Art Bell, broadcasting from Manila amid a typhoon’s 76 deaths and power outages, reveals his surprise pregnancy with wife Erin while Jeffrey Wands explores the "soul map," linking suffering to purpose—like Bell’s own life cycle of success and tragedy. Wands describes near-death visions, spirit visitations within 30 days (often as dreams), and animals’ psychic awareness, including his Golden Retriever’s pre-surgery appearances, debunking shadow people as unresolved grief rather than evil. Symbolic dreams, like a woman’s horse’s leg movements or Bell’s earwax scissors vision, require context; Wands suggests meditation and psychometry for clarity. Reincarnation timelines vary, but intent—even in suicide—shapes afterlife consequences, with karma persisting beyond death. [Automatically generated summary]
Southeast Asia, the other side of the world, from certainly the majority of all of you, the capital city of the Philippines, Manila.
Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whatever it may be, wherever you are.
I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM, the largest program of its sort in the world.
It is my pleasure and honor to be escorting you through the weekend, and it will be a weekend full of surprises.
That's for sure.
And I'm going to begin with one right at the top of the program.
The webcam shot tonight, that's Arts Webcam.
You'll see it listed in the upper left-hand side of the CoastCoastAM.com website.
It says Arts Webcam.
Just click on that.
If it has gone through properly, you will see a picture of Erin, that's my wife, in Hong Kong.
And we were in Hong Kong the week of the 13th of September.
Now, that's an interesting date for a number of reasons.
Primarily, I would say, because that's when Aaron got pregnant.
I just, here's the way it went, folks.
Yeah, I'm going to be a daddy.
Last week, literally, as I walked out of the studio after the show, this was all very early and very much a surprise.
Let me start, go back a week prior to that.
We had some suspicions that it could or might or was hoped to be true.
And so we went out and got a test, you know, one of those pregnancy tests that you get here in the Philippines.
No, you wouldn't know about those, would you?
I guess the same.
They're called Be Sure Here.
And it's a little thing where you, you know, add a little bit of urine to the test, and then you either get one line, which means you're not pregnant, or you get two lines, which means you're pregnant.
Well, the week previous, we had tried the test, and we had only one line, and we said, nope.
And that was that.
Well, another week went by and nothing happened.
So when I was doing my program last week, at the same time last week, on Sunday, actually, Monday here, I'm sorry, Monday here, Sunday there.
I'll get that straight.
She went out and purchased two more of those little kits.
And lo and behold, two little lines magically appeared.
And when I got off the air and showed me the two little lines, and I jumped up and down, and we all jumped up and down, and probably not a good thing to do.
And so there you have it.
I'm going to be a dad.
And if it's a girl, her name will be, I mean, this one's definitely made in Hong Kong.
There is no question about it to be specific, either on the 12th or the 14th.
So we picked the 13th as the most likely day.
And it's very early.
And she actually had a little bit of a problem.
So I rushed her over to the Manila Medical Center here, and they did an ultrasound.
And she's been taking it easy ever since then.
But they can actually, even that early, they can show you a picture of your baby.
So I have an ultrasound picture of our baby.
It's amazing.
Absolutely amazing.
There's nothing short of, I mean, to stand there and watch a monitor and to watch life begin is the most astounding thing I think I've ever seen in my whole life.
Just astounding.
Astounding.
You know, there aren't words for it.
So definitely made in Hong Kong.
And if it's girl, her name will be Asia.
If it's boy, we've not yet decided.
But there you have it.
There goes life.
In more ways than one, huh?
All right.
We'll take a quick look at the news.
And it's kind of interesting.
Most of the world news tonight is kind of interesting.
Dozens of Amish neighbors came out Saturday to mourn the quiet milkman who killed five of their young girls and wounded five more in a brief, unfathomable rage.
Charles Carl Roberts IV, 32, was buried in his wife's family plot behind a small Methodist church a few miles from a one-room schoolhouse where he stormed Monday.
Stormed it and just shot these people.
And only the Amish can be that forgiving in my mind to turn out for a funeral for him.
The House's investigation of a page sex scandal has only one certainty.
Former Republican Mark Foley will escape punishment by his peers.
It is the Florida Republican sexually explicit electronic messages to teenage former male pages that have ignited what has become a pre-election firestorm.
And this has all the feeling of history repeating itself.
What is it about pages that make them so damned irresistible to politicians?
I'll end it right there.
And then this.
And this one worries me because I'm a little closer than you all are.
Japan warns North Korea on nuclear tests.
Tensions mounted over North Korea's threat to test its first atomic bomb.
This is close, folks, with shots ringing out Saturday along the border with South Korea and Japan warning of harsh sanctions if they go nuclear, with a possible test expected as early as Sunday.
My God, it is Sunday here now in this part of the world.
The UN Security Council issued a stern statement Friday urging the country to abandon its nuclear ambitions and warning of unspecified consequences if the isolated communist regime does not comply.
And the question is, obviously, if they let one off, if they set off a nuclear device, what should we, if anything, do about it?
I really am curious what a lot of you in the U.S. think that the U.S. and Or anybody else, including Japan and anybody else perhaps in the Far East here, ought to do about it.
But that's scary as hell.
In fact, actually, I've got a second story on it here, which I guess I ought to pay a little bit of attention to.
This goes back to an Ed Dames' prediction, really.
But North Korea is without question getting ready to conduct a nuclear test.
The foreign ministry said as much in a statement.
The move would bolster the country's self-defense in the face of U.S. military hostility.
That's the exact words of North Korea's KCNA agency.
North Korea will, in the future, conduct a nuclear test under the condition where safety is firmly guaranteed.
Pyongyang has come under mounting pressure over its nuclear program.
Six nation talks on its plans have been stalled for nearly a year now.
And the U.S. has imposed financial sanctions on North Korean businesses.
North Korea is believed to have a handful now of nuclear weapons, but is not known, key phrase, to have tested one yet.
The statement from Pyongyang said the U.S. daily increasing threat of a nuclear war and its vicious sanctions and pressure have caused a grave situation on the Korean Peninsula.
The ministry went on to say that under the present situation in which U.S. moves to isolate and stifle North Korea, the country can no longer remain an onlooker to the developments.
So believe me, in Asia, we're watching this, as I'm sure you are, very, very carefully.
Spraying the bubbles from sparkling wine across the enormous gray bow of the USS H.W. Bush, the Bush family on Saturday christened the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier named after the 82-year-old former president.
I know you join me in saying to our father, President Bush, your ship has come in, the current president said during a ceremony for the last of the Nimitz-class carriers, the CVN-77.
Thousands of Iraqi troops launched a crackdown in Kirkuk on Saturday, ordering residents to stay in their houses in an effort to put down violence.
It swelled in the north amid efforts to rein in bloodshed in Baghdad.
Elsewhere in the north, a suicide bomber rammed a police checkpoint with an explosives-packed car.
That killed 14 in the town of Tal Afar.
It was the deadliest attack in a day that saw 26 Iraqis killed across the country.
Well, as you know, we're putting up a new wall across the southern border, at least part of it, in Mexico, or this side of Mexico.
Rising from the Pacific surf and zigzagging across the border for 14 miles, Tijuana's border fence has done very little but push illegal immigrants into the Arizona desert and feed the smuggling industry since it went up in 1994.
Today, as the U.S. prepares to build a high-tech barrier with get this 700 miles of extra fencing, motion detectors, and remote control devices, smugglers are already figuring out how to beat the new security.
The man, the journalist, actually, who chronicled Russian military abuses against civilians in Chechnya, garnering awards and accolades from around the world, has been found shot to death Saturday in her apartment building.
So, there you have it.
You remember Star Trek, of course.
The Star Trek ship has fetched a price of $500,000.
Starfleet Captain Jean-Luc Picard commanded it, of course.
Now SimTreki owns it.
A model of the Starship Enterprise used in the pilot and title sequence of Star Trek The Next Generation Sold for get this?
$576,000 Saturday at an auction of costumes, sets, and props from 40 years of the Star Trek sci-fi franchise.
Can you imagine that?
In a moment, we'll talk about yet another October surprise.
Well, October traditionally has always been full of surprises for all of us, hasn't it?
According to the Russian astronomer Nikolai Ferdorsky, now bear in mind, this may not be true, but there is this Russian astronomer named Nikolai Ferdorsky.
A giant comet flying at top speed, says he, is bound for us, Earth.
Should the comet stay on the collision course, it may hit the planet, he says, in late October.
The impact will cause devastating tsunamis, earthquakes, and avalanches, says Ferdowski.
He saw the killer comet in a telescope two weeks ago, says he.
He managed to calculate the comet's trajectory.
We got in touch.
Now, this is, of course, from a Russian newspaper, Pravda.
We got in touch with Nikolai Ferdowski.
He said just a few people are aware of the fact that comets various sizes fly past Earth at a very close distance and on a regular basis, he said.
Those comets usually pass by unnoticed.
The above circumstance is not a guarantee against disaster by any means.
The Tunguska meteorite landed in the wilderness of Siberia.
What if it had plunged into the center of Europe or somewhere in the ocean?
Well, anyway, that would certainly be a gigantic surprise.
