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Sept. 17, 2006 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Philip Gardiner - Secret Societies and Ancient Thought

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	From the Southeast Asian capital city of the Republic of the Philippines, 7107 islands strong, Manila, this is Coast to Coast AM, and I'm Art Bell here to guide you through the weekend.
	It is my honor and pleasure to be guiding you through the weekend, and I have a lot of interesting, useful information for you this night, and then next hour, Philip Gardner will be here to talk of things that I don't know a whole lot about, actually.
	Secret societies, things like does God really exist?
	Well, I know a little bit about that.
	Not enough.
	The Da Vinci Code, I really want to know about that.
	Saw the movie, loved it.
	And so that'll be next hour.
	This hour, let us look at the world in a moment.
	Always a disturbing thing to do.
	There's never any good news in the world news.
	Never.
	First of all, though, tonight I'd like to have you take a look at my webcam.
	Yesterday I had a photograph of myself up there.
	We, as you know, or maybe don't know, took a little trip to Hong Kong, which is about an hour and a half from here in Manila by plane.
	Just an hour and a half, boop, over and back.
	Spent three days there and had a blast.
	And so tonight I put a picture of Aaron up.
	And the one thing that we did spurge on a little bit were a couple of Chinese dresses for Erin.
	She loves them, and I really love them, and you can see why.
	I put a picture of Erin up tonight in her little Suzy Wong dress.
	Chinese dress, and she loves it, and she does kind of look like Suzy Wong in it.
	How many of you ever saw that movie, Suzy Wong?
	It's going to run on HBO October 29th again.
	I know because we loved it, missed most of it, and we'll re-tape it on the 29th.
	Now, you might also want to take a look at the, by the way, that picture's a, there's a little arts webcam in the upper left-hand corner of coast2coastam.com, that's where it'll be.
	There's also a story that is very, very disturbing on coast2coastam.com right now, and it has to do with Big Brother.
	Big Brother, you know, we talk about these things, about Big Brother, and I think a lot of people don't believe them, and they go, aw, baloney.
	Well, take a good look at this.
	It is a picture, I believe, from England, the town of Middlesbrough or something in the UK that is.
	And Big Brother is not only watching now, but Big Brother now can talk back to you.
	In other words, you could be going down the street.
	Not only do they have cameras, but apparently they have people watching them for bad behavior.
	That's right, bad behavior, antisocial behavior.
	Things like littering, fighting, drinking, whatever, picking your nose, I don't know.
	Anyway, all of a sudden, you could be walking down the street, and the speakers would blare out at you, this is not an appropriate area for drinking, put it away.
	Or something more serious.
	Anyway, there's a picture, actually, a picture of it up there on the website right now.
	So I guess we really are moving into an era where Big Brother is going to take over, alright, the world.
	U.S.
	war prisoners, legal vacuum for 14,000, Baghdad.
	In the very few short years since the first shackled Afghan shuffled off to Guantanamo,
	the U.S. military has created a global network of overseas prisons.
	It's islands of highly secure, keeping 14,000 detainees beyond the reach of established
	law.
	Disclosures of torture and long-term arbitrary detentions have won rebuke from leading voices,
	including the U.N. Secretary General, the U.S. Supreme Court, but the bitterest words
	come from inside the system the size of several major U.S.
	penitentiaries.
	Bye.
	This is a big controversy in America, and I'm afraid that I'm on the side Of those, and I'm not certain, nobody's in favor of torture.
	However, if it means American lives, and frequently and most times it does mean American lives, causing somebody to be uncomfortable in some way or another in order to extract information from them seems to me to be a reasonable tactic in a very unreasonable world.
	Here's another one.
	U.S.
	holds AP photographer in Iraq for five months.
	Probably not reasonable.
	The U.S.
	military in Iraq has imprisoned an Associated Press photographer for five months, accusing him of being a security threat, but never filing charges or permitting a public hearing.
	Not good.
	Military officials said that Bilhal Hussein, an Iraqi citizen, was being held for imperative reasons of security under United Nations resolutions.
	AP executives said the news cooperative's review of his work didn't find anything to indicate appropriate contact with insurgents and any evidence against him should be brought to the Iraqi criminal justice system.
	The E. coli thing continues to spread.
	109 now.
	The number of people sickened by E. coli outbreaks traced to tainted spinach now at 109.
	So, federal officials announced more brands will be recalling their products.
	Quote, this is unquestionably a significant outbreak in terms of E. coli.
	That's Dr. David Arkeson, Chief Medical Officer with the Food and Drug Administration Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition.
	Pope Benedict said Sunday he is deeply sorry.
	So this is a upgrade apology.
	Deeply sorry for his remarks on Islam and violence offended Muslims, but the unusual expression of papal regret drew something of a mixed reaction from Islamic leaders as the Vatican worried about the backlash of violence.
	You see, some Muslim leaders accepted the statement.
	Others said that it just was not enough, but urged Muslims to avoid violence after attacks
	on churches in Palestinian areas and the slaying of a nun in Somalia.
	My God.
	The Bush administration and holdout GOP senators expressed confidence on Sunday they could
	reach a compromise on rules for CIA interrogations of suspected terrorists.
	Neither the president's national security aides nor some of the lawmakers who are resisting White House pressure would say how they can reconcile their deep differences after a week of public sparring.
	The examiner who performed yet a second autopsy Sunday on Anna Nicole Smith's 20-year-old son said he could not yet determine the cause of death.
	Cyril Weck, a forensic pathologist who gained fame as a critic of the government's probe into the John F. Kennedy assassination, and as a consultant in Elvis Presley's death, ruled out several potential natural causes, including heart disease, stroke, or a congenital anomaly.
	Now, in a moment, I'm going to return to the topic of cell phones.
	I have no idea whether you can actually cook An egg with a couple of cell phones as these Russians for prom to claim they did.
	But I have some information that is just good as gold coming up next on cell phones.
	don't touch that dial.
	I should like to say again that I think it is very cool that Denny's is sponsoring the first hour of the program
	here on the weekends.
	We share the same kind of hours.
	I don't know.
	It's just a good match.
	All right.
	Here we go.
	Now I want you to listen to the following very carefully.
	You might want to have a pencil or a pen handy.
	This stuff is really Good information.
	Last night we talked about cooking eggs with cell phones.
	Chicken or even human, I suppose.
	And I really don't even know if that was true.
	But this is true.
	So listen to me carefully.
	Things you never knew your cell phone could do.
	There are a few things that can be done in times of grave emergencies.
	Your cell phone, for example, can actually be a lifesaver or an emergency tool for survival.
	Check out these things.
	One, the emergency number worldwide for mobile phones is 112.
	Remember that number, 112.
	If you find yourself out of the coverage area of your mobile network, doesn't matter, if there's an emergency, dial 112 and the mobile phone you have will search for any existing network.
	It doesn't matter any existing network, it will establish a connection with that network, dial the emergency number for you.
	And interestingly, this number 112 can be dialed even if the keypad is locked.
	Now it suggests here you try it out.
	I don't suggest you try it out because you're going to be dialing an emergency number just to check it out, so don't do that.
	Now here's a really useful one.
	Have you ever locked your keys in your car?
	Ha ha ha, haven't we all?
	Does your car have a remote?
	Well, yes, it probably does.
	Does your wife or your husband have one of those remotes?
	Might come in handy someday.
	Good reason to own a cell phone.
	If you lock your keys in the car and the spare keys are at home, call your wife or your husband on their cell phone from your cell phone, hold your cell phone about a foot away from your car door, and have the person on the other end, hubby or wife at home, press the unlock button holding it near the mobile phone on their end.
	Your car will unlock.
	Save someone from having to drive your keys to you.
	Distance is no object.
	You could be hundreds of miles away and if you can reach someone who has the other remote for your car, you can unlock the doors or even the trunk.
	Editor's note.
	It works fine.
	We tried it out and it unlocked our car right away over a cell phone.
	That's cool.
	Now, I'm still not done.
	Imagine that your cell battery is very low.
	If you're expecting a very important call or need to make one and you don't have a charger, Nokia, that's right, a lot of people have Nokia, right?
	So this is just for Nokia.
	Nokia has a secret reserve battery.
	To activate it, all you do is press the keys star 3370 crosshatch.
	That's star 3370 crosshatch.
	And guess what?
	Your cell will restart With a reserve, and the instrument will show a 50% increase in battery.
	This reserve is going to get recharged when you charge your cell the next time, and in the meantime it might save your life.
	And then finally this one.
	People here in the Philippines are known to steal cell phones.
	Actually, worldwide it happens, right?
	How to disable a stolen mobile phone.
	Check your mobile phone's serial number key.
	Now, I'm going to tell you how to do that.
	It apparently works.
	It certainly worked on mine here in the Philippines, so it should work on yours.
	To check your mobile phone's serial number, dial the following digits on your phone.
	Star, crosshatch, 06, crosshatch.
	A 15-digit code will then appear on the screen.
	Let me give it to you again.
	Star, crosshatch, 06, crosshatch.
	Then you get a 15-digit code on the screen.
	This number is unique to your handset.
	Write it down.
	Keep it somewhere safe.
	When your phone gets stolen, if it does, you can phone up your service provider.
	Give them this 15-digit code.
	They will then be able to block your handset so that even if the thief changes the SIM card, that's right, even if they change the SIM card, your phone will be completely useless to them.
	Now, you're probably not going to get your phone back.
	But at least you will know that whoever stole it can't use it or sell it.
	If everybody would do this, there would be no point in people stealing mobile phones.
	This information is really worth, in my opinion, spreading far and wide.
	And I just couldn't resist bringing it to you tonight.
	I hope you wrote some of that down.
	Here's a listener email I thought important.
	Art, I always listen to your show and have listened to your excellent interview with Dr. Greer last night, but I think I'm going to have to tell you my hair is on fire to get you to read this interesting and true UFO account.
	My father was a pilot for Pan Am until 1987, during all the years before such extraordinary security precautions were taken during the commercial airline flights as they are today.
	Although there were occasional bomb threats, security in commercial aviation was much more relaxed.
	Cockpit doors rarely were locked, sometimes left open during flights.
	It was safe for the pilots to walk around the cabin, greet the passengers during the flight.
	The pilots always checked with the cabin crew to see if there might be any VIPs on board.
	Sometimes, If there was a VIP on the flight, the pilots were interested in talking too.
	They'd simply invite that passenger to hang out with them in the cockpit and chat.
	I remember those days.
	My father used to tell me about some of the more interesting conversations and people they had met.
	Now, here we go.
	On one of my father's flights was one of the very well-known astronauts who had gone to the moon, Wally Schirra.
	Of course, all of the pilots were dying to talk to him, so he was invited to the cockpit.
	It was during that conversation that the astronaut revealed something very interesting about the trips to the moon.
	His trip, now I can't guarantee this, it's from a listener of course, his trip and all the other lunar flights were always monitored by numerous groups of UFOs.
	They were surrounded very, very closely by groups of UFOs that would accompany them for the entire trip.
	The astronaut described their bright white lights that moved freely alongside the orbiter, which never left the proximity of the spacecraft.
	The UFOs stayed next to them while they were orbiting the moon, continued to closely chaperone the spacecraft until it began to re-enter the Earth's atmosphere on the return trip.
	My father told me the astronauts said the UFOs seemed to be very curious about where they were going, what they were doing.
	He said that it is no secret to the astronauts They're all used to seeing them up there.
	I've got a name here, but I will withhold it.
	So there you go.
	Take that for what it's worth.
	We've heard that story from quite a number of people now, haven't we?
	Polar bears are beginning to drown.
	And the receding Arctic glaciers have uncovered previously unknown islands in a drastic 2006 summer thaw, widely blamed on global warming, of course.
	Signs of wrenching changes.
	Wrenching changes apparent around the Arctic region due to unusual warmth.
	The summer minimum for ice is usually reached between mid-September and early October before the Arctic freeze extends its grip.
	We now know about, get this folks, Three new islands this year that have been uncovered because the glaciers have retreated.
	The largest, 300 by 100 meters.
	So we're getting new islands.
	On a trip this summer, we saw a couple of polar bears in the sea.
	One of them looked to be dead.
	The other one looked to be exhausted.
	You said the bears had apparently been stranded at sea by the melting ice.
	The bears generally live around the fringes of ice where they find it easiest to hunt seals.
	NASA projected this week that Arctic ice is likely to recede in 2006 close to a recorded low in 2005 as part of a melting trend in recent decades.
	Now we know that 2006 was the second warmest year in all record keeping.
	The warmest, I think, was 2005.
	Do you see some sort of pattern there?
	A scientist said Thursday they have discovered an unusually large and light planet orbiting a star that could force them to re-examine theories about how planets are formed in the first place.
	This one's very interesting.
	They're always changing their minds about stuff.
	The planet, and that's science I guess, dubbed H-A-T-P-1, get this, is roughly a third larger than Jupiter, but it only weighs half as much.
	Astronomers with the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics said that, so this is solid info.
	The planet about a quarter the density of water.
	Good Lord!
	It's lighter than a giant ball of cork, according to Harvard-Smithsonian.
	Lighter than a ball of cork.
	How can that be?
	HATP-1 revolves around its parent star once every 4.5 days in an orbit one-seventh of the distance from Mercury to the Sun.
	Its parent star, one of a double star system, is about 450 light years from Earth.
	That means 450 years of travel at the speed of light, which we can't do yet.
	Scientists declared the planet Detected the planet, rather, because light from its parent star dims when the planet passes in front of it.
	Can you imagine, though, the planet is made of something that is actually lighter?
	Lighter than cork!
	I mean, that's absolutely amazing!
	Predicting a mass extinction of the world's frogs, toads, newts and salamanders, 50 international amphibian experts are sending out an unprecedented call for an urgent global mission to avert a cataclysm.
	The plea published in today's edition of the Journal of Science is meant to be a wake-up call for a broader range of scientists and policy makers about threats to Earth's amphibians considered, listen carefully, canaries in the coal mine for all of nature.
	Quote, for the first time in modern history, because of the way humans are impacting our natural world, we are facing the extinction of an entire class of organisms.
