Art Bell, filling in from Manila’s 19th floor after a 5.6-magnitude quake, debates global warming with climate scientist Dr. Roy Spencer, who disputes human causation, citing 1930s Arctic warmth and satellite data while criticizing Kyoto Protocol politics and NASA’s media restrictions. Callers speculate on invisibility tech—from haunting North Korea’s dictator to "Dexter"-style killings—while one accuses Bell of demonic ties, linking earthquakes to moral decay. Troy, a UCF physics student, reveals current invisibility limits, hinting at classified breakthroughs. The episode blends fringe theories with skepticism, leaving listeners questioning both climate narratives and the plausibility of hidden tech. [Automatically generated summary]
From the Southeast Asian capital city of the Philippines, Manila, good day, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, whatever the case may be, wherever you are, I'm Art Bell, filling in for George Norrie, who is taking a well-deserved night off.
My God, if you'd ever done five or six nights of talk radio a week, you would understand how much occasionally you need a little time off.
So I am here to fill in for George tonight.
Now, I've got a few things that I want to cover before we get to our first hour guest.
We can play pretty fast and loose here because we've got open lies after Roy Spencer.
He's going to be here talking about our climate.
So just a few things I want to cover.
Number one, my webcam photograph tonight is an interesting one indeed, at least for me, and perhaps for some U.S. amateur radio operators.
You know, I'm a ham radio operator.
And as you can see, by the way, my webcam is in a different place.
You'll see at the top of the website, coastcoastam.com, it says ours webcam.
It's usually over on the left-hand side right now tonight.
They stuck it at the top.
Now, that is my lifetime membership in something called Para, the Philippine Amateur Radio Association.
And I hope that's what you're getting.
That's not what I'm getting, but I hope that's what you're getting.
That's what I put up there.
Now, as you can see, I am DU1W60BB.
How about that?
Pretty cool.
I'm very proud of that.
So licensed by reciprocal agreement now to operate here in the Philippines.
Next step, put up an antenna.
Easier said than done.
We're on the 19th floor.
That's just one floor from the roof of a building here.
And speaking of the 19th floor, last night, I forget the time, but it was pretty late, you know, 1 o'clock or 1.30 in the morning or 2 o'clock, something like that.
Anyway, we had an earthquake.
Now, it rocked and rolled.
This was about only a 5.6, something like that, about 90 miles south of Manila.
But on the 19th floor of the building, now they even felt it down on the main floor.
But up here on the 19th floor, it was kind of like an amusement park ride.
The building, of course, is modern and meant to withstand that sort of thing, but it still had the amusement ride kind of feeling to it, if you follow me.
The back and forth.
You know, we're 200 feet in the air, swaying back and forth.
Hmm, isn't this fun?
Aaron came running in and said, oh, my God.
And I said, no, it's just an earthquake.
It'll be all right.
And it took a while to settle down, and we rocked back and forth for a while.
So there you have it.
Here's something I want to cover.
This is very important, unbelievable.
The internet hoax, the horrible hate, the Filipino hate letter that has circled the world more times than commercial airliners put together, has once again circled the world.
But unfortunately, and here's where I'm going to need your help, as you can see by clicking on it, the damnedest thing has happened.
It seems as though another newspaper here in the Philippines, another newspaper here in the Philippines, has decided to just pluck this article off the internet and print it in their newspaper.
So just a couple of days ago, this was printed in the Baha'i Chronicle, B-O-H-O-L Chronicle.
And you can read this hate letter.
Of course, I did not write it.
Now, there is something you can do for me.
If you'll note at the bottom of this horrid little piece of garbage that somebody wrote, and by the way, just a little history.
This years ago was traced by the FBI to somebody who sent it from a computer at UCSD, the University of California at San Diego campus.
Somebody went into the library many years ago and sent it out under my name, and it's gone around the world a million times.
And now this newspaper has decided to me, I mean, the Philippine Inquirer, which was the big national newspaper here in Manila, did that years ago, picked it up and just published it without checking anything.
If they'd gone to Google and put in Philippine hate letter or letter and Art Bell, they would have known it was false.
If they'd gone to my website, they would have known it was false.
If they'd done almost any checking at all anywhere, they would have known it was false.
But no, they just plucked it off the internet and printed it as though it were truth.
Now we have demanded a retraction.
But in the meantime, at the bottom of this horrid little letter, just printed, you can check the date yourself, there is an opportunity for people to give feedback.
Feedback to the journalist who wrote this.
And I would dearly love it if you would make your way to coast2coastam.com, click on this, and then give them some feedback.
Oh, please give them some feedback.
I am so sick of this.
It is so dangerous for me and for my family to have this sort of thing running around in the first place, but now to have it in print in a newspaper here in the Philippines once again is so incredibly dangerous that, well, I just hope you will take a moment and go up there and give them some feedback.
I'll leave that to you.
So there you have it.
That's up at the top of the website.
You'll find it very quickly.
And then if you click on the second link provided, why you'll see the entire history of the letter.
But the first link is just their website portion of the newspaper.
And all of a sudden, here comes this article about optical invisibility.
So we might actually have the opportunity to become invisible.
So when we talk in open lines a little later, I would like to know what it is you would like to do should you be given the opportunity to become invisible.
Anyway, we'll get to that later.
Looking quickly at the news, President Bush says I won't change strategy in Iraq.
President Bush conceded Friday that right now it's tough for American forces in Iraq, but the White House said he would not change U.S. strategy in the face of pre-election polls that show voters are, well, upset.
My thinking was it wouldn't be a hell of a much of a policy, would it, if he changed it just for the election?
North Korea North Korea showed Signs Friday that it could be backing away from its nuclear showdown with the world.
Even staged a show of domestic support in Pyongyang.
Tens of thousands gathered, and Kim Jong apologized.
And then this, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, rather, Iraq must take over security.
The Iraqi government is going to have to take over its country's security sooner rather than later, according to our Defense Secretary.
Now, that sure sounds like Vietnam of the war to me.
I hate, you know, I'll get a lot of hate mail because I say that.
People can't figure me out.
I am neither.
It depends on the issue.
Sometimes I'm pro-administration.
Sometimes I'm very anti-administration.
And, you know, in this case, on the one hand, we're not changing policy because of the elections.
On the other hand, we're talking about getting out, you know, turning it over to the Iraqis, the Iraqization of the war.
Then one more little item here before we go to break and then our guest.
Global warming study predicts wild ride.
This is in the AP National News.
The world, especially the western United States, the Mediterranean region, and Brazil, will likely suffer more extended droughts, heavy rainfalls, and longer heat waves over the next century because of global warming, according to a news study.
So I've got a guest coming up on climate in a moment whose name is Roy Spencer, no minor functionary in this area.
Roy Spencer, in fact, is a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville.
