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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the other side of the world.
		That's right, the other side of the world.
		Southeast Asia, the other side of the world, from certainly the majority of all of you, the capital city of the Philippines, Manila.
		Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whatever it may be, wherever you are.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM, the largest program of its sort in the world.
		It is my pleasure and honor to be escorting you through the weekend, and it will be a weekend full of surprises.
		That's for sure.
		And I'm going to begin with one right at the top of the program.
		The webcam shot tonight, that's Arts Webcam.
		You'll see it listed in the upper left-hand side of the CoastCoastAM.com website.
		It says Arts Webcam.
		Just click on that.
		If it has gone through properly, you will see a picture of Erin, that's my wife, in Hong Kong.
		And we were in Hong Kong the week of the 13th of September.
		Now, that's an interesting date for a number of reasons.
		Primarily, I would say, because that's when Aaron got pregnant.
		I just, here's the way it went, folks.
		Yeah, I'm going to be a daddy.
		Last week, literally, as I walked out of the studio after the show, this was all very early and very much a surprise.
		Let me start, go back a week prior to that.
		We had some suspicions that it could or might or was hoped to be true.
		And so we went out and got a test, you know, one of those pregnancy tests that you get here in the Philippines.
		No, you wouldn't know about those, would you?
		I guess the same.
		They're called Be Sure Here.
		And it's a little thing where you, you know, add a little bit of urine to the test, and then you either get one line, which means you're not pregnant, or you get two lines, which means you're pregnant.
		Well, the week previous, we had tried the test, and we had only one line, and we said, nope.
		And that was that.
		Well, another week went by and nothing happened.
		So when I was doing my program last week, at the same time last week, on Sunday, actually, Monday here, I'm sorry, Monday here, Sunday there.
		I'll get that straight.
		She went out and purchased two more of those little kits.
		And lo and behold, two little lines magically appeared.
		And when I got off the air and showed me the two little lines, and I jumped up and down, and we all jumped up and down, and probably not a good thing to do.
		And so there you have it.
		I'm going to be a dad.
		And if it's a girl, her name will be, I mean, this one's definitely made in Hong Kong.
		There is no question about it to be specific, either on the 12th or the 14th.
		So we picked the 13th as the most likely day.
		And it's very early.
		And she actually had a little bit of a problem.
		So I rushed her over to the Manila Medical Center here, and they did an ultrasound.
		And she's been taking it easy ever since then.
		But they can actually, even that early, they can show you a picture of your baby.
		So I have an ultrasound picture of our baby.
		It's amazing.
		Absolutely amazing.
		There's nothing short of, I mean, to stand there and watch a monitor and to watch life begin is the most astounding thing I think I've ever seen in my whole life.
		Just astounding.
		Astounding.
		You know, there aren't words for it.
		So definitely made in Hong Kong.
		And if it's girl, her name will be Asia.
		If it's boy, we've not yet decided.
		But there you have it.
		There goes life.
		In more ways than one, huh?
		All right.
		We'll take a quick look at the news.
		And it's kind of interesting.
		Most of the world news tonight is kind of interesting.
		Dozens of Amish neighbors came out Saturday to mourn the quiet milkman who killed five of their young girls and wounded five more in a brief, unfathomable rage.
		Charles Carl Roberts IV, 32, was buried in his wife's family plot behind a small Methodist church a few miles from a one-room schoolhouse where he stormed Monday.
		Stormed it and just shot these people.
	And only the Amish can be that forgiving in my mind to turn out for a funeral for him.
	The House's investigation of a page sex scandal has only one certainty.
	Former Republican Mark Foley will escape punishment by his peers.
	It is the Florida Republican sexually explicit electronic messages to teenage former male pages that have ignited what has become a pre-election firestorm.
	And this has all the feeling of history repeating itself.
	What is it about pages that make them so damned irresistible to politicians?
	I'll end it right there.
	And then this.
	And this one worries me because I'm a little closer than you all are.
	Japan warns North Korea on nuclear tests.
	Tensions mounted over North Korea's threat to test its first atomic bomb.
	This is close, folks, with shots ringing out Saturday along the border with South Korea and Japan warning of harsh sanctions if they go nuclear, with a possible test expected as early as Sunday.
	My God, it is Sunday here now in this part of the world.
	The UN Security Council issued a stern statement Friday urging the country to abandon its nuclear ambitions and warning of unspecified consequences if the isolated communist regime does not comply.
	And the question is, obviously, if they let one off, if they set off a nuclear device, what should we, if anything, do about it?
	I really am curious what a lot of you in the U.S. think that the U.S. and Or anybody else, including Japan and anybody else perhaps in the Far East here, ought to do about it.
	But that's scary as hell.
	In fact, actually, I've got a second story on it here, which I guess I ought to pay a little bit of attention to.
	This goes back to an Ed Dames' prediction, really.
	But North Korea is without question getting ready to conduct a nuclear test.
	The foreign ministry said as much in a statement.
	The move would bolster the country's self-defense in the face of U.S. military hostility.
	That's the exact words of North Korea's KCNA agency.
	North Korea will, in the future, conduct a nuclear test under the condition where safety is firmly guaranteed.
	Pyongyang has come under mounting pressure over its nuclear program.
	Six nation talks on its plans have been stalled for nearly a year now.
	And the U.S. has imposed financial sanctions on North Korean businesses.
	North Korea is believed to have a handful now of nuclear weapons, but is not known, key phrase, to have tested one yet.
	The statement from Pyongyang said the U.S. daily increasing threat of a nuclear war and its vicious sanctions and pressure have caused a grave situation on the Korean Peninsula.
	The ministry went on to say that under the present situation in which U.S. moves to isolate and stifle North Korea, the country can no longer remain an onlooker to the developments.
	So believe me, in Asia, we're watching this, as I'm sure you are, very, very carefully.
	Spraying the bubbles from sparkling wine across the enormous gray bow of the USS H.W. Bush, the Bush family on Saturday christened the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier named after the 82-year-old former president.
	I know you join me in saying to our father, President Bush, your ship has come in, the current president said during a ceremony for the last of the Nimitz-class carriers, the CVN-77.
	Thousands of Iraqi troops launched a crackdown in Kirkuk on Saturday, ordering residents to stay in their houses in an effort to put down violence.
	It swelled in the north amid efforts to rein in bloodshed in Baghdad.
	Elsewhere in the north, a suicide bomber rammed a police checkpoint with an explosives-packed car.
	That killed 14 in the town of Tal Afar.
	It was the deadliest attack in a day that saw 26 Iraqis killed across the country.
	Well, as you know, we're putting up a new wall across the southern border, at least part of it, in Mexico, or this side of Mexico.
	Rising from the Pacific surf and zigzagging across the border for 14 miles, Tijuana's border fence has done very little but push illegal immigrants into the Arizona desert and feed the smuggling industry since it went up in 1994.
	Today, as the U.S. prepares to build a high-tech barrier with get this 700 miles of extra fencing, motion detectors, and remote control devices, smugglers are already figuring out how to beat the new security.
	The man, the journalist, actually, who chronicled Russian military abuses against civilians in Chechnya, garnering awards and accolades from around the world, has been found shot to death Saturday in her apartment building.
	So, there you have it.
	You remember Star Trek, of course.
	The Star Trek ship has fetched a price of $500,000.
	Starfleet Captain Jean-Luc Picard commanded it, of course.
	Now SimTreki owns it.
	A model of the Starship Enterprise used in the pilot and title sequence of Star Trek The Next Generation Sold for get this?
	$576,000 Saturday at an auction of costumes, sets, and props from 40 years of the Star Trek sci-fi franchise.
	Can you imagine that?
	In a moment, we'll talk about yet another October surprise.
	Well, October traditionally has always been full of surprises for all of us, hasn't it?
	According to the Russian astronomer Nikolai Ferdorsky, now bear in mind, this may not be true, but there is this Russian astronomer named Nikolai Ferdorsky.
	A giant comet flying at top speed, says he, is bound for us, Earth.
	Should the comet stay on the collision course, it may hit the planet, he says, in late October.
	The impact will cause devastating tsunamis, earthquakes, and avalanches, says Ferdowski.
	He saw the killer comet in a telescope two weeks ago, says he.
	He managed to calculate the comet's trajectory.
	We got in touch.
	Now, this is, of course, from a Russian newspaper, Pravda.
	We got in touch with Nikolai Ferdowski.
	He said just a few people are aware of the fact that comets various sizes fly past Earth at a very close distance and on a regular basis, he said.
	Those comets usually pass by unnoticed.
	The above circumstance is not a guarantee against disaster by any means.
	The Tunguska meteorite landed in the wilderness of Siberia.
	What if it had plunged into the center of Europe or somewhere in the ocean?
	Well, anyway, that would certainly be a gigantic surprise.
	A lot of people have asked about various customs and culture here in the Philippines, and I was sent this this week by a British journalist who was stationed in the Philippines.
	It was actually written back in 1999, but it applies equally well today.
	It's by Matthew Sutherland, and he says, I have now been in this country for over six years.
	I consider myself in most respects well assimilated here in the Philippines.
	However, there is one key step on the road to full assimilation which I have yet to take, and that is to eat balut.
	The day any of you sees me eating balut, please call immigration and ask them to issue me a Filipino passport because at that point there will be no turning back.
	Balut, for those of you still blissfully ignorant, non-Pinois out there, is a fertilized duck egg.
	It is commonly sold with salt in a piece of newspaper, much like English fish and chips by street vendors, usually after dark, presumably, so that you can't see how gross it is.
	It's meant to be an aphrodisiac, although I cannot imagine anything more likely to dispel sexual desire than crunching on a partially formed baby duck swimming in noxious fluid.
	The embryo in the egg comes in varying stages of development, but basically it is not considered macho to eat one without fully discernible feathers, beak, and claws.
	Some say these crunchy bits are the best.
	Others prefer just to drink the so-called soup, the vile pungent liquid that surrounds the aforementioned feathery fetus.
	Excuse me, I've got to go throw up now.
	I'll be back in a few moments.
	He comments on a...
	Of course, a lot of the food here is absolutely wonderful, but there are some things that...
	If it's weird food you want, I suggest you avoid the following, though.
	In addition to duck fetus in the half shell, items to avoid in the Philippines include pig's blood soup, as well as bull's testicle soup, the strangely named soup number five.
	I dread to think what numbers one through four might be, and the ubiquitous stinky shrimp paste.
	And it goes on and on.
	Filipinos are so addicted to these latter items that they will even risk arrest or deportation, trying to smuggle them into countries like Australia and the United States, which wisely ban the importation of items you can smell from more than 100 paces.
	Now, I was told when I read this laughing to Aaron some days ago that I had already tried pig's blood soup.
	Now, I was blissfully unaware of the fact that I had tried it, and I guess I didn't listen carefully to what it was.
	I listened to the Filipino name and said, hmm, pretty good.
	So I had no idea.
	And then he goes on, another good thing to look at here in the Philippines, and I've noticed this right away, are the names given to people here in the Philippines.
	A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, Proverbs 22, 1.
	When I arrived in the Philippines from the U.K. six years ago, one of the first cultural differences to strike me was names.
	The subject rather has provided a continuing source of amazement and amusement ever since.
	The first unusual thing from an English perspective is that everyone here has a nickname.
	In the staid and boring United Kingdom, we have nicknames in kindergarten.
	But when we move into adulthood, well, we tend, I'm glad to say, to lose them.
	The second thing that struck me is that Philippine names for both girls and boys tend to be what we in the UK would regard as overbearingly cutesy for anyone over about five.
	55-year-old colleagues put it this way, when I come from a boy with a nickname like Blue Boy or Honey Boy, well, you'd be beaten to death at school by pre-adolescent bullies and never make it to adulthood at all.
	So probably would girls with names like Babes, Lovey, Precious, Peachy, Apples, and on and on.
	Here, however, no one bats an eyelid.
	Then I noticed how many people have what I have come to call doorbell names.
	These are nicknames that sound like, well, doorbells.
	There are millions of them.
	Bing, bong, bing, and dong are some of the more common.
	They can be and frequently are even used even more doorbell-like combinations such as bing bong, ding-dong, ting, ting, and so forth.
	Even our newly appointed chief of police has a doorbell name, ping.
	None of these doorbell names exist where I come from, and hence sound unusually amusing to my untutored foreign ear.
	Someone once told me that one of the Bings was asked why he was called Bing and replied, because my brother is called Bong.
	Faultless logic.
	Dong, of course, is a particularly funny one for me, as whereas I come from, don't is a slang word, well, for.
	Repeating names was another novelty to me, having never before encountered people with names like Lenlen, Letlet, my my, Ningning, Lingling.
	The secretary I inherited on my arrival had an unusual one, Leklek.
	Such names are frequently referred to and refined by using the squared symbol, as in Len Tu or Mai Tu.
	This had me very confused for a while.
	There's a trend for parents to stick to a theme when naming their children.
	This can be as simple as making them all begin with the same letter, as June, Jimmy, Janice, and Joy.
	More imaginative are parents who shoot for more sophisticated forms of rhyme, as in B-boy, Baboy, Boo-boy, Bay-boy.
	He goes on and on.
	Ah, yes.
	And then, of course, if you're driving one of these Jeeps over here, you're going to find the name painted right across the taxi.
	And that's something he noticed as he came to Manila.
	So there's a little bit of a taste of what's strange over here.
	Now, when I first met Erin, when I came down here to the Philippines, the first time, she chose to, for whatever purpose, go and get one of these duck eggs and eat it right in front of me.
	She's never done it since, and I refused to kiss her for about an hour afterward.
	But the Balut is, actually, I think it was used on Fear Factor.
	When Fear Factor came here to the Philippines, I believe that Balut was one of the things that sent you on your way toward earning $50,000 U.S. dollars.
	I think that was a prize at the time.
	And It just utterly offends American taste buds and sensibilities and everything else.
	In addition to that, there is, of course, dog.
	Now, I questioned her very carefully about that, and she said, No, I have not eaten dogs since I was in grade school.
	And I said, Well, thank you very much.
	So they do.
	It is indeed done over here.
	A dog is eaten, and I have no idea why, but she's past that one.
	But not Balut.
	In fact, since the pregnancy, she has said Balut two or three times.
	Now, she sees me cringe every time that name is even mentioned, as you can, as you can.
	I can't even imagine beaks and claws and feathers and crunchy things.
	Oh, my God.
	But yes, you know, it's a different part of the world with different customs, and what can I say?
	We're kind of in a land that time forgot, as the song says.
	Well, all right, it's going to be a fascinating show coming up.