	This is Claude Gaskin, a Herpetologist with the Conservation International.
	This is not the extinction of just a panda or a rhino.
	It's a whole class of organisms.
	Certainly if we were impacting mammals, well gee, we'd be taking this a lot more seriously, wouldn't we?
	But, and I know that a lot of people are going to sit out there and say, well who cares?
	Come on, I never really liked frogs anyway.
	Salamanders, well, you know, who cares?
	You better care.
	And I certainly care.
	Because if they go, eventually, ladies and gentlemen, we go.
	They're very much like the canary that the miners would carry into the mine.
	You just simply cannot stand back and allow the extinction of species like these because of something we're doing here on the planet.
	And not imagine that eventually it's going to impact the mammals that are producing the problem.
	Nature does not get angry.
	Nature doesn't get angry.
	It just gets even.
	And by that, what I mean is that it just sort of waits, I guess, until there's a large imbalance in what's going on on our globe.
	And then it does something to correct that balance.
	Now unless we all want to be part of that correction, and it will be a rather severe correction I can assure you, we better get off our duffs internationally and do something about it.
	From Southeast Asia, Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Alright, if you've got something that'll rock Rock and roll us a little bit and by all means pick up the phone.
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	Those are the numbers.
	Love to have you do it.
	We're about to enter open lines and that means anything goes.
	Okay, the one about opening your car may not be true.
	People are writing me saying it's not true, and actually it makes sense that it would not be true, if you think about it a little bit.
	The newer, this probably worked at one time, the newer remotes use RF, and that RF is not going to pass through the audio of a, the older ones it would have worked, but the new ones using radio frequency are not going to go through a I'm not going to go through a cell phone.
	There's just no way.
	So you're probably right about that.
	In the older days, it probably would have worked.
	The other ones absolutely do work.
	And the one I really like is the 15-digit code.
	That one's really cool.
	Star crosshatch zero six crosshatch.
	Right?
	And you get a 15-digit code.
	So if somebody steals your phone, you call up and give that to your provider, and they shut the damn thing off.
	So, you know, they'll sit out there cursing.
	They stole your phone.
	They deserve Everything they get so that in fact the rest of them all except apparently the one to get remotely into your car Are absolutely valid.
	I suppose give them a try.
	We'll be right back.
	Okay, and just for the record, I use the little term crosshatch and that confuses some people.
	It's a number sign.
	It's right across from the star.
	So, for example, let me give these to you again very quickly, all right?
	I got this just before air time, so there was not time to put all of this on the website.
	The emergency number is 112.
	I'm sure you all got that, right?
	Any cell phone, anywhere, any network, even with a locked, even if you've got a locked Keep had and then let me give this other one to you the one how to get the number so if it gets stolen you can disable it and really tick off the thief.
	You do star, number sign, 06, number sign.
	I said crosshatch.
	So, star, number sign, 06, number sign, and you'll get a 15-digit code, and if it gets stolen, you can just give that to your provider, and then the, let's see, hidden battery power.
	I really like this one, I hope it's true.
	Nokia, you've got a secret battery in a Nokia phone, and you can get to it by putting star 3370, number sign.
	It says, your cell will restart, and the reserve We'll show a 50% increase in battery life.
	Now if that's true, it could obviously save your life.
	Really cool stuff.
	So for what it's worth, there it is.
	The other one, I guess, is old and doesn't work with newer RF type door openers.
	First time caller line, you are on the air.
	Hello.
	How are you today, Art?
	Quite well, Sarah, thank you.
	What an honor, what an honor indeed.
	I just wanted to first say before I get to my question, In light of things that have happened lately in your life in the recent year, I'd say, right when you came back, you were a little tentative to tell people, yeah, I'm going to the Philippines, and this is what my life is, and to hell with you if you don't agree with it.
	I honestly used that in my very own life to do something quite similar, and I wanted to thank you for at least being open and honest with people and saying, This is my life.
	Take it or leave it.
	I couldn't applaud you more on you doing that.
	I don't know any other way.
	I honestly know no other way to deal with everybody here.
	I've always been honest with the audience, even in my personal life.
	So, um, yeah, that's basically what it boiled down to.
	I tried to explain as best I could to everybody.
	I've had some, uh, you know, I've lived long enough.
	I'm 61 years old now and I've lived long enough to have had an awful lot happen to me.
	And it did boil down to that.
	And it was kind of either move forward with my life or just sort of stay there and fade away.
	And that's what would have happened.
	So I, I just, you know, I did what I've always done in my life.
	I turned it upside down.
	Unbelievable.
	I'm living in Detroit now, and within a month I'll be in Honolulu, Hawaii, doing somewhat close to what you did.
	Nothing on the same level.
	I'm not trying to make light of my situation, but I just wanted to thank you for what you did by that, because I honestly thought that would be the end when I heard the news.
	I thought, well, for sure he's not going to, you know.
	And then to hear you from Manila doing this for your listeners, it's a great service.
	And I can't tell you how many nights that night You made me like settle down and relax and go to bed with all the problems I had.
	I got to think about quarks or, you know, the third moon that might be around a further planet.
	I mean, it was very, very therapeutic.
	But beyond all that, thank you.
	But I just have a quick question.
	I had a mental picture when you were in the desert of and after seeing the special actually of your, quote, compound.
	I'm curious where you are right now in terms of are the shades pulled?
	Do you try and keep it darker now?
	I know you used to say this is where we do our best work.
	Do you try to do that still?
	Yes.
	The answer to your question is absolutely yes.
	I have a little office.
	I have a little office here and what I do is I darken it down and pull the shades.
	I've got mini blinds.
	I put those in first followed by dark curtains so I can make it like midnight in here.
	Mr. Bell, I can't tell you how much of a thrill this was for me.
	What a pleasure to be able to speak with you.
	One of the highlights of my life.
	I've read all of your books, and I'm going to listen until the day I die.
	Thank you very much for Coast to Coast.
	Thank you, my friend, and take care.
	Thank you.
	Let's go east of the Rockies.
	Let's see if I can release that line.
	It doesn't seem like I can release that line.
	But I am going to try to go East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Hello.
	Yeah, all right.
	Dave.
	Yes.
	Dave and Heather in New York.
	You know, with this global warming thing and that, did anybody ever think with all these satellite dishes and all these cell phones and all around the world that that could contribute to heating the atmosphere?
	You think that would be possible?
	Let's try this again.
	Cell phones are heating the atmosphere, is that what you're saying?
	Well, not just cell phones, but all these satellite dishes and everything else all around the world.
	And with all the microwaves coming through, wouldn't that have some kind of effect?
	I, you know, you know what?
	I hadn't thought about it, but it's something I guess to think about.
	I really don't know the answer to it, sir.
	I got it from you because I remember, you know, because I've listened to you for a long time, and you were saying about that time that you had your leg next to a satellite dish.
	Oh, yes.
	And you were gonna, it felt like it was gonna burn right off.
	That's right.
	You know, so I was taking that into consideration with all that heat.
	And like I said, with all these dishes going around, and then you got harp up there in Alaska.
	You know, actually what you're saying has, I think, some merit to it, and I'm going to give it some thought.
	Yeah, and it's just like with sonar in the oceans that are driving the whales out and bleeding their ears and everything else, because the sonars, you know, they think that the sonar is driving them out of the water.
	Right.
	Now, I have one other thing that I wanted to bring up.
	Many years ago, before I knew about crab circles, Yes.
	Well, when I was a kid, we had a friend that owned a large farm with wheat fields, and it was like three days of beautiful weather, and he called up my dad, and he said, you've got to come out and see this.
	He couldn't understand.
	All of his wheat was flattening out.
	So we parked someplace on a back road, and my dad went riding with him, and I was sitting on the hood of the car, and I heard this rustling.
	And I sat up, you know, sitting on the edge of the hood of the car on the Thunder.
	And there was this whirlwind that was coming up through.
	And, believe it or not, you know how it's got the funnel and the tip is right down to the ground?
	Absolutely.
	And it came, stopped directly in front of me, and lowered itself very gently.
	I even caught the outside of the funnel as it caressed my face.
	And I had to close my eyes because of the chafe, you know, coming up from the wheat And it settled and then it raised itself back up and then went like a pen going across and around the corner of a wood.
	And when they got back, Vince, my dad's friend, goes, what the hell happened here?
	And my dad stepped out there and he goes, you got to look at this.
	He says, none of the stems are broke.
	They're all laying down, but none of the stems are broke at the bottom.
	And they were all just laying right out in a perfect circle.
	That's incredible.
	Yeah, as well as Mother Nature, you know, just doing her little artwork with stuff.
	That could be it, but you know, if that kind of phenomena did it, you wouldn't think you would get the perfect, and I appreciate your call, thank you, you would not get the perfect, symmetrical, mathematically precise designs that we seem to be getting.
	All right, let's go to the west of the Rockies line and say, hello, you're on the air.
	Hi, Eric.
	This is Bob in Portland, Oregon.
	How are you?
	I'm fine, Bob.
	Good.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	Hey, I tried that star and then the pound sign, and then I hit send after I do that, star, pound sign, zero, six, pound sign, and it says I can't complete the call with style.
	Oh, wait a minute here.
	First of all, you don't... Wait a minute.
	Let me go to the one that you're talking about.
	You're talking about the code, right?
	Right, right.
	OK, it's star and then pound sign, zero six pound sign.
	When I did that, I didn't call.
	I just entered that and I got the 15 digit code.
	Oh, really?
	OK, well, that's my problem then.
	I think so.
	I'm Hugh Hiddingson.
	Love your show.
	It's great.
	Appreciate it.
	That is one really cool thing, isn't it?
	I mean, everybody knows their cell phone could get stolen.
	To be able to disable it so the jerk could never use it again, that is just way cool.
	All right, let's go to the first-time caller line and say, good morning, you're on the air.
	Hello, thank you for taking my call.
	You're most welcome, sir.
	And this is Jeff from St.
	Louis, Missouri.
	Hey, Jeff.
	How's it going tonight?
	We're doing just fine.
	I got an observation about the comments the Pope read that caused the Muslims' rioting and all that stuff.
	Tell me if I'm wrong on this.
	The Pope read from a 16th century scripture or something that mentioned some of the teachings of Islam was violent and intolerant, basically, right?
	Yes.
	So the Muslims are now rioting, burning churches, they killed a nun, demanding an apology from the Pope of calling some of their teachings violent and intolerant.
	You're absolutely right.
	I mean, that's violent and an intolerant response.
	There's no question about it.
	I guess that's your point.
	Yeah, they're proving his point for them right there.
	I'm afraid so.
	I, uh, look, what they're saying to us, sir, is also violent and rather intolerant.
	What they're saying to us is convert or die.
	Now, that's not all, of course, but there's no way on God's green earth that I'm going to convert.
	And I'm sure that's true of the majority of you as well.
	I'm simply not going to convert.
	I don't believe in all of that.
	I simply do not believe in all of that.
	Let's go to a wild card line, your choice, and say, hello there, you're on the air.
	This is Charles Pooley from Mojave, California.
	Hi, Charles.
	Okay.
	I was wondering if you have heard of micro-launchers?
	I had an email sent to you some time ago, and then I sent one earlier.
	This is an attempt to develop one-pound spacecraft for the purpose of exploring, say, near-Earth objects and so on in large quantity, and to develop a sort of a cultural system somewhat like that which surrounded the development of microprocessors and PCs.
	Micro-launchers.
	Run over that one more time.
	Sure.
	With today's technology, it's now possible to develop and launch one pound or less spacecraft by the hundreds to near-Earth objects and so on.
	Okay.
	Using what method?
	We had a guest from NASA yesterday who said that you could use... Yes, I did.
	I listened to the program.
	Are you talking about the laser system?
	No, no, no, no.
	Conventional rockets built very small.
	Okay.
	Using today's technology, it is possible to develop a... Well, the rocket system would weigh something less than 1,000 pounds off the ground and project about a one-pound payload to escape.
	Okay.
	And using diode lasers and other components now readily available, you can keep track of the spacecraft and do things like take pictures of near-Earth asteroids and then later, with more sophisticated development, provide it with enough propulsion to match velocity with some of these and even touch them.
	Let's see, just on the 13th of this month, one passed the Earth at a relative velocity of only .58 kilometers a second.
	That is about three times the speed of sound, if there was sound out there.
	And that's very, very easy to reach.
	The amount of propulsion required is barely that beyond escape.
	It does seem to me, and I'm sure it seems to you as well, that there are all of these ideas and all of these things that we could be trying and doing and developing, but according to yesterday's guest, NASA really isn't doing that.
	They've got one direction only, and they're following that.
	I'm not really comfortable with that, and I guess you're not either, huh?
	Not at all.
	This idea is that you simply have to ignore what NASA's doing and proceed.
	It's as if we are in the I was using the term mainframe era of space exploration.
	In other words, everything is locked up into large, expensive systems which are very exclusive, just like computers used to be 30 years ago.
	And it is possible to develop a culture and organizations of people entirely outside of NASA.
	Uh, built around what is technically feasible now.
	On my website, I have a link to a guy that built a model airplane that weighs one gram complete.
	One gram?
	One gram.
	Actually, 850 milligrams now.
	He put a smaller battery in it.
	If you can do that, you can build fairly sophisticated spacecraft that weigh much less than one pound complete.
	Well, that's absolutely incredible, and I think you're on to the right thing.
	Listen, I appreciate your call, and I think that on yesterday's program jarred me perhaps more than anything else.
	All right, let's go east of the Rockies and say, yo, you are on the air.
	Hi Art, this is Bill in West Hartford, Connecticut.
	Hi.
	Hello Bill.
	Hi, I have a fascinating theory about UFOs that combines Dr. David Jacobs Let me get right to it.
	I think the aliens, the UFOs, inspired the Bible, the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the Koran, as an evolutionary scientific experiment to see if we could hopefully avoid a worldwide nuclear war, religious warfare, and see if we could hopefully use our left brain, our logical, rational, scientific, analytical side of our brain, to override the God part of the brain, and I think that also, The Dr. Lear devices, the devices that Dr. Lear has put the implants, the implants of people are very small, beam-me-up Scotty devices that can change the human body's matter into energy and if we do have a nuclear war, beam these people to their planet.