A lot of people have asked about various customs and culture here in the Philippines, and I was sent this this week by a British journalist who was stationed in the Philippines.
It was actually written back in 1999, but it applies equally well today.
It's by Matthew Sutherland, and he says, I have now been in this country for over six years.
I consider myself in most respects well assimilated here in the Philippines.
However, there is one key step on the road to full assimilation which I have yet to take, and that is to eat balut.
The day any of you sees me eating balut, please call immigration and ask them to issue me a Filipino passport because at that point there will be no turning back.
Balut, for those of you still blissfully ignorant, non-Pinois out there, is a fertilized duck egg.
It is commonly sold with salt in a piece of newspaper, much like English fish and chips by street vendors, usually after dark, presumably, so that you can't see how gross it is.
It's meant to be an aphrodisiac, although I cannot imagine anything more likely to dispel sexual desire than crunching on a partially formed baby duck swimming in noxious fluid.
The embryo in the egg comes in varying stages of development, but basically it is not considered macho to eat one without fully discernible feathers, beak, and claws.
Some say these crunchy bits are the best.
Others prefer just to drink the so-called soup, the vile pungent liquid that surrounds the aforementioned feathery fetus.
Excuse me, I've got to go throw up now.
I'll be back in a few moments.
He comments on a...
Of course, a lot of the food here is absolutely wonderful, but there are some things that...
If it's weird food you want, I suggest you avoid the following, though.
In addition to duck fetus in the half shell, items to avoid in the Philippines include pig's blood soup, as well as bull's testicle soup, the strangely named soup number five.
I dread to think what numbers one through four might be, and the ubiquitous stinky shrimp paste.
And it goes on and on.
Filipinos are so addicted to these latter items that they will even risk arrest or deportation, trying to smuggle them into countries like Australia and the United States, which wisely ban the importation of items you can smell from more than 100 paces.
Now, I was told when I read this laughing to Aaron some days ago that I had already tried pig's blood soup.
Now, I was blissfully unaware of the fact that I had tried it, and I guess I didn't listen carefully to what it was.
I listened to the Filipino name and said, hmm, pretty good.
So I had no idea.
And then he goes on, another good thing to look at here in the Philippines, and I've noticed this right away, are the names given to people here in the Philippines.
A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, Proverbs 22, 1.
When I arrived in the Philippines from the U.K. six years ago, one of the first cultural differences to strike me was names.
The subject rather has provided a continuing source of amazement and amusement ever since.
The first unusual thing from an English perspective is that everyone here has a nickname.
In the staid and boring United Kingdom, we have nicknames in kindergarten.
But when we move into adulthood, well, we tend, I'm glad to say, to lose them.
The second thing that struck me is that Philippine names for both girls and boys tend to be what we in the UK would regard as overbearingly cutesy for anyone over about five.
55-year-old colleagues put it this way, when I come from a boy with a nickname like Blue Boy or Honey Boy, well, you'd be beaten to death at school by pre-adolescent bullies and never make it to adulthood at all.
So probably would girls with names like Babes, Lovey, Precious, Peachy, Apples, and on and on.
Here, however, no one bats an eyelid.
Then I noticed how many people have what I have come to call doorbell names.
These are nicknames that sound like, well, doorbells.
There are millions of them.
Bing, bong, bing, and dong are some of the more common.
They can be and frequently are even used even more doorbell-like combinations such as bing bong, ding-dong, ting, ting, and so forth.
Even our newly appointed chief of police has a doorbell name, ping.
None of these doorbell names exist where I come from, and hence sound unusually amusing to my untutored foreign ear.
Someone once told me that one of the Bings was asked why he was called Bing and replied, because my brother is called Bong.
Faultless logic.
Dong, of course, is a particularly funny one for me, as whereas I come from, don't is a slang word, well, for.
Repeating names was another novelty to me, having never before encountered people with names like Lenlen, Letlet, my my, Ningning, Lingling.
The secretary I inherited on my arrival had an unusual one, Leklek.
Such names are frequently referred to and refined by using the squared symbol, as in Len Tu or Mai Tu.
This had me very confused for a while.
There's a trend for parents to stick to a theme when naming their children.
This can be as simple as making them all begin with the same letter, as June, Jimmy, Janice, and Joy.
More imaginative are parents who shoot for more sophisticated forms of rhyme, as in B-boy, Baboy, Boo-boy, Bay-boy.
He goes on and on.
Ah, yes.
And then, of course, if you're driving one of these Jeeps over here, you're going to find the name painted right across the taxi.
And that's something he noticed as he came to Manila.
So there's a little bit of a taste of what's strange over here.
Now, when I first met Erin, when I came down here to the Philippines, the first time, she chose to, for whatever purpose, go and get one of these duck eggs and eat it right in front of me.
She's never done it since, and I refused to kiss her for about an hour afterward.
But the Balut is, actually, I think it was used on Fear Factor.
When Fear Factor came here to the Philippines, I believe that Balut was one of the things that sent you on your way toward earning $50,000 U.S. dollars.
I think that was a prize at the time.
And It just utterly offends American taste buds and sensibilities and everything else.
In addition to that, there is, of course, dog.
Now, I questioned her very carefully about that, and she said, No, I have not eaten dogs since I was in grade school.
And I said, Well, thank you very much.
So they do.
It is indeed done over here.
A dog is eaten, and I have no idea why, but she's past that one.
But not Balut.
In fact, since the pregnancy, she has said Balut two or three times.
Now, she sees me cringe every time that name is even mentioned, as you can, as you can.
I can't even imagine beaks and claws and feathers and crunchy things.
Oh, my God.
But yes, you know, it's a different part of the world with different customs, and what can I say?
We're kind of in a land that time forgot, as the song says.
Well, all right, it's going to be a fascinating show coming up.
Somebody who wrote a book called Another Door Opens.
Somebody is Jeffrey Wands who will be talking about the psychic you, how to become a little more psychic and develop what you have naturally inside.
From Manila, I'm Art Bell.
Life really is quite a ride, isn't it?
An absolute ride.
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, whatever it is, wherever you are.
And we cover most of the time zones and most of the situations that might be involved.
So I always try and include all the greetings.
At any rate, we have an awful lot of lines to answer.
A lot of people want to say something or another.
So that coming up, open lines, as it were, in a moment.
Deanna in Jamestown, California says, Hey, Art.
I wanted to wish you and your beloved huge congratulations to you both.
I couldn't help but think about the cycle of life.
Given the loss of your dearest Ramona and the deeper meaning of you now being an expectant father, with every death there is a life.
Yeah, the cycle of life is really, really something to contemplate, isn't it?
Let's do as we said we would do and go to the lines.
Wildcard line, you are on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi, all right.
I just wanted to call and congratulate you.
And this is a blessing from God, honey.
You have helped so many people, and you've touched so many lives.
And, you know, the way this all happened, there's no coincidences in life.
I was just going to add that the rotten, stinking letter that somebody wrote, that Filipino hate letter, of course, has made things a little difficult for me here.
They tend to murder journalists a lot over here.
And so it's a little uncomfortable from that perspective.
Otherwise, I love it here.
unidentified
But what I was going to try, I was really worried about, once they've got the family, come with the baby, that wouldn't it be more swayed towards more moving back to America now after this?
I mean, if you see, a lot of people don't know the history of this.
Some jerk, according to the FBI, went into the University of California at San Diego, went to the library there where they don't monitor or did not at that time monitor who used their computers.
This was years ago now.
And wrote this hate letter against Filipino people and signed my name to it.
Now, my dearly departed wife was half Filipino, and so that probably was the motivation for whoever did it, doing it.
But now that I'm here in the Philippines, of course, it's kind of dangerous.
Well, it is nothing short of, I'm glad you did say hello, and it's nothing short of amazing that we have the ability to actually do a radio program from one side of the world to the other.
Only a company as big as Clear Channel would have the facilities and the oomph and everything it takes to get something like that done.
To be able to broadcast from one side of the world to the other is, you know, just absolutely, even to me, just simply amazing.
Going back to the first time caller line, you're on the air.
Matt, I think from California.
unidentified
Yes, Art.
I was just wanting to call and talk about the North Korean situation and offer you a little bit of perspective.
You know, I happen to be the head of the Global Nuclear Disarmament Fund.
Pardon the background noise here.
So I know a little bit about the situation.
The thing with the North Korean, and I also was raised in Japan, by the way, near Hiroshima.
So I have a very unique perspective, and I can understand your feeling of being very close there.
The problem is with North Korea, India, and Pakistan, is that the United States has not been exactly a very good leader of example in terms of non-proliferation issues.
And the United Nations non-proliferation treaty review process has become completely inept and dysfunctional.
That's why Pakistan and India progressed into the nuclear age.
And the North Korean perspective, where it's come out that we have told the leader of Pakistan that we would blow him off the face or what is it, bomb him back to the Stone Age if they didn't cooperate.
And the recent comment from one of the senators saying that North Korea can either have a future or have nuclear weapons, but not both.
It's this type of rhetoric that obviously with an isolationist country like North Korea and an insecure leader that they have, they feel that they have no choice other than to join the Nuclear Weapons Club.