He has been senior scientist for climate studies at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama, directs research into the development and application of satellite passive microwave remote sensing techniques for measuring global temperature, water vapor, and precipitation.
Dr. Spencer is the recipient of NASA's Medal for Exceptional Scientific Achievement and the American Meteorological Society Special Award for his satellite-based temperature monitoring work.
He is the author of numerous scientific articles that have appeared in Science, Nature, Journal of Climate, Monthly Weather Review, Journal of Atmospheric and Oceanic Technology, Journal of Climate and Applied Meteorology, Remote Sensing.
That's not like remote viewing, by the way, reviews.
Advances in space research and climate change.
Dr. Spencer received his Ph.D. in meteorology from the University of Wisconsin in 1981.
We will speak with him in a moment.
Well, I sure like this title in the AP News this hour, Global Warming Study Predicts Wild Ride.
I think that was my point to you the last time we spoke.
I mean, what's the diff?
Whether we're doing it or whether it's a natural cycle, the implications of it on humanity, since everybody almost now agrees it's real, we ought to be concentrating on that.
unidentified
Well, there's no question that we ought to be concentrating on adaptation to some extent because, you know, we need to be prepared for it, like you said, in either event.
It just is that if it's natural, it's just as likely that it'll start cooling again based on past climate history, whereas if it's man-made, then, you know, we keep pumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, and that's going to continue for many decades, and things will just keep getting worse.
So I guess I see more of a distinction for the importance of whether it's natural or man-made than you do.
Now, we can argue until we're blue in the face about how much effect that's having.
One thing we can see is that, oh, for example, at the North Pole, well, gee, most of the ice appears to be going away.
And, in fact, we're going to be able to navigate the North Pole pretty soon here with a ship.
In fact, maybe even now.
unidentified
Well, the warmest temperature anomalies anywhere on Earth right now are at the North Pole.
And that's something that our satellite data shows, as well as the surface thermometer data, that the amount of warming we've seen in, let's say, in the last 30 years or the last 50 years is greater at the North Pole than any place else.
Now, how much effect does the ocean have on our weather?
My answer as a pedestrian would be quite a bit.
unidentified
Oh, it's a huge effect because the oceans can store at least 1,000 times more heat than the atmosphere can.
So what they do is they tend to moderate climate influences.
You know, if there's a warming tendency for the Earth, the oceans will absorb a lot of that heat and lead to very little warming.
But the flip side of it is they can store so much heat that a small change in ocean circulation just due to the chaotic behavior of the ocean can lead to climate change.
And that's something we have very little understanding of.
Another thing that's disturbed me, and this could well be out of your field of expertise, but I guess it would relate to it.
There's an article saying that they're now counting about 200 what they call dead zones in the ocean, that is to say, where no animals, no fish, no, you know.
Nothing above microbial size lives.
It's just all dead, dead zones in the ocean.
Now, on the face of it, that seems possibly worrisome.
unidentified
Well, of course, as a scientist, the first thing I would ask is, how do we know they weren't dead before?
And if we do know they're caused by mankind, how big are they?
Is it something we can live with?
I mean, after all, humans produce pollution.
We can spend some of our wealth to clean up after ourselves to some extent, but it is impossible to not pollute.
So at some point, you have to decide how much trouble are we going to go to to fix something.
Are we all going to go back to living in caves to minimize our influence on the environment?
However, that leads to another sort of discussion we could have, and that is the muzzling of a lot of climate scientists.
I just wonder about that, including the big man there at NASA.
An awful lot of articles have been muzzled.
I mean, a lot of scientists have been muzzled.
Hold tight where you are, doctor.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
That worries me.
Even the people that I know that Dr. Spencer, to some degree or perhaps even a great degree, disagrees with, they've been muzzled.
And you've got to wonder why.
And the only answer I've been able to come up with is because, well, somebody's figured out we can't do a damn thing about it anyway.
So why alarm all of you?
I'm Art Bell.
My guest is Dr. Roy Spencer.
He's principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, has been the senior scientist for climate studies at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center.
And so he's obviously quite a guy to have on.
I just wanted to get this in before the break, and then we'll get his reaction to it.
This is not Dr. Hansen who's complained bitterly about being censored.
But instead, scientists at a world-renowned climate research lab in New Jersey say their discoveries are being hidden from public view because their conclusions on global warming differ from those in the Bush administration.
The scientists part of the research staff of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration say a spate of press releases, as well as a position paper reviewing various studies on the risks of global warming, have been squashed, squashed actually, by officials of the Commerce Department.
The researchers work at the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory in Plainsboro, a small branch of NOAA, and the birthplace of the technique that uses computer models to forecast climate.
They say the press releases and the position paper detailed reports linking intensified hurricanes to global warming.
The reports also predict spells of intense weather like droughts, floods, and paint some warnings as irreversible.
What can I tell you, the scientists say?
We're simply telling them something they don't want to hear.
It came from Richard Weatherade.
That's an interesting name, a career scientist at the federally funded center.
But the public is not being informed when these things are zapped.
In a moment, we'll get the doctor's reaction to that.
Perhaps you would like to That's some other researchers back east.
And just as a general principle, I wonder how you feel about these reports and so forth and so on being squished.
unidentified
Well, I do have some opinions on this since I worked for NASA for 14 years.
I would say that all things considered, scientists within the agencies, government agencies that do global warming research, actually have very little to worry about being muzzled, mostly because these organizations, especially NOAA and NASA, in order to keep getting funding from Congress to study the global warming problem, there has to be a global warming problem.
So typically what I've found is that agency administrators in Washington will tend to spin things to make global warming look worse.
Now the people you referred to that were supposedly muzzled at GFDL, a modeling group up there, they've published their results in Nature magazine.
I don't know specifically what happened in this instance.
I know with Jim Hansen, the media made a much bigger deal out of the thing than they should have because when I worked for NASA, I was told before doing congressional testimony to stick to my area of expertise and don't get drawn into policy issues.
Well, that's because they knew that my policy views did not help NASA sell its programs to Congress.
Now, Jim Hansen, you've heard lately, you know, in the last year or so, claimed he was muzzled.
Well, he had gotten used to saying whatever he wanted to say.
And I think what happened there is the administration just reminded NASA to enforce its own rules.
And its own rules are that we are not supposed to talk to the media unless we go through our management chain first.
And in fact, that's one reason why I resigned NASA four years ago is I just got tired of the constraints.
So now I'm with the university and I can pretty much say whatever I want to, and here I am on your show.
I've tried to consider why the administration or the powers that be, if you want to just look at it that way, don't want this talked about.
And one of the possibilities, one of the darker possibilities, it's my job to consider the darker possibilities, is that really this is happening, whether it be man-made or just cyclic, whatever.
It is happening, and it potentially is really bad.