	What do you think of that?
	I'm not sure what to think of that.
	I appreciate the thought.
	Thank you for the call, but I have no idea.
	I will give it some thought, that's all I can promise.
	Let's try a wildcard line.
	You're on the air, Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Hello, wildcard line.
	Not hearing a wildcard line.
	Hello, wildcard line.
	Okay, let's try the next one.
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	Hello.
	Yes, hello.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	Hello again.
	Hello, Art.
	Hello again.
	Hello, Art.
	I'll do it one more time, then I'll hang up.
	Hello again.
	Hi, Art.
	Okay, bye-bye.
	Let's go to the next call.
	Somebody just wanted to exchange hellos, I suppose.
	You're on the air, Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
	Hello, Art.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I've been listening to you for decades and decades.
	No, no, no.
	I've been listening to you since 93.
	It was from yesterday night.
	Somebody said they couldn't stand something like that.
	But I wanted to comment about you.
	You were talking about making a trip to Vietnam.
	I know you were thinking about it.
	Thinking hard about it, yes.
	I went back myself in 95.
	And how did it go?
	How did it go?
	It was pleasant.
	My wife's Vietnamese.
	She'd been back a couple times previous to that.
	I went back.
	It was pleasant.
	Everything was different.
	It was pretty good.
	You've got to do it.
	Okay, I appreciate the call, and I will consider it, but I must tell you, you know, the memories and sometimes the nightmares from that war kind of keep me away from making the final decision.
	From Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	It is indeed.
	Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you are in the world.
	The world covered ever so well by this program, Coast to Coast AM.
	Listen, just before introducing my guest, Philip Gardner, coming up in a moment, I want to remind all of you that...
	I love hearing from you, so if you have an opportunity, by all means, drop me a line.
	I'm Art Bell at AOL.com, or preferably, I think, ArtBellAtMindSpring.com.
	That's A-R-T-B-E-L-L, all lowercase, at AOL.com, or the big one, ArtBellAtMindSpring.com, M-I-N-D-S-P-R-I-N-G.com.
	In a moment, Philip Gardner He's got a master's degree in strategic marketing and nine diplomas ranging from personal management through holistic medicine and the craft of etymology.
	Before retiring to dedicate his time to researching and writing, Philip was a marketing director.
	He was owner of a company in the UK.
	Part of this role included giving lectures on the art and history of marketing and propaganda to various organizations including certain government bodies and companies.
	Philip is the author of Proof, Does God Exist?
	That's a good one.
	And The Shining Ones, the world's most powerful secret society, revealed.
	He also had a program produced in Scotland called, I believe, Icon.
	Philip uses history, mythology, symbolism, and his own expertise of propaganda.
	That's interesting in itself, to prove his theories.
	coming up in a moment Philip Gardner Philip Gardner I would like to welcome you my friend to the
	program Thank you for having me, the mighty Art Bell.
	Ah, it's just absolutely great having you on, you know, from one side of the world to the other.
	Where are you located, Philip?
	I'm actually, right now, I'm in California.
	Ah, okay, good.
	I'm over here doing TV and also all kinds of different things.
	Okay, good.
	Well, I'm curious about all sorts of things.
	For example, in the introduction it said, your own expertise propaganda.
	Propaganda is a pretty interesting word.
	Yeah, well it is.
	It's probably the darker side of marketing, if you like, because at the end of the day, it's just marketing.
	It's just being able to use those skills of how to get a point, a product, whatever, service across to somebody.
	By understanding them.
	It's psychology at the end of the day.
	It's knowing about a person.
	What their age, their sex, their orientation, all kinds of different things about a person.
	And then using that to use the right means to get the message across to them.
	So if you're going to go for a child, Or you want to try and sell a toy, for instance, you make sure that you use lots of primary colors and primary shapes, crisp, all-clear noise sounds, and nice happy music, that kind of thing.
	You know, it's pretty simple and straightforward when you do start to break it down.
	Okay, well break down yourself for me.
	Let's hear a little bit about Flip Garner.
	What is your background?
	How do you come to all of this?
	I came to it, really, because of, say, three things.
	Firstly, in the first proper job that I ever had, there was two guys there that highly influenced me.
	One of them was deeply into history.
	He was a member of the Sealed Knot in England, which is a Civil War re-enactment.
	The other guy was in the Lord Byron Society.
	It was pretty deep into Byron, Keats, Shelley, all that stuff, who were deep thinkers.
	And so the two major influences for a really young man at that time were history and the deep thinking.
	All the time I'm trying to do the job, but that influenced me a lot.
	And as I moved on, I moved up the company and then I started to do the marketing degree and various other things.
	Involved in marketing is trying to understand psychology.
	So you know you get into into the mind in a different way too.
	And so I think all of that tying into knowing history and then realizing that history is probably the biggest lie on the planet.
	The history books that we've got.
	You know it kind of opens your eyes and you want to know the truth.
	Well, I think with regard to wars, they usually say that the victor gets to write the history, right?
	Beyond all doubt.
	You know, and even before that, the propaganda machines in process making the winner, you know, making either side appear to be the winner beforehand anyway.
	So it starts way before the war.
	All right.
	Well, I tried to share with my fellow Americans, even when I lived in America, that we were constantly being propagandized.
	Even in wonderful, free, best country in the world, America, and I still believe that to be true, we're propagandized.
	There's absolutely, totally, no question about it.
	No doubt whatsoever.
	Do you know the biggest shock since I've come here is... I mean, I've been to New York before, but I never really watched the TV.
	I was too busy running around that mad city, which is really nothing like America as I now know it.
	It's when I turned the television on in the hotel room.
	I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
	It just appalled me.
	I'd flick through off a lost count of channels of commercials.
	And I just couldn't believe what I was seeing.
	Is this the mindless people watch?
	You know?
	Well, yes it is.
	Yeah, right.
	And the thing that worries me is, you know, England, we always follow what America does, and I just thought, oh no, we've got this coming.
	Oh, well, it's true.
	I mean, I'm in the Philippines right now, and it's very much the same way.
	Everybody, from an entertainment point of view, pretty much follows what America does.
	We're clearly the leader in the world of entertainment.
	Our movies are enjoyed throughout the world.
	Yeah, beyond all doubt.
	And what America thinks pretty much the rest of the world is exposed to.
	They call you the British Indiana Jones.
	Why?
	Probably because there are a few things that I do.
	I do dig quite a lot, both physically and textually, and I have been known to infiltrate secret societies.
	Really?
	Yes.
	For example?
	Well, I'll give you a recent example, if you wish, for a book that I'm working on for next year.
	In Germany, I was researching the ancient order of the Holy Vamp.
	Wait a minute, the Holy Vamp?
	V-E-H-M.
	V-E-H-M.
	Vengeance.
	Okay.
	And they began in the medieval period, much like the Templars and the Knights of St.
	John, etc.
	And it was said that they erupted again during the Second World War, and that Hitler used them as henchmen to do all kinds of things.
	And what they did was supposedly do judgments out in the woods in the middle of the night,
	etc.
	And they had a judge who was like the Grand Master.
	And what I wanted to know was, did they still exist?
	Because if they'd existed in the Second World War, it was to say that they no longer exist
	now.
	And so I contacted a few people that I knew, one of them was in the Golden Dawn in Surrey,
	in England.
	And he made some, put some feelers out.
	And within two days, I was in Berlin.
	Um, stood outside the, uh, the Berlin Dome Museum.
	And, uh, the two old gentlemen that I was supposed to meet turned up dressed in nice black suits.
	I mean, this is all sounding very X-Files, but it actually happened.
	It was in crime.
	I'm listening.
	Uh, I believe you.
	I got a tap on the shoulder.
	Mr. Gardner, yeah, yeah.
	Well, come with us.
	and they led me to this, get this, this is not, no bullshit, but lead me to this black Mercedes car
	and drive me out of Berlin to discuss this holy dam, which these two were claiming to be quite iopean.
	And we ended up in this cafe, which looked perfectly ordinary on the outside.
	But when you got inside, I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
	Those pictures of Hitler and him, and Hess, everybody all over the wall
	and a bar at the end with these blonde hair, blue eyed guys.
	And they did everything according to the research They turned their forks inwards on the table, which was a sign of Holy Venn.
	They did everything.
	Actually, can you describe to me what the Venn, the Holy Venn, what are they all about?
	Well, today they're really kind of a neo-Nazi organization, really, who just think that Germany should be great again and that it's pathetic that they've Joined Europe in the way that they have etc.
	Etc.
	But in the past they were the whole idea was that Westphalia in Germany was was particularly in trouble from Marauders and people coming back from Crusades who were just robbing people left right and center so these supposedly good people got together and Uh, and, and created the holy van, um, to do judgments, to take people out into the woods and, and, uh, who they discovered doing bad things and nobody really ever was found innocent and the judgment was normally very swift and meant death.
	My God, Philip, isn't infiltrating a group of the kind you just described that, as you point out, doesn't do a lot of court appeal work and that sort of thing, isn't that awfully dangerous?
	In other words, they find you out and you're in the woods and dead.
	Yeah, well, the thing with this particular one is they knew exactly what I was after and who I was.
	So I was really up front with this one.
	Well then, how in heaven's name did you get as far as the upside-down forks?
	Well, I actually asked the same question.
	I said, you know, if this is all so secret, why are you actually sitting here telling me these things knowing full well who I am?
	And they were basically saying, well, you know, this is a bit of a propaganda for us, really.
	We're just saying we are here, and it's about time people knew that we were back.
	Well, I would consider that just a lucky stroke, actually.
	A very lucky story for you, or you wouldn't be here doing the interview right now.
	So, the Holy Ven and others apparently still exist.
	Can you kind of go through a list of those secret societies we might all know that you are sure one way or the other still exist?
	Well, obviously the Freemasons that everybody knows for well exist, but do they know that there are other Groups within the Freemasons that nobody ever writes about.
	Which, you know, these people actually sit there and do talk about their various products and commercial things that they've got going on and how to manipulate markets and all those kind of things.
	That actually is going on.
	And I've been in those meetings and I've seen them.
	So there's that kind of thing.
	And then there's the Knights Templar.
	Most people know that there are modern versions of the Templars, especially like the one that
	Alistair Crowley was one of the founders of, the OTO and those kind of things.
	But a long, long time ago there was an old guy that contacted me and he basically said,
	you know, Philip, I'm a member of an organisation and I have to... we never ask anybody to join.
	What we do is we pass it on in the will and this way the lodge or temple is always the
	same size.
	It's always a number of 13.
	And I'm getting old and I'd like to pass it on to you.
	And I'm like, right, OK.
	Give me some time to think about this.
	And before I had a chance to think about it, the guy died.
	He was 86 years old.
	And he fell downstairs and he just couldn't survive it, I'm afraid.
	So before I had any choice in the matter, I was contacted by a lawyer, and apparently I'd been left a nice painting, and membership of this organisation, which called themselves the Knights of the Temple.
	And so, I kind of went along.
	I was ten years younger than I am now, only 27 years old, and I wanted to see what it was all about, and went along to the initiations, which was fascinating.
	Were you researching these kind of secret organizations at that time?
	I was researching everything I could get my hands on, from quantum physics to secret societies.
	All right, so you go to the Knights of the Temple and you're at initiation, and what does that consist of, or can you not talk?
	No, I don't go along to these things anymore whatsoever, so if anybody wants to join, I'll put you in my will.
	Yeah, I'll tell you exactly what happened in the initiation.
	I turned up to this place, it was actually somebody's home, and it was out in the back garden.
	You've got to imagine this is probably about 10 acres, so it's a big garden.
	And they've got this kind of, it's an underground sort of thing.
	A bit like, you know the old wartime, what do you call them?
	They used to build them in the back gardens, I forget what we call them now, but it's kind of a bunker in the back garden.
	A bunker, okay.
	A bunker.
	That's a good word for it, isn't it?
	A bunker.
	So we went down into this bunker, and inside this huge hall was looking very much like a Freemasonic hall.
	Were you referring to a bomb shelter?
	Yeah, yeah.
	It looks very much like a bomb shelter in the background.
	Okay.
	And at the far end of this hall, there's a really big sort of velvet curtain with this ugly goat's head sticking out the center, just dripping.
	I mean, it was...
	A real goat and its flesh was just dripping and it stunk and the guys are stood either side of me in their white robes with their swords blah blah blah going through all these different rituals that they have to go through and blessing the sword and spitting on the cross and various other things.
	Spitting on the cross did you say?
	Yeah one of the things you have to do is spit on the cross.
	There you go.
	But the last thing was I was told that the goat's head at the end was called Baphomet, which is the head that the Templars used to worship.
	And I was told to go and kiss the backside of Baphomet.
	I had to walk down to the end of the hall and go behind this curtain and kiss the backside of this disgusting-looking goat, which was just disease-ridden.
	I think I would have, you know, I'd have gone on the spitting on the cross part.
	I don't think I could bring myself to do that.
	Well, you know, you have to battle down the laughs as you're doing it as well, because it's so humorous to see these rich businessmen doing these ridiculous things.
	So anyway, I went to the, I thought, I'm going to go through with this, because this is, you know, if this is the first bit, what's the rest like?
	This is going to be real fun.
	And so I got to the end of the curtain, and you know, you're showing allegiance to the Grandmaster by doing this.
	You're showing deference to the guy.
	And that you can be disciplined, and that you'll follow the rule.
	He gets behind the curtain, and there is, instead of a disgusting goat sticking out of his thing, there's actually a naked woman.
	So you're actually rewarded for actually going that far, and you kiss the backside of the woman.
	Well, that certainly beats the goat that would... Alright, so you kiss this backside of a woman, and then what?
	Well, then it's all kind of over.
	You've passed the initiation, you're in, and then you just go along.
	You know, once every... well, it's 13 times a year you go along.
	Everything seems to run on 13s.
	So it's 13 times a year you go along and just meet these guys.
	And go through the next level of teaching.
	There were three levels, three main levels of teaching that you'd go through.