	Somebody who wrote a book called Another Door Opens.
	Somebody is Jeffrey Wands who will be talking about the psychic you, how to become a little more psychic and develop what you have naturally inside.
	From Manila, I'm Art Bell.
	Life really is quite a ride, isn't it?
	An absolute ride.
	Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, whatever it is, wherever you are.
	And we cover most of the time zones and most of the situations that might be involved.
	So I always try and include all the greetings.
	At any rate, we have an awful lot of lines to answer.
	A lot of people want to say something or another.
	So that coming up, open lines, as it were, in a moment.
	Deanna in Jamestown, California says, Hey, Art.
	I wanted to wish you and your beloved huge congratulations to you both.
	I couldn't help but think about the cycle of life.
	Given the loss of your dearest Ramona and the deeper meaning of you now being an expectant father, with every death there is a life.
	Yeah, the cycle of life is really, really something to contemplate, isn't it?
	Let's do as we said we would do and go to the lines.
	Wildcard line, you are on the air.
	Hello.
unidentified		Hi, all right.
		I just wanted to call and congratulate you.
		And this is a blessing from God, honey.
		You have helped so many people, and you've touched so many lives.
		And, you know, the way this all happened, there's no coincidences in life.
		And this was meant to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was meant to happen.
unidentified		You deserve this happiness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		God bless you, honey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all I can say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Bye-bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Yeah, the cycle of life.
		Well, it's true, isn't it?
		And I've done a lot of thinking about that.
		So that fast blast hit me right between the eyes.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		Hello.
		I would just want to congratulate you on your expected baby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's kind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And I was wondering about an autographed picture from you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not sure how the network is handling this now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, it's a pretty long trip by mail, so I'm not sure how it would happen.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		I guess they contacted you by email or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who's they?
unidentified		The people in the States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, oh, you can send me email, sure.
		Artbell at mindspring.com.
		That's A-R-T, D-E-L-L, at MindSpring.
		M-I-N-D-S-P-R-I-N-G dot com.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't have a computer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
		Hmm.
		Well, you don't meet that many people these days that don't have computers.
		Yeah.
		So I'm glad to meet you.
		How's life without a computer?
		How do you do?
unidentified		Pretty good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you go to the library or how do you get your information?
unidentified		From the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know something that's completely disappeared, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You get everything from the radio?
unidentified		Yes.
		Good lord.
		I listened to the show.
		I find it fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, be careful about single-source information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It'll warp you.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, buddy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You contact the network and we'll see what we can work out, all right?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, yeah, see you later.
		A little tough since we're on the other side of the world right now.
		Let's go to the first-time caller line and say you're on here.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, hi.
unidentified		This is Allie from Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Welcome.
		Yeah, I just wanted to say I really enjoy your show quite a bit, actually.
		I listen to it every Saturday night, and I want to say happy Thanksgiving.
		And I also wanted to say that you're expecting a little girl, and she's very healthy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, is that a psychic revelation?
unidentified		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is?
		Well, I hope you're right.
		I was kind of hoping for a girl, frankly.
unidentified		And she is very healthy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's good to hear.
unidentified		Ten fingers, ten toes, and a very big smile.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, her name is going to be Asia, and it seems totally appropriate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She was made in Hong Kong.
unidentified		I think that's a beautiful name, and I wish you all the best, and I truly enjoy your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody just fast-blasted me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She will come out with Made in China stamped on her butt.
unidentified		Happy to be here.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		Okay.
		Bye-bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
		Let's go here to the wildcard line and say hello.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		How are you?
		I'd like to also congratulate you for you soon to be a father.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I spoke to you last month, if you remember, if you felt as comfortable in the Philippines as you did America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In most ways, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm still, of course, as that British fellow was talking about, assimilating to the culture here, of course.
unidentified		But my question is, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
		I was just going to add that the rotten, stinking letter that somebody wrote, that Filipino hate letter, of course, has made things a little difficult for me here.
		They tend to murder journalists a lot over here.
		And so it's a little uncomfortable from that perspective.
		Otherwise, I love it here.
unidentified		But what I was going to try, I was really worried about, once they've got the family, come with the baby, that wouldn't it be more swayed towards more moving back to America now after this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		It's a consideration.
		It's on the table.
		It's something I'm thinking about, and we shall see.
		Who knows what the future holds?
		I've had a strange life full of many ups and downs and mountains and valleys, and it's been a wild one.
		That's all I can say.
unidentified		Is there any basis for this death threat?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
		I mean, if you see, a lot of people don't know the history of this.
		Some jerk, according to the FBI, went into the University of California at San Diego, went to the library there where they don't monitor or did not at that time monitor who used their computers.
		This was years ago now.
		And wrote this hate letter against Filipino people and signed my name to it.
		Now, my dearly departed wife was half Filipino, and so that probably was the motivation for whoever did it, doing it.
		But now that I'm here in the Philippines, of course, it's kind of dangerous.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope that.
		Somebody decided to start it circulating again, no doubt, because I am here in the Philippines.
		So there you have it.
unidentified		Well, I wish you the best of luck and hope the baby's very, very healthy there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the biggest hope we have, too.
		Thank you, my friend, and take care.
		Let's go to GeeWiz, Las Vegas, Nevada, near home.
		Hi there.
		Hey, Art, how are you doing?
		I'm all right, sir.
unidentified		Well, I'll tell you, we miss you out here, the van, the big antenna, and all that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's all still there.
unidentified		You know, it's funny, I've been listening to you for forever, and tonight's the first time I ever decided to call you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm happy to have you.
unidentified		Jill, so happy for you.
		Again, my name is Tim.
		I'm in Las Vegas.
		I would like to say hello to one person who's listening in Lumpak.
		His name is James.
		James, see you soon.
		Want to throw that in.
		All right, you got to try Balut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I don't.
unidentified		Well, I'll tell you.
		I mean, I was married to a Filipina, and if I have an ex-wife, she'll be from there, too.
		They're just wonderful, decent, kind people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you've eaten Balut?
unidentified		Yes, I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then I wouldn't kiss you either.
unidentified		Well, that's okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not interested.
unidentified		Also, the Dina Gawan, Dina Gawan, I sent you a FastBlast earlier in an email about Dina Gawan.
unidentified		That's the pork blood soup.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did try that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I had no idea what I was eating until just the other day when she said, oh, you didn't know you tried that.
unidentified		But fantastic, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do recall saying, you know, that's pretty good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, of course, I didn't know what I was eating.
unidentified		Oh, and she can make you a dolbo and all that stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, a lot of the food over here, you know, I want to be careful here.
		A lot of the food here is absolutely wonderful.
		A lot of Filipino food is simply wonderful.
unidentified		I've been around it nine years.
		Again, I'm divorced, but I'm still very close to my ex and the kids and the family.
		And I can tell you, you're in a beautiful place in a beautiful part of the world.
		And you were missed while you were gone.
		It's so glad to have you back, and I'm so glad I got a chance to say hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is nothing short of, I'm glad you did say hello, and it's nothing short of amazing that we have the ability to actually do a radio program from one side of the world to the other.
		Only a company as big as Clear Channel would have the facilities and the oomph and everything it takes to get something like that done.
		To be able to broadcast from one side of the world to the other is, you know, just absolutely, even to me, just simply amazing.
		Going back to the first time caller line, you're on the air.
		Matt, I think from California.
unidentified		Yes, Art.
		I was just wanting to call and talk about the North Korean situation and offer you a little bit of perspective.
		You know, I happen to be the head of the Global Nuclear Disarmament Fund.
		Pardon the background noise here.
		So I know a little bit about the situation.
		The thing with the North Korean, and I also was raised in Japan, by the way, near Hiroshima.
		So I have a very unique perspective, and I can understand your feeling of being very close there.
		The problem is with North Korea, India, and Pakistan, is that the United States has not been exactly a very good leader of example in terms of non-proliferation issues.
		And the United Nations non-proliferation treaty review process has become completely inept and dysfunctional.
		That's why Pakistan and India progressed into the nuclear age.
		And the North Korean perspective, where it's come out that we have told the leader of Pakistan that we would blow him off the face or what is it, bomb him back to the Stone Age if they didn't cooperate.
		And the recent comment from one of the senators saying that North Korea can either have a future or have nuclear weapons, but not both.
		It's this type of rhetoric that obviously with an isolationist country like North Korea and an insecure leader that they have, they feel that they have no choice other than to join the Nuclear Weapons Club.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		What do you think, if they actually do conduct a test, or we have intelligence?
		I guess we do have intelligence saying they're about to.
		What do you think the U.S. response should be?
unidentified		Well, actually, legally, the United States has no legal right to respond whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But when has that ever stopped us?
unidentified		That's the problem, Mark, as you have well identified.
		I think, however, that more scary than that is the Japanese response, that the Japanese government is trying to use this as an excuse to actually build their own nuclear weapons and to remilitarize.
		And I think this is a much bigger threat to the region, the regional stability, than actually a potential U.S. response, which is quite unlikely at this point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		You could look at it either way, sir.
		You could say that a nuclear Japan would destabilize the region, but how could it destabilize it any further than North Korea, one of the few remaining communist, hardline communist countries having a nuclear weapon?
		Maybe Japan having nukes would stabilize the region.
unidentified		Yeah, actually, you know, unfortunately, because of the history of Japan's militarized past, it still is very, very raw with Koreans, with Taiwanese, and with Chinese, and even with, you know, Southeast Asian countries.
		And so to have Japan remilitarize would China wouldn't sit still for that for one thing, and they already have probably about 450 or so nuclear weapons.
		And there's going to be a very big problem.
		It's not something that the other countries would sit still for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How we're going to stop all this, sir, I have no idea.
		I mean, whether man can prevent his own demise or not, I think is very much an open question.
		And it's going to, you know, the bomb is going to continue to proliferate until just about everybody finally has it.
		And eventually, if we don't, if there's not some major white light that descends and changes all of our brains into these peaceful, wonderful people, we're doomed.
unidentified		Well, you know, you're right.
		But what it is, Art, is there needs to be a shift from the government being solely in charge of nuclear proliferation issues to the people having a say in this, which we have never had before.
		And if you look at the Global Nuclear Disarmament Fund website, we have recently signed the first treaty with Moscow by an NGO and a government whereby public participation in dismantling nuclear weapons that should have been dismantled under the NPT treaty is actually now a reality.
		Because it only costs $100,000 to dismantle a nuclear weapon, you know, the average SS-24 or SS-N18 or, you know, one of those ICBM-class missiles.
		We've never had the ability to participate, and now all that's going to change.
		And until the public gets the opportunity to really have a say in this issue, you're absolutely right.
		It's going to continue to proliferate, and there's very little hope for humanity like Einstein and Joseph Rotblat put in their letter to President Truman in 1945.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it was something about, I don't know, Einstein say that he had no idea how World War III would be fought, but he was certain that World War IV would be fought with sticks and stones.
		Something like that.
		Wildcard Line, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine, sir.
unidentified		You know, that last caller, I just want to take just a little bit of exception to some of that.
		You know, the Japanese prime minister arrived in Beijing just, I mean, you're in a great part of the world.
		A lot of things happening.
		He arrived in Beijing about an hour ago.
		And it's his first overseas trip since taking office less than two weeks ago.
		And he's there to meet with the Beijing leaders to try and get a little thaw in these chili relations.
		And where is he going on Tuesday after he leaves Beijing?
		To Seoul.
		Seoul.
		And in both places, he's going to talk about the North Korean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can't blame the Japanese, sir.
		I mean, my God, look back at what happened in 1962 when the Russians decided they were going to put short and medium-range ballistic missiles armed with nukes in Cuba, aimed at us, what, 90 miles away?
		Right.
		So understand how the Japanese feel.
unidentified		That's right.
		And so I think this new leader, though, is taking the right move.
		And I don't think that Japan is necessarily interested in trying to create more of an arms race over there by nuclearizing itself.
		It may want to militarize itself.
		And I think we should be a little bit concerned about this new leader.
		He does represent a nationalist movement over there.
		But to say that Japan is out to have nuclear weapons, I don't think so.
		I believe the Japanese, I mean remember, they're the one nation that has suffered at this other than like people in Bikini Atoll.
		I mean, they understand the impact.
		And I don't think that that's what they're up about to backdoor away to have a reason to put nukes on their soil.
		But real quick, before you run out of time, I just want to tell you why I called.
		I first started listening to you.
		I lived over in the part of the world you are in, in Guam.
		I lived there for about 10 years, which is only about a four-hour flight from the Philippines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as you know, we're on the air in Guam.
unidentified		I'm sure you are.
		And I enjoyed Balutz and a lot of other Filipino delicacies because of the strong Filipino influence over there in those islands.
		But I wanted to know, how was the typhoon over there that passed through a week or so ago?
		Manila got hit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
		Manila was hit dead center.
		And it was one scary mama of a typhoon.
		Let me tell you, we're on the 19th floor of a building here.
		And you could actually put your hand on the window and feel it bowing in.
		And, of course, trees and power lines were down everywhere.
		We were without power for almost five days here.
		And the cleanup is still going on.
		I think the last count I heard, 76 were dead.
		It was a very serious typhoon, sir.
unidentified		Well, I'm glad that you're all right.
		And I just love the idea of hearing you on the air from Manila.
		Congratulations on what's going on in your personal life.
		And, yeah, I work in the media, and I think Clear Channel is one of the companies that's capable of putting on shows from overseas.
		And I think you've broken tremendous new ground for radio, you know, and it's important that people realize that radio is still a very viable medium.
		And I would love to see more international-based programs such as yours with other hosts and other podcasts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		I could be wrong.
		But as far as I know, never in the history of radio has a regularly scheduled long-form talk show of any kind been done from one side of the world to the other.
		Now, somebody may correct me on this, and I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
		I think that we absolutely are breaking new ground here.
		Never in the history of radio has a long-form talk radio program been done on a regularly scheduled basis from one side of the world to the other.
		Now, if I'm wrong about that, y'all let me know.
		Wild Carline, you're on here.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Wow.
		Hello.
		Every time we hear you on the radio, there's something new and interesting going on in your life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm an open book.
		I don't know.
		I just can't keep my mouth shut.
		If something big is going on in my life, I share it.
		That's the way it is.
unidentified		That's what separates you from everybody.
		It's not like most radio people.
		It's basically all business with you.
		It's more like a family member on the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, ever-growing family.
unidentified		There you go.
unidentified		At least you have a new use for that maid's den now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got a good point.
		Actually, it's Aaron's office that will be sacrificed and become a baby's room.
