Philip Gardiner, a former marketing and propaganda expert turned conspiracy researcher, argues secret societies like the neo-Nazi Holy Vem and modern Templars are often exclusive business networks rather than occult groups, exposing rituals like spitting on crosses or "kissing" Baphomet as psychological exercises. His book The Serpent Grail ties snake venom’s healing properties to ancient myths, suggesting the Holy Grail was originally a "mixing bowl" for spiritual alchemy, suppressed by Victorian-era Christianity. In Gnosis: The Secret of Solomon’s Temple, he frames mystical experiences—like quantum entanglement or Gnostic enlightenment—as lost knowledge, with callers reporting fleeting visions of divine beings or alien visitations. Bell’s skepticism contrasts Gardiner’s claims that religions misrepresent history, leaving listeners to question whether ancient symbols hold hidden truths or if modern interpretations are just speculative myths. [Automatically generated summary]
From the Southeast Asian capital city of the Republic of the Philippines, 7,107 islands strong, Manila.
This is Coast to Coast A.M. And I'm Art Bell here to guide you through the weekend.
It is my honor and pleasure to be guiding you through the weekend.
And I have a lot of interesting, useful information for you this night.
And then next hour, Philip Gardner will be here to talk of things that I don't know a whole lot about, actually.
Secret societies, things like, does God really exist?
Well, I know a little bit about that.
Not enough.
The Da Vinci Code, I really want to know about that.
Saw the movie, loved it.
And so that'll be next hour.
This hour, let us look at the world in a moment.
Always a disturbing thing to do.
There's never any good news in the world news.
Never.
First of all, though, tonight, I'd like to have you take a look at my webcam.
Yesterday I had a photograph of myself up there.
We, as you know, or maybe don't know, took a little trip to Hong Kong, which is about an hour and a half from here in Manila by plane.
Just an hour and a half.
Over and back.
Spent three days there and had a blast.
And so tonight I put a picture of Erin up.
And the one thing that we did splurge on a little bit were a couple of Chinese dresses for Erin.
She loves them.
And I really love them.
And you can see why.
I put a picture of Erin up tonight in her little Susie Wong dress, Chinese dress, and she loves it.
And she does kind of look like Susie Wong in it.
How many of you ever saw that movie, Susie Wong?
It's going to run on HBO October 29th again, I know, because we loved it, missed most of it, and will re-tape it on the 29th.
Now, you might also want to take a look at the by the way, that picture's a little arts webcam in the upper left-hand corner of CoastTocostam.com.
That's where it'll be.
There's also a story that is very, very disturbing on CoastTocoastAM.com right now.
And it has to do with Big Brother.
Big Brother, you know, we talk about these things about Big Brother, and I think a lot of people don't believe them, and they go, ah, baloney.
Well, take a good look at this.
It is a picture, I believe, from England, the town of Middlesbrough or something in the UK, yeah, it is.
And Big Brother is not only watching now, but Big Brother now can talk back to you.
In other words, you could be going down the street.
Not only do they have cameras, but apparently they have people watching them for bad behavior.
That's right.
Bad behavior, antisocial behavior, things like littering, fighting, drinking, whatever, picking your nose.
I don't know.
Anyway, all of a sudden, you could be walking down the street, and the speakers would blare out at you, this is not an appropriate area for drinking, put it away.
Or something more serious.
Anyway, there's a picture, actually, a picture of it up there on the website right now.
So I guess we really are moving into an era where Big Brother is going to take over.
All right, the world.
U.S. war prisoners, legal vacuum for 14,000, Baghdad.
In the very few short years since the first shackled Afghan shuffled off to Guantanamo, the U.S. military has created a global network of overseas prisons.
Its islands of highly secure, keeping 14,000 detainees beyond the reach of established law.
Disclosures of torture and long-term arbitrary detentions have won rebuke from leading voices, including the U.N. Secretary General, the U.S. Supreme Court, but the bitterest words come from inside the system, the size of several major U.S. penitentiaries.
This is a big controversy in America, and I'm afraid that I'm on the side of those, and I'm not certain, nobody's in favor of torture.
However, if it means American lives, and frequently and most times it does mean American lives, causing somebody to be uncomfortable in some way or another in order to extract information from them seems to me to be a reasonable tactic in a very unreasonable world.
Here's another one.
U.S. holds AP photographer in Iraq for five months, probably not reasonable.
The U.S. military in Iraq has imprisoned an Associated Press photographer for five months, accusing him of being a security threat, but never filing charges or permitting a public hearing.
Not good.
Military officials said that Bilhal Hussein, an Iraqi citizen, was being held for imperative reasons of security under United Nations resolutions.
AP executives said the news cooperative's review of his work didn't find anything to indicate inappropriate contact with insurgents, and any evidence against him should be brought to the Iraqi criminal justice system.
The E. coli thing continues to spread 109 now.
The number of people sickened by E. coli outbreaks traced to tainted spinach now at 109.
So federal officials announced more brands will be recalling their products.
Quote, this is unquestionably a significant outbreak in terms of E. coli.
That's Dr. David Arkson, chief medical officer with the Food and Drug Administration Center for Food, Safety and Applied Nutrition.
Pope Benedict said Sunday he is deeply sorry.
So this is an upgrade apology, deeply sorry for his remarks on Islam and violence offended Muslims, but the unusual expression of papal regret drew something of a mixed reaction from Islamic leaders as the Vatican worried about the backlash of violence.
You see, some Muslim leaders accepted the sapen.
Others said that it just was not enough, but urged Muslims to avoid violence after attacks on churches in Palestinian areas and the slaying of a nun in Somalia.
My God.
The Bush administration and Holdout GOP senators expressed confidence on Sunday they could reach a compromise on rules for CIA interrogations of suspected terrorists.
Neither the president's national security aides nor some of the lawmakers who are resisting White House pressure would say how they can reconcile their deep differences after a week of public sparring.
The examiner who performed yet a second autopsy Sunday on Anna Nicole Smith's 20-year-old son said he could not yet determine the cause of death.
Cyril Weck, a forensic pathologist who gained fame as a critic of the government's probe into the John F. Kennedy assassination and as a consultant in Elvis Presley's death, ruled out several potential natural causes, including heart disease, stroke, or congenital anomaly.
Now, in a moment, I have, I'm going to return to the topic of cell phones.
I have no idea whether you can actually cook an egg with a couple of cell phones, as these Russians for Pravda claim they did, but I have some information that is just good as gold coming up next on cell phones.
Don't touch that dial.
The End I should like to say again that I think it is very cool that Denny's is sponsoring the first hour of the program here on the weekends.
We share the same kind of hours.
I don't know.
It's just a good match.
All right, here we go.
Now, I want you to listen to the following very carefully.
You might want to have a pencil or a pen handy.
This stuff is really good information.
Last night we talked about cooking eggs with cell phones, chicken or even human, I suppose.
And I really don't even know if that was true, but this is true.
So listen to me carefully.
Things you never knew your cell phone could do.
There are a few things that can be done in times of grave emergencies.
Your cell phone, for example, can actually be a lifesaver or an emergency tool for survival.
Check out these things.
One, the emergency number worldwide for mobile phones is 112.
Now, remember that number, 112.
If you find yourself out of the coverage area of your mobile network, it doesn't matter.
If there's an emergency, dial 112, and the mobile phone you have will search for any existing network.
It doesn't matter, any existing network.
It will establish a connection with that network, dial the emergency number for you.
And interestingly, this number 112 can be dialed even if the keypad is locked.
Now, I'd suggest here you try it out.
I don't suggest you try it out because you're going to be dialing an emergency number just to check it out.
So don't do that.
Now, here's a really useful one.
Have you ever locked your keys in your car?
Haven't we all?
Does your car have a remote?
Well, yes, it probably does.
Does your wife or your husband have one of those remotes?
Might come in handy someday.
Good reason to own a cell phone.
If you lock your keys in the car and the spare keys are at home, call your wife or your husband on their cell phone from your cell phone.
Hold your cell phone about a foot away from your car door and have the person on the other end, hubby or wife, at home, press the unlock button, holding it near the mobile phone on their end.
Your car will unlock.
Save someone from having to drive your keys to you.
Distance is no object.
You could be hundreds of miles away.
And if you can reach someone who has the other remote for your car, you can unlock the doors or even the trunk.