And there's not a damn thing anybody can do about it.
So there's no point in turning the economy upside down, going back to bicycles or whatever they would have us do, because it's going to happen anyway.
So why bother to shake people up?
unidentified
Well, that is a very important point, and most people don't realize something that you just said that I think too many people don't understand, which is that even if we decide that global warming is going to be very serious, let's say it's all due to mankind, there's no way to turn it around in the coming few decades because mankind depends on fossil fuels so much.
Conservation isn't going to help.
Hybrid cars are not going to help.
Compact fluorescent bulbs are not going to help.
If we start embracing nuclear power again, that could alleviate some of the problem.
But what we need is new energy technology.
That's the only thing that's going to solve the problem.
And that's where I really get upset with playing around with things like the Kyoto Protocol or the McCain-Lieberman bill.
These are just efforts where bureaucrats can pat themselves on the back and say they did something for the environment or the planet when, in fact, they're doing virtually nothing.
Let's take a moment and talk about real alternatives.
Now, is it legitimate to complain that the administration, this and others, and none of them have really gone that far.
Some have been better than others from the point of view of environmentalists, I suppose.
But basically, none of them have really gone whole hog to try and get a major change that actually would have some effect.
We all know we have energy problems.
So what do you think?
Do you think that there's any chance?
unidentified
There's a few things that are operating here.
First of all, is that we live with a free market economy.
When we try to change things, the way things operate with government-mandated policies, it usually turns out bad.
Things usually turn out the best if we let the people decide through their decisions of what to buy and sell.
That's usually the best for the economy, almost always the best for the economy.
Now, that being said, the government is already investing billions of dollars, billions of your dollars, into new energy technologies, research into new technologies.
And that's what we should be doing.
Environmentalists make it sound like we're not doing anything.
Well, we are.
We're, in fact, putting a lot of money into the only place where the solution is going to be found, which is new technology.
So, you know, I think the future actually looks more rosy.
I mean, a lot of it, it starts to feel like Paul Ehrlich and his population bomb, you know, that by now most of humanity was supposed to have starved and all that, but mankind is amazingly resilient.
As Julian Simon used to say, the greatest natural resource this planet has is the human mind.
What do you see on the horizon that really has a possibility of making the kind of change that we both know we need?
unidentified
Well, so far, there isn't, that I can tell, there isn't any kind of magic silver bullet on the horizon.
Nuclear, as I said, would help.
There's so-called clean coal technology.
There's actually a couple of test plants generating electricity from coal and actually storing or sequestering the carbon dioxide that's produced and pumping it deep into the ground.
So that's one possibility is this clean coal technology, which would be great for the U.S. because we have a lot of coal reserves.
So there are some possibilities.
You've heard of the hydrogen economy, having fuel cell cars that run on hydrogen.
In other words, you can store hydrogen and then use that as fuel, but you need energy to create the hydrogen, and then you need the economy to store and distribute the hydrogen.
And by the time you're all said and done, I don't know how much you've really done in terms of real change.
Most people don't realize we don't have a source of hydrogen.
It takes energy to generate it.
I think the way it might work well is if we used a lot of nuclear power, which is supposedly a lot safer these days, but let's not get into that.
If we used nuclear power and then relied on the electricity to generate hydrogen, then we've alleviated that much more dependence on fossil Fuels because we're now using electricity to power our cars.
Now, the only sort of kink in the whole idea of nuclear power plants sprouting up all over the place would be this damn terrorism business.
I think nuclear plants, particularly as we make them in the United States and the Western world, are just fine unless you consider somebody who actually wants to damage one and has the means to do so.
In other words, willful damage.
unidentified
Right, yeah.
And I'm not an expert in that risk and how well that risk can be mitigated.
I do know that most of the nuclear waste from spent fuel has been stored in the containment buildings that the reactors are actually in.
And those containment buildings, you know, they're kind of dome-shaped concrete structures.
I'm told that those are supposed to be able to withstand the direct hit from a jet aircraft flying directly into it.
And, you know, between that and just security, the heavy security around these areas, it seems like that's a problem that could be pretty much solved.
But, you know, we live in a risk-adverse society, don't we?
I mean, everyone is trying to avoid risk without ever talking about benefits.
And I fully understand the market mechanics and how impossible what I'm saying really is.
And yet it is happening.
It has happened before.
Well, anyway, if Dr. Hansen is correct, let's do this.
If you're wrong about the ice, for example, at the North Pole, you're suggesting that, well, perhaps the ice comes and goes cyclically at the North Pole.
But if you're wrong on that, and in fact, the North Pole is melting as it never has melted before, and none of us knows what's true here.
But if that should be true, then what would that mean for us?
unidentified
Well, the concern about the North Polar sea ice cover is that as it melts, since ice, especially snow-covered ice, reflects sunlight, the more ice melts, the more sunlight comes in.
That's called a positive feedback.
If there's a little bit of warming that causes the ice to melt, the ice melting is a positive feedback, which amplifies the warming because the ice was, when it was there, was reflecting sunlight back to outer space.
So there is concern that if it did melt, that the polar region could warm even faster.
Again, I'm using your premise that I'm wrong and that we are responsible for global warming and that this trend is going to continue.
Well, it's probably at least a 50-50 bet since neither one of us has the ability to look back and we didn't have satellites to know if it ever happened before.
So it's kind of like 50-50, I would think, wouldn't you?
unidentified
Well, now, let me make a big picture comment.
The climate system, weather, every drop of rain that falls, every gust of wind are all acting as part of one huge process that is constantly trying to move heat From where there's too much to where there isn't enough.
The atmosphere and the ocean are gigantic heat engines, and what they do best is find a way to get rid of excess heat.
It is my belief that we aren't going to see much climate change due to whatever, because I believe that is fundamentally a stabilizing mechanism on the climate.
Now, some people point to, well, you know, then how did we get the ice ages?
I'm not sure that we have much of a clue at all what caused the ice ages.
And I did say earlier in the show that chaotic changes in the climate system are possible.
But, you know, given, like you said, you know, if it's going to happen, if there is the possibility, the best thing mankind can do is be ready for it so that we can adapt to it.
It's my honor and privilege to be escorting you through the weekend and again, filling in for George Norrie, who has a well, well-deserved night off.
It's going to be a very interesting for me afternoon and for most of you, the majority of you, night.
Let me roll over very quickly once again.
The webcam photo tonight is up at the top of the page, not on the side as it normally is.
And it is my lifetime membership in Para, and it came along with the licensing, the reciprocal licensing for ham radio that I received here.
So art is now thinking about an antenna.
And then below that, very, very, very important, really very important, another newspaper here in the Philippines has published that godforsaken hate letter that's been bouncing around the world for years since it was authored by some total jerk who went to the UCSD campus in San Diego and sent it out in my name, according to the FBI.