That's the problem, Mark, as you have well identified.
I think, however, that more scary than that is the Japanese response, that the Japanese government is trying to use this as an excuse to actually build their own nuclear weapons and to remilitarize.
And I think this is a much bigger threat to the region, the regional stability, than actually a potential U.S. response, which is quite unlikely at this point.
You could say that a nuclear Japan would destabilize the region, but how could it destabilize it any further than North Korea, one of the few remaining communist, hardline communist countries having a nuclear weapon?
Maybe Japan having nukes would stabilize the region.
unidentified
Yeah, actually, you know, unfortunately, because of the history of Japan's militarized past, it still is very, very raw with Koreans, with Taiwanese, and with Chinese, and even with, you know, Southeast Asian countries.
And so to have Japan remilitarize would China wouldn't sit still for that for one thing, and they already have probably about 450 or so nuclear weapons.
And there's going to be a very big problem.
It's not something that the other countries would sit still for.
How we're going to stop all this, sir, I have no idea.
I mean, whether man can prevent his own demise or not, I think is very much an open question.
And it's going to, you know, the bomb is going to continue to proliferate until just about everybody finally has it.
And eventually, if we don't, if there's not some major white light that descends and changes all of our brains into these peaceful, wonderful people, we're doomed.
unidentified
Well, you know, you're right.
But what it is, Art, is there needs to be a shift from the government being solely in charge of nuclear proliferation issues to the people having a say in this, which we have never had before.
And if you look at the Global Nuclear Disarmament Fund website, we have recently signed the first treaty with Moscow by an NGO and a government whereby public participation in dismantling nuclear weapons that should have been dismantled under the NPT treaty is actually now a reality.
Because it only costs $100,000 to dismantle a nuclear weapon, you know, the average SS-24 or SS-N18 or, you know, one of those ICBM-class missiles.
We've never had the ability to participate, and now all that's going to change.
And until the public gets the opportunity to really have a say in this issue, you're absolutely right.
It's going to continue to proliferate, and there's very little hope for humanity like Einstein and Joseph Rotblat put in their letter to President Truman in 1945.
I think it was something about, I don't know, Einstein say that he had no idea how World War III would be fought, but he was certain that World War IV would be fought with sticks and stones.
I mean, my God, look back at what happened in 1962 when the Russians decided they were going to put short and medium-range ballistic missiles armed with nukes in Cuba, aimed at us, what, 90 miles away?
Right.
So understand how the Japanese feel.
unidentified
That's right.
And so I think this new leader, though, is taking the right move.
And I don't think that Japan is necessarily interested in trying to create more of an arms race over there by nuclearizing itself.
It may want to militarize itself.
And I think we should be a little bit concerned about this new leader.
He does represent a nationalist movement over there.
But to say that Japan is out to have nuclear weapons, I don't think so.
I believe the Japanese, I mean remember, they're the one nation that has suffered at this other than like people in Bikini Atoll.
I mean, they understand the impact.
And I don't think that that's what they're up about to backdoor away to have a reason to put nukes on their soil.
But real quick, before you run out of time, I just want to tell you why I called.
I first started listening to you.
I lived over in the part of the world you are in, in Guam.
I lived there for about 10 years, which is only about a four-hour flight from the Philippines.
But as far as I know, never in the history of radio has a regularly scheduled long-form talk show of any kind been done from one side of the world to the other.
Now, somebody may correct me on this, and I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
I think that we absolutely are breaking new ground here.
Never in the history of radio has a long-form talk radio program been done on a regularly scheduled basis from one side of the world to the other.
Now, if I'm wrong about that, y'all let me know.
Wild Carline, you're on here.
Hi.
unidentified
Hello, Art.
Wow.
Hello.
Every time we hear you on the radio, there's something new and interesting going on in your life.
In some cases, I would agree with you, but there are different elements of the map where I call the GPS changes because we kind of go through a different longitude and latitude.
And I use Bill Gates as an example, but there's other examples that I know of and I could think of where people have gone through things that are not on the magnitude of Bill Gates, but end up absolutely fulfilling their sole purpose.
Well, I mentioned in the first hour, I've gone through some of the biggest mountains of happiness and the biggest valleys of tragedy you can possibly imagine.
And so I don't know.
I often wonder whether that's all preordained and we're supposed to trudge through these, as Ramona told me, and play out the hand we're dealt, or whether free will enters into all of this someplace or another, that old bitch of free will.
I mean, people will ask me, and I talk about it in the book, the idea, which is jumping ahead a little bit, but the idea when you have somebody that all of a sudden goes out in their life and, you know, passes on, was that like a predestined thing?
And usually in the experiences I've had, that person will give you an indication or give you an aspect of knowing that it's, you know, it's their time and they're supposed to be going.
I think that's where that part comes in with the soul map.
I have frequently said and been told by many guests that reincarnation was at one time a part of the Bible and that it was deleted at the Council of Nicaea.
I would say to you that I really believe it's always been there, and I would say to you I would have to agree with that.
I think it's part of what's there, and I think, unfortunately, what happens is people want you to believe what they want you to believe, and they're not always open-minded in that sense.
And I think that that was something that they just couldn't accept.
But there's no doubt in my experiences that you see souls, they come in, you can tell who's an old soul, who's a young soul.
And a good example is like what you were talking about, what you went through.
Okay, there's a reason, soul-wise, where we go through this.
You went through all these tough experiences, okay?
And then you brought all this happiness in now.
So it's like you went the full gamut or the full circle to get to that point.
So I really believe in my experiences and what I've come to learn through the spirit world is the factor that the spirits play a role in that, and that's where the reincarnation line comes in, and that's where we really learn to understand our potential and our purpose.
And in recent weeks, I've had guests on who have said, I mean, it's always bothered me, Jeffrey, that what in the heck is reincarnation good for if you cannot consciously remember any of the triumphs or mistakes or tragedies from a previous life?
But people have said, no, no, no, nobody could stand that consciously.
I mean, there are no accidents in the things that I've seen from the point that you are guided.
I think that you do these little bumps along the way sometimes where you kind of, I don't want to say sabotage yourself, but you stop yourself from reaching where you're supposed to be.
I had put examples of things I came across.
I had this very well-known actress who constantly, in the beginning, was in her way, in her way, in her way.
And every time she was close to stardom, you know, she would crash.
And then finally, she achieved where she was supposed to be.
But it was a constant struggle from the point, though, anything that could go wrong, you know, did go wrong.
Is there a way in this current conscious life that we have of taking a look at the soul path, of, in other words, understanding where your life is going to go?
I think what happens with some people is they may start out in one direction where I'm trying to think of a good example.
Probably a good example I would be is I had a lot of people, unfortunately, that went through the whole 9-11 experience, you know, and living in New York and dealing with some of the families.
And I saw, you know, firsthand with some of the people that I dealt with where their lives were terribly altered by this event.
And they were able to, you know, change their total path and, you know, turn it around.
One ended up being in public office.
You know, one did all this charity stuff and really made a difference.
And, you know, all these different things evolved from this, which was a horrible, horrible thing.
And I think what will happen sometimes is that that's where we get into the idea of what you're working out before, where you get these people that go through these horrible, horrible things in this lifetime.
And then they're able to overcome it and, you know, get to a higher level as far as success.
And if you look at most, I would say, successful people or people that I've come in contact with who have changed their life through tragedy.
I mean, I'll never forget this.
I had this lovely woman who lost three sons.
And on top of that, I'm going to talk about a triple whammy.
She lost most of her family in the Holocaust.
And I mean, I would know, you know what it's like.
You have kids.
And to go through an experience, to even think about losing three kids.
And she lost three kids in a row.
They were all, unfortunately, hemophiliacs.
And that was before they tested blood.
And they all ended up dying, you know, from being HIV.
Okay, well, here's an obvious question, and that is these tragedies, these horrible things that come along in the middle of a good life and just absolutely bring an axe down in the middle of your life.
Is there any way, in your opinion, to alter the probability of these things or change the probability of these things from happening?
So, I mean, that would be something like I would use as far as altering tragedy because the doctor said to him that if he didn't go, he would have passed in, who knows, Maybe three weeks, a month, two months, whatever.
I was probably about six years old at the time, and I had gotten in trouble.
And I was looking at my mom, and I remember sitting in the room, and I was in the living room.
My mother was going into this whole thing about what I did and what I shouldn't have done.
And I looked at my mother very candidly and said to my mother, by the way, your grandmother is standing in the room, and she's telling me you did this, this, and this when you were my age.
Why are you punishing me?
You didn't get punished.
And she just looked at me like with a real profound, more, you know, profound look and kind of looked at me and just ignored it.
And, of course, I ended up getting in trouble.
It didn't do me any good.
But that was like the instance where it started.
And all through childhood, I had all these different instances where, you know, you talk about imaginary friends.
I remember when I was about 11, my next-door neighbor at the time was a huge, huge car enthusiast.
And I remember standing outside with him, and he was working on the car, and I looked at him, and I'm like, you know, there's something wrong with your transmission.
And he looked at me.
He's like, what are you talking about?