Editor's note.
It works fine.
We tried it out and it unlocked our car right away over a cell phone.
That's cool.
Now, I'm still not done.
Imagine that your cell battery is very low.
If you're expecting a very important call or need to make one and you don't have a charger, Nokia, that's right, a lot of people have Nokia, right?
So this is just for Nokia.
Nokia has a secret reserve battery.
To activate it, all you do is press the keys, star 3370, crosshatch.
That's star 3370 crosshatch.
And guess what?
Your cell will restart with a reserve.
And the instrument will show a 50% increase in battery.
This reserve is going to get recharged when you charge your cell the next time.
And in the meantime, it might save your life.
And then finally, this one.
People here in the Philippines are known to steal cell phones.
Actually, worldwide, it happens, right?
How to disable a stolen mobile phone.
Check your mobile phone's serial number key.
Now, I'm going to tell you how to do that.
It apparently works.
It certainly worked on mine here in the Philippines, so it should work on yours.
To check your mobile phone's serial number, dial the following digits on your phone.
Star, crosshatch, 06, crosshatch.
A 15-digit code will then appear on the screen.
Let me give it to you again.
Star, cross-hatch, 06, cross-hatch.
Then you get a 15-digit code on the screen.
This number is unique to your handset.
Write it down.
Keep it somewhere safe.
When your phone gets stolen, if it does, you can phone up your service provider, give them this 15-digit code.
They will then be able to block your handset so that even if the thief changes a SIM card, that's right, even if they change the SIM card, your phone will be completely useless to them.
Now, you're probably not going to get your phone back, but at least you will know that whoever stole it can't use it or sell it.
If everybody would do this, there would be no point in people stealing mobile phones.
This information is really worth, in my opinion, spreading far and wide, and I just, I couldn't resist bringing it to you tonight.
I hope you wrote some of that down.
Here's a listener email I thought important.
Art, I always listen to your show and have listened to your excellent interview with Dr. Greer last night, but I think I'm going to have to tell you my hair is on fire to get you to read this interesting and true UFO account.
My father was a pilot for Pan Am until 1987, during all the years before such extraordinary security precautions were taken during the commercial airline flights as they are today.
Although there were occasional bomb threats, security in commercial aviation was much more relaxed.
Cockpit doors rarely were locked.
Sometimes left open during flights, it was safe for the pilots to walk around the cabin, greet the passengers during the flight.
The pilots always checked with the cabin crew to see if there might be any VIPs on board.
Sometimes, if there was a VIP on the flight, the pilots were interested in talking to.
They'd simply invite that passenger to hang out with them in the cockpit and chat.
I remember those days.
My father used to tell me about some of the more interesting conversations and people they had met.
Now, here we go.
On one of my father's flights was one of the very well-known astronauts who had gone to the moon, Wally Shira.
Of course, all of the pilots were dying to talk to him, so he was invited to the cockpit.
It was during that conversation that the astronaut revealed something very interesting about the trips to the moon.
His trip, now I can't guarantee this, it's from a listener, of course, his trip and all the other lunar flights were always monitored by numerous groups of UFOs.
They were surrounded very, very closely by groups of UFOs that would accompany them for the entire trip.
The astronaut described their bright white lights that moved freely alongside the orbiter, which never left the proximity of the spacecraft.
The UFOs stayed next to them while they were orbiting the moon, continued to closely chaperone the spacecraft until it began to re-enter the Earth's atmosphere on the return trip.
My father told me the astronaut said the UFOs seemed to be very curious about where they were going, what they were doing.
He said that it is no secret to the astronauts.
They're all used to seeing them up there.
I've got a name here, but I will withhold it.
So there you go.
Take that for what it's worth.
We've heard that story from quite a number of people now, haven't we?
Polar bears are beginning to drown, and the receding Arctic glaciers have uncovered previously unknown islands in a drastic 2006 summer thaw, widely blamed on global warming, of course.
Signs of wrenching changes, wrenching changes apparent around the Arctic region due to unusual warmth.
The summer minimum for ice is usually reached between mid-September and early October before the Arctic freeze extends its grip.
We now know about, get this folks, three new islands this year that have been uncovered because the glaciers have retreated.
The largest, 300 by 100 meters.
So we're getting new islands.
On a trip this summer, we saw a couple of polar bears in the sea.
One of them looked to be dead.
The other one looked to be exhausted.
He said the bears had apparently been stranded at sea by the melting ice.
The bears generally live around the fringes of ice where they find it easiest to hunt seals.
NASA projected this week that Arctic ice is likely to recede in 2006 close to a recorded low in 2005 as part of a melting trend in recent decades.
Now we know that 2006 was the second warmest year in all record keeping.
The warmest, I think, was 2005.
Do you see some sort of pattern there?
A scientist said Thursday they have discovered an unusually large and light planet orbiting a star that could force them to re-examine theories about how planets are formed in the first place.
This one's very interesting.
They're always changing their minds about stuff.
The planet, that's science, I guess, dubbed HAT-P-1, get this, is roughly a third larger than Jupiter, but it only weighs half as much.
Astronomers with the Harvard Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics said that.
So this is solid info.
The planet about a quarter the density of water.
Good Lord, it's lighter than a giant ball of cork, according to Harvard-Smithsonian.
Lighter than a ball of cork.
How can that be?
HATP-1 revolves around its parent star once every 4.5 days in an orbit one-seventh of the distance from Mercury to the Sun.
Its parent star, one of a double star system, is about 450 light years from Earth.
That means 450 years of travel at the speed of light, which we can't do yet.
Scientists declare the planet, detected the planet rather, because light from its parent star dims when the planet passes in front of it.
Can you imagine, though, the planet is made of something that is actually lighter than cork?
I mean, that's absolutely amazing.
Predicting a mass extinction of the world's frogs, toads, newts, and salamanders, 50 international amphibian experts are sending out an unprecedented call for an urgent global mission to avert a cataclysm.
The plea published in today's edition of the journal Science is meant to be a wake-up call for a broader range of scientists and policymakers about threats to Earth's amphibians considered, listen carefully, canaries in the coal mine for all of nature.
Quote, for the first time in modern history, because of the way humans are impacting our natural world, we are facing the extinction of an entire class of organisms.
This is Claude Gaskin, a herpetologist with the Conservation International.
This is not the extinction of just a panda or a rhino.
It's a whole class of organisms.
Certainly, if we were impacting mammals, well, gee, we'd be taking this a lot more seriously, wouldn't we?
But, and I know that a lot of people are going to sit out there and say, well, who cares?
Come on.
I never really liked frogs anyway.
Salamanders, well, you know, who cares?
You better care.
And I certainly care.
Because if they go, eventually, ladies and gentlemen, we go.
They're very much like the canary that the miners would carry into the mine.
You just simply cannot stand back And allow the extinction of species like these because of something we're doing here on the planet and not imagine that eventually it's going to impact the mammals that are producing the problem.
Nature does not get angry.
Nature doesn't get angry.
It just gets even.
And by that, what I mean is that it just sort of waits, I guess, until there's a large imbalance in what's going on on our globe.
And then it does something to correct that balance.
Now, unless we all want to be part of that correction, and it will be a rather severe correction, I can assure you, we better get off our duffs internationally and do something about it.
From Southeast Asia, Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
All right.
If you've got something that'll rock and roll us a little bit, then by all means, pick up the phone, join us.
Those are the numbers.
Love to have you do it.
We're about to enter open lines, and that means anything goes.
Okay.
The one about opening your car may not be true.
People are writing to me saying it's not true.
And actually, it makes sense that it would not be true, if you think about it a little bit.
The newer, this probably worked at one time, the newer remotes use RF, and that RF is not going to pass through the audio of a older ones, it would have worked, but the new ones using radio frequency are not going to go through a cell phone.
There's just no way.
So you're probably right about that.
In the older days, it probably would have worked.
The other ones absolutely do work.
And the one I really like is the 15-digit code.
That one's really cool.
Star crosshatch06 crosshatch, right?
And you get a 15-digit code.
So somebody steals your phone, you call up and give that to your provider, and they shut the damn thing off.
So, you know, they'll sit out there cursing.
They stole your phone.
They deserve everything they get.
So, in fact, the rest of them, all except apparently the one to get remotely into your car, are absolutely valid.