And so why any newspaper would just pluck something off the internet, do no checking whatsoever.
I mean, you all can try it yourself.
Put in the name Art Bell and hate letter or Philippine hate letter, and you'll immediately find out it's a hoax.
And so that's the very least they could have done.
But no, they just published it.
And here I am in the Philippines.
So, of course, that means, you know, a lot of danger for my family here.
And I hope you will take the opportunity to go down to the bottom of that letter.
Even if you don't read it all, it's pretty ugly.
And render your comments to them.
Give your comments to them.
I'd surely appreciate that.
Now, we've got open lines coming up.
That means you can talk about anything you want.
But I do want to suggest a topic.
This has always been a favorite of mine.
I mentioned a little while ago, H.F. Saint wrote a book called Memoirs of an Invisible Man.
It's an old book.
It turned into a movie with Chevy Jace and Daryl Hanna, interesting movie.
The book, like in so many cases, was so much better.
But the movie was also good.
Now, if you get a chance, read the book.
It's an old book, but boy, is it engrossing.
And it combines now with new technology that's causing me to ask the question that I will ask in a moment.
Harry Potter and Captain Kirk would be proud.
A team of American and British researchers has made a cloak of invisibility.
Well, okay, it's not perfect yet, but it is a start, and it did a pretty good job of hiding a copper cylinder.
Now listen, in this experiment, the scientists used microwaves to try and detect the cylinder.
Like light and radar waves, microwaves bounce off things, making them visible and creating a shadow, though it has to be detected with instruments.
If you can hide something from microwaves, you can hide it from radar.
A possibility that will have the military frothing at the mouth.
Cloaking differs from stealth technology, which doesn't make an aircraft invisible, but reduces the cross-section available to radar, making it very hard to track.
Cloaking simply passes the radar or other waves around the object as if it weren't there, kind of like water flowing around a smooth rock in a stream.
The new work points the way for an improved version, now listen very carefully, that could hide people and objects from visible light.
Conceptually, the chance of adapting the concept to visible light is good, cloak designer David Schrig said in a telephone interview, but a researcher associate in Duke University's electrical and computer engineering added, from an engineering point of view, it is very challenging.
Nevertheless, the cloaking of a cylinder from microwaves comes just five months after Schrigg and colleagues published their theory that it should be possible.
So real invisibility may be just around the corner.
They may learn how to make human beings invisible.
And of course, that brings up the age-old question.
If you were invisible, what would you do?
What would you do?
If you had the opportunity to become invisible, my goodness, there's just a whole line of things that you could do.
I asked my, and by the way, I asked my wife what she'd do if she were invisible.
And she said she'd follow me around, make sure I didn't get involved with another woman.
She knows better than that, or ought to, but that's what she said.
Anyway, I'm kind of curious what all of you would do, given the opportunity to become invisible.
Nevertheless, your comments are not at all bound by that suggestion.
It's just that here we have the finally we have the real story, and I think invisibility is so cool.
Would I do some of the things that probably would be thought of as no-nos?
I've got to be honest, yes, I probably would.
Would I sneak into a girl's dorm?
And girl watch?
Maybe.
And then there would be endless other things that one could do.
Certainly one could become really rich.
I mean, there would be endless opportunities in that area as well, and so many others.
So I thought it'd make a great question for open lines.
Otherwise, anything you want to talk about is certainly fair game.
Now, you may or may not hear some banging going on.
I live in a condominium unit, as you know, and while they don't bang on the weekends, they are working on a condominium unit above me.
And should you hear any large bangs, that's where it comes from.
They probably are doing flooring work above me, and so we'll just have to live with it if it happens.
So this gentleman feels that the sun, like a wood stove, continually gobbling comets and other planetary debris like a wood stove is getting hotter and causing global warming.
Well, that's a new one on me.
But one never knows, I suppose.
Let's go to the first time caller line and say in Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania.
Ron, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi, thank you.
Nice with you.
Earlier, I heard you speaking with the gentleman regarding nuclear power and whatnot.
And I do work with a nuclear power station at Shippingport, one of the first in the world.
And them domes are created to keep any damage done.
If the aircraft was to plow into it, it would protect the containment area.
The used fuel pool is where they store the used fuel rod.
And the life expectancy of a nuclear power station of this particular is usually 40 years.
However, we just replaced the three steam generators in the reactor head on a major overhaul here this last year.
And the fuel pole eventually will get full to where they won't be able to store it no more.
Right, well, my thought was they have these missiles that they send payloads up to space, and I can't see why they can't bundle them in that special epoxy that they used for the Land Rover and all these other things, stick them in these spaceships, and shoot them towards the sun.
Then you would be stoking the wood stove, according to my last caller, and global warming would go berserk, Ron.
unidentified
Well, no, because, like you say, the sun is actually nuclear fission, and all it would be doing would be disintegrating the uranium-spent uranium rods.
The real problem with that idea is that, of course, one in X number of launches blows up.
And if you had this very poisonous plutonium that you were launching and it blew up, there would probably be, well, a problem when it blew up.
unidentified
Well, they have this epoxy where they can actually encasele it to where if it was the drop, it wouldn't break.
It's like, how can I explain it?
I don't know the term of it.
But they can encapsulate it to where it can't be damaged.
But instead of dumping it in Yucca Mountain out in Washington, they can ship this, head it towards the sun.
I mean, it'll be many years before it ever would even reach there, but it would basically burn up before it even got there, which would reduce the nuclear waste in the world because there's only so much room in this world that we live in.
And once you use up the room for nuclear waste stuff, 10,000 years could go by and it would still be too radioactive to be worth anything.
Actually, Ron, even hundreds of thousands of years.
No, I don't think that launching it to the sun is really a spiffy idea.
It has been suggested before because, as Ron mentioned, the sun is, or I mentioned, is a giant fusion process underway.
So if you could safely get it to the sun, that would certainly make sense as a good idea.
But we cannot safely get it to the sun.
And launching it in a space vehicle is, at best, a risky idea, and at worst, would produce absolutely catastrophic results for all of us when the launch failed.
So I don't think that would be at the head of the list of things to do.
Let's go to this wildcard line and say, hello there, Tom and Tempe.
You're on the air.
unidentified
Oh, that's Tim Art, and it's a pleasure to talk to you.
You know, I like to talk about the invisibility, and I believe that really the only way that we could get to terrorists in the al-Qaeda, where they live, would be something like that.
I mean, to find him and to do something about it, I believe that he is so protected that that would be the only way to really get in and get him.
I'm just saying that technology has marched forward, and there are new technologies that are really amazing, just amazing, that can be used by amateur radio or the military or anything else.
And not to get too technical about it, but here's the deal.