And sure enough, like, three days later, his whole transmission blew.
And he thought I did something to it.
And I remember him knocking on the door, yelling at me.
And I had like little instances of that, you know, growing up.
Psychics, for example, frequently work with police departments.
And police departments rarely admit it, although sometimes, that they will call a psychic at a desperate moment in a case that they're trying to solve.
And I've always wondered if a psychic goes to the police with some information that turns out to be true, doesn't that psychic run the risk of being accused of being part of the crime?
I was working on an arson case, and I must have been at the time, probably going back about 15 years ago, and I was sitting with this family, and the family had hired me and wanted me to come in to help on this case.
And I met with the detective.
It was an old, you know, kind of staunchy Irish detective.
And he looks at me and he hands me an envelope, and he goes, here, this is a clue for the case.
And I hand it back to him, and I'm like, this is your shopping list.
Make sure you get the bread, the eggs, and the butter your wife wants.
And, you know, you deal with stuff like that.
But I remember, you know, by the time we had gotten done with this, it ended up being the fact that the person that actually asked me to get involved with this was the person that ended up being the person who caused the fire.
Yeah, I would say the funniest thing that I ever saw on that show was the fact, I think it was an early episode where she was working, I guess, with the Texas Rangers on a case.
And, you know, I always tell people all the time that's the human element of what we do because our emotions sometimes block the most obvious event.
Like, she could pick out the fact of, you know, who the person was, who killed who, and in relationship to that, you know, miss the most important thing, the fact that you've got a hurricane coming.
Well, I'm not going to, I'm sure it's been out there, but it's just something that impressed me, which I consider to be a very good term to use for people's purposes.
Jeffrey Wands is my guest, and he's obviously a psychic.
Tragedy.
It's a part of many, many of our lives, all right?
And how it affects our souls, and if you will, our soul maps.
I find that absolutely fascinating.
Success and tragedy, they seem to go hand in hand.
From Manila, I'm Art Bell.
Yes, indeed.
Here I am.
Data Dude, that's the name he gives himself from Houston, Texas, says, hey, Art, with your announcement of the new addition to the family tonight, I cannot help but remember something to that effect having been predicted on your predictions for 2006 show at the end of last year.
Better keep track of that guy.
Congrats.
Oh, you know, data dude.
My God, I seem to remember it too.
I do.
I remember that.
Oh, God.
The predictions from last year's New Year's Eve show and the couple of days prior to or so.
We always do predictions between Christmas and New Year's.
By the way, I'll be doing it this year, too.
Didn't make it to the Philippines.
They're still back in America somewhere.
However, I understand they're listening to that program and documenting them for me.
So we will have them this year.
And I really do remember something like that.
Anyway, Jeffrey, I've got more to say about tragedy, a lot more to say about tragedy, and I suspect Jeffrey will have a response to it in a moment.
You know, I'm 61 years old now, and so when you get to be that age, and in and around this age, you begin to do your own little life review.
It's inevitable when a lot of you get to be this age, if you're that lucky, why it'll happen to you.
And I'm sure I'm talking to people who are significantly older than I am, and they certainly know what I'm talking about.
Well, let me tell you, just before I bring Jeffrey back, my life has been one strange ride, really a strange ride.
I never sought success.
I never, I wasn't one of those people who, I want to be a star, I want to be a star, none of that baloney for me.
I just absolutely fell in love with radio.
I just fell in love with radio and I followed that path, not to seek money or fame or any of that, just because I absolutely loved, I just loved what I was doing.
However, after the success came and I began doing very well, a series, as you know, those of you who have followed my life, there has been a series of large, giant successes.
I mean, it couldn't get any better.
A syndicated radio program that still exists, 15 going on 20 years later, several books that I've written, two that were on bestseller lists, one that was turned into a movie.
I mean, just, you know, one gigantic, wonderful thing after another.
But interspersed in the middle of all that were these incredible tragedies that have occurred in my life.
And I won't detail those.
Most of you know what a lot of them have been.
And just terrible tragedy.
And it actually got to the point for both Ramona and myself that when things got going too good, too well, if you will, we just got to the point where we waited for the other shoe to drop, knowing inevitably that the other shoe was going to drop.
It's proof in the pudding, as I always say, from the point of the fact that, yes, you went through these terrible things, okay, but I definitely, and I've talked to this with people, I find it to be when people do move on and, you know, you went through a terrible thing in losing your wife, they have an effect on us in the sense that they direct us from where they've gone where your wife, you know, was making sure that you got another part of your life back.
There is no doubt in my mind and my experiences that they do.
But we, in the soul capacity, have that ability to overcome, and we end up doing it.
So when you look at everything that you've been through and you look at the journey that you've taken, you know, now you've come to a different point where you're coming to a different point of peacefulness.
Well, we do have a tendency sometimes to put that energy out because it's the fear and it's also the fact that, you know, you're a public figure and you have to look at it.
It was interesting because I had heard one of the callers earlier saying about the fact that with you on the radio, it's like listening to family.
And in essence, that's what you do because you're healing a lot of people by what you do.
They usually will give me something I can relate to.
I'll give You a perfect example.
Here in New York, about two weeks ago, we did a breast cancer fundraiser.
The station and I'm at, we're very big into raising money for breast cancer since we have one of the highest incidents in the United States in the area that I live.
And it was kind of interesting.
I'm doing an audience of 500 people and I'm out in the audience, and all of a sudden, I hear the honeymooners theme in my head.
I'm saying to myself, does that mean I have Jackie Gleason coming through?
And I go up to this gentleman, and I stand right in front of him, and it was because of the fact he was a bus driver, and his dad was a bus driver.
And they were using it in that way, so I would identify with what this gentleman did, because his dad was using it to come through in that way.
How do you identify, particularly when you're not seeing a dead person, how do you identify the fact that you are, in fact, getting some message from the afterlife as opposed to just, you know, I mean, we all have random thoughts and things that occur to us, coincidences, all this that goes through our brain.
How do you know when you're getting something from the other side versus just something, you know, random neurons firing?
In my experiences, when I've done stuff, they'll be very specific.
They'll say, this is so-and-so.
He passed this way.
They'll say, you know, who they're with, the different people that come through in that way.
And they're pretty specific usually.
I mean, probably a good example, when you were talking before about like a crime scene, and when you're talking about how psychics, you know, do stuff with crimes or, you know, murders and things like that, what I do periodically is I do the Maury show.
And when I do the Maury show, we do stuff on missing kids, and they will take me to the area where the child disappeared.
And I'm able to kind of retrace where that child was taken or abducted or murdered, God forbid.
And I'm able to do that because it's a lingering energy.
It's a residual energy.
And in a lot of cases, if the person has been murdered, that soul is still going to be around.
Okay, well, that's kind of where my next question was going.
You said a lingering energy.
Yes.
Jeffrey, in your opinion, is what you receive from the other side contemporary information?
In other words, let's see, how am I trying to put this?
There's a certain line of thinking out there that what we think we receive from the other side is sort of like that giant tape loop, the residual something or another that's left from somebody who has passed away.
I think some cases you will get residual, but in most cases, because in my experiences, the soul continues its journey, it would be very much so that you're getting a continual connection.
Oh, very much so, because I've had things come through where somebody will say to me, the perfect example of this is recently, you know, I had a woman that her dad had passed away and she was trying to get pregnant.
And during the session, he came through and said, you know, you're going to be pregnant in three weeks.
Well, in my experiences, I mean, I'll give you an interesting thing.
I got a chance to go down to see Dr. Raymond Moody, and I got a chance to go into his psychomantheum.
And I had a really profound experience when I was down there.
I actually went out of my body, and I kind of did like a near-death experience when I was there.
And he was telling me afterwards, and if you've ever gotten the opportunity to sit with him, you know, he goes through a whole psychological profile.
He'll sit with you for a good two and a half hours, ask you all these questions, make sure that you're not on any kind of drug or any kind of hallucinogen or anything like that.
And he prepares you mentally.
And I remember going in the room.
And if people are not familiar with the psychomanthium, it goes all the way back to ancient Greece.
And it's real, really interesting.
And I remember going through that process.
And when I was going through that process, of course, you stand in front of the mirror, you go into the mirror at one point.
I could actually feel myself coming out of my body, going into the mirror, and kind of walking down a tunnel.
And as I was walking down this tunnel, I could see all these faces.
And there were some faces of clients that had passed away.
Some were relatives, all different people.
And I remember it was that feeling, you know, when you come out on a spring day and the sun hits you for the first time?
And I remember going, and all of a sudden I got to a point, I got to a bright light, and they're like, you went too far.
And then I remember after that, Raymond coming back in the room, and, you know, it was like I bounced back.
But it was like a very profound feeling.
But in my experiences with going through that and seeing what I deal with in an everyday life, I think there's different levels of souls in the spirit world.
And that's where we get the idea of ghosts.
That's where we get the idea of good spirits, bad spirits, spirits that are around that haven't really grown or haven't really let go.
And that's where I think we get the whole good and evil experience.
Well, in one experience that I had, they described to me that it was like a field, and in that field, you know, there was sun and there were other people, but they weren't really in the physical body.
