looks like out my window right now.
	We're gonna get a big typhoon.
	Big one.
	There is more to talk about, although I'm watching this very, very carefully.
	Listen, coming up Wednesday, I'm going to be doing the annual traditional Ghost to Ghost program.
	And so, two items to think about here, please.
	If you have a superlatively good ghost story, I would encourage you to email it to me now.
	Try and keep it short.
	The best ones are the short ones.
	And I'm only going to be able to read so much on the air before we begin taking calls.
	So if you have a really good ghost story...
	By all means, commit it to email.
	Send it to me, artbell at mindspring.com.
	I'm artbell, A-R-T-B-L-L at mindspring.com.
	M-I-N-D-S-P-R-I-N-G.
	Now, beyond that, if you have a ghost story you would like to tell on the air, we are going to be searching for only the best, only the scariest, only the, I don't know, You know what the good and the bad of ghost stories is.
	I want nothing but the best.
	The absolute best.
	So kind of prep yourself for a little bit.
	I always encourage people to do that and that means sometimes making a little outline of what you're going to say on paper so that when you get on the air if you suddenly have an attack of nerves you can look down and kind of reference what it was you were going to say.
	It can happen.
	You can kind of lock up when you realize you're on the air.
	All right.
	All that said, that's coming up Wednesday.
	I'll remind you again tomorrow about that.
	There is one more thing, and that is tonight, during this program, we will once again, well, let me qualify that.
	You will once again be required to turn your clocks back an hour.
	Traditionally, I have ranted about this, and I'll do a very small rant.
	It's an insane, insane thing, in my opinion, to have to twice a year either turn back or go forward one hour.
	It's just insane.
	Why we do it, I have no idea whatsoever.
	Now, I'm going to cut my rant short this year for the following reason.
	I now live in a country that sanely does not change their clocks.
	Now, the only impact this will have on me is that instead of beginning my show at 1 o'clock in the afternoon, I will now be able to get another hour of sleep and begin my show at 2 o'clock in the afternoon.
	So it's fine by me.
	Fine by me.
	But for everybody across the contiguous 48 states, It's a pain in the butt.
	There are a few states, namely Arizona and a few others, that sanely don't do this crazy thing.
	But for the rest of you, a reminder, you're going to have to turn your clocks back at or before 2 a.m.
	For a lot of you that means doing it beginning right now.
	At home I had about 30 to 50 clocks.
	Just an insane number of clocks.
	And I would have to begin in the early evening and by showtime I would have them all pretty well turned back except the one that I was going to use for air.
	So, there you have it.
	I'll tell you what, let's take a... Anyway, here I am in the Philippines where they don't touch the clocks ever!
	So my rant is cut short, but for those of you in the states that still have to change your clocks, you know, every year I say this and it bounces off, does no good, but call your congressman.
	Email your congressman, your senator.
	Tell them to stop the insanity now.
	I would like to see it end in our lifetimes.
	I really would.
	we're going to get a very quick break and then we will look at the uh... abysmal world
	It really is eerie out there just ahead of this big typhoon.
	It's really eerie, and if you take a look at my webcam photo, you'll see what I mean.
	It's just strange out there.
	Listen, coming up next hour, normally we would have Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeth from the Ghost Investigators Society GIS, but Brendan is down with a serious case of the flu.
	We will nevertheless continue with the program, Barbara McBeth being here all by herself.
	And this involves electronic voice phenomena.
	This, and I'll tell you more about it next hour, but it literally is.
	The voices, we think the voices of the dead.
	Certainly there's no accounting for what you're going to hear tonight.
	There really isn't.
	It's one of the things that convinces me, more than anything else, of life after death.
	After a hastily arranged video conference with President Bush, Iraq's Prime Minister said Saturday that the U.S.
	President promised to move swiftly to turn over full control of the Iraqi army to the Baghdad government.
	What's happening here is that they are sort of using the U.S.
	elections and the President's weakened position because of them to try and pressure him to turn over control of the armed forces a little early and it's probably working.
	The mother of one of the four firefighters who died during a wildfire that authorities blamed on arsonists urged those who set it to turn themselves in Saturday, saying, quote, I firmly believe you didn't believe that things were going to turn out the way they did, but they did, said Bonnie McKay, whose son, Jason, 27, died Thursday.
	Don't let the remorse eat you alive, she said.
	Come forward.
	I, for one, will try to not judge you.
	There is only one who can judge you.
	28 years after his first campaign, President George W. Bush is waging his last.
	And if the polls are anywhere near correct, the president could wind up experiencing the sting of defeat for the first time since the 1978 race.
	Most of the winning campaigns in between have been close, and the President's victories have hinged in part on his flair for retail politicking that allows him to make personal connections with voters.
	It may not be enough this time.
	Let's see, Fidel Castro up and on TV in Cuba, now 80 years old, but sort of strolling around saying, see, I'm not dead.
	The Mexican president, Vicente Fox, has ordered federal police down south in his country, where they've had a lot of trouble for a long time, but after the killing of a U.S.
	journalist and at least two Mexicans, apparently his patience with this flare-up has ended and he's got the military down there.
	Nearly 40% of the scientists conducting hands-on research at the National Institutes of Health say they're looking for other jobs.
	Or considering doing so to escape new ethics rules that apparently are curtailing their opportunity to earn outside income.
	Most of the scientists say ethics breakdown, the ethics crackdown rather, is just simply too severe.
	And nearly three quarters of them think that it will hinder the government's ability to attract and keep medical researchers.
	Probably will.
	Brad Pitt is upset.
	His staff is claiming that a television producer and cameraman trespassed at his Hollywood Hills home after the actor and his family weren't home.
	The pair from E!
	Networks parked out a van allegedly outside their home October 20th, ignored a no trespassing sign and walked onto the property where some construction workers apparently saw them and reported the whole thing.
	This is kind of an interesting story.
	Let's see, I have time for it.
	Pig-grabbing space aliens are the talk of Tappan, North Dakota and beyond.
	But Tori Breezy, whose family counts three close encounters with the inexplicable, inexplicable, there we go, doesn't worry very much about what other people think.
	Some people probably aren't going to believe it.
	I'm not even going to try to convince anybody.
	We know what happens, said Bricey, a member of the Tappan School Board whose family operates a ranch outside of town.
	Bricey and his wife Myra spoke Thursday of three strange occurrences experienced by family members in the past year.
	Two of them reported by their son Evan, 16.
	According to Myra Bricey, the latest incident went something like this.
	Her son awoke early on the morning of September 12.
	He got up to get a glass of water.
	Looking out a window, the boy saw something moving in the corral that is home to several large hogs that are basically family pets.
	Thinking it probably was a coyote, he grabbed a gun and walked into the corral.
	There, he encountered two creatures standing eight to nine feet tall that were doing something to one of the hogs.
	The boy fired his .22 caliber rifle at one creature and was pretty sure he hit it.
	Judging by the unearthly scream it emitted, another creature then grabbed the boy and threw him to the ground, causing him to black out.
	When he awoke, he found that Ruthie, a 400-pound... All right, I think we're back on live, everybody, and sorry about that.
	Who knows, it may be this approaching typhoon.
	I have no idea, you know, the way Lines are routed here, but what happened was, so that you know, the ISDN line here, which we use for communication...
	Okay, I think we're back yet again.
	I think we're having perhaps a little cockpit problem.
	At any rate, we're back and we're about to take a break, so I'm going to have to hold on to the end of this story until after the break.
	For the information back to the Board Ops there, we are about to go into a break.
	This is quite a story, this story from a farm in North Dakota.
	This is where, you know, it's odd that these things always seem to occur Out sort of in the middle of nowhere.
	Once again, it's a weird night.
	We've got a big storm on the way.
	Go to ghostcoastam.com, take a look.
	It's really a monster.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Well, I hope I'm here, and I think I am.
	We had a, again, for those of you who missed it, we had an ISDN disconnect.
	It could have been, it could be the storm.
	We have the mother of all storms headed toward Luzon, and you can see a picture of it on the website if you want to.
	It doesn't look good at all.
	And some of the models have it swinging south, which would be a very disagreeable situation for us.
	I hope it stays up north.
	Anyway, I was telling you the story about North Dakota.
	Let me sort of finish up on that.
	The young fellow shot this thing, which screamed.
	Absolutely screamed this unearthly scream.
	Later he was hypnotized.
	Five entities had been in that corral.
	He relayed this all under hypnosis.
	Two were in the process of dragging what appeared to be a dead hog when a boy interrupted them.
	It's simply unexplainable, Myra briefs he said.
	This still bothers Evan to the day.
	She said, adding her son feels guilty for not being able to save his younger sister's hog.
	As for the other incidents, one was in April.
	When Evan and his cattle dog Buster were checking on cows during calving season, his parents said, investigating a flashing glow, the pair walked over a hill, saw an object resting on the ground that appeared to be scanning a water hole with an intense beam of light.
	At first, the boy and dog could do nothing but stare.
	The spell was broken when Buster ran, barking at the craft, which then took off into the night, causing what amounted to a sonic boom.
	That woke Myra up.
	Tori Breezy said of the sound, adding that he too witnessed something unusual this past summer.
	It happened one night in July when he was giving a neighbor a ride into town.
	A lot going on here.
	Breezy said he and the neighbor noticed a bluish light in the sky which stopped when they stopped, moved when they began driving.
	We spent about a half hour watching it, Breezy said, adding At one point the object flew so fast it went several miles in just seconds.
	Based on the description of the object that his son saw in April, Breezy links the two events, adding that he never had been given two flights of fancy.
	Evan and I are very skeptical, sorry Breezy said.
	We used to watch the UFO files on TV and laugh out loud.
	Reesey said he wouldn't be surprised if people feel the same way about this story, but said that the family doesn't need to prove anything, and they've moved on.
	We're not looking for aliens, he said.
	Rice Barnick, the mayor of Tappan, located off Interstate 94 between Bismarck and Jamestown, said visits by UFOs are the talk of the town, though he himself is not quite on board with it all.
	Not saying it can't happen.
	But I'd have to see it to believe it.
	At the time of the April incident, the Briseys were put in touch with Richard Moss, a UFO investigator who just happened to be in Tappan for a funeral, and he said that his inclination is to definitely believe the story.
	So, also, by the way, one of the animals found A sheep had had a single testicle removed.
	With surgical precision.
	Surgical precision.
	This was done by a forum reporter, Stephen Wagney, and I thought that it was a very unusual story and one that deserved air time.
	Maybe we can find out more about it.
	Perhaps we can interview one of the individuals involved.
	But without question, this is one of the strangest stories I've seen in a long time.
	more in a moment.
	We're about to go to open lines, so if you'd like to get on the air and you've got something
	relevant, interesting for the audience, now would be a time to dial.
	Rita in Houston, Texas said, hey Art, what happened to the 400-pound pig?
	Your line went out right at the punchline.
	The 400-pound pig just flat disappeared, never did come back.
	So this was one weird story out of North Dakota, and if any of the participants would like, you know, it just happened a month or so ago, and if any of the participants would like to be interviewed, I'd love to interview them.
	Now, in the next hour we're going to be talking to Barbara Macbeth from the GIS, Ghost Investigators Society, and I'm telling you right now that of all the things that I cover on this radio program, the GIS and these incredible voices that are coming from either another dimension Well, I think it is another dimension.
	That's the closest I can come to whatever the reality of this electronic voice phenomenon may be.
	I have no idea what it really is, but these are voices from the other side of something.
	Whether it's actually the voices of the dead or not, I don't know, but I am convinced.
	I really am convinced that whatever this phenomena is, it's real.
	It is absolutely Real.
	So what you're going to hear tonight will kind of shake you up.
	It will scare you.
	It scares me every time we do it, and that's why I've had the GIS back again and again and again.
	Because this really is scary stuff.
	Of course, we're close to Halloween, so it's a good time for it.