		But what might eventually happen if we remain here is that the maids' room will be filled with a maid.
unidentified		Aha, there you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was some idea of how inexpensive it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A full-time live-in maid here is $30 or $40 American dollars a month.
unidentified		Oh, God.
		Wow.
		That's makes.
		You know what?
		I think you've done so much on the radio.
		I think there's going to be a major exodus from this country to move to where you're at because the standard of living is so much better there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's different, that's for sure.
		Listen, buddy, I have got a split.
		We're right up against it here.
		So you have a good night.
		Thank you for the call.
		And when we come back, we'll be talking about the psychic you from Manila in the Philippines, where it's kind of hazy and strange this afternoon.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Lane, that's an unusual name in Buenavista, Colorado, hits it on the head here.
		Congratulations on Asia coming into your world.
		Also, it appears that she will probably come in the week of your next birthday.
		And she's absolutely right.
		The projected date of arrival is right on or around June 17th, 2007, which, as some of you know, is, in fact, my birthday, the cycle of life.
		Yikes.
		Coming up in a moment, Jeffrey Wands has hosted his own radio program in New York now for many years.
		He's also made many television appearances, most recently on A ⁇ E's Mediums, We See Dead People, Maury, and, of course, the Today Show.
		Jeffrey has come to understand that everyone has some psychic ability within them.
		These hidden abilities within us can enrich our lives and the lives of others.
		In his first book, The Psychic in You, he would like you to embark on this journey and help you to release the psychic in you.
		So, coming up in a moment, we will look into the psychic world with Jeffrey Wand.
		Stay right where you are.
		All right.
		Coming up in a moment, we're going to look into the psychic in you.
		Why don't we just go ahead and do that right now?
		Jeffrey Wands, are you with us?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program, buddy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Good.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and congratulations on your happiness coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		thank you very much.
		It was a bit of a surprise, That's what I'm told.
		And this definitely was no accident.
		Anyway, welcome to the program.
		This is exactly the kind of program I love doing.
		And the first question here I see I actually want to ask, which is all programs that we do come with pre-programmed questions.
		I rarely follow them all, but some of them are pretty good.
		What is a soul map, Jeffrey?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		In my experiences, it's basically the plan that we come in with.
		Probably a good example of this is when we have tragedy and people go through terrible tragedies, and through that tragedy, they prevail.
		Another example would be, which I always use, is like the idea of Bill Gates, who ended up being who he was based on his soul map.
		And I think that we all come in with that soul potential or soul purpose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, there's a big difference.
		You said soul potential.
		Is it only a potential, in your opinion, Jeffrey, or is it actually a map of how your life is going to unwind?
		In other words, Bill Gates.
		You mentioned Bill Gates.
		Could Bill Gates have done anything else?
		Or was Bill Gates predestined to become Bill Gates?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I think in my experiences, I would say to you that Bill Gates was predestined to be Bill Gates.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		That he came in with a definitive soul map, and that's what he was supposed to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The thing that bothers me about that, Jeffrey, is that that means we're sort of all little marionettes, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dancing to a preordained tomb.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		In some cases, I would agree with you, but there are different elements of the map where I call the GPS changes because we kind of go through a different longitude and latitude.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		And I use Bill Gates as an example, but there's other examples that I know of and I could think of where people have gone through things that are not on the magnitude of Bill Gates, but end up absolutely fulfilling their sole purpose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mentioned in the first hour, I've gone through some of the biggest mountains of happiness and the biggest valleys of tragedy you can possibly imagine.
		And so I don't know.
		I often wonder whether that's all preordained and we're supposed to trudge through these, as Ramona told me, and play out the hand we're dealt, or whether free will enters into all of this someplace or another, that old bitch of free will.
		What do you think?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I think the free will part does come in.
		I mean, people will ask me, and I talk about it in the book, the idea, which is jumping ahead a little bit, but the idea when you have somebody that all of a sudden goes out in their life and, you know, passes on, was that like a predestined thing?
		And usually in the experiences I've had, that person will give you an indication or give you an aspect of knowing that it's, you know, it's their time and they're supposed to be going.
		I think that's where that part comes in with the soul map.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this a first-time soul or do you believe in reincarnation, Jay?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I absolutely believe in reincarnation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely do.
		Yes, I do.
		I have frequently said and been told by many guests that reincarnation was at one time a part of the Bible and that it was deleted at the Council of Nicaea.
		Now, is that, as far as you know, true or not?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I would say to you that I really believe it's always been there, and I would say to you I would have to agree with that.
		I think it's part of what's there, and I think, unfortunately, what happens is people want you to believe what they want you to believe, and they're not always open-minded in that sense.
		And I think that that was something that they just couldn't accept.
		But there's no doubt in my experiences that you see souls, they come in, you can tell who's an old soul, who's a young soul.
		And a good example is like what you were talking about, what you went through.
		Okay, there's a reason, soul-wise, where we go through this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give me some sort of further explanation of what you mean by that.
		There's a reason why we go through these things.
		Because of some previous life?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I mean, I look at it from the point.
		You went through the tragedy of losing your wife.
		You went through all these tough experiences, okay?
		And then you brought all this happiness in now.
		So it's like you went the full gamut or the full circle to get to that point.
		So I really believe in my experiences and what I've come to learn through the spirit world is the factor that the spirits play a role in that, and that's where the reincarnation line comes in, and that's where we really learn to understand our potential and our purpose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it your view?
		And in recent weeks, I've had guests on who have said, I mean, it's always bothered me, Jeffrey, that what in the heck is reincarnation good for if you cannot consciously remember any of the triumphs or mistakes or tragedies from a previous life?
		But people have said, no, no, no, nobody could stand that consciously.
		It's all in the subconscious.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You agree with that, huh?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I agree with that because I think it's triggered at different points.
		It's like a person that would come in that would have alcoholic issues, and all of a sudden they are able to change those issues.
		A lot of times those things are brought in from other times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So a person with alcoholic issues in one life is likely to do what in the next?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Follow along and once again have the same problem or the opposite and not touch alcohol?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		In my experiences, usually if it's been there before, it's going to come back again.
		Unless it's conquered and it's dealt with.
		And that's the part of the reincarnation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, what you conquer in one life, you don't carry forth to the next.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		And that's how the soul evolves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And is it, many have described it as a school, one from which you will eventually graduate?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I would call it a full-time university.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A full-time university.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But graduation is possible.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		At one point, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then what?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		And then that's where we get into the higher consciousness and you evolve, and I think that's where we get the idea of the higher being.
		I mean, it takes a long time.
		I don't know of anybody on this plane right now that's gotten to that point where they've gotten to that university.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you might not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, maybe they go through a door that we can't get through.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		It's quite possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does the soul come in with a specific purpose?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		In my experiences, I would say most definitely.
		I mean, there are no accidents in the things that I've seen from the point that you are guided.
		I think that you do these little bumps along the way sometimes where you kind of, I don't want to say sabotage yourself, but you stop yourself from reaching where you're supposed to be.
		I had put examples of things I came across.
		I had this very well-known actress who constantly, in the beginning, was in her way, in her way, in her way.
		And every time she was close to stardom, you know, she would crash.
		And then finally, she achieved where she was supposed to be.
		But it was a constant struggle from the point, though, anything that could go wrong, you know, did go wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, there are people out there who constantly are sabotaging themselves.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		And I really believe that's where the soul map comes in because we have these things that we bring in.
		You can call them gifts.
		You can call them abilities, but they are things that are very much, you know, they're prevalent.
		They play a role.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there a way in this current conscious life that we have of taking a look at the soul path, of, in other words, understanding where your life is going to go?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I think it happens on an everyday experience.
		I think what happens with some people is they may start out in one direction where I'm trying to think of a good example.
		Probably a good example I would be is I had a lot of people, unfortunately, that went through the whole 9-11 experience, you know, and living in New York and dealing with some of the families.
		And I saw, you know, firsthand with some of the people that I dealt with where their lives were terribly altered by this event.
		And they were able to, you know, change their total path and, you know, turn it around.
		One ended up being in public office.
		You know, one did all this charity stuff and really made a difference.
		And, you know, all these different things evolved from this, which was a horrible, horrible thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any correlation, Jeffrey, between great success and great tragedy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm almost asking this from a personal perspective because I absolutely think so.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		And I think what will happen sometimes is that that's where we get into the idea of what you're working out before, where you get these people that go through these horrible, horrible things in this lifetime.
		And then they're able to overcome it and, you know, get to a higher level as far as success.
		And if you look at most, I would say, successful people or people that I've come in contact with who have changed their life through tragedy.
		I mean, I'll never forget this.
		I had this lovely woman who lost three sons.
		And on top of that, I'm going to talk about a triple whammy.
		She lost most of her family in the Holocaust.
		And I mean, I would know, you know what it's like.
		You have kids.
		And to go through an experience, to even think about losing three kids.
		And she lost three kids in a row.
		They were all, unfortunately, hemophiliacs.
		And that was before they tested blood.
		And they all ended up dying, you know, from being HIV.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		And then she lost five family members and the Holocaust on top of that.
		So if that doesn't get you, I don't know.
		You know, losing the kids would definitely put the topper on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, here's an obvious question, and that is these tragedies, these horrible things that come along in the middle of a good life and just absolutely bring an axe down in the middle of your life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any way, in your opinion, to alter the probability of these things or change the probability of these things from happening?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I think that's part of the soul map that has to take place.
		I mean, I've had it with people.
		I'll give you an instance.
		Recently, I had two clients come, and the gentleman was sitting in front of me, and I said to him, you know, your dad is standing behind you.
		He's referencing something with the heart.
		And he's showing me something with your valve.
		I would really go have it checked.
		And he poo-pooed it.
		And, you know, of course, being skeptical.
		And, you know, I find it to be with a lot of men, and I find it to be with most people because it's more if you can't see it or you can't feel it.
		It doesn't exist.
		And I said to him, I said, look, I'll make you a bet.
		Why don't you go and, you know, to your doctor and have him give you a test?
		And sure enough, he had a major heart valve that had to be replaced.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, that would be something like I would use as far as altering tragedy because the doctor said to him that if he didn't go, he would have passed in, who knows, Maybe three weeks, a month, two months, whatever.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		So that would be an example.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so obviously then you are a psychic.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Most days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Most days?
		Yes.
		How did you find this psychic ability in yourself, Jeffrey?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		It actually started, it was kind of comical.
		I was probably about six years old at the time, and I had gotten in trouble.
		And I was looking at my mom, and I remember sitting in the room, and I was in the living room.
		My mother was going into this whole thing about what I did and what I shouldn't have done.
		And I looked at my mother very candidly and said to my mother, by the way, your grandmother is standing in the room, and she's telling me you did this, this, and this when you were my age.
		Why are you punishing me?
		You didn't get punished.
		And she just looked at me like with a real profound, more, you know, profound look and kind of looked at me and just ignored it.
		And, of course, I ended up getting in trouble.
		It didn't do me any good.
		But that was like the instance where it started.
		And all through childhood, I had all these different instances where, you know, you talk about imaginary friends.
		Well, I didn't really have imaginary friends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I'm going to ask a couple of stupid questions, Jeffrey.
		For one, when you saw your grandmother, was she as much in the flesh and blood as everybody else in the room?
		Was she somewhat translucent?
		Was she just something that occurred in your mind?
		In other words, how do you see these people, these dead people?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		When I saw her, she was coming through where she was translucent, where I could see her in the room, and I could look through her.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I've had other instances where I'll see a full apparition, where I will actually see a person in full form.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think you said you were six?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think that would just scare the hell out of us.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		It didn't because she was very friendly, and she was like trying to calm me because I was about to get killed for doing what I was doing at that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's how it began.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's been this way all your life?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I had instances.
		I'll tell you a funny instance.
		I remember when I was about 11, my next-door neighbor at the time was a huge, huge car enthusiast.
		And I remember standing outside with him, and he was working on the car, and I looked at him, and I'm like, you know, there's something wrong with your transmission.
		And he looked at me.
		He's like, what are you talking about?
		And sure enough, like, three days later, his whole transmission blew.
		And he thought I did something to it.
		And I remember him knocking on the door, yelling at me.
		And I had like little instances of that, you know, growing up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I've always wondered about that.
		Psychics, for example, frequently work with police departments.
		And police departments rarely admit it, although sometimes, that they will call a psychic at a desperate moment in a case that they're trying to solve.
		And I've always wondered if a psychic goes to the police with some information that turns out to be true, doesn't that psychic run the risk of being accused of being part of the crime?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I'll give you a funny story with that.
		I was working on an arson case, and I must have been at the time, probably going back about 15 years ago, and I was sitting with this family, and the family had hired me and wanted me to come in to help on this case.
		And I met with the detective.
		It was an old, you know, kind of staunchy Irish detective.
		And he looks at me and he hands me an envelope, and he goes, here, this is a clue for the case.
		And I hand it back to him, and I'm like, this is your shopping list.
		Make sure you get the bread, the eggs, and the butter your wife wants.
		And, you know, you deal with stuff like that.
		But I remember, you know, by the time we had gotten done with this, it ended up being the fact that the person that actually asked me to get involved with this was the person that ended up being the person who caused the fire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And at what point did you realize that?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Right when I started sitting with the person, it started to unfold.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		So it ended up being that the detective was like, you know, I was given the detective information on how he did it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you following this series on television about the psychic in Arizona?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the medium.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, medium.
		I'm sorry.
		And what's the difference, by the way, between a medium and a psychic, if any?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I don't think there is a difference in my experience.
		I mean, I do get both ends of it.
		I get these profound psychic events that take place, and then I do deal with, you know, the dead people, so it's a mix.
		But it is kind of funny because at times I could totally relate to what goes on, you know, in that show because it's very typical of my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have been dying to interview Ms. Dubois, and who knows, maybe we'll get that opportunity, maybe not.
		But you sound an awful lot like her in many ways.
		So you do identify with a lot of what you see there.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would say the funniest thing that I ever saw on that show was the fact, I think it was an early episode where she was working, I guess, with the Texas Rangers on a case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		And she misses the hurricane.
		Oh, that's right.
		And, you know, I always tell people all the time that's the human element of what we do because our emotions sometimes block the most obvious event.
		Like, she could pick out the fact of, you know, who the person was, who killed who, and in relationship to that, you know, miss the most important thing, the fact that you've got a hurricane coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I've not heard the term before, soul map.
		This is sort of a new one on me.
		Ah, that's why I've not heard about it.
		You came up with it, okay.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not going to, I'm sure it's been out there, but it's just something that impressed me, which I consider to be a very good term to use for people's purposes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, when you look at somebody or consult with somebody, can you literally see that soul map laid out without regard for time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, can you look into their past as well as their present and future?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		At points, I will get glimpses of what I consider to be past lives where there's been issues that will tie into either relationships per se.