Some of these technologies are so good that if the signal received, in other words, if the signal coming out of your receiver is so low and so buried in the static and the mess that you cannot even hear it with the human ear, computers, on the other hand, can dig that signal out below the noise level and print a perfectly intelligible rendition of what was sent.
It's amazing.
East of the Rockies, without a lot of time here, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hey, Art, this is John from Springfield, Illinois.
Why can't some of these remote viewers or psychics help you find this person that did this to you with, you know, that person had to brag to somebody or tell somebody that they did this to you?
And the other comment, I spoke to you once about a month or so ago.
If you ever move back to the United States, move back to Long Island.
Since you have a kid on the way, you've got the best schooling, you got the best beaches, you got the best city in the world, you take a limo out to Manhattan, you take your wife to Tavern on the Green, she'll love it.
Well, if we do get back to the United States, I will certainly show her around the United States, and that'll be one area we'll get to, and we'll see what she thinks of it.
Yeah, the Playboy Mansion, it'll be worth roaming around in there a little bit.
I mean, you know, invisibility, there would be a fun side to it, wouldn't there?
Haven't you ever thought about it?
Being invisible?
The memoirs of an invisible man were very interesting in that his invisibility, for example, did not hide.
When he would eat certain things, the food could be seen going down, you know, esophagus on down into the stomach where it mixed in some disagreeable kind of way and looked pretty bad until it was digested.
That was one problem he had.
Another was that when it would rain, it would indeed sort of show his invisibility or the outline of his person for a short time.
And I can see that sort of thing happening.
This is not just idle chat.
We're talking about invisibility because scientists are actually very close to it.
You can read the story, if you wish, on CoastCoseM.com.
But what a mixed-up world it would be if invisibility actually came to pass.
And I had to ask you, because you are halfway across the earth from where I'm at here in Arizona, do you see a phenomenon happening in the Philippines concerning Halloween?
And the reason I ask that is because I took my daughter out to dinner the other night.
We had a little simple Mexican meal, and we drove to all the neighborhoods here in southern Arizona.
We took a three and a half hour drive, and we noticed something that I thought was phenomenal and kind of extraordinary.
It seemed like neighborhood after neighborhood, house upon house, was decorated with extravagant lights and presentations.
And you could tell these people had spent a lot of money presenting the spirit of Halloween.
And we've never seen this in Tucson except for the time of The year, which is called Christmas, because we have a special neighborhood here in town.
Well, that's why I was wondering because, you know, you're on the other side of the earth, and I thought, well, this would be a great time to call art.
And I've talked to my brother in Apache Junction and also my sisters in Houston, and they've also noticed the same thing.
In our building, there's going to be a traditional Halloween celebration where the kids go from condo to condo in hopes of candy and or whatever else is available.
However, I honestly don't know how Halloween is celebrated or not observed here in the Philippines.
I will, during the next break, ask my wife, and we'll see what she has to say.
First time caller line?
No, sorry.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Aloha, Art.
This is Dorm from the Kingdom of Hawaii, the place that now has a whole new meaning to the word rock and roll.
Do you worry at all that one of the islands, if not more, could suddenly, well, I don't know, sink?
unidentified
Highly unlikely, Art.
These are more like sea mounds than anything else, gradually built up by volcanic activities.
There's a five-mile stretch over on the big island by volcano, which is really in the dangerous slipping, which I understand has happened quite a few times through the ons.
But the possibility of the entire island dropping, not all that good.
The volcanoes over here have a rather unusual characteristic to them.
One is that the reason they don't go boom is because they have a low silicone content to the lava.
That means there's no massive buildup of gas behind a crystallization in between eruptions.
But what I, you know, I listened to the seismologist talking about this earthquake, and what they said was that it was the weight, that's the weight of the volcanoes on the earth beneath the ocean that caused that earthquake.
And, you know, if you think darkly, well, you can imagine that the weight of the islands could suddenly sort of cause a breakdown below and then...
unidentified
Actually, that was a very short story when it first happened that they said that it was a slip of the titanic plate that actually caused it, that it wasn't volcanic in nature.
See, if you're not sure you have a danger of hurting the tourist rate, because then it would be a greater possibility of one happening again soon since we have the most active volcano on the planet.
Well, we're close enough to Halloween, so why not?
unidentified
Okay.
My great-grandfather came to Los Angeles in 1866, and in 1882, he built a building that is in Little Tokyo.
I don't know if you've been to L.A., but I'm actually one block from Parker Center, and I'm two blocks from L.A. City Hall.
I still own the building.
It's a National Historic Landmark Building.
And with my 17-year, we'll put it mildly, a very rocky marriage, I've lived in the upstairs of this building for 11 years, which used to be a dance hall.
Four years, Art, and I'm a retired police officer now, as a matter of fact.
Four years, people have said, aren't you afraid of being in that haunted building today?
And I said, yeah, blow it.
I'm not listening to you.
There's no haunting.
It's, you know, if it was, it would be my family.
Let me cut to the chase.
I had a tenant downstairs that was there with a video store for 16 years.
And they had the largest collection of adult Asian videos in the city of L.A. Now, before every caller now starts calling in and jumping on me, oh, the policeman's selling porn, I'm the landlord, okay?
What they do, it's legal, it's on them, not on me.
And the kids that worked there were actually like these Japanese national, like rock and roller kids.
And I truly believe that they were on drugs.
And anyway, they used to say the same thing.
Is the building haunted?
And I was like, okay, yeah, I don't want to hear it.
I evict them.
The guy that owned it goes bad.
I evict him.
He runs back to Japan, everything else.
I'm stuck with all this porn.
I start cleaning this place out.
I'm sitting there five, six o'clock in the morning, cleaning it out.
Some girl in the community says, let's just sell it a dollar a video.
So I start selling it.
Art, I have never had a problem in this building in my life.
I feel very warm, very centered in the building.
I mean, I'm like a trendsetter in loft living.
If you follow me with that, I mean, it's a big deal in L.A. now.
Well, I was doing it 11 years ago.
Art, I'm in the building, and all of a sudden, I mean, when I'm selling these videos $1 a piece, and this is the truth, and I have work vice, every sick idiot in the world starts showing up, and they want to take the video boxes to go to the bathroom, if you're following me.
And that's when stuff started happening.
The electricity stops working in the building.
I mean, the block is live, but you would turn lights on and they turn themselves off.
All right, I'm wandering around the back of the building, which used to be a great-grandfather's blacksmith shop, and somebody smacks me in the back of the head, except there's nobody in the building except me.
This stuff starts.
So I then, I'm trying to go through this very quickly.
I then start getting contacted that people in the community saying, well, yeah, people stopped going to the building because there was this very, very old man and very, very old woman that would stand in the corners in the adult sections and stare at them.
And I thought, oh, boy, this isn't good.
To make a long story short, you had a guest by the name of Dr. Larry Muntz, and I actually dealt with in 1997.