	At any rate, top of the hour, GIS, voices from the other side.
	Maybe I should just call it that.
	Instead of voices from the dead, we'll call it voices from the other side of something.
	This is such a fascinating world we live in, isn't it?
	Let's go west of the Rockies and say hello, Steve.
	You're on the air.
	Art, it's about approaching 3 o'clock in the afternoon there, I think, on Sunday.
	It's approaching 2 o'clock in the afternoon.
	2 o'clock.
	Okay.
	They told me 16 hours when I checked.
	Firstly, I wanted to ask you about the approaching typhoon.
	You quoted the kilometers per hour.
	295 if you look.
	That's about 174 point some miles per hour.
	That's going to be a big one.
	After that last one you had where you were feeling the window.
	Yes.
	And the window was caving inward.
	Yes.
	Do you have a shelter in the basement there?
	We have a parking garage.
	Okay, well have you considered that versus First of all, this thing is going north right now, and I hope it keeps going north, sir.
	But it's obviously going to hit Luzon.
	You can actually see a little bit of the Philippine geography if you look at that map.
	Absolutely.
	Well, there you have it.
	At any rate, I am on Luzon.
	I'm a little bit further to the south than what the storm track is.
	But one thing I don't have up there are the various computer models that show exactly where it's going.
	Some of the computer models are showing it swinging to the south.
	Those worry me.
	I think it's going to keep going north.
	Cross fingers.
	First time caller line, you are on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello there.
	Hello.
	Martin, you're on the air.
	Oh, hey Art Bell.
	Yeah, I've heard you for like 10 years now, almost.
	So turn your radio off for us, Martin.
	Yeah, I was wondering about that EVP, is that correct?
	Electronic Voice Phenomena, it's called.
	Yes.
	I was wondering, now do you have like a clip of the scariest one you've ever heard that just sends chills down your back?
	There have been so many of those, Martin.
	Over the several years that I've interviewed these folks, there really have been many that just scared the you-know-what out of me.
	Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But do you have like any like, you know, clips that, you know, top ones?
	Yeah, like you're... Actually, we'll give you a website.
	You can go and listen yourself to what you call the top ones on our website if you wish.
	What we try to present on each new program are the latest ones.
	Some of them are chilling, some of them not.
	What we're trying to do is give you an example of everything that comes through so you can kind of begin to draw your own conclusions about the nature of the other side.
	Oh, the other side, yes.
	All righty.
	Thank you, Art.
	I appreciate it.
	You're very welcome, and have a good night.
	So again, those of you who would wish to get on the air, we gave you the numbers.
	Feel free to dial us up and join us.
	Let's go east of the Rockies this time to Lucas, I think, in St.
	Louis.
	Hello, Lucas.
	Hi, Artie.
	This is Lucas.
	Can you hear me?
	I hear you just fine.
	Oh, good, because there's been some technical problems with that typhoon.
	Yes.
	I was wondering what floor you all live on.
	The 19th floor, Lucas.
	Goodness gracious.
	So in other words, I'm about 200 feet, almost 200 feet in the air.
	Wow.
	Do you all board up the windows like we do?
	No, no.
	No, we don't board up windows.
	These are Because this is a, you know, typhoon prone area, these are special windows up at this altitude, of course.
	Even as special as they are, during the last typhoon, as I mentioned, I think, and you may have heard, they flexed inward.
	You could actually put your hand on the window, which was a dumb thing to do.
	And like in a horror movie, you could feel it pushing inward.
	I wonder why they don't board up windows like they do when the hurricanes are coming.
	Well, for one thing, they'd have hundreds of windows to board up just in this single building I'm in alone.
	Yeah.
	You used to have that cat you talked about.
	Did you bring that with you to the Philippines?
	No, I brought two of them.
	I brought Abydos and Yeti are both here, and they don't much like typhoons.
	Yeah, I can imagine they're probably scared right now.
	Yes.
	And one last question.
	Do you keep your American passport or are you a Filipino now?
	No, no, of course I kept my American passport.
	Well, you have to get a visa, don't you, each six months or so?
	Okay, let me explain that to you.
	No, I do not.
	Normally, the answer to that would be yes.
	But what I did in anticipation of coming to the Philippines, knowing that I was married and I was going to be here for some time, is I joined an organization here known as the PRA.
	And I think that's the Philippine Retirement Authority.
	And so instead of having a visa, it gives you a visa, a permanent visa, so it's kind of like It's kind of like, I'm an American-P, so I remain an American, but dash P for Filipino, and I have, I guess it would be the equivalent of a green card for those who are residents in America.
	I think what I have would be equivalent to a green card.
	I'll scan it and put it up on the net so you all can see it, but it virtually allows me to remain forever, if I wish, in the Philippines.
	It allows me multiple entrances and exits as though I were a citizen, even though, of course, I am not.
	No, of course I remain an American citizen.
	Let's go, let's see, to the wild card line and say, Sean, in New York, you're on the air.
	Yeah, hi Art.
	I wonder if you've heard anything or know any more about the satellite that NASA sent up, the STEREO satellite, that's a dual satellite to study the magnetic and particular effects of the Sun when it has the coronal outbursts or whatever?
	No, I wasn't even familiar with that.
	When was it sent up?
	Last week, about a week ago, 10 days ago, something like that.
	So it wouldn't even really be operational yet?
	Well, I'm not quite certain.
	They're not sending it that far out into space.
	It's only some 10 million miles from the Earth.
	And it's a dual satellite system wherein they're going to study coronal outbursts, or whatever the correct word is, I'm not sure.
	With two satellites simultaneously and get a stereoscopic I'll do a little research on it and find out.
	Well that's very interesting. I was aware of the satellite they had out about 10 million
	miles that watches the sun. So apparently this is going to be a mate for that and I
	can understand the advantage of a stereoscopic view of coronal ejections when they occur
	and the magnetic anomalies on the sun. I'm sure it will tell us a lot. That's a very
	good idea. I'll do a little research on it and find out.
	Thank you very much, Art.
	Alright, you're very welcome and take care.
	Let's go, well, let's see, where should we go?
	Let's go to east of the Rockies, and Karen, you're on the air in Houston.
	Hey there, Art.
	How are you doing?
	Just fine.
	All righty.
	I know that in some of my reading in the Edgar Cayce material, he had stated way back when that in the future there would be equipment that would be built and developed that would provide us with a back-and-forth conversation with the other side.
	So, a lot of what he says is still coming true.
	I've been trying to encourage people.
	A number of years ago, hun, there were experiments done allowing live discussions with the other side.
	It actually has already happened a number of years ago and I've been trying to encourage... The plans for the electronics that did this are actually up on the net and so I'm hoping somebody will pick up on it and continue that line of experimentation because I would think live Talks with anything on the other side would just be incredibly interesting.
	Are you still there?
	Uh-huh.
	Are you there?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	One other thing that he said, too, was that on the other side there is less free will than what we have here.
	So we are in a special position, so to speak, for whatever reason we're here, growth or whatever.
	So that would be one of my main questions, I think.
	One of the first things I would ask in a back and forth discussion is, tell us about the free will situation over there.
	You know?
	That's fascinating.
	I would like to know myself, Karen.
	So hopefully somebody will pick up.
	on the whole concept and continue with it.
	My gosh, I'd like to know.
	So, very, very interesting from Karen.
	It's kind of a strange night.
	We are experiencing some pretty strange weather over here at the moment if you look at my webcam photograph.
	You'll see that we have kind of a haze, slash cloud, slash fog, kind of a very still, weird atmosphere in Manila right now, and it's all ahead of this coming typhoon, and that, you know, the calm, the proverbial calm before the storm.
	On the first time caller line, you are on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, is this Art?
	It is indeed.
	This is Ty from the state of Tennessee.
	Oh, hello.
	I've been supporting Coast to Coast.
	I love you guys for 16 years, and I'm glad to do it.
	But I have noticed recently a very disturbing trend in the direction of the show that Mr. Norrie is taking some weekdays, and it seems to be in a very Limbaugh-type direction of the direction of Jesus and political matters.
	And to me, that's just not the spirit of Coast to Coast.
	Did you say in the direction of Jesus and political matters?
	Yes, sir.
	And that's really disturbing to me.
	And I don't have anything against Jesus.
	He was a really nice guy.
	I mean, who else is going to have a supper for 13 people?
	And he only had an egg.
	And he paid for all that food.
	That's a nice guy.
	That's a nice guy.
	Well listen, it is up to George the direction into which he takes the show during the week and Coast to Coast has never, you know this is worth I guess a moment or two of conversation, but Coast to Coast has never been And nor would I want it to be a static entity.
	In other words, it's constantly changing and constantly evolving.
	And if you don't do that with a program, if you don't constantly change it and constantly evolve it, you're probably going to have people losing interest.
	Now, inevitably, any time a show takes any kind of a change, people hate change.
	They simply hate change.
	And so They react negatively because you build an audience for a certain genre, and then they react negatively when there's a change.
	But you build an audience for whatever it is that you're doing, or you don't.
	You know, you take your chances.
	Many years ago, when I began Coast to Coast AM, it was a very typical talk show.
	It was politically oriented.
	It was almost kind of like every other talk show you hear on the air.
	And what happened was, I simply got bored with it.
	You know, I was doing it six nights a week.
	Five and or at times six hours a night.
	Now that's a lot of time folks and when you find yourself doing politics again night after night after night after night it finally hit me that I was bored and so I began to slip toward the paranormal with the program.
	Now at that time the producers and the managers and owners of the program freaked out totally.
	I mean they just went absolutely berserk.
	Giving you a little history of Coast here.
	And I nevertheless went in the direction that I wanted to go, and it became, as you can see clearly now, a huge success.
	George now has the weekday program, and he is going to take it in the direction that he wants to take it.
	That is what he should do.
	And so I would hope that there would be nobody that would restrain George.
	from doing what he wants to do the only way you're ever going to be a success in life is to do what you want to do and anything else is going to be just sort of a cheap imitation of something else and that's not what you want so I would hope whatever what you know I'm not very familiar with what's being done during the week But I'm here to tell you right now that George should follow his instincts.
	And the only way he's ever going to be successful is to do exactly that.
	Follow his instincts.
	That's what I did.
	That's how we got where we are.
	From typhoon-threatened Manila, I'm Art Bell with EVP's coming up next.
	It is indeed.
	Hi everybody, how you doing?
	We're about to venture into some pretty strange territory to be sure.
	Barbara Macbeth, normally accompanied by Brendan Cook, are both members of the Ghost Investigators Society, the GIS if you will.
	The Ghost Investigators Society is a non-profit organization, means they don't make money, dedicated to the investigation Ghosts, not only do they conduct investigations, but also instruct, assist, and educate anyone who believes that they may be experiencing ghostly phenomena, or those who are just simply curious.
	In an effort to educate the public about ghosts, the GIS hopes the EVP's electronic voice phenomena
	presented will help demonstrate that the consciousness, our consciousness, does survive after our
	body dies and that these voices may help to give a different perspective about life, death
	and ghosts.
	And I would like to add here that over the years I've investigated an awful lot of things
	that relate to ghostly phenomena and I think that EVP is probably at the head of the list
	in things that convince me that this is absolutely as real as a heart attack.
	Now, I don't want you to have one, and some of what you're going to hear tonight is going to be kind of scary stuff.
	So, in a moment, Brendan Cook is not here.
	He's down, I understand, with a Horrible case of the flu.
	I know about that.
	I'm just getting over my fourth bout with either flu or colds over here
	but we do have Barbara Macbeth and so she's going to as a trooper
	And the GIS are all troopers stick with us for the next three hours of scary stuff in a moment
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	You All right, I think we're back
	We are having additional ISDN difficulties here.
	We lost it, but very quickly got it redialed, so I think we're back in business.
	Again, ladies and gentlemen, we are experiencing, very shortly here, and parts of Lausanne probably are already getting hit, With a very, very, very large typhoon with winds of up to 295 kilometers.