I suppose give them a try.
We'll be right back.
Okay, and just for the record, I use the little term crosshatch, and that confuses some people.
It's a number sign.
It's right across from the star.
So, for example, let me give these to you again very quickly, all right?
I got this just before airtime, so there was not time to put all of this on the website.
The emergency number is 112.
I'm sure you all got that right.
Any cell phone, anywhere, any network, even with a locked, even if you've got a locked keypad.
And then let me give this other one to you.
How to get the number so if it gets stolen, you can disable it and really tick off the thief.
You do star, number sign, 06, number sign.
I said crosshatch.
So star, number sign, 06, number sign, and you'll get a 15-digit code.
And if it gets stolen, you can just give that to your provider.
And then the, let's see, hidden battery power.
I really like this one.
I hope it's true.
Nokia, you've got a secret battery in a Nokia phone, and you can get to it by putting star 3370 number sign.
It says your cell will restart, and the reserve will show a 50% increase in battery life.
Now, if that's true, it could obviously save your life.
Really cool stuff.
So for what it's worth, there it is.
The other one, I guess, is old and doesn't work with newer RF-type door openers.
I just wanted to first say before I get to my question, in light of things that have happened lately in your life in the recent year, I would say, it seemed right when you came back, you were a little tentative to tell people, yeah, I'm going to the Philippines and this is what my life is, and to hell with you if you don't agree with it.
I honestly used that in my very own life to do something quite similar.
And I wanted to thank you for at least being open and honest with people and saying, this is my life, you know, take it or leave it.
And I couldn't applaud you more on you doing that.
I don't know any other way to, I don't, I honestly know no other way to deal with everybody here.
I've always been honest with the audience, even in my personal life.
And so, yeah, that's basically what it boiled down to.
I tried to explain as best I could to everybody.
I've had some, you know, I've lived long enough.
I'm 61 years old now, and I've lived long enough to have had an awful lot happen to me.
And it did boil down to that.
And it was kind of either move forward with my life or just sort of stay there and fade away.
And that's what would have happened.
So I just, you know, I did what I've always done in my life.
I turned it upside down.
unidentified
Unbelievable.
I'm living in Detroit now, and within a month, I'll be in Honolulu, Hawaii, doing somewhat close to what you've done.
Nothing on the same level.
I'm not trying to make light of my situation, but I just wanted to thank you for what you did by that because I honestly thought that would be the end when I heard the news.
I thought, well, for sure he's not going to, you know.
And then to hear you from Manila doing this for your listeners, it's a great service.
And I can't tell you how many nights that night you made me like settle down and relax and go to bed.
With all the problems I had, I got to think about quarks or, you know, the third moon that might be around the further planet.
I mean, it was very, very therapeutic.
But beyond all that, thank you.
But I just have a quick question.
I had a mental picture when you were in the desert of, and after seeing the special, actually, of your, quote, compound, I'm curious where you are right now in terms of are the shades pulled?
Do you try and keep it darker now?
I know you used to say this is where we do our best work.
All right, East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Yeah, all right.
Dave, David Allen on New York.
You know, with this global warming thing and that, did anybody ever think with all these satellite dishes and all these cell phones all around the world that that could contribute to heating the atmosphere?
I hadn't thought about it, but it's something I guess to think about.
I really don't know the answer to it, sir.
unidentified
I got it from you because I remember, you know, because I've listened to you for a long time, and you were saying about that time that you had your leg next to a satellite dish, and you were going to, it felt like it was going to burn it right off.
And like I said, with all these dishes going around, and then you got HARP up there in Alaska with actually what you're saying has, I think, some merit to it, and I'm going to give it some thought.
unidentified
Yeah, and it's just like with sonar in the oceans that are driving the whales out and bleeding their ears and everything else because the sonars, you know, they think that's the sonar driving them out of the water.
I was wondering if you have heard of micro-launchers.
I had an email sent to you some time ago, and then I sent one earlier.
This is an attempt to develop one-pound spacecraft for the purpose of exploring, say, near-Earth objects and so on in large quantity, and to develop sort of a cultural system somewhat like that which surrounded the development of microprocessors and PCs.
Using today's technology, it is possible to develop a...
And using diode lasers and other components now readily available, you can keep track of the spacecraft and do things like take pictures of near-Earth asteroids, and then later, with more sophisticated development, provide it with enough propulsion to match velocity with some of these and even touch them.
Let's see, just on the 13th of this month, won't pass the Earth at a relative velocity of only 0.58 kilometers a second.
That is about three times the speed of sound if there was sound out there.
And that's very, very easy to reach.
The amount of propulsion required is barely that beyond escape.
It does seem to me, and I'm sure it seems to you as well, that there are all of these ideas and all of these things that we could be trying and doing and developing.
But according to yesterday's guest, NASA really isn't doing that.
They've got one direction only, And they're following that.
And I'm not really comfortable with that.
And I guess you're not either, huh?
unidentified
Not at all.
This idea is that you simply have to ignore what NASA's doing and proceed.
It's as if we are in the I was using the term mainframe era of space exploration.
In other words, everything is locked up into large, expensive systems which are very exclusive, just like computers used to be 30 years ago.
And it is possible to develop a culture and organizations of people entirely outside of NASA built around what is technically feasible now.
On my website, I have a link to a guy that built a model airplane that weighs one gram complete.
Hi, I have a fascinating theory about UFOs that combines Dr. David Jacobs' theories with Matthew Alper and Richard C. Hogwarts.
In short, let me get right to it.
I think the aliens, UFOs, inspired the Bible, the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the Koran as an evolutionary scientific experiment to see if we could hopefully avoid a worldwide nuclear war, religious warfare.
And see if we can hopefully use our left brain, our logical, rationalist, scientific, analogous side of our brain to override the God part of our brain.
And I think that also the Dr. Lear devices, the devices that Dr. Lear has put, the implants, the implants of peoples, are very small, be me up Scotty devices that can change the human body's matter into energy.
And if we do have a nuclear war, beam these people to their planet.
Okay, I appreciate the call, and I will consider it.
But I must tell you, you know, the memories and sometimes the nightmares from that war kind of keep me away from making the final decision.
From Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
It is indeed.
Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you are in the world, the world covered ever so well by this program, Coast to Coast AM.
Listen, just before introducing my guest, Philip Gardner, coming up in a moment, I'm going to remind all of you that I love hearing from you.
So if you have an opportunity, by all means, drop me a line.
I am Artbell at AOL.com, or preferably, I think, artbell at mindspring.com.
That's A-R-T-B-E-L-L, all lowercase at A-O-L.com, or the big one, artbell at mindspring.com, M-I-N-D-S-P-R-I-N-G.com.
In a moment, Philip Gardner, he's got a master's degree in strategic marketing and nine diplomas ranging from personal management through holistic medicine and the craft of etymology before retiring to dedicate his time to researching and writing.
Philip was a marketing director.
He was owner of a company in the UK.
Part of this role included giving lectures on the art and history of marketing and propaganda to various organizations, including certain government bodies and companies.
Philip is the author of Proof, Does God Exist?
That's a good one.
And The Shining Ones, the world's most powerful secret society revealed.
He also had a program produced in Scotland called, I believe, Icon.
Philip uses history, mythology, symbolism, and his own expertise of propaganda.
That's interesting in itself to prove his theories.
Coming up in a moment, Philip Gardner.
Philip Gardner, I would like to welcome you, my friend, to the Program.
It's probably the darker side of marketing, if you like, because at the end of the day, it's just marketing.
It's just being able to use those skills of how to get a point, a product, whatever, service across to somebody by understanding them.
And, you know, it's psychology at the end of the day.
It's knowing about a person, what their age, their sex, their orientation, all kinds of different things about a person.
And then using that to use the right means to get the message across to them.
So if you're going to go for a child or you want to try and sell a toy, for instance, you make sure that you use lots of primary colours and primary shapes, crisp, clear noise sounds, and nice happy music, that kind of thing.
It's pretty simple and straightforward when you do start to break it down.
I came to it really because of, say, three things.
Firstly, in the first proper job that I ever had, there was two guys there that highly influenced me.
One of them was deeply into history.
He was a member of the Sealed Knot in England, which is Civil War reenactment.
And the other guy was in the Lord Byron Society.