		Like I had a woman that I worked with who had a horrible, horrible relationship with her dad.
		She was sexually molested by the father, all these terrible things that went on.
		And we were able to see from where that came from.
		And I actually talk about in the book how I work with different therapists.
		So basically, depending on the situation with her, I worked with the therapist to help her have closure because the father ended up passing.
		And she had all this residual anger.
		And it had come just not from this life than it had come from before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Jeffrey Wands.
		Hold tight.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		Jeffrey Wands is my guest, and he's obviously a psychic.
		Tragedy.
		It's a part of many, many of our lives, all right?
		And how it affects our souls, and if you will, our soul maps.
		I find that absolutely fascinating.
		Success and tragedy, they seem to go hand in hand.
		From Manila, I'm Art Bell.
		Yes, indeed.
		Here I am.
		Data Dude, that's the name he gives himself from Houston, Texas, says, hey, Art, with your announcement of the new addition to the family tonight, I cannot help but remember something to that effect having been predicted on your predictions for 2006 show at the end of last year.
		Better keep track of that guy.
		Congrats.
		Oh, you know, data dude.
		My God, I seem to remember it too.
		I do.
		I remember that.
		Oh, God.
		The predictions from last year's New Year's Eve show and the couple of days prior to or so.
		We always do predictions between Christmas and New Year's.
		By the way, I'll be doing it this year, too.
		Didn't make it to the Philippines.
		They're still back in America somewhere.
		However, I understand they're listening to that program and documenting them for me.
		So we will have them this year.
		And I really do remember something like that.
		Anyway, Jeffrey, I've got more to say about tragedy, a lot more to say about tragedy, and I suspect Jeffrey will have a response to it in a moment.
		You know, I'm 61 years old now, and so when you get to be that age, and in and around this age, you begin to do your own little life review.
		It's inevitable when a lot of you get to be this age, if you're that lucky, why it'll happen to you.
		And I'm sure I'm talking to people who are significantly older than I am, and they certainly know what I'm talking about.
		Well, let me tell you, just before I bring Jeffrey back, my life has been one strange ride, really a strange ride.
		I never sought success.
		I never, I wasn't one of those people who, I want to be a star, I want to be a star, none of that baloney for me.
		I just absolutely fell in love with radio.
		I just fell in love with radio and I followed that path, not to seek money or fame or any of that, just because I absolutely loved, I just loved what I was doing.
		However, after the success came and I began doing very well, a series, as you know, those of you who have followed my life, there has been a series of large, giant successes.
		I mean, it couldn't get any better.
		A syndicated radio program that still exists, 15 going on 20 years later, several books that I've written, two that were on bestseller lists, one that was turned into a movie.
		I mean, just, you know, one gigantic, wonderful thing after another.
		But interspersed in the middle of all that were these incredible tragedies that have occurred in my life.
		And I won't detail those.
		Most of you know what a lot of them have been.
		And just terrible tragedy.
		And it actually got to the point for both Ramona and myself that when things got going too good, too well, if you will, we just got to the point where we waited for the other shoe to drop, knowing inevitably that the other shoe was going to drop.
		Jeffrey, welcome back.
		Does that have a ring to it?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's truth.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		It's proof in the pudding, as I always say, from the point of the fact that, yes, you went through these terrible things, okay, but I definitely, and I've talked to this with people, I find it to be when people do move on and, you know, you went through a terrible thing in losing your wife, they have an effect on us in the sense that they direct us from where they've gone where your wife, you know, was making sure that you got another part of your life back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not just that.
		I mean, there was a series, Jeffrey, of, on the one hand, just wonderful things followed by absolutely tragic things.
		And has something happened to my son?
		A lot of people are asking about that.
		I do have a son by previous marriage.
		And I'm not going to talk about that because it's a very tragic situation.
		But anyway, he's with his mom.
		And I just don't have any more to say about that at the moment.
		But a lot of tragedy involved there and other aspects of my life.
		Just as far down as you can go and as far up as you can go, Jeffrey.
		And do the two walk hand in hand, the ups and the downs?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		There is no doubt in my mind and my experiences that they do.
		But we, in the soul capacity, have that ability to overcome, and we end up doing it.
		So when you look at everything that you've been through and you look at the journey that you've taken, you know, now you've come to a different point where you're coming to a different point of peacefulness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		Which it is.
		And happiness.
		And happiness.
		But again, I worry about this cyclic repeating of, you know, it's good and then it's kaboom.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Well, we do have a tendency sometimes to put that energy out because it's the fear and it's also the fact that, you know, you're a public figure and you have to look at it.
		It was interesting because I had heard one of the callers earlier saying about the fact that with you on the radio, it's like listening to family.
		And in essence, that's what you do because you're healing a lot of people by what you do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, after you've been on the air for a couple of decades or so, it is like talking to family, of course.
		And, you know, a lot of people now will call me up and say things like, you know, I've been listening to you since I was a baby.
		How happy am I to hear that?
		It really makes you feel old, which I am.
		So anyway.
		All right.
		So you actually hear from people on the other side.
		When you do that, Jeffrey, do you more times than not see them, or do you more times than not get a mental message?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		It's a mixture.
		They usually will give me something I can relate to.
		I'll give You a perfect example.
		Here in New York, about two weeks ago, we did a breast cancer fundraiser.
		The station and I'm at, we're very big into raising money for breast cancer since we have one of the highest incidents in the United States in the area that I live.
		And it was kind of interesting.
		I'm doing an audience of 500 people and I'm out in the audience, and all of a sudden, I hear the honeymooners theme in my head.
		I'm saying to myself, does that mean I have Jackie Gleason coming through?
		And I go up to this gentleman, and I stand right in front of him, and it was because of the fact he was a bus driver, and his dad was a bus driver.
		And they were using it in that way, so I would identify with what this gentleman did, because his dad was using it to come through in that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you identify, particularly when you're not seeing a dead person, how do you identify the fact that you are, in fact, getting some message from the afterlife as opposed to just, you know, I mean, we all have random thoughts and things that occur to us, coincidences, all this that goes through our brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know when you're getting something from the other side versus just something, you know, random neurons firing?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		In my experiences, when I've done stuff, they'll be very specific.
		They'll say, this is so-and-so.
		He passed this way.
		They'll say, you know, who they're with, the different people that come through in that way.
		And they're pretty specific usually.
		I mean, probably a good example, when you were talking before about like a crime scene, and when you're talking about how psychics, you know, do stuff with crimes or, you know, murders and things like that, what I do periodically is I do the Maury show.
		And when I do the Maury show, we do stuff on missing kids, and they will take me to the area where the child disappeared.
		And I'm able to kind of retrace where that child was taken or abducted or murdered, God forbid.
		And I'm able to do that because it's a lingering energy.
		It's a residual energy.
		And in a lot of cases, if the person has been murdered, that soul is still going to be around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, that's kind of where my next question was going.
		You said a lingering energy.
		Yes.
		Jeffrey, in your opinion, is what you receive from the other side contemporary information?
		In other words, let's see, how am I trying to put this?
		There's a certain line of thinking out there that what we think we receive from the other side is sort of like that giant tape loop, the residual something or another that's left from somebody who has passed away.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I would call it the consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
		Let's go with consciousness.
		Do you think you're actually receiving active consciousness or just sort of a residual of what's left?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I think some cases you will get residual, but in most cases, because in my experiences, the soul continues its journey, it would be very much so that you're getting a continual connection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think it's contemporary, current, real, conscious information from the other side?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Oh, very much so, because I've had things come through where somebody will say to me, the perfect example of this is recently, you know, I had a woman that her dad had passed away and she was trying to get pregnant.
		And during the session, he came through and said, you know, you're going to be pregnant in three weeks.
		And she was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jeffrey, everybody would want to know the answer to this one, and that is, what do you know of the nature of the other side?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Well, in my experiences, I mean, I'll give you an interesting thing.
		I got a chance to go down to see Dr. Raymond Moody, and I got a chance to go into his psychomantheum.
		And I had a really profound experience when I was down there.
		I actually went out of my body, and I kind of did like a near-death experience when I was there.
		And he was telling me afterwards, and if you've ever gotten the opportunity to sit with him, you know, he goes through a whole psychological profile.
		He'll sit with you for a good two and a half hours, ask you all these questions, make sure that you're not on any kind of drug or any kind of hallucinogen or anything like that.
		And he prepares you mentally.
		And I remember going in the room.
		And if people are not familiar with the psychomanthium, it goes all the way back to ancient Greece.
		And it's real, really interesting.
		And I remember going through that process.
		And when I was going through that process, of course, you stand in front of the mirror, you go into the mirror at one point.
		I could actually feel myself coming out of my body, going into the mirror, and kind of walking down a tunnel.
		And as I was walking down this tunnel, I could see all these faces.
		And there were some faces of clients that had passed away.
		Some were relatives, all different people.
		And I remember it was that feeling, you know, when you come out on a spring day and the sun hits you for the first time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		That's what it felt like.
		And I remember going, and all of a sudden I got to a point, I got to a bright light, and they're like, you went too far.
		And then I remember after that, Raymond coming back in the room, and, you know, it was like I bounced back.
		But it was like a very profound feeling.
		But in my experiences with going through that and seeing what I deal with in an everyday life, I think there's different levels of souls in the spirit world.
		And that's where we get the idea of ghosts.
		That's where we get the idea of good spirits, bad spirits, spirits that are around that haven't really grown or haven't really let go.
		And that's where I think we get the whole good and evil experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let me try this question again.
		I'm really quite curious, and I know everybody is, what it's like on the other side.
		Have you had any hints, any discussions with those on the other side?
		Have they actually described to you the environment in which they're in?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Well, in one experience that I had, they described to me that it was like a field, and in that field, you know, there was sun and there were other people, but they weren't really in the physical body.
		They were in like a conscious state.
		And they kind of described it as a parallel universe.
		That would be the way I would describe it.
		It was like, would us be going from here to beyond our universe?
		That would be the way that they were kind of describing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, in another universe.
		But are they in a place that we can relate to?
		I mean, are there, you said, a field.
		Are there homes?
		Are there cities?
		Are they conducting a life like the life they had here?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I would say from what I was experiencing and the way they were coming through, the consciousness part was going on.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that I would say there was houses or Bloomingdales or Macy's and shopping and everything like that, but they were still very much connected to their loved ones here where they were playing a role or trying to play a role to make sure that those souls got where they were supposed to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope there's soul radio.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I'll let you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe I'll let you know, buddy.
		Okay, well, all right, on to this.
		And it's an extremely interesting question, and that is, what happens with animals when they pass?
		Do animals have souls, in your opinion?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Well, in my experience, when I was writing the second book, our beloved Golden Retriever passed away.
		And it was kind of interesting because I actually grieved more over her, probably more so than out of anyone that I've lost in my lifetime.
		And even dealing with death every day.
		And I remember that, I remember against my own better wishes at the time, you know, I had a dream about three nights before we were going to take her in for surgery.
		And in the dream, one of the spirits had come through and said, you know, don't take her.
		She's going to die no matter what.
		And sure enough, she did.
		And I remember like two days afterwards, I was, you know, in my room upstairs, and my wife was sleeping next to me.
		And I was awoken by this breath.
		And I'm like, oh, my God, I've got to take the dog out.
		And it was the dog actually coming to visit.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And here's another question.
		Be it animal or human, Jeffrey.
		After the passing, is there a kind of a window of opportunity that is relatively short, days or even a couple of three weeks, where a visitation from the other side is more possible or more probable than it is later on?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I'll give you two examples with that.
		I had a lot of the families from 9-11.
		The experiences I had, they were getting visitations within six days of the passing.
		Usually, in my experiences, we're talking about something within 30 days, usually where a person will get a message.
		Probably a classic example of that would be a dream visitation where they will come in the dream, say goodbye.
		You know, they may touch you.
		They may do a lot of different things.
		But that's usually in that timeframe.
		That's been my experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it would seem.
		But, I mean, on the one hand, if all of this is true, it's completely understandable that it might be very quickly that it would occur.
		If it's not true, Jeffrey, then it would also be understandable that it would be quite quickly because, of course, we are in severe mourning.
		I mean, there's nothing else on your mind, whether it be an animal or a person, really.
		And so you can imagine that if all this were not real, our brains would still concoct it fairly quickly after the passing.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Oh, without a doubt.
		But I also find it, which is what I deal with a lot, is that we go through different levels of grief, which you know and everybody knows.
		And in some cases, because the death, usually we make the death about us and not about the person that passed on, we have a tendency to kind of hang that person up a little bit because we're so angry.
		And probably a good example of that is recently I had these three ladies that came to me.
		One was a doctor.
		She was a psychiatrist.
		The other one was a lawyer.
		And the other one was, she worked on the, I guess it's like in the operating room where she ran the machine, you know, when they do open heart surgery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I don't know the exact term, but they had their mother, and their mother was in hospice, and she was dying of liver cancer.
		They were all from different parts of the country.
		They all came into town at one time.
		The mother was in like the last stage, you know, stage four of really bad liver cancer.
		And they come in and they're in about four days.
		And the fourth day, they all decide to go out to dinner because the mother's like, go ahead, I'm feeling okay.
		Don't worry about it.
		They go out to dinner, and of course, what happens?
		The mother passes.
		So I see them probably three, four weeks afterwards.
		They're angry.
		Why did she pass?
		And I'm like, you guys are missing the point.
		Like, you got together.
		That's what she wanted.
		It allowed her to move on.
		That's what she was supposed to do.
		That was part of her journey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any idea, Jeffrey, once you pass, how long it is before another incarnation occurs to you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or is it so far out of any time reference we have that that cannot be answered?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I would say to you, I've had two instances of experiences with clients where they had people in their family reincarnate very quickly.
		I remember also seeing a thing, if I'm not mistaken, ABC had a thing about a little boy who supposedly was on a ship during World War II and had a connection to the ship because he was a flyer on the ship and he was able to trace it back.
		I don't think he was more than eight or nine years old.
		But I would say in the majority of the things I've come across, most of these incarnations are more out of our timeframe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Out of our time frame.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, meaning in our lifetime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it could be hundreds of years, thousands of years?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I would say probably the hundreds would be probably realistic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hundreds of years.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		In my experiences, I'm not claiming to be an expert on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, going back to animals for just very quickly, I've had cats now for years and years and years and years, very, very close to cats.
		I have inside cats only.