	Alright, if you could describe those to some degree at least.
	I really, I mean, this is Templar Knights, or is it Knights of the Temple?
	Is there a difference here?
	Or is it the same group?
	Well, you know, the Templars, or the Knights of the Temple, they've had many names over time, and it's evolved over time.
	It's changed slightly.
	There is some evidence to suggest that they go back much further than history books tell us, but these were called the Knights of the Temple.
	How old they were is anybody's guess.
	There's no telling.
	They could have recreated themselves back in the 1920s for all I could discover.
	But the next kind of levels are just very psychological processes.
	You're admitted in so far, but as they're discussing things, you're discussing basically things that Jungian psychologists wouldn't have a problem with.
	It's just normal stuff.
	There's nothing great secret there.
	Well, that was going to be my question.
	I mean, after going through all of this, there must have been some really good secrets somewhere at some levels of the Knights of the Temple, or why even bother?
	No, well, you know, that's the beauty of it, because once you get in there, what you actually find is that all these symbols and things that they've got all relate back to simple psychology, just the methods of self-improvement, etc.
	And really, today, it's just boys' clubs.
	They just use it to just get on in business most of the time.
	You know, just boys clubs and just an old boys network for biz, huh?
	That's right.
	That's all I found it to be.
	Well, that's terribly disappointing.
	I know.
	It is.
	It really is disappointing.
	There must be something more to it.
	I mean, with all of the... I mean, doing a talk show of the sort that I do, Philip, you can well imagine I've been accused of being all sorts of things and, you know, and belonging to all of these groups.
	I've sort of stopped denying it, because there's no point.
	If you deny it, then there's all the more reason to believe that, you know, Art Bell really does belong to these things.
	I don't.
	But that's it.
	I believe you.
	It's just an old boys' network, huh?
	Well, on that level, yeah.
	But, you know, some of these guys are multimillionaires.
	So, you know, work out for yourself whether it's right that people in there, multimillionaires, are discussing things with people who Who then turn out to be politicians later on in life.
	That's a good point, Philip.
	Hold tight, we're at the bottom of the hour, we'll be right back.
	Philip Gardner is my guest, I'm Art Bell.
	My guest is Philip Gardner.
	Secret societies, what we're talking about right now, the Holy Ven was the first one, and then Knights of the Temple, and Knights of the Temple is in some way terribly disappointing.
	Then, he said, would take people out to the woods, pass judgment, and then execute immediately.
	That one's very serious.
	I wouldn't fool with that.
	Knights of the Temple?
	That's, I guess, not so serious as people imagine, or perhaps Philip didn't get to all of it.
	He said, basically, it's a bunch of millionaires getting together to, I guess, make more money.
	I suppose that has worthy aspects to it, even if you have to kiss the whatever.
	But we'll be back.
	Listen, we're going to get things like the Da Vinci Code and whether Jesus and Mary married and questions like that are coming up.
	So stay right where you are.
	Okay, we've got some disagreement here, Phillip.
	Here's a couple of them.
	Larry in Rapid City says, Sir, I'm a Knights Templar, and I went on up through the degrees.
	I'm a Christian, would never bow to the devil or representative of Goat's Head or anything.
	We've been around for a thousand years.
	We are for our Lord Jesus Christ at all times.
	And Stephen in Juneau, Alaska says, Dear Art, please don't let uninformed guests like this start bashing the Freemasons with their ridiculous initiation stories.
	Initiation of the Freemasons, it was Knights of the Temple in this case, right?
	Well, that was what they called themselves, yes.
	So, how do you respond to those two?
	How do you respond to those two?
	Well, you know, the Freemasons is not what we were talking about for starters, so that's the second one.
	And the first one, there are several Knights Templar organizations around the globe and those that That guy is obviously part of the ones that, you know, worship Christians, so that's fine.
	But, you know, he wasn't with me and, you know, simple as that, really.
	What can I say?
	You went through what you went through.
	Alright, is there scientific evidence for the healing elements of venom and blood of the snake?
	Because you've got a new book called the Serpent Grail, so one would assume that the venom of the snake for this particular group is in some way healing.
	What does it heal?
	What's the deal?
	Right, well the Serpent Grail, basically, there's a few things to it.
	It was to try and discover the truth behind the Holy Grail, and especially the elixir of life.
	And one night I was in bed with my wife one night, one o'clock in the morning, reading a book, and she turned to me and she says, do you know that snake venom has been found to boost the immune system?
	And because I'd been so deeply entrenched in alchemy and all those kind of things for a couple of years, something sparked in my brain.
	I had to run downstairs and for just days and days afterwards I went through everything and two years later I wrote The Serpent Grail with Gary Osborne and what we discovered was that snake venom and blood when mixed together actually forms an incredible immune boosting system for the body and that basically stops you from catching Diseases and all kinds of different things and it's been scientifically proven.
	What kind of snake?
	Any kind of snake?
	There are different kinds of snake because the hemotoxic snakes obviously which can cause coagulation of the blood or anticoagulants which makes the blood flow more and there's the neurotoxic snakes which affect the nervous system.
	Both kinds of venom have got different elements of protein in them and we tested The anticoagulant versions of the snake venom which were found to be hugely beneficial when orally taken in specific mixes.
	Can you tell me, don't try this at home of course folks, what kind of snake?
	I was just going to say we didn't put in the book what kind of snake or what mixes because I'm personally an animal lover and I don't want any animals harming.
	And secondly, I don't want people to go and start messing about with snake venom and suing me, basically, for getting themselves in trouble.
	These things were mixed with quite specific quantities of blood or alcohol.
	In fact, the whole part of the snake, all parts of the snake, were used, and still are used, for various healing things, such as You know, the skin is used to heal dermatological problems and that sort of thing.
	So, you know, it's just, it's a very ancient thing, the worship of the snake and the use of the snake physically for healing parts of the body.
	But there are many reasons why the snake seems to have been worshipped, not least of which being an internal mental process.
	I'm certainly aware, Philip, that a number of medicines given in certain dosages are harmful, or perhaps even fatal, and they're poisonous.
	But given in the correct dosage, in the correct way, are a definite healing capability.
	So I wouldn't be surprised.
	That snake venom of some sort or another mixed properly and or other parts of the snake could have amazing effects, but you're saying it boosts the immune system to what kind of level?
	I mean, how well does it really work?
	Well, they're still open for debate at the moment, but the scientists are really excited by it and they're spending an awful lot of money looking into it.
	So it's really open for debate.
	All we can say is that it has been found in ancient medical material in alchemical texts and in texts from India in particular,
	which is, you know, the real home of serpent worship.
	So, you know, it's not at this moment, you know, I'm not going to tell you some affair,
	but it's just, it's open for debate at the moment for the scientists.
	They just say it is incredible.
	And you know, there are several people that claim to have lived extended lives because
	of it.
	How extended?
	Well, you know, that's another thing, isn't it?
	Because how do you know that somebody could die at 50 or die at 100?
	It's impossible to say.
	They claim this.
	A claim is a claim.
	Has anybody actually looked into at what age these people passed away?
	Whether it was at least past the average or is there any way to prove that the claims have any validity at all?
	Well yeah, that's what we go through in the book.
	To actually go through and see how healthy these people are and that kind of thing.
	To be honest, the book It was out last year, it's a long time ago, and I can't remember every single detail about it.
	Well, how does all of this relate, if at all, to the Holy Grail?
	Well, you know, the original term for the Holy Grail, Kappa, K-P-A, meant mixing bowl.
	And one of the greatest etymologists that I have certainly known, Sir Walter Skeat, said That it was the term Holy Grail, Than Grail was very early falsified.
	Now he didn't say accidentally changed.
	He said falsified.
	So he's implying that somebody on purpose changed the term to mean Royal Blood or Holy Blood, which is where we get all this damn round Da Vinci Code and Holy Blood, Holy Grail stuff from.
	And he said, you know, what it really meant was mixing bowl.
	And that related entirely to the things that we were finding, not just the mixing of the venom and the blood, but also the Hindu thing known as the Kundalini, where you're probably aware of the Kundalini, where there are supposedly twin serpents that rise up your spine and converge at chakra points upon your body.
	And this is supposed to be some kind of energy which raises to, you know, the chief point in your head, in your skull.
	And what we found was that these skulls in India in particular were turned upside down and gilted and used for the drinking of blood and for the mixing of this venom blood.
	So that seems to be what became the Holy Grail, Picasso.
	The Scythian race in particular came into England with the Romans via Such likes as bringing these kind of Hindu concepts with them, and bringing various other concepts which have merged into the Arthur myth.
	And it's quite possible that this could have given us the original Holy Grail, and it's certainly possible that it's merged with pagan myths of the Cauldron, and you know, those kind of things.
	It's quite complex how it's actually got into the Arthurian legend, but it certainly all stacks up.
	Alright, well, is there any part of this that people could learn about or read and actually use?
	Or do you, having learned about it yourself, do you, for legal reasons, not relate any of this specifically?
	I mean, everybody wants to live longer, Philip.
	Yeah, sure.
	At the moment, the best thing to do is to wait for the scientists, because they are actually quite a way down the road on this.
	They have been at this a few years now, so they are getting somewhere.
	And what they're trying to do is break down the protein structure of this venom, so that they can actually get it into some sort of form that we can take, rather than actually extracting venom, because it's a very expensive and long-winded process to do that.
	So they're looking at how to manufacture it artificially.
	And I know, because I'm in touch with one of the guys, Who keeps telling me, you know, we're pretty close now, maybe in a year or two years we should be getting to the point where we'll be doing trials.
	Okay, this is all very interesting.
	Now, I would think the church would not be all that happy about this, because after all, the serpent, from a religious point of view, has always been regarded not exactly in a great way.
	Well, it's certainly been propagandized that way.
	You know, even Jesus himself was equated to a serpent.
	He was called the Good Serpent by the early Gnostics, and many of the early Gnostics were known as Ophites, Serpent Worshippers.
	And these are the early Christians.
	And Jesus was related to be, you know, it says in the Bible, it says, He shall be lifted up as the brazen serpent in the wilderness.
	And this is the brazen serpent that Moses lifted up in the wilderness to heal the people of Israel.
	They were being bitten by snakes, and God said, Raise a brazen serpent in the wilderness and tell the people to look at it.
	And so Jesus was equated to that.
	And there are many other things.
	You know, Yahweh, in the first century, Yahweh was depicted as a serpent on Roman coins.
	So, the serpent is actually a worldwide phenomenon and it's been covered up extensively.
	Victorian Christianity itself was responsible for covering up so much of the ancient serpent cults that it's just madness.
	There are said, Philip, to be secret vaults and secret areas below the Vatican where a lot of the kind of information you're talking about right now is stored and kept.
	Do you know anything about that?
	Well, only what everybody else knows.
	I really don't have anything extra to add to that.
	Not really.
	All right.
	You've written a book called Gnosis, is that correct?
	That's right, yep.
	The Secret of Solomon's Temple Revealed, can you reveal some of that here?
	Of course!
	Well, first of all, gnosis, it's a Greek word, and it's much deeper than the word knowledge.
	Most people say, oh, it means knowledge, but it actually originally means the direct mystical experience of the divine in the self, and that's quite a deep statement for one small word, and that's the English language you see.
	English language fails miserably sometimes.
	So gnosis actually is quite a deep thing.
	And so the mystical experience in the self, that in itself is a really, really deep thing.
	But how does that relate to the Temple of Solomon?
	Well, I've spoken to loads and loads of archaeologists and historians And the only ones that tell me that Solomon's Temple actually existed are the ones that are aligned to either a Christian or a Jewish base.
	Most of the independent archaeologists that I've spoken to say, well, you know, Philip, there's just no evidence to say that it was ever there.
	What's there is the Temple of Jerusalem.
	We have no idea if Solomon's Temple was ever there.
	At that period in time, there's just no evidence for it.
	And so you have to ask yourself, well, It's been written about.
	We have exact dimensions.
	We have the whole story of Solomon and Sheba and all the other things that go along with it.
	What does it really mean?
	And what it really means is exactly what the Gnostics, the early Gnostics, which came out of this stuff, which were derived from the Essene and various other sects, are talking about.
	And it's a work on the self.
	It's a method.
	of balance, and an ancient psychology, and it really is very, very deep.
	And, you know, for instance, we've got the Gnostic Gospel, the Gospel of Thomas, where Jesus says to people, for whoever does not know self does not know anything.
	But whoever knows self already has acquired knowledge about the depth of the universe.
	And that's deep, that knowledge of the depth of the universe.
	So they're talking about something extremely deep, and In the book, I basically go along and say, what they're talking about here is the enlightenment experience.
	It's the experience of the inner self, when you can call it altered state of consciousness, you can call it many other things, but it's a mystical experience, and it's an experience of total knowledge And total oneness.
	And that's what everybody who has this experience relates to.
	Well, actually, Philip, even I've had it.
	The problem with that experience, Philip, is that when you're having it, you really do feel as though you know everything.
	You feel as though you are at one with the universe.
	But then after the experience is over, you cannot At least I was unable to, and other people I've talked to also were unable to relate in any meaningful way that knowledge beyond saying, you know what, for a minute there I knew it all.
	For a minute there I was connected to the entire cosmos and I sort of understood everything, but you can't take it beyond that.
	That's right.
	That's exactly what I put in the book.
	I've interviewed so many people now who have had this experience.
	And that is exactly what comes across every single time.
	But what the ancient texts are telling us is that they developed ways of being able to sustain that point, to get more out of it.
	And that's what this book is about.
	It's about how these people did that, and how they related things to us, and why a lot of this mystical language and symbolism is the way it is.
	Because it's kind of ineffable.
	What you're saying is that I can't speak what I experienced.
	And so they put it across in various other ways, and that's what the book's about.
	Well, I'm pretty good with words, so if I actually had a conscious memory of the experience, Philip, I would absolutely be able to come up with some words to describe it other than what I did.
	You know, when I was out of my body, I once had an out-of-body experience, and during that very brief, or at least it seemed extremely brief period, because I was scared as hell and I just popped right back into my body, but during the time that I was out, Philip, I was at one with the universe.