So it was pretty deep into Byron, Keith, Shelley, all that stuff, who were deep thinkers.
And so the two major influences for a really young man at that time were his history and the deep thinking.
All the time I'm trying to do the job, but that influenced me a lot.
And as I moved on, I moved up the company and then I started to do this, the marketing degree and various other things.
And so involved in marketing is trying to understand psychology.
And so you get into the mind in a different way too.
And so I think all of that tying into knowing history and then realizing that history is probably the biggest lie on the planet, the history books that we've got, it kind of opens your eyes and you want to know the truth.
You know, and even before that, the propaganda machine's in process making the winner, you know, making either side appear to be the winner beforehand anyway.
And they led me to this, you can get this, this is not no bullshit.
They lead me to this black Mercedes car and drive me out of Berlin to to discuss this holy theme, which these two were claiming to be um quite high up in.
And we ended up in this cafe, which looked perfectly ordinary on the outside.
But when you got inside, I couldn't believe it.
I was seeing those pictures of Hitler and Himmler and Hess and everybody all over the wall and a bar at the end with these blonde-haired, blue-eyed guys.
And they did everything according to the research that I'd done on the Venn.
They turned their forks inwards on the table, which was a sign of Holy Venn.
Well, today they're really kind of a neo-Nazi organisation, really, who just think that Germany should be great again and that it's pathetic that they've joined Europe in the way that they have, etc., etc.
But in the past, the whole idea was that Westphalia in Germany was particularly in trouble from roving marauders and people coming back from crusades who were just robbing people left, right, and centre.
So these supposedly good people got together and created the holy van to do judgments, to take people out into the woods and who they discovered doing bad things.
And nobody really ever was found innocent.
And the judgment was normally very swift and meant death.
My God, Philip, isn't infiltrating a group of the kind you just described that, as you point out, doesn't do a lot of court appeal work and that sort of thing, isn't that awfully dangerous?
In other words, they find you out and you're in the woods and dead.
Well, obviously the Freemasons that everybody knows full well exist, but do they know that there are other groups within the Freemasons that nobody ever writes about?
Which, you know, these people actually sit there and do talk about their various products and commercial things that they've got going on and how to manipulate markets and all those kind of things.
That actually is going on.
And I've been in those meetings and I've seen them.
So there's that kind of thing.
And then there's the Knights Templar.
Most people know that there are modern versions of the Templars, especially like the one that Alistair Crowley was one of the founders of the OTO and those kind of things.
But a long, long time ago, there was an old guy that contacted me and he basically said, you know, Philip, I'm a member of an organization and I have to...
What we do is we pass it on in the will.
And this way, the lodge or temple is always the same size.
It's always a number of 13.
And I'm getting old and I'd like to pass it on to you.
And I'm like, right, okay.
Let me give me some time to think about this.
And before I had a chance to think about it, the guy had died.
He was 86 years old.
And he fell downstairs and he just couldn't survive it, I'm afraid.
So before I had any choice in the matter, I was contacted by a lawyer.
And apparently I'd been left a nice painting and membership of this organisation which called themselves the Knights of the Temple.
And so I kind of went along.
I was ten years younger than I am now, only 27 years old.
And I wanted to see what it was all about and went along to the initiations, which was fascinating.
It looks very much like a bomb shelter in the back garden.
And at the far end of this hall, there's a really big sort of velvet curtain with this ugly goat's head sticking out of the centre, just dripping.
I mean, it was a real goat.
Its flesh was just dripping and it stunk.
And the guys have stood either side of me in their white robes with the swords, blah, blah, blah, going through all these different rituals that they have to go through and blessing the sword and kiss and spitting on the cross and various other things.
Yeah, one of the things you have to do is spit on the cross.
Okay.
There you go.
But the last thing was to, I was told that the goat's head at the end was called Baphomet, which is the head that the Templars used to worship.
And I was told to go and kiss the backside of Baphomet.
I had to walk down to the end of the hall and go behind this curtain and kiss the backside of this disgusting-looking goat, which was just disease-ridden.
Well, you know, you have to battle down the laughs as you're doing it as well, because it's so humorous to see these rich businessmen doing these ridiculous things.
So anyway, I went to the, I thought I'm going to go through with this because this is, you know, if this is the first bit, what's the rest like?
This is going to be real fun.
And so I got to the end of the curtain.
And, you know, you're showing allegiance to the Grand Master by doing this.
You're showing deference to the guy.
And that you can be disciplined and that you'll follow the rule.
It gets behind the curtain.
And there is, instead of a disgusting goat sticking out of this thing, there's actually a naked woman.
Well, you know, the Templars or the Knights of the Temple, they've had many names over the time, and it's evolved over time.
It's changed slightly.
And there is some evidence to suggest that they go back much further than history books tell us.
But these were called the Knights of the Temple.
How old they were is anybody's guess.
There's no telling.
They could have recreated themselves back in the 1920s for all I could discover.
But the next kind of levels are just very psychological processes.
And you're admitted in so far, but then as they're discussing things, you're discussing basically things that Junging psychologists wouldn't have a problem with.
I mean, after going through all of this, there must have been some really good secret somewhere at some levels of the Knights of the Temple, or why even bother?
No, well, you know, that's the beauty of it, because once you get in there, what you actually find is that all these symbols and things that they've got all relate back to simple psychology, just the methods of self-improvement, etc.
And really, today, it's just boys' clubs.
They just use it to just get on in business most of the time.
I mean, doing a talk show of the sort that I do, Philip, you can well imagine I've been accused of being all sorts of things and belonging to all of these groups.
And I've sort of stopped denying it because there's no point.
If you deny it, then there's all the more reason to believe that Art Bell really does belong to these things.
But, you know, some of these guys are multi-millionaires.
So, yeah, you know, work out for yourself whether it's right that people in there, multi-millionaires, are discussing things with people who then turn out to be politicians later on in life.
Secret societies, what we're talking about right now, the Holy Venn was the first one, and then Knights of the Temple.
And Knights of the Temple is, in some way, terribly disappointing.
The Venn, he said, would take people out to the woods, pass judgment, and then execute immediately.
That one's very serious.
I wouldn't fool with that.
Knights of the Temple, that's, I guess, not so serious as people imagine, or perhaps Philip didn't get to all of it.
He said, basically, it's a bunch of millionaires getting together to, I guess, make more money.
So I suppose that has worthy aspects to it, even if you have to kiss the whatever.
But we'll be back.
Listen, we're going to get things like the Da Vinci Code and whether Jesus and Mary married and questions like that are coming up.
So stay right where you are.
Okay, we've got some disagreement here, Philip.
Here's a couple of them.
Larry in Rapid City says, sir, I'm a Knights Templar.
And I went on up through the degrees.
I'm a Christian, would never bow to the devil or a representative of a goat's head or anything.
We've been around for a thousand years.
We are for our Lord Jesus Christ at all times.
And Stephen in Genoa Alaska says, Dear Art, please don't let uninformed guests like this start bashing the Freemasons with their ridiculous initiation stories.
Well, it wasn't initiation of the Freemasons, it was Knights of the Temple in this case, right?
Well, you know, Freemasons was not what we were talking about for starters, so that's the second one.
And the first one, there are several Knights Templar organisations around the globe, and those that guy is obviously part of the ones that, you know, worship that are Christians, so that's fine.
But, you know, he wasn't with me, and, you know, simple as that, really.
All right, is there scientific evidence for the healing elements of venom and blood of the snake?
Because you've got a new book called The Serpent Grail, so one would assume that the venom of the snake for this particular group is in some way healing.
Well, The Serpent Grail, basically, there's a few things to it, and it was to try and discover the truth behind the Holy Grail, and especially the elixir of life.
And one night I was in bed with my wife one night, one o'clock in the morning, reading a book, and she turned to me and she says, do you know that snake venom has been found to boost the immune system?
And because I'd been so deeply entrenched in alchemy and all those kind of things for a couple of years, something sparked in my brain.
And I had to run downstairs and for just days and days afterwards, I went through everything.
And two years later, I wrote The Serpent Girl with Gary Osborne.
And what we discovered was that snake venom and blood, when mixed together, actually forms an incredible immune-boosting system for the body.
And that basically stops you from catching diseases and all kinds of different things.
Well, no, there are different kinds of snake because there's the hematoxic snakes, obviously, which can cause coagulation of the blood or anticoagulants, which makes the blood flow more.