		I am convinced, Jeffrey, absolutely beyond any shadow of a doubt, that if we as human beings have souls, and I know that the Bible doesn't necessarily agree with this, but animals have souls too.
		I look at them.
		You look at their little eyes.
		You watch their behavior.
		They have jealousy, happiness, sadness.
		They have virtually every emotion that a human being has you can see in a cat if you live with it 24 hours a day.
		I absolutely, totally guarantee it.
		So if we have souls, they have souls.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Oh, without a doubt.
		I totally agree with you.
		Plus, the great part of it is that the majority of animals don't have the issues or the nonsense that we have.
		They're unconditional love.
		They're giving it to you, you know, because unconditionally they love you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that may be, Jeffrey, why we mourn them so tremendously when we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We can't review any of their bad traits because they really didn't have any.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		No, it's an unconditional love more so than anything else.
		Plus, I find it to be the cats are very psychic.
		I find it to be dogs are very psychic.
		I remember our other golden.
		I have a new one now, but my one that passed away, I would have instances where I would come home and I would be sitting in my living room and she would be sitting next to me and I would watch a person come through the house who's not living, and the dog would totally react to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Yeah, and I mean, cats, you know, yes, absolutely.
		Cats see all kinds of things that we don't see, Jeffrey.
		All right.
		Hold tight.
		We're here at the top of the hour.
		Jeffrey Wands is my guest, and as the saying goes, he sees dead people.
		From Manila in the Philippines, where there's a kind of a strange fog or a haze surrounding the city right now.
		Nothing nuclear, I hope.
unidentified		I'm Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		Possible breaking news here in the Philippines.
		Rachel in Tucson says, Dateline, Manila, Philippines.
		I've got to hear from this from Tucson.
		About 30 communist guerrillas on Sunday, that would indeed be today here, attacked an international airport under construction in the central Philippines using bombs to destroy equipment and seizing guns from the guards.
		If any of you have any update on that, I would certainly appreciate it.
		I don't know what airport they're talking about there, but I am very curious.
		So the communists on the move here in the Philippines.
		Jeffrey Wands is my guest.
		He sees dead people, and we'll be right back.
		The End You know, without love, I really can't think of a really good reason for being alive.
		John in Bronx, New York, Jeffrey, comes up with one here that I'm sure you're going to need to deal with.
		He says, sweet talking lies or the truth.
		The truth is, John says, that the dead are dead.
		And they don't know anything about what's going on.
		And they're not going to be made alive again until the rapture and the resurrection of the just and of the unjust.
		What do you say?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what?
		People have their belief systems, and they're going to believe what they want to believe.
		But I find it to be very interesting that more and more people are having experiences where loved ones come through to them, and not just in, you know, the aspect of me doing it, but everybody has their own personal experiences.
		So, I mean, when you get stuff like that, it's understandable that's his belief system, so he's entitled to his opinion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're absolutely right about how many people are having these experiences.
		And I interviewed an anesthesiologist last week.
		God, it was fascinating.
		I don't know if you, did you happen to catch that program?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I wish I would have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go back if you're able to listen to programs and take a listen to that one.
		My God, it was interesting.
		He's going down really a lot of the same paths we are, not quite as psychically, but more scientifically.
		Now, is your psychic ability increasing as you get older?
		How old are you now, Jeffrey?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I'm 42.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		42.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think it's increasing as you get older or decreasing?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I think as I'm getting older, I'm more relaxed with it.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		So I would say to you that I probably handle it better now than I did before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I really have always wondered, there is something magical, mystical about mirrors.
		By the way, I know Raymond Moody very well.
		I've interviewed him for years and years now.
		I know about the psychomania.
		And what is it about mirrors, Jeffrey?
		What is it?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I think it's, especially with what Raymond does, it's the idea of, I think, making that connection because that mirror is like the other door, and it allows us to get into that state.
		And maybe it's more of the unconsciousness coming up more so than anything else.
		But I know when I, you know, it's funny because when I went down to Raymond's house and I had that experience, Raymond had told me that there were two other mediums that had come down that had the same experience.
		So it was kind of interesting.
		And you know, Raymond Raymond's very science-oriented.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I do.
		All right, let's talk for a moment.
		It's October.
		It's ghost-to-ghost month.
		Yes, I will be doing ghost-to-ghost this year, I do believe.
		Now, we all know there are ghosts, or at least ghosts certainly reported again and again and again and again.
		What can you tell me about why a spirit chooses to inhabit frequently the residence where it passed away?
		Why does that happen?
		Why are these spirits still on earth?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it depends on the situation.
		You're saying what the residents I find it to be when I'm called into a house.
		It usually is really more connected to the lamb than the actual house.
		It'll depend also with that soul and how that soul has died or how that soul has moved on.
		I remember probably about four or five months ago, I had gotten a call and a woman asked me to come to her house.
		They were having problems at her house.
		And what had happened was before she had bought the house, there was a murder in the house, and it wasn't disclosed to her.
		And her two kids were waking up in the middle of the night telling the mother that there was a gentleman in the house with a shotgun and he was pointing it at them.
		And what had happened was the gentleman that was the owner before had killed his family and killed himself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		And that energy was lingering, and that was what was causing it.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		And I find it to be, especially with kids, kids are extremely open and extremely sensitive, and they're not polluted yet, you know, in the way that we are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In your case, you learned you were psychic at a very early age, six, and then sort of allowed that to develop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think with other adults, particularly those not exposed or not predisposed to be thinking about this sort of thing, we actually begin to form, as we get older, a barrier against it, don't we?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Oh, very much so, because our belief systems come in, we get cynical.
		You know, it's different things that take place.
		And I think it's also based on some of our different life experiences.
		I mean, the thing that makes me crazy, it's like, you know, People will say, How do I know?
		I don't believe it.
		I don't see it.
		I think more and more what science should be doing is looking at it more in a multi-dimensional way.
		They don't look at this, they look at it in one way.
		And you get the people that are skeptic that do this potentially kind of studies.
		They only do it in one way.
		They forget that we live in a world that's extremely multi-dimensional.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just hit on something that really has been fascinating me of late.
		Of course, a lot of theoretical physicists and others we talk to here on the air talk about multiple dimensions, 11 or more.
		And I'm beginning to think that science and the world that you live in, the paranormal, Jeffrey, are beginning to come together.
		And it seems like it's not all that far away.
		Now, maybe it's just because I do this program, but it really does seem as though science and the paranormal have this meeting place that I can almost see now when there's going to be discovery of another universe, a parallel universe, and it's going to begin to answer some of the questions that people like yourself generate with what you're saying.
		What do you think?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you.
		I think it's getting closer.
		I think it's science's responsibility to do better science.
		I think what happens is you get some people, and I know the Russell Targs and some of the other great people that are involved with doing the research, which is good, but you have other people that are very one-dimensional in their thought process that are really not looking at the fact that you've got millions and millions of people all through the world that are having experiences.
		And this is not like because they're doing mushrooms or they're doing some sort of hallucinogen.
		They're doing it more because they're actually experiencing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not to rule out hallucinations as a path, according to some guests I've had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you feel about that?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I think that you don't need to be in that state for it to happen.
		I think that it'll come at different points.
		And I think with certain people, our loved ones make those connections when things are needed.
		I really believe that they do affect us.
		And I would probably use you as an example from the standpoint that you went through all this stuff and then you were able to put a certain chapter of your life behind you and find happiness with somebody else.
		And I'm sure, and I would probably base my professional opinion on it, that your lovely wife that you lost had a big say in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I really absolutely believe that.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Well, and you know, my belief system, you know, nothing happens by accident.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Near-death experiences, that's been another one that has confused me.
		It seems as though people who have had NDEs frequently turn their lives around.
		I mean, if they were, you know, doing something somewhat unsavory or whatever, after they have their NDE and a life review, that sort of thing, they turn their lives around.
		Well, it's always seemed, I mean, maybe that's part of their soul map, as you call it.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I would say, yeah, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you think so?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that's part of it, because I think what will happen is you get these people and, you know, they're very self-destructive, and they go through something horrible.
		It could be, you know, drug-related, alcohol-related, car accident, whatever it is.
		And I think that when they go through these near-death experiences, it definitely changes your path.
		It makes you maybe recognize your path where you wouldn't have seen it before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But they are privy then to information about the other side and how it all works that the rest of us are not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that if we're leading a somewhat unsavory life, we will continue to do so until the day we die and then presumably be punished for it in a way that somebody who had an NDE and corrected their life might not be.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I would say to you, probably the punishment would come from the fact that you would come back in the incarnation and have to do it all over again and go through the same aspect of it.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I think that's part of the soul map from the point that they do go through these NDEs at that point because they're supposed to really enlighten their path and end up being where they're supposed to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Can you, Jeffrey, essentially do this at will?
		You mentioned earlier you had a client, so obviously you have clients.
		You have people who come to you to speak to or to find out about a loved one who has passed on frequently.
		You do that kind of work.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I do that, and then there's other people that come to me that would be in a business way where they would want direction in a business sense or a life path.
		So it would be different things.
		I mean, I have a couple therapists that I work with, so it'll vary with the need.
		I have a woman who's a trauma therapist who I get nothing but people that have lost kids to suicide.
		And I work with her closely from the point that she helps the families get closure in one sense and deal with their grief, and then I help them with the closure of the lost person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		So many psychics, Jeffrey, seem to tell people what they want to hear.
		And the more you pay for it, the more you hear what you want to hear.
		Not that one.
		All right.
		Well, then my question to you is this.
		When you get somebody sitting in front of you or that you are consulting and you look at their soul path or soul map, if you will, and you see really something tragic, really something awful coming up, do you tell them about it?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I will tell them in a way where I wouldn't say, God forbid, if you were sitting in front of me and I would say to you, you know, you're going to die three weeks from now.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I will tell them in a way to tell them to look for this bump in the road, and hopefully they can prevent this bump in the road.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but that's not a bump in the road.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's more like a ravine opening up after a nine-point earthquake.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, you're going to die.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Agreed.
		But just as that, as an example, or I've had it with other people where, you know, I know a relationship is going to end.
		I will give them a heads up.
		There's a way of handling people, and I think with my experience in doing this, I've learned to do it in a way where you can do it soft.
		I mean, I've seen other people be so blunt and do it in such a mean-spirited way that I would never do it that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you must, as frequently as not, see some sort.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, life is full of tragedy and death and all sorts of things.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I usually will give a person a heads up.
		I had a situation recently where I had a young woman come.
		She hadn't spoken to her dad in 12 years.
		And I nudged her about getting in contact with the father.
		And she was able to resolve with the father.
		And the father ended up dying four weeks later.
		So things like that, you know, you can do it in a way where you nudge them or you strongly suggest that they should take care of this immediately without scaring them and saying, oh, my God, you know, your loved one's going to pass in two weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A nudge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, for example, do you say somebody that you, I mean, if you look at somebody and you see the Grim Reaper ahead, do you say, listen, by the way, have you updated your will?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't say it that way, or I wouldn't say, you know, have you bought life insurance?
		I would say, you know, this is a good time to get things in order, work relationships through.
		I would do it in a more subtle way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is pretty subtle for, I mean, somebody who's going to die.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Agreed.
		But, I mean, if you were sitting in front of me and you knew you had three weeks to live, I've had people ask me point blank and say, you know, it'll depend.
		I had people come to me that have had cancer That I know they're going to have a very short period of time.
		And I had one client say to me, How much time do I have?
		You know, can I do this, this, and this?
		So in that case, it's good.
		In other cases, it would just pertain to how much I think the person can handle it.
		I mean, the bad side of what I do is you do get some people that are not legitimate that do take advantage of people, and very much so.
		I mean, I actually talk about this.
		We have a lot of this in New York.
		It's the gypsy stuff, where I had this lovely, lovely little Italian woman who wanted her 40-year-old daughter married in the worst way.
		And she got bled for $80,000 from a gypsy.
		And they set it up to the point where they said to her, your daughter's going to meet somebody on the train.
		And they actually had somebody go to the extent who knew this person where they set up a meeting.
		And, you know, this went on and on and on.
		And I remember this woman coming to me, and I'm like, look, you've got to call so-and-so I know who's with this particular crime unit with NYPD.
		And you need to stop this because you're getting taken advantage of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you a very blunt question, Jeffrey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What percentage of people who do what you do, in your opinion, are frauds?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		It's a tough thing because I can't answer for everybody else.
		I think there are a lot of talented mediums out there, and the human effect comes in.
		I mean, there are certain people.
		It's like doctors, lawyers, you're going to get frauds.
		I don't know how I would answer that as far as percentages per se.
		I tell people probably the best thing to do is to experience, you know, have your own experience first.
		Like, if you were going to come to someone like myself, you know, have a recommendation, know somebody in your family or somebody that's a friend that would have that connection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You seem to do a lot of personal work, you know, in predicting people's lives or in contacting their loved ones.
		Jeffrey, there are a lot of people in your line of endeavor who also predict world events.
		And I wonder if that kind of information comes to you as well, and if so, how?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I've had it like probably a couple instances I had with plane crashes where actually in my dream state, I will be on the plane.
		It ends up crashing.
		You know, it'll come that way.
		I remember the war, you know, the first war with the first President Bush, and I remember dreaming about that like six months before it happened with seeing the desert and seeing it in that way.
		But usually when I get world events, it'll come more in a dream state.
		The one other time that I would say to you that I had a sense of something major happening would have been when John F. Kennedy Jr. died.
		I had this feeling at that time, the same thing with Princess Diana, where there was going to be something major in the world that was going to have a world effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you get pretty much what you want to get, Jeffrey?
		In other words, if you're wanting to find the loved one of a client, that's what you get.
		Or if you're seeking world events, do you get those?
		Does it work that way?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		No, it doesn't.
		I usually will sit with somebody, let's just say, for example, you wanted to contact your wife and I was speaking to you.
		It may be a grandparent, it may be a grandmother first that will be the table setter that will bring her through.
		Initially, I usually get somebody else before that person will come through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you enjoy your work or do you find it, you know, as in the case of the television program with Ms. Dubois, it seems as much of a curse many times as a blessing?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I love what I do in the sense of the result.
		I have only, I would say, in the last three, four years, I'm more at peace with it since I've been doing national TV.
		And I got through getting over the bump of not being afraid of it so much.
		And it's amazing because people, like, every time I do national TV, I'll get these emails from people.
		It'll be about, you know, people unsolved murders and things of that nature.
		And they write all these emails.
		And I try to pick out things that I could try to help people with.