They were in like a conscious state.
And they kind of described it as a parallel universe.
That would be the way I would describe it.
It was like, would us be going from here to beyond our universe?
That would be the way that they were kind of describing it.
I would say from what I was experiencing and the way they were coming through, the consciousness part was going on.
I don't know that I would say there was houses or Bloomingdales or Macy's and shopping and everything like that, but they were still very much connected to their loved ones here where they were playing a role or trying to play a role to make sure that those souls got where they were supposed to be.
Well, in my experience, when I was writing the second book, our beloved Golden Retriever passed away.
And it was kind of interesting because I actually grieved more over her, probably more so than out of anyone that I've lost in my lifetime.
And even dealing with death every day.
And I remember that, I remember against my own better wishes at the time, you know, I had a dream about three nights before we were going to take her in for surgery.
And in the dream, one of the spirits had come through and said, you know, don't take her.
She's going to die no matter what.
And sure enough, she did.
And I remember like two days afterwards, I was, you know, in my room upstairs, and my wife was sleeping next to me.
And I was awoken by this breath.
And I'm like, oh, my God, I've got to take the dog out.
After the passing, is there a kind of a window of opportunity that is relatively short, days or even a couple of three weeks, where a visitation from the other side is more possible or more probable than it is later on?
But I also find it, which is what I deal with a lot, is that we go through different levels of grief, which you know and everybody knows.
And in some cases, because the death, usually we make the death about us and not about the person that passed on, we have a tendency to kind of hang that person up a little bit because we're so angry.
And probably a good example of that is recently I had these three ladies that came to me.
One was a doctor.
She was a psychiatrist.
The other one was a lawyer.
And the other one was, she worked on the, I guess it's like in the operating room where she ran the machine, you know, when they do open heart surgery.
I would say to you, I've had two instances of experiences with clients where they had people in their family reincarnate very quickly.
I remember also seeing a thing, if I'm not mistaken, ABC had a thing about a little boy who supposedly was on a ship during World War II and had a connection to the ship because he was a flyer on the ship and he was able to trace it back.
I don't think he was more than eight or nine years old.
But I would say in the majority of the things I've come across, most of these incarnations are more out of our timeframe.
Okay, going back to animals for just very quickly, I've had cats now for years and years and years and years, very, very close to cats.
I have inside cats only.
I am convinced, Jeffrey, absolutely beyond any shadow of a doubt, that if we as human beings have souls, and I know that the Bible doesn't necessarily agree with this, but animals have souls too.
I look at them.
You look at their little eyes.
You watch their behavior.
They have jealousy, happiness, sadness.
They have virtually every emotion that a human being has you can see in a cat if you live with it 24 hours a day.
No, it's an unconditional love more so than anything else.
Plus, I find it to be the cats are very psychic.
I find it to be dogs are very psychic.
I remember our other golden.
I have a new one now, but my one that passed away, I would have instances where I would come home and I would be sitting in my living room and she would be sitting next to me and I would watch a person come through the house who's not living, and the dog would totally react to it.
Rachel in Tucson says, Dateline, Manila, Philippines.
I've got to hear from this from Tucson.
About 30 communist guerrillas on Sunday, that would indeed be today here, attacked an international airport under construction in the central Philippines using bombs to destroy equipment and seizing guns from the guards.
If any of you have any update on that, I would certainly appreciate it.
I don't know what airport they're talking about there, but I am very curious.
So the communists on the move here in the Philippines.
Jeffrey Wands is my guest.
He sees dead people, and we'll be right back.
The End You know, without love, I really can't think of a really good reason for being alive.
John in Bronx, New York, Jeffrey, comes up with one here that I'm sure you're going to need to deal with.
He says, sweet talking lies or the truth.
The truth is, John says, that the dead are dead.
And they don't know anything about what's going on.
And they're not going to be made alive again until the rapture and the resurrection of the just and of the unjust.
People have their belief systems, and they're going to believe what they want to believe.
But I find it to be very interesting that more and more people are having experiences where loved ones come through to them, and not just in, you know, the aspect of me doing it, but everybody has their own personal experiences.
So, I mean, when you get stuff like that, it's understandable that's his belief system, so he's entitled to his opinion.
I think it's, especially with what Raymond does, it's the idea of, I think, making that connection because that mirror is like the other door, and it allows us to get into that state.
And maybe it's more of the unconsciousness coming up more so than anything else.
But I know when I, you know, it's funny because when I went down to Raymond's house and I had that experience, Raymond had told me that there were two other mediums that had come down that had the same experience.
So it was kind of interesting.
And you know, Raymond Raymond's very science-oriented.
You're saying what the residents I find it to be when I'm called into a house.
It usually is really more connected to the lamb than the actual house.
It'll depend also with that soul and how that soul has died or how that soul has moved on.
I remember probably about four or five months ago, I had gotten a call and a woman asked me to come to her house.
They were having problems at her house.
And what had happened was before she had bought the house, there was a murder in the house, and it wasn't disclosed to her.
And her two kids were waking up in the middle of the night telling the mother that there was a gentleman in the house with a shotgun and he was pointing it at them.
And what had happened was the gentleman that was the owner before had killed his family and killed himself.
And that energy was lingering, and that was what was causing it.
And I find it to be, especially with kids, kids are extremely open and extremely sensitive, and they're not polluted yet, you know, in the way that we are.
In your case, you learned you were psychic at a very early age, six, and then sort of allowed that to develop.
I think with other adults, particularly those not exposed or not predisposed to be thinking about this sort of thing, we actually begin to form, as we get older, a barrier against it, don't we?
You just hit on something that really has been fascinating me of late.
Of course, a lot of theoretical physicists and others we talk to here on the air talk about multiple dimensions, 11 or more.
And I'm beginning to think that science and the world that you live in, the paranormal, Jeffrey, are beginning to come together.
And it seems like it's not all that far away.
Now, maybe it's just because I do this program, but it really does seem as though science and the paranormal have this meeting place that I can almost see now when there's going to be discovery of another universe, a parallel universe, and it's going to begin to answer some of the questions that people like yourself generate with what you're saying.
I think it's science's responsibility to do better science.
I think what happens is you get some people, and I know the Russell Targs and some of the other great people that are involved with doing the research, which is good, but you have other people that are very one-dimensional in their thought process that are really not looking at the fact that you've got millions and millions of people all through the world that are having experiences.
And this is not like because they're doing mushrooms or they're doing some sort of hallucinogen.
They're doing it more because they're actually experiencing it.
I think that you don't need to be in that state for it to happen.
I think that it'll come at different points.
And I think with certain people, our loved ones make those connections when things are needed.
I really believe that they do affect us.
And I would probably use you as an example from the standpoint that you went through all this stuff and then you were able to put a certain chapter of your life behind you and find happiness with somebody else.
And I'm sure, and I would probably base my professional opinion on it, that your lovely wife that you lost had a big say in it.
Near-death experiences, that's been another one that has confused me.
It seems as though people who have had NDEs frequently turn their lives around.
I mean, if they were, you know, doing something somewhat unsavory or whatever, after they have their NDE and a life review, that sort of thing, they turn their lives around.
Well, it's always seemed, I mean, maybe that's part of their soul map, as you call it.
Yeah, I think that's part of it, because I think what will happen is you get these people and, you know, they're very self-destructive, and they go through something horrible.
It could be, you know, drug-related, alcohol-related, car accident, whatever it is.
And I think that when they go through these near-death experiences, it definitely changes your path.
It makes you maybe recognize your path where you wouldn't have seen it before.
But they are privy then to information about the other side and how it all works that the rest of us are not.
So that if we're leading a somewhat unsavory life, we will continue to do so until the day we die and then presumably be punished for it in a way that somebody who had an NDE and corrected their life might not be.
I would say to you, probably the punishment would come from the fact that you would come back in the incarnation and have to do it all over again and go through the same aspect of it.
I mean, I think that's part of the soul map from the point that they do go through these NDEs at that point because they're supposed to really enlighten their path and end up being where they're supposed to be.
I do that, and then there's other people that come to me that would be in a business way where they would want direction in a business sense or a life path.
So it would be different things.
I mean, I have a couple therapists that I work with, so it'll vary with the need.
I have a woman who's a trauma therapist who I get nothing but people that have lost kids to suicide.
And I work with her closely from the point that she helps the families get closure in one sense and deal with their grief, and then I help them with the closure of the lost person.
So many psychics, Jeffrey, seem to tell people what they want to hear.
And the more you pay for it, the more you hear what you want to hear.
Not that one.
All right.
Well, then my question to you is this.
When you get somebody sitting in front of you or that you are consulting and you look at their soul path or soul map, if you will, and you see really something tragic, really something awful coming up, do you tell them about it?
I will tell them in a way where I wouldn't say, God forbid, if you were sitting in front of me and I would say to you, you know, you're going to die three weeks from now.
I will tell them in a way to tell them to look for this bump in the road, and hopefully they can prevent this bump in the road.
I had a situation recently where I had a young woman come.
She hadn't spoken to her dad in 12 years.
And I nudged her about getting in contact with the father.
And she was able to resolve with the father.