	If you want to see it on the website, coasttocoastam.com, there's a map.
	You can click on it, make it larger, and see for yourself what is bearing down on us very quickly.
	Well, all right.
	I would like to attempt to welcome Barbara McBeth of the GIS.
	Barbara, are you there?
	I am here.
	Oh, it's great to have you.
	I guess Brendan is what, down with the flu?
	He called me at about 7 tonight and he said, I'm sorry but there is just no way I can do this tonight.
	He did come over here earlier today and I hope I haven't caught it from him.
	I hope not, too.
	I've been battling these viruses over here since my arrival and I hope that I'm now sort of on the downside of the very last one.
	And anyway, Barbara, let's take a moment before we play anything and sort of let people know what we're doing.
	And by the way, the reference I made earlier to the live talk was the George Meeks stuff.
	I know you know all about that.
	I would recommend to anybody listening tonight That they go to the web and put in George Meeks.
	Yes.
	And read all about it.
	We have that on our website also.
	Oh, you do?
	That they can link to it.
	Okay.
	The Meeks experiment was incredible.
	It used electronics, and they had an ongoing discussion that'll raise the hair, I guarantee, on the back of your neck.
	It's a little hard to understand because it's an old recording, but oh my God, it's scary stuff.
	Wouldn't you agree?
	Um, no.
	I would not agree with it being scary.
	Well, that's because you're used to hearing from the other side.
	Yes, and I don't consider the other side scary.
	I know you don't.
	Even when the EVPs we get are scary.
	Now, electronic voice phenomena is what, Barbara, by your definition?
	Electronic voice phenomena is a voice that you do not hear at the time being recorded on either a tape recorder, a microcassette recorder, anything that records, can record EVP.
	Many times they're very low.
	If you don't have headphones, Listening to them, sometimes, you know, they're so soft and low, you would not hear it when you're reviewing it.
	All right, and so that the audience understands, the protocol you use is very stringent.
	If you're using tape, I know that you only use tape that has never been recorded on before, correct?
	That's correct.
	It's too easy for the voices to bleed into each other.
	And so we always use new tapes, although now I have graduated
	to a microcassette recorder.
	But, um.
	Digital or.
	Digital.
	Oh, congratulations.
	You finally made the jump, huh?
	Well, only because I can't find a good microcassette.
	I know there was a big debate between yourself and Brendan about the advocacy of using digital recording, but it appears as though digital recording works just fine, number one.
	It does work.
	It's very clear.
	It's a lot clearer than the tapes.
	Of course.
	Yeah, the noise floor is virtually non-existent with digital as compared to tape and so you're always having to sort of dig it out of the tape noise because it is so low, but with digital...
	Thank God.
	We eliminate a lot of the noise and so what we hear is quite a bit clearer.
	And we've been doing this through the years since you began with tape.
	Now, another important thing for the audience to know is that you don't make money doing this, right?
	That's correct.
	It costs us money to do this.
	And sometimes, you know, we drive long distances to go and conduct an investigation and we're not reimbursed for any of the costs that we incur.
	Anywhere from private residences to cemeteries to prisons to morticians' homes.
	Now, you sort of have always maintained, Barbara, that it's not that important to go to a cemetery or a place of that sort.
	And yet, almost all the places you go are places like that.
	How come?
	Well, we go to locations that have reported haunting or ghost activity.
	And those are the places that we seek out to go and record.
	And you can record any time of the day.
	It can be daylight and get phenomenal voices.
	Another thing that I'd like to urge the audience to do is try it yourself.
	Whether it's digital or whether it's tape, it doesn't matter.
	Give this a try yourself.
	So many people in the audience over the years have taken my challenge up, or your challenge, and have gone out themselves, and I get these emails back, oh my God, I tried it and I got it.
	I really got something.
	I guess you too would urge people to give it a shot, right?
	Yes, and especially if they suspect that there's activity where they live or in their workplace.
	Try it, you know, at that location and see if you can get a response.
	Most times they don't respond to direct questions.
	You know, there have been occasions where we have recorded a Well, the implication of that would be that you feel that it is a consciousness capable of responding directly to what you say.
	that they'll just drop in on our conversation that when we're talking
	between ourselves but the whole investigation we are constantly
	inviting them to come and talk with us and to be with us.
	Well the implication of that would be that you feel that it is a consciousness
	capable of responding directly to what you say. That's correct. And yet a lot of
	the other ones appear not directed to you but just sort of snatches of oh I don't
	know a conversation or a feeling or something somebody says.
	Now, here's where we get to the part where I'm not sure what we're dealing with.
	Are these the voices of people who once lived and are now dead and are spirits on the other side?
	Are they voices of ghosts that are, you know, still for some reason trapped On this side?
	Or are we hearing really from the other side, from people in heaven or hell or another dimension?
	What do you think?
	Well, this is my own opinion, but since we go to locations that do have reported haunting activity or ghost activity that people have experienced and witnessed, I believe that the voices that we record are voices of ghosts, and ghosts are the energy consciousness of someone who's lived and has had a body and has died, and are still here on this plane with us.
	Have all of these EVPs, Barbara, have they started to give you an insight into the nature of the other side?
	Yes, I believe that the majority of ghosts that we have come in contact are not happy.
	I believe that how you are in life, that Your attitude and your mental state does carry on with you after death and that does not change just because you die.
	That's really odd.
	Alright, let's give everybody a sample of what they're going to be getting tonight.
	This first, I guess the first few we're going to have were done in some kind of private residence.
	Can you tell us about it?
	Yes, there were two women that contacted us Uh, that we're having activity in their home.
	Uh, they do practice Wiccan, and, uh, I do not, and Brendan also, all the five GIS members believe that this is really not a ghost.
	Um, we believe that it is something that has entered the home from the rituals and practices that these women, you know, conduct in their home.
	In other words, you think they've opened some kind of door?
	That's right.
	And it was something that was terrifying to them.
	They were scared, very uncomfortable.
	The type of activity that was going on was not the same type of activity that we have investigated in other locations that have ghost activity taking place.
	Well, Barbara, when you open doors, things walk through, right?
	Exactly.
	Just kind of like the vampire thing, you know, when you invite something in, it might stay there longer than what you're wanting it to be there.
	Well, after this experience, Barbara, were these gals prepared to give up what they were doing?
	Did it go that far with them?
	Were they that scared?
	I don't know if it's made them aware of the possibility that they've invited this kind
	of activity in their home.
	I don't think that they had really researched what they were practicing.
	Alright, tell me about Cut One.
	Well, this first one, I was conducting an interview with them and the woman that I was talking to Had had the most physical type of activity against her.
	She had scratches on her and had been physically attacked, really.
	And I was asking her, you're going to hear me say, and what is transpiring here?
	Is it something that is fearful to you?
	And you will hear her respond, yes.
	And then this voice was recorded, I'll cut you.
	I'll cut you.
	Alright, let's see what we've got.
	Here we go.
	And what is transpiring here?
	Is it something that's fearful to me?
	Yes.
	Okay, I'm not sure about I'll cut you.
	We're going to listen to this again.
	That's what Brendan hears is, I'll cut you.
	I hear, I'll catch you.
	Either way, and it also appears or sounds like it's a voice of a child.
	What do you think?
	Yes, it sounds like a child, but I believe, in fact, the voices that we recorded at that location that night were some children, some adult men, some sounded like an old woman, but I think it was one entity.
	All right, here we go again.
	And what is transpiring here, is it something that's fearful to you?
	Yes.
	I'll catch you.
	Alright, that could easily have been I'll catch you. So I'll either catch you or cut you.
	But either way, a moment ago you said, these things are not fearful to you.
	Now, I'll catch you, or I'll cut you, even more so, How can that not be fearful, Barbara?
	Well, it is fearful if you were having physical harm caused to you, like the scratches that she had, that would be fearful.
	I'm not stupid.
	But as far as ghost activity, just typical ghost activity taking place, I have never heard of anything being It's not physically harmful to people.
	It's usually people's fear that will cause them harm and how they interpret the activity that's taking place.
	Well, you and I disagree.
	We absolutely disagree.
	I mean, this scares the hell out of me and Cut 2 is going to prove that from my point of view.
	Well, like I said, I do not believe that these were ghosts in these ladies' home.
	You think they were?
	I think that they had called something into their home that was causing the havoc that they were experiencing.
	But you said not a ghost.
	Not a ghost.
	You think it was what, then?
	I think it's the type of thing that causes possession.
	The type of entities that come to people when they're conducting seances or using a Ouija board, which I have been involved in in my past.
	As have I. I don't like Ouija boards.
	Usually most people will have a lot of trouble and the thing that irritates me the most about the Ouija board is that it's promoted as a game and it is not a game.
	Alright, again, the same two ladies.
	Now, we'll let the audience judge for themselves, but this was what, still part of the conversation, the interview you were having with these ladies?
	Yes.
	Brendan and Jenny had gone downstairs and was recording on Brendan's laptop, and Brendan asked the question while they were down in the basement, because the women were We're scared of the basement.
	They did not like it down there, the feeling down there.
	They said they would go down to do laundry and go right back up as fast as they could.
	And you're going to hear Brendan say, did you scratch that lady?
	Why would you do that?
	And the response he recorded, it sounds like to cause her pain.
	To cause her pain.
	All right, we're going to hold that No, no, let's go ahead and do it right now.
	Here we go.
	Did you scratch that lady?
	Why would you do that?
	You know clearly that said or fairly clearly anyway to cause her pain that is Nasty, that is scary, that is everything that I said that it was in my opinion.
	Here it is one more time.
	Come on, one more time.
	Did you scratch that lady?
	Why would you do that?
	Okay, there you've got it.
	To cause her pain.
	That goes to motive, that goes to all kinds of things.
	I wonder if this is not a ghost.
	I mean, after all, it's a voice just like all the others.
	That's correct.
	That is correct.
	But the only reason you classify it differently than you do the others is because, well, you had knowledge that these ladies were into Wicca and perhaps opening doors they ought not open.
	But who's to say that there's any difference at all between what we're hearing right here, which is obviously a negative kind of thing, and whatever you might classify as a ghost?
	I don't get it.
	Well, this is my own belief, just from the research that I've conducted over 50 years.
	I believe that there are different types of entities, and although some of the activity happens in different situations, whether it be ghost or demonic, evil spirit type of things.
	The results can seem similar and I think people have a tendency to confuse them.
	I see.
	All right.
	Barbara Macbeth from the GIS is with us this night.
	We're about to take a break and we're going to be hearing these voices all night long.
	Don't forget, coming up this Wednesday, for me Wednesday, Ghost to Ghost AM on Mark Bell.
	You are indeed.
	Good morning everybody, afternoon or evening, whatever the case is, wherever you are.
	We have Barbara McBeth from the Ghost Investigator Society and we're playing EVPs for you.
	Now, I know they don't scare Barbara, but they do scare me and reading ahead I can tell you there's some pretty scary stuff here.
	Don't forget, we're doing a Ghost to Ghost AM coming up for Halloween.
	Actually, in America, I think it's going to be Tuesday.
	I know that it'll be Wednesday here in the Philippines as we do it, so I'm getting ready for that.
	If you've got a good ghost story, develop it.
	Put a little outline on paper.
	That frequently helps if you've got a really good one, so that if you happen to freeze a little bit when you get on the air, that outline will be there to support you in telling your story.
	It's a great way to do it.
	In a moment we'll get back to Barbara Macbeth and electronic voice phenomena.
	Once again, Barbara Macbeth.
	Barbara, welcome back, and I think we're about to leave the residence of the two young ladies toying with a craft and move to a mausoleum or something, is that correct?
	That's correct.
	This mausoleum, we've been conducting investigations and research there for several years, and the employees have experienced a number of It's got to be creepy going to a mausoleum anyway.