And there's the neurotoxic snakes, which affect the nervous system.
Both kinds of venom have got different elements of protein in them.
we tested the anticoagulant versions of the snake venom which were found to be hugely beneficial when orally taken in specific mixes and we don't...
I was just going to say, we didn't put in the book what kind of snake or what mixes because I'm personally an animal lover and I don't want any animals harming.
And secondly, I don't want people to go and start messing about with snake venom and suing me basically for getting themselves in trouble.
These things were mixed with quite specific quantities of blood or alcohol.
And in fact, the whole part of the snake, all parts of the snake, were used and still are used for various healing things, such as the skin is used to heal dermatological problems and that sort of thing.
So it's just a very ancient thing, the worship of the snake and the use of the snake physically for healing parts of the body.
But there are many reasons why the snake seems to have been worshipped, not least of which being an internal mental process.
Well, that's still open for debate at the moment, but the scientists are really excited by it and they're spending an awful lot of money looking into it.
So it's really open for debate.
All we can say is that it has been found in ancient medical materia, in alchemical texts, and in texts from India in particular, which is, you know, the real home of serpent worship.
So, you know, it's not at this moment...
They just say it is incredible.
And there are several people that claim to have lived extended lives because of it.
Has anybody actually looked into at what age these people passed away, whether it was at least past the average, or is there any way to prove that the claims have any validity at all?
Well, you know, the original term for the Holy Grail, kapa, K-P-A, meant mixing bowl.
And one of the greatest etymologists that I have certainly known, Sir Walter Skeet, said that it was the term Holy Grail, Sangraal, was very early falsified.
Now he didn't say accidentally changed, he said falsified.
So he's implying that somebody on purpose changed the term to mean royal blood or holy blood, which is where we get all this Dan Brown, Da Vinci Code and Holy Blood, Holy Grail stuff from.
And he said, you know, what it really meant was mixing bowl.
And that related entirely to the things that we were finding, not just the mixing of the venom and the blood, but also the Hindu thing known as the Kundalini, where you're probably aware of the Kundalini, where there are supposedly twin serpents that rise up your spine and converge at chakra points upon your body.
And this is supposed to be some kind of energy which raises to the chief point in your head, in your skull.
And what we found was that these skulls in India in particular were turned upside down and gilted and used for the drinking of blood and for the mixing of this venom blood.
So that seems to be what became the holy grail because the Scythian race in particular came into England with the Romans and via such likes as the Hindu bringing these kind of Hindu concepts with them and bringing various other concepts which have merged into the Arthur myth.
And it's quite possible that this could have given us the original Holy Grail.
And it's certainly possible that it is merged with pagan myths of the cauldron and those kind of things.
So it's quite complex how it's actually got into the Orthurian legend, but it certainly all stacks up.
Well, at the moment, the best thing to do is to wait for the scientists because they are actually quite a way down the road on this.
They have been at this a few years now.
So they are getting somewhere.
And what they're trying to do is break down the protein structure of this venom so that they can actually get it into some sort of form that we can take rather than actually extracting venom because it's a very expensive and long-winded process to do that.
So they're looking at how to manufacture it artificially.
And I know, because I'm in touch with one of the guys who keeps telling me, you know, we're pretty close now.
Maybe in a year or two years we should be getting to a point where we'll be doing trials.
I would think the church would not be all that happy about this because after all the serpent from a religious point of view has always been regarded not exactly in a great way.
There are said, Philip, to be a secret vault and secret areas below the Vatican where a lot of the kind of information you're talking about right now is stored and kept.
Well, first of all, Gnosis, it's a Greek word, and it's much deeper than the word knowledge.
Most people say, oh, it means knowledge.
But it actually originally means the direct mystical experience of the divine in the self.
And that's quite a deep statement for one small word.
That's the English language, you see.
The English language fails miserably sometimes.
So Gnosis actually is quite a deep thing.
And so the mystical experience in the self, that in itself is a really, really deep thing.
But how does that relate to the Temple of Solomon?
Well, I've spoken to loads and loads of archaeologists and historians, and the only ones that tell me that Solomon's Temple actually existed are the ones that are aligned to either a Christian or a Jewish base.
Most of the independent archaeologists that I've spoken to say, well, do you know, Philip, there's just no evidence to say that it was ever there.
What's there is the Temple of Jerusalem.
We have no idea if Solomon's Temple was ever there.
At that period in time, there's just no evidence for it.
And so you have to ask yourself, well, it's been written about.
We have exact dimensions.
We have the whole story of Solomon And Sheba, and all the other things that go along with it, what does it really mean?
And what it really means is exactly what the Gnostics, the early Gnostics, which came out of this stuff, which were derived from the Essene and various other sects, are talking about.
And it's a work on the self, it's a method of balance and an ancient psychology.
And it really is very, very deep.
And, you know, for instance, we've got the Gnostic Gospel, the Gospel of Thomas, where Jesus says to people, for whoever does not know self does not know anything.
But whoever knows self already has acquired knowledge about the depth of the universe.
And that's deep, that knowledge of the depth of the universe.
So they're talking about something extremely deep.
And in the book, I basically go along and say, what are they talking about here is the enlightenment experience.
It's the experience of the inner self when you can call it altered state of consciousness, you can call it many other things, but it's a mystical experience.
And it's an experience of total knowledge and total oneness.
And that's what everybody has this experience relates to.
The problem with that experience, Philip, is that when you're having it, you really do feel as though you know everything.
You feel as though you are at one with the universe.
But then after the experience is over, you cannot, at least I was unable to, and other people I've talked to also were unable to relate in any meaningful way that knowledge beyond saying, you know what, for a minute there, I knew it all.
For a minute there, I was connected to the entire cosmos and I sort of understood everything.
So if I actually had a conscious memory of the experience, Philip, I would absolutely be able to come up with some words to describe it other than what I did.
And when I was out of my body, I once had an out-of-body experience.
And during that very brief, or at least it seemed extremely brief period, because I was scared as hell and I just popped right back into my body.
During the time that I was out, Philip, I was at one with the universe.
I knew it all.
I knew the answer to everything.
But honestly, Philip, I can't go beyond those words in telling you anything meaningful about that experience other than that.
Well, you know, that's exactly what's been told to me a hundred times.
It's exactly the same thing, you know, but these people...
Well, exactly.
You know, Gopi Krishna, you've obviously heard of Gopi Krishna, who says the same thing.
He says, you know, at the end of the day, science can say that it's a biological electromagnetic reaction with inside of the head which causes these delusional aspects.
Well, absolutely.
But if the process occurs, it's got to have some sort of bioelectrical process.
The question is, getting to a quantum state with this, going and talking to quantum theorists and saying, is this something else that can be going on here?
Can we be doing something else?
And what it could be, according to these quantum theorists, is that it could be quantum entanglement.
And that's the beauty of it, because now we have a new explanation, and that's what's in the book, is the explanation that it could possibly be here, quantum entanglement.
And that's incredible, because that means these theoretical other dimensions that they speak about in the quantum world, especially people like James Gardner, who says that, for instance, he says that intelligence is actually programming the structure of evolution and has done from the start.
And that that structure is sending the message back, like DNA, into itself.
So it's kind of evolving itself all the time.
These are scientists.
This is a peer-reviewed guy who was saying things like this.
And quantum entanglement is where our particles entangle with other particles.
Philip, Heidi in Daytona Beach, Florida, referring to the Knights of the Temple, says, isn't it possible that they staged an artificial front to fool Philip, since they full well knew what his intent was from the beginning?
I don't actually see personally much evidence for them being the people that we are told in the Bible in literal form like that.
No, because, like I say, Jesus is based upon so many ancient myths, including solar deities, that it's difficult for me to actually pin him down as an actual real person in all of that.
Well, actually, the book, it's a fairly simple book, and all it does is outline all the evidence that everybody ever puts forward for these things and a few other little bits.
And then it's not a cop-out or anything.
It basically went to a jury and said, well, this is all the evidence that everybody gives us for God, and this is the evidence people give us against.
Let's let the jury decide whether there's a God or not.
They just didn't see enough evidence to say that there wasn't, really.
You know, their underlying belief systems or whatever it was from their own backgrounds just stated that there must be something that started it.