	I knew it all.
	I knew the answer to everything.
	But honestly, Philip, I can't go beyond those words in telling you anything meaningful about that experience other than that.
	It's disappointing.
	Yeah.
	Well, you know, that's exactly what's been told to me a hundred times.
	It's exactly the same thing, you know.
	How do we know, then, Philip, that it is a real, meaningful experience at all, not just some chemical thing that happened in your brain?
	Well, exactly.
	You know, Gopi Krishna, you've obviously heard of Gopi Krishna, who says the same thing.
	He says, you know, at the end of the day, science can say that it's a biological electromagnetic reaction with inside of the head, which causes these delusional aspects.
	Well, absolutely.
	But if the process occurs, it's got to have some sort of bioelectrical process.
	The question is getting to a quantum state with this, going and talking to quantum theorists
	and saying, is this something else that can be going on here?
	Can we be doing something else?
	And what it could be, according to these quantum theorists, is that it could be quantum entanglement.
	Okay?
	That would make sense, actually.
	Actually, that would make sense.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And that's the beauty of it, because now we have a new explanation, and that's what's in the book, is the explanation that it could possibly be, here, quantum entanglement.
	And that's incredible, because that means these theoretical other dimensions that they speak about in the quantum world, you know, especially people like James Gardner, who says that, for instance, he says that intelligence is actually programming the structure of evolution.
	and has done from the start, and that that structure is sending the message back, like DNA,
	into itself. So it's kind of evolving itself all the time.
	These are scientists, this is a peer-reviewed guy, who is saying things like this.
	And quantum entanglement is where our particles entangle with other particles.
	That's right.
	And we can talk a lot more about that later on.
	Yeah, okay.
	Philip, hold tight for a moment.
	That music means we're about to take a break.
	This is all very interesting.
	First time I've ever heard anybody refer to that disconnect with consciousness as quantum entanglement.
	But one never knows, does one?
	I'm Art Bell from Manila in the Philippines.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Howdy everybody.
	No matter where you are, good to have you along for the ride.
	And this is an unusual one.
	It's a very different one for me.
	I'm more locked into the sciences, sort of hard science, and I am this sort of thing.
	But I've always been fascinated by it, these secret societies, these These unusual organizations that are said to be, I've always frankly been somewhat in doubt about them, but I guess they exist if the Venn exist and the Knights of the Temple and the rest of it.
	I've just never really looked into much of this.
	In a moment we're going to look at the Da Vinci Code, I would assume by now most of you have seen that, and ask whether Jesus and Mary really did marry with my guest Philip Gardner.
	stay right where you are.
	Alright, back now to Phillip Gardner.
	Philip, Heidi in Daytona Beach, Florida, referring to the Knights of the Temple says, isn't it possible that they staged an artificial front to fool Philip since they full well knew, you know, what his intent was from the beginning?
	Oh, anything's possible.
	They have to do it 13 times a year.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	So, again, you think it's nothing more than, as you described, a bunch of millionaires sort of helping each other out.
	Yeah, I mean, I've described it before as a quasi kind of Templars, you know?
	Yeah.
	All right, now on to The Da Vinci Code.
	I saw that.
	What was your opinion of the movie?
	Of the movie?
	I haven't seen the movie.
	Okay, the book.
	The book, I thought it was kind of a mediocre Fiction.
	Because that's what it is.
	At the end of the day, it's a fiction.
	As for the factual elements that it's supposedly based upon, I don't personally see any historical evidence for it.
	So, that's my opinion on it.
	Okay.
	And on whether Jesus and Mary really married?
	I don't actually see personally much evidence for them being The people that we are told in the Bible.
	Oh, really?
	In literal form like that, no.
	Because, like I say, Jesus is based upon so many ancient myths, including solar deities, that it's difficult for me to actually pin him down as an actual real person in all of that.
	No kidding.
	All right.
	It says in your bio, the one I read, that you're the author of Proof, Does God Exist?
	Okay, fine.
	Let's go into that a little bit.
	It sounds as though you feel as though He may not exist.
	Is that sort of where your book goes?
	Well, actually, the book, it's a fairly simple book, and all it does is outline all the evidence that everybody ever puts forward for these things, and a few other little bits.
	And then, it's not a cop-out or anything, it basically went to a jury and said, this is all the evidence that everybody gives us for God, and this is the evidence people give us against.
	Let's let the jury decide whether there's a good or not.
	And they voted.
	No.
	And how did they vote, Philip?
	Well, they voted to say that there was a God.
	That there was a God?
	Yes.
	But not the God of any particular religion.
	Not the God of any particular religion.
	All right.
	Is there any reasoning behind how they reached that conclusion?
	Well, they kind of reached it because they said, well, there must be something because we've no answer for how it all began.
	And many of them already have their own Perception that there was a kind of universal mind anyway.
	And so, you know, the feeling came back from most of them is that the name God needs changing to something else.
	But they certainly didn't see God as being a bearded guy on a cloud.
	Well, maybe not.
	But they came up with the conclusion that there is a creator, is that the way to put it?
	Well, or an intelligence, yeah.
	But I mean, you know, their answer was that something must have created it.
	And what was the compelling evidence that you feel caused them to vote that way?
	I don't know, I think it was probably an accumulation.
	They just didn't see enough evidence to say that there wasn't, really.
	You know, their underlying belief systems or whatever it was from their own backgrounds just stated that there must be something that started it.
	And whether that's because we're a being that has a beginning and an end and therefore we cannot see something that goes on forever, we cannot perceive that, I don't know.
	And then something about the most powerful society revealed, the world's most powerful society revealed, the Shining Ones.
	Who are the Shining Ones?
	Are they real or are they just a bunch of millionaires helping each other?
	Well, the Shining Ones has just been released, actually.
	It's been rewritten by me and Gary.
	And what we do is we point out this enlightenment experience, basically, the Shining, which gives us the term.
	They gave themselves the term, the Shining Ones, way back in Mesopotamia.
	So it's a very, very ancient thing, and that concept of the Enlightenment has fed forward in time into the different religions, and has been the progenitor of those religions.
	And again, that experience that we talked about a little while ago, yes?
	And so there is a very powerful society based on this.
	I've never heard of them.
	I've never heard of any group called the Shining Ones.
	Where are they?
	Well, it's in ancient times.
	That's the whole point.
	We're talking about the origin of religion.
	That's what the book is about.
	The origin of all religion, you mean?
	Well, yes.
	That may well be.
	That may well be.
	That's interesting.
	Okay.
	As I mentioned, as I came into this segment with you, Philip, I'm pretty much of a hard science guy.
	I'm not into the kind of thing that you're into so much here.
	I think the snake venom business probably has some merit.
	As a matter of fact, I'm getting a lot of fast blasts from people who say, Oh, you know, my grandfather used to take snake heads and put them in a bottle of some kind of rum or something and drink and there was some benefit to it.
	But otherwise, where are we going with all this?
	You've done a lot of writing and you've written a lot of books and what have you uncovered that's solid that you know that you can tell us?
	Apart from everything that I've already said?
	Yes.
	Well, what more do you want to know?
	I mean, you know, we've discovered that the In ancient times, there was a serpent call all over the world.
	That, to me, is... I think that's profound, because I'm not the first to discover it, but I'm the first one to actually come out and say it without any bias.
	In Victorian times, several historians actually discovered it, but unfortunately, their mouths were closed in many different ways, and so the history books that they wrote were very Christianized, so you have to be careful of what they say.
	I'm not the first, and we've got backing from many historians who say, well, yeah, they are everywhere.
	You go to Crete, you've got the Minoan serpent cult there.
	You go to Egypt and you've got this Uraeus serpent coming out of the brown, and it's worshipped all over the place, from South America to even Australia.
	So the serpent is a really, really important Yeah, absolutely.
	I think it's beyond all doubt that it's been confirmed.
	There's no doubt about that, that it's been confirmed.
	venom or serpents in general is very close now to being confirmed by modern science?
	Oh yeah, absolutely. I think it's beyond all doubt that it's been confirmed. There's no
	doubt about that, that it's been confirmed. It's just what the extent of that is. How
	long will that make you?
	How much longer will that make you live?
	Well, you know, at the end of the day, boosting your immune system stops you catching things.
	That's the point.
	You know, if you catch a disease, chances are, you know, you'll shorten your life.
	And so, boosting the immune system helps you fight off all the things which deplete the human body.
	So, actually pinning down, well, it will make you live 25 years longer, it's impossible.
	But it's the actual fact that it does boost the immune system.
	I guess you've got a DVD and a book, Secrets of the Serpent, so it's not just a book, uh, in search of the sacred past, Secrets of the Serpent, is that correct?
	Yeah, there's actually, for the notice that's just come out, there's a DVD that's come out with that as well, which is just getting rave reviews at an amazing rate from everybody, which is great, and we've got some really big American bands on there, like Multi Playground as well, playing music on it, which, and it's really come together fantastic, it really has.
	and uh... secrets of the serpent just to basically reiterate all of this to people
	and to say look go through
	all this serpent information all around the world and what it relates to
	and so there's a book and DVD of that as well yeah See ya.
	Okay.
	Have you yourself, Philip, come to the conclusion that there is no religion, you know, organized religion presently on earth that is specifically correct?
	That there probably is a God, as your jury suggested, looking at the evidence or some sort of Overall organization or intelligence behind our being, but no specific religion.
	Is that come to be your personal belief?
	You know, I don't really... Belief is a word that I really am strongly against because it means to be loved.
	So the only thing I really believe in is my wife and my kids.
	And I have opinions, though, that can alter according to evidence.
	Just like you, you know, I go to the scientist and say, what do you think?
	And so my opinion at the moment is I don't think that any of the religions that I know about on this planet are right, no.
	I don't believe that at all.
	I'm not of the opinion that any of them are correct at all, no.
	Okay, so you say you've gone to scientists, so what scientists have you gone to and what have they said?
	Well, we went to scientists for the Serpent Grail.
	A few in America.
	I can't remember the names.
	I do apologise.
	This is very late for me now.
	I've been travelling 24 hours to get to California as well.
	But I can't remember the names of the people.
	But it's all in Serpent Grail.
	All in the book, as it were.
	You've been traveling 24 hours.
	You just landed from Britain?
	No, I landed a day ago, but I really haven't caught up yet.
	Do you know what I mean?
	I'm completely jet-lagged.
	It took 24 hours.
	Trust me, as somebody who's made three fast flights across the Pacific Ocean, I know exactly what you mean.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate that.
	So, all of this also seems to boil down to the Kundalini experience, that unusual experience that none of us can seem to explain.
	You say there are some who believe that they have the ability now to explain it, who have dissected that experience and can consciously recall and put into words what that experience means and answer the questions that it provided in that instant of clarity.
	Yes.
	There are people from the past that have done so and put it in their texts as well.
	You're familiar with Eliphas Levi?
	I am not.
	Oh, right.
	A lot of people hate Eliphas Levi.
	I think a lot of the time because they can't understand what he's saying.
	And that's one of the points that he's either putting his writing in a kind of obscure language on purpose or he's putting it that way because there's no idea how else to put it.
	But He had the experience, beyond all doubt, and he said it is essentially different from real life.
	It has its scenery, its friends, its memories, and in that life one possesses without doubt faculties belonging to other forms and other worlds.
	One meets again loved beings whom one has never known on this earth.
	Those who are dead are seen alive again.
	One is carried along in the air, one walks on water, and he's going through all the different processes and one believes in oneness.
	One has huge knowledge, etc.
	And he's trying to outline all the things and all the feelings that he had whilst in that experience.
	And, you know, if there's a scientific truth behind this, if it is quantum entanglement, if that can be the thing that can explain it, then we ought to listen to what these people were saying about what they're experiencing in there.
	Because it may answer an awful lot of paranormal questions that we've got.
	Absolutely, no question about it.
	And I'm not saying that Gnosis does that, because I don't want to sell this book to people on a false premise.
	This book doesn't do that.
	This book is about the psychology behind all of this, and how it helps us as individuals to empower ourselves.
	But my question, you know, on your show is, I think that this will explain a lot of the paranormal.
	If this is quantum entanglement, and that is an amazing science, Then it will explain the other-dimensional activity, ghosts maybe, even alien visitations in an awful lot of ways.
	So, you know, I think it's a real drive that I've got right now from this moment onwards, with this new information, is to use this information to go and find out.
	Philip, have you ever had this experience yourself?
	No, I've had many ones.
	You know, I can't say to you that I have I've had this full blown out of body experience but I've had moments where I have sat there and I have just completely known and within a second it's gone and it's felt so incredibly profound that you know exactly what I mean by that.
	That's one alright.
	Yeah, you feel so profound that you just cannot say to anybody what it means.
	So the real secret then of many of these societies may be being able to understand, remember and relate what really was in that experience.
	Yep, you said it so much better than I could have.
	Well done.
	That's exactly what I've been trying to put across.
	I guess maybe I'm sort of on to what you're trying to say here, I hope.
	That's great.
	Alright, well listen, Philip, it has been great having you here.
	I think that I've got a pretty good idea of what it is that you're talking about now, and I hope you do well with your publications.
	You've got, let's see, your book, The Serpent Grail.
	Is that the latest?
	No, the latest is actually Gnosis.
	That's come out yesterday.
	Gnosis, I'm sorry.
	Yeah, Serpent Grail was out last year.
	Gnosis has just come out with the book and the DVD.
	Okay, so Gnosis would be the latest, both a book and a DVD.
	What claim would you make about it?
	If somebody goes out and buys the book and the DVD, what claim would you make?
	What understanding would they come away with?
	I think, you know, can I read you a review that was written?
	Because I think that that really explains it.
	Sure.
	This is from a Gnostic society, and, you know, to basically ask for peer pressure to actually give this to Gnostics and say, what do you think?
	Sure, go ahead.
	They said, Gnosis is a refreshing creation of true spiritual teaching, as well as being a damn good read.
	Gardener possesses that rare ability to weave history, mythology, and spiritual traditions Into writing that is both understandable and enjoyable.