And the father ended up dying four weeks later.
So things like that, you know, you can do it in a way where you nudge them or you strongly suggest that they should take care of this immediately without scaring them and saying, oh, my God, you know, your loved one's going to pass in two weeks.
I mean, for example, do you say somebody that you, I mean, if you look at somebody and you see the Grim Reaper ahead, do you say, listen, by the way, have you updated your will?
But, I mean, if you were sitting in front of me and you knew you had three weeks to live, I've had people ask me point blank and say, you know, it'll depend.
I had people come to me that have had cancer That I know they're going to have a very short period of time.
And I had one client say to me, How much time do I have?
You know, can I do this, this, and this?
So in that case, it's good.
In other cases, it would just pertain to how much I think the person can handle it.
I mean, the bad side of what I do is you do get some people that are not legitimate that do take advantage of people, and very much so.
I mean, I actually talk about this.
We have a lot of this in New York.
It's the gypsy stuff, where I had this lovely, lovely little Italian woman who wanted her 40-year-old daughter married in the worst way.
And she got bled for $80,000 from a gypsy.
And they set it up to the point where they said to her, your daughter's going to meet somebody on the train.
And they actually had somebody go to the extent who knew this person where they set up a meeting.
And, you know, this went on and on and on.
And I remember this woman coming to me, and I'm like, look, you've got to call so-and-so I know who's with this particular crime unit with NYPD.
And you need to stop this because you're getting taken advantage of.
It's a tough thing because I can't answer for everybody else.
I think there are a lot of talented mediums out there, and the human effect comes in.
I mean, there are certain people.
It's like doctors, lawyers, you're going to get frauds.
I don't know how I would answer that as far as percentages per se.
I tell people probably the best thing to do is to experience, you know, have your own experience first.
Like, if you were going to come to someone like myself, you know, have a recommendation, know somebody in your family or somebody that's a friend that would have that connection.
I've had it like probably a couple instances I had with plane crashes where actually in my dream state, I will be on the plane.
It ends up crashing.
You know, it'll come that way.
I remember the war, you know, the first war with the first President Bush, and I remember dreaming about that like six months before it happened with seeing the desert and seeing it in that way.
But usually when I get world events, it'll come more in a dream state.
The one other time that I would say to you that I had a sense of something major happening would have been when John F. Kennedy Jr. died.
I had this feeling at that time, the same thing with Princess Diana, where there was going to be something major in the world that was going to have a world effect.
Do you enjoy your work or do you find it, you know, as in the case of the television program with Ms. Dubois, it seems as much of a curse many times as a blessing?
I have only, I would say, in the last three, four years, I'm more at peace with it since I've been doing national TV.
And I got through getting over the bump of not being afraid of it so much.
And it's amazing because people, like, every time I do national TV, I'll get these emails from people.
It'll be about, you know, people unsolved murders and things of that nature.
And they write all these emails.
And I try to pick out things that I could try to help people with.
And I think that's probably the best part of what I do in regards to if I can bring that little ounce of closure to somebody, it's going to bring them a little peace.
I think that they're very similar, except that in my experiences with a remote viewer, it's probably more so because they're going after a particular object or a particular thing.
So anyway, you say you're now pretty much at peace with yourself with regard to what you do, and even being in the media and doing it, you're still at peace.
That must be tough.
I mean, if you go on television, for example, and you're required to perform on queue, that's a little rough, isn't it?
All right, the news I gave you apparently is getting confirmed.
About 10 fast blasts here, about 30 communist guerrillas have indeed attacked a Japanese-funded international airport being built in the central Philippines.
And I'll just have to update you from there.
Once again, Jeffrey Wands, your book is Another Door Opens, Jeffrey.
I think the main point of the book is I put some experiences that I had with death.
I used actually some clients that I met with that we interviewed.
And it was interesting because I have one story in the book.
It was a husband and wife, and, you know, men are normally skeptical, and they had lost a child, and they were kind of blown away by the experience.
They ended up bringing their daughter, who was young at the time.
And it's just part of the healing process that's in there.
And then the other part of the book that I talk about is my experiences working with therapists and their perspective of what I do and the importance of the whole healing process of death and the different stages of what we go through in that healing process.
And then I also talk about the idea of dreams.
And it's interesting.
I always tell people, if you ever have a dream where you're in a snowstorm or a blizzard, make sure you go out and buy a lotto ticket.
Because I actually had one of the lotto winners that had that dream, and her dead father-in-law gave her the winning numbers.
I asked periodically for things, and it's interesting before I wrote my first book and I did my second book and TV and radio, they had come to me one night in a dream and said to me that you're going to be doing media.
And I was laughing at the time, and I had no interest in doing it.
I was very happy with just having my clientele and just leaving it the way it was.
And I think that's where I got a glimpse and also getting a glimpse of me having two sons and my wife.
I mean, I've had this conversation with my wife, and my wife gets extremely upset with me about, you know, when it would be my time to go and, you know, how I'd want to go.
And, you know, I kind of try to hint with her sometimes that I know that I'm going to be going at a certain point.
And, you know, she gets extremely upset like anybody's wife would.
Well, in my experience, I have one therapist that I work with.
It's all kids' suicides.
I would say to you that a good 94% of those suicides that I deal with are people that are actually, you know, do have mental illness that are taken into a place where they just lose it.
And then you come across those 6% that are the ones that do it out of spite or they do it out of anger at that particular time.
But a lot of people ask me, do you still get to heaven if you kill oneself?
Do you still get across?
And I found it to be the ones that have gone through the, I would say, the mental trauma where it's a mental condition or it's schizophrenia or manic depression or it could be a medication that triggered it.
They seem to come through much stronger than the other 6% that are kind of still caught up in that anger.
My question is, with regard to the other side or whatever you know about the other side, what would be the path on the other side for somebody who had done that?
I've got to believe that there is, based on that experience.
Granted, the souls that I've been dealing with haven't reincarnated yet, but I would be inclined to believe that you would pick up some residual karma in the process.
Television, of course, requires pictures and visual support for whatever is being done.
Where, of course, in radio, you can kind of create a mental picture that just, I don't know, television actually takes away from in many instances.
So radio is a wonderful medium in every way I can think of.
Okay.
I'll tell you what.
Shortly we will begin to take calls, and I'm sure a million people are going to want to talk to you.
One thing I would like to stay away from, though, Jeffrey, here on the radio is people to call up to get readings from you.
I don't want to do that.
I'm not going to allow that to occur simply because it satisfies the one person who calls, but is a tremendous kind of bore to the rest of the audience.
So I would hope that the people that would call would call with general questions about psychic ability, about the other side, about talking to people on the other side, that kind of thing.
That's what I'm looking for, audience, if you can hear me, not individual readings.
That's sort of a trap that I think that a lot of people in radio fall into.
Of course, if you do individual readings, the phones light up like a Christmas tree, but it's just a trap that talk show hosts fall into.
So what, that they light up?
It's just going to bore the hell out of the rest of the audience.
So I want to stay away from that, folks.
So don't ask for specific readings, please.
But rather generally kind of interview Jeffrey in the way I have been, if that's okay with you, Jeffrey.
Yes, but when I do the groups and I do the things that I'm doing from that standpoint, like I did this thing two weeks ago for breast cancer, I wasn't getting paid for it.
I did a large group.
We had 500 people.
I mean, I'm big about giving back, so I can't say that all the things I do when I do the radio show, even though I know you were talking about not liking the idea of the readings and the whole bit, I mean, when I do the readings and stuff like that, I'm not getting paid for the radio show.
Well, I mean, I would say to you, I haven't had any indication of that, so I wouldn't go out on the limb tonight and say to you that I'm 100% convinced in that timeframe.
I mean, I know we're constantly being tested in the world, and I'm sure you were talking about North Korea and the whole idea of the nuclear stuff, but I'm not inclined to believe that we're not going to be here in 2012.
Is there anything at all as you look out ahead of all of us, Jeffrey, if you ever do that, if you ever try to simply look out ahead, you don't see any sudden darkness or a sudden wall or inability to see past a certain time, as in the whole world ending, do you?
I knew I would get through tonight for some reason.
I've tried so many times, but something just told me I'd get through tonight.
Jeff, it's really a pleasure to hear you.
I have a few questions.
First question is, my mom passed about four years ago, and I noticed I'm picking up a few of her traits just to give you, for instance, she used to grunt a lot like that.
We did a Maury show that coincided with the release of the movie White Noise with Michael Titan.
And we had some people on the show that actually, one woman in particular had gotten EVPs from her daughter that was killed in a car accident.
And I've done some stuff with a friend of mine where we've gotten EVPs on a digital recorder in a cemetery where we've actually gotten voices that have said, you know, get out.
And you can hear them clearly.
So I am a firm believer.
If I can hear them, why can't they come up on tape recorders?
Yeah, because I think that's where we get into what we talked about earlier, the idea of the good spirits and the bad spirits.
You are going to, in some cases, those EVPs are more lower form energy, which are basically spirits that haven't moved on.
But in other cases, you will get some really good EVPs where there are departed family members that just want to come through and let you know that they're there.