And whether that's because we're a being that has a beginning and an end and therefore we cannot see something that goes on forever, we cannot perceive that, I don't know.
Well, the shining ones has just been released, actually, been rewritten by me and Gary.
And what we do is we point out this Enlightenment experience, basically, the shining, which gives us the term, which they gave themselves the term, the Shining Ones, way back in Mesopotamia.
So it's a very, very ancient thing.
And that concept of the Enlightenment has fed forward in time into the different religions and has been the progenitor of those religions.
As I mentioned as I came into this segment with you, Philip, I'm pretty much of a hard science guy.
I'm not into the kind of thing that you're into so much here.
I think the snake business, the snake venom business probably has some merit.
As a matter of fact, I'm getting a lot of fast blasts of people who say, oh, you know, my grandfather used to take snake heads and put them in a bottle of some kind of rum or something and drink, and there was some benefit to it.
But otherwise, where are we going with all this?
You've done a lot of writing and you've written a lot of books.
And what have you uncovered that's solid that you know that you can tell us?
I mean, you know, we've discovered that in ancient times there was a serpent cult all over the world.
That to me is, I think that's profound because I'm not the first to discover it, but I'm the first one to actually come out and say it without any bias.
In Victorian times, several historians actually discovered it, but unfortunately, their mouths were closed in many different ways.
And so the history books that they wrote were very Christianized.
So you have to be careful with what they say and believing what they say.
So I'm not the first, and we've got backing from many historians who say, well, yeah, they are everywhere.
You go to Crete, we've got the Minoan serpent cult there.
You go to Egypt and you've got this Uraus serpent coming out of the brow and it's worshipped all over the place, from South America to even Australia.
So the serpent is a really, really important figure in all of this.
I guess you've got a DVD and a book, Secrets of the Serpent, so it's not just a book, Insert of the Sacred Past, Secrets of the Serpent, is that correct?
Yeah, there's actually, for the Gnosis that's just come out, there's a DVD that's come out with that as well, which is just getting rave reviews amazingly from everybody, which is great.
And we've got some really big American bands on there, like Marty Playground as well, playing music on it, which it's really come together fantastic.
It really has.
And Secrets of the Serpent, just to basically reiterate all of this to people and to say, look, go through all this serpent information all around the world and what it relates to.
And so there's a book and DVD of that as well, yeah.
Have you yourself, Philip, come to the conclusion that there is no religion, you know, organized religion presently on earth that is specifically correct?
That there probably is a God, as your jury suggested looking at the evidence, or some sort of overall organization or intelligence behind our being.
Trust me, as somebody who's made three fast flights across the Pacific Ocean, I know exactly what you mean.
I appreciate that.
So all of this also seems to boil down to the Kundalini experience, that unusual experience that none of us can seem to explain.
You say there are some who believe that they have the ability now to explain it, who have dissected that experience and can consciously recall and put into words what that experience means and answer the questions that it provided in that instant of clarity.
I think a lot of the time because they can't understand what he's saying.
And that's one of the points that he's either putting his writing in as kind of an obscure language on purpose or he's putting it that way because there's no idea how else to put it.
But he had the experience beyond all doubt.
And he said, it is essentially different from real life.
It has its scenery, its friends, its memories, and in that life one possesses without doubt faculties belonging to other forms and other worlds.
One meets again loved beings whom one has never known on this earth.
Those who are dead are seen alive again.
One is carried along in the air.
One walks on water.
And he's going through all the different processes.
One believes in oneness.
One has huge knowledge, etc.
And he's trying to outline all the things and all the feelings that he had whilst in that experience.
And, you know, if there's a scientific truth behind this, if it is quantum entanglement, if that can be the thing that can explain it, then we ought to listen to what these people were saying about what they're experiencing in there, because it may answer an awful lot of the paranormal questions that we've got.
And I'm not saying that Gnosis does that because I don't want to sell this book to people on a false premise.
This book doesn't do that.
This book is about the psychology behind all of this and how it helps us as individuals to empower ourselves.
But my question on your show is, and I think that this will explain a lot of the paranormal.
If this is quantum entanglement and that is an amazing science, then it will explain the other dimensional activity, ghosts, maybe, even alien visitations in an awful lot of ways.
So I think it's a real drive that I've got right now from this moment onwards with this new information is to use this information to go and find out.
You know, I can't say to you that I have had this full-blown out-of-body experience, but I've had moments where I have sat there and I have just completely known, and within a second it's gone.
And it's felt so incredibly profound that you know exactly what I mean by that.
Yes, and it may explain a very great deal of, as you point out, the paranormal ghosts that people see, beings that sort of come and go and have the ability to do things that any normal mammal, for example, ought not do.
Well, Bigfoot is a good example.
They're seen and then they're not seen.
They just suddenly disappear.
Craft in the air that are seen and suddenly disappear.
All these things, Philip, that may be from elsewhere just cannot be explained in any other way.
This may be one way to explain them.
I wrote a book myself that tried to put all of this together.
It never quite got to quantum entanglement, but that was a year when quantum entanglement really had not yet been discussed.
So what I'm going to do is I'm going to let you rest.
You've obviously had a very, very long time of it here trying to get adjusted.
I know what those flights are like, Philip.
And I'm going to thank you for being here, and I hope that people do go and buy your DVD and take a look at your book and see what they get out of it, because it is, I guess it's, you know, maybe with you I ought not use the word the God experience, but that's, for lack of a better word, that's what it is, isn't it?
We're going to take the time with the balance of the program this night, I think, and go to Open Lines.
How about that, folks?
So that means anything you want to talk about at all, anything that pops into your mind that you think the rest of the world, and it literally is the rest of the world listening, would be interested in, we're open for it.
Open lines are always fun.
I absolutely enjoy them because you never know what you're going to get.
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That's been the basis of this program, actually, since it really began.
We used to do almost all open lines.
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unidentified
Hi, Ark.
This is George from Fosteria, Ohio.
Hello, George.
Last week, you announced private findings of the ingredients of the chemtrails.
I'm a victim of Agent Erange already.
When I heard this, all that went through my mind was more crimes against humanity.
Someone's got to be accountable.
Is there anybody like Linda Howe to have an investigate this?
I imagine the whole industrial complex that we were warned about in the first place now.
Yeah, there were all kinds of terrible, just cancers and viruses and, God, it was just metals, hard metals, heavy metals, that sort of thing.
But you have to imagine that an awful lot of this is probably running around in our atmosphere anyway.
I'm not saying that that would not be the specific ingredients in chemtrails.
I have no idea.
The latest story I've had on chemtrails is that people are not seeing as many of them as they once were.
However, I would imagine if you took a sample of the air, now this was some weird kind of gel, sort of a sparkly gel, if you recall, that settled down on everything in this immediate area that contained that sort of thing.
But I would bet, and this is just an idle kind of bet, that if you were to look at the ingredients on any dew-filled morning, in other words, dew that had sifted through the atmosphere, you would find all kinds of disagreeable things in it.
Very much the way have you ever, in school, taken some normal tap water and simply, or mud puddle water is even better, and put that under a microscope and taken a look?
It'll cause you not to want to drink water for days and days and days.
And that does bring up something kind of interesting.
What to us would be the difference between an angel and an alien?
Not very much, really, if you consider it.
An angel and an alien both would appear to us as magic or as the right word, Ethereal beings of some sort.
And I don't know that as humans, with no frame of reference whatsoever, that we would have the ability to delineate between an angel and an alien, particularly when they said, in essence, that they were both, right?
Art, I wanted to make a comment in regards to the gentleman that you just had on that was speaking about his alleged encounter with religion and religious groups.
I'm angry over the fact that he denies the fact that the sacred heart of Jesus Christ was a real person on this planet.
And I want your listeners to know that I and probably many others on this planet have had the opportunity in our lifetime to have visitations from angelic forces like the woman that was just speaking.
But I was very fortunate in 1990 and I had a visitation from the sacred heart of Jesus Christ.
That this generation will get to see the second coming.
How can you know that?
No man needs to know, right?
unidentified
Number one, number one, like I said, I had a visitation from the Sacred Heart of Jesus Christ in 1990.
I was told that this was the generation that was coming.
The Blessed Virgin Mary that has been appearing in Magic Gloria, Herzegovina, for the last 25 years, just in the last two and a half months, have given messages to the world saying that her son is about to return and this is the generation that will see him.