	And that was exactly what I was trying to do.
	To make it understandable for ordinary people.
	Who wrote the review?
	I don't have his name, it's the Gnostics website, www.gnostics.com.
	Okay.
	Alright, well you've absolutely given me, and I think the audience, something to think about here, particularly with this quantum entanglement.
	You know, that may be exactly what it is.
	It's a point of fusion, isn't it?
	That's what we're talking about.
	Yes, and it may explain a very great deal of, as you point out, the paranormal ghosts that people see.
	Beings that sort of come and go and have the ability to do things that any normal mammal, for example, ought not do.
	Well, Bigfoot is a good example.
	They're seen and then they're not seen.
	They just suddenly disappear.
	Craft in the air that are seen and then suddenly disappear.
	All these things, Philip, that may be from elsewhere.
	Just cannot be explained in any other way.
	This may be one way to explain them.
	I wrote a book myself that tried to put all of this together.
	It never quite got to quantum entanglement, but that was a year when quantum entanglement really had not yet been discussed.
	Yeah, sure.
	So what I'm going to do is I'm going to let you rest.
	You've obviously had a very, very long time of it here trying to get adjusted.
	I know what those flights are like, Philip.
	And I'm going to thank you for being here.
	And I hope that people do go and buy your DVD and take a look at your book and see what they get out of it because it is...
	I guess it's, you know, maybe with you I ought not use the word the God experience, but that's, for lack of a better word, that's what it is, isn't it?
	Absolutely.
	I'm not saying I don't believe in God, I just don't believe in the God of the religions, you know.
	The God I perceive is a universal mind that's much, much, much different to what anybody else will perceive.
	You, I'm sure, take a lot of heat for that, don't you?
	All right, Philip.
	Thank you very, very much for being here this night.
	You have a good night, and we'll get together again someday.
	How about that?
	That would be marvelous, Art.
	Thank you very much.
	All right.
	Good night, Philip.
	Bye-bye.
	And very best to you as well.
	All right.
	We're going to take the time with the balance of the program this night, I think.
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	Hi, this is George from Foster Hill, Ohio.
	Hello, George.
	Last week you announced private findings of the ingredients of the chemtrails.
	I'm a victim of Agent Orange already.
	When I heard this, all I went through my mind was more crimes against humanity.
	Someone's got to be accountable.
	Is there anybody like Linda Howe you could have investigate this?
	I mean, these people need to be indicted.
	These people?
	And who would these people be?
	I don't know, but there's gotta be.
	Who tends to make money from this, Art?
	Making people sick.
	I imagine the whole industrial complex that we were warned about in the first place now, yeah, there were all kinds of terrible, just cancers and viruses and God, it was just metals, hard metals, heavy metals, that sort of thing.
	But you have to imagine that an awful lot of this is probably running around in our atmosphere anyway.
	I'm not saying that that would not be the specific ingredients in chemtrails, I have no idea.
	The latest story I've had on chemtrails is that people are not seeing as many of them as they once were.
	However, I would imagine if you took a sample of the air, now this was some weird kind of gel, sort of a sparkly gel if you recall that settled down on everything in this immediate area that contained this sort of thing.
	But I would bet, and this is just an idle kind of bet, that if you were to look at the ingredients on any dew-filled morning, in other words, dew that had sifted through the atmosphere, you would find all kinds of disagreeable things in it.
	Very much the way, have you ever in school taken some normal tap water and simply, or mud puddle water is even better, and put that under a microscope and taken a look?
	It'll cause you not to want to drink water for days and days and days.
	I recall that.
	I wonder if you do.
	I wonder if there's anything to that.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hi there, Art.
	Hello.
	This is Ronnie.
	I'm calling from WHP in Pennsylvania.
	Yes, ma'am.
	Do you believe in angels, Art?
	Do I believe in angels?
	I think I do.
	Well, I have four of them in my house.
	And I'm not joking.
	I can talk to these beings.
	And I asked them certain questions and I jotted the answers down.
	They told me they are from the one that guards me.
	I have one guarding my son, my husband, myself, and my pets.
	And they're from the Pleiades.
	The third star, there's three stars at the top of the Pleiades.
	Doesn't that make them aliens as opposed to angels?
	Well, they might be aliens, but they tell me they're angels.
	They say they have wings.
	They don't use any food, but they use oxygen.
	And they're from the bottom star in the constellation at the top of the Pleiades.
	And I did look at the Pleiades constellation, and I pointed to each star.
	They are as tall as a door.
	Okay, let's try this.
	What questions did you ask that they answered?
	Okay, I asked, how large are you?
	And they said, I said, are you as tall as a door?
	And my head pulled forward.
	It moved my head.
	And I asked, do you have mass and weight and form?
	And it said, yes.
	But they said, they are invisible.
	And they're from the Pleiades, and they fly at the speed of light.
	And I asked, what's the atmosphere on your star?
	And they said, it's watery and misty.
	I said, do you have grass?
	They said, no.
	I said, do you have mountains?
	They said, yes.
	I said, are your mountains made of minerals?
	And they said, yes.
	I said, crystals?
	And it really shook my head forward.
	And I said, what color are the crystals?
	And I said, are they emerald green or blue or ruby red?
	And they kept shaking my head and I said, are they the colors of the rainbow?
	And they really shook my head forward.
	I said, what color is your water up there?
	And they said, yellow.
	I said, do you have anything that lives in it?
	Finally said, do you have any mammals that live in it?
	And they said yes.
	And how long have you been talking to these angels?
	For years.
	No joke.
	They have two moons on this star, and they don't have a year as we know it.
	They have seasons, but they only have spring and summer.
	Okay, and they have described themselves as angels, or is that your conclusion?
	Well, I asked, are you an angel?
	And they said, yes.
	I said, are you an alien?
	And they said, yes.
	I said, an alien angel?
	They said, yes.
	Okay.
	I said, what are you here for?
	And they said, to help me.
	And have they really done that?
	Yes.
	They find things for me.
	They guide me.
	If I'm lost, I can't get lost.
	Okay, well you can't beat that.
	Thank you very, very, very much for the call.
	And that does bring up something kind of interesting.
	What, to us, would be the difference between an angel and an alien?
	Not very much, really, if you consider it.
	An angel and an alien, both would appear to us as magic.
	Or as, what's the right word?
	Ethereal beings of some sort.
	And I don't know that as humans, with no frame of reference whatsoever, that we would have the ability to delineate between an angel and an alien.
	Particularly when they said, in essence, that they were both.
	Right?
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi there, Art, this evening.
	I'm all right, sir.
	All right, Art, I wanted to make a comment in regards to the gentleman that you just had on.
	Philip Gardner, yes.
	That was speaking about his alleged encounter with religion and religious groups.
	I'm angry over the fact that he denies the fact that the Sacred Heart of Jesus Christ was a real person on this planet, and I want your listeners to know that I and probably many others on this planet
	have had the opportunity in our lifetime to have visitations from angelic forces
	like the woman that we're just speaking but I was very fortunate in 1990 and I had a visitation
	from the sacred heart of Jesus Christ
	Alright, but listen, be fair to Philip He didn't deny it.
	He said it is his point of view, based on what he studied, that Jesus was not a real person as described in the Bible.
	I think that's pretty much what he said.
	He didn't deny it for all of us, sir.
	He just said that's his conclusion.
	Art, there are a lot of darksiders that are on the planet at this particular period of time, and this time That man is existing in is a very important time because it's this generation that's going to see the second coming.
	So you have people like that coming on the air.
	Well, why do you believe that, as a matter of interest?
	What, in the second coming?
	That we will, this generation, will get to see the second coming.
	How can you know that?
	No man is to know, right?
	Number one, like I said, I had a visitation from the Sacred Heart of Jesus Christ in 1990.
	I was told that this was the generation that was coming.
	The Blessed Virgin Mary that has been appearing in Medjugorje, Herzegovina, for the last 25 years, just in the last two and a half months, have given messages to the world saying that her son is about to return and this is the generation that will see him.
	And out of 25 years, she's never made that statement before.
	I am here to tell you and your listeners that the Son of God exists, that God exists, the Sacred Heart of Jesus Christ exists, and the Holy Spirit exists.
	And what the Son of God told me, that He wanted me to tell the world, is that He says, do not be unprepared when I come.
	And He is coming soon, and He said that in my Father's house there are many mansions, and I'm going to prepare a place for a prepared people in one of those mansions.
	And I tell you, Art, The Son of God exists, and He comes this time as the Lion.
	with the authority from the Father to avenge the spilling of his blood, and people should not believe the story that this gentleman was saying.
	Now, I've seen... Alright, Spencer, I'm going to have to hold it there, but I appreciate your call, and I'm kind of with you on a number of counts.
	Number one, I tend to believe that, and I've done an awful lot of studying myself, I tend to believe that Jesus was, in fact, a real being.
	In fact, walked on earth as described.
	I do believe that.
	However, I have some questions about this fiery judgment.
	How can I put this?
	I guess I can only use my own frame of reference.
	When we're young, we're kind of stupid.
	Wisdom comes with age.
	It really does come with age.
	And I wonder how a God, coming back with that kind of fiery judgment that he talked about, could judge an 18-year-old, a 20-year-old, a 25-year-old the same way he could judge a 50-year-old or a 60-year-old.
	Somebody who had been around long enough to begin to collect some wisdom and straighten out their life.
	Many people are not given the opportunity to do that.
	So there could not be a single frame of reference for a judgment of the kind he talked about.
	Or maybe there could.
	I'm not that God-like, so I don't really know.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	Yes, hello.
	How you doing?
	I'm doing okay, sir.
	That's good.
	I thought I'd call in since it's open line and see what you thought about the walk-in experience.
	The walk-in experience, is that correct?
	The walk-in experience.
	Okay, well, you tell me what you think.
	Okay, walk-in experience is When you have a very traumatic experience in your life, and you basically have a near-death experience, and then when you come to, you're a totally different person, you know, you have a totally different life experience from that point on.
	Yeah.
	No, it's interesting.
	I guess my question about that has always been, and is now, let's say you have the fortunate people who have had NDEs, as you mentioned.
	When you have a near-death experience, you frequently have a life, a complete life review.
	And as you point out, people coming out of that are frequently completely different people.
	They are suddenly They're looking at their own life.
	They're suddenly contemplating God and contemplating doing the righteous thing.
	And here's what I've always wondered about, sir.
	It's what about all the millions of people who are not given this opportunity for life review and for changing their life for the better?
	What about all of those people?
	They're in the majority, right?
	Not particularly.
	Yes, they are.
	Talk about life experience.
	The experiences are totally different like you've lived before, okay?
	And you assume through agreement to change places with someone and from that experience forward, you realize who you are and who you have been in the past life.
	Well, you're losing me a little bit now.
	You said NDE.
	Now, more people than not have not had NDEs.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, that's what I would term it so that you understand what I'm talking about.
	But it's not the known accepted experience of an NDE.
	Okay, I'm still not quite following, I guess, what you're saying.
	If you have an NDE, frequently, as I mentioned, you have a full life review and you have an opportunity to change your life for the better.
	Now, you're definitely in the minority, right?
	You're not in the majority.
	Very few people come back from NDEs.
	Well, few people, first of all, have NDEs, so they have that opportunity to correct their life.
	The majority of people don't have that chance.
	Fulfilling what you were in a past life.
	Reincarnation.
	Life for you, yes it is.
	But it's a review of the past life that you lived.
	You understand?
	Yes, I do.
	I understand the concept, sir, of reincarnation.
	Okay, yeah.
	But again, let me hit this again.
	I firmly understand the concept of reincarnation.
	That is to say that in lifetime after lifetime, and this was apparently once in the Bible, into the Council of Nicaea, right?
	We are given the opportunity to move toward perfection when in essence we are then told we graduate and we no longer have to come back as mortal beings.
	That's the way I've always heard it.
	What has bothered me about the concept is that without the opportunity to consciously recall what we have experienced in a previous life, How is it to benefit us?
	In what way are we benefited by past lives that we cannot remember?
	In what way are we to correct our lives?
	I hope you all are following me.
	I've always wondered about this.
	I don't deny that it might be possible, but it would take some extraordinary means to understand what we had done in a previous life and therefore correct it.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Yes, hello.
	My name is Chris, and I'm calling from Sonoma.
	Can you hear me?
	I hear you fine, Chris.
	I've had the Kundalini up in my body for about 16 years now, and I can tell you from a very different vantage point than Philip how it feels and what happens consistently all the time.
	By all means.
	At the initial activation point, it'll start in the tailbone And that tailbone will start to pulse, or it will start to collect a lot of heat.
	As the heat builds, pressure will build, and at a certain point, the Kundalini will sweep up the spine, go up to the top of the head, expand at the top of the head, and sometimes come down to the brow points, which would be right between the eyebrows.
	What this is, is It's a tremendous experience.
	It's much, much more than an out-of-body experience.
	It amplifies every part of the human nature.
	It'll amplify your fears, it'll amplify your loves, it'll amplify the errors that you're making in life.
	And the other caller that called up regarding Jesus.
	When you have this experience, the veil that separates the realities is somewhat thinned, somewhat lifted.
	I do teach the kundalini.
	I've been able to awaken kundalini in other people using certain practices.
	Okay, let me ask you a question, Chris.
	If you've had that experience, the difficulty that I had with it, Chris, was that while I can apply certain words to it, like all-knowing and this incredible, joyous experience, I can't answer any specific questions Any universal questions that none of us are really able to deal with here on earth, you know, about God or about our creation or about, you know, all these big questions that we all want to know about.
	If I knew them in that instant, Chris, I don't know them now, do you?
	Ask a question.
	Alright.
	Was the Big Bang, as science describes it, something that came from the hand of God?
	The Big Bang didn't occur as science describes it.
	What occurred is science has come to a point Listen to me, Chris.
	Hold on.
	Hold on during the break.
	I'm going to bring you back.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Fear of the Reaper.
	Maybe that's it.
	Randy in Pittsburgh, California.
	Fast blast me the following.
	Hey, Art.
	If we were able to remember all of our past lives, that would mean that we'd remember all of our past deaths as well.
