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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Invisibility - Open Lines - Dr. Roy Spencer - Global Climate Change

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the Southeast Asian capital city of the Philippines, Manila, good day, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, whatever the case may be, wherever you are, I'm Art Bell, filling in for George Norrie, who is taking a well-deserved night off.
		My God, if you'd ever done five or six nights of talk radio a week, you would understand how much occasionally you need a little time off.
		So I am here to fill in for George tonight.
		Now, I've got a few things that I want to cover before we get to our first hour guest.
		We can play pretty fast and loose here because we've got open lies after Roy Spencer.
		He's going to be here talking about our climate.
		So just a few things I want to cover.
		Number one, my webcam photograph tonight is an interesting one indeed, at least for me, and perhaps for some U.S. amateur radio operators.
		You know, I'm a ham radio operator.
		And as you can see, by the way, my webcam is in a different place.
		You'll see at the top of the website, coastcoastam.com, it says ours webcam.
		It's usually over on the left-hand side right now tonight.
		They stuck it at the top.
		Now, that is my lifetime membership in something called Para, the Philippine Amateur Radio Association.
		And I hope that's what you're getting.
		That's not what I'm getting, but I hope that's what you're getting.
		That's what I put up there.
		Now, as you can see, I am DU1W60BB.
		How about that?
		Pretty cool.
		I'm very proud of that.
		So licensed by reciprocal agreement now to operate here in the Philippines.
		Next step, put up an antenna.
		Easier said than done.
		We're on the 19th floor.
		That's just one floor from the roof of a building here.
		And speaking of the 19th floor, last night, I forget the time, but it was pretty late, you know, 1 o'clock or 1.30 in the morning or 2 o'clock, something like that.
		Anyway, we had an earthquake.
		Now, it rocked and rolled.
		This was about only a 5.6, something like that, about 90 miles south of Manila.
		But on the 19th floor of the building, now they even felt it down on the main floor.
		But up here on the 19th floor, it was kind of like an amusement park ride.
		The building, of course, is modern and meant to withstand that sort of thing, but it still had the amusement ride kind of feeling to it, if you follow me.
		The back and forth.
		You know, we're 200 feet in the air, swaying back and forth.
		Hmm, isn't this fun?
		Aaron came running in and said, oh, my God.
		And I said, no, it's just an earthquake.
		It'll be all right.
		And it took a while to settle down, and we rocked back and forth for a while.
		So there you have it.
		Here's something I want to cover.
		This is very important, unbelievable.
		The internet hoax, the horrible hate, the Filipino hate letter that has circled the world more times than commercial airliners put together, has once again circled the world.
		But unfortunately, and here's where I'm going to need your help, as you can see by clicking on it, the damnedest thing has happened.
		It seems as though another newspaper here in the Philippines, another newspaper here in the Philippines, has decided to just pluck this article off the internet and print it in their newspaper.
unidentified		This is dated, let's see, where is the date?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		October 18th.
		So just a couple of days ago, this was printed in the Baha'i Chronicle, B-O-H-O-L Chronicle.
		And you can read this hate letter.
		Of course, I did not write it.
		Now, there is something you can do for me.
		If you'll note at the bottom of this horrid little piece of garbage that somebody wrote, and by the way, just a little history.
		This years ago was traced by the FBI to somebody who sent it from a computer at UCSD, the University of California at San Diego campus.
		Somebody went into the library many years ago and sent it out under my name, and it's gone around the world a million times.
		And now this newspaper has decided to me, I mean, the Philippine Inquirer, which was the big national newspaper here in Manila, did that years ago, picked it up and just published it without checking anything.
		If they'd gone to Google and put in Philippine hate letter or letter and Art Bell, they would have known it was false.
		If they'd gone to my website, they would have known it was false.
		If they'd done almost any checking at all anywhere, they would have known it was false.
		But no, they just plucked it off the internet and printed it as though it were truth.
		Now we have demanded a retraction.
		But in the meantime, at the bottom of this horrid little letter, just printed, you can check the date yourself, there is an opportunity for people to give feedback.
		Feedback to the journalist who wrote this.
		And I would dearly love it if you would make your way to coast2coastam.com, click on this, and then give them some feedback.
		Oh, please give them some feedback.
		I am so sick of this.
		It is so dangerous for me and for my family to have this sort of thing running around in the first place, but now to have it in print in a newspaper here in the Philippines once again is so incredibly dangerous that, well, I just hope you will take a moment and go up there and give them some feedback.
		I'll leave that to you.
		So there you have it.
		That's up at the top of the website.
		You'll find it very quickly.
		And then if you click on the second link provided, why you'll see the entire history of the letter.
		But the first link is just their website portion of the newspaper.
		And fortunately, they did allow for feedback.
		So you just put in your name and email address.
unidentified		do me a favor and give them some feedback.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are going to have a first hour.
		I can play a little fast and loose with time here because we're going to have open lines.
		And by the way, when we do go to open lines later, we're going to have a specific topic we're going to deal with.
		Do you realize that the world appears to be on the verge of optical invisibility?
		I'm sure many of you have read the article on the website.
		If not, I will certainly recite it for you when we get to it.
		But I thought we might have some fun tonight with open lines.
		Invisibility has always been something I've loved.
		In fact, I just read a very old book by H.F. Saint, which was turned into a movie with Trevi Chase and Daryl Hanna.
		Remember that?
		The Invisible Man.
		If you ever get an opportunity, if you ever get an opportunity to get hold of the book, movie was okay.
unidentified		The book was awesome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely awesome.
		And I just had reread this.
		And all of a sudden, here comes this article about optical invisibility.
		So we might actually have the opportunity to become invisible.
		So when we talk in open lines a little later, I would like to know what it is you would like to do should you be given the opportunity to become invisible.
		Anyway, we'll get to that later.
		Looking quickly at the news, President Bush says I won't change strategy in Iraq.
		President Bush conceded Friday that right now it's tough for American forces in Iraq, but the White House said he would not change U.S. strategy in the face of pre-election polls that show voters are, well, upset.
		My thinking was it wouldn't be a hell of a much of a policy, would it, if he changed it just for the election?
		North Korea North Korea showed Signs Friday that it could be backing away from its nuclear showdown with the world.
		Even staged a show of domestic support in Pyongyang.
		Tens of thousands gathered, and Kim Jong apologized.
		said, sorry.
		You know, the nuclear...
		Just doesn't seem like it does it.
		Nuclear detonations and sorry.
		They don't go together.
unidentified		I don't think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then this, Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld, rather, Iraq must take over security.
		The Iraqi government is going to have to take over its country's security sooner rather than later, according to our Defense Secretary.
		Now, that sure sounds like Vietnam of the war to me.
		I hate, you know, I'll get a lot of hate mail because I say that.
		People can't figure me out.
		I am neither.
		It depends on the issue.
		Sometimes I'm pro-administration.
		Sometimes I'm very anti-administration.
		And, you know, in this case, on the one hand, we're not changing policy because of the elections.
		On the other hand, we're talking about getting out, you know, turning it over to the Iraqis, the Iraqization of the war.
		Then one more little item here before we go to break and then our guest.
		Global warming study predicts wild ride.
		This is in the AP National News.
		The world, especially the western United States, the Mediterranean region, and Brazil, will likely suffer more extended droughts, heavy rainfalls, and longer heat waves over the next century because of global warming, according to a news study.
		So I've got a guest coming up on climate in a moment whose name is Roy Spencer, no minor functionary in this area.
		Roy Spencer, in fact, is a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville.
		He has been senior scientist for climate studies at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama, directs research into the development and application of satellite passive microwave remote sensing techniques for measuring global temperature, water vapor, and precipitation.
		Dr. Spencer is the recipient of NASA's Medal for Exceptional Scientific Achievement and the American Meteorological Society Special Award for his satellite-based temperature monitoring work.
		He is the author of numerous scientific articles that have appeared in Science, Nature, Journal of Climate, Monthly Weather Review, Journal of Atmospheric and Oceanic Technology, Journal of Climate and Applied Meteorology, Remote Sensing.
		That's not like remote viewing, by the way, reviews.
		Advances in space research and climate change.
		Dr. Spencer received his Ph.D. in meteorology from the University of Wisconsin in 1981.
		We will speak with him in a moment.
		Well, I sure like this title in the AP News this hour, Global Warming Study Predicts Wild Ride.
		Dr. Spencer, welcome back to the program.
unidentified		Hey, Art, glad to be with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I remember correctly, you and your boss disagree on some minor points with regard to where the climate is going, but in general, you agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that fair?
unidentified		Well, I think it's safe to say that virtually everyone in this business, including us so-called skeptics, believe there is global warming.
		I know lately Al Gore has taken to calling us global warming deniers, but global warming skeptics don't deny global warming.
		We just deny the source of it.
		We aren't convinced that mankind is totally responsible for it or maybe even half responsible for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it matters.
		I think that was my point to you the last time we spoke.
		I mean, what's the diff?
		Whether we're doing it or whether it's a natural cycle, the implications of it on humanity, since everybody almost now agrees it's real, we ought to be concentrating on that.
unidentified		Well, there's no question that we ought to be concentrating on adaptation to some extent because, you know, we need to be prepared for it, like you said, in either event.
		It just is that if it's natural, it's just as likely that it'll start cooling again based on past climate history, whereas if it's man-made, then, you know, we keep pumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, and that's going to continue for many decades, and things will just keep getting worse.
		So I guess I see more of a distinction for the importance of whether it's natural or man-made than you do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, fair enough.
		But even if we're just contributing, I mean, certainly at some level, we're contributing to gases in the atmosphere.
		I don't think anybody could really honestly argue we're not, could they?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		Like I like to say, it's kind of hard for the Earth to not know that there's 6 billion people living here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And we are putting gases into the atmosphere.
		Now, we can argue until we're blue in the face about how much effect that's having.
		One thing we can see is that, oh, for example, at the North Pole, well, gee, most of the ice appears to be going away.
		And, in fact, we're going to be able to navigate the North Pole pretty soon here with a ship.
		In fact, maybe even now.
unidentified		Well, the warmest temperature anomalies anywhere on Earth right now are at the North Pole.
unidentified		And that's something that our satellite data shows, as well as the surface thermometer data, that the amount of warming we've seen in, let's say, in the last 30 years or the last 50 years is greater at the North Pole than any place else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is that?
unidentified		Well, no one knows for sure.
		I mean, if you believe what I call the global warming alarmists, it's mankind putting carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
		Now, the surface thermometer data that we have in the past suggests that the 1930s were just as warm around the North Pole.
		And, of course, back then, we really didn't know how much sea ice there was up there because there weren't that many people to get around.
		And, of course, we didn't have the satellites.
		By the way, I'm head of a NASA team of scientists, one of which does that ice monitoring work with instruments on Earth-orbiting satellites.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think that Dr. Hansen, who's the top guy at NASA, is so alarmed?
unidentified		Jim Hansen, I understand where he's coming from.
		For one thing, he's a climate modeler.
		You know, he puts the physics of the climate system into a computer model and tries to predict the future.
		Well, he's done a pretty good job of explaining climate variations over the last century.
		Warming up until about 1940, then some cooling until the 70s, and then warming since then.
		The trouble is, is a lot of us believe what he's been doing is an exercise in curve fitting.
		Since we don't understand natural climate variations, what we do understand is that we're putting carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
		The theoretical basis for global warming is reasonably well understood.
		And so everybody tends to interpret what the climate system is doing in terms of man-caused activity.
		So, you know, to sum it up, he has come up with an explanation for the current warmth that is entirely based on man-produced pollutants.
		Now, I would say that, yes, that is one possible explanation, but there are also other possible explanations, for instance, a change in cloudiness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cloudiness?
unidentified		Yeah, hard to believe, but clouds actually affect the average temperature of the Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's not hard to believe at all.
		Now, how much effect does the ocean have on our weather?
		My answer as a pedestrian would be quite a bit.
unidentified		Oh, it's a huge effect because the oceans can store at least 1,000 times more heat than the atmosphere can.
		So what they do is they tend to moderate climate influences.
		You know, if there's a warming tendency for the Earth, the oceans will absorb a lot of that heat and lead to very little warming.
		But the flip side of it is they can store so much heat that a small change in ocean circulation just due to the chaotic behavior of the ocean can lead to climate change.
		And that's something we have very little understanding of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another thing that's disturbed me, and this could well be out of your field of expertise, but I guess it would relate to it.
		There's an article saying that they're now counting about 200 what they call dead zones in the ocean, that is to say, where no animals, no fish, no, you know.
		Nothing above microbial size lives.
		It's just all dead, dead zones in the ocean.
		Now, on the face of it, that seems possibly worrisome.
unidentified		Well, of course, as a scientist, the first thing I would ask is, how do we know they weren't dead before?
		And if we do know they're caused by mankind, how big are they?
		Is it something we can live with?
		I mean, after all, humans produce pollution.
		We can spend some of our wealth to clean up after ourselves to some extent, but it is impossible to not pollute.
		So at some point, you have to decide how much trouble are we going to go to to fix something.
		Are we all going to go back to living in caves to minimize our influence on the environment?
		No.
		I don't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, of course we're not.
		However, that leads to another sort of discussion we could have, and that is the muzzling of a lot of climate scientists.
		I just wonder about that, including the big man there at NASA.
		An awful lot of articles have been muzzled.
		I mean, a lot of scientists have been muzzled.
		Hold tight where you are, doctor.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		That worries me.
		Even the people that I know that Dr. Spencer, to some degree or perhaps even a great degree, disagrees with, they've been muzzled.
		And you've got to wonder why.
		And the only answer I've been able to come up with is because, well, somebody's figured out we can't do a damn thing about it anyway.
		So why alarm all of you?
		I'm Art Bell.
		My guest is Dr. Roy Spencer.