		And I think that's probably the best part of what I do in regards to if I can bring that little ounce of closure to somebody, it's going to bring them a little peace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you delineate between what you do and what so-called remote viewers do?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I think that they're very similar, except that in my experiences with a remote viewer, it's probably more so because they're going after a particular object or a particular thing.
		I think with me, I think it's a part of it.
		I think it's a different form of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remote viewing is a very structured, in its purest form, very disciplined thing.
		And they try and remove all ego and all current ego is the right word, I guess.
		That's right.
		And emotions, from what they do.
		A psychic or a medium doesn't really do that, do they?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		No, and we do feel, you know, especially I'm a dad, I have kids.
		When I sit with somebody who lost a kid, of course I'm going to feel that.
		Might be a good way to do it sometimes, but I think I would be too robotic, and I don't think I would be as effective from that point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, you say you're now pretty much at peace with yourself with regard to what you do, and even being in the media and doing it, you're still at peace.
		That must be tough.
		I mean, if you go on television, for example, and you're required to perform on queue, that's a little rough, isn't it?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		It is, but you know what?
		I've gotten to the point now, it's kind of funny.
		Every time I do something with cameras or I do something like that, we have all kinds of problems with equipment.
		I did a book signing today, and they had given me a cordless mic, and sure enough, I went through three cordless mics.
		It was very funny.
		But I'm at a point now, like in front of the cameras, I don't even pay attention to the fact that the cameras are there.
		I'm good in the sense that I'm in my zone and I'm focused on what I've got to do.
		And I'm not afraid to be wrong.
		I'm not God by any means.
		And I tell people, you know, this is not 100% science.
		I can be having a bad day.
		You know, it's like an athlete who, you know, you could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good to hear you say that.
		Another door opens, in fact, is your book.
		And we'll talk a little bit about that when we get back.
		It's break time.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		You are indeed from the sort of foggy, misty Manila this Afternoon.
		Jeffrey Wands is my guest, and indeed he has written a book.
		And we're going to talk a little bit about that.
		I get a lot of emails sometimes that say, hey, how come everybody who comes on the show has written a book, selling a book or something?
		Well, that's kind of the trade-off, and it's a good trade-off that we make.
		Indeed, a lot of our guests have written books.
		In the case of Jeffrey, Another Door Opens is the name of his book.
		And I personally consider it to be an excellent trade-off.
		We give them an opportunity to promote their book a little bit, and they give us a very, very good idea of what's in it.
		We'll do that in a moment.
unidentified		We'll do that in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, the news I gave you apparently is getting confirmed.
		About 10 fast blasts here, about 30 communist guerrillas have indeed attacked a Japanese-funded international airport being built in the central Philippines.
		And I'll just have to update you from there.
		Once again, Jeffrey Wands, your book is Another Door Opens, Jeffrey.
		Why that title?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I just thought it was very apropos from the point of what I deal with every day, and it's the understanding that I try to tell people death is a door.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		And when you open that door, it's a whole different experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did you try to do in the book?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what was the point of the book?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I think the main point of the book is I put some experiences that I had with death.
		I used actually some clients that I met with that we interviewed.
		And it was interesting because I have one story in the book.
		It was a husband and wife, and, you know, men are normally skeptical, and they had lost a child, and they were kind of blown away by the experience.
		They ended up bringing their daughter, who was young at the time.
		And it's just part of the healing process that's in there.
		And then the other part of the book that I talk about is my experiences working with therapists and their perspective of what I do and the importance of the whole healing process of death and the different stages of what we go through in that healing process.
		And then I also talk about the idea of dreams.
		And it's interesting.
		I always tell people, if you ever have a dream where you're in a snowstorm or a blizzard, make sure you go out and buy a lotto ticket.
		Because I actually had one of the lotto winners that had that dream, and her dead father-in-law gave her the winning numbers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever taken the journey of trying to find out about your own future?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I asked periodically for things, and it's interesting before I wrote my first book and I did my second book and TV and radio, they had come to me one night in a dream and said to me that you're going to be doing media.
		And I was laughing at the time, and I had no interest in doing it.
		I was very happy with just having my clientele and just leaving it the way it was.
		And I think that's where I got a glimpse and also getting a glimpse of me having two sons and my wife.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's quite a bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever attempted to look even further ahead to see where your life is going, to see where even perhaps your life ends?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I've gotten feelings.
		I mean, I've had this conversation with my wife, and my wife gets extremely upset with me about, you know, when it would be my time to go and, you know, how I'd want to go.
		And, you know, I kind of try to hint with her sometimes that I know that I'm going to be going at a certain point.
		And, you know, she gets extremely upset like anybody's wife would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
		A couple of few weeks ago, I did a very, I thought, very important program on the subject of suicide, Jeffrey, taking your own life.
		What can you tell me about that?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Well, in my experience, I have one therapist that I work with.
		It's all kids' suicides.
		I would say to you that a good 94% of those suicides that I deal with are people that are actually, you know, do have mental illness that are taken into a place where they just lose it.
		And then you come across those 6% that are the ones that do it out of spite or they do it out of anger at that particular time.
		But a lot of people ask me, do you still get to heaven if you kill oneself?
		Do you still get across?
		And I found it to be the ones that have gone through the, I would say, the mental trauma where it's a mental condition or it's schizophrenia or manic depression or it could be a medication that triggered it.
		They seem to come through much stronger than the other 6% that are kind of still caught up in that anger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that you need to be mentally abnormal to take your own life?
		Or do you think that there can be rational decisions made to take your own life?
		And if so, what's the result of that?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll give you a perfect example.
		I've had a couple of people that have come to me that have had family members that went from ALS and the Lugarig's disease.
		And in two of those situations, those people killed themselves because of the fact that they didn't want the end result of that terrible disease.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any rationale?
		Right.
		I agree.
		That may be rational, Jeffrey.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I mean, not that I'm encouraging suicide by any means.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My question is, with regard to the other side or whatever you know about the other side, what would be the path on the other side for somebody who had done that?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		The experiences I've had where I've sat with people, they've come through right away in that element.
		They understand.
		They made that choice to kind of make it easier on their family.
		You know, one did it because of financial reasons.
		One did it because of the pain factor, all different things.
		But they came across.
		But I mean, I wouldn't want to be like saying to people out there that we're going to form the Hemlock Society and commit suicide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, of course not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you're saying those people.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		They get across, they get settled, they understand cognitively, in a way, what they've done, why they've done it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there some sort of karmic price to pay for that?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I've got to believe that there is, based on that experience.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Granted, the souls that I've been dealing with haven't reincarnated yet, but I would be inclined to believe that you would pick up some residual karma in the process.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wonder if, in that case, reincarnation would be considered a good thing or a bad thing.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I guess it would probably pertain to how you would come in.
		But, I mean, I remember this one in particular.
		This woman was very diligent and very deliberate about doing it.
		They had gotten to the point where they exhausted a tremendous amount of financial resources.
		The family was going to lose the house, and she just decided that it was time.
		She didn't want to put her family through anything more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know what the traditional religious view of that is, and I just, somehow, in my mind, I just can't think of a God that is vengeful.
		I mean, in the case you just cited, for example, that almost all the financial resources are gone, the person's in great pain, so forth and so on.
		They take their own life.
		I just can't, in the world that I walk in and I understand, I cannot imagine that person being punished in some terrible way for what they've done.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I would be inclined to believe that, too.
		I mean, I haven't seen it from my experiences with the clients I've dealt with.
		Not that I would encourage people to do that, but most definitely, I could probably count four instances, and they came through in a very good way.
		They were peaceful.
		You know, they were happy where they were.
		They had found a sense of contentment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Where do you plan to go from here, Jeffrey?
		I mean, are you going to just sort of be happy and satisfied with what you've done thus far, continue to have clients?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I think probably the thing I would like to do maybe more in time would be to teach and to get people to be more aware of their own abilities.
		That probably would be one of the things that I would like to do.
		I mean, I'm a big radio fan.
		You know, I had to a show in New York, not to the degree of what you're doing, but, you know, I do a weekly show.
		Of course, in my situation, we play music because it's an adult contemporary format.
		But, you know, I would say probably I love doing radio.
		That would be something that I would want to continue to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is no better way to communicate.
		Television, of course, requires pictures and visual support for whatever is being done.
		Where, of course, in radio, you can kind of create a mental picture that just, I don't know, television actually takes away from in many instances.
		So radio is a wonderful medium in every way I can think of.
		Okay.
		I'll tell you what.
		Shortly we will begin to take calls, and I'm sure a million people are going to want to talk to you.
		One thing I would like to stay away from, though, Jeffrey, here on the radio is people to call up to get readings from you.
		I don't want to do that.
		I'm not going to allow that to occur simply because it satisfies the one person who calls, but is a tremendous kind of bore to the rest of the audience.
		So I would hope that the people that would call would call with general questions about psychic ability, about the other side, about talking to people on the other side, that kind of thing.
		That's what I'm looking for, audience, if you can hear me, not individual readings.
		That's sort of a trap that I think that a lot of people in radio fall into.
		Of course, if you do individual readings, the phones light up like a Christmas tree, but it's just a trap that talk show hosts fall into.
		So what, that they light up?
		It's just going to bore the hell out of the rest of the audience.
		So I want to stay away from that, folks.
		So don't ask for specific readings, please.
		But rather generally kind of interview Jeffrey in the way I have been, if that's okay with you, Jeffrey.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		It's my honor to share my knowledge.
		It would be great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Is what you do, Jeffrey, hereditary?
		Do you believe it's hereditary?
		In other words, was your mom or your father in some way psychic?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		On my mom's side, my grandmother went blind at a certain age.
		And I definitely remember my mom's mom being extremely in tuned and having the ability to hear your voice and to describe what you looked like.
		So I would say, yes, part of it is hereditary, but I think that we all have it.
		So I wouldn't say to you that it just has to be in families.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think we all have it?
		Oh, without a doubt.
		Perhaps we do, but as I mentioned earlier, as many of us grow older that don't look into this sort of topic, we build a wall against it.
		So are there people who are psychically thick as bricks?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I call them stubborn people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stubborn people.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're definitely stubborn.
		They definitely have their own aspect.
		You know, no matter what you do, that's probably the worst part of my job.
		I call it pulling a rabbit out of your hat.
		They want you to do the smoke and mirrors thing.
		And you could give them the license plate of the car.
		And I laughed.
		The thing that I get all the time from people is, oh, you could have Googled me.
		You could have got all this information.
		If I had time to Google everybody, it would be crazy.
		But you do get that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you do get that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you get a lot of people who are just thinking that you're doing this for – You're doing this for a living, right?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you charge people to do what you do?
		Yes, I do.
		And I'm sure that alone makes people skeptical about what you do.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but when I do the groups and I do the things that I'm doing from that standpoint, like I did this thing two weeks ago for breast cancer, I wasn't getting paid for it.
		I did a large group.
		We had 500 people.
		I mean, I'm big about giving back, so I can't say that all the things I do when I do the radio show, even though I know you were talking about not liking the idea of the readings and the whole bit, I mean, when I do the readings and stuff like that, I'm not getting paid for the radio show.
		I do it because I love radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so do I. But again, as I mentioned, that is kind of a trap that you fall into.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I agree, but Unfortunately, you know, people do like it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I'm well aware of it.
		I mean, you're only satisfying one person, and we have a giant audience out there that's interested in this sort of general topic.
		So let's give it a try.
		Let's see how we do.
		Here on the first-time caller line, we've got somebody or another for Jeffrey Wands.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Good day.
unidentified		How's it going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going just fine, sir.
unidentified		I was going to ask what he thought about 2012 and all the things leading up to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
		I'm glad you did.
		There's been a lot of speculation, Jeffrey.
		I know this is not necessarily your forte, but 2012, of course, is the end of the Mayan calendar.
		And many people want to know whether it's the end of everything else.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, I would say to you, I haven't had any indication of that, so I wouldn't go out on the limb tonight and say to you that I'm 100% convinced in that timeframe.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I know we're constantly being tested in the world, and I'm sure you were talking about North Korea and the whole idea of the nuclear stuff, but I'm not inclined to believe that we're not going to be here in 2012.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there anything at all as you look out ahead of all of us, Jeffrey, if you ever do that, if you ever try to simply look out ahead, you don't see any sudden darkness or a sudden wall or inability to see past a certain time, as in the whole world ending, do you?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Not yet so far.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		We'll definitely send you an email if I get to that point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		First, no, make that wildcard line.
		You're on the air with Jeffrey Wands.
		Hi.
		Hello?
		Going once.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For some reason, I guess I didn't push the button.
		Let's try it now.
		Wildcard line, there you are.
		You're on the air now.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, how are you?
		This is so strange.
		I knew I would get through tonight for some reason.
		I've tried so many times, but something just told me I'd get through tonight.
		Jeff, it's really a pleasure to hear you.
		I have a few questions.
		First question is, my mom passed about four years ago, and I noticed I'm picking up a few of her traits just to give you, for instance, she used to grunt a lot like that.
		It used to annoy me.
		I find myself doing it now.
		And she used to cut out coupons obsessively.
		And I'm finding myself doing that now.
		And it drives me nuts.
		And is that something unusual?
		Do you find that?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I find it to be the departed find a way to get across.
		And maybe it's your mom's way of being cute in her own way and letting you know that she's there, and that's why she's doing what she's doing.
		So it's not unusual.
		I mean, I've had many different forms of contacts.
		I've had clients who've gotten their departed people up on their answering machine, which are EVPs.
		We've done other stuff where in pictures, we've actually gotten spirits up in pictures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there, you just hit on something I really want to talk to you about, Jeffrey.
		I have EVP.
		I've, of course, had people who do EVPs.
		It's a non-profit group up in Utah.
		My God, I need them back on the air again here shortly.
		EVPs are probably the single most convincing piece of evidence to me personally, Jeffrey.
		I mean, I have looked at this so carefully, and I just can't find a way to knock it down.
		I can't find a way to shoot holes in it, Jeffrey.
		What do you think of EVPs?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll give you a good example.
		We did a Maury show that coincided with the release of the movie White Noise with Michael Titan.
		And we had some people on the show that actually, one woman in particular had gotten EVPs from her daughter that was killed in a car accident.
		And I've done some stuff with a friend of mine where we've gotten EVPs on a digital recorder in a cemetery where we've actually gotten voices that have said, you know, get out.
		And you can hear them clearly.
		So I am a firm believer.
		If I can hear them, why can't they come up on tape recorders?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		By the way, folks, it's electronic voice phenomena.
		And it's people who are able to record either digitally or on tape the voice of those on the other side.
		And I really am a believer in this.
		And I'm not exactly sure all the time what we're getting.