	That alone is a good enough reason for us not to remember every detail.
	That's what the subconscious is for.
	Good thinking, Randy.
	That may be the answer, indeed, to reincarnation and why we don't remember.
	We're back in a moment.
	All right, this experience that we've been talking about, Kundalini NDE, whether it's
	an out-of-body experience, whatever it is, this all-knowing, joyous, incredible experience
	that we can describe, pretty much all of us in that way, but then never in any detail
	to answer questions.
	Chris, who was my caller, says he can answer questions, and so I popped the big one at him.
	What about the Big Bang?
	Was the hand of God involved in the Big Bang?
	Chris?
	Am I coming through?
	You are.
	Okay, good.
	Yeah.
	First of all, Art, I'd like to, uh, if I may mention a website for more information for people.
	No, I can't let you do that, Chris.
	I can't let you do that because in the past I've done that and you know, it's turned out to be some sort of a girly website or something like that.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	But I understand your safety.
	There's another and there's besides, I'll answer the big bang question, but there's also public safety issues.
	around the Kundalini that if we could also go into just briefly.
	Well, let's start with the Big Bang.
	Okay.
	The deal is that, no, yes, yes, the all that is God did create the universe.
	It wasn't as science understands it to be.
	Science in our society is still a very, very, very young format for understanding our universe.
	Okay, and it's also, over the years, it's become much more narrowed in its scope and in its willingness to understand differing viewpoints.
	I can tell you that the physical universe was, yes, it was created by the All That Is that God, or God, however you choose to see it.
	It was not based on a Big Bang or an ever-expanding model.
	Okay.
	Alright, alright.
	Let's jump over to public safety issues.
	Very good, very good.
	Okay, with the Kundalini, it can be triggered by a lot of different things.
	Extensive drug use can trigger it.
	Yoga, breathing, yoga posturing can trigger it.
	Extreme trauma to the lower part of the body, the tailbone, the lower spine, like a comminuted fracture of the spine can trigger it.
	extreme moments of emotional depression can trigger it.
	And what will typically happen is as the energy comes up, it goes right up the spine and it invigorates
	or infuses specific areas along the spine.
	You've heard of a chakra?
	I certainly have.
	All right, Chris, you know, but what you're describing there sounds an awful lot like a chemical experience of some sort.
	In other words, your body... What I'm saying is a chemical experience can also trigger it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Okay, there are multiple triggering platforms for the Kundalini.
	Okay?
	What you're describing in your out-of-body experience sensations is The type of activation to awakening that occurs when a person does it on purpose.
	Okay?
	And yes, as the energy comes up and it flowers at the top of the seventh chakra, you become at one with everything.
	You become at one with the all that is.
	You become at one with God.
	If you're a follower of Christianity, you will see Christ.
	And Christ does exist.
	If you're a follower of Buddhism, you'll see Buddham, or Allah, you'll see Allah.
	All these religious figures do exist.
	Oh, okay, they do exist.
	And you will be drawn to them.
	Okay, so that does happen.
	It doesn't happen 24-7.
	It happens on the initial activation point, when the energy reaches the top of your head at the fontanelle, okay, it expands, and it feels like there's Electricity running through the first dermal layer of your skin.
	It feels like electric insects that are just swirling around your head.
	Your body is engulfed in a huge wave of tingles.
	Yeah, that's a perfect description, Chris.
	That's exactly what I experienced.
	Well, people who have out-of-body experiences are prone to having a kundalini experience if they choose to pursue it.
	When I When I teach, you know, I encourage people to have out-of-body experiences and there are certain techniques that you can use to get yourself out of body as well.
	But with the Kundalini and public safety issues, if you're doing drugs or if you're experimenting with the Kundalini and not knowing what you're doing, you can really, really get yourself in a lot of trouble very quickly.
	Chris, I wonder how many head-on collisions have been the result of Kundalini experiences?
	Well, I've been able to put it down to percentages, to numbers, Art.
	30% of the population that will have a Kundalini awakening and not know what it is will almost certainly commit suicide because they cannot reconcile the experiences they're having in their daily consciousness.
	They just can't reconcile it.
	It just doesn't work when you're seeing Angels, or you're seeing demons, or you're seeing things that are a mixture of both.
	They can't handle it.
	The other 33%, I'm sorry, 33, 33, and 33.
	The second tier will know that something is wrong and they'll immediately self-admit to a hospital.
	The hospital will take them into a psychiatric ward and feed them the largest tranquilizer they can have.
	I'm sure.
	And that typically what that will do is that will just distort the Kundalini in a way that it's extremely damaging, but it at least takes them off the street.
	Okay?
	The third tier will understand, well they may not understand what's going on, but they'll explore it, they'll look into it, they'll go to yoga, they'll go to a religion, they'll go to books.
	When it came up for me, there was nothing.
	The website or internet had just started, so I didn't really have a lot of... I had some really bad experiences with it at first before I could figure out how to work with it, surrender to it.
	In line with the public safety issue, I need to warn people who feel like they're having a Kundalini experience, they're having extreme headaches, their body is feeling very hot, Or very cold.
	Alternatively, keep the tongue, the tip of the tongue behind the mound of flesh right behind your upper front teeth.
	This will connect the cranial circuit and allow Well, listen Chris, I've got to scoot.
	This has been extremely informative.
	of your neck. Kind of like a connection point, okay.
	Exactly. All right, well listen, Chris, I've got to scoot. This has been extremely informative. I
	really, really appreciate your call and you described right down to the very last bit
	exactly what I experienced.
	Those of you who have never had this experience, as I said earlier, I really can't, other than the words that he used to describe the feeling involved with it, I can't go beyond that.
	I can't tell you that I learned any universal truths that I can bring back and And tell you, like, yes, it was a hand of God, not a science set, or something like that.
	I did not come back with any of that, but I did come back.
	This experience occurred to me in Paris when I was on vacation many years ago, and I simply had a very instantaneous, unbeckoned, out-of-body experience.
	And all of that was true, and all of what I'm telling you now is true as well.
	So, he's certainly on to something there.
	That was a very, very interesting call.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	No, I'm sorry, a wildcard line.
	Hello, my name's Colin, and yes, I'm a first-time caller on the wildcard line, and first of all, Art, you're my hero.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	Sure.
	About one of your callers that you had on before, you mentioned something about Medjugorje, and I happen to know a little bit about it because my mom's a fanatic about it.
	And it just so happens that one of the Catholic bishops in that area has recently said that he believes it's all false.
	And, you know, none of it's approved by the Pope, as it is, and so I just wanted to mention that.
	Now, about my question, it's actually kind of a comment, but I want to supplement it with your opinion.
	I'm a 22-year-old, and, you know, I used to be very religious.
	At one point, I was in a Catholic seminary, and, you know, now I'm having trouble, and I find myself, you know, I'm not doubting God, but I'm very much sharing the sentiments of your guest you had on tonight about religion.
	And just kind of feeling that, you know, these human religions are not, they're not for me.
	And I, when he said it, I was just, you know, I felt a lot there.
	And, and then I see, you know, what these Muslims are doing with suicide bombings.
	And that's very... How many, how many, how many religions have you actually investigated?
	Well, I've studied the five major world religions that I, you know, in high school.
	But I've just been, and I see the ones like, like Buddhism, it was so peaceful, you know, A little bit of Taoism, you know, I want to know more about them, but it's kind of difficult in America, and so it's all just really discouraging to me, and I guess, you know, I feel like the Internet's helping, you know, I do a lot of research on there, it's like it's connecting all this human thought that's, you know, never been connected before, and it's so revolutionary, and I think that's helping with, you know, us learning, but it's like humanity is maturing,
	And we're realizing so much about what these things that we've thought are not necessarily right.
	Well, you said you were having a lot of trouble.
	What kind of trouble?
	Well, just with religion.
	Only with religion?
	I mean, what made you suddenly go from studying religion, possibly even being part of it, to having trouble?
	There must have been something in your life that happened.
	Well, no.
	At the seminary there was a separate thing that happened with the Catholic Church.
	I can tell you that the scandal did not Did not surprise me one bit.
	Well, I'm going to hold it there.
	So something obviously that was disturbing to him that shouldn't have happened in the seminary occurred.
	Well, something like that, or as most of you know I think some time ago, I lost my wife.
	And there's a moment where you're tempted to be angry with God for something like that, but in the end it didn't turn out that way for me.
	I guess it could have.
	But I didn't get angry at God because I don't know His ways and I don't know what's meant to be and what is not meant to be and what God has done.
	Where God really does have his hand involved, and I loosely use the name God, I was just in China where Buddhism and Taoism are the two major religions.
	It was very interesting.
	Our guide, the guide who's taking us around Hong Kong, said that during the week he's a Buddhist and during the weekend he's a Taoist.
	For those of you familiar with the religion, you might get a kick out of that.
	Let's go to the international line and say hello there.
	You're on the air.
	Hey, Art.
	How's it going?
	Very well, sir.
	Welcome.
	Very good.
	Now, my experience, I've had an experience a couple weeks.
	It wasn't an out-of-body experience, but I don't know how to exactly explain it.
	Maybe it was a devil or an evil spirit that I saw, but I was sleeping in bed with my girlfriend, All of a sudden I had this feeling where I couldn't breathe and I opened my eyes and I was being choked.
	I felt like I was being choked and there was a woman in my room physically choking me, sitting on my chest.
	And I couldn't breathe, and I didn't know what to do.
	And this experience, it's been about a week and a half, almost two weeks now since the experience, and I can't sleep at night.
	I don't know what to do.
	What happened?
	I mean, obviously your girlfriend was there while this choking thing was going on.
	Did she wake up and notice?
	I was physically being choked and I thought it was over for me, Art.
	I understand.
	I'm asking you whether your girlfriend sleeping next to you noticed all this commotion.
	She didn't notice till after.
	After I thought I was gonna die.
	I thought I was gonna die that night, Art.
	I was feeling so... this feeling of panic came over me and I just kind of let go and right then It was gone, and I let out a scream, a scream, a yell, and my girlfriend woke up, and she was laying next to me, and she was like, what's wrong?
	Trying to console me at the time, and she turned on the lights, and I had physical, like, grab marks on my neck.
	I don't know exactly how, they weren't like fingerprints, but they were like, like, I don't know, some marks on my neck, but something was actually choking me, or pressing against my neck hard.
	And my girlfriend is really freaked out, too.
	She didn't know what was going on.
	She thought I was having a bad dream, but this was no dream, Art.
	Listen, buddy, I'm with you.
	Had that happened to me, I would have no idea what to do.
	What would bother me?
	I mean, we would all attribute something like that to a bad dream.
	Until, perhaps, we looked in the mirror and saw the choke marks.
	Then what?
	Then what do you think?
	I have no idea.
	I have no idea at all.
	But I would share with you the difficulty in sleeping after that.
	No question about it.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	How are you doing?
	I'm doing fine, sir.
	This is Ray in Milwaukee.
	I wanted to discuss what you were talking about with your guest about the moment of enlightenment and then afterwards you don't know all the answers.
	That's right.
	I think it has to do with the amount of physical pain we are experiencing.
	I have a very bad back from a number of on-the-job accidents and it's the distraction between
	the physical and the mental I do believe.
	But at the same time, you can sit down and ask yourself a question and then just imagine
	and whatever you imagine is the answer.
	Whatever you imagine is the answer.
	Right.
	Okay, well that may be and thinking back on it, I was so surprised when it happened to
	me and I was so shocked and I was so completely asking a question would have been the furthest
	thing from my mind.
	But I was in this place where, gee, as I explained, it's so inadequate.
	The words are so inadequate.
	During that instant, I knew it all.
	I had access to every bit of information that's available on the face of the earth and even beyond.
	I just knew it all.
	I was in this wondrous place, this magical place, this joyous place, and I just don't have words that go beyond that.
	But I do recall I did not consciously ask a question.
	In fact, I was so scared.
	No, that's not the right word.
	I was so shocked that I just returned to my body right away.
	There are others who have ventured forth beyond that.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Is this me?
	That's you.
	Oh, great.
	How are you doing?
	Good.
	You know, your guest was hitting on something that I've dealt with pretty much all my life.
	And that is that, from my perspective, he was dealing with the fact that we live in a system, in a society, in a world, where we're constantly in conflict and aggression.
	And I've noticed that even on your show, and you mentioned it tonight, and on Mr. Norrie's show also, he has mentioned it, that we are a warrior species.
	We absolutely are.
	Well, you know, in the system and society that we are in, it teaches us to be a warrior species.
	But I don't believe, from my studies and from my, the knowledge that I have of the past, And certainly from the information that is coming in now, there is a lot of evidence to show that the anti-Diluvian world was not a warring world.
	People got along with each other.
	But one of the points I wanted to make was that because of capitalism, and I have to hit on capitalism, because capitalism exists.
	Capitalism exists for aggression and conflict.
	Because we live in a world of aggression and conflict... Oh, sir, that's rubbish.
	Capitalism doesn't mean aggression and conflict.
	It means competition.
	There's a difference.
	Well, okay.
	From your perspective, there's a difference.
	From my perspective, capitalism means aggression and conflict, especially if you live on the top.
	We call the top, you know, people with a lot of money or corporations with a lot of money or we call it the government.
	Okay, I've got it.
	Listen, I'm at a break point.
	Hold tight.
	I'll bring you back.
	This is Coast to Coast AM from Manila, the Philippines.
	Indeed.
	Capitalism?
	Aggression?
	Conflict?
	Inherently evil?
	No.
	It's competition.
	It has elements, I suppose.
	Aggression and perhaps conflict, though it doesn't have to be there.
	Certainly aggression is part of it.
	But capitalism is not inherently evil.
	Remember there's that free will is a bitch thing, right?
	We'll be right back.
	So Kenny, it's not the economic system that's at fault here or producing all that behavior.
	It's just that capitalism is just simply a big playground where free will has its way.
	Well, I disagree, but that's not the point that I wanted to make.
	I don't want to get into that now because I'm not a guest and we can't spend hours on this or whatever.
	The point I wanted to make was We're talking about astral projecting and we're talking about enlightenment and things like that.