The guy from Ghost Expeditions, I actually had dealt with Dr. Larry Muntz, reference a, this is no joke, it can be confirmed, about a Los Angeles police station that was haunted.
We were having some problems in the station, and I'm not going to go into it.
And Dr. Muntz had come in and run his tests and brought in his people and everything else.
And the site of this actual station, the city got the property because an old woman had been raped and murdered on the location.
I mean, that's legitimate.
That's not just a made-up story.
It's the truth.
And there were some other things going on there, and Dr. Muntz dealt with it.
So I called Dr. Larry Munster, and he starts looking into everything.
And he even said, you know, this building is haunted.
But the strange thing was, and you'll love this story.
It's haunted, basically, by my relatives.
And he said it's the most friendly haunting that he's ever met.
Because I'm going to tell you, when one of my family members, they're thinking it's my great-grandmother.
And again, I don't believe in ghosts, but I know what was going on and what's been happening in the building.
It's a very warm, friendly feeling.
Even to this day right now, after everything that went on, I'm not scared.
How can you not believe in that which you have actually experienced?
unidentified
I'm using the word ghost very loosely because I don't know what other word to use.
The place obviously is, quote, haunted because I have a lack of better words.
I believe that there's energy.
I believe that there's family.
And after listening to you for like 20 years, if you're a cop and sitting in a police car, you know, writing reports and stuff, you've listened to Art Bell, and I've heard all the people saying when they go to die, their family members show up.
And then that scared.
That is the only thing that probably scared me, thinking, why would my great-grandmother be hanging around?
I mean, look, I hit him with that because after you've actually experienced, it's kind of like UFOs.
If you've seen something directly above your head, so close you could throw a rock at it, how can you not believe in what you've seen with your own eyes?
East of the Rockies, not a lot of time, but you're on the air.
Well, it is kind of scary, and I wonder if it means if it's kind of a warning to you that something or another is about to happen, as though your time shifted a little bit.
I don't know.
Anyway, interesting stuff.
You're the first person who has ever said to me, I looked around and saw a version of myself.
That's definitely a new one.
Anybody else experience anything like that?
From Manila in the Philippines, Southeast Asia, I'm Art Bell.
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we are getting close to Halloween, and in an absolute tradition, I will be here on Halloween, and we will do what we call ghost-to-ghost.
Very tradition, a big tradition on this radio program.
I'm Art Bell.
More of all of you in a moment.
Thanks to the wonder of call screening, I can say it's the devil himself, JC.
It is a symptomatic symptom of the sickness that is surging and boiling up in this nation that row after row and house after house is decorated to celebrate your master's birthday.
And you know, she was actually a big supporter of yours.
She sent me countless emails, JC.
unidentified
She did.
And she was a supporter of yours, and I guess she just finally so righteous as to be in the service of God's 10-star, now recognized, 10-star general that I am, can be dissuaded and decepted and pulled away into satanic service, then you know that you're in danger as well.
And it's a wake-up call from God that he's going to – You think these earthquakes aren't here from God?
Jay-C, you just gave her a very capitalistic idea, a lesbian Tupperware party.
unidentified
I bet I could get rich and this is why you are so deceptive, Mr. Mel, because you could turn the Lord's words around and turn them into satanic propaganda.
You truly are the devil's mouthpiece.
This is an example right here of why you are so evil.
And Missy, look, what you need to do is take off the flannel shirt, get into a church, and find a man.
All you need is the right man that will change you back and turn you into a...
Yeah, you're on with Jay C. You're calling from San Francisco, aren't you?
Yes, yes.
Not a homosexual capital of the world.
Yeah, I'm a real queer.
Yeah, I'm a real queer.
Yes, I can tell that.
I can tell that.
I didn't even have to say it.
I'm a queer, yeah.
Yeah, right.
So why don't you act like a gentleman and grow up a little bit?
Who are you to tell me what to do?
Listen, you no good pervert, you San Francisco.
Why don't you just go back to your bathhouses and your little opium dens out there where all you sickos smoke medical pot and get together for hedonistic organs and evil?
I have three Ph.D.s.
I'm a member of the Council of Foreign Relations.
Your book smarts don't mean nothing to me, Mr. Ph.D. I'm a philosopher and I have a brains aren't going to mean a dog.
If you're fair to say that to me, it would figure if someone from Los Angeles, the pornography capital of the world, where your police, your own police, are selling pornography in Japantown.
Well, if you're talking about the Bible, I love the entire Bible, but my favorite scripture is Revelation.
Wait a minute.
Your least favorite one.
I don't have any least favorite parts of the Bible.
You're trying to get me to insult the Bible.
There's no bad parts.
I'm telling you, it's a good read from Couple of Psalms.
It's all good.
But you know, the fact is, I'm trying to see Jesus in you, and I think Jesus don't talk as much as you do.
Listen, listen, you first have no way to judge me.
And if you're trying to see Jesus, then you must be a slide.
You know what?
Wait a minute, what Jesus is.
The power of life and death are in the tongue.
Art Bell knows that, and that's why he's got so much life, because he's got a great tongue.
He's got a fuck tongue.
He's got a devil lizard tongue that he's just doing the microphone and sends his evil out over the airwaves to corrupt America.
The fact is, you know what?
Are you part of the answer or part of the problem?
I am the solution to the problem that plagues America.
The sin that bubbles up in the streets in the boiling pits of sewage is going to consume all sinners one day for a thrift when God proclaims victory over the enemy and says, I cast you down, sinner.
I cast you, caller, down, down, down beneath my feet and beneath me, Satan.
I stomp on you and step on you, and you have no power here.
I'm Mart Bell, and this is Coast to Coast A.M. Lesbian Tupperware parties.
Good morning, everybody.
Well, that was enough of that, and we'll get back to whatever it is you want to talk about very shortly.
That man has a lot of pathology at work there.
It's a great morning, a great night, a great day, whatever the case may be, wherever you are.
It's all of you all the way to the very end of the program this night.
And by the way, of course, I'll be here for the weekend as well.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast A.M. All right, collecting myself.
There is actually an article that backs up what I'm saying about invisibility.
Strange and unusual as it may seem, you can read it for yourself on CoastToCoastAM.com.
They're very close to a technology that they claim actually might make things and people invisible.
What would you do if you had the opportunity to be invisible for a day or a week or?
Well, I guess nobody would really want a lifetime, as in Memoirs of an Invisible Man, but given even a little short experience at the game, what would you do?
All right, let's go such a hard choice.
Let's go to this wildcard line and say, Sage, you are on the air.
A lot of people think that JC is a put-on, but he's not.
I mean, he is a put-on, but he's not an arranged put-on.
JC just happened, and he's been calling the show now for years.
unidentified
I know.