		I find, Jeffrey, that a lot of the EVPs that I've heard, a disturbing percentage of them, number one, are children.
		And number two, a disturbing percentage of them are disturbing.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because I think that's where we get into what we talked about earlier, the idea of the good spirits and the bad spirits.
		You are going to, in some cases, those EVPs are more lower form energy, which are basically spirits that haven't moved on.
		But in other cases, you will get some really good EVPs where there are departed family members that just want to come through and let you know that they're there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why are so many so damn scary?
		Like, it's dark.
		It's cold in here.
		Get the hell out.
		You know, the typical Halloween scare the hell out of you kind of message.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I think in those cases, what happens is what I was saying earlier about the idea of the bad spirits.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		You're going to get some of these souls that are either poltergeist or souls that are kind of lingering around that are still carrying a lot of the anger that they had in the life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's kind of where I was going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You then believe that when you get to the other side, Jeffrey, the personality traits you had, if you were a rotten SOB on this side, you're still likely going to be a rotten SOB on the other side?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		You do carry that over.
		I mean, it drives me crazy when I see other psychics that talk about the fact that, you know, the afterlife, we're all holding hands and we're singing kumbaya.
		And I don't think that's the case.
		I mean, that's the evolution of the soul, and it's the process of the soul.
		And you're going to get some negative energy that does linger because we have good and evil in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then.
		It absolutely makes sense.
		Jeffrey Wands is my guest.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		The phone lines are absolutely going berserk, as you might imagine they are.
		Once again, My little caveat for talking with Jeffrey, please do not ask for a personal reading, but rather keep your questions or your inquiries in the general category, which will be of interest to all from Manila in the Philippines with a strange haze over the city.
		I'm Art Bell.
		My guest is Jeffrey Wands.
		He is a psychic.
		All I ask is that you keep your questions general about the world of psychic ability, and he certainly has it, rather than doing specific readings.
		Somebody just sent me an email, and by the way, you can do that, of course.
		My email address is artbell at mindspring.com.
		Actually, two of them.
		Artbell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, at A-O-L.com, or Artbell at MindSpring.com.
		Somebody just sent me an email.
		Marine scientists report massive dead zones, rising tides of untreated sewage, plastic debris, seriously threatening marine life and habitat around the globe.
		Now, dead zones can encompass areas of the ocean 100,000 square kilometers in size where nothing lives because there's no oxygen left in the water.
		Nitrogen pollution, mainly from farm fertilizers, sewage, other things that we don't understand, produce blooms of algae that absorb all oxygen in the water.
unidentified		These really are dead zones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing lives, nothing in our oceans.
		Now, many people believe that we originally came from the oceans.
		And if we get to a point where there's nothing left in the oceans where they are dead, then what are our expectations?
		And that's not even to mention the rest of what's going on in the world right now.
		We'll cover all that and get to your questions for Jeffrey Wands in a moment.
		Jeffrey, not even considering the proliferation of nuclear weapons and what's going on right now in North Korea and elsewhere, but looking at the dead zones in the ocean, looking at what's going on in the world right now with respect to ocean currents, which may end up freezing the European parts of the European continent, looking at our air or the lack of good breathable air and a lot of other problems on the planet right now.
		And I know this is asking for a psychic revelation of the largest sort, but it really does look like we're on the road to more or less destroying ourselves, Jeffrey.
		I wonder if you have any thoughts about all that at all.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		You know, especially when you have kids, you know, I worry about the fact that the kids are going to have a place to survive in, you know, down the road.
		But I haven't been given any indication yet that we're not going to have a place to exist.
		So I got to believe from that standpoint, there's still something in the bigger plan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's hope.
		Wildcard Line, you are on the air with Jeffrey Wands.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Recent discovery with your program.
		It's always great, night after night.
		And Jeffrey, thank you.
		No problem.
		No problem.
		And Jeffrey, I have a question for you.
		I use a candle visioning process where I stare at a candle for a few moments and I have the light to memory in the rods of the eye.
		And in that field, I transition in colors from bright yellow to orange, then to blue.
		And when I hit the blue stage, I see geometric linear patterns and faces, lots and lots of faces.
		And a specific example here that's incredible is in 94, when I was living in Phoenix, I used the process, saw the word Sama spelled out in blue letters, and then saw a bunch of faces.
		The next day I was riding out of town on my bicycle.
		I saw three figures on a hill with a truck.
		And when I arrived adjacent to these persons, I glanced to my right, saw a young cowboy looking at me at the same instant, and it was like total realization, just a total consciousness between the two of us.
		At a later point, I discovered that Nostradamus used a candle or a flame to create or cause or experience his vision.
		So what I'm wondering is, who am I experiencing as to the people in this process?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think what you're doing in essence, and I actually talk about an exercise in my first book about doing the whole candle work in regards to the fact that you're tapping into a consciousness, which is probably what you're seeing with those people are actually people from the spirit world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me follow up, Jeffrey.
		Whether it's a candle or whether it's mirrors and a psychomantium or some other process that a person concocts, Jeffrey, does it really matter?
		Does it really matter?
		Or is it just the intent of the person to find a psychic path?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I think it's probably it doesn't matter per se as much.
		It just helps us get on the path.
		And I think it enhances it in the way that it gets us to be more aware of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, fair enough.
		First time caller line from Florida.
		I think you're on the air with Jeffrey Wands.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		How are you?
		Okay.
		My name is Joan.
		I'm from Cape Coral, Florida.
		I'm psychic, clairboyant, clear audient.
		I've had quite a number of experiences, and this has been a great program.
		I really love you, Art.
		You're great.
		Programs have just been wonderful lately that I've been listening to.
		And I did have a question.
		I've had this gift since I was, you know, quite small, a small child, and then it was dormant for some time in my teenage years.
		And Jeffrey, I don't know if you've ever had a dormant time like that, but then it came back after the birth of my daughter.
		And the psychic awareness was really great.
		And I would start seeing things, spirits and stuff like that, and just getting thoughts in my head as to things that were going to happen in the world, and then it would happen.
		And I was just wondering, is why is it so prominent in some people?
		And in some people, you know, they just have like maybe a slight intuition.
		I mean, I always considered it to be more of like saints got this type of thing, and I'm certainly no saint.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you were kind of asking why are some people more psychic than others?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the more interesting question I thought, and you're welcome to answer that one, Jeffrey, is why she had this sort of blank period in her ability.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Well, not knowing your history or anything from that standpoint, but usually when people do have experiences early on, they get to a point where they get a little frightened by them and they have a tendency to block them.
		And then the idea of the fact that you gave birth and you really made a connection and the fact that you were bringing a new soul or a soul in the world, that could have taken away some of that fear and taken away some of that loss element that you had where you went away from it.
		So the fact is, is bringing your daughter in and celebrating that beautiful connection of bringing in a very special soul definitely would probably enhance that.
		Just like how you get, you know, just how you get, like, probably another example would be when you have twins, how the twins have an uncanny knack to know when the other one's in trouble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever had a psychic blank period?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Only one time when I was going through something physically, I had gotten to a point where I was having an issue with my heart.
		And what ended up happening was I actually had picked up, I guess, just a lot of negative energy and a lot of nonsense that had gone on.
		And I just went through maybe like a three-week period, but it was more because I needed the rest and I needed to kind of recharge my batteries.
		But not like where it was years or anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
		All right, let's go west of the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Jeffrey Wands.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Howdy.
unidentified		Hi, it's Ken.
		Kenny P from New Orleans.
		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Kenny.
unidentified		All right, I have a question for you, guest.
		Jeffrey?
		Yeah.
		Hi, this is Kenny P. Look, I've had numerous encounters with apparitions that the show and I have commonly come to know as shadow people.
		And I've been plagued by these apparitions for about 15 years now.
		And I'm trying to find out whether these are perhaps they correlate with a lost one that I lost 15 years ago.
		And I'm trying to find out if this might be the apparition of someone I lost 15 years ago or if this is actually some demonic apparition.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I didn't get the impression when you said that it was something demonic.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I got more of the impression that it would relate more to a loved one that had passed on that you didn't get closure with, that you didn't get a chance to say goodbye to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jeffrey, widening that out a little bit, apparitions or spirits, when you're in contact with a spirit, are there times when you are totally unaware of who it is you're in contact with or perhaps even a non-human spirit of some sort?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I haven't had anything non-human.
		I've had basically animals.
		I've had people.
		I haven't had anything alien-like or anything like that.
		But there are points sometimes where I've had some souls play games with me where they won't exactly tell me who they are.
		And it usually takes a little while to clarify it.
		And then I'm able to figure it out.
		But in some cases, like while I would think I would be getting a male, it was actually a female.
		It was just coming across as a male.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you able to discern between an animal spirit and a human spirit?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Usually with me, because of the fact that it's not so much like I personally think, you know, animals speak, okay, but they don't actually speak in the sense of the English language in the way that we do.
		But usually when I am making those connections with animals, they're going to give me like symbols or something that's visual that I can relate to.
		So I've had a couple of times, I actually had a woman that I sat with one time who had lost her horse, and the horse came through, and the horse would do certain things with his front leg to acknowledge her.
		And when I was in the session with her, the horse was giving me those symbols, and she knew exactly what I was talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's amazing.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Jeffrey Wands.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		I would like to know how a person can interpret a clairvoyant dream, one that comes in symbols or metaphors.
		And I'd also like to know if a person is having clairvoyant dreams, how they can encourage, if there is anything you can do to encourage having more of them.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Okay, excellent question.
		I'll break it down for you.
		Now, there's two types of things that happen.
		There are some people that get dreams that are related to people that have passed on, whether you're getting a visitation.
		That's one thing, okay, and I call that a visitation.
		Where the other type of dream that you're talking about, if I'm not mistaken, was the idea of getting something like in a prediction form?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, she said metaphor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, how would you interpret some sort of metaphor in a dream?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Well, probably a good example of that would be if you had somebody come through and that person was crying and it was a loved one.
		It doesn't necessarily mean in that dream per se that that person is upset with you.
		It could represent something else that's going on in the family or something that's coming up in the family that's not necessarily a nice thing, per se, a sickness, a death.
		So that would be the part of their way of kind of giving you a heads up or a warning.
		But she was also mentioning like how you would improve on it.
		And I tell people there are different exercises that you can use in regards to which I talk about in the book is just ask for them to clarify something if you don't understand it.
		And usually they will come through and clarify it.
		And I always tell people to make sure you keep some sort of little journal by the side of the bed because I've had it with clients and also in my own situations where you will get certain patterns maybe three or four nights that make no sense, and then when you put them all together, they make sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jeffrey, and then, of course, you quickly forget dreams if you don't write them down.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Usually.
		Jeffrey, there's one other thing.
		I've had a lot of dream analysts on the show, and I've always been shocked that dreams rarely mean what they seem to mean.
		Occam's razor just doesn't seem to apply to dreams if you're to believe dream analysts.
		Usually it means something totally different.
		Do you agree with that?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		In some cases, but probably the classic example, I'm sure, I don't know if you've ever had the dream, I've had the dream where your teeth fall out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's one I haven't had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank God.
		But usually that will represent, in my experiences, you know, illness, death, that type of thing.
		And it doesn't mean for you personally, but it'll represent something in the family.
		Probably the other element is what I said earlier about the idea of having a dream in a state where you are basically covered in a snowstorm and things of that.
		You would expect that to mean cold, chilly, but it doesn't mean that.
		It means wealth and abundance.
		So I think it's in different forms.
		But then you get the other dreams where it could be your great-grandmother, Elaine who passed away, who comes through in the dream and hugs you.
		Does that mean that she's going to take you?
		And the answer is no.
		That's her way of giving a visitation to let you know that she did get across.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've never had the teeth falling out dream.
		However, I do recall having a dream about having earwax.
		Yes, yes, yes.
		And in this dream, the doctor was taking a pair of scissors and slowly twisting them into one of my ears to remove the earwax.
		I found that very disturbing.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I would say it would be.
		That sounds disturbing very much so.
		I don't know that I would want that done.
		But I would interpret the ear as meaning for you, like opening up another stage in your life, another channel in your life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you go.
		They never mean what you think they mean.
		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Jeffrey Wands.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art and Jeff.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes, it's wonderful to talk to you.
		Art, the dead zone in our oceans, a sperm whale washed up on our shore on Wednesday.
		And I thought it'd be great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you located, sir?
unidentified		Pardon me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Oh, I'm in KEX.
unidentified		I'm in Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is a dead zone off the Oregon coast, but there are now, I think, about 200 dead zones worldwide, sir, and they're getting gigantic.
		This is scary stuff.
		Anyway, go ahead.
unidentified		Yes, it is.
		Okay, I have two quick questions.
		One for you, Art.
		A very wonderful, strong name for a young man would be Ace.
		That's what I named my son.
		And it's been great.
		And for Jeff, how can one go about to refine one's abilities?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I tell people there's different exercises.
		I think it's more in being able to learn to focus and do things with concentration.
		Most people can't sit still more than three, four minutes a day.
		So I describe little exercises that you can do to try to hone that.
		You could do it through psychometry, which is the idea of taking an object and being able to pick up the vibrations from that particular object.
		There's all different levels of that that you can do, but that would be, but I usually tell people the first step is learning how to meditate maybe three, four minutes a day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, quiet the mind.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Very much so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jeffrey Wands.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Thank you so much for taking my call.
		And Jeffrey, I have a question about suicide.
		Anyway, my bipolar son, he, we believe, accidentally took his life five years ago.
		And you had said earlier that people who know what they're doing, you believed in the afterlife that there may be some sort of, you didn't say punishment, but a consequence for that.
		My question is, those people with mental illnesses, you said that they would have an easier time transitioning, but you didn't really say if there would be consequences in the afterlife.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		With my experiences, especially, I'm sorry to hear, especially in regards, you know, with that.
		But I've come across the majority of the ones that I've dealt with that have had mental illness and have gone through that, there hasn't really been a consequences for them.
		They've been able to get across very quickly, more so because they're in that state where they don't realize that they're actually doing it because it's the mental illness.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And on top of that, if it was an accident, then it really wasn't suicide.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Jeffrey Wands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Hi, Art.
		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
unidentified		Hey, my name is R.J., and I'm from Phoenix, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		My question to Mr. Jeffrey is I was told that a lot of people are gravitating towards the Arizona area from other places due to its spiritual energy.
unidentified		And my question is, the people that are drawn here to live, that have certain spiritual gifts, are their gifts going to heighten or will heighten?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how about backing up a little bit and asking Jeffrey if there are areas that are indeed more spiritual than others?
unidentified		Well, that's good.