	I guess not for you.
	go to bring flowers to the mausoleum to their loved ones have also experienced ghost phenomena
	inside this place.
	It's got to be creepy going to a mausoleum anyway.
	I guess not for you.
	You've hardened yourself to the point where these places just don't affect you?
	Well, I can remember the first time I went into this location, it was kind of overwhelming
	just because of the amount of bodies that are located inside and people's mementos to
	their loved ones.
	It's very sad in there to me.
	Sad.
	Okay.
	Alright, let's deal with the first one from the mausoleum.
	What have we got here?
	On this one, my husband and GIS member, Roger, had just stated, you won't hear this on this clip, but he had just stated, don't let our lights bother you, they won't hurt you.
	Referring to the flash of the cameras and the infrared and the flashlights because we wander around in there in the dark.
	And he recorded this voice that responded right after he had said that, our death gate.
	And you'll notice in this clip, it echoes.
	This voice actually echoes.
	In the mausoleum?
	In the mausoleum.
	Our voices echo in the mausoleum just because of all the marble, the floor.
	And these voices do as well now, see?
	I think that's a really interesting aspect of this voice.
	Okay, here it comes.
	Oh, isn't that interesting?
	I can definitely hear our death, but I'm not sure about Gate.
	And it also sounds like it's being whispered.
	Yes, but it was loud, though, also.
	I mean, it does sound whispery, but it was not a whispery voice.
	It was just as loud as ours.
	All right, let's try it again.
	And here it is again, folks.
	I don't like that, Barbara.
	Oh, that's one of my favorite ones, just because... No, I meant it scares me.
	There's just something about the... I don't even know what words to use, but there's something about the way it sounds that I don't like.
	It's scary.
	Well, we really don't mean to scare people.
	We are merely presenting what we have recorded.
	And that is not our intent to scare.
	Well, it's the effect, though.
	And I think that what you're doing is important work.
	I think, though, that I have a very different view of it than you do.
	For one thing, If that's the other side, if these indeed are the voices of the dead, and I can't imagine they're anything else, Barbara.
	Then I'm not so wild about the other side.
	I mean, it just doesn't sound that appealing, to be honest with you.
	When I think of heaven, I think of the traditional clouds and angels.
	It's almost a childlike view of the heart.
	Intense joy, oneness with the universe, if you want to get a little more sophisticated with it, but not what we're hearing here.
	Well, I believe that the things that you're hearing, like these voices, to me, they're almost like they don't realize they're dead, or they have not finished business that needed to be done in their life before the death took place.
	But some of them are very kind and sweet.
	Mm-hmm.
	Some of them, but not too many of them.
	I would have to guess.
	Now, maybe you bring the scarier ones to me, or the darker ones, because you know that I kind of like those.
	Or is what we've got here just typical of what you get?
	These are typical of what we get.
	Mm-hmm.
	See, that makes the other side not sound quite so appealing, as far as I'm concerned.
	Well, I think a lot of the times, you know, I've analyzed this in my head a dozen different ways.
	I think a lot of times, and you can just look at the people that you pass by and know in your daily life, a lot of people do not have a firm theological belief to set them firm.
	Where they feel confident in who they are, what they are, what they stand for, and I think that has a lot to do with how a person's mental attitude is.
	By the way, for the sake of the audience, you're in, I think you're in Utah, right?
	We're in Utah, yes.
	You're in Utah, okay.
	And I think a lot of people don't have something stable in their lives to give a firm foundation to them.
	All right.
	Once again, let's move on.
	We're still in the mausoleum, right?
	Yes, that's correct.
	This one is one of my favorites.
	You're going to hear Brendan.
	He was going down the stairs to the basement in the mausoleum.
	He was by himself.
	You're going to hear him fall, and his tape recorder goes flying out of his hands, and this woman that he recorded She is so... You can hear the concern in her voice.
	Very, very strong, her concern.
	And she asks, are you okay?
	Uh-huh.
	Alright, here we go.
	Dammit!
	Oh my God.
	Oh my god.
	That one is really something.
	So here we have Brendan clearly not just falling, but falling down some stairs in a mausoleum.
	You can hear him say, damn it.
	And that's the least of what I would have said.
	And then you can so clearly hear this woman's voice asking if he's okay.
	One more time.
	Dammit!
	Man.
	I love that one.
	Just because it shows concern.
	I can imagine you would because it shows concern.
	Yes.
	I mean she, you know, obviously she was close to the microphone where it landed because she was so loud.
	Brendan didn't hear that at the time.
	But you can really hear her concern come through her question.
	What happens, folks, is they have hours of recording at any given location, and then they, I guess, take the recorders back to a location where all the members, or as many as you can get of the GIS, sit down and listen to hours of these, looking for these voices.
	Is that about right?
	That's correct, and if you're on an investigation for two or three hours, you have at least two or three hours of audio to review, plus if there's any video, You have another two or three hours.
	It's very time-consuming.
	I want to tell the audience again, you doubt this?
	You think this isn't real?
	Take a recorder, go try it yourself.
	We've had hundreds, thousands of people do that over the years, and they get recordings more times than not.
	Now, it doesn't mean you're going to get one every time, or you may get many, but there's a very good chance that if you want to try, if you have the guts to go try this yourself, You're going to get something, right?
	That's correct.
	And you know, if you don't get anything the first time you try it, don't be discouraged because we go to locations where we have recorded ghost activity, ghost voices, and we can go back the very same night and not get a thing.
	And I don't know what the conditions are.
	We have never been able to correlate it with full moon, weather, time of day.
	Uh, so I don't know what the conditions are, but if you know of a location that does have reported haunting activity, take a recorder to that location and give it a try and see what you get.
	Alright, one more time.
	I had to do that.
	I like that one too.
	That's my very favorite.
	Maybe because it's so clear.
	Maybe so.
	I just love how you can hear her concern in her voice.
	Um, this is something that you and I have talked about over the years so many times, but we'll bring it up again.
	More than not, more times than not, for some reason these appear to be the voices of children.
	Yes, we record many children.
	Disproportionately children.
	Now, do you have, what's your best theory about why that would be?
	Because after all, Many more, I mean by percentage, certainly more older people pass on than younger.
	That's true.
	I'm hoping, and I cannot stress hoping enough, that it might be possibly the state of mind of that person, of that ghost.
	A lot of times, some of our happiest times are in childhood.
	That certainly is true.
	All right, we have one more from the mausoleum.
	Then we will leave the mausoleum and go to another happy little cemetery.
	All right, so one more from the mausoleum.
	What is this one we're about to hear?
	This one, we had been on this investigation in the mausoleum.
	We had been in there for a couple of hours, so we decided to go outside and take a break.
	We left our equipment running inside.
	You're going to hear us walking out.
	As I'm leaving, I say, we invite anyone to speak with us.
	We invite you to tell us your name and talk with us.
	I hope you'll introduce yourself.
	I'm Barbara.
	After the door closes, you will hear a woman laughing.
	A woman laughing?
	I think she was laughing at what I said.
	Uh-huh. Here we go.
	You might be able to speak with us.
	You might be able to show your name and talk with us if you introduce yourself.
	Martha.
	Uh-huh.
	Oh my gosh.
	You certainly can hear it.
	It's hard to hear.
	It's pretty far down in the noise, but listen very carefully, folks, and you can hear, again, to me, what sounds like perhaps a child's voice or a young voice, because it's very high-pitched.
	Listen.
	We invited him to speak with us.
	And he went out to the building and made a speech.
	And he was very, very happy.
	And he said, I'm going to be a lawyer.
	Okay, that really again sounds like a young voice to me.
	It's simply because the pitch is so high, Barbara.
	Yeah, it's either a woman or a young woman or a child.
	It sounds female to me.
	Uh-huh.
	So again, it's your view that as we are in this life...
	We are on that side, or at least what... And again, let's delineate, if we can, a little bit.
	Is it your view that what we're hearing are people that have not yet moved on to their ultimate destination?
	In other words, to what we would consider to be heaven or, I don't know, whatever, but they're still here on Earth?
	Yes, I believe that.
	I don't believe everybody stays as a ghost.
	I think the ones that are around that people experience are still in this realm.
	They're the ones that can make sounds appear when there's no logical explanation for footstep sounds, going down a hallway, doors opening and closing by themselves, knocking a picture frame over.
	Now, as you well know, they made a movie fairly recently about all of this called White Noise.
	What was your reaction to that movie, Barbara?
	Well, it was supposed to be about EVP, and it really wasn't.
	And how they portrayed the entities in there, if they were supposed to be ghosts, I didn't like it.
	I did not like that movie.
	I guess I kind of had the same reaction.
	Of course, you know, they were trying to produce a scary movie, and they certainly did that, but I guess you felt it wasn't fair to EVP, huh?
	It was not fair to EVP.
	They were using, like, white noise off of a television, I believe, most of the time.
	And that is not EVP.
	That's not to say that EVP cannot appear as part of white noise, right?
	That's correct.
	In fact, that was kind of the Meeks approach to it, to give the entity something to actually modulate.
	Right.
	But I can't remember the term of it now.
	If Brendan was here, he could tell you.
	He's more the tech guy.
	Alright, so now we leave the mausoleum and we're going to a cemetery.
	Where is this cemetery?
	This is an old pioneer cemetery north of our location.
	It's up in northern Utah.
	I actually had a sheriff tell me about this location, things that have been witnessed there by the townspeople.
	He was the one that Tell me about this.
	In fact, there's been occasions when we've been in this cemetery where it's a very small town.
	We've had the whole Sheriff Department, Fire Department, Forest Ranger guys.
	I think the whole town has been in there some nights with us.
	OK, I think we've got time to squeeze the first one in from the cemetery.
	So here you are in the cemetery.
	And what are we about to hear?
	Well, this was in the middle of winter, and when we go to cemeteries, we take our lawn chairs and blankets and sit there.
	Me and Jenny were wrapped up sitting on our lawn chairs with a wool blanket around us, trying to keep warm.
	And you're going to hear Jenny ask me, she says, Did you just pull down the blanket?
	And I responded, No.
	And you're going to hear a child's voice say, I did.
	And then Jenny said, did you feel like a tug?
	And I said, no.
	I never did feel anything with the blanket.
	But this was probably about 1, 1.30 in the morning when we were, when we recorded this one.
	A GIS style picnic, 1.30 in the morning in the middle of the cemetery.
	Okay, here we go.
	Listen carefully.
	Did you just put on the blanket?
	No.
	I did.
	Did you feel like a tug?
	I don't know.
	I did.
	I did.
	Now this was...
	It was the I did part that was the voice from the other side right?
	And that was clearly a child's voice.
	Alright, after the break we'll play that one again for you.
	Again, I'm chilled by the fact that there are so many child's voices involved in all of this.
	We're listening to the Ghost Investigator Society latest.
	By the way, you can get historical GIS recordings on their website.
	We'll tell you all about it.
	It is.
	A very good day to you all from here in Manila.
	To the north of us, a storm is screaming toward Luzon.
	And if you go to the Coast2CoastAM.com website, you can see its storm track and the intensity.
	It's intensifying rapidly.
	Here in Manila, we've got kind of a strange fog, haze, something ahead of the storm.
	As I mentioned earlier, kind of the, you know, the still, the quiet before the storm, if you will.
	My guest is Barbara McBeth from the GIS.
	That's the Ghost Investigator Society.
	They do recordings of, if you will, ghosts.
	Something from the other side.
	We'll get back to it if you'll just stay right there.
	Very interesting.
	Dwayne, no not Dwayne, excuse me, Dennis in Detroit, Michigan.
	Now 99.9% of the fast blasts I'm getting are commenting on what's being said by these entities and or the GIS or whatever, but Dennis in Detroit is angry and what he says is pure BS.
	I'll tell you something, a lot of times when people are frightened, they get angry.
	And their reaction to fright, their reaction to being scared, is to simply get angry.
	It's a defense mechanism.