	To have enlightenment, to have astral projection, in this society we don't see it as something that we deal with every day.
	We don't deal with it as being something that happens every day.
	It's not an experience that people are used to.
	But if we lived in a world That was at peace, that had the concepts and philosophies of peace, and I believe that to have peace in this world, you have to have a system that lives for peace, with the concepts and philosophies of peace.
	Describe one of them.
	Where on the world do we have one of those?
	I'm not saying that we do.
	What I'm saying is, to have peace, to have peace in the world, you have to have a system Where you have to have the concepts and philosophies that are based upon peace.
	Well, you mentioned capitalism, so I, you know, it sounded like you were talking about an economic system.
	Well, what I'm doing is, what I'm saying is, if we lived in a world that had peace, perhaps we would live in a world where astral projecting and gaining enlightenment were something that we would normally deal with.
	And we should learn how to deal with it as an everyday experience.
	Okay, I follow you there.
	It's just you threw me off of the slam on capitalism, that's all.
	It seemed like you were referring to an economic system.
	So there really is no system presently on Earth that is as you say, and I don't know that that's part of the human experience right now.
	So, gosh, I don't know.
	Let's go to Maryland and Michael.
	Michael, hello.
	Hey Art, how's it going?
	I called last week, but you cut me off before I could ask my question.
	So here I am.
	Okay, what was your question?
	I was just wondering why you're deciding to give up smoking after all these years.
	Because, you know, I've been smoking since I was four and feel great, man.
	Now, wait a minute.
	Wait a minute.
	You've been smoking since you were four?
	Yes, sir.
	Me and my bud, we used to steal our parents' pipes and cigars and, you know, go run around the creek and smoke that nasty cherry pipe tobacco or some cheap, you know, drugstore cigars.
	But nowadays, I'm just on the pipe only and feeling pretty darn good.
	Yeah, somehow I see you crawling across the rug as a rug rat with a pipe in your mouth.
	Now, come on.
	So anyway, sir, I was just hoping you could, you know, just shed some light for everyone.
	You know what I mean?
	Well, pretty much because it's a nasty rotten habit, and I have it, and it's real hard to kick, and I'm trying, and... You know, Art, you know, could I give you a piece of advice?
	I mean, just real quick.
	You may, yes.
	I would recommend checking out some pipe tobaccos, specifically ones that have high oriental blend content in them.
	And even if you just hand roll your cigarettes, and I'm being straight up with you, Art, you have one of those a day, and your nicotine kick is satisfied for two days, and I'm not lying to you.
	So I would recommend checking it out.
	I mean, it might help you quit.
	Who knows?
	Well, I do have access to oriental stuff, so we'll see.
	Yeah, I mean, you know, just best of luck with whatever you're doing.
	I hope you don't, you know, give it another go is what I would recommend.
	All right, thank you.
	Well, you have to keep doing it.
	A lot of people who have successfully quit smoking have had to try several times.
	As I've mentioned, I've cut down to about a tenth of what I was smoking in one place.
	That I'm having the most difficulty quitting is right here on the air.
	I connect, smoking bone and the radio bone are absolutely totally connected.
	I mean absolutely totally.
	I've got nicotine gum much as I can screw it up over here for those times when I'm not on the air.
	But when I'm on the air, radio and smoking are just, I can't tell you how connected they are.
	Let's go here and say you're on the air coast to coast AM with Art Bell and you're in Manhattan I think.
	Yeah, hi.
	Hi, Mr. Bell.
	I was wondering, like, I listen to your show, but not every day.
	I was wondering about global warming and the Sun and our planets.
	Like, I know Jupiter, since 2002, has had a little red spot, which is a tornado, which is caused by heating.
	So, therefore, something is going on with Jupiter.
	And then I think they found something on Uranus.
	And I was wondering if you could get a planetary scientist to talk about this and Find out if there's a correlation.
	It's like the whole solar system heating up.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Actually, if you listen carefully to Richard C. Hoagland, he's the one who really, I think, has a handle on the warming that's going on, not just on this planet.
	But on all the planets.
	And he's suggesting that that warming is not an exterior influence, i.e.
	not the sun, but it's something that's coming from inside the planets themselves.
	And I don't totally dismiss that theory at all.
	Could well be.
	Let's move east of the Rockies to Betty.
	Hello, Betty.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Good to talk to you.
	Your caller who had the experience when he was in bed and was being choked, that's actually quite a common experience.
	It's called Hague Syndrome.
	The old hag, yes.
	Yeah, the hag.
	And it's a very ancient experience, been happening throughout history.
	And one source I have cites about 15% of the population is affected by it.
	Well, I sure as heck wouldn't be sleeping real well after that either.
	Okay, well, if he asks for spiritual protection, he should be okay.
	And what it is, is thought forms.
	I didn't have the opportunity to ask him that, but I'll go ahead and dispense your advice.
	Ask for spiritual help, sir, and have a good night's sleep.
	occult. So if he's done that or knows someone who practices occult, practice it with them.
	I didn't have the opportunity to ask him that, but I'll go ahead and dispense your advice.
	Ask for spiritual help, sir, and have a good night's sleep.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Yes.
	This is Bill and me.
	Yes Bill.
	Yeah, I was just wondering.
	I'm a big NFL fan and I was wondering if you can watch the NFL over there and if you watch it on high def.
	Oh Bill, the answer is yes!
	Wait a minute, not to the latter part of your question.
	High Definition has not made it over here yet.
	Really?
	I do have a Plasma TV and they're telling me that in the next two years High Definition will make it here.
	Not yet.
	We get to see NFL games the day after they've happened.
	So I try and avoid scores.
	Don't give me one please.
	No, I won't.
	That's cool.
	That is so cool.
	So do you get all of them or is it just certain games?
	No, we just get certain games.
	It's not like the U.S.
	where you can buy a season ticket and get all the NFL.
	So it's not like that.
	But we get the best.
	You know, I think what they do is they look for what the best games over the weekend were and we get those.
	Awesome.
	That is so cool.
	All right.
	That's all I wanted to ask.
	Okay, bud.
	Thanks for the call.
	I appreciate it.
	And take care.
	Let's see.
	I've got a little screen here that tells me who's been waiting the longest.
	So let's go to the international line and say, hello, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Oh, hi.
	Good afternoon, Art.
	How are you?
	I'm fine.
	Where are you?
	I am in Canada, Toronto.
	Toronto, okay.
	Yeah.
	I rang to let you know that the reasons that people do not No, how to make decisions.
	It's because of the fact that many times society has to be responsible since they're in charge and they're supposed to be making all the decisions for these people.
	They are making the decisions and these people do not have the opportunity to make the decisions for themselves.
	Give me an example of what you're talking about.
	You go to a simple thing as a dentist's office.
	And you do not have the opportunity to be able to interview the dentist, for instance.
	And many times you're getting people who are not qualified in dealing with human beings.
	They're skillful in their art, but do not know how to treat people.
	They feel that you must play games with them, and if you do not play games with them and you're straightforward, then you find that a needle is running into your arm in a way in which you know very well that there's a problem.
	That's an interesting example.
	These are the things that have been taking place in this society, and people have to take responsibility.
	When society sets up systems with situations that causes people to get the wrong kind of effect, when you have sleazy pictures hanging all over the place, when you have computers where you have to get into the net and you find that all you can see is the worst pornographic films you can find anywhere.
	These are the things that are causing people to behave irresponsibly.
	Having access to these things on the net.
	Children are going into stores and they're seeing naked people.
	Do you think the Internet is evil?
	The Internet is not really evil.
	What is evil is the people that are putting the things on the Internet.
	That's fair enough.
	But I mean, after all, you are pretty much in control of your own computer.
	So if you don't call up some nasty pictures, you usually don't get nasty pictures.
	Actually, many times you can fall into it without wanting to.
	Well, it can happen.
	Yes, you can.
	I am very ignorant of the net.
	I'll tell you this straight out.
	Why?
	Because I do not go regularly.
	I personally do not go.
	I prefer my daughter to go.
	So what I do is I ask her to go on the net.
	She is just confused about what she's seeing on the net.
	She's shown me different things that are taking place on the net.
	And from what I saw, I am very disappointed that little children are going into the net and the same way my family falls into these places.
	I agree with you there.
	How old is your daughter?
	into these places because they are really they are trying to have some fun
	and they're going and trying different things and then finding themselves into
	situations they should not be a part of. Okay, well you know I agree with you there.
	I mean how old is your daughter? Well she's an adult right now and she has
	been going through a great deal in our society with this the rest of my family
	because of these same things that has been happening. It's not just in the
	systems alone or outside in the public. The people have really gone to the deep
	A lot of them need a lot of help.
	When you do not train children and when the children become adults without being trained, they have bad thoughts.
	They have situations that they cannot deal with.
	They do not know how to confront situations.
	They do not know how to deal with people.
	Many of them are running and playing games with you, right, in public.
	They run after your husband.
	They run after you.
	I mean, it's like a free-for-all.
	Everybody's playing.
	Let's see who can go to bed with whom.
	Well, yeah.
	Look, America is based on pretty much a free-for-all.
	Now, the place where I draw that line is with children.
	Now, she said her daughter was an adult.
	Now, if she's an adult and she's at all familiar, really, with the net, for the most part, you can avoid That which you don't want to see.
	Not entirely, yes, she's right.
	Occasionally things pop up that you don't want popping up.
	There's no question about it.
	It happens on the net.
	But pretty much, you will be, let's see, what's the way to put it?
	You will be the recipient of that which you seek.
	Not always, but for the most part.
	Let's go to Florida and Diane.
	Hello, Diane.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I've had three different experiences of Kundalini rising.
	One was under the tutelage of somebody that didn't know what he was doing, in my opinion, and one that was a spontaneous one that was very quiet, and another very happy one.
	I've had things going on for years happening to the body that no medical thing explained, and I had lots of questions.
	And I get the books mostly from India on the subject.
	I've had some good ones and some bad ones.
	And it's an ongoing process.
	Well, if it's ongoing, that must mean you want it to be, so you're enjoying the experience, right?
	At times, yes.
	The most dramatic one I had that was, let's call it textbook symptomatic.
	I, it messed my hormones up so that I, it was related to change of life and other things and I ended up in the hospital getting a pint of blood.
	Oh my God!
	I didn't think that something like that could cause that kind of physical reaction.
	Oh yeah, because of the organs in the body associated with the chakras.
	You know, you get an old car And you work on it, and you get all the cylinders going, and you know how it purrs and everything, and you're very happy.
	Well, when all these chakras get to purring, you're there.
	But to keep them in line, keep them all working, that's the gold.
	I see.
	So you can throw a chakra, like a rod.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	I've got it, I guess.
	I never heard of a physical reaction of that sort, but I guess you can have it.
	Let's stay in Florida with Jack.
	Jack, hello.
	Hello.
	I'd like to share an experience that I was blessed to have back in 1972 when my spiritual teacher Kirpal Singh came to America.
	I was in an audience of about 800 people in Fort Lauderdale in a hotel.
	He came onto the stage.
	He looked right at me.
	Thin beams of light left his eyes and entered mine.
	Then the next thing that happened was my spirit started to leave my body.
	It was half out of my body, half in.
	I went into a mild ecstasy.
	And then something opened in my chest, and I felt liquid love flow throughout my body.
	And it was an infinite power of love.
	And whoever I looked at, or whatever I looked at, I loved totally, with every fiber of my being.
	I looked at a woman that I normally hated, because she'd been very vicious to my mother, and I loved her completely, with every fiber of my being.
	So you belong in the world that that guy was looking for a little while ago, that was complaining about capitalism.
	What about that?
	Well, he was looking for this perfect world where there was no aggression, no conflict.
	It was a world in which none of us live at the moment.
	Yes.
	But what I'm talking about is the spiritual potential that we each have.
	That's why I wanted to share this experience.
	Yeah, I think we probably do each have the potential to experience it for at least a short time, but it's nothing that really lasts.
	It's an experience... I guess it did change me in ways, but I don't think, for example, it would cause me to abandon capitalism.
	And there have been people who have done that.
	People who have abandoned everything.
	I mean, they had an experience and they just throw everything away.
	Everything concrete and real in their life and go off and join something or another.
	You know, in other words, it changes them to that degree.
	How about Andy on the first time caller line?
	Let's try that.
	Andy, you're on.
	How are you doing?
	I'm doing great.
	You've talked about this several times on your programs, Margellan's disease.
	Oh yes.
	I'm calling from Canada.
	Toronto, actually.
	And I know you were saying it's in the southern parts of the United States.
	Well, you know, I do, I believe I do have it.
	I go to doctors and they all think I'm crazy, you know.
	Well, do you have these fibers that I described?
	I'm a professional.
	I'm an aircraft engineer and I do.
	I'm a picky guy, you know, inspections and stuff like this.
	My eyes are really good, you know?
	And I do have microscopes and stuff like this.
	I have specimens.
	And still they think I'm crazy.
	What the hell do I do?
	Well, perhaps the doctors in Canada are not all that experienced with this disease and you need to go to somebody who knows about it.
	Well, next Monday, like I said, finally I got a specialist appointment.
	next month to give him. I've been waiting for two months for this guy.
	In a disease clinic down at the main hospital in Toronto.
	But even him, he wasn't really interested in it, you know?
	I would think any doctor would be fascinated with something that could not be diagnosed.
	I would.
	Yeah, you would think so.
	So what the hell do we do?
	What do we do here in a situation like this?
	I think what you do is exactly what you're doing.
	You go to a specialist and if that doesn't satisfy you, then you probably travel to the United States and you find a doctor who has dealt with this disease.
	And knows something about it.
	Beyond that, I'm afraid I can't help you, particularly because we're out of time.
	But the open lines really have been a blast.
	Listen, I'm Art Bell at AOL.com or I'm Art Bell at MindSpring.com.
	I would love to hear from any and all of you.
	In fact, I depend on you for many of the stories that I use here on the air.
	So if you have an opportunity to fire me an email again, I'm Art Bell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L at MindSpring.com.
	With that, it has been a terrific weekend.

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