I think in those cases, what happens is what I was saying earlier about the idea of the bad spirits.
You're going to get some of these souls that are either poltergeist or souls that are kind of lingering around that are still carrying a lot of the anger that they had in the life.
You then believe that when you get to the other side, Jeffrey, the personality traits you had, if you were a rotten SOB on this side, you're still likely going to be a rotten SOB on the other side?
I mean, it drives me crazy when I see other psychics that talk about the fact that, you know, the afterlife, we're all holding hands and we're singing kumbaya.
And I don't think that's the case.
I mean, that's the evolution of the soul, and it's the process of the soul.
And you're going to get some negative energy that does linger because we have good and evil in the world.
The phone lines are absolutely going berserk, as you might imagine they are.
Once again, My little caveat for talking with Jeffrey, please do not ask for a personal reading, but rather keep your questions or your inquiries in the general category, which will be of interest to all from Manila in the Philippines with a strange haze over the city.
I'm Art Bell.
My guest is Jeffrey Wands.
He is a psychic.
All I ask is that you keep your questions general about the world of psychic ability, and he certainly has it, rather than doing specific readings.
Somebody just sent me an email, and by the way, you can do that, of course.
My email address is artbell at mindspring.com.
Actually, two of them.
Artbell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, at A-O-L.com, or Artbell at MindSpring.com.
Somebody just sent me an email.
Marine scientists report massive dead zones, rising tides of untreated sewage, plastic debris, seriously threatening marine life and habitat around the globe.
Now, dead zones can encompass areas of the ocean 100,000 square kilometers in size where nothing lives because there's no oxygen left in the water.
Nitrogen pollution, mainly from farm fertilizers, sewage, other things that we don't understand, produce blooms of algae that absorb all oxygen in the water.
Now, many people believe that we originally came from the oceans.
And if we get to a point where there's nothing left in the oceans where they are dead, then what are our expectations?
And that's not even to mention the rest of what's going on in the world right now.
We'll cover all that and get to your questions for Jeffrey Wands in a moment.
Jeffrey, not even considering the proliferation of nuclear weapons and what's going on right now in North Korea and elsewhere, but looking at the dead zones in the ocean, looking at what's going on in the world right now with respect to ocean currents, which may end up freezing the European parts of the European continent, looking at our air or the lack of good breathable air and a lot of other problems on the planet right now.
And I know this is asking for a psychic revelation of the largest sort, but it really does look like we're on the road to more or less destroying ourselves, Jeffrey.
I wonder if you have any thoughts about all that at all.
You know, especially when you have kids, you know, I worry about the fact that the kids are going to have a place to survive in, you know, down the road.
But I haven't been given any indication yet that we're not going to have a place to exist.
So I got to believe from that standpoint, there's still something in the bigger plan.
Wildcard Line, you are on the air with Jeffrey Wands.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
Recent discovery with your program.
It's always great, night after night.
And Jeffrey, thank you.
No problem.
No problem.
And Jeffrey, I have a question for you.
I use a candle visioning process where I stare at a candle for a few moments and I have the light to memory in the rods of the eye.
And in that field, I transition in colors from bright yellow to orange, then to blue.
And when I hit the blue stage, I see geometric linear patterns and faces, lots and lots of faces.
And a specific example here that's incredible is in 94, when I was living in Phoenix, I used the process, saw the word Sama spelled out in blue letters, and then saw a bunch of faces.
The next day I was riding out of town on my bicycle.
I saw three figures on a hill with a truck.
And when I arrived adjacent to these persons, I glanced to my right, saw a young cowboy looking at me at the same instant, and it was like total realization, just a total consciousness between the two of us.
At a later point, I discovered that Nostradamus used a candle or a flame to create or cause or experience his vision.
So what I'm wondering is, who am I experiencing as to the people in this process?
Well, I think what you're doing in essence, and I actually talk about an exercise in my first book about doing the whole candle work in regards to the fact that you're tapping into a consciousness, which is probably what you're seeing with those people are actually people from the spirit world.
I've had quite a number of experiences, and this has been a great program.
I really love you, Art.
You're great.
Programs have just been wonderful lately that I've been listening to.
And I did have a question.
I've had this gift since I was, you know, quite small, a small child, and then it was dormant for some time in my teenage years.
And Jeffrey, I don't know if you've ever had a dormant time like that, but then it came back after the birth of my daughter.
And the psychic awareness was really great.
And I would start seeing things, spirits and stuff like that, and just getting thoughts in my head as to things that were going to happen in the world, and then it would happen.
And I was just wondering, is why is it so prominent in some people?
And in some people, you know, they just have like maybe a slight intuition.
I mean, I always considered it to be more of like saints got this type of thing, and I'm certainly no saint.
Well, not knowing your history or anything from that standpoint, but usually when people do have experiences early on, they get to a point where they get a little frightened by them and they have a tendency to block them.
And then the idea of the fact that you gave birth and you really made a connection and the fact that you were bringing a new soul or a soul in the world, that could have taken away some of that fear and taken away some of that loss element that you had where you went away from it.
So the fact is, is bringing your daughter in and celebrating that beautiful connection of bringing in a very special soul definitely would probably enhance that.
Just like how you get, you know, just how you get, like, probably another example would be when you have twins, how the twins have an uncanny knack to know when the other one's in trouble.
I didn't get the impression when you said that it was something demonic.
I got more of the impression that it would relate more to a loved one that had passed on that you didn't get closure with, that you didn't get a chance to say goodbye to.
Jeffrey, widening that out a little bit, apparitions or spirits, when you're in contact with a spirit, are there times when you are totally unaware of who it is you're in contact with or perhaps even a non-human spirit of some sort?
Usually with me, because of the fact that it's not so much like I personally think, you know, animals speak, okay, but they don't actually speak in the sense of the English language in the way that we do.
But usually when I am making those connections with animals, they're going to give me like symbols or something that's visual that I can relate to.
So I've had a couple of times, I actually had a woman that I sat with one time who had lost her horse, and the horse came through, and the horse would do certain things with his front leg to acknowledge her.
And when I was in the session with her, the horse was giving me those symbols, and she knew exactly what I was talking about.
Wildcard line, you're on the air with Jeffrey Wands.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning.
I would like to know how a person can interpret a clairvoyant dream, one that comes in symbols or metaphors.
And I'd also like to know if a person is having clairvoyant dreams, how they can encourage, if there is anything you can do to encourage having more of them.
Well, probably a good example of that would be if you had somebody come through and that person was crying and it was a loved one.
It doesn't necessarily mean in that dream per se that that person is upset with you.
It could represent something else that's going on in the family or something that's coming up in the family that's not necessarily a nice thing, per se, a sickness, a death.
So that would be the part of their way of kind of giving you a heads up or a warning.
But she was also mentioning like how you would improve on it.
And I tell people there are different exercises that you can use in regards to which I talk about in the book is just ask for them to clarify something if you don't understand it.
And usually they will come through and clarify it.
And I always tell people to make sure you keep some sort of little journal by the side of the bed because I've had it with clients and also in my own situations where you will get certain patterns maybe three or four nights that make no sense, and then when you put them all together, they make sense.
But usually that will represent, in my experiences, you know, illness, death, that type of thing.
And it doesn't mean for you personally, but it'll represent something in the family.
Probably the other element is what I said earlier about the idea of having a dream in a state where you are basically covered in a snowstorm and things of that.
You would expect that to mean cold, chilly, but it doesn't mean that.
It means wealth and abundance.
So I think it's in different forms.
But then you get the other dreams where it could be your great-grandmother, Elaine who passed away, who comes through in the dream and hugs you.
Does that mean that she's going to take you?
And the answer is no.
That's her way of giving a visitation to let you know that she did get across.
I think it's more in being able to learn to focus and do things with concentration.
Most people can't sit still more than three, four minutes a day.
So I describe little exercises that you can do to try to hone that.
You could do it through psychometry, which is the idea of taking an object and being able to pick up the vibrations from that particular object.
There's all different levels of that that you can do, but that would be, but I usually tell people the first step is learning how to meditate maybe three, four minutes a day.
Anyway, my bipolar son, he, we believe, accidentally took his life five years ago.
And you had said earlier that people who know what they're doing, you believed in the afterlife that there may be some sort of, you didn't say punishment, but a consequence for that.
My question is, those people with mental illnesses, you said that they would have an easier time transitioning, but you didn't really say if there would be consequences in the afterlife.
With my experiences, especially, I'm sorry to hear, especially in regards, you know, with that.
But I've come across the majority of the ones that I've dealt with that have had mental illness and have gone through that, there hasn't really been a consequences for them.
They've been able to get across very quickly, more so because they're in that state where they don't realize that they're actually doing it because it's the mental illness.
I was on the top of Haleaka, and I had like a really intense experience.
I've had intense experiences in Mexico.
I'm actually coming to Phoenix, actually, in a couple weeks for a book signing.
So I really can't say to you with Arizona because I haven't experienced it yet.
But there are definitely heightened places throughout the world where there are these, like, I would call them energy vortexes or, you know, connections where there is this deep spiritual energy.
Jeffrey Wands is my guest, and you might want to check out his book.