He's tried to disguise his voice.
I actually thought about imitating a relative of his or maybe doing a counter-rebuttal guy like Rob the Owoken and ask JC with some hardcore questions.
You know, invisibility, I've been thinking it would really turn the world on its tail.
I mean, you could never be sure that you were alone.
You could never be sure that you had privacy.
You could never be sure of anything if invisibility becomes...
unidentified
I think it's on its way anyway.
Bert, I've taken thought, and this is very humbling to be on the air with you because this is one of the few shows that I think isn't sold out to the veto powers that be, and it really has made me put in my place for someone like me who thinks they have an answer for everything in a generalized sense.
But invisibility, if you think of it in the predator sense, like the movie, predator?
Okay, you can bend light.
If you cram enough energy and create an electromagnetic field, you can bend light.
So it makes total sense to me.
And on top of that, it's just another tidbit of information that's being released slowly to not really on civilization because it's too much.
But it has been there for quite some time.
And for me, it would connect with the Philadelphia experiment.
And I just read this story tonight about how close they are to invisibility.
They've actually made something invisible to microwaves.
And so they say making it invisible to light may not be a big deal.
It may be viable.
It may be something they can really do fairly soon.
Now, if this is a public story, which it is, you know, out in the Associated Press and so forth, then you have to imagine that in the secret labs in our government somewhere, they've had invisibility for some time.
Hey, they had the stuff for some time before they released that information.
They had the Blackbird Plane.
They had Mach before they released it.
And they're just slowly.
That's just like Gene Roddenberry.
The guy was a genius.
The prime directive was to not dump too much information on a civilization because they can't handle it.
You've got to wait for people to catch up.
And for me, the Middle East, I won't say just the Middle East, but those that are less evolved in their spirit and their knowing are being locked down right now because the rest of the goodies are coming up because the church doesn't have control anymore.
Actually, I just watched Star Trek IV again last night, and one of the things I noted about it was that they violated, kind of with a chuckle, they violated the Prime Directive.
Now, the Prime Directive is that you will not do anything that would disturb or enhance a civilization in any way whatsoever.
In other words, if you're back in time, for example, you would do nothing that would disturb the even flow of time.
That, which should not be disturbed, will not be disturbed by anybody who happens to be tromping around.
But in Star Trek IV, you look for the instance yourself.
They violated the prime directive themselves.
So there you have it.
Let's go all the way to Arkansas, Conway, Arkansas, I think it is.
I suppose we've got enough material by now to do something like that, huh?
unidentified
We've actually recorded a lot of the Ott Bell shows here at Fort Bragg, and I actually got a nice little collection of them.
But I know since we've just recorded them, nobody sells them or anything.
But it would definitely be something you might want to think about because everybody on the bass, when they first come in, we'd love to play it to them.
They just flip over it, and they can't believe this individual is actually real.
Listen, I just wanted to talk to you about you and all your experiences with all the special guests you've had and your amazing life that you've already lived.
I think that every American, it would do America good.
The American taxpayer would be well served, in my opinion, to buy a round-trip ticket for any American citizen who would like it, to go to some very different foreign country and experience it, and then go home.
Well, just, you know, 21 days, whatever, three weeks, just for a little while to see what the rest of the world is like.
And I think it would make America a better place.
You know, much in the same way as those who join the military and get to travel around the world have a very different perspective on the world than those who just sit at home.
Although the Philippines is an extremely supernatural place, there are many things going on here that would be in the realm of the supernatural, and I may do an entire show on it one of these days soon.
We are talking about invisibility because it's actually on the horizon.
If you could say something like invisibility is on the horizon.
It really is.
They've already made a thing invisible to microwaves.
And so it's just a matter of moving into the light spectrum.
And they're really saying the chance of adapting the concept to visible light is good.
Cloak designer David Schurig said in a telephone interview that, well, from an engineering point of view, quoting him, it's very challenging, but nonetheless, it's on the horizon.
They are a bit different, but the way I arrange it, Alan, is we've got nice mini blinds and curtains, and I darken it down in here, and you wouldn't know the difference.
unidentified
Yeah.
I was wondering what JC looked like.
You know, I keep when I hear him, I picture, remember the late Michael Jedder?
Oh, you know, I heard that Tess had a new book out and that she had mentioned me in her book.
In what context did she mention me?
unidentified
The Art Bell Show.
What it is, is there's a gruesome murder, and there's a, well, can I say a little bit?
Okay, decapitation, and Risnall, Jane Risnell, is saying, like, you know, the person was probably conscious for about a minute or two after they were decapitated.
And the other person said, where did you hear that?
She goes, well, I was listening on the Art Bell show and blah, blah, blah, blah, like that.
Actually, around the world, it's pretty much that way.
I expected a much bigger U.S. reaction, but everybody seems like they're going to let it slide.
unidentified
That's the way, you know, really, it's just like you could not even tell that anything happened over here.
You know, and this morning I'm reading the Korean Herald, and the party in party, the party that's in power right now is the URI party.
And they're very liberal, very ultra-liberal.
And they sent an envoy up to North Korea and said, well, we have some businesses we're doing with you, and that's not going to change because you guys are actually pretty good guys.
Okay, my invisibility thing was, I'm with you, I have to admit, and he'll love that.
I'd have to go into like a Playboy shoot for one of my things on my list, and the other one would be to sneak into Wall Street to get the tips to make the really big money and stuff like that.
The implication of that being that I guess that all the people who make the big money at Wall Street have insider information.
I've always wondered a lot about that.
And also what really constitutes inside information?
In other words, inside information is a tip, right?
It's a tip that a stock is going to do something good.
Well, I guess the difference between a legal bit of inside information and an illegal bit of inside information is simply how good the tip is.
Something to think about.
In Los Angeles, Jim, you're on there.
Hi.
unidentified
And good evening.
Good evening.
I started off wanting to follow up on something I told you about a couple of months ago, but given other events of the evening, I think I should, if one had the chance to be invisible, I think it's very likely that most of the really cool stuff has already been painted with or covered by this same invisibility creating substance.
So that would kind of, I got to look, set the sites a little bit lower.
And I think I might just have to visit one of those lesbian Tupperware parties.
No, so you'll have to forever wonder or become invisible and actually visit one.
Can you imagine actually becoming invisible?
For example, I guess you would be able to see nothing of yourself.
Somebody suggested you wouldn't have vision.
You wouldn't be able to see.
But I don't think that's true.
I think you would be able to see.
You would simply be invisible to everybody else.
unidentified
I'm not sure quite how that would work.
But I guess another element of that is if you do have the ability to manipulate what is seen to make it invisible, then presumably it wouldn't be long before you could, a company is going to market a suit that you could wear that might make you look 20 pounds lighter.
And I suspect that would be a pretty good moneymaker.
Now, I hadn't considered that aspect of it, but people who are really fat or really skinny or really short or really ugly, well, it would certainly even us all out, wouldn't it, invisibility?
unidentified
It could.
And I guess another element of that would be if you live in the city and you just went out and bought a nice car and you're a little worried about it disappearing, broken windows, that kind of thing, dress it up.
Or more to the point, dress it down.
Make it look like a 77 Impala with five shades of rust.
Do you have different rooms, or is it just like one sort of long?
unidentified
There are – it's – Yes, there are different rooms.
It's all split off.
You come down the main corridor, and it's only about 250 feet down the main corridor, and then it splits off into three different sections, and there are two chambers in each of the three different sections.
We have plumbing and electricity.
We live in the real world, right up here with the rest of the folks, but we're down below.
You know, I was never able to really determine what I felt about reverse speech, whether I felt it had a lot of validity, some validity, or none at all.
I just never really came to an absolute conclusion about it.
unidentified
Yeah, it was pretty interesting.
And With the cloak of invisibility, I think, well, they already took care of Bin Laden, but the North Korean dictator, I'd like to haunt him for a while, maybe pull the rug out from under him a couple times.
When you walk down the streets of Charleston, it's almost as though you're in another time.
unidentified
Yeah, it's changing now.
It's developing greatly.
But at the time, the house that they moved into was very shack-like because it was close to the Eliza Lucas plantation, and it probably was once upon a time slave quarters.
In any event, my grandmother got a loan, and she built it up with bricks on the outside and made it nice and raised her family there.
But there was a cupboard in this place that was incredibly eerie.
My mother, she once stood in it, and she literally says that she felt, and the look on her face when she tells this story is quite convincing, that she felt these things just wrapping around her and like rushing past her.
And my uncle David, when he was younger, he had put a microphone in the closet.
They were trying to get an EVP all the way back then.
This is like, you know, in the 70s.
And they said that they heard something scratching and something sounded like something being dropped and knocking and things like that.
But this microphone was on a stand in the middle of this room, nothing able to touch it.
And there were no rats or mice or anything like that.
But the house started off, as I said, as a shack.
And the woman who had lived there prior to had shot herself in a bedroom.
And the bullet hole was still there along with the blood on the floor.
A woman prior to her had killed her husband and dragged his body to the railroad tracks, which were not very far.
And my granddad shot himself In the chest.
And all this was in the same bedroom.
And I remember as a child growing up and seeing the bullet hole in the window.
My sister was taking some photos for me because I've always been fascinated by the house.
We had some wonderful times there, though.
We had some really creepy things happen as well.
Very demonic things.
Like my grandmother and granddad, well, the man that she married after my granddad committed suicide, she would be held down in bed or feel things touching her.
And I know you have not a soft spot, but particular interest or understanding for people who have been attacked by an incubus or something like that.
And that actually happened to my dad, of which he said he was struggling as hard as he could and envisioned light and prayed.
And as he says, he could hear the hounds of hell and that something said to him that it was going to get him.
Let's see.
My grandmother had 10 pregnancies, nine of which actually survived.
And I saw my sister, Darlene, killed, run over by a school bus when she was six.
I'm not blood related, meaning that I have a different dad.
So I tell you what, I'm actually very grateful for that because there's a curse on that family.
There's obviously something going on with Mount Graham, and they know something's out there, or they know something's coming.
They know something, or they would not have pushed their way past every environmental objection, and there were many, to get that observatory there.
And believe me, they applied some pressure.
unidentified
Right.
And I believe that they know a lot more than just what's coming.
You know, I think they know a lot about the past that's been kept from us as human beings for whatever reason.
I would just love to go there and look at the old manuscripts and be able to understand what they say because I think that they've got probably most of the information that would really unlock a lot of keys.
I think there's, as my Nana would say, something in the wood pile.
And then the Dalai Lama and then the third Mesa.
The Hopi Third Mesa, that's where I'd like to go and just listen and be the fly on the wall.
I'm starting to wonder if there's really anything at all that we can imagine that we cannot do.
I mean, almost everything that we've heard about in science fiction, now here comes invisibility, everything we've heard about that we always thought was laughable or interesting and science fiction is beginning to come true.
unidentified
Well, I believe that I've been here before, and I feel what I'm doing, and I know you've been here before.
The way you speak, the what you know, and your, I guess, your mastering way you speak with people and the things that you just lean into so naturally.
I think that, well, I have two copies again of Edgar Casey's Atlantis in my possession.
I read it years ago, but all of a sudden two come into my possession.
I thought, is this a sign?
And then when you had that guest on on the weekend that he said a couple of generations ahead, he had this vision or knowledge that millions were going to be terribly demolished, abolished.
I think, Hun, that we do do things again and again.
I think that if you look at what's going on in the world right now, and I know everybody hates the parallels to Vietnam, but frankly, more and more and more as the months and now years go by, what's happening in Iraq really does seem very much like Vietnam, the latest being the Iraqization of the war, turning more and more of the work over to the newly trained Iraqis.
The whole thing feels the world, not just that.
And that's just one example.
I think we're doing things again and again.
Have we been here before?
Well, probably because we keep doing things over and over and over again, don't we?
But I wanted to point out, in a sense, we already have invisibility with people who practice astral projection and remote viewing and things like that.
I'm reading a story here on the scientists that are doing this.
unidentified
Well, the current invisibility that we have, which is it can make you invisible to things like radar, visible light, microwave, and these are all forms of energy.
However, though, it does not get you around your physical properties, which are things like, believe it or not, each and every one of us has a small gravimetric field which can be detected.
It's very, very difficult to do it on something as small as a human, but it can be done.
I mean, obviously, it's a lot easier on planets and such.
The other thing is anytime that a physical entity moves through any kind of body, whether it's a body of water, a body of gas, or whatever, it leaves a wake.
And an example of this is if you've ever stood on the side of the road and had a big rig go by and you get that blast of air.
And, you know, of course, the other Thing is, just simply by being comprised of matter and energy, we actually make a small dent in the space-time continuum, which, once again, something as small as a human is extremely difficult to detect.
I understand, Troy, the difficulty of all this, but it seems as though what is impossible today inevitably and almost absolutely becomes possible tomorrow or the day after.
unidentified
Oh, you're absolutely right.
In fact, you know, I was thinking about what would I do if I could be invisible.
My answer is I'd go into the government vaults and find out what we really know because I have a feeling that we've probably got technology already developed that we're not going to see for 20 or 25 years.
I'm Art Bell, and I have very much enjoyed filling in for George and Ori, and I'll be back tomorrow as well as the next day for the usual weekend fair.
It's going to be a good weekend.
So from Manila, in the Philippines, Southeast Asia, you all have a good morning, afternoon, evening, whatever it is, wherever you are.