	It happens many times when we're discussing, I've noticed that, it's an interesting psychology, when we're discussing We're hearing very frightening things on the radio.
	Some reactions are like that.
	They're just anger.
	And that is, I believe, some kind of defense mechanism.
	At any rate, I'm going to now play number six again.
	We didn't get an opportunity to repeat it, so here it is.
	Did you just pull the blanket?
	No.
	I did.
	Did you feel like a tug?
	No.
	I did.
	I did.
	Clearly a child's voice saying, I didn't.
	In other words, that was a direct response to the question Jenny was asking.
	Now, you didn't find that until hours or days later, right?
	That's correct.
	Yeah, and she, I thought it was interesting.
	We were covered with the same blanket.
	She felt the pull on the blanket where I did not feel it at all.
	So, that would imply that these entities, whatever in the world they are, are able to do physical things like pull on a blanket.
	That's right.
	They can defy a person's logic.
	They are able to do the impossible.
	Okay, you're not a young lady, are you?
	No.
	In fact, I just turned 60 this year.
	Did you?
	Yes.
	Congratulations.
	Thank you.
	I'm excited about it.
	I know a lot of people in my lifetime that didn't make it to this age.
	There you go.
	I'm 61.
	I know the feeling when you begin seeing your friends go.
	Now, let's quickly move on to number 7 because we're still here in the cemetery, right?
	Yes, and it's the same cemetery.
	This was on a different occasion, different night.
	We had someone that was not a member of the GIS with us.
	And Ginny and this person had walked off down one of the roads and Roger, my husband, had experienced something where he felt like a hand had grabbed him.
	He said he could feel the long fingers on his arm.
	Ginny, you'll hear her telling this girl that was with us that this over here is where Roger got grabbed.
	She recorded, it sounds like a young woman's voice, say, help me find my dad.
	Oh boy.
	Alright, here it comes.
	This is for over here.
	Okay.
	The watch got grabbed.
	Hello, Chris.
	Does anybody have...
	Oh boy.
	Hello, Chris.
	Does anybody have...
	Hello, Chris.
	Does anybody have...
	Oh, now Barbara, that's sad.
	I mean, that's sad.
	That's obviously a child, and that's a sad child.
	You can hear the, if you listen to the intonation of the voice, it's obviously... It's very sad.
	Some of the recordings that we get are very depressing.
	Really?
	Well, yes, and that's why I don't understand how you can come up with the positive attitude to do all of this.
	All right, here's number seven again.
	Again, listen to the intonation of the child's voice.
	How do you stay positive in the face of things like that?
	Well, it's all on my philosophy about the whole thing.
	These kind of voices, though, that sound so sad and sound so young, they have an effect on me.
	You just sort of suppress it then, in order to keep your positive attitude?
	Probably, I probably do.
	There's been occasions on some voices, I mean it actually makes me tear up.
	I have a lot of compassion for whatever entities we are dealing with.
	You have a website, right?
	Yes, it's ghostpics.com.
	That's T-H-O-S-T-P-I-X dot com and there people can hear many, many, many of these.
	Many of them done on previous programs and so forth, correct?
	Yes, but I wanted to mention on these two that we played from the cemetery just to talk about the difference in quality.
	Both of those were recorded on microcassette recorders and you can hear the noise in it So loud.
	And the digital ones are so much clearer.
	It's just unbelievable in the quality and the difference.
	There's no question about it.
	Now, I gave you the reaction of a guy from Detroit.
	He was angry.
	All he said was pure BS and he spelled it out all the way.
	I obviously won't repeat it here.
	You get a lot of email, Barbara.
	How many of them respond with anger?
	Maybe two percent.
	Most are very positive, you know, and it's alright for people to be angry.
	I understand people's fear about this subject.
	I've got relatives, they won't even listen to the show because it scares them.
	So, I understand people's fear about it.
	It's a natural human reaction.
	It's very natural and that's okay.
	You know, I'm not pushing nothing.
	I don't care if they Believe it or not.
	Well, that's true.
	You're not pushing anything.
	You don't sell anything, you haven't written.
	The temptation to write a book, to make some income from this at times must be very great.
	Well, that wouldn't be my purpose so much as to make an income from it, although I wouldn't mind that aspect, but I do, I hope To be able to write a book just about the experiences that we've encountered and be able to let people know of other people's experiences that aren't seeking out this type of thing, that just happens spontaneously.
	Although if you write a book, Barbara, there's going to be a lot of criticism.
	Then people will say, well, they're just doing this and they made it up to make money.
	Right.
	But I really do think after all the years you've been doing this, at some point down the line you really ought to write a book.
	This should be chronicled.
	That's the purpose, just because of the experiences that just the GIS alone have experienced.
	Hopefully it would be beneficial to someone further down the road when, you know, I'm ten toes up, you know.
	All right, we're going to leave the cemetery and on to another cheery little location.
	This one's said to be Deer Lodge Prison.
	Yes, and the prisons are my favorite places to investigate.
	Why?
	Well, just because of how large they are, we can really disperse from each other, where you know that you are absolutely by yourself.
	When we go to locations like that, we always have walkie-talkies with us so that we can keep in touch with each other.
	But just the immense location that we can have access to and be by yourself, it's just incredible.
	Alright, here we go.
	What have we got here?
	On this one, you're going to hear Barry say Did the guards kill you or did you kill yourself?
	He was down in a place, a location at the prison called Siberia.
	It was solitary confinement.
	But the response that Barry recorded is, it sounds like, I almost had the key.
	Let's see.
	here we go.
	Is guards killing or did you kill yourself?
	I want to say the truth.
	Oh that's extremely clear.
	Very clear.
	I hear that very clearly, and it is.
	I almost had the key, and that would be something you would imagine a prisoner would think about.
	Listen one more time, folks.
	Did the guards kill you?
	Or did you kill yourself?
	I guess you take it the same way.
	I mean, obviously something a prisoner would give his life for, possibly, getting the key, right?
	That's correct, yes.
	A disproportionate number of these tonight, it seems like to me, have been responsive.
	In other words, responsive directly to either an incident or something somebody has said.
	And that's kind of unusual, isn't it?
	Yeah, it is.
	I think that we do get responses more often than what we realize on what we're either discussing amongst ourselves or questions.
	I do think, though, the vast majority of them are not responding to a direct question that we record.
	Okay.
	I have, over the years, tried to talk you into following up on the Meeks experiment.
	That is to say, developing some way to have a real-time discourse, two-way discourse, with somebody on the other side.
	And for a while you got kind of close to it.
	You had a special recorder that somebody had built for you that would allow you to hear these things as they occurred.
	What happened with that, Barbara?
	Really, absolutely nothing.
	It's very difficult.
	I think it would take a lot of training to be able to listen to a recorder and you're there with people talking and trying to keep up with that Being able to hear something coming through at that time, although Brendan, the one that was made for us, Brendan did happen to have a recording in our house where me and Roger live.
	He thought that, well we did, we recorded a voice responding to him.
	Boy, I sure would like to see somebody pick up on that technology and run with it.
	Me too.
	You know, it's going to take somebody a lot more technically savvy than me.
	I am really not technical at all.
	Yeah, but the schematics, all the information on how to do it is on, if you just look up George Meeks on the web, you'll find it.
	Alright, on to number nine.
	We're still in a prison, right?
	Yes.
	We were talking about One of the guards that had worked on this at this prison had taken us during the day through the prison and told, you know, from a guard's point of view, things that the guards did to the prisoners.
	And this was just a little later when we were talking about the tour that he had given us.
	And Jenny, you'll hear her say, he probably did what they deserved.
	He probably gave them what they deserved.
	And she recorded this voice say, uh, we sat back to back.
	That's odd.
	All right, here we go.
	He probably did what they deserved.
	They're trying to get what they deserve.
	Any idea what that might mean, Barbara?
	Yes, the guard had told us when they would take prisoners from the cells for punishment or something, hose them off, they'd handcuff them and make them sit on the floor, handcuffed to each other back to back.
	Alright then, here it is again.
	He probably did what they deserved.
	I'm going to go into the dirt.
	Alright, there you have it.
	Now, that obviously then would be the response of somebody who had been in prison there.
	Yes.
	And again, this would mean that when you die, you remain in roughly the location in which you died.
	Is that right?
	No.
	I think some ghosts do, but there have been documented cases of someone Had died at a different location, but is haunting another location.
	I don't think all ghosts haunt the location they die in.
	I think these particular ghosts that are at this prison, they get so institutionalized.
	That's all they know.
	Um, and I can see where they would probably be there because that's where they died and that's where they live.
	That's all they knew.
	Barbara, even in real-time life here, prisoners become so accustomed to prison that some of them, when they get out, go out and commit a crime just so they can get thrown back in prison, which is the only place they know.
	That's right.
	You know, to go out, if somebody's been confined for any length of time for illness or imprisonment or whatever, it's very scary when you go out there in the world.
	In fact, at the Rawlins Penitentiary that we investigated, there was a prisoner when he was released.
	He had been in prison for 40 years.
	He was released.
	He ate lunch out there.
	They'd given him a lunch to take with him when he left.
	He sat out on the lawn of the prison and ate his lunch and went back in and asked if he could stay.
	And they allowed him to stay?
	Yes, they did.
	Alright, we're going to leave the prison and move to yet another cheery little location, this time a mortician's home.
	Is that correct?
	Yes.
	This gentleman, they lived, him and his wife lived in a beautiful new home.
	They were the first people to live in this home, but they were experiencing seeing a little boy in their house.
	And we Really had some fantastic experiences in this mortician's home and I mean some of them really just kind of border on incredible but they were very upset about it and he kind of feels too like there was something that followed him home.
	Well when you say incredible experiences, like what?
	He called me one afternoon and It was, he said they could smell sulfur in the house.
	He had gone to a priest and got some holy water and had been sprinkling it all around the house quite angrily.
	He was swearing at them, telling them to get out.
	He said that probably wasn't a good idea, doing that with the holy water.
	And all of a sudden, a sulfur smell permeated the house.
	they had to leave the house because it was so strong.
	And he called on his cell phone and asked if we could come over there as quick as possible.
	So me and Roger headed right over.
	And they had been out of the house for probably, it took us 15 minutes to get there.
	They had the door open.
	They didn't even bother closing the door.
	But when me and Roger walked in, you could still smell it.
	Um.
	You know, I can't even imagine this.
	I mean, even being a mortician, used to dealing with the dead, to have this begin to happen in your home, I would think that this mortician, and at least his wife and family, when this stuff would begin to happen, would want to get the hell out of there.
	Yeah, he was upset.
	I think he was mostly upset because it was scaring his wife so badly.
	There you go.
	He was used to that business.
	He had been born and raised in it.
	That was what his father did and his grandfather did.
	So that was something that he was used to as far as... Dealing with the dead.
	Dealing with the dead.
	His wife, however, she was a new bride to him and she was not used to this type of thing.
	I'm sure.
	All right.
	From Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell.
	We'll be right back.
	Here indeed I am and we're about to go to a mortician's home and we'll hear the EVPs gathered there.
	We're also here in the Philippines on Luzon waiting for a big scary monster of a storm and if you go to the coast2coastam.com website right at the very top you can click on the latest tracking information for that storm.
	In a moment, more EVPs.
	By the way, I don't know how many of you, I'm sure many of you have relatives and
	friends here in the Philippines.
	This storm is going to cut through just about above the middle of the island of Luzon.
	I think that it's not going to be all that bad.
	I hope it's not going to be all that bad in the Manila area.
	We're quite a distance away.
	Knock on pressed wood.
	Welcome back, Barbara.
	Thank you very much.
	Alright, so here we are in this mortician's home, and what do we get here?
	On this occasion, the GIS kind of spread out through the house, and me and Brendan proceeded to go down in the basement of the home, and you're going to hear me say, can you tell me who you are?