		He's principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, has been the senior scientist for climate studies at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center.
		And so he's obviously quite a guy to have on.
		I just wanted to get this in before the break, and then we'll get his reaction to it.
		This is not Dr. Hansen who's complained bitterly about being censored.
		But instead, scientists at a world-renowned climate research lab in New Jersey say their discoveries are being hidden from public view because their conclusions on global warming differ from those in the Bush administration.
		The scientists part of the research staff of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration say a spate of press releases, as well as a position paper reviewing various studies on the risks of global warming, have been squashed, squashed actually, by officials of the Commerce Department.
		The researchers work at the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory in Plainsboro, a small branch of NOAA, and the birthplace of the technique that uses computer models to forecast climate.
		They say the press releases and the position paper detailed reports linking intensified hurricanes to global warming.
		The reports also predict spells of intense weather like droughts, floods, and paint some warnings as irreversible.
		What can I tell you, the scientists say?
		We're simply telling them something they don't want to hear.
		It came from Richard Weatherade.
		That's an interesting name, a career scientist at the federally funded center.
		But the public is not being informed when these things are zapped.
		In a moment, we'll get the doctor's reaction to that.
unidentified		The Doctor's Reaction Doctor, welcome back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps you would like to That's some other researchers back east.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And just as a general principle, I wonder how you feel about these reports and so forth and so on being squished.
unidentified		Well, I do have some opinions on this since I worked for NASA for 14 years.
		I would say that all things considered, scientists within the agencies, government agencies that do global warming research, actually have very little to worry about being muzzled, mostly because these organizations, especially NOAA and NASA, in order to keep getting funding from Congress to study the global warming problem, there has to be a global warming problem.
		So typically what I've found is that agency administrators in Washington will tend to spin things to make global warming look worse.
		Now the people you referred to that were supposedly muzzled at GFDL, a modeling group up there, they've published their results in Nature magazine.
		I don't know specifically what happened in this instance.
		I know with Jim Hansen, the media made a much bigger deal out of the thing than they should have because when I worked for NASA, I was told before doing congressional testimony to stick to my area of expertise and don't get drawn into policy issues.
		Well, that's because they knew that my policy views did not help NASA sell its programs to Congress.
		Now, Jim Hansen, you've heard lately, you know, in the last year or so, claimed he was muzzled.
		Well, he had gotten used to saying whatever he wanted to say.
		And I think what happened there is the administration just reminded NASA to enforce its own rules.
		And its own rules are that we are not supposed to talk to the media unless we go through our management chain first.
		And in fact, that's one reason why I resigned NASA four years ago is I just got tired of the constraints.
		So now I'm with the university and I can pretty much say whatever I want to, and here I am on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's true.
		But as you point out, no longer with NASA.
		Now, if you were still with NASA, somehow I just don't think you'd be here tonight.
unidentified		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's not just Jim Hanson, though, Dr. Hanson making these remarks about being censored.
		This is an entirely different group.
		And, you know, they're claiming here, I could read on, but they're claiming they were denied the ability to do interviews.
		They simply were not allowed To do interviews and talk about their findings.
unidentified		Well, again, I don't have the specifics of this case.
		I can say that their bosses, you know, these people do have bosses that can tell them what they can and can't do.
		And I was in that position, too.
		I don't know what the reasons are, why they were denied being able to talk to the media.
		But I do think that to the extent that anyone is being muzzled, that that is a mistake.
		I mean, when an agency puts pressure on its scientists to say something or to not say something, that's a bad thing because people...
		That's right.
		Absolutely right.
		And it's just bad PR.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And what about this?
		I've tried to consider why the administration or the powers that be, if you want to just look at it that way, don't want this talked about.
		And one of the possibilities, one of the darker possibilities, it's my job to consider the darker possibilities, is that really this is happening, whether it be man-made or just cyclic, whatever.
		It is happening, and it potentially is really bad.
		And there's not a damn thing anybody can do about it.
		So there's no point in turning the economy upside down, going back to bicycles or whatever they would have us do, because it's going to happen anyway.
		So why bother to shake people up?
unidentified		Well, that is a very important point, and most people don't realize something that you just said that I think too many people don't understand, which is that even if we decide that global warming is going to be very serious, let's say it's all due to mankind, there's no way to turn it around in the coming few decades because mankind depends on fossil fuels so much.
		Conservation isn't going to help.
		Hybrid cars are not going to help.
		Compact fluorescent bulbs are not going to help.
		If we start embracing nuclear power again, that could alleviate some of the problem.
		But what we need is new energy technology.
		That's the only thing that's going to solve the problem.
		And that's where I really get upset with playing around with things like the Kyoto Protocol or the McCain-Lieberman bill.
		These are just efforts where bureaucrats can pat themselves on the back and say they did something for the environment or the planet when, in fact, they're doing virtually nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's take a moment and talk about real alternatives.
		Now, is it legitimate to complain that the administration, this and others, and none of them have really gone that far.
		Some have been better than others from the point of view of environmentalists, I suppose.
		But basically, none of them have really gone whole hog to try and get a major change that actually would have some effect.
		We all know we have energy problems.
		So what do you think?
		Do you think that there's any chance?
unidentified		There's a few things that are operating here.
		First of all, is that we live with a free market economy.
		When we try to change things, the way things operate with government-mandated policies, it usually turns out bad.
		Things usually turn out the best if we let the people decide through their decisions of what to buy and sell.
		That's usually the best for the economy, almost always the best for the economy.
		Now, that being said, the government is already investing billions of dollars, billions of your dollars, into new energy technologies, research into new technologies.
		And that's what we should be doing.
		Environmentalists make it sound like we're not doing anything.
		Well, we are.
		We're, in fact, putting a lot of money into the only place where the solution is going to be found, which is new technology.
		So, you know, I think the future actually looks more rosy.
		I mean, a lot of it, it starts to feel like Paul Ehrlich and his population bomb, you know, that by now most of humanity was supposed to have starved and all that, but mankind is amazingly resilient.
		As Julian Simon used to say, the greatest natural resource this planet has is the human mind.
		And we're going to fix problems as they arise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, what do you see?
		Make me feel rosy for a moment.
		What do you see on the horizon that really has a possibility of making the kind of change that we both know we need?
unidentified		Well, so far, there isn't, that I can tell, there isn't any kind of magic silver bullet on the horizon.
		Nuclear, as I said, would help.
		There's so-called clean coal technology.
		There's actually a couple of test plants generating electricity from coal and actually storing or sequestering the carbon dioxide that's produced and pumping it deep into the ground.
		So that's one possibility is this clean coal technology, which would be great for the U.S. because we have a lot of coal reserves.
		So there are some possibilities.
		You've heard of the hydrogen economy, having fuel cell cars that run on hydrogen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trust me.
		It never made sense to me, though.
		In other words, you can store hydrogen and then use that as fuel, but you need energy to create the hydrogen, and then you need the economy to store and distribute the hydrogen.
		And by the time you're all said and done, I don't know how much you've really done in terms of real change.
unidentified		I couldn't have said it better myself, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really, really.
unidentified		That's very true.
		Most people don't realize we don't have a source of hydrogen.
		It takes energy to generate it.
		I think the way it might work well is if we used a lot of nuclear power, which is supposedly a lot safer these days, but let's not get into that.
		If we used nuclear power and then relied on the electricity to generate hydrogen, then we've alleviated that much more dependence on fossil Fuels because we're now using electricity to power our cars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's certainly true, but the politics of nuclear energy development are just really pathetic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm sure you don't think we're going to have very many new plants begin construction anytime soon.
unidentified		Well, no, but we do have existing plants that can be brought back online.
		Where I live, part of our power is nuclear.
		Of course, you know, if we look to the French, you know, 70 to 80 percent of their electricity is nuclear.
		I think nuclear has gotten a really undeserved black eye.
		You know, coal kills a lot of people.
		You know, black lung disease, mining disasters.
		There were no nuclear power plant deaths until Chernobyl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's certainly true.
		Now, the only sort of kink in the whole idea of nuclear power plants sprouting up all over the place would be this damn terrorism business.
		I think nuclear plants, particularly as we make them in the United States and the Western world, are just fine unless you consider somebody who actually wants to damage one and has the means to do so.
		In other words, willful damage.
unidentified		Right, yeah.
		And I'm not an expert in that risk and how well that risk can be mitigated.
		I do know that most of the nuclear waste from spent fuel has been stored in the containment buildings that the reactors are actually in.
		And those containment buildings, you know, they're kind of dome-shaped concrete structures.
		I'm told that those are supposed to be able to withstand the direct hit from a jet aircraft flying directly into it.
		And, you know, between that and just security, the heavy security around these areas, it seems like that's a problem that could be pretty much solved.
		But, you know, we live in a risk-adverse society, don't we?
		I mean, everyone is trying to avoid risk without ever talking about benefits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is true.
		It is absolutely true.
		And God knows we need energy, and we need cheap energy, and our economy depends on that.
		People don't understand how closely energy is tied to all the rest of the economy and the price of almost everything.
		And by the way, it is notably interesting to me that the closer the election gets, the cheaper oil seems to be.
		Now, that could be a gigantic coincidence, I suppose.
		But it always happens.
		Every time we get near an election, the price of oil falls.
		You notice that?
unidentified		Well, oil is a global commodity.
		Its price is controlled by supply, demand, speculators that are speculating on future supplies.
		Whether there's trouble in the Middle East that might prevent supplies in the future, nobody has control over the price of oil.
		I understand a lot of people think that the administration does or whoever, but no one does.
		It's all of humanity that has the control over the price of oil.
		Well, as well as OPEC, if they decide to cut back production, price is going to go back up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Theoretically, I could not agree with you more.
		It's a big world spot market, and the price is the price.
		But amazingly, I mean, it is an amazing coincidence that every time we have an election coming close, the price of oil does drop.
unidentified		Well, I had never heard that before, Art.
unidentified		Maybe you're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, it is so.
		It's amazing.
		It's just absolutely amazing.
		I mean, it is, you know, it's dropping right now.
unidentified		Yes, yeah, it's been dropping.
unidentified		Although I saw that OPEC just decided to cut production, so that's going to push prices back up to some extent, I would think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably after the election, though.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it really is amazing the way it works.
		And I fully understand the market mechanics and how impossible what I'm saying really is.
		And yet it is happening.
		It has happened before.
		Well, anyway, if Dr. Hansen is correct, let's do this.
		If you're wrong about the ice, for example, at the North Pole, you're suggesting that, well, perhaps the ice comes and goes cyclically at the North Pole.
		But if you're wrong on that, and in fact, the North Pole is melting as it never has melted before, and none of us knows what's true here.
		But if that should be true, then what would that mean for us?
unidentified		Well, the concern about the North Polar sea ice cover is that as it melts, since ice, especially snow-covered ice, reflects sunlight, the more ice melts, the more sunlight comes in.
		That's called a positive feedback.
		If there's a little bit of warming that causes the ice to melt, the ice melting is a positive feedback, which amplifies the warming because the ice was, when it was there, was reflecting sunlight back to outer space.
		So there is concern that if it did melt, that the polar region could warm even faster.
		Again, I'm using your premise that I'm wrong and that we are responsible for global warming and that this trend is going to continue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's probably at least a 50-50 bet since neither one of us has the ability to look back and we didn't have satellites to know if it ever happened before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's kind of like 50-50, I would think, wouldn't you?
unidentified		Well, now, let me make a big picture comment.
		The climate system, weather, every drop of rain that falls, every gust of wind are all acting as part of one huge process that is constantly trying to move heat From where there's too much to where there isn't enough.
		The atmosphere and the ocean are gigantic heat engines, and what they do best is find a way to get rid of excess heat.
		It is my belief that we aren't going to see much climate change due to whatever, because I believe that is fundamentally a stabilizing mechanism on the climate.
		Now, some people point to, well, you know, then how did we get the ice ages?
		I'm not sure that we have much of a clue at all what caused the ice ages.
		And I did say earlier in the show that chaotic changes in the climate system are possible.
		But, you know, given, like you said, you know, if it's going to happen, if there is the possibility, the best thing mankind can do is be ready for it so that we can adapt to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, am I ever in favor of that.
		All right.
		Well, listen, Doctor, I'm not going to hold you.
		We've got open lines coming up, but I really, really appreciate your joining us in the first hour.
		And we will soon have you back to do an entire program.
		How's that?
unidentified		That sounds fine art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Dr. Roy Spencer, thank you very much, and you have a wonderful night.
		We're going to move toward Open Lines.
		It's a Friday night, Saturday morning across North America.
		The sun is well down.
		It's good and dark.
		It's a good night for that kind of thing.
		And you know what?
		We're going to talk, along with Open Lines, a little bit about what you would do if you were invisible.
unidentified		I'm Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
		Here I am.
		It's my honor and privilege to be escorting you through the weekend and again, filling in for George Norrie, who has a well, well-deserved night off.
		It's going to be a very interesting for me afternoon and for most of you, the majority of you, night.
		Let me roll over very quickly once again.
		The webcam photo tonight is up at the top of the page, not on the side as it normally is.
		And it is my lifetime membership in Para, and it came along with the licensing, the reciprocal licensing for ham radio that I received here.
		So art is now thinking about an antenna.
		And then below that, very, very, very important, really very important, another newspaper here in the Philippines has published that godforsaken hate letter that's been bouncing around the world for years since it was authored by some total jerk who went to the UCSD campus in San Diego and sent it out in my name, according to the FBI.
		And so why any newspaper would just pluck something off the internet, do no checking whatsoever.
		I mean, you all can try it yourself.
		Put in the name Art Bell and hate letter or Philippine hate letter, and you'll immediately find out it's a hoax.
		And so that's the very least they could have done.
		But no, they just published it.
		And here I am in the Philippines.
		So, of course, that means, you know, a lot of danger for my family here.