		That's good.
		Yes.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I've come across certain areas.
		I've been to Hawaii.
		I was on the top of Haleaka, and I had like a really intense experience.
		I've had intense experiences in Mexico.
		I'm actually coming to Phoenix, actually, in a couple weeks for a book signing.
		So I really can't say to you with Arizona because I haven't experienced it yet.
		But there are definitely heightened places throughout the world where there are these, like, I would call them energy vortexes or, you know, connections where there is this deep spiritual energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Haleakala, actually.
		I work there, so I know it quite well.
		It is a very spiritual place.
		So there are, you don't know, then, that one place is necessarily more spiritual than another.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Hold it right there, Jeffrey.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		It's going so quickly, isn't it?
		Jeffrey Wands is my guest, and you might want to check out his book.
		That's always a good way to follow up if you're fascinated.
		It's called Another Door Opens.
		And I'm sure you can find it at Amazon.com or your favorite bookstore.
		From Manila, the Philippines, I'm Art Bell.
		That's The Highwayman, folks.
		And it's all about reincarnation.
		And we'll just let this roll to its conclusion.
		My guest is Jeffrey Wands.
		And regarding reincarnation, it seems to me that if you believe in life after death, then reincarnation, I don't know, it just makes all kinds of sense.
unidentified		The End How cool is this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody calling themselves LJ from Prump, Nevada.
		That's my hometown, as you all know.
		And no doubt, a listener to K-N-Y-E-F M95.1 asks two really good questions, Jeffrey, and they are, does our talking to our past loved ones prevent them from incarnating and reincarnating, I guess I ought to say?
		And when they incarnate, does that cut off our communication with them?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		It definitely doesn't hurt them in regards to the fact that we're not stopping them by speaking to them.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		And once they do reincarnate, yes, we don't hear them anymore.
unidentified		Ah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you mentioned that there was usually a lot of time that passes before they reincarnate or before anybody reincarnates, although I suppose that's not an ironclad rule.
		What do we know about the rules?
		But have you ever run into an instance where you tried to communicate to somebody and could not because, in fact, they reincarnated?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Twice.
		No kidding.
		I had one woman who had lost her sister very, very young.
		And what had happened was when this woman had her first child, the sister came back in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		That's a wow.
		All right.
		Let's go to the international line.
		You're on the air with Jeffrey Wands.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
		Hello, Jeff.
		Hey.
unidentified		Yes.
		Good morning to you both.
		I'm going to say big morning because I don't know what time it is in Manila or where you are, Jeff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it doesn't.
		Where are you, Jeff?
		I don't know.
		I'm in New York.
		You're in New York, that's right.
		I'm in Manila.
		In Manila, it's about, what, 4.41 or so in the afternoon.
		But it doesn't matter.
		Go ahead and ask your question.
unidentified		Okay, just a little ditty before I ask the question.
		When I was 15, I'm 37 years old right now.
		When I was 15, I went to visit my father in New York.
		And he took me to the World Trade Center.
		And we did go to the observation deck, but when I was standing in front of it, looking up at it and going, wow, this thing is really, really tall.
		He was telling me about some sway factor of buildings that it has because of wind and earthquakes and whatnot.
		And I thought to myself at that moment, wow, imagine if this thing tipped over and it crashed in on New York.
		And for me, it's just a coincidence that I would think something like that at the time, but I did think it, and I'll always remember thinking it.
		And it was a beautiful sight looking from the observation deck and just looking out across New York.
		My question for you, Jeff, is do you think that thought itself is manifested as a perceivable frequency or vibration like throwing a stone in a lake, which can be used by everyone to predict the future depending on their level of knowingness?
		And my second question is for you both.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a big one.
unidentified		Oh, sorry.
		Sorry.
		I didn't know that would be too much for you.
		Go ahead, Jeff.
		Jeff?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was going to say to you, you said, how old were you when you were there?
unidentified		15.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		So I always find to be that when you're dealing with younger people and you're dealing with the so-called psychic world, there are these, you know, what we say, there's less guards up from that point.
		And it's quite possible that your consciousness or your psychic side was picking up on the fact that that could happen and it was going to happen.
		So I would have to agree with you from the point of throwing the rock in the pond that that would be part of that ability to pick up things.
unidentified		On any time stream.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Right.
		Okay, my second question is really short and sweet.
		It's about the secret.
		Do you guys know what the secret is?
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I guess we don't.
unidentified		You know what?
		I think everybody truly knows, but I just watched a documentary on it which explains it further, and it's actually the law of attraction of the universe, which what you think is what you're manifested in your life.
		It becomes.
		So if you're a negative person, you're going to draw negative in your life.
		If you're a positive person, you're going to stay positive.
		But that is the significance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suppose that's kind of a general truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think, Jeffrey?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		I actually write about that in the book.
		I mean, you do have people that walk around waiting for a building to fall on them that are, you know, what we call the space grabbers or the negative ones.
		And they're the ones that, you know, overall is the ones that say, I don't have luck, I don't have this.
		And they are manifesting that bad energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The world has said what happened to all the psychics with regard to 9-11, which was one of the biggest things that's happened in our lifetimes, without any question, Jeffrey.
		What happened to all the psychics?
		Well, as a matter of fact, a couple of gals called the Psychic Twins did, on my program, predict the Twin Towers falling, the act of terrorism against the Twin Towers.
		And I don't know of many others that are documented.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Do you?
		I had heard some.
		I remember at the time I was doing a Sunday night radio show, and we had had people on, and I remember a couple of people saying that they had picked up on that so-called consciousness of a terrorism act or not necessarily the World Trade Center, but per se planes coming into a large building.
		So I think that's the one that I've seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it prior to the event or Prior to the event.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		But I do remember I actually heard that show with the twins on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you did?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's true enough, and it's the only one that I'm actually aware of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jeffrey Watts.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
unidentified		Okay.
		I have a question about you're saying that, you know, you can be punished for killing yourself.
		My question is...
		Oh, okay.
		Maybe I phrased that wrong, but I'm wondering if you feel like you're living a life that's the result of possibly killing yourself in a past life, if you were to do it again, would you keep treading water or would you not move forward?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because I felt...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I cut him off early, but we got the question anyway.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, I didn't say that you were being punished for that.
		But I mean, in my experiences from that standpoint, it's quite possible for people that have done it before to kind of be suicidal in this lifetime.
		It doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to manifest it again, but they would definitely have those tendencies.
		And they would bring stuff in that could be done through alcohol.
		It could be done through the fact that they develop a mental illness or go through that process of being open to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time caller line, your turn with Jeffrey Wands.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Hi, Eric.
		This is Bob calling from Rochester, New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Bob.
unidentified		Yes, my question for Jeff is I'm a 47-year-old male, and I suffer from manic depression, authentic compulsive disorder, and I also am a recovering drug addict.
		And in my past, I've been abused when I was younger, and I have abused others in my lifetime.
		Now, my question is, with all this guilt and torment that I still have and a lot of anger, what could possibly happen to my soul beyond the realms of death?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, I would say to you, just based on my experiences from that point, I mean, it would be repeating again.
		I mean, it sounds that I really feel for you that you'd be going through all these things.
		But in that aspect, if you move towards turning your life around and you move towards working through that, you've already been through hell and back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I certainly sympathize with that person very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, Wildcard line, you're on the air with Jeffrey Wands.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Am I talking?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're talking.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Judy from Addison Heights, Michigan.
		Hi.
		And I have a question for Jeff.
		How to deal with an out-of-body experience I've had.
		It was a three-way.
		Meaning, I was watching myself watch myself die.
		And after that, I have been able to see through mirrors, like three-way, like around.
		And I thought maybe everyone could, so I thought everyone's lying to me.
		And on the floor, I see also there's images of lions.
		And it's just not my imagination because when I go to my friend's house, they see lions, they see images of, and they don't want to speak with me or come around me because these things happen.
		My paintings, things change.
		It's not normal.
		I don't know what to do with...
		because they say in these voices, don't smoke, don't drink, read the Bible.
		So just the other day, I mean, I'll give it to my friend, and my friend will say, I don't want to hear it no more, Judy.
		Don't bring the ghosts here because when I come to their house, things happen.
		Doors slam, lights go out, and they're afraid.
		I'm not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you live in a completely psychic kind of happening world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jeffrey, I wonder how many people are in our mental institutions across America who hear voices, who are experiencing psychic phenomena, and have been diagnosed as mentally ill as a result of that and are not necessarily so?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think there's plenty.
		I mean, I did part of my degree was in hospital administration.
		And when I was in college, I actually did an internship in a mental hospital.
		And you can tell from that standpoint that some of these people are misdiagnosed.
		And, you know, also I find it to be, you know, you get some of the kids that have trouble with focusing.
		They are very much receptors.
		They are very much picking up different energies, which is causing some of the problems with the attention deficit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Exactly right.
		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jeffrey Wands.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, good morning.
unidentified		I was just wondering if our grief for our loved ones that have died can keep them enmeshed here.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		I mean, I tell people it's so, so important before you even get to anyone like myself, you have to go through a grief process.
		And until you've gone through that loss, I mean, the one great thing that I think that's really happened in the last, you know, 20 years or so, you have so many opportunities to go to groups.
		There are, you know, Forever Family.
		There are groups from hospitals and local organizations that help you deal with the grief process.
		And I tell people you have to go through an element of either talking to your priest or your rabbi or a counselor before you even get to that point because that will hold the, you know, the departed ones up.
unidentified		Will our, I guess, the intensity of our grief for them make it worse?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Not necessarily.
		It's the level of the grief, which is if in most cases, if you look when you do lose somebody, we kind of make it about us.
		We don't make it about the person that's passed because we're angry that we lost mom or we lost that element.
		And that's what makes it so difficult.
		So it's a process because usually it'll be the fact that I didn't get to the hospital in time or she died in her sleep and I didn't get a chance to say goodbye.
		Or I get a lot of stuff with people where it's survivor's guilt.
		And I had a lot of that from 9-11 with firefighters that went into the town or that worked for other firefighters, and the firefighters that were off, why didn't they die that day?
		You get into a whole thing, and that's where you hold up that whole grief process.
unidentified		I see.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, thank you very much for the call.
		It was actually a very good one.
		Let's move to, I don't know, the wildcard line in Florida.
		John, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes.
		A lot of people I know get upset about the Catholic and, I guess, other Christian churches teaching on suicide.
		I don't know, though, if they're familiar with all of it in that Catholic Church at least teaches that if a person's really genuinely crazy, like your guest was saying, they don't know what it is they're doing.
		That the reason suicide is wrong is because it's wrong to murder somebody, even yourself.
		And that if either you're crazy and don't know what you're doing, or if you're unaware that it's a sin, like the lady who just was so concerned about her family and the fact that her illness was bankrupting her family, well, she wasn't, her motivation wasn't, I don't like the situation I'm in, so I'm going to kill myself in order to leave.
		Her motive was altruistic.
		May not have been the wisest thing to do or whatever.
		But it wasn't a selfish or sinful motivation.
		And that in those cases, the Catholic Church teaches that if you're either ignorant it's a sin or just too crazy to know what you're doing, then you would not go to hell because you're not committing a sin.
		And it sounds like that meshes, of course, Christian churches generally, including Catholic, don't teach reincarnation.
		But it sounds like other than that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said hell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there, in your opinion, Jeffrey, is there hell?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I think there's a form of hell in the spirit world, which is the area of where the soul gets caught between this world and the afterlife.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That makes this question valid, then.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So I think that's where it comes.
		But I try not to like, you know, religion is a very personal thing, and you have to kind of go beyond the box sometimes.
		And I think people don't do that because, you know, we're taught one belief system, if it's Catholicism or Judaism, and we don't look at the bigger picture, which is the idea of the fact, like what I was talking about before with the woman who had the ALS who decided to do that.
		But in essence, you know, that was a kindly act because of the fact that she was trying to help her family.
		She wasn't doing it, you know, with the intent to hurt anybody.
		She was doing it because it was destroying her family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, but the teaching of the church, as the caller, I think, was saying, is not exactly elastic about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It says suicide is murder and you go to hell.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Agreed, but that's unfortunately written and you're supposed to believe what the church is telling you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything else, Colin?
unidentified		Well, actually, what I think you may have misunderstood.
		The church's teaching is more elastic than most people realize.
		In fact if you are not aware of what you're doing, then it's not a sin and you don't go to hell, either because you're crazy or because you're ignorant and just trying to do something kindly like the woman with ALF.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm just not familiar with that teaching.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where is that written?
unidentified		If you look into Catechism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I haven't.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		I haven't either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've never heard that before, so that's a new one on me.
unidentified		Well, see, a lot of people will point out the teaching, but the thing is, they don't study it more.
		And for people, I suppose, on the one hand, if this encourages somebody to commit suicide, it's a bad thing for me to mention it.
		But a lot of people out there experience a lot of grief and fear after a loved one dies.
		That does not necessarily apply.
		And so that's why I thought I should mention it, especially since it sounds like that's very much what you found when you've been communicating with people who have died.
		That's the ones who did it out of spite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does sound like that's exactly what Jeffrey's found.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Very much so.
		And I was just actually, when you were saying that, I was just thinking of another instance that I had.
		I had an elderly gentleman that was married to his wife for 62 years.
		He went out to get milk, and the wife had a massive heart attack and died.
		And he had this terrible grief process with this because he wasn't there, and he thought he could call the ambulance, and he ended up taking his own life in the garage, you know, from the point of starting the car and letting the carbon monoxide get to him.
		And the family was extremely upset.
		They were very Catholic, and they were extremely upset because he killed himself that he wasn't going to get there.
		And, you know, that's a perfect example, like what your caller was saying about how you interpret, you know, what's written.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Listen, we're at the end of this episode, Jeffrey.
		Another door opens is your book.
		How long has it been out now?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		It's just been out actually about three weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, let's hope this kicks it right in the tail end and it does really well.
		If you're interested in what Jeffrey's had to say tonight and you want to follow up on it, Another Door Opens is his book, and I suppose that door is available on Amazon.com, right?
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		There you go.
		Jeffrey, it's been an absolute pleasure having you on the air.
		It's been a wonderful show.
		Thank you, my friend, and we'll do it again sometime.
jeffrey wands ▲ ● ▼		And thank you, and good luck with your new edition.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Jeffrey.
		All right, folks.
		That's it.
		What a wonderful show it's been.
		I will see you tomorrow night.
		It's going to be a very interesting night with Dr. Doug Beaton and America's Directed Energy Weapons.
		From Manila in the Philippines, I'm Mark Bill.

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