	My name is Brendan, or Barbara, and this is Brendan.
	And then what's interesting about this, we recorded a child that says, I'm three, and then Brendan, you'll hear him say, how old are you?
	Now, I don't know if this was coincidental that the child just said, I'm three, or if it knew that Brendan was going to ask how old he was.
	Which would indicate something about time, wouldn't it?
	Yes.
	Well, that's strange.
	Let's listen.
	Can you tell me who you are?
	My name is Barbara, and this is Brendan.
	Head on, please.
	How old are you?
	Head on, please.
	Head on, please.
	Oh, that is strange.
	And again, folks, listen to the way it comes down.
	The answer is given before the question.
	Listen carefully.
	Can you show me who you are?
	My name is Barbara and this is Brendan.
	Head on, please.
	How old are you?
	Head on, please.
	Head on, please.
	So many children.
	You know, there's something interesting.
	There was a person that emailed us and said, Maybe the reason why we record so many children is because you stop and think about how many children are neglected, kidnapped, and murdered.
	It could possibly be children that have had that situation take place.
	Well, it could be, it could be, but I don't know.
	Of all, you know, Barbara, of all the people that you would not imagine to be trapped in
	some unsavory situation, meaning not going on to whatever is next, this eternal joy in
	heaven or whatever it is, I mean the children should be well on their way immediately, not
	I believe that with you wholeheartedly.
	I do not understand why we record so many children's voices.
	Yeah, well, you get what you get, I guess.
	But it's very disturbing.
	It is, and we never allow children with us.
	If people have contacted us to do an investigation in their residence and they have children, if they are not able to Get the children out of the house to grandma's or some friends or something.
	We won't.
	Then you don't do it.
	Yeah.
	Listen, you obviously, since you have to pony up the money to go to these locations yourself, you can't go traipsing around the country.
	Do you get a lot of requests from across the country, if not across the world, to be investigating?
	And then what do you do?
	Well, you know, when we plan a trip to go at any Distance, I mean, it's like a year-long planning, saving.
	I would love to be able to conduct investigations for every request we've had.
	But, you know, every one of us have a full-time job to put food on the table and a roof over the head.
	Sure.
	And there's only so much time in the day.
	Fully understood.
	All right, on to number 11, still in the mortician's home.
	This is one of the incredible experiences that one of the members had.
	It was Brendan.
	He visually saw this child.
	He had walked into their living room area, their family room, and there was a large mirror hanging on the far wall, and it's a beautiful mirror.
	And he's standing there looking at it, and he says, is anyone here?
	And right after he asked that, he sees this child running behind him across the kitchen.
	Where he would have been running to would be into some cupboards, some kitchen cupboards and counter.
	And the child says, it sounds like he says, I'm Gabe.
	Some people hear I'm game, but I believe it says I'm Gabe.
	And then Brendan seeing this child in the reflection of the mirror, Says, no way, and then you hear this child laugh.
	Wow.
	Alright, here we go.
	Is anyone here?
	No way.
	Wow.
	No way.
	No way.
	Wow.
	No way.
	No way.
	Oh my god.
	Ha ha ha.
	That is, uh...
	That is so clear.
	So clear.
	So obviously a child.
	We will play this one more time.
	Listen very carefully.
	Is anyone here?
	No way.
	No way when he sees the child.
	That's right.
	No way.
	And that bothered Brendan.
	He said, uh, he didn't tell us about this until we came back to our house later that night.
	Um, and it's, uh, he said the way the head of this child was positioned, it almost looked like the child had a broken neck.
	The way the head was turned, looking at him, uh, He still doesn't like to talk about it.
	It's something that he has not been able to resolve in his head that he actually visually saw this child.
	That I perfectly understand.
	I'm not able to resolve a whole lot of this.
	You've obviously, psychologically, you've been able to sort of pigeonhole all of this and, I don't know, come to grips with it and not be scared by it, but I just couldn't.
	I couldn't do that, Barbara.
	Well, I think you'd have a different perspective if you were able to go out with us at one time.
	Because at the time that it is happening, most of the time you really don't realize things are going on.
	Right, sure, I understand that.
	But, you know, that's not something I'd be inclined to do.
	Anyway, let's move on.
	This is number 12.
	On this clip, you're going to hear the wife of the mortician.
	We had to ask them if they wanted to ask any questions to feel free to.
	And you're going to hear the wife of the mortician say, what's your mom and dad's name?
	And it sounds like the child responds, Oliver.
	Let's see what we hear.
	What's your mom and dad's name?
	Yeah, yeah I know.
	Yeah, that's what I get out of it, too, is Oliver.
	Now, we always wonder whether we're hearing what you tell us we should be hearing, or... You know, I do get people suggesting other things have been said, but it really does sound like Oliver.
	Let's see.
	You know, that's clearly Oliver, I think.
	Yes, that's what it sounds like to us also.
	And it's okay that people hear other things.
	The whole point of EVP is that there is a voice there that should not be there.
	Okay, now, with something like this, you've got a name.
	You've got a name, and you've got a mortician who, I mean, he could go back in his records and look for an Oliver, right?
	That's correct.
	And there are Oliver, the name Oliver, on headstones out in the cemetery and in the mausoleum.
	Oh, so you did, you do go back and investigate that kind of thing when you've got something like a name?
	Yes, but you know it would be hard to say if this is the child that belongs to any of them.
	Gosh.
	You know it's so, I mean it's just Speculative on this whole thing.
	That's why I'm very leery of people who classify themselves as experts in this because there are so many unknowns.
	Yeah, there are none.
	You're as close to an expert, I think, as anybody could find.
	You've been doing this for more years than I know of anybody else who's been doing it.
	It's always been a subject that's just fascinated me.
	I can't Really get enough of it.
	It's just fascinating to me.
	It's like communicating with a different life form.
	Yes.
	When did you begin all this?
	Well, my grandparents were spiritualists and I was raised in a very active home that had a lot of activity all the time.
	It's something that I continued to conducting seances in growing up and So I'm kind of I was kind of born into this type of thing but the subject has always just fascinated me and Well, I guess I meant when did you begin with EVP?
	Oh probably in the last It's been within 10 years Last 10 years.
	All right.
	All right.
	Still in the mortician's home, we've got number 13 coming up.
	On this one, you're going to hear the mortician going on our cue of, you know, if there's a question you want to ask.
	He picked up one of his little son's toys and said, here, buddy, and set it on the floor.
	And we recorded this child saying, I see.
	Good, good.
	But what I hear is, I see, okay, okay.
	Either way.
	All right, here it is.
	Hey, buddy.
	I see, okay, okay.
	Oh, I hear good.
	I see, okay, okay.
	I see, okay, okay.
	Oh, that's scary as hell.
	So again, so that people understand what they're hearing, this is the mortician, if I heard correctly, taking a toy and putting it on the floor?
	Yes.
	And then the child's response is, I see, gosh, that does sound like good.
	And you hear what?
	I hear K, okay, you know, like it's saying okay, but K, K. That's not what I hear at all.
	Here we go.
	Hey buddy.
	Let's be...
	Great.
	Great.
	Let's be...
	Great.
	Great.
	Let's be...
	Great.
	Great.
	Oh, that one's freaky.
	Let's be...
	Great.
	Great.
	Let's be...
	Great.
	Great.
	Let's be...
	Great.
	Great.
	Let's be...
	Great.
	And to me, it's good.
	Clearly, it's good, the child is saying.
	Most people hear the good, good, but I hear okay, okay.
	I tried to hear okay, and I clearly heard good.
	That's amazing.
	Just amazing.
	I just, I'm at a loss to, I'm just not, I'm just not understanding how this cannot be freaking you out.
	It just doesn't.
	I don't, it's nothing that I fear or I have never been rattled by anything that I've come in contact with.
	Okay.
	But that doesn't mean, you know, I might be so thick-headed that, you know, that might be the reason why.
	Barbara, maybe it's your own protective mechanism, you know?
	Maybe so.
	I mean, I'm open to possibilities, but I do not fear this, and it's just something... Well, I think personally that's one.
	That's just my opinion.
	I think it's your own protective mechanism, because if you didn't think as you think about these, then I don't think you'd be able to continue to do it.
	Well, that's possible.
	But I've always had this outlook, and I feel like I am stronger than anything I'll come up against.
	Have you had any previous members of the GIS who have just become, I don't know what the word is, so freaked out they just gave it up?
	Yes.
	I've known people that have been like that, yes.
	I can't imagine doing this and being fearful of it.
	If I was afraid of it, I would not do it.
	Well, I'm with you there.
	And that's just my opinion.
	I think you've built this protective mechanism in the way you think about all this that does allow you to continue to do it, which we're going to do right now with number 14.
	All right.
	This was located, it's called the Exchange Building.
	It's been numerous things over the years.
	Um, it has, uh, it was, it sat for at least 20 years vacant and then, uh, the recent, uh, owner of this location has allowed us to go in.
	It was a mental hospital at one time.
	It originally was built for stock exchange.
	There was a bank inside, uh, offices that had a cafe down in the basement.
	Um, but there's a very oppressive feeling in this building.
	Um, It just makes you wonder what has taken place through the years.
	Yeah, and you say at one time it was a mental hospital.
	Do you think that most of these EVPs that came from this hospital, previous hospital or exchange, are from the mental hospital part of it?
	No, it's strictly a guess.
	I could not tell you honestly if that's the case.
	I don't know.
	But there's a lot of history to this building and it's been many things over the years.
	Okay, number 14 is what?
	Brendan, you'll hear him, he dropped his recorder as he's walking in and he says, oh that can't be good.
	And this woman, you can kind of hear the disgust in her voice and she says, he broke my neck.
	Oh, here we go.
	Oh, I can't do this.
	Oh, boy.
	That is, uh, chillingly clear.
	Very clear.
	And on these you're going to, I want you to be aware that on these last clips from the exchange building we were using a condenser microphone and a laptop to record.
	Okay.
	So the clarity is very Very good and it picks up very good, you know, almost too good.
	It picks up every little sound.
	And here it is again.
	Oh, that can't be good.
	Hmm, that can't be good.
	She sounds very put out.
	She sounds very put out indeed.
	I don't know.
	The ones we're doing tonight are by far, I would say, the clearest that we've ever aired.
	Do you agree with that?
	I believe so.
	Yeah, we tried to pick out some good ones for the show.
	Well, you sure did.
	This is one situation, normally I will let the board ops back in California handle this for me, but because of the timing involved in what we're doing here, they actually sent me the CD, so I'm actually in control of it here.
	This is extremely interesting.
	I think we can get one more in.
	No, we can't.
	Before the top of the hour.
	No, we can't.
	So anyway, an exchange building, a mental hospital, and some pretty rough stuff coming up.
	Barbara, are you going to continue doing this?
	Yes.
	Whether we're as GIS or just Barbara and Roger by themselves, I will continue doing this.
	All right, Barbara, stand by and we'll catch you on the flip side of this hourly break.
	Barbara is a member of the GIS, that's the Ghost Investigators Society, and what you're hearing tonight are voices from the other side.
	We are going to begin taking calls shortly, so if you want to line up and you have a question for Barbara about what you've been hearing tonight or about EVP, we're going to be all ears.
	We've got a few more EVPs to get under our belt before we do that, but we'll try and clear those up quickly.
	Don't forget folks, Tuesday, Tuesday night, I'll be here live, storm, typhoon permitting, with our annual Ghost to Ghost program.
	That's not a trifling matter and so I'm asking you now to begin sort of gathering your stories together and kind of putting together how you're going to tell them and that sort of thing.
	We're going to be screening carefully because we want nothing But the best, the scariest, perhaps entity attacks, that sort of thing, that's what we're going to be looking for.
	After all, it is Halloween.
	Barbara Mcbeth will be right back.
	Once again, we're in a mental hospital exchange, if you will, at one point, but also at one
	point a mental hospital.