And out of 25 years, she's never made that statement before.
I am here to tell you and your listeners that the Son of God exists, that God exists, the sacred heart of Jesus Christ exists, and the Holy Spirit exists.
And what the Son of God told me that he wanted me to tell the world is that he says, do not be unprepared when I come.
And he is coming soon.
And he said that in my father's house there are many mansions, and I'm going to prepare a place for a prepared people in one of those mansions.
And I tell you, Art, the Son of God exists, and he comes this time as the lion with the authority from the Father to avenge the spilling of his blood.
And people should not believe the story that this gentleman was saying.
I'm going to have to hold it there, but I appreciate your call, and I'm kind of with you on a number of counts.
Number one, I tend to believe that, and I've done an awful lot of study myself, I tend to believe that Jesus was, in fact, a real being.
In fact, walked on earth as described.
I do believe that.
However, I have some questions about this fiery judgment.
And so, yeah, how can I put this?
I guess I can only use my own frame of reference.
When we're young, we're kind of stupid.
Wisdom comes with age.
It really does come with age.
And I wonder how a God, coming back with that kind of fiery judgment that he talked about, could judge an 18-year-old, a 20-year-old, a 25-year-old, the same way he could judge a 50-year-old or a 60-year-old.
Somebody who had been around long enough to begin to collect some wisdom and straighten out their life.
Many people are not given the opportunity to do that.
So there could not be a single frame of reference for a judgment of the kind he talked about.
The experiences are totally different like you've lived before, okay?
And you assume Through agreement to change places with someone, and from that experience forward, you realize who you are and who you have been in the past life.
That is to say that in lifetime after lifetime, and this was apparently once in the Bible, until the Council of Nicaea, right?
We are given the opportunity to move toward perfection when, in essence, we are then told we graduate and we no longer have to come back as mortal beings.
That's the way I've always heard it.
What has bothered me about the concept is that without the opportunity to consciously recall what we have experienced in a previous life, how is it to benefit us?
In what way are we benefited by past lives that we cannot remember?
In what way are we to correct our lives?
I hope you all are following me.
I've always wondered about this.
I don't deny that it might be possible, but it would take some extraordinary means to understand what we had done in a previous life and therefore correct it.
I've had the Kundalini up in my body for about 16 years now, and I can tell you from a very different vantage point than Philip how it feels and what happens consistently all the time.
At the initial activation point, it'll start in the tailbone.
And that tailbone will start to pulse or it will start to collect a lot of heat.
As the heat builds, a pressure will build.
And at a certain point, the kundalini will sweep up the spine, go up to the top of the head, expand at the top of the head, and sometimes come down to the brow points, which would be right between the eyebrows.
What this is, is it's a tremendous experience.
It's much, much more than an out-of-body experience.
It amplifies every part of the human nature.
It'll amplify your fears.
It'll amplify your loves.
It'll amplify the errors that you're making in life.
And the other caller that called up regarding Jesus, when you have this experience, the veil that separates the realities is somewhat thinned, somewhat lifted.
And many, I do teach the Kundalini.
I've been able to awaken Kundalini and other people using certain practices.
If you've had that experience, the difficulty that I had with it, Chris, was that while I can apply certain words to it, like all-knowing and this incredible, joyous experience, I can't answer any specific questions, any universal questions that none of us are really able to deal with here on earth, you know, about God or about our creation or about, you know, all these big questions that we all want to know about.
If I knew them in that instant, Chris, I don't know them now.
Randy in Pittsburgh, California, fast blasts me the following.
Hey, Art.
If we were able to remember all of our past lives, that would mean that we'd remember all of our past deaths as well.
That alone is a good enough reason for us not to remember every detail.
That's what the subconscious is for.
Good thinking, Randy.
That may be the answer, indeed, to reincarnation and why we don't remember.
Back in a moment.
All right, this experience that we've been talking about, Kundalini N-D-E, whether it's an out-of-body experience, whatever it is, this all-knowing, joyous, incredible experience that we can describe pretty much all of us in that way, but then never in any detail to answer questions.
Chris, who was my caller, says he can answer questions, and so I popped the big one at him.
What about the Big Bang?
Was the hand of God involved in the Big Bang, Chris?
I can't let you do that because in the past I've done that, and, you know, it's turned out to be some sort of girly website or something like that.
unidentified
Oh, no, no, no.
But I understand your safety.
There's another, and there's, besides, I'll answer the Big Bang question, but there's also public safety issues around the Kundalini that if we could also go into just briefly.
Okay, well, people who have out-of-body experiences are prone to having a kundalini experience if they choose to pursue it.
When I teach, you know, I encourage people to have out-of-body experiences, and there are certain techniques that you can use to get yourself out-of-body as well.
But with the kundalini and public safety issues, if you're doing drugs or if you're experimenting with the kundalini and not knowing what you're doing, you can really, really get yourself in a lot of trouble very quickly.
Chris, I wonder how many head-on collisions have been the result of kundalini experiences.
unidentified
Well, I've been able to put it down to percentages, to numbers, Art.
30% of the population that will have a Kundalini awakening and not know what it is will almost certainly commit suicide because they cannot reconcile the experiences they're having in their daily consciousness with, you know, they just can't reconcile it.
It just doesn't work when you're seeing angels or you're seeing demons or you're seeing things that are a mixture of both.
They can't handle it.
The other 33%, I'm sorry, 33, 33, and 33.
The second tier will know that something is wrong and they immediately self-admit to a hospital.
The hospital will take them into a psychiatric ward and feed them the largest tranquilizer they can have.
And that typically what that will do is that will just distort the kundalini in a way that it's extremely damaging, but it at least takes them off the street.
The third tier will understand they may not understand what's going on, but they'll explore it.
They'll look into it.
They'll go to yoga.
They'll go to a religion.
They'll go to books.
When it came up for me, there was nothing.
The website had, Or internet had just started, and so I didn't really, you know, I didn't really have a lot of, I had some really bad experiences with it at first before I could figure out how to work with it, surrender to it.
In line with the public safety issue, I need to warn people who feel like they're having a kundalini experience, they're having extreme headaches, their body is feeling very hot or very cold, alternatively, keep the tongue, the tip of the tongue, behind the mound of flesh right behind your upper front teeth.
This will connect the cranial circuit and allow energy that may be getting stuck in the top of your head to bleed down the sides of your neck.
And you described right down to the very last bit exactly what I experienced.
Those of you who have never had this experience, as I said earlier, I really can't, other than the words that he used to describe the feeling involved with it, I can't go beyond that.
I can't tell you that I learned any universal truths that I can bring back and tell you, like, yes, it was a hand of God, not a science head, or something like that.
I did not come back with any of that, but I did come back.
This experience occurred to me in Paris when I was on vacation many years ago, and I simply had a very instantaneous, unbeckoned, out-of-body experience.
And all of that was true, and all of what I'm telling you now is true as well.
So he's certainly on to something there.
That was a very, very interesting call.
First-time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
No, I'm sorry.
A wild card line.
unidentified
Hello.
My name's Colin.
And yes, I'm a first-time caller on the wildcard line.
About one of your callers that you had on before, you mentioned something about Mejigori.
And I happen to know a little bit about it because my mom's a fanatic about it.
And it just so happens that one of the Catholic bishop in that area has recently said that he believes it's all false.
And, you know, as it's none of it's approved by the Pope as it is.
And so it's just, I just wanted to mention that.
Now, about my question, it's actually kind of a comment, but I want it supplemented with your opinion.
I'm a 22-year-old, and I used to be very religious.
I was at one point I was in a Catholic seminary.
Now I'm having trouble, and I find myself, I'm not doubting God, but I'm very much sharing the sentiments of your guest you had on tonight about religion and just kind of feeling that these human religions are not for me.
And when he said it, I was just, you know, I felt a lot there.
And then I see, you know, what these Muslims are doing with suicide bombings.
So something, obviously, that was disturbing to him that shouldn't have happened in the seminary occurred.
Well, something like that, or as most of you know, I think some time ago, I lost my wife.
And there's a moment where you're tempted to be angry with God for something like that.
But in the end, it didn't turn out that way for me.
I guess it could have.