That's always a good way to follow up if you're fascinated.
It's called Another Door Opens.
And I'm sure you can find it at Amazon.com or your favorite bookstore.
From Manila, the Philippines, I'm Art Bell.
That's The Highwayman, folks.
And it's all about reincarnation.
And we'll just let this roll to its conclusion.
My guest is Jeffrey Wands.
And regarding reincarnation, it seems to me that if you believe in life after death, then reincarnation, I don't know, it just makes all kinds of sense.
Somebody calling themselves LJ from Prump, Nevada.
That's my hometown, as you all know.
And no doubt, a listener to K-N-Y-E-F M95.1 asks two really good questions, Jeffrey, and they are, does our talking to our past loved ones prevent them from incarnating and reincarnating, I guess I ought to say?
And when they incarnate, does that cut off our communication with them?
Well, you mentioned that there was usually a lot of time that passes before they reincarnate or before anybody reincarnates, although I suppose that's not an ironclad rule.
What do we know about the rules?
But have you ever run into an instance where you tried to communicate to somebody and could not because, in fact, they reincarnated?
In Manila, it's about, what, 4.41 or so in the afternoon.
But it doesn't matter.
Go ahead and ask your question.
unidentified
Okay, just a little ditty before I ask the question.
When I was 15, I'm 37 years old right now.
When I was 15, I went to visit my father in New York.
And he took me to the World Trade Center.
And we did go to the observation deck, but when I was standing in front of it, looking up at it and going, wow, this thing is really, really tall.
He was telling me about some sway factor of buildings that it has because of wind and earthquakes and whatnot.
And I thought to myself at that moment, wow, imagine if this thing tipped over and it crashed in on New York.
And for me, it's just a coincidence that I would think something like that at the time, but I did think it, and I'll always remember thinking it.
And it was a beautiful sight looking from the observation deck and just looking out across New York.
My question for you, Jeff, is do you think that thought itself is manifested as a perceivable frequency or vibration like throwing a stone in a lake, which can be used by everyone to predict the future depending on their level of knowingness?
So I always find to be that when you're dealing with younger people and you're dealing with the so-called psychic world, there are these, you know, what we say, there's less guards up from that point.
And it's quite possible that your consciousness or your psychic side was picking up on the fact that that could happen and it was going to happen.
So I would have to agree with you from the point of throwing the rock in the pond that that would be part of that ability to pick up things.
I think everybody truly knows, but I just watched a documentary on it which explains it further, and it's actually the law of attraction of the universe, which what you think is what you're manifested in your life.
It becomes.
So if you're a negative person, you're going to draw negative in your life.
If you're a positive person, you're going to stay positive.
I mean, you do have people that walk around waiting for a building to fall on them that are, you know, what we call the space grabbers or the negative ones.
And they're the ones that, you know, overall is the ones that say, I don't have luck, I don't have this.
The world has said what happened to all the psychics with regard to 9-11, which was one of the biggest things that's happened in our lifetimes, without any question, Jeffrey.
What happened to all the psychics?
Well, as a matter of fact, a couple of gals called the Psychic Twins did, on my program, predict the Twin Towers falling, the act of terrorism against the Twin Towers.
And I don't know of many others that are documented.
I remember at the time I was doing a Sunday night radio show, and we had had people on, and I remember a couple of people saying that they had picked up on that so-called consciousness of a terrorism act or not necessarily the World Trade Center, but per se planes coming into a large building.
I have a question about you're saying that, you know, you can be punished for killing yourself.
My question is...
Oh, okay.
Maybe I phrased that wrong, but I'm wondering if you feel like you're living a life that's the result of possibly killing yourself in a past life, if you were to do it again, would you keep treading water or would you not move forward?
Yes, my question for Jeff is I'm a 47-year-old male, and I suffer from manic depression, authentic compulsive disorder, and I also am a recovering drug addict.
And in my past, I've been abused when I was younger, and I have abused others in my lifetime.
Now, my question is, with all this guilt and torment that I still have and a lot of anger, what could possibly happen to my soul beyond the realms of death?
How to deal with an out-of-body experience I've had.
It was a three-way.
Meaning, I was watching myself watch myself die.
And after that, I have been able to see through mirrors, like three-way, like around.
And I thought maybe everyone could, so I thought everyone's lying to me.
And on the floor, I see also there's images of lions.
And it's just not my imagination because when I go to my friend's house, they see lions, they see images of, and they don't want to speak with me or come around me because these things happen.
My paintings, things change.
It's not normal.
I don't know what to do with...
because they say in these voices, don't smoke, don't drink, read the Bible.
So just the other day, I mean, I'll give it to my friend, and my friend will say, I don't want to hear it no more, Judy.
Don't bring the ghosts here because when I come to their house, things happen.
In other words, you live in a completely psychic kind of happening world.
Jeffrey, I wonder how many people are in our mental institutions across America who hear voices, who are experiencing psychic phenomena, and have been diagnosed as mentally ill as a result of that and are not necessarily so?
I mean, I tell people it's so, so important before you even get to anyone like myself, you have to go through a grief process.
And until you've gone through that loss, I mean, the one great thing that I think that's really happened in the last, you know, 20 years or so, you have so many opportunities to go to groups.
There are, you know, Forever Family.
There are groups from hospitals and local organizations that help you deal with the grief process.
And I tell people you have to go through an element of either talking to your priest or your rabbi or a counselor before you even get to that point because that will hold the, you know, the departed ones up.
unidentified
Will our, I guess, the intensity of our grief for them make it worse?
It's the level of the grief, which is if in most cases, if you look when you do lose somebody, we kind of make it about us.
We don't make it about the person that's passed because we're angry that we lost mom or we lost that element.
And that's what makes it so difficult.
So it's a process because usually it'll be the fact that I didn't get to the hospital in time or she died in her sleep and I didn't get a chance to say goodbye.
Or I get a lot of stuff with people where it's survivor's guilt.
And I had a lot of that from 9-11 with firefighters that went into the town or that worked for other firefighters, and the firefighters that were off, why didn't they die that day?
You get into a whole thing, and that's where you hold up that whole grief process.
Let's move to, I don't know, the wildcard line in Florida.
John, you're on the air.
unidentified
Yes.
A lot of people I know get upset about the Catholic and, I guess, other Christian churches teaching on suicide.
I don't know, though, if they're familiar with all of it in that Catholic Church at least teaches that if a person's really genuinely crazy, like your guest was saying, they don't know what it is they're doing.
That the reason suicide is wrong is because it's wrong to murder somebody, even yourself.
And that if either you're crazy and don't know what you're doing, or if you're unaware that it's a sin, like the lady who just was so concerned about her family and the fact that her illness was bankrupting her family, well, she wasn't, her motivation wasn't, I don't like the situation I'm in, so I'm going to kill myself in order to leave.
Her motive was altruistic.
May not have been the wisest thing to do or whatever.
But it wasn't a selfish or sinful motivation.
And that in those cases, the Catholic Church teaches that if you're either ignorant it's a sin or just too crazy to know what you're doing, then you would not go to hell because you're not committing a sin.
And it sounds like that meshes, of course, Christian churches generally, including Catholic, don't teach reincarnation.
But I try not to like, you know, religion is a very personal thing, and you have to kind of go beyond the box sometimes.
And I think people don't do that because, you know, we're taught one belief system, if it's Catholicism or Judaism, and we don't look at the bigger picture, which is the idea of the fact, like what I was talking about before with the woman who had the ALS who decided to do that.
But in essence, you know, that was a kindly act because of the fact that she was trying to help her family.
She wasn't doing it, you know, with the intent to hurt anybody.
She was doing it because it was destroying her family.
Well, actually, what I think you may have misunderstood.
The church's teaching is more elastic than most people realize.
In fact if you are not aware of what you're doing, then it's not a sin and you don't go to hell, either because you're crazy or because you're ignorant and just trying to do something kindly like the woman with ALF.
I've never heard that before, so that's a new one on me.
unidentified
Well, see, a lot of people will point out the teaching, but the thing is, they don't study it more.
And for people, I suppose, on the one hand, if this encourages somebody to commit suicide, it's a bad thing for me to mention it.
But a lot of people out there experience a lot of grief and fear after a loved one dies.
That does not necessarily apply.
And so that's why I thought I should mention it, especially since it sounds like that's very much what you found when you've been communicating with people who have died.
And I was just actually, when you were saying that, I was just thinking of another instance that I had.
I had an elderly gentleman that was married to his wife for 62 years.
He went out to get milk, and the wife had a massive heart attack and died.
And he had this terrible grief process with this because he wasn't there, and he thought he could call the ambulance, and he ended up taking his own life in the garage, you know, from the point of starting the car and letting the carbon monoxide get to him.
And the family was extremely upset.
They were very Catholic, and they were extremely upset because he killed himself that he wasn't going to get there.
And, you know, that's a perfect example, like what your caller was saying about how you interpret, you know, what's written.
Well, let's hope this kicks it right in the tail end and it does really well.
If you're interested in what Jeffrey's had to say tonight and you want to follow up on it, Another Door Opens is his book, and I suppose that door is available on Amazon.com, right?