	My guest is Barbara Macbeth, and we're playing electronic voice phenomena, or voices from the other side, if you will, and if you want to get angry at it and say it's BS and just not listen, that's your choice.
	But I have become Convinced over the years, and particularly with the group that we're talking with right now, that what you're hearing is a real thing.
	What you want to believe it is or isn't is up to you.
	But it's absolutely the real thing.
	Barbara?
	Thank you for saying that.
	Well, it's just simply because I believe it.
	It's that simple.
	We should move quickly.
	We have a few to go here and some rough ones from what I can see.
	Number 15.
	Okay, on this one, we had just put the laptop in a room with the condenser mic and had left the building.
	And so, when Brendan came across this, he was looking at a visual screen on the computer, going back over for voices, and this thing had a spike in it.
	So, there was nothing said before this clip.
	It was quiet.
	Uh, and also, this voice is not looped, uh, like the other ones that we've previously listened to.
	Uh, this little, it's a little child, and we're not sure, it either says, he cut my face, or he touched my face.
	But he can, he goes on and on, and you can hear the stress in his voice.
	Here we go.
	Yeah, I hear it all right.
	What is that noise, that humming noise that's with this one?
	I'm really not sure what it is, Art.
	We did hear that.
	It is there, but I don't know what that is.
	It must have been something, some machine or something that was causing the vibration.
	Anyway, here it is again, folks.
	That's absolutely disturbing.
	Yes, that is.
	Every voice that we recorded in this place is disturbing.
	All right, on to number 16.
	All right, on this one...
	We recorded a voice that says, I will kill you bastards.
	And then you're going to hear Brendan come into the room and say, OK, I will go see how much time is on the laptop.
	Here we go.
	go.
	I don't see how that fits in even to your little protective mechanism, Barbara.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	You want to explain that?
	Well, we've recorded several things that sound threatening.
	There's no denying that, but we've never had any harm come to us.
	I would certainly put this in the threatening category.
	Here it is again.
	Okay, I'm going to see how much time is on the left.
	All right, number 17.
	On this one, we had brought a friend of ours along with us named Lee.
	Brendan thought Lee was right with him.
	And you're going to hear Brendan say, Hey, Lee.
	And then he discovers Lee isn't with him.
	And he says, Lee's name again.
	And we recorded this child that says, I'm hungry.
	We do bring food and drinks with us.
	So maybe he was looking at what we'd brought.
	Well, you know, on Halloween, Barbara, the Filipino people take food to their dead relatives.
	Yes, and we bring food offerings also when we go to locations.
	But what does food have to do with a spirit that no longer has a body?
	All right, here it comes, number 17.
	Hey, Lee?
	Lee?
	I'm in a club, Lee.
	That's clear as can be.
	I'm hungry or something hungry.
	What's a spirit doing hungry?
	I think that that's something that is in memory that it enjoyed.
	You don't stop your cravings and things just because you're dead.
	You still have the mental wants of things that you did in life.
	Well, they damn well better sell cigarettes up there, then.
	Very funny.
	Number 18.
	Okay, on this one, you're going to hear Brendan say, okay, this is our second recording from the building.
	We are now getting ready to leave.
	And this voice comes in and says, it's dead.
	Great.
	Here we go.
	Okay, this is our second recording from the pit.
	We are now getting ready to leave.
	It's dead.
	I think it's saying it's dead.
	One more time.
	Okay, this is our second recording from the pit.
	And we are now getting ready to leave.
	It's dead.
	Hang on.
	It's dead.
	It's dead.
	I wouldn't want to be in an 18-wheeler just flying across somewhere in the middle of the country in the middle of the
	night listening to this.
	Huh.
	God.
	Yeah, it's dead.
	I guess it said it's dead.
	I hear he's dead, but... Either way, something's dead.
	Dead, yes.
	Okay, number 19.
	On this one, you'll hear Brendan say, hello, is anyone here?
	And I believe this is a child responding and it says, it's cold, it's cold.
	I don't like that.
	Here we go.
	Hello, is anyone here?
	Oh, water.
	That one really bothers me.
	We once had one, I remember, that said it's dark.
	Yeah.
	It's dark in here, or something like that.
	But this one, it's cold.
	And if there's anything I don't want to imagine that it is on the other side, and that's cold.
	Oh, God.
	Against my better judgment, I will do that one again.
	Here we go.
	Hello, is anyone here?
	Alright, this is Halloween stuff all the way.
	We only have one more to go and then we're going to let the audience ask you some questions and judging from what I can see on the board there, everybody wants to.
	So what do we have?
	What is the final one?
	On this, this was set up in a room by itself.
	We had left the building and This building has not had running water to it for at least 20 years.
	I believe there still is not running water in this.
	But you're going to hear water, and it's a child that says, I can't breathe.
	And the whole segment is like 15 seconds.
	Oh, you know, I think I remember.
	Did we do this?
	We did this on a previous show, right?
	We thought we'd add this for the Halloween show.
	Oh, I see.
	Yeah, this is very disturbing.
	This water clip is very disturbing.
	Alright, here it comes.
	I'm going to be using a pair of scissors.
	And I'm going to cut the end of it.
	I'm going to cut the end of the piece.
	I'm going to cut the end of the piece.
	And I'm going to cut the end of the piece.
	And I'm going to cut the end of the piece.
	Whew!
	No question, there was sure a lot of water there.
	Yes, and there really is no, there's a well down in the basement.
	Yes.
	That has a lid over the top of this well, and the water is very clear in it.
	As far as I know, there's never been anybody dive down in this well, but there's like metal platforms I could see when I shine the flashlight looking down in this whale
	and I don't know how anybody could get down to the bottom with the stuff that
	they have inside this whale.
	Barry from Vancouver BC says come on Art EVP is dangerous.
	Dangerous because it opens portals, kind of like a Ouija board.
	Now, that's something to consider.
	Even seeking EVPs, playing EVPs, doing this program, isn't it possible that it is dangerous?
	Well, if it is, I haven't come up against it yet.
	I don't believe that it is dangerous unless somebody kind of weak-minded that's open to possibilities of happening.
	But I don't look at it as the same thing as a Ouija board.
	Hey, how's it going?
	Let's take some calls.
	First time caller on the line, Matt in Colorado.
	You're on with Barbara McBeth.
	Hi.
	Hey, how's it going?
	You guys don't know how long I've been wanting to talk to y'all, man.
	I have a question and a comment.
	And I do have a story if you have time.
	Well, I don't know about the story, but let's have the comment and the question.
	Okay, the question would be, I have a friend that has a Nord Lead 2 keyboard, and it comes up with some algorithms that are amazing as far as, I mean, it's almost as if they're opening a portal to the ghost world, and I'm curious what you guys might have to say on something like that.
	I mean, as far as, like, you know, on the EVPs and all that, like, how would they, you know, does that actually connect with the ghost?
	And does that actually, like, connect with the ghost, you know, as far as any kind of way that they're, you know, that they're clicking in, you know, to pick up signals?
	I'm not sure I understand the nature of the question, actually.
	I'm not either.
	I don't understand what he...
	But there's nothing, these again are recorded on either a digital or a tape device, one of the two, mostly digital in the last year or two.
	And they come randomly, although I must say that a lot of the ones we've had tonight appear to be direct responses or, you know, fairly direct responses.
	So I'm sorry, but I just didn't understand that question.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Barbara McBeth of the GIS.
	Hello, George.
	George is not here, sir.
	I'm Art Bell.
	I beg your pardon, Art Bell.
	It's an honor to talk to you.
	I've been listening for 10 years.
	Listen, I'm an American Yankee.
	Don't worry about that typhoon.
	I lived through Katrina and Rita.
	Everything's going to be okay.
	My question for Barbara, I found your site because of Coast to Coast AM, and I was wondering Um, the one that scares you the most, and the ones that make you laugh the most, and I'll tell you the one that scares me the most.
	I've listened to the entire EVP gallery, Miss Barbara, and the one that says, Am I dead?
	And I just want you to... That scares you the most?
	That's the one that, it just jumps out at me.
	Okay.
	Listen to the gallery all the way through, the EVP gallery at ghostpix.com.
	And this has been for about two years.
	And it's just like, am I dead?
	Yeah, I know.
	I recall that one myself.
	Okay, Barbara, it's a good question.
	What has humored you the most or scared you the most?
	Boy, there really hasn't been any that have scared me.
	There's been some that have bothered me.
	Um, that would, that would really be a difficult one too.
	The one that amazed me the most was the ones with, uh, I don't know if you recall Art, but, uh, the ones with the pipes rattling, we could hear the pipes.
	Um, and we had recorded right before the pipes had started, uh, making the rattling sounds.
	We had recorded a voice that said, make the pipes do it now, and then shortly after that voice was when we were able to hear the pipes start.
	And we had recorded in that building over a hundred times, and we had never heard that before or since.
	Okay, and if you want to listen to these yourself, folks, GhostPix.com is the place.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Barbara McBeth.
	Oh, so great to get through, especially With Barbara McBeth on as well, and Mr. Art Bell.
	I'm born and raised New Orleans.
	I also, as your previous caller, survived both Katrina and Rita in the cities, and that makes me an evacu-wee-wee.
	Thank you.
	Now, I'm wondering, I'm born and raised New Orleans.
	I'm wondering, ma'am, if you and your team have gotten into New Orleans to discover this genre, and if not, when?
	And if so, I want to hear it.
	You are in my family's home area.
	My family is from Gonzales, Louisiana, which is between New Orleans and Baton Rouge.
	And I've been down in Louisiana many times throughout my life, but we have never conducted an investigation there.
	That is one of my goals, is to get down there, and because I'm aware of a lot of places I would like to go and investigate, but I've never done an investigation there.
	Pretty haunted state, to be sure.
	Yes, it's a wonderful state.
	I love it, but we've never... When you all go on vacation, wherever it is that you go on vacation, Barbara, do you always carry your gear with you?
	Yeah, we do.
	When just me and Roger go on a little weekend jaunt or something, we always take our equipment with us.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Hold tight.
	Barbara McBeth is my guest.
	Brendan is down with a pretty hard case of the flu.
	But what a night it's been.
	If you've got questions about what you've been hearing, assuming you've made it this far, and that's quite an assumption, we'll be right back.
	Remember I said a little while ago, imagine trucking across the country and hearing something like this in the middle of the night.
	James, trucking through Georgia, says, this is fascinating.
	Theory about why so many voices seem childlike could be that when you're dead, you're no longer tied to conventional space-time and can revert to whatever age you want to.
	Maybe, James, your theory as good as any other.
	Barbara Mcbeth will be right back All right Wayne in
	Exeter California says GR. I hope What we're hearing though those things we're hearing are
	latent energy patterns being replayed somehow I'd really hate to think there's no more justice and compassion in the next life than there is in this one.
	I agree with that Barbara.
	I do too.
	Everything about EVP is theory.
	It's quite exciting with the technology being developed today.
	No matter, if they do find out and get a definite answer on what these voices are, I hope I'm alive to learn it.
	Me too.
	I know what they aren't, and in the beginning when we started dealing with EVP, we thought, oh well, maybe it's some radio station, you know, and it's somehow getting into the recorder, and it's obviously not anything of that sort.
	That's correct.
	Whatever it is, it's real.
	Well, I don't know, Art.
	It's kind of a sad situation for many souls.
	It is.
	Alright, here we go.
	A lot of people want to talk to you.
	Let's go to the wildcard line and say hi.
	You're on the air with Barbara.
	Hi Art, this is Jody from Rochester, Minnesota.
	Yes.
	Hi Barbara.
	I've got actually an experiment that you guys may want to try.
	How about getting somebody that can do an out-of-body experience and actually go up to the tape recorder and try to talk to it?
	Well, I know that there are people that are able to do that almost on command.
	I don't... I would have to definitely know that the person that we would bring with us to try that...
	I can actually do it.