But I didn't get angry at God because I don't know his ways, and I don't know what's meant to be and what is not meant to be and what God has done and where God really does have his hand involved.
And I loosely use the name God.
I was just in China where Buddhism and Taoism were the two major religions.
It was very interesting.
Our guide, the guide who's taking us around Hong Kong said that during the week, he's a Buddhist, and during the weekend, he's a Taoist.
For those of you familiar with the religion, you might get a kick out of that.
Let's go to the international line and say hello there.
I'm asking you whether your girlfriend, sleeping next to you, noticed all this commotion.
unidentified
She didn't notice until after.
After I thought I was going to die, I thought I was going to die that night, Art.
I was feeling so this feeling of panic came over me, and I just kind of let go.
And right then, it was gone.
And I let out a scream, a scream, a yell.
And my girlfriend woke up, and she was laying next to me, and she was like, what's wrong?
Trying to console me at the time.
And she turned on the lights.
And I had physical, like, grab marks on my neck.
I don't know exactly how this is.
They weren't like fingerprints, but they were like, like, I don't know, some marks on my neck, but something was actually choking me or pressing against my neck hard.
And my girlfriend is really freaked out, too.
She didn't know what was going on.
She thought I was having a bad dream, but this was no dream art.
And thinking back on it, I was so surprised when it happened to me, and I was so shocked, and I was so completely asking a question would have been the furthest thing from my mind.
But I was in this place where, gee, as I explained, it's so inadequate.
The words are so inadequate.
During that instant, I knew it all.
I had access to every bit of information that's available on the face of the earth and even beyond.
I just knew it all.
I was in this wondrous place, this magical place, this joyous place.
And I just don't have words that go beyond that.
But I do recall I did not consciously ask a question.
In fact, I was so scared.
No, that's not the right word.
I was so shocked that I just returned to my body right away.
There are others who have ventured forth beyond that.
You know, your guest was hitting on something that I've dealt with pretty much all my life.
And that is that from my perspective, he was dealing with the fact that we live in a system, in a society, in a world where we're constantly in conflict and aggression.
And I've noticed that even on your show, and you mentioned it tonight, and on Mr. Norrie's show also, he has mentioned it, that we are a warrior species.
Well, you know, in the system and society that we are in, it teaches us to be a warrior species.
But I don't believe from my studies and from the knowledge that I have of the past, and certainly from the information that is coming in now, there is a lot of evidence to show that the antediluvian world was not a warring world.
People got along with each other.
But one of the points I wanted to make was that because of capitalism, and I have to hit on capitalism, because capitalism exists for aggression and conflict.
Aggression and perhaps conflict, though it doesn't have to be there.
Certainly aggression is part of it.
But capitalism is not inherently evil.
Remember, there's that free will as a bitch thing, right?
We'll be right back.
So, Kenny, it's not the economic system that's at fault here or producing all that behavior.
It's just the capitalism is just simply a big playground where free will has its Way.
unidentified
Well, I disagree, but that's not the point that I wanted to make.
I don't want to get into that now because I'm not a guest and we can't spend hours on this or whatever.
What the point I wanted to make was: we're talking about astral projecting, and we're talking about enlightenment and things like that.
To have enlightenment, to have astral projection, in this society, we don't see it as something as being something that we deal with every day.
We don't deal with it as being something that happens every day.
It's not an experience that people are used to.
But if we lived in a world that was at peace, that had the concepts and philosophies of peace, and I believe that to have peace in this world, you have to have a system that lives for peace with the concepts and philosophies of peace.
What I'm saying is to have peace, to have peace in the world, you have to have a system where you have to have the concepts and philosophies that are based upon peace.
Well, you mentioned capitalism, so it sounded like you were talking about economic system.
unidentified
Well, what I'm doing is what I'm saying is if we lived in a world that had peace, perhaps we would live in a world where astral projecting and gaining enlightenment were something that we would normally deal with, and we would learn how to deal with it as an everyday experience.
Anyways, I was just wondering why you're deciding to give up smoking after all these years, because, you know, I've been smoking since I was four and feel great, man.
Me and my bud, we used to steal our parents' pipes and cigars and, you know, go run around the creek and smoke that nasty cherry pipe tobacco or some cheap, you know, drugstore cigars.
But nowadays, I'm just on the pipe only and feeling pretty darn good.
I would recommend checking out some pipe tobaccos, specifically ones that have high oriental blend content in them.
And even if you just hand roll your cigarettes, and I'm being straight up with you, Art, you have one of those a day, and your nicotine content or nicotine kick is satisfied for two days.
Actually, if you listen carefully to Richard T. Hoagland, he's the one who really, I think, has a handle on the warming that's going on, not just on this planet, but on all the planets.
And he's suggesting that that warming is not an exterior influence, i.e.
not the sun, but it's something that's coming from inside the planets themselves.
And I don't totally dismiss that theory at all.
Could well be.
Let's move East of the Rockies to Betty.
Hello, Betty.
unidentified
Hi.
Hi, good to talk to you.
Your caller who had the experience when he was in bed and was being choked, that's actually quite a common experience.
I ran to let you know that the reasons that people do not know how to make decisions is because of the fact that many times society has to be responsible since they're in charge and they're supposed to be making all the decisions for these people.
They are making the decisions and these people do not have the opportunity to make the decisions for themselves.
You go to a simple thing as a dentist's office, and you do not have the opportunity to be able to interview the dentist, for instance.
And many times you're getting people who are not qualified in dealing with human beings.
They know how they're skillful in their art, but do not know how to treat people.
They feel that you must play games with them.
And if you do not play games with them and you're straightforward, then you find that a needle is running into your arm in a way in which you know very well that there's a problem.
These are the things that have been taking place in this society.
And people have to take responsibility.
When society set up systems with situations that causes people to get the wrong kind of effect, when you have sleazy pictures hanging all over the place, when you have computers where you have to get into the net and you find that all you could see is the worst pornographic films you can find anywhere.
These are the things that are causing people to behave irresponsible.
Children are having access to these things on the net.
Children are going into stores and they're seeing naked people.
But I mean, after all, you are pretty much in control of your own computer.
So if you don't call up some nasty pictures, you usually don't get nasty pictures.
unidentified
Actually, many times you can fall into it without wanting to.
Yes, you can.
I am very ignorant of the net.
I'll tell you this straight out.
Why?
Because I do not go regularly.
I personally do not go.
I prefer my daughter to go.
So what I do is I ask her to go on the net.
She is just confused about what she's seeing on the net.
She's shown me different things that are taking place on the net.
And from what I saw, I am very disappointed that little children are going into the net.
And the same way my family falls into these places, the same way these children are falling into these places because they are really they are trying to have some fun and they're going and trying different things and then finding themselves into situations they should not be a part of.
Well, she's an adult right now, and she has been going through a great deal in our society with the rest of my family because of these same things that have been happening.
It's not just in the systems alone, outside in the public.
The people have really gone to the deep end.
A lot of them need a lot of help.
When you do not train children, and when the children become adults without being trained, they have bad thoughts.
They have situations that they cannot deal with.
They do not know how to confront situations.
They do not know how to deal with people.
Many of them are running and playing games with you, right, in public.
They run after your husband.
They run after you.
I mean, it's like a free-for-all.
Everybody's like playing, let's see who can go to bed with whom.
Yeah, I think we probably do each have the potential to experience it for at least a short time, but it's nothing that really lasts.
It's an experience, I guess it did change me in ways, but I don't think, for example, it would cause me to abandon capitalism.
And there have been people who have done that.
People who have abandoned everything.
I mean, they had an experience and they just throw everything away, everything concrete and real in their life, and go off and join something or another.
You know, in other words, it changes them to that degree.
How about Andy on the first time caller line?
Let's try that.
Andy, you're on the air.
unidentified
I'm doing great.
You've talked about this several times on your programs.
You go to a specialist, and if that doesn't satisfy you, then you probably travel to the United States and you find a doctor who has dealt with this disease and knows something about it.
Beyond that, I'm afraid I can't help you, particularly because we're out of time.
But the open lines really have been a blast.
Listen, I'm Art Bell at AOL.com, or I'm Art Bell at MindSpring.com.
I would love to hear from any and all of you.
In fact, I depend on you for many of the stories that I use here on the air.
So if you have an opportunity to fire me an email again, I'm Art Bell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L at mindspring.com.