		And I hope you will take the opportunity to go down to the bottom of that letter.
		Even if you don't read it all, it's pretty ugly.
		And render your comments to them.
		Give your comments to them.
		I'd surely appreciate that.
		Now, we've got open lines coming up.
		That means you can talk about anything you want.
		But I do want to suggest a topic.
		This has always been a favorite of mine.
		I mentioned a little while ago, H.F. Saint wrote a book called Memoirs of an Invisible Man.
		It's an old book.
		It turned into a movie with Chevy Jace and Daryl Hanna, interesting movie.
		The book, like in so many cases, was so much better.
		But the movie was also good.
		Now, if you get a chance, read the book.
		It's an old book, but boy, is it engrossing.
		And it combines now with new technology that's causing me to ask the question that I will ask in a moment.
		Harry Potter and Captain Kirk would be proud.
		A team of American and British researchers has made a cloak of invisibility.
		Well, okay, it's not perfect yet, but it is a start, and it did a pretty good job of hiding a copper cylinder.
		Now listen, in this experiment, the scientists used microwaves to try and detect the cylinder.
		Like light and radar waves, microwaves bounce off things, making them visible and creating a shadow, though it has to be detected with instruments.
		If you can hide something from microwaves, you can hide it from radar.
		A possibility that will have the military frothing at the mouth.
		Cloaking differs from stealth technology, which doesn't make an aircraft invisible, but reduces the cross-section available to radar, making it very hard to track.
		Cloaking simply passes the radar or other waves around the object as if it weren't there, kind of like water flowing around a smooth rock in a stream.
		The new work points the way for an improved version, now listen very carefully, that could hide people and objects from visible light.
		Conceptually, the chance of adapting the concept to visible light is good, cloak designer David Schrig said in a telephone interview, but a researcher associate in Duke University's electrical and computer engineering added, from an engineering point of view, it is very challenging.
		Nevertheless, the cloaking of a cylinder from microwaves comes just five months after Schrigg and colleagues published their theory that it should be possible.
		So real invisibility may be just around the corner.
		They may learn how to make human beings invisible.
		And of course, that brings up the age-old question.
		If you were invisible, what would you do?
		What would you do?
		If you had the opportunity to become invisible, my goodness, there's just a whole line of things that you could do.
		I asked my, and by the way, I asked my wife what she'd do if she were invisible.
		And she said she'd follow me around, make sure I didn't get involved with another woman.
		She knows better than that, or ought to, but that's what she said.
		Anyway, I'm kind of curious what all of you would do, given the opportunity to become invisible.
		Nevertheless, your comments are not at all bound by that suggestion.
		It's just that here we have the finally we have the real story, and I think invisibility is so cool.
		Would I do some of the things that probably would be thought of as no-nos?
		I've got to be honest, yes, I probably would.
		Would I sneak into a girl's dorm?
		And girl watch?
		Maybe.
		And then there would be endless other things that one could do.
		Certainly one could become really rich.
	I mean, there would be endless opportunities in that area as well, and so many others.
	So I thought it'd make a great question for open lines.
	Otherwise, anything you want to talk about is certainly fair game.
	Now, you may or may not hear some banging going on.
	I live in a condominium unit, as you know, and while they don't bang on the weekends, they are working on a condominium unit above me.
	And should you hear any large bangs, that's where it comes from.
	They probably are doing flooring work above me, and so we'll just have to live with it if it happens.
	Anyway, there you have it.
	In a moment, we're back.
	It's open lines.
	Anything you want to talk about, fair game.
unidentified		The End All right, this should be fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A Friday night, Saturday morning across most of North America.
		And here we go.
		First time caller line, you are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Is this Art Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be me, yes.
unidentified		Oh, wonderful.
unidentified		I have listened to you since 1991.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you.
unidentified		And you saved my life by giving me something to listen to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how did I save your life?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were ill at the time or what?
unidentified		Yeah, I had heart problems and things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Talk radio is absolutely wonderful.
		I mean, it just passes the hours on the highway.
		It gets you through an illness.
		Instead of dwelling on what's wrong with you, you can sink your mind into what we're talking about.
		It's all true.
unidentified		Yep.
		You pulled me out of some of the worst depression that a man could sink into.
		But one of the things I want to talk about is this global warming thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Does anybody ever understand that when you have a stove, a wood stove, and you keep putting wood into it, it gets hotter?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think most people kind of get that, yes.
unidentified		Well, what about the sun?
unidentified		It gets more garbage thrown into it in this part of the galaxy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean by garbage?
unidentified		Well, it gets stuff that falls in there, you know, fuel.
unidentified		And it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a nuclear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a constant nuclear fusion type reaction, so it doesn't really need a lot of fuel.
unidentified		I know.
		My friend, what I'm trying to get at is I studied geology and paleontology and archaeology.
		And when I was a student in Pasadena, we went and studied the bristle cone pine trees.
		And we found a real interesting thing happen about the amount of sun absorption that they got.
		And there was a direct correlation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what was that interesting thing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A direct correlation between the amount of sun they get and there was more heat.
unidentified		They had more water.
		They grew bigger.
		They grew faster.
		And this stuff that Mr. A.G. Gore is running around saying, well, it's because of our SUVs that's causing almost global warming.
		Oh, you know.
		No, no, no, no, no.
		No, no, no.
		It's all the garbage in the universe that's being funneled into the big stove, which is called the sun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		All right.
		So this gentleman feels that the sun, like a wood stove, continually gobbling comets and other planetary debris like a wood stove is getting hotter and causing global warming.
		Well, that's a new one on me.
		But one never knows, I suppose.
		Let's go to the first time caller line and say in Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania.
		Ron, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, thank you.
		Nice with you.
		Earlier, I heard you speaking with the gentleman regarding nuclear power and whatnot.
		And I do work with a nuclear power station at Shippingport, one of the first in the world.
		And them domes are created to keep any damage done.
		If the aircraft was to plow into it, it would protect the containment area.
		The used fuel pool is where they store the used fuel rod.
		And the life expectancy of a nuclear power station of this particular is usually 40 years.
		However, we just replaced the three steam generators in the reactor head on a major overhaul here this last year.
		And the fuel pole eventually will get full to where they won't be able to store it no more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's the problem.
		There's the problem, Ron.
		You see, they're all getting full.
unidentified		Right, well, my thought was they have these missiles that they send payloads up to space, and I can't see why they can't bundle them in that special epoxy that they used for the Land Rover and all these other things, stick them in these spaceships, and shoot them towards the sun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's an obvious answer to that.
		The last caller had the answer to that.
		Then you would be stoking the wood stove, according to my last caller, and global warming would go berserk, Ron.
unidentified		Well, no, because, like you say, the sun is actually nuclear fission, and all it would be doing would be disintegrating the uranium-spent uranium rods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was my last caller, Ron.
		The real problem with that idea is that, of course, one in X number of launches blows up.
		And if you had this very poisonous plutonium that you were launching and it blew up, there would probably be, well, a problem when it blew up.
unidentified		Well, they have this epoxy where they can actually encasele it to where if it was the drop, it wouldn't break.
		It's like, how can I explain it?
		I don't know the term of it.
		But they can encapsulate it to where it can't be damaged.
		But instead of dumping it in Yucca Mountain out in Washington, they can ship this, head it towards the sun.
		I mean, it'll be many years before it ever would even reach there, but it would basically burn up before it even got there, which would reduce the nuclear waste in the world because there's only so much room in this world that we live in.
		And once you use up the room for nuclear waste stuff, 10,000 years could go by and it would still be too radioactive to be worth anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, Ron, even hundreds of thousands of years.
		No, I don't think that launching it to the sun is really a spiffy idea.
		It has been suggested before because, as Ron mentioned, the sun is, or I mentioned, is a giant fusion process underway.
		So if you could safely get it to the sun, that would certainly make sense as a good idea.
		But we cannot safely get it to the sun.
		And launching it in a space vehicle is, at best, a risky idea, and at worst, would produce absolutely catastrophic results for all of us when the launch failed.
		So I don't think that would be at the head of the list of things to do.
		Let's go to this wildcard line and say, hello there, Tom and Tempe.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Oh, that's Tim Art, and it's a pleasure to talk to you.
		I've listened to you for years.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, Tim.
		That was me, not the screener.
		Your name is indeed Tim.
unidentified		Well, thank you.
		You know, I like to talk about the invisibility, and I believe that really the only way that we could get to terrorists in the al-Qaeda, where they live, would be something like that.
		I mean, to find him and to do something about it, I believe that he is so protected that that would be the only way to really get in and get him.
		Don't you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God, Tim, I forgot about this.
		Now, if we could become invisible, the terrorists could become invisible.
		And if you think we've got a problem now, imagine that.
		Oh, my God.
unidentified		That'd be terrible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would.
		But, of course, the United States would be first to have invisible people, agents, and so you're right.
		We could get them.
unidentified		Yeah, I think that'd work.
unidentified		And real quickly, what do you think of packet radio per hand?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that it's been superseded by newer technologies.
		Packet is actually kind of slow.
		And if you look into it, there's all kinds of new things.
		In fact, there are new ones coming out every day, digital modes that are much, much faster than packet.
unidentified		Is it affordable?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course, yes, of course.
		It's very affordable.
		I'm just saying that technology has marched forward, and there are new technologies that are really amazing, just amazing, that can be used by amateur radio or the military or anything else.
		And not to get too technical about it, but here's the deal.
		Some of these technologies are so good that if the signal received, in other words, if the signal coming out of your receiver is so low and so buried in the static and the mess that you cannot even hear it with the human ear, computers, on the other hand, can dig that signal out below the noise level and print a perfectly intelligible rendition of what was sent.
		It's amazing.
		East of the Rockies, without a lot of time here, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art, this is John from Springfield, Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, buddy.
unidentified		Hey, how are you doing?
unidentified		Why can't some of these remote viewers or psychics help you find this person that did this to you with, you know, that person had to brag to somebody or tell somebody that they did this to you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And even if they didn't, why can't they help me?
unidentified		You know, that newspaper printing that, if anybody does anything to you, they'll be complicit in the phone, whatever they're trying to do to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine how stupid that is to take something off the internet without checking, without doing any checking whatsoever, and just printing it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aside from the obvious issue of the liability and the fact that I could own, don't want to own, but could own their newspaper if I wanted to sue them.
unidentified		Get out coast to coast, most wanted, and have people call in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, I mean, it is so unprofessional.
unidentified		Yes, and you could write a book with the first time I heard Art Bell, you know, everybody has their own story.
		You know, the first time I heard you was probably in 1998, and somebody had called in and said the Mormons were aliens.
		And the thing I heard when I was going through the radio, you said, oh, no, not the Mormons, too.
		And that caught me from that line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they may be aliens.
unidentified		They may be aliens.
		And I was going to say, if you put that antenna on top of your roof, you're not going to get struck by lightning or anything.
		It'll be like a big lightning rod.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's interesting you should mention that.
		We're at the tail end here of the rainy season.
		And when I tell you that we've been getting smacked with lightning, boy, I'm telling you, we've really had some.
		So I've been very pleased that up until this point, I have not had an antenna on the roof.
unidentified		You didn't get that weather in Nevada, did you?
unidentified		The typhoon, earthquake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, we know.
		Well, we've got plenty of lightning storms.
		No typhoons.
		The typhoon.
		Oh, man, was that scary.
		Okay, sir.
		Thank you very much, and you have a good night.
		So that's West of the Rockies.
		Yes, the typhoon was quite an affair.
		If you can imagine, it was almost like a horror movie.
		The windows that we have, and they are particularly well-made, thick, typhoon-proof windows, and they were bending in, kind of like in a horror show.
		I almost felt like, and for a moment, I did.
		I actually went up to the window and put my hand on it and pushed the other way.
		And in about 10 seconds, I decided, boy, is this stupid, because if this window shatters, I'm going to be in little pieces.
		From Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell.
		Here I am indeed.
		Robert in Port Orchard, Washington says, hey, Art.
		Why no webcam picture?
		There is a webcam picture.
		Would somebody confirm that for me, please?
		Up at the top of the website, and not in the normal place.
		It'll pop up in the normal place tomorrow night, but tonight, because I'm filling in for George, it's up at the top of the website, the very top.
		So please let me know it is there.
		He says not.
		He goes on, if I were invisible, I'd head for the White House first, then set my sights toward Jodi Foster's hot tub.
		More in a moment.
		Well, all right, I'm getting some confirmation that indeed the webcam photograph is being seen.
		On the fourth wildcard line, John in Long Island, New York, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		How are you?
		Just a couple of comments.
		First of all, being invisible, I'd have to hit the Playboy Mansion.
		You have to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a worthwhile endeavor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can see spending a little time there, sure.
unidentified		And the other comment, I spoke to you once about a month or so ago.
		If you ever move back to the United States, move back to Long Island.
		Since you have a kid on the way, you've got the best schooling, you got the best beaches, you got the best city in the world, you take a limo out to Manhattan, you take your wife to Tavern on the Green, she'll love it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if we do get back to the United States, I will certainly show her around the United States, and that'll be one area we'll get to, and we'll see what she thinks of it.
unidentified		Hey, good luck with your child.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you, buddy.
		And take care.
		Yeah, the Playboy Mansion, it'll be worth roaming around in there a little bit.
		I mean, you know, invisibility, there would be a fun side to it, wouldn't there?
		Haven't you ever thought about it?
		Being invisible?
		The memoirs of an invisible man were very interesting in that his invisibility, for example, did not hide.
		When he would eat certain things, the food could be seen going down, you know, esophagus on down into the stomach where it mixed in some disagreeable kind of way and looked pretty bad until it was digested.
		That was one problem he had.
		Another was that when it would rain, it would indeed sort of show his invisibility or the outline of his person for a short time.
		And I can see that sort of thing happening.
		This is not just idle chat.
		We're talking about invisibility because scientists are actually very close to it.
		You can read the story, if you wish, on CoastCoseM.com.
		But what a mixed-up world it would be if invisibility actually came to pass.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello there.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Mr. Bill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Calling Mr. Bill?
unidentified		From Tucson, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		You're in the Philippines tonight.
		You're a long ways away from Tucson.
		I wanted to ask you, Art, I know that from hearing from George that you're going to be doing the Halloween show on Tuesday night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ghost to ghost.
unidentified		Ghost to ghost.
		And I had to ask you, because you are halfway across the earth from where I'm at here in Arizona, do you see a phenomenon happening in the Philippines concerning Halloween?
		And the reason I ask that is because I took my daughter out to dinner the other night.
		We had a little simple Mexican meal, and we drove to all the neighborhoods here in southern Arizona.
		We took a three and a half hour drive, and we noticed something that I thought was phenomenal and kind of extraordinary.
		It seemed like neighborhood after neighborhood, house upon house, was decorated with extravagant lights and presentations.
		And you could tell these people had spent a lot of money presenting the spirit of Halloween.
		And we've never seen this in Tucson except for the time of The year, which is called Christmas, because we have a special neighborhood here in town.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, are you sure they're not actually decorating for Christmas?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They start that earlier and earlier now.
unidentified		Right, right.
		Is the phenomenon in the Philippines?
		Because I know that people around the world do celebrate Halloween, otherwise known as Samhain.
		Have you noticed anything extraordinary going on there?
		Because here in Tucson, things are just, we've never seen this before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe Tucson has turned to the dark side.
unidentified		Well, that's why I was wondering because, you know, you're on the other side of the earth, and I thought, well, this would be a great time to call art.
unidentified		And I've talked to my brother in Apache Junction and also my sisters in Houston, and they've also noticed the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe like in the body snatchers, you're one of the only ones not affected, but all of those around you have turned to the dark side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if I were you, I wouldn't go to sleep.
unidentified		Well, thanks, Art.
		I was hoping to get a little more of an in-depth question, but you know what?
		I'll take that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		I have no idea how to answer that.
		In our building, there's going to be a traditional Halloween celebration where the kids go from condo to condo in hopes of candy and or whatever else is available.
		However, I honestly don't know how Halloween is celebrated or not observed here in the Philippines.
		I will, during the next break, ask my wife, and we'll see what she has to say.
		First time caller line?
		No, sorry.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Aloha, Art.
unidentified		This is Dorm from the Kingdom of Hawaii, the place that now has a whole new meaning to the word rock and roll.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we did some rocking and rolling ourselves here last night.
		On the 19th floor, a 5.690 miles south of us was very, very disquieting.
		Yeah, disquieting.
		That's a good word.
unidentified		Well, see, the one we just had Sunday was the second one we've had in as many months.
unidentified		We had one almost a month, I mean, almost a day to the month of 3.1 off the southern tip here in Oahu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you worry at all that one of the islands, if not more, could suddenly, well, I don't know, sink?
unidentified		Highly unlikely, Art.
		These are more like sea mounds than anything else, gradually built up by volcanic activities.
		There's a five-mile stretch over on the big island by volcano, which is really in the dangerous slipping, which I understand has happened quite a few times through the ons.
		But the possibility of the entire island dropping, not all that good.
		The volcanoes over here have a rather unusual characteristic to them.
		One is that the reason they don't go boom is because they have a low silicone content to the lava.
		That means there's no massive buildup of gas behind a crystallization in between eruptions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		That's the reason they don't explode.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what I, you know, I listened to the seismologist talking about this earthquake, and what they said was that it was the weight, that's the weight of the volcanoes on the earth beneath the ocean that caused that earthquake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, if you think darkly, well, you can imagine that the weight of the islands could suddenly sort of cause a breakdown below and then...
unidentified		Actually, that was a very short story when it first happened that they said that it was a slip of the titanic plate that actually caused it, that it wasn't volcanic in nature.
		Not true.
		Not even close to being true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're telling me it was volcanic?
unidentified		Oh, definitely volcanic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a new one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hadn't heard that.
unidentified		Well, that's because unlike the Ring of Fire, right, where the majority of the Earth volcanoes reside on the planet, those are all on fault lines.
unidentified		the volcanoes formed here is due to a thin spot in the crust as each landmass slides across it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it's a thin spot, and it's because of the weight, now, where can I find out it's documented that it was volcanic in nature?
unidentified		That would be volcanic natural park over on the Big Island.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I mean, where is it written that they've discovered it was volcanic in nature, that earthquake?
unidentified		Oh, actually, they're not admitting to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		See, if you're not sure you have a danger of hurting the tourist rate, because then it would be a greater possibility of one happening again soon since we have the most active volcano on the planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, people tend to forget about these things pretty quickly after they happen.
		For example, last night's earthquake here.
		Again, we're on the 19th floor, so you really feel it.
		These buildings are designed to sway and be earthquake-resistant.
		I almost said earthquake-proof, but nothing is that.
		So earthquake-resistant would be the appropriate way to put it, I suppose.
		Let's go here and say hi to Chris in Los Angeles.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		It's a privilege to be on with you.
		I am unaware if you have mentioned anything about the Crop Circle conference that's taking place in November.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have not.
unidentified		There's some very interesting people that have been on your show who will be there, like Linda Howe and Russell Targ.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can well imagine.
		I think I've interviewed almost everybody who has anything to do with crop circles.
		What do you think crop circles are, sir?
		What is your theory?
unidentified		Well, I still have an open mind to that question.
		I have a feeling that, you know, in the beginning of my thoughts, I believe that the UFOs were probably the answer.
		And now I'm thinking it could be possibly other levels of consciousness here on Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I had to make a guess about what I thought it was, sir, I would say that I think that it's collective consciousness doing it.
		And as you well know, I have a great deal of faith in the fact that collective consciousness is a real power.
		Consciousness even has a singularity as a real power.
		And when multitudes or millions of minds are working on something, I think that it's a gigantic power, one not to be tampered with.
		You know my view on that.
		But it's entirely possible that that's where they're coming from.
		Us, the monster from the id, as it were.
		Okay, let's try wild card line three.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		That would be Tony in L.A. Art Bell, boy, do I have a ghost story for you.
unidentified		Are you ready for this one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're close enough to Halloween, so why not?
unidentified		Okay.
		My great-grandfather came to Los Angeles in 1866, and in 1882, he built a building that is in Little Tokyo.
		I don't know if you've been to L.A., but I'm actually one block from Parker Center, and I'm two blocks from L.A. City Hall.
		I still own the building.
		It's a National Historic Landmark Building.
		And with my 17-year, we'll put it mildly, a very rocky marriage, I've lived in the upstairs of this building for 11 years, which used to be a dance hall.
		Four years, Art, and I'm a retired police officer now, as a matter of fact.
		Four years, people have said, aren't you afraid of being in that haunted building today?
		And I said, yeah, blow it.
		I'm not listening to you.
		There's no haunting.
		It's, you know, if it was, it would be my family.
		Let me cut to the chase.
		I had a tenant downstairs that was there with a video store for 16 years.
		And they had the largest collection of adult Asian videos in the city of L.A. Now, before every caller now starts calling in and jumping on me, oh, the policeman's selling porn, I'm the landlord, okay?
		What they do, it's legal, it's on them, not on me.
		And the kids that worked there were actually like these Japanese national, like rock and roller kids.
		And I truly believe that they were on drugs.
		And anyway, they used to say the same thing.
		Is the building haunted?
		And I was like, okay, yeah, I don't want to hear it.
		I evict them.
		The guy that owned it goes bad.
		I evict him.
		He runs back to Japan, everything else.
		I'm stuck with all this porn.
		I start cleaning this place out.
		I'm sitting there five, six o'clock in the morning, cleaning it out.
		Some girl in the community says, let's just sell it a dollar a video.
		So I start selling it.
		Art, I have never had a problem in this building in my life.
		I feel very warm, very centered in the building.
		I mean, I'm like a trendsetter in loft living.
		If you follow me with that, I mean, it's a big deal in L.A. now.
		Well, I was doing it 11 years ago.
		Art, I'm in the building, and all of a sudden, I mean, when I'm selling these videos $1 a piece, and this is the truth, and I have work vice, every sick idiot in the world starts showing up, and they want to take the video boxes to go to the bathroom, if you're following me.
		And that's when stuff started happening.
		The electricity stops working in the building.
		I mean, the block is live, but you would turn lights on and they turn themselves off.
		All right, I'm wandering around the back of the building, which used to be a great-grandfather's blacksmith shop, and somebody smacks me in the back of the head, except there's nobody in the building except me.
		This stuff starts.
		So I then, I'm trying to go through this very quickly.
		I then start getting contacted that people in the community saying, well, yeah, people stopped going to the building because there was this very, very old man and very, very old woman that would stand in the corners in the adult sections and stare at them.
		And I thought, oh, boy, this isn't good.
		To make a long story short, you had a guest by the name of Dr. Larry Muntz, and I actually dealt with in 1997.
		The guy from Ghost Expeditions, I actually had dealt with Dr. Larry Muntz, reference a, this is no joke, it can be confirmed, about a Los Angeles police station that was haunted.
		We were having some problems in the station, and I'm not going to go into it.
		And Dr. Muntz had come in and run his tests and brought in his people and everything else.
		And the site of this actual station, the city got the property because an old woman had been raped and murdered on the location.
		I mean, that's legitimate.
		That's not just a made-up story.
		It's the truth.
		And there were some other things going on there, and Dr. Muntz dealt with it.
		So I called Dr. Larry Munster, and he starts looking into everything.
		And he even said, you know, this building is haunted.
		But the strange thing was, and you'll love this story.
		It's haunted, basically, by my relatives.
		And he said it's the most friendly haunting that he's ever met.
		Because I'm going to tell you, when one of my family members, they're thinking it's my great-grandmother.
		And again, I don't believe in ghosts, but I know what was going on and what's been happening in the building.
		It's a very warm, friendly feeling.
		Even to this day right now, after everything that went on, I'm not scared.
		Even when I got smacked, I wasn't scared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what do you mean you don't believe in ghosts?
unidentified		Art, okay.
		My family on my dad's side are Jewish.
		My mother's side were Christians.
		I'm a graduate of Pepperin University.
		I even went back eight years ago to learn Hebrew to a Bible college here in L.A. All fine, but again, you've been through this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've experienced it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can you not believe in that which you have actually experienced?
unidentified		I'm using the word ghost very loosely because I don't know what other word to use.
		The place obviously is, quote, haunted because I have a lack of better words.
		I believe that there's energy.
		I believe that there's family.
		And after listening to you for like 20 years, if you're a cop and sitting in a police car, you know, writing reports and stuff, you've listened to Art Bell, and I've heard all the people saying when they go to die, their family members show up.
		And then that scared.
		That is the only thing that probably scared me, thinking, why would my great-grandmother be hanging around?
		Maybe I'm getting ready to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you follow what I want to do.
		I do, all right.
		Well, thank you, Tony.
		Look, so there you have it, an ex-cop.
		I mean, look, I hit him with that because after you've actually experienced, it's kind of like UFOs.
		If you've seen something directly above your head, so close you could throw a rock at it, how can you not believe in what you've seen with your own eyes?
		East of the Rockies, not a lot of time, but you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello?
unidentified		Hey, yeah, I'm very glad to be on right now, man.
		I'm a huge fan of yours.
		I listen every weekend.
		I've got a story similar to The Last Caller, but it's about ghosts, but I don't know if you've ever heard of it.
		It's called the Doppelganger phenomenon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know what that is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's your own experience?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		See, it's been happening a lot lately to me, and I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, very quickly.
		Tell me.
		Explain.
unidentified		See, this morning I was brushing my teeth and I looked over and at the corner of my eye, peripheral vision, I saw myself.
		It was like a dark...
		It disappeared very quickly, but it was like a dark version of myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that is weird.
unidentified		I've been seeing it a lot lately.
		I don't know what causes it.
		Just like I'll wake up and look in the mirror and be right behind me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A version of yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I kind of like that.
unidentified		It's pretty scary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Well, it is kind of scary, and I wonder if it means if it's kind of a warning to you that something or another is about to happen, as though your time shifted a little bit.
		I don't know.
		Anyway, interesting stuff.
		You're the first person who has ever said to me, I looked around and saw a version of myself.
		That's definitely a new one.
		Anybody else experience anything like that?
		From Manila in the Philippines, Southeast Asia, I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		Giggles
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we are getting close to Halloween, and in an absolute tradition, I will be here on Halloween, and we will do what we call ghost-to-ghost.
		Very tradition, a big tradition on this radio program.
		I'm Art Bell.
		More of all of you in a moment.
		Thanks to the wonder of call screening, I can say it's the devil himself, JC.
		I think it's JC.
unidentified		Excuse me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		How dare you call me the devil when you know that you are the devil?
unidentified		The devil's mouthpiece.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For heaven's sake.
		Yeah, the devil's mouthpiece.
		That's what you always called me.
		No, I'm not.
unidentified		Yes, you are.
		It is a symptomatic symptom of the sickness that is surging and boiling up in this nation that row after row and house after house is decorated to celebrate your master's birthday.
		Halloween.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know they're just not celebrating an early Christmas?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what in the world is wrong with a carved-out pumpkin, Jay-C?
unidentified		Because a carved pumpkin is an invitation for demonic possession.
unidentified		It is, yes, it's a symptom of satanic worship.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's why they put a candle inside.
unidentified		That's right.
		So it'll draw the Satan from the flames.
		They create like a mini tiny inferno.
		It's a mini replication of hell to draw forth demons into your household and into your body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, when they put a little smile on the pumpkin, that's really an evil smile.
unidentified		That's exactly how the devil operates.
		He smiles at you.
		He says, look at all the wonderful, salacious things I have for you to enjoy.
		I'm your best friend.
		I'm your buddy.
		I'm the one who gave you information when God wouldn't give you information.
		I'm the one that gave you sex and pleasure and pornography and drugs and rock and roll and food and all the things that you can enjoy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's wrong with sex?
unidentified		Everything is wrong with it.
		Sex is dirty.
		It's disgusting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jay-Z, you know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's why Edna took the car and split.
unidentified		No, it's because the devil distorted her deceptions and created her to become one of his disciples, and she was distorted.
		Sex is not meant for pleasure.
		People have got it all wrong.
		You are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's why she left.
		That's why she left, JC.
		She had had it with you.
		Obviously, you probably.
unidentified		Because I wasn't going to give her sex.
		There you go.
		That's implying that we were in that kind of a relationship.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you know, she was actually a big supporter of yours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She sent me countless emails, JC.
unidentified		She did.
		And she was a supporter of yours, and I guess she just finally so righteous as to be in the service of God's 10-star, now recognized, 10-star general that I am, can be dissuaded and decepted and pulled away into satanic service, then you know that you're in danger as well.
		And it's a wake-up call from God that he's going to – You think these earthquakes aren't here from God?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Earthquakes from God?
unidentified		Yes, to punish.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I take it the Hawaiian people have misbehaved.
unidentified		Yes, because they do exotic dancing and they're always naked on savage islands like that, where they don't put their clothes on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Savage islands?
		Now, wait a minute.
		You're saying the hula is evil?
unidentified		Yes, it's a satanic sexual ritual to worship satanic gods.
unidentified		It's not American, is it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, Hawaii, believe it or not, JC, actually was admitted as a state sometime.
unidentified		I don't recognize them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't?
unidentified		No, because...
		No, because Alaska is a sleeper state for Russia.
		That's another thing that's not the Russians.
		That's a trick.
		The Alaskans are all Russian sleeper agents, and they've got a foothold in our nation, and they're going to invade down through Canada.
		You watch, Mr. Bell.
		It's already happening, and that's what's happening with Canadians.
		And Alaskans is they can look and act like regular Americans, and they're looking for a threat to Mexicans because they're actually smart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jay-Z, let's get the view of Alaskan on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Fairbanks, Alaska, Jeff, you're on with JC.
unidentified		Hello, you Alaskan traitor!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, did you hear that, Jeff?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you guys actually Russian agents?
unidentified		Agents of the devil?
		How much vodka have you drank tonight, you Russian roosting communist?
		Well, I'm French, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear that, JC?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's French.
unidentified		Oh, Daddy, Jenny.
		Make it out by saying I'm French.
		You French freak!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jaycee, be nice.
unidentified		I am being nice.
unidentified		I'm trying to help him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here, I'm letting you talk to my audience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody from Alaska.
unidentified		Defend yourself, you Frenchie.
		Come on now.
		What you got?
		Bring it to an American.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let him have it, Jeff.
unidentified		I don't know what to say to this guy.
		I think J.C. stands for just crazy.
		How dare you?
		How dare you would still take me in such a manner?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Insultate you?
unidentified		He's insultated me, Mr. Bell.
unidentified		Let me get someone who agrees with me, Mr. Abbey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The fact that Edna split is obvious evidence to, I think, all of us that even in your personal life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, do you know where she went?
unidentified		I have no idea.
unidentified		Last I heard, she was hanging out with truck drivers and truck stops.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		We're tracking her, though.
		We're going to find her and bring her back home to the Lord.
		And in the meantime, I am looking for a new servant.
		And they can reach me at Boiling Pitcher.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
		Wait a minute.
		You trample upon all women when you say something like that.
		What do you mean?
unidentified		Women need to get back in the kitchen, back to the kids, and do what they're told.
		Listen, women are, this is another reason why God is angry at America because women, they don't know their place anymore.
		Let me tell you, a woman is best when seen and not heard, but not seen wearing salacious things like, you need women these days.
		I go out to the mall and they've got belly button rings and skirts and shorts so small, I can't believe what I see.
		And they need to cover up.
		Women need to cover up and shut up.
		And it's great when a woman is working at home and cleaning the kitchen and raising the children and doing her man's bidding.
		But like Ann, who is that?
		Ann Coulter?
		Is that her name?
		That had that book recently?
		Yes.
		She's a wonderful conservative, but where's her husband?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		Where's Edna?
		Robin in Boulder, Colorado.
		You're on the air with JC.
		Any comments for JC?
unidentified		Permission.
		Oh, Lord.
		Wait, woman.
		Woman?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, let me say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She let Robin say something.
unidentified		I had to give her permission first.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You had to give you permission to speak, Robin.
unidentified		Well, I live with a cat.
		And you hear that, JC?
		Yes, you live with a cat.
		Continue.
		And she helps me in the kitchen.
		She does.
		But mostly I like to, you know, wear the pants.
		Are you a lesbian?
		Because it sounds to me like you're a lesbian.
		Well, actually, I am.
		Oh, my God.
		I knew it.
		I knew it.
		God, Lord.
		Thank you so much.
		See, God gives me all the information I need to know.
		Oh, my God.
		My cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, wait a minute, Jay-Z.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you have against lesbians, for goodness sake?
unidentified		Because they're rampaged across America and they hate men.
unidentified		Now, let me tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, wait a minute.
		Wait a minute, Jay Z. That's not necessarily true.
		It might be, but it's not necessarily true, Robin.
		Do you hate men?
unidentified		Oh, no.
		And by the way, have you ever been in a fist fight with a lesbian?
		Let me tell you, they'll take you to task.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure that if she could have a shot at you right now, she'd...
unidentified		Well, I'm kind of a.
		I'm kind of a mouse.
		I don't do much rampage.
		Oh, you're right.
		That's a lie.
		How many days have you tried to steal away from men?
		How many married women have you tried to seduce in your time with a Tupperware party?
		Come on over from Tupperware.
		Not too awful many.
		I'm kind of old for that now.
		Now, I know what happens at lesbian Tupperware parties.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lesbian Tupperware parties?
unidentified		Yes.
		Well, you tell me.
		I can't disclose those kinds of salacious details on the airwaves.
		There's something called the FCC, and I don't want to violate their laws and rules.
		I had never thought about having a lesbian Tupperware party.
		Now that you've given me that idea, I might have to give that a try.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a way to make money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jay-C, you just gave her a very capitalistic idea, a lesbian Tupperware party.
unidentified		I bet I could get rich and this is why you are so deceptive, Mr. Mel, because you could turn the Lord's words around and turn them into satanic propaganda.
		You truly are the devil's mouthpiece.
		This is an example right here of why you are so evil.
		And Missy, look, what you need to do is take off the flannel shirt, get into a church, and find a man.
		All you need is the right man that will change you back and turn you into a...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I won't say is to you because you don't want anything to do with sex, but to most other people.
unidentified		You are implying against my heterosexuality, my manliness?
unidentified		I'm not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, you said you don't.
unidentified		Well, I just wanted to say what I'd do if I was invisible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you do if you were invisible, Robin?
unidentified		I'd come to the Philippines and I'd be your bodyguard so that nobody would be jumping on you or anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there you have it, JC.
unidentified		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, that was a very nice young lady.
unidentified		No, she's a disgusting, disgustated sinner, in my opinion.
unidentified		And she is going to be thrown personally by me into the blowing pits Of sewage out in the afterlife.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now you've elevated yourself to the position of God.
unidentified		Oh, no, I'm going to be right there with God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only God can throw somebody into the pits of sewage.
unidentified		Excuse me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only God can toss somebody into the pits of sewage.
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
		You misread, Mr. Bell.
		That's going to be one of my jobs is to help God out.
		I've been advising God on all this plan.
		And I'm going to be there with him throwing people into the boiling pits of sewage.
		That's one of the great things that I'm looking forward to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think a great deal of yourself, don't you?
unidentified		I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know, JC, that God approves of the kind of, I don't know, nasty rhetoric that you skew every time you get...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, right.
unidentified		Yes, I do.
unidentified		When do you think I got the new revelation, Mr. Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I haven't seen the new revelation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is to be aware of.
unidentified		Do you see some of the new commandments when I sent them to you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to review some of those for the audience?
unidentified		At this time, I'd like to speak to more of the audience so I can tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then, all right.
unidentified		Let's see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Timothy in San Francisco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on here with Jay-C.
unidentified		Oh, good evening, Art, and God bless you and love your family.
		Your very most distinguished Radio Talk Show host.
		I've been listening to you for a while.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		Timothy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		JC.
unidentified		Yeah, you're on with Jay C. You're calling from San Francisco, aren't you?
		Yes, yes.
		Not a homosexual capital of the world.
		Yeah, I'm a real queer.
		Yeah, I'm a real queer.
		Yes, I can tell that.
		I can tell that.
		I didn't even have to say it.
		I'm a queer, yeah.
		Yeah, right.
		So why don't you act like a gentleman and grow up a little bit?
		Who are you to tell me what to do?
		Listen, you no good pervert, you San Francisco.
		Why don't you just go back to your bathhouses and your little opium dens out there where all you sickos smoke medical pot and get together for hedonistic organs and evil?
		I have three Ph.D.s.
		I'm a member of the Council of Foreign Relations.
		Your book smarts don't mean nothing to me, Mr. Ph.D. I'm a philosopher and I have a brains aren't going to mean a dog.
		I have a background in psychology.
		And I pawn you for yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, wait a minute.
		One at a time here.
		JC, give the guy a chance.
unidentified		I like the psychology you, JC.
		I like the psychology.
		I'm doing research.
		You're a psycho.
		Pardon me?
		Well, go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, JC, has it occurred to you that you call everybody a psycho?
		You call everybody evil?
		Yes, but there's a little pathology here, buddy.
		If everybody's evil, that might mean, I mean, you should consider that you're the different one, Jay-Z.
unidentified		No, no, I'm the only one walking the righteous path.
		It's terrible to be in sin.
		It's like being locked in a world gone mad with crazy sinners everywhere who are worshiping Satan, bowing down on the streets to kill him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're the only one running an angry path.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on a totally angry path.
unidentified		I have a right to be angry.
unidentified		I'm watching my country be destroyed by hippies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By hippies?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have a heart attack, Jason.
unidentified		Let me tell you that the hippies of old, with the wrong hair, now you have hippies.
unidentified		They've got things in their faces, and they're all dressed in black everywhere you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think would happen if I took your blood pressure right now?
unidentified		Took my blood pressure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		My blood pressure would probably be through the roof as it should be because I'm angry.
unidentified		Not enough Americans are angry to defend us against satanic onslaught of evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Los Angeles and Patrick, you're on with JC.
unidentified		Hey, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		JC's not so good, though.
unidentified		Yeah, he sounds a little wound up.
unidentified		I think it's those homoerotic tendencies he has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, JC, this caller makes a good figure.
unidentified		If you're fair to say that to me, it would figure if someone from Los Angeles, the pornography capital of the world, where your police, your own police, are selling pornography in Japantown.
unidentified		It figures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you heard that last call.
		You know, I wasn't surprised.
		I think the caller makes a damn good point.
		You protest an awful lot.
unidentified		Excuse me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You protesteth an awful lot about people of other sexual proclivities.
unidentified		Right.
		If I don't protest, who will?
		I think it's like the Catholic priest that goes into the priesthood to hide his homoerotic tendencies.
		I think JC's got the same thing going on.
		How dare you accuse me of being a Catholic?
		That's disgusting.
		I never.
		I never.
		I am not a papist puppet.
		Well, I'll sacrifice a goat for you tonight, JC.
		Oh, I'm sure you will, you sinning, salacious, no good.
		I really called it tolerant.
		Are you going to have relations with that there goat first?
		Probably.
		I knew it.
		That's how they do it in Los Angeles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The goat aside for a moment.
		This might interest you, JC.
		Invisibility just around the corner.
		Color, what would you do if you could become invisible?
unidentified		Well, the first thing I would do is I would take my wife, and we'd go to Las Vegas and make a lot of money.
		And then the second thing I'd do while I was there, I would go to Area 51 and see exactly what's going on.
		That's another thing.
		There is no such thing as Area 51.
		And Las Vegas is another sin-filled city that God is going to smite the first chance he gets when Armageddon comes.
		And it can't come a minute too soon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really think Las Vegas is evil?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You honestly think?
unidentified		Las Vegas is the gambling capital of the world.
unidentified		People go there to gamble and watch stage shows and others perform there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you have never gambled, JC?
unidentified		Never.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Never?
unidentified		I have never gambled.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sauce like sex.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I've never done anything sinful in my life, Mr. Bale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Never done anything sinful in your life.
unidentified		I'm pure righteous light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dave, just down from Alaska, you're on with JC if you can handle it.
unidentified		Oh, no problem.
		Hey, this is downtown Dave.
		I used to call quite a bit in the 90s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And congratulations on your new marriage.
unidentified		I've got to tell you, I'm a little jealous of you and Major Ed Dames.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
unidentified		And I'd like to talk about your marriages more in the future, will you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But right now, JC's here.
unidentified		Hey, JC, are you washed in the blood?
		And what's your least favorite scripture?
		Excuse me, my least favorite scripture?
		I'd probably say the Book of Mormon.
		The Bible.
		No, No, we're talking about the Bible.
		We've got to get some common ground here.
		You just can't be such an isolation.
		Excuse me.
		Well, if you're talking about the Bible, I love the entire Bible, but my favorite scripture is Revelation.
		Wait a minute.
		Your least favorite one.
		I don't have any least favorite parts of the Bible.
		You're trying to get me to insult the Bible.
		There's no bad parts.
		I'm telling you, it's a good read from Couple of Psalms.
		It's all good.
		But you know, the fact is, I'm trying to see Jesus in you, and I think Jesus don't talk as much as you do.
		Listen, listen, you first have no way to judge me.
		And if you're trying to see Jesus, then you must be a slide.
		You know what?
		Wait a minute, what Jesus is.
		The power of life and death are in the tongue.
		Art Bell knows that, and that's why he's got so much life, because he's got a great tongue.
		He's got a fuck tongue.
		He's got a devil lizard tongue that he's just doing the microphone and sends his evil out over the airwaves to corrupt America.
		The fact is, you know what?
		Are you part of the answer or part of the problem?
		I am the solution to the problem that plagues America.
		The sin that bubbles up in the streets in the boiling pits of sewage is going to consume all sinners one day for a thrift when God proclaims victory over the enemy and says, I cast you down, sinner.
		I cast you, caller, down, down, down beneath my feet and beneath me, Satan.
		I stomp on you and step on you, and you have no power here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, it's been a great half hour.
		JC and caller, thank you both.
		I've got to go.
unidentified		One more thing.
		Very quick.
		Your friend, Dr. Tess Gerritson, and her devil book.
		I'm going to preach against her when she calls, so she better be ready.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bye-bye, JC.
		I'm Mart Bell, and this is Coast to Coast A.M. Lesbian Tupperware parties.
		Good morning, everybody.
		Well, that was enough of that, and we'll get back to whatever it is you want to talk about very shortly.
		That man has a lot of pathology at work there.
		It's a great morning, a great night, a great day, whatever the case may be, wherever you are.
		It's all of you all the way to the very end of the program this night.
		And by the way, of course, I'll be here for the weekend as well.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. All right, collecting myself.
		There is actually an article that backs up what I'm saying about invisibility.
		Strange and unusual as it may seem, you can read it for yourself on CoastToCoastAM.com.
		They're very close to a technology that they claim actually might make things and people invisible.
		What would you do if you had the opportunity to be invisible for a day or a week or?
		Well, I guess nobody would really want a lifetime, as in Memoirs of an Invisible Man, but given even a little short experience at the game, what would you do?
		All right, let's go such a hard choice.
		Let's go to this wildcard line and say, Sage, you are on the air.
unidentified		Hey, this is Sage calling from Oakland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Sage.
unidentified		Hi.
		Actually, I was on hold to speak with JC, and I swear my tongue was bleeding.
		And I was so disappointed when he...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what would you say?
unidentified		Well, first, I would ask him what does he know about Oakland?
unidentified		And I assume probably not much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As far as JC is concerned, I think every location save the one he's in is evil.
unidentified		Well, this is what I would say to JC.
		First of all, I actually felt sorry for him because I don't believe that he had any faith or a God.
		Because if he had faith in a God, he wouldn't feel so responsible to play God or dish out people's karma or speak for God, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he seems to have himself at the very right hand of God, casting people into the boiling pits of sewage.
unidentified		Yeah, well, see, my God is so righteous that nothing I could say or do could compare to his righteousness or his will.
unidentified		You know what I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My thinking is that JC should be praying that God has a sense of humor.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
unidentified		You're right on, because, I mean, I think that that was actually probably the most disrespectful display.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, at least he's equally disrespectful to all.
		Listen, if you had an opportunity to be invisible, dear, what would you do with it?
		Now, say you were invisible for that.
unidentified		Oh, my goodness.
		Wow.
		I would like to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What we're after here is the naked truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, what you really would do.
unidentified		Well, I really liked that Vegas idea.
unidentified		That sounded fabulous because I definitely am a gambler, a gambling addict.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you are?
unidentified		At least I wish I could be.
unidentified		And if I was invisible, I think I would be the best.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You could reach out and stop the little ball on the number you wanted.
unidentified		Oh, everything.
		I would probably find things I could gamble on.
		But I think ideally or like the better me would want to do something good, you know, like save the world and find out, you know, invisibility.
		Find visibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		well, thank you.
		Sorry to cut you off a little early.
		I think, isn't that what every beauty contestant says?
		Peace, world peace.
		They want world peace.
		They always want world peace.
		All right, let's go to the international line and Ontario with Rob.
		Hey, Rob.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing, bud?
unidentified		Hi.
		Thank you, sir, for your time.
		This is great.
		This is really a privilege to speak with you.
		And thanks a lot for putting JC on because you scattered my thoughts.
		I thought I had everything figured out that I wanted to ask you, but I actually thought of a few things that I wanted to ask JC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can't.
		There's no way.
		There are some colors that I feel I could actually speak for.
		JC is not one of them.
unidentified		No, is he a person or is he just a character?
		I wonder.
		Why do you guys think that's a good question?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people ask that.
		A lot of people think that JC is a put-on, but he's not.
		I mean, he is a put-on, but he's not an arranged put-on.
		JC just happened, and he's been calling the show now for years.
unidentified		I know.
		He's tried to disguise his voice.
		I actually thought about imitating a relative of his or maybe doing a counter-rebuttal guy like Rob the Owoken and ask JC with some hardcore questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people think he's Phil Henry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
unidentified		Yeah, he's very closed off.
		I don't believe in a God that would maliciously create existence that would have even a hell at that.
		I think everybody has a chance to better themselves in so many ways.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't have to wonder about a God that would create JC, though, and turn him loose.
unidentified		I've met similar people.
		He's got a character, a personality trait that could fall under the seven.
		I think there's seven.
		Is it not?
		In psychology?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
		And he's very close.
		He stays stuck.
		I can almost tell you what religion.
		I don't want to put anybody down.
		But he's not even willing to believe that there are other planets or the possibility of other existences out there.
		He would say, oh, it's from hell, let alone invisibility.
		Ooh, that's too much.
		It's too much for those minds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, invisibility, I've been thinking it would really turn the world on its tail.
		I mean, you could never be sure that you were alone.
		You could never be sure that you had privacy.
		You could never be sure of anything if invisibility becomes...
unidentified		I think it's on its way anyway.
		Bert, I've taken thought, and this is very humbling to be on the air with you because this is one of the few shows that I think isn't sold out to the veto powers that be, and it really has made me put in my place for someone like me who thinks they have an answer for everything in a generalized sense.
		But invisibility, if you think of it in the predator sense, like the movie, predator?
		Okay, you can bend light.
		If you cram enough energy and create an electromagnetic field, you can bend light.
		So it makes total sense to me.
		And on top of that, it's just another tidbit of information that's being released slowly to not really on civilization because it's too much.
		But it has been there for quite some time.
		And for me, it would connect with the Philadelphia experiment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, here's something to think about.
		And I just read this story tonight about how close they are to invisibility.
		They've actually made something invisible to microwaves.
		And so they say making it invisible to light may not be a big deal.
		It may be viable.
		It may be something they can really do fairly soon.
		Now, if this is a public story, which it is, you know, out in the Associated Press and so forth, then you have to imagine that in the secret labs in our government somewhere, they've had invisibility for some time.
unidentified		I totally agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chew that one over a little bit.
unidentified		Hey, they had the stuff for some time before they released that information.
		They had the Blackbird Plane.
		They had Mach before they released it.
		And they're just slowly.
		That's just like Gene Roddenberry.
		The guy was a genius.
		The prime directive was to not dump too much information on a civilization because they can't handle it.
		You've got to wait for people to catch up.
		And for me, the Middle East, I won't say just the Middle East, but those that are less evolved in their spirit and their knowing are being locked down right now because the rest of the goodies are coming up because the church doesn't have control anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		Actually, I just watched Star Trek IV again last night, and one of the things I noted about it was that they violated, kind of with a chuckle, they violated the Prime Directive.
		Now, the Prime Directive is that you will not do anything that would disturb or enhance a civilization in any way whatsoever.
		In other words, if you're back in time, for example, you would do nothing that would disturb the even flow of time.
		That, which should not be disturbed, will not be disturbed by anybody who happens to be tromping around.
		But in Star Trek IV, you look for the instance yourself.
		They violated the prime directive themselves.
		So there you have it.
		Let's go all the way to Arkansas, Conway, Arkansas, I think it is.
		And Debbie.
		Hi, Debbie.
unidentified		Hi, how are you, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite well.
unidentified		It is a pleasure to talk to you.
unidentified		I've tried to get a hold of you so many times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here you are.
unidentified		I listen to you every weekend.
unidentified		The first question is, and I asked your screener, too, is JC real?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		He is real.
		Well, let me qualify that.
		He's real in the sense that, and I promise this is true, we don't set him up.
		We don't put him on.
		He is not contracted to be on or any of that baloney.
		He is just like any other caller to this program.
		Now, otherwise, he's not really quite normal, obviously.
unidentified		He is still hilarious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He is, isn't he?
		And years ago, I used to think, yeah, it's Phil Henry or it's somebody like that with some put-on deal.
		But I have come to believe, and I've had private emails from JC and his errant wife, Edna, and believe me, they're real.
		I mean, I'm sorry to have to say that, but.
unidentified		He's got a wife?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Had a wife.
		She apparently, according to JC, has run off with a trucker.
		But with His attitude about sex, you know.
unidentified		I mean, he is just so laughable.
		Okay, the reason that I called, that was really fun for you to put him on with the audience tonight.
		That was cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was fun.
unidentified		The reason I called is I think if I was invisible, I'd get behind some of those closed government doors and see what's really going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		A caller earlier said it.
		You know, somebody said there's no, oh, JC said there's no Area 51.
		He's absolutely wrong.
		There is.
		And to be able to just go across where it says lethal force will be used, they've got a sign like that up there if you go beyond this point.
		And to just tromp along invisibly and really go see for yourself what they've got there.
		Boy, wouldn't that be it?
unidentified		But do we really want to know?
unidentified		Like you were talking about earlier, you know, if there's nothing we can do about any of this that's going on, do we really know what it is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I want to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do want to know.
unidentified		Do you really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
		I want to know.
		I want to know what's inside those hangars.
		I would like to stroll right past, you know, all the guard gates and whatever all else they've got for security and take a look.
		Just take a look.
		Not do anything untoward.
		Just take a look so I would know.
unidentified		But wouldn't it be hard to keep it a secret?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes, I'm the kind of person, and I'm sure you've noticed, no matter what, I just sort of say what's going on in my life.
		I have a hard time not doing that.
		I'm very open.
unidentified		You do, but you know what?
		It makes you more like, to me, you're a celebrity.
		I mean, I listen to you every single weekend.
		But it makes you more like a family member, more like you're just like everybody else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I try to be more like everybody else.
		I try not years ago, I decided, actually, I don't like this whole celebrity thing.
		I've never liked it.
		I love doing radio, and I love talking to people, and I love doing the program, but I don't like the celebrity part of it.
		I never liked it.
unidentified		And by the way, congratulations on becoming a new dad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		You're welcome.
unidentified		And thank you so much for taking my call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Take care.
		Erin is going through a little morning sickness bout.
		I guess that's fairly normal.
		And according to her, why one moment she's hot, the next moment she's cold.
		Everything smells a little different and not so good.
		Not the way it used to.
		So I've been assuring her, no, it's normal.
		You are not.
		And so whatever it is that's changed in your body, it's not that hamburger.
		It's not that beef.
		It's not that orange juice.
		It's just, you know, whatever it is that makes people have that, well, it's pregnancy.
		A wildcard line, Dave, you're on the air high.
unidentified		Okay, I'm using the black phone, so it might not pick up that good.
		But anyway, what I would probably do is find Bin Laden out and just go out in the desert and probably find Bin Laden and just put an end to this.
		And then probably anyone that took his place, I'd do the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was about to say, even if you got bin Laden, I don't think it would put an end to it.
		We have an entire part of one religion that has decided that we will either convert and be with them and believers or we will die.
		So if we kill bin Laden, which, by the way, I'm all in favor of, I don't think that it's going to change what's coming.
unidentified		No, because, you know, I'm being in the military, when you knock one out, one steps up and takes his place.
		And that's why they call them sleeper cells.
		But I've got one thing I'd like to say before I get off the phone.
		Have you thought of getting up with JC and putting out a best of JC CD for your callers?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suppose we've got enough material by now to do something like that, huh?
unidentified		We've actually recorded a lot of the Ott Bell shows here at Fort Bragg, and I actually got a nice little collection of them.
		But I know since we've just recorded them, nobody sells them or anything.
		But it would definitely be something you might want to think about because everybody on the bass, when they first come in, we'd love to play it to them.
		They just flip over it, and they can't believe this individual is actually real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, by now, I would think we have as much as two or two and a half hours collectively of JC, and I think that would be too much for anybody.
		In fact, 30 minutes was kind of pushing the limit, I thought.
		First time caller line, you are on here.
		Andrew, in Wisconsin, someplace.
unidentified		All right, Bell, is this really you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's really me.
unidentified		How are you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite well.
unidentified		Good.
unidentified		Listen, I just wanted to talk to you about you and all your experiences with all the special guests you've had and your amazing life that you've already lived.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have lived an amazing life, it's true.
unidentified		You really have.
unidentified		I mean, you're in the Philippines now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am.
unidentified		And how is it over there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How is it over here?
		That would take a whole show.
		It's like being in a different dimension, sir.
		That's the only way I can shorten it.
		Everything is so very different.
		I think that every American, it would do America good.
		The American taxpayer would be well served, in my opinion, to buy a round-trip ticket for any American citizen who would like it, to go to some very different foreign country and experience it, and then go home.
unidentified		Just for a short moment of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, just, you know, 21 days, whatever, three weeks, just for a little while to see what the rest of the world is like.
		And I think it would make America a better place.
		You know, much in the same way as those who join the military and get to travel around the world have a very different perspective on the world than those who just sit at home.
unidentified		You are so right.
unidentified		You are so right, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, when you say you're calling on a black phone, what do you mean?
unidentified		A black phone?
unidentified		My cell phone is black.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you have a black cell phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if JC were still Here, he would tell you that that's evil.
unidentified		Jesus Christ?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, JC, the caller JC.
		He may think of himself in that way.
		I'm sorry.
unidentified		I thought you meant, you know, JC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not the real one, no.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Have you experienced any supernatural experiences in the Philippines?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have not yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Although the Philippines is an extremely supernatural place, there are many things going on here that would be in the realm of the supernatural, and I may do an entire show on it one of these days soon.
unidentified		I hope you do.
unidentified		I bet we'd all enjoy that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call, and let's see if we have time to squeeze one in.
		Let's go to Marty in Washington State.
		Hey, Marty.
unidentified		Well, hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Congratulations to you and yours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And I really thank you for creating such a nice format for even people like JC to get on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is no other format quite like this, as far as I know, in the world.
unidentified		No, there certainly is not that I've ever heard of.
unidentified		Anyway, I wanted to regale you with what I would do if I was invisible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very quickly.
unidentified		I would use my powers to go and of invisibility to go and have a chat with Mentally Il in North Korea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said he's sorry for the nuclear detonation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when it comes to nuclear detonations, sorry just doesn't get it.
unidentified		I'm Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Open lines.
		Anything you want to talk about is fair game.
		We are talking about invisibility because it's actually on the horizon.
		If you could say something like invisibility is on the horizon.
		It really is.
		They've already made a thing invisible to microwaves.
		And so it's just a matter of moving into the light spectrum.
		And they're really saying the chance of adapting the concept to visible light is good.
		Cloak designer David Schurig said in a telephone interview that, well, from an engineering point of view, quoting him, it's very challenging, but nonetheless, it's on the horizon.
		Can you imagine being invisible?
		What would that do to our economy?
		What would that do virtually to all of life?
		Something to think about.
		What would you do if you were invisible?
		I'm not.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		I'm Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening.
		I'm Art Bell, filling in for George Norrie, who has a well-deserved, well-earned night off, and then makes a good three-day weekend for him.
		I'll be here, of course, on my normal Saturday and Sunday, going just a little north of where I am right now on the international line to South Korea.
		Alan, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just spiffy.
unidentified		How do you like your new working hours?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They are a bit different, but the way I arrange it, Alan, is we've got nice mini blinds and curtains, and I darken it down in here, and you wouldn't know the difference.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I was wondering what JC looked like.
		You know, I keep when I hear him, I picture, remember the late Michael Jedder?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's some things, Alan, that you don't want to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That might be one of them.
unidentified		So I saw your name in Tess Gerston's book, Amfash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you know, I heard that Tess had a new book out and that she had mentioned me in her book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what context did she mention me?
unidentified		The Art Bell Show.
		What it is, is there's a gruesome murder, and there's a, well, can I say a little bit?
		Okay, decapitation, and Risnall, Jane Risnell, is saying, like, you know, the person was probably conscious for about a minute or two after they were decapitated.
		And the other person said, where did you hear that?
		She goes, well, I was listening on the Art Bell show and blah, blah, blah, blah, like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm a real Tess Garritzon fan.
		She wrote a book called Gravity.
		You've read Gravity?
unidentified		Oh, I loved Gravity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a completely, I was so blown away by that book.
		Any of you who have not yet read Gravity, you absolutely have got to read it.
		It's one of the best science fiction reality slash really cool, keep you on the edge of your seat kind of books you've ever read.
		Hey, listen, since you're in South Korea, how was the reaction there when they lit one off in the north?
unidentified		Initially, everybody kind of spazzed out initially, but then the Koreans, surprisingly, it's like business as usual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, around the world, it's pretty much that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I expected a much bigger U.S. reaction, but everybody seems like they're going to let it slide.
unidentified		That's the way, you know, really, it's just like you could not even tell that anything happened over here.
		You know, and this morning I'm reading the Korean Herald, and the party in party, the party that's in power right now is the URI party.
		And they're very liberal, very ultra-liberal.
		And they sent an envoy up to North Korea and said, well, we have some businesses we're doing with you, and that's not going to change because you guys are actually pretty good guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We trust you.
unidentified		And I'm reading this.
unidentified		I'm going, God, Lord, you've got to be kidding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'd have the same reaction.
		You've got to be kidding.
		I note that today he has said, I'm sorry.
		And I thought, you know, when it comes to nuclear detonations, sorry just doesn't get it.
unidentified		I think he's sorry that it was a fizzle.
		That's what I think.
		Well, you've got to keep in mind, like they said it was half a kiloton.
		Well, that's 500 pounds.
		We have conventional 500-pound bombs.
		A 500-pound bomb would probably take out a good portion of a Walmart, but that's about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not sure if that was actually 500 pounds or it might have been.
		I know it wasn't what they expected, although it did produce, what, a three I'm sorry, a 4.2 as measured in Florida.
		So that sounds like more than 500 pounds.
unidentified		Yeah, it could be.
unidentified		With authors, what are you rating lately?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm reading a book called Altered Carbon right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I read an awful lot of science fiction.
unidentified		A friend of mine read that, where you can upload your consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly correct.
unidentified		Yes, yes.
unidentified		He was raving about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They talk about sleeves.
		Instead of bodies being called bodies, they're called sleeves.
		In other words, something you just wear for a short time.
		And nobody ever really dies.
		There's a little chip implanted.
		And when you die, they just dig it out and you're put into a new sleeve.
		And of course, you can change from male to female.
		It doesn't matter.
		It's a very interesting book.
		But I'm always reading something.
		I'm an avid reader.
unidentified		Same here.
		If I could be invisible, I think I'd probably go up north and do a Dexter.
		If you have seen that Showtime TV series yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Meeting?
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		Dexter is a Showtime series.
		He's a cop, but he's also a serial killer.
		But the hook is he only kills the people that really deserve it.
		So he's bad guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he does what the courts are unable to accomplish.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Okay, sir.
		Well, thank you, and take care, and good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, good night indeed.
		From South Korea, just a bit north here.
		Let's go to Cape Cod, Massachusetts.
		And Greg.
		Hello, Greg.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		This is Greg.
		I'm calling you from Cape Cod.
		I'm sitting on my deck enjoying your show in the most absolute spectacular meteor shower I've ever seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no kidding.
unidentified		Yeah, they're just coming every three or four, every few seconds.
		It's unbelievable.
		I did have a comment on the invisibility thing, but I was hoping I'd get on with JC.
		Like that other guy left his JC stood for just crazy.
		I was going to throw one in and say JC stood for jilted communist, but because it's so anti-American.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think we're going to ever get past lesbian Tupperware parties, but that's just me.
unidentified		That was funny.
unidentified		Oh, and we know he's listening right now, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		So I could tell him that don't judge, lest ye be judged, and he'll be punished seven times for it, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that'll get him dialing.
unidentified		Okay, my invisibility thing was, I'm with you, I have to admit, and he'll love that.
unidentified		I'd have to go into like a Playboy shoot for one of my things on my list, and the other one would be to sneak into Wall Street to get the tips to make the really big money and stuff like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The implication of that being that I guess that all the people who make the big money at Wall Street have insider information.
		I've always wondered a lot about that.
		And also what really constitutes inside information?
		In other words, inside information is a tip, right?
		It's a tip that a stock is going to do something good.
		Well, I guess the difference between a legal bit of inside information and an illegal bit of inside information is simply how good the tip is.
		Something to think about.
		In Los Angeles, Jim, you're on there.
		Hi.
unidentified		And good evening.
		Good evening.
		I started off wanting to follow up on something I told you about a couple of months ago, but given other events of the evening, I think I should, if one had the chance to be invisible, I think it's very likely that most of the really cool stuff has already been painted with or covered by this same invisibility creating substance.
		So that would kind of, I got to look, set the sites a little bit lower.
		And I think I might just have to visit one of those lesbian Tupperware parties.
		I mean, I'm a red-blooded American guy.
		And I'm not going to be invited to one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No, so you'll have to forever wonder or become invisible and actually visit one.
		Can you imagine actually becoming invisible?
		For example, I guess you would be able to see nothing of yourself.
		Somebody suggested you wouldn't have vision.
		You wouldn't be able to see.
		But I don't think that's true.
		I think you would be able to see.
		You would simply be invisible to everybody else.
unidentified		I'm not sure quite how that would work.
		But I guess another element of that is if you do have the ability to manipulate what is seen to make it invisible, then presumably it wouldn't be long before you could, a company is going to market a suit that you could wear that might make you look 20 pounds lighter.
		And I suspect that would be a pretty good moneymaker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I hadn't considered that aspect of it, but people who are really fat or really skinny or really short or really ugly, well, it would certainly even us all out, wouldn't it, invisibility?
unidentified		It could.
		And I guess another element of that would be if you live in the city and you just went out and bought a nice car and you're a little worried about it disappearing, broken windows, that kind of thing, dress it up.
		Or more to the point, dress it down.
		Make it look like a 77 Impala with five shades of rust.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine how much fun you could have with Invisibility on Halloween?
unidentified		It's a good one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man, you could just scare the...
unidentified		But, I mean, I guess that's another LA element.
unidentified		Halloween is Kind of a year-round event.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's very true.
		But can you imagine on Halloween how much fun you could have, you know, with the little tikes that would come to your door?
		Oh, my God, you could have a blast.
		Having things move through the air, that sort of thing.
		Maybe an axe.
		I guess in this day and age, you'd never get away with that, would you?
		East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
unidentified		Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Bell, indeed.
unidentified		Thank you, sir, for taking my call.
unidentified		This is Remo from calling in West Virginia at the bottom of a coal mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At the bottom of a coal mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're actually at the bottom of a coal mine?
unidentified		Yeah, it's an abandoned coal mine, and we cleaned it up, walled it in, and I live down here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You live in a coal mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you have a phone line down there?
unidentified		Yes, we have everything down here.
unidentified		Water, electricity, gas, the whole nine yards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm curious, what motivated you to move into a coal mine?
unidentified		To get away from the outside world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess, let me rephrase.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you worried about some natural or unnatural disaster which you would live through being down there?
unidentified		Well, I feel I'm safer here in case of an unnatural disaster.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have your entire family down there, or are you by yourself?
unidentified		There's just my wife and myself.
		My children are grown.
		After they left home, we bought the coalition.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you, out of curiosity, how do you present that idea to you?
		Hey, Han, listen, how about moving down into a coal mine?
		I mean, how do you put that to your wife?
unidentified		Well, actually, she was very open to the idea.
		She's a wonderful person.
		I'm sure you're familiar with women who understand how men feel, and it just seemed like the right thing to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if any woman really understands how a man feels, or if any man really understands how a woman feels.
		There's degrees of understanding, but we are such different creatures, men and women.
		Nevertheless, your wife, would you say she went along with it, or that it was your idea, right?
unidentified		It was my idea, and she went along with it.
		Fortunately, she's a wonderful person and accepts me and my ideas and doesn't ask a lot of questions.
		She just goes along.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Be a safe place to have a lesbian Tupperware party.
unidentified		Oh, my God.
		I wish I could.
		Let's invite them all down here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, let's see.
		Do you have different rooms, or is it just like one sort of long?
unidentified		There are – it's – Yes, there are different rooms.
		It's all split off.
		You come down the main corridor, and it's only about 250 feet down the main corridor, and then it splits off into three different sections, and there are two chambers in each of the three different sections.
		We have plumbing and electricity.
		We live in the real world, right up here with the rest of the folks, but we're down below.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, how far below ground is it?
unidentified		Just under 200 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		200 feet.
unidentified		Just under 200 feet.
		It's 197, 196.
		Depends on who did the survey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God.
		What's the temperature?
		Is it a very constant temperature?
unidentified		It stays about 74, 75 degrees year-round.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		Oh, it's wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have never talked to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've talked to a person who lived in a missile silo, but you're the first person.
unidentified		I lived in a missile silo.
unidentified		If you know someone who wants to trade, I'd swap right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a coal mine for a missile silo.
		All right.
		Well, it's out in the air.
unidentified		You never know.
		But the main reason I called you was about shadow people.
		We see them down here all the time.
		Oh?
		And I wanted to ask if your listeners had anything, any information, or if you did, why is it that all of the shadow people that we see wear hats?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's not unusual at all.
unidentified		No, it's not, and that's what I don't understand.
unidentified		Why are they always wearing hats?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I truly don't know the answer to that.
		All I know is that you're absolutely correct.
		And one night, we had an expert on, a Native American expert, and we talked about shadow people.
		And we had people actually draw and submit sketches of what they had seen.
		And I would say in about 85 or 90% of the cases, they were wearing hats.
		Now, I'll just sort of leave that question open for the audience.
		What do you think, folks?
		Why do you think shadow people, I mean, after all, out here in the real world, how many people wear hats?
		Not that many.
		85, 90% of the shadow people do.
		And there is one definitive difference between wherever they are and here.
		So I don't have the answer to that, but it's in the air now.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Dan in California.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just great, sir.
unidentified		That's great.
unidentified		I've listened to you since 91, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gosh, I wish people would stop saying that.
unidentified		I listened to you since I've been a baby.
		And every show has been so interesting.
		I mean, it's kept me up half the night for years.
		But I had a question about, I think his name was Oates.
		He had reverse speech.
		I never heard anything about him.
		He just seemed to disappear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, actually, he did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Last I heard, he was in Australia.
unidentified		Was that all a fact, his reverse speech experiments?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I was never able to really determine what I felt about reverse speech, whether I felt it had a lot of validity, some validity, or none at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just never really came to an absolute conclusion about it.
unidentified		Yeah, it was pretty interesting.
unidentified		And With the cloak of invisibility, I think, well, they already took care of Bin Laden, but the North Korean dictator, I'd like to haunt him for a while, maybe pull the rug out from under him a couple times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, he's already over the edge and paranoid enough right now.
		So I think if you were to start in on him, there's just no telling what he might do.
		He might, for example, push a button somewhere just to get rid of what he thought was a ghost.
unidentified		That's true.
		That's true.
		Does that concern you being so close to the area where he's located?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're not that close.
		Listen, I've got a scoot.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		But does it concern me?
		No, because I think that the Philippines would not be a prime target should he decide to use one of those nasty weapons that he has now developed.
		The Philippines would not be a prime target.
		But I'll tell you, when the earthquake started last night, you know, I thought for just a moment, could it be?
		From Manila, I'm Art Bell.
		Top of the day, top of the night, whatever it may be, wherever you are.
		Della in Bullhead City, Arizona says, hey, Art, don't you find it interesting that everybody's invisible priorities concern sex and money?
		Not really, Della.
		After all, I don't think there's a whole lot of difference between the invisible world or what people would do in it versus the visible world.
		Those are the important things.
unidentified		The End.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gary from Montreal, Quebec echoes what many of you have said regarding hats and shadow people.
		He says, I believe that shadow people are always seen in hats.
		It's because, well, it's because many people have signs in their windows that say big discount on hats for shadow people.
		I read the wrong one.
		No, most are saying that it's a time slip, and people from all 1700 through perhaps the 1960s wore hats, and we are seeing a time slip.
		Let's go all the way to London, England, and say, hello there, Deborah.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		Well, yeah, I just want to say thank you.
		Because of my childhood and the story I'm about to tell you, you present a forum that feeds my curiosity, interest, and wonder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're obviously probably, I shouldn't say obviously, you sound like an American in Great Britain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you doing there?
unidentified		I fell in love.
unidentified		I was born in Charleston, South Carolina, lived in New York, where I modeled for five years, and I've been in England for seven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I've got a beautiful little boy for love.
unidentified		Border Collie, I got the whole English thing.
unidentified		I've even already had my tea this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My goodness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What time is it in England right now?
unidentified		We've got 20 to 10.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		20 to 10 in the morning?
unidentified		You are what time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About 20 to 5 in the afternoon.
unidentified		Heavens.
unidentified		I presume you've adjusted well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I have.
		It's a big world.
		Anyway, go ahead.
unidentified		In any event, yeah, well, grew up in Charleston, and my family lived in a house.
		Actually, Mr. Zafis, John Zafis, has helped my family with this.
		Because basically, my dad died in January, and things started to happen again.
		Basically, his dentures went missing before they were able to be put into his mouth so he could be buried with them.
		And a couple of days after tearing the house apart, they showed up in the middle of the hallway, just out of the blue.
		And also, he put a rose.
		Well, we are pretty absolute certain it was him that put a rose on a mirror that had just been cleaned.
		You know, it was like a perfect single stem budding rose.
		And I personally, here in London, I felt him basically wrap his arms around me, and I've had dreams and things.
		In any event, he was plagued throughout his life.
		He grew up in a house in Charleston, and it was built in the 1900s.
		You know, Charleston's incredibly historical, and lots of people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you walk down the streets of Charleston, it's almost as though you're in another time.
unidentified		Yeah, it's changing now.
		It's developing greatly.
		But at the time, the house that they moved into was very shack-like because it was close to the Eliza Lucas plantation, and it probably was once upon a time slave quarters.
		In any event, my grandmother got a loan, and she built it up with bricks on the outside and made it nice and raised her family there.
		But there was a cupboard in this place that was incredibly eerie.
		My mother, she once stood in it, and she literally says that she felt, and the look on her face when she tells this story is quite convincing, that she felt these things just wrapping around her and like rushing past her.
		And my uncle David, when he was younger, he had put a microphone in the closet.
		They were trying to get an EVP all the way back then.
		This is like, you know, in the 70s.
		And they said that they heard something scratching and something sounded like something being dropped and knocking and things like that.
		But this microphone was on a stand in the middle of this room, nothing able to touch it.
		And there were no rats or mice or anything like that.
		But the house started off, as I said, as a shack.
		And the woman who had lived there prior to had shot herself in a bedroom.
		And the bullet hole was still there along with the blood on the floor.
		A woman prior to her had killed her husband and dragged his body to the railroad tracks, which were not very far.
		And my granddad shot himself In the chest.
		And all this was in the same bedroom.
		And I remember as a child growing up and seeing the bullet hole in the window.
		My sister was taking some photos for me because I've always been fascinated by the house.
		We had some wonderful times there, though.
		We had some really creepy things happen as well.
		Very demonic things.
		Like my grandmother and granddad, well, the man that she married after my granddad committed suicide, she would be held down in bed or feel things touching her.
		And I know you have not a soft spot, but particular interest or understanding for people who have been attacked by an incubus or something like that.
		And that actually happened to my dad, of which he said he was struggling as hard as he could and envisioned light and prayed.
		And as he says, he could hear the hounds of hell and that something said to him that it was going to get him.
		Let's see.
		My grandmother had 10 pregnancies, nine of which actually survived.
		And I saw my sister, Darlene, killed, run over by a school bus when she was six.
		I'm not blood related, meaning that I have a different dad.
		So I tell you what, I'm actually very grateful for that because there's a curse on that family.
		My aunt's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was about to say that anyway.
		Listen, I've got to run, hon. But that sounds like a curse.
		It really does sound like a curse.
		And I'm not sure, at all sure, that I would want to live in a house of that sort where that much had occurred in one bedroom.
		I don't think so.
		And it reminds me of a couple of things.
		One is that I am going to be doing Ghost to Ghost on Halloween.
		And I do particularly enjoy stories of entity attacks.
		So if you have one of those type stories, get it ready.
		Rehearse it.
		Remember it.
		And I'm not suggesting, or in fact, I'm telling you, don't make anything up.
		But there's nothing wrong with kind of rehearsing the way you're going to tell it.
		It's a little easier when you get on the air.
		So get your stories ready.
		When we do Ghost to Ghost, we do a very, very serious program.
		I do believe in ghosts.
		I do believe that spirits linger.
		I don't know why.
		I think that EVP, and by the way, we're going to be doing an EVP show pretty soon.
		I've been getting a lot of email about that.
		So we're going to be doing another EVP show.
		They're actually going to get the EVP CDs over here by FedEx, which is probably the most reliable way to get something here to the Philippines.
		And we're going to do that show shortly.
		And by the way, if you want to reach me, I have email.
		I'm ArtBell at mindspring.com.
		That's A-R-T-B-E-L-L at MindSpring, M-I-N-D, S-P-R-I-N-G, MindSpring.com.
		And I would love to get email from you if you have a really good, relatively short ghost story.
		You might begin submitting those.
		And I'll, of course, read some of them during Ghost to Ghost.
		First time caller line, Susan, you're on the air from California.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		Good.
		I hate to ruin the invisibility theory about sex and money, which are both great.
		But where I would like to go first is to the Vatican and into the archives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good one.
unidentified		I'd like to read whatever I can get my hands on.
		And then I'd like to, the next one I think would be the Dalai Lama.
		And I would want to know if he noticed that I was there even though I was invisible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm curious, how much do you think really is hidden in the Vatican?
unidentified		Oh, I think there's so much.
		I think they've pillaged so much of the esoteric knowledge and kept it to themselves.
		I think they have a handle on a lot of what's going on currently.
		I think that's why they have their own observatory and they're looking into the heavens for something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I could not agree more.
		There's obviously something going on with Mount Graham, and they know something's out there, or they know something's coming.
		They know something, or they would not have pushed their way past every environmental objection, and there were many, to get that observatory there.
		And believe me, they applied some pressure.
unidentified		Right.
		And I believe that they know a lot more than just what's coming.
		You know, I think they know a lot about the past that's been kept from us as human beings for whatever reason.
		I would just love to go there and look at the old manuscripts and be able to understand what they say because I think that they've got probably most of the information that would really unlock a lot of keys.
		I think there's, as my Nana would say, something in the wood pile.
		And then the Dalai Lama and then the third Mesa.
		The Hopi Third Mesa, that's where I'd like to go and just listen and be the fly on the wall.
		That for me would be like it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of impact do you think invisibility would have on the world?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, everybody would get paranoid that they're not alone.
unidentified		Well, I personally think that most of the planet is paranoid anyway.
		Invisibility, you know, it's kind of like, you know, I once have been, well, actually more than once because my friend owned it, to a nudist colony.
		And just being naked strips you of so much of the defenses that we have.
		So I don't know if it might not be a similar feeling of, you know, if we're all invisible, it certainly reduces us to a common denominator.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly would.
		And you're certainly right also, by the way, about nudist colonies or nude areas.
		I went to a nude beach once, and the novelty wears off quite quickly.
		And I think a lot of people, when they think of nude this or nude that, they attach some sort of sexuality to it.
		And that's really not the case.
		I mean, perhaps in the first few minutes, you know, you're titlated a little bit.
		But then with everybody being naked, if anything, it's kind of a killer, in my estimation, for sexuality.
		I guess that has to do with well, that's a whole nother topic and a whole nother show.
		Let's go to Canada.
		We don't have a lot of time.
		Linda in Canada, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		Art, I've got to tell you this.
		You're open line tonight.
		You know, you're the captain of your home.
		Believe me.
		It is great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's great to be doing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		First of all, I want to know, is JC part of the New World Order that's coming?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I have yet to ask JC what he thinks about the New World Order.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He probably imagines himself right at the very head of it.
unidentified		I was wondering.
		Also, on, you know, invisibility, I cannot help feel that this new way is the prelude to time travel.
		I believe that with this, they can come, I don't know how far, into the future and to the past.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm starting to wonder if there's really anything at all that we can imagine that we cannot do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, almost everything that we've heard about in science fiction, now here comes invisibility, everything we've heard about that we always thought was laughable or interesting and science fiction is beginning to come true.
unidentified		Well, I believe that I've been here before, and I feel what I'm doing, and I know you've been here before.
		The way you speak, the what you know, and your, I guess, your mastering way you speak with people and the things that you just lean into so naturally.
		I think that, well, I have two copies again of Edgar Casey's Atlantis in my possession.
		I read it years ago, but all of a sudden two come into my possession.
		I thought, is this a sign?
		And then when you had that guest on on the weekend that he said a couple of generations ahead, he had this vision or knowledge that millions were going to be terribly demolished, abolished.
		Do you remember that guest on that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Demolished, perhaps, yes.
unidentified		Okay, demolished.
		And I thought, are we doing this all over again?
		I know that, like, this invisibility, again, hit a cord in me.
		I thought, okay, now we're going into the upper echelon of the technology that is going to overwhelm people.
		And are we going to handle it right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think, Hun, that we do do things again and again.
		I think that if you look at what's going on in the world right now, and I know everybody hates the parallels to Vietnam, but frankly, more and more and more as the months and now years go by, what's happening in Iraq really does seem very much like Vietnam, the latest being the Iraqization of the war, turning more and more of the work over to the newly trained Iraqis.
		The whole thing feels the world, not just that.
		And that's just one example.
		I think we're doing things again and again.
		Have we been here before?
		Well, probably because we keep doing things over and over and over again, don't we?
		All right, let's go to California and Beatrice.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
		If I were invisible, I would first spy on the Illuminati and Black Ops to see what they're up to.
		And then the second thing I would do is I would follow and scare JC.
		Whenever he's about to do something wrong or tell somebody off, I'd say out of nowhere, do you really want to do that?
		Or shame on yourself?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In just the voice that you have right now, dear, all you'd have to do, here's what you'd do.
		You'd find JC, which wouldn't be that hard.
		In fact, I'd help you if I could.
		And you would take several pieces of Tupperware and simply float them around the room in JC's area.
		I think that'd do it.
unidentified		He'd just go right off the edge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that laugh, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'd have to bring that laugh.
unidentified		Yeah, that'd be a good one.
unidentified		But I wanted to point out, in a sense, we already have invisibility with people who practice astral projection and remote viewing and things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That may well be so.
		But the difference here is that with astral projection, you can't seem to do any material things.
		With the kind of invisibility they're talking about here, you could take the piece of Tupperware and float it by Jay-Z's nose.
unidentified		Yes, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be the difference.
unidentified		Yes, uh-huh.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call, and you have a good night.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Thanks for taking my call.
		I just wanted to point a couple things out.
		I'm a physics student at the University of Central Florida.
		And I wanted to point out a couple things about your invisibility, which is...
		I'm sorry?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not my invisibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm reading a story here on the scientists that are doing this.
unidentified		Well, the current invisibility that we have, which is it can make you invisible to things like radar, visible light, microwave, and these are all forms of energy.
		However, though, it does not get you around your physical properties, which are things like, believe it or not, each and every one of us has a small gravimetric field which can be detected.
		It's very, very difficult to do it on something as small as a human, but it can be done.
		I mean, obviously, it's a lot easier on planets and such.
		The other thing is anytime that a physical entity moves through any kind of body, whether it's a body of water, a body of gas, or whatever, it leaves a wake.
		And an example of this is if you've ever stood on the side of the road and had a big rig go by and you get that blast of air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And, you know, of course, the other Thing is, just simply by being comprised of matter and energy, we actually make a small dent in the space-time continuum, which, once again, something as small as a human is extremely difficult to detect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand, Troy, the difficulty of all this, but it seems as though what is impossible today inevitably and almost absolutely becomes possible tomorrow or the day after.
unidentified		Oh, you're absolutely right.
		In fact, you know, I was thinking about what would I do if I could be invisible.
		My answer is I'd go into the government vaults and find out what we really know because I have a feeling that we've probably got technology already developed that we're not going to see for 20 or 25 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Troy, I've got to end it right there.
		Listen, everybody, this has been a blast.
		I'm Art Bell, and I have very much enjoyed filling in for George and Ori, and I'll be back tomorrow as well as the next day for the usual weekend fair.
		It's going to be a good weekend.
		So from Manila, in the Philippines, Southeast Asia, you all have a good morning, afternoon, evening, whatever it is, wherever you are.

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