	You would not have to bring them with you, Barbara.
	People who can travel out of their body are able to astrally travel and go any place they want.
	So all you'd have to do is arrange with somebody to have a recorder running at a certain time and give it a shot.
	It's an interesting idea.
	Yes, it is.
	But myself, I would have to know that person is definitely able to do that.
	That's one way to find out, that's for sure.
	East of the Rockies in Roanoke, Virginia.
	Robert, you're on the air with Barbara.
	How you doing tonight, Art?
	Just fine, sir.
	Barbara, this is a fascinating show because I have an account I'd like to relate to you and maybe something that might help you in your studies on this.
	Yes.
	This was back about 30 years ago.
	I was getting ready to do some Christmas promotion for a station here.
	and i was doing the voiceovers and the promotion and in my house
	and i usually do my work late at night when it's very quiet and uh... art if you remember the old sony tc six thirty
	real to real of course
	but uh... fantastic recorder and i was using one of those it was a real to real
	which has found on sound and sound with sound and has a built-in echo plex
	and uh... you depending on the speed of the tape you can talk
	and then you can get either get maybe a uh... seven second delay or thirteen
	second delay when the paper roll back And this was at Christmas time and I had a little Christmas tree in my house and Christmas cards and everything around and I was getting ready to do this voiceover.
	I reached over to get my, and I smoked too, I reached over to get my cigarettes and I heard back through the, you can get a wet or a dry mix on these recorders.
	I heard back through the recorder, I heard a child's voice, a little girl's voice that said, who's here?
	Then there was about a two second delay and it was like there was excitement in her voice that said Christmas.
	And there was, this was late at night, 12 o'clock.
	I don't have any children.
	There was no children in the house.
	And I turned around quick.
	You just got a spontaneous EVP in a way that you could hear it.
	That's an amazing story, sir.
	with me. No one there. I flipped the recorder off, played it back, and it was just as clear
	as a bell, just like I'm hearing tonight.
	Well, there you go. You just got a spontaneous EVP in a way that you could hear it. That's
	an amazing story, sir. Thank you. Thank you very much.
	And that's exactly what he got, was an EVP.
	First time caller line?
	No, no, no, no.
	I'm sorry.
	Wildcard line.
	Valerie in Pennsylvania.
	You're on with Barbara.
	Yes, Art.
	I've had a question I wanted to ask Barbara for a long time.
	I think that if I were going to go and record EVPs, I would go to a local cemetery and probably end up with, you know, my relative's grave.
	Have they ever recorded an EVP Did they recognize the voice on?
	We did on one occasion.
	The voice really wasn't the sound of our friend.
	He had committed suicide in his family's garage.
	But we did record a voice in the house.
	The family had called us to come and investigate because there was ghost activity taking place and they thought it might have been our friend.
	I believe that you have made a pact, haven't you Barbara, to attempt yourself to create an EVP when you pass?
	Yes, I would love to be able to do that.
	If I have a choice at all, I will do it.
	But how this voice responded to my husband was exactly the same way this friend of ours did when he was alive.
	It was his And what he said I can't repeat because of the language, but it was... Oh, and that brings up another topic.
	How many EVPs are not airable because of the language?
	Really not a big percentage of them.
	We have recorded, you know, some bad language, but the majority is not like that.
	Okay, all right.
	We don't have a lot of time.
	On the international line from London, England.
	Nick, you're on the air.
	Hiya, it's great to speak to you.
	I've got a question for Barbara.
	Does she have any ideas for new devices to record EVPs in the future?
	Are they investigating any new ideas or following any sort of intuitions they may have about how to go?
	Okay, well, of course, Nick, they've made the transition from analog to digital, but beyond that, Barbara, anything else on the horizon?
	Well, it would be depending on what we can afford.
	There's a lot of equipment out there I know that we could be using, but it's what we can afford.
	Money, money, money, sure.
	That's what it comes down to.
	West of the Rockies, Phoenix, Arizona, Robert.
	Art, it's a pleasure to speak with you again, finally.
	And you, sir.
	Byron, is it possible to record I guess family EVP in a place that you've never lived in before.
	And well, I went blind three years ago.
	And ever since then, I have been visited by family members, animals, you know, whatever.
	And I'm just curious.
	I mean, I don't consider them haunting.
	I'm just curious, though, as to whether these spirits would have followed me here to Phoenix And whether or not it would be possible to record them if they were so inclined.
	Yes, I believe it would be.
	If you have family members that are attached to you or are looking over you as type of a guardian angel type of thing, I believe that that would be possible and you might want to try that.
	Okay.
	In other words, why not?
	Here's to the Rockies.
	Matt in Iowa, you're on with Barbara.
	Barbara, nice to speak with you two again.
	Thank you.
	And just before I get on with my question for you guys who haven't tried this, it does work.
	It does come back real.
	So my question tonight was, has any of you ever been on a site, whether it be a cemetery or whatever, and played it back to someone and able to identify the voice?
	Well, we just sort of answered that one.
	There was only one instance of that, right, Barbara?
	Yes, and it did not sound like him, except for the way, the words and the way he spoke.
	It sounded like our friend.
	But the voice itself did not sound like him.
	Okay.
	Wild Card Line, Paula in Florida.
	You're on with Barbara.
	Yeah, hi, hon.
	Hey, Barbara, I've listened to you before, and something strange has really happened to us.
	After I listened to you one night, got on the tape recorder and I started talking to my little
	grandson, because he passed away, and so I said something to him and I just let the tape run
	and then I played it back and he said, talk to me. And then my granddaughter's sister, she saw my
	father-in-law here, my brother-in-law's been here, and I began to wonder, do we
	really go to the other side?
	Well, any theory that you'd have would be just as good as anybody else's. I do think that there
	are times when family members come to us for certain reasons, but I don't believe that they,
	this is just my own belief now, I don't believe that they always stay as a ghost.
	A ghost is usually experienced by many different people over a period of time.
	There's been recorded, documented hauntings that have taken place for hundreds of years in certain locations.
	I would hate to think that my loved ones were stuck here as ghosts.
	Well, as many people as you have taped, I'm just beginning to wonder.
	Especially the children.
	Yes, I know.
	That's what got me upset.
	It is upsetting, because it's just thrown my perception of what happens to little children right out the window.
	Well, I know I even got him on film.
	I filmed him in the kitchen, in his room.
	I mean, other people seeing him here, I mean, I'm really beginning to wonder what's going on.
	Yeah.
	Did he live there at that location?
	Yeah.
	Did he?
	Yeah, all of them did.
	Well, there might be a reason why they're staying.
	If I were you, I'd record and see if you can get some answers on why they're there.
	Yeah, that's what I'm doing.
	Yeah, I'm charging batteries from my recorder right now.
	Okay, well listen, good luck and please let us know.
	Thank you so much.
	Right, right.
	Please let us know how you do.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Barbara Charlie in Crystal River, Florida.
	Or California.
	Florida!
	Hello, Art.
	Hello, Barbara.
	Hello.
	Congratulations, Art, on your new one on the way.
	Thank you.
	You're going to need a new hobby very soon.
	I think Barbara has brought it to you.
	Three shows ago, when Barbara was on, her husband made some very interesting comments that you went, Oh, I didn't know that.
	Oh, I didn't realize that.
	And I have a radio trained ear and the Recordings that were made with laptops, with a wide open mic, not in voice activated mode, recorded some traffic in the background.
	And I said, that's conversation.
	And so I downloaded the show, I isolated that, I filtered out all of the audible, recognizable voices, and sure enough, there is conversation Well, that's as good a guess as any.
	I mean, we're all guessing about what this is.
	different dimension, if you will. And what I think is happening is that what
	you're hearing that we can understand are burst transmissions from another
	dimension. Well that's as good a guess as any. I mean we're all guessing about what
	this is. We have no idea what it is. Nobody can say with any surety what
	we're hearing or that is to say where it's from, but it's real.
	Whatever it is, it's real.
	In other words, you're not hearing some fake baloney.
	You're just hearing something that's real, and it's going to leave... every show leaves everybody wondering what it is.
	Yes.
	We just... We don't know.
	We just have no idea.
	I could give you some Any kind of explanation, but I would be wrong in doing that and, you know, stating it for a fact because we really don't know.
	Mike in Iowa, you're on the air with Barbara McBeth.
	Hello.
	Hi, thanks for taking my call.
	Barbara, I had a question regarding your recording techniques.
	Do you know if you use 24-bit depth or is that 16?
	We use 16.
	Okay.
	Would it be possible to do 24-bit?
	That would probably give you a higher dynamic range if you tried that.
	That would be up to Brendan.
	He's the one that transfers the stuff from our recorders and into the files.
	But we will, I'll tell you what, we'll be sure it gets passed on.
	How's that?
	Okay.
	All right, thank you very much and take care.
	Moving quickly to the wildcard line, Matthew in Fresno, California.
	How you doing, Barbara?
	I have a question.
	My question was, can someone curse another person with these entities?
	And the reason I ask that is because of certain experiences I had while I was with a certain girlfriend of mine.
	And when you guys are talking about the food, bringing food, in her religion, when someone died, they would bring food and money to a funeral and they would burn it.
	And that would supposedly go up to the spirits.
	And my question was, can someone else curse you?
	Because I feel like I had been cursed by this person's grandmother.
	And there were certain experiences that had occurred since that time.
	Alright, so can somebody curse you?
	You mean a living person or a spirit?
	Can a person control these ghosts?
	I myself do not believe that that situation would be ghosts.
	I think that that would be a Completely different kind of entity.
	Okay.
	East of the Rockies.
	Not a lot of time.
	You're on the air with Barbara McBeth.
	Is this East of the Rockies?
	That's it.
	All right.
	Robin, I think.
	Yes.
	I have a short story and a question.
	I'm disabled and I was coming down the steps and looking for stuff and I had my robe on one arm and shoulder and the other arm was off.
	I went to the bedroom to look for things.
	And what I thought was my husband went to help me get the other arm on.
	And I turned around to thank him.
	And he's at the end of our long haul.
	He had just finished washing dishes in the kitchen.
	And I was shocked, because I thought it was him.
	And I just thought, what happened here?
	And I said, were you just here?
	And he said, no.
	I said, you're not going to believe this, but somebody tried to help me get on my robe.
	And it wasn't him and it wasn't me and we're the only two people here.
	And I was just curious if this entity, which I've never felt threatened, but I've always been telepathic and felt the presence, could become more menacing.
	And I was curious about EVPs or if I should just stay out of that realm.
	That would really be up to you.
	I mean, if you feel like you could handle more than what took place there, Um, you know, go for it.
	If it's something that's fearful to you and might cause you some fright and discomfort in your home, I would recommend you stay away from it.
	Good advice.
	First Time Caller line, you're on the air with Barbara McBeth.
	Hi.
	Hello, Art.
	Yes, hello.
	Hi, you're the best, man.
	Um, I wanted to have a thought about the children.
	Maybe you have to learn about death.
	Before he can pass over?
	Oh, that's a good comment.
	I agree with you.
	And a question for Barbara.
	Have you ever heard any other languages than English?
	Yes.
	Oh, that's a good one.
	Yes.
	Yes, we have.
	We've recorded Spanish.
	Other recordings, we've recorded what sounds like German or a derivative of German.
	But obviously, for the purposes of a broadcast show, we're not going to play those because it's hard enough to hear in English, right?
	That's correct.
	But yes, we have.
	Although, I must say, tonight's EVPs have been disturbingly clear.
	Well, Barbara, we've done it again.
	The website is ghostpics.com, right?
	Yes, and thank you for having me on, Art, and I want to wish you and your listeners Happy Halloween.
	Thank you, Barbara, and good night.
	Good night.
	OK, folks, the typhoon permitting.
	We will be here tomorrow night and, of course, Halloween Eve for the traditional Ghost to Ghost program from Manila, Philippines.
	I'm Art